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<v Speaker 1>You see something's going to happen. What What's going to happen?

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<v Speaker 1>I'll take what well, what's up everybody? I'm the Headless

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<v Speaker 1>Giant and we're back for another mail bag. Here's my

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<v Speaker 1>co host Nick Nick. Tell them where they can find you?

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<v Speaker 2>What is up? What's going on?

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<v Speaker 1>Everybody?

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<v Speaker 2>You can find me? Ant the Occult Rejects podcast. Uh

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<v Speaker 2>bit you rumble? And yeah yeah, bitch you rumble and

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<v Speaker 2>YouTube and just real quick, I do want to plug

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<v Speaker 2>this eighteenth and Fort Myers. I'll be there. We have

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<v Speaker 2>a booth. ME and Tyrone should be there, and Brooke

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<v Speaker 2>will be there with her own booths and she'll be

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<v Speaker 2>speaking at Charlie's Beyond Belief in Fort Myers on the eighteenth.

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<v Speaker 2>And another thing I just want to plug real quick

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<v Speaker 2>to episodes that I'm doing. I got two different things

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<v Speaker 2>that I'm working on for two other shows, but I

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<v Speaker 2>will be recording it solo, so coming out before Halloween.

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<v Speaker 2>I will have a vampire lore, which I think I

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<v Speaker 2>will drop on Halloween. And I am doing a thing

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<v Speaker 2>where I am showing the effects of most ritual incense

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<v Speaker 2>and stuff how it affects the twelve cranial nerves. So Basically,

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<v Speaker 2>what I'm trying to prove in that too, is that

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of this stuff that I think we attribute,

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<v Speaker 2>these feelings that we attribute to these deities and these gods,

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<v Speaker 2>is actual just the science of you inhaling those fucking herbs.

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<v Speaker 2>So it should be actually pretty interesting. I think it

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<v Speaker 2>might show this a little bit more psycho drama and

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<v Speaker 2>woo woo with some of that stuff and not actually

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<v Speaker 2>understood science. So check out that one.

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<v Speaker 1>Sounds great, sounds great. So we've also got an episode

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<v Speaker 1>coming up tomorrow with Jules. Yes, jeez, I forgot the

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<v Speaker 1>guy's name.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, Ani Sarus. Yeah, yeah, that's horrible. Hopefully it

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't listen to this. I can remember the guys.

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<v Speaker 1>Then, but yeah, it's gonna be good. Also, you can

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<v Speaker 1>catch the trialogues on Sunday and Ricardo. Will he be there?

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<v Speaker 1>I hope, So we're gonna try and message him.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yo, you know, well, I'm like, put you on

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<v Speaker 2>the spot. But if he's not, let me know, I'll

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<v Speaker 2>jump on if you want.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh awesome, Yeah, Sunday morning, so check that out. We've

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<v Speaker 1>been doing afternoons, but it can be morning as well. Uh,

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<v Speaker 1>do you want to do your symbol first. Let's good,

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<v Speaker 1>let's do it. Let's do it all right, right, my symbol, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Pull it up? Yeah, alright, listen, okay. So we have

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<v Speaker 2>the leo leon tosa feline something like that. I try

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<v Speaker 2>to pronounce it.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a lion headed, serpent bound figure of the Mythraic

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<v Speaker 2>mysteries and h what is it real quick? A winged

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<v Speaker 2>lionhead figure whose human body is tightly coiled by a serpent.

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<v Speaker 2>He often holds keys, sometimes also a scepter, and on

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<v Speaker 2>some pieces bears zodiac signs on the torso thighs. The

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<v Speaker 2>best documents, the best documented examples come from MCTHREAC Mythraic

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<v Speaker 2>temples and Roman collections. Two famous statues are the Ostereia

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<v Speaker 2>antiqua piece dedicated in the August thirteenth, one hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>ninety CE, and the ex Villa Albandi statue now in

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<v Speaker 2>the Vatican Museum. So we do have those that can

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<v Speaker 2>be looked at again when and where where and when

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<v Speaker 2>it appears between second and third century and the Roman

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<v Speaker 2>Empire secure context they placed the type of oh yes

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<v Speaker 2>says yeah because of the date on it. There is

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<v Speaker 2>a one ninety CE. So they assume that that is

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<v Speaker 2>probably one of the ones of it, and that one

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<v Speaker 2>was painted red and the statue was set up by

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<v Speaker 2>a Mithraic pattern and two uh sacradotes. I'm not exactly

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<v Speaker 2>sure if I'm saying that correctly, but those would be

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<v Speaker 2>people of like Mithraic cult kind of for their own

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<v Speaker 2>like church Roman and closely reltated related line. Man found

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<v Speaker 2>from Villa Albani. Now the Magic Vatican Museum, that is

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<v Speaker 2>the one that has the four zodiac symbols carved on

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<v Speaker 2>the body. And I do have other pictures which I

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<v Speaker 2>can show, and then I guess, like what to look

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<v Speaker 2>at for icon of fuck for the anatomy. Let me

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<v Speaker 2>change the picture here. I think that might actually be good.

