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Speaker 2: Matthew, okay, okay, Welcome. This is the longest running independent

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Eastern Time. And Ethan, Welcome to the longest running upended

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Speaker 4: Good evening, gentlemen. As always happy to be on with you,

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guys talking all things ACC.

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Speaker 3: We're happy to have you back. We're happy to have

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you back. Man.

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Speaker 2: So tell us tell us about yourself, Ethan, if there's

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anything that you'd like to play, you know, anything that

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you want to tell us about yourself, our listeners, anything

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that you want to plug. Hey give you a pretty

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long rundown here at the beginning of the show. But

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if there's any special features that you're working on on

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the show, anything any new content coming for basketball season,

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let us know the four is yours.

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Speaker 4: Well, thanks guys. Yeah, So Louisville basketball season kicks off

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in earnest or tips off rather tomorrow night at nine

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o'clock on the ACC network. I will have the first

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official game postgame show at about midnight Tuesday morning after

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that game goes final as the Cards host South Carolina State.

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So looking forward to that. And again, like you said, now,

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our show, Louisville Sports Live, is the city's longest running

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all UFL sports talk show in Louisville, and we're on

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most of the time. We're on at seven, but during

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the basketball and football seasons at times we might be

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moved to eight o'clock because a lot of the times

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the Jeff Bram Show is It's seven o'clock. So I

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believe this week we'll be on it eight again because

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the Coach Bromshow will be on It's seven this Wednesday.

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Speaker 3: Awesome. Awesome. So let's get right to it, man, which

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ACC football team was the most disappointing team in week ten?

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By which which ACC team was the most impressive team? Slip?

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Speaker 4: It's okay, So I mean I can give you both.

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I mean, the most disappointing team in the ACC has

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to be Clemson, right, I mean, they're three and five,

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they're flirting with a losing record overall. You gave up

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forty forty six points to Duke, and Duke looks to

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be a solid team, but they're nothing great and they

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go into Death Valley and just score at will on them.

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I mean, I think certainly. Now I saw on social

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media that that infamous Debo press conference is being played

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at nauseum talking about you know, y'all get tired of

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win and you can run me out of here. And

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they're not doing a lot of winning this year three

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and we'll find out if Clemson is quit. It kind

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of looks like they have to be honest with you,

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it looks like they have quit. But we'll see what

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happens there. The most disappointing team has to be it

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has to be Clemson, and the most impressive team I'm

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gonna go with SMU. I mean, when they suffered the

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first two early losses against Big twelve teams, a lot

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of us rode them off, myself included, certainly. Don't think

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they are as good as they were last year. But certainly,

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you know, coming from my Louisville Cardinals background, I have

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that game on November twenty second. I mean that's going

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to be a huge game potentially for Charlotte, for Louisville,

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and potentially maybe SMU, So that could be an elimination game.

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be the most celebrated as they knocked off number ten Miami.

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looks like Kevin Jennings and company are starting to get

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things rolling just at the right time.

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Speaker 3: Excellent takes. Excellent take, excellent takes. Yeah, you're up brand.

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Speaker 1: All right, Ethan. As we look ahead to next week,

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what ACC football game games are you looking forward to

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the most in this upcoming week?

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Speaker 4: Man, you know, guys, you already know. I have to

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go with my with my squad. California comes to town

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seven o'clock kickoff on ESPN two. Lowell's now number fourteen

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in the nation. The Golden Bears lost, you know, a

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close game to Virginia, and man, they I think Virginia

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must be the, if not the luckiest, one of the

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luckiest teams in the nation, just with everything they flirt

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with losses. Of course, they stunned my Louisville Cardinals a

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few weeks ago. You know, it's a three point game.

