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Speaker 1: Golf Smarter number four hundred and fifty four.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to golf Smarter Mulligans, your second chance to gain

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Speaker 3: So the favor of the slicer, why do they slice?

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Are you going to get a difference of opinion? Some

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people would say, well, I'm hitting across the ball, that's

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going to slice. Well, in reality, the face of the

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golf club, if it's open to the swing pack, the

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ball will fade. You are actually hitting at a glance

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in blow. So that's what causes a slide.

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Speaker 4: People don't understand that.

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Speaker 3: Let me tell you. The ball slice is when the

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space is owned. So just get your mind wrapped around.

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It's about the club plase.

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Speaker 4: So if the face is open, you.

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Speaker 3: Will align your arms and your shoulders to the left

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to compensate fall out slide. When you align your arms

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and shoulders to the left, you will produce an outside

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in swing. So it's like walk came to the chicken

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of the egg. Well, on day one you hit with

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the face open the balf slide. So you learn over

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a period of time one year, two years, fifty years

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to line your arms and shoulders to the left, and

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now you've groove an outside in.

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Speaker 5: Swing golf simplified with Director of Instruction for the Boulders,

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Donald Crawley, this is Golf Smarter. Welcome to the Golf

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Smarter podcast.

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Speaker 4: Donald, Hey, Fred, how are you.

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Speaker 5: I'm doing well. Thank you for joining me on the

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show today.

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Speaker 4: Great to be leaders right.

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Speaker 1: Tell me you're down.

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Speaker 5: At the Boulders in one of my favorite not necessarily

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my favorite cities, but my favorite name for city, Carefree Arizona.

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Speaker 3: It's a great place, just right at the very north

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end of Scottsdale, forty minutes from the Phoenix Sky Harbor Airport.

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So we're in Arizona. It's in what we call the

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desert foothills, twenty three feet elevation, breeze blowing through, always sunshine.

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Speaker 4: It's a great place.

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Speaker 1: Scottsdale is golf mecca.

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Speaker 4: Yeah it is.

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Speaker 3: Boy, We've got so many golf courses at one time.

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I think the last count is one hundred and eighty

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eight golf courses in this what we'll call it our

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county in a very very small area, so there's lots

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of golf to be had.

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Speaker 1: There's a lot of golf to be had.

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Speaker 5: And I have played at a number of the courses,

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not all of them down in the Scottsdale area, and

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was down at the Boulders are in the spring this

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year and just loved playing there.

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Speaker 1: It was a fun track.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's great.

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Speaker 3: I mean, we've got two golf courses in nineteen eighty

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four and nineteen eighty five. J Morrish designed, who was

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the old partner with Tom Wistoff, designed golf courses together.

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Very good desert golf, target golf they call it. But

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the North Coast places quite differently than the South Coast.

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The South Coast gets all the publicity because it's all

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the beautiful three million year old boulders and you're hitting

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off of cheese elevation and it's really quite pretty. The

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North Coast is challenging in a different way, a lot

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of dog legs and middle elevation change, so it's really

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quite fun. I enjoy both courses.

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Speaker 5: I got a chance to play the South course and

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I was just on fire. It was the third round

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in three days that my friends and I had played,

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and we came out to the you know, we came

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out to the South course. We warmed up early in

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the morning and I just lit it up. I had

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a great round. I broke eighty, which is at the time,

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well it still is. It's rare for me to.

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Speaker 3: Break haiti, But yeah, that's a good start a golf course.

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The South course is a little shorter.

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Speaker 4: But it's narrow.

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Speaker 3: You must go straight here to break eadya out of there.

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Speaker 5: I was that day, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I was that day.

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Speaker 5: But the views of the course, it's unlike other courses

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in the Phoenix Scottsdale area because you are up in

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the foothills. These boulders that surround the course are really

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dramatic and kind of distracting.

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Speaker 3: It's quite amazing. I've had a couple of funny comments.

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People says, well, how did you how did you truck

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in those boulders?

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Speaker 4: And I just laughed.

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Speaker 3: They were half serious. I says, no, I said, believe

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it or not. The geologists tell you it's like thirty

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million years ago. This was the bottom of an ocean

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and these granite rock croppings are just from the bottom

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of the floor of the ocean, and of course all

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the sand around it's got washed away, which has left

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this sandy Dooney kind of golf calls around these dramatic boulders.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, you'd wonder why, because you know, golf course architects

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are notorious for moving things around and changing things, but

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this one, seriously, Mourrish definitely had to work around the

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topography that was there.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and you play through some rocks and definitely down

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some ravines and around particular number one. I mean, if

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you remember, the first soil is dramatic. It's a very

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very narrow t shot and you hit to a plateau

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and then you're going downhill to a very narrow shoot

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and then one of the boulders rock crop and it's

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sitting right behind the first green, and then people just

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stop and hold up play and start taking photos. So

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it's really it's spectacular.

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Speaker 1: Thank you for reminding me.

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Speaker 5: I do remember that first haul, and I think it's

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because we started early. I didn't want to take out

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the driver and I hit my forward right in the

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middle of the fairway and was just so that downhill

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shot I bogied the whole because of a three putt.

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I made it under the green.

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Speaker 3: Well, you did it into a very wise thing, you know,

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to drive the ball straight out. The first thing a

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what I call.

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Speaker 4: A weekend golfer.

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Speaker 3: Or a traveling recreational golfer can do is to hit

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a wood with mall loft. So what you did, whether

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you did it consciously or subconsciously, or you weren't warmed up,

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when you take that forward with about eighteen twenty degrees

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of loft, you've given yourself a better chance of driving

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the ball in the fairway. And that's one of the

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strategic points that the amateur recreational golfer should consider, unless

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they're a very straight driver of the ball.

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Speaker 5: Why is it so much easier to hit the ball

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straight with the forward than with the driver.

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Speaker 3: Let's say a driver and average is ten point five

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degrees of loft, so your contact point on the back.

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Speaker 4: Of a golf ball is pretty much.

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Speaker 3: On the equator, meaning a ten degree driver is going

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to be hitting right in the back of the ball,

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which minimizes the backspin. That's one reason drivers are going

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farther because we want the trajectory to be high that

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have no spin on the ball, rather like a knuckleball

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from baseball. But if the face is open or clothes,

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you're going to impart side spin on the ball and

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the ball's going to slice our hook dramatically. But when

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you use a twenty degree lofted club, you're hitting underneath

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the equator. You're getting a little bit more backspin, which

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counteracts the side spin, which is why even the great

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players like Tiger Woods will sometimes drive with his five wood,

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hit what you call his.

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Speaker 4: Stinger, and he hits the thing much straighter.

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Speaker 3: Phil Nicholson is driving with a thirteen degree club. He's

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driving with more loss so that you can hit it straighter.

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Speaker 5: So interesting, and I just, yeah, I thought it was

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just because of the amount of the power of the

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swing that I would put behind it or something, but

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it really is. The smaller club face allows you to

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get below the equator.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's two with lost. So the short answer is

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with mall loft, you're going to hit the ball straighter,

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and then the backspin is counteracting the side spin. That's

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why you hit your nine irons straighter and you can

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hit your five iron mall. It's more forgiving, which is

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a big part of golf strategy. Chat Nicholas was terrific.

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People didn't realize as strong as long as Jack was,

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he drove with a free wood most of his career.

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People just didn't know it. You know, he just smashed

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it a mile and of course it could is the

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off line.

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Speaker 4: He didn't go as far off line. We went through

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an era.