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<v Speaker 2>This one's a little bit different. Look at that one,

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<v Speaker 2>all right. The head and wings. You get a roaring

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<v Speaker 2>lionhead of from four wings whose panels can carry seasonal

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<v Speaker 2>emblems grapes, ears of grain, birds or palms or reeds.

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<v Speaker 2>The serpent typically is in six coils wrapping the body.

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<v Speaker 2>The serpent's head may rest near the lions said scholars

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<v Speaker 2>read the coils as time and cyclemotive. Maybe then sometimes

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<v Speaker 2>there could be keys like I said, and a scepter,

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes a thunderbolt engraved on the chest. Objects of other

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<v Speaker 2>gods appear at the base, sometimes of Ulken's tongue, a hammer,

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<v Speaker 2>Mercury's caduces, or a cock or a pine cone. And

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<v Speaker 2>the zodiac again. The Vatican statue bears aries Libra, Cancer

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<v Speaker 2>and Capricorn, tying the image to cosmic order and time.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think that's kind of really really it. There's

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<v Speaker 2>other stuff, but I don't think it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Really so much stuff, you know. I mean, first off, right,

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<v Speaker 1>you got the snake coiled around his body a lot

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<v Speaker 1>like the orphic egg, the orphic yeah, the orphic egg,

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<v Speaker 1>and then what came out of it, which is faunas

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<v Speaker 1>or Fannise, right, and so Fain he has had that

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<v Speaker 1>snake wrapped around his body too, And also the snake

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<v Speaker 1>in the lion is very similar to Crowley's depiction of

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<v Speaker 1>the practis.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, so you've got that, and then you've got all

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<v Speaker 1>these zodiac signs as well. So and there's just so

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<v Speaker 1>much symbolism, like they're really trying to go for something

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<v Speaker 1>very specific here, and they've got all of the different

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<v Speaker 1>elements to get there. That's really hard to know exactly

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<v Speaker 1>what they were going for, you know, yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, you know, it's another I just want to mention too,

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<v Speaker 2>have another rights Ancient inscriptions rarely named the figure. A

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<v Speaker 2>handful of myth ray dedications address this is interesting. Aremannius

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<v Speaker 2>or I can't pronounce the other one latinized Arimann. I

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<v Speaker 2>was actually kind of surprised. But you know, those are

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<v Speaker 2>on the altars. That's another thing too, some of these

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<v Speaker 2>names that they attribute to it. Some people won't because

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<v Speaker 2>it's on the altar and actually on the thing itself,

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<v Speaker 2>so they think maybe that could have been something inscribed

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<v Speaker 2>on the altar for the Aulthor and not for that.

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<v Speaker 2>But they have said that name has come attributed to

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<v Speaker 2>that too. And I've heard of Araman so many times

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<v Speaker 2>and never with him, so it surprises.

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<v Speaker 1>Me to hear that. Right, So are we talking about

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<v Speaker 1>the figure that was sort of this technological beast.

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<v Speaker 2>That's right? What Ariman was more of like technology, right?

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<v Speaker 1>Right? It's interesting if that's related to the Vatican. There

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<v Speaker 1>could be something in there, you know, that could be Araman,

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<v Speaker 1>which is strange. But Araman was a deity from sort

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<v Speaker 1>of the Iranian mythraic kind of Milieu. Why not. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, I mean they were Mythraic priests. Why wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>they use Araman as well? That was part of the

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<v Speaker 1>Persian mythology. And it's got the Fridgian cap again, right

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<v Speaker 1>up on top of his head. I think, yeah, a lizard. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he's got a lizard. And you've also got the tetramorph.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, that's the snake's head. That's a snake's head

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<v Speaker 2>from wrapping around it. Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I mean the tetramorph is the the angel you

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<v Speaker 1>see inside the capitol the Catholic church, right that has

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<v Speaker 1>the head of the bull, the head of the human,

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<v Speaker 1>the head of the lion, and then the head of

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<v Speaker 1>the eagle. That's kind of the tetramorph.

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<v Speaker 2>And yeah, you.

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<v Speaker 1>Four wings and.

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<v Speaker 2>You even get that on like this the taro, you

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<v Speaker 2>know how like you'll have the wine and some of

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<v Speaker 2>those other things mixed on it.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, tetromorphic angel.

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<v Speaker 2>Again, there's a lot of there's a lot in this,

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<v Speaker 2>in that and that thing. I think not being.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, that's a that's a really interesting symbol. I gotta

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<v Speaker 1>look into that more again, not named. That's kind of interesting, you.

