1 00:00:05,400 --> 00:00:09,359 Speaker 1: Hi, this is Christina and Carman and this is another 2 00:00:09,400 --> 00:00:14,400 episode of his Spooky Tales, a podcast for all things spooky, hunting, places, myths, legends, 3 00:00:14,480 --> 00:00:19,039 true crime in Latin America. But today today is a 4 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:21,719 very serious episode. You know, once in a while, we 5 00:00:21,719 --> 00:00:23,480 wouldn't be who we are if we didn't come up 6 00:00:23,480 --> 00:00:25,839 with like, do you remember when this happened? Because we 7 00:00:25,879 --> 00:00:28,120 all need to know about this type situation, And that's 8 00:00:28,120 --> 00:00:31,879 what's happening today. Yeah, And I mean it's a true 9 00:00:31,879 --> 00:00:35,560 crime story, and true crime is bigger than true crime, right, 10 00:00:35,640 --> 00:00:39,520 This is a true crime story that is about immigration 11 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:46,479 and how the United States increasingly harsh immigration policies put 12 00:00:46,520 --> 00:00:49,719 lives in danger. Right, That's what it boils down to 13 00:00:49,759 --> 00:00:51,600 at the end of the day, and as well as 14 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:56,920 obviously the people responsible directly responsible. But people wouldn't take 15 00:00:57,000 --> 00:01:01,479 these dangerous routes into United States if they were forced 16 00:01:01,479 --> 00:01:05,040 to write. Right, if you are a patron member at 17 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:07,319 the lowest tier, you just had an extra twenty six 18 00:01:07,319 --> 00:01:11,599 minutes of us talking about our I don't know, random things. 19 00:01:11,640 --> 00:01:15,280 Bad Bunny came up, Bad Bunny again again, again again, 20 00:01:16,319 --> 00:01:18,480 and I talked about the movie my kids are making, 21 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:21,760 and yeah, you get that the lowest tier, which is 22 00:01:21,799 --> 00:01:26,439 a dollar a month. So okay, and so let's get 23 00:01:26,480 --> 00:01:31,439 into it, all right. So I want to preface this 24 00:01:31,519 --> 00:01:34,400 by saying that I don't think I've cried more researching 25 00:01:34,439 --> 00:01:37,319 and writing notes, but I felt like it was important 26 00:01:37,359 --> 00:01:40,719 to revisit this tragic day because in doing that, we 27 00:01:40,760 --> 00:01:44,599 honor the lives that were lost, their sacrifices, and the 28 00:01:44,680 --> 00:01:47,719 grief that we all share, knowing that this could have 29 00:01:47,760 --> 00:01:52,319 been us or our loved ones, knowing that many of 30 00:01:52,400 --> 00:01:56,040 us and our loved ones have made similar journeys. And 31 00:01:56,120 --> 00:01:58,120 with that being said, this is probably one of our 32 00:01:58,159 --> 00:02:02,879 heaviest true crime stories, So take care while listening or 33 00:02:03,000 --> 00:02:07,079 skip if you have to. And also quick shout out 34 00:02:07,120 --> 00:02:11,800 to Elliott Woods of the Texas Monthly, who took over 35 00:02:11,879 --> 00:02:16,400 two years to investigate further than this tragic day and 36 00:02:16,479 --> 00:02:20,120 the initial headlines from that day and put together the 37 00:02:20,159 --> 00:02:23,879 first full account of it and followed some of the 38 00:02:23,879 --> 00:02:28,159 survivors and their families, the complexities of the day and 39 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,919 the aftermath. Everyone should read the article. It was beautifully, 40 00:02:32,039 --> 00:02:34,520 beautifully written, and it'll be linked in the show notes 41 00:02:34,560 --> 00:02:38,039 as well as the other sources for today's episode. On 42 00:02:38,400 --> 00:02:42,599 June twenty seventh, twenty twenty two, at approximately six pm, 43 00:02:43,000 --> 00:02:46,960 Roberto Quintero and his crew were working when they heard 44 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:50,719 screams and rushed towards the commotion, which took them to 45 00:02:50,960 --> 00:02:56,199 Quintana Road in South San Antonio, Texas. There they found 46 00:02:56,400 --> 00:02:59,800 a girl staggering near a semi truck. Once it got 47 00:03:00,319 --> 00:03:04,439 to the semi truck, they found bodies upon bodies, not moving, 48 00:03:04,599 --> 00:03:08,280 with swollen faces and blue lips. What about the call 49 00:03:08,400 --> 00:03:11,439 nine one one exclaiming there was an eighteen wheeler with 50 00:03:11,479 --> 00:03:14,479 about twenty dead people in the back. There's more than 51 00:03:14,479 --> 00:03:18,439 twenty people. There's fifty people, all the while the girl 52 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:21,840 could be her screaming in the background. In total, fifty 53 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:25,199 three migrants found in the trailer died that day, twenty 54 00:03:25,240 --> 00:03:30,479 six Mexicans, twenty one Guatemalans, and six Endurance. And this 55 00:03:30,759 --> 00:03:33,360 left us, many of us, with questions. Who can be 56 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:36,520 blamed for this horrible incident that's been described as the 57 00:03:36,639 --> 00:03:42,439 deadliest immigration related disaster. The US for its deadly immigration policies, 58 00:03:42,759 --> 00:03:46,759 the smugglers, the med fuel driver working for the smugglers, 59 00:03:47,599 --> 00:03:52,680 the extremely hot Texan summer. I don't know. So that 60 00:03:52,800 --> 00:03:56,639 morning again On June twenty seven, twenty twenty two, about 61 00:03:56,879 --> 00:04:00,439 twenty four migrants from Mexico, Guatemala and on with us, 62 00:04:00,520 --> 00:04:05,879 including brothers Bergayi and Mariano Santiago e Bolito from southern Mexico, 63 00:04:06,280 --> 00:04:08,759 as well as a few children and women, had been 64 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:11,360 taken by smugglers to a stash house and had been 65 00:04:11,360 --> 00:04:14,479 there for over two days. Twenty four people in a 66 00:04:14,639 --> 00:04:17,680 cramped and single room with zero furniture and almost no 67 00:04:17,800 --> 00:04:20,680 room for anyone to lie down. There was nowhere to 68 00:04:20,759 --> 00:04:23,439 bathe or shower, and the one toilet that was there 69 00:04:23,720 --> 00:04:26,759 was hello grimy. They had run out of the little 70 00:04:26,800 --> 00:04:29,160 food and bottled water that was given to them by 71 00:04:29,199 --> 00:04:32,759 the smugglers, and everyone was wondering why they were still there, 72 00:04:33,519 --> 00:04:36,680 But the smugglers were worried that a local would spot 73 00:04:36,759 --> 00:04:39,639 them at informed authorities, so they forbathed the migrants from 74 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:42,560 leaving the stash house for any reason, because they had 75 00:04:42,680 --> 00:04:46,800 just lost two stash houses earlier that month. Finally, a 76 00:04:46,839 --> 00:04:49,399 big white box truck showed up to the stash house 77 00:04:49,439 --> 00:04:52,199 to pick the migrants up, but this was hardly an 78 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:55,560 improvement in treatment for the migrants. The men who showed 79 00:04:55,600 --> 00:04:58,399 up to pick them up, wore masks and screened orders 80 00:04:58,399 --> 00:05:01,160 at them. They took their phone and a few water 81 00:05:01,199 --> 00:05:03,920 bottles the migrants had been able to refill from the sink. 82 00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:07,360 The cargo area was already packed with migrants who had 83 00:05:07,360 --> 00:05:10,600 been staying at other stash houses, and the truck drove 84 00:05:10,639 --> 00:05:14,399 for about ten minutes, taking the migrants to the semi truck, 85 00:05:14,680 --> 00:05:18,439 which would then take them across the border. Just like 86 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:20,519 in the white truck, there were already groups of people 87 00:05:20,519 --> 00:05:23,360 in the trailer of the semi truck. In total, there 88 00:05:23,360 --> 00:05:27,120 were more than sixty people in the trailer. The brothers 89 00:05:27,120 --> 00:05:30,199 Begaye and Mariano settled by a wall around the middle 90 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:32,600 of the trailer, and next to them were three women 91 00:05:32,639 --> 00:05:35,720 from a small town in Guatemala, one who was hoping 92 00:05:35,800 --> 00:05:39,720 to join her sister in Minnesota. The youngest and the 93 00:05:39,800 --> 00:05:43,319 trailer were a pair of cousins, also from Guatemala, who 94 00:05:43,319 --> 00:05:47,959 were thirteen and fourteen so young, who were also hoping 95 00:05:48,000 --> 00:05:51,480 to join their relatives. The older cousin was a huge 96 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:55,360 fan of Messi and dreamed of being a professional soccer 97 00:05:55,439 --> 00:05:58,439 player one day, but his goal was to earn money 98 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:01,040 