1 00:00:08,519 --> 00:00:09,359 Speaker 1: Good afternoon. 2 00:00:09,679 --> 00:00:12,039 Speaker 2: You're listening to Gambling with an Edge. 3 00:00:12,359 --> 00:00:16,280 Speaker 1: Now Here are your hosts, Bob Dancer and Richard Munchkin. 4 00:00:16,800 --> 00:00:19,719 Speaker 3: Good afternoon, Welcome to Gambling with an Edge. I'm Bob 5 00:00:19,839 --> 00:00:25,039 Dancer and I'm Richard Munchkin. Today our guest is Jake Jacob, 6 00:00:25,600 --> 00:00:30,000 who is Richard's older brother, talking about his first autobiography 7 00:00:30,199 --> 00:00:35,479 called Have Bets, Will Travel. Jake Jacob's welcome the Gambling 8 00:00:35,520 --> 00:00:38,399 with an Edge. Hi, it's nice to be here, and 9 00:00:38,520 --> 00:00:43,399 actually it's technically wrong. I wrote the autobiography of Jake 10 00:00:43,439 --> 00:00:44,920 when I was six years old. 11 00:00:45,679 --> 00:00:49,799 Speaker 4: Okay, before we talk about your second autobiography, how'd you 12 00:00:49,840 --> 00:00:51,359 get started gamblings? 13 00:00:51,640 --> 00:00:57,079 Speaker 1: Well, I played games for money, but I wouldn't really 14 00:00:57,200 --> 00:01:02,679 call that gambling. You know, probably everybody in America has 15 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:06,079 played poker for at least pennies at some point, so 16 00:01:06,760 --> 00:01:11,400 you know, I'll distinguish gambling from playing, you know, for 17 00:01:11,480 --> 00:01:15,879 a living. And I got started because munch called me 18 00:01:15,959 --> 00:01:18,439 up one night and he said, are you interested in 19 00:01:18,519 --> 00:01:22,239 moving to Las Vegas and learning to count cards? Because 20 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:25,280 if you are, I know a team that is looking 21 00:01:25,359 --> 00:01:28,359 for players, and they're taking on people with no experience. 22 00:01:28,439 --> 00:01:31,640 And I said oh yeah. It was winter in Chicago 23 00:01:31,840 --> 00:01:35,439 and I was more than ready to move to Las Vegas, 24 00:01:35,840 --> 00:01:38,000 I'll bet so. Uh. 25 00:01:38,680 --> 00:01:43,680 Speaker 2: Just to add to that story, I told him read 26 00:01:43,719 --> 00:01:47,920 this book and look at this chart, and you know, 27 00:01:48,079 --> 00:01:52,519 learn these index numbers for you know, when the when 28 00:01:52,519 --> 00:01:55,840 the count is over zero, you you stand on sixteen 29 00:01:55,920 --> 00:01:59,359 against a ten, you know, things like that. And he 30 00:01:59,439 --> 00:02:05,040 got there and you know, I said, so you did that, 31 00:02:05,120 --> 00:02:06,959 and he's like, yep, yep, I did that and I 32 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:09,479 learned it and I've got the numbers. And I was like, 33 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:12,680 all right, well so you know, tell me, tell me 34 00:02:12,719 --> 00:02:16,319 the index numbers. And he's like, uh, you hit seventeen 35 00:02:16,400 --> 00:02:18,759 against a deuce at minus twenty four. 36 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 1: But. 37 00:02:21,479 --> 00:02:22,039 Speaker 5: You don't need. 38 00:02:25,719 --> 00:02:28,319 Speaker 2: So yeah, it just learned all the numbers. 39 00:02:28,800 --> 00:02:31,240 Speaker 1: A funny thing that, you know, relating to that though, 40 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:36,319 when writing the book, I was telling a story, you know, 41 00:02:36,439 --> 00:02:40,400 I mentioned that most like jack hands are just not 42 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:44,159 very interesting. You know, you're you're okay, you here, or 43 00:02:44,199 --> 00:02:46,599 your stand your double bullum, it's all the same thing 44 00:02:46,639 --> 00:02:51,240 over and over again. But I had a really really 45 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:55,120 unusual play come up. I had a pair of threes 46 00:02:55,599 --> 00:03:02,439 against a seven, and it was right not to split 47 00:03:03,439 --> 00:03:07,199 and so I hit, and I caught a ten, and 48 00:03:07,240 --> 00:03:09,639 of course if it was right not to split, it 49 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:12,159 was also right not to hit. So I now stood 50 00:03:12,159 --> 00:03:14,879 on sixteen against the seven. The dealer turned over nine 51 00:03:14,919 --> 00:03:17,840 and busted. And this actually happened to me twice a 52 00:03:17,919 --> 00:03:20,439 year apart. So I had the identical hand in the 53 00:03:20,479 --> 00:03:25,560 identical parlay twice. But I was talking too munchkin, I think, 54 00:03:25,639 --> 00:03:27,599 and I said something about it, and he said, well, 55 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:31,520 you know, there's no number you know, for not splitting 56 00:03:32,120 --> 00:03:34,240 three's when the count gets high. And I said, oh, yeah, 57 00:03:34,240 --> 00:03:36,479 I'm sure there is. And I looked in long and 58 00:03:36,560 --> 00:03:39,199 it's not in long. So I had to go out 59 00:03:39,240 --> 00:03:43,319 and buy a copy of Julian Braun's book, the book 60 00:03:43,360 --> 00:03:47,599 that I learned from. And in Julian Braun's book, if 61 00:03:47,639 --> 00:03:53,759 you're playing four decks, dealer stands on soft seventeen, which 62 00:03:53,840 --> 00:03:56,159 is what I would have been playing back in nineteen 63 00:03:56,199 --> 00:03:59,240 eighty two, there is an index number. And you know, 64 00:03:59,360 --> 00:04:04,000 so you do stand freeze against a seven if the 65 00:04:04,039 --> 00:04:06,719 colb is greater than plus. 66 00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:10,400 Speaker 2: Twelve, not stan you hit hit I mean yeah, yeah, 67 00:04:10,479 --> 00:04:11,520 I mean not not split. 68 00:04:11,719 --> 00:04:17,519 Speaker 4: Yeah. And of all the blackjack players out there, what percentage. 69 00:04:17,560 --> 00:04:18,959 Do you think know that number? 70 00:04:20,920 --> 00:04:22,040 Speaker 1: Even the ones who. 71 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:24,959 Speaker 2: Know the number, probably none of them have ever had 72 00:04:24,959 --> 00:04:26,079 the play happen. 73 00:04:26,279 --> 00:04:28,439 Speaker 1: Right, you know, right? I mean the only the only 74 00:04:28,439 --> 00:04:31,399 guy I ever met that knew the number was the 75 00:04:31,439 --> 00:04:37,199 man who ran my first team, Arthur Goldberg. I remember 76 00:04:37,319 --> 00:04:40,639 once we had some conversation about that number being unusual. 77 00:04:41,000 --> 00:04:42,800 So he must have also hit Bronze book. 78 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:45,399 Speaker 4: Well it wasn't even in Peter Griffin. 79 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:49,160 Speaker 2: Probably was, but Peter, yeah, yeah, I think we have 80 00:04:49,199 --> 00:04:51,319 to dig for it. I think, actually, no, you know what, 81 00:04:51,399 --> 00:04:53,879 it probably wasn't because I don't know if Peter had 82 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:56,920 index numbers for the high low in his book. I 83 00:04:56,920 --> 00:04:57,480 don't think he'd. 84 00:04:57,879 --> 00:05:02,079 Speaker 4: But now there are there's a ton of stories in 85 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:06,120 this book. I hope you like stories. Now, listeners to 86 00:05:06,160 --> 00:05:09,519 this show will recognize many of the characters in the story, 87 00:05:10,399 --> 00:05:14,040 and since Munchkin is a regular character in some of 88 00:05:14,079 --> 00:05:17,839 these stories, you've heard Munchkins versions of the same story 89 00:05:18,000 --> 00:05:21,439 on the air. Now we also learned the name of 90 00:05:21,480 --> 00:05:26,480 about thirty bar girls of the nineteen eighties work in Korea, 91 00:05:26,600 --> 00:05:31,439 Hong Kong, or other Asian locales. I am struggling to 92 00:05:31,519 --> 00:05:34,240 find why I want to know the name of thirty 93 00:05:34,279 --> 00:05:37,720 bar girls from the eighties in Asia. Do you have 94 00:05:37,759 --> 00:05:40,639 any good answer to that? Oh? 95 00:05:40,759 --> 00:05:47,040 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the I think that with most blackjack books, 96 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:52,000 or most gambling books, people you know, say, Okay, you know, 97 00:05:52,519 --> 00:05:54,920 I went to the I went to the table, and 98 00:05:55,600 --> 00:06:00,600 I did this, and so it's really about the actual 99 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:03,759 act of gambling, and there's certainly a lot of that 100 00:06:04,399 --> 00:06:10,120 in my book. But I did things in the book. Oh, 101 00:06:10,199 --> 00:06:12,399 I did things in my life which I put in 102 00:06:12,480 --> 00:06:18,519 the book, which happened. I think only because I was 103 00:06:18,600 --> 00:06:22,160 a gambler. I was just telling somebody the other day, 104 00:06:22,199 --> 00:06:26,000 I said, you know, in the book, I talk about 105 00:06:26,120 --> 00:06:31,680 walking down a pitch black alley in Korea following a pimp. 106 00:06:32,199 --> 00:06:35,040 I've got one hundred thousand dollars in my pocket. I've 107 00:06:35,079 --> 00:06:37,399 only been in the country for a week. I don't 108 00:06:37,439 --> 00:06:40,600 speak Korean. I'm looking for a stranger who I've been 109 00:06:40,639 --> 00:06:43,519 told does not speak English, who might be able to 110 00:06:43,519 --> 00:06:46,639 help me change money. And you know, I'm thinking, boy, 111 00:06:46,680 --> 00:06:51,560 I hope this turns out. Okay, Now, what can go wrong? Yeah, Now, 112 00:06:52,160 --> 00:06:54,399 that's the kind of thing that you know, if I said, well, 113 00:06:54,480 --> 00:06:57,160 I did that because I was a gambler. People would 114 00:06:57,199 --> 00:06:59,920 say that makes sense, But I also, you know, once 115 00:07:00,079 --> 00:07:03,319 walked down a dark alley in Cola Lumpo looking for 116 00:07:03,399 --> 00:07:07,399 the world's best noodles. And that also happened because I 117 00:07:07,480 --> 00:07:10,199 was a gambler and wouldn't have happened if I wasn't. 118 00:07:10,560 --> 00:07:13,759 And you know, the bar girls, it was part of 119 00:07:13,759 --> 00:07:18,240 the scene. I mean, you know the girls that you mentioned, 120 00:07:18,279 --> 00:07:21,079 you know I was dating, They weren't all bar girls. 