WEBVTT 1 00:00:19.839 --> 00:00:23.199 All right, you've pressed start and we are on our 2 00:00:23.239 --> 00:00:25.839 way to another Earth Ancients podcast. 3 00:00:25.920 --> 00:00:26.039 Hi. 4 00:00:26.160 --> 00:00:29.719 This is Cliff, your host, and I hope you're doing 5 00:00:29.719 --> 00:00:34.439 well today. I am preparing to leave for Yucatan next 6 00:00:34.479 --> 00:00:38.079 Thursday the eighth. I'm gonna leave a day early, just 7 00:00:38.119 --> 00:00:40.039 because I like to settle in and get ready for 8 00:00:40.079 --> 00:00:42.479 people who show up. That is gonna be a fun tour. 9 00:00:42.560 --> 00:00:47.079 I have not been to Yucatan, Mexico since the pandemic, 10 00:00:48.159 --> 00:00:52.000 and I'm gonna be joined by Mimo Gonzalez, who is 11 00:00:52.000 --> 00:00:55.960 a second generation tour guide, and he has all kinds 12 00:00:55.960 --> 00:00:58.719 of stuff to tell me. The archaeological parks are still 13 00:00:58.759 --> 00:01:04.120 there that she needs, ushmo Ek Balaam, the black Jaguar, 14 00:01:04.920 --> 00:01:09.159 the whole punk route, which is the Saylo and Labna, 15 00:01:09.599 --> 00:01:14.239 just some of the most beautiful and elegant Mayan cities 16 00:01:14.840 --> 00:01:19.519 in all of the Maya domain. That's that's north of 17 00:01:19.640 --> 00:01:23.439 the North Yucatan. And what we're discovering is, and this 18 00:01:23.560 --> 00:01:26.000 is something I've been wanting to have happened in a 19 00:01:26.040 --> 00:01:29.640 while for a while, is that they are just they're 20 00:01:29.920 --> 00:01:35.439 doing more lightar scans, this very special laser scanning of 21 00:01:35.480 --> 00:01:38.920 the you could call it biasphere, the jungle area that 22 00:01:38.959 --> 00:01:42.239 surrounds these Mayan cities that I have just mentioned, and 23 00:01:42.280 --> 00:01:45.439 what they're discovering is the similar kind of a layout 24 00:01:45.439 --> 00:01:49.760 that we find in Guatemala, which are city after city 25 00:01:49.799 --> 00:01:53.840 after city. Now, lightar is a wonderful tool for archaeologists 26 00:01:53.840 --> 00:01:58.599 and it's revolutionized archaeological research for this simple reason that 27 00:01:59.200 --> 00:02:02.079 they can fly a drone or a plane or a 28 00:02:02.079 --> 00:02:07.359 helicopter over a region, shoot this laser down. It removes 29 00:02:07.400 --> 00:02:11.759 the foliage, just the bushes, the trees, the moss, even 30 00:02:11.960 --> 00:02:16.719 up to a couple of feet of groundcover and reveal 31 00:02:17.319 --> 00:02:24.280 these buildings. And they're uncovering layers and layers and cities 32 00:02:24.639 --> 00:02:28.840 next to cities. I would love to see Ina, the 33 00:02:29.400 --> 00:02:34.879 archaeological community of Mexico do a thorough scan and really 34 00:02:35.280 --> 00:02:37.159 let the cat out of the bag, because I have 35 00:02:37.319 --> 00:02:42.919 known for a couple decades, based on the contact that 36 00:02:42.960 --> 00:02:46.039 I've had with elders, the Mayan elders in that region, 37 00:02:46.400 --> 00:02:51.199 that there are cities littered everywhere. And we know this 38 00:02:51.840 --> 00:02:55.520 not only because of the sock bees, which are the 39 00:02:55.520 --> 00:02:59.840 white roads that connect these cities that have been in 40 00:02:59.840 --> 00:03:05.080 a in existence for thousands of years, but also because 41 00:03:05.120 --> 00:03:09.319 there are documents, historical records when the conquistadors of Spanish 42 00:03:09.360 --> 00:03:14.199 came and began settling in there and conquering the Maya 43 00:03:14.599 --> 00:03:20.000 in the fifteen hundreds. So this is very important data. 44 00:03:20.360 --> 00:03:24.800 I am excited again because I haven't been down there. 45 00:03:26.199 --> 00:03:29.759 If you can, it's a very inexpensive trip to fly 46 00:03:29.879 --> 00:03:34.080 from the United States to Mexico, and then you just 47 00:03:34.120 --> 00:03:37.280 take a cab or you take a car and you 48 00:03:37.319 --> 00:03:41.080 go to these places. And when you enter these archaeological parks, 49 00:03:41.080 --> 00:03:45.960 they're wonderful. They are well preserved. Some of the bigger 50 00:03:46.759 --> 00:03:50.759 locations like Chichen Eats and Ushmo have been pains takingly 51 00:03:51.639 --> 00:03:56.680 excavated and what they call consolidated so that the buildings 52 00:03:56.680 --> 00:03:59.439 are as good as they can get them. 53 00:04:00.120 --> 00:04:00.919 Up until. 