to help his mom care for his younger siblings back home. 99 00:06:02,399 --> 00:06:05,160 The oldest in the trailer was a fifty five year 100 00:06:05,160 --> 00:06:08,639 old construction worker who had been living in Arkansas for 101 00:06:08,759 --> 00:06:12,040 over twenty years, but had gone back to Mexico to 102 00:06:12,199 --> 00:06:15,279 visit family and was now on his way back to 103 00:06:15,360 --> 00:06:19,040 his wife, three kids and four grandkids. Wow, and you 104 00:06:19,079 --> 00:06:21,439 know what, I died in twenty twenty two. Less people 105 00:06:21,519 --> 00:06:24,639 were coming and going like that because when we were kids, 106 00:06:24,720 --> 00:06:27,079 it was so normal for so many of our uncles 107 00:06:27,079 --> 00:06:31,480 to come and go. I mean our grandparents did it too. Yeah, 108 00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:35,079 and I feel like twenty twenty two was even more 109 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:38,199 difficult to do this. Yeah. And I didn't find the 110 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:40,399 reasons why he went, but could have been anything. Maybe 111 00:06:40,720 --> 00:06:42,600 his mom died. A lot of people go back for 112 00:06:42,680 --> 00:06:47,720 finder rolls or sick relatives, who knows, but he had 113 00:06:47,720 --> 00:06:53,600 been living here for twenty years before that, twenty years. 114 00:06:53,639 --> 00:06:57,199 Towards the back doors of the trailer was a pair 115 00:06:57,439 --> 00:07:01,839 of siblings in their twenties, also from Guatemala. The brother 116 00:07:01,920 --> 00:07:04,319 and sister had been caring for eighteen girl who they 117 00:07:04,360 --> 00:07:07,680 had met along their journey to the border, and she 118 00:07:07,800 --> 00:07:11,120 sat between them because they were comforting her. And this 119 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:14,560 was a common experience right older migrants usually care for 120 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:18,639 younger ones who are traveling alone. Reminds me of sol Yeah. 121 00:07:18,879 --> 00:07:21,000 Even the stash house part remind me of Soliton because 122 00:07:21,000 --> 00:07:25,560 he describes similar circumstances. I mean, didn't our mom stay 123 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:30,800 in a slash house? I think she did. Yeah. Also 124 00:07:30,839 --> 00:07:33,040 in the trailer were a pair of cousins from Mexico 125 00:07:33,519 --> 00:07:36,160 who were caring for an eighteen year old boy from 126 00:07:36,199 --> 00:07:38,839 Mexico City whose mom had asked them to watch out 127 00:07:38,839 --> 00:07:42,759 for him. Among the group was also a twenty seven 128 00:07:42,839 --> 00:07:46,600 year old woman from Ondouras who was around twelve weeks pregnant. 129 00:07:47,279 --> 00:07:49,160 That morning, she had been able to call her mom, 130 00:07:49,199 --> 00:07:51,759 who was living in La and she had told her 131 00:07:51,800 --> 00:07:56,120 she would see her soon. The group spread out as 132 00:07:56,160 --> 00:07:58,279 much as they could, but they were pretty cramped in 133 00:07:58,319 --> 00:08:03,079 there and became unbearable quickly. It was almost one hundred 134 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:07,480 degrees outside, making the air inside the trailer too hot. 135 00:08:07,560 --> 00:08:11,839 Almost as soon as the doors were closed and the 136 00:08:11,959 --> 00:08:16,040 latches from the outside were closed as well. Just before 137 00:08:16,079 --> 00:08:19,040 two pm, the semi truck set off and the plan 138 00:08:19,199 --> 00:08:21,720 was to arrive in San Antonio in a little over 139 00:08:21,800 --> 00:08:25,439 three hours, where the migrants would then go their separate 140 00:08:25,480 --> 00:08:29,519 ways to their final destinations, many with jobs already lined 141 00:08:29,600 --> 00:08:34,000 up and family to reunite with. Unfortunately, things did not 142 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:38,639 go as planned. The smugglers associated with this incident, or 143 00:08:39,279 --> 00:08:44,279 Felippe or Luna Torres and Jose Martinez or Vera, and 144 00:08:44,320 --> 00:08:47,960 Felippe was the one who maintained contact with the cartel. 145 00:08:48,679 --> 00:08:51,320 And I guess I'll explain really quick for anyone who 146 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:55,919 doesn't know the current situation in the border for migrants. 147 00:08:56,879 --> 00:09:00,600 So cartel's control regies in Mexico obviously, right, and in 148 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:04,799 Novo Lao, where brothers Begay and Mariano as well as 149 00:09:04,799 --> 00:09:08,200 other migrants found themselves that day to cross into the 150 00:09:08,320 --> 00:09:12,159 United States though, so they were crossing from Novolo into 151 00:09:12,559 --> 00:09:20,480 into Texas, and so they're the is in control. And 152 00:09:20,559 --> 00:09:25,080 there are different, right, different cartels, different in different areas. Yeah, 153 00:09:25,200 --> 00:09:28,960 the cartels themselves are not usually involved in the logistics 154 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:33,159 of smuggling and moving people. That's done by smaller organizations 155 00:09:33,200 --> 00:09:37,559 who function more like independent contractors. While the cartels in 156 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:43,519 this case, the they extort money from every migrant trying 157 00:09:43,519 --> 00:09:46,360 to cross the border. And I feel like this that 158 00:09:46,440 --> 00:09:49,759 has gotten worse as time has gone on, because this 159 00:09:50,039 --> 00:09:53,200 wasn't a thing and saying, and the article gets into that. 160 00:09:53,759 --> 00:09:56,320 We I in my note, I don't really get into it, 161 00:09:56,360 --> 00:09:59,559 but I figured we would talk about it. But yeah, 162 00:09:59,639 --> 00:10:04,159 this whole process, this whole method of migrating, has only 163 00:10:04,200 --> 00:10:10,120 gone worse as deterrent methods have been used by border patrol, 164 00:10:10,200 --> 00:10:13,600 pushing migrants more and more out like into dangerous situations, 165 00:10:14,279 --> 00:10:18,039 and as militarization of the border has gone worse and 166 00:10:18,639 --> 00:10:21,440 the war on drugt has gone worse. Things got worse 167 00:10:21,480 --> 00:10:24,399 hat through NAFTA. All of these conditions helped put cartels 168 00:10:24,399 --> 00:10:27,200 in control, which worsened the danger that my vents are 169 00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:31,799 facing over the years. Right exactly, so, the cartels know 170 00:10:31,879 --> 00:10:34,840 everyone trying to cross, and they require the use of 171 00:10:34,879 --> 00:10:39,559 code words to know that migrants are using their approved smugglers, 172 00:10:39,559 --> 00:10:42,519 and anyone who's not using an approved smuggler is basically 173 00:10:42,879 --> 00:10:47,360 usually kidnapped by cartels or faces other dangers. Right. And 174 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:49,720 the smugglers also use the code words to help them 175 00:10:49,799 --> 00:10:54,480 keep track of their clients. Felippe and Jose use the 176 00:10:54,519 --> 00:10:59,159 code word zero five zero flacco and this was the 177 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:03,879 code that the brothers Gayi and Mariano were using. Okay, 178 00:11:03,879 --> 00:11:06,879 so that was just a little like brief explanation m HM. 179 00:11:07,799 --> 00:11:11,799 Felippe and Jose were both undocumented Mexicans and had been 180 00:11:11,799 --> 00:11:15,720 working as smugglers for years separately until they joined forces 181 00:11:15,759 --> 00:11:20,840 around twenty nineteen to capitalize on attacking tactic known as 182 00:11:20,840 --> 00:11:24,080 a book smuggling, which is to move a large amount 183 00:11:24,080 --> 00:11:27,000 of people in commercial vehicles like semi trucks, which is 184 00:11:27,120 --> 00:11:30,399 you know what happened here, And that meant that a 185 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:35,360 smuggling became bigger and more popular after NAFTA, because commercial 186 00:11:35,399 --> 00:11:39,039 trucking between the US and Mexico became a bigger thing 187 00:11:39,480 --> 00:11:44,120 after n af After okay, smugglers like Felippe and Jose 188 00:11:44,840 --> 00:11:48,960 would forge documents describing the contents of the trailers, and 189 00:11:49,000 --> 00:11:52,720 they would use things like detergents coffee meat sizzings to 190 00:11:52,840 --> 00:11:56,879 hide the scent of hidden passengers from scent detecting dogs, 191 00:11:57,399 --> 00:12:02,080 which is hard to trick those dogs their way. Since 192 00:12:02,080 --> 00:12:05,879 twenty twenty one, six of Felipe and Hoss operations had 193 00:12:05,919 --> 00:12:09,600 been busted by dogs. But even with being busted six times, 194 00:12:09,600 --> 00:12:14,159 Felippe and Jose had successfully moved thousands