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Speaker 2: over the fence, and name was dead once you hit
Speaker 2: the grill. I didn't see any cars. All I saw
Speaker 2: was my dog coming over the fence. Sat, what are
Speaker 2: you reporting? We got some wonder or something crawling around
Speaker 2: out here? Did you see what it was? It was
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Speaker 3: I am Alter.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm walking right heady.
Speaker 1: Welcome our guest to the show. It is my friend
Speaker 1: Gwen from Pennsylvania. Welcome to the show.
Speaker 4: Thanks for having me. I'm excited to be here.
Speaker 1: I have been waiting with baited breath all day to
Speaker 1: talk to you. We talk all the time, but not
Speaker 1: on the shows.
Speaker 4: I feel like this is the big time.
Speaker 1: Now you have made it to the big time. I
Speaker 1: am a legend in my own mind when it comes
Speaker 1: for a legends, when it comes to the podcasting world,
Speaker 1: I am a legend in my own mind. But in
Speaker 1: all seriousness, we are friends. We have had a blast
Speaker 1: hanging out together in the UK A couple of months ago.
Speaker 1: We both spoke at the conference over there and I
Speaker 1: got to hang out with you and your amazing husband Mike.
Speaker 1: You guys chauffeured me around. You put up with me
Speaker 1: and Daniel for what was it like four days or so.
Speaker 1: It seemed like forever We've known each other.
Speaker 4: But here we are.
Speaker 1: You're on the show. Let's start with a couple of things.
Speaker 1: I want to start number one first and foremost with
Speaker 1: what gat you interested in Bigfoot?
Speaker 3: To begin with, I will.
Speaker 4: Tell you that prior to Bigfoot, I was a paranormal
Speaker 4: investigator and Bigfoot was nowhere on my radar whatsoever. Honestly,
Speaker 4: if you would have asked me four years ago about Bigfoot,
Speaker 4: I would have been like, yes, if they find it, whatever,
Speaker 4: if they don't, whatever. Been one day in February twenty
Speaker 4: twenty one, he walked into my life.
Speaker 1: We'll definitely get there. That was a teaser, for sure.
Speaker 1: We'll definitely get to that. Let's talk a little bit
Speaker 1: about your paranormal stuff. What gat you interested in the paranormal.
Speaker 1: Did you have experiences as a kid, Because I grew
Speaker 1: up in some haunted houses and had some weird ass
Speaker 1: things happened to me as a child, and I've always
Speaker 1: been interested in the paranormal. Ghost I've done my own
Speaker 1: little ghost hunts in the past. I've caught some EVPs
Speaker 1: and interesting things, but Bigfoot, buy and large has always
Speaker 1: been number one for me. Talk a little bit about
Speaker 1: some of the experiences you had in the paranormal realm
Speaker 1: and what got you interested in doing those kind of investigations.
Speaker 4: One of the earliest memories I have is of a
Speaker 4: guy standing in our living room and he never had
Speaker 4: a face. He was always dressed in black, like a suit,
Speaker 4: and he had a hat on. Infamous hat man, if
Speaker 4: that's what you want to call him. But he always
Speaker 4: stood in our living room, but at different times. He
Speaker 4: would be here one time, and then the next time
Speaker 4: he'd be over here. But all he did was just
Speaker 4: stand there. I remember it like it was yesterday, and
Speaker 4: I never thought to say anything, because I just assumed
Speaker 4: everybody saw the guy standing in the living room. It
Speaker 4: wasn't until recently that my mom was like, why didn't
Speaker 4: you ever tell me about that? And like, oh, I
Speaker 4: was like four or five years old. There was just
Speaker 4: some weird guys in the living room. Everywhere I've lived,
Speaker 4: I've had some kind of experience with an entity. I've
Speaker 4: seen a full body operation of a woman in a
Speaker 4: house that an X and I bought on a foreclosure.
Speaker 4: He liked to scare the shit out of me, and
Speaker 4: she did a really night. She was a little creepy.
Speaker 4: I don't know if they follow me from house to
Speaker 4: house or if I'm just extra sensitive to what's in
Speaker 4: a house, but every house I've lived in has had
Speaker 4: something happen. Currently, we live in a house with four ghosts.
Speaker 4: There's one in our garage. She's not very nice. She's
Speaker 4: pushed me down the stairs multiple times. I moved my
Speaker 4: office inside the house. I don't have to deal with
Speaker 4: her very often.
Speaker 3: I can definitely relate.
Speaker 1: When I first got into Bigfoot and started doing the
Speaker 1: show and I was interviewing people, I used to say
Speaker 1: all the time that I can handle somebody have in
Speaker 1: a Bigfoot experience. But when you talk to people and
Speaker 1: they've had every kind of experience, you say, oh, have
Speaker 1: you ever had a paranormal experience?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, see ghosts all the time. What about UFOs? Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I've been abducted by aliens? What about Bigfoot?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 1: See Bigfoot quite often. I've had four experience And I'm like,
Speaker 1: that's a little out there for me. You say, how
Speaker 1: can anybody have all of those experiences? And it dawned
Speaker 1: on me recently. I was having a conversation. I think
Speaker 1: I was a guest on another podcast. I had this epiphany,
Speaker 1: I am that guy because I've had experiences with ghosts
Speaker 1: and poultry geist activity, demonic possession I believe, and demonic
Speaker 1: entities in our house that we lived in when I
Speaker 1: was a kid. I've had multiple UFO experiences. Never been
Speaker 1: abducted that I know of. Still looking for the probes.
Speaker 1: If there's any probes in there, I'll let you guys know.
Speaker 1: But I'm not thinking I've been abducted. But I've had
Speaker 1: multiple experiences where I've seen these things. Now, I've had
Speaker 1: multiple experiences with Bigfoot, and we have weird shit going
Speaker 1: on here on the property all the time with lights
Speaker 1: and weird things happening outside of the bigfoot stuff. I'm
Speaker 1: right there with you. This is a conversation I've had
Speaker 1: with people recently. People have asked me, do I think
Speaker 1: that people who have an experience like you did when
Speaker 1: you were younger, does that make you more susceptible experiences
Speaker 1: with other things later in life? Does it make you marked?
Speaker 1: Are you marked as a person to have those experiences?
Speaker 1: To that was I think that would mean there was
Speaker 1: something more woo and high strangeness that would connect all
Speaker 1: of that From me. I think if you have those
Speaker 1: kind of experiences, whether it's early on or just multiple
Speaker 1: experiences over the course of your life, you tend to
Speaker 1: be more open to acknowledging those experiences and then.
Speaker 3: Looking for stuff.
Speaker 1: I literally tell people all the time I've had the
Speaker 1: UFO experiences I've had because I was looking up. Had
Speaker 1: been looking up, I wouldn't have seen any of the
Speaker 1: UFOs that I've seen in my lifetime. Most people aren't.
