Speaker 1: Good afternoon.
Speaker 2: You're listening to Gambling with an Edge.
Speaker 1: Now Here are your hosts, Bob Dancer and Richard Munchkin.
Speaker 3: Good afternoon, Welcome to Gambling with an Edge. I'm Bob
Speaker 3: Dancer and I'm Richard Munchkin. Today our guest is Jake Jacob,
Speaker 3: who is Richard's older brother, talking about his first autobiography
Speaker 3: called Have Bets, Will Travel. Jake Jacob's welcome the Gambling
Speaker 3: with an Edge. Hi, it's nice to be here, and
Speaker 3: actually it's technically wrong. I wrote the autobiography of Jake
Speaker 3: when I was six years old.
Speaker 4: Okay, before we talk about your second autobiography, how'd you
Speaker 4: get started gamblings?
Speaker 1: Well, I played games for money, but I wouldn't really
Speaker 1: call that gambling. You know, probably everybody in America has
Speaker 1: played poker for at least pennies at some point, so
Speaker 1: you know, I'll distinguish gambling from playing, you know, for
Speaker 1: a living. And I got started because munch called me
Speaker 1: up one night and he said, are you interested in
Speaker 1: moving to Las Vegas and learning to count cards? Because
Speaker 1: if you are, I know a team that is looking
Speaker 1: for players, and they're taking on people with no experience.
Speaker 1: And I said oh yeah. It was winter in Chicago
Speaker 1: and I was more than ready to move to Las Vegas,
Speaker 1: I'll bet so. Uh.
Speaker 2: Just to add to that story, I told him read
Speaker 2: this book and look at this chart, and you know,
Speaker 2: learn these index numbers for you know, when the when
Speaker 2: the count is over zero, you you stand on sixteen
Speaker 2: against a ten, you know, things like that. And he
Speaker 2: got there and you know, I said, so you did that,
Speaker 2: and he's like, yep, yep, I did that and I
Speaker 2: learned it and I've got the numbers. And I was like,
Speaker 2: all right, well so you know, tell me, tell me
Speaker 2: the index numbers. And he's like, uh, you hit seventeen
Speaker 2: against a deuce at minus twenty four.
Speaker 1: But.
Speaker 5: You don't need.
Speaker 2: So yeah, it just learned all the numbers.
Speaker 1: A funny thing that, you know, relating to that though,
Speaker 1: when writing the book, I was telling a story, you know,
Speaker 1: I mentioned that most like jack hands are just not
Speaker 1: very interesting. You know, you're you're okay, you here, or
Speaker 1: your stand your double bullum, it's all the same thing
Speaker 1: over and over again. But I had a really really
Speaker 1: unusual play come up. I had a pair of threes
Speaker 1: against a seven, and it was right not to split
Speaker 1: and so I hit, and I caught a ten, and
Speaker 1: of course if it was right not to split, it
Speaker 1: was also right not to hit. So I now stood
Speaker 1: on sixteen against the seven. The dealer turned over nine
Speaker 1: and busted. And this actually happened to me twice a
Speaker 1: year apart. So I had the identical hand in the
Speaker 1: identical parlay twice. But I was talking too munchkin, I think,
Speaker 1: and I said something about it, and he said, well,
Speaker 1: you know, there's no number you know, for not splitting
Speaker 1: three's when the count gets high. And I said, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sure there is. And I looked in long and
Speaker 1: it's not in long. So I had to go out
Speaker 1: and buy a copy of Julian Braun's book, the book
Speaker 1: that I learned from. And in Julian Braun's book, if
Speaker 1: you're playing four decks, dealer stands on soft seventeen, which
Speaker 1: is what I would have been playing back in nineteen
Speaker 1: eighty two, there is an index number. And you know,
Speaker 1: so you do stand freeze against a seven if the
Speaker 1: colb is greater than plus.
Speaker 2: Twelve, not stan you hit hit I mean yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I mean not not split.
Speaker 4: Yeah. And of all the blackjack players out there, what percentage.
Speaker 4: Do you think know that number?
Speaker 1: Even the ones who.
Speaker 2: Know the number, probably none of them have ever had
Speaker 2: the play happen.
Speaker 1: Right, you know, right? I mean the only the only
Speaker 1: guy I ever met that knew the number was the
Speaker 1: man who ran my first team, Arthur Goldberg. I remember
Speaker 1: once we had some conversation about that number being unusual.
Speaker 1: So he must have also hit Bronze book.
Speaker 4: Well it wasn't even in Peter Griffin.
Speaker 2: Probably was, but Peter, yeah, yeah, I think we have
Speaker 2: to dig for it. I think, actually, no, you know what,
Speaker 2: it probably wasn't because I don't know if Peter had
Speaker 2: index numbers for the high low in his book. I
Speaker 2: don't think he'd.
Speaker 4: But now there are there's a ton of stories in
Speaker 4: this book. I hope you like stories. Now, listeners to
Speaker 4: this show will recognize many of the characters in the story,
Speaker 4: and since Munchkin is a regular character in some of
Speaker 4: these stories, you've heard Munchkins versions of the same story
Speaker 4: on the air. Now we also learned the name of
Speaker 4: about thirty bar girls of the nineteen eighties work in Korea,
Speaker 4: Hong Kong, or other Asian locales. I am struggling to
Speaker 4: find why I want to know the name of thirty
Speaker 4: bar girls from the eighties in Asia. Do you have
Speaker 4: any good answer to that? Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the I think that with most blackjack books,
Speaker 1: or most gambling books, people you know, say, Okay, you know,
Speaker 1: I went to the I went to the table, and
Speaker 1: I did this, and so it's really about the actual
Speaker 1: act of gambling, and there's certainly a lot of that
Speaker 1: in my book. But I did things in the book. Oh,
Speaker 1: I did things in my life which I put in
Speaker 1: the book, which happened. I think only because I was
Speaker 1: a gambler. I was just telling somebody the other day,
Speaker 1: I said, you know, in the book, I talk about
Speaker 1: walking down a pitch black alley in Korea following a pimp.
