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<v Speaker 1>Abuse and trauma, often rippled through generations, repeating a devastating

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<v Speaker 1>cycle that we hear about all too often in the

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<v Speaker 1>world of true crime. Today, we delve into a tragic

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<v Speaker 1>story where one victim survived her own childhood horrors, only

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<v Speaker 1>to subject her own daughter to the same unspeakable abuse

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<v Speaker 1>that she endured. This time, however, the victim would not survive.

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<v Speaker 1>This is the brutal and heartbreaking story of Jeanette Maples.

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<v Speaker 1>My name's Ben, I'm Nicole.

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<v Speaker 2>And you're listening to Wicked and Grim, a.

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<v Speaker 1>True crime podcast.

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<v Speaker 2>Following material intended for a mature audience.

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<v Speaker 1>Listener discretion advised. Oh man, oh man, what a case.

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<v Speaker 2>This was a doozy one for you to research?

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<v Speaker 1>Eh, it is, Well, we're researching far too late. It

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<v Speaker 1>is Tuesday right now, it is three pm for us.

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<v Speaker 1>I spend all morning and even into the afternoon doing

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<v Speaker 1>some research finishing this off because I needed to do

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<v Speaker 1>a proper justice and we just did a two parter,

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<v Speaker 1>so there's no way I was going to split into

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<v Speaker 1>two parts to do the other half of the research

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<v Speaker 1>in the coming days, so I would just hunker down

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<v Speaker 1>and here we are, so we.

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<v Speaker 2>Get an extra long episode today, Luie.

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<v Speaker 1>We definitely do and shout out to our patrons. We

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<v Speaker 1>did a little post there asking for you know, you

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<v Speaker 1>guys give us some cases. Let's hear what you got.

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<v Speaker 1>We need to do some recommended ones from you guys

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<v Speaker 1>here for a little bit, and we got a long

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<v Speaker 1>list of some pretty wild cases and Scarlett ross on

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<v Speaker 1>there recommended this case and said quote, if you don't

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<v Speaker 1>do Jeanette Maples, I'm gonna have a fit. Though I

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<v Speaker 1>know she was joking, but that alone got me. I

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<v Speaker 1>was like, Okay, okay, she's pretty serious about this case.

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<v Speaker 1>Let me see what it's about. And oh boy, it's

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<v Speaker 1>it's heavy.

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<v Speaker 2>She really hooked you up here.

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<v Speaker 1>Hey yeah, so Scarlet, uh, we're all blaming you today

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<v Speaker 1>for this one.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, for like, you know, taking time to recommend.

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<v Speaker 1>We definitely are. And everyone else who recommended over on

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<v Speaker 1>Patreon too. We're gonna be going through that list and

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<v Speaker 1>doing a few of those cases up and coming. But

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<v Speaker 1>we also have patrons to thank who signed up this week.

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<v Speaker 1>So we have Julie Watson, Chris Patrick, Sammy Joe, and

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<v Speaker 1>Lois m right on. They all signed up on Patreon

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<v Speaker 1>and getting all that extra good behind the scenes. They

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<v Speaker 1>could have been putting suggestions in that list too. Maybe

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<v Speaker 1>we'll do one of their cases here soon.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Even looked at that list. Yeah I need too.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, gone through a few cases and like I said,

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<v Speaker 1>pick this case out of that list, and yeah, there's

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<v Speaker 1>there's some good ones on there.

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<v Speaker 2>That's awesome.

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<v Speaker 1>It is so thank you guys so much for that sport,

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<v Speaker 1>not only with suggestions but also with signing up. It

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<v Speaker 1>means the world. But I think we should just get

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<v Speaker 1>right into this.

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<v Speaker 2>Case, no chit chat, just dive right in.

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<v Speaker 1>I think so because it's going to be an extra

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<v Speaker 1>long case today, so one or two things is going

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<v Speaker 1>to happen. Either I'm going to be talking and flying

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<v Speaker 1>through it and you guys are going to be overwhelmed

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<v Speaker 1>with information, or we're going to be having a longer episode,

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<v Speaker 1>so we don't need all the chit chat filler in there.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's get straight to it.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's do it.

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<v Speaker 1>So Angela Michanalty. It's kind of an interesting name to pronounce.

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<v Speaker 1>It's mc so like Mick, right, and then a nalty,

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<v Speaker 1>So it's Angela Micanalty. Took me a few times to

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<v Speaker 1>get that name right. Okay, So Angela mcinnalty was born

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<v Speaker 1>on October two, nineteen sixty eight, in Sacramento, California, into

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<v Speaker 1>a tough and troubled family environment. She lived with her mother, Nancy,

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<v Speaker 1>her father Jerry, and a large group of siblings. Couldn't

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<v Speaker 1>figure out exactly how many siblings she had, but it

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<v Speaker 1>was a full household to say the least. Now Angela's upbringing,

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<v Speaker 1>it was a rough one in this household. Nancy, Angela's

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<v Speaker 1>mother was just eighteen years old when she gave birth

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<v Speaker 1>to Angela, and by then she had already had two

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<v Speaker 1>children from a previous relationship. Jerry, Angela's father, was quite

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<v Speaker 1>the imposing figure and well, he was a terrifying man.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's just say that. He was described as intimidating and

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<v Speaker 1>violent and Jerry had ties to biker gangs and mingled

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<v Speaker 1>with a lot of shady characters. He was a kind

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<v Speaker 1>of man that others feared, someone you wouldn't want to cross. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>this fear allowed Jerry to exert significant control over those

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<v Speaker 1>around him and contributed to his ability to evade accountability

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<v Speaker 1>for his actions because others didn't want to speak up

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<v Speaker 1>to against them, right, so others aren't going to call

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<v Speaker 1>him on his bullshit, because then they're the fear of that,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, coming back to them.

