Speaker 1: All right, you've pressed start and we are on our
Speaker 1: way to another Earth Ancients podcast.
Speaker 2: Hi.
Speaker 1: This is Cliff, your host, and I hope you're doing
Speaker 1: well today. I am preparing to leave for Yucatan next
Speaker 1: Thursday the eighth. I'm gonna leave a day early, just
Speaker 1: because I like to settle in and get ready for
Speaker 1: people who show up. That is gonna be a fun tour.
Speaker 1: I have not been to Yucatan, Mexico since the pandemic,
Speaker 1: and I'm gonna be joined by Mimo Gonzalez, who is
Speaker 1: a second generation tour guide, and he has all kinds
Speaker 1: of stuff to tell me. The archaeological parks are still
Speaker 1: there that she needs, ushmo Ek Balaam, the black Jaguar,
Speaker 1: the whole punk route, which is the Saylo and Labna,
Speaker 1: just some of the most beautiful and elegant Mayan cities
Speaker 1: in all of the Maya domain. That's that's north of
Speaker 1: the North Yucatan. And what we're discovering is, and this
Speaker 1: is something I've been wanting to have happened in a
Speaker 1: while for a while, is that they are just they're
Speaker 1: doing more lightar scans, this very special laser scanning of
Speaker 1: the you could call it biasphere, the jungle area that
Speaker 1: surrounds these Mayan cities that I have just mentioned, and
Speaker 1: what they're discovering is the similar kind of a layout
Speaker 1: that we find in Guatemala, which are city after city
Speaker 1: after city. Now, lightar is a wonderful tool for archaeologists
Speaker 1: and it's revolutionized archaeological research for this simple reason that
Speaker 1: they can fly a drone or a plane or a
Speaker 1: helicopter over a region, shoot this laser down. It removes
Speaker 1: the foliage, just the bushes, the trees, the moss, even
Speaker 1: up to a couple of feet of groundcover and reveal
Speaker 1: these buildings. And they're uncovering layers and layers and cities
Speaker 1: next to cities. I would love to see Ina, the
Speaker 1: archaeological community of Mexico do a thorough scan and really
Speaker 1: let the cat out of the bag, because I have
Speaker 1: known for a couple decades, based on the contact that
Speaker 1: I've had with elders, the Mayan elders in that region,
Speaker 1: that there are cities littered everywhere. And we know this
Speaker 1: not only because of the sock bees, which are the
Speaker 1: white roads that connect these cities that have been in
Speaker 1: a in existence for thousands of years, but also because
Speaker 1: there are documents, historical records when the conquistadors of Spanish
Speaker 1: came and began settling in there and conquering the Maya
Speaker 1: in the fifteen hundreds. So this is very important data.
Speaker 1: I am excited again because I haven't been down there.
Speaker 1: If you can, it's a very inexpensive trip to fly
Speaker 1: from the United States to Mexico, and then you just
Speaker 1: take a cab or you take a car and you
Speaker 1: go to these places. And when you enter these archaeological parks,
Speaker 1: they're wonderful. They are well preserved. Some of the bigger
Speaker 1: locations like Chichen Eats and Ushmo have been pains takingly
Speaker 1: excavated and what they call consolidated so that the buildings
Speaker 1: are as good as they can get them.
Speaker 3: Up until.
Speaker 1: Fifteen years ago, you could actually climb these pyramids. Why
Speaker 1: they don't allow people to even touch the buildings that
Speaker 1: Chichenisa is very very sad. There's a lot of discussion.
Speaker 1: I think one of the bigger issues now is that
Speaker 1: because of this Maya train that swings right by Chichenisa
Speaker 1: has a stop there. They're looking at millions of more
Speaker 1: people entering these sacred areas, and so they're just coordinating
Speaker 1: everything off, which is kind of a it's not a
Speaker 1: great thing. It's not because you need to connect with
Speaker 1: these places. And one of the things that we'll be
Speaker 1: talking about on this tour is the energy. Now we
Speaker 1: now know by through NASA and people like John Burke
Speaker 1: that the older pyramids are active, meaning that they're sitting
Speaker 1: on tolluric energy fields which are part of lay lines.
Speaker 1: What we I don't know, and I'd love for somebody
Speaker 1: to begin studying this again, is why they would run
Speaker 1: channels of water underneath these pyramids and the lay lands.
Speaker 1: There's some chemical component, there's some combustion, there's some electric
Speaker 1: energy magnification that's going on inside these pyramids, and then
Speaker 1: they're bursting forth with this tilleric energy. Some people believe
Speaker 1: that Tesla, in his Warningcliffe tower that he built, had
Speaker 1: the idea that the atmosphere could be charged with electricity
Speaker 1: and that you could power all kinds of not only
Speaker 1: was it good for communication, but you could power all
Speaker 1: kinds of vehicles with this energy. And the thinking is
Speaker 1: that this is what the Maya did. Now, we're not
Speaker 1: saying that the Maya had craft that flew and drove
Speaker 1: on the sockbies. But I do believe that they did
Speaker 1: have the wheel. I think the mile we're more into
Speaker 1: the energetics of Tuller energy fields, and we're using it
Speaker 1: to enhance their cognition, perhaps physical health, and I mean
Speaker 1: on a real extreme thought possibility, on a high end level.
Speaker 1: Perhaps they were channeling by locating, doing all kinds of
Speaker 1: stuff when it comes to using power. Now we're going
Speaker 1: to be speaking to Paul Anthony Wallace today, who has
Speaker 1: written the Eden series. We're going to focus on Escaping
Speaker 1: from Eating his first book that came out in twenty twenty.
Speaker 1: He is of the belief that aliens came and not
Speaker 1: only created us through a hybridization program, but that much
Speaker 1: of our history, most notably in the Bible, can betributed
Speaker 1: to alien interaction. Now this is not Eric Donnegan ancient aliens.
Speaker 1: This is more religious side of it. Remember, if you
Speaker 1: don't know who Paul Wallace's will know about, we'll hear
Speaker 1: about him later today. But he's an archdeacon, former archdeacon,
Speaker 1: church doctor in Australia, and so he fell upon some
Speaker 1: data that we're going to hear about today and it
Speaker 1: helped him reinterpret Genesis and also other sections of the
Speaker 1: Bible in a new way. Some people feel its a
Speaker 1: revolutionary way. I have, as you know, have a challenge
Speaker 1: with ancient aliens because I think they go a little
Speaker 1: too extreme and anything that can't be explained as the
Speaker 1: work of aliens. I'm more with Graham Hancock, which is
Speaker 1: there was an epic or there was an epoch where
Speaker 1: Earth humans were very advanced and could create pyramids that
Speaker 1: generated energy, use that energy in a certain way, you know.
Speaker 1: And the thing is we read about the vamanas. How
Speaker 1: did the vimanas? How were they powered? Were they powered
Speaker 1: through turillerg energy? Where they powered through mercury? Some people
Speaker 1: believe that they were powered through mercury engines.
Speaker 3: We don't know.
Speaker 1: Until if somebody finds one of these things. Now, when
Speaker 1: someone uncovers of Amana, if that ever happens, that's going
Speaker 1: to change everything. So we can only cross our fingers.
Speaker 1: So this trip into Mexico, I will be chronicling with
Speaker 1: my new camera, so I'll bring back photos of some
Speaker 1: of the new unveilings. They've done some excavations at Ushmol,
Speaker 1: They've done some re open some sections of Labna and
Speaker 1: sail in the golf portion of the Peninsula, and then
Speaker 1: we're going to go to a new area of ek
Speaker 1: Baalam that they've discovered with some fascinating figurines, stucco figurines
Speaker 1: that have just been on Earth. They found a whole
Speaker 1: what they call apartment section that has wall figurines that
Speaker 1: are just beautiful, just fabulous. So I'll report back to
Speaker 1: you on that. I want to also mention that we
Speaker 1: have now filled our Repanui Easter Island tour March fifteenth
Speaker 1: to twenty third. If you are on the fence about
Speaker 1: joining us, what you need to do is send me
Speaker 1: an email, send it to send it to earth Ancients
Speaker 1: for you at gmail dot com and say Cliff I'd
Speaker 1: like to join you. We're going to create a small
Speaker 1: waiting list and we will open the door for probably
Speaker 1: a handful of three to five more people who want
Speaker 1: to join us. If you want to know about that
Speaker 1: tour again, it's March fifteenth to the twenty third, twenty
Speaker 1: twenty five. You can go to earth Ancients dot com
Speaker 1: forward slash tours and see the entire itinerary. And this
Speaker 1: is a special group. It's a small group of about
Speaker 1: twenty plus people that will be led by doctor Ed Barnhard,
Speaker 1: who is going to show us some very unusual and
Speaker 1: also off the beaten path sites on Easter Island and
Speaker 1: we're gonna have a blast. I'm really really looking forward
Speaker 1: to it. So again, if you're interested in that tour,
Speaker 1: you won't be hearing any more ads about it because
Speaker 1: we're full. But we are taking a handful of additional people,
Speaker 1: almost a first come first sort of get on the
Speaker 1: list and we'll see if we can get you on there. Again,
Speaker 1: if you want to ask me a question about it,
Speaker 1: you got my address at Earth Ancients for you at
Speaker 1: gmail dot com. So today's program is with Paul. Anthony
Speaker 1: Wallace is the Escaping from Eden. He has a number
Speaker 1: of books that have come out since Escape Escaping from
Speaker 1: Eden has been released. The latest book is Echoes of Eden.
