Speaker 1: Golf Smarter number four hundred and fifty four.
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Speaker 3: So the favor of the slicer, why do they slice?
Speaker 3: Are you going to get a difference of opinion? Some
Speaker 3: people would say, well, I'm hitting across the ball, that's
Speaker 3: going to slice. Well, in reality, the face of the
Speaker 3: golf club, if it's open to the swing pack, the
Speaker 3: ball will fade. You are actually hitting at a glance
Speaker 3: in blow. So that's what causes a slide.
Speaker 4: People don't understand that.
Speaker 3: Let me tell you. The ball slice is when the
Speaker 3: space is owned. So just get your mind wrapped around.
Speaker 3: It's about the club plase.
Speaker 4: So if the face is open, you.
Speaker 3: Will align your arms and your shoulders to the left
Speaker 3: to compensate fall out slide. When you align your arms
Speaker 3: and shoulders to the left, you will produce an outside
Speaker 3: in swing. So it's like walk came to the chicken
Speaker 3: of the egg. Well, on day one you hit with
Speaker 3: the face open the balf slide. So you learn over
Speaker 3: a period of time one year, two years, fifty years
Speaker 3: to line your arms and shoulders to the left, and
Speaker 3: now you've groove an outside in.
Speaker 5: Swing golf simplified with Director of Instruction for the Boulders,
Speaker 5: Donald Crawley, this is Golf Smarter. Welcome to the Golf
Speaker 5: Smarter podcast.
Speaker 4: Donald, Hey, Fred, how are you.
Speaker 5: I'm doing well. Thank you for joining me on the
Speaker 5: show today.
Speaker 4: Great to be leaders right.
Speaker 1: Tell me you're down.
Speaker 5: At the Boulders in one of my favorite not necessarily
Speaker 5: my favorite cities, but my favorite name for city, Carefree Arizona.
Speaker 3: It's a great place, just right at the very north
Speaker 3: end of Scottsdale, forty minutes from the Phoenix Sky Harbor Airport.
Speaker 3: So we're in Arizona. It's in what we call the
Speaker 3: desert foothills, twenty three feet elevation, breeze blowing through, always sunshine.
Speaker 4: It's a great place.
Speaker 1: Scottsdale is golf mecca.
Speaker 4: Yeah it is.
Speaker 3: Boy, We've got so many golf courses at one time.
Speaker 3: I think the last count is one hundred and eighty
Speaker 3: eight golf courses in this what we'll call it our
Speaker 3: county in a very very small area, so there's lots
Speaker 3: of golf to be had.
Speaker 1: There's a lot of golf to be had.
Speaker 5: And I have played at a number of the courses,
Speaker 5: not all of them down in the Scottsdale area, and
Speaker 5: was down at the Boulders are in the spring this
Speaker 5: year and just loved playing there.
Speaker 1: It was a fun track.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's great.
Speaker 3: I mean, we've got two golf courses in nineteen eighty
Speaker 3: four and nineteen eighty five. J Morrish designed, who was
Speaker 3: the old partner with Tom Wistoff, designed golf courses together.
Speaker 3: Very good desert golf, target golf they call it. But
Speaker 3: the North Coast places quite differently than the South Coast.
Speaker 3: The South Coast gets all the publicity because it's all
Speaker 3: the beautiful three million year old boulders and you're hitting
Speaker 3: off of cheese elevation and it's really quite pretty. The
Speaker 3: North Coast is challenging in a different way, a lot
Speaker 3: of dog legs and middle elevation change, so it's really
Speaker 3: quite fun. I enjoy both courses.
Speaker 5: I got a chance to play the South course and
Speaker 5: I was just on fire. It was the third round
Speaker 5: in three days that my friends and I had played,
Speaker 5: and we came out to the you know, we came
Speaker 5: out to the South course. We warmed up early in
Speaker 5: the morning and I just lit it up. I had
Speaker 5: a great round. I broke eighty, which is at the time,
Speaker 5: well it still is. It's rare for me to.
Speaker 3: Break haiti, But yeah, that's a good start a golf course.
Speaker 3: The South course is a little shorter.
Speaker 4: But it's narrow.
Speaker 3: You must go straight here to break eadya out of there.
Speaker 5: I was that day, Yeah.
Speaker 1: I was that day.
Speaker 5: But the views of the course, it's unlike other courses
Speaker 5: in the Phoenix Scottsdale area because you are up in
Speaker 5: the foothills. These boulders that surround the course are really
Speaker 5: dramatic and kind of distracting.
Speaker 3: It's quite amazing. I've had a couple of funny comments.
Speaker 3: People says, well, how did you how did you truck
Speaker 3: in those boulders?
Speaker 4: And I just laughed.
Speaker 3: They were half serious. I says, no, I said, believe
Speaker 3: it or not. The geologists tell you it's like thirty
Speaker 3: million years ago. This was the bottom of an ocean
Speaker 3: and these granite rock croppings are just from the bottom
Speaker 3: of the floor of the ocean, and of course all
Speaker 3: the sand around it's got washed away, which has left
Speaker 3: this sandy Dooney kind of golf calls around these dramatic boulders.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you'd wonder why, because you know, golf course architects
Speaker 5: are notorious for moving things around and changing things, but
Speaker 5: this one, seriously, Mourrish definitely had to work around the
Speaker 5: topography that was there.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you play through some rocks and definitely down
Speaker 3: some ravines and around particular number one. I mean, if
Speaker 3: you remember, the first soil is dramatic. It's a very
Speaker 3: very narrow t shot and you hit to a plateau
Speaker 3: and then you're going downhill to a very narrow shoot
Speaker 3: and then one of the boulders rock crop and it's
Speaker 3: sitting right behind the first green, and then people just
Speaker 3: stop and hold up play and start taking photos. So
Speaker 3: it's really it's spectacular.
Speaker 1: Thank you for reminding me.
Speaker 5: I do remember that first haul, and I think it's
Speaker 5: because we started early. I didn't want to take out
Speaker 5: the driver and I hit my forward right in the
Speaker 5: middle of the fairway and was just so that downhill
Speaker 5: shot I bogied the whole because of a three putt.
Speaker 5: I made it under the green.
Speaker 3: Well, you did it into a very wise thing, you know,
Speaker 3: to drive the ball straight out. The first thing a
Speaker 3: what I call.
Speaker 4: A weekend golfer.