Speaker 1: If I'm not driving down the road, if I'm riding
Speaker 1: in a car, I'm typically looking up in the sky
Speaker 1: just because that's something to do. So I've had those
Speaker 1: experiences because I'm looking for those things. Same thing with Bigfoot.
Speaker 1: I go out in the woods and I look for
Speaker 1: sign absolutely, and then you have experiences because of that.
Speaker 1: Do you think it's more of a high strangeness connection
Speaker 1: that pulls all this together and everything is somehow connected,
Speaker 1: or do you think it's just happenstance and you just
Speaker 1: happen to be more in tune with your surroundings because
Speaker 1: you've had those kind of before in life.
Speaker 4: Before Bigbut I would have said that, I'm just I
Speaker 4: don't know. I think I'm like you paying attention. For example,
Speaker 4: I moved in with Mike back in twenty seventeen. Things
Speaker 4: started happening almost as soon as I walked in the house.
Speaker 4: He'd be like, I never noticed anything like that before
Speaker 4: you moved in. He's made those comment, I never noticed
Speaker 4: anything before you moved in, And I'm like, is it
Speaker 4: because he wasn't looking? Were things happening and he just
Speaker 4: wasn't tuned into it? And I am, I don't know.
Speaker 4: Somebody was on Facebook kind of trashing Ron moorehead and
Speaker 4: if I really sit down and think about, okay, quantum
Speaker 4: theory stuff is like above a lot of people's heads
Speaker 4: and it's a lot to digest. But at the same token,
Speaker 4: if you can believe that a ghost or a spirit
Speaker 4: can come in and out of a room, could see
Speaker 4: an apparition here one second and the next second she's gone.
Speaker 4: Where did she go? If you have that belief and
Speaker 4: the paranormal, it's really not that far of a stress
Speaker 4: to be like, Okay, I don't know how ghosts do
Speaker 4: what they do. Is it a dimensional thing? Are they
Speaker 4: interacting with our realms so to speak? Are they overlapping
Speaker 4: somehow happened. I don't know how that works. So but
Speaker 4: ron beyond something. Absolutely, we don't know how these things happen.
Speaker 4: Are we just two planes living at the same spot
Speaker 4: at the same time and they come in So I
Speaker 4: don't know. I would like to think they're not connected,
Speaker 4: but they could be. I don't know. When I see
Speaker 4: Bigfoot walk out of a spaceship, I'll be like, yep, okay,
Speaker 4: I'm on board with that theory. I just don't know,
Speaker 4: And until I see it for myself, I just try
Speaker 4: to stay open minded, go where the evidence takes me.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: Let's get into the Bigfoot stuff. Obviously, you said the
Speaker 1: big guy walked into your life. Let's talk about your
Speaker 1: first experience with these things. Was it deciding? Was it
Speaker 1: other experiences. Take us back to where you were, what
Speaker 1: you were doing, and tell us what happened to you.
Speaker 4: Oh my gosh, I'll be eighty with dementia and still
Speaker 4: remember this. It was just maybe a thousand beat from
Speaker 4: our house. It was across the road in a cornfield.
Speaker 4: We pulled up to the stop sign. You can either
Speaker 4: go left or right. I'm usually on my phone. I'm
Speaker 4: really not paying a whole live attention. Mike's driving, so
Speaker 4: I'm trying to stay focused on something else and i
Speaker 4: just look up and I'm like, oh, there's somebody walking
Speaker 4: across the field, was my first thought. The farmer that
Speaker 4: owns the field does not live close by, so even
Speaker 4: whence he comes on a tractor, and I don't see
Speaker 4: a tractor anywhere, and I'm like, that's weird. Who would
Speaker 4: that be. But I'm looking at this thing and I'm thinking,
Speaker 4: holy crap, that's awful. Big. Will you see a hunter
Speaker 4: come out of the woods over there? They look like ants.
Speaker 4: This thing was huge. He was black from head to toe.
Speaker 4: It wasn't wearing any clothes. Phone in my hand, never
Speaker 4: thought not a damn photo. But literally, Mike's turning the
Speaker 4: quarter and I'm breaking my neck to continue watching this thing.
Speaker 4: And it's walking on a diagonal away from us. So
Speaker 4: I'm just and this thing cleared this cornfield in mere seconds.
Speaker 4: I'm sitting in the car and I'm super quiet, trying
Speaker 4: to figure this out. I've hunted in this area my
Speaker 4: whole life. I have never seen anything like this. Now.
Speaker 4: I've seen bear coyote boxes, cooling skunks in the whole
Speaker 4: nine yards. This is nothing I've ever seen. This is
Speaker 4: not a bear walking across the cornfield. Bear have short
Speaker 4: little legs. When they stand up on their hind legs,
Speaker 4: they take smaller steps. This thing's walking like you and
Speaker 4: I are long strides. It cleared this cornfield. I'm not
Speaker 4: even kidding when I say it was literally seconds. I'm like,
Speaker 4: this can't be happening. That can't be what it is.
Speaker 4: I'm on my phone all day looking for reports from
Speaker 4: this area. Honest to god, I thought I'm losing my mind.
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna find anything. There's gonna be no explanation
Speaker 4: for what the hell this thing was. Right, I start
Speaker 4: looking and I'm pulling up bigfoot reports for our area
Speaker 4: from like the nineteen seventies, and I'm completely blown away.
Speaker 4: And what I saw is what people have described back
Speaker 4: in the seventies, and I'm like trying to wrap my
Speaker 4: head around this. Is this what I really saw? It's
Speaker 4: got to be something else because we don't have bigfoot here.
Speaker 4: At the end of the day, Mike is I don't
Speaker 4: know what's wrong with you, but what's going on because
Speaker 4: you're not talking today, and that's that's totally unlike me.
Speaker 4: I'm like, you're going to think I'm crazy when I
Speaker 4: say this, but did you see that thing crossing the cornfield?
Speaker 4: I think I saw a bigfoot. If you went you're
Speaker 4: crazy And I'm like, no, I'm serious. I'm pulling up
Speaker 4: reports on my phone. Look at these reports. They're drunk
Speaker 4: coal miners from the nineteen seventies. They did not see
Speaker 4: a bigfoot crossing the railroad tracks and crossing here. I'm like,
Speaker 4: I don't know, Mike. I'm telling you, I've been trying
Speaker 4: to rationalize this all day. I'm telling you that it
Speaker 4: can't be anything. But that's the only explanation. I have
Speaker 4: eliminated everything, and this is all I'm left with. And
Speaker 4: it's been full on seventies a week, three sixty five.
Speaker 4: I think about is big. But I drive down the
Speaker 4: road and I'm like, he could be watching us right now.
Speaker 4: That bluffing in a curse, I call it.
