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Speaker 1: Golf Smarter number three hundred and forty seven, published on

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August twenty one, twenty twelve.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to Golf Smarter Mulligans, your second chance to gain

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Speaker 3: When you're out there in the heat, the body's trying

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to dissipate the heat, and that's why you sweat when

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the humidity is up. And when you combine the heat

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and the humidity, it forms the heat index. And I

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mean you can have kind of serious days even when

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the temperatures are in the upper eighties. If the humidity

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is very high, that can raise the heat index to

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levels that can be somewhat dangerous. And what happens is

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the higher the heat index goes, the tougher it is

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for that sweat to evaporate. And when the sweat evaporates,

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that's when the body kind of cools itself. So because

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that can't happen efficiently, the internal body temperature starts to

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go up. And that's when you get into stuff like

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I say, the heat cramps, and at some point you

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may even stop sweating because the mechanism's shutting down and

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you don't want to even get to that point. And

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that's why it's important to make sure that you start

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drinking early and drink often throughout the round.

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Speaker 1: Increased focus through hydration and our Short Game Academy.

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Speaker 4: This is Golf.

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Speaker 2: Smarter sharing tips and insights from golfers and golf professionals

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to help lower your score. It's worked for your host Fred.

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Speaker 1: Green Hey, Before we get into our interview with Bob

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Forman on how to increase your focus through better hydration,

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I want to let you know that Golf Smarter is

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taking a brief two week hiatus because I'm moving thing.

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After living and working in this home for more than

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twenty years, my wife and I are finally downsizing. So

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when I return with a new episode scheduled for the

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week of September tenth, we'll either hear more from Bob

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Foreman or comedian Paul meyer Hogg talking about his traveling

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comedy golf Troup The Hackers. I've also scheduled Jeff Mangum,

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recognized as one of the world's foremost putting experts and

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the longtime putting guru of golf Smarter to join us

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for a couple of shows right after that. I appreciate

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your patience and I hope you will continue to download

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the show when we come back. Now, Welcome to the

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Golf Smarter Podcast, Bob.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Fred.

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Speaker 1: How are you.

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Speaker 3: I'm doing good.

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Speaker 1: I'm doing well and love to talk about fitness. Golf

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fitness seems to be one of those one of those

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items in the golfer's bag that gets forgotten about on

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a regular basis.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, definitely, And it's definitely a spoke on the golf

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development wheel that a lot of people don't really think about,

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don't realize, aren't aware, but it's a significant spoke to

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help them better their games. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I love that analogy of that metaphor of using it

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as a spoke, because you know, part of the wheel

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is going to break down if you don't have everything

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strong exactly.

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Speaker 3: I mean, you know, with the skill piece, you know,

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the lessons that golfers take, the equipment piece, I mean,

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those are all important. Those of all especially the equipment

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has gotten better over the years. But you know, I

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usually correlate that to somebody who goes out and buys

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a used car and the car does run all that well,

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and goes out and spends a lot of money to

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put four new tires on it, thinking it's going to

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make the car run better, But you're still stuck with

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that mechanism that's driving a car, and that's the engine.

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In this case, it's the golfer himself. And most golfers

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don't realize that it's their own bodies that are holding

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them back from better golf.

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Speaker 1: So let's not assume that people are going to start

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losing weight and go on diets just so they can

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improve their golf. But you don't have to have the

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Tiger Woods type of body, the Olympic style body specimen

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to be an efficient golfer, do you.

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Speaker 3: Oh, No, definitely not. And I think a lot of people,

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you know, are kind of reluctant to get into golf

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fitness programs because they feel that, you know, geezo, I

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got to run a five K do I have to

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lift my body weight? And it's really not about that,

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and it's really yeah, I mean, it's really about kind

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of identifying where the deficiencies are the anatomical deficiencies, the

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muscle tightness, the muscle weakness, and the muscle imbalance. And

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then once you identify those to target an exercise program

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to correct those. And when you do that, you're going

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to allow the golfer to move more efficiently and therefore

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they're going to be able to swing the better golf club.

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Speaker 1: So that was my next question is what will the

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golfer notice once they start correcting those inefficiencies.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean within a relatively short period of time,

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within six weeks, four to six weeks. Really, it really

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depends on how consistent they are with the program. I mean, obviously,

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if they're not going to do it, they're not going

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to see results. I mean, you've got to put a

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little effort into this. You know, in the society that

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we're in where everybody wants it yesterday, you know, it

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takes a little effort. But if they stay pretty consistent

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with their programs, like I say, in a relatively short

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period of time, they're going to feel more flexibility, they're

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going to have more range of motion, they're going to

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be making better ball contact distance and we all know

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distance is still king in golf. They're going to be

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able to get down the fairway another ten to fifteen

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twenty yards. I mean, even some of the eighty year

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olds that I'm working with in a relatively short period

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of time, they come back all exciting the fact that

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they're now, you know, starting to drive the ball past

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their other golfing buddies. So I mean, you're going to

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find these results fairly quickly, and it really all depends

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on your compliance with the exercise.

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Speaker 1: Program, right right. I don't want to correct anything you're saying.

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But here at Golf Smarter, we're more focused. We're not

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focused on distance. We're focused more on accuracy. Like we

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like to say, I would much rather have ten feet

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closer than ten yards farther any day, you know so,

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But so it's beyond that. I didn't want to say, well,

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I mean, everybody loves distance, but come on, folks, get

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over it.

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Speaker 3: But I mean, you know, the other thing is if

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you have deficiencies, and if you combine those with poor

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swing mechanics. In a lot of instances, the anatomical deficiencies

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are causing those poor swing mechanics. In some cases it's

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just bad habits. But when you combine those two, the

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inconsistency of which you're swinging the golf club is not

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going to afford you the accuracy that you talk about

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and or the distance. So once you get into a

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program in you start correcting those deficiencies, your ball contact

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is going to improve tremendously.

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Speaker 1: And I want to establish that you don't come to

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this as a PGA certified instructor. You give us a

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little of your history so we can establish your credibility

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on why we're talking about fitness with you.

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Speaker 3: Well, I have a master's degree in exercise physiology, which

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means I studied the effects of exercise on the body.

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And I've been in the fitness field for just over

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thirty years, a lot with people with low back issues,

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and I mean with golf gosh, I mean, that's number

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one in terms of injury. So that's helped me work

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with a lot of golfers to get them back out

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on the golf course. And then back in two thousand

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and six went down to the World Golf Fitness Summit

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that was presented by the titleist performance folks Greig Rose

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and Dave Phillips, and the three day workshop was phenomenal.

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I mean, it was one of those wow moments. And

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I think Golf Week magazine even said this now has

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become golf's new obsession, and it basically changed the game overnight,

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and you know, it introduced a whole new spoke of

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the wheels we talked about. And so I came back

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and I run a medical fitness center in North Carolina

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and started a little golf fitness academy and putting some

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of those the things that we learned to practice, and

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I was seeing that these people that were coming through

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the program were coming back with some real positive feedback.