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Cal had the ball, uh you know, driving they throw

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a throw an interception and not only was it an

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interception to steal the game, uh uva ran it in

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and had a lot of people, including me lose their

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Cal Plus plus money bets. So Plus points me in

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their bets there, but Louisville Cal. Again, Louisville has to

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win every single game remanding on their schedule if they

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want to make it to Charlotte. Certainly they look to

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they should be able to take care of business against

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the Golden Bears. I do think that jet lag is real.

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Pacific time. Still, all that travel has to be taxing

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on your body, even if you are a top flight

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Power Conference athlete. I still think there there is something

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to say to get over that hunt Cal is not

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the same team on the road as they are at home.

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This game would this game would scare me, kind of

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like the Virginia Tech game scared me going in last night.

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But this game is at home, so I'm confident that

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the Cards are going to be able to pull it

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out and improve the eight and one, and again, just

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just if they can win and take care of business,

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Charlotte would be a possibility.

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Speaker 1: All right, Very good Ethan, Which acc team could be

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on upset alert in week eleven if they're looking ahead

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to a game on their schedule or otherwise just sleepwalking

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Speaker 4: Man, that's such a good question. I'm going to I'm

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going to go back to Clemson. I mentioned it earlier.

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Florida State travels to Death Valley. It's going to be

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a night game, and you know, we'll find out if

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Clemson has given up on the season. Of course, Florida

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State got a nice win overweight Forest by Way at

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forty two to seven. Looks like Florida State has not

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quit on their coach. You saw Dabbo getting in his

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d and listen, his defense deserved a tongue lashing. They

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were terrible. I mean they were like a sieve, giving

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up so many points. It was embarrassing. So they deserved

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the tongue lashing they got from their coach. But we'll

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find out if they've if they've given up. There's not

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a whole lot to play for. I mean, Clemson was,

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you know, a consensus pick to win the ACC and

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to go back to the playoff, And like I said earlier,

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now there's question if they're going to get going to

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have a winning season. So I think that they're certainly

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on upset alert. You know, if Duke can go in

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there and be Clemson Florida State camp, perhaps perhaps maybe

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Florida State thinks now that they got a nice win

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against Wake Forest, that they could salvage their season by

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winning out. Florida State. Schedule is pretty manageable. You know,

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if you can beat Alabama, you pretty much can beat

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the rest of your remaining opponents on your slates. So

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perhaps maybe they're weren't going to use this as a

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springboard to finish their season off on a five game

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win streak. So Clemson, for me, guys would be that

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team on upset alert for sure.

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Speaker 1: All Right, even let's step out of the ACC for

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a bit here. Which National FBS game or FCS game

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are you looking forward to the most in Week eleven?

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a power for G five game. You can even have

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an FCS matchup and again give us the winner of

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that game or two that's caught your eye nationally.

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Speaker 4: So on Friday night it is going to be Tulane

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traveling to Houston. I'm sorry to Memphis, excuse me. And

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if you talk about the group of five potentially making

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a playoff, it's going to come more than likely from

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the American unless there's chaos and Susan JM. You continue

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used to win out. But Tulane at Memphis. For me,

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Memphis is favored by six and a half. Certainly, if

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Tulane loses a game that they're out, it looks like

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they're on the outside looking in already. But that could

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be a you know, a final dagger for Tulane. And

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then also too, Texas A and M travels to Missouri.

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Number three aggies up against the number nineteen Missouri Tigers.

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a challenger for the national championship. But they also have,

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you know, they have a stern test in Colombia, and

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that's again that's like most teams, you know, this is

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anything crazy, but playing at home, Missouri is a much

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better team than on the road. And then while Texas

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very very good team, chaousin sews would be I would

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be stunned if A and M runs through their s

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SEC slate undefeated.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I'm also you know, looking at b YU and

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Texas Tech top ten match. Yeah yeah, I mean that's

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beginning of the year had you know, Indiana going to

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two games that aren't even on anyone's radar because of

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that's one of the definite top games of the weekend

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with major playoff implications, you know, not only for them,

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but you could end up with a one loss b

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YU team and a one lost Texas Tech team and

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how that that could even affect you know, some of

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the ACC teams that are instill in playoff contention. So

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that's going to be a fun one and one I

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think Texas Tech is going to take care of business

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against b Yu's gonna be a guy.