121 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:23,560 You know. The first one that I mentioned, I think 122 00:07:23,680 --> 00:07:27,319 is a Rah. And you know what attracted me to 123 00:07:27,360 --> 00:07:30,199 her is that she could count up to ten of 124 00:07:30,240 --> 00:07:34,839 the forty eighth minus one, you know, using the Korean 125 00:07:35,160 --> 00:07:38,480 system of numbers, and not many people you know, know 126 00:07:38,600 --> 00:07:41,600 the names of you know, really really large numbers. And 127 00:07:41,680 --> 00:07:43,680 I you know, I said, now this is this is 128 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:45,839 a woman after my own heart. So that's how we 129 00:07:45,879 --> 00:07:46,600 started dating. 130 00:07:47,279 --> 00:07:50,360 Speaker 4: Wow, I could see just imagine the interview process on that. 131 00:07:52,399 --> 00:07:55,560 So I'm old enough to remember the Western that ran 132 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:59,360 for six seasons starting in nineteen fifty seven called Have Gun, 133 00:07:59,439 --> 00:08:03,040 Will Travel? Was that show the inspiration for the title 134 00:08:03,079 --> 00:08:03,560 of your book? 135 00:08:03,879 --> 00:08:07,000 Speaker 1: It was? Yeah, yeah, you could call me the Paladin 136 00:08:07,040 --> 00:08:07,560 of gambling. 137 00:08:08,240 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 4: Do you see your Do you see analogs between you 138 00:08:12,120 --> 00:08:14,439 and Richard Boone's character. 139 00:08:15,079 --> 00:08:18,120 Speaker 1: No, not really. I just I like the title. I 140 00:08:18,319 --> 00:08:20,480 you know, I struggled with a good title, and I 141 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:23,000 decided that that one resonated. 142 00:08:23,759 --> 00:08:27,120 Speaker 2: I was drawn more toward Maverick. He was the one 143 00:08:27,120 --> 00:08:30,560 who was a gambler in those older and he always 144 00:08:30,600 --> 00:08:34,000 had a thousand dollars bill pinned on the inside of 145 00:08:34,039 --> 00:08:35,960 his jacket just in case. 146 00:08:36,799 --> 00:08:39,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, that's what this country needs, is a 147 00:08:39,200 --> 00:08:40,639 good thousand dollars bill. 148 00:08:41,440 --> 00:08:46,480 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Korea had them. 149 00:08:46,720 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 5: I mean they were they were checks, but yeah, yeah, 150 00:08:50,240 --> 00:08:53,840 but yo, Singapore negotia checks. 151 00:08:54,039 --> 00:08:59,120 Speaker 1: Yeah, Singapore not only has thousand dollars bills, but they 152 00:08:59,159 --> 00:09:01,559 have ten thousand dollar bills how and they used to 153 00:09:01,559 --> 00:09:06,879 be in circulation, but they I believe they still exist, 154 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:11,399 but the government really tried to take them out of circulation, 155 00:09:11,799 --> 00:09:15,320 and about ten years ago or so it became a very, 156 00:09:15,440 --> 00:09:19,000 very big deal. I remember my favorite money changer freaked 157 00:09:19,000 --> 00:09:21,159 out when I brought one to him and he said, 158 00:09:21,159 --> 00:09:22,519 where did you get that? And I said, I think 159 00:09:22,519 --> 00:09:23,919 I got that from you. Actually. 160 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 4: Now, this book covers the start of your gambling career 161 00:09:28,720 --> 00:09:31,840 basically through the end of the eighties. 162 00:09:32,840 --> 00:09:36,480 Speaker 1: Through nineteen ninety two, the spring of nineteen ninety two. Now, 163 00:09:36,519 --> 00:09:41,039 you didn't stop gambling at that time, and I'm confident 164 00:09:41,120 --> 00:09:44,840 you have many stories from later years. I am working 165 00:09:44,879 --> 00:09:49,960 on a sequel. And you know again, when I started out, 166 00:09:50,039 --> 00:09:51,759 I thought, well, I'm going to write, you know, about 167 00:09:51,759 --> 00:09:58,399 my gambling career from soup to nuts. And I I 168 00:09:58,440 --> 00:10:01,279 started writing it, and I said, you know, oh, this 169 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:05,200 would be an awfully, awfully long book if I covered 170 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:09,759 everything that happened over the past forty some years. And 171 00:10:09,879 --> 00:10:12,159 so I tried to narrow it. So I didn't even 172 00:10:12,159 --> 00:10:15,320 include all of my blackjack play. I just I thought 173 00:10:15,360 --> 00:10:19,919 that I had covered, you know, the most interesting portions 174 00:10:19,960 --> 00:10:23,080 of it. I talk a little bit about playing backamt 175 00:10:23,080 --> 00:10:27,639 but not you know, not a lot I'd mentioned. I think, 176 00:10:27,720 --> 00:10:30,039 you know, horse racing would be in my future. But 177 00:10:30,879 --> 00:10:33,200 so I'm now working on a book that will look 178 00:10:33,720 --> 00:10:35,240 only at horse racing. 179 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 4: Was that in Hong Kong or other places as well? 180 00:10:39,480 --> 00:10:42,720 Speaker 1: Well? It's actually in. It will be in three parts. 181 00:10:43,519 --> 00:10:46,440 The first part I worked for a guy before I 182 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:49,039 ever got into gambling. I worked at a cab company 183 00:10:49,559 --> 00:10:54,159 and my boss was a degenerate gambler, and he lost 184 00:10:54,240 --> 00:10:58,279 over half a million dollars betting on horses, which was 185 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,159 a bigger problem than it sounds me because he didn't 186 00:11:01,200 --> 00:11:02,679 have a half a million dollars, so we had to 187 00:11:02,720 --> 00:11:06,120 steal it from Western Union. So, you know, a pretty 188 00:11:07,080 --> 00:11:11,559 interesting situation, and I had kind of a ringside seat 189 00:11:11,559 --> 00:11:15,919 for the whole thing. But that's that's a short section. 190 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:20,759 In nineteen the fall of nineteen ninety seven, my old 191 00:11:20,759 --> 00:11:25,039 friend Bill Benner got a hold of me and I 192 00:11:25,120 --> 00:11:27,679 knew from visits to Hong Kong in the eighties in 193 00:11:27,759 --> 00:11:32,720 the nineties, and also you know, playing blackjack with the 194 00:11:32,840 --> 00:11:36,000 team Bill was involved with in Atlantic City. I knew 195 00:11:36,039 --> 00:11:38,799 that he, you know, was over there betting on horses. 196 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:42,559 I had actually watched Alan Woods betting on horses on 197 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:45,840 racing days because I used to stay at his apartment 198 00:11:46,639 --> 00:11:50,919 and Bill. They had had problems and Bill called up. 199 00:11:51,639 --> 00:11:53,360 I wanted to know if I wanted to come over 200 00:11:53,440 --> 00:11:55,679 and run bets for him, So I went over there 201 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:59,000 in January of nineteen ninety eight, right after the tie 202 00:11:59,000 --> 00:12:03,240 open Backham return, and then you know, worked for him 203 00:12:03,519 --> 00:12:06,200 off and on for about five years. I had a 204 00:12:06,279 --> 00:12:09,000 key to an apartment in Hong Kong that belonged to 205 00:12:09,039 --> 00:12:13,080 the the operation, and so I used to when I 206 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:17,240 was on my way tour from somewhere like Thailand, I'd, 207 00:12:17,320 --> 00:12:20,000 you know, call up and say it is anybody using 208 00:12:20,000 --> 00:12:22,120 the apartment? The answer was always no, and then I, 209 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:24,840 you know, I'd come and stay in the apartment. I'd say, hey, 210 00:12:24,840 --> 00:12:27,039 if you need, you know, you needed anybody to work a 211 00:12:27,039 --> 00:12:32,559 couple of weekends. But then I that had, you know, 212 00:12:32,639 --> 00:12:35,360 petered out. I mean, he kind of moved his operation. 