Speaker 1: It's definitely that for all of us. I think it
Speaker 1: does one or two things to people who haven't experience
Speaker 1: like that. Fortunately for you, it was from a safe
Speaker 1: enough distance.
Speaker 3: I know.
Speaker 1: The answer for you was you went down the rabbit
Speaker 1: hole and you've been there ever since. But a lot
Speaker 1: of people they have those experiences. If it's a little
Speaker 1: bit more up close and personal, some people turn and
Speaker 1: run from it. They don't want anything else to do
Speaker 1: with it. They run from the subject. That was it
Speaker 1: for them. But for you, that's not the case. At
Speaker 1: what point, once you had that initial siding, did you
Speaker 1: go into going out into the woods and doing investigations.
Speaker 1: If so, were you having experiences when you were out
Speaker 1: looking for these things?
Speaker 4: I did not go immediately into the woods. But what
Speaker 4: I did was is I started ordering books Amazon, big
Speaker 4: butt books, and I just started ordering I've masked quite
Speaker 4: the life repeach of books. I add to it all
Speaker 4: the time. I started watching I know this is terrible
Speaker 4: and everybody will hate what I'm about to say. But
Speaker 4: I started watching all the shows right and I'm gonna
Speaker 4: be honest. I could only watch two episodes of Finding Bigfoot,
Speaker 4: and I was like, I can't do it. I had
Speaker 4: to find something else. That's when I found Seth Breenblof's
Speaker 4: movies and I found dunk Hijack's staff. I started watching
Speaker 4: these little documentaries, listening to what they were experiencing in
Speaker 4: the woods, the wood knocks, the rocks being thrown. I
Speaker 4: have not been lucky enough to hear any samurai chatter.
Speaker 4: I just started immersing myself and everything I did find Bigfoot.
Speaker 4: And then in September of the same year, over my birthday,
Speaker 4: I came across the BFIRO having an expedition four hours
Speaker 4: away from us in the Alligating National Forest. I was like,
Speaker 4: I'm going, it's my birthday and signing up. Mike was like,
Speaker 4: you're insane paying to go look for Bigfoot.
Speaker 1: And stay tuned for more sasquatch out to see right
Speaker 1: back after these messages, it.
Speaker 4: Was an expensive price tag for camping. I went. I
Speaker 4: learned so much. There was probably twenty of us in
Speaker 4: this expedition, so I wasn't the only crazy person who
Speaker 4: spent that kind of money. The guy that hosted the expedition.
Speaker 4: We're still friends today. We still communicate. Some of the
Speaker 4: people that were on the expedition with me have become
Speaker 4: investigators with me, and we still maintain contact even to today.
Speaker 4: So with work the money, in my opinion, and then
Speaker 4: coming home and having experiences here at the house. When
Speaker 4: you're out in the yard net rockets thrown, you're like, uh,
Speaker 4: I saw this on a show somewhere or a bird
Speaker 4: people talk about it in their books. So I started
Speaker 4: piecing things together and being like, Okay, this could be
Speaker 4: potential because I did see this thing not even a
Speaker 4: thousand feet.
Speaker 3: From my health.
Speaker 4: It's nerving, to say the least.
Speaker 1: I know that's not the only time that you've had
Speaker 1: experiences with these things, So why don't you take us
Speaker 1: to where the next experience was?
Speaker 3: What was it? Where were you and what were you doing?
Speaker 4: I've only had two sightings of big butt. The next
Speaker 4: one within Salt Fork State Park in Ohio. I went
Speaker 4: there on a group camp out. I went by myself,
Speaker 4: so I slept in the back of my bronco because
Speaker 4: I always do them by myself. Oh jeez, it was
Speaker 4: the weirdest thing. Friday night, I'm sleeping in my Bronco,
Speaker 4: get up in the morning. We decide we're going to
Speaker 4: go down this dirt road. We're going to check a
Speaker 4: place that we're going to go to that night researching.
Speaker 4: When we got back to camp, I get out of
Speaker 4: my car and I walk around the back and I'm like,
Speaker 4: what the hell is that? There is a gigantic handprint
Speaker 4: on the back of my car. Now, I would not
Speaker 4: have thought anything of it, except for everywhere where I
Speaker 4: touched on the car was not dusted, just this one handprint.
Speaker 4: I have big hands for a girl, but I really
Speaker 4: have to stretch my fingers apart to even remotely match
Speaker 4: this thing. It's a nice print. Like, oh my gosh,
Speaker 4: that's insane. I've heard people say how their skin can
Speaker 4: be pretty oily, and we're down that dirt road, so
Speaker 4: it just dusted the prints. This is crazy. And then
Speaker 4: Saturday night, I'm weeping in my Bronco. I had a
Speaker 4: power pack that I had a fan hooked up to.
Speaker 4: I must have drained the power pack dry. The fans
Speaker 4: shut off and it starts to get warm in my car.
Speaker 4: I'm like, oh my gosh, it's getting warm. I wake up.
Speaker 4: I look at my phone. It's four twenty in the morning.
Speaker 4: I look out the back window of my Bronco and
Speaker 4: something standing there. Now I'm parked. I'm pulled into the
Speaker 4: woodline I would have had to drive through whenever was
Speaker 4: standing there the park where I was parked, so I
Speaker 4: know it wasn't there before. This is insane. So I'm
Speaker 4: like looking out the side windows. Everybody's asleep, nobody's up,
Speaker 4: the fires are all out. I started a panic. I'm
Speaker 4: a tough girl. I run in when other people are
Speaker 4: running out, and I'm not afraid of a whole lot
Speaker 4: of things. I'm going to tell you I lost my
Speaker 4: mind because I was like, oh my god, I don't
Speaker 4: want to move too much because what if it freaks
Speaker 4: out and then busts out my window, rips me out
Speaker 4: of the car. Worst case scenario, I'm gonna get murdered. Right,
Speaker 4: I'm just gonna lay here. I'm gonna listen see if
Speaker 4: it walks away. I don't hear a thing, and look
Speaker 4: back up a couple of minutes later it's gone. Then
Speaker 4: I have some friends that are detectives who are also
Speaker 4: bigfoot researchers. I start going to the detective mode. Okay,
Speaker 4: my broncos roughly five and a half feet from the
Speaker 4: ground to the top of my truck. All I saw
Speaker 4: was a midsection. There was no head, there was no shoulders.
Speaker 4: So this thing is at least seven seven and a
Speaker 4: half eight foot tall. The weird thing was in the morning.
Speaker 4: I packed my shit so fast I didn't even say
Speaker 4: goodbye to people. I was out of there. I left.
Speaker 4: On the way home. I call Mike and I'm like,
Speaker 4: you are not gonna believe what freaking happened last night.