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<v Speaker 2>I get that, but I really don't love that. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's terrible.

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<v Speaker 1>Now. Despite his dangerous demeanor, Jerry also had a reputation

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<v Speaker 1>of being a ladies man.

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<v Speaker 2>M okay.

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<v Speaker 1>He maintained multiple affairs during his relationship with Nancy, even

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<v Speaker 1>fathering a child with another woman while Nancy was pregnant

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<v Speaker 1>with Angela, So he got two women pregnant at the

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<v Speaker 1>same time.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually, oh my, see, okay, I don't really take ladies

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<v Speaker 2>man as necessarily derogatory, but in this case it really is.

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<v Speaker 1>Like, well I don't think it's derogatory either. It's you're

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<v Speaker 1>able to like swoon someone.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but in this case, like he's also a complete asshole.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. No, being a ladies man is not bad. He's

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<v Speaker 1>a ladies man, but he's bad.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, Like it almost seems like he needed a worse,

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<v Speaker 2>worse name to me than lady's man. I guess, well that's.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why I said, Like, despite his dangerous demeanor, he's

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<v Speaker 1>also a ladies man.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, I see, I get it.

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<v Speaker 1>And then on tough of being a ladies man, he's

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<v Speaker 1>also sleeping around and just like taking advantage of the

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<v Speaker 1>fact of being able to swoon the ladies, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>So so yeah, he had two women pregnant at the

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<v Speaker 1>same time, and one of them was Nancy during her

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<v Speaker 1>pregnant ship pregnancy pregnant ship, pregnancy ship, I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>pregnancy with Angela. But outside of all this, the most

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<v Speaker 1>troubling part of him was his violent and abusive nature.

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<v Speaker 1>Jerry often subjected Nancy to relentless physical abuse, leaving her

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<v Speaker 1>bruised and battered. Even during her pregnancies, Nancy endured his

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<v Speaker 1>violent outbursts, often showing visible signs of the assault. So, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>you have a pregnant lady being beaten man. Now. While

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<v Speaker 1>those around her suspected or even knew about this abuse,

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<v Speaker 1>fear of Jerry's retaliation kept them from stepping up or

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<v Speaker 1>really saying anything. His reputation for his aggression made him

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<v Speaker 1>pretty much untouchable in the eyes of the community surrounding him. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>when Angela was five years old, so fast forwarding a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit, Nancy, Nancy finally found the strength to get

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<v Speaker 1>out and escape this toxic and abusive relationship. After years

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<v Speaker 1>of enduring daily beatings, an emotional torment. She filed for divorce,

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<v Speaker 1>and she left Jerry, taking her five children with her.

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<v Speaker 1>Among them, three were Jerry's biological children, okay, well, other

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<v Speaker 1>two were from an earlier relationship. I'm not certain if

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<v Speaker 1>that's the exact number of children that lived in the household,

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<v Speaker 1>because Jerry could have had children as well. All I

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<v Speaker 1>know is that's how many Nancy had with him, ends

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<v Speaker 2>I'll see. And she's like pretty young.

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<v Speaker 1>Too, hey, she is, yes, definitely, like.

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<v Speaker 2>Probably mid twenties max to have five kids.

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<v Speaker 1>Well, she was only she was eighteen when she birthed Angela,

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<v Speaker 1>and Angela is now five years old, so eighteen plus five.

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<v Speaker 1>There you go, that's old she is, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow, twenty three and five kiddos.

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<v Speaker 1>Yep, thank you for doing that math, because I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>want to do it and get it wrong, so I

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<v Speaker 2>I know, I kind of saw that you avoided that.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, well, I mean I could have done it, but

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<v Speaker 1>I would have been like, okay, like you know what

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I would have taken a second. So anyways,

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<v Speaker 1>the separation marked the end of Nancy's ordeal with Jerry.

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<v Speaker 1>Now Nancy unfortunately wouldn't get rid of him that easy, though.

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<v Speaker 1>He was enraged when Nancy began moving on with her

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<v Speaker 1>life and leaving him behind, and the idea of her

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<v Speaker 1>going on dates and finding happiness outside of his control

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<v Speaker 1>was intolerable to him. So, true to his manipulative and

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<v Speaker 1>positive nature, Jerry began stalking Nancy, intimidating her at every

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<v Speaker 1>opportunity in an attempt to reassert his dominance over her life.

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<v Speaker 1>And then one fateful evening, Nancy went out on a

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<v Speaker 1>date and she never returned home. Soon her lifeless body

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<v Speaker 1>was subsequently found near the edge of a river, the

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<v Speaker 1>victim of a brutal and frenzied stabbing. She had been

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<v Speaker 1>a nearly thirty times in an attack, and the police

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<v Speaker 1>described it as fueled by an intense rage. The sheer

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<v Speaker 1>violence of this crime shocked everyone that knew her now. Suspicion,

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<v Speaker 1>of course, immediately fell on Jerry, given his history of

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<v Speaker 1>abuse and controlling behavior, and all of this right, he

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<v Speaker 1>had every single motive, jealousy, anger, desire to prevent Nancy

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<v Speaker 1>from going on her life, whatever it was. The list

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<v Speaker 1>is long, it's there, and compounding the suspicions, Jerry reportedly

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<v Speaker 1>even confessed to a friend that he was the one

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<v Speaker 1>who killed Nancy. Even his own mother was convinced of

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<v Speaker 1>his guilt, so much so that she actually went to

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<v Speaker 1>one to kill Nancy.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I mean, just like the little bit that I know,

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<v Speaker 2>it almost kind of already seems like a no brainer.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, I mean yeah, and in cases you generally go

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<v Speaker 1>for what the spouse, immediately immediate family, right, and then

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<v Speaker 1>you have a douchebag like this, it just amplifies that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, and like thirty times being stacked, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>it really makes sense that it would be him, which

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<v Speaker 2>is so fucking.