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<v Speaker 2>Know, it's funny way I was trying to find one.

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<v Speaker 2>I came across and I was like, I can't do this.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't think it was the same thing that you've used.

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<v Speaker 2>I gotta send it to you though. But I came

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<v Speaker 2>across like some other god that's like associated with just

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<v Speaker 2>big dicks, and I was like, I can't yoh it

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<v Speaker 2>was it was like an airplane that looked like I

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<v Speaker 2>was just like, what the wing know? In this state?

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<v Speaker 2>It was ridiculous. It was just like yo, like how

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<v Speaker 2>did you wear this? Like literally, like without laughing, like

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<v Speaker 2>how did you take yourself serious making this ship?

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<v Speaker 1>And the legs of a lion? Right, the legs are

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<v Speaker 1>kind of attached to the balls righting around there, and

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<v Speaker 1>got the wings on his back. And it was supposed

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<v Speaker 1>to keep away the evil eye. Right, there's actually depictions

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<v Speaker 1>of this thing squirting into an eye that's the evil eye,

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<v Speaker 1>and that keeps away all the bad, bad spirits or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>That is amazing, right, And so that's called the fashion news.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, that's what it was. Yeah, it was very close

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<v Speaker 2>to us. It was very close to fascist. Yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 2>I remember that.

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<v Speaker 1>That's where we get the fascist symbolism. It's the it's

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<v Speaker 1>the bundle of sticks or bundle of dicks, right eat

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<v Speaker 1>dis Yeah, fashion nows is the root word for fascist,

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<v Speaker 1>it's the root word for fashion. It's the real word

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<v Speaker 1>for all that stuff. So fashion News is a very

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<v Speaker 1>influential character. And this fashion News guy, they would hang

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<v Speaker 1>it as a symbol of victory on their chariots. This

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<v Speaker 1>is the world's first truck nuts fashion noos hanging from

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<v Speaker 1>a chariot. Yeah, that is a proud tradition carried on

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<v Speaker 1>by proud whites to this day. Truck nuts. Yeah, it

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<v Speaker 1>came from what the fuck? Wow boom, this is my

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<v Speaker 1>symbol right here. So these are called the Three Hairs,

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<v Speaker 1>and I just really like it. I painted something very

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<v Speaker 1>similar to this.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. When I saw that, I was like, Yo, that's crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>You're like, no, I only had two and I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>holy fuck, that's why, that's right.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, And so I didn't know that this was a

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<v Speaker 1>motif until after I painted that thing. It was almost

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<v Speaker 1>like this found me. And so this is used in

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<v Speaker 1>a distribution all throughout the Silk Road. Right. This was

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<v Speaker 1>found between one thousand BC and like thirteen hundred AD,

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<v Speaker 1>as like the big cultural spread. And so the three

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<v Speaker 1>Hairs is sort of like this visual puzzle, right, so

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<v Speaker 1>which you know, ear belongs to which hair, and it

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<v Speaker 1>all kind of blends in there together in the middle,

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<v Speaker 1>and so it's kind of hard to understand where it

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<v Speaker 1>starts and where it finishes. So the three hairs are

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<v Speaker 1>the three rabbits as a circular motif, appearing in sacred

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<v Speaker 1>sites from China, the Middle East, and churches and synagogues

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<v Speaker 1>of Europe, in particular those of Devon, England, as the tenors.

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<v Speaker 1>Rabbits used in architectural ornament, religious symbol and in other

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<v Speaker 1>modern works of art a logo for ornament, including tattoos,

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<v Speaker 1>jewelry and a coat of arms on the Escuchian scuchiin

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<v Speaker 1>viewed as a puzzle a visual challenge, it has been

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<v Speaker 1>rendered as sculpture, drawing and painting. The symbol features three

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<v Speaker 1>hairs of rabbits chasing each other in a circle, like

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<v Speaker 1>the Triscalian, the Triketta and their antecedents. The symbol of

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<v Speaker 1>contemporary written sources from any of the medieval cultures where

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<v Speaker 1>it is found. It is thought to have a range

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<v Speaker 1>of symbolic or mystical associations with fertility the lunar cycle.

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<v Speaker 1>When used in Christian churches, it is presumed to be

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<v Speaker 1>the symbol of the Trinity. Origins and original significance are

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<v Speaker 1>diverse locations as I like here right, but again, like,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a symbol without a lot of meaning, But

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<v Speaker 1>you see these big concentrations of where they're found all

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<v Speaker 1>Silk Road, so they may not know what it means,

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<v Speaker 1>but they kind of know what it symbolizes a little bit.

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<v Speaker 1>And it had a big old distribution, So I think

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of an interesting thing. What do you think, nick, I.

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<v Speaker 2>Blew me away when I saw it, because I was like,

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<v Speaker 2>it looks like the shit you just painted. But uh no,

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<v Speaker 2>I like it. I like it's just alien type thing.

