Speaker 1: You see something's going to happen. What What's going to happen?
Speaker 1: I'll take what well, what's up everybody? I'm the Headless
Speaker 1: Giant and we're back for another mail bag. Here's my
Speaker 1: co host Nick Nick. Tell them where they can find you?
Speaker 2: What is up? What's going on?
Speaker 1: Everybody?
Speaker 2: You can find me? Ant the Occult Rejects podcast. Uh
Speaker 2: bit you rumble? And yeah yeah, bitch you rumble and
Speaker 2: YouTube and just real quick, I do want to plug
Speaker 2: this eighteenth and Fort Myers. I'll be there. We have
Speaker 2: a booth. ME and Tyrone should be there, and Brooke
Speaker 2: will be there with her own booths and she'll be
Speaker 2: speaking at Charlie's Beyond Belief in Fort Myers on the eighteenth.
Speaker 2: And another thing I just want to plug real quick
Speaker 2: to episodes that I'm doing. I got two different things
Speaker 2: that I'm working on for two other shows, but I
Speaker 2: will be recording it solo, so coming out before Halloween.
Speaker 2: I will have a vampire lore, which I think I
Speaker 2: will drop on Halloween. And I am doing a thing
Speaker 2: where I am showing the effects of most ritual incense
Speaker 2: and stuff how it affects the twelve cranial nerves. So Basically,
Speaker 2: what I'm trying to prove in that too, is that
Speaker 2: a lot of this stuff that I think we attribute,
Speaker 2: these feelings that we attribute to these deities and these gods,
Speaker 2: is actual just the science of you inhaling those fucking herbs.
Speaker 2: So it should be actually pretty interesting. I think it
Speaker 2: might show this a little bit more psycho drama and
Speaker 2: woo woo with some of that stuff and not actually
Speaker 2: understood science. So check out that one.
Speaker 1: Sounds great, sounds great. So we've also got an episode
Speaker 1: coming up tomorrow with Jules. Yes, jeez, I forgot the
Speaker 1: guy's name.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Ani Sarus. Yeah, yeah, that's horrible. Hopefully it
Speaker 2: doesn't listen to this. I can remember the guys.
Speaker 1: Then, but yeah, it's gonna be good. Also, you can
Speaker 1: catch the trialogues on Sunday and Ricardo. Will he be there?
Speaker 1: I hope, So we're gonna try and message him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yo, you know, well, I'm like, put you on
Speaker 2: the spot. But if he's not, let me know, I'll
Speaker 2: jump on if you want.
Speaker 1: Oh awesome, Yeah, Sunday morning, so check that out. We've
Speaker 1: been doing afternoons, but it can be morning as well. Uh,
Speaker 1: do you want to do your symbol first. Let's good,
Speaker 1: let's do it. Let's do it all right, right, my symbol, you.
Speaker 2: Pull it up? Yeah, alright, listen, okay. So we have
Speaker 2: the leo leon tosa feline something like that. I try
Speaker 2: to pronounce it.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's a lion headed, serpent bound figure of the Mythraic
Speaker 2: mysteries and h what is it real quick? A winged
Speaker 2: lionhead figure whose human body is tightly coiled by a serpent.
Speaker 2: He often holds keys, sometimes also a scepter, and on
Speaker 2: some pieces bears zodiac signs on the torso thighs. The
Speaker 2: best documents, the best documented examples come from MCTHREAC Mythraic
Speaker 2: temples and Roman collections. Two famous statues are the Ostereia
Speaker 2: antiqua piece dedicated in the August thirteenth, one hundred and
Speaker 2: ninety CE, and the ex Villa Albandi statue now in
Speaker 2: the Vatican Museum. So we do have those that can
Speaker 2: be looked at again when and where where and when
Speaker 2: it appears between second and third century and the Roman
Speaker 2: Empire secure context they placed the type of oh yes
Speaker 2: says yeah because of the date on it. There is
Speaker 2: a one ninety CE. So they assume that that is
Speaker 2: probably one of the ones of it, and that one
Speaker 2: was painted red and the statue was set up by
Speaker 2: a Mithraic pattern and two uh sacradotes. I'm not exactly
Speaker 2: sure if I'm saying that correctly, but those would be
Speaker 2: people of like Mithraic cult kind of for their own
Speaker 2: like church Roman and closely reltated related line. Man found
Speaker 2: from Villa Albani. Now the Magic Vatican Museum, that is
Speaker 2: the one that has the four zodiac symbols carved on
Speaker 2: the body. And I do have other pictures which I
Speaker 2: can show, and then I guess, like what to look
Speaker 2: at for icon of fuck for the anatomy. Let me
Speaker 2: change the picture here. I think that might actually be good.