Speaker 3: Or a traveling recreational golfer can do is to hit
Speaker 3: a wood with mall loft. So what you did, whether
Speaker 3: you did it consciously or subconsciously, or you weren't warmed up,
Speaker 3: when you take that forward with about eighteen twenty degrees
Speaker 3: of loft, you've given yourself a better chance of driving
Speaker 3: the ball in the fairway. And that's one of the
Speaker 3: strategic points that the amateur recreational golfer should consider, unless
Speaker 3: they're a very straight driver of the ball.
Speaker 5: Why is it so much easier to hit the ball
Speaker 5: straight with the forward than with the driver.
Speaker 3: Let's say a driver and average is ten point five
Speaker 3: degrees of loft, so your contact point on the back.
Speaker 4: Of a golf ball is pretty much.
Speaker 3: On the equator, meaning a ten degree driver is going
Speaker 3: to be hitting right in the back of the ball,
Speaker 3: which minimizes the backspin. That's one reason drivers are going
Speaker 3: farther because we want the trajectory to be high that
Speaker 3: have no spin on the ball, rather like a knuckleball
Speaker 3: from baseball. But if the face is open or clothes,
Speaker 3: you're going to impart side spin on the ball and
Speaker 3: the ball's going to slice our hook dramatically. But when
Speaker 3: you use a twenty degree lofted club, you're hitting underneath
Speaker 3: the equator. You're getting a little bit more backspin, which
Speaker 3: counteracts the side spin, which is why even the great
Speaker 3: players like Tiger Woods will sometimes drive with his five wood,
Speaker 3: hit what you call his.
Speaker 4: Stinger, and he hits the thing much straighter.
Speaker 3: Phil Nicholson is driving with a thirteen degree club. He's
Speaker 3: driving with more loss so that you can hit it straighter.
Speaker 5: So interesting, and I just, yeah, I thought it was
Speaker 5: just because of the amount of the power of the
Speaker 5: swing that I would put behind it or something, but
Speaker 5: it really is. The smaller club face allows you to
Speaker 5: get below the equator.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's two with lost. So the short answer is
Speaker 3: with mall loft, you're going to hit the ball straighter,
Speaker 3: and then the backspin is counteracting the side spin. That's
Speaker 3: why you hit your nine irons straighter and you can
Speaker 3: hit your five iron mall. It's more forgiving, which is
Speaker 3: a big part of golf strategy. Chat Nicholas was terrific.
Speaker 3: People didn't realize as strong as long as Jack was,
Speaker 3: he drove with a free wood most of his career.
Speaker 3: People just didn't know it. You know, he just smashed
Speaker 3: it a mile and of course it could is the
Speaker 3: off line.
Speaker 4: He didn't go as far off line. We went through
Speaker 4: an era.
Speaker 3: Where they were making drivers with seven and eight degrees
Speaker 3: loft was It was crazy because people just they can
Speaker 3: get the ball in the air and b when they
Speaker 3: did it when sideways. But now you'll see it's become
Speaker 3: more progressive, more and more loft on the driver to
Speaker 3: hit a higher launch angle with less backspin, and that's
Speaker 3: the key. That's why the ball goes further now.
Speaker 5: Well, also the materials are a lot different now that
Speaker 5: they're making the club heads.
Speaker 3: With well, no question, the material too, with the tetanic
Speaker 3: shafts and the titanium faces and the gold you know
Speaker 3: covered golf balls. All of that helps for sure. But
Speaker 3: you've done a great job with the technology in if
Speaker 3: you've ever have you ever hit fred ever hit golf
Speaker 3: balls on a machine that that measures your impact? The
Speaker 3: famous one at the moment is either track man or
Speaker 3: flight scope. Have you ever had the opportunity to do that.
Speaker 1: Yes, I have.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty exciting because what it does it really
Speaker 3: measures the impact and it tells you to launch angle,
Speaker 3: the spin rate and your plud face as well as
Speaker 3: your angle of attack. These are all things that I
Speaker 3: call what I call the impact factors that effect how
Speaker 3: the ball performs. And golf is a gain to control
Speaker 3: the golf ball. So back to our start where we
Speaker 3: started the story, or on number one, it's a type
Speaker 3: fair way, he says, I don't if I can hit
Speaker 3: my driver and squeeze it through that bottleneck, which is
Speaker 3: the bowl of south courses, a lot of driving holes
Speaker 3: that you hit a forward, a little bit more offt
Speaker 3: a little bit more spin. You gave up two yards
Speaker 3: of distance and gained a lot of avacacy, so you
Speaker 3: improved your impact. Made a great strategic decision on that
Speaker 3: first team.
Speaker 1: Well thank you, But.
Speaker 5: Why is it you just said I get two yards difference?
Speaker 4: Now, come on, people are all excited.
Speaker 3: I think that the driver is going to go like
Speaker 3: thirty yards different. Well, it often doesn't because of this
Speaker 3: side skin factor. So just think some simple numbers. You
Speaker 3: could drive the ball two hundred yards that you're hitting
Speaker 3: with your face two degrees open. That's two hundred yards
Speaker 3: and twenty four yards of slice. So the end result
Speaker 3: isn't over two hundred yards is spinning sideways as well
Speaker 3: as going forward. You make the same mistake with a
Speaker 3: three wood that say, sixteen degrees a block, You're only
Speaker 3: going to be giving up eight yards of distance from
Speaker 3: the fact that the ball isn't spinning as much sideway.
Speaker 3: So people think, well, no, I thought my driver was
Speaker 3: going to go thirty yards further than my three wood,
Speaker 3: And the answer is no, Maybe seven or eight yards
Speaker 3: is about all it ends up for. Again, I'm talking
Speaker 3: about the recreational golf who is not hitting the perfect impact.
Speaker 3: So what I do when I teach.
Speaker 4: Is I'm always trying to improve the impact.
Speaker 3: If I can get the club to hit the ball better,
Speaker 3: then the result is better. I did not just blow
Speaker 3: your wait for about all that A lot of good
Speaker 3: stuff about ballistics, It just bleweat away.
Speaker 5: I'm trying to take notes and absorb it all. I
Speaker 5: think that a lot of people would be willing to
Speaker 5: take the chance to sacrifice the slice if they can
Speaker 5: end up hitting their approach shot with a seven iron
Speaker 5: versus hitting with their hybrid.
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 1: Or is it just because we like it?
Speaker 5: Or does it we just like to see things fly
Speaker 5: as far as they can.