54 00:04:02.719 --> 00:04:07.960 Fifteen years ago, you could actually climb these pyramids. Why 55 00:04:08.000 --> 00:04:10.199 they don't allow people to even touch the buildings that 56 00:04:10.240 --> 00:04:14.319 Chichenisa is very very sad. There's a lot of discussion. 57 00:04:15.240 --> 00:04:17.759 I think one of the bigger issues now is that 58 00:04:17.800 --> 00:04:22.199 because of this Maya train that swings right by Chichenisa 59 00:04:22.319 --> 00:04:25.879 has a stop there. They're looking at millions of more 60 00:04:25.920 --> 00:04:32.920 people entering these sacred areas, and so they're just coordinating 61 00:04:33.040 --> 00:04:36.519 everything off, which is kind of a it's not a 62 00:04:36.519 --> 00:04:39.120 great thing. It's not because you need to connect with 63 00:04:39.160 --> 00:04:41.519 these places. And one of the things that we'll be 64 00:04:41.560 --> 00:04:46.480 talking about on this tour is the energy. Now we 65 00:04:46.639 --> 00:04:50.319 now know by through NASA and people like John Burke 66 00:04:50.360 --> 00:04:54.879 that the older pyramids are active, meaning that they're sitting 67 00:04:54.920 --> 00:04:58.959 on tolluric energy fields which are part of lay lines. 68 00:04:59.639 --> 00:05:02.800 What we I don't know, and I'd love for somebody 69 00:05:02.800 --> 00:05:06.079 to begin studying this again, is why they would run 70 00:05:06.600 --> 00:05:11.279 channels of water underneath these pyramids and the lay lands. 71 00:05:11.360 --> 00:05:16.319 There's some chemical component, there's some combustion, there's some electric 72 00:05:17.079 --> 00:05:21.759 energy magnification that's going on inside these pyramids, and then 73 00:05:21.800 --> 00:05:26.240 they're bursting forth with this tilleric energy. Some people believe 74 00:05:26.319 --> 00:05:31.399 that Tesla, in his Warningcliffe tower that he built, had 75 00:05:31.399 --> 00:05:36.920 the idea that the atmosphere could be charged with electricity 76 00:05:38.160 --> 00:05:40.439 and that you could power all kinds of not only 77 00:05:40.560 --> 00:05:44.040 was it good for communication, but you could power all 78 00:05:44.120 --> 00:05:48.240 kinds of vehicles with this energy. And the thinking is 79 00:05:48.279 --> 00:05:50.639 that this is what the Maya did. Now, we're not 80 00:05:50.720 --> 00:05:54.279 saying that the Maya had craft that flew and drove 81 00:05:55.240 --> 00:05:59.399 on the sockbies. But I do believe that they did 82 00:05:59.399 --> 00:06:02.480 have the wheel. I think the mile we're more into 83 00:06:02.519 --> 00:06:08.040 the energetics of Tuller energy fields, and we're using it 84 00:06:08.079 --> 00:06:13.839 to enhance their cognition, perhaps physical health, and I mean 85 00:06:14.120 --> 00:06:21.000 on a real extreme thought possibility, on a high end level. 86 00:06:21.480 --> 00:06:25.920 Perhaps they were channeling by locating, doing all kinds of 87 00:06:25.959 --> 00:06:30.439 stuff when it comes to using power. Now we're going 88 00:06:30.519 --> 00:06:35.240 to be speaking to Paul Anthony Wallace today, who has 89 00:06:35.639 --> 00:06:38.600 written the Eden series. We're going to focus on Escaping 90 00:06:38.639 --> 00:06:42.360 from Eating his first book that came out in twenty twenty. 91 00:06:42.560 --> 00:06:47.600 He is of the belief that aliens came and not 92 00:06:47.639 --> 00:06:52.079 only created us through a hybridization program, but that much 93 00:06:52.079 --> 00:06:56.000 of our history, most notably in the Bible, can betributed 94 00:06:56.040 --> 00:07:01.680 to alien interaction. Now this is not Eric Donnegan ancient aliens. 