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<v Speaker 1>Bullshit, I know. But however, in California at the time,

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<v Speaker 1>in the nineteen seventies, this was, as we all know,

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<v Speaker 1>like the golden age of serial killers. And I say

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<v Speaker 1>golden age like with quotations. Don't get me wrong, it's

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<v Speaker 1>not like an amazing golden thing. No, it's like that

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<v Speaker 1>was just the era. It's like that's when they're most prolific.

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<v Speaker 1>So law enforcement took a different perspective on the situation,

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<v Speaker 1>with notorious figures like the Zodiac Killer and Ted Bundy

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<v Speaker 1>active during this period, police speculated that Nancy might have

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<v Speaker 1>been a victim of one of these roaming killers rather

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<v Speaker 1>than her abusive ex husband. So they're like, ah, we're

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<v Speaker 1>thinking this might be a case link to one of

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<v Speaker 1>these bigger serial killer crimes that's going on right now.

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<v Speaker 1>So the case, unfortunately, was never conclusively solved and Jerry

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<v Speaker 1>was never charged with her murder, and to this day,

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<v Speaker 1>Nancy's death remains an open case with no resolution.

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<v Speaker 2>Really, yes, oh my gosh, Okay, well, I'm just gonna

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<v Speaker 2>say it was him, and like most likely what a

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<v Speaker 2>complete asshole, just like he had three children with her,

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<v Speaker 2>and I mean like he had an issue with her,

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<v Speaker 2>but now he's like taken their mom away.

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<v Speaker 1>Correct.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, And those other killers they didn't necessarily have. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, I'd have to like reverse myself on them.

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<v Speaker 2>But would they was there em a like stabbing someone

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<v Speaker 2>repeatedly like.

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<v Speaker 1>That again, I'd, like you said, I'd have to verse

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<v Speaker 1>myself on them again exactly. But I know, like Ted Bundy,

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<v Speaker 1>them as well. He would's man right, right, so he

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<v Speaker 2>It just really does seem like though it would be

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<v Speaker 1>Knew her, knew her. It was a personal attack. The

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<v Speaker 1>a rage filled attack, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh man, Okay? And they just maybe he had something

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<v Speaker 2>on the police or not something on them, but like

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<v Speaker 2>they were afraid of him too, ye, or he was

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<v Speaker 1>Who knows now. The loss of her mother was devastating

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<v Speaker 1>to Angela. The bond between the two of them had

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<v Speaker 1>and one that she struggled to fill. Tragically, her life

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<v Speaker 1>With Nancy gone, custody of Angela and her siblings fell

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<v Speaker 1>to Jerry, the man that's, of course, most likely the

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<v Speaker 1>these children's lives, and without Nancy, as a buffer, his

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<v Speaker 1>abusive tendencies became even more pronounced onto them. His rage,

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<v Speaker 1>once directed at his wife, was now just to the children.

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<v Speaker 1>Not long after Nancy's death, Jerry began a relationship with

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<v Speaker 1>a woman named Rebecca, who had children of her own. Together,

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<v Speaker 1>they created a chaotic and deeply dysfunctional household, with eight

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<v Speaker 1>often the case in abuse of households, favoritism ran rampant.

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<v Speaker 1>Rebecca's children were treated well, receiving gifts on holidays and birthdays. Meanwhile,

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<v Speaker 1>Nancy's children were ignored, neglected, and forbidden from even speaking

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<v Speaker 1>about their late mother. It was as though Nancy had

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<v Speaker 1>been erased from existence. The contrast and treatment only deep

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<v Speaker 1>in the wound for Angela and her siblings, who were

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<v Speaker 1>already grappling with the loss. Jerry's abusive behavior extended to

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<v Speaker 1>Rebecca as well, mirroring the violence that inflicted on Nancy.

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<v Speaker 1>Once upon a time, he beat Rebecca regularly, often in

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<v Speaker 1>Jerry reportedly drug Rebecca into the garage, tied her down

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<v Speaker 1>to a table, and doused her in gasoline. Stood back

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<v Speaker 1>and lit a match. Why yeah, yeah, I don't Oh.

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<v Speaker 2>This sounds just like hell, like just like complete hell,

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<v Speaker 2>literally what it is?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. One of the children thankfully shouted out for him

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<v Speaker 1>to stop, whether it was a presence and witness of

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<v Speaker 1>the children or whatever it was. But Jerry ultimately didn't

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<v Speaker 1>drop that match. But the message was clear, you don't

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<v Speaker 2>Oh Man. That is terrifying, isn't it? Just yeah, to

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<v Speaker 2>say the least. Holy shit.

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<v Speaker 1>So the children too bore the brute of Jerry's abuse.

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<v Speaker 1>He imposed strict, strict and arbitrary rules, such as forbidding, laughter,

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<v Speaker 1>or conversation. Yeah. Any deviation from these rules was met

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<v Speaker 1>with severe punishment. Jerry used his children a scapegoats for

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<v Speaker 1>his frustrations, blaming them for stress in his life, lashing

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<v Speaker 1>out with vicious beatings whenever he seemed to feel like it.