Speaker 1: I've got one hundred thousand dollars in my pocket. I've
Speaker 1: only been in the country for a week. I don't
Speaker 1: speak Korean. I'm looking for a stranger who I've been
Speaker 1: told does not speak English, who might be able to
Speaker 1: help me change money. And you know, I'm thinking, boy,
Speaker 1: I hope this turns out. Okay, Now, what can go wrong? Yeah, Now,
Speaker 1: that's the kind of thing that you know, if I said, well,
Speaker 1: I did that because I was a gambler. People would
Speaker 1: say that makes sense, But I also, you know, once
Speaker 1: walked down a dark alley in Cola Lumpo looking for
Speaker 1: the world's best noodles. And that also happened because I
Speaker 1: was a gambler and wouldn't have happened if I wasn't.
Speaker 1: And you know, the bar girls, it was part of
Speaker 1: the scene. I mean, you know the girls that you mentioned,
Speaker 1: you know I was dating, They weren't all bar girls.
Speaker 1: You know. The first one that I mentioned, I think
Speaker 1: is a Rah. And you know what attracted me to
Speaker 1: her is that she could count up to ten of
Speaker 1: the forty eighth minus one, you know, using the Korean
Speaker 1: system of numbers, and not many people you know, know
Speaker 1: the names of you know, really really large numbers. And
Speaker 1: I you know, I said, now this is this is
Speaker 1: a woman after my own heart. So that's how we
Speaker 1: started dating.
Speaker 4: Wow, I could see just imagine the interview process on that.
Speaker 4: So I'm old enough to remember the Western that ran
Speaker 4: for six seasons starting in nineteen fifty seven called Have Gun,
Speaker 4: Will Travel? Was that show the inspiration for the title
Speaker 4: of your book?
Speaker 1: It was? Yeah, yeah, you could call me the Paladin
Speaker 1: of gambling.
Speaker 4: Do you see your Do you see analogs between you
Speaker 4: and Richard Boone's character.
Speaker 1: No, not really. I just I like the title. I
Speaker 1: you know, I struggled with a good title, and I
Speaker 1: decided that that one resonated.
Speaker 2: I was drawn more toward Maverick. He was the one
Speaker 2: who was a gambler in those older and he always
Speaker 2: had a thousand dollars bill pinned on the inside of
Speaker 2: his jacket just in case.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, that's what this country needs, is a
Speaker 1: good thousand dollars bill.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Korea had them.
Speaker 5: I mean they were they were checks, but yeah, yeah,
Speaker 5: but yo, Singapore negotia checks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Singapore not only has thousand dollars bills, but they
Speaker 1: have ten thousand dollar bills how and they used to
Speaker 1: be in circulation, but they I believe they still exist,
Speaker 1: but the government really tried to take them out of circulation,
Speaker 1: and about ten years ago or so it became a very,
Speaker 1: very big deal. I remember my favorite money changer freaked
Speaker 1: out when I brought one to him and he said,
Speaker 1: where did you get that? And I said, I think
Speaker 1: I got that from you. Actually.
Speaker 4: Now, this book covers the start of your gambling career
Speaker 4: basically through the end of the eighties.
Speaker 1: Through nineteen ninety two, the spring of nineteen ninety two. Now,
Speaker 1: you didn't stop gambling at that time, and I'm confident
Speaker 1: you have many stories from later years. I am working
Speaker 1: on a sequel. And you know again, when I started out,
Speaker 1: I thought, well, I'm going to write, you know, about
Speaker 1: my gambling career from soup to nuts. And I I
Speaker 1: started writing it, and I said, you know, oh, this
Speaker 1: would be an awfully, awfully long book if I covered
Speaker 1: everything that happened over the past forty some years. And
Speaker 1: so I tried to narrow it. So I didn't even
Speaker 1: include all of my blackjack play. I just I thought
Speaker 1: that I had covered, you know, the most interesting portions
Speaker 1: of it. I talk a little bit about playing backamt
Speaker 1: but not you know, not a lot I'd mentioned. I think,
Speaker 1: you know, horse racing would be in my future. But
Speaker 1: so I'm now working on a book that will look
Speaker 1: only at horse racing.
Speaker 4: Was that in Hong Kong or other places as well?
Speaker 1: Well? It's actually in. It will be in three parts.
Speaker 1: The first part I worked for a guy before I
Speaker 1: ever got into gambling. I worked at a cab company
Speaker 1: and my boss was a degenerate gambler, and he lost
Speaker 1: over half a million dollars betting on horses, which was
Speaker 1: a bigger problem than it sounds me because he didn't
Speaker 1: have a half a million dollars, so we had to
Speaker 1: steal it from Western Union. So, you know, a pretty
Speaker 1: interesting situation, and I had kind of a ringside seat
Speaker 1: for the whole thing. But that's that's a short section.
Speaker 1: In nineteen the fall of nineteen ninety seven, my old
Speaker 1: friend Bill Benner got a hold of me and I
Speaker 1: knew from visits to Hong Kong in the eighties in
Speaker 1: the nineties, and also you know, playing blackjack with the
Speaker 1: team Bill was involved with in Atlantic City. I knew
Speaker 1: that he, you know, was over there betting on horses.
Speaker 1: I had actually watched Alan Woods betting on horses on
Speaker 1: racing days because I used to stay at his apartment
Speaker 1: and Bill. They had had problems and Bill called up.
Speaker 1: I wanted to know if I wanted to come over
Speaker 1: and run bets for him, So I went over there
Speaker 1: in January of nineteen ninety eight, right after the tie
Speaker 1: open Backham return, and then you know, worked for him
Speaker 1: off and on for about five years. I had a
Speaker 1: key to an apartment in Hong Kong that belonged to
Speaker 1: the the operation, and so I used to when I
Speaker 1: was on my way tour from somewhere like Thailand, I'd,
Speaker 1: you know, call up and say it is anybody using
Speaker 1: the apartment? The answer was always no, and then I,
Speaker 1: you know, I'd come and stay in the apartment. I'd say, hey,
Speaker 1: if you need, you know, you needed anybody to work a
Speaker 1: couple of weekends. But then I that had, you know,
Speaker 1: petered out. I mean, he kind of moved his operation.
Speaker 1: He was still betting on Hong Kong racing, but he
Speaker 1: wasn't using outside people to come in and bet. And
Speaker 1: I was here in Tucson, I just finished writing my
Speaker 1: mystery novel. I got a call from one of the
Speaker 1: guys that I knew from both Atlantic City and from
Speaker 1: from Hong Kong, and he said, do you want to
Speaker 1: come over to Japan. It's a temporary job, just three months,
Speaker 1: possibly six. You could come over and everything could fall
Speaker 1: apart right away. So you'll be guaranteed one month's pay
Speaker 1: even if you get here and have to turn around
Speaker 1: and go back. But otherwise, you know, your travel expenses
Speaker 1: are paid for, your housing is paid for, and you know,
Speaker 1: you get a monthly salary, a pretty good one. So
Speaker 1: are you interested? And I said, you know, heck yeah.