95 00:07:01.759 --> 00:07:04.959 This is more religious side of it. Remember, if you 96 00:07:04.959 --> 00:07:07.279 don't know who Paul Wallace's will know about, we'll hear 97 00:07:07.319 --> 00:07:11.319 about him later today. But he's an archdeacon, former archdeacon, 98 00:07:12.000 --> 00:07:16.879 church doctor in Australia, and so he fell upon some 99 00:07:17.079 --> 00:07:20.040 data that we're going to hear about today and it 100 00:07:20.160 --> 00:07:25.759 helped him reinterpret Genesis and also other sections of the 101 00:07:25.759 --> 00:07:29.480 Bible in a new way. Some people feel its a 102 00:07:29.480 --> 00:07:33.639 revolutionary way. I have, as you know, have a challenge 103 00:07:33.639 --> 00:07:35.959 with ancient aliens because I think they go a little 104 00:07:35.959 --> 00:07:39.519 too extreme and anything that can't be explained as the 105 00:07:39.560 --> 00:07:42.720 work of aliens. I'm more with Graham Hancock, which is 106 00:07:42.879 --> 00:07:46.639 there was an epic or there was an epoch where 107 00:07:46.920 --> 00:07:51.959 Earth humans were very advanced and could create pyramids that 108 00:07:52.040 --> 00:07:56.759 generated energy, use that energy in a certain way, you know. 109 00:07:56.839 --> 00:08:00.319 And the thing is we read about the vamanas. How 110 00:08:00.319 --> 00:08:03.439 did the vimanas? How were they powered? Were they powered 111 00:08:04.279 --> 00:08:09.839 through turillerg energy? Where they powered through mercury? Some people 112 00:08:10.439 --> 00:08:12.480 believe that they were powered through mercury engines. 113 00:08:13.000 --> 00:08:13.600 We don't know. 114 00:08:13.600 --> 00:08:15.800 Until if somebody finds one of these things. Now, when 115 00:08:15.839 --> 00:08:19.639 someone uncovers of Amana, if that ever happens, that's going 116 00:08:19.720 --> 00:08:23.959 to change everything. So we can only cross our fingers. 117 00:08:24.000 --> 00:08:28.639 So this trip into Mexico, I will be chronicling with 118 00:08:28.800 --> 00:08:33.279 my new camera, so I'll bring back photos of some 119 00:08:33.320 --> 00:08:37.399 of the new unveilings. They've done some excavations at Ushmol, 120 00:08:38.000 --> 00:08:43.080 They've done some re open some sections of Labna and 121 00:08:43.639 --> 00:08:50.399 sail in the golf portion of the Peninsula, and then 122 00:08:50.399 --> 00:08:53.879 we're going to go to a new area of ek 123 00:08:54.000 --> 00:08:59.600 Baalam that they've discovered with some fascinating figurines, stucco figurines 124 00:08:59.679 --> 00:09:02.480 that have just been on Earth. They found a whole 125 00:09:02.919 --> 00:09:07.159 what they call apartment section that has wall figurines that 126 00:09:07.200 --> 00:09:12.120 are just beautiful, just fabulous. So I'll report back to 127 00:09:12.159 --> 00:09:14.919 you on that. I want to also mention that we 128 00:09:15.120 --> 00:09:19.960 have now filled our Repanui Easter Island tour March fifteenth 129 00:09:19.960 --> 00:09:23.279 to twenty third. If you are on the fence about 130 00:09:23.559 --> 00:09:25.519 joining us, what you need to do is send me 131 00:09:25.559 --> 00:09:28.559 an email, send it to send it to earth Ancients 132 00:09:29.120 --> 00:09:32.200 for you at gmail dot com and say Cliff I'd 133 00:09:32.200 --> 00:09:35.559 like to join you. We're going to create a small 134 00:09:35.600 --> 00:09:40.480 waiting list and we will open the door for probably 135 00:09:40.519 --> 00:09:43.879 a handful of three to five more people who want 136 00:09:43.919 --> 00:09:46.120 to join us. If you want to know about that 137 00:09:46.240 --> 00:09:48.720 tour again, it's March fifteenth to the twenty third, twenty 138 00:09:48.799 --> 00:09:51.840 twenty five. You can go to earth Ancients dot com 139 00:09:51.879 --> 00:09:56.039 forward slash tours and see the entire itinerary. And this 140 00:09:56.159 --> 00:09:58.320 is a special group. It's a small group of about 141 00:09:58.360 --> 00:10:03.039 twenty plus people that will be led by doctor Ed Barnhard, 142 00:10:04.240 --> 00:10:07.080 who is going to show us some very unusual and 143 00:10:07.159 --> 00:10:12.000 also off the beaten path sites on Easter Island and 144 00:10:12.799 --> 00:10:15.080 we're gonna have a blast. I'm really really looking forward 145 00:10:15.120 --> 00:10:18.279 to it. So again, if you're interested in that tour, 146 00:10:18.759 --> 00:10:22.399 you won't be hearing any more ads about it because 147 00:10:22.440 --> 00:10:26.480 we're full. But we are taking a handful of additional people, 148 00:10:27.039 --> 00:10:28.879 almost a first come first sort of get on the 149 00:10:28.879 --> 00:10:32.080 list