of people through 195 00:12:14,279 --> 00:12:18,799 the border checkpoints since working together, but not in the 196 00:12:18,879 --> 00:12:21,480 hands on kind of way because they outsourced most of 197 00:12:21,519 --> 00:12:26,679 the work. Wow. Yeah, there's a whole operation. Yeah, and 198 00:12:26,759 --> 00:12:29,360 of course there is. I just didn't like realize it, 199 00:12:29,559 --> 00:12:34,559 you know. Yeah. The man who Felippe and Jose used 200 00:12:34,559 --> 00:12:38,559 to maintain their fleet of semi trucks and trailers was 201 00:12:38,600 --> 00:12:42,759 another undocumented Mexican man named Juan de Luna Bilbao, who 202 00:12:42,840 --> 00:12:46,200 was working as a car mechanic and got into business 203 00:12:46,200 --> 00:12:49,679 with them unintentionally after one of his friends got him 204 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:53,840 like a side gig working on Hosse's personal car. Then 205 00:12:53,840 --> 00:12:56,279 he kind of just fell into it with them. Right 206 00:12:56,639 --> 00:13:01,559 When Felippe and Jose had a smuggling operation going on, 207 00:13:01,720 --> 00:13:05,320 they would have Huan move the semi truck that they 208 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:07,480 were going to use that day from the storage lot 209 00:13:07,679 --> 00:13:11,919 to the ending point of the operation and then back. 210 00:13:12,159 --> 00:13:14,360 He would move it back to the storage law afterwards, 211 00:13:14,960 --> 00:13:17,519 and he would get paid five hundred dollars for every 212 00:13:17,639 --> 00:13:22,600 successful operation. I feel like that's not enough. No, but 213 00:13:22,679 --> 00:13:25,279 all he was doing was fixing the trucks and moving 214 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:30,480 the ic. Yeah. Okay, So on June twenty seventh, around 215 00:13:30,600 --> 00:13:33,519 five am, Jose called Huan and asked him to take 216 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:36,440 a red tractor hooked to a fifty three foot white 217 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:39,840 trailer to one of their usual truck stops and informed 218 00:13:39,879 --> 00:13:43,240 him that their driver was already on his way. So 219 00:13:43,360 --> 00:13:45,960 Juan did, and when he got there, he performed the 220 00:13:46,080 --> 00:13:50,000 usual maintenance checks and he sprinkled meat seasoning and the trailer. 221 00:13:50,600 --> 00:13:53,320 Then took pictures of the ID numbers of the truck 222 00:13:53,440 --> 00:13:57,360 and trailer so Pelippe and Jose could forge the necessary 223 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:02,000 paperwork to get through the checkpoint. Noted that the refrigeration 224 00:14:02,240 --> 00:14:05,960 unit in the trailer was malfunctioning, and he had actually 225 00:14:06,159 --> 00:14:09,000 been sharing this concern with Whole several months, saying he 226 00:14:09,039 --> 00:14:12,120 didn't know how to fix the issue, And three days 227 00:14:12,159 --> 00:14:15,759 before the operation, Juan had Texan Josset a video of 228 00:14:15,799 --> 00:14:18,919 the unit showing him that it wasn't working, and Hose 229 00:14:19,080 --> 00:14:20,840 said he would get someone to look at it, but 230 00:14:20,919 --> 00:14:25,720 never did. Juan's main concerns, though, were one that the 231 00:14:25,840 --> 00:14:29,039 temperature would raise red flags at the border checkpoint because 232 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:33,159 of paperwork specified a certain temperature setting for whatever they 233 00:14:33,159 --> 00:14:38,000 were supposedly hauling, right yeah, And the other concern was 234 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:42,759 that the temperature was higher and wouldn't cool down and 235 00:14:42,799 --> 00:14:47,759 then worse the other concern without without a working refrigeration unit, 236 00:14:48,039 --> 00:14:51,879 the Texas Heat June Texas heat would be dangerous for 237 00:14:51,919 --> 00:14:55,519 the passengers, But Kuan had been told to not question orders, 238 00:14:55,559 --> 00:14:57,919 so ultimately he did what he was told. He delivered 239 00:14:57,960 --> 00:15:02,600 the trailer, filled it with diesel, and walked away. Shortly 240 00:15:02,639 --> 00:15:07,759 after Juan walked away, Christian Martinez and Omero Samorano arrived 241 00:15:07,759 --> 00:15:10,399 at the truck stop. Christian had been working for Rose 242 00:15:11,080 --> 00:15:14,039 and Felippe for only a few months, and his tasks 243 00:15:14,919 --> 00:15:19,360 included finding and hiring commercially licensed truck drivers who were 244 00:15:19,559 --> 00:15:23,039 US citizens or permanent residents, since they had to be 245 00:15:23,039 --> 00:15:25,279 able to get through the border checkpoints right and who 246 00:15:25,279 --> 00:15:29,360 were also willing to risk getting arrested, and to bring 247 00:15:29,399 --> 00:15:31,480 the person who'd be driving the semi truck to the 248 00:15:31,519 --> 00:15:34,519 truck stop. Then he would be the middleman communicating with 249 00:15:34,600 --> 00:15:37,879 the driver and the bosses Jsse and Philippe during the operation. 250 00:15:39,039 --> 00:15:41,919 Ometo was a driver who would be transporting the migrants. 251 00:15:43,159 --> 00:15:45,200 Christian had never made the kind of money he was 252 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:47,679 making now that he was working for Josse and Phelippe. 253 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:51,440 After a driver successfully made it to San Antonio, with 254 00:15:51,480 --> 00:15:55,000 a load of migrants. Kistan would be paid five thousand 255 00:15:55,320 --> 00:15:57,759 dollars and in less than four months he had already 256 00:15:57,759 --> 00:16:01,360 made thirty five thousand. Wow. So he had made this 257 00:16:01,600 --> 00:16:06,720 trip several times. And well, he wasn't the driver. He 258 00:16:06,720 --> 00:16:09,799 he contracted the drivers and then he would take now 259 00:16:09,960 --> 00:16:12,799 the drivers to the spot where the semi truck to 260 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:15,879 the truck stop. Basically he made at least thirty five 261 00:16:15,919 --> 00:16:19,120 thousand doing this. Yeah. And then he was the MetalMan, 262 00:16:19,279 --> 00:16:22,840 maintaining communication between the driver and then the ring leaders. 263 00:16:22,879 --> 00:16:26,200 I guess he could say Jossein Peilippe. So yeah, and 264 00:16:26,240 --> 00:16:28,519 he had made thirty five thousand dollars in the four 265 00:16:28,559 --> 00:16:32,840 months he'd been working for them. Wow. Before that, Christian 266 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:36,960 had been homeless, living in his car. He had difficulties 267 00:16:37,000 --> 00:16:41,120 finding and maintaining employment because he had severe cognitive disabilities 268 00:16:41,159 --> 00:16:43,440 and never learned to read. And I guess read like 269 00:16:43,480 --> 00:16:45,720 on a level like he could text and communicate, but 270 00:16:45,919 --> 00:16:51,639 read a level of literacy. I guess yeah. Earlier that morning, 271 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:54,559 when Christian arrived to pick Ometo up, he found O 272 00:16:54,600 --> 00:16:58,480 Metal smoking meth with his girlfriend. But this was normal, 273 00:16:58,639 --> 00:17:01,120 nothing out of the ordinary. Both of them often used 274 00:17:01,159 --> 00:17:04,759 stimulants like met and cocaine to stay awake during overnight halls. 275 00:17:05,440 --> 00:17:08,880 By eleven am, Ometal arrived at the north end of 276 00:17:09,000 --> 00:17:13,680 Laredo to await further instructions. This was routine because drivers 277 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:16,319 weren't sent directly to the stash houses in order to 278 00:17:16,759 --> 00:17:21,720 avoid drawing attention. A bit before one pm, Ometal received 279 00:17:21,759 --> 00:17:25,279 a Google Maps pin from Christian where the white box 280 00:17:25,319 --> 00:17:29,039 truck was located. Earlier I mentioned the migrants were loaded 281 00:17:29,039 --> 00:17:32,440 onto this white box truck. Yeah, and then from there 282 00:17:32,480 --> 00:17:35,799 on he would be taken into San Antonio. About an 283 00:17:35,799 --> 00:17:40,279 hour later, Ometal arrived to the border checkpoint and got 284 00:17:40,319 --> 00:17:43,799 through with no issues since the border patrol agent didn't 285 00:17:43,799 --> 00:17:48,720 even check his paperwork. By this point, the airror inside 286 00:17:48,759 --> 00:17:52,799 the trailer was unbearable, but the migrants had been warned 287 00:17:52,839 --> 00:17:56,039 to not make any noises so as to not alert 288 00:17:56,119 --> 00:18:00,680 the border patrol of the presence. Ometal kept heading north 289 00:18:00,920 --> 00:18:04,640 to San Antonio, and by this time the heat inside 290 00:18:04,640 --> 00:18:09,240 the trailer had only gotten worse and had likely reached 291 00:18:09,279 --> 00:18:13,160 temperatures higher than