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So I went back and got certified with TPI, and

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I've also have gotten certifications through Flexor, which is a

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neuromuscular type program for golf brain body type connection. And

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then I've also studied a lot of Gary Gray stuff,

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who has now affiliated himself with Nike, and Gary does

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movement science, sees up I believe in Michigan does a

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lot with biomechanics and phenomenal stuff. So I mean, it's

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real good stuff. I love it my passion and I

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just love to see golfers improve. And my biggest thrill

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is getting people back out on the golf course who

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have been injured.

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Speaker 1: You brought up lower back issues, and I've talked about that.

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We've talked about TPI a lot. I've actually had many

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TPI instructors from all over the United States on the

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Golf Smarter podcast and just fascinated by what they bring

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to the table. But when you talk about lower back issues,

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I'm someone who has suffered from that and have tried

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to do pilates and yoga, and I do yoga on

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a regular basis. But what I've found personally is that

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my biggest issues are sitting because I basically sit at

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my desk doing computer work all day and sleeping, and

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I have more pain in the morning when I wake

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up before I do my stretching exercises than I do

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it any other time. And also I've noticed that after

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I finished a round of golf, I feel better. It's

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to me, it's it's not golf that's wiping out my back.

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You know, it's not the the left to right lateral

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movement that that's hurting me. It's the you know, the

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bad position in bed and on my chair. And I've

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even spent a lot of money on chairs.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, Well, I mean, I mean there's two

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things that general lead up to discomfort or injury, and

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low back is very prevalent obviously across the board. I

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mean with all types of golfers, amateurs, professionals alike, men

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and women, And I mean physically, there are specific deficiencies

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in the muscle groups. Like mostly in guys, it deals

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with tight hamstrings. You know, can you touch your toes

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and if you can't, it means your hamstrings are tight.

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And that's one of the biggest factories that lead up

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to bad backs because of the relationship that the hamstrings

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have to the hip bone, and then how it pulls

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the hip bone out of balance and that causes a

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straightening of the lumbar spine and that puts more pressure

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on the disks and so on and so on and

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so on. And women we tend to see more tightness

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in the hip flexors, which are muscles in the front

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part of the hip, and that kind of does the reverse.

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It pulls the hip forward and causes more arching of

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the lower back. And you see a lot of s

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posture type address positions in women when they're standing over

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the ball. It's more prevalent in women. Those two can

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physically cause problems with the lower back. Now, When you

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combine that with swing faults like reverse spine, like early extension,

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where the hips are moving towards the ball, like s posture,

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as we talked about, that's a perfect storm for back issues.

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Excuse me, I wrote a whole article and I've got

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this whole workshop about the anatomy of a sitter and

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how sitting impacts your golf game because when you sit,

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the body adapts to the positions that you place it

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in most of the time. And we're seeing a lot

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of sea posture these days, even in younger golfers. I mean,

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it used to be kind of an old golfers disease.

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You know, as you got older, you just tended to

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kind of lose your posture and you got a little

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more bode in the upper back, and so you would

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kind of hunch over the ball. But we're seeing that

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now a lot with younger golfers because of the computer

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and being over the computer all day and when you

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sit over a computer, and the same thing with dentists.

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I mean, all my dentists have ce posture because they're

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hunched over their patients. So what happens there is you

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tighten the muscles in the front part of the body,

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in the chest area. You elongate the muscles in the

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upper back. And when you shorten muscles, you tighten, and

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when you elongate, you weaken, So you start to get

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that rounded shoulder posture and you take that out on

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the golf course. In the lower body, when you sit,

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you basically shorten your hamstrings and you shorten your hip flexers,

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So there's the dynamic two. You also elongate your gluts,

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which are your butt muscles, and that's really where you

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get a lot of power from in the golf swing,

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and you shorten the quad muscles in the front part

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of your thigh. So the fact that you're tightening your

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hip flexers and your and your hamstrings are going to

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set you up anatomically for back issues. And then when

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you go out there and start swinging the golf club,

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you know, in many cases that can add too. In

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your case, it's probably loosening you up. So you're feeling

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a little bit better after the after the golf game,

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but at some point that may come back to bite you.

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Speaker 1: Oh it does, it's not. At some point. It's a

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regular thing. I also have noticed that when I remember

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to lower no, to quiet my lower body on my swing,

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because I've I've had an issue with the sway left

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and right sway on my swing. But when I remember

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to quiet my lower body those rounds, I feel much

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better as well than in my back.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And you know, talking about Gary Gray, he has

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this thing. A lot of times. We find tightness in

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the mid back and the thoracic spot and the same

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thing again because a lot of people sit and they're

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hunched over stuff or just from inactivity, and when you're

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tight in the mid back, and again I see this

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a lot. What happens is rotation in the upper body

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is supposed to come mainly from the thoracic spine the

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mid back, not the lower back. A lot of people

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think that their rotation is going to come from their

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lower back, and the lower back really is geared more

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for flextion front to back, and it's more geared for stability,

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not mobility. So when your mid back is tight and

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you're bringing the club back, it's only going to go

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back so far. In order for you to get the

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club back further, you're going to have to recruit the

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lower back and again, the lower back just doesn't like that.

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the lower back and that's going to add to the

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issues as well. So that's still a whole nother component

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Speaker 1: Sure, very interesting. You tell me about you You said

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articles you you have articles online that you've written about

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these topics.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I've put together a kind of an educational golf

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fitness website. So there's a bunch of articles on there,

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again based on my experiences working in the fitness field,

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and uh, you know, just the stuff that I've learned

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through TPI and through Gary Gray and through the Flexor program.

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Speaker 1: No, no, don't do that, all right now you can.

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Speaker 3: It's the w w W.

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Speaker 1: No, it's not. There's no doubt. You don't need that anymore.

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Speaker 4: Go ahead, Oh you know, yeah, you really don't.

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Speaker 3: Golf golffit Carolina dot com. There's one F and one T,

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so it's like golf it Carolina.

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Speaker 1: Oh, I'm glad you you clarified that. Golfit Carolina le

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f I T Carolina dot com. Okay, golf it Carolina

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dot com. And I will definitely put links in our

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show notes as well, so that people just get into

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golf Smarter dot com and they go right to it,

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or go ahead, go to golf a Carolina dot com.

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Just make sure you say golf it. So the article

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that you wrote that I read that, I just like,

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of course, why aren't we talking about this is about hydration,

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is about making sure that when it's hot outside and

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you're playing, that you take care of yourself. Let's let's

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talk about that for a minute.

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Speaker 3: M Yeah, I mean, uh, you know, with the summer here,

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you know, one of the things that a lot of

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people don't think about is the heat and the humidity

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and being down south there. And actually just kind of

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you know, with the PGA event that just took place

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at Kiwa, you know, made me think about what the

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golfers were going to face out there, especially being a

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little further south and you know, in the environment, and

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how much it can take a toll out of your

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game if you're not really prepared to play in that environment.