and we'll see if we can get you on there. Again, 150 00:10:32.159 --> 00:10:34.039 if you want to ask me a question about it, 151 00:10:34.080 --> 00:10:36.960 you got my address at Earth Ancients for you at 152 00:10:36.960 --> 00:10:41.240 gmail dot com. So today's program is with Paul. Anthony 153 00:10:41.759 --> 00:10:45.720 Wallace is the Escaping from Eden. He has a number 154 00:10:45.759 --> 00:10:49.879 of books that have come out since Escape Escaping from 155 00:10:50.039 --> 00:10:54.399 Eden has been released. The latest book is Echoes of Eden. 156 00:10:55.759 --> 00:11:00.399 And what's fascinating about Paul is he calls himself a 157 00:11:00.480 --> 00:11:07.159 paleo contact researcher, paleo meaning extremely old in the ancient past, 158 00:11:08.279 --> 00:11:14.120 obviously contact and this is the alien et contact with Earthlings. 159 00:11:14.960 --> 00:11:21.320 The conversation delves into today's contact with UAPs and his 160 00:11:21.440 --> 00:11:26.600 belief on who they are and their link to the 161 00:11:26.679 --> 00:11:31.639 current Homo sapien sapiens that are here. Remember, his belief 162 00:11:31.879 --> 00:11:34.600 is that we are highbred as we are a creation 163 00:11:35.679 --> 00:11:40.480 from an alien race. And what makes this interview much 164 00:11:40.519 --> 00:11:45.399 more palatable than the simple ancient alien theme is the 165 00:11:45.480 --> 00:11:49.639 fact that he backs up all of his claims based 166 00:11:49.679 --> 00:11:54.440 on Bible, based on Bible passages, based on ancient literature. 167 00:11:54.879 --> 00:11:57.360 And what's even more fascinating for me is when I 168 00:11:57.399 --> 00:12:00.840 asked him if he had any connection with zach Karaz Sichen, 169 00:12:01.720 --> 00:12:05.879 who was a very big an Anachi person, ancient alien advocate. 170 00:12:06.759 --> 00:12:12.200 He didn't know about Zacharai Sitchen and he made a 171 00:12:12.240 --> 00:12:17.840 point of not using Sitchen's material as reference. Now that's refreshing. 172 00:12:18.600 --> 00:12:22.039 So see what you think, and I hope you enjoyed 173 00:12:22.039 --> 00:12:25.519 the program today. So today we are again presenting Escape 174 00:12:25.559 --> 00:13:01.759 from Eden. My guest is Paul Anthony Wallace, roll about 175 00:13:01.799 --> 00:13:05.720 the ancient past, the known history, but it's a great 176 00:13:05.720 --> 00:13:08.559 deal of unknown history that we feature each week on 177 00:13:08.639 --> 00:13:12.759 Earth Ancients. And this week we are introducing someone who 178 00:13:12.759 --> 00:13:15.639 I have just discovered, which is funny because he's been 179 00:13:15.679 --> 00:13:19.919 around for a few years now, and that is Paul 180 00:13:20.000 --> 00:13:22.799 Anthony Wallace. And let me tell you a little bit 181 00:13:22.840 --> 00:13:26.320 about him. He is an internationally best selling author whose 182 00:13:26.480 --> 00:13:31.639 books pro world ancestral narratives. He's what he calls a 183 00:13:31.759 --> 00:13:37.799 paleo contact specialist, and that is something that will discover. 184 00:13:37.919 --> 00:13:41.720 But what makes Paul unique is that he is a 185 00:13:42.120 --> 00:13:47.480 senior churchman. He served thirty three years as a church doctor, 186 00:13:47.720 --> 00:13:55.879 a theological educator and an archdeacon in the Anglican Church 187 00:13:55.960 --> 00:13:58.480 in Australia, and he is coming to us from Australia. 188 00:13:59.440 --> 00:14:03.399 What Paul written is a series of books on the 189 00:14:03.480 --> 00:14:05.519 ancient past. The one I'm reading right now is called 190 00:14:05.639 --> 00:14:08.840 Echoes of Eden. But he has a series of books 191 00:14:09.200 --> 00:14:15.960 that look at our beginnings from really the biblical past. 192 00:14:16.120 --> 00:14:20.399 But also he includes uniformed tablets and other research material 193 00:14:20.919 --> 00:14:25.720 to make these books fascinating and very very readable. So 194 00:14:25.759 --> 00:14:27.519 today we're going to introduce Paul and we're going to 195 00:14:27.559 --> 00:14:30.840 get a sense of what he's been talking about and 196 00:14:30.919 --> 00:14:35.360 what he feels is perhaps a narrative of our ancient 197 00:14:35.399 --> 00:14:39.000 past that is not presented in quite the light that 198 00:14:39.039 --> 00:14:42.360 he has presented in these books. So hey, Paul, welcome 199 00:14:42.360 --> 00:14:44.799 to Earth Ancient. It's great to have you on the program. 