one hundred and forty degrees. Oh my god. 292 00:18:13,519 --> 00:18:16,640 The sixty four migrants in the trailer could no longer 293 00:18:16,680 --> 00:18:20,880 handle it. Mariano and beg Aye were trying their best 294 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:25,200 to maintain their composure as they heard everyone screaming around them. 295 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:30,519 In addition to the unbearable heat, everyone's eyes were burning 296 00:18:30,559 --> 00:18:33,240 and their bodies were itchy because of the meat seasoning 297 00:18:33,279 --> 00:18:37,920 that quant had sprinkled everywhere. Everyone had grown desperate and 298 00:18:37,960 --> 00:18:42,200 they started scrambling and tripping over each other looking for 299 00:18:42,319 --> 00:18:45,240 any kind of opening to let air in. But all 300 00:18:45,319 --> 00:18:48,839 the screaming and movement only made things worse because it 301 00:18:48,960 --> 00:18:54,599 generated more heat and depleted the already low oxygen. There 302 00:18:54,720 --> 00:18:56,799 was so much sweat on the floor of the trailer 303 00:18:56,920 --> 00:19:02,079 that when Mariano tried to stand, he started sliding, And 304 00:19:02,160 --> 00:19:04,440 even then, Mariano managed to make his way to the 305 00:19:04,440 --> 00:19:07,359 front of the trailer, where he tried to get Ometo's 306 00:19:07,359 --> 00:19:11,920 attention by slamming the wall with his fists to Novel, 307 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:16,240 and he also managed his way back to his brother 308 00:19:16,279 --> 00:19:20,319 Begay through the crowd. Is it like, I mean, I've 309 00:19:20,359 --> 00:19:22,440 never been in a truck like this, so like could 310 00:19:22,440 --> 00:19:24,200 he really not hear them or was he just like 311 00:19:24,279 --> 00:19:27,480 told to ignore them? No, he heard them, He heard them, 312 00:19:27,559 --> 00:19:32,519 Yeah he did. Yeah. So later during the criminal proceedings, 313 00:19:32,519 --> 00:19:35,039 it was discovered that Ometo had heard the noises from 314 00:19:35,039 --> 00:19:39,480 the trailer. Oh my god. Around three twenty pm, Ometo 315 00:19:39,559 --> 00:19:42,759 had called Christian letting him know that he stopped to 316 00:19:42,759 --> 00:19:45,880 buy a charger for his phone, and then he stopped 317 00:19:45,880 --> 00:19:48,640 two more times because he heard the screaming and the 318 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:52,680 banging on the trailer walls. It was likely he knew 319 00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:56,160 something was wrong because he had tried to reset the 320 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,400 refrigeration unit. He tried to fix the issue like when 321 00:19:59,400 --> 00:20:04,279 he stopped, but he accidentally made things worse and the 322 00:20:04,359 --> 00:20:08,559 unit started blowing hot air. Oh my god, and the 323 00:20:08,599 --> 00:20:12,720 migrants felt a sudden rush of heat, and he heard them. 324 00:20:12,960 --> 00:20:16,480 He heard the migrants screaming, and he shouted, we're almost 325 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:23,039 there at them. Around five point thirty pm, Ometo connected 326 00:20:23,200 --> 00:20:27,480 with a pickup that was part of the operation and 327 00:20:28,680 --> 00:20:30,920 was to take him to the drop off spot on 328 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:35,359 Quintana Road in San Antonio, and Ometo was worried now, 329 00:20:35,519 --> 00:20:40,519 so he called Christian again, saying they're screaming and banging 330 00:20:40,599 --> 00:20:45,519 real bad, and he asked Kistan what to do. So Kristian, 331 00:20:45,559 --> 00:20:48,960 as a middleman, then asked the bosses Felippe and Josse 332 00:20:49,400 --> 00:20:53,720 what to do. And they replied saying what's done is done. 333 00:20:53,799 --> 00:20:59,480 Don't stop again. Meanwhile, inside the trailer, the migrants were 334 00:20:59,559 --> 00:21:02,880 growing desperate, to the point that some had clawed at 335 00:21:02,880 --> 00:21:06,680 the walls and ripped off chunks of the insulation in 336 00:21:06,720 --> 00:21:10,279 an attempt to get fresh air, which of course didn't 337 00:21:10,279 --> 00:21:14,920 work right. Others had formed the prayer circle in the 338 00:21:14,960 --> 00:21:17,400 middle of the trailer. This is a part where I 339 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:20,079 started crying when I was writing the notes. My mind 340 00:21:20,079 --> 00:21:23,480 you had already been crying. Yeah, okay, because the article 341 00:21:23,680 --> 00:21:29,960 goes in depth about Begayi's and Mariano's not their journey 342 00:21:30,000 --> 00:21:32,160 into the US, but their like lives before they came 343 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:36,039 and why they decided to come to the US. So yeah, yeah, 344 00:21:36,079 --> 00:21:42,640 it's a lot. And another migrant who managed to not 345 00:21:42,720 --> 00:21:47,519 have their phone confiscated by the smugglers, called someone in desperation, 346 00:21:47,720 --> 00:21:51,880 pleading them to save them. Another man was begging for 347 00:21:52,000 --> 00:21:55,839 water for his dying wife, and the pair of siblings 348 00:21:55,839 --> 00:21:58,599 who were caring for the teen girl for fanning her 349 00:21:58,720 --> 00:22:02,599 with their pocket bibles. Another woman who managed to hold 350 00:22:02,599 --> 00:22:05,279 onto her bottle of water, shared her last drops of 351 00:22:05,279 --> 00:22:09,119 water with the siblings on La Tingirl, and soon the 352 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:14,759 migrants began dying. They were suffering from extreme dehydration, to 353 00:22:14,799 --> 00:22:17,799 the point that they stopped sweating and their skin turned 354 00:22:17,839 --> 00:22:23,799 hot to the touch. They were losing electrolytes fast, which 355 00:22:23,839 --> 00:22:29,319 causes symptoms like muscle cramps, brain swelling, nausea, loss of coordination, delibrium, 356 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:34,119 and seizures. Their bodies reached temperatures higher than one hundred 357 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:39,519 and five degrees and their organs started to fill agonizing. 358 00:22:39,839 --> 00:22:45,279 It was agonizing, Oh my God, this is horrible. Mariano 359 00:22:45,359 --> 00:22:48,079 and beg Ie held hands through it all. Beg Ae 360 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:50,880 told Mariano that he couldn't take the pain in his chest, 361 00:22:51,359 --> 00:22:54,720 and he felt like he was being submerged underwater, each 362 00:22:54,799 --> 00:23:00,400 breath becoming more and more laborious. He told Mariano, they're 363 00:23:00,759 --> 00:23:04,599 murdering us in here, as his mouth and limbs twisted 364 00:23:04,599 --> 00:23:09,119 of their own accord in a spasmic way. Madama tried 365 00:23:09,119 --> 00:23:12,640 to comfort big Ae, telling him to stay strong. Big 366 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:16,920 II's last memory of those excruciating moments were his brother's words, praying, 367 00:23:17,759 --> 00:23:20,839 my God, look after my heart, look after my soul, 368 00:23:22,000 --> 00:23:27,559 as in his brother being his like his heart and soul. 369 00:23:28,720 --> 00:23:30,480 I don't know if he was like about himself. Or 370 00:23:30,480 --> 00:23:33,240 his brother, but those were his what he remembers last hearing, 371 00:23:33,400 --> 00:23:38,680 Oh my god. Ometo finally arrived at the meeting spot 372 00:23:38,720 --> 00:23:41,279 where the drivers, who were also part of the smuggling 373 00:23:41,319 --> 00:23:44,200 operation were to pick up their set of migrants and 374 00:23:44,279 --> 00:23:47,920 take them to their separate destinations. He watched as the 375 00:23:48,000 --> 00:23:51,480 drivers opened the doors, but instead of the usual routine 376 00:23:51,480 --> 00:23:55,079 of shouting their respective codes and collecting their clients, he 377 00:23:55,119 --> 00:23:57,920 saw the drivers run back to their cars and speed away. 378 00:23:58,839 --> 00:24:02,640 Ometo was panicking, so he called Gistian, who told him 379 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,200 to go look in the trailer. So he did with 380 00:24:05,319 --> 00:24:08,400 Gristian still on the line, and he told him there 381 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:12,480 his body stacked up. Before ending the call, Guistian was 382 00:24:12,519 --> 00:24:16,319 now shaking himself, so he called Josese lieutenants, who told 383 00:24:16,359 --> 00:24:20,559 him to go pick Omeo up. Guistian arrived only minutes after, 384 00:24:20,759 --> 00:24:23,160 and he saw a teen girl sobbing near the truck, 385 00:24:23,519 --> 00:24:25,960 soaking with sweat, and a group of strangers trying to 386 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:30,119 help her. These men were Roberto Quintero and his work crew, 387 00:24:30,200 --> 00:24:32,799 who