Speaker 2: This one's a little bit different. Look at that one,
Speaker 2: all right. The head and wings. You get a roaring
Speaker 2: lionhead of from four wings whose panels can carry seasonal
Speaker 2: emblems grapes, ears of grain, birds or palms or reeds.
Speaker 2: The serpent typically is in six coils wrapping the body.
Speaker 2: The serpent's head may rest near the lions said scholars
Speaker 2: read the coils as time and cyclemotive. Maybe then sometimes
Speaker 2: there could be keys like I said, and a scepter,
Speaker 2: sometimes a thunderbolt engraved on the chest. Objects of other
Speaker 2: gods appear at the base, sometimes of Ulken's tongue, a hammer,
Speaker 2: Mercury's caduces, or a cock or a pine cone. And
Speaker 2: the zodiac again. The Vatican statue bears aries Libra, Cancer
Speaker 2: and Capricorn, tying the image to cosmic order and time.
Speaker 2: And I think that's kind of really really it. There's
Speaker 2: other stuff, but I don't think it's.
Speaker 1: Really so much stuff, you know. I mean, first off, right,
Speaker 1: you got the snake coiled around his body a lot
Speaker 1: like the orphic egg, the orphic yeah, the orphic egg,
Speaker 1: and then what came out of it, which is faunas
Speaker 1: or Fannise, right, and so Fain he has had that
Speaker 1: snake wrapped around his body too, And also the snake
Speaker 1: in the lion is very similar to Crowley's depiction of
Speaker 1: the practis.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Right, so you've got that, and then you've got all
Speaker 1: these zodiac signs as well. So and there's just so
Speaker 1: much symbolism, like they're really trying to go for something
Speaker 1: very specific here, and they've got all of the different
Speaker 1: elements to get there. That's really hard to know exactly
Speaker 1: what they were going for, you know, yeah.
Speaker 2: Oh, you know, it's another I just want to mention too,
Speaker 2: have another rights Ancient inscriptions rarely named the figure. A
Speaker 2: handful of myth ray dedications address this is interesting. Aremannius
Speaker 2: or I can't pronounce the other one latinized Arimann. I
Speaker 2: was actually kind of surprised. But you know, those are
Speaker 2: on the altars. That's another thing too, some of these
Speaker 2: names that they attribute to it. Some people won't because
Speaker 2: it's on the altar and actually on the thing itself,
Speaker 2: so they think maybe that could have been something inscribed
Speaker 2: on the altar for the Aulthor and not for that.
Speaker 2: But they have said that name has come attributed to
Speaker 2: that too. And I've heard of Araman so many times
Speaker 2: and never with him, so it surprises.
Speaker 1: Me to hear that. Right, So are we talking about
Speaker 1: the figure that was sort of this technological beast.
Speaker 2: That's right? What Ariman was more of like technology, right?
Speaker 1: Right? It's interesting if that's related to the Vatican. There
Speaker 1: could be something in there, you know, that could be Araman,
Speaker 1: which is strange. But Araman was a deity from sort
Speaker 1: of the Iranian mythraic kind of Milieu. Why not. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, I mean they were Mythraic priests. Why wouldn't
Speaker 1: they use Araman as well? That was part of the
Speaker 1: Persian mythology. And it's got the Fridgian cap again, right
Speaker 1: up on top of his head. I think, yeah, a lizard. Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's got a lizard. And you've also got the tetramorph.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, that's the snake's head. That's a snake's head
Speaker 2: from wrapping around it. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well, I mean the tetramorph is the the angel you
Speaker 1: see inside the capitol the Catholic church, right that has
Speaker 1: the head of the bull, the head of the human,
Speaker 1: the head of the lion, and then the head of
Speaker 1: the eagle. That's kind of the tetramorph.