200 00:14:44.960 --> 00:14:46.840 Get a Cliff, thanks for having me today. 201 00:14:48.200 --> 00:14:50.159 Talk a little bit about. 202 00:14:49.759 --> 00:14:54.799 The beginnings of this important research. These books on Eden 203 00:14:55.399 --> 00:15:01.000 and you actually highlight this are based on your decipherment 204 00:15:01.679 --> 00:15:06.679 of ancient texts or a new way to view the 205 00:15:06.720 --> 00:15:08.159 writing of the Bible. 206 00:15:09.360 --> 00:15:11.120 Yes, you've said it beautifully. 207 00:15:12.120 --> 00:15:15.360 Of those roles that you've mentioned through my thirty three 208 00:15:15.440 --> 00:15:19.320 years in church based ministry, the one that really got 209 00:15:19.320 --> 00:15:23.200 me into this territory was the role of theological educator 210 00:15:23.759 --> 00:15:27.559 because the topic that I trained pastors in is the 211 00:15:27.679 --> 00:15:32.759 discipline of hermeneutics. So that's the principles of interpretation of 212 00:15:32.799 --> 00:15:35.960 ancient text in particular for passes. Of course, they're looking 213 00:15:35.960 --> 00:15:38.720 at the Bible, and so I would teach them to 214 00:15:38.759 --> 00:15:44.440 do source analysis. I'll we reading the original version of 215 00:15:44.480 --> 00:15:48.639 this story. If not, where did it come from? And 216 00:15:49.039 --> 00:15:52.200 how did it look before it looked like this form analysis? 217 00:15:52.360 --> 00:15:55.279 What kind of literature is this we're reading? How should 218 00:15:55.320 --> 00:15:58.600 we read it? And then the fundamental question what do 219 00:15:58.720 --> 00:16:03.759 the words mean? And these are the things that we 220 00:16:03.879 --> 00:16:07.720 explore in hermeneutics. And what happened is as I mentioned 221 00:16:07.960 --> 00:16:10.480 in the first of my Palio contact books, which is 222 00:16:10.519 --> 00:16:15.480 this one escaping from Eden. I suffered from an ultimate 223 00:16:15.480 --> 00:16:19.879 frisbee injury, which is a code actually for a number 224 00:16:19.879 --> 00:16:24.759 of times where I've been given the opportunity to take 225 00:16:24.799 --> 00:16:29.519 a pause between assignments and just do my own research 226 00:16:29.639 --> 00:16:32.559 for its own sake, So instead of reading the Bible 227 00:16:32.639 --> 00:16:36.360 for the sake of a sermon on Sunday morning, really 228 00:16:36.480 --> 00:16:41.360 plumbing the interesting questions that pastors often don't have the 229 00:16:41.440 --> 00:16:44.240 time to dig into. And anyone who. 230 00:16:44.080 --> 00:16:46.919 Reads the Bible will come away with questions. 231 00:16:47.759 --> 00:16:51.399 And some of these questions are so obvious a child 232 00:16:51.679 --> 00:16:52.879 will ask them if they. 233 00:16:52.759 --> 00:16:54.679 Read even a kid's Bible. 234 00:16:55.360 --> 00:16:58.120 Why does God say, let us make let us make 235 00:16:58.159 --> 00:17:02.240 the humans to look like one of us? Does that 236 00:17:02.480 --> 00:17:05.839 one of whom look like? If we're talking about God? 237 00:17:06.200 --> 00:17:08.519 And then you get into the Genesis three story, how 238 00:17:08.519 --> 00:17:11.240 could God fail to anticipate what was going to happen? 239 00:17:11.319 --> 00:17:14.640 How could he punish people who had no sense of 240 00:17:15.440 --> 00:17:17.559 right and wrong because it hadn't been provided to them, 241 00:17:17.559 --> 00:17:20.000 They hadn't been upgraded to that point. How can the 242 00:17:20.039 --> 00:17:23.279 God character want the humans so unintelligent they don't even 243 00:17:23.359 --> 00:17:26.599 know they're naked, keeping them at an animal level. And 244 00:17:26.640 --> 00:17:29.240 then some other figure who on earth is that wants 245 00:17:29.240 --> 00:17:33.000 them to have a happier, more sophisticated human experience. Now 246 00:17:33.039 --> 00:17:38.839 I've got the God character obliterating the human race save 247 00:17:38.960 --> 00:17:41.839 for one family. I thought it was a God of love. 248 00:17:42.440 --> 00:17:45.319 These are very obvious questions that you'll be asking before 249 00:17:45.319 --> 00:17:48.720 your six chapters into the book let alone, when you 250 00:17:48.759 --> 00:17:52.680 get further in and there's very violent, brutal behavior that 251 00:17:52.839 --> 00:17:56.400 is all credited to the God character. And when I 252 00:17:56.440 --> 00:18:01.240 had this period between pastorates, I went back to those 253 00:18:01.359 --> 00:18:06.480 kinds of questions and I tackled them as Bible translation questions. 