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Speaker 4: Guys. I don't even know how I missed that game.

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The get in price for this one four hundred and

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sixty five dollars, So that is a must have ticket

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down there and love it ridiculous.

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Speaker 3: I I I act, guys, I actually think Wake is

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going to be a tricky opponent at U b A.

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Speaker 4: I do too.

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Speaker 3: I mean it's they've been playing much better the last

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few weeks. The last few weeks, they seem like they

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seem like they've been more disciplined every week. And you

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wonder how much longer a way do you walk and

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can get you know, like you said, like you said,

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you think can be it can charm aba. They seem

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you know, so it'll be. It'll be interesting interesting for

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me to see how how how that one plays out,

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how that one plays out, because what Wakes has sense.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, the Demon Deacons really turned it around. I thought

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after they had beat Kennessall State by one point, I

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thought Wake Forrest was headed to like a two to

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ten type of season. That's not the case. That's not

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the case. As a coach, Dickert, I believe he's done

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a really good job. Man. He looks like Wake is

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probably gonna make a bowl game and they could play spoiler.

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I don't disagree with you at all, right there. I

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certainly think that, you know, Virginia again has been flirting

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with a loss for weeks. Credit to them though, they're

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making the plays and finding a way to win. But

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I do think they're gonna slip up here soon, you know.

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road more so than it would be at home. But

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you never know. But yeah, I wouldn't be I wouldn't

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be sad at all. The Demon Deacons find a way

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the game I kind of agree with even I think

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like an upset was more likely. Virginia actually showed me

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a lot by going out west and knocking off California,

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and I thought that was a prime upset spot. I

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feel like they'll be able to handle wake forces and

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that game at Duke, I think it is going to

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be an extremely dangerous one for Virginia. That offense, and

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and you know we've already Anthan's already mentioned. You know

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they went into to Clemson, and Clemson, you know they've

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got talent on that defense that they might be terribly

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coached at the moment, but I mean there's talent on

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that defense. And uh, you know that that offense with

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with the deep ball at Dari and Mensa, it's shredded

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Clemson's defense to pieces. And you know, player for player,

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we know there's NFL players on on Clemson squad. I mean,

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Duke looked just as fast at most positions.

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they've had a bad series of games with Duke.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean that's a really that's a really good

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that's a really good point. I mean, I mean they

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could be looking at Duke, you know as as that

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game that they're they're really iron on, especially wake Forest

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had had been playing well and really got thumped down

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in Tallahassee. But I mean, Duke, that that offense is

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one of the most explosive in the A c C.

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know in the conference over the last four or five uh,

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over the last four five weeks. And yeah, if Virginia

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can get by wake Forest, man, that that's that one's

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gonna feel like an upset. Upset especially and of course

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it's the rivalry game. And we all know about the

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Commonwealth Cup record with Virginia Tech and Virginia. So yeah,

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Virginia right now, you know they're taking care of business

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getting the wins. Uh, but they still got a lot

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going up ahead of them that before we can put

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them in, before we can put them in Charlotte. All right, Ethan.

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Our last two segments of the podcast are open mic segments.

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The first one here is just for you. Whatever you

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want to talk about, whatever's on your mind, whether it

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be something with Louisville, the ACC or national, We'll let

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you go whenever you're ready.

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Speaker 4: Guys, it's got to be for me. The ridiculous buyouts

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that these fired coaches are getting. I don't know how

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we're going to stop this, but it needs to be stopped.