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<v Speaker 1>Angela was rough childhood. Didn't just stop with physical abuse

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<v Speaker 1>or strict household rules, though she and her siblings were

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<v Speaker 1>often starved as well, left with barely anything to eat

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<v Speaker 1>or even enough food to survive, and for whatever reason,

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<v Speaker 1>Angela seemed to be frequent target for her father. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>there was one story where one of Angela's siblings stole

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<v Speaker 1>a carrot out of the fridge, and Jerry went on

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<v Speaker 1>garbage rather than letting them.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, holy shit, Ben, this is too much.

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<v Speaker 2>And you know something too, I've been thinking about is

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<v Speaker 2>the whole favorite favoritism thing. He was probably horrible to

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<v Speaker 2>because two of those kids, like weren't even his, right, correct,

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<v Speaker 2>they were just Nancy's.

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<v Speaker 1>But I mean, honestly, like, Angela was the biggest target

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<v Speaker 1>for them all and she that.

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<v Speaker 2>Was his kid, hiss, like his first with Nancy, right,

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<v Speaker 2>the oldest.

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<v Speaker 1>I think, No, she was the youngest.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh she's the youngest. Oh my goodness, this is horrible.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So all the kids suffered, but Angela was particularly harsh.

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<v Speaker 1>When she got her punishments, it kind of seemed to

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<v Speaker 1>rain down harder on her. She was often kept apart

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<v Speaker 1>from other siblings, enduring punishments and neglect that left her

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<v Speaker 1>even more isolated. And it's no exaggeration to say that

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<v Speaker 1>her childhood was one of the worst you could imagine,

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<v Speaker 1>and sadly, like so many others in this situation, her

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<v Speaker 1>traumatic upbringing shaped who she would become. And instead of

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<v Speaker 1>breaking the cycle of abuse, Angela eventually became just as

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<v Speaker 1>bad as Jerry, and perhaps even worse than him.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh oh, this case is already breaking my fucking heart.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, yeah, that is. I can I can feel it.

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<v Speaker 1>And that's now you get why it took me so

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<v Speaker 1>long to research this. Not only is there a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of information on it, but it is a rough one.

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<v Speaker 1>So by the time she was sixteen, Angela had had

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<v Speaker 1>enough of her life. She dropped out of high school,

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<v Speaker 1>left home, and she ran away. And that's when she

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<v Speaker 1>got involved with a carnival worker, traveling from place to

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<v Speaker 1>place and living a transient lifestyle. But instead of a

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<v Speaker 1>fresh start, Angela was introduced to hard drugs. It didn't

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<v Speaker 1>take long for her to get hooked, setting her life

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<v Speaker 1>in a downward spiral. When she turned twenty, Angela did

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<v Speaker 1>move back to her hometown in Sacramento, looking for stability

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<v Speaker 1>or maybe just a new start, who knows, but that's

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<v Speaker 1>where she met Anthony Maples. The two hit it off fast,

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<v Speaker 1>but their connection wasn't exactly healthy. Their bond was built

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<v Speaker 1>on a shared love of drugs, and their lives revolved

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<v Speaker 1>around getting high jobs, responsibilities, and a future weren't on

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<v Speaker 1>the radar for them whatsoever. It was just.

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<v Speaker 2>Drugs and how to get more in the next fix

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<v Speaker 2>and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So, despite their chaotic lives, Angela and Anthony quickly

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<v Speaker 1>became parents. They had their first son, Anthony Junior, then

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<v Speaker 1>another Braden, and by nineteen ninety six, Angela was twenty

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<v Speaker 1>six years old and had a baby girl named Jeanette.

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<v Speaker 1>Now Jeannette is, of course the real center of this story,

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<v Speaker 1>so having kids didn't change much for Angela. She was

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<v Speaker 1>still addicted to drugs and her focus stayed on getting

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<v Speaker 1>her next high. Her three kids were neglected. They were

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<v Speaker 1>often hungry, unwashed, dirty and living in filthy conditions, and

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<v Speaker 1>Angela's behavior was a mirror of her own childhood, with

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<v Speaker 1>her kids now and during the same kind of neglect

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<v Speaker 1>that she grew up in. Eventually, Angela and Anthony their

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<v Speaker 1>lifestyle did catch up with them a bit, as both

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<v Speaker 1>were arrested on drug charges, landing them both behind bars

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<v Speaker 1>in jail. The children, already living in a nightmare were

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<v Speaker 1>now kind of left in limbo. This arrest might have

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<v Speaker 1>been a chance for Angela to turn things around, but

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<v Speaker 1>it didn't end the cycle of neglect. If anything, It

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<v Speaker 1>was just the beginning of even darker times for her

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<v Speaker 1>and her family. So after this arrest, authority stepped into

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<v Speaker 1>place in place and took these kids out of this

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<v Speaker 1>limbo situation where they didn't know what to do with

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<v Speaker 1>them because they were looking at foster care at first,

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<v Speaker 1>But they didn't end up going to foster care, not

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<v Speaker 1>directly anyways. Instead, they were placed with the nearest family member.

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<v Speaker 2>Holy shit. Okay, right before you said that, I was like, no, no, no,

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<v Speaker 2>no no.

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<v Speaker 1>Unfortunately that family member was none under, none other than

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<v Speaker 1>Angela's father, Jerry. Oh god, Yeah, the same abusive man

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<v Speaker 1>that tormented Angela throughout her childhood and suspecting of killing

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<v Speaker 1>her mother, That same Jerry, now Jerry. Ever, the opportunists

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<v Speaker 1>took the children in, starting to collect the welfare payments

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<v Speaker 1>on their behalf. Thankfully though, as far as records indicate,

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<v Speaker 1>Jerry didn't abuse his grandkids, not at least the way

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<v Speaker 1>that he did his own kids anyways, But his motives

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<v Speaker 1>were it seemed to be purely financial, and it didn't

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<v Speaker 1>take long before he kind of grew tired of the responsibility.