213 00:12:36,279 --> 00:12:38,799 He was still betting on Hong Kong racing, but he 214 00:12:38,879 --> 00:12:42,840 wasn't using outside people to come in and bet. And 215 00:12:43,039 --> 00:12:46,639 I was here in Tucson, I just finished writing my 216 00:12:46,639 --> 00:12:50,360 mystery novel. I got a call from one of the 217 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:52,799 guys that I knew from both Atlantic City and from 218 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:55,960 from Hong Kong, and he said, do you want to 219 00:12:56,000 --> 00:13:01,480 come over to Japan. It's a temporary job, just three months, 220 00:13:01,519 --> 00:13:05,320 possibly six. You could come over and everything could fall 221 00:13:05,360 --> 00:13:08,159 apart right away. So you'll be guaranteed one month's pay 222 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:10,879 even if you get here and have to turn around 223 00:13:11,000 --> 00:13:14,759 and go back. But otherwise, you know, your travel expenses 224 00:13:14,799 --> 00:13:18,960 are paid for, your housing is paid for, and you know, 225 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:22,080 you get a monthly salary, a pretty good one. So 226 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:24,759 are you interested? And I said, you know, heck yeah. 227 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:29,799 And I went over there and they, you know, it 228 00:13:29,879 --> 00:13:31,679 looked like they were going to use me then after 229 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:34,399 the new year for another three months. And by that 230 00:13:34,480 --> 00:13:37,840 point I thought, okay, you know, I'm kind of in 231 00:13:37,919 --> 00:13:40,600 on the ground floor here, so how can I make 232 00:13:40,639 --> 00:13:45,840 myself indispensable? And it was sixteen years before I came 233 00:13:45,879 --> 00:13:48,919 back to Tucson. I mean, I came back for visits, 234 00:13:48,960 --> 00:13:52,519 but I lived overseas from the time I went over 235 00:13:53,279 --> 00:13:56,519 in the fall of two thousand and four until the 236 00:13:56,639 --> 00:13:57,919 fall of twenty twenty. 237 00:13:58,600 --> 00:14:03,799 Speaker 2: So I want to because the book is long and big, 238 00:14:04,200 --> 00:14:08,360 and as Bob said, many many stories. But you mentioned 239 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:14,039 playing in Atlantic City for Bill, and there are just 240 00:14:14,200 --> 00:14:19,200 two stories that I'd like you to tell, you know, 241 00:14:20,919 --> 00:14:25,600 so the first the first is about needing batteries for 242 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:29,840 the computer. Yeah, okay, And we should preface that by 243 00:14:29,919 --> 00:14:34,320 saying you guys were using legally using computers in the casino. 244 00:14:34,879 --> 00:14:39,159 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's right, the computers. I think we're legal into 245 00:14:39,200 --> 00:14:41,759 the early twenty first century. I read some of you, 246 00:14:42,000 --> 00:14:45,320 James Grostein playing with them, you know, about two thousand 247 00:14:45,320 --> 00:14:47,440 and two, just because that was. 248 00:14:47,960 --> 00:14:51,799 Speaker 2: That was in California. We played right up all New 249 00:14:51,879 --> 00:14:55,240 Year's Eve up until the midnight when the law changed. 250 00:14:55,279 --> 00:14:57,840 Speaker 1: So yeah, I don't know, and you know, and actually 251 00:14:57,879 --> 00:15:01,759 I almost got involved in testifying before the New Jersey 252 00:15:02,039 --> 00:15:04,399 Senate subcommittee. I went to a hearing of theirs, but 253 00:15:04,440 --> 00:15:09,159 I didn't have to have to talk. But yeah, the 254 00:15:09,399 --> 00:15:12,720 computers were still legal. So we're we're playing with computers. 255 00:15:12,759 --> 00:15:15,639 And if you've ever played with computers, you know that 256 00:15:16,879 --> 00:15:19,080 it's a pain in the neck keeping them up and running. 257 00:15:19,240 --> 00:15:23,840 They're constantly breaking down. There's all sorts of equipment issues. 258 00:15:23,879 --> 00:15:26,840 And one of the issues they go through batteries. And 259 00:15:26,919 --> 00:15:30,159 the batteries were you know, D batteries, they were big batteries. 260 00:15:31,080 --> 00:15:35,039 So the guy that was in charge of maintaining everything 261 00:15:35,879 --> 00:15:39,080 was Richard Doherty, who was a legendary player. He is 262 00:15:39,159 --> 00:15:44,080 the second most arrested player in Atlantic idiot, and he 263 00:15:44,200 --> 00:15:45,600 was the guy who was, you know, giving all the 264 00:15:45,600 --> 00:15:48,279 odd jobs, and he took care of the equipment, you know, 265 00:15:48,360 --> 00:15:52,799 quite well. But anyway, he needed batteries. He said, come on, 266 00:15:52,879 --> 00:15:55,360 you want to go get batteries. And Atlantic City is 267 00:15:55,399 --> 00:16:01,960 this long sleazy boardwalk with fortune tellers and saltwater taffy 268 00:16:02,480 --> 00:16:04,679 and dollar stores. And we went into one of these 269 00:16:04,720 --> 00:16:10,080 dollar stores. The owner was a fat guy with a 270 00:16:10,120 --> 00:16:14,440 cigar clenched between his teeth, and his cashier was named Mona, 271 00:16:14,480 --> 00:16:16,519 and she had, you know, the big hair, and she's 272 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:21,279 snapping her gum. And we walk in there and Richard says, 273 00:16:21,320 --> 00:16:24,399 you got any D batteries. The guy says, yeah, yeah, 274 00:16:24,440 --> 00:16:26,720 we got round his cigar. He so, yeah, we got 275 00:16:26,799 --> 00:16:29,919 de batteries. Back here, come on. So we go back 276 00:16:29,919 --> 00:16:32,720 in this aisle and down on the bottom shelf there's 277 00:16:32,799 --> 00:16:35,600 a there's a box and it's got about forty D 278 00:16:35,799 --> 00:16:40,759 batteries and Richard says, yeah, okay, I'll take them. And 279 00:16:40,799 --> 00:16:43,960 the guy says all of them. And Richard says, yeah, 280 00:16:44,159 --> 00:16:47,519 take all of them. And he said, kid, what are 281 00:16:47,559 --> 00:16:51,480 you gonna do with forty D batteries? And Richard's eyes 282 00:16:51,519 --> 00:16:53,559 get really big and he said, oh, well, you know, 283 00:16:53,639 --> 00:16:56,679 I got my wife one of those vibrator singies. And 284 00:16:56,720 --> 00:16:59,919 she said, honey, if you bring home some batteries tonight 285 00:17:00,120 --> 00:17:04,440 the night. And the guy, he's trying to picture what 286 00:17:04,519 --> 00:17:07,240 you can do with forty D batteries he just about 287 00:17:07,400 --> 00:17:10,079 hold his cigar. He's like, do you hear that, Mona? 288 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:13,799 She said, yeah, guy born his wife one of those 289 00:17:13,839 --> 00:17:16,160 vibrator thinges. Yeah, I hoid. 290 00:17:18,079 --> 00:17:20,759 Speaker 4: The first time I heard you tell that story, it 291 00:17:20,799 --> 00:17:25,039 was I think it was written on Facebook and you 292 00:17:25,359 --> 00:17:29,079 said that this was Richard and I didn't realize it 293 00:17:29,119 --> 00:17:32,119 was Richard Doherty. I was pretty sure it was Richard Munchkin. 294 00:17:33,039 --> 00:17:35,640 And and it does sound like a one liner that 295 00:17:35,920 --> 00:17:40,279 Munchkin could have come up with. Well that's proved, and 296 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:45,880 so I was. I didn't understand it. I didn't understand 297 00:17:45,880 --> 00:17:47,599 actually what happened, but it was still funny. 298 00:17:48,319 --> 00:17:50,960 Speaker 2: So the other story that I think you should tell, 299 00:17:51,000 --> 00:17:53,839 and this is really more in the weeds for our 300 00:17:54,640 --> 00:17:59,240 blackjack players out there, is the story of the memory game. 301 00:18:00,119 --> 00:18:03,519 Speaker 1: Yeah, that was why I went to Atlantic City in 302 00:18:03,559 --> 00:18:06,039 the first place. Bill Benner had he'd been on the 303 00:18:06,079 --> 00:18:09,000 phone with the Munchkin and he said, you know, any 304 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:12,640 cardcomers with a good memory? And Bunch said, well, what 305 00:18:12,680 --> 00:18:15,680 about Jake. So he caught me up and he says, 306 00:18:15,960 --> 00:18:18,039 you know, can you come out to Atlantic City? And 307 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:25,119 so I got there and apparently Bill had been playing 308 00:18:25,880 --> 00:18:32,240 the high Rollers pit at Harris. And you know, you 309 00:18:32,359 --> 00:18:38,079 probably know if you're a blackjack player, that casinos, every 310 00:18:38,119 --> 00:18:42,720 casino has a routine. Dealers don't just decide, well, I'll 311 00:18:42,720 --> 00:18:45,400 shuffle this way now and I'll shuffle a different way 312 00:18:45,440 --> 00:18:48,680 the next time. They have to follow a set routine 313 00:18:48,759 --> 00:18:55,480 that's come down from on high. And the Bill noticed 314 00:18:56,160 --> 00:19:01,359 that there was a dealer there named Scott, and Scott 315 00:19:02,279 --> 00:19:06,599 had an unusual move. He was not the only dealer 316 00:19:06,640 --> 00:19:09,880 with this move. Maybe two percent of the dealers out 317 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:14,160 there had and usually they were experienced dealers. When the 318 00:19:14,279 --> 00:19:19,279 cards are interwoven, I mean, in theory they're interwoven, but 319 00:19:19,960 --> 00:19:24,000 in practice, some of these dealers miss time their move, 320 00:19:24,279 --> 00:19:27,359 and so they start releasing the cards with one hand 321 00:19:27,799 --> 00:19:30,960 before they begin releasing with the other hand. And the 322 00:19:31,039 --> 00:19:34,960 effect of that is that a number of cards what 323 00:19:35,079 --> 00:19:39,519 we were calling a clump, drops down unshuffled before the 324 00:19:39,559 --> 00:19:43,839 rest of the cards begin to interweave. And you know, 325 00:19:44,519 --> 00:19:47,680 some do it only a little bit, others do it 326 00:19:47,759 --> 00:19:50,559 a lot. Scott did it a whole lot. He would 327 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:55,960 drop fifteen or twenty unshuffled cards because his timing was 328 00:19:56,039 --> 00:20:00,519 off that much, pretty consistently. And but you know, one 329 00:20:00,559 --> 00:20:02,799 of the things about it is that, you know, these 330 00:20:02,839 --> 00:20:09,279 clumping dealers, they tend to always drop with one hand 331 00:20:09,440 --> 00:20:14,000 or the other. So Scott was, you know, shuffling, and 332 00:20:14,039 --> 00:20:16,279 it meant that, you know, there was a certain group 333 00:20:16,319 --> 00:20:22,039 of cards that were getting that were left unshuffled all 334 00:20:22,079 --> 00:20:25,960 the way through the shuffle, and Bill you know, had 335 00:20:26,039 --> 00:20:29,240 to a limited extent, been taking advantage of that. He like, 336 00:20:29,319 --> 00:20:31,599 memorized some cards, go to the bathroom, write them down, 337 00:20:31,680 --> 00:20:34,480 come back chat with Scott a little more. While Scott 338 00:20:34,519 --> 00:20:36,359 was on a dead game and he'd be memorizing a 339 00:20:36,440 --> 00:20:38,920 few more cards, he'd go back to the bathroom and 340 00:20:39,000 --> 00:20:40,720 you know, try to figure out what to do about it. 341 00:20:41,039 --> 00:20:45,119 But this had evolved. So the way it worked is 342 00:20:47,119 --> 00:20:49,039 I now I had gone in and I had you know, 343 00:20:49,160 --> 00:20:53,160 introduced myself to the casino by playing some baccara for 344 00:20:53,240 --> 00:20:56,559 a thousand and two thousand a hand, which also let 345 00:20:56,640 --> 00:20:58,880 me accumulate some orange chips, because I was going to 346 00:20:58,880 --> 00:21:00,559 be going in there with a lot lot of orange 347 00:21:00,640 --> 00:21:06,640 chips when we played. And then I set up a suite. 