Speaker 1: And what's fascinating about Paul is he calls himself a
Speaker 1: paleo contact researcher, paleo meaning extremely old in the ancient past,
Speaker 1: obviously contact and this is the alien et contact with Earthlings.
Speaker 1: The conversation delves into today's contact with UAPs and his
Speaker 1: belief on who they are and their link to the
Speaker 1: current Homo sapien sapiens that are here. Remember, his belief
Speaker 1: is that we are highbred as we are a creation
Speaker 1: from an alien race. And what makes this interview much
Speaker 1: more palatable than the simple ancient alien theme is the
Speaker 1: fact that he backs up all of his claims based
Speaker 1: on Bible, based on Bible passages, based on ancient literature.
Speaker 1: And what's even more fascinating for me is when I
Speaker 1: asked him if he had any connection with zach Karaz Sichen,
Speaker 1: who was a very big an Anachi person, ancient alien advocate.
Speaker 1: He didn't know about Zacharai Sitchen and he made a
Speaker 1: point of not using Sitchen's material as reference. Now that's refreshing.
Speaker 1: So see what you think, and I hope you enjoyed
Speaker 1: the program today. So today we are again presenting Escape
Speaker 1: from Eden. My guest is Paul Anthony Wallace, roll about
Speaker 1: the ancient past, the known history, but it's a great
Speaker 1: deal of unknown history that we feature each week on
Speaker 1: Earth Ancients. And this week we are introducing someone who
Speaker 1: I have just discovered, which is funny because he's been
Speaker 1: around for a few years now, and that is Paul
Speaker 1: Anthony Wallace. And let me tell you a little bit
Speaker 1: about him. He is an internationally best selling author whose
Speaker 1: books pro world ancestral narratives. He's what he calls a
Speaker 1: paleo contact specialist, and that is something that will discover.
Speaker 1: But what makes Paul unique is that he is a
Speaker 1: senior churchman. He served thirty three years as a church doctor,
Speaker 1: a theological educator and an archdeacon in the Anglican Church
Speaker 1: in Australia, and he is coming to us from Australia.
Speaker 1: What Paul written is a series of books on the
Speaker 1: ancient past. The one I'm reading right now is called
Speaker 1: Echoes of Eden. But he has a series of books
Speaker 1: that look at our beginnings from really the biblical past.
Speaker 1: But also he includes uniformed tablets and other research material
Speaker 1: to make these books fascinating and very very readable. So
Speaker 1: today we're going to introduce Paul and we're going to
Speaker 1: get a sense of what he's been talking about and
Speaker 1: what he feels is perhaps a narrative of our ancient
Speaker 1: past that is not presented in quite the light that
Speaker 1: he has presented in these books. So hey, Paul, welcome
Speaker 1: to Earth Ancient. It's great to have you on the program.
Speaker 2: Get a Cliff, thanks for having me today.
Speaker 3: Talk a little bit about.
Speaker 1: The beginnings of this important research. These books on Eden
Speaker 1: and you actually highlight this are based on your decipherment
Speaker 1: of ancient texts or a new way to view the
Speaker 1: writing of the Bible.
Speaker 3: Yes, you've said it beautifully.
Speaker 2: Of those roles that you've mentioned through my thirty three
Speaker 2: years in church based ministry, the one that really got
Speaker 2: me into this territory was the role of theological educator
Speaker 2: because the topic that I trained pastors in is the
Speaker 2: discipline of hermeneutics. So that's the principles of interpretation of
Speaker 2: ancient text in particular for passes. Of course, they're looking
Speaker 2: at the Bible, and so I would teach them to
Speaker 2: do source analysis. I'll we reading the original version of
Speaker 2: this story. If not, where did it come from? And
Speaker 2: how did it look before it looked like this form analysis?
Speaker 2: What kind of literature is this we're reading? How should
Speaker 2: we read it? And then the fundamental question what do
Speaker 2: the words mean? And these are the things that we
Speaker 2: explore in hermeneutics. And what happened is as I mentioned
Speaker 2: in the first of my Palio contact books, which is
Speaker 2: this one escaping from Eden. I suffered from an ultimate
Speaker 2: frisbee injury, which is a code actually for a number
Speaker 2: of times where I've been given the opportunity to take
Speaker 2: a pause between assignments and just do my own research
Speaker 2: for its own sake, So instead of reading the Bible
Speaker 2: for the sake of a sermon on Sunday morning, really
Speaker 2: plumbing the interesting questions that pastors often don't have the
Speaker 2: time to dig into. And anyone who.
Speaker 3: Reads the Bible will come away with questions.
Speaker 2: And some of these questions are so obvious a child
Speaker 2: will ask them if they.
Speaker 3: Read even a kid's Bible.
Speaker 2: Why does God say, let us make let us make
Speaker 2: the humans to look like one of us? Does that
Speaker 2: one of whom look like? If we're talking about God?
Speaker 2: And then you get into the Genesis three story, how
Speaker 2: could God fail to anticipate what was going to happen?
Speaker 2: How could he punish people who had no sense of
Speaker 2: right and wrong because it hadn't been provided to them,
Speaker 2: They hadn't been upgraded to that point. How can the
Speaker 2: God character want the humans so unintelligent they don't even
Speaker 2: know they're naked, keeping them at an animal level. And
Speaker 2: then some other figure who on earth is that wants
Speaker 2: them to have a happier, more sophisticated human experience. Now
Speaker 2: I've got the God character obliterating the human race save
Speaker 2: for one family. I thought it was a God of love.
Speaker 2: These are very obvious questions that you'll be asking before
Speaker 2: your six chapters into the book let alone, when you
Speaker 2: get further in and there's very violent, brutal behavior that
Speaker 2: is all credited to the God character. And when I
Speaker 2: had this period between pastorates, I went back to those
Speaker 2: kinds of questions and I tackled them as Bible translation questions.
Speaker 2: What happens if we read these stories according to the
Speaker 2: root meanings of the words rather than conventional translations that
Speaker 2: have grown up over the centuries. If we go back
Speaker 2: to the Hebrew and go back to the root meanings,
Speaker 2: what story emerges in the most primitive reading? And I
Speaker 2: found very quickly that what emerges is a story of
Speaker 2: patio contacts.
Speaker 3: And I remembered enough.
Speaker 2: Of my theological training to realize that the stories that
Speaker 2: emerge are actually a summary form of the narratives from
Speaker 2: out of ancient Sumeria, Babylonia, Arcadia, and Assyria, and that
Speaker 2: many of our familiar God's stories are actually based on
Speaker 2: stories of sky people in the Mesopotamian texts and of course,
Speaker 2: we have a word today for Skype people. We would
Speaker 2: say extraterresque, we would say Aliens, we would say other civilizations.
Speaker 2: And the fact that the stories parallel them so closely
Speaker 2: made me look at the Bible in a completely fresh way.
Speaker 2: And I realized that the patio contact theme really extends
Speaker 2: from page one to the final page of the Bible.
Speaker 2: And that was the little white rabbit that got me
Speaker 2: onto this whole territory.
Speaker 1: What is the impetus for you to leave what we
Speaker 1: believe are human figures in the Bible and move into
Speaker 1: creator gods?
Speaker 3: Is there?
Speaker 1: I mean, I can immediately think of Zachariah Sitchen. Maybe
Speaker 1: you picked up his books. He is interpreting Sumerian uniform
Speaker 1: clay tablets, according to him, deciphering them and seeing how
Speaker 1: the Sumerians and those before them are interacting with these
Speaker 1: creator guides. Was Sitchen somebody that you relied on or
Speaker 1: was it other documents that you made the connection and
Speaker 1: began to cross over?
Speaker 2: Yep, Well, not only did I not rely on Sitchin.
Speaker 2: I'd never heard of Zechariah Sitchin when I did my research,
Speaker 2: and it was only as I was finishing off Escaping
Speaker 2: from Eden that I suddenly discovered Zechariah Sichin and who
Speaker 2: he was, And I thought, oh, okay, should I pause
Speaker 2: and read everything Zechariah Sitchin wrote on this, get my
Speaker 2: head around that, and then get back to writing my book.