Carmen mentioned at the top of the episode, who 388 00:24:32,880 --> 00:24:35,160 heard the screams while they were working and ran over 389 00:24:35,200 --> 00:24:38,400 to help. Once Ghistian saw that Ometo was not there, 390 00:24:38,480 --> 00:24:42,359 he fled the scene. Omedo had fled before Christian got there, 391 00:24:42,480 --> 00:24:47,400 and had also stopped replying to texts and calls from Christian. Luckily, 392 00:24:47,559 --> 00:24:50,240 Roberto and his crew saw Ometo and were able to 393 00:24:50,319 --> 00:24:53,799 describe him to law enforcement. They ran after him too, 394 00:24:53,920 --> 00:24:57,839 but he got away from them. Law enforcement and purchasponders 395 00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:01,480 arrived quickly within minutes. They they began to pull the migrants, 396 00:25:01,599 --> 00:25:04,200 arranging them signed by side on the dirt side of 397 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:08,240 the road and pulling out survivors as they found them. 398 00:25:08,519 --> 00:25:16,119 The survivors totaled sixteen, and those who died total forty eight, 399 00:25:17,200 --> 00:25:20,640 including two migrants who had been found several hundred feet 400 00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:24,839 away from the semi truck. So the first first responders 401 00:25:24,839 --> 00:25:27,480 thought there might be others who kind of got further 402 00:25:27,519 --> 00:25:29,559 away from the truck, so they searched the sides of 403 00:25:29,599 --> 00:25:32,720 the road, and they found an unconscious man with the 404 00:25:32,720 --> 00:25:35,079 phone line next to him. At first they thought he 405 00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,799 was one of the victims, but this turned out to 406 00:25:37,799 --> 00:25:41,839 be a Metro Oh. They unlocked his phone and saw 407 00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:46,039 texts later determined to be from Christian asking where he 408 00:25:46,160 --> 00:25:49,880 was at, and he was quickly detained and put under 409 00:25:49,880 --> 00:25:52,400 a police supervision at the hospital where he was receiving 410 00:25:52,400 --> 00:25:57,160 treatment for amphetamine intoxication an dehydration. Oh okay, I was 411 00:25:57,200 --> 00:26:00,799 wondering why he was passed out. I see now. It 412 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:04,200 didn't take police too long to find the others involved. 413 00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:07,759 Kuan was at the storage lot waiting to retrieve the 414 00:26:07,799 --> 00:26:12,000 semi truck when police arrested him and Kisian was arrested 415 00:26:12,119 --> 00:26:15,119 a couple of days later. Once he saw the news 416 00:26:15,119 --> 00:26:17,359 that Metal had been arrested, he knew he didn't have 417 00:26:17,480 --> 00:26:20,079 much time left, so he went back to his hometown, 418 00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:22,640 which is Palestine, Texas. Did you know there was a 419 00:26:22,680 --> 00:26:25,519 Palestine in Texas? I did. I didn't know that. And 420 00:26:25,559 --> 00:26:28,759 there's another one to tell us. Are you serious? Wow? 421 00:26:28,920 --> 00:26:31,519 But yeah, So he went back to his hometown, Palestine 422 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,640 to visit his mom and sister and finish the rest 423 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:37,319 of his cocaine, where he waited for the cops. Oh 424 00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:43,519 my god, priorities. Yeah, it took law enforcement a year 425 00:26:43,759 --> 00:26:48,440 to find an arrest. Felippe ba Jose evaded arrest. It's 426 00:26:48,559 --> 00:26:51,880 likely he fled to Mexico and he's still at least 427 00:26:51,920 --> 00:26:54,720 as of December twenty five. When I read the Texas 428 00:26:54,759 --> 00:26:58,839 Monthly article, he was still at large. Oh wow. Philippe's 429 00:26:58,960 --> 00:27:01,559 father in law was also found to be involved in 430 00:27:01,559 --> 00:27:05,680 the operation and was also arrested. In total, seven people 431 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:10,640 were arrested. Okay, and I cried a lot during these notes. 432 00:27:11,039 --> 00:27:13,640 But there's a line from the article where Elliot Woods 433 00:27:13,720 --> 00:27:18,799 is writing about the Corner's office being overwhelmed with this 434 00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:22,799 disaster that was out of their scope, about when the 435 00:27:22,880 --> 00:27:26,279 authorities and first responders and whatnot were processing the scene, 436 00:27:26,359 --> 00:27:30,599 and he wrote, quote, once again, the migrants were loaded 437 00:27:30,640 --> 00:27:33,960 like cargo into the backs of large vehicles and hauled 438 00:27:33,960 --> 00:27:37,039 the way, this time to the morgue. Oh my god, 439 00:27:37,559 --> 00:27:41,160 head man the way. I cried, No, for sure, just 440 00:27:41,319 --> 00:27:47,000 reading that now, it's so impactful because they had been 441 00:27:47,039 --> 00:27:52,759 loaded up like this before. Yeah. And it took help 442 00:27:52,839 --> 00:27:56,599 from Dallas and Austin and five days for the Corner's 443 00:27:56,599 --> 00:28:00,519 office to complete the autopsies. The main cause of death 444 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:07,720 was determined to be hyperthermia overheating, but the medical examiner 445 00:28:07,839 --> 00:28:12,319 determined that many of the migrants suffered from asphyxiation, from 446 00:28:12,319 --> 00:28:16,920 being smothered crushed by the weight of other bodies, or 447 00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,240 from being unable to survive on the oxygen depleted air. 448 00:28:21,200 --> 00:28:24,279 While the Corners Office determined hyperthermia to be the cause 449 00:28:24,319 --> 00:28:27,200 of death, they found homicide to be the manner of 450 00:28:27,240 --> 00:28:31,720 death to charge the seven. Yeah, and I mean this 451 00:28:31,759 --> 00:28:37,039 is what killed them. Yeah. While processing the scene gathering evidence, 452 00:28:37,559 --> 00:28:43,079 the authorities collected and took pictures of the diseased belongings. 453 00:28:43,359 --> 00:28:46,440 Most had nothing more than loose change in their pockets. 454 00:28:47,200 --> 00:28:51,319 Many traveled with fake Mexican documents. Others had prayer cards 455 00:28:51,319 --> 00:28:56,599 in their pockets. The pregnant hundred women had two pregnancy 456 00:28:56,640 --> 00:28:59,279 tests in her pocket when she died. Oh my god, 457 00:28:59,640 --> 00:29:04,680 they have There are smugglers codes, including one man who 458 00:29:04,720 --> 00:29:08,279 had the code zero five zero Placo, who was later 459 00:29:08,359 --> 00:29:14,359 determined to be Mariano. Meanwhile, Begaye was unconscious at the hospital. 460 00:29:14,799 --> 00:29:22,640 Begay survived. Yeah. Yeah. Begay's wife, Maddie and his brother 461 00:29:22,839 --> 00:29:24,960 saw another brother of theirs who was living in Aguadas. 462 00:29:25,799 --> 00:29:29,240 Both of them were granted special visas to visit Beggaye, 463 00:29:29,559 --> 00:29:32,319 and both took about a week to get to into 464 00:29:32,319 --> 00:29:36,200 the United States. Wow. I'm glad they were able to 465 00:29:37,200 --> 00:29:41,079 because had this been another administration st right now, I'm 466 00:29:41,079 --> 00:29:45,759 sure that this would have been denied. Yeah. They learned 467 00:29:45,799 --> 00:29:50,519 at the hospital that Begay's organs were shriveled like dried fruit, 468 00:29:51,480 --> 00:29:55,000 and I had suffered two strokes when he had arrived 469 00:29:55,000 --> 00:29:59,400 at the hospital. Oh my god. But eventually, after spending 470 00:29:59,440 --> 00:30:02,920 three days in a coma, he woke up. When he 471 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:07,200 woke up, he had no memory of leaving Mexico. Wait, 472 00:30:07,359 --> 00:30:13,960 did I think his brother was still alive? Yeah, yeah, 473 00:30:14,039 --> 00:30:21,400 I'm telling you. I was crying. It's just heavy right now. 474 00:30:23,319 --> 00:30:26,440 His first words to his wife Maddie were forgive me. 475 00:30:26,680 --> 00:30:29,880 I didn't listen to you. And this was because when 476 00:30:29,880 --> 00:30:33,480 Begaye had left Mexico to come to United States, he 477 00:30:33,559 --> 00:30:36,720 only came to the US because Mariano had asked him 478 00:30:36,759 --> 00:30:41,359 to join him. Oh my god, because Mariano wanted to 479 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:45,279 make more money because his wife, Luce Estrella was having 480 00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:49,519 like several medical issues and she needed to undergo a 481 00:30:49,559 --> 00:30:52,640 few diagnostic tests for a lot of the issues she 482 00:30:52,759 --> 00:30:54,720 was having and they didn't have the money for it, 483 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,799 so he