348 00:21:07,079 --> 00:21:09,319 And in those days you could actually get away with 349 00:21:10,079 --> 00:21:14,319 checking in without ID. They didn't like it, but it 350 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:16,759 could be done. And you know, so I was going 351 00:21:16,799 --> 00:21:19,039 in under you know, a fake name. I wasn't giving 352 00:21:19,039 --> 00:21:24,920 them my real name. I had with me a woman 353 00:21:25,519 --> 00:21:28,880 named Anita. Anita and EARV were members of the same 354 00:21:28,920 --> 00:21:33,599 country club as Tommy Hyland, and Tommy used a lot 355 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:37,759 of people from the country club as big players as 356 00:21:37,839 --> 00:21:40,519 you know, what have you. So Anita was going to 357 00:21:40,559 --> 00:21:45,359 be with me posing as my girlfriend to eat cards. 358 00:21:45,960 --> 00:21:52,039 And this was also a psychological ploy of Bills. See, 359 00:21:52,079 --> 00:21:54,759 he figured that the trophy girlfriend was something that you know, 360 00:21:54,799 --> 00:21:59,720 bosses knew. But Anita was twice my age and so 361 00:21:59,759 --> 00:22:02,759 she definitely did not look like a trophy maybe a 362 00:22:02,759 --> 00:22:07,400 trophy grandmother. But anyway, she was, you know, going to 363 00:22:07,400 --> 00:22:10,079 distract the bosses who were going to be wondering what 364 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:11,680 I was doing with her. At least that was what 365 00:22:11,799 --> 00:22:17,160 Bill thought. So we would go in and we would 366 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:22,440 bet five hands the first couple of rounds, but it 367 00:22:22,480 --> 00:22:24,799 was mainly the first round that was of interest and 368 00:22:25,279 --> 00:22:28,559 somebody else. We had various people that had been trained 369 00:22:28,599 --> 00:22:32,200 in the Harry Lorraine memory system would come by the 370 00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:35,880 first hand of the shoe and they would memorize the 371 00:22:36,559 --> 00:22:38,480 ranks of the cards. They didn't need to worry about 372 00:22:38,480 --> 00:22:40,720 the suits, and then they would run to a house 373 00:22:40,720 --> 00:22:43,319 phone and they would call up to my suite and 374 00:22:43,519 --> 00:22:48,079 they'd rattle them off to Bill, and Bill would then 375 00:22:48,200 --> 00:22:50,960 call the rents where we had our apartment. That would 376 00:22:50,960 --> 00:22:54,440 be input into a computer and the computer would analyze 377 00:22:55,119 --> 00:22:59,400 and it would determine that, you know, if we were 378 00:22:59,400 --> 00:23:02,759 in say the let's say we were at the third 379 00:23:02,920 --> 00:23:07,920 card in the string. Well, they what you got was 380 00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:11,839 we looked at the third through twelve cards in the string, 381 00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:16,359 and it would say, okay, you're at the say the 382 00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:19,400 third card in the string, and if you play two 383 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:24,279 hands of basic strategy, you can win, you know, two bats. 384 00:23:24,799 --> 00:23:28,720 Or maybe you play one hand and you play mimicking 385 00:23:28,759 --> 00:23:33,319 the dealer. You know always hit the seventeen and they 386 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,920 always stand at seventeen. You mimic the dealer and you 387 00:23:36,960 --> 00:23:41,079 play one hand and you're guaranteed a winner. So it 388 00:23:41,319 --> 00:23:44,559 you know, you'd work that out for ten cards, the 389 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:53,960 third through twelfth card. Now I have memorized the suit 390 00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:56,559 and rank of the first two cards in that string, 391 00:23:57,119 --> 00:24:00,680 so I'm keeping those two cards in my head. It 392 00:24:00,759 --> 00:24:04,400 gets to the shuffle. Scott is now shuffling the cards 393 00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:10,440 and at this point. I and I had practiced this 394 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:12,880 move we had we had I was wearing a suit 395 00:24:13,480 --> 00:24:15,680 and in my pocket I had a pager. Now we 396 00:24:15,720 --> 00:24:19,640 had propped the pager so that it was resting high 397 00:24:19,720 --> 00:24:23,319 on a wad of toilet papers, so it was high inphanacy, 398 00:24:23,960 --> 00:24:26,759 and the pocket was propped open so it wouldn't accidentally 399 00:24:26,759 --> 00:24:29,279 close over the top of the pager, but it was 400 00:24:29,319 --> 00:24:32,240 concealed by my suitcoat. Now I had this cheap three 401 00:24:32,319 --> 00:24:36,240 dollars watch. If Anita was the cheap three dollar girlfriend, 402 00:24:36,240 --> 00:24:38,240 this was the cheap three dollar watch that would be 403 00:24:38,279 --> 00:24:41,640 the non rolex. And because I was an eccentric millionaire, 404 00:24:42,039 --> 00:24:45,440 so I had this move down where I would, you know, 405 00:24:45,559 --> 00:24:48,400 I and I practiced it. I would I would take 406 00:24:48,440 --> 00:24:50,359 my arm and i'd you know, go like this to 407 00:24:50,400 --> 00:24:53,279 look at the watch, and it would move my suitcoat 408 00:24:53,359 --> 00:24:56,160 back and I would glance down at the watch and 409 00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,880 just for about two or three seconds. But what I'd 410 00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:02,359 really be looking at that was the pager and there 411 00:25:02,400 --> 00:25:05,400 would be a string, a ten string of numbers, So 412 00:25:05,519 --> 00:25:08,799 in that glance, I would memorize the ten digits and 413 00:25:08,839 --> 00:25:11,200 then I would, you know, put my arm down and 414 00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:13,319 the suit would cover up the pagery again, so the 415 00:25:13,319 --> 00:25:16,279 eye in the sky would only have had that two 416 00:25:16,400 --> 00:25:19,079 or three second window of opportunity, and it's unlikely they 417 00:25:19,119 --> 00:25:21,799 would ever notice that, you know, there was a pager 418 00:25:21,839 --> 00:25:25,559 with numbers in there. So now I'm I'm remembering the 419 00:25:25,640 --> 00:25:29,359 two cards from the previous shoe the two cards from 420 00:25:29,400 --> 00:25:34,119 the new shoe firsthand, and I've cut the string to 421 00:25:34,200 --> 00:25:36,799 about a deck and a half in now, Anita and 422 00:25:36,799 --> 00:25:39,680 I would be playing, and she'd be eating cards, playing 423 00:25:39,720 --> 00:25:42,200 triple five hundreds to eat cards because we had a 424 00:25:42,240 --> 00:25:45,400 five hundred dollars minimum game while I'm playing orange chips 425 00:25:45,400 --> 00:25:48,880 thousand dollar chips. And then I'd tell her, oh, sit out, 426 00:25:48,920 --> 00:25:51,200 I feel you know, I feel lucky of playing one 427 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:55,079 hand for now. And then what would happen is when 428 00:25:55,160 --> 00:25:59,759 the two cards key cards appeared in order, I'd go, okay, 429 00:25:59,759 --> 00:26:01,599 I mean the string, and let's say that there was 430 00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:05,240 card number one, card number two, and two more cards appeared, 431 00:26:05,319 --> 00:26:08,000 so now I know that I needed the third number 432 00:26:08,599 --> 00:26:11,960 in the string. And let's say that third number was six, 433 00:26:12,799 --> 00:26:17,079 So a six would tell me that I needed to 434 00:26:17,119 --> 00:26:22,839 play three hens of five thousand dollars of reverse basic strategy. 435 00:26:22,880 --> 00:26:25,319 In other words, if I had like thirteen against a five, 436 00:26:25,359 --> 00:26:29,200 I would hit, but you know, if the dealer had 437 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:33,079 a big card, I would stand and you know whatever, 438 00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,720 and so that you know, in theory, we'd be generating 439 00:26:36,720 --> 00:26:40,720 a lot winners. What made this more complicated than it 440 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:45,960 sounds is that Scott was unreleased. Now luckily, you know, 441 00:26:46,000 --> 00:26:48,599 it was only a four table pit, but it meant 442 00:26:48,599 --> 00:26:50,720 that I had to try to predict where he was 443 00:26:50,759 --> 00:26:54,160 going to be and be there when he you know, 444 00:26:54,319 --> 00:26:57,839 when he shuffled. But I'd also have to try to 445 00:26:57,880 --> 00:27:02,680 get you know, the h the first hand and memorize 446 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,720 the key cards. And just to make things more interesting, 447 00:27:07,440 --> 00:27:11,799 Bill couldn't stand not to get you know, up to 448 00:27:11,839 --> 00:27:14,680 the minute play by play reports, especially if there had 449 00:27:14,759 --> 00:27:16,720 been a lock winter or might have been a lock winter. 