Speaker 2: And yeah, you.
Speaker 1: Four wings and.
Speaker 2: You even get that on like this the taro, you
Speaker 2: know how like you'll have the wine and some of
Speaker 2: those other things mixed on it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, tetromorphic angel.
Speaker 2: Again, there's a lot of there's a lot in this,
Speaker 2: in that and that thing. I think not being.
Speaker 1: Right, that's a that's a really interesting symbol. I gotta
Speaker 1: look into that more again, not named. That's kind of interesting, you.
Speaker 2: Know, it's funny way I was trying to find one.
Speaker 2: I came across and I was like, I can't do this.
Speaker 2: I don't think it was the same thing that you've used.
Speaker 2: I gotta send it to you though. But I came
Speaker 2: across like some other god that's like associated with just
Speaker 2: big dicks, and I was like, I can't yoh it
Speaker 2: was it was like an airplane that looked like I
Speaker 2: was just like, what the wing know? In this state?
Speaker 2: It was ridiculous. It was just like yo, like how
Speaker 2: did you wear this? Like literally, like without laughing, like
Speaker 2: how did you take yourself serious making this ship?
Speaker 1: And the legs of a lion? Right, the legs are
Speaker 1: kind of attached to the balls righting around there, and
Speaker 1: got the wings on his back. And it was supposed
Speaker 1: to keep away the evil eye. Right, there's actually depictions
Speaker 1: of this thing squirting into an eye that's the evil eye,
Speaker 1: and that keeps away all the bad, bad spirits or whatever.
Speaker 1: That is amazing, right, And so that's called the fashion news.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's what it was. Yeah, it was very close
Speaker 2: to us. It was very close to fascist. Yeah, that's
Speaker 2: I remember that.
Speaker 1: That's where we get the fascist symbolism. It's the it's
Speaker 1: the bundle of sticks or bundle of dicks, right eat
Speaker 1: dis Yeah, fashion nows is the root word for fascist,
Speaker 1: it's the root word for fashion. It's the real word
Speaker 1: for all that stuff. So fashion News is a very
Speaker 1: influential character. And this fashion News guy, they would hang
Speaker 1: it as a symbol of victory on their chariots. This
Speaker 1: is the world's first truck nuts fashion noos hanging from
Speaker 1: a chariot. Yeah, that is a proud tradition carried on
Speaker 1: by proud whites to this day. Truck nuts. Yeah, it
Speaker 1: came from what the fuck? Wow boom, this is my
Speaker 1: symbol right here. So these are called the Three Hairs,
Speaker 1: and I just really like it. I painted something very
Speaker 1: similar to this.
Speaker 2: Yeah. When I saw that, I was like, Yo, that's crazy.
Speaker 2: You're like, no, I only had two and I was like,
Speaker 2: holy fuck, that's why, that's right.
Speaker 1: Right, And so I didn't know that this was a
Speaker 1: motif until after I painted that thing. It was almost
Speaker 1: like this found me. And so this is used in
Speaker 1: a distribution all throughout the Silk Road. Right. This was
Speaker 1: found between one thousand BC and like thirteen hundred AD,
Speaker 1: as like the big cultural spread. And so the three
Speaker 1: Hairs is sort of like this visual puzzle, right, so
Speaker 1: which you know, ear belongs to which hair, and it
Speaker 1: all kind of blends in there together in the middle,
Speaker 1: and so it's kind of hard to understand where it
Speaker 1: starts and where it finishes. So the three hairs are
Speaker 1: the three rabbits as a circular motif, appearing in sacred
Speaker 1: sites from China, the Middle East, and churches and synagogues
Speaker 1: of Europe, in particular those of Devon, England, as the tenors.
Speaker 1: Rabbits used in architectural ornament, religious symbol and in other
Speaker 1: modern works of art a logo for ornament, including tattoos,
Speaker 1: jewelry and a coat of arms on the Escuchian scuchiin
Speaker 1: viewed as a puzzle a visual challenge, it has been
Speaker 1: rendered as sculpture, drawing and painting. The symbol features three
Speaker 1: hairs of rabbits chasing each other in a circle, like
Speaker 1: the Triscalian, the Triketta and their antecedents. The symbol of
Speaker 1: the three hairs as threefold rotational symmetry, each of the
Speaker 1: ears shared by two hairs, so that only three ears
Speaker 1: are shown. Although its meaning is apparently not explained in
Speaker 1: contemporary written sources from any of the medieval cultures where
Speaker 1: it is found. It is thought to have a range
Speaker 1: of symbolic or mystical associations with fertility the lunar cycle.