wanted to come to United States for that, 484 00:30:58,000 --> 00:31:02,279 and Begaye was actually doing okay and he didn't need 485 00:31:02,319 --> 00:31:06,880 to come. Yeah, just what help was brother? Yeah? Yeah? 486 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:10,960 And Ma Diana had told him, well, I'm going either way, 487 00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:13,759 you if even if you don't come with me or 488 00:31:13,799 --> 00:31:18,599 without him. Yeah, And so Maddie had been telling don't go, 489 00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:20,799 don't go. We're doing well. Just you know, you're just 490 00:31:20,839 --> 00:31:23,440 stressing yourself out. You're just going to make things worse 491 00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:24,880 for everybody, not for you, but you know what I mean, 492 00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:27,759 like telling him you need to work fine, but Begay 493 00:31:28,079 --> 00:31:30,759 was like, I can't. I can't let him go to 494 00:31:30,759 --> 00:31:33,000 my brother alone. I have to. Yeah, I have to 495 00:31:33,039 --> 00:31:39,000 go with him. And Begae didn't remember that Mariano had 496 00:31:39,079 --> 00:31:42,480 gone into the trailer, and he would constantly ask if, 497 00:31:42,680 --> 00:31:45,799 oh my god, Mariana was okay, and if he had 498 00:31:45,839 --> 00:31:49,319 gone back to Mexico. It took her days to tell 499 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:51,039 him the truth, because I mean, how do you tell 500 00:31:51,039 --> 00:31:56,880 someone that. No, of course, and when she finally told him, 501 00:31:57,200 --> 00:32:01,559 he cried quote with so much at that Maddie thought 502 00:32:01,599 --> 00:32:09,640 something within him was shadowing Oh my god. Yeah, it's terrible. 503 00:32:10,279 --> 00:32:11,880 Even when you know the part where I said they 504 00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:16,079 were holding hands, I was like, no, of course he 505 00:32:16,240 --> 00:32:26,559 was done. Eventually, Begai's condition improved and he was discharged 506 00:32:26,599 --> 00:32:32,319 on July twelveth. Upon his discharge, a days, Department of 507 00:32:32,319 --> 00:32:36,000 Homeland security agent had beg Ai sign a form saying 508 00:32:36,039 --> 00:32:41,160 he was arrested and placed in removal proceedings, but was 509 00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:44,559 reing released pending a hearing before an immigration judge in 510 00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:48,200 three months in Atlanta, where Baii had found work and 511 00:32:48,319 --> 00:32:52,000 was still planning to go. And Begai didn't really understand 512 00:32:52,039 --> 00:32:55,559 the paperwork he was signing. Although he had been discharged, 513 00:32:55,599 --> 00:33:00,400 he was still physically weak and cognitively impaired, and he 514 00:33:00,480 --> 00:33:06,319 needed constant care. And although he had been granted temporary 515 00:33:06,359 --> 00:33:09,960 work authorization, he wasn't really like good. I think you 516 00:33:10,039 --> 00:33:14,920 skipped over the part about his wife having breast cancer. 517 00:33:15,839 --> 00:33:17,680 Oh my god, No, you're right, okay, because I was 518 00:33:17,960 --> 00:33:21,640 talking about Lusisteria's medical issues and that that was the reason, 519 00:33:21,839 --> 00:33:24,039 because she was experiencing a lot of pain. That was 520 00:33:24,079 --> 00:33:26,000 the reason that Marianna wanted to come to the United 521 00:33:26,000 --> 00:33:31,000 States to make money to be able to pay for 522 00:33:31,039 --> 00:33:37,680 those things. Unfortunately, three months after Mariano's death, she was 523 00:33:37,759 --> 00:33:41,920 diagnosed with breast cancer. That's where all the pain was 524 00:33:41,920 --> 00:33:45,279 coming from. Yeah, and it had spread to her bones 525 00:33:45,599 --> 00:33:48,799 in her back, I think it said. And she died 526 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,799 on July thirty first, twenty twenty three, and her and 527 00:33:53,799 --> 00:33:59,279 Mariano left behind two children. Oh yeah, I'm like, this 528 00:33:59,319 --> 00:34:03,200 family has been through enough man, and so yeah, begay 529 00:34:03,559 --> 00:34:06,519 was granted temporary work authorization, but he wasn't really able 530 00:34:06,559 --> 00:34:09,559 to work at this point, and attorney did help him 531 00:34:09,559 --> 00:34:12,960 apply for a U visa that's a specific kind of 532 00:34:13,039 --> 00:34:16,800 visa for victims of crimes. But this can take years 533 00:34:16,800 --> 00:34:20,599 to process. Right. Maddi was still in the United States 534 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:24,360 through her own visa that she had been granted to 535 00:34:24,599 --> 00:34:30,159 visit Begai, and this visa was for thirty days, so 536 00:34:30,199 --> 00:34:33,440 she helped care for Bagae and then they went on 537 00:34:33,519 --> 00:34:36,679 to live with the relatives in Atlanta. After he was discharged, 538 00:34:37,400 --> 00:34:41,239 Madi requested an extension to visa, which was technically called 539 00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:45,719 humanitarian parole. Oh okay, and she wrote a letter explaining 540 00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:49,920 her situation, submitting it to the Atlanta Customs and Border 541 00:34:49,920 --> 00:34:54,440 Protection Office along with the letter of support from Begayi's doctor, 542 00:34:54,519 --> 00:34:57,159 basically saying he needs someone to care for him. Right, 543 00:34:57,679 --> 00:35:01,360 But her request was denied. Oh my fucking god. Yeah, 544 00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,280 I know, I was gonna cut you off, you know, 545 00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:04,880 when you were saying at least she was granted this 546 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:09,119 blah blah blah, and I'm like, but hold on, yeah, 547 00:35:09,320 --> 00:35:12,039 And so after thirty days, she went back to Mexico. 548 00:35:14,280 --> 00:35:19,360 And as of the time that this article from The 549 00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:23,920 Texas Monthly was published in December twenty twenty five, Pegaye 550 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,920 was still living in the US. He was working at 551 00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,440 a food truck long days, six days a week, sending 552 00:35:30,440 --> 00:35:33,880 money to support his family. He was still suffering from 553 00:35:33,960 --> 00:35:38,599 chronic pain and memory issues, and his immigration status is 554 00:35:38,639 --> 00:35:41,559 basically in limbo. He doesn't know where he stands, like 555 00:35:41,559 --> 00:35:43,639 with the U visa. He doesn't really know what's going on. 556 00:35:44,639 --> 00:35:48,760 And the journalist asked him like, oh, are you afraid 557 00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,639 of be deported? He's like not really, Honestly, it might 558 00:35:51,679 --> 00:35:54,559 be a blessing to go back to Mexico, but he 559 00:35:54,639 --> 00:35:58,320 wants to keep making money to support his family. And 560 00:35:58,679 --> 00:36:02,079 he also understands that to be deported doesn't mean simply 561 00:36:02,199 --> 00:36:04,400 to be sent back to Mexico, right, I means spending 562 00:36:05,039 --> 00:36:09,400 who knows how much amount of time at a detention 563 00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:12,400 center better known as a concentration camp. Right, and you 564 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,760 know what the thing could send Someone else might be like, well, 565 00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,360 why not self deport He could still be stopped, like 566 00:36:17,440 --> 00:36:19,440 if he's going to fly to Mexico. He can still 567 00:36:19,440 --> 00:36:22,400 be stopped there at an airport and then take into 568 00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:24,920 a constitution cap and not allowed to leave and then 569 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:28,880 spend months there, same as driving and leaving right and 570 00:36:28,960 --> 00:36:31,880 driving into Mexico. So how did how could he's trapped? 