Speaker 1: And I went over there and they, you know, it
Speaker 1: looked like they were going to use me then after
Speaker 1: the new year for another three months. And by that
Speaker 1: point I thought, okay, you know, I'm kind of in
Speaker 1: on the ground floor here, so how can I make
Speaker 1: myself indispensable? And it was sixteen years before I came
Speaker 1: back to Tucson. I mean, I came back for visits,
Speaker 1: but I lived overseas from the time I went over
Speaker 1: in the fall of two thousand and four until the
Speaker 1: fall of twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: So I want to because the book is long and big,
Speaker 2: and as Bob said, many many stories. But you mentioned
Speaker 2: playing in Atlantic City for Bill, and there are just
Speaker 2: two stories that I'd like you to tell, you know,
Speaker 2: so the first the first is about needing batteries for
Speaker 2: the computer. Yeah, okay, And we should preface that by
Speaker 2: saying you guys were using legally using computers in the casino.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, the computers. I think we're legal into
Speaker 1: the early twenty first century. I read some of you,
Speaker 1: James Grostein playing with them, you know, about two thousand
Speaker 1: and two, just because that was.
Speaker 2: That was in California. We played right up all New
Speaker 2: Year's Eve up until the midnight when the law changed.
Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't know, and you know, and actually
Speaker 1: I almost got involved in testifying before the New Jersey
Speaker 1: Senate subcommittee. I went to a hearing of theirs, but
Speaker 1: I didn't have to have to talk. But yeah, the
Speaker 1: computers were still legal. So we're we're playing with computers.
Speaker 1: And if you've ever played with computers, you know that
Speaker 1: it's a pain in the neck keeping them up and running.
Speaker 1: They're constantly breaking down. There's all sorts of equipment issues.
Speaker 1: And one of the issues they go through batteries. And
Speaker 1: the batteries were you know, D batteries, they were big batteries.
Speaker 1: So the guy that was in charge of maintaining everything
Speaker 1: was Richard Doherty, who was a legendary player. He is
Speaker 1: the second most arrested player in Atlantic idiot, and he
Speaker 1: was the guy who was, you know, giving all the
Speaker 1: odd jobs, and he took care of the equipment, you know,
Speaker 1: quite well. But anyway, he needed batteries. He said, come on,
Speaker 1: you want to go get batteries. And Atlantic City is
Speaker 1: this long sleazy boardwalk with fortune tellers and saltwater taffy
Speaker 1: and dollar stores. And we went into one of these
Speaker 1: dollar stores. The owner was a fat guy with a
Speaker 1: cigar clenched between his teeth, and his cashier was named Mona,
Speaker 1: and she had, you know, the big hair, and she's
Speaker 1: snapping her gum. And we walk in there and Richard says,
Speaker 1: you got any D batteries. The guy says, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: we got round his cigar. He so, yeah, we got
Speaker 1: de batteries. Back here, come on. So we go back
Speaker 1: in this aisle and down on the bottom shelf there's
Speaker 1: a there's a box and it's got about forty D
Speaker 1: batteries and Richard says, yeah, okay, I'll take them. And
Speaker 1: the guy says all of them. And Richard says, yeah,
Speaker 1: take all of them. And he said, kid, what are
Speaker 1: you gonna do with forty D batteries? And Richard's eyes
Speaker 1: get really big and he said, oh, well, you know,
Speaker 1: I got my wife one of those vibrator singies. And
Speaker 1: she said, honey, if you bring home some batteries tonight
Speaker 1: the night. And the guy, he's trying to picture what
Speaker 1: you can do with forty D batteries he just about
Speaker 1: hold his cigar. He's like, do you hear that, Mona?
Speaker 1: She said, yeah, guy born his wife one of those
Speaker 1: vibrator thinges. Yeah, I hoid.
Speaker 4: The first time I heard you tell that story, it
Speaker 4: was I think it was written on Facebook and you
Speaker 4: said that this was Richard and I didn't realize it
Speaker 4: was Richard Doherty. I was pretty sure it was Richard Munchkin.
Speaker 4: And and it does sound like a one liner that
Speaker 4: Munchkin could have come up with. Well that's proved, and
Speaker 4: so I was. I didn't understand it. I didn't understand
Speaker 4: actually what happened, but it was still funny.
Speaker 2: So the other story that I think you should tell,
Speaker 2: and this is really more in the weeds for our
Speaker 2: blackjack players out there, is the story of the memory game.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was why I went to Atlantic City in
Speaker 1: the first place. Bill Benner had he'd been on the
Speaker 1: phone with the Munchkin and he said, you know, any
Speaker 1: cardcomers with a good memory? And Bunch said, well, what
Speaker 1: about Jake. So he caught me up and he says,
Speaker 1: you know, can you come out to Atlantic City? And
Speaker 1: so I got there and apparently Bill had been playing
Speaker 1: the high Rollers pit at Harris. And you know, you
Speaker 1: probably know if you're a blackjack player, that casinos, every
Speaker 1: casino has a routine. Dealers don't just decide, well, I'll
Speaker 1: shuffle this way now and I'll shuffle a different way
Speaker 1: the next time. They have to follow a set routine
Speaker 1: that's come down from on high. And the Bill noticed
Speaker 1: that there was a dealer there named Scott, and Scott
Speaker 1: had an unusual move. He was not the only dealer
Speaker 1: with this move. Maybe two percent of the dealers out
Speaker 1: there had and usually they were experienced dealers. When the
Speaker 1: cards are interwoven, I mean, in theory they're interwoven, but
Speaker 1: in practice, some of these dealers miss time their move,
Speaker 1: and so they start releasing the cards with one hand
Speaker 1: before they begin releasing with the other hand. And the
Speaker 1: effect of that is that a number of cards what
Speaker 1: we were calling a clump, drops down unshuffled before the
Speaker 1: rest of the cards begin to interweave. And you know,
Speaker 1: some do it only a little bit, others do it
Speaker 1: a lot. Scott did it a whole lot. He would
Speaker 1: drop fifteen or twenty unshuffled cards because his timing was
Speaker 1: off that much, pretty consistently. And but you know, one
Speaker 1: of the things about it is that, you know, these
Speaker 1: clumping dealers, they tend to always drop with one hand
Speaker 1: or the other. So Scott was, you know, shuffling, and
Speaker 1: it meant that, you know, there was a certain group
Speaker 1: of cards that were getting that were left unshuffled all
Speaker 1: the way through the shuffle, and Bill you know, had
Speaker 1: to a limited extent, been taking advantage of that. He like,
Speaker 1: memorized some cards, go to the bathroom, write them down,
Speaker 1: come back chat with Scott a little more. While Scott
Speaker 1: was on a dead game and he'd be memorizing a
Speaker 1: few more cards, he'd go back to the bathroom and
Speaker 1: you know, try to figure out what to do about it.