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<v Speaker 2>And I think, honestly, I feel like it makes sense

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<v Speaker 2>where you're seeing it, because I would probably be places

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<v Speaker 2>that we maybe see all those symbols like that. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>I think like in all the countries you would have

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<v Speaker 2>seen them more. But I mean, you know, uh makes sense.

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<v Speaker 2>I think maybe because of the type of beliefs in

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<v Speaker 1>Well, I kind of compare it to that that s

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<v Speaker 1>you know, the comic s that everybody drew on their

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<v Speaker 1>once you have these patterns and motifs down, like, it

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<v Speaker 1>becomes really easy to transfer them, yes, without even knowing

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<v Speaker 1>what the significance of it is. You know what's interesting

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<v Speaker 1>kibbola try. You've got the whole motif like stuck in there. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>almost like these things relate back to kind of an

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<v Speaker 1>most relationship to that stuff really gets transferred on easily.

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<v Speaker 1>So there was one plaque associated with this thing which

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<v Speaker 1>one who doesn't turn and turn again. And we will

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<v Speaker 1>also turn so that we give pleasure to each of you.

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<v Speaker 1>And when we have turned, count our ears. It is

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<v Speaker 1>there without any disguise you will find a marvel. So

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<v Speaker 1>it's kind of mysterious. Even the inscription is kind of mysterious.

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<v Speaker 2>You know what. I think it was interesting about it too,

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<v Speaker 2>Like the rabbit symbolism too, that I that shit runs

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<v Speaker 2>so deep a rabbit hole.

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<v Speaker 1>But like.

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<v Speaker 2>I I do think that that has is just a

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<v Speaker 2>mayor a layered symbol. But I do wonder like, is it,

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<v Speaker 2>you know how like you'll see people put rabbit fingers

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<v Speaker 2>up behind people's heads, like or other things mentioned like

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<v Speaker 2>with rabbits and occult symbolism. Is any of that, like

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<v Speaker 2>even with these symbols, you know what I'm saying, is it?

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<v Speaker 2>Is it even matching any stuff like that? You know, again,

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<v Speaker 2>it's not to explain like some of some like you

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<v Speaker 2>see rabbit shit being usually you know, like Macaulay Culkin

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<v Speaker 2>wearing fucking rabbit outfits. You know what I'm saying, is

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<v Speaker 2>any of that going back to ship like this or

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<v Speaker 2>is there some like h esoteric meaning that I don't

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<v Speaker 2>know that's like running line that runs through all this

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<v Speaker 2>rabbit symbolism and even connects to that.

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<v Speaker 1>Right. It's one of the things, is this is how

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<v Speaker 1>pregnancy tests used to be, is they would inject the

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<v Speaker 1>urine of a woman into a I think it was

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<v Speaker 1>the year, and maybe it was the blood into a rabbit.

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<v Speaker 1>And if the rabbit dies, it has an overflow of

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<v Speaker 1>the progesterone or the you know, pregnancy hormone that then

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<v Speaker 1>can inject the rabbit and then you'll find out if

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<v Speaker 1>you're pregnant. And so you've got Aerospith songs where he's

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<v Speaker 1>like when the rabbit done died, he's talking about his

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<v Speaker 1>girl being pregnant. Oh shit, Yeah, that's the old way

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<v Speaker 1>of doing it. Well, that's brutal. So I got a

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<v Speaker 1>story from Tara Jackson, one of our favorites. Oh all right, nice, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>this is a weird one. I think out of the details.

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<v Speaker 1>Tell it to me two or three times times. My

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<v Speaker 1>friend from Austin and he was walking up the street

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<v Speaker 1>one night to go meet somebody. It's a tree lined

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<v Speaker 1>street but no sidewalks, suburban, but lots of trees. He's

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<v Speaker 1>walking by the trees. He passes a tree. As he's

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<v Speaker 1>passing the tree, something steps out in front of in

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<v Speaker 1>front of the tree, looking like a nylon, Like what

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<v Speaker 1>we call forty in or high strangeness we call cloaking ability,

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<v Speaker 1>So kind of like the uh what do they call it?

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<v Speaker 1>The glimmer Man. Also the movie or Predator where he's

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<v Speaker 1>just sort of shimmering.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I'm tracking you know, I'm tracking this. It's a

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<v Speaker 2>predator out there.

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<v Speaker 1>Like the bean stepped straight out of a tree, but

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<v Speaker 1>it looked like the tree had said it stepped out

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<v Speaker 1>and then turned once to face him because he was

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<v Speaker 1>passing it. So all of it happened at the same time,

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<v Speaker 1>and he continued to walk away from the tree, and

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<v Speaker 1>the thing just stood there watching him continue down the street.