Speaker 2: Or would it be more interesting if I apply my
Speaker 2: logic to my data, and then if I reached similar
Speaker 2: conclusions to Sitchin, that's interesting for the reader. Yeah, And
Speaker 2: they might say, oh, here are two people with completely
Speaker 2: different start points, completely different backgrounds, and they've reached similar conclusions.
Speaker 2: Wouldn't that be more interesting? And so I made that
Speaker 2: my decision. And so to this day I've not read
Speaker 2: a single Zechari Sicchin book. I know about him, I
Speaker 2: know a little about his work, and I know that
Speaker 2: what Sitchin was doing was not really bringing super fresh interpretations.
Speaker 2: What he was doing was rubbing in people's faces the
Speaker 2: implications of the translations of the Kunea form texts that
Speaker 2: already existed. So, as I've studied the Kunaea form texts
Speaker 2: from Sumeria, Babylonia, Arcadia, and Assyria, I've used only the
Speaker 2: most widely accepted translations, followed the narratives and said, what
Speaker 2: did that just say?
Speaker 1: What?
Speaker 2: Did that just tell us and again force people to
Speaker 2: look at the implications, and Kara Sitchen did something very
Speaker 2: very similar. So I often hear people saying, oh, Sitchin
Speaker 2: translated that wrong, et cetera, et cetera.
Speaker 3: But that is a very.
Speaker 2: Unfair assessment of his work when I know that he
Speaker 2: appealed just like I did in my book. I've done
Speaker 2: in my books to the most widely accepted translations of
Speaker 2: those texts. The issue is what are they telling us,
Speaker 2: how do we interpret it, and what do we do
Speaker 2: about it.
Speaker 1: I just wanted to say that we've had Irving Finkel
Speaker 1: on the program Doctor Finkel. Oh, I love Irving Finkel,
Speaker 1: and he and I've asked him point blank, what do
Speaker 1: you think of Sitchen's translations? And he kind of looks
Speaker 1: off to the wall and says, not very well. You know,
Speaker 1: he's not a fan, and he thinks so well, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of misinterpretation of.
Speaker 2: There's another layer, of course, to what Sitchen did what
Speaker 2: which was to write fictionally, which then enables him to
Speaker 2: take data, which he does from the Canaarian forms and
Speaker 2: make comparisons with other ancestral stories and then do his
Speaker 2: own speculation and he weaves it all together into fiction,
Speaker 2: and so any academic is going to pick that up
Speaker 2: and be absolutely exasperated because.
Speaker 3: That's not what they want to read.
Speaker 2: They want to read stuff that's pure analysis, footnoted, referenced,
Speaker 2: and you're not.
Speaker 1: Going to get that from Sitchin exactly. Yes, talk briefly
Speaker 1: about pedaleo contact. When I think of that paleo contact,
Speaker 1: I think of extreme age. And when we talk about
Speaker 1: the well you talk about the creator guides, this is
Speaker 1: hundreds of thousands of years ago, right. They tell us
Speaker 1: that Homo sapien is two hundred thousand years old.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: One of the questions I have for you is it
Speaker 1: seems like every decade we find a new harmonin in
Speaker 1: some cave, and it's like Earth is this breeding ground
Speaker 1: for test subjects. We have the Benificence, we have the
Speaker 1: Nanerata Creole, magnanm man in silver, and and.
Speaker 3: Then Homo sapien dragon.
Speaker 1: What do you say to that Florida and all these
Speaker 1: strange creatures? Do you It's almost like there were a
Speaker 1: Petri dish of testing to see who can last? What
Speaker 1: do you say to that?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 2: As I started my world tour of ancestral narratives regarding
Speaker 2: the origins of Homo sapiens. I was fascinated to see
Speaker 2: these areas of overlap from culture to culture, cultures that
Speaker 2: had no contact with each other, from age to age,
Speaker 2: and the overlaps suggest a long period in the story
Speaker 2: of human development in which we were a didn't altered
Speaker 2: by visitors, and so we've got in the Bible and
Speaker 2: the Canoe form texts stories about the creation of a species,
Speaker 2: which is really the modification of a hominid that was
Speaker 2: already here to a point where we could be a
Speaker 2: useful working class to those who were governing us, who
Speaker 2: were from somewhere else.
Speaker 3: So you find those stories.
Speaker 2: The Pope pole Vu, I think is one of my
Speaker 2: favorite stories of human origins, which is the Mayan story
Speaker 2: of origins from out of Guatemala. This this was a
Speaker 2: document because the Maya were a literary culture, and when
Speaker 2: Central and South America were taken over by Portugal in Spain,
Speaker 2: these texts were destroyed.
Speaker 3: They were burned, and the idea was.
Speaker 2: To delete the indigenous stories and replace them with Catholic Orthodoxy.
Speaker 2: And the Pope le Vu the Mayan store He was
Speaker 2: considered to have been incinerated, destroyed, obliterated from human memory
Speaker 2: until just before seventeen hundred in Chichi, Castanango, the parish
Speaker 2: priest there, Dominican friar by the name of Francisco Jimenez,
Speaker 2: was handed a surviving text which a little remnant of
Speaker 2: the priests of the Feathered Serpent had protected for the
Speaker 2: best part of two hundred years. Francisco Jimenez was a
Speaker 2: wonderful Dominican priest who loved his people and was a
Speaker 2: genuine seeker of truth, a real researcher, a linguist, and
Speaker 2: when they said this is our story of beginnings, would
Speaker 2: you like to look at it? He was thrilled and
Speaker 2: he translated it into Spanish. The Pope porl vu all
Speaker 2: that is a preamble to say, you read that. And
Speaker 2: the story of human origins is mind blowing for its
Speaker 2: openness and honesty. It talks about these non human entities
Speaker 2: who came and they wanted a working class, and it
Speaker 2: took them a long long time to get the kind
Speaker 2: of human that they wanted. And without going into too
Speaker 2: much detail, it suggests that it's not only us, but
Speaker 2: it's us and the shared relatives we have with the
Speaker 2: other primates. These were all the result of artificial involvement
Speaker 2: in animal development on planet Earth. And so these stories
Speaker 2: of intervention alteration go back prior to two hundred thousand
Speaker 2: years ago, because we've looked like this for at least
Speaker 2: two hundred thousand years. But then there are other moments
Speaker 2: in this human story as well that reflect an intervention
Speaker 2: as recently, I argue in my books as ten thousand
Speaker 2: years ago, just on this side really of the younger
Speaker 2: driest Cold period, the most recent ice Age, a moment
Speaker 2: when humanity was on the brink of extinction. Cultures all
Speaker 2: around the world talk about mysterious others who turned up
Speaker 2: and help us re establish ourselves on the planet, to
Speaker 2: rediscover agriculture, to rediscover medicine, to rediscover civil engineering, and
Speaker 2: that's the beginning of civilization as we know it. And
Speaker 2: again it's the correlations from the po pas Vou to
Speaker 2: the Sumerians to the Bible, African narratives, Norse narratives, Vadic narratives,
Speaker 2: Greek narratives. The overlaps tell us that our ancestors maintained
Speaker 2: a memory of these interventions, and they all found different
Speaker 2: ways of telling those stories, different names, different metaphors. But
Speaker 2: when you drill down and ask each story, what is
Speaker 2: the memory this story was created in order to maintain
Speaker 2: the memory is the same that we have had help
Speaker 2: many times over in our long story as humanity.
Speaker 1: If we are hybrids from a creator race, creator guide race,
Speaker 1: how do we know that? Is there some implication in
Speaker 1: how we process information our physical form or have you
Speaker 1: discovered texts that reveal how our consciousness works.
Speaker 2: One thing I've been looking at recently, and this has
Speaker 2: come from my recent trip to Turkey where I've been
Speaker 2: filming with Matt Lacroix You've had on your show, and
Speaker 2: there is symbology there that suggests that psychoactive substances might
Speaker 2: have been used to heighten the intelligence of our ancestors. Now,
Speaker 2: if you pause and think, do I know any other
Speaker 2: stories where food or drink was used to upgrade humans? Oh?
Speaker 3: Wait a minute, Genesis three.
Speaker 2: Oh wait a minute, sham Hat in the epic of
Speaker 2: gildamesh Oh wait a minute. This protocol exists in shamanic
Speaker 2: traditions all around the world, where they're using psychoactive drinks
Speaker 2: or foods to try and switch on other bits of
Speaker 2: your brain. It's actually a worldview regarding our development and
Speaker 2: regarding our human potential that exists all around the planet.