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<v Speaker 1>And about a year after Angela was released from prison,

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<v Speaker 1>and now she began to try and regain custody of

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<v Speaker 1>her children. Jerry didn't really want to deal with Angela,

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<v Speaker 1>and at this point was kind of tired of having

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<v Speaker 1>all these fucking kids in his life, and he decided

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<v Speaker 1>to hand them over to foster care. So they did

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<v Speaker 1>go to foster care, but there was about a year

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<v Speaker 1>period where they were living with Jerry. Okay, now, this

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<v Speaker 1>decision finally gave the children a chance to experience a

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<v Speaker 1>more stable and caring environment. I'm not saying foster care

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<v Speaker 1>is a perfect system, and I'm not saying everyone gets

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<v Speaker 1>the best care in foster care, but these kids were

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<v Speaker 1>certainly getting it better.

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<v Speaker 2>Well there, let's just say their bar was set real low.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah right, it was what they expected.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, no. So Jeannette, Anthony Junior, and Brandon were

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<v Speaker 1>now living with foster families who provided them with structure

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<v Speaker 1>and attention that they desperately needed. Angela wasn't ready to

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<v Speaker 1>give up on our kids, though. Over the next four years,

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<v Speaker 1>she fought, and she fought hard to regain custody, regularly

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<v Speaker 1>visiting them in their foster homes. And during this time, Jeannette,

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<v Speaker 1>who had been between the ages of two and six,

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<v Speaker 1>had weekly supervised visits with her mother. Since she was

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<v Speaker 1>so young, she didn't really remember the neglect or the

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<v Speaker 1>chaos from earlier years. To her, Angela was just the

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<v Speaker 1>woman who showed up for visits, which made it easier

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<v Speaker 1>for her to form an attachment to the person who

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<v Speaker 1>she knows as her mother. In two thousand and one,

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<v Speaker 1>when Angela was thirty two, the courts finally granted her

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<v Speaker 1>custody of her children. Now, this moment should have been

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<v Speaker 1>a happy reunion, but instead it was heartbreaking because before

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<v Speaker 1>the final decision, the court asked all three kids how

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<v Speaker 1>they felt about returning to their mother. Both Anthony Junior

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<v Speaker 1>and Braden old enough to remember what the life was

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<v Speaker 1>before the foster care living with their mother. They wrote

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<v Speaker 1>letters to the judge pleading to stay in foster care. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>they did not want to return into her care. They

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<v Speaker 1>pleaded to stay in foster care, and the.

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<v Speaker 2>Judge didn't listen. Hey, well there's more, there's way more

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<v Speaker 1>But damn, the judge granted them their request. Oh, the

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<v Speaker 1>judge did grant them their.

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<v Speaker 2>Request, Okay, to stay in foster care.

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<v Speaker 1>Correct.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh.

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<v Speaker 1>But then Jeanette, however, didn't have those same memories. All

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<v Speaker 1>she knew was her mother visiting her every week those

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<v Speaker 1>past few years, looking forward to her mom coming and

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<v Speaker 1>seeing her. So when she was asked if she wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to go back with Angela, she said yes, believing your

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<v Speaker 1>mother could provide love and care that she longed for.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I don't even know what to say. This is

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<v Speaker 2>just destroying me.

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<v Speaker 1>Understandably. I feel you that I wasn't gonna have a

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<v Speaker 1>beer on this episode. But there is a damn good

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<v Speaker 1>reason why I cracked this one.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, no, it's happening. And thanks for warning me about

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<v Speaker 2>this shit. You didn't give me any warning. Here, I'm

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<v Speaker 2>drinking fucking water.

422
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<v Speaker 1>There's a fridge right down here. Do you want Do

423
00:23:07.720 --> 00:23:14.039
<v Speaker 1>you want something? No, you're good, I'll I'll live all right. Yeah, No,

424
00:23:14.240 --> 00:23:19.640
<v Speaker 1>this is rough, And yeah, we're I mean, we are

425
00:23:19.720 --> 00:23:22.839
<v Speaker 1>just getting into Jeanette's story. Really, we've covered Angela a

426
00:23:22.880 --> 00:23:26.319
<v Speaker 1>little bit and now we're we're talking about Jeanette. So,

427
00:23:26.359 --> 00:23:29.880
<v Speaker 1>at just six years old, after spending over five years

428
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<v Speaker 1>in foster carre, Jeanette was sent back to live with

429
00:23:32.079 --> 00:23:34.799
<v Speaker 1>her mother. It was a decision that would ultimately set

430
00:23:34.839 --> 00:23:38.440
<v Speaker 1>the stage for the horrors of the years to come,

431
00:23:39.559 --> 00:23:42.039
<v Speaker 1>because not long after Jeanette returned to her mother's custody,

432
00:23:42.839 --> 00:23:46.039
<v Speaker 1>her family actually grew larger. A year later, Angela had

433
00:23:46.079 --> 00:23:50.880
<v Speaker 1>another daughter, a daughter named Patience, and was fathered by

434
00:23:50.920 --> 00:23:53.119
<v Speaker 1>an unknown man. But that wasn't the end of the

435
00:23:53.160 --> 00:23:56.279
<v Speaker 1>new siblings. Angela soon started a relationship with long haul

436
00:23:56.319 --> 00:24:00.759
<v Speaker 1>trucker named Richer mcaul. I have already the name. I

437
00:24:00.799 --> 00:24:02.839
<v Speaker 1>told you, I tried and got it right. So hold on,

438
00:24:02.920 --> 00:24:07.880
<v Speaker 1>hold on, micinalty, there we go, okay, Richard mcinalty. So,

439
00:24:08.000 --> 00:24:10.480
<v Speaker 1>Richard wasn't home much due to his job, and when

440
00:24:10.480 --> 00:24:12.720
<v Speaker 1>he was, he didn't really seem to take much interest

441
00:24:12.759 --> 00:24:15.880
<v Speaker 1>in the in the dynamics of the household per se.