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<v Speaker 1>As you walk down the street further, things keep popping

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<v Speaker 1>out of the trees. Same entity or being stepped out

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<v Speaker 1>trying to face him, trying to continue further down the street.

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<v Speaker 1>Beings are taking a step out of the tree and

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<v Speaker 1>turn to face him as he continues down the street.

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<v Speaker 1>But it's like the same being. Although we can see

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<v Speaker 1>all of the trees that something popped out of behind him.

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<v Speaker 1>Still the same time, he's trying to figure out what's wrong,

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<v Speaker 1>what's happening, what's going on? He thought maybe the guys

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<v Speaker 1>he is going to meet up with were messing with him.

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<v Speaker 1>The whole encounter was like fifteen minute thing behind him,

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<v Speaker 1>a row of trees with this entity still standing. But

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<v Speaker 1>once he said that, he thought it was the same thing,

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<v Speaker 1>the one thing. Multiple times. He's continuing down the road,

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<v Speaker 1>walking trying to figure it out. It's all the trees.

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<v Speaker 1>And then it comes with the fire hydrant, the fire hydrant.

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<v Speaker 1>Same thing is behind the fire hydrant watching him only

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<v Speaker 1>looks like a Gesterre. In Boston, fire hydrants are white

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<v Speaker 1>and red, and the bead was white and red. It

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<v Speaker 1>had a gesture gesterre hat on half white, half red.

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<v Speaker 1>None of this was not malevolent feeling like you didn't

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<v Speaker 1>fear it or scared of them, but scared of the situation.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm taking it it's like a shimmery jester, which

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<v Speaker 1>is kind of like the embodiment of the tricks to archetype,

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<v Speaker 1>Like you can't get any more tricks to archetypes in.

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<v Speaker 2>That fully fully engulf that that idea, thees.

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<v Speaker 1>And not only a jester, but an invisible gesture, which

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<v Speaker 1>is like, I mean, how do you get more trickster

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<v Speaker 1>than that? What does you have to do? It's obnoxiously.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, right, they were like, fuck this thing, I don't

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<v Speaker 2>even know where it is, and it's annoying the ship

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<v Speaker 2>out of me.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, I mean, the only way it could be worse

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<v Speaker 1>if it had like a clown face, and it's it

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<v Speaker 1>still has that sort of clown energy. So that's kind

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<v Speaker 1>of strange. I don't really associate clowns with Boston, but

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<v Speaker 1>now I do.

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<v Speaker 2>If you got any good clown stories out there from people,

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<v Speaker 2>creeping clown stories, creepy clown.

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<v Speaker 1>Dreams, wicked awesome, I saw this one this one place

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<v Speaker 1>where I delivered to it is called Nilsville, and they

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<v Speaker 1>there's this I guess guy there who's obsessed with it.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, Stephen King's it. So last year he put

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<v Speaker 1>a red balloon and tied it around a sewer line, right,

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<v Speaker 1>so you know it was a sewer great, right, so

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<v Speaker 1>you see the balloon sticking out from out of the sewer.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like, wow, that's pretty creative. And then this year

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<v Speaker 1>I'm driving by these houses and there's a kid with

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<v Speaker 1>person's lawn. I'm like, that's kind of a weird thing

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<v Speaker 1>to glorify.

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<v Speaker 2>You know.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like this child predator, spider demon thing. You know,

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<v Speaker 1>of all the things you could have out on Halloween,

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<v Speaker 1>that's probably the worst. I think A clown down a

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<v Speaker 1>fucking sewer just immediately, Like.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I think technically in the book, didn't like yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it's actually yeah, it's way worse than it

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't the movie.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, Oh yeah, oh that book was horrible. Yeah yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>but the red balloon is a symbol of wars is

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<v Speaker 1>dam d.

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<v Speaker 2>Did you ever did you ever watch Elliott hell here

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<v Speaker 2>chasing those balloons around?

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<v Speaker 1>Right? I listened to it until they went so communist

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<v Speaker 1>I had to change out. That was the second season

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<v Speaker 1>so communist.

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<v Speaker 2>Yoh, it was so funny?

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<v Speaker 1>Is that?

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<v Speaker 2>Like? Uh, you know, I believe it or not. At

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<v Speaker 2>one point I really couldn't tell who the funk was who.

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<v Speaker 2>I just thought some people were weird and some people weren't.

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<v Speaker 2>But once I started to like get the idea of like,

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<v Speaker 2>there's certain commonalities with certain fucking political parties. Uh, when

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<v Speaker 2>I saw it again, I was like, Yo, these motherfuckers got.

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<v Speaker 1>To be leftists, oh big time.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, listen, if they're Nazis, I'd still think they're assholes.