Speaker 1: But this had evolved. So the way it worked is
Speaker 1: I now I had gone in and I had you know,
Speaker 1: introduced myself to the casino by playing some baccara for
Speaker 1: a thousand and two thousand a hand, which also let
Speaker 1: me accumulate some orange chips, because I was going to
Speaker 1: be going in there with a lot lot of orange
Speaker 1: chips when we played. And then I set up a suite.
Speaker 1: And in those days you could actually get away with
Speaker 1: checking in without ID. They didn't like it, but it
Speaker 1: could be done. And you know, so I was going
Speaker 1: in under you know, a fake name. I wasn't giving
Speaker 1: them my real name. I had with me a woman
Speaker 1: named Anita. Anita and EARV were members of the same
Speaker 1: country club as Tommy Hyland, and Tommy used a lot
Speaker 1: of people from the country club as big players as
Speaker 1: you know, what have you. So Anita was going to
Speaker 1: be with me posing as my girlfriend to eat cards.
Speaker 1: And this was also a psychological ploy of Bills. See,
Speaker 1: he figured that the trophy girlfriend was something that you know,
Speaker 1: bosses knew. But Anita was twice my age and so
Speaker 1: she definitely did not look like a trophy maybe a
Speaker 1: trophy grandmother. But anyway, she was, you know, going to
Speaker 1: distract the bosses who were going to be wondering what
Speaker 1: I was doing with her. At least that was what
Speaker 1: Bill thought. So we would go in and we would
Speaker 1: bet five hands the first couple of rounds, but it
Speaker 1: was mainly the first round that was of interest and
Speaker 1: somebody else. We had various people that had been trained
Speaker 1: in the Harry Lorraine memory system would come by the
Speaker 1: first hand of the shoe and they would memorize the
Speaker 1: ranks of the cards. They didn't need to worry about
Speaker 1: the suits, and then they would run to a house
Speaker 1: phone and they would call up to my suite and
Speaker 1: they'd rattle them off to Bill, and Bill would then
Speaker 1: call the rents where we had our apartment. That would
Speaker 1: be input into a computer and the computer would analyze
Speaker 1: and it would determine that, you know, if we were
Speaker 1: in say the let's say we were at the third
Speaker 1: card in the string. Well, they what you got was
Speaker 1: we looked at the third through twelve cards in the string,
Speaker 1: and it would say, okay, you're at the say the
Speaker 1: third card in the string, and if you play two
Speaker 1: hands of basic strategy, you can win, you know, two bats.
Speaker 1: Or maybe you play one hand and you play mimicking
Speaker 1: the dealer. You know always hit the seventeen and they
Speaker 1: always stand at seventeen. You mimic the dealer and you
Speaker 1: play one hand and you're guaranteed a winner. So it
Speaker 1: you know, you'd work that out for ten cards, the
Speaker 1: third through twelfth card. Now I have memorized the suit
Speaker 1: and rank of the first two cards in that string,
Speaker 1: so I'm keeping those two cards in my head. It
Speaker 1: gets to the shuffle. Scott is now shuffling the cards
Speaker 1: and at this point. I and I had practiced this
Speaker 1: move we had we had I was wearing a suit
Speaker 1: and in my pocket I had a pager. Now we
Speaker 1: had propped the pager so that it was resting high
Speaker 1: on a wad of toilet papers, so it was high inphanacy,
Speaker 1: and the pocket was propped open so it wouldn't accidentally
Speaker 1: close over the top of the pager, but it was
Speaker 1: concealed by my suitcoat. Now I had this cheap three
Speaker 1: dollars watch. If Anita was the cheap three dollar girlfriend,
Speaker 1: this was the cheap three dollar watch that would be
Speaker 1: the non rolex. And because I was an eccentric millionaire,
Speaker 1: so I had this move down where I would, you know,
Speaker 1: I and I practiced it. I would I would take
Speaker 1: my arm and i'd you know, go like this to
Speaker 1: look at the watch, and it would move my suitcoat
Speaker 1: back and I would glance down at the watch and
Speaker 1: just for about two or three seconds. But what I'd
Speaker 1: really be looking at that was the pager and there
Speaker 1: would be a string, a ten string of numbers, So
Speaker 1: in that glance, I would memorize the ten digits and
Speaker 1: then I would, you know, put my arm down and
Speaker 1: the suit would cover up the pagery again, so the
Speaker 1: eye in the sky would only have had that two
Speaker 1: or three second window of opportunity, and it's unlikely they
Speaker 1: would ever notice that, you know, there was a pager
Speaker 1: with numbers in there. So now I'm I'm remembering the
Speaker 1: two cards from the previous shoe the two cards from
Speaker 1: the new shoe firsthand, and I've cut the string to
Speaker 1: about a deck and a half in now, Anita and
Speaker 1: I would be playing, and she'd be eating cards, playing
Speaker 1: triple five hundreds to eat cards because we had a
Speaker 1: five hundred dollars minimum game while I'm playing orange chips
Speaker 1: thousand dollar chips. And then I'd tell her, oh, sit out,
Speaker 1: I feel you know, I feel lucky of playing one
Speaker 1: hand for now. And then what would happen is when
Speaker 1: the two cards key cards appeared in order, I'd go, okay,
Speaker 1: I mean the string, and let's say that there was
Speaker 1: card number one, card number two, and two more cards appeared,
Speaker 1: so now I know that I needed the third number
Speaker 1: in the string. And let's say that third number was six,
Speaker 1: So a six would tell me that I needed to
Speaker 1: play three hens of five thousand dollars of reverse basic strategy.