Speaker 1: When used in Christian churches, it is presumed to be
Speaker 1: the symbol of the Trinity. Origins and original significance are
Speaker 1: uncertain as to the reasons why it appears in such
Speaker 1: diverse locations as I like here right, but again, like,
Speaker 1: this is a symbol without a lot of meaning, But
Speaker 1: you see these big concentrations of where they're found all
Speaker 1: the way up over into China, so right along that
Speaker 1: Silk Road, so they may not know what it means,
Speaker 1: but they kind of know what it symbolizes a little bit.
Speaker 1: And it had a big old distribution, So I think
Speaker 1: it's kind of an interesting thing. What do you think, nick, I.
Speaker 2: Blew me away when I saw it, because I was like,
Speaker 2: it looks like the shit you just painted. But uh no,
Speaker 2: I like it. I like it's just alien type thing.
Speaker 2: And I think, honestly, I feel like it makes sense
Speaker 2: where you're seeing it, because I would probably be places
Speaker 2: that we maybe see all those symbols like that. I mean,
Speaker 2: I think like in all the countries you would have
Speaker 2: seen them more. But I mean, you know, uh makes sense.
Speaker 2: I think maybe because of the type of beliefs in
Speaker 2: that area.
Speaker 1: Well, I kind of compare it to that that s
Speaker 1: you know, the comic s that everybody drew on their
Speaker 1: notebooks when they were a kid. Yeah, yeah, right. So
Speaker 1: once you have these patterns and motifs down, like, it
Speaker 1: becomes really easy to transfer them, yes, without even knowing
Speaker 1: what the significance of it is. You know what's interesting
Speaker 1: about that s is it kind of looks like a
Speaker 1: kibbola try. You've got the whole motif like stuck in there. Well,
Speaker 1: in this you've got the trinity motif and so's It's
Speaker 1: almost like these things relate back to kind of an
Speaker 1: earlier sake of geometry, and the things that have the
Speaker 1: most relationship to that stuff really gets transferred on easily.
Speaker 1: So there was one plaque associated with this thing which
Speaker 1: gives a little insight. It says the secret is not
Speaker 1: great when one knows it, but it is something to
Speaker 1: one who doesn't turn and turn again. And we will
Speaker 1: also turn so that we give pleasure to each of you.
Speaker 1: And when we have turned, count our ears. It is
Speaker 1: there without any disguise you will find a marvel. So
Speaker 1: it's kind of mysterious. Even the inscription is kind of mysterious.
Speaker 2: You know what. I think it was interesting about it too,
Speaker 2: Like the rabbit symbolism too, that I that shit runs
Speaker 2: so deep a rabbit hole.
Speaker 1: But like.
Speaker 2: I I do think that that has is just a
Speaker 2: mayor a layered symbol. But I do wonder like, is it,
Speaker 2: you know how like you'll see people put rabbit fingers
Speaker 2: up behind people's heads, like or other things mentioned like
Speaker 2: with rabbits and occult symbolism. Is any of that, like
Speaker 2: even with these symbols, you know what I'm saying, is it?
Speaker 2: Is it even matching any stuff like that? You know, again,
Speaker 2: it's not to explain like some of some like you
Speaker 2: see rabbit shit being usually you know, like Macaulay Culkin
Speaker 2: wearing fucking rabbit outfits. You know what I'm saying, is
Speaker 2: any of that going back to ship like this or
Speaker 2: is there some like h esoteric meaning that I don't
Speaker 2: know that's like running line that runs through all this
Speaker 2: rabbit symbolism and even connects to that.
Speaker 1: Right. It's one of the things, is this is how
Speaker 1: pregnancy tests used to be, is they would inject the
Speaker 1: urine of a woman into a I think it was
Speaker 1: the year, and maybe it was the blood into a rabbit.