442
00:24:16.759 --> 00:24:20.079
<v Speaker 1>But he was described as simple and rather unintelligent, and

443
00:24:20.119 --> 00:24:22.359
<v Speaker 1>he just kind of handed over his earnings to Angela

444
00:24:22.480 --> 00:24:26.160
<v Speaker 1>without any question. Some people are sitting here like that

445
00:24:26.200 --> 00:24:29.880
<v Speaker 1>sounds like a good man, but not saying he wasn't.

446
00:24:30.519 --> 00:24:33.759
<v Speaker 1>But we'll get into him a little bit too. Eventually

447
00:24:33.839 --> 00:24:36.039
<v Speaker 1>the two would marry and have the children of their

448
00:24:36.079 --> 00:24:39.279
<v Speaker 1>own or sorry, h child of their own, Richard Junior.

449
00:24:40.359 --> 00:24:42.960
<v Speaker 1>So by this point the family consisted of Angela, Richard,

450
00:24:43.039 --> 00:24:46.880
<v Speaker 1>and four children, Jeanette, Patients and Thenny Junior and Richard Junior.

451
00:24:47.559 --> 00:24:48.839
<v Speaker 1>There's a lot of kids in this story.

452
00:24:48.839 --> 00:24:51.319
<v Speaker 2>Okay, but sorry, and the two that are no longer

453
00:24:51.599 --> 00:24:52.480
<v Speaker 2>even living with them?

454
00:24:52.559 --> 00:24:57.240
<v Speaker 1>Right, yes, those are another two of Angela's kids.

455
00:24:57.240 --> 00:24:59.200
<v Speaker 2>Ok but then she.

456
00:24:59.240 --> 00:25:03.079
<v Speaker 1>Also has another two kids, right because she had five

457
00:25:03.160 --> 00:25:07.400
<v Speaker 1>in total with another relationship. Like, there's there's kids spread

458
00:25:07.440 --> 00:25:09.279
<v Speaker 1>out through all these relationships.

459
00:25:09.400 --> 00:25:11.960
<v Speaker 2>Okay, I've already lost track if I'm being honest.

460
00:25:11.839 --> 00:25:15.599
<v Speaker 1>Honestly, keep track of Jeanette. That's all you really need.

461
00:25:15.720 --> 00:25:16.759
<v Speaker 2>Okay, Okay, okay.

462
00:25:17.680 --> 00:25:20.400
<v Speaker 1>On the surface, things seemed to settle down for a while,

463
00:25:20.839 --> 00:25:23.519
<v Speaker 1>but that calm wouldn't last. In two thousand and five,

464
00:25:23.559 --> 00:25:26.960
<v Speaker 1>the family moved from Sacramento to Eugene, Oregon, and it

465
00:25:27.119 --> 00:25:29.640
<v Speaker 1>was there that the situation took a sharp turn for

466
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<v Speaker 1>the worst. Angela's treatment of Jeanette began to deteriorate rapidly

467
00:25:34.519 --> 00:25:38.680
<v Speaker 1>for reasons that were never really entirely clear. Angela started

468
00:25:38.880 --> 00:25:44.240
<v Speaker 1>to single Jeanette out amongst your children. The punishment started small,

469
00:25:44.319 --> 00:25:46.680
<v Speaker 1>with things like being sent to her room, but they

470
00:25:46.720 --> 00:25:50.200
<v Speaker 1>quickly escalated. Soon Jeanette was being locked in a room

471
00:25:50.279 --> 00:25:53.440
<v Speaker 1>for extended periods of time, and Angela even installed a

472
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<v Speaker 1>lock on the outside of her door to keep her confined.

473
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<v Speaker 1>By two thousand and six, Jeanette was attending Cas Skayed

474
00:26:00.400 --> 00:26:04.039
<v Speaker 1>Middle School, starting in the middle of her sixth grade year.

475
00:26:05.000 --> 00:26:07.680
<v Speaker 1>School wasn't easy for her. She faced bullying from other

476
00:26:07.720 --> 00:26:10.240
<v Speaker 1>classmates who made fun of her for her old and dirty,

477
00:26:10.319 --> 00:26:13.160
<v Speaker 1>tattered clothes that she was sent to school in by Angela.