Speaker 1: In other words, if I had like thirteen against a five,
Speaker 1: I would hit, but you know, if the dealer had
Speaker 1: a big card, I would stand and you know whatever,
Speaker 1: and so that you know, in theory, we'd be generating
Speaker 1: a lot winners. What made this more complicated than it
Speaker 1: sounds is that Scott was unreleased. Now luckily, you know,
Speaker 1: it was only a four table pit, but it meant
Speaker 1: that I had to try to predict where he was
Speaker 1: going to be and be there when he you know,
Speaker 1: when he shuffled. But I'd also have to try to
Speaker 1: get you know, the h the first hand and memorize
Speaker 1: the key cards. And just to make things more interesting,
Speaker 1: Bill couldn't stand not to get you know, up to
Speaker 1: the minute play by play reports, especially if there had
Speaker 1: been a lock winter or might have been a lock winter.
Speaker 1: So he wanted me practically every shoe to go up
Speaker 1: to the suite. So now we'd go up to the
Speaker 1: suite and I'd report in and then he'd say, okay,
Speaker 1: go on back. Now I'd go back, and now I'd
Speaker 1: be looking around the pit and trying to figure out
Speaker 1: what table do I want to be at, And then
Speaker 1: we'd hit that table and say to the boss says okay,
Speaker 1: could I have a five hundred dollars minimum on this table,
Speaker 1: and then you know, we'd leave again. And I guess
Speaker 1: they thought I was banging the Jesus out of Anita.
Speaker 1: But whatever they were thinking, you know, they began to
Speaker 1: think it was pretty weird. And the amount of heat,
Speaker 1: I mean, they were taking the play, but they'd figured
Speaker 1: out that I'd given them false you know, a false
Speaker 1: name and false information. And they had two bosses watching
Speaker 1: me all the time. But whenever, you know, lock winter
Speaker 1: would come up, or you know, a big swing, because
Speaker 1: you know, randomly I was having big swings with amounts.
Speaker 1: I was betting there'd suddenly be four more bosses, so
Speaker 1: there'd be six bosses lined up in a falling. So
Speaker 1: all of them standing there staring at me. Well, I'm
Speaker 1: trying to look nonchalant, but you know, remember all these numbers,
Speaker 1: and you know, I've got a good memory. But after
Speaker 1: a while I realized that I was having trouble forgetting,
Speaker 1: you know, because by now I'd memorized a whole lot
Speaker 1: of two card combinations and a whole lot of ten
Speaker 1: digit numbers. And they were beginning as I got more
Speaker 1: and more tired and stressed and I'd go up to
Speaker 1: the room and you know, two o'clock in the morning
Speaker 1: and there were twenty people crammed.
Speaker 2: In the room.
Speaker 1: There's no room for me to sit or lie down
Speaker 1: on the bed, so I'm lying on the floor and
Speaker 1: people are stepping over me and I'm just you know,
Speaker 1: and then they'd go, okay, time to go and yeah, yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: and go back down and I do it again, and
Speaker 1: you know, by four o'clock in the morning when we wrapped,
Speaker 1: I was just you know, I was limp.
Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, when when we talk about moving beyond counting,
Speaker 2: I think many people have no idea how complicated and
Speaker 2: difficult some of these plays can be. But the edge
Speaker 2: on that play was just massive, sure.
Speaker 1: I mean, because you know, when you get a lock winner,
Speaker 1: you've got a lock winner. So you're betting one, two,
Speaker 1: three hens of five thousand at a time knowing that
Speaker 1: you're going to win. Yet that's pretty strong.
Speaker 2: So even if you only get one shoe per hout,
Speaker 2: it's still a great, you know play.
Speaker 1: Well, it turned out that Bill told me that there
Speaker 1: were like a half a dozen guys that tried to
Speaker 1: do it, and there were only two of us, so
Speaker 1: were able to do it, you know, to actually pull
Speaker 1: it off. The other guy, of course, was you know,
Speaker 1: Mike Mihalic and who was part of the you know,
Speaker 1: part of the team at the time. And Mike, Mike,
Speaker 1: I guess got you know, he had Scott on the
Speaker 1: table all night long. Now, I generated and I can't
Speaker 1: remember why it was on the mount. I generated thirty
Speaker 1: eight thousand, five hundred winners. Mike generated sixty. But the
Speaker 1: difference is that we took a net loss on you know,
Speaker 1: after all the smoke cleared and he added up everybody's
Speaker 1: you know, action, we had lost seventeen thousand dollars. That
Speaker 1: was the actual result. Mike plays, he generates sixty thousand
Speaker 1: in ev but he wins one hundred and fifty. And
Speaker 1: he also he was playing some baccara for cover and
Speaker 1: he won another twenty on the baccara table. And the
Speaker 1: night before he had gone in and played some baccaraj
Speaker 1: just to establish himself, and he won fifty. And Harris
Speaker 1: thought that he was up to some kind of baccara
Speaker 1: scam the one hundred and fifty and Blackjack had any
Speaker 1: even mention to it. Was the baccara that was messing
Speaker 1: with their minds.
Speaker 4: Wow. Another story that I like was from Korea. I
Speaker 4: think you were part of a team and some money
Speaker 4: had gone missing and you were falsely accused of it.
Speaker 1: Oh no, no, that was way back in. That was
Speaker 1: in Las Vegas when I first started on.
Speaker 4: And you had to take a light detector test, right,
Speaker 4: and that had interesting results. Can you share that story?
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, what happened? The team had terrible results.
Speaker 1: This was the very first team I ever played on,
Speaker 1: and I personally I couldn't win. And I kept asking people,
Speaker 1: you know, come watch me play, and they'd watch me
Speaker 1: play and they'd say, you know, you're not doing anything wrong,
Speaker 1: but you're not very lucky.
Speaker 5: Exactly what happened to me when I started. So I
Speaker 5: was stuck fourteen thousand dollars, but the bank roll was stuck.