Speaker 2: Everywhere you go, where you'll find folklaric story or initiation
Speaker 2: traditions that have been maintained, this theme is there, and
Speaker 2: it's not just there in the world of mythology and
Speaker 2: ancestral stories. There are mainstream serious anthropologists today who are
Speaker 2: saying that we've been around for two hundred thousand years,
Speaker 2: but at some point we suddenly got a lot smarter,
Speaker 2: and they are suggesting that our exposure to psychoactive foods
Speaker 2: and drinks may have activated parts of our brain and
Speaker 2: enabled us to access our imagination and creativity in ways
Speaker 2: that simply had not happened before. And once it had
Speaker 2: been switched on, we started using it, and then it's
Speaker 2: like a muscle. You use it, it develops. So I find
Speaker 2: it interesting that that story is there in mainstream science today,
Speaker 2: but it's also there in deep ancestral story. So I
Speaker 2: think that is a real part of our history.
Speaker 1: Graham Hancock refers in similar manners to using psychotropic drugs
Speaker 1: to not only heighten awareness, but perhaps help us evolve,
Speaker 1: and so that's a great primer for evolution. We're going
Speaker 1: to take a short commercial break to allow our sponsors
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Speaker 1: guest today, Paul Anthony Wallace, discussing his latest book, Echoes
Speaker 1: of Eden. We'll be right back. My guest today is
Speaker 1: author Paul Anthony Wallace, who's taken another look at the
Speaker 1: Bible and other biblical docum imments and rewritten an ancient
Speaker 1: history of Creator Guides in his Eden series.
Speaker 3: The idea of.
Speaker 1: These guys coming in treating us is fabulous, but I'm
Speaker 1: always curious, do you have any reference of ancient ruins, buildings, temples,
Speaker 1: or any structures that are left that were built for
Speaker 1: the gods or instructed on how to build from the Guides?
Speaker 2: No, I can't really speak to that. What I have
Speaker 2: found in my research is that there's a fair bit
Speaker 2: of evidence of megalithic skill prior to the younger dress
Speaker 2: Cold period. Yes, and so I just find that on
Speaker 2: its own absolutely fascinating, because that's telling us there's a
Speaker 2: huge hole in our knowledge of Homosapians. On the one hand,
Speaker 2: we've got research like that of Manfred Hoyne, who took
Speaker 2: a team from the University of os in Norway and
Speaker 2: the Maxi Plank Institute in Cologne, Germany, to Turkey where
Speaker 2: I was recently, and to Kara Jada, and they identified
Speaker 2: what appears to be the prototype farm in the story
Speaker 2: of modern civilization, and they dated that to about ten
Speaker 2: thousand years ago, except we've got megalithic remains from prior
Speaker 2: to that period, and so there's a dovetailing of civilizations.
Speaker 2: We know a little bit about what's happened in the
Speaker 2: last ten thousand years and next to nothing about who
Speaker 2: built those structures that predate that. So I find that
Speaker 2: interesting on its own. I think there are questions still
Speaker 2: to be answered about how some structures were created, what
Speaker 2: technologies we use to transport and cut the stone we're
Speaker 2: looking at. I mean, for instance, in Turkey, we can
Speaker 2: find basalt that's been worked with in a way that
Speaker 2: looks like diamond grade tungsten carbide tools have been used,
Speaker 2: except we're told no, they only had bronze and iron.
Speaker 3: Back in the day.
Speaker 2: And of course in Egypt, the pre dynastic artifacts found
Speaker 2: in Egypt, we don't know how they were created. So
Speaker 2: I don't make a leap and say, aha, this must
Speaker 2: be the Tutelage of visiting extraterrestrial civilizations. But I do say, aha,
Speaker 2: here's another great gap in our knowledge, and it's another
Speaker 2: impulse to sit and listen to what they have to say.
Speaker 3: And if we listen to the Babylonian.
Speaker 2: Story, this is one which is described vibing the Sumerian miracle.
Speaker 2: How come the Sumerians, which is the parent culture of
Speaker 2: the Babylonians, suddenly appeared from out of nowhere able to
Speaker 2: do major civil engineering product projects. They had writing, they
Speaker 2: had science, they had maths, they had record keeping, legal systems,
Speaker 2: all the accouterments of civilization. And the Babylonian explanation for
Speaker 2: that is, yes, we had help. We had help from
Speaker 2: non human others. The Appkalou and Oannas, and the Appklou
Speaker 2: was a presence living here. They were using underwater bases,
Speaker 2: but they were representing others out in space, and they
Speaker 2: were making an intervention to help humanity develop in the
Speaker 2: aftermath of the most recent ice age. So I go
Speaker 2: there and say, well, the ancient said this, But I
Speaker 2: can't point to a building or an artifact and say, oh,
Speaker 2: an extraterrestrial built that.
Speaker 3: Oh they used extraterress to a technology here. But you're
Speaker 3: actually seeing.
Speaker 1: You're actually seeing that when we look at megalithic structures,
Speaker 1: that technology isn't typical. That's kind of a provided technology,
Speaker 1: is what you suggest.
Speaker 2: Well, the problem is we don't know where that technology
Speaker 2: came from or what it was.
Speaker 3: There's no evolution of.
Speaker 2: Technology that we can trace that gets us to that
Speaker 2: kind of megalithic skill. So there's that gap in our understanding.
Speaker 2: And then on the other hand, we've got our ancestors saying, oh,
Speaker 2: we had help. So that it doesn't tie everything down,
Speaker 2: it doesn't prove anything, but I find it very interesting.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's interesting. I really enjoy your interpretation. I'm listening
Speaker 1: to audible echoes of Eden and another book, and the
Speaker 1: way you interpret how these gods come to Earth and
Speaker 1: began using the animal human animal like beings and then
Speaker 1: eventually making a hybrid out of them. This is all fascinating.
Speaker 1: Who would you say was the writer of Genesis?
Speaker 3: Is it a.
Speaker 1: Number of books, a number of individuals, because this is
Speaker 1: your interpretation is so radical, you know, it's really a
Speaker 1: challenge in some cases to consider who would be the
Speaker 1: penmen of these of this document.
Speaker 2: Okay, this is the book where I really go into
Speaker 2: that the Eden Conspiracy. And in the Eden Conspiracy, I
Speaker 2: show that the story of the production of the Bible
Speaker 2: is actually told within the Bible itself.
Speaker 3: So we begin with the summar.
Speaker 2: Reform of the Mesopotamian stories. So these are the stories
Speaker 2: that Abraham. The figure Abraham brings with him from or
Speaker 2: of Haldaion, which I believe is the high place of
Speaker 2: HLDI ancient Armenia. And so he brings the stories from Sumeria, Babylonia, Arcadia,
Speaker 2: and Assyria boils them down in a summary form. They
Speaker 2: really comprise the first eleven chapters of Genesis, and then
Speaker 2: the stories developed from their stories of multiple advanced beings
Speaker 2: called the Elohim, who are governing over different colonies of humans.
Speaker 2: They're described collectively as the el ba'a dat the council
Speaker 2: of power. And if you go to Psalm eighty two
Speaker 2: and Deuteronomy thirty two, a post invasion committee meeting is
Speaker 2: described where the senior being Elion, is handing out territories
Speaker 2: to the different Elohim. Their arrival is commemorated as the
Speaker 2: arrival of the Sava Hasha Maim the sky armies. All
Speaker 2: this is there in black and white in the texts.
Speaker 2: It's just not usually preached on. So the radical thing
Speaker 2: I'm saying is just read those texts, read those stories,
Speaker 2: and keep the keywords in their root form. Keep Elahim
Speaker 2: as Elohim, el elyon early on, el Shaddai as al Shadai,
Speaker 2: jahwe is Jahweh. And the shape of the stories tells
Speaker 2: you what you're looking at, the story of an invasion,
Speaker 2: parceling out of lands, and then managing of human colonies
Speaker 2: by non human entities. That's how the stories were until
Speaker 2: the eighth to sixth century BCE. And then the Bible
Speaker 2: itself tells us that there was a sequence of kings
Speaker 2: and high priests who wanted to obliterate the memory of
Speaker 2: paleoc contact and turn Judaism into a monotheistic religion. And
Speaker 2: so this begins with King Hezekiah, who comes along and
Speaker 2: he is a Yahuist. So among all those Elohim, there's
Speaker 2: one called Yahweh. He worships one called h Yahweh. He
Speaker 2: wants to obliterate the memory of the other Elahim. And
Speaker 2: what that means is he wants all the other Jewish priesthoods.