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So you know, that kind of led me to write

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the article. But it's really key to get yourself to

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acclimate to the weather conditions, whether it be the heat

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and humanity or the cold so that your body can

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function more efficiently, but especially I think in more of

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the warmer environments where it really kind of takes a

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toll and and your golf game can suffer if you

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if you're not prepared to play in those conditions, or

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if you don't kind of plan for you know, keeping

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hydrated and stuff like that. And like I say, you'll suffer,

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not fun.

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Speaker 1: No describe suffer. I mean what are we talking about

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here that you're not going to make it through your round?

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Or when you say suffer, what are you thinking of?

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean getting into things like you know, heat

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cramps and heat exhaustion and heat stroke. Not fun stuff.

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I mean hydration is key, and even small percentages of

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dehydration can really have an impact on the way you function,

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the muscle contractions, the brain, body nerve pathway and the

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function you know, the way that functions. Uh So, I

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mean hydration is vital when you're out there, especially when

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you're trying to perform an activity, because that what happens

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is it kind of takes the fluid out of the blood,

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and your blood becomes very discussed and then that causes

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your heart to work harder and that can lead to

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some you know, more serious stuff that you don't want

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to have to happen. So it's important to make sure

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that you're drinking water. And really that's that's the best

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thing that you can that you can drink while you're

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outside in an activity is just plain old water. If

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you tend to sweat a lot, you know, that's the

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time to maybe start reaching for an electrolyte replacement drink

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to help get some of the minerals the potassium and

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the magnesium, the calcium and other essential minerals back into

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your system that you're going to lose through your sweat.

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But it can really make or break your game.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, I think that for me when I've

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I've had the situation where the wheels fall off the wagon.

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You know, you get to the fifteen sixteenth hole and

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all of a sudden, nothing is working and you're starting

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to ache and everything is bad. I've found that when

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I hydrate throughout my round that that happens a lot less.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean, you know, when you're out there in

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the heat, the body's trying to dissipate the heat, and

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that's why you sweat. When the humidity is up, and

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when you combine the heat and the humidity, it forms

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the heat index. And I mean you can have kind

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of serious days even when the temperatures are in the

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upper eighties. If the humidity is very high, that can

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raise the heat index to levels that can be somewhat dangerous.

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the tougher it is for that sweat to evaporate. And

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when the sweat evaporates, that's when the body kind of

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cools itself. So because that can't happen efficiently, the internal

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body temperature starts to go up, and that's when you

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get into stuff like I say, the heat cramps. And

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at some point, you know, you may even stop sweating

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because the mechanism is shutting down, and you know you can.

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that's why it's important to make sure that you start

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drinking early and drink often throughout the round. I mean.

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The other thing that you can also do to prepare

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yourself is nowadays, you know, with the sweat wicking materials

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that are coming out, you know, polyester's making a comeback

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through the sweat wicking apparel, and that helps draw that

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moisture away from the body and helps to dissipate it

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into the environment so that it can keep you cooler

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while you're playing around the golf. So that's definitely an

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advantage that we have nowadays that you know, is popular

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and will probably continue to gain popularity as the science

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gets better in that regards.

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Speaker 1: So, even if you do sweat a lot, having the

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sweat stay on your body is bad as opposed to

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it dissipating through the wicking material.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, the reason you sweat is that you want to

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be able to have that sweat evaporate, and when it does,

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it cools the body. Okay, So it does that through

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various processes. You know, the wind. If there's a wind

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that's whipping around, that helps draw heat away from the body.

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The sweat that rating helps draw heat away from the body.

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up and the moisture in the air is higher than

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the moisture on your skin, then the evaporation rate decreases,

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so the sweat basically just stays on your skin instead

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of getting evaporated, and that's when the cooling mechanism tends

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to become compromised to the point where you can get

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into those those heat disorders.

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Speaker 1: Okay, I'm gonna throw out a couple words here and

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I'll let you riff on them. Right, I'll just toss

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these out and you give me assessment. Good bad, don't

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do that, try that enhance that. Okay, So you talked

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about water. Okay, yeah, room temperature or iceed.

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Speaker 3: They say that the colder the better because it tends

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to get absorbed faster into the gut.

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Speaker 1: Interesting. Okay, the electrolyte drinks your favorite.

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Speaker 3: I like the electrolyte replacement tablets. There's one out there

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called Noon and Uun. The reason being is that you know,

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the electrolyte drinks are getting better and cutting back on

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the sugar and the calories, but you just don't know

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which ones are. Which the electrolyte tablets are. You buy

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them in a tube and basically they're like alcacelsor you

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buy a sixteen ounce bottle of water and you kind

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of PLoP the tablet into the bottle and it fizzes,

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and they come in different flavors and it gives you

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the electrolyte replacements that the other sports drinks offer, but

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there's only six six or seven calories per tablet, so

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per bottle and no sugar.

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Speaker 1: Oh that's great tip, thank you. And you said they

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are flavored. But if you get non flavored because just

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prefer water, do they have them to just don't have

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any impact on the taste.

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Speaker 3: I don't know.

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Speaker 1: Okay, we'll find that out. So we're going to google,

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and you you n while you answer my next question.

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And now I'm just throwing softballs at you because I

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have a feeling I know where this one's gonna go. Beer.

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Speaker 3: Well, beer is a diuretic, so I mean it's gonna

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help to draw water out of your system. So I mean, again,

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you want to avoid becoming dehydrated. So not a good

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thing to have out in the golf course on a hot,

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humid dig you know, or at least not in excess,

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let's put it that way. But after around they go

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for it.

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Speaker 1: And if you are going to have a beer with

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your buddies while you're playing, mix it up with water,

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do you know one after the other or just try

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to avoid it.

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Speaker 3: Well, I mean, you know, like if they say everything

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in moderation, uh, you know, some of these guys out

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there that are pounding the beers, especially on the hot,

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humid days. It's probably not a good idea.

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Speaker 1: Okay. By the way, uh noon noon, n U U

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N Optimal Hydration their websites down right now, but it

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is at n U U N dot com if anybody

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wants to look, and they have it available at Amazon

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and drugstore dot com. It's all over the place, So

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definitely look into that.

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Speaker 3: H Cyclist started that stuff, or I should say it

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started in the cyclists bike bikers now and then then

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it got into runners, and now they're really pushing it

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to golfers. And uh, i'd say, I sweat a lot,

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and so you know, I've tried it, and you know,

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I've felt it really helps, especially like you say, in

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the back nine when when normally you start dragging. Uh,

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it's really helped me stay, you know, in the game.

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Speaker 1: Nice.

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Speaker 3: Nice to come out now with one that also has

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vitamins in it as well. Okay, vitamin waters and stuff.

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Speaker 1: Yep, yep, yeah, all right, I'm gonna throw another one. Coffee.

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Speaker 3: Coffee also is diuretic, so again it's kind of kind

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of draw water out of the system, so you gotta

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be careful with that I would put that with the

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beer category, you know, in moderation, don't go too crazy

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with it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And and caffeine, I mean, even if you're drinking

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decaf or caffeine. But how about you know, like caffeinated

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sodas coke?