Speaker 1: And if the rabbit dies, it has an overflow of
Speaker 1: the progesterone or the you know, pregnancy hormone that then
Speaker 1: shows that you're pregnant. So as an early warning, you
Speaker 1: can inject the rabbit and then you'll find out if
Speaker 1: you're pregnant. And so you've got Aerospith songs where he's
Speaker 1: like when the rabbit done died, he's talking about his
Speaker 1: girl being pregnant. Oh shit, Yeah, that's the old way
Speaker 1: of doing it. Well, that's brutal. So I got a
Speaker 1: story from Tara Jackson, one of our favorites. Oh all right, nice, Okay,
Speaker 1: this is a weird one. I think out of the details.
Speaker 1: Tell it to me two or three times times. My
Speaker 1: friend from Austin and he was walking up the street
Speaker 1: one night to go meet somebody. It's a tree lined
Speaker 1: street but no sidewalks, suburban, but lots of trees. He's
Speaker 1: walking by the trees. He passes a tree. As he's
Speaker 1: passing the tree, something steps out in front of in
Speaker 1: front of the tree, looking like a nylon, Like what
Speaker 1: we call forty in or high strangeness we call cloaking ability,
Speaker 1: So kind of like the uh what do they call it?
Speaker 1: The glimmer Man. Also the movie or Predator where he's
Speaker 1: just sort of shimmering.
Speaker 2: Okay, I'm tracking you know, I'm tracking this. It's a
Speaker 2: predator out there.
Speaker 1: Like the bean stepped straight out of a tree, but
Speaker 1: it looked like the tree had said it stepped out
Speaker 1: and then turned once to face him because he was
Speaker 1: passing it. So all of it happened at the same time,
Speaker 1: and he continued to walk away from the tree, and
Speaker 1: the thing just stood there watching him continue down the street.
Speaker 1: As you walk down the street further, things keep popping
Speaker 1: out of the trees. Same entity or being stepped out
Speaker 1: trying to face him, trying to continue further down the street.
Speaker 1: Beings are taking a step out of the tree and
Speaker 1: turn to face him as he continues down the street.
Speaker 1: But it's like the same being. Although we can see
Speaker 1: all of the trees that something popped out of behind him.
Speaker 1: Still the same time, he's trying to figure out what's wrong,
Speaker 1: what's happening, what's going on? He thought maybe the guys
Speaker 1: he is going to meet up with were messing with him.
Speaker 1: The whole encounter was like fifteen minute thing behind him,
Speaker 1: a row of trees with this entity still standing. But
Speaker 1: once he said that, he thought it was the same thing,
Speaker 1: the one thing. Multiple times. He's continuing down the road,
Speaker 1: walking trying to figure it out. It's all the trees.
Speaker 1: And then it comes with the fire hydrant, the fire hydrant.
Speaker 1: Same thing is behind the fire hydrant watching him only
Speaker 1: looks like a Gesterre. In Boston, fire hydrants are white
Speaker 1: and red, and the bead was white and red. It
Speaker 1: had a gesture gesterre hat on half white, half red.
Speaker 1: None of this was not malevolent feeling like you didn't
Speaker 1: fear it or scared of them, but scared of the situation.
Speaker 1: So I'm taking it it's like a shimmery jester, which
Speaker 1: is kind of like the embodiment of the tricks to archetype,
Speaker 1: Like you can't get any more tricks to archetypes in.
Speaker 2: That fully fully engulf that that idea, thees.
Speaker 1: And not only a jester, but an invisible gesture, which
Speaker 1: is like, I mean, how do you get more trickster
Speaker 1: than that? What does you have to do? It's obnoxiously.
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, they were like, fuck this thing, I don't
Speaker 2: even know where it is, and it's annoying the ship
Speaker 2: out of me.
Speaker 1: Right, I mean, the only way it could be worse
Speaker 1: if it had like a clown face, and it's it
Speaker 1: still has that sort of clown energy. So that's kind
Speaker 1: of strange. I don't really associate clowns with Boston, but
Speaker 1: now I do.
Speaker 2: If you got any good clown stories out there from people,
Speaker 2: creeping clown stories, creepy clown.
Speaker 1: Dreams, wicked awesome, I saw this one this one place
Speaker 1: where I delivered to it is called Nilsville, and they
Speaker 1: there's this I guess guy there who's obsessed with it.