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<v Speaker 2>So I mean, either one. But you know it's just uh, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>you were talking about the balloon and you know they

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<v Speaker 2>they had their little balloon sightings that took them off

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<v Speaker 2>and looking here and there, and then you have this

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<v Speaker 2>Alan Greenfield x OTO member of fucking spewing fucking stories

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<v Speaker 2>and the way they're invoking pain at the end, I'm like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh god, okay.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I had to stop listening. It was it was

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<v Speaker 1>so bad yoing.

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<v Speaker 2>So many people in the OTO or into the Lima

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<v Speaker 2>like watched that ship because of that.

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<v Speaker 1>It was huge for a while, like for what.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, even even like among the witchcraft community, it was known.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah right, it was like, oh you checked that out, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>checked that out.

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<v Speaker 2>And I was like, eh, it's all right.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, but they were pushing it hard and in the LBL,

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<v Speaker 1>like there's a lot of strange sightings, so that whole

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<v Speaker 1>region just you know, hell, you're that you know part

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<v Speaker 1>of Tennessee. Is it Kentucky or Georgia? I forget I

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<v Speaker 1>know geography over in the Mediterranean though, I can tell

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<v Speaker 1>you about that, but I don't know US geography, which

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<v Speaker 1>is kind of strange.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I'm really bad with that. Like I wasn't exactly

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<v Speaker 2>sure where's Wisconsin was when you told me? I told

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<v Speaker 2>I told you a lot more south. I was like, oh, wait,

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<v Speaker 2>you're not that far for flawed.

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<v Speaker 1>Right now, I'm across the lake from Michigan, so so

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<v Speaker 1>I was like, oh, he's actually closer to me when

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<v Speaker 1>I go get weed. Yeah, I just need to grab

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<v Speaker 1>a boat and then I'll be there. But I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>Lake Michigan is so huge it takes you six hours

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<v Speaker 1>to drive around it to you know, complete that one

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<v Speaker 1>hour journey by boat, you know. But I mean the

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<v Speaker 1>whole Great Lakes region is really mysterious, and I think

417
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<v Speaker 1>a lot of people sleep on that because it's like, ah,

418
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<v Speaker 1>it's the Midwest, who cares? But really, the entire Midwest

419
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<v Speaker 1>area is just crawling with mysteries that nobody's even touched yet.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there was, you know, there was some Uh I

421
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<v Speaker 2>don't know why. I think maybe because I've been looking

422
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<v Speaker 2>at it more. I've been getting like hit with like

423
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<v Speaker 2>accounts popping up that are like very on Instagram. They're

424
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<v Speaker 2>very specific in North Carolina, and like just the amount

425
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<v Speaker 2>of like known haunted places and just like weird spots.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, there's a fucked on of shit. Actually, fucking

427
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<v Speaker 2>North Carolina. Yeah, that's just like it's just actually impressive.

428
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<v Speaker 2>It was like I never would have realized it's so

429
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<v Speaker 2>much shit out there, even locally. Yeah, one place, I

430
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<v Speaker 2>think there was one place that someone has gone to.

431
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<v Speaker 2>It's only an hour fifteen minutes away from me. You know,

432
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<v Speaker 2>that's been on TV. If I got the name of

433
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<v Speaker 2>the place, I'm like, fuck, that's over here.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, the entire South having the history of the Great

435
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<v Speaker 1>War and everything going on down there. I don't know

436
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<v Speaker 1>if they actually hit Charlottesville with the Great Fire that

437
00:26:35.000 --> 00:26:37.359
<v Speaker 1>he burned through the South. I forgot the name of

438
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<v Speaker 1>the general, but he went all the way through Atlanta

439
00:26:40.359 --> 00:26:43.160
<v Speaker 1>and just lit the place on fire wherever the Southern

440
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<v Speaker 1>troops could reoccupy. So that was the whole point of

441
00:26:46.519 --> 00:26:50.920
<v Speaker 1>like burning down the South. So in terms of haunted places, like,

442
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<v Speaker 1>I'd put the South on, you know, top of the

443
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<v Speaker 1>list because it was just brutal.

444
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<v Speaker 2>Now they just do it in California.

445
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<v Speaker 1>Right, same ship, dude, it's all the fires. I didn't

446
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<v Speaker 1>put that together.

447
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<v Speaker 2>Well, that is weird shit. When you watched like certain

448
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<v Speaker 2>things popping off, it's like, why is there also always

449
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<v Speaker 2>these wildfires amongst it you know, I have wondered to wait,

450
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<v Speaker 2>I mean, even last two presidential runnings we had wildfires

451
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<v Speaker 2>pop up, maybe even the last three. It's just very weird.

452
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<v Speaker 1>It's a super philosophical research the Manly Polo organization burned down.

453
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<v Speaker 1>That was during the last big California fire. They got

454
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<v Speaker 1>rid of that. PRS sucks, Yeah, damn, but he got

455
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<v Speaker 1>all of his books out of there. He expected it.