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Speaker 3: I mean, yeah, I mean they're not you know, soda

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is in general, I don't really provide much in terms

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of minerals or vitamins or anything like that. And if

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you enjoy the taste, go for it. You know, there's

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not as much caffeine in those things, so you know,

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if that's what you prefer that.

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Speaker 1: And and what about caffeine in it during a round

477
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of golf? I mean, is it gonna fire you up,

478
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it's gonna get you going, or is like just no

479
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impact at all?

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, Fred, that really depends upon the individual.

481
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Speaker 1: Okay.

482
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Speaker 3: You know some people can can down a gallon of

483
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coffee and go to sleep, while some people, you know,

484
00:28:13,839 --> 00:28:16,279
can have a cup of coffee and they'd be up

485
00:28:16,279 --> 00:28:16,720
all night.

486
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Speaker 1: I'll tell you, if I have a cup of coffee

487
00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,720
after ten am, I cannot. I can't go to sleep

488
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at night. Yeah, I mean I'm a decatch.

489
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Speaker 3: Yeah, And it's gonna it's gonna get the system going.

490
00:28:28,920 --> 00:28:30,440
I mean, it's gonna get the heart rate up a

491
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little bit possibly again. And that affects people differently. I

492
00:28:33,799 --> 00:28:37,559
get heart palpitations if I have too much caffeine, So

493
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I mean, it does impact people differently. And you just

494
00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,920
got to kind of gauge for yourself, you know, how

495
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you react to stuff, like, you know, caffeine and beer

496
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and all that.

497
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Speaker 1: And since we're talking about sweating and oversweating and whatnot,

498
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I have to throw this one out. I was watching

499
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the PGA Championship this year online. I was listening to

500
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:05,759
their announcers. I wasn't doing it on television, and they

501
00:29:05,839 --> 00:29:08,000
brought up a tip that I'd never heard and I

502
00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:11,920
thought was absolutely wonderful and I wanted to make sure

503
00:29:11,960 --> 00:29:15,559
that I share it. And that was towel maintenance during

504
00:29:15,599 --> 00:29:21,000
your round of golf. Towel towel maintenance. And what they

505
00:29:21,000 --> 00:29:24,519
were saying is make sure that you use one end

506
00:29:24,559 --> 00:29:26,920
of the towel for cleaning the ball in your club

507
00:29:26,960 --> 00:29:30,720
faces and the other end of the towel for wiping

508
00:29:30,759 --> 00:29:32,440
off your face in your hands.

509
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:34,640
Speaker 3: That's probably a good idea.

510
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Speaker 1: I was like, oh my god, that's so simple. I've

511
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never even thought about that, and I have many times

512
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wiped my face with the muddy end of a towel.

513
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Speaker 3: Well, if you're on national TV and you get money

514
00:29:47,359 --> 00:29:49,400
on your face, that probably wouldn't be too good.

515
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Speaker 1: Big disgrace played all over the place. We will rock

516
00:29:54,279 --> 00:29:59,759
you mud on your I'm sorry, fascinating stuff. I appreciate

517
00:29:59,759 --> 00:30:03,119
your time, Bob, and again tell everyone to I will

518
00:30:03,119 --> 00:30:07,440
do this. Go to golfit Carolina dot com and if

519
00:30:07,480 --> 00:30:12,160
someone wants to come and see you, where are you specifically?

520
00:30:13,200 --> 00:30:18,640
Speaker 3: I am in Greensboro, North Carolina or high Point, North Carolina,

521
00:30:19,240 --> 00:30:24,000
and I'm also down in North Myrtle Beach, South Carolina.

522
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:29,400
And I enjoy offering golf fitness seminars to clubs and

523
00:30:29,480 --> 00:30:31,559
organizations that don't charge anything for him.

524
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:33,079
Speaker 1: So, oh, it's nice of you.

525
00:30:33,279 --> 00:30:35,119
Speaker 3: If anybody would like to offer.

526
00:30:35,119 --> 00:30:36,640
Speaker 1: Then why am I paying so much to have you

527
00:30:36,680 --> 00:30:46,359
on the show. I don't know, Just kidding, Bob. I've

528
00:30:46,400 --> 00:30:49,240
really enjoyed speaking with you, and I've gotten a lot

529
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:53,160
of really valuable information. Hopefully someone else has as well.

530
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:54,960
Thanks so much for being on Golf Smarter.

531
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Speaker 3: Well, I appreciate the opportunity anytime.

532
00:31:02,039 --> 00:31:05,400
Speaker 1: Ooh hey, new music. That's right, because in just a

533
00:31:05,480 --> 00:31:08,640
moment we will bring on Terry Taylor in our inaugural

534
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:20,119
score Zone Short Game Academy. But first and now, without

535
00:31:20,160 --> 00:31:23,279
further ado, i'd like to bring back Terry Taylor, CEO

536
00:31:23,519 --> 00:31:26,559
of score Golf and known on his blog as the

537
00:31:26,599 --> 00:31:30,359
Wedge Guy. Welcome to the Short Game Academy, Terry. It

538
00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:32,400
is great to have you back and to get this

539
00:31:32,559 --> 00:31:33,599
program started.

540
00:31:34,319 --> 00:31:35,240
Speaker 4: Well, I'm happy to be here.

541
00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:39,039
Speaker 5: It's always fun you're actually addressing a real question from

542
00:31:39,079 --> 00:31:41,759
a real reader or listener. I write my blog twice

543
00:31:41,799 --> 00:31:44,599
a week, and sometime quite often I'm making up topics

544
00:31:44,640 --> 00:31:47,480
just what I think is interesting today. But this is

545
00:31:47,480 --> 00:31:49,720
fun when somebody has an issue that I can hopefully

546
00:31:49,759 --> 00:31:53,160
help them through, and then everybody else can learn something too,

547
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:53,960
hopefully well.

548
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 1: And I won't take that personally that my questions aren't

549
00:31:56,400 --> 00:31:59,680
good enough in the podcast, but that's okay. I like

550
00:31:59,680 --> 00:32:02,559
get other questions as well because it gives me a

551
00:32:02,559 --> 00:32:05,640
completely different perspective and I like to hear what people

552
00:32:05,680 --> 00:32:08,240
are saying. So, just to help set this up and

553
00:32:08,319 --> 00:32:12,680
let everybody know, if you click on the score Short

554
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,599
Game Academy button at golfsmarter dot com. You'll be able

555
00:32:15,640 --> 00:32:18,599
to submit your question to Terry, and then every question

556
00:32:18,640 --> 00:32:22,880
that comes in I forward to Terry. Terry reviews every question.