571 00:36:31,880 --> 00:36:35,280 He's trapped here, right? And he says, like the only 572 00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,280 positive is that he's able to make it of money 573 00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:40,239 out right now to support his family. But if it 574 00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:42,239 was like up to his own terms, he would simply 575 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,239 walk across the bridge to go back to Mexico. What 576 00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,480 was about to cry again? Yeah, And that's that's what 577 00:36:48,559 --> 00:36:50,320 the thing we're saying right now is that he can't 578 00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:52,960 even do that though, Yeah, because he could be stopped 579 00:36:53,119 --> 00:36:55,559 on the way there. Yeah, Like people can't even leave 580 00:36:55,599 --> 00:36:57,880 on their own terms no matter what. Now right now 581 00:36:58,199 --> 00:37:01,719 the administration is saying now, yeah, and the most statistic 582 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:04,599 thing is that they're encouraging people to self deport and 583 00:37:04,639 --> 00:37:07,599 then still detaining people, Yeah, because of these four profit 584 00:37:07,719 --> 00:37:12,000 concentration camps. And yeah, he wants nothing more than to 585 00:37:12,039 --> 00:37:16,599 be with his family and to hug Mariano's, Mardano's children, 586 00:37:16,679 --> 00:37:26,320 his nephew's brothers, his everyone arrested, which I had mentioned earlier. 587 00:37:26,360 --> 00:37:30,159 Were seven people in total were arrested, so everyone, including 588 00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:35,920 Omelo and Kisian pled guilty, except for Felippe or Luna 589 00:37:36,079 --> 00:37:40,559 Torre Suk You for Real and his father in law 590 00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:46,480 who was involved minimally but involved Armando Gonzales Garcia, who 591 00:37:46,519 --> 00:37:49,800 both went on to fight their charges in trial. However, 592 00:37:50,159 --> 00:37:53,400 in March twenty twenty five, a federal jury in Texas 593 00:37:53,400 --> 00:37:57,639 found them guilty. In September of that year, twenty twenty five, 594 00:37:57,760 --> 00:38:01,639 they were sentenced to eighty three years in prison, basically 595 00:38:01,719 --> 00:38:04,639 the rest of their lives, and they were also fined 596 00:38:04,800 --> 00:38:09,440 two hundred and fifty thousand each. Wow. Two survivors testified 597 00:38:09,599 --> 00:38:14,039 during the trial, including the teen girl whose screams alerted 598 00:38:14,079 --> 00:38:19,840 the workers. Her name is Sebastiana Morales. The siblings who 599 00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:23,920 were caring for her during the migration journey also survived. 600 00:38:24,000 --> 00:38:30,039 Their names are Glaci and Oswilo San Hai Bacajol Wow Joste. 601 00:38:30,119 --> 00:38:34,960 Luis Guzman was the other survivor who testified, and he 602 00:38:35,400 --> 00:38:38,440 was I think I mentioned the former Mexican soldier who 603 00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,199 was caring for the eighteen year old boy. Oh you, 604 00:38:41,519 --> 00:38:43,000 I think I forgot to write He yeah, he was 605 00:38:43,039 --> 00:38:47,199 a former Mexican soldier. Him and his cousin had basically 606 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,440 taken over the care of the eighteen year old boy 607 00:38:49,519 --> 00:38:51,760 who his mom from Mexico City asked him to care 608 00:38:51,760 --> 00:38:56,679 for him. Yes, that was him, Okay. Unfortunately, the eighteen 609 00:38:56,719 --> 00:39:01,519 year old boy, Marco Antonio Velasco Velasco not survive and 610 00:39:01,760 --> 00:39:07,599 neither did Hote Luis's cousin, Javier Floras Lopez. And yeah, 611 00:39:07,639 --> 00:39:09,880 I mean during the trial they showed the pictures of 612 00:39:09,920 --> 00:39:15,599 all the victims, and when they showed when Jose Luis 613 00:39:15,679 --> 00:39:18,760 was testifying, they had a picture of his cousin Javier, 614 00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:25,199 and he broke down crying on the stand. Yeah. In 615 00:39:25,440 --> 00:39:30,239 twenty twenty four, a permanent memorial was constructed to honor 616 00:39:30,440 --> 00:39:33,920 the fifty three migrants who died on June twenty seventh, 617 00:39:34,159 --> 00:39:39,440 twenty twenty two. It consists of fifty three limestone block boulders, 618 00:39:39,599 --> 00:39:43,559 each boulder representing each one of the victims, and the 619 00:39:43,599 --> 00:39:46,400 boulders lead to a plaza with the sitting area and 620 00:39:46,440 --> 00:39:51,159 trees for shade. Each boulder ranges in size from thirteen 621 00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:56,239 to fifty five inches, corresponding with each of the victims' ages. Wow. 622 00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:59,840 So the youngest victim was thirteen year old Pascual Melvin 623 00:40:00,639 --> 00:40:07,920 Guaciac's feedback from Guatemala. And I think I had mentioned 624 00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:11,559 earlier that his cousin was the fourteen year old from 625 00:40:11,559 --> 00:40:15,320 Whatatemala who was to be ad but wanted to have 626 00:40:15,559 --> 00:40:20,400 money for his yeas or wanted to make money for them, yeah, 627 00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:24,639 to help raise them. Yeah, And the boulder in the 628 00:40:24,679 --> 00:40:27,679 middle of the plaza lists the names of all the 629 00:40:27,800 --> 00:40:32,840 victims and their countries of origin. Before the permanent memorial, 630 00:40:33,079 --> 00:40:37,239 community members had enacted and maintained a mix with memorial 631 00:40:37,320 --> 00:40:40,199 where they often left water bottles and gathered to like 632 00:40:40,239 --> 00:40:47,159 honor the lives that were lost. Oh my god. And yeah, 633 00:40:47,199 --> 00:40:51,639 that's the story of doing twenty twenty two. And if 634 00:40:51,639 --> 00:40:54,880 we just had open borders like this would have never happened, Okay, 635 00:40:55,079 --> 00:40:56,719 And that's kind of like what I wanted to talk 636 00:40:56,760 --> 00:41:04,119 about because and it's so it's like something we're always 637 00:41:04,119 --> 00:41:06,880 talking about, right, But over at Estadia Unknown our history 638 00:41:06,880 --> 00:41:10,199 of podcasts, we did that series on border patrol, right, 639 00:41:10,639 --> 00:41:16,039 and there was a point in time where deterrent policies 640 00:41:16,440 --> 00:41:19,880 were not used, right, And I mean, oh, are you 641 00:41:19,920 --> 00:41:24,239 gonna explain what the deterrent policy is kay, and deterrent 642 00:41:24,360 --> 00:41:31,119 policies are basically when border patrol started using the elements 643 00:41:31,280 --> 00:41:35,840 of the border lands basically to stop migrants from coming. 644 00:41:36,159 --> 00:41:40,159 And so yeah, this includes putting like fances everywhere, forcing 645 00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:43,559 migrants further and further into the deeper Yeah, that's a 646 00:41:43,559 --> 00:41:46,199 better word. Deeper and deeper into the desert. This is 647 00:41:46,239 --> 00:41:51,400 when migrants started dying in the in the deserts. They 648 00:41:51,400 --> 00:41:55,039 were pushed pushed more into dangerous areas of the Rio 649 00:41:55,039 --> 00:42:02,360 Grande River and so leading to more drown deaths. There's hundreds, 650 00:42:02,480 --> 00:42:06,599 hundreds and thousands of people that have lost their lives 651 00:42:06,639 --> 00:42:10,679 crossing into the United States because of these different policies, 652 00:42:11,679 --> 00:42:15,559 and every every year it seems to be getting worse. 653 00:42:15,760 --> 00:42:19,880 Right now, we talked about what is it called Operation 654 00:42:20,800 --> 00:42:24,199 Lone Star Lone Star in Texas, which was what a 655 00:42:24,239 --> 00:42:27,159 few years ago or was it longer ago? It started 656 00:42:28,360 --> 00:42:30,760 a few years ago, Yeah, a few years ago where 657 00:42:31,719 --> 00:42:38,239 Greg Abbad dot bitch. Yeah, basically he put so there's 658 00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:42,760 already deterrent policies forcing migrants into the elements, right, but 659 00:42:42,960 --> 00:42:48,440 he made those elements even worse by putting up essentially traps. Yeah, 660 00:42:48,599 --> 00:42:52,159 death traps, death traps for people, just horrible. And so, 661 00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:57,199 I mean, we talked about briefly about NAFTA. NAFTA is 662 00:42:57,639 --> 00:43:04,360 what does it stand for? National American Fair Trade Agreement Agreement. Yeah, 663 00:43:04,679 --> 00:43:08,360 North American, No North American, North American Fair Trade Agreement, right, 664 00:43:08,639 --> 00:43:12,800 And this was basically to increase free trade among the 665 00:43:12,880 --> 00:43:17,519 North Americas, Canada, Mexico, and the United States. But this 666 00:43:17,639 --> 00:43:24,639 in the process fucking Mexico right, right, So it it 667 00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:29,239 enabled the movement of product, but not people, right, like 668 00:43:29,280 --> 00:43:33,159 fuck those people that make those products, the people that 669 00:43:33,320 --> 00:43:37,639 make this capital. Right, And yeah, it made things worse 670 00:43:37,639 --> 00:43:41,360 for Mexico and the border lands. It led to Machila 671 