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I don't know if there has if there can be

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like a universal understanding, some legislation from the nc DOUBLEA, whatever,

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that's that's pie in the sky. Wish we're thinking if

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the NCAA does anything meaningful. But you know, you have

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forty thirty fifty million dollar buyouts for being fired for

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not doing your job well enough. I mean, I'm not

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saying even like the day you fire them, they don't

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get his penny. I'm not even saying that. Perhaps you

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pay them throughout the end of the calendar year or

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the end of the fiscal year or something, but you

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do not need to pay these coaches two, three, four,

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five years down the road when they're not even working.

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Like I don't know, I mean, I don't know how

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this is how this had all started to begin with.

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But it is totally out of control, you know. And

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again I don't feel sorry for any coach that gets

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fired because they're going to be you know, they're making

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generational wealth by not working. So it is a high stakes,

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high rewards job. Certainly there's a lot of pressure. Certainly

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you should be compensated well, but if you're fired, you

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should not be getting years upon years after the fact

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when you were dismissed, maybe to the maybe to December

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thirty first, maybe to June thirty of the following year,

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but that should be it.

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Speaker 1: And no kidding Ethan, these buyouts are insane. And another

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coach got fired today, You Freeze, and they're ruthless in

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the in the sec though, I think you know, you

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Freeze was really struggling there at Auburn and that kind

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of that proud program is really a mess right now.

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But man, across the country that there is like a

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hatchet man going across major college footballs and mail and

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coaches one after the other and coordinators and uh, you know,

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if you're not getting the head coach, the coordinators are

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getting it. This has been a this has been a

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blood bath this this October with coaches getting fired.

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Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I mean, and I understand, like listen, it's

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win now and there is no like we need a

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three or four year plan. No, not with it, not

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in the age of the portal, not in the age

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of nil. You need to win, and you need to

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win now. And if you don't, it's like the NFL,

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except it's going to be earlier in the season. I mean,

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you know, coach Private Virginia take what was that after

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week three? But yeah, if you're not winning, see you.

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But just because you got fired again, you should you

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should not get everything owed to you as if you

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were working there. You got fired because you didn't do

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you didn't do your job up to the expectation when

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you were first brought in. If they gave Priye his

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salary to the end of the Year December thirty. First, Okay,

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like that is you could argue that would be reasonable.

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And again, because it's such a high stakes, high stress job.

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Sure you're well compensated for the job that you do,

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and you're well compensated if you get if you get removed,

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like if you get some put a severance, But the

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vast majority of employers out here, if you get fired,

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you're not getting your salary, you know, two weeks, two

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months after the fact, let alone years. So we've kind

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of been able to rein that in. But again too,

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it's like, well, why would you do that? If other

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schools are willing to do that, then that's not going

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to help you in negotiating a new contract for a

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new coach.

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Speaker 1: Yep, yeah, absolutely all right, Matthew, I'm going to turn

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it over to you for a final segment in the podcast.

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Speaker 3: I'm going to use my open microphone segment to ask

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a question, so you're actually going to have two open

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my two open microphones here, Ethan Moore. My first question

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then for you, or my only question is is Mario

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Crystal Wall Is he somebody who does less with more

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than any body in the ACC. I bring that to you.

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Speaker 4: Ethan, that's a great question, and it's it's an easily

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answered one, yes, without a doubt. And we're talking about

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coaches buyouts and nil Carson Beck was what making a

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report of four million dollars a year? Are you kidding me?

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he's thrown over the last three weeks, I mean, that

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is that is ridiculous, and I'm sure the Miami's donors

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aren't aren't very happy with that. I mean, listen, he

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should be well compensated because he agreed to play there

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for X amount, But if you were, you know, being

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loose with the ball and turning it over at the

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rate that he is, I mean, his talary's got to

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get checked as well, because he's not earning that four

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million dollar mark. Yeah. And then Mario Christapal, I mean,

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he's a good coach, but like once again, you know,

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you had the great win over Notre Dame, had a

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very impressive win over South Florida. You beat Florida soundly,

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and then you know, Louisville laid out the blueprint on

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and how to win. They played a fantastic game down