Speaker 3: Yeah, typically, I mean when I say you know, and
Speaker 3: I give it a lot of golf lessons, and the
Speaker 3: guys in particular, men in particular, but even women say,
Speaker 3: what was the one thing you want to do? The
Speaker 3: number one thing that dolphers want is consistency. So I
Speaker 3: asked the question, Explain to me what consistency is. Well,
Speaker 3: humans as we are, I think distancy is hitting every
Speaker 3: shot perfect. So that's not consistent. That's perfection and you're
Speaker 3: not going to achieve it. So okay, so let's move
Speaker 3: on from consistency. What you really mean is I want
Speaker 3: to hit more good shots and less bad shots. Right,
Speaker 3: how do I do that? Well, that's probably on the
Speaker 3: swing mechanics. But let's tie in the game of golf
Speaker 3: and the strategy of hitting a little bit more loft
Speaker 3: than you thought necessary in order to keep the ball
Speaker 3: in play. So when we talk about this desert golf,
Speaker 3: this target golf, you've got to get what we call
Speaker 3: the white on green. That's the white ball on the
Speaker 3: green fairway. So we're back to the story of let's
Speaker 3: hit the forward off the tee and to make sure
Speaker 3: you're driving it in the fairway. So you give in
Speaker 3: up back to my little story, seven or eight yards
Speaker 3: of distance, but you've got the thing in the fairway
Speaker 3: rather than chopping it out of the desert scrub.
Speaker 5: You know, not being a teacher, but by getting the
Speaker 5: opportunity to talk to a lot of teachers. I think
Speaker 5: one of the things that I've learned most important about
Speaker 5: how to improve my game was this quest for consistency.
Speaker 5: I think needs to be there needs to be a
Speaker 5: mindset shift on how do you deal with adversity because
Speaker 5: nobody and with anyone who watches the tour, consistency is
Speaker 5: elusive at best.
Speaker 4: And oh, you're absolutely right, and you're.
Speaker 5: Going to get yourself in trouble more often than not.
Speaker 5: The key is how do you deal with that trouble?
Speaker 3: Great thing, I think the quote I used that I
Speaker 3: just gither day and the lesson is the consistency story.
Speaker 3: Kevin Sutherland Champions Tour player shot sixty nine on the
Speaker 3: Senior Tour sometime this year and his first round is
Speaker 3: shot fifty nine. You're always shot in his second round
Speaker 3: seventy five, all that's fifteen strokes worse in one round.
Speaker 3: That we're talking a world past player.
Speaker 1: On the same golf course, on the same.
Speaker 3: Golf course, the same guy one day later, with more experience,
Speaker 3: and you still fifteen stross worse. So that I think
Speaker 3: is a good story. Al always remembers, you know, can't
Speaker 3: always be consistent. But but you're right back. What can
Speaker 3: you do to handle adversity? Adversity is really learning to
Speaker 3: control your mishits, and that's a physical thing and an
Speaker 3: emotional thing. So for example, I go out and I'll
Speaker 3: whack it out of bounds.
Speaker 4: I here this premise shot. Okay. So now there's a
Speaker 4: couple of choices. I've got one.
Speaker 3: I could get mad, I could get frustrated or worse,
Speaker 3: which a lot of people listening to this would be
Speaker 3: doing this would start to beat themselves up. Oh I'm
Speaker 3: such a terrible driver, I am halpless. I you know,
Speaker 3: I'm no good again to this. Now it is self talk,
Speaker 3: and before you know it, you dig yourself a big
Speaker 3: hole and you fall in it. Where the champion mind
Speaker 3: is to say, don it, just houte it. Never mind,
Speaker 3: I'm going to reap to it, and I'm going to
Speaker 3: drive this one down the fairway, knock it on the green,
Speaker 3: make a burden with my second ball, and end up
Speaker 3: on in end up making a bogie. So as a
Speaker 3: mindset involved in how you play the game very important.
Speaker 5: And when you're out on the course with some of
Speaker 5: your students and you do a playing lesson, which I
Speaker 5: think is so incredibly valuable as opposed to just working
Speaker 5: on somebody's swing. Are these the kind of things that
Speaker 5: you try to walk them through. Is how to handle
Speaker 5: mishits no question.
Speaker 4: I mean I'm doing more and more of that.
Speaker 3: I mean lesson that's mechanical lessons and more and more
Speaker 3: on the golf cost. And you have to have a
Speaker 3: pretty good handle of your own mechanics. So it's important
Speaker 3: that perhaps you can't fix everything. But one thing I
Speaker 3: stress is I want everyone to know is what is
Speaker 3: your natural tendency. So I'd use myself as an example.
Speaker 3: I tend to swing a little flat. I tend to
Speaker 3: hook the ball. I know that, so I work on
Speaker 3: trying to control how much I hook it.
Speaker 4: And when I.
Speaker 3: Get on the golf course, if I do hook it,
Speaker 3: I've got to know what can I do, not necessarily
Speaker 3: to fix everything, but to at least give myself a
Speaker 3: chance to get around the golf cost. So thread you
Speaker 3: and I haven't played the golf together yet, hopefully on
Speaker 3: your next visit to the ball as we'll get a
Speaker 3: chance to do that that I would look at you
Speaker 3: and say, here's your tendency.
Speaker 4: So you tend to.
Speaker 3: Do da da da da dad. Therefore, this is what
Speaker 3: I want you thinking. This is what I want you
Speaker 3: where I want you to aim on.
Speaker 4: The golf course.
Speaker 3: So let's say you tend to fade ball, which nine
Speaker 3: golfers tend to fade the driver. So the first thing
Speaker 3: to do is don't aim.
Speaker 4: It down the fairway.
Speaker 3: Aim it down the left side, because if you if
Speaker 3: you don't fade it, you've just got a little pull
Speaker 3: in a semi rough on the left side of the fairway.
Speaker 3: If you do fade it, you're in the middle of
Speaker 3: the fairway. So a lot of people who faded the
Speaker 3: ball don't haven't fixed the fad. But they can't telling me, well,
Speaker 3: I'm going to I've been working on a closed stance.
Speaker 3: I said, why on earth if you fade the ball,
Speaker 3: would you aim to the right.
Speaker 4: What do you think?
Speaker 1: Because they want to be able to want to be
Speaker 1: able to draw the ball.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you see, that's absolutely niche. Closing your stands has
Speaker 3: no influence on the golf ball whatsoever.
Speaker 4: It's the absolute big smith.
Speaker 3: Do you know what that comes from closing your stands?
Speaker 5: No, I was going to ask you then why would
Speaker 5: they possibly do that?