Speaker 1: You know, Stephen King's it. So last year he put
Speaker 1: a red balloon and tied it around a sewer line, right,
Speaker 1: so you know it was a sewer great, right, so
Speaker 1: you see the balloon sticking out from out of the sewer.
Speaker 1: It's like, wow, that's pretty creative. And then this year
Speaker 1: I'm driving by these houses and there's a kid with
Speaker 1: a balloon standing in front of the clown on this
Speaker 1: person's lawn. I'm like, that's kind of a weird thing
Speaker 1: to glorify.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: It's like this child predator, spider demon thing. You know,
Speaker 1: of all the things you could have out on Halloween,
Speaker 1: that's probably the worst. I think A clown down a
Speaker 1: fucking sewer just immediately, Like.
Speaker 2: I mean, I think technically in the book, didn't like yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean it's actually yeah, it's way worse than it
Speaker 2: wasn't the movie.
Speaker 1: I think, Oh yeah, oh that book was horrible. Yeah yeah,
Speaker 1: but the red balloon is a symbol of wars is
Speaker 1: dam d.
Speaker 2: Did you ever did you ever watch Elliott hell here
Speaker 2: chasing those balloons around?
Speaker 1: Right? I listened to it until they went so communist
Speaker 1: I had to change out. That was the second season
Speaker 1: so communist.
Speaker 2: Yoh, it was so funny?
Speaker 1: Is that?
Speaker 2: Like? Uh, you know, I believe it or not. At
Speaker 2: one point I really couldn't tell who the funk was who.
Speaker 2: I just thought some people were weird and some people weren't.
Speaker 2: But once I started to like get the idea of like,
Speaker 2: there's certain commonalities with certain fucking political parties. Uh, when
Speaker 2: I saw it again, I was like, Yo, these motherfuckers got.
Speaker 1: To be leftists, oh big time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, listen, if they're Nazis, I'd still think they're assholes.
Speaker 2: So I mean, either one. But you know it's just uh, yeah,
Speaker 2: you were talking about the balloon and you know they
Speaker 2: they had their little balloon sightings that took them off
Speaker 2: and looking here and there, and then you have this
Speaker 2: Alan Greenfield x OTO member of fucking spewing fucking stories
Speaker 2: and the way they're invoking pain at the end, I'm like,
Speaker 2: oh god, okay.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had to stop listening. It was it was
Speaker 1: so bad yoing.
Speaker 2: So many people in the OTO or into the Lima
Speaker 2: like watched that ship because of that.
Speaker 1: It was huge for a while, like for what.
Speaker 2: Yeah, even even like among the witchcraft community, it was known.
Speaker 1: Yeah right, it was like, oh you checked that out, Yeah,
Speaker 1: checked that out.
Speaker 2: And I was like, eh, it's all right.
Speaker 1: Right, but they were pushing it hard and in the LBL,
Speaker 1: like there's a lot of strange sightings, so that whole
Speaker 1: region just you know, hell, you're that you know part
Speaker 1: of Tennessee. Is it Kentucky or Georgia? I forget I
Speaker 1: know geography over in the Mediterranean though, I can tell
Speaker 1: you about that, but I don't know US geography, which
Speaker 1: is kind of strange.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm really bad with that. Like I wasn't exactly
Speaker 2: sure where's Wisconsin was when you told me? I told
Speaker 2: I told you a lot more south. I was like, oh, wait,
Speaker 2: you're not that far for flawed.
Speaker 1: Right now, I'm across the lake from Michigan, so so
Speaker 1: I was like, oh, he's actually closer to me when
Speaker 1: I go get weed. Yeah, I just need to grab
Speaker 1: a boat and then I'll be there. But I mean,
Speaker 1: Lake Michigan is so huge it takes you six hours
Speaker 1: to drive around it to you know, complete that one
Speaker 1: hour journey by boat, you know. But I mean the
Speaker 1: whole Great Lakes region is really mysterious, and I think
Speaker 1: a lot of people sleep on that because it's like, ah,
Speaker 1: it's the Midwest, who cares? But really, the entire Midwest
Speaker 1: area is just crawling with mysteries that nobody's even touched yet.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there was, you know, there was some Uh I
Speaker 2: don't know why. I think maybe because I've been looking
Speaker 2: at it more. I've been getting like hit with like
Speaker 2: accounts popping up that are like very on Instagram. They're
Speaker 2: very specific in North Carolina, and like just the amount
Speaker 2: of like known haunted places and just like weird spots.