Speaker 5: We were on a forty thousand dollars bankroll, and the
Speaker 5: bank roll was stuck, you know, at least that much,
Speaker 5: maybe more. And Arthur called a halt and he wanted
Speaker 5: to refinance, and he went to Chuck, the head of
Speaker 5: the Czech team, who was a friend of his, and
Speaker 5: Chuck was going to refinance, but asked, did everybody on
Speaker 5: the team take polygraph tests. So I have to get
Speaker 5: up early in the morning, which is something I hadn't
Speaker 5: done in ten years. But I got up early on
Speaker 5: I think it was a Saturday morning, and I went
Speaker 5: in and there's a young guy there, you know, looks
Speaker 5: like a cop want to be and he you know, hi,
Speaker 5: how are you? And I don't know if you've ever
Speaker 5: had a polygraph test or seen a real one administered,
Speaker 5: But what they do is they ask you a series
Speaker 5: of questions, general questions, and they established kind of a
Speaker 5: baseline questions like, you know, is your name Bob the answer?
Speaker 5: And do you live in Las Vegas? That that kind
Speaker 5: of thing to which you expect to answer yes. They
Speaker 5: actually want you to answer yes.
Speaker 1: Oh. But first thing that well, they asked these questions,
Speaker 1: but they also they perform a card trick. They have
Speaker 1: you pick a card and then they go through the
Speaker 1: deck a couple of times, and you're supposed to answer
Speaker 1: no to every card, and then they say, you know,
Speaker 1: was your card so and so? And when you say yes,
Speaker 1: you know it was such and such, they say, aha,
Speaker 1: you know you are you know, a good candidate for
Speaker 1: a light detective test. This shows that the test works
Speaker 1: on you and.
Speaker 2: It's a card trick. That's a scam, right they know.
Speaker 1: I'm sure it is. Nobody's ever said yes, that's what's
Speaker 1: going on, but I'm certain that's what's going on. That
Speaker 1: you know, they're psychologically prepping you for for the test,
Speaker 1: especially in light of what happened. I'm sure that it
Speaker 1: was a scam. Because anyway, oh yeah, you're a good
Speaker 1: candidate for the test, so great. So there are about
Speaker 1: five questions that are these baseline neutral questions, and then
Speaker 1: there are five questions about, you know, did you ever
Speaker 1: tip with bank well money? And have you ever violated
Speaker 1: team policy? And did you steal any money? And a
Speaker 1: couple more like that. So we run through the test
Speaker 1: twice and again that's I guess standard procedure. And now
Speaker 1: he says, I've got to go out of the room
Speaker 1: take care of something, but we'll probably do the test
Speaker 1: one more time. Do you want to think about any
Speaker 1: of your answers? And so anyway comes back in. We
Speaker 1: go through another time, and you know, I answered the
Speaker 1: same way each each way and each time, and now
Speaker 1: he says, well, he said, are you sure you don't
Speaker 1: want to change any of your answers? And I said, yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm sure, you know, I you know, my answers are
Speaker 1: my answers. And he said, well, you know, I think
Speaker 1: you've lied all the questions. I think you stole the
Speaker 1: fourteen thousand dollars and that's what I'm going to have
Speaker 1: to report to mister Golver. And I was stunned and
Speaker 1: I said what and he oh yeah, and so so
Speaker 1: I said, well, you know, you can report anything you want,
Speaker 1: but you know I didn't steal any money. I didn't
Speaker 1: lie to any questions. And I walked out of there,
Speaker 1: and you know, I felt like I was going to
Speaker 1: pass out. I mean, this was Kafka asked, is the
Speaker 1: word that describes it? I just I couldn't believe what
Speaker 1: had happened. And so I got right on the phone
Speaker 1: and I called up Arthur and I told him, you
Speaker 1: know what happened. They had a team meeting without me,
Speaker 1: and nobody on the team believed the results that they
Speaker 1: wanted to be retested. So I go back in and
Speaker 1: this time it's an older guy and he looks at
Speaker 1: me and he smiles and he said I knew you
Speaker 1: were going to be fat. And I said, oh, yeah, thanks,
Speaker 1: how's that? And he said well, us fat guy. He
Speaker 1: was also overweight. He said, us fat guys, the test
Speaker 1: doesn't really work on us. And he suddenly, here's your
Speaker 1: results from last week, which it turns out it was
Speaker 1: his son that had administered the test. He owned the firm,
Speaker 1: his son and administered the test the week before. So
Speaker 1: he's showing me and he said, now, this past registers,
Speaker 1: you know, your respiration. This pen registers the electrical impulses
Speaker 1: and your fingertips based on your perspiration, and you know,
Speaker 1: this is your heart rate. And so he was showing
Speaker 1: me that two and a half of the pins, you know,
Speaker 1: two pins completely just toting flatline, nothing, no result. It
Speaker 1: was like, you know, I wasn't even there. One of
Speaker 1: them was totally erratic. And then only one of them,
Speaker 1: the fingertip one was showing, you know, some actual signs
Speaker 1: of life. And so what had happened was that the
Speaker 1: first examiner didn't understand blackjack and assumed that his mission
Speaker 1: was to find somebody who had stolen money. That was
Speaker 1: the way he understood what was happening. Nobody had stolen
Speaker 1: any money. And it didn't help that when he was
Speaker 1: asking everybody else on the team had dirty secrets. You know,
Speaker 1: they they had tipped lots of money. They were making
Speaker 1: cover bets. Some of them were paying for taxis with
Speaker 1: team money. They want of them paid the rent with
Speaker 1: team money. And then he gets to me, and I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: are you kidding? That's against the rules. I wouldn't do
Speaker 1: it anything like that. And actually I had tipped. I tipped,
Speaker 1: you know. He says, well, you know, like, is it
Speaker 1: more than three hundred dollars. No, it's less than five dollars.
Speaker 1: You know, the cocktail waitress would come around with my coke,
Speaker 1: and you know, sometimes I took a fifty cent piece
Speaker 1: from an odd black jacket gave it tour and you know,
Speaker 1: I probably did that a couple of times, and you know,
Speaker 1: it was team money, but I felt a little bad
Speaker 1: about it. But anyway, and it turned out that the
Speaker 1: least anybody else on the team had tipped was one
Speaker 1: hundred dollars. So you know, now I come in and
Speaker 1: I sound like I'm too good to be true, but
Speaker 1: I'm also the guy who lost fourteen thousand. So anyway,
Speaker 1: the guy said, okay, we're going to do the test again.
Speaker 1: Now hold your arm. He had me hold my arm
Speaker 1: real tight against my side, and he said that'll help.