Speaker 4: I tell him all about it. You gotta call Bill
Speaker 4: and tell vill. Okay, I call Bill. He goes, I'm
Speaker 4: going to call you back. I'm like, really, I just
Speaker 4: told you that potentially there was a big butt staying
Speaker 4: behind my truck in the middle of the night. You're like,
Speaker 4: I'll call you back. So he called me back and
Speaker 4: he says that the lady that was camping across from me,
Speaker 4: she was in a tent. She got out of her
Speaker 4: tent around the same time and saw something standing there,
Speaker 4: so she scoped it with her FUMML camera, which is
Speaker 4: an older model. It didn't take pictures. I could just die.
Speaker 4: There was something standing there. And on the way home,
Speaker 4: I still have this handprint on the back of my
Speaker 4: car because at that point I did not have anything
Speaker 4: to lift prints in my gear bag. A drop of
Speaker 4: rain hit my window and I'm literally in the car
Speaker 4: went no ring flag. At home it cleared up. I
Speaker 4: made Mike move the car out of the garage so
Speaker 4: I could park in the garage because I didn't want
Speaker 4: anything to happen to this freaking handprint. As soon as
Speaker 4: I got home, I got my cricket transfer tape out
Speaker 4: and list of the prints off the back of my
Speaker 4: cart was in thing.
Speaker 1: Isn't it funny though, that you go out in search
Speaker 1: of these things you don't expect to react the way
Speaker 1: that you react, or maybe you did. Was it like
Speaker 1: that for you in hindsight? You look back and go, man,
Speaker 1: when you're out there looking for this thing, it's standing
Speaker 1: right there, and you pack your shit and leave.
Speaker 4: I'm a paramedic and I'm always running into things when
Speaker 4: i'm running out, and I like to think I'm a
Speaker 4: big tough girl, but I'm telling you, when it came
Speaker 4: down to the nuts and bolts of it, I almost
Speaker 4: pissed my pants because I was like, oh shit, here
Speaker 4: is this moment that I've been wanting, right, we all
Speaker 4: want that moment where you're not that far away from Bigfoot.
Speaker 4: You see it, and then I thought I would be
Speaker 4: a much bigger girl than I was, But I wasn't.
Speaker 1: I think that's the honest reaction that most people have.
Speaker 1: I've said it before on the show. I've always wanted
Speaker 1: to see one of these things. I've joked in the
Speaker 1: past that I wanted it to be from the safety
Speaker 1: of my truck at about fifty miles an hour, about
Speaker 1: one hundred yards away, because I tell you I have
Speaker 1: no qualms admitting it. I was a cop for a
Speaker 1: lot of years. I too, like you, was running towards
Speaker 1: the gunfire. You're going in. You're the person that's got
Speaker 1: to take care of everybody. You're the protector. But I've
Speaker 1: been walking down my dark path at night, heading down
Speaker 1: to check the gate or something before we go to bed,
Speaker 1: and a freaking raccoon run out and scare the shit
Speaker 1: out of me. I almost piss myself. And it's a
Speaker 1: freaking raccoon. I can only imagine what it would be
Speaker 1: like to be standing literally a foot or so away
Speaker 1: in some cases even inches away from something that large,
Speaker 1: with no way to really protect yourself from this thing
Speaker 1: ripping you from limb to limb. But no means saying
Speaker 1: that they are out to kill everybody, or that everything
Speaker 1: is nefarious that comes to Bigfoot. But these things are animals,
Speaker 1: at least in my opinion, they're unpredictable. Animals are unpredictable.
Speaker 1: And if these things are as big as like you said,
Speaker 1: seven eight feet tall, we're talking six eight hundred pounds,
Speaker 1: you stand zero chance if this thing is having a
Speaker 1: bad day and wants to take you out. So absolutely,
Speaker 1: I think your paramedic brain kicked in and said, Gwen,
Speaker 1: pack your shit, we're leaving.
Speaker 4: I don't even fold stuff up, literally just threw it
Speaker 4: in the back of the truck, held it in there.
Speaker 4: We'll like, pulled the gate down and was like I'm out.
Speaker 4: Like I don't even think I stopped for breakfast. I
Speaker 4: left out gone.
Speaker 1: But you've continued to go out and look for these things.
Speaker 1: I think you were out in the woods as a
Speaker 1: matter of fact, over the weekend. I have you had
Speaker 1: other experiences with these things while you've been out looking
Speaker 1: for them.
Speaker 4: I have. Actually, one of my favorite places to go
Speaker 4: is the Aladani National Forest. For lack of better wording,
Speaker 4: I feel like it calls me there. I was out
Speaker 4: there in July. I decided in the middle of the day.
Speaker 4: I know you're not supposed to go walking in the
Speaker 4: woods by yourself, but we know whatever, it's the middle
Speaker 4: of the day. So I took a trek through the woods.
Speaker 4: I went maybe about a mile. I wasn't really hearing anything.
Speaker 4: And I love to take pictures of nature. You've probably
Speaker 4: seen my nine thousand moonshots because I love the moon,
Speaker 4: anything in the sky. Just like you. I'm usually always
Speaker 4: looking up as I just love a good crisp, clear
Speaker 4: night sky and see all the stars and it's just beautiful. Well,
Speaker 4: I'm standing out there and I find a flumming bird
Speaker 4: pulling apart a caddie ninetail. So I'm like, for more
Speaker 4: than forty minutes, I'm standing there with a video camera
Speaker 4: and I'm tying to get pictures of this damn hummingbird,
Speaker 4: which is ridiculous, by the way, I have an hour's
Speaker 4: worth a video and I have no clear image of
Speaker 4: a huntingbird. But I'm standing there and I'm filming this hummingbird,
Speaker 4: and I hear something shuffle to my left, like in
Speaker 4: front of me, but a little to the left. It
Speaker 4: had that sound like somebody's just getting a better vantage point,
Speaker 4: trying to watch you better. So I'm filming the hummingbird,
Speaker 4: but I'm watching over here because I'm like, what the
Speaker 4: hell is that? I filmed probably fifteen minutes more, and
Speaker 4: you can hear me on the video go, something just
Speaker 4: moved on to this well whispering thing. It's not gonna
Speaker 4: hear me, right, And then I decide, Okay, I've had enough.
Speaker 4: I'm now uncomfortable. I'm just going to go. I'm just
Speaker 4: going to walk back to camp. Then I found this
Speaker 4: tree that was down that was torn completely apart. It
Speaker 4: would drip down, it was across the ground, and it
Speaker 4: was just annihilated this tree. And I was like, what
Speaker 4: the hell. It wasn't lightning because there was no burn
Speaker 4: marks anywhere on this tree. It was just something ripped
Speaker 4: this tree down. So I'm snapping photos and don't know
Speaker 4: a bunch of stuff. I feel like I'm still being observed. Okay,
Speaker 4: I'm going to get back up to the path. I'm
Speaker 4: going to walk back to camp. I walk back, I
Speaker 4: sit in my chair. There's an elderly couple across from
Speaker 4: me sitting outside their camper. We're looking at each other.