557
00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:27,200
He'll respond to your questions, and if he thinks it's

558
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:31,839
appropriate that it's a question that everybody will get something from,

559
00:32:32,119 --> 00:32:34,440
he'll pick one or two and we'll do them here

560
00:32:34,920 --> 00:32:38,519
on the Short Game Academy. And if Terry chooses your question,

561
00:32:38,559 --> 00:32:40,559
and I really have nothing to do with what he's choosing,

562
00:32:40,599 --> 00:32:43,400
I send them all. If he picks your question, you

563
00:32:43,519 --> 00:32:48,160
will receive a free I don't want to call it

564
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:52,000
a wedge, a scoring club from a score forty one

565
00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:55,400
to sixty one that'll be customized to your fit. And

566
00:32:55,599 --> 00:32:59,240
also you'll get a divit tool from golf Smarter so

567
00:32:59,319 --> 00:33:01,440
that when you more greens, you'll be able to fix

568
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:04,799
your marks and become a better golf citizen. So let's

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get right to it and go to our first question

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that you've selected. This one's from John Shields of Davis, California,

571
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and he says, Terry, I'm a big fan of what

572
00:33:13,359 --> 00:33:15,960
you're doing over at score and he also comment said

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he's a longtime golf Smarter listener. Thank you, very much, John.

574
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His question is about the fifty to sixty yard approach shot,

575
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which is the bane of my existence as well. He says,

576
00:33:26,319 --> 00:33:29,440
for some reason, this in between distance results in undue

577
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trepidation for me. Any shorter and I can easily pitch

578
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or bump up a shot, and longer is an easy

579
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three quarter wedge, but cannot figure out what the most

580
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reliable play is from fifty to sixty yards.

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Speaker 5: Well, that's a shot that gives everybody a lot of trouble, John,

582
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That half wedge, the dreaded half wedge, as we call it.

583
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But there's a way to get around this, and it's

584
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learning a good technique. You indicated the three quarter wedge

585
00:33:57,079 --> 00:34:01,480
you're more comfortable with. Golfers should learn is how to

586
00:34:01,519 --> 00:34:05,440
make a reliable half swing. When I say a half swing,

587
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what I mean is where your backswing position puts your

588
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hands roughly about opposite of your of your right armpit,

589
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so your your left arm is about parallel with the ground.

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It's not further back than that. And your hint, your

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hands do not hinge a lot, just a little bit.

592
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One of the things I think I mentioned in earlier

593
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broadcast is really go watch Steve Stricker going on YouTube

594
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and find videos as Steve Stricker and watch how simple

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00:34:31,280 --> 00:34:34,639
his swing is. But your your hands are halfway back

596
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to halfway through, so your follow through is again your

597
00:34:37,320 --> 00:34:41,679
hands end up about shoulder high, complete body turn. Take

598
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,079
your take your sand wedge or your lob wedge, your

599
00:34:44,079 --> 00:34:47,760
gap wedge, and go out and just practice this half

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swing uh until you get it really grooved. Hit a

601
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lot of golf balls with this. You can go to

602
00:34:52,920 --> 00:34:55,280
a ball field or a vacant lot and with your

603
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:57,119
own shag bag and do this, But you gotta hit

604
00:34:57,119 --> 00:34:58,719
a lot of shots to get the feel for this

605
00:34:58,800 --> 00:35:02,719
half swing where you can rep implicate this reliably. Then

606
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:05,559
go through the high loft clubs in your set and

607
00:35:06,079 --> 00:35:08,880
see what happens with the sixty degree with this half swing,

608
00:35:08,920 --> 00:35:11,440
what happens with the fifty six or fifty four, you know,

609
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whatever high loft clubs you're carrying. See what happens and

610
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,440
how far the ball carries with each of these swings.

611
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Then you can go out on the golf course. You

612
00:35:20,280 --> 00:35:22,039
can find out how far it's going to roll out

613
00:35:22,079 --> 00:35:25,039
with each of these swings, and with three or four

614
00:35:25,079 --> 00:35:27,320
of your high loft golf clubs and this one swing,

615
00:35:27,920 --> 00:35:30,159
you'll end up with five or six different shots you

616
00:35:30,159 --> 00:35:34,639
can hit with reliability and repeatability because you've practiced it

617
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and you know what that half swing feels like. You

618
00:35:38,159 --> 00:35:41,360
can even dissect that further if you want, in these

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half swings by gripping down on the club a little further,

620
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which I talk about in my book The Score Method,

621
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which is available on score golf dot com for a

622
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,119
free download of our book called The Score Method, and

623
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it really dives into the details of using your hand

624
00:35:56,760 --> 00:36:00,000
position on the grip to change how far the ball

625
00:36:00,039 --> 00:36:03,280
all will fly. So with your full swing and these

626
00:36:03,320 --> 00:36:06,320
different hand positions and four or five clubs, you've got

627
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ten or twelve yardages. With your new half swing that

628
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,920
you're learning and four or five clubs a couple of

629
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hand positions, you've got another eight or ten yards, and

630
00:36:15,239 --> 00:36:18,760
you'll find that you can dissect everything inside full swing,

631
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:23,039
pitching wedge down to the grip down half sixty maybe

632
00:36:23,039 --> 00:36:26,159
a forty yard shot, and you can really dissect the

633
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golf course. So practice that half swing, learn it, learn it,

634
00:36:30,639 --> 00:36:33,880
and just memorize it, and then use your different clubs

635
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:37,159
with that half swing to get the different yardages you're

636
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after and.

637
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Speaker 1: Always try to remember too to avoid that opportunity, right,

638
00:36:43,119 --> 00:36:46,639
I mean, like for me the chess match in golf,

639
00:36:46,679 --> 00:36:52,079
of playing from the pin backwards, I try to position

640
00:36:52,159 --> 00:36:54,679
myself so I don't put myself in a fifty to

641
00:36:54,719 --> 00:36:58,679
sixty yard shot. I really try to avoid that, which

642
00:36:58,760 --> 00:37:01,159
means don't hit a driver. Fight need to if I

643
00:37:01,199 --> 00:37:04,840
can get myself, especially with the confidence that I've I've

644
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:09,039
gotten using the score forty one sixty one wedges man,

645
00:37:09,159 --> 00:37:12,840
you put that forty six degree in my hands from

646
00:37:13,079 --> 00:37:15,480
one hundred and ten yards and I feel like I'm

647
00:37:15,480 --> 00:37:18,559
going to hit the stick. So especially on a par five,

648
00:37:18,639 --> 00:37:20,119
if I'm two hundred and fifty out, I know I

649
00:37:20,119 --> 00:37:22,239
want to go one hundred and forty. I don't want

650
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to hit it, you know, So I'm fifty yards out

651
00:37:24,559 --> 00:37:26,079
from the green, I don't want to take a long club.

652
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Speaker 5: That's a very smart strategy for all golfers. If you

653
00:37:29,679 --> 00:37:32,159
find and I call it the go to shot, and

654
00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,360
it may be that you just have great confidence in

655
00:37:34,400 --> 00:37:36,400
your gap wedge, or you have great confidence in your

656
00:37:36,440 --> 00:37:39,639
peak club, but you'll find a yardage that you just

657
00:37:39,760 --> 00:37:42,480
know poat eighty nine or ninety four or one hundred

658
00:37:42,519 --> 00:37:44,239
and two or one hundred and ten. This is the

659
00:37:44,320 --> 00:37:47,719
yardage I feel really confident in. Don't always try to

660
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hit the ball as close to the green as possible.