450 00:27:17,519 --> 00:27:21,799 So he wanted me practically every shoe to go up 451 00:27:22,240 --> 00:27:24,680 to the suite. So now we'd go up to the 452 00:27:24,720 --> 00:27:27,079 suite and I'd report in and then he'd say, okay, 453 00:27:27,119 --> 00:27:29,480 go on back. Now I'd go back, and now I'd 454 00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,440 be looking around the pit and trying to figure out 455 00:27:31,799 --> 00:27:33,960 what table do I want to be at, And then 456 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:36,359 we'd hit that table and say to the boss says okay, 457 00:27:36,359 --> 00:27:38,799 could I have a five hundred dollars minimum on this table, 458 00:27:39,599 --> 00:27:41,799 and then you know, we'd leave again. And I guess 459 00:27:41,839 --> 00:27:44,480 they thought I was banging the Jesus out of Anita. 460 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,759 But whatever they were thinking, you know, they began to 461 00:27:48,799 --> 00:27:51,920 think it was pretty weird. And the amount of heat, 462 00:27:52,039 --> 00:27:55,039 I mean, they were taking the play, but they'd figured 463 00:27:55,079 --> 00:27:57,799 out that I'd given them false you know, a false 464 00:27:57,880 --> 00:28:03,240 name and false information. And they had two bosses watching 465 00:28:03,319 --> 00:28:07,039 me all the time. But whenever, you know, lock winter 466 00:28:07,119 --> 00:28:10,839 would come up, or you know, a big swing, because 467 00:28:11,039 --> 00:28:14,000 you know, randomly I was having big swings with amounts. 468 00:28:14,000 --> 00:28:17,559 I was betting there'd suddenly be four more bosses, so 469 00:28:17,599 --> 00:28:20,359 there'd be six bosses lined up in a falling. So 470 00:28:20,400 --> 00:28:22,920 all of them standing there staring at me. Well, I'm 471 00:28:22,960 --> 00:28:26,440 trying to look nonchalant, but you know, remember all these numbers, 472 00:28:27,000 --> 00:28:30,200 and you know, I've got a good memory. But after 473 00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,960 a while I realized that I was having trouble forgetting, 474 00:28:34,480 --> 00:28:36,960 you know, because by now I'd memorized a whole lot 475 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:39,519 of two card combinations and a whole lot of ten 476 00:28:39,559 --> 00:28:42,279 digit numbers. And they were beginning as I got more 477 00:28:42,319 --> 00:28:45,079 and more tired and stressed and I'd go up to 478 00:28:45,119 --> 00:28:47,039 the room and you know, two o'clock in the morning 479 00:28:47,079 --> 00:28:50,000 and there were twenty people crammed. 480 00:28:49,559 --> 00:28:50,079 Speaker 2: In the room. 481 00:28:50,160 --> 00:28:52,079 Speaker 1: There's no room for me to sit or lie down 482 00:28:52,119 --> 00:28:54,039 on the bed, so I'm lying on the floor and 483 00:28:54,079 --> 00:28:56,720 people are stepping over me and I'm just you know, 484 00:28:56,799 --> 00:28:59,759 and then they'd go, okay, time to go and yeah, yeah, okay, 485 00:28:59,759 --> 00:29:01,680 and go back down and I do it again, and 486 00:29:02,240 --> 00:29:04,559 you know, by four o'clock in the morning when we wrapped, 487 00:29:05,079 --> 00:29:06,799 I was just you know, I was limp. 488 00:29:07,640 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 2: Yeah. You know, when when we talk about moving beyond counting, 489 00:29:13,759 --> 00:29:19,720 I think many people have no idea how complicated and 490 00:29:20,039 --> 00:29:24,680 difficult some of these plays can be. But the edge 491 00:29:25,039 --> 00:29:28,039 on that play was just massive, sure. 492 00:29:28,119 --> 00:29:31,160 Speaker 1: I mean, because you know, when you get a lock winner, 493 00:29:31,160 --> 00:29:33,640 you've got a lock winner. So you're betting one, two, 494 00:29:33,799 --> 00:29:37,039 three hens of five thousand at a time knowing that 495 00:29:37,079 --> 00:29:41,119 you're going to win. Yet that's pretty strong. 496 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 2: So even if you only get one shoe per hout, 497 00:29:44,279 --> 00:29:46,200 it's still a great, you know play. 498 00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:48,720 Speaker 1: Well, it turned out that Bill told me that there 499 00:29:48,720 --> 00:29:51,880 were like a half a dozen guys that tried to 500 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:54,319 do it, and there were only two of us, so 501 00:29:54,359 --> 00:29:57,160 were able to do it, you know, to actually pull 502 00:29:57,200 --> 00:30:00,720 it off. The other guy, of course, was you know, 503 00:30:00,759 --> 00:30:03,960 Mike Mihalic and who was part of the you know, 504 00:30:04,039 --> 00:30:08,720 part of the team at the time. And Mike, Mike, 505 00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:10,720 I guess got you know, he had Scott on the 506 00:30:10,720 --> 00:30:14,319 table all night long. Now, I generated and I can't 507 00:30:14,359 --> 00:30:16,599 remember why it was on the mount. I generated thirty 508 00:30:16,599 --> 00:30:20,440 eight thousand, five hundred winners. Mike generated sixty. But the 509 00:30:20,559 --> 00:30:23,799 difference is that we took a net loss on you know, 510 00:30:23,839 --> 00:30:26,759 after all the smoke cleared and he added up everybody's 511 00:30:27,079 --> 00:30:31,000 you know, action, we had lost seventeen thousand dollars. That 512 00:30:31,119 --> 00:30:35,279 was the actual result. Mike plays, he generates sixty thousand 513 00:30:35,279 --> 00:30:38,960 in ev but he wins one hundred and fifty. And 514 00:30:39,039 --> 00:30:42,359 he also he was playing some baccara for cover and 515 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,880 he won another twenty on the baccara table. And the 516 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,359 night before he had gone in and played some baccaraj 517 00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:50,640 just to establish himself, and he won fifty. And Harris 518 00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:52,559 thought that he was up to some kind of baccara 519 00:30:52,680 --> 00:30:55,240 scam the one hundred and fifty and Blackjack had any 520 00:30:55,240 --> 00:30:58,079 even mention to it. Was the baccara that was messing 521 00:30:58,119 --> 00:30:59,160 with their minds. 522 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:05,680 Speaker 4: Wow. Another story that I like was from Korea. I 523 00:31:05,720 --> 00:31:09,920 think you were part of a team and some money 524 00:31:09,960 --> 00:31:14,119 had gone missing and you were falsely accused of it. 525 00:31:15,039 --> 00:31:17,599 Speaker 1: Oh no, no, that was way back in. That was 526 00:31:17,640 --> 00:31:20,359 in Las Vegas when I first started on. 527 00:31:21,160 --> 00:31:23,880 Speaker 4: And you had to take a light detector test, right, 528 00:31:24,319 --> 00:31:28,640 and that had interesting results. Can you share that story? 529 00:31:29,039 --> 00:31:36,359 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, what happened? The team had terrible results. 530 00:31:36,400 --> 00:31:38,839 This was the very first team I ever played on, 531 00:31:39,279 --> 00:31:42,720 and I personally I couldn't win. And I kept asking people, 532 00:31:42,799 --> 00:31:44,720 you know, come watch me play, and they'd watch me 533 00:31:44,759 --> 00:31:46,839 play and they'd say, you know, you're not doing anything wrong, 534 00:31:46,839 --> 00:31:47,839 but you're not very lucky. 535 00:31:48,319 --> 00:31:51,839 Speaker 5: Exactly what happened to me when I started. So I 536 00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:56,039 was stuck fourteen thousand dollars, but the bank roll was stuck. 537 00:31:56,160 --> 00:31:59,039 We were on a forty thousand dollars bankroll, and the 538 00:31:59,079 --> 00:32:01,839 bank roll was stuck, you know, at least that much, 539 00:32:01,880 --> 00:32:08,480 maybe more. And Arthur called a halt and he wanted 540 00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:11,960 to refinance, and he went to Chuck, the head of 541 00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:14,559 the Czech team, who was a friend of his, and 542 00:32:14,759 --> 00:32:18,279 Chuck was going to refinance, but asked, did everybody on 543 00:32:18,319 --> 00:32:22,000 the team take polygraph tests. So I have to get 544 00:32:22,079 --> 00:32:23,920 up early in the morning, which is something I hadn't 545 00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:25,920 done in ten years. But I got up early on 546 00:32:26,079 --> 00:32:28,440 I think it was a Saturday morning, and I went 547 00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:32,920 in and there's a young guy there, you know, looks 548 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:37,359 like a cop want to be and he you know, hi, 549 00:32:37,440 --> 00:32:39,920 how are you? And I don't know if you've ever 550 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:43,200 had a polygraph test or seen a real one administered, 551 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,079 But what they do is they ask you a series 552 00:32:46,119 --> 00:32:51,279 of questions, general questions, and they established kind of a 553 00:32:51,319 --> 00:32:55,440 baseline questions like, you know, is your name Bob the answer? 