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Speaker 3: Where they were making drivers with seven and eight degrees

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loft was It was crazy because people just they can

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get the ball in the air and b when they

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did it when sideways. But now you'll see it's become

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more progressive, more and more loft on the driver to

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hit a higher launch angle with less backspin, and that's

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the key. That's why the ball goes further now.

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Speaker 5: Well, also the materials are a lot different now that

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they're making the club heads.

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Speaker 3: With well, no question, the material too, with the tetanic

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shafts and the titanium faces and the gold you know

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covered golf balls. All of that helps for sure. But

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you've done a great job with the technology in if

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you've ever have you ever hit fred ever hit golf

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balls on a machine that that measures your impact? The

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famous one at the moment is either track man or

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flight scope. Have you ever had the opportunity to do that.

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Speaker 1: Yes, I have.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's pretty exciting because what it does it really

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measures the impact and it tells you to launch angle,

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the spin rate and your plud face as well as

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your angle of attack. These are all things that I

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call what I call the impact factors that effect how

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the ball performs. And golf is a gain to control

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the golf ball. So back to our start where we

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started the story, or on number one, it's a type

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fair way, he says, I don't if I can hit

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my driver and squeeze it through that bottleneck, which is

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the bowl of south courses, a lot of driving holes

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that you hit a forward, a little bit more offt

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a little bit more spin. You gave up two yards

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of distance and gained a lot of avacacy, so you

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improved your impact. Made a great strategic decision on that

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first team.

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Speaker 1: Well thank you, But.

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Speaker 5: Why is it you just said I get two yards difference?

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Speaker 4: Now, come on, people are all excited.

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Speaker 3: I think that the driver is going to go like

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thirty yards different. Well, it often doesn't because of this

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side skin factor. So just think some simple numbers. You

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could drive the ball two hundred yards that you're hitting

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with your face two degrees open. That's two hundred yards

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and twenty four yards of slice. So the end result

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isn't over two hundred yards is spinning sideways as well

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as going forward. You make the same mistake with a

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three wood that say, sixteen degrees a block, You're only

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going to be giving up eight yards of distance from

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the fact that the ball isn't spinning as much sideway.

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So people think, well, no, I thought my driver was

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going to go thirty yards further than my three wood,

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And the answer is no, Maybe seven or eight yards

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is about all it ends up for. Again, I'm talking

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about the recreational golf who is not hitting the perfect impact.

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So what I do when I teach.

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Speaker 4: Is I'm always trying to improve the impact.

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Speaker 3: If I can get the club to hit the ball better,

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then the result is better. I did not just blow

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your wait for about all that A lot of good

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stuff about ballistics, It just bleweat away.

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Speaker 5: I'm trying to take notes and absorb it all. I

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think that a lot of people would be willing to

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take the chance to sacrifice the slice if they can

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end up hitting their approach shot with a seven iron

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versus hitting with their hybrid.

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Speaker 3: You know?

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Speaker 1: Or is it just because we like it?

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Speaker 5: Or does it we just like to see things fly

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as far as they can.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, typically, I mean when I say you know, and

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guys in particular, men in particular, but even women say,

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what was the one thing you want to do? The

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number one thing that dolphers want is consistency. So I

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asked the question, Explain to me what consistency is. Well,

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humans as we are, I think distancy is hitting every

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shot perfect. So that's not consistent. That's perfection and you're

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not going to achieve it. So okay, so let's move

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on from consistency. What you really mean is I want

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to hit more good shots and less bad shots. Right,

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how do I do that? Well, that's probably on the

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swing mechanics. But let's tie in the game of golf

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and the strategy of hitting a little bit more loft

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than you thought necessary in order to keep the ball

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in play. So when we talk about this desert golf,

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this target golf, you've got to get what we call

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the white on green. That's the white ball on the

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green fairway. So we're back to the story of let's

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hit the forward off the tee and to make sure

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you're driving it in the fairway. So you give in

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up back to my little story, seven or eight yards

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of distance, but you've got the thing in the fairway

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rather than chopping it out of the desert scrub.

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Speaker 5: You know, not being a teacher, but by getting the

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opportunity to talk to a lot of teachers. I think

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one of the things that I've learned most important about

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how to improve my game was this quest for consistency.

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I think needs to be there needs to be a

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mindset shift on how do you deal with adversity because

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nobody and with anyone who watches the tour, consistency is

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elusive at best.

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Speaker 4: And oh, you're absolutely right, and you're.

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Speaker 5: Going to get yourself in trouble more often than not.

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The key is how do you deal with that trouble?

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Speaker 3: Great thing, I think the quote I used that I

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just gither day and the lesson is the consistency story.

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Kevin Sutherland Champions Tour player shot sixty nine on the

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Senior Tour sometime this year and his first round is

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shot fifty nine. You're always shot in his second round

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seventy five, all that's fifteen strokes worse in one round.

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That we're talking a world past player.

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Speaker 1: On the same golf course, on the same.

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Speaker 3: Golf course, the same guy one day later, with more experience,

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and you still fifteen stross worse. So that I think

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is a good story. Al always remembers, you know, can't

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always be consistent. But but you're right back. What can

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you do to handle adversity? Adversity is really learning to

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control your mishits, and that's a physical thing and an

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emotional thing. So for example, I go out and I'll

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whack it out of bounds.

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Speaker 4: I here this premise shot. Okay. So now there's a

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couple of choices. I've got one.

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Speaker 3: I could get mad, I could get frustrated or worse,

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which a lot of people listening to this would be

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doing this would start to beat themselves up. Oh I'm

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such a terrible driver, I am halpless. I you know,

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I'm no good again to this. Now it is self talk,

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and before you know it, you dig yourself a big

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hole and you fall in it. Where the champion mind

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is to say, don it, just houte it. Never mind,

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I'm going to reap to it, and I'm going to

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drive this one down the fairway, knock it on the green,

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make a burden with my second ball, and end up

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on in end up making a bogie. So as a

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mindset involved in how you play the game very important.

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Speaker 5: And when you're out on the course with some of

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your students and you do a playing lesson, which I

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think is so incredibly valuable as opposed to just working

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on somebody's swing. Are these the kind of things that

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you try to walk them through. Is how to handle

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mishits no question.

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Speaker 4: I mean I'm doing more and more of that.

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Speaker 3: I mean lesson that's mechanical lessons and more and more

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on the golf cost. And you have to have a

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pretty good handle of your own mechanics. So it's important

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that perhaps you can't fix everything. But one thing I

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stress is I want everyone to know is what is

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your natural tendency. So I'd use myself as an example.

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I tend to swing a little flat. I tend to

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hook the ball. I know that, so I work on

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trying to control how much I hook it.

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Speaker 4: And when I.

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Speaker 3: Get on the golf course, if I do hook it,

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I've got to know what can I do, not necessarily

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to fix everything, but to at least give myself a

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chance to get around the golf cost. So thread you

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and I haven't played the golf together yet, hopefully on

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your next visit to the ball as we'll get a

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chance to do that that I would look at you

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and say, here's your tendency.

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Speaker 4: So you tend to.

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Speaker 3: Do da da da da dad. Therefore, this is what

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I want you thinking. This is what I want you

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where I want you to aim on.

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Speaker 4: The golf course.

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Speaker 3: So let's say you tend to fade ball, which nine

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golfers tend to fade the driver. So the first thing

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to do is don't aim.

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Speaker 4: It down the fairway.

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Speaker 3: Aim it down the left side, because if you if

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you don't fade it, you've just got a little pull

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in a semi rough on the left side of the fairway.