Speaker 4: You ever get that feeling like you're watching TV and
Speaker 4: somebody walks in but you haven't seen them yet. It
Speaker 4: just the energy in the room changes. While I'm sitting there.
Speaker 4: It was like somebody entered the room, but you couldn't
Speaker 4: see who they were yet. It just had that weird
Speaker 4: vibe that came across the whole campsite. The guy was
Speaker 4: staring at me, sitting across from me. I yelled, do
Speaker 4: you ever get the feeling like somebody just walked into
Speaker 4: the room? He goes, yes, because somebody just walked into
Speaker 4: the room. I think somebody followed you back here. I
Speaker 4: was like, okay, so there was a couple of tree knocks,
Speaker 4: but nothing ever happened. But who's that weird? I was like,
Speaker 4: I probably shouldn't have went into the woods by myself,
Speaker 4: but I'm a big tough girl.
Speaker 1: And you made it out alive. I went on a
Speaker 1: hike by myself yesterday. I didn't go a mile, but
Speaker 1: I went quite a ways into our woods. I took
Speaker 1: the dogs with me, but I've had that feeling here
Speaker 1: on our property a couple of times where I'm just out,
Speaker 1: not even that far into the woods during summer.
Speaker 3: People are gonna think this is crazy.
Speaker 1: I've talked about it before, but I like to pan
Speaker 1: for gold on our property. We have creaks out property.
Speaker 1: It's just one of the things I like to do.
Speaker 1: I've never found anything. There's probably not any gold on
Speaker 1: the property. I'm not gonna get rich, but I enjoyed.
Speaker 1: I like the gold Rush Show and that kind of stuff.
Speaker 1: It's just a thing with treasure hunts. But I was
Speaker 1: doing that last summer and I wasn't very far into
Speaker 1: the woods, but I just had this feeling that I
Speaker 1: was being watched.
Speaker 3: I've said it before.
Speaker 1: It might have been a squirrel, who knows, it could
Speaker 1: have been a big cat, could have been a mountain
Speaker 1: lion or something. I don't know, but you know that
Speaker 1: you have that sixth sense that tells you I'm not alone.
Speaker 1: And I've had that feeling a couple of times here.
Speaker 1: It's a palpable thing. Like you said, it's very much
Speaker 1: like when I've compared it to being at a party
Speaker 1: or being in a room and somebody staring directly at
Speaker 1: you while you're looking at them. Yeah, you feel it
Speaker 1: and you eventually look at him. It's scientifically proven. They've
Speaker 1: done science experiments improven. That's a thing, right. I hear
Speaker 1: that so often when it comes to Bigfoot encounters and
Speaker 1: experiences that people have, and I've experienced it myself. Let's
Speaker 1: talk a little bit about the camps when it comes
Speaker 1: to Bigfoot. You and I haven't really had this conversation.
Speaker 1: Now's a perfect time to have it. I know you've
Speaker 1: very open minded. You obviously were a paranormal investigated before
Speaker 1: you got into Bigfoot, before you walked into your life. Literally,
Speaker 1: let's talk a little bit about the camps because I
Speaker 1: have struggled so much in my journey with Bigfoot, with
Speaker 1: the flesh and blood versus the high strangeness the WU.
Speaker 1: I tell you now, I have evolved quite a bit
Speaker 1: when it comes to that. A lot of that comes
Speaker 1: from having so many conversations with people about their experiences.
Speaker 1: I can't get into it, obviously, I'm going to.
Speaker 3: Be a little bit of a tease as usual of late.
Speaker 1: But there's some things that have happened to me recently
Speaker 1: that I can't talk about yet that have really scratched
Speaker 1: my head when it comes to that difference of these
Speaker 1: creatures are one hundred percent flesh and blood, there's some
Speaker 1: sort of a relictomonoid. They're just a big ape in
Speaker 1: the woods versus some of the other wild experiences that
Speaker 1: people have, like glowing eyeshine, self illuminating eyes and some
Speaker 1: of these things. Where are you on that journey as
Speaker 1: a researcher. How do you differentiate between those things? Do
Speaker 1: you walk the line between the high strangeness and the
Speaker 1: flesh and blood? How do you approach that when you're
Speaker 1: doing your research, whether it be in the woods, boots
Speaker 1: on the ground, or when you're reading books or doing
Speaker 1: your research in your office at home.
Speaker 4: I actually get asked this quite a bit, I have
Speaker 4: to say, because I try to keep that open mind
Speaker 4: about everything. I would love it to be a flesh
Speaker 4: and blood creature. I'd also love it to come out
Speaker 4: and sit next to the fire with me and toast
Speaker 4: to a beer. But that's not going to happen. Like
Speaker 4: we were talking before with the Ron Morehead theory, if
Speaker 4: you believe in paranormal and you go ghost hunting and
Speaker 4: you've seen apparition or you've seen this or you've had
Speaker 4: this experience or that experience. How does that work? Because
Speaker 4: none of us really know. How does that ghost one
Speaker 4: minute she's standing in front of me, and the next
Speaker 4: minute she just fades away into nothing. How does that happen?
Speaker 4: I don't know. I try to just be open minded,
Speaker 4: and I try to just let the evidence take me
Speaker 4: to the conclusion, which I don't have yet because I
Speaker 4: haven't seen him walk out of a spaceship or out
Speaker 4: of a portal. He certainly hasn't come sat around the
Speaker 4: fire to let me know how this all works. So
Speaker 4: I just try to be open minded. If I can
Speaker 4: believe in paranormal and how those things work, it certainly
Speaker 4: is not a far stretch to be in the WU camp.
Speaker 4: But I'm not in the WU camp. I'm in that
Speaker 4: camp over here by myself, where I just I want
Speaker 4: to know obviously, or I wouldn't be in the woods looking,
Speaker 4: I wouldn't be doing the research that we're doing. But
Speaker 4: at the same time, I'm trying to not post my
Speaker 4: sign in somebody's camp because I don't know if I'm there.
Speaker 4: I want the evidence to say to me, yes, he's
Speaker 4: an alien being. Theos come down and drop him off
Speaker 4: or that he's interdimensional. I would love to see the
Speaker 4: portal open up and Bigfoot come out, and I'd be like, yeah,
Speaker 4: that's how it goes. But I don't know.
Speaker 1: Stay tuned for more Sasquatch out to see. We'll be
Speaker 1: right back after these messages.
Speaker 4: I think he has capabilities that we can't understand. That
Speaker 4: maybe we're not there yet, maybe our minds can't handle
Speaker 4: what his capabilities are. But I think they have capabilities
Speaker 4: that we don't understand. I'm just doing my part to
Speaker 4: try to find out what those capabilities are.