Speaker 1: And now it went from about one and a half
Speaker 1: pins to about two and a half pins. And he said, okay, well,
Speaker 1: now it looks like three of the questions you're telling
Speaker 1: the truth and the other two are ambiguous. And so
Speaker 1: I'll report that to mister Goldberg. And you know that
Speaker 1: was and then we got refinanced and when life went on,
Speaker 1: but I vowed that I would never again take any
Speaker 1: sort of you know, whether there was a light detector,
Speaker 1: whether it was sodium pentathol, which was once proposed. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, it was not a not proposed to me specifically,
Speaker 1: but just a team that was trying to recruit me
Speaker 1: mentioned that they were going to use it was either
Speaker 1: sodium pentathal or voice stress as policy the test members
Speaker 1: of the team. And I said, I don't care what
Speaker 1: you're doing. I'm not going through that again. You know,
Speaker 1: so not interested.
Speaker 2: So we could go on here all day long, literally,
Speaker 2: because there are so many stories in the book. But
Speaker 2: I think another one that people will appreciate is the
Speaker 2: boss at the Tropicana asking you if you are at
Speaker 2: a hard counter.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so I had been getting weird heat, you know,
Speaker 1: i'd go into these places, and actually I had gotten
Speaker 1: back room at the Union Plaza and they literally had
Speaker 1: seen nothing. I mean, I went in and it was
Speaker 1: a Friday night. It was really crowded, and I decided
Speaker 1: it was too crowded to play. So, you know, I
Speaker 1: maybe I had varied my bet from twenty five dollars
Speaker 1: to fifty dollars and I got back ruled, and I
Speaker 1: was pretty freaked out about that. But I went into
Speaker 1: the Tropicana and I figured, great, you know, I'm going in.
Speaker 1: It's a high limit casino and I never played the
Speaker 1: Tropicana at all to this point. So I went in
Speaker 1: there on day shift and I sit down at a
Speaker 1: table and the two bosses in the pit looked at me,
Speaker 1: and I just picked up body language that they were
Speaker 1: reacting to my presence, and I thought, I am really
Speaker 1: getting paranoid because these people have never seen me, so
Speaker 1: you know what, you know, why would they be reacting
Speaker 1: like that. I must be imagining things and I'm playing,
Speaker 1: and you know, I haven't had any big bets yet,
Speaker 1: I haven't done anything. And another boss, a high roller,
Speaker 1: sat down and he asked for a thousand dollars marker
Speaker 1: and this other boss, who turned out to be the
Speaker 1: shift manager, came to the table to fill the marker
Speaker 1: and he turns to me and he says, do you
Speaker 1: count cards? And I said what? And he said are
Speaker 1: you a card counter? And I said who me? No,
Speaker 1: you know I don't count cards. And he said are
Speaker 1: you sure? And I said, well, I know basic strategy.
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was a good answer now,
Speaker 1: but that was, you know, I said I know basic strategy.
Speaker 1: And he said, oh, you know basic strategy, but you
Speaker 1: don't count cards. And I said no, I don't count
Speaker 1: cards and he said okay. So he leaves and then
Speaker 1: he comes back and he said are you sure you
Speaker 1: don't count cards? And I said, yeah, I'm really sure
Speaker 1: I don't count cars. Would you be willing to swear
Speaker 1: to it? And I said yeah and he said okay.
Speaker 1: He said, raise your right hand, soa what he said, Well,
Speaker 1: I'm raised your right hand. I said okay. And he
Speaker 1: said do you solemnly swear that you do not count cards?
Speaker 1: And I said I do solemnly swear that I do
Speaker 1: not count cards. I said, well, okay, that's good enough
Speaker 1: for me, and he walked off and I said, what
Speaker 1: the hell is that? And the dealer was kind of,
Speaker 1: you know, freaked out by this. He said, I don't know,
Speaker 1: he's always clowning around. Then he comes back a third
Speaker 1: time and he said, now you don't count cards, right,
Speaker 1: And I said right, And he said you swore to
Speaker 1: it right now?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Right, I swore to it. And he said, but this
Speaker 1: sure looks like you. And he's got a picture of me,
Speaker 1: and he shows it to the dealer he said, looks
Speaker 1: like him, doesn't it. And so you know, now I
Speaker 1: knew I wasn't going to be able to play there,
Speaker 1: but I was wondering about the picture, and so I
Speaker 1: called over one of the bosses and I said, where
Speaker 1: did that guy go? You know, he had a picture
Speaker 1: of me. I'd like to know where he got that picture.
Speaker 1: And he said, we'll talk to them playing close security
Speaker 1: out in the aisle. So I went over and I said,
Speaker 1: you know, there was a boss that was just here
Speaker 1: blah blah blah, and they said, have you ever played
Speaker 1: at the Hilton? About a week before, I had made
Speaker 1: the mistake of playing in front of a notorious boss
Speaker 1: named Mike Sterling who had barred me, and apparently they
Speaker 1: took a picture of me from the eye in the
Speaker 1: sky and had put out a flyer, and this is
Speaker 1: why I was getting all of this heat. Now, I
Speaker 1: thought that, you know, people are never gonna believe this story.
Speaker 1: And I got home and the phone starts ringing off
Speaker 1: the hook. And it turned out that every card counter
Speaker 1: in town was in the Tropicana watching while this was
Speaker 1: going on. You know, I mean I was surrounded by
Speaker 1: a guy from my team, a guy from Munchkin's team,
Speaker 1: a guy from Chuck's team. They were all in there,
Speaker 1: all watching him.
Speaker 2: So I guess it used to be a lot more fun.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I had to change my look. I wound up,
Speaker 1: you know ya getting a disguise.
Speaker 4: Well, Munchkin has told that he did not like wearing disguises.
Speaker 4: Did you like wearing disguises?
Speaker 1: The only part I didn't like was I got contact lenses.
Speaker 1: I've worn glasses since I was seven. I had eye
Speaker 1: operations recently, which I have very mixed feelings about. I mean,
Speaker 1: they were for the health of my eyes, and that
Speaker 1: part's good, But otherwise, if Baginie came along and said,
Speaker 1: do you want your vision restored to status quo ante,
Speaker 1: I'd say, yeah, now do it? You know right away,
Speaker 1: because I really don't like the way I see right now,
Speaker 1: but I can see well enough without glasses not to
Speaker 1: not to be wearing them right now. I got contact
Speaker 1: lenses at that time, and I absolutely hated contact lenses.