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If you do fade it, you're in the middle of

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the fairway. So a lot of people who faded the

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ball don't haven't fixed the fad. But they can't telling me, well,

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I'm going to I've been working on a closed stance.

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I said, why on earth if you fade the ball,

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would you aim to the right.

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Speaker 4: What do you think?

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Speaker 1: Because they want to be able to want to be

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able to draw the ball.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, you see, that's absolutely niche. Closing your stands has

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no influence on the golf ball whatsoever.

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Speaker 4: It's the absolute big smith.

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Speaker 3: Do you know what that comes from closing your stands?

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Speaker 5: No, I was going to ask you then why would

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they possibly do that?

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Speaker 3: Okay, So here's it's all the golfers listen to this.

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Thank you golfs for listening to this.

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Speaker 4: Okay.

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Speaker 3: So this is Donald Crawley. I'm a brit I grew

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up playing golf in Britain, so and I studied under

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some of these old krusty golf prowls from way back length.

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So let's just go back one hundred years ago. One

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hundred years ago were the great players. There were all

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these Scottish guys, you know, Harry Varden, Braid, J. H. Taylor,

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then this and then bringing Bobby Jones this era. Okay,

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So they played with hickory shafted golf clubs. They played

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with a rock used to be called a good percher

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ball or the feathery terrible old golf balls. They couldn't

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get that thing to go one hundred and fifty yards.

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So between the conditions, windy Sandy golf courses, crappy equipment.

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They had to stand closed, have a very strong grip,

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swim flat around the body, used their risks a lot

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and turn over to make the ball hit these low

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running hooks. That's what they did, and they shot probably

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a great player in those years with the conditions and

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the equipment.

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Speaker 4: If they shot.

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Speaker 3: Eighty, they were a world champion. Okay, so now fast forward.

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That gets passed down. So Tommy Ama, whatever, Bobby Jones

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in particular, let's close the stance and look how Bobby

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hits this beautiful draw from a close stance. Okay, Now

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they've worked the swing coming way from the inside, fast

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forward a hundred years. You don't need to close your

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stands and start the ball out to the right and

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hit a low hook to come around. With the equipment

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you have now you can get the ball up in

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there and hit it over one hundred and fifty yards anyway.

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So let's just try this in Why doesn't the close

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stance work in.

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Speaker 4: The modern golfer.

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Speaker 3: Fred's going to go ahead and just close closes stands

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and not let the closing of the stands influence the

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swing path and allow the golf club to hit from

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the inside and close the face. All Fred does is

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closest stands and goes ahead, swinging outside and hitting a

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pull face.

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Speaker 5: Well, let's make sure that we understand what you mean

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by closing the stands.

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Speaker 1: That means that your front foot is.

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Speaker 5: Forward forward right, your back foot, the back foot, the

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one away from the target, is pulled back versus. An

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open stance is opening your body to the target.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and it's your feet, and that's the thing people

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close the stands. So typically we'll talk about the right

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handed golfers. So forgi'sk for right handed golfers and left

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it's really smart. You can flip it over. Right handed

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golfer is going to pull the right foot back. That's

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called the closed stance. But typically your feet are just

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aimed really off to the right. Now, And what you

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and most golfers don't understand is your upper body, which

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is your alignment of your arms and your shoulders, is

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what influences the swing path more than your feet. So

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even though you've closed your stands.

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Speaker 4: That's your feet.

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Speaker 3: Your upper body is typically left open. Open is to

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the left, So you can close your stance all you want,

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But if your upper body is lined up to the left,

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you will swing to the left. The influence of an

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out to in our golf swing.

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Speaker 4: Going to the left open the face, and.

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Speaker 3: The ball slices, which is why people come from me

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say normal and close the most stones and still slicing.

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And the answer and the answer is your feet have

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got nothing to do with it. Let's close your upper body,

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let's close your arms and your shoulders. Then you're on

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the right. Tractor in influences swing path, which will influence

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the club face, which will end result give you a

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chance to.

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Speaker 4: Draw the ball.

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Speaker 5: Lots of times someone will go, you know your feet

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where you know your ball went way right? And do

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you realize your feet were pointing exactly in the direction

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where your ball went And they're trying to compensate that

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with opening their shoulders. Is that what they think they're doing.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, you're right.

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Speaker 3: So actually, so let's go back. Let's go back to

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the fade of the slicer. So the fad of the slicer,

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why do they slice? Now you're going to get a

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difference of opinion. Some people would say, well, I'm hitting

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across the ball that's going to slice. Well, in reality,

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the face of the golf club if it's open to

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the swing path, the ball will fade. You're actually hitting

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at a glance in blow. Okay, So that's what is

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a slice. People don't even understand that golf crot. In fact,

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I'm doing a seminar for golf pros on September twenty

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second Hit of the Boulders, and I'm going to have

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fifty young golf professionals and they're going to not realize

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what actually causes a slice. They just don't know.

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Speaker 4: They just don't get it. Well, let me tell you.

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Speaker 3: The ball slices when the face is opened, So just

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get your mind wrapped around.

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Speaker 4: It's about the club face.

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Speaker 3: So if the face is open, you will align your

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arms and your shoulders to the left to compensate.

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Speaker 4: For that slice.

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Speaker 3: When you align your arms and shoulders to the left,

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you will produce an outside in swing. So it's like

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what came first, the chicken of the egg. Well, on

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day one you hit with the face open, the ball sliced.

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So you learn over a period of time, one year,

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two years, fifty years, to line you up some shoulders

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to the left, and now you've groove an outside in

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the swing. Then you come along and says yeah. But

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if I close my stands, if I drop my right

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foot back, I'm going to stop my slice wrong. And

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that's why it doesn't work. And I'm kind of glad

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for that, because a lot of people will have to

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keep coming to Donald Crawley and asking, oh God, my slice.

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And I promise you that closing your stands isn't the answer.

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Speaker 1: Wow, Wow, that's right.

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Speaker 3: Okay, So the answer is the true answer is and

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I do. I hope I don't sound flippant. I've got

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a dry sense of humor.

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Speaker 4: I'm a gritzer.

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Speaker 5: Remember that you're a great Wait a minute, I thought

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that accent was right from Arizona.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's very brother long lady.

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Speaker 1: He didn't sound like a local.

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Speaker 3: So all the slices, okay, lifting up slices. If you're

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slicing the ball, go and get some help, for someone

479
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:03,920
to teach you how to close the club face. Not

480
00:26:04,200 --> 00:26:09,160
your stamps, close your club face and you'll get rid

481
00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:10,160
of your slides.

482
00:26:13,319 --> 00:26:15,279
Speaker 5: So then it doesn't matter if we're playing a resort

483
00:26:15,319 --> 00:26:20,319
course that has wide open fairways or the local or

484
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:23,559
your country club, which the fairways are much narrower. And

485
00:26:23,599 --> 00:26:27,039
that's mainly the difference right between country club and resort courses.

486
00:26:27,119 --> 00:26:29,799
Speaker 1: Is how wide the fairways are, I.

487
00:26:29,720 --> 00:26:33,640
Speaker 3: Would think, and I think I think it depends where

488
00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:35,440
you go. But I hear what you're saying. I think,

489
00:26:35,720 --> 00:26:38,440
as a rule of thumb, if you're playing a narrow

490
00:26:38,559 --> 00:26:41,480
golf call so or here the boulders the south coast

491
00:26:41,599 --> 00:26:45,440
is narrower in the North coast. I do not hit

492
00:26:45,480 --> 00:26:50,200
a driver on the South coast until whole number eight.