478
00:26:13.920 --> 00:26:16.960
<v Speaker 1>But despite this, Jeannette found some solace in going to

479
00:26:16.960 --> 00:26:20.160
<v Speaker 1>school became a refuge from her home life, a place

480
00:26:20.200 --> 00:26:24.880
<v Speaker 1>where she could escape, even briefly, from the worst abuse

481
00:26:24.920 --> 00:26:29.839
<v Speaker 1>that was happening at home. Though Jeannette was quiet and reserved,

482
00:26:29.839 --> 00:26:32.240
<v Speaker 1>she managed to make a few friends. She also developed

483
00:26:32.240 --> 00:26:35.759
<v Speaker 1>a deep love for writing and for poetry, pouring her

484
00:26:35.759 --> 00:26:39.119
<v Speaker 1>thoughts and feelings into her work. The school library became

485
00:26:39.160 --> 00:26:41.839
<v Speaker 1>her sanctuary, and she spent much of her time focusing

486
00:26:41.839 --> 00:26:44.640
<v Speaker 1>on her studies and diving into books. She took her

487
00:26:44.720 --> 00:26:48.039
<v Speaker 1>education seriously, using it as a way to cope with

488
00:26:48.079 --> 00:26:52.440
<v Speaker 1>her difficult home life. Even as her home life grew darker.

489
00:26:52.559 --> 00:26:55.880
<v Speaker 1>Jeanette's resilience shone through her passion for learning and creativity,

490
00:26:56.000 --> 00:26:58.119
<v Speaker 1>but unfortunately, her time at school and her love for

491
00:26:58.200 --> 00:27:01.119
<v Speaker 1>reading couldn't shield her from what I waited at home.

492
00:27:02.279 --> 00:27:04.640
<v Speaker 1>By the time Jeanette reached middle school, the abuse at

493
00:27:04.640 --> 00:27:08.279
<v Speaker 1>home had escalated to a horrifying level. It wasn't just

494
00:27:08.319 --> 00:27:11.599
<v Speaker 1>the isolation of being locked in her room anymore. Angela's

495
00:27:11.599 --> 00:27:15.759
<v Speaker 1>punishments had become physical. Jeanette endured regular beatings, much like

496
00:27:15.839 --> 00:27:19.480
<v Speaker 1>Angela had suffered during her very own childhood. The cycle

497
00:27:19.480 --> 00:27:23.480
<v Speaker 1>of trauma was now being inflicted on her daughter. Jeannette

498
00:27:23.519 --> 00:27:26.839
<v Speaker 1>tried to keep the abuse hidden, terrified that you know,

499
00:27:26.960 --> 00:27:30.599
<v Speaker 1>the it's going to be revealed or make things worse

500
00:27:30.680 --> 00:27:32.759
<v Speaker 1>or something like that. If someone figures this out, you know,

501
00:27:32.799 --> 00:27:35.640
<v Speaker 1>when speaks about it outloud, she's going to go home

502
00:27:36.000 --> 00:27:37.279
<v Speaker 1>and her mom's going to beat her more.

503
00:27:37.640 --> 00:27:40.359
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, especially going to school and stuff like you think,

504
00:27:41.079 --> 00:27:44.200
<v Speaker 2>you know it, depending where they were hurting her and

505
00:27:44.240 --> 00:27:46.119
<v Speaker 2>stuff like, it would probably show. Well.

506
00:27:46.119 --> 00:27:49.759
<v Speaker 1>And that's the thing they did show. For example, like

507
00:27:49.799 --> 00:27:51.920
<v Speaker 1>there was bruises on her legs and abdomen, and it

508
00:27:51.960 --> 00:27:54.319
<v Speaker 1>was hard to conceal because things like changing in clothes

509
00:27:54.359 --> 00:27:58.119
<v Speaker 1>in gym class, right, Yeah, friends and people did notice

510
00:27:58.119 --> 00:28:00.759
<v Speaker 1>these marks, and Jeanette would just rush off their concerns,

511
00:28:00.799 --> 00:28:04.240
<v Speaker 1>claiming she had fallen or some other accident or.

512
00:28:04.240 --> 00:28:06.000
<v Speaker 2>Excuse the poor thing.

513
00:28:06.559 --> 00:28:09.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she at this age, being so young, became very

514
00:28:09.440 --> 00:28:15.680
<v Speaker 1>skilled at masking this pain and pretending like it was nothing. Now,

515
00:28:15.680 --> 00:28:19.480
<v Speaker 1>after school, her demeanor would change. Classmates would later recall

516
00:28:19.519 --> 00:28:23.039
<v Speaker 1>how Jeannette would become visibly anxious and withdrawn at the

517
00:28:23.119 --> 00:28:25.559
<v Speaker 1>end of the day with the ringing of the bell

518
00:28:26.279 --> 00:28:30.559
<v Speaker 1>was sending everyone home. It was almost a dreadful moment

519
00:28:30.599 --> 00:28:31.000
<v Speaker 1>for her.

520
00:28:31.319 --> 00:28:35.759
<v Speaker 2>Oh, holy shit, our poor little heart's just breaking for her.

521
00:28:36.039 --> 00:28:39.960
<v Speaker 1>I know, I can't imagine. Many people in Jeannette's life

522
00:28:40.000 --> 00:28:44.400
<v Speaker 1>did try to help her. Grandmother Lynn mcinnulty saw the

523
00:28:44.480 --> 00:28:47.960
<v Speaker 1>children occasionally and became deeply concerned with what she noticed.