456
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<v Speaker 1>All of his books are now down in Florida. I

457
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<v Speaker 1>wonder his entire collection is not in the Philosophical Research Society. Yeah, wow,

458
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<v Speaker 1>I wonder if I should have that was a good choice.

459
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<v Speaker 1>What's that?

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<v Speaker 2>So when I if I have Ronnie Pontiac on again,

461
00:28:03.119 --> 00:28:05.279
<v Speaker 2>which I would like to bring on, I should have him.

462
00:28:05.559 --> 00:28:06.839
<v Speaker 2>I should have him told a little bit on that.

463
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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure he knows about it because he was involved

464
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<v Speaker 2>with many Buhle's he worked for.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, there's like an alchemical library in Florida that has

466
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<v Speaker 1>like all of these amazing works that Manly p Hall

467
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<v Speaker 1>had in his vault that Ronnie Pontiac was working on

468
00:28:24.640 --> 00:28:28.759
<v Speaker 1>that was all shipped down there before any of this

469
00:28:28.799 --> 00:28:32.599
<v Speaker 1>fire shit happened. So it's weird. And the curator of this.

470
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<v Speaker 1>I got to look up at his name. He's like,

471
00:28:35.039 --> 00:28:39.240
<v Speaker 1>knowledge wants to survive, and it's been surviving through these

472
00:28:39.279 --> 00:28:42.680
<v Speaker 1>elites for years, and so these books they kind of

473
00:28:42.720 --> 00:28:45.640
<v Speaker 1>have a life of their own, and they were called here,

474
00:28:45.799 --> 00:28:49.079
<v Speaker 1>and so people donated their shit because they know that

475
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<v Speaker 1>this place is going to be safe, safe from what

476
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<v Speaker 1>what are you talking about? It's it's weird. Is he

477
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<v Speaker 1>saying that knowledge is sentient? Books are sentient? I mean,

478
00:29:02.119 --> 00:29:04.200
<v Speaker 1>weirder shit has happened. But if you think about it,

479
00:29:04.240 --> 00:29:07.440
<v Speaker 1>like there's an interplay between consciousness and the book itself

480
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<v Speaker 1>and the written word. Yeah, there could be a lot

481
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<v Speaker 1>more magic to these. Uh, you know alchemical treatises that

482
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<v Speaker 1>we think.

483
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<v Speaker 2>You start mindfucking the way that you even write and

484
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<v Speaker 2>how light works.

485
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<v Speaker 1>You start wanting the fuck's going on with that?

486
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<v Speaker 2>You're basically like smushing something.

487
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<v Speaker 1>It's it's interesting, Well, didn't they used to put spells

488
00:29:31.279 --> 00:29:35.279
<v Speaker 1>on all of their scrolls, like they would have seals

489
00:29:35.319 --> 00:29:38.000
<v Speaker 1>and like warnings and like you're not supposed to So

490
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<v Speaker 1>this could be a continuation of that sort of like

491
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<v Speaker 1>giving it semi sentience to preserve itself throughout history, just

492
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<v Speaker 1>in case anything happens to mankind.

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<v Speaker 2>That is an interesting thought. It's kind of booked out actually,

494
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<v Speaker 2>right perfect of being stunned right now.

495
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<v Speaker 1>Well, I think the gods kind of survived. You know.

496
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<v Speaker 1>It's like, if you you think about it, all the

497
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<v Speaker 1>gods are found in the written word, and so they're

498
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<v Speaker 1>kind of surviving through our knowledge of them, and so

499
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<v Speaker 1>they have to kind of continue to exist.

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<v Speaker 2>How do you kill a god? You forget about them,

501
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<v Speaker 2>stop talking about it.

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<v Speaker 1>There you go, there you go. Well, this has been

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<v Speaker 1>a great episode. Thank you for joining me, and we'll

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<v Speaker 1>see again next time. When's your next day?

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<v Speaker 2>The eighteenth, Yes, the eighteenth, fort Myers, Florida again. Me

506
00:30:31.880 --> 00:30:33.960
<v Speaker 2>and Timer will be there and Broke from Dark Florida

507
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<v Speaker 2>and part of the Occult Rejects will be speaking I

508
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<v Speaker 2>think from eleven to eleven forty five, and I will

509
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<v Speaker 2>be filming it and be putting it out for her

510
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<v Speaker 2>in the Occult Rejects. But yeah, definitely check it out.

511
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<v Speaker 2>I think it's like fifteen twenty bucks maybe for this one.

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<v Speaker 2>If you're in the area, show up. There's a ton

513
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<v Speaker 2>of boots, a ton of all the podcasts too. This

514
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<v Speaker 2>one should be fun and it's out of Masonic Hole

515
00:30:53.720 --> 00:30:55.880
<v Speaker 2>and the guy throwing it, might be a Mason, so

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<v Speaker 2>come check it out.