Speaker 2: Jewish priesthoods mark you disbanded. So the Jewish priesthood to
Speaker 2: Asherah disbanded, the Jewish priesthood to Milcom, to ch marsh
Speaker 2: all these other named entities disbanded or sorted. He wants
Speaker 2: their temples destroyed, their altars broken, their figurines will have
Speaker 2: their heads broken off. And in the Jerusalem Temple, the
Speaker 2: installations to those other beings will be taken down, and
Speaker 2: the carvings of those other beings will be defaced, and
Speaker 2: the carving of Yahweh that showed everyone what he looked
Speaker 2: like would be confiscated and destroyed. This is King Hezek.
Speaker 2: It's all there in the Bible. And so the Jerusalem
Speaker 2: Guard goes into the temple that goes around Judea does
Speaker 2: all that to get rid.
Speaker 3: Of that memory.
Speaker 2: And then in an age that follows him, his grandson,
Speaker 2: King Josiah comes along and decides that the scriptures that
Speaker 2: the Jewish people have been reading needed reforming as well.
Speaker 2: Up until that point, memory had persisted. The Book of
Speaker 2: Jeremiah says, for instance, that the Jewish people of the
Speaker 2: eighth and seventh centuries BCE remembered paleocontact. They remembered contact
Speaker 2: with beings who had been phenomenally helpful to them, and
Speaker 2: one who gets named is Asherah. And Jeremiah laments the
Speaker 2: fact that on every high hill and under every green
Speaker 2: tree you can find an installation to Asherah. But at
Speaker 2: the same time, the Jewish people are saying, thank goodness,
Speaker 2: we're not ruled anymore by Yahweh, and we got rid
Speaker 2: of him, and we're not under his laws anymore. Jeremiah
Speaker 2: reports this as something terrible, But the moment you separate
Speaker 2: his opinion from his information, you realize he's telling us.
Speaker 2: They have a memory of these other beings. They remember
Speaker 2: what Yahweh was like, what Ashra was like. They told
Speaker 2: those stories. But now that's got to be gotten rid of.
Speaker 3: And so now.
Speaker 2: Josiah develops the scriptures with the assistance of the royal
Speaker 2: scribed Chaifan, and then finally, under the senior priest Ezra,
Speaker 2: commissioned by the Persian King Cyrus, a new book is produced,
Speaker 2: the Book of the Laws of Yahweh, which is now
Speaker 2: a book teaching Yakist monotheism and teaching us to think
Speaker 2: negatively of all those other entities they're now described as idols,
Speaker 2: except they have to explain how come many of the
Speaker 2: Jewish kings had employed priesthoods, these other entities, had remembered
Speaker 2: these other beings positively, And so the narrator has to
Speaker 2: put a spin on the stories, and he says, well,
Speaker 2: they all married foreign wise, didn't they?
Speaker 3: Foreign women?
Speaker 2: Foreigners a And so they give a little spin to
Speaker 2: allow us to separate what they think Judaism should be
Speaker 2: moving forward from what it always had been prior to
Speaker 2: those reforms. And there's been a very recent find and
Speaker 2: I write about this in the sixth book in the
Speaker 2: Eden series, which I'm writing right now. Just in the
Speaker 2: last few weeks in Jerusalem, they find that is a
Speaker 2: beautiful emblem of this change in Judaism.
Speaker 3: What it was that was found was.
Speaker 2: Near the Temple Mount in Jerusalem, and it was a
Speaker 2: seal used by a senior Jewish official. So when he
Speaker 2: stamped to say certificate or sealed a letter, this was
Speaker 2: the seal he used. And the image on it is
Speaker 2: of a Sumerian anunaki, because to his mind, that's what
Speaker 2: the Elohim looked like. And he was using this seal
Speaker 2: prior to King Hezekiah and all those reforms. And it's
Speaker 2: a reminder that prior to those reforms. Judaism was a
Speaker 2: canon of memory of paedio contact, totally overlapping with the
Speaker 2: Mesopotamian stories.
Speaker 1: Hmm, fascinating. Do you you were just in Turkey. Did
Speaker 1: you get a chance to go to go Beckley Teppee
Speaker 1: or perhaps Carahan Teppee and see those saints.
Speaker 2: No, next time around, I planned to be at those sites,
Speaker 2: but what we were looking at was sites in the
Speaker 2: Van province where there are Oh, there's so much to
Speaker 2: see there.
Speaker 3: It's such an around Lake Van. That's fine.
Speaker 2: So we were looking at the Uratian citadels and at
Speaker 2: some of the inscriptions and carvings there. Matt is doing
Speaker 2: some fantastic work on really examining the timeline of humanity
Speaker 2: in that part of the world. While I was there,
Speaker 2: I got really sucked into the symbology that we were
Speaker 2: finding carved into these sanctuaries.
Speaker 3: And I believe that.
Speaker 2: Those symbols take us back long prior to the Uratian period,
Speaker 2: which is the first millennium BCE. They take us back
Speaker 2: to a receding of the environment after an ecological catastrophe.
Speaker 2: I think all those carvings are about a period of
Speaker 2: around ten thousand years ago, when agriculture had to be
Speaker 2: reinvented when human beings had to learn from scratch how
Speaker 2: to modify plants to become crops. And DNA research has
Speaker 2: shown really confirmed that. Research Karaja Da by Manfred Hoyne
Speaker 2: confirmed that agriculture started there, and then it shows the
Speaker 2: DNA record shows that information moving westwards across into northern Europe,
Speaker 2: and by about four thousand BCE it had reached northern
Speaker 2: Ireland and with it not only can you see advanced farming,
Speaker 2: but you can see megalithic building. So it's another scientific
Speaker 2: discipline that confirms the ancient stories of a reboot of
Speaker 2: humanity in ancient Armenia. After the younger Darias, I.
Speaker 1: Asked the question about Quebec, the Tepe and these other tepees,
Speaker 1: these other hills that they're finding because their subsurface, they're
Speaker 1: protected because they're underground, and then they're covered after they're used.
Speaker 1: And I'm wondering if you found any documents or any
Speaker 1: evidence of who the teachers were that were showing how
Speaker 1: to to eat greens, agriculture, animal husbandry, and so forth.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's a really good question because the proximity of
Speaker 2: gebecley Tepe and Krahan Teppe to Kara Ja Dah raises
Speaker 2: the possibility that could the people who helped that family
Speaker 2: and tribe in Karaja Da to reinvent agriculture, could there
Speaker 2: have been the tail end of this other megalithic culture,
Speaker 2: And it would seem very logical that that could have happened,
Speaker 2: because if you're a megalithic culture such as those that
Speaker 2: built gebecley Tepe Karahan Tepe, you must have had farming
Speaker 2: under your belt. You can't be hunter gather as building
Speaker 2: structures like that, and so one would think, well, maybe
Speaker 2: the survivors of a previous civilization are seeding the beginning
Speaker 2: of a new one, and that may very well have happened.
Speaker 2: And that is the view that Graham Hancock speaks about
Speaker 2: in his books and in his Fantastic TV series. But
Speaker 2: if we again listen to ancestral narratives from all around
Speaker 2: the world, there's another layer to this.
Speaker 3: If I listen to.
Speaker 2: The Youngu people who live in what's now the Northern
Speaker 2: Territory of Australia, they talk about a time when their
Speaker 2: ancestors were in that place and they did not know
Speaker 2: how to hunt or fish or what to harvest. Now,
Speaker 2: this is a very strange story coming from a people
Speaker 2: group whose relationship with the land.
Speaker 3: Is one of genius.
Speaker 2: It has always been their genius to know how to
Speaker 2: live in balance with the land. But this story exists.
Speaker 2: There was a time when we didn't know now either.
Speaker 2: That's because there's been a forced migration to land where
Speaker 2: they don't know the fauna, they don't know the flora,
Speaker 2: or the environment changed or they have changed. And you
Speaker 2: can hear similar stories in Native American story as well.
Speaker 2: And their explanation is not, oh, there was a previous
Speaker 2: human civilization who taught us how to do this. They
Speaker 2: described beings who were very, very different to themselves. They
Speaker 2: were incredibly slender physically, and they had an ability to
Speaker 2: ping in and out of their immediate space in a
Speaker 2: way that they couldn't understand. So that doesn't sound like
Speaker 2: human beings, doesn't sound like people who were living there before.
Speaker 2: Sounds very very different. In the Babylonian story that I
Speaker 2: mentioned before, the helpers don't sound like a previous culture
Speaker 2: because their physicality is described.
Speaker 3: As a horrible monster.
Speaker 2: That's how Owannas and the Appkalu described when they were
Speaker 2: first encountered on the shores of the Red Sea, and
Speaker 2: they couldn't quite understand what they looking at was that
Speaker 2: some kind of a person.
Speaker 3: Was it an aquatic creature? But it was.