Speaker 2: I'm like, there's a fucked on of shit. Actually, fucking
Speaker 2: North Carolina. Yeah, that's just like it's just actually impressive.
Speaker 2: It was like I never would have realized it's so
Speaker 2: much shit out there, even locally. Yeah, one place, I
Speaker 2: think there was one place that someone has gone to.
Speaker 2: It's only an hour fifteen minutes away from me. You know,
Speaker 2: that's been on TV. If I got the name of
Speaker 2: the place, I'm like, fuck, that's over here.
Speaker 1: Well, the entire South having the history of the Great
Speaker 1: War and everything going on down there. I don't know
Speaker 1: if they actually hit Charlottesville with the Great Fire that
Speaker 1: he burned through the South. I forgot the name of
Speaker 1: the general, but he went all the way through Atlanta
Speaker 1: and just lit the place on fire wherever the Southern
Speaker 1: troops could reoccupy. So that was the whole point of
Speaker 1: like burning down the South. So in terms of haunted places, like,
Speaker 1: I'd put the South on, you know, top of the
Speaker 1: list because it was just brutal.
Speaker 2: Now they just do it in California.
Speaker 1: Right, same ship, dude, it's all the fires. I didn't
Speaker 1: put that together.
Speaker 2: Well, that is weird shit. When you watched like certain
Speaker 2: things popping off, it's like, why is there also always
Speaker 2: these wildfires amongst it you know, I have wondered to wait,
Speaker 2: I mean, even last two presidential runnings we had wildfires
Speaker 2: pop up, maybe even the last three. It's just very weird.
Speaker 1: It's a super philosophical research the Manly Polo organization burned down.
Speaker 1: That was during the last big California fire. They got
Speaker 1: rid of that. PRS sucks, Yeah, damn, but he got
Speaker 1: all of his books out of there. He expected it.
Speaker 1: All of his books are now down in Florida. I
Speaker 1: wonder his entire collection is not in the Philosophical Research Society. Yeah, wow,
Speaker 1: I wonder if I should have that was a good choice.
Speaker 1: What's that?
Speaker 2: So when I if I have Ronnie Pontiac on again,
Speaker 2: which I would like to bring on, I should have him.
Speaker 2: I should have him told a little bit on that.
Speaker 2: I'm sure he knows about it because he was involved
Speaker 2: with many Buhle's he worked for.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there's like an alchemical library in Florida that has
Speaker 1: like all of these amazing works that Manly p Hall
Speaker 1: had in his vault that Ronnie Pontiac was working on
Speaker 1: that was all shipped down there before any of this
Speaker 1: fire shit happened. So it's weird. And the curator of this.
Speaker 1: I got to look up at his name. He's like,
Speaker 1: knowledge wants to survive, and it's been surviving through these
Speaker 1: elites for years, and so these books they kind of
Speaker 1: have a life of their own, and they were called here,
Speaker 1: and so people donated their shit because they know that
Speaker 1: this place is going to be safe, safe from what
Speaker 1: what are you talking about? It's it's weird. Is he
Speaker 1: saying that knowledge is sentient? Books are sentient? I mean,
Speaker 1: weirder shit has happened. But if you think about it,
Speaker 1: like there's an interplay between consciousness and the book itself
Speaker 1: and the written word. Yeah, there could be a lot
Speaker 1: more magic to these. Uh, you know alchemical treatises that
Speaker 1: we think.
Speaker 2: You start mindfucking the way that you even write and
Speaker 2: how light works.
Speaker 1: You start wanting the fuck's going on with that?
Speaker 2: You're basically like smushing something.
Speaker 1: It's it's interesting, Well, didn't they used to put spells
Speaker 1: on all of their scrolls, like they would have seals
Speaker 1: and like warnings and like you're not supposed to So
Speaker 1: this could be a continuation of that sort of like
Speaker 1: giving it semi sentience to preserve itself throughout history, just
Speaker 1: in case anything happens to mankind.