493
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:56,920
And the reason is number one is narrow fredited.

494
00:26:56,519 --> 00:26:57,119
Speaker 4: A wide thing.

495
00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,640
Speaker 3: As I mentioned, you hit a forward, I hit a

496
00:26:59,720 --> 00:27:02,119
fair way, would off the first two get it in

497
00:27:02,160 --> 00:27:04,799
the fairway. Hole number two is a part three. Hole

498
00:27:04,920 --> 00:27:07,079
number three is a bog lean to the right. If

499
00:27:07,119 --> 00:27:09,960
I hit my driver, i'd drive it through the fairway.

500
00:27:10,319 --> 00:27:13,920
So again, I hit a fairway wood whole number four,

501
00:27:14,079 --> 00:27:19,440
I could should hit driver. So I'm sort of on

502
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,359
the fence between driver and fairway wood. Number five is

503
00:27:22,400 --> 00:27:25,200
a split fairway. You can take the gamble and hit

504
00:27:25,279 --> 00:27:29,000
the driver, or you could hit the fairry wood hybrid

505
00:27:29,519 --> 00:27:31,319
on the right side of the fairway. It's like we

506
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:34,559
call a split fairway. Number six is a short power four.

507
00:27:34,599 --> 00:27:37,880
You don't need a driver. Number seven is the part three,

508
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:39,920
and then number eight is the first one where the

509
00:27:39,960 --> 00:27:43,400
fairways opens up and it's a long power four. I

510
00:27:43,559 --> 00:27:45,880
need to hit driver so I can get home into

511
00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,759
So the strategy of the golf or the strategy of

512
00:27:49,759 --> 00:27:53,880
the game fits into what the golf course is given me.

513
00:27:56,400 --> 00:27:57,240
Speaker 1: So interesting.

514
00:27:58,279 --> 00:28:00,119
Speaker 3: So I don't know if I see if that and

515
00:28:00,200 --> 00:28:02,400
listeners here because I've never played the card. I hope

516
00:28:02,400 --> 00:28:04,319
you get to come out here and play it. I

517
00:28:04,359 --> 00:28:07,000
hope I get a chance to help you with your

518
00:28:07,039 --> 00:28:09,039
golf game. What I do a lot is what I

519
00:28:09,119 --> 00:28:12,359
call a quick fix before you play golf. So if

520
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:14,839
I see Fred and says, look, I don't have time

521
00:28:14,880 --> 00:28:18,039
to work on my game. You know I'm a busy guy.

522
00:28:18,279 --> 00:28:21,000
That help me, then I'll give you a quick what

523
00:28:21,039 --> 00:28:24,000
I call a quick fix or an allo lesson to say, Fred,

524
00:28:24,039 --> 00:28:27,839
here's your tendencies here. This is one of two things

525
00:28:27,880 --> 00:28:31,480
you could do right now without having to reinvent the wheel.

526
00:28:31,759 --> 00:28:34,720
And you can control your golf ball better, so I

527
00:28:34,720 --> 00:28:39,519
improve the impact, I improve your ballflight without.

528
00:28:39,119 --> 00:28:41,559
Speaker 4: Having to wrap your head around too many things.

529
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,119
Speaker 3: So that's the first step. Let's give you a quick

530
00:28:44,160 --> 00:28:47,119
fix on your mechanics. But then when we play golf.

531
00:28:47,559 --> 00:28:50,880
I want you thinking correctly, and I want you making

532
00:28:51,119 --> 00:28:57,519
good decisions, good strategic decisions, playing the percentage game, meaning

533
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:02,480
give yourself a chance to succeed. Don't try and thread

534
00:29:02,519 --> 00:29:05,440
that ball through a two inch hole through the trees

535
00:29:05,920 --> 00:29:08,880
when you could be pitching it over the trees and

536
00:29:08,960 --> 00:29:10,799
on the green, saying yourself the.

537
00:29:10,839 --> 00:29:14,759
Speaker 5: Scope, Well, we have our number one rule here. Never

538
00:29:14,839 --> 00:29:17,440
follow a bad shot with a stupid shot.

539
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,519
Speaker 3: That's so true, or an angry shot, which is usually

540
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:22,839
an angry hole.

541
00:29:23,039 --> 00:29:24,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, exactly.

542
00:29:26,119 --> 00:29:27,799
Speaker 5: Well, I definitely want to be able to play the

543
00:29:27,839 --> 00:29:30,680
Boulders again, because I did succeed in the South course.

544
00:29:30,720 --> 00:29:32,480
I had a good round, but it was the first time,

545
00:29:32,519 --> 00:29:34,759
and I want to now that I kind of have

546
00:29:34,839 --> 00:29:37,519
a sense of how to play that course, I want

547
00:29:37,519 --> 00:29:39,160
to go back and try it again.

548
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:44,279
Speaker 3: Yeah exactly. And then you know, one of the things

549
00:29:44,279 --> 00:29:47,319
that I stress is then I'll get a plug in here,

550
00:29:47,319 --> 00:29:49,880
and my website is called Golf Simplified.

551
00:29:50,000 --> 00:29:51,039
Speaker 1: Oh, I wasn't going to let.

552
00:29:51,039 --> 00:29:53,480
Speaker 5: You leave without discussing Golf Simplified. I wanted to go

553
00:29:53,519 --> 00:29:54,079
there next.

554
00:29:54,720 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 4: Yeah.

555
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:57,960
Speaker 3: Good, okay, good, let's let's move in there, because that's

556
00:29:58,200 --> 00:30:01,599
that's what I teach the here the boulders with the

557
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:05,839
its for Golf Symplified. I'm doing a seminar for PGA professionals.

558
00:30:05,839 --> 00:30:07,240
Speaker 4: Golf Symplify. Now that's my.

559
00:30:08,759 --> 00:30:12,559
Speaker 3: Little title to it. That's a way to describe it.

560
00:30:12,640 --> 00:30:16,279
That by for myself included, I'm ready to play a

561
00:30:16,359 --> 00:30:22,519
PGA tournament. I've got to simplify my thought process so

562
00:30:22,559 --> 00:30:25,319
that I give myself a chance to succeed.

563
00:30:24,960 --> 00:30:25,680
Speaker 4: And play better.

564
00:30:26,200 --> 00:30:28,759
Speaker 3: Not a matter of how much you think about it.

565
00:30:28,759 --> 00:30:32,200
It's a matter of what you think about and the

566
00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,359
correct thoughts.

567
00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,759
Speaker 5: So then golf Simplified for you to kind of summarize that.

568
00:30:39,799 --> 00:30:41,680
But that is the name of your school. That is

569
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:45,039
the name of your website, correct, Golfsimplified dot com.

570
00:30:45,079 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 4: Golfsimplified dot com.

571
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:47,079
Speaker 1: Excellent.

572
00:30:47,119 --> 00:30:49,319
Speaker 5: All right, Well, we'll send people there and so you

573
00:30:49,359 --> 00:30:53,559
give lessons beyond just what you offer on the website.

574
00:30:53,599 --> 00:30:55,279
If people want to come down and visit you and

575
00:30:55,359 --> 00:30:59,759
care Free Arizona, you should definitely. If you're going down there,

576
00:31:00,039 --> 00:31:02,680
I highly recommend. It is a bit of a drive

577
00:31:02,839 --> 00:31:07,799
from you from the central Scottsdale area, you're going far north,

578
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,079
but it's worth the drive. It's a beautiful drive, and

579
00:31:11,119 --> 00:31:15,279
the course is rather breathtaking compared to a lot of

580
00:31:15,319 --> 00:31:16,440
the other desert courses.