Speaker 2: Terrifying and very very ugly. And we have other stories
Speaker 2: besides where the physicality of the other beings is described
Speaker 2: Reptilian features eight and features. So, yes, previous human cultures
Speaker 2: seeding new civilizations may be part of the story, but
Speaker 2: the moment you start listening to indigenous story, it's only
Speaker 2: part of the story.
Speaker 1: If we have this et genetics in our system. Is
Speaker 1: there writing that says we are part of a family
Speaker 1: of planets? And is this what's happening now with these
Speaker 1: UAP discoveries and these flybys, except that we're not having
Speaker 1: sit down discussions right now. They seem to be anthropologists
Speaker 1: who are studying our culture.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's a fair comment. Some ancestral narratives are very
Speaker 2: specific about where our helpers came from. So we've got
Speaker 2: the physical descriptions, but then we've also got references to
Speaker 2: Ashera coming from the Pleiades. Cherokee people have stories about
Speaker 2: visitors from the Pleiades. We go into ancient Armenia, people
Speaker 2: from the constellation Signus go into the Hebrew stories.
Speaker 3: We've got the Pleiades, Sirious and Orion mentioned.
Speaker 2: Listen to the dogone people of Male West Africa. Serious
Speaker 2: is where their tutors came from, so they get quite
Speaker 2: specific in ways that suggests we are part of a
Speaker 2: wider cosmic family. Ultimately, all life in the cosmos is related.
Speaker 2: That's the conclusion I've come to. This is something that
Speaker 2: Plato taught two and a half thousand years ago.
Speaker 3: And again you go into.
Speaker 2: The field of DNA science and you'll find very serious, crudential,
Speaker 2: peer reviewed the d NA scientists who believe in panspermia.
Speaker 2: They believe life in the cosmos is the norm rather
Speaker 2: than the exception, and that means all life is related.
Speaker 2: And therefore we've got sort of cousin species who may
Speaker 2: take an interest in us in that way.
Speaker 1: We're going to take a commercial break to allow our
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Speaker 1: my guest, Paul Wallace, author of the Eden series, discussing
Speaker 1: his latest book, Echoes of Eden, will rejoin you shortly.
Speaker 1: Author Paul Wallace is coming to us from Australia today
Speaker 1: and he is discussing his latest book Echoes of Eden.
Speaker 1: This is the research he's done on palaeo contact creator
Speaker 1: gods on Earth and his belief that we are hybrids
Speaker 1: from an alien race. I guess I'm going to ask
Speaker 1: you another one about your own personal experience here in
Speaker 1: a second, in terms of as an experiencer. But I'm
Speaker 1: just curious because we don't seem to be welcoming any
Speaker 1: other civilizations we've seen, especially in the United States. We're
Speaker 1: very shoot first, asked questions.
Speaker 3: Later exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: My point, though, Paul, is that is that if this
Speaker 1: is in our historic DNA to be more open and
Speaker 1: welcoming because our ancestors were this way, what's going on?
Speaker 3: You know?
Speaker 2: And perhaps, yeah, I think it probably has to do with.
Speaker 3: Who wants to be, who wants.
Speaker 2: To have the power and the control in these conversations.
Speaker 2: So I would suggest that we are in contact and
Speaker 2: have been for more than seventy years in this current
Speaker 2: iteration of contact. This is the claim made by her Mishad,
Speaker 2: the former chief of space security for Israel, all right,
Speaker 2: and so it was his job to know if we
Speaker 2: were in contact and if there was any threat. And
Speaker 2: in my latest book, this one here, if I can
Speaker 2: spruit that for a moment the invasion of Eden. I
Speaker 2: ask all the questions that you just asked, Cliff, why
Speaker 2: are we handling the prospect of contact today in the
Speaker 2: way we are. It's all being framed as existential threat.
Speaker 2: When we had that here in last year following the
Speaker 2: David Grush complaint, where essentially the US Congress wanting to
Speaker 2: know what does the Pentagon though about UAPs or UFOs.
Speaker 2: It turns out there's contact. We're in possession of entire craft,
Speaker 2: not in human biologics. And clearly there are units within
Speaker 2: military intelligence who want to control the narrative and control
Speaker 2: any contact or conversations that are going on. So I
Speaker 2: do believe there are sit down conversations going on, but
Speaker 2: it's just not happening publicly. And I also know that
Speaker 2: military intelligence is very interested in the ancient stories to
Speaker 2: help them have their heads around what current contact might mean.
Speaker 2: I believe we have more helpers available to us now
Speaker 2: than we've ever had in human history. But we may
Speaker 2: have some predatory contact as well, and there may be
Speaker 2: somewhat of an uneasy truce over how Project Earth is
Speaker 2: being managed by our various visitors. So when our ancestors
Speaker 2: talk about a sky council or a council of power.
Speaker 2: I think that still exists, but it's just not in
Speaker 2: the public domain now. Haimashed, who I mentioned before, the
Speaker 2: brigadier general who for twenty eight years run the space
Speaker 2: security program for Israel, is saying that until we are
Speaker 2: truly a space faring civilization, until we have the technology
Speaker 2: that gives us access to the cosmos, we are the observed.
Speaker 2: To echo what you were saying, we're the ones who
Speaker 2: were studied and collaboration that Taymashd talks about is really
Speaker 2: on the terms of our visitors. But once it goes
Speaker 2: public that we can now locomote through the cosmos, once
Speaker 2: we have that technology, that's when everything is going to change.
Speaker 2: That's when a whole load of new protocols comes in
Speaker 2: and there might be a bit more disclosure at that point.
Speaker 3: And in the invasion of Eden.
Speaker 2: I suggest that we give every encouragement we can to
Speaker 2: members of Congress and to our journalists to keep an
Speaker 2: eye on what the aerospace industry is doing in this area,
Speaker 2: because they are the ones with the privileged information about
Speaker 2: current contact. They are the ones doing the work of
Speaker 2: reverse engineering that the Pentagon has now authenticated, and it
Speaker 2: will be people in that world who are having the
Speaker 2: sit down conversations right now. And it's one of the
Speaker 2: reasons why I find at a very exciting time to
Speaker 2: be writing about ancestral knowledge, because how can it be
Speaker 2: that our ancestors.
Speaker 3: Could cope with the idea that we've.
Speaker 2: Got company, and yet governments today think we can't cope
Speaker 2: with that information.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the Maya write about the Star people and their literature,
Speaker 1: and there's a lot of reference to Star people in
Speaker 1: et contact through their long history, as well as a
Speaker 1: number of other ets. We've had Whitley strieber On a
Speaker 1: number of times and his experience was horrific. I don't
Speaker 1: know if you've read Communion or not, but it's just
Speaker 1: not a real pleasant journey.
Speaker 2: No. I've interviewed Whitley myself, and yes, I know the
Speaker 2: experiences he had took a lot of processing.
Speaker 1: Right. We've had Barbara lamb On and Miguel I can't
Speaker 1: remember Miguel's last name, who co wrote a couple of
Speaker 1: books with her. You've had an experience, won't you talk
Speaker 1: a little bit about your experience? Sure?
Speaker 2: Well, my experience is a not dramatic, graphic ones like
Speaker 2: Whitley's Tree was my experiences are They sound like stories
Speaker 2: of nothing. But I share my personal experiences in my
Speaker 2: book The Scars of Eden, because I think I would
Speaker 2: almost go as far to say most people have stories
Speaker 2: of weird things they can't explain.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And I think you could sit.
Speaker 2: Down any family or friendship group and if you gave
Speaker 2: each other the permission to share stories without fear of ridicule,
Speaker 2: it would turn out everyone in the group would have
Speaker 2: had an experience they couldn't explain, and if you put
Speaker 2: those stories together, it will add up to we've got
Speaker 2: company now. In my case, when I published Escaping from
Speaker 2: Eden a few years ago, I had people beginning to
Speaker 2: contact me who had experienced close encounters, and a very
Speaker 2: large proportion of these people were veterans of war and
Speaker 2: they'd had in in the context of their military service,
Speaker 2: and they didn't want to immediately share their stories with
Speaker 2: me because of the ridicule factor and the protection of
Speaker 2: their privacy. And so they'd sound me out and they'd say, Paul,
Speaker 2: if you had a close encounter, they wanted to know
Speaker 2: if they could share their story with me, And early
Speaker 2: on my answer was well, no, I haven't, but many
Speaker 2: of my friends have, and I take it very seriously,
Speaker 2: and that was enough for people to feel they could
Speaker 2: trust me and start sharing their own stories. And the
Speaker 2: more stories I heard, the more I was thinking, wait.
Speaker 3: A minute, that happened to me.