Speaker 1: Let's talk a little bit about the evidence. You mentioned
Speaker 1: Ron Moorehead earlier. I've talked to Ron. I've had him
Speaker 1: on the show a couple of times. I hung out
Speaker 1: with him a couple of years ago here at Encounter
Speaker 1: Quest in North Carolina. Super nice guy, very interesting. The
Speaker 1: Sierra Sounds have always fascinated me. Matter of fact, Wayne
Speaker 1: and I just recorded an episode of that Bigfoot podcast
Speaker 1: today that'll air probably next week.
Speaker 3: As we record this.
Speaker 1: Part of that was looking into a new video that
Speaker 1: Thinker Thunker put out recently on his YouTube channel where
Speaker 1: he's looking at the Sierra Sounds, and he had this
Speaker 1: theory that he had found some evidence that proves beyond
Speaker 1: a shadow of a doubt that at least part of
Speaker 1: the Sierra Sounds could not be made by a human. Okay,
Speaker 1: I don't know how familiar you are with Thinker Thunker.
Speaker 1: I haven't really followed much of what he's done outside
Speaker 1: of the Bigfoot stuff. But Thinker Thunker does a lot
Speaker 1: of Thinker thunkersm whodo. It looks very scientific, but I'm
Speaker 1: not so sure that it is scientific. In a lot
Speaker 1: of cases, he'll stretch things and move things around and
Speaker 1: make it look like he's done that with the Patterson
Speaker 1: Kimblin film and other things in the past. But in
Speaker 1: this video he takes Ron's voice because Ron's clearly in
Speaker 1: the Sierra Sounds whooping and responding to these creatures that
Speaker 1: appear to be trying to communicate with these guys. He
Speaker 1: does decide by side and a spectral analysis. You can
Speaker 1: see the difference in this whoop that's allegedly a Sasquatch
Speaker 1: on the Sierra Sounds versus Ron's voice. Then Thinker Thucker
Speaker 1: does his own whoop of his voice, and he puts
Speaker 1: all three side by side, the two humans him and
Speaker 1: ron are almost identical. They look nothing like this spectral
Speaker 1: analysis of this woop. Then I think it was Charlie Raymond.
Speaker 1: It was posted by the Kentucky Bigfoot Research Organization, so
Speaker 1: I'm assuming Charlie was there. Somebody associated with Charlie Raymond
Speaker 1: caught these vocals like six years ago that Thinker Thucker
Speaker 1: pulled one of the whoops out, and it's very similar
Speaker 1: to what you hear in the Sierra Sounds. The spectral
Speaker 1: analysis is clear that these whoops are something completely different
Speaker 1: than the human voice. They're making two sounds at one time.
Speaker 1: There's a high and a low happening at the same time.
Speaker 1: There is a point in the video where Thinker Thunker
Speaker 1: actually does his best impression, as he puts it, of
Speaker 1: trying to do throat singing.
Speaker 3: If you've ever heard that kind.
Speaker 1: Of lu When people are making or trying to make
Speaker 1: there are people who can succeed in making multiple sounds
Speaker 1: with their voice at the same time, but it's almost
Speaker 1: impossible to do with one set of vocal cords. I
Speaker 1: said all that to say I've made no qualms about it.
Speaker 1: I have had some issue with at least parts of
Speaker 1: the Sierra Sounds because I don't understand how these things
Speaker 1: were seventy five yards away or eighty yards away and
Speaker 1: they sound like they're right on the So there's a
Speaker 1: lot of questions that I've had about the authenticity of
Speaker 1: these things, but it's clear to me the whoops less.
Speaker 1: So now some of the other stuff, like the samurai
Speaker 1: chatter you mentioned earlier. I heard that when I was
Speaker 1: up in Radium, BC, Canada last year with Todd standing.
Speaker 1: We were sitting around the fire and I hear this
Speaker 1: real it's thirty feet away from us, behind us in
Speaker 1: the woods. Three of us heard it. The other guy didn't.
Speaker 1: Bless his heart, he's hard of hearing. Todd was talking,
Speaker 1: but Ashley, Kyle and myself immediately reacted and said, did
Speaker 1: you hear that? Yes, and it's recorded. I have it
Speaker 1: on audio. It's very faint and it's hard to hear
Speaker 1: because Todd was talking over it, but I heard it
Speaker 1: with my own ears. They heard it, so it was
Speaker 1: very samurai chatter like. But here's the thing I have
Speaker 1: an issue with. This is the question for you, where
Speaker 1: are you on the Sierra Sounds. Here's the issue that
Speaker 1: I have. Out of all the vocalizations that have been recorded.
Speaker 1: The Sierra sounds were recorded in the late sixties early seventies.
Speaker 1: We're talking like sixty eight, sixty nine, seventy seventy one ish.
Speaker 1: I have heard nothing outside of the whoops that even
Speaker 1: remotely sounds close to any of the other sounds, the gibberish,
Speaker 1: the samurai chatter, all the crazy things that we hear.
Speaker 1: Where are you on the authenticity of those? Are you
Speaker 1: convinced beyond a shadow of doubt for you that those
Speaker 1: are all real? Or where are you just in general
Speaker 1: on the vocalizations.
Speaker 4: I have also never heard anything like that. When I've
Speaker 4: been in the woods, we haven't heard that. And I'm
Speaker 4: not going to say they didn't hear it because I
Speaker 4: wasn't there, But like you said, they were from a distance.
Speaker 4: But in the audio they sound like they are right there.
Speaker 4: It's loud. You can very clearly hear the samurai chatter,
Speaker 4: so I'll know. But I've never experienced that. One of
Speaker 4: my friends used to come here and her and I
Speaker 4: would camp in the yard because we're crazy. It would
Speaker 4: just be me and her. Mike would be in the house,
Speaker 4: She's in her tent, I'm in my tent. I always
Speaker 4: leave a voice recorder outside recording all night long. The
Speaker 4: one night I woke up in the middle of the
Speaker 4: night and I heard a giggle. I heard it with
Speaker 4: my own ear. I heard this giggle, and I was like, Oh,
Speaker 4: she must be on the phone with her husband or something.
Speaker 4: He probably made her lap and I just rolled over
Speaker 4: in my bag to sleep. So in the morning when
Speaker 4: I wake up, it's about seven thirty and she is
Speaker 4: sitting by the fire, playing with the fire with a stick.
Speaker 4: She says to me, do you talk to your chickens?
Speaker 4: Because we're right outside the chicken coop. Everything that I've
Speaker 4: experienced had been from the other side of the chicken
Speaker 4: coop in the woods. And I'm like, I do talk
Speaker 4: to my chicken And she's what do you say? And
Speaker 4: I said, I say, good morning, ladies. Like I go out,
Speaker 4: I'm feeding them. I'm like, hey girls, the morning ladies.