581
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:18,839
Speaker 1: It's very different than other desert courses.

582
00:31:20,680 --> 00:31:23,319
Speaker 3: It really is one of the things when I've been

583
00:31:23,359 --> 00:31:25,960
out in this what we call the Phoenix Valley since

584
00:31:26,079 --> 00:31:28,039
nineteen eighty two and me on they had two or

585
00:31:28,039 --> 00:31:31,160
three golf courses then, and then when all the resort

586
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:36,880
courses were built in the mid eighties. The Boulders is

587
00:31:37,000 --> 00:31:42,279
built with enough space that the houses don't encroach the

588
00:31:42,359 --> 00:31:46,960
golf course. What you'll find is the other golf courses

589
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,559
in this area that have a good reputation. When they

590
00:31:49,559 --> 00:31:53,319
were first designed, they were beautiful because it was just

591
00:31:53,400 --> 00:31:57,680
a golf course and desert landscape all around you. But now,

592
00:31:57,880 --> 00:32:02,119
of course the real estate they've got track homes built

593
00:32:02,240 --> 00:32:05,440
up right next to the fairway, I mean a wich.

594
00:32:05,480 --> 00:32:07,839
I've got to bias opinion about the Boulders. It's one

595
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,440
of the prettiest golf courses, both of them all, because

596
00:32:11,839 --> 00:32:14,920
you're out there and looking up foothills and you've got

597
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:18,160
a house that's one hundred yards off the fairway, not

598
00:32:18,319 --> 00:32:21,400
something right up against you. You know, the left side

599
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:24,000
of your drive and aiming points.

600
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:33,359
Speaker 5: If you like to take photographs when you're traveling going

601
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:34,160
to golf courses.

602
00:32:34,200 --> 00:32:34,799
Speaker 1: I like to do that.

603
00:32:34,839 --> 00:32:37,160
Speaker 5: I like to take pictures of golf courses. Some of

604
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,880
the courses in Arizona. You know, it's mostly sky. It's

605
00:32:40,920 --> 00:32:42,960
it's very flat. You know, there's not a lot of

606
00:32:43,000 --> 00:32:47,200
excitement except of a couple of swarow cactus. But the photographs,

607
00:32:47,200 --> 00:32:48,759
and I'm going to put a couple of mine up.

608
00:32:48,799 --> 00:32:53,920
The photographs from the from the Boulders South Course are

609
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,559
so dramatic. I think one of my favorite ones was

610
00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:00,640
the giant swarrow cactus right in the center of a bunker.

611
00:33:01,759 --> 00:33:04,400
Speaker 3: Oh, that'll be numbers whole number seven. Yeah right, Yeah,

612
00:33:04,480 --> 00:33:07,759
you've got this beautiful. Actually, that hole is probably the

613
00:33:07,759 --> 00:33:11,319
most photograph because you've got a massive whole boulder where

614
00:33:11,359 --> 00:33:13,039
I don't know if you've played what piece did you

615
00:33:13,039 --> 00:33:14,799
play for You played the white teeth.

616
00:33:14,839 --> 00:33:17,880
Speaker 1: We played the white copper combo.

617
00:33:18,400 --> 00:33:20,680
Speaker 4: O the white coup comb up there, which is one hundred.

618
00:33:20,480 --> 00:33:23,279
Speaker 5: And twenty five slope, So the heart the back teams

619
00:33:23,279 --> 00:33:25,079
were about one hundred and forty slope. That was about

620
00:33:25,079 --> 00:33:27,039
one hundred and twenty five. That's more of where our

621
00:33:27,039 --> 00:33:27,480
game is.

622
00:33:28,119 --> 00:33:30,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, which is good. I mean, you know, the

623
00:33:30,480 --> 00:33:34,000
whole national push t play the tee for would makes sense.

624
00:33:34,039 --> 00:33:36,559
So you play a golf course. It doesn't matter which

625
00:33:36,559 --> 00:33:39,720
teas as long as you enjoy it. Whereas my mind

626
00:33:39,839 --> 00:33:41,839
was going on that whole you were referring to the

627
00:33:42,240 --> 00:33:47,119
blue teeth is elevated, which gives you an incredible view.

628
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:49,319
It just made the whole heart of its elevated. And

629
00:33:49,440 --> 00:33:52,400
you stood on the top of the big boulders you know,

630
00:33:52,359 --> 00:33:55,799
i'd say millions of years old that all the sandy

631
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,039
is washed around from them. It looks like it's going

632
00:33:58,119 --> 00:34:01,240
to tipple over. And you play from that key to

633
00:34:01,319 --> 00:34:03,920
the whole. We all referrence to the green and then

634
00:34:04,000 --> 00:34:07,079
on the right side in the bunker there's this massive

635
00:34:07,319 --> 00:34:11,760
sorrel cactusy in that which is it. It's a beautiful view.

636
00:34:11,840 --> 00:34:15,760
Unfortunately I keep getting by ball behind itself. I'm not

637
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:17,360
sure I like it too well.

638
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:19,440
Speaker 1: It's the only hole I double bogie that day.

639
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:21,679
Speaker 4: There you go.

640
00:34:22,480 --> 00:34:24,199
Speaker 3: Why you remember the cactus.

641
00:34:23,920 --> 00:34:24,760
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly.

642
00:34:25,119 --> 00:34:27,280
Speaker 5: But I also want to mention that, you know, you

643
00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:29,639
you talked about the homes in the residential area that

644
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,639
was built up, but there's a magnificent resort at the

645
00:34:32,639 --> 00:34:36,559
Boulders as well. It's not it's a great destination place

646
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:40,639
that you can get away, get some you know, some

647
00:34:40,800 --> 00:34:43,679
great rest, but also two rounds of golf right there

648
00:34:43,679 --> 00:34:45,599
on the property. Yeah.

649
00:34:45,760 --> 00:34:49,079
Speaker 3: It's there's one hundred and sixty two caroceeders, which is

650
00:34:49,440 --> 00:34:53,239
it's not a high rise of hotel than a block.

651
00:34:53,440 --> 00:34:56,440
And it's these casitas that are scattered around actually on

652
00:34:56,480 --> 00:35:00,400
the south course, so you get like your own middle

653
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:05,320
apartment and they just they're real wonderful because they're so unobtrusive.

654
00:35:05,480 --> 00:35:06,320
Speaker 4: And then you can.

655
00:35:06,199 --> 00:35:09,280
Speaker 3: Walk right from the casino, you know, down to the

656
00:35:09,360 --> 00:35:12,920
back first go out to the golf course. It's in fact,

657
00:35:12,960 --> 00:35:15,800
I found this place years ago and I played it.

658
00:35:15,880 --> 00:35:18,480
I says, well, it's a beautiful place. And then I

659
00:35:18,559 --> 00:35:22,519
came on my adversary before I started working here eleven

660
00:35:22,599 --> 00:35:24,559
years ago, and so and I it just had a

661
00:35:24,559 --> 00:35:27,519
real weekend what we call it a staycation, and we

662
00:35:27,679 --> 00:35:31,639
just came, you know, an hour drive away and stayed

663
00:35:31,679 --> 00:35:32,519
here for a couple of nights.

664
00:35:32,519 --> 00:35:33,320
Speaker 4: And it's beautiful.

665
00:35:33,519 --> 00:35:35,880
Speaker 3: And I'm a golf course or it's like usually I

666
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:38,760
don't go vacationing on golf results, but it really is.