Speaker 2: That is an interesting thought. It's kind of booked out actually,
Speaker 2: right perfect of being stunned right now.
Speaker 1: Well, I think the gods kind of survived. You know.
Speaker 1: It's like, if you you think about it, all the
Speaker 1: gods are found in the written word, and so they're
Speaker 1: kind of surviving through our knowledge of them, and so
Speaker 1: they have to kind of continue to exist.
Speaker 2: How do you kill a god? You forget about them,
Speaker 2: stop talking about it.
Speaker 1: There you go, there you go. Well, this has been
Speaker 1: a great episode. Thank you for joining me, and we'll
Speaker 1: see again next time. When's your next day?
Speaker 2: The eighteenth, Yes, the eighteenth, fort Myers, Florida again. Me
Speaker 2: and Timer will be there and Broke from Dark Florida
Speaker 2: and part of the Occult Rejects will be speaking I
Speaker 2: think from eleven to eleven forty five, and I will
Speaker 2: be filming it and be putting it out for her
Speaker 2: in the Occult Rejects. But yeah, definitely check it out.
Speaker 2: I think it's like fifteen twenty bucks maybe for this one.
Speaker 2: If you're in the area, show up. There's a ton
Speaker 2: of boots, a ton of all the podcasts too. This
Speaker 2: one should be fun and it's out of Masonic Hole
Speaker 2: and the guy throwing it, might be a Mason, so
Speaker 2: come check it out.
Speaker 1: Might be I just found out my landlord's purchasing the
Speaker 1: Mesadic hall down the street. I gotta go through it.
Speaker 2: You know it's crazy too. I was just like, yo,
Speaker 2: I can't get away from you. What the fuck is
Speaker 2: the guy who threw that event? At the last event,
Speaker 2: he was like going on how he's been a rotarian
Speaker 2: for thirty years.
Speaker 1: I was like yo.
Speaker 2: I was like, yo, is everybody associated with the Check
Speaker 2: and Flow that throws these fucking events?
Speaker 1: They are holy fuck, every one of them.
Speaker 2: I'm just being serious people. I don't know how many
Speaker 2: people are gonna listen to this one, but I'm just
Speaker 2: so serious from my experiences. Motherfucker's throwing these events are
Speaker 2: even involved in it's just funny. It's just like we
Speaker 2: don't got a shot. They're gonna fucking tell us what
Speaker 2: they want us to believe regardless, somehow in some sort
Speaker 2: of fashion, right. I mean, there is some good stuff
Speaker 2: out there. There is good stuff and good people. Obviously
Speaker 2: I have brought people on from these things, but it
Speaker 2: is interesting when you start seeing how who's running them.
Speaker 1: Wow. Thinking about the Shriner circus, all the entertainment is.
Speaker 2: You know, the throws, and people don't even fucking realize.
Speaker 1: All right, right, it's it's everything. You could see it
Speaker 1: really starkly in Britain because all of the actors have
Speaker 1: to be Freemasons, like that's kind of part of their
Speaker 1: union contracts.
Speaker 2: So oh, that was even a thing that I noticed,
Speaker 2: Like not for nothing. People I saw at the Comic Summit,
Speaker 2: there was that I knew were associated with certain groups.
Speaker 2: All ended up on Danny Jones.
Speaker 1: Yep, interesting, he's a brother.
Speaker 2: He's a brother, or or if it wasn't him, it
Speaker 2: is Joe Rogan's right.
Speaker 1: You think Joe Rogan's a mason. He's brought in some club.
Speaker 2: Oh no, he was. He was acting gay twenty years ago,
Speaker 2: and now it was a totally different fucking persona.
Speaker 1: So that's true.
Speaker 2: People would to catch him twenty years ago he's walking
Speaker 2: around with fishnet fucking top and acting like a girl.
Speaker 1: A news radio.
Speaker 2: I don't know on whatever he was doing. I've seen
Speaker 2: clip someone I was like, you know, it's just if
Speaker 2: this guy was to be seen today, the people that
Speaker 2: worship people would be fucking shit talking to them all day,
Speaker 2: or half of them would be.
Speaker 1: All right, all this is a good episode. Thank you
Speaker 1: guys for joining us and we will see you again
Speaker 1: next time. Lada, get those emails out there, mate,