Speaker 4: What's going on? She said she heard my voice come
Speaker 4: from the chicken coop at five point thirty in the
Speaker 4: morning saying hello ladies. She got out to talk to me,
Speaker 4: thinking I was awake, only I was sound asleep in
Speaker 4: my tent. Now I have the audio from the recorder.
Speaker 4: I caught the giggle and nearly pulled my chair over
Speaker 4: backwards when I heard it because I was like, oh
Speaker 4: my god, it was insane that I got the giggle.
Speaker 4: I stopped right there. I don't know if I got
Speaker 4: my voice. I'm the recorder at five thirty in the morning.
Speaker 4: Because I don't know how to use the software. I'm
Speaker 4: afraid of trying to pull that giggle out and then
Speaker 4: losing everything. So I just stopped and was like, I
Speaker 4: don't know what I'm doing enough with audacity to know
Speaker 4: how to isolate that section, and I'm just afraid of
Speaker 4: losing everything. It's just sitting in there in my computer
Speaker 4: waiting for me to hit the play button so that
Speaker 4: I can finish listening to it. But I didn't want
Speaker 4: to lose where I was when I heard the giggle.
Speaker 4: But the fact that I got the giggle on recording
Speaker 4: was like, Oh my gosh, I nearly died. I could
Speaker 4: have just died. I did hear a giggle and it
Speaker 4: wasn't her because I asked her, were you talking to
Speaker 4: Stephen in the middle of the night, and she was like, no,
Speaker 4: I was sleeping, And I was like, because I've heard
Speaker 4: a giggle, and I did. I did hear a giggle.
Speaker 4: I I've also gotten footsteps and grunt and like heavy
Speaker 4: breathy like we've gotten that, but I've not ever gotten
Speaker 4: any kind of samurai chatter. I would love to, it
Speaker 4: would be amazing.
Speaker 3: I'm really good with audassy.
Speaker 1: That just means you're gonna have to send me the
Speaker 1: audio and we'll get have to get the files out
Speaker 1: so you can have them and see if you get
Speaker 1: that captured. It's the same thing with other pieces of evidence.
Speaker 1: Is there anything obviously You've seen these things twice, so
Speaker 1: you're pretty convinced that they're real. That's something that not
Speaker 1: everybody can say. Are there other pieces of evidence out there,
Speaker 1: whether it be video or maybe audio or photographs that
Speaker 1: you've seen that you do consider to be good pieces
Speaker 1: of evidence that would convince you beyond a reasonable doubt
Speaker 1: that these things are real having had not seen them
Speaker 1: for yourself.
Speaker 4: I'm not really good with photographs, only because I wasn't there,
Speaker 4: and a lot of the time somebody else say, do
Speaker 4: you see that bigfoot in the photo? And I'm looking
Speaker 4: at the photo, I'm like.
Speaker 5: No, I don't see it, or I just go hell, yeah, sure,
Speaker 5: and I don't see what they're seeing, but I just
Speaker 5: take my head and walk away because I don't know.
Speaker 4: I would say the thing that most get me excited
Speaker 4: is footprints, because they're very hard to create the size
Speaker 4: of them. Now. I am friends of Michael Freeman as
Speaker 4: you are. I've acquired some nice artifacts from Michael that
Speaker 4: were his dad's. I just can't help. But there's that hole.
Speaker 4: Was he faking footprints? Was he not faking footprints? I
Speaker 4: don't think he was, simply because I don't think you
Speaker 4: could fake like I have several casts. There's just too
Speaker 4: much detail there for it to be something fake. That
Speaker 4: the way the toes are splayed, and if there's an
Speaker 4: injury on the bottom of the foot. I don't really
Speaker 4: think you could recreate from a piece of wood that
Speaker 4: you're going to strap on your foot and walk around
Speaker 4: in the wilderness. I just don't think it's going to
Speaker 4: be that good. I just think there's a lot of
Speaker 4: footprints out there. Something is making these tracks. We're not
Speaker 4: all crazy. I've cast my own footprints in my backyard.
Speaker 4: I don't know. They are what gets me when somebody
Speaker 4: says I have a I'm like, I want to see it.
Speaker 4: Show it to me. I want to see it. I
Speaker 4: want to look at it. I want to see the
Speaker 4: toast play, I want to see if it's been injured.
Speaker 4: I want to see everything. I want to see everything
Speaker 4: about it. They just get me really excited.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I agree with you.
Speaker 1: I have quite a few casts from Michael that his
Speaker 1: dad took. I've been embroiled in some stuff recently with
Speaker 1: people going back and forth about the Freeman footage and
Speaker 1: the Freeman cast because there are people. There's Paul Harden
Speaker 1: I think is the tracker's name that wrote a book
Speaker 1: and claimed that he went out and investigated one of
Speaker 1: the scenes that Paul had said he had seen a
Speaker 1: family of bigfoot, and he eventually ends up admitting that
Speaker 1: not only did he not see them, but he created
Speaker 1: the foot prints. And there's that Good Morning America interview
Speaker 1: from I think it was nineteen ninety two or so
Speaker 1: where they just flat out to ask him, have you
Speaker 1: ever made fake footprints?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah I have. Oh okay, but these are real. Yeah,
Speaker 1: they're real. That's one of the things that if you
Speaker 1: talk to Michael and you get a little backstory on that,
Speaker 1: it becomes that's a clear picture. Because I said, just
Speaker 1: to some folks recently, Why would he admit that wholeheartedly, nonchalant,
Speaker 1: just never missed a beat.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I've made fake footprints on national television.
Speaker 1: If he was really admitting to faking footprints or all
Speaker 1: the footprints, I think he was saying, yes, I've done
Speaker 1: that in the past, because most people do. I asked
Speaker 1: Wayne the question on that Bigfoot podcast when we were
Speaker 1: talking about it. I said, hey man, you're teaching a
Speaker 1: class at this Ozark Mountain Bigfoot conference that he and
Speaker 1: I are speaking at the end of the month, and
Speaker 1: I said, hey, man, have you made any fake footprints
Speaker 1: to cast since you've been learning how to cast? He's
Speaker 1: apps a freaking lutely tons of them, because that's what
Speaker 1: you do when you're trying to get better at a
Speaker 1: craft or hone a skill. You have to practice that skill.
Speaker 1: How do you practice casting? You have to have something
Speaker 1: to cast, so you make prints and you cast them.
Speaker 1: I think that's what was going on in that interview personally.
Speaker 1: Could Paul Freeman have hoked something over the years everybody
Speaker 1: has the propensive to do those kind of things, do
Speaker 1: I think that, by and large, everything that he produced
Speaker 1: as far as evidence, including his film was hoaxed. Absolutely not.
Speaker 3: I do not.