667
00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,599
It's fabulous. It's a great place to stay. It's a

668
00:35:42,639 --> 00:35:45,880
one stop shop. You don't have to jump into into

669
00:35:46,000 --> 00:35:48,519
cars and drive to the golf course. You just jump

670
00:35:48,559 --> 00:35:51,039
on a golf cart and get a shuttle away to

671
00:35:51,119 --> 00:35:52,000
the first tea and.

672
00:35:52,119 --> 00:35:52,519
Speaker 4: Off you go.

673
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 5: Well, that's a very nice testimony for a golf professional

674
00:35:57,760 --> 00:35:59,960
who's like, yeah, I'm going to stay at a golf course.

675
00:36:00,079 --> 00:36:07,199
That's pretty rare. Well, I also want to congratulate you. You've

676
00:36:06,440 --> 00:36:12,079
received some great accolation on your golf instruction. You've been

677
00:36:12,159 --> 00:36:16,079
named PGA Teacher of the Year by various magazines and

678
00:36:16,119 --> 00:36:22,119
in Arizona. That's also a testimony to what a great

679
00:36:22,119 --> 00:36:22,800
teacher you are.

680
00:36:23,800 --> 00:36:25,960
Speaker 3: Well, you know, thank you, very kind of you. I

681
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:29,920
generally say that, fortunately for me in my business, if

682
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:33,840
you get results, if you help people, then those kind

683
00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,760
of awards seem to follow. And I've been fortunate that

684
00:36:36,760 --> 00:36:39,800
I've been on the national Top one hundred teacher list

685
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:43,639
for twenty years and then I've had PGA Teacher the

686
00:36:43,719 --> 00:36:46,920
Year twice and some other little accolades, And it's all

687
00:36:46,960 --> 00:36:50,159
based on me helping you. If Fred comes to play

688
00:36:50,239 --> 00:36:52,559
golf and I help you a little bit, whether I

689
00:36:52,599 --> 00:36:55,960
just help you thought process your routine, get rid of

690
00:36:56,000 --> 00:36:58,480
a little bit of a fade, or more importantly, get

691
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:01,039
you to shoot a rower number because we work on

692
00:37:01,119 --> 00:37:04,519
your show game and Fred remembers me and then sends

693
00:37:04,519 --> 00:37:07,719
in a nice note on trip Advisor whatever, and suddenly

694
00:37:08,119 --> 00:37:10,800
that the powers to be say, you know, you must

695
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,719
know what you're doing, and to give me a nice award.

696
00:37:13,880 --> 00:37:19,239
So it's very rewarding and it keeps me honest and

697
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,679
working hard to try and help people improve the game.

698
00:37:22,760 --> 00:37:24,840
I'm still a golf not so I still trying to

699
00:37:24,880 --> 00:37:27,599
get better. So as long as you express that, then

700
00:37:28,039 --> 00:37:29,480
those kind of trophies follow.

701
00:37:30,440 --> 00:37:34,599
Speaker 1: And golf simplified to me is very similar to golf

702
00:37:34,639 --> 00:37:39,000
smarter in that my sense, what you're trying to teach

703
00:37:39,719 --> 00:37:42,039
is that it's not at all about your mechanics, that

704
00:37:42,119 --> 00:37:46,239
there's a way to get lower scores, and there's a

705
00:37:46,320 --> 00:37:49,880
simple way for you to teach how to lower scores

706
00:37:49,920 --> 00:37:52,280
that's not just focusing on banging balls all day.

707
00:37:53,119 --> 00:37:56,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's exactly right. Golf smarter. You've got it right, Fred,

708
00:37:56,079 --> 00:37:58,880
because it is is being smarter, and he's thinking, as

709
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,440
they say, golf is about a routine, making sure you're

710
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:06,800
in a consistent routine, which will help improve your consistency.

711
00:38:07,039 --> 00:38:10,360
So even if your mechanics aren't perfect, you can still

712
00:38:10,400 --> 00:38:13,719
control your golf ball and you can still keep your

713
00:38:13,719 --> 00:38:17,199
ball in play. But once you get within fifty yards,

714
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:21,239
that's where the rubber really meets the role. You've got

715
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,800
to be able to chip and put it well in

716
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order to score. When I do articles and I write.

717
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Speaker 4: About who's won what, and we think it's because.

718
00:38:32,280 --> 00:38:35,800
Speaker 3: They drive the ball three hundred and twenty yards, here's

719
00:38:35,800 --> 00:38:39,800
a quick thing about scoring. Bubba Watson, who's a I

720
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:43,519
can't say as a friend that Elisia, so I see indication. Anyway,

721
00:38:43,559 --> 00:38:46,039
Bubba hits the ball three hundred and fifty yards and

722
00:38:46,079 --> 00:38:49,639
it's ridiculous how far Pubber can hit it. What people

723
00:38:49,679 --> 00:38:55,480
don't realize is Bubber is the best long what we

724
00:38:55,599 --> 00:39:00,639
call a lag padder on tour this year, which means

725
00:39:00,719 --> 00:39:04,159
is Bubba Watson has had the least amount of three

726
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:08,559
putts of anyone else. But we don't remember that. We

727
00:39:08,559 --> 00:39:11,199
remember Brother eighty three fifty, the Butther, the heck of

728
00:39:11,199 --> 00:39:17,440
a Tutter, Tiger Woods, Tom Watson, Jack Nicholas. They're great players.

729
00:39:17,480 --> 00:39:20,039
They were the best tutters ever walks on the face

730
00:39:20,079 --> 00:39:20,599
of the earth.

731
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Speaker 5: I got a good one for you, and I think

732
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,199
I know you have to run. You have a lesson

733
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:30,480
coming up. But Tiger Woods is needing a coach. If

734
00:39:30,960 --> 00:39:33,079
Tiger Woods were to reach out to you, it's like, hey,

735
00:39:33,119 --> 00:39:35,320
you know, Bubba told me that you teach over there,

736
00:39:35,360 --> 00:39:38,639
and I'm heading out. I'm visiting Bubba hanging out, and

737
00:39:38,760 --> 00:39:41,679
he was interested in looking for coach. He's looking to

738
00:39:41,840 --> 00:39:44,599
hire somebody. And he called you, what would you tell

739
00:39:44,719 --> 00:39:46,800
me you thought his issue was and how you would

740
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help him.

741
00:39:48,199 --> 00:39:51,599
Speaker 3: Well, I've been quoted saying this, the Fosso all quoted

742
00:39:51,639 --> 00:39:56,000
again online and Tiger will probably black blacklist and if

743
00:39:56,039 --> 00:39:56,960
he hears this, oh.

744
00:39:56,880 --> 00:39:58,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, Tiger is going to listen to this show.

745
00:39:58,679 --> 00:40:03,880
Speaker 3: Right. It's amazing he's got He's got a hold camp that.

746
00:40:04,000 --> 00:40:04,960
Speaker 4: Finds out this stuff.

747
00:40:05,000 --> 00:40:09,599
Speaker 3: And Tiger my opinion, my young opinion, is Tiger's mechanics

748
00:40:09,679 --> 00:40:12,519
plant the issue. I tell you what, He's had good

749
00:40:12,559 --> 00:40:18,239
instructors his whole life, his father, he's had the gentleman

750
00:40:19,679 --> 00:40:22,079
that the guy from California told him during I forgotten

751
00:40:22,079 --> 00:40:25,840
his name then. But Butcher's a close personal friend is

752
00:40:25,840 --> 00:40:28,840
a terrific teacher, did a great job. Hank Haney is

753
00:40:28,840 --> 00:40:31,719
a close friend. Hank did a terrific job with him.