554 00:32:55,519 --> 00:32:58,440 And do you live in Las Vegas? That that kind 555 00:32:58,519 --> 00:33:01,039 of thing to which you expect to answer yes. They 556 00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:03,240 actually want you to answer yes. 557 00:33:03,359 --> 00:33:07,079 Speaker 1: Oh. But first thing that well, they asked these questions, 558 00:33:07,079 --> 00:33:11,079 but they also they perform a card trick. They have 559 00:33:11,119 --> 00:33:13,720 you pick a card and then they go through the 560 00:33:13,759 --> 00:33:16,039 deck a couple of times, and you're supposed to answer 561 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:19,759 no to every card, and then they say, you know, 562 00:33:20,000 --> 00:33:23,599 was your card so and so? And when you say yes, 563 00:33:23,680 --> 00:33:26,079 you know it was such and such, they say, aha, 564 00:33:26,319 --> 00:33:28,839 you know you are you know, a good candidate for 565 00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:31,359 a light detective test. This shows that the test works 566 00:33:31,359 --> 00:33:32,559 on you and. 567 00:33:33,319 --> 00:33:36,200 Speaker 2: It's a card trick. That's a scam, right they know. 568 00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:39,839 Speaker 1: I'm sure it is. Nobody's ever said yes, that's what's 569 00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,400 going on, but I'm certain that's what's going on. That 570 00:33:42,480 --> 00:33:45,759 you know, they're psychologically prepping you for for the test, 571 00:33:46,079 --> 00:33:49,519 especially in light of what happened. I'm sure that it 572 00:33:49,559 --> 00:33:52,720 was a scam. Because anyway, oh yeah, you're a good 573 00:33:52,720 --> 00:33:55,880 candidate for the test, so great. So there are about 574 00:33:55,920 --> 00:34:00,640 five questions that are these baseline neutral questions, and then 575 00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:04,079 there are five questions about, you know, did you ever 576 00:34:04,119 --> 00:34:07,759 tip with bank well money? And have you ever violated 577 00:34:07,839 --> 00:34:11,039 team policy? And did you steal any money? And a 578 00:34:11,039 --> 00:34:15,079 couple more like that. So we run through the test 579 00:34:15,159 --> 00:34:18,679 twice and again that's I guess standard procedure. And now 580 00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:20,440 he says, I've got to go out of the room 581 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:24,039 take care of something, but we'll probably do the test 582 00:34:24,079 --> 00:34:25,760 one more time. Do you want to think about any 583 00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:29,760 of your answers? And so anyway comes back in. We 584 00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,000 go through another time, and you know, I answered the 585 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:35,559 same way each each way and each time, and now 586 00:34:35,599 --> 00:34:39,400 he says, well, he said, are you sure you don't 587 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,840 want to change any of your answers? And I said, yeah, 588 00:34:41,840 --> 00:34:44,599 I'm sure, you know, I you know, my answers are 589 00:34:44,599 --> 00:34:47,280 my answers. And he said, well, you know, I think 590 00:34:47,320 --> 00:34:49,599 you've lied all the questions. I think you stole the 591 00:34:49,599 --> 00:34:52,039 fourteen thousand dollars and that's what I'm going to have 592 00:34:52,079 --> 00:34:56,719 to report to mister Golver. And I was stunned and 593 00:34:57,119 --> 00:35:00,039 I said what and he oh yeah, and so so 594 00:35:00,199 --> 00:35:02,960 I said, well, you know, you can report anything you want, 595 00:35:03,679 --> 00:35:05,800 but you know I didn't steal any money. I didn't 596 00:35:05,840 --> 00:35:08,639 lie to any questions. And I walked out of there, 597 00:35:08,639 --> 00:35:09,800 and you know, I felt like I was going to 598 00:35:09,840 --> 00:35:13,079 pass out. I mean, this was Kafka asked, is the 599 00:35:13,079 --> 00:35:16,639 word that describes it? I just I couldn't believe what 600 00:35:16,719 --> 00:35:19,159 had happened. And so I got right on the phone 601 00:35:19,159 --> 00:35:21,360 and I called up Arthur and I told him, you 602 00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,079 know what happened. They had a team meeting without me, 603 00:35:24,119 --> 00:35:26,800 and nobody on the team believed the results that they 604 00:35:26,840 --> 00:35:29,559 wanted to be retested. So I go back in and 605 00:35:29,599 --> 00:35:32,719 this time it's an older guy and he looks at 606 00:35:32,760 --> 00:35:35,199 me and he smiles and he said I knew you 607 00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,880 were going to be fat. And I said, oh, yeah, thanks, 608 00:35:39,920 --> 00:35:43,440 how's that? And he said well, us fat guy. He 609 00:35:43,519 --> 00:35:46,760 was also overweight. He said, us fat guys, the test 610 00:35:46,800 --> 00:35:49,239 doesn't really work on us. And he suddenly, here's your 611 00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:52,360 results from last week, which it turns out it was 612 00:35:52,360 --> 00:35:55,519 his son that had administered the test. He owned the firm, 613 00:35:55,559 --> 00:35:58,280 his son and administered the test the week before. So 614 00:35:58,360 --> 00:36:00,800 he's showing me and he said, now, this past registers, 615 00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:06,360 you know, your respiration. This pen registers the electrical impulses 616 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:10,920 and your fingertips based on your perspiration, and you know, 617 00:36:11,000 --> 00:36:13,960 this is your heart rate. And so he was showing 618 00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,599 me that two and a half of the pins, you know, 619 00:36:17,679 --> 00:36:22,440 two pins completely just toting flatline, nothing, no result. It 620 00:36:22,480 --> 00:36:25,559 was like, you know, I wasn't even there. One of 621 00:36:25,599 --> 00:36:27,880 them was totally erratic. And then only one of them, 622 00:36:28,119 --> 00:36:31,519 the fingertip one was showing, you know, some actual signs 623 00:36:31,559 --> 00:36:36,119 of life. And so what had happened was that the 624 00:36:36,159 --> 00:36:42,159 first examiner didn't understand blackjack and assumed that his mission 625 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,119 was to find somebody who had stolen money. That was 626 00:36:45,159 --> 00:36:48,559 the way he understood what was happening. Nobody had stolen 627 00:36:48,599 --> 00:36:51,800 any money. And it didn't help that when he was 628 00:36:51,880 --> 00:36:56,760 asking everybody else on the team had dirty secrets. You know, 629 00:36:56,880 --> 00:37:00,360 they they had tipped lots of money. They were making 630 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,920 cover bets. Some of them were paying for taxis with 631 00:37:04,079 --> 00:37:06,960 team money. They want of them paid the rent with 632 00:37:07,079 --> 00:37:09,639 team money. And then he gets to me, and I'm like, no, 633 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:11,880 are you kidding? That's against the rules. I wouldn't do 634 00:37:11,920 --> 00:37:15,159 it anything like that. And actually I had tipped. I tipped, 635 00:37:15,159 --> 00:37:16,960 you know. He says, well, you know, like, is it 636 00:37:17,079 --> 00:37:20,639 more than three hundred dollars. No, it's less than five dollars. 637 00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,960 You know, the cocktail waitress would come around with my coke, 638 00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:27,320 and you know, sometimes I took a fifty cent piece 639 00:37:27,320 --> 00:37:30,039 from an odd black jacket gave it tour and you know, 640 00:37:30,119 --> 00:37:32,199 I probably did that a couple of times, and you know, 641 00:37:32,239 --> 00:37:34,480 it was team money, but I felt a little bad 642 00:37:34,480 --> 00:37:37,159 about it. But anyway, and it turned out that the 643 00:37:37,599 --> 00:37:40,039 least anybody else on the team had tipped was one 644 00:37:40,119 --> 00:37:43,239 hundred dollars. So you know, now I come in and 645 00:37:43,280 --> 00:37:45,039 I sound like I'm too good to be true, but 646 00:37:45,079 --> 00:37:47,679 I'm also the guy who lost fourteen thousand. So anyway, 647 00:37:47,679 --> 00:37:49,760 the guy said, okay, we're going to do the test again. 