Speaker 3: Okay, So here's it's all the golfers listen to this.
Speaker 3: Thank you golfs for listening to this.
Speaker 4: Okay.
Speaker 3: So this is Donald Crawley. I'm a brit I grew
Speaker 3: up playing golf in Britain, so and I studied under
Speaker 3: some of these old krusty golf prowls from way back length.
Speaker 3: So let's just go back one hundred years ago. One
Speaker 3: hundred years ago were the great players. There were all
Speaker 3: these Scottish guys, you know, Harry Varden, Braid, J. H. Taylor,
Speaker 3: then this and then bringing Bobby Jones this era. Okay,
Speaker 3: So they played with hickory shafted golf clubs. They played
Speaker 3: with a rock used to be called a good percher
Speaker 3: ball or the feathery terrible old golf balls. They couldn't
Speaker 3: get that thing to go one hundred and fifty yards.
Speaker 3: So between the conditions, windy Sandy golf courses, crappy equipment.
Speaker 3: They had to stand closed, have a very strong grip,
Speaker 3: swim flat around the body, used their risks a lot
Speaker 3: and turn over to make the ball hit these low
Speaker 3: running hooks. That's what they did, and they shot probably
Speaker 3: a great player in those years with the conditions and
Speaker 3: the equipment.
Speaker 4: If they shot.
Speaker 3: Eighty, they were a world champion. Okay, so now fast forward.
Speaker 3: That gets passed down. So Tommy Ama, whatever, Bobby Jones
Speaker 3: in particular, let's close the stance and look how Bobby
Speaker 3: hits this beautiful draw from a close stance. Okay, Now
Speaker 3: they've worked the swing coming way from the inside, fast
Speaker 3: forward a hundred years. You don't need to close your
Speaker 3: stands and start the ball out to the right and
Speaker 3: hit a low hook to come around. With the equipment
Speaker 3: you have now you can get the ball up in
Speaker 3: there and hit it over one hundred and fifty yards anyway.
Speaker 3: So let's just try this in Why doesn't the close
Speaker 3: stance work in.
Speaker 4: The modern golfer.
Speaker 3: Fred's going to go ahead and just close closes stands
Speaker 3: and not let the closing of the stands influence the
Speaker 3: swing path and allow the golf club to hit from
Speaker 3: the inside and close the face. All Fred does is
Speaker 3: closest stands and goes ahead, swinging outside and hitting a
Speaker 3: pull face.
Speaker 5: Well, let's make sure that we understand what you mean
Speaker 5: by closing the stands.
Speaker 1: That means that your front foot is.
Speaker 5: Forward forward right, your back foot, the back foot, the
Speaker 5: one away from the target, is pulled back versus. An
Speaker 5: open stance is opening your body to the target.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's your feet, and that's the thing people
Speaker 3: close the stands. So typically we'll talk about the right
Speaker 3: handed golfers. So forgi'sk for right handed golfers and left
Speaker 3: it's really smart. You can flip it over. Right handed
Speaker 3: golfer is going to pull the right foot back. That's
Speaker 3: called the closed stance. But typically your feet are just
Speaker 3: aimed really off to the right. Now, And what you
Speaker 3: and most golfers don't understand is your upper body, which
Speaker 3: is your alignment of your arms and your shoulders, is
Speaker 3: what influences the swing path more than your feet. So
Speaker 3: even though you've closed your stands.
Speaker 4: That's your feet.
Speaker 3: Your upper body is typically left open. Open is to
Speaker 3: the left, So you can close your stance all you want,
Speaker 3: But if your upper body is lined up to the left,
Speaker 3: you will swing to the left. The influence of an
Speaker 3: out to in our golf swing.
Speaker 4: Going to the left open the face, and.
Speaker 3: The ball slices, which is why people come from me
Speaker 3: say normal and close the most stones and still slicing.
Speaker 3: And the answer and the answer is your feet have
Speaker 3: got nothing to do with it. Let's close your upper body,
Speaker 3: let's close your arms and your shoulders. Then you're on
Speaker 3: the right. Tractor in influences swing path, which will influence
Speaker 3: the club face, which will end result give you a
Speaker 3: chance to.
Speaker 4: Draw the ball.
Speaker 5: Lots of times someone will go, you know your feet
Speaker 5: where you know your ball went way right? And do
Speaker 5: you realize your feet were pointing exactly in the direction
Speaker 5: where your ball went And they're trying to compensate that
Speaker 5: with opening their shoulders. Is that what they think they're doing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you're right.
Speaker 3: So actually, so let's go back. Let's go back to
Speaker 3: the fade of the slicer. So the fad of the slicer,
Speaker 3: why do they slice? Now you're going to get a
Speaker 3: difference of opinion. Some people would say, well, I'm hitting
Speaker 3: across the ball that's going to slice. Well, in reality,
Speaker 3: the face of the golf club if it's open to
Speaker 3: the swing path, the ball will fade. You're actually hitting
Speaker 3: at a glance in blow. Okay, So that's what is
Speaker 3: a slice. People don't even understand that golf crot. In fact,
Speaker 3: I'm doing a seminar for golf pros on September twenty
Speaker 3: second Hit of the Boulders, and I'm going to have
Speaker 3: fifty young golf professionals and they're going to not realize
Speaker 3: what actually causes a slice. They just don't know.
Speaker 4: They just don't get it. Well, let me tell you.
Speaker 3: The ball slices when the face is opened, So just
Speaker 3: get your mind wrapped around.
Speaker 4: It's about the club face.
Speaker 3: So if the face is open, you will align your
Speaker 3: arms and your shoulders to the left to compensate.
Speaker 4: For that slice.
Speaker 3: When you align your arms and shoulders to the left,
Speaker 3: you will produce an outside in swing. So it's like
Speaker 3: what came first, the chicken of the egg. Well, on
Speaker 3: day one you hit with the face open, the ball sliced.
Speaker 3: So you learn over a period of time, one year,
Speaker 3: two years, fifty years, to line you up some shoulders
Speaker 3: to the left, and now you've groove an outside in
Speaker 3: the swing. Then you come along and says yeah. But
Speaker 3: if I close my stands, if I drop my right
Speaker 3: foot back, I'm going to stop my slice wrong. And
Speaker 3: that's why it doesn't work. And I'm kind of glad
Speaker 3: for that, because a lot of people will have to
Speaker 3: keep coming to Donald Crawley and asking, oh God, my slice.
Speaker 3: And I promise you that closing your stands isn't the answer.
Speaker 1: Wow, Wow, that's right.