754
00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:35,719
Sean Foley has done his thing in the last two

755
00:40:35,760 --> 00:40:40,280
or three years. But Tiger's mechanics, it's Tiger's body. The

756
00:40:40,440 --> 00:40:45,800
question is can Tiger's body, you know, hang on it

757
00:40:46,039 --> 00:40:47,519
and you're not going he handle it?

758
00:40:47,880 --> 00:40:49,119
Speaker 4: Because Tiger can.

759
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:52,599
Speaker 3: Do whatever he wants to do. He's so talented. If

760
00:40:52,639 --> 00:40:55,840
he wants to swing flattener around his body with the

761
00:40:55,880 --> 00:40:59,280
closed face, he's still with Lady Championships. If he wants

762
00:40:59,320 --> 00:41:02,480
to steep and it playing a little bit and start

763
00:41:02,519 --> 00:41:04,960
aiming like and trying to cut the ball and do that,

764
00:41:05,559 --> 00:41:06,639
you can know every once.

765
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Speaker 4: It's so talented.

766
00:41:08,039 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 3: But will his body hold up to it? Will his

767
00:41:10,639 --> 00:41:14,679
knee allow him to rotate through? Now he's got back

768
00:41:14,800 --> 00:41:18,280
and knee issues with fault. I really have emphasis of

769
00:41:18,400 --> 00:41:22,880
people with back, knee and his issues because you've got

770
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,719
those joints that take a lot of stress. So if

771
00:41:25,760 --> 00:41:28,840
Tiger called me as a Tiger, we need to get

772
00:41:28,880 --> 00:41:32,039
your body in as good as shape as possible, not

773
00:41:32,079 --> 00:41:34,239
a matter of change in your swing playing.

774
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Speaker 5: Yeah, but this is a guy who has you know,

775
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:41,679
he's very dedicated to his workouts. He has you know,

776
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:46,320
he's changed the style of body for a golfer. What

777
00:41:46,639 --> 00:41:49,239
specifically would you have him work on? What would you

778
00:41:49,280 --> 00:41:50,239
tell him?

779
00:41:50,639 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's not about mechanics, it's not about his play

780
00:41:53,079 --> 00:41:55,400
and stuff. I mean, you know, because Butch had one thing.

781
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:56,239
Speaker 4: But then Butch.

782
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Speaker 3: Basically shortened his golf swing because Tiger's swing used to

783
00:41:59,320 --> 00:42:02,960
be too much across the line with the face closed Tiger,

784
00:42:03,079 --> 00:42:05,679
and but shortened him up and that helped. But then

785
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:08,639
hank can I agree one hundred percent? He actually had

786
00:42:08,639 --> 00:42:11,880
the face closed and the swing was too inside and up,

787
00:42:11,920 --> 00:42:14,960
and so he rounded it, flattened it with the face

788
00:42:15,079 --> 00:42:19,400
all open, which helped. And then Sean Folly felt that

789
00:42:19,480 --> 00:42:21,880
he was too much around and open, so then he

790
00:42:22,519 --> 00:42:25,440
bent him over all and steeped in the plane, particularly

791
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:27,559
with the plane of his shoulder tents. So they've been

792
00:42:27,639 --> 00:42:32,719
changing some mechanics. The Tiger needs to get healthy and

793
00:42:32,920 --> 00:42:35,400
b get his tuter back to where it used to be.

794
00:42:35,719 --> 00:42:39,639
And both Butch and Hanker told me he would spend

795
00:42:40,119 --> 00:42:43,920
hours upon hours working on chipping and Paddy he's had

796
00:42:43,960 --> 00:42:48,360
the greatest shot game since seven ballastra. So Tiger, what

797
00:42:48,360 --> 00:42:51,719
we're going to do, get you healthy and let's get

798
00:42:51,760 --> 00:42:53,559
that short game ranked up.

799
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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 3: The one thing I would say with the mechanics is

801
00:42:57,000 --> 00:43:00,559
his big fear still is a driver.

802
00:43:01,760 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 4: And I'd have a.

803
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:08,039
Speaker 3: Feeling about the driver. The way he's going about it.

804
00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:11,519
There's one mechanical thing i'd have him trying to do

805
00:43:11,639 --> 00:43:12,280
with his driver.

806
00:43:18,719 --> 00:43:21,360
Speaker 5: Do you sense that he's not confident with his driver

807
00:43:21,400 --> 00:43:22,320
when he steps up with it?

808
00:43:23,039 --> 00:43:23,360
Speaker 4: Oh?

809
00:43:23,440 --> 00:43:26,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, I no, he's not confident with his driver. No,

810
00:43:26,719 --> 00:43:27,400
he's fearful.

811
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Speaker 4: We all have.

812
00:43:28,679 --> 00:43:31,639
Speaker 3: We all fear and miss. I thought Hanks that everyone

813
00:43:31,679 --> 00:43:33,559
might do. But hanged a good book of called The

814
00:43:33,599 --> 00:43:36,039
Big Miss. And of course it depends on how you

815
00:43:36,079 --> 00:43:37,719
interpret it. I thought it was very good. I thought

816
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,360
it was it was on his opinion of what he

817
00:43:40,559 --> 00:43:43,719
experienced with six years with Tiger. But the Big Miss

818
00:43:43,840 --> 00:43:45,960
was right. Tiger is trying to put what we call

819
00:43:46,119 --> 00:43:48,920
double crossly, which is to pull hook it. So if

820
00:43:48,920 --> 00:43:51,320
you set up down the left side to hit a

821
00:43:51,360 --> 00:43:54,760
fade and then you hit a hook, you are royally

822
00:43:54,920 --> 00:43:56,320
screwed for the rest.

823
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Speaker 1: Of the day. Yes, you are.

824
00:43:59,119 --> 00:44:02,519
Speaker 3: You are so fearful of the left side and I

825
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:07,119
believe that Tiger is fearful of that miss and then

826
00:44:07,280 --> 00:44:11,159
compensates because he's human. It's what I'd like to do

827
00:44:11,199 --> 00:44:13,360
with something a little different with his with his driver

828
00:44:13,519 --> 00:44:17,400
and get him drive any better. But you know you

829
00:44:17,440 --> 00:44:20,599
have to get into his cany body hold up what

830
00:44:20,639 --> 00:44:23,039
he really wants to do, and maybe he can't, and

831
00:44:23,119 --> 00:44:24,119
maybe the only time.

832
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:24,519
Speaker 4: To knows that.

833
00:44:25,119 --> 00:44:27,400
Speaker 3: So I suppose I'll never get the privilege to find

834
00:44:27,440 --> 00:44:30,559
out what he physically can and can't do until you

835
00:44:30,599 --> 00:44:33,119
work with him one on one, when you know there's

836
00:44:33,159 --> 00:44:35,920
no cameras and recordings around him.

837
00:44:36,480 --> 00:44:39,119
Speaker 5: So would you advise him to try to be a

838
00:44:39,159 --> 00:44:41,800
little more patient about his recovery of his injuries? Is

839
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,920
that what you're talking about his body? Is that just

840
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,840
just take some more time off. You're not fully healed

841
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:48,760
yet right.

842
00:44:49,199 --> 00:44:51,960
Speaker 3: Oh now, it's been off looking in the last three years.