648 00:37:50,159 --> 00:37:52,679 Now hold your arm. He had me hold my arm 649 00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,920 real tight against my side, and he said that'll help. 650 00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,000 And now it went from about one and a half 651 00:37:58,039 --> 00:38:00,800 pins to about two and a half pins. And he said, okay, well, 652 00:38:01,159 --> 00:38:03,199 now it looks like three of the questions you're telling 653 00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:06,679 the truth and the other two are ambiguous. And so 654 00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,840 I'll report that to mister Goldberg. And you know that 655 00:38:10,000 --> 00:38:13,559 was and then we got refinanced and when life went on, 656 00:38:13,679 --> 00:38:16,360 but I vowed that I would never again take any 657 00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:19,280 sort of you know, whether there was a light detector, 658 00:38:19,320 --> 00:38:24,760 whether it was sodium pentathol, which was once proposed. I mean, 659 00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:28,440 you know, it was not a not proposed to me specifically, 660 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:30,519 but just a team that was trying to recruit me 661 00:38:30,519 --> 00:38:33,239 mentioned that they were going to use it was either 662 00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:39,159 sodium pentathal or voice stress as policy the test members 663 00:38:39,199 --> 00:38:40,639 of the team. And I said, I don't care what 664 00:38:40,679 --> 00:38:43,559 you're doing. I'm not going through that again. You know, 665 00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:44,719 so not interested. 666 00:38:45,599 --> 00:38:51,840 Speaker 2: So we could go on here all day long, literally, 667 00:38:52,559 --> 00:38:55,440 because there are so many stories in the book. But 668 00:38:55,480 --> 00:39:00,159 I think another one that people will appreciate is the 669 00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,800 boss at the Tropicana asking you if you are at 670 00:39:04,800 --> 00:39:05,480 a hard counter. 671 00:39:06,440 --> 00:39:12,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so I had been getting weird heat, you know, 672 00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:16,440 i'd go into these places, and actually I had gotten 673 00:39:16,559 --> 00:39:22,039 back room at the Union Plaza and they literally had 674 00:39:22,119 --> 00:39:23,960 seen nothing. I mean, I went in and it was 675 00:39:24,000 --> 00:39:26,440 a Friday night. It was really crowded, and I decided 676 00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:29,599 it was too crowded to play. So, you know, I 677 00:39:29,719 --> 00:39:31,760 maybe I had varied my bet from twenty five dollars 678 00:39:31,800 --> 00:39:34,280 to fifty dollars and I got back ruled, and I 679 00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:36,440 was pretty freaked out about that. But I went into 680 00:39:36,719 --> 00:39:40,159 the Tropicana and I figured, great, you know, I'm going in. 681 00:39:40,679 --> 00:39:44,719 It's a high limit casino and I never played the 682 00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:48,119 Tropicana at all to this point. So I went in 683 00:39:48,159 --> 00:39:50,079 there on day shift and I sit down at a 684 00:39:50,119 --> 00:39:54,639 table and the two bosses in the pit looked at me, 685 00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:57,400 and I just picked up body language that they were 686 00:39:57,440 --> 00:40:00,719 reacting to my presence, and I thought, I am really 687 00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:04,480 getting paranoid because these people have never seen me, so 688 00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:08,480 you know what, you know, why would they be reacting 689 00:40:08,639 --> 00:40:11,920 like that. I must be imagining things and I'm playing, 690 00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,559 and you know, I haven't had any big bets yet, 691 00:40:14,599 --> 00:40:18,519 I haven't done anything. And another boss, a high roller, 692 00:40:18,639 --> 00:40:20,480 sat down and he asked for a thousand dollars marker 693 00:40:21,199 --> 00:40:25,079 and this other boss, who turned out to be the 694 00:40:25,119 --> 00:40:27,760 shift manager, came to the table to fill the marker 695 00:40:28,480 --> 00:40:30,880 and he turns to me and he says, do you 696 00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:34,079 count cards? And I said what? And he said are 697 00:40:34,119 --> 00:40:36,360 you a card counter? And I said who me? No, 698 00:40:36,920 --> 00:40:38,880 you know I don't count cards. And he said are 699 00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:42,320 you sure? And I said, well, I know basic strategy. 700 00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:44,000 I don't know if it was a good answer now, 701 00:40:44,039 --> 00:40:46,079 but that was, you know, I said I know basic strategy. 702 00:40:46,079 --> 00:40:47,760 And he said, oh, you know basic strategy, but you 703 00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,239 don't count cards. And I said no, I don't count 704 00:40:50,280 --> 00:40:54,440 cards and he said okay. So he leaves and then 705 00:40:54,480 --> 00:40:56,159 he comes back and he said are you sure you 706 00:40:56,159 --> 00:40:59,239 don't count cards? And I said, yeah, I'm really sure 707 00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,159 I don't count cars. Would you be willing to swear 708 00:41:02,199 --> 00:41:05,800 to it? And I said yeah and he said okay. 709 00:41:05,880 --> 00:41:08,679 He said, raise your right hand, soa what he said, Well, 710 00:41:08,679 --> 00:41:11,199 I'm raised your right hand. I said okay. And he 711 00:41:11,280 --> 00:41:15,039 said do you solemnly swear that you do not count cards? 712 00:41:15,079 --> 00:41:17,079 And I said I do solemnly swear that I do 713 00:41:17,159 --> 00:41:20,119 not count cards. I said, well, okay, that's good enough 714 00:41:20,119 --> 00:41:21,480 for me, and he walked off and I said, what 715 00:41:21,559 --> 00:41:24,400 the hell is that? And the dealer was kind of, 716 00:41:24,440 --> 00:41:26,360 you know, freaked out by this. He said, I don't know, 717 00:41:26,400 --> 00:41:29,920 he's always clowning around. Then he comes back a third 718 00:41:29,960 --> 00:41:32,880 time and he said, now you don't count cards, right, 719 00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:35,239 And I said right, And he said you swore to 720 00:41:35,280 --> 00:41:35,800 it right now? 721 00:41:35,880 --> 00:41:36,079 Speaker 4: Yeah? 722 00:41:36,159 --> 00:41:38,559 Speaker 1: Right, I swore to it. And he said, but this 723 00:41:38,679 --> 00:41:41,079 sure looks like you. And he's got a picture of me, 724 00:41:41,639 --> 00:41:43,519 and he shows it to the dealer he said, looks 725 00:41:43,559 --> 00:41:47,199 like him, doesn't it. And so you know, now I 726 00:41:47,280 --> 00:41:48,840 knew I wasn't going to be able to play there, 727 00:41:49,400 --> 00:41:52,920 but I was wondering about the picture, and so I 728 00:41:53,159 --> 00:41:55,039 called over one of the bosses and I said, where 729 00:41:55,079 --> 00:41:56,840 did that guy go? You know, he had a picture 730 00:41:56,880 --> 00:41:58,400 of me. I'd like to know where he got that picture. 731 00:41:58,440 --> 00:42:01,199 And he said, we'll talk to them playing close security 732 00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,840 out in the aisle. So I went over and I said, 733 00:42:04,519 --> 00:42:06,400 you know, there was a boss that was just here 734 00:42:06,480 --> 00:42:09,039 blah blah blah, and they said, have you ever played 735 00:42:09,039 --> 00:42:12,039 at the Hilton? About a week before, I had made 736 00:42:12,039 --> 00:42:14,280 the mistake of playing in front of a notorious boss 737 00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,480 named Mike Sterling who had barred me, and apparently they 738 00:42:17,480 --> 00:42:19,159 took a picture of me from the eye in the 739 00:42:19,199 --> 00:42:21,719 sky and had put out a flyer, and this is 740 00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:24,440 why I was getting all of this heat. Now, I 741 00:42:24,480 --> 00:42:27,320 thought that, you know, people are never gonna believe this story. 742 00:42:27,360 --> 00:42:29,480 And I got home and the phone starts ringing off 743 00:42:29,519 --> 00:42:31,679 the hook. And it turned out that every card counter 744 00:42:31,760 --> 00:42:35,119 in town was in the Tropicana watching while this was 745 00:42:35,159 --> 00:42:37,679 going on. You know, I mean I was surrounded by 746 00:42:38,239 --> 00:42:40,639 a guy from my team, a guy from Munchkin's team, 747 00:42:40,679 --> 00:42:42,719 a guy from Chuck's team. They were all in there, 748 00:42:42,719 --> 00:42:43,599 all watching him. 749 00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:45,920 Speaker 2: So I guess it used to be a lot more fun. 750 00:42:46,400 --> 00:42:48,320 Speaker 1: Yeah, I had to change my look. I wound up, 751 00:42:49,000 --> 00:42:50,519 you know ya getting a disguise. 752 00:42:51,199 --> 00:42:54,639 Speaker 4: Well, Munchkin has told that he did not like wearing disguises. 753 00:42:55,119 --> 00:42:56,519 Did you like wearing disguises? 754 00:42:57,360 --> 00:42:59,920 Speaker 1: The only part I didn't like was I got contact lenses. 755 00:43:00,079 --> 00:43:03,360 I've worn glasses since I was seven. I had eye 756 00:43:03,440 --> 00:43:08,519 operations recently, which I have very mixed feelings about. I mean, 757 00:43:09,280 --> 00:43:12,079 they were for the health of my eyes, and that 758 00:43:12,159 --> 00:43:15,039 part's good, But otherwise, if Baginie came along and said, 759 00:43:15,440 --> 00:43:19,039 do you want your vision restored to status quo ante, 760 00:43:19,079 --> 00:43:21,840 I'd say, yeah, now do it? You know right away, 761 00:43:22,840 --> 00:43:26,039 because I really don't like the way I see right now, 762 00:43:26,079 --> 00:43:29,719 but I can see well enough without glasses not to 763 00:43:30,760 --> 00:43:34,599 not to be wearing them right now. I got contact 764 00:43:34,719 --> 00:43:40,360 lenses at that time, and I absolutely hated contact lenses. 