Speaker 1: I'd come home and my eyes would be on fire.
Speaker 1: I practically ripped them out of my eyes when I
Speaker 1: got home. And I several years later, I did the
Speaker 1: same thing in Korea. I got barred at Walker Hill,
Speaker 1: and I went back to wearing contact lenses, and it
Speaker 1: was the same problem. But otherwise, I you know, I
Speaker 1: got a haircut, and I shaved my beard. I had
Speaker 1: a beard, shave my beard off, and you know that
Speaker 1: all changed the way I look pretty drastically.
Speaker 2: Is there one story that is one of your favorites
Speaker 2: that we haven't gone over yet.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I kind of like this story. I mean,
Speaker 1: I'm telling it an honor of Bob, I think, because
Speaker 1: he was so fascinated by all the Korean girls my
Speaker 1: first trip.
Speaker 4: By the inclusion of so many Korean girls.
Speaker 1: So it's the last weekend of the trip and I'm
Speaker 1: supposed to play on the graveyard shift, which means I
Speaker 1: have to get up about six o'clock in the morning
Speaker 1: and I walk up to go to the toilet around
Speaker 1: one and I was trying to go back to sleep,
Speaker 1: and I hear her knocking at the door, and I,
Speaker 1: you know, who can that be? And I went to
Speaker 1: the door. I opened the door and there is this
Speaker 1: Korean girl standing there and she is one of the
Speaker 1: most beautiful women I've ever seen in my life. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, even in only years since, she's just you know,
Speaker 1: just gorgeous. And she doesn't speak any English, but she
Speaker 1: seems interested in coming in, and I'm, you know, a
Speaker 1: good host. I invite her in and they anyway, in
Speaker 1: the morning. I tried to indicate that she could, you know, stay,
Speaker 1: she didn't have to leave, but she insisted on coming
Speaker 1: down to the lobby and started talking. There were a
Speaker 1: couple of women, older women that slept behind the front desk.
Speaker 1: They were cleaning women, and she bumped a cigarette from
Speaker 1: them and was sitting there talking with them when I
Speaker 1: left gone when I came back. So the next day,
Speaker 1: we're checking out of the hotel and I'm responsible for
Speaker 1: paying everybody's room, and the manager's on duty, and that
Speaker 1: you know, I thought about this, I said, mister Lee,
Speaker 1: I said there was this girl, miss Park, that came
Speaker 1: to my room the other night. He said, oh, can
Speaker 1: I talk to you when he takes me outside? And
Speaker 1: he said, do you know mama son? And that's so
Speaker 1: I know what a mama son is. And he said,
Speaker 1: well sometimes guests, he said, they they you know, call
Speaker 1: oh captain and Bell Captain talked to Mamasan. May give
Speaker 1: Mamasan's thirty five thousand and one, and then she sent
Speaker 1: girl you know and I said yeah. He said, well,
Speaker 1: he said Saturday night, he said, guest in three or five.
Speaker 1: He talked to Bell Captain. My room was five O three.
Speaker 4: Uh fu. That is a cute story the U and
Speaker 4: for our audience. I did enjoy these stories. And Jake
Speaker 4: is very comfortable with the English language, and we'll throw
Speaker 4: in words you've never heard of periodically, and uses nice
Speaker 4: turns of phrases, and he will prove to you beyond
Speaker 4: the doubt that he is smarter than you are. But
Speaker 4: it is a book that I enjoyed very much, and
Speaker 4: I hope it does really well for you.
Speaker 1: Well, thank you, and I'm glad you enjoyed it. I
Speaker 1: hope everybody that reads it does, and I hope everybody
Speaker 1: reads it a lot of people getting joyment out of it.
Speaker 2: Well, I usually ask all our guests at the end
Speaker 2: of the show, favorite restaurant in Las Vegas that is
Speaker 2: not in a casino?
Speaker 1: Huh? Probably these days? What the heck is the name
Speaker 1: of the place? I've been there four or five times,
Speaker 1: and you know, I go more by where it's located.
Speaker 1: It's over on the northwest side of town, at the
Speaker 1: desert in out you know, pretty far west. It's a
Speaker 1: seafood place. I never have trouble finding it, you know
Speaker 1: when I when I go there. But my wife likes oysters,
Speaker 1: and there are oyster bars and casinos, and you have
Speaker 1: to go to a casino and fight the traffic and
Speaker 1: the parking and all that. And this place is really
Speaker 1: easy to especially since we had to stay at Airbnb's
Speaker 1: over on that end of town. So but since I
Speaker 1: can't remember the name off the top of my head,
Speaker 1: let me switch and I'll say Lotus of Siam. My
Speaker 1: wife his Thai, my daughter is Thai. I've lived in Thailand,
Speaker 1: and most restaurants that people say are good Thai restaurants aren't.
Speaker 1: But Lotus of Siam is really good. And my wife agrees.
Speaker 2: They just reopened the original location, which was closed for
Speaker 2: a long time.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that just reopened and they now have they
Speaker 2: also have one in the Red Rock Casino, so yeah.
Speaker 1: And then they have you know, they have a fancy
Speaker 1: one on Flamingo right right.
Speaker 4: So now Richard lives on the east side of town.
Speaker 4: Why on earth when you come to Vegas would you
Speaker 4: find an airbnb on the northwest part of town. You
Speaker 4: could get him anywhere.
Speaker 1: Well, I try to get close to Chinatown if I
Speaker 1: get close enough, which I managed once, my wife could
Speaker 1: actually walk there when I was out there, you know,
Speaker 1: doing this and that, because well, I'm when I'm coming
Speaker 1: the next time, there's going to be a backham A
Speaker 1: tournament going on, and you know, I'll be I'll be
Speaker 1: busy for a few days and it would be nice
Speaker 1: if she could. Yeah, I think we're a little too far,
Speaker 1: but you know, if she can walk to Chinatown, she's happy.
Speaker 1: And although the funny thing is that her favorite market
Speaker 1: actually is over of the northeast end of town. It's
Speaker 1: at McLeod and desert In. It's called the Lao Asia
Speaker 1: Market and that's that's by far her favorite place. Very good,
Speaker 1: thank you.
Speaker 4: It was a pleasure to listening to your stories again,
Speaker 4: the ones that were in the book, and you shared
Speaker 4: someone's today that work. So I wish the best of you.
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