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<v Speaker 1>Might be I just found out my landlord's purchasing the

518
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<v Speaker 1>Mesadic hall down the street. I gotta go through it.

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<v Speaker 2>You know it's crazy too. I was just like, yo,

520
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<v Speaker 2>I can't get away from you. What the fuck is

521
00:31:11.319 --> 00:31:13.160
<v Speaker 2>the guy who threw that event? At the last event,

522
00:31:13.200 --> 00:31:14.960
<v Speaker 2>he was like going on how he's been a rotarian

523
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<v Speaker 2>for thirty years.

524
00:31:15.680 --> 00:31:17.200
<v Speaker 1>I was like yo.

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, yo, is everybody associated with the Check

526
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<v Speaker 2>and Flow that throws these fucking events?

527
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<v Speaker 1>They are holy fuck, every one of them.

528
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<v Speaker 2>I'm just being serious people. I don't know how many

529
00:31:26.839 --> 00:31:28.279
<v Speaker 2>people are gonna listen to this one, but I'm just

530
00:31:28.319 --> 00:31:32.519
<v Speaker 2>so serious from my experiences. Motherfucker's throwing these events are

531
00:31:32.559 --> 00:31:36.359
<v Speaker 2>even involved in it's just funny. It's just like we

532
00:31:36.400 --> 00:31:38.279
<v Speaker 2>don't got a shot. They're gonna fucking tell us what

533
00:31:38.319 --> 00:31:40.440
<v Speaker 2>they want us to believe regardless, somehow in some sort

534
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<v Speaker 2>of fashion, right. I mean, there is some good stuff

535
00:31:44.640 --> 00:31:46.400
<v Speaker 2>out there. There is good stuff and good people. Obviously

536
00:31:46.440 --> 00:31:49.079
<v Speaker 2>I have brought people on from these things, but it

537
00:31:49.160 --> 00:31:52.640
<v Speaker 2>is interesting when you start seeing how who's running them.

538
00:31:53.279 --> 00:31:59.079
<v Speaker 1>Wow. Thinking about the Shriner circus, all the entertainment is.

539
00:32:00.079 --> 00:32:02.480
<v Speaker 2>You know, the throws, and people don't even fucking realize.

540
00:32:02.640 --> 00:32:07.759
<v Speaker 1>All right, right, it's it's everything. You could see it

541
00:32:07.799 --> 00:32:11.440
<v Speaker 1>really starkly in Britain because all of the actors have

542
00:32:11.519 --> 00:32:14.039
<v Speaker 1>to be Freemasons, like that's kind of part of their

543
00:32:14.160 --> 00:32:15.039
<v Speaker 1>union contracts.

544
00:32:15.079 --> 00:32:18.279
<v Speaker 2>So oh, that was even a thing that I noticed,

545
00:32:18.319 --> 00:32:20.440
<v Speaker 2>Like not for nothing. People I saw at the Comic Summit,

546
00:32:20.519 --> 00:32:23.200
<v Speaker 2>there was that I knew were associated with certain groups.

547
00:32:23.359 --> 00:32:24.960
<v Speaker 2>All ended up on Danny Jones.

548
00:32:26.039 --> 00:32:30.400
<v Speaker 1>Yep, interesting, he's a brother.

549
00:32:30.880 --> 00:32:34.920
<v Speaker 2>He's a brother, or or if it wasn't him, it

550
00:32:35.039 --> 00:32:37.559
<v Speaker 2>is Joe Rogan's right.

551
00:32:39.160 --> 00:32:42.599
<v Speaker 1>You think Joe Rogan's a mason. He's brought in some club.

552
00:32:43.920 --> 00:32:46.240
<v Speaker 2>Oh no, he was. He was acting gay twenty years ago,

553
00:32:46.240 --> 00:32:47.920
<v Speaker 2>and now it was a totally different fucking persona.

554
00:32:48.079 --> 00:32:49.640
<v Speaker 1>So that's true.

555
00:32:50.160 --> 00:32:52.160
<v Speaker 2>People would to catch him twenty years ago he's walking

556
00:32:52.160 --> 00:32:54.720
<v Speaker 2>around with fishnet fucking top and acting like a girl.

557
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<v Speaker 1>A news radio.

558
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<v Speaker 2>I don't know on whatever he was doing. I've seen

559
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<v Speaker 2>clip someone I was like, you know, it's just if

560
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<v Speaker 2>this guy was to be seen today, the people that

561
00:33:05.039 --> 00:33:06.920
<v Speaker 2>worship people would be fucking shit talking to them all day,

562
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<v Speaker 2>or half of them would be.

563
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<v Speaker 1>All right, all this is a good episode. Thank you

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<v Speaker 1>guys for joining us and we will see you again

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<v Speaker 1>next time. Lada, get those emails out there, mate,