254 00:18:06.640 --> 00:18:10.640 What happens if we read these stories according to the 255 00:18:10.799 --> 00:18:15.920 root meanings of the words rather than conventional translations that 256 00:18:15.960 --> 00:18:18.000 have grown up over the centuries. If we go back 257 00:18:18.039 --> 00:18:21.920 to the Hebrew and go back to the root meanings, 258 00:18:22.160 --> 00:18:26.599 what story emerges in the most primitive reading? And I 259 00:18:26.680 --> 00:18:30.200 found very quickly that what emerges is a story of 260 00:18:30.240 --> 00:18:31.279 patio contacts. 261 00:18:31.720 --> 00:18:33.279 And I remembered enough. 262 00:18:33.079 --> 00:18:36.880 Of my theological training to realize that the stories that 263 00:18:37.000 --> 00:18:41.640 emerge are actually a summary form of the narratives from 264 00:18:41.720 --> 00:18:46.920 out of ancient Sumeria, Babylonia, Arcadia, and Assyria, and that 265 00:18:47.039 --> 00:18:50.920 many of our familiar God's stories are actually based on 266 00:18:51.240 --> 00:18:56.359 stories of sky people in the Mesopotamian texts and of course, 267 00:18:56.400 --> 00:18:58.920 we have a word today for Skype people. We would 268 00:18:58.960 --> 00:19:05.559 say extraterresque, we would say Aliens, we would say other civilizations. 269 00:19:06.000 --> 00:19:10.960 And the fact that the stories parallel them so closely 270 00:19:12.000 --> 00:19:14.559 made me look at the Bible in a completely fresh way. 271 00:19:14.599 --> 00:19:18.240 And I realized that the patio contact theme really extends 272 00:19:18.400 --> 00:19:21.079 from page one to the final page of the Bible. 273 00:19:21.519 --> 00:19:24.039 And that was the little white rabbit that got me 274 00:19:24.079 --> 00:19:25.319 onto this whole territory. 275 00:19:27.920 --> 00:19:33.759 What is the impetus for you to leave what we 276 00:19:33.880 --> 00:19:37.880 believe are human figures in the Bible and move into 277 00:19:38.359 --> 00:19:39.279 creator gods? 278 00:19:39.480 --> 00:19:39.839 Is there? 279 00:19:40.240 --> 00:19:43.319 I mean, I can immediately think of Zachariah Sitchen. Maybe 280 00:19:43.319 --> 00:19:49.359 you picked up his books. He is interpreting Sumerian uniform 281 00:19:49.480 --> 00:19:55.599 clay tablets, according to him, deciphering them and seeing how 282 00:19:55.640 --> 00:20:03.400 the Sumerians and those before them are interacting with these 283 00:20:03.640 --> 00:20:10.279 creator guides. Was Sitchen somebody that you relied on or 284 00:20:10.440 --> 00:20:14.960 was it other documents that you made the connection and 285 00:20:15.079 --> 00:20:16.240 began to cross over? 286 00:20:17.240 --> 00:20:22.319 Yep, Well, not only did I not rely on Sitchin. 287 00:20:22.599 --> 00:20:26.759 I'd never heard of Zechariah Sitchin when I did my research, 288 00:20:27.400 --> 00:20:31.920 and it was only as I was finishing off Escaping 289 00:20:31.920 --> 00:20:36.200 from Eden that I suddenly discovered Zechariah Sichin and who 290 00:20:36.240 --> 00:20:39.720 he was, And I thought, oh, okay, should I pause 291 00:20:40.519 --> 00:20:44.759 and read everything Zechariah Sitchin wrote on this, get my 292 00:20:44.799 --> 00:20:47.119 head around that, and then get back to writing my book. 293 00:20:48.599 --> 00:20:51.559 Or would it be more interesting if I apply my 294 00:20:51.759 --> 00:20:55.960 logic to my data, and then if I reached similar 295 00:20:55.960 --> 00:21:00.079 conclusions to Sitchin, that's interesting for the reader. Yeah, And 296 00:21:00.119 --> 00:21:02.720 they might say, oh, here are two people with completely 297 00:21:02.759 --> 00:21:07.720 different start points, completely different backgrounds, and they've reached similar conclusions. 