Speaker 3: Okay, So the answer is the true answer is and
Speaker 3: I do. I hope I don't sound flippant. I've got
Speaker 3: a dry sense of humor.
Speaker 4: I'm a gritzer.
Speaker 5: Remember that you're a great Wait a minute, I thought
Speaker 5: that accent was right from Arizona.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he's very brother long lady.
Speaker 1: He didn't sound like a local.
Speaker 3: So all the slices, okay, lifting up slices. If you're
Speaker 3: slicing the ball, go and get some help, for someone
Speaker 3: to teach you how to close the club face. Not
Speaker 3: your stamps, close your club face and you'll get rid
Speaker 3: of your slides.
Speaker 5: So then it doesn't matter if we're playing a resort
Speaker 5: course that has wide open fairways or the local or
Speaker 5: your country club, which the fairways are much narrower. And
Speaker 5: that's mainly the difference right between country club and resort courses.
Speaker 1: Is how wide the fairways are, I.
Speaker 3: Would think, and I think I think it depends where
Speaker 3: you go. But I hear what you're saying. I think,
Speaker 3: as a rule of thumb, if you're playing a narrow
Speaker 3: golf call so or here the boulders the south coast
Speaker 3: is narrower in the North coast. I do not hit
Speaker 3: a driver on the South coast until whole number eight.
Speaker 3: And the reason is number one is narrow fredited.
Speaker 4: A wide thing.
Speaker 3: As I mentioned, you hit a forward, I hit a
Speaker 3: fair way, would off the first two get it in
Speaker 3: the fairway. Hole number two is a part three. Hole
Speaker 3: number three is a bog lean to the right. If
Speaker 3: I hit my driver, i'd drive it through the fairway.
Speaker 3: So again, I hit a fairway wood whole number four,
Speaker 3: I could should hit driver. So I'm sort of on
Speaker 3: the fence between driver and fairway wood. Number five is
Speaker 3: a split fairway. You can take the gamble and hit
Speaker 3: the driver, or you could hit the fairry wood hybrid
Speaker 3: on the right side of the fairway. It's like we
Speaker 3: call a split fairway. Number six is a short power four.
Speaker 3: You don't need a driver. Number seven is the part three,
Speaker 3: and then number eight is the first one where the
Speaker 3: fairways opens up and it's a long power four. I
Speaker 3: need to hit driver so I can get home into
Speaker 3: So the strategy of the golf or the strategy of
Speaker 3: the game fits into what the golf course is given me.
Speaker 1: So interesting.
Speaker 3: So I don't know if I see if that and
Speaker 3: listeners here because I've never played the card. I hope
Speaker 3: you get to come out here and play it. I
Speaker 3: hope I get a chance to help you with your
Speaker 3: golf game. What I do a lot is what I
Speaker 3: call a quick fix before you play golf. So if
Speaker 3: I see Fred and says, look, I don't have time
Speaker 3: to work on my game. You know I'm a busy guy.
Speaker 3: That help me, then I'll give you a quick what
Speaker 3: I call a quick fix or an allo lesson to say, Fred,
Speaker 3: here's your tendencies here. This is one of two things
Speaker 3: you could do right now without having to reinvent the wheel.
Speaker 3: And you can control your golf ball better, so I
Speaker 3: improve the impact, I improve your ballflight without.
Speaker 4: Having to wrap your head around too many things.
Speaker 3: So that's the first step. Let's give you a quick
Speaker 3: fix on your mechanics. But then when we play golf.
Speaker 3: I want you thinking correctly, and I want you making
Speaker 3: good decisions, good strategic decisions, playing the percentage game, meaning
Speaker 3: give yourself a chance to succeed. Don't try and thread
Speaker 3: that ball through a two inch hole through the trees
Speaker 3: when you could be pitching it over the trees and
Speaker 3: on the green, saying yourself the.
Speaker 5: Scope, Well, we have our number one rule here. Never
Speaker 5: follow a bad shot with a stupid shot.
Speaker 3: That's so true, or an angry shot, which is usually
Speaker 3: an angry hole.
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, exactly.
Speaker 5: Well, I definitely want to be able to play the
Speaker 5: Boulders again, because I did succeed in the South course.
Speaker 5: I had a good round, but it was the first time,
Speaker 5: and I want to now that I kind of have
Speaker 5: a sense of how to play that course, I want
Speaker 5: to go back and try it again.
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly. And then you know, one of the things
Speaker 3: that I stress is then I'll get a plug in here,
Speaker 3: and my website is called Golf Simplified.
Speaker 1: Oh, I wasn't going to let.
Speaker 5: You leave without discussing Golf Simplified. I wanted to go
Speaker 5: there next.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Good, okay, good, let's let's move in there, because that's
Speaker 3: that's what I teach the here the boulders with the
Speaker 3: its for Golf Symplified. I'm doing a seminar for PGA professionals.
Speaker 4: Golf Symplify. Now that's my.
Speaker 3: Little title to it. That's a way to describe it.
Speaker 3: That by for myself included, I'm ready to play a
Speaker 3: PGA tournament. I've got to simplify my thought process so
Speaker 3: that I give myself a chance to succeed.
Speaker 4: And play better.
Speaker 3: Not a matter of how much you think about it.
Speaker 3: It's a matter of what you think about and the
Speaker 3: correct thoughts.
Speaker 5: So then golf Simplified for you to kind of summarize that.
Speaker 5: But that is the name of your school. That is
Speaker 5: the name of your website, correct, Golfsimplified dot com.
Speaker 4: Golfsimplified dot com.
Speaker 1: Excellent.
Speaker 5: All right, Well, we'll send people there and so you
Speaker 5: give lessons beyond just what you offer on the website.
Speaker 5: If people want to come down and visit you and
Speaker 5: care Free Arizona, you should definitely. If you're going down there,
Speaker 5: I highly recommend. It is a bit of a drive
Speaker 5: from you from the central Scottsdale area, you're going far north,
Speaker 5: but it's worth the drive. It's a beautiful drive, and
Speaker 5: the course is rather breathtaking compared to a lot of
Speaker 5: the other desert courses.
Speaker 1: It's very different than other desert courses.