Speaker 4: I don't either. I'd like to think I'm a good
Speaker 4: judge of character. And although I never met Paul personally
Speaker 4: and he passed away long before a big Foot came
Speaker 4: into my realm of the existence, but his reaction in
Speaker 4: the video is very genuine. Oh there goals, and you
Speaker 4: could just see the excitement, Oh my gosh, Sheley was
Speaker 4: just very genuine. I don't think you would have gotten
Speaker 4: that same kind of the response when he's faking it.
Speaker 4: I don't think so. I think it was legit.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And if you look at the enhanced version of
Speaker 1: the film and you see the baby lift, it takes
Speaker 1: you to a whole different place with the Freeman footage. Look,
Speaker 1: here's the thing that convinced me, at least about the footage,
Speaker 1: that it was one hundred percent genuine and was not faked,
Speaker 1: because some people say it was.
Speaker 3: Dwayne.
Speaker 1: After I became friends with Michael, had a conversation with
Speaker 1: Michael on the show and some of the conversations we've
Speaker 1: had subsequently in person, how excited Paul Freeman was to
Speaker 1: bring that film home after he captured it and share
Speaker 1: it with Michael, who was there and his friend who
Speaker 1: happened to be sleeping over. Michael was like twelve or
Speaker 1: thirteen when this happened. You can fake a lot of things,
Speaker 1: you can even hoax people, but what kind of guy
Speaker 1: would do that to his twelve or thirteen year old son?
Speaker 3: Who would hoax his son?
Speaker 1: Michael told me, he said, Brian, I thought we were
Speaker 1: going to break the damn tape because he just kept
Speaker 1: rewinding it and showing it to us over and over again.
Speaker 1: He was like, Dad, you don't need to break the
Speaker 1: freaking tape because this is important.
Speaker 3: We get it.
Speaker 1: It's exciting, but you need to make sure you preserve
Speaker 1: it because everybody else wants to see it, that even
Speaker 1: of itself, just if people don't have those kind of
Speaker 1: relationships with people.
Speaker 3: And I get it. I never met Paul Freeman, obviously
Speaker 3: very much like you.
Speaker 1: But Michael, to me, is the next best thing to
Speaker 1: judge his dad's character. I don't think that he would
Speaker 1: perpetuate this if he thought for a safe that his
Speaker 1: dad had hoaxed any of that stuff. Let's talk about
Speaker 1: some of the other things you got going on. You
Speaker 1: mentioned it earlier. I know you've got a festival coming up.
Speaker 1: You just had one this year, you got one coming
Speaker 1: up next year. I know you do a business. Let's
Speaker 1: talk about Got Knockers. Let's get into that. Tell everybody
Speaker 1: where they can find the knockers and tell them about
Speaker 1: your festival.
Speaker 4: Got Knockers came out of that BFRO expedition that I
Speaker 4: was on. One of the BFRO guys found this tree
Speaker 4: branch in the woods and he cut it and he
Speaker 4: debarked it. It was supposed to be a joke. Honestly,
Speaker 4: I was like the milk commercial, Got Milk, Got Knockers,
Speaker 4: I said to him. It just immediately came to me
Speaker 4: when I saw these things, and I was like, I'm
Speaker 4: going to make you a shirt when I get home.
Speaker 4: And I did. I came home and I created it
Speaker 4: and made it in this shirt and I mailed it
Speaker 4: to him.
Speaker 1: And stay tuned for more Sasquatch out to see.
Speaker 3: We'll be right back. After these messages.
Speaker 4: He said to me, I got this email back right away.
Speaker 4: You have to trademark this right now. And I was like, what,
Speaker 4: You're not trademarking that? Are you out of your mind?
Speaker 4: It isn't supposed to be a joke. People are going
Speaker 4: to think I'm a nutcase Dot knockers. Obviously it's got
Speaker 4: other connotations, right. I was like, I'm not trademarking this,
Speaker 4: and I sat on it for good six months. I
Speaker 4: kept researching and doing my bigfoot thing. After a while,
Speaker 4: I was like, you know what, I'm just gonna do it.
Speaker 4: I'm just going to jump through the doblement wormhole on trademarks.
Speaker 4: And I did it. It's been an experience. Some people
Speaker 4: get it, some people don't. You can get them on
Speaker 4: got knockers dot org because we sell t shirts, hats, cups,
Speaker 4: coffee cups are going to be going up very soon.
Speaker 4: Of course we sell dot Knocker's logo on them.
Speaker 1: They're awesome, Yes they are. I have seen them in person.
Speaker 1: I can vouch for your knockers. Your knockers are fantastic.
Speaker 1: So what about this festival. Let's talk about the festival.
Speaker 1: I know you just had it this year, but you
Speaker 1: got it coming up next year. Tell everybody about that,
Speaker 1: where it is, where they can find out about it,
Speaker 1: and where they can go and get their tickets.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 4: Yes, we have the Central PA Bigfoot Encrypted Festival, which
Speaker 4: is in alien Burke, Pennsylvania. Last year was our second
Speaker 4: year and we ballooned from twenty eight vendors to one
Speaker 4: hundred and ten vendors and five thousand to seventy five
Speaker 4: hundred people for one day event, and it's outside, so
Speaker 4: it's crazy. This next year we're probably going to be
Speaker 4: looking at close to two hundred vendors, and of course
Speaker 4: you're coming, which I'm super stoked about. We've got one
Speaker 4: hell of a lineup. I don't know how I'm ever
Speaker 4: going to beat this next year coming up. I'm already
Speaker 4: freaking out. RPG is coming, Daniel Lee Barnett's coming from
Speaker 4: the UK. He's going to be speaking. Amy Boo is coming,
Speaker 4: Ronnie LeBlanc is coming, one of my fellow researchers from
Speaker 4: North Carolina is coming. Terry Windell. You would love him
Speaker 4: because I love you and I love Terry and we
Speaker 4: would all mesh so well together. He's coming. We have
Speaker 4: so many surprises in store or best all. It has
Speaker 4: taken on a complete and total beast of itself and
Speaker 4: panicking inside because I really wanted to go off without
Speaker 4: a hitch. I have the ourhouse line up, the speakers,
Speaker 4: and I'm so excited. You can buy ticket to the event,
Speaker 4: you can sign up to be a vendor, you can
Speaker 4: sign up to be a sponsor, all on the same website.
Speaker 4: It's Central Ka Big Butt and you can find everything there.
Speaker 4: This year we're gonna have indoor spaces which are limited
Speaker 4: in number, So if you want to be a vendor
Speaker 4: and you want an indoor space, you need to get
Speaker 4: on it. They are going fast.
Speaker 1: I only have fifty and we'll make it easy for everybody.
Speaker 1: You can get your knockers and you can get your
Speaker 1: tickets right here in the show notes. All you got
Speaker 1: to do is click the links, go and get them now.
Speaker 1: When thank you so much for coming on the show
Speaker 1: and spending some time with me. I've been looking forward
Speaker 1: to this as always. It has been a blast.
Speaker 4: It's always the blast when you and I are together.
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