661
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,400
And I mean even a good lesson from the US

662
00:37:52,519 --> 00:37:54,840
Amateur the other day, and the kid that won hit

663
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:56,559
a six iron off the tee on this par four

664
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on the playoff hole. The other kid hit a driver

665
00:37:59,000 --> 00:38:01,400
over the green. That was the whole Arnold Palmer drove

666
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:03,480
when he won his open there but at Cherry Heels.

667
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But this kid hit a six iron off the tee

668
00:38:06,320 --> 00:38:08,480
to like seventy eight yards and he knew that my

669
00:38:08,599 --> 00:38:11,480
sixty degree wedge and my three quarter swing I'm going

670
00:38:11,559 --> 00:38:13,039
to be somewhere around the hole, and he hit it

671
00:38:13,079 --> 00:38:16,280
fifteen feet behind the whole nestles. He had a two

672
00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:18,440
putt to win, nestled down. Turned out the ball went

673
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,039
in for birdie. But that's playing smart, that's playing two

674
00:38:21,079 --> 00:38:23,320
a yard ad. You know, I always tell the story

675
00:38:23,320 --> 00:38:26,400
about Zach Johnson. He did that at the Masters when

676
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:28,480
he won. He played the par fives better than anybody

677
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and never went for one of them.

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Speaker 4: In two.

679
00:38:30,480 --> 00:38:33,360
Speaker 5: Know your game, have your go to shot, and learn

680
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:36,199
that halfwage you're going to have that sometime. But if

681
00:38:36,199 --> 00:38:38,000
that three quarter wedge is a shot, you have a

682
00:38:38,039 --> 00:38:39,960
lot of confidence in will hit one less club on

683
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:42,360
those par fives and leave it back at three quarter range.

684
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Speaker 1: Absolutely interesting. I mentioned my playing with my nephew last

685
00:38:46,199 --> 00:38:49,039
week a little bit earlier in the show, and he

686
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:51,880
is a big hitter. He's been playing all his life

687
00:38:52,280 --> 00:38:56,440
and is a low double digit handicap and easily can

688
00:38:56,519 --> 00:38:58,920
drive the ball close to three hundred yards. So we

689
00:38:59,000 --> 00:39:01,519
had one. But on the way to the golf course,

690
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he was telling me how how miserable he's become on

691
00:39:07,199 --> 00:39:10,760
his short short game, the thirty forty yard shots. He

692
00:39:10,960 --> 00:39:14,280
just he's he has no confidence in it, and so

693
00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:16,519
he gets all freaked out and he just can't do it.

694
00:39:16,559 --> 00:39:19,599
And any time he lost his cool that day was

695
00:39:19,639 --> 00:39:21,280
on a short shot that he screwed up. It's the

696
00:39:21,320 --> 00:39:23,639
only time he lost it. And at one point there

697
00:39:23,639 --> 00:39:25,320
was a hole that was three hundred and three yards,

698
00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,000
so he took out his driver. I took out my

699
00:39:28,199 --> 00:39:32,719
three wood okay, and he put it within fifteen yards

700
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,880
of the green. He drove it really close. His second

701
00:39:36,960 --> 00:39:40,199
shot went ten yards and he still wasn't on the

702
00:39:40,239 --> 00:39:42,760
green because he just and I'm like, so, I said

703
00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:45,239
to myself, So I don't get it. Why would you

704
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,679
put yourself in that position? He says, Wait, you gotta

705
00:39:47,719 --> 00:39:50,320
go for it, don't you. I'm like, okay, never mind.

706
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:54,360
Speaker 5: I won't get on that soapbucks about the way the

707
00:39:54,440 --> 00:39:56,159
kids play golf these days, but I see it all

708
00:39:56,159 --> 00:39:56,519
the time.

709
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Speaker 4: They hit it a mile and shoot eighty five.

710
00:39:58,719 --> 00:40:03,320
Speaker 5: Yeah, okay, so this sixty year old man just grills

711
00:40:03,360 --> 00:40:05,960
them by from forty yards behind him off the tee.

712
00:40:06,119 --> 00:40:07,559
They don't know how to hit golf shots. But we

713
00:40:07,559 --> 00:40:09,280
won't go there. We got a question, yeah, answer.

714
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Speaker 1: Right, and we call that golf smarter. We call that

715
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golf smarter. Okay, that's right, all right. Second question, another

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one from California. Strangely enough that you did that. Did

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you know that you picked two questions from California?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 5: I didn't until I was just going through all the

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questions and trying to find two that I really thought

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we could really help some the most people with. And

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these two came out. And then I'm looking at him

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and saw, oh, another one from California.

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Speaker 1: So well, see how we are here in California.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, anyway, we're all troubled, and so I'm trying to help.

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Speaker 1: We're troubled here in California. That's what it is. You're

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absolutely right. This one's from Paul Matsuda in Mill Valley,

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and it says more times than I care to remember,

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I've had a good round going and end up in

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a sand trap in less than optimal conditions. Three or

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four strokes later, I'm out of the trap and on

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the green or not. My question is what is the

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best way to play out of wet sand or in

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the case of a course that I play occasionally sand

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that is the consistency of fine gravel, or my worst nightmare,

736
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a combination of the two. I've tried several techniques, but

737
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obviously have not stumbled about the right combination. Maybe you

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have his answer.

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Speaker 5: Well, Paul, let's start with what we were just talking

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with John. John's question about this half wedge. You've got

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to learn a half wedged swing, and you've got to

742
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know how to put that club halfway back and how

743
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to rotate your body and bring it halfway through sand, traps, bunkers, whatever.

744
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For most of us are much more troublesome. The tour

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player never runs into what you're talking about because their

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bunkers are all held to PGA Tour standards and that's

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why they get to hit those fabulous shots out of

748
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the bunkers. But the rest of us, you know, the

749
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sand texture can change from hole to whole, course to course,

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even from one place to another in the bunker, and

751
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that's the golf that we all plays recreational players. So

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to me, there's there's several keys. When you walk into

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a bunker. The first thing you want to do as

754
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you walk in with your feet, size up the firmness

755
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the resistance of that sand. Is this sand gonna gonna

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really kind of eat the golf club a little bit?

757
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Or is this sand going to play like, you know,

758
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almost like hardpan. Is it going to play you know,

759
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much more firm. So the first thing you want to

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do is feel that and get a feel for how

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much resistance that that sand is going to give to

762
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the golf club in a firm, wet sand situation. I

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like to play that shot almost like it's a little

764
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pitch out of the hard pan, just you know, don't

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worry about hitting behind the ball a lot, Just hit

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you a nice little soft pitch shot with your highest

767
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lofted club, the ball is going to come out a

768
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little hotter as it would off of a tight lie,

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and and you know, just aim for a point a

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little past the flag to allow that this sand, the

771
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heavier sand, is going to slow your club down a

772
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little bit. If you get into the fluff of your

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sand or the or the gravel, the fine gravel. A

774
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lot of times your feet will just really move into

775
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that gravel and you'll find that there's not a lot

776
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of resistance here to the golf club. So when that

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club makes contact with the sand on the way down,

778
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that sand is is not going to reject that club,

779
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for example, as much as the as the firm sand will.