Speaker 3: It really is one of the things when I've been
Speaker 3: out in this what we call the Phoenix Valley since
Speaker 3: nineteen eighty two and me on they had two or
Speaker 3: three golf courses then, and then when all the resort
Speaker 3: courses were built in the mid eighties. The Boulders is
Speaker 3: built with enough space that the houses don't encroach the
Speaker 3: golf course. What you'll find is the other golf courses
Speaker 3: in this area that have a good reputation. When they
Speaker 3: were first designed, they were beautiful because it was just
Speaker 3: a golf course and desert landscape all around you. But now,
Speaker 3: of course the real estate they've got track homes built
Speaker 3: up right next to the fairway, I mean a wich.
Speaker 3: I've got to bias opinion about the Boulders. It's one
Speaker 3: of the prettiest golf courses, both of them all, because
Speaker 3: you're out there and looking up foothills and you've got
Speaker 3: a house that's one hundred yards off the fairway, not
Speaker 3: something right up against you. You know, the left side
Speaker 3: of your drive and aiming points.
Speaker 5: If you like to take photographs when you're traveling going
Speaker 5: to golf courses.
Speaker 1: I like to do that.
Speaker 5: I like to take pictures of golf courses. Some of
Speaker 5: the courses in Arizona. You know, it's mostly sky. It's
Speaker 5: it's very flat. You know, there's not a lot of
Speaker 5: excitement except of a couple of swarow cactus. But the photographs,
Speaker 5: and I'm going to put a couple of mine up.
Speaker 5: The photographs from the from the Boulders South Course are
Speaker 5: so dramatic. I think one of my favorite ones was
Speaker 5: the giant swarrow cactus right in the center of a bunker.
Speaker 3: Oh, that'll be numbers whole number seven. Yeah right, Yeah,
Speaker 3: you've got this beautiful. Actually, that hole is probably the
Speaker 3: most photograph because you've got a massive whole boulder where
Speaker 3: I don't know if you've played what piece did you
Speaker 3: play for You played the white teeth.
Speaker 1: We played the white copper combo.
Speaker 4: O the white coup comb up there, which is one hundred.
Speaker 5: And twenty five slope, So the heart the back teams
Speaker 5: were about one hundred and forty slope. That was about
Speaker 5: one hundred and twenty five. That's more of where our
Speaker 5: game is.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, which is good. I mean, you know, the
Speaker 3: whole national push t play the tee for would makes sense.
Speaker 3: So you play a golf course. It doesn't matter which
Speaker 3: teas as long as you enjoy it. Whereas my mind
Speaker 3: was going on that whole you were referring to the
Speaker 3: blue teeth is elevated, which gives you an incredible view.
Speaker 3: It just made the whole heart of its elevated. And
Speaker 3: you stood on the top of the big boulders you know,
Speaker 3: i'd say millions of years old that all the sandy
Speaker 3: is washed around from them. It looks like it's going
Speaker 3: to tipple over. And you play from that key to
Speaker 3: the whole. We all referrence to the green and then
Speaker 3: on the right side in the bunker there's this massive
Speaker 3: sorrel cactusy in that which is it. It's a beautiful view.
Speaker 3: Unfortunately I keep getting by ball behind itself. I'm not
Speaker 3: sure I like it too well.
Speaker 1: It's the only hole I double bogie that day.
Speaker 4: There you go.
Speaker 3: Why you remember the cactus.
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly.
Speaker 5: But I also want to mention that, you know, you
Speaker 5: you talked about the homes in the residential area that
Speaker 5: was built up, but there's a magnificent resort at the
Speaker 5: Boulders as well. It's not it's a great destination place
Speaker 5: that you can get away, get some you know, some
Speaker 5: great rest, but also two rounds of golf right there
Speaker 5: on the property. Yeah.
Speaker 3: It's there's one hundred and sixty two caroceeders, which is
Speaker 3: it's not a high rise of hotel than a block.
Speaker 3: And it's these casitas that are scattered around actually on
Speaker 3: the south course, so you get like your own middle
Speaker 3: apartment and they just they're real wonderful because they're so unobtrusive.
Speaker 4: And then you can.
Speaker 3: Walk right from the casino, you know, down to the
Speaker 3: back first go out to the golf course. It's in fact,
Speaker 3: I found this place years ago and I played it.
Speaker 3: I says, well, it's a beautiful place. And then I
Speaker 3: came on my adversary before I started working here eleven
Speaker 3: years ago, and so and I it just had a
Speaker 3: real weekend what we call it a staycation, and we
Speaker 3: just came, you know, an hour drive away and stayed
Speaker 3: here for a couple of nights.
Speaker 4: And it's beautiful.
Speaker 3: And I'm a golf course or it's like usually I
Speaker 3: don't go vacationing on golf results, but it really is.
Speaker 3: It's fabulous. It's a great place to stay. It's a
Speaker 3: one stop shop. You don't have to jump into into
Speaker 3: cars and drive to the golf course. You just jump
Speaker 3: on a golf cart and get a shuttle away to
Speaker 3: the first tea and.
Speaker 4: Off you go.
Speaker 5: Well, that's a very nice testimony for a golf professional
Speaker 5: who's like, yeah, I'm going to stay at a golf course.
Speaker 5: That's pretty rare. Well, I also want to congratulate you. You've
Speaker 5: received some great accolation on your golf instruction. You've been
Speaker 5: named PGA Teacher of the Year by various magazines and
Speaker 5: in Arizona. That's also a testimony to what a great
Speaker 5: teacher you are.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, thank you, very kind of you. I
Speaker 3: generally say that, fortunately for me in my business, if
Speaker 3: you get results, if you help people, then those kind
Speaker 3: of awards seem to follow. And I've been fortunate that
Speaker 3: I've been on the national Top one hundred teacher list
Speaker 3: for twenty years and then I've had PGA Teacher the
Speaker 3: Year twice and some other little accolades, And it's all
Speaker 3: based on me helping you. If Fred comes to play
Speaker 3: golf and I help you a little bit, whether I
Speaker 3: just help you thought process your routine, get rid of
Speaker 3: a little bit of a fade, or more importantly, get
Speaker 3: you to shoot a rower number because we work on
Speaker 3: your show game and Fred remembers me and then sends
Speaker 3: in a nice note on trip Advisor whatever, and suddenly
Speaker 3: that the powers to be say, you know, you must
Speaker 3: know what you're doing, and to give me a nice award.
Speaker 3: So it's very rewarding and it keeps me honest and
Speaker 3: working hard to try and help people improve the game.
Speaker 3: I'm still a golf not so I still trying to
Speaker 3: get better. So as long as you express that, then
Speaker 3: those kind of trophies follow.