00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:49,079 Loras factories I guess, yeah, where women were exploited, which 672 00:43:49,119 --> 00:43:53,000 we have talked about because if there's new listeners on 673 00:43:53,039 --> 00:43:56,519 this episode, first, what an episode to join us on. 674 00:43:57,119 --> 00:43:59,159 But oh my god, it's a worse Sorry if this 675 00:43:59,239 --> 00:44:04,719 is your But every March we cover like femicide stories 676 00:44:04,719 --> 00:44:08,559 of femicides from different places in Latin America, and one 677 00:44:08,599 --> 00:44:13,079 of the ones we've done was in Sua. Actually I 678 00:44:13,079 --> 00:44:16,000 think a couple from sud Asquadas, but a lot of 679 00:44:16,039 --> 00:44:20,039 the femicides in Suda aquadas are tied to the machiladas, 680 00:44:20,639 --> 00:44:28,800 where again women are exploited, abused, Yeah, killed. And even 681 00:44:29,079 --> 00:44:33,000 the use of this kind of smuggling operations didn't become 682 00:44:33,039 --> 00:44:38,000 big till after NAFTA either, Right, and there are was 683 00:44:38,039 --> 00:44:41,360 a time where people could just come and go in 684 00:44:41,400 --> 00:44:43,559 the border a lot easier. And like here we have 685 00:44:43,599 --> 00:44:46,760 an example, right there was that Mexican man, the eldest 686 00:44:47,079 --> 00:44:50,159 man who died in this tragedy. He had been living 687 00:44:50,199 --> 00:44:52,320 in the United States for twenty years and if he 688 00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:54,559 had simply been able to come and go, he would 689 00:44:54,559 --> 00:44:58,360 not have lost his life that day. Yeah, and people 690 00:44:58,360 --> 00:45:01,760 have been moving freely in the America because no, of course, 691 00:45:01,920 --> 00:45:06,840 the dawn of the America's migration is a natural human 692 00:45:10,039 --> 00:45:13,159 As my seven year old would say, people can move 693 00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:19,159 like the butterflies exactly. I'm gonna cry again, but like, 694 00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:21,760 I don't know, I don't remember what episode we first did, 695 00:45:21,800 --> 00:45:25,159 like Haunted Stories from the Border. Yeah, and in that episode, 696 00:45:25,159 --> 00:45:28,039 I was like, yeah, open borders, bitch, I don't care. 697 00:45:28,440 --> 00:45:30,639 And someone was like, you sound like someone's the comment 698 00:45:30,639 --> 00:45:38,480 on spot Spotify like pretty much guess what nation? Also 699 00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:43,719 nation nations. When nations were created, they genocided the indigenous people, 700 00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:47,880 So I mean, yeah, you know, And I'm like, I 701 00:45:47,880 --> 00:45:51,400 don't care, Like I leave your angry comment calling me stupid, 702 00:45:51,480 --> 00:45:55,000 I don't care like open borders all day. Yeah, they're like, 703 00:45:55,039 --> 00:45:57,480 what do you think that you actually everyone? Yeah I do. 704 00:45:58,880 --> 00:46:01,719 I'm sorry to say, oh, sorry, like I do. But 705 00:46:01,760 --> 00:46:04,440 that's what I'm saying. Okay, Like if there was a 706 00:46:04,519 --> 00:46:10,039 humane immigration policy which consisted of open which was let 707 00:46:10,079 --> 00:46:14,559 everybody in, people wouldn't stay. Some people, yes, would say here, 708 00:46:14,639 --> 00:46:17,639 make their lives here, but people just like they have 709 00:46:17,920 --> 00:46:21,400 always done so, they would come and go. Okay, And 710 00:46:21,480 --> 00:46:27,199 the United States has basically estorted Latin America for profit 711 00:46:28,079 --> 00:46:31,519 and that pushes people to come here. Everyone should read 712 00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:35,400 The Harvest of Latin America. Yeah, there's a quote in there, 713 00:46:35,440 --> 00:46:37,480 and I wish that this would have gotten more like 714 00:46:37,719 --> 00:46:40,119 views than it did in both TAC Instagram. Not because 715 00:46:40,119 --> 00:46:43,079 I want people to find me, no, because the quote 716 00:46:43,119 --> 00:46:47,320 was so impactful, but basically in Encuarto intimation, the quote 717 00:46:47,360 --> 00:46:52,840 was basically like, if it wasn't for the resources and 718 00:46:53,159 --> 00:46:55,199 like the work of the people of Latin America, the 719 00:46:55,280 --> 00:46:58,239 US wouldn't be what it was exactly. Yeah, the United 720 00:46:58,239 --> 00:47:02,440 States hadn't pillaged Latin America and the world, they wouldn't 721 00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:04,920 be where they're at. And so the only reason I'm 722 00:47:04,920 --> 00:47:07,480 pretty sure the word pillage is in the quote it is. Yeah, 723 00:47:07,519 --> 00:47:09,800 it is and yeah, And that's why I said in 724 00:47:09,840 --> 00:47:11,679 the at the top of the episode, like to me, 725 00:47:11,800 --> 00:47:14,559 it felt important, like, yes, this is hard to talk about, 726 00:47:16,320 --> 00:47:18,239 but I feel the need. I feel the need to 727 00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:24,079 talk about this because we were born by happen stance 728 00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:29,239 on this side of a made up border and because 729 00:47:29,599 --> 00:47:36,199 of no control of my own. You know, I am privileged, right, 730 00:47:37,239 --> 00:47:41,000 but had I been on the other side, outside of 731 00:47:41,199 --> 00:47:45,880 the empire, that could have been me on that trailer. 732 00:47:45,920 --> 00:47:47,400 And I'm not saying I care because it could have 733 00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:49,119 been me. I'm saying we should all care because the 734 00:47:49,199 --> 00:47:52,599 United States forces these conditions and causes these deaths, and 735 00:47:52,679 --> 00:47:54,679 so we all have blood on our hands. I'm sorry 736 00:47:54,719 --> 00:48:00,320 to say. Yeah. And because we all have that, it 737 00:48:00,400 --> 00:48:04,519 is I think a requirement that we learn these people's names. 738 00:48:04,679 --> 00:48:09,440 We have a responsibility, yeah, to bear witness, to share 739 00:48:09,480 --> 00:48:14,719 their stories, to take accountability, because the reason we have 740 00:48:14,840 --> 00:48:19,119 cheap products, cheap services is because of the pillaging, right, 741 00:48:19,159 --> 00:48:27,719 because of capitalism. And capitalism drives immigration. Capitalism needs immigration. Yeah, 742 00:48:27,760 --> 00:48:32,760 and no matter the amount of deterrence that are put 743 00:48:32,800 --> 00:48:36,639 in place, no matter the amount of like punishment that's 744 00:48:36,679 --> 00:48:39,559 put in place, people will come here and they will 745 00:48:39,599 --> 00:48:45,719 continue to die because of the United States immigration policies. Yeah. Yeah, 746 00:48:45,960 --> 00:48:48,960 and I think on that very depressing note, if we 747 00:48:49,599 --> 00:48:57,280 will end the episode. Yeah, but yeah, I don't know, 748 00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:02,440 look up a local or doing something to help migrants, Like, 749 00:49:02,519 --> 00:49:04,920 there's so many girl fundmes for people that have been 750 00:49:04,960 --> 00:49:09,519 detained and are now out of these detention centers. And 751 00:49:09,559 --> 00:49:11,559 if you don't have it, get some empathy, okay, because 752 00:49:11,559 --> 00:49:14,679 you're not better. No, you're not better than the migrant 753 00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:18,599 who came here in a truck, you know what I mean, 754 00:49:18,719 --> 00:49:22,119 You're not better than them. No, no, but I'm I 755 00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:25,800 implore someone or you listening right now to go find 756 00:49:25,840 --> 00:49:27,519 one of those go fund means. There's so many. I 757 00:49:27,559 --> 00:49:29,360 really don't feel like I need to link like the 758 00:49:29,440 --> 00:49:33,960 hundreds that I have found. Yeah, do five dollars at 759 00:49:33,960 --> 00:49:36,440 a time. But yeah, there's so many pages sharing them, 760 00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:40,320 we repost them all the time, and so many local organizations, 761 00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:43,360 local groups that are finding the good fight. And I'm 762 00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:46,320 sure there's one year you there's no doubt. There's no 763 00:49:46,360 --> 00:49:56,920 doubt there is so yeah. Other than that, don't despair. Okay, nice, yes, 764 00:49:57,119 --> 00:50:00,599 and stay Spookie. We'll catch everyone next time. Bye bye. 765 00:50:02,039 --> 00:50:05,000 As Booktels is hosted by Christina and Carmen, produced and 766 00:50:05,119 --> 00:50:08,599 edited by Christina, researched by Christina Carmen and with the 767 00:50:08,599 --> 00:50:11,280 help of Don Shout Out Don. 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