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there in Coral Gables, a few weeks ago, flustered Carson

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Beck and now he hasn't really been able to get

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out of his own way. He had a better game

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against Stanford, but I mean most people do against the Cardinal,

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but then you know, I had that just brutal turnover

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and overtime that interception there, and when you get paid,

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just like a coach, Guys, if you're a player, now

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you're a professional athlete in college at the Power conference level,

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you're expected to perform. And if you're making seven figures,

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well into the seven figures, you know, if you don't,

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you're gonna get criticism. I mean, if that continues, I mean,

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you can make the argument that christ of ball should

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go with somebody else, but I think that's kind of

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like it's kind of like a sample of his team.

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He's a good coach. Miami has been good. But when

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you when you when you talk about the payroll that

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they have good should be great, and they're not.

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Speaker 3: This is what I want to hear. Okay, I'm gonna

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turn you over. If you have another open if you

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have another open micropunt segment, since.

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Speaker 4: You have, well I can tell you, I can tell

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you this as well. We're gonna have to get We're

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gonna have to get ahold of these coaches buyouts, and

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we're gonna have to have again I don't know how

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you do, but we're gonna have to really reel in

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to a degree, like how how these student athletes make money?

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Because you still have the collectives, which I like, the

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five O two circle at u of L has been fantastic.

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They're innovative, they're they're cutting edge on things. Now you

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have the revenue share. But then you know, our our rival,

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the team up the road in basketball, their salary for

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their roster is twenty two million. I mean again, I

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want these I want these young men and young women

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to certainly make money that you know, the NCAA has

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not done them justice for decades prior to this, but

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like twenty two million for eight months collectively, Like, I mean,

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you know, what are we doing here? Again? I can listen,

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I can hear both sides of the argument. If the

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school is willing to pay them and the market demands that, sure,

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but like, if this is not going to be sustainable,

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I mean it's simply not. You're not going to be

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able to ask at the vast majority of para conference schools.

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You're not going to be able to ask your big

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time donors for years after years after years. Can we,

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you know, can we get another seven figure donation, especially

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like if you're missing the mark. Now, if you're doing

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that and you're making the college football playoff and you're

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making a Final four, Okay, that's a little different, but

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that's twelve teams out of one hundred and thirty six

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and that's four teams out of three hundred and sixty five.

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So you know, that's a very small percentage of teams,

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you know, being that successful. So you know, is is

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the genie out of the bottle? Yes? But to what

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degree can both of these you know, line items be limited,

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because I think if they can be, you're going to

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have even more parody. And again I'm not saying you

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have to, you know, really extremely decrease it. Now. I

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think you should for the coach's salaries in the buyouts,

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but in terms of nil for the players, let's streamline

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it a little bit. Let's that's kind of let's have

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a little bit more contractual language in these and these

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interactions to whereas you know, if you're going to sign

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in an IO deal, can it be two years. You

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know what I mean? Are you bound by this? Do

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you have to do X, Y and z? Is it

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statistics related? You know things like that. I think, you know,

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the more streamlined that can be, the better, the better.

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But you know, as it stands right now, I mean,

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you know, these college basketball college football rosters, I mean

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the percentage with which they are growing from year to year,

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it's just not going to be sustainable for much longer.

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Speaker 3: Amen, brother, Amen, Jap you're.

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Speaker 1: Guys. College basketball starts tomorrow, there's a slew of ACC games.

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You got Duke playing Texas on Tuesday night. So I

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know Matthew and I have talked about this. We consider

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this the best time of the year with when you

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got the college football and college basketball going on at

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the at the same time. Yeah, it should be a

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wild month of November. You know. In the a c C.

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I think there's you got Virginia undefeated in the league,

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and then five other teams if I'm not mistaken, with

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one one loss. Let me pull that up right now.