843
00:44:51,960 --> 00:44:56,480
He's hardly played, what between his personal issues and then injury,

844
00:44:56,840 --> 00:44:59,599
he's hardly played the last three years. But I don't

845
00:44:59,599 --> 00:45:01,400
think he can came back too soon. But I'm not

846
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:05,079
sure that whatever surgery has had or with therapy has

847
00:45:05,119 --> 00:45:07,920
had that is recovered. But I don't think Tiger is

848
00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:11,440
particular issues or plenty of time to rest. But I

849
00:45:11,440 --> 00:45:13,119
wish I could go back and quote at the top

850
00:45:13,159 --> 00:45:13,519
of my head.

851
00:45:13,559 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 4: But it's like, how.

852
00:45:14,199 --> 00:45:17,039
Speaker 3: Many weeks is he played? He was offered us eight

853
00:45:17,079 --> 00:45:18,920
months and then back for two months, and then off

854
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:21,480
for three months, and no, I think the guy needs

855
00:45:21,480 --> 00:45:24,599
to play. And Tiger what used to do? He used

856
00:45:24,639 --> 00:45:29,440
to play himself into a tournament. He would practice thirty

857
00:45:29,519 --> 00:45:33,599
six holes a day on the week before the tournament.

858
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:38,239
He would play himself into shape, which I think is

859
00:45:38,360 --> 00:45:41,920
terrific because he shows he wasn't working on his mechanics

860
00:45:41,920 --> 00:45:45,800
and fiddling with his face path and angle and stuff.

861
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:48,079
He was just out there playing the game as he

862
00:45:48,239 --> 00:45:50,559
knows it, which I think is terrific. And there's a

863
00:45:50,880 --> 00:45:55,440
testimony for you and I talking about golf smarter, golf, simplified.

864
00:45:55,559 --> 00:45:59,079
Tiger Woods is the ultimate smartest guy. I don't know

865
00:45:59,079 --> 00:46:02,159
about the simplest, the smartest guy, just like John Nicholas was.

866
00:46:02,920 --> 00:46:06,760
That's why they were major tournaments, fascinating. They learned to

867
00:46:06,800 --> 00:46:09,880
they learned to play the game. So I don't think

868
00:46:09,920 --> 00:46:12,760
telling Tiger patients would work. I don't think we can

869
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,480
fire you in the first second if you said Tiger

870
00:46:16,119 --> 00:46:16,679
the patient.

871
00:46:19,079 --> 00:46:21,480
Speaker 5: I don't think i'd get the conversation far enough into

872
00:46:21,559 --> 00:46:22,760
it to allow him to fire me.

873
00:46:25,119 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, so the next time I bump into Tiger, I'll

874
00:46:27,519 --> 00:46:30,000
tell him to call Fred Green and golf smarter and

875
00:46:30,079 --> 00:46:32,039
he'll probably he'll probably rut on the front.

876
00:46:31,880 --> 00:46:36,360
Speaker 5: You right, Yeah, he'll keep walking right by you anyway,

877
00:46:37,440 --> 00:46:38,679
Well if you're headed there.

878
00:46:38,960 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 3: But well, I was just thinking, okay, So so Fred says,

879
00:46:42,039 --> 00:46:45,960
it's been a wonderful conversation. I'm teaching a young golf

880
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:50,920
professional from Mexico City. He is a wonderful golfer and

881
00:46:51,119 --> 00:46:56,280
he is one shot away for as interviewing him on

882
00:46:56,320 --> 00:46:59,199
our next podcast, because he's going to be out there.

883
00:46:59,079 --> 00:46:59,800
Speaker 4: On the mainstream.

884
00:47:00,079 --> 00:47:05,320
Speaker 3: He's currently playing the PGA Latin American Tour, which is

885
00:47:05,360 --> 00:47:08,800
the feeding to the web dot Com, which is the

886
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:13,440
feeding the PGA Tour. So he is getting ready to

887
00:47:13,440 --> 00:47:16,679
go and play the second half of the Latin American Tour,

888
00:47:17,480 --> 00:47:20,400
and I've got to get in shave about one stroke

889
00:47:20,480 --> 00:47:23,880
off around and then that way he'll be on web

890
00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,400
dot Com next year. Then they'll be on PGA Tour

891
00:47:26,480 --> 00:47:30,400
the next year. So in two years, I can take

892
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:33,440
my golf simplified on the road on the tour, traveling

893
00:47:33,519 --> 00:47:37,480
with my young friend JD Fernandez.

894
00:47:37,840 --> 00:47:40,599
Speaker 1: So uhh, that's what I was going to Jd for

895
00:47:41,559 --> 00:47:42,079
looking up.

896
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:43,239
Speaker 4: He's a young man.

897
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 3: He's a terrific guy. I've been working with him for

898
00:47:46,159 --> 00:47:48,760
four years. He keeps putting up with me. His golf

899
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:52,360
swing is terrific and you see him swaying and people

900
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:54,920
think it's Rolly mckelwroy. So I sent his video to

901
00:47:54,960 --> 00:47:57,039
a couple of my friends, like Butch and Hank, and

902
00:47:57,079 --> 00:47:58,679
I said, take a look at me, give me a

903
00:47:58,679 --> 00:48:01,159
second opinion of my You know, what do you see here?

904
00:48:01,599 --> 00:48:04,159
And he said he teaching Rory. I said, no, I wish,

905
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:06,079
but he does look like him and he swings like

906
00:48:06,159 --> 00:48:08,800
him too, so we've got to get him. He's a

907
00:48:08,800 --> 00:48:11,760
couple of strokes away from Rory is a game, but

908
00:48:12,159 --> 00:48:14,400
only one stroke away from being out there at least

909
00:48:14,440 --> 00:48:16,960
competing on a on the on the big platform.

910
00:48:17,199 --> 00:48:20,360
Speaker 1: So I, oh, well, good luck with him. That sounds.

911
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:21,559
We'll definitely keep an.

912
00:48:21,440 --> 00:48:22,480
Speaker 4: Eye on him, as you can tell.

913
00:48:22,519 --> 00:48:25,840
Speaker 3: I mean, I love this guy and he's working hard.

914
00:48:25,840 --> 00:48:26,320
Speaker 4: So I'm going to.

915
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:29,280
Speaker 3: Work with him today. He'll jump on a plane and

916
00:48:29,320 --> 00:48:32,039
then he'll be down in South America for you know,

917
00:48:32,920 --> 00:48:34,719
three weeks at a time, and they come home for a

918
00:48:34,760 --> 00:48:37,039
week and he's doing ees on top. You know. Then

919
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:39,719
you know I'm rude him for him, you know, because

920
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:41,559
I'm his coach. But this is a good kid, So

921
00:48:41,599 --> 00:48:42,360
I hope he makes it.

922
00:48:42,920 --> 00:48:43,880
Speaker 4: He's got the ability.

923
00:48:44,199 --> 00:48:46,199
Speaker 5: I hope you will come back on the show sometime.

924
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:49,400
I've really enjoyed, I've learned a tremendous amount and enjoyed

925
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:50,039
speaking to you.

926
00:48:50,079 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 1: Will you come back sometimes?

927
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:54,599
Speaker 3: I sure that it would be my pleasure. Fred, thank

928
00:48:54,679 --> 00:48:59,159
you for having me and golf. Everyone listening golf, Smarter golf.

929
00:48:59,519 --> 00:49:01,360
Speaker 4: Since this alright, come and visit me at the.

930
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:05,280
Speaker 3: Boulders and keep listening into Stress podcast. It's good stuff

931
00:49:05,320 --> 00:49:07,320
and I hope I got another opportunity to chatch a

932
00:49:07,360 --> 00:49:07,960
little bit more