Speaker 2: And bit by bit I realized that there was a
Speaker 2: year in my life when I was twenty years old,
Speaker 2: in which I had five close encounter experiences. The reason
Speaker 2: that wasn't to the front of my mind even after
Speaker 2: I had written Escaping from Eden is that at the
Speaker 2: time I was really in the full flow of evangelical
Speaker 2: life as a young Christian, and I interpreted the whole
Speaker 2: universe through a grid of boxes. If something existed, it
Speaker 2: had to be either God, the Devil, angels, demons, human, animal, vegetable, mineral,
Speaker 2: or it didn't exist. And so these strange experiences that
Speaker 2: I'd had, I tried to force into one of those boxes.
Speaker 2: And so the terrifying experience, well, that presumably was demonic.
Speaker 2: The elevating experience, oh, that must have been angelic then.
Speaker 2: And I didn't even have language for lost time to
Speaker 2: explain another to encounters. Only as I listened to the
Speaker 2: stories of others did I realize, wait a minute, those
Speaker 2: five entities in my apartment in Bath were not demons,
Speaker 2: because well, they don't fit anything in the biblical Geneo
Speaker 2: Christian tradition about demons. They're not physical entities, they're not
Speaker 2: the size of a year six, they're not half cloaked,
Speaker 2: and they don't appear in your place just observing you.
Speaker 2: I had a terrifying experience where this happened and I
Speaker 2: saw them so vividly, and then I don't remember what
Speaker 2: happened next.
Speaker 3: Miss Hanne.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well I don't know on that occasion, but it
Speaker 2: had always puzzled me because I remember seeing them, I
Speaker 2: remember being terrified, and I'd always thought, oh, well, perhaps
Speaker 2: I just fell asleep, except you don't just fall asleep
Speaker 2: when you're having a terrifying encounter, so I could never
Speaker 2: explain it to myself. Now I realized that was a
Speaker 2: close encounter with what I believe was small grays. I
Speaker 2: lived very close to a Ministry of Defense installation in
Speaker 2: the city of Bath, and you probably know those kind
Speaker 2: of areas are shot spots, so sightings of that kind.
Speaker 2: So that was one experience, and then I had two
Speaker 2: experiences of lost time before I had the language for that.
Speaker 2: And it's only now listening to others who've experienced lost
Speaker 2: time that I realized that happened to me twice in
Speaker 2: that year. Then I had another encounter and again it
Speaker 2: sounds like a story of nothing, where I was at
Speaker 2: a shop in Chichester and these two people came into
Speaker 2: the shop with a baby and a stroller who were
Speaker 2: just incredibly beautiful and threw off this incredible energy and
Speaker 2: I just had to watch, sort of open mouths that
Speaker 2: these people as they moved through the shop, and they
Speaker 2: were shopping in a very strange way. Both the man
Speaker 2: and the woman were just going up taking things off
Speaker 2: the shelf, almost blindly like that, putting it in to
Speaker 2: the baskets, no coordination, not I'll get this, honey, you
Speaker 2: get that.
Speaker 3: It just went round like that.
Speaker 2: I was thinking, what is going on? And then they
Speaker 2: got to the till just in front of me, and
Speaker 2: they paid and they left without a word, and the
Speaker 2: feeling I was getting was so vivid. I wanted to
Speaker 2: know who they were, Why did they look like that?
Speaker 2: Why do they have this incredible serene atmosphere? How could
Speaker 2: they communicate without talking? And I thought, should I run
Speaker 2: down the street after them and say, excuse me, who
Speaker 2: are you? But even I thought that might be a
Speaker 2: bit weird, and I didn't, and again it just remained
Speaker 2: a memory that I couldn't explain. I've not had an
Speaker 2: experience like that before or since.
Speaker 3: But now that I've listened.
Speaker 2: To more and more experiences, the more I think we
Speaker 2: have company of visitors who were doing their level best
Speaker 2: to blend and I think that's what I was seeing,
Speaker 2: and again very near a military base. Now again that's
Speaker 2: not proof of anything. It sounds ridiculous to most people,
Speaker 2: except that when we all pool our stories of the
Speaker 2: strange and unexplained, you'll find experiences like that are more
Speaker 2: common than you might think, and it begs an explanation.
Speaker 2: And with some people who've told me very similar stories,
Speaker 2: there's a story of missing time that comes with it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's funny because Willy and others that have had
Speaker 1: on the program believe that these ets walk among us,
Speaker 1: and that there are perhaps Caucasian ets, or they can
Speaker 1: shift their form.
Speaker 2: They be more that way. Yeah for me, they can
Speaker 2: look that way.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they can shift their form, which is kind of
Speaker 1: nerve wrackings because because if you're around somebody. And I've
Speaker 1: always believed this. If you're around a being that's a thousand,
Speaker 1: a million years in advance of you, they're going to
Speaker 1: have a different vibration, You're going to feel different around.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's right, that's right. I mean I really hesitating
Speaker 2: before I put those stories in the Scars of Eden,
Speaker 2: because you know, it's yet another thing that could lower
Speaker 2: my credibility with the masses. But I felt though I
Speaker 2: had to do that because I do think these experiences
Speaker 2: are quite common and I really want to encourage people
Speaker 2: to share their stories. Give permission for people to share
Speaker 2: their stories, because the more people you hear with a
Speaker 2: story like that, the sooner you're going to start thinking,
Speaker 2: all right, something's going on.
Speaker 1: Yeah. As we conclude, Paul, what do you feel you're
Speaker 1: writing to? Are you writing to people who are just curious?
Speaker 1: I mean some people are calling you the new Eric
Speaker 1: van Donnikin and Eric tended to be more of a
Speaker 1: chronicle of sites and information. You seem to be placing
Speaker 1: it in such a way the narrative is something that
Speaker 1: is welcoming not only speculation, but also what would you say?
Speaker 1: What are you writing to and who.
Speaker 3: Are you writing to? Well? In a way.
Speaker 2: I think every generation needs to break the taboo around
Speaker 2: the idea of et contact. There's always a ridicule factor
Speaker 2: around it, although I think that's lessened a little bit
Speaker 2: since the Revelations from the Pentagon. But my aim really
Speaker 2: is to be a gateway guy for people into this topic,
Speaker 2: and so my books are very grounded in history.
Speaker 3: They're very grounded in.
Speaker 2: Ancestral narratives and indigenous story because I want people to
Speaker 2: be able to pick.
Speaker 3: Up any of the Eden series.
Speaker 2: People who are really skeptical about this, but by the
Speaker 2: end of the book, first of all, I'll have enjoyed
Speaker 2: reading it, and I try to write them in a fun,
Speaker 2: accessible way, but give enough solid data that by the
Speaker 2: end they're thinking, oh, there is something worth looking into
Speaker 2: you here. I want to break the taboo for people
Speaker 2: of faith who think that their Christian faith or their
Speaker 2: Jewish faith means they're not allowed to consider the possibility
Speaker 2: of a populated cosmos or et contact today and show no, actually,
Speaker 2: you should be on the front foot because your Bible
Speaker 2: is full of information about this, and so really I
Speaker 2: want to make this a much broader topic, much more accessible,
Speaker 2: show that it's grounded, it's not just pure speculation, it's
Speaker 2: not just for crazy eufologists, and make this much more
Speaker 2: a part of mainstream conversation than we've seen, probably since
Speaker 2: Eric Vondnakin bust the bubble back in the sixties and
Speaker 2: seventies with charits of the gods.
Speaker 1: Why are we so afraid of et contact and possible
Speaker 1: history or genetic history of knowing the stars and traveling
Speaker 1: the stars.
Speaker 2: I don't know, really. I think that we've had a
Speaker 2: long period of narrative control. Where as Christianity spread around
Speaker 2: the planet, there was a very aggressive stamping out of
Speaker 2: prior stories and the demonizing of prior stories. So I
Speaker 2: think we've got, you know, a lot of entrained views
Speaker 2: and feelings about that. I mean, the image I'm going
Speaker 2: to put on the next book in the Eden series
Speaker 2: will be a confronting one, and I know a lot
Speaker 2: of Christians will look at it and think, oh, it's
Speaker 2: got a bit of a demonic feeling. And the reason
Speaker 2: they have that feeling is because of that stamping out
Speaker 2: of images from prior cultures, images like the one on
Speaker 2: the seal used by that Jewish official. So that's part
Speaker 2: of the picture we've had. Of course, plenty of Hollywood,
Speaker 2: fair Invasion of the Body, Mars attacks, independent stay, the
Speaker 2: three body problem recently, but might make people a little
Speaker 2: bit scared of what contact could mean. And again, this
Speaker 2: is one reason I love to go back to the
Speaker 2: ancestral stories, because there is the balance. Yes, we may
Speaker 2: have had experiences in the past that were unhappy ones,
Speaker 2: but the stories of helpers from cosmic cousins, well, they
Speaker 2: are overwhelming, and I think we will ask better questions
Speaker 2: about contact in the presence in the present when we
Speaker 2: know these ancestral stories a bit better. So all my
Speaker 2: books go into indigenous story and ancestral story and say,
Speaker 2: just look at the patterns, look at the overlap, what
Speaker 2: does that mean, and how might that help us moving
Speaker 2: forward if we're in contact in the present.