298 00:21:08.039 --> 00:21:10.680 Wouldn't that be more interesting? And so I made that 299 00:21:10.759 --> 00:21:13.039 my decision. And so to this day I've not read 300 00:21:13.039 --> 00:21:17.400 a single Zechari Sicchin book. I know about him, I 301 00:21:17.519 --> 00:21:20.680 know a little about his work, and I know that 302 00:21:20.720 --> 00:21:27.440 what Sitchin was doing was not really bringing super fresh interpretations. 303 00:21:27.880 --> 00:21:31.720 What he was doing was rubbing in people's faces the 304 00:21:31.799 --> 00:21:36.759 implications of the translations of the Kunea form texts that 305 00:21:37.000 --> 00:21:41.920 already existed. So, as I've studied the Kunaea form texts 306 00:21:41.920 --> 00:21:46.880 from Sumeria, Babylonia, Arcadia, and Assyria, I've used only the 307 00:21:46.920 --> 00:21:53.359 most widely accepted translations, followed the narratives and said, what 308 00:21:53.480 --> 00:21:54.359 did that just say? 309 00:21:55.039 --> 00:21:55.119 What? 310 00:21:55.240 --> 00:21:58.000 Did that just tell us and again force people to 311 00:21:58.000 --> 00:22:01.680 look at the implications, and Kara Sitchen did something very 312 00:22:01.839 --> 00:22:05.480 very similar. So I often hear people saying, oh, Sitchin 313 00:22:05.559 --> 00:22:08.400 translated that wrong, et cetera, et cetera. 314 00:22:09.200 --> 00:22:10.480 But that is a very. 315 00:22:10.400 --> 00:22:13.839 Unfair assessment of his work when I know that he 316 00:22:13.960 --> 00:22:16.880 appealed just like I did in my book. I've done 317 00:22:16.920 --> 00:22:20.640 in my books to the most widely accepted translations of 318 00:22:20.680 --> 00:22:24.000 those texts. The issue is what are they telling us, 319 00:22:24.279 --> 00:22:26.440 how do we interpret it, and what do we do 320 00:22:26.519 --> 00:22:27.039 about it. 321 00:22:28.319 --> 00:22:32.240 I just wanted to say that we've had Irving Finkel 322 00:22:32.279 --> 00:22:34.720 on the program Doctor Finkel. Oh, I love Irving Finkel, 323 00:22:34.880 --> 00:22:37.519 and he and I've asked him point blank, what do 324 00:22:37.559 --> 00:22:41.240 you think of Sitchen's translations? And he kind of looks 325 00:22:41.319 --> 00:22:45.119 off to the wall and says, not very well. You know, 326 00:22:45.240 --> 00:22:47.839 he's not a fan, and he thinks so well, there's 327 00:22:47.839 --> 00:22:50.039 a lot of misinterpretation of. 328 00:22:51.000 --> 00:22:53.559 There's another layer, of course, to what Sitchen did what 329 00:22:53.799 --> 00:22:59.319 which was to write fictionally, which then enables him to 330 00:22:59.599 --> 00:23:03.559 take data, which he does from the Canaarian forms and 331 00:23:03.640 --> 00:23:07.599 make comparisons with other ancestral stories and then do his 332 00:23:07.599 --> 00:23:11.119 own speculation and he weaves it all together into fiction, 333 00:23:11.599 --> 00:23:14.799 and so any academic is going to pick that up 334 00:23:15.079 --> 00:23:19.279 and be absolutely exasperated because. 335 00:23:18.880 --> 00:23:20.519 That's not what they want to read. 336 00:23:20.680 --> 00:23:25.839 They want to read stuff that's pure analysis, footnoted, referenced, 337 00:23:26.240 --> 00:23:26.880 and you're not. 338 00:23:26.839 --> 00:23:32.319 Going to get that from Sitchin exactly. Yes, talk briefly 339 00:23:32.319 --> 00:23:35.680 about pedaleo contact. When I think of that paleo contact, 340 00:23:35.720 --> 00:23:41.559 I think of extreme age. And when we talk about 341 00:23:41.640 --> 00:23:46.160 the well you talk about the creator guides, this is 342 00:23:47.559 --> 00:23:52.079 hundreds of thousands of years ago, right. They tell us 343 00:23:52.079 --> 00:23:54.599 that Homo sapien is two hundred thousand years old. 344 00:23:55.319 --> 00:23:55.559 Yeah. 345 00:23:55.640 --> 00:23:59.039 One of the questions I have for you is it 346 00:23:59.079 --> 00:24:03.480 seems like every decade we find a new harmonin in 347 00:24:03.599 --> 00:24:07.319 some cave, and it's like Earth is this breeding ground 348 00:24:07.440 --> 00:24:13.079 for test subjects. We have the Benificence, we have the 349 00:24:13.240 --> 00:24:16.799 Nanerata Creole, magnanm man in silver, and and. 350 00:24:16.759 --> 00:24:18.480 Then Homo sapien dragon. 