524
00:28:48.480 --> 00:28:52.200
<v Speaker 1>Lynn made two separate reports, at least two separate reports,

525
00:28:52.599 --> 00:28:57.279
<v Speaker 1>pleading for them to investigate and intervene. A parent of

526
00:28:57.279 --> 00:29:01.599
<v Speaker 1>one of Jeanette's friends also contacted Child Protectives Services or CPS,

527
00:29:01.640 --> 00:29:04.200
<v Speaker 1>I'll refer to it from here on out. So after

528
00:29:04.839 --> 00:29:08.400
<v Speaker 1>their child told them about Jeanette's bruises and suspected abuse,

529
00:29:09.200 --> 00:29:12.480
<v Speaker 1>teachers at the school joined the efforts, reporting their suspicions

530
00:29:12.480 --> 00:29:16.200
<v Speaker 1>to the Department of Human Services or DHS. After learning

531
00:29:16.200 --> 00:29:19.640
<v Speaker 1>from Jeanette's friends in seventh grade, that her mother was abusive,

532
00:29:20.480 --> 00:29:22.440
<v Speaker 1>and in two thousand and seven, the reports led to

533
00:29:22.480 --> 00:29:27.720
<v Speaker 1>a visit from CPS. However, the investigation was brief and

534
00:29:27.799 --> 00:29:34.079
<v Speaker 1>ultimately ineffective. Angela denied the accusation's outright, insisting that Jeannette

535
00:29:34.240 --> 00:29:38.359
<v Speaker 1>was a habitual liar, She's just a liar, compulsive liar,

536
00:29:38.920 --> 00:29:42.319
<v Speaker 1>and that any reports of abuse were we're baseless and false.

537
00:29:44.279 --> 00:29:46.839
<v Speaker 2>Well, of course that, of course she's going to say that,

538
00:29:46.880 --> 00:29:49.200
<v Speaker 2>though I know well with that.

539
00:29:49.240 --> 00:29:53.319
<v Speaker 1>Though Child Perseective Services accepted her explanation and closed the case.

540
00:29:53.400 --> 00:29:55.279
<v Speaker 2>That is a complete fail right there.

541
00:29:55.480 --> 00:29:57.039
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, it's.

542
00:29:58.759 --> 00:29:58.880
<v Speaker 2>It.

543
00:30:00.240 --> 00:30:01.759
<v Speaker 1>Just give me a second, I'll finish this off, then

544
00:30:01.799 --> 00:30:04.599
<v Speaker 1>we'll get into it. So Jeanette's visible bruises and the

545
00:30:04.640 --> 00:30:07.759
<v Speaker 1>testimonies of others around her, and the consistent reports of

546
00:30:07.799 --> 00:30:12.680
<v Speaker 1>mistreatment were all dismissed as quote second hand information. The

547
00:30:12.680 --> 00:30:15.359
<v Speaker 1>failure of Child Protective Services left Jeanette trapped in the

548
00:30:15.440 --> 00:30:20.400
<v Speaker 1>dangerous and worsening situation. So, okay, don't get me wrong.

549
00:30:21.000 --> 00:30:23.759
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure that there's protocols for when things like this happen,

550
00:30:23.920 --> 00:30:26.559
<v Speaker 1>and what social workers are supposed to do, and many

551
00:30:26.599 --> 00:30:28.680
<v Speaker 1>of the things that they go through and have to

552
00:30:28.759 --> 00:30:32.319
<v Speaker 1>endure I'm unaware of, Okay, so I want to clarify that.

553
00:30:32.559 --> 00:30:36.039
<v Speaker 1>But this to me sounds like a lack of due diligence.

554
00:30:36.799 --> 00:30:38.880
<v Speaker 1>I mean, when you're performing an investigation, aren't you supposed

555
00:30:38.880 --> 00:30:39.759
<v Speaker 1>to actually investigate.

556
00:30:40.519 --> 00:30:43.319
<v Speaker 2>Well, it's not like it was just like one case

557
00:30:43.359 --> 00:30:46.880
<v Speaker 2>coming into or one what were you calling that, like

558
00:30:46.920 --> 00:30:50.440
<v Speaker 2>complaint or whatever? Right, there was like numerous.

559
00:30:50.240 --> 00:30:57.079
<v Speaker 1>Exactly, and so they just come in ask fucking ask

560
00:30:57.160 --> 00:30:59.000
<v Speaker 1>fan's love, like, so you beaten your kid?

561
00:30:59.359 --> 00:31:05.039
<v Speaker 2>No, no, she's lying, yeah, okay, like that's it. Well,

562
00:31:05.079 --> 00:31:07.759
<v Speaker 2>and of course too, like the kid could be terrified,

563
00:31:07.799 --> 00:31:10.279
<v Speaker 2>they might not admit to it, so of course everything's

564
00:31:10.319 --> 00:31:14.160
<v Speaker 2>going to be like secondhand right necessarily, right, so they

565
00:31:14.200 --> 00:31:17.279
<v Speaker 2>needed to come back a few times or oh man,

566
00:31:17.359 --> 00:31:19.839
<v Speaker 2>that just seems But it also could be like just

567
00:31:19.920 --> 00:31:22.599
<v Speaker 2>the system and stuff too, and where it's like maybe

568
00:31:22.599 --> 00:31:24.799
<v Speaker 2>this person had too much on their plate, right, and

569
00:31:24.839 --> 00:31:28.759
<v Speaker 2>they didn't have the time to like put the effort

570
00:31:28.759 --> 00:31:31.920
<v Speaker 2>in that they needed and stuff, which is it's not

571
00:31:32.039 --> 00:31:32.599
<v Speaker 2>good though.

572
00:31:32.880 --> 00:31:36.279
<v Speaker 1>I will partially agree with you on that. I'm sure

573
00:31:36.319 --> 00:31:41.039
<v Speaker 1>the system is broken and overloaded, but that individual was

574
00:31:41.079 --> 00:31:43.359
<v Speaker 1>not doing their due diligence on the case that they

575
00:31:43.359 --> 00:31:44.559
<v Speaker 1>were working well.

576
00:31:44.480 --> 00:31:47.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and the fact that it was so many complaints

577
00:31:47.200 --> 00:31:50.480
<v Speaker 2>and stuff like it needed to be looked.

578