780
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So there it's just a bunker shot. It's you know,

781
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lay the club open, so you increase the bounce of

782
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the golf club, pick a spot about two inches behind

783
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the ball, make that half wedge swing, and just float

784
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the ball out of the bunker. If you are not

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a low single digit or if you are not a

786
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self proclaimed sand expert, then understand that bunkers are hazards.

787
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You know, you're not a tour player. The tour players

788
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get up and down out of bunkers. But bear in mind,

789
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they spend more time per day in the practice bunker,

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the most recreational golfer spending a lifetime.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, don't they also in many cases, don't the tour

792
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players aim for bunkers to because they're more confident there

793
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and and it's less trouble for them.

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Speaker 5: Oh absolutely, I mean you know that I don't know

795
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what's going to happen around the bunker, and you know

796
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they'll they'll pull the driver on the sharp poar forward

797
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because they're up and down percentages or I think that

798
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the last time I looked, if you were a fifty

799
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percent up and down player out of the bunker, you

800
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were like ranked one hundred and thirtieth on the PGA Tour.

801
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So you know, but it's interesting if you go on

802
00:44:19,559 --> 00:44:21,679
the Buy dot Com Tour. Now, you go to that

803
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tour and fifty percent up and down percentage ranks you

804
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about thirtieth. So I mean a real difference between the

805
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Big Tour and the little tours. It's the quality of

806
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short game performance. Guys all can hit the ball, but

807
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you know, when you go into a bunker, Paul, size

808
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it up and determine what your standards, what your goal

809
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needs to be. If this is going to be a

810
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tough bunker shot. Then anywhere on the green is a

811
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good shot. Forget the flag, play to the safe side

812
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of the hole, and you know, leave yourself a good

813
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two put If if you're a good bunker player, you

814
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got a nice clean line and sand that makes you

815
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feel confident, then go ahead and take it a little

816
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more aggressive line to the flag. But you understand, for

817
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most of us as recreational golfers, I mean, you take

818
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the average twelve handicap, and I don't ask what any

819
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of y'all's handicaps are, but a twelve handicapper, if you

820
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think about it, there are six par holes on the

821
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golf course and twelve bogie holes, and you just beat

822
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your handicap. So you know, you don't have to go

823
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out and make a bunch of pars to shoot eighty

824
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two or eighty five. Just have to make a handful

825
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and then not have any blow ups and these three

826
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or four stroke later things. So if you hit the

827
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drive in the fairway, back to the program, is golf smarter.

828
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If you hit the drive in the fairway and hit

829
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a good approach on the green, this is now a

830
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par hole, maybe even a birdie. But if you hit

831
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the drive in the rough, this hole is starting to

832
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be a Bogie's going to be a good score. If

833
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you hit the second shot into the bunker, bogie's not

834
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going to be a bad score at all. So you know,

835
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adjust your standards as you move from the tee toward

836
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the hole. Adjust your goals as to what this ought

837
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to be. I mean, you may be on the shortest

838
00:45:45,719 --> 00:45:47,800
par five on the golf course, but you know, if

839
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you hit your drive behind a tree and have to

840
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pitch out sideways, this complexion of the soul just changed

841
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a lot. It's now a hard hole because you know

842
00:45:54,519 --> 00:45:57,360
you've you've had to sacrifice a shot, So all the

843
00:45:57,400 --> 00:46:00,199
holes are equally difficult. If you hit two really good shots,

844
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they all play easy, and if you hit two really

845
00:46:02,239 --> 00:46:04,159
bad shots, they all play hard. It really doesn't matter

846
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what the handicap ranking on the card is.

847
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Speaker 1: Wait, tell me that one more time. Twelve handicap, six

848
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par six bogies.

849
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Speaker 5: That's twelve handicaps, six bars and twelve bogies. You know

850
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:17,480
that gives you an eighty four and you're hit twelve handicaps,

851
00:46:17,480 --> 00:46:19,960
going to start moving downward to nine or ten. You

852
00:46:19,960 --> 00:46:22,719
shoot a bunch of eighty fours. So bear in mind that,

853
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:24,639
you know, I mean I talked to a lot of golfers.

854
00:46:24,679 --> 00:46:27,400
I'd like, you know, I'm a ninety shooter, I'm a

855
00:46:27,480 --> 00:46:29,199
ninety five shooter. Well, then there are no paroles on

856
00:46:29,199 --> 00:46:31,480
the golf course for you. I mean, if you make

857
00:46:31,519 --> 00:46:33,599
a part just like, wow, I stole one. It's kind

858
00:46:33,599 --> 00:46:35,559
of like the scratch guy making a birdie. You stole

859
00:46:35,599 --> 00:46:39,360
one there, and you know, but but be realistic about

860
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,519
your expectations. This is a very hard game. And what

861
00:46:41,599 --> 00:46:43,400
is it like five percent of the golfers can break

862
00:46:43,480 --> 00:46:46,480
ninety regularly. So you know, I hear people all the

863
00:46:46,519 --> 00:46:47,840
times say why I'm not a very good golfer I

864
00:46:47,880 --> 00:46:49,960
shoot in the eighties? Really, because shooting in the eighties

865
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is a very good golfer.

866
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Speaker 1: Well, it depends where you're looking from, right, haven't we

867
00:46:54,840 --> 00:46:56,000
talked about this consistantly.

868
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 5: I mean, if you used to be a scratch and

869
00:46:57,880 --> 00:46:59,159
now you're shooting in the eighties, you need to go

870
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:02,599
see your golf or your doctor. But you know you

871
00:47:02,840 --> 00:47:07,159
are your shrink. But you know, I wrote my blog

872
00:47:07,239 --> 00:47:10,079
this morning about getting the yips and dealing with them,

873
00:47:10,159 --> 00:47:12,119
so you know it appens to everybody. But I mean

874
00:47:12,159 --> 00:47:14,360
it's a hard game. I mean, you know, you think

875
00:47:14,400 --> 00:47:17,039
about it. I mean, Robin Williams gets one of my favorites.

876
00:47:17,079 --> 00:47:19,480
But yeah, okay, So there's a FOURD a quarter inch

877
00:47:19,519 --> 00:47:22,000
hole a quarter of a mile down there across the country,

878
00:47:22,280 --> 00:47:24,079
and I've got this little round white ball and an

879
00:47:24,159 --> 00:47:26,400
implement poorly suited for striking it, and I'm going to

880
00:47:26,440 --> 00:47:26,920
put it in that.