Speaker 1: And golf simplified to me is very similar to golf
Speaker 1: smarter in that my sense, what you're trying to teach
Speaker 1: is that it's not at all about your mechanics, that
Speaker 1: there's a way to get lower scores, and there's a
Speaker 1: simple way for you to teach how to lower scores
Speaker 1: that's not just focusing on banging balls all day.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's exactly right. Golf smarter. You've got it right, Fred,
Speaker 3: because it is is being smarter, and he's thinking, as
Speaker 3: they say, golf is about a routine, making sure you're
Speaker 3: in a consistent routine, which will help improve your consistency.
Speaker 3: So even if your mechanics aren't perfect, you can still
Speaker 3: control your golf ball and you can still keep your
Speaker 3: ball in play. But once you get within fifty yards,
Speaker 3: that's where the rubber really meets the role. You've got
Speaker 3: to be able to chip and put it well in
Speaker 3: order to score. When I do articles and I write.
Speaker 4: About who's won what, and we think it's because.
Speaker 3: They drive the ball three hundred and twenty yards, here's
Speaker 3: a quick thing about scoring. Bubba Watson, who's a I
Speaker 3: can't say as a friend that Elisia, so I see indication. Anyway,
Speaker 3: Bubba hits the ball three hundred and fifty yards and
Speaker 3: it's ridiculous how far Pubber can hit it. What people
Speaker 3: don't realize is Bubber is the best long what we
Speaker 3: call a lag padder on tour this year, which means
Speaker 3: is Bubba Watson has had the least amount of three
Speaker 3: putts of anyone else. But we don't remember that. We
Speaker 3: remember Brother eighty three fifty, the Butther, the heck of
Speaker 3: a Tutter, Tiger Woods, Tom Watson, Jack Nicholas. They're great players.
Speaker 3: They were the best tutters ever walks on the face
Speaker 3: of the earth.
Speaker 5: I got a good one for you, and I think
Speaker 5: I know you have to run. You have a lesson
Speaker 5: coming up. But Tiger Woods is needing a coach. If
Speaker 5: Tiger Woods were to reach out to you, it's like, hey,
Speaker 5: you know, Bubba told me that you teach over there,
Speaker 5: and I'm heading out. I'm visiting Bubba hanging out, and
Speaker 5: he was interested in looking for coach. He's looking to
Speaker 5: hire somebody. And he called you, what would you tell
Speaker 5: me you thought his issue was and how you would
Speaker 5: help him.
Speaker 3: Well, I've been quoted saying this, the Fosso all quoted
Speaker 3: again online and Tiger will probably black blacklist and if
Speaker 3: he hears this, oh.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Tiger is going to listen to this show.
Speaker 3: Right. It's amazing he's got He's got a hold camp that.
Speaker 4: Finds out this stuff.
Speaker 3: And Tiger my opinion, my young opinion, is Tiger's mechanics
Speaker 3: plant the issue. I tell you what, He's had good
Speaker 3: instructors his whole life, his father, he's had the gentleman
Speaker 3: that the guy from California told him during I forgotten
Speaker 3: his name then. But Butcher's a close personal friend is
Speaker 3: a terrific teacher, did a great job. Hank Haney is
Speaker 3: a close friend. Hank did a terrific job with him.
Speaker 3: Sean Foley has done his thing in the last two
Speaker 3: or three years. But Tiger's mechanics, it's Tiger's body. The
Speaker 3: question is can Tiger's body, you know, hang on it
Speaker 3: and you're not going he handle it?
Speaker 4: Because Tiger can.
Speaker 3: Do whatever he wants to do. He's so talented. If
Speaker 3: he wants to swing flattener around his body with the
Speaker 3: closed face, he's still with Lady Championships. If he wants
Speaker 3: to steep and it playing a little bit and start
Speaker 3: aiming like and trying to cut the ball and do that,
Speaker 3: you can know every once.
Speaker 4: It's so talented.
Speaker 3: But will his body hold up to it? Will his
Speaker 3: knee allow him to rotate through? Now he's got back
Speaker 3: and knee issues with fault. I really have emphasis of
Speaker 3: people with back, knee and his issues because you've got
Speaker 3: those joints that take a lot of stress. So if
Speaker 3: Tiger called me as a Tiger, we need to get
Speaker 3: your body in as good as shape as possible, not
Speaker 3: a matter of change in your swing playing.
Speaker 5: Yeah, but this is a guy who has you know,
Speaker 5: he's very dedicated to his workouts. He has you know,
Speaker 5: he's changed the style of body for a golfer. What
Speaker 5: specifically would you have him work on? What would you
Speaker 5: tell him?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not about mechanics, it's not about his play
Speaker 3: and stuff. I mean, you know, because Butch had one thing.
Speaker 4: But then Butch.
Speaker 3: Basically shortened his golf swing because Tiger's swing used to
Speaker 3: be too much across the line with the face closed Tiger,
Speaker 3: and but shortened him up and that helped. But then
Speaker 3: hank can I agree one hundred percent? He actually had
Speaker 3: the face closed and the swing was too inside and up,
Speaker 3: and so he rounded it, flattened it with the face
Speaker 3: all open, which helped. And then Sean Folly felt that
Speaker 3: he was too much around and open, so then he
Speaker 3: bent him over all and steeped in the plane, particularly
Speaker 3: with the plane of his shoulder tents. So they've been
Speaker 3: changing some mechanics. The Tiger needs to get healthy and
Speaker 3: b get his tuter back to where it used to be.
Speaker 3: And both Butch and Hanker told me he would spend
Speaker 3: hours upon hours working on chipping and Paddy he's had
Speaker 3: the greatest shot game since seven ballastra. So Tiger, what
Speaker 3: we're going to do, get you healthy and let's get
Speaker 3: that short game ranked up.
Speaker 1: Now.
Speaker 3: The one thing I would say with the mechanics is
Speaker 3: his big fear still is a driver.
Speaker 4: And I'd have a.
Speaker 3: Feeling about the driver. The way he's going about it.
Speaker 3: There's one mechanical thing i'd have him trying to do
Speaker 3: with his driver.
Speaker 5: Do you sense that he's not confident with his driver
Speaker 5: when he steps up with it?
Speaker 4: Oh?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I no, he's not confident with his driver. No,
Speaker 3: he's fearful.
Speaker 4: We all have.