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We'll go through who has the one loss and still

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has a chance to get to to Charlotte. Here, you

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got Georgia Tech, uh five and one in the league

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after that upset against NC State last night where you know,

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you know that one, that one hurt me. But you know, big, big,

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big respect to to NC State in that one. You know,

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down justin Jolly and Hollywood's mothers, their top two offensive

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players and just coming out with a great grilling plan

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on Georgia Tech as defense just just shredded it to

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pieces the entire night. C. J. Bailey look like, you know,

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look like you looked like Lamar Jackson from and you

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know in that one. That's that's how well he played

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and and how poorly Georgia Tech's defense played. But they're

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still in the thick of the A C C race.

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You got Pittsburgh five and one in league, really playing

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well lately in Georgia Tech and played Georgia Tech, and

477
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Pittsburgh played later in the year Louisville four and one,

478
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of course, right in the mix s m U four

479
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and one after knocking off uh Miami Duke four and one.

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After that, you know, heart stop and win down at

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down at Clemson and going for two on that final

482
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two point conversion in Miami. You know, maybe they're not

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mathematically out as two and two, but they're definitely on

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the outside looking in, and I mean that that's that's

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a lot of teams who still have a lot to

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play for in November. So you know, between that and

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college football starting, it's it's gonna be a great November.

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Speaker 3: Amen, brother.

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean I think too. If you're talking guys

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about the ACC football product overall, I mean it might

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not be as you know, eye popping and eye catching

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as the sec of their Big ten, but you talk

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about in terms of drama and storylines. I mean, all

494
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those teams you mentioned with one loss, or you know,

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Virginia who is undefeated but kind of not really in

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the ACC. That makes for great television, great drama at

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the end of this month. I mean, you have a

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wide open race outside right now if u v A,

499
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if uv A loses a game, I mean, look out,

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you're you're going to have I mean you very well

501
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could be with that third weekend in November and we

502
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still might not have the ACC matchup set. I mean

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that this is what this is all about. I mean,

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talk about high stakes games, high stakes you know, drama

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going on before you find out who makes it to Charlotte.

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I mean, it's it's it's all great. It's it's going

507
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to be much much wash TV, even if it's not

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the traditional powers like in the SEC or the Big Ten.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you're absolutely right, Ethan. I mean those those games,

510
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you know they're going to have you know, national implications

511
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because someone or maybe a second ACC team is going

512
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to get into the playoffs. So I mean that's a

513
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lot of teams who still have a chance to not

514
00:31:36,279 --> 00:31:39,200
only get to Charlotte, but find themselves, you know, in

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a position to to be in the College Football Playoff.

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You know, I think this is this is great for

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00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:48,559
college football, it's great for the ACC. For so many

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teams to still have a chance doesn't mean I think

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the the playoff should expand any further than what it is.

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That might be a topic for another day. And I

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definitely not in favor. And that brings it to one

522
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more point. I'm definitely still not in favor of AQ bids,

523
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you know, at max, I think when all is said

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and done, we'll see how it turns out. But you

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know this, this does not mean the ACC deserves you know,

526
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:20,440
four AQ bids or anything like that. You know, that's

527
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proposal Big Ten. You know, they keep just throwing things

528
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,079
out there. And seeing if they're stick. I think one

529
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of them, the last one was four four and four

530
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and they had their four AQ bids. You know where

531
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they kept pushing and I mean, you look at the

532
00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:37,599
Big Ten this year and you know Indiana, Ohio State

533
00:32:37,759 --> 00:32:42,519
for sure, Oregon. Yeah, at this point, but if they

534
00:32:42,519 --> 00:32:46,000
take a second loss, I mean, that's not necessarily a

535
00:32:46,000 --> 00:32:49,079
playoff team. I mean you look at their resume. They

536
00:32:49,119 --> 00:32:54,400
have a I would say not very high quality win,

537
00:32:54,519 --> 00:32:56,680
which is their best one at Penn State after we've

538
00:32:56,680 --> 00:32:59,119
seen them, and then they lost it home to Indiana,

539
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So you know, all of this AQ bid, I mean,

540
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I'm in favor just leaving it as it is, but

541
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we'll never go back to the bowl system. And I

542
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think again, the season's proving it out. I'd like to

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see it stay the same.