881
00:47:26,880 --> 00:47:30,840
Speaker 4: Hole and forward for wax. It's really absurd, but we

882
00:47:30,880 --> 00:47:31,320
can do it.

883
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:33,119
Speaker 1: Well. We're not going to quote Robin on that one

884
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:34,840
unless you wanted me to bleep it out. I have

885
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no problem.

886
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Speaker 4: Rob Williams definition take off.

887
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Speaker 1: See this is what the Short Game Academy is all about.

888
00:47:44,199 --> 00:47:47,159
I love these answers. You know, we talked to PGA

889
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:49,480
professionals teaching professionals a lot, and to me, those are

890
00:47:49,480 --> 00:47:51,599
guys that played golf really well as a kid and

891
00:47:51,599 --> 00:47:54,320
they wanted to continue to play golf. But you come

892
00:47:54,320 --> 00:47:57,920
from a different place. You are a club designer. You

893
00:47:58,039 --> 00:47:59,960
are looking at how am I going to make other

894
00:48:00,119 --> 00:48:04,320
people better from this design? And so you see things

895
00:48:04,360 --> 00:48:08,119
like bunker shot and short shots very differently than just

896
00:48:08,159 --> 00:48:10,800
a teaching pro. And I love your perspective on this,

897
00:48:10,840 --> 00:48:12,599
and this is why I'm so excited about the Short

898
00:48:12,599 --> 00:48:13,360
Game Academy.

899
00:48:14,280 --> 00:48:15,239
Speaker 4: Well, and I like it too.

900
00:48:15,280 --> 00:48:17,079
Speaker 5: I mean, I've been writing a blog under the moniker

901
00:48:17,119 --> 00:48:19,400
the Wedge Guy for five years, anchors five hundred some

902
00:48:19,480 --> 00:48:21,840
odd articles out there now, and I mean there's a

903
00:48:21,840 --> 00:48:23,480
lot of a lot of things out there that you

904
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,199
that your listeners can go dive into. And I like

905
00:48:26,239 --> 00:48:29,199
sharing my knowledge. Somebody asked me why I gave away

906
00:48:29,199 --> 00:48:31,000
all this knowledge for free us and because that's the

907
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,360
way I got everything. I know, somebody was willing to

908
00:48:33,360 --> 00:48:35,239
give it to me, so, you know, and I boiled

909
00:48:35,280 --> 00:48:36,639
it around in my head and came out with my

910
00:48:36,679 --> 00:48:39,159
own take. But we're very focused at score golf. On

911
00:48:39,159 --> 00:48:42,119
the short game. We're very focused on scoring because very

912
00:48:42,320 --> 00:48:45,000
you know, I mean, golf is difficult game, but good

913
00:48:45,000 --> 00:48:48,039
scores are very gratifying, and very few people come off

914
00:48:48,039 --> 00:48:50,559
the golf course really happy that I hit a lot

915
00:48:50,599 --> 00:48:52,960
of good shots. I scored miserably, but I'm delighted. I mean,

916
00:48:53,000 --> 00:48:56,719
we kind of boil it down to the numerical gratification at.

917
00:48:56,599 --> 00:48:58,880
Speaker 4: The end of the day. Was that a number that

918
00:48:58,960 --> 00:49:00,559
made me happy? You know?

919
00:49:00,639 --> 00:49:02,519
Speaker 5: You see guys in the locker room all times that god,

920
00:49:02,559 --> 00:49:04,960
I struggled all day to David Man, I can't get

921
00:49:05,000 --> 00:49:06,679
together and shot in seventy eight or eighty eight or

922
00:49:06,719 --> 00:49:09,199
ninety eight, whatever your number is. And you look at

923
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:10,800
the tour players and you know, you see some of

924
00:49:10,800 --> 00:49:12,760
those guys that can just band aid it together. They're

925
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:16,119
not hitting it well, but they can salvage their round

926
00:49:16,159 --> 00:49:18,800
because they're good with their scoring clubs. And you know,

927
00:49:18,840 --> 00:49:21,639
we are very focused on that at score Golf, and

928
00:49:22,000 --> 00:49:24,159
we know we can help any golfer, regardless of their

929
00:49:24,159 --> 00:49:27,400
skill level, regardless of their physical strength attributes. We can

930
00:49:27,440 --> 00:49:30,559
help any golfer become better inside nine iron range. And

931
00:49:30,639 --> 00:49:33,159
if you can be really good inside nine iron range,

932
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:35,559
you can play anybody's golf course. You can score better

933
00:49:35,559 --> 00:49:38,719
than you ever have because that's where the game is played.

934
00:49:38,800 --> 00:49:39,760
Speaker 1: Bottom line.

935
00:49:40,119 --> 00:49:42,280
Speaker 5: No, I mean it was like never a year ago.

936
00:49:42,280 --> 00:49:44,079
He hits at three hundred and can't score. He's shooting

937
00:49:44,079 --> 00:49:45,920
in the mid eighties. If you're hitting at three hundred,

938
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:47,519
you ought to be able to just you know, tear

939
00:49:47,559 --> 00:49:49,440
the golf course apart not shooting the mid eighties.

940
00:49:49,679 --> 00:49:52,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, you know we talk about being shooting in

941
00:49:52,920 --> 00:49:55,000
the mid eighties is kind of like being in your sixties.

942
00:49:55,039 --> 00:49:59,760
To bad golfers, you're really good. And to good golfers, yeah,

943
00:50:00,000 --> 00:50:02,079
in your eighties you're big. Not that good, you know,

944
00:50:03,159 --> 00:50:05,320
when you're in your sixties. To old people, you're young.

945
00:50:05,880 --> 00:50:06,800
Speaker 4: Yep, exact people.

946
00:50:06,920 --> 00:50:08,800
Speaker 5: Year old sixty is not years old as it used

947
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:10,119
to be, by the way, looking at it from this

948
00:50:10,199 --> 00:50:10,960
side of sixty.

949
00:50:11,039 --> 00:50:12,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, right now that we're both in the back nine

950
00:50:12,800 --> 00:50:14,079
here in our lives.

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Speaker 4: You have But thirty six is the new eighteen. Don't

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forget that.

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Speaker 1: Oh right, you mean scoring wise or a whole amount

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of holes you play in a day.

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Speaker 5: Anyway, big blase is the new okay. So sixty is

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the new forty and age okay, thirty six is the

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new eighteen in golf, and fifty nine is the new

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sixty and scoring clubs.

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Speaker 1: There you go, We're all done. That works, hey, John

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and Paul congratulating not of McCartney and Lennon, but congratulations

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John Shields and Paul Matsuda, because you guys have both

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earned the opportunity to get a free score. Not an opportunity,

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you have gotten a score forty one sixty one wedge

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of your choice, customized for you scoring club. I'm not

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gonna call a wedge.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna learn it's a scoring bitches. Wedges go in

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the bargain. Been with their Simmon woods.

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Speaker 5: There are relics of a bygone era, and I will

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tell y'all all about that if y'all want to read

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about

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Speaker 1: All right, wedgesdges