765 00:43:40,400 --> 00:43:42,320 I'd come home and my eyes would be on fire. 766 00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:44,880 I practically ripped them out of my eyes when I 767 00:43:44,880 --> 00:43:47,960 got home. And I several years later, I did the 768 00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,400 same thing in Korea. I got barred at Walker Hill, 769 00:43:51,480 --> 00:43:54,320 and I went back to wearing contact lenses, and it 770 00:43:54,360 --> 00:43:57,440 was the same problem. But otherwise, I you know, I 771 00:43:57,480 --> 00:43:59,360 got a haircut, and I shaved my beard. I had 772 00:43:59,400 --> 00:44:02,119 a beard, shave my beard off, and you know that 773 00:44:02,239 --> 00:44:04,199 all changed the way I look pretty drastically. 774 00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:08,559 Speaker 2: Is there one story that is one of your favorites 775 00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:10,599 that we haven't gone over yet. 776 00:44:11,239 --> 00:44:15,239 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I kind of like this story. I mean, 777 00:44:15,519 --> 00:44:17,760 I'm telling it an honor of Bob, I think, because 778 00:44:17,760 --> 00:44:22,280 he was so fascinated by all the Korean girls my 779 00:44:22,840 --> 00:44:23,920 first trip. 780 00:44:25,239 --> 00:44:27,760 Speaker 4: By the inclusion of so many Korean girls. 781 00:44:29,039 --> 00:44:32,480 Speaker 1: So it's the last weekend of the trip and I'm 782 00:44:32,559 --> 00:44:36,880 supposed to play on the graveyard shift, which means I 783 00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:38,639 have to get up about six o'clock in the morning 784 00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:41,199 and I walk up to go to the toilet around 785 00:44:41,280 --> 00:44:42,960 one and I was trying to go back to sleep, 786 00:44:43,039 --> 00:44:45,599 and I hear her knocking at the door, and I, 787 00:44:45,800 --> 00:44:47,119 you know, who can that be? And I went to 788 00:44:47,199 --> 00:44:49,840 the door. I opened the door and there is this 789 00:44:49,960 --> 00:44:51,960 Korean girl standing there and she is one of the 790 00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:55,840 most beautiful women I've ever seen in my life. I mean, 791 00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:59,760 you know, even in only years since, she's just you know, 792 00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:05,079 just gorgeous. And she doesn't speak any English, but she 793 00:45:05,159 --> 00:45:08,480 seems interested in coming in, and I'm, you know, a 794 00:45:08,519 --> 00:45:13,199 good host. I invite her in and they anyway, in 795 00:45:13,280 --> 00:45:17,840 the morning. I tried to indicate that she could, you know, stay, 796 00:45:18,079 --> 00:45:20,719 she didn't have to leave, but she insisted on coming 797 00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:22,639 down to the lobby and started talking. There were a 798 00:45:22,639 --> 00:45:26,320 couple of women, older women that slept behind the front desk. 799 00:45:26,639 --> 00:45:30,000 They were cleaning women, and she bumped a cigarette from 800 00:45:30,039 --> 00:45:31,800 them and was sitting there talking with them when I 801 00:45:31,880 --> 00:45:35,360 left gone when I came back. So the next day, 802 00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:38,840 we're checking out of the hotel and I'm responsible for 803 00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:42,400 paying everybody's room, and the manager's on duty, and that 804 00:45:42,639 --> 00:45:45,360 you know, I thought about this, I said, mister Lee, 805 00:45:45,880 --> 00:45:49,880 I said there was this girl, miss Park, that came 806 00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:51,960 to my room the other night. He said, oh, can 807 00:45:52,000 --> 00:45:54,400 I talk to you when he takes me outside? And 808 00:45:54,440 --> 00:45:57,719 he said, do you know mama son? And that's so 809 00:45:57,840 --> 00:45:59,480 I know what a mama son is. And he said, 810 00:45:59,480 --> 00:46:04,039 well sometimes guests, he said, they they you know, call 811 00:46:04,519 --> 00:46:07,280 oh captain and Bell Captain talked to Mamasan. May give 812 00:46:07,320 --> 00:46:11,079 Mamasan's thirty five thousand and one, and then she sent 813 00:46:11,239 --> 00:46:14,920 girl you know and I said yeah. He said, well, 814 00:46:15,880 --> 00:46:19,960 he said Saturday night, he said, guest in three or five. 815 00:46:20,079 --> 00:46:22,599 He talked to Bell Captain. My room was five O three. 816 00:46:23,559 --> 00:46:28,760 Speaker 4: Uh fu. That is a cute story the U and 817 00:46:28,920 --> 00:46:34,719 for our audience. I did enjoy these stories. And Jake 818 00:46:34,920 --> 00:46:39,480 is very comfortable with the English language, and we'll throw 819 00:46:39,519 --> 00:46:43,159 in words you've never heard of periodically, and uses nice 820 00:46:43,199 --> 00:46:46,360 turns of phrases, and he will prove to you beyond 821 00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:48,920 the doubt that he is smarter than you are. But 822 00:46:49,119 --> 00:46:51,760 it is a book that I enjoyed very much, and 823 00:46:51,840 --> 00:46:53,320 I hope it does really well for you. 824 00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:55,920 Speaker 1: Well, thank you, and I'm glad you enjoyed it. I 825 00:46:55,960 --> 00:46:58,239 hope everybody that reads it does, and I hope everybody 826 00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:00,719 reads it a lot of people getting joyment out of it. 827 00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:03,960 Speaker 2: Well, I usually ask all our guests at the end 828 00:47:04,000 --> 00:47:07,920 of the show, favorite restaurant in Las Vegas that is 829 00:47:07,960 --> 00:47:09,159 not in a casino? 830 00:47:10,000 --> 00:47:15,199 Speaker 1: Huh? Probably these days? What the heck is the name 831 00:47:15,239 --> 00:47:18,159 of the place? I've been there four or five times, 832 00:47:18,239 --> 00:47:21,960 and you know, I go more by where it's located. 833 00:47:21,960 --> 00:47:25,760 It's over on the northwest side of town, at the 834 00:47:26,119 --> 00:47:29,519 desert in out you know, pretty far west. It's a 835 00:47:29,639 --> 00:47:33,320 seafood place. I never have trouble finding it, you know 836 00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:37,239 when I when I go there. But my wife likes oysters, 837 00:47:37,880 --> 00:47:41,760 and there are oyster bars and casinos, and you have 838 00:47:41,800 --> 00:47:43,960 to go to a casino and fight the traffic and 839 00:47:44,000 --> 00:47:46,559 the parking and all that. And this place is really 840 00:47:46,559 --> 00:47:50,519 easy to especially since we had to stay at Airbnb's 841 00:47:50,559 --> 00:47:54,119 over on that end of town. So but since I 842 00:47:54,159 --> 00:47:56,079 can't remember the name off the top of my head, 843 00:47:56,639 --> 00:47:59,719 let me switch and I'll say Lotus of Siam. My 844 00:47:59,719 --> 00:48:03,599 wife his Thai, my daughter is Thai. I've lived in Thailand, 845 00:48:05,480 --> 00:48:09,679 and most restaurants that people say are good Thai restaurants aren't. 846 00:48:10,159 --> 00:48:14,599 But Lotus of Siam is really good. And my wife agrees. 847 00:48:14,920 --> 00:48:19,400 Speaker 2: They just reopened the original location, which was closed for 848 00:48:19,440 --> 00:48:20,159 a long time. 849 00:48:22,320 --> 00:48:22,639 Speaker 4: Yeah. 850 00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:27,159 Speaker 2: Yeah, so that just reopened and they now have they 851 00:48:27,199 --> 00:48:31,320 also have one in the Red Rock Casino, so yeah. 852 00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:33,360 Speaker 1: And then they have you know, they have a fancy 853 00:48:33,400 --> 00:48:35,800 one on Flamingo right right. 854 00:48:36,760 --> 00:48:41,079 Speaker 4: So now Richard lives on the east side of town. 855 00:48:41,679 --> 00:48:44,320 Why on earth when you come to Vegas would you 856 00:48:44,840 --> 00:48:47,639 find an airbnb on the northwest part of town. You 857 00:48:47,639 --> 00:48:48,880 could get him anywhere. 858 00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:52,480 Speaker 1: Well, I try to get close to Chinatown if I 859 00:48:52,519 --> 00:48:55,599 get close enough, which I managed once, my wife could 860 00:48:55,639 --> 00:48:58,800 actually walk there when I was out there, you know, 861 00:48:58,880 --> 00:49:02,320 doing this and that, because well, I'm when I'm coming 862 00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:03,920 the next time, there's going to be a backham A 863 00:49:04,000 --> 00:49:07,679 tournament going on, and you know, I'll be I'll be 864 00:49:07,719 --> 00:49:10,199 busy for a few days and it would be nice 865 00:49:10,239 --> 00:49:12,880 if she could. Yeah, I think we're a little too far, 866 00:49:13,079 --> 00:49:16,440 but you know, if she can walk to Chinatown, she's happy. 867 00:49:17,199 --> 00:49:21,440 And although the funny thing is that her favorite market 868 00:49:22,079 --> 00:49:24,599 actually is over of the northeast end of town. It's 869 00:49:24,639 --> 00:49:28,960 at McLeod and desert In. It's called the Lao Asia 870 00:49:29,079 --> 00:49:34,280 Market and that's that's by far her favorite place. Very good, 871 00:49:36,159 --> 00:49:36,599 thank you. 872 00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,280 Speaker 4: It was a pleasure to listening to your stories again, 873 00:49:40,400 --> 00:49:42,400 the ones that were in the book, and you shared 874 00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:45,880 someone's today that work. So I wish the best of you. 875 00:49:46,039 --> 00:49:52,159 Jay Richard, got hit, Royal flushes everybody. Good day, Free 876 00:49:52,280 --> 00:49:56,639 audio post production biophonic dot com.