Speaker 3: We all fear and miss. I thought Hanks that everyone
Speaker 3: might do. But hanged a good book of called The
Speaker 3: Big Miss. And of course it depends on how you
Speaker 3: interpret it. I thought it was very good. I thought
Speaker 3: it was it was on his opinion of what he
Speaker 3: experienced with six years with Tiger. But the Big Miss
Speaker 3: was right. Tiger is trying to put what we call
Speaker 3: double crossly, which is to pull hook it. So if
Speaker 3: you set up down the left side to hit a
Speaker 3: fade and then you hit a hook, you are royally
Speaker 3: screwed for the rest.
Speaker 1: Of the day. Yes, you are.
Speaker 3: You are so fearful of the left side and I
Speaker 3: believe that Tiger is fearful of that miss and then
Speaker 3: compensates because he's human. It's what I'd like to do
Speaker 3: with something a little different with his with his driver
Speaker 3: and get him drive any better. But you know you
Speaker 3: have to get into his cany body hold up what
Speaker 3: he really wants to do, and maybe he can't, and
Speaker 3: maybe the only time.
Speaker 4: To knows that.
Speaker 3: So I suppose I'll never get the privilege to find
Speaker 3: out what he physically can and can't do until you
Speaker 3: work with him one on one, when you know there's
Speaker 3: no cameras and recordings around him.
Speaker 5: So would you advise him to try to be a
Speaker 5: little more patient about his recovery of his injuries? Is
Speaker 5: that what you're talking about his body? Is that just
Speaker 5: just take some more time off. You're not fully healed
Speaker 5: yet right.
Speaker 3: Oh now, it's been off looking in the last three years.
Speaker 3: He's hardly played, what between his personal issues and then injury,
Speaker 3: he's hardly played the last three years. But I don't
Speaker 3: think he can came back too soon. But I'm not
Speaker 3: sure that whatever surgery has had or with therapy has
Speaker 3: had that is recovered. But I don't think Tiger is
Speaker 3: particular issues or plenty of time to rest. But I
Speaker 3: wish I could go back and quote at the top
Speaker 3: of my head.
Speaker 4: But it's like, how.
Speaker 3: Many weeks is he played? He was offered us eight
Speaker 3: months and then back for two months, and then off
Speaker 3: for three months, and no, I think the guy needs
Speaker 3: to play. And Tiger what used to do? He used
Speaker 3: to play himself into a tournament. He would practice thirty
Speaker 3: six holes a day on the week before the tournament.
Speaker 3: He would play himself into shape, which I think is
Speaker 3: terrific because he shows he wasn't working on his mechanics
Speaker 3: and fiddling with his face path and angle and stuff.
Speaker 3: He was just out there playing the game as he
Speaker 3: knows it, which I think is terrific. And there's a
Speaker 3: testimony for you and I talking about golf smarter, golf, simplified.
Speaker 3: Tiger Woods is the ultimate smartest guy. I don't know
Speaker 3: about the simplest, the smartest guy, just like John Nicholas was.
Speaker 3: That's why they were major tournaments, fascinating. They learned to
Speaker 3: they learned to play the game. So I don't think
Speaker 3: telling Tiger patients would work. I don't think we can
Speaker 3: fire you in the first second if you said Tiger
Speaker 3: the patient.
Speaker 5: I don't think i'd get the conversation far enough into
Speaker 5: it to allow him to fire me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so the next time I bump into Tiger, I'll
Speaker 3: tell him to call Fred Green and golf smarter and
Speaker 3: he'll probably he'll probably rut on the front.
Speaker 5: You right, Yeah, he'll keep walking right by you anyway,
Speaker 5: Well if you're headed there.
Speaker 3: But well, I was just thinking, okay, So so Fred says,
Speaker 3: it's been a wonderful conversation. I'm teaching a young golf
Speaker 3: professional from Mexico City. He is a wonderful golfer and
Speaker 3: he is one shot away for as interviewing him on
Speaker 3: our next podcast, because he's going to be out there.
Speaker 4: On the mainstream.
Speaker 3: He's currently playing the PGA Latin American Tour, which is
Speaker 3: the feeding to the web dot Com, which is the
Speaker 3: feeding the PGA Tour. So he is getting ready to
Speaker 3: go and play the second half of the Latin American Tour,
Speaker 3: and I've got to get in shave about one stroke
Speaker 3: off around and then that way he'll be on web
Speaker 3: dot Com next year. Then they'll be on PGA Tour
Speaker 3: the next year. So in two years, I can take
Speaker 3: my golf simplified on the road on the tour, traveling
Speaker 3: with my young friend JD Fernandez.
Speaker 1: So uhh, that's what I was going to Jd for
Speaker 1: looking up.
Speaker 4: He's a young man.
Speaker 3: He's a terrific guy. I've been working with him for
Speaker 3: four years. He keeps putting up with me. His golf
Speaker 3: swing is terrific and you see him swaying and people
Speaker 3: think it's Rolly mckelwroy. So I sent his video to
Speaker 3: a couple of my friends, like Butch and Hank, and
Speaker 3: I said, take a look at me, give me a
Speaker 3: second opinion of my You know, what do you see here?
Speaker 3: And he said he teaching Rory. I said, no, I wish,
Speaker 3: but he does look like him and he swings like
Speaker 3: him too, so we've got to get him. He's a
Speaker 3: couple of strokes away from Rory is a game, but
Speaker 3: only one stroke away from being out there at least
Speaker 3: competing on a on the on the big platform.
Speaker 1: So I, oh, well, good luck with him. That sounds.
Speaker 1: We'll definitely keep an.
Speaker 4: Eye on him, as you can tell.
Speaker 3: I mean, I love this guy and he's working hard.
Speaker 4: So I'm going to.
Speaker 3: Work with him today. He'll jump on a plane and
Speaker 3: then he'll be down in South America for you know,
Speaker 3: three weeks at a time, and they come home for a
Speaker 3: week and he's doing ees on top. You know. Then
Speaker 3: you know I'm rude him for him, you know, because
Speaker 3: I'm his coach. But this is a good kid, So
Speaker 3: I hope he makes it.
Speaker 4: He's got the ability.
Speaker 5: I hope you will come back on the show sometime.
Speaker 5: I've really enjoyed, I've learned a tremendous amount and enjoyed
Speaker 5: speaking to you.
Speaker 1: Will you come back sometimes?
Speaker 3: I sure that it would be my pleasure. Fred, thank
Speaker 3: you for having me and golf. Everyone listening golf, Smarter golf.
Speaker 4: Since this alright, come and visit me at the.
Speaker 3: Boulders and keep listening into Stress podcast. It's good stuff
Speaker 3: and I hope I got another opportunity to chatch a
Speaker 3: little bit more