Speaker 1: Wonderful Paul Wallace, A real pleasure having you on the program.
Speaker 1: Give us your website and how people can learn more
Speaker 1: about you. Also a fabulous YouTube channel, talk about that briefly.
Speaker 3: Well on YouTube.
Speaker 2: You can find me at the Fifth Kind or we've
Speaker 2: got more than a million subscribers.
Speaker 3: You can find me on the Paul.
Speaker 2: Wallace channel on YouTube as well. That's Wallace wa l
Speaker 2: l I S. We have a website, Fifth Kind dot
Speaker 2: tv and Paulanthony Wallace dot com. And you can message
Speaker 2: me through that last website if you want to have
Speaker 2: a longer conversation with me. Go to Amazon for all
Speaker 2: my books. That's Escaping from Eden, the Scars of Eden,
Speaker 2: Echoes of Eden, the Eden Conspiracy, the Invasion of Eden,
Speaker 2: and to be announced.
Speaker 1: Fantastic Hey, continued success. We're gonna have to have you
Speaker 1: back again when the next book comes out. Thanks, Paul,
Speaker 1: really appreciate your time.
Speaker 2: Thanks Cliff, It's been a real pleasure.
Speaker 1: Thanks for having me on. What I really like about
Speaker 1: this Eden series in Paul's presentation is he's a really
Speaker 1: good writer, and many of the books are chronicling his
Speaker 1: personal views and interactions with people, their perception of palaeo contact,
Speaker 1: as well as you know how he references a lot
Speaker 1: of the I guess you can call him case studies
Speaker 1: of various people in the Bible and how they are
Speaker 1: living longer because they have this genetics. People like Noah
Speaker 1: and the other biblical Biblical characters are very long lived
Speaker 1: exceptional human beings, and you know we don't have that.
Speaker 1: As Paul writes in his books, we were downgraded because
Speaker 1: we were too powerful. We were all demi gods. So
Speaker 1: fun read. I'm still trying to figure out where it fits,
Speaker 1: how we can perhaps quantify, qualify, justify this material in
Speaker 1: today's world. He was not able to present any sites
Speaker 1: that are homes or temples or places of worship. I
Speaker 1: haven't read enough about the material, but it does open
Speaker 1: a new door to the possibilities. And his openness on
Speaker 1: the UAP question I thought was refreshing. I knew Zacharia
Speaker 1: sitching personally. He wouldn't talk on UFOs at that time.
Speaker 1: And the other thing about Zacharia or Zach as we
Speaker 1: call him, is that he wasn't really big on being questioned.
Speaker 1: He didn't like people questioning him on his interpretations of
Speaker 1: the clay tablets, the cuneiform tablets.
Speaker 3: And it would have been nice if he.
Speaker 1: Lived long enough to communicate with people like Irving Finkel,
Speaker 1: Doctor Finkel, who have had the show on the show
Speaker 1: many times from the British Museum in London, and Finkel
Speaker 1: doesn't believe that Sitchy's interpretations are correct, and that's a
Speaker 1: huge problem, you know. I'd love to have them debate
Speaker 1: as to what they are interpreting. Zach would not do that.
Speaker 1: He would not And the other thing when I was
Speaker 1: a conference dirrector, and the other thing that was a
Speaker 1: bit challenging is that he would not sit on a
Speaker 1: panel discussion. And one of the great things I love
Speaker 1: to have when I had all these people at these
Speaker 1: conferences in San Francisco or Atlanta, Georgia, or in some
Speaker 1: of the other states that we would visit on the conference,
Speaker 1: including Austin, Texas, was that when you have all these
Speaker 1: people at the show and you're paying for their hotels
Speaker 1: where as well as their honorarium, they're speaking fee, to
Speaker 1: put them all together on a panel discussion is very
Speaker 1: powerful because you get all these points of views and
Speaker 1: you have a panel that has a certain theme. Sichan
Speaker 1: would not sit on a panel, So I made a
Speaker 1: very very difficult to question his references, his research where
Speaker 1: it came from. He just would not put up with it.
Speaker 1: So and I don't know if that's because he had
Speaker 1: a period where he was being questioned on his data
Speaker 1: his research and he just got tired of it, or
Speaker 1: he had a unique way of interpreting. These clay tablets,
Speaker 1: the cuneiform tablets from sume Aria, from sumer So we'll
Speaker 1: never know. He's passed away and I's been gone a
Speaker 1: number of years and his books are still interesting. But
Speaker 1: Paul is a different perspective, a new breath of fresh
Speaker 1: air and something to consider. Now. Again, I don't think
Speaker 1: he's Eric von don Again. I think Eric has a
Speaker 1: problem validating his sources. And you know, for a long
Speaker 1: time in his youth, Eric would actually travel the world.
Speaker 1: This is something that is unique about Eric went down again.
Speaker 1: He'd actually travels to these places in different parts of
Speaker 1: the world. He'd get on a plane, fly to South America,
Speaker 1: he'd go to Mexico, he'd go to different places in
Speaker 1: Europe and even Australia, and he'd actually fine and look
Speaker 1: at these areas and write about him. So you guys
Speaker 1: all know how I feel about ancient aliens. I just
Speaker 1: think that they're spinning off into the universe without really
Speaker 1: validating much, and the people that join the show each
Speaker 1: week are just reinforcing this weird narrative and saying, you know,
Speaker 1: the aliens did it. And I think moving forward into
Speaker 1: the future, they need to begin to take a better
Speaker 1: look at what they're presenting because I don't think it
Speaker 1: washes too well. So Anyhow, I want to have Paul
Speaker 1: on again. He's gotten of new books coming out next year,
Speaker 1: and I promise I'll get more detailed in my questioning
Speaker 1: as I as I look at what he's trying to
Speaker 1: present and see if it has you know, it rings
Speaker 1: true on the hybrid side, that's a huge question. And
Speaker 1: I've always brought this up. Where are all these hominints
Speaker 1: coming from Neanderthal danusivin creole magnet? You know they're dying out?
Speaker 1: How do we how are we able to sustain our evolution?
Speaker 1: Homo sapien sapien? Now he did say something I thought
Speaker 1: was a little revealing. He did mention pan spermia as
Speaker 1: a source of data capture and perhaps evolution. And you
Speaker 1: know we've had the top of the line. We have
Speaker 1: a doctor Wick Ramsey here on the show, who's with
Speaker 1: Fred Hoyle, you know, developed the whole theory of panspermia.
Speaker 1: A lot of scientists don't acknowledge it, and I think
Speaker 1: it's it's not valid. I think it is. And you know,
Speaker 1: if this is a way to evolve our species through
Speaker 1: minute bacteria that sparks our brain to grow our DNA
Speaker 1: to change or evolve, this is something that should be
Speaker 1: studied with a greater sense of urgency because we here
Speaker 1: in the United States, we have a divided country and
Speaker 1: I'm wondering if the parents bermia is spinning off into
Speaker 1: the to the universe and some people are losing their
Speaker 1: sense of perspective. But we won't get into that with
Speaker 1: any details. So anyhow, we're going to have Paul back.
Speaker 1: That was fun having him on the program. And his
Speaker 1: books are very, very easy to read, and he has
Speaker 1: released a audible version of the first book, Escaping from Eden,
Speaker 1: and it's not him narrating, it's somebody else. But it's
Speaker 1: very easy to listen to and it is. It's a
Speaker 1: fun it's a fun read, it's a fun listen. So
Speaker 1: consider that too. Hey, if you're enjoying Earth Ancients, please
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Speaker 1: jungles of Yucatan, Mexico. Look for my update. The next
Speaker 1: couple of shows will be prerecorded, but I'll be stepping in.
Speaker 1: I'll be only gone for about seven days, but I
Speaker 1: will definitely be continuing with the program, no breaks ever,
Speaker 1: and I'll report back to you with some new data
Speaker 1: on the ancient Mayan ruins of the Yucatan Peninsula. All right,
Speaker 1: that's it for this program. Thank you to my guest
Speaker 1: Paul Anthony Wallace coming to us from Australia and his
Speaker 1: new series Echoes of Eden. As always, the team of
Speaker 1: Gail tour, Mark Foster and everyone who makes this thing happen.
Speaker 1: You guys are rock all right, Take care of you
Speaker 1: well and we will talk to you next time.
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