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Speaker 3: Ethan one question before we go. Yes, I feel that

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ACC men's basketball is going to be much better than

546
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it was last year. And I don't want to quite

547
00:33:33,680 --> 00:33:37,400
say this yet, but I feel that we're getting close

548
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,599
to a point where if you get a five hundred

549
00:33:39,640 --> 00:33:43,559
record in conference, you're going to be pretty much in

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the picture for an NCAA bid. I feel like we're

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getting back to that level. And I say that, I

552
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mean everybody knew that. I think everybody knew at the

553
00:33:51,519 --> 00:33:54,279
start of the season that Louibll, you know, Virginia and

554
00:33:54,359 --> 00:33:57,799
Duke would be pretty good. But it's these latter two, right,

555
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:01,480
Virginia and Virginia Tech the CommonWell schools are getting better

556
00:34:01,599 --> 00:34:03,440
right here in this state and that and that had

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00:34:03,480 --> 00:34:06,000
to happen for ACC basketball to get better. I think

558
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we knew that the Carolina schools, we knew NC State

559
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would get. We knew North Carolina probably begin we do

560
00:34:10,880 --> 00:34:12,920
do it would be good. But you had to have

561
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had had to have other schools that part of part

562
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of that package to be better. The fact that Virginia

563
00:34:18,159 --> 00:34:22,960
Tech actually has a lottery pick on its team is

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nothing sort of remarkable for me. Are we are we

565
00:34:26,519 --> 00:34:30,280
on the same page because I'm feeling as I'm feeling

566
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a sort of enthusiasm. I haven't.

567
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Speaker 4: No, I certainly think you're onto something. Again. The ACC

568
00:34:37,519 --> 00:34:40,280
last year had just four teams in the tournament. That's pathetic.

569
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And you know, I think the league office has done

570
00:34:44,880 --> 00:34:47,559
as much as they can with the eighteen game schedule

571
00:34:47,679 --> 00:34:51,480
and to encourage you know, higher, higher profile non conference

572
00:34:51,519 --> 00:34:55,079
games that's exactly what Louisville has done this year. I mean, guys,

573
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we play our the team up the road on November eleventh,

574
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We've got a neutral psyche game with Cincinnati. It's in Cincinnati,

575
00:35:02,639 --> 00:35:05,920
been not on their home floor. In February we play

576
00:35:06,159 --> 00:35:13,199
Baylor at a neutral site and Dicky's Arena. It's in

577
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Fort Worth, I believe. And then of course we've got Arkansas, Tennessee,

578
00:35:18,039 --> 00:35:22,880
Indiana as well Memphis. So Louisville certainly on their side,

579
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is scheduling much tougher. And then too, I do think Miami,

580
00:35:28,920 --> 00:35:32,239
certainly Virginia. I really like the coaching high that they

581
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:34,840
made there as well. And I think you're gonna have

582
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teams on the fringe like like a Virginia Tech. They

583
00:35:38,239 --> 00:35:39,960
can make some noise. I think we're going to be

584
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closer to that. I wouldn't be stunned off the ACC

585
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:45,519
got seven or eight teams in the Big Dance this year.

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Speaker 3: Amen. Amen, that's a good note to close Ethan.

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Speaker 2: Thank you so much for spending your Sunday night with

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us in the All Fours Discussion ACC podcasts.

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Speaker 3: We really appreciate you coming on the show and we

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00:35:58,400 --> 00:35:59,760
love it had you come on the show again.

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Speaker 4: Facts sands like I'm playing guys. I appreciate it as well.

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You'll have a good week.

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Speaker 3: Have a great week, guys. Take care,