351 00:24:18.559 --> 00:24:20.720 What do you say to that Florida and all these 352 00:24:20.759 --> 00:24:24.359 strange creatures? Do you It's almost like there were a 353 00:24:24.519 --> 00:24:28.559 Petri dish of testing to see who can last? What 354 00:24:28.599 --> 00:24:29.240 do you say to that? 355 00:24:30.559 --> 00:24:30.880 Well? 356 00:24:31.000 --> 00:24:35.880 As I started my world tour of ancestral narratives regarding 357 00:24:36.319 --> 00:24:41.599 the origins of Homo sapiens. I was fascinated to see 358 00:24:41.640 --> 00:24:46.160 these areas of overlap from culture to culture, cultures that 359 00:24:46.240 --> 00:24:49.440 had no contact with each other, from age to age, 360 00:24:50.000 --> 00:24:55.920 and the overlaps suggest a long period in the story 361 00:24:55.960 --> 00:25:01.000 of human development in which we were a didn't altered 362 00:25:01.759 --> 00:25:05.680 by visitors, and so we've got in the Bible and 363 00:25:05.799 --> 00:25:11.680 the Canoe form texts stories about the creation of a species, 364 00:25:11.759 --> 00:25:14.359 which is really the modification of a hominid that was 365 00:25:14.400 --> 00:25:16.960 already here to a point where we could be a 366 00:25:17.039 --> 00:25:20.359 useful working class to those who were governing us, who 367 00:25:20.440 --> 00:25:21.920 were from somewhere else. 368 00:25:22.000 --> 00:25:24.039 So you find those stories. 369 00:25:25.160 --> 00:25:27.160 The Pope pole Vu, I think is one of my 370 00:25:27.319 --> 00:25:30.759 favorite stories of human origins, which is the Mayan story 371 00:25:30.799 --> 00:25:36.160 of origins from out of Guatemala. This this was a 372 00:25:36.160 --> 00:25:40.759 document because the Maya were a literary culture, and when 373 00:25:41.240 --> 00:25:45.599 Central and South America were taken over by Portugal in Spain, 374 00:25:45.960 --> 00:25:47.640 these texts were destroyed. 375 00:25:47.799 --> 00:25:51.359 They were burned, and the idea was. 376 00:25:51.359 --> 00:25:57.200 To delete the indigenous stories and replace them with Catholic Orthodoxy. 377 00:25:58.119 --> 00:26:00.480 And the Pope le Vu the Mayan store He was 378 00:26:01.839 --> 00:26:06.240 considered to have been incinerated, destroyed, obliterated from human memory 379 00:26:07.160 --> 00:26:12.480 until just before seventeen hundred in Chichi, Castanango, the parish 380 00:26:12.559 --> 00:26:16.079 priest there, Dominican friar by the name of Francisco Jimenez, 381 00:26:16.880 --> 00:26:21.240 was handed a surviving text which a little remnant of 382 00:26:21.319 --> 00:26:25.000 the priests of the Feathered Serpent had protected for the 383 00:26:25.319 --> 00:26:28.759 best part of two hundred years. Francisco Jimenez was a 384 00:26:28.799 --> 00:26:33.799 wonderful Dominican priest who loved his people and was a 385 00:26:33.920 --> 00:26:40.279 genuine seeker of truth, a real researcher, a linguist, and 386 00:26:40.319 --> 00:26:42.960 when they said this is our story of beginnings, would 387 00:26:42.960 --> 00:26:45.559 you like to look at it? He was thrilled and 388 00:26:45.599 --> 00:26:49.960 he translated it into Spanish. The Pope porl vu all 389 00:26:50.079 --> 00:26:52.599 that is a preamble to say, you read that. And 390 00:26:52.680 --> 00:26:57.680 the story of human origins is mind blowing for its 391 00:26:57.799 --> 00:27:02.799 openness and honesty. It talks about these non human entities 392 00:27:03.039 --> 00:27:07.559 who came and they wanted a working class, and it 393 00:27:07.599 --> 00:27:10.720 took them a long long time to get the kind 394 00:27:10.759 --> 00:27:14.640 of human that they wanted. And without going into too 395 00:27:14.720 --> 00:27:18.519 much detail, it suggests that it's not only us, but 396 00:27:18.680 --> 00:27:23.680 it's us and the shared relatives we have with the 397 00:27:23.720 --> 00:27:29.519 other primates. These were all the result of artificial involvement 398 00:27:29.960 --> 00:27:34.839 in animal development on planet Earth. And so these stories 399 00:27:34.920 --> 00:27:39.640 of intervention alteration go back prior to two hundred thousand 400 00:27:39.799 --> 00:27:42.440 years ago, because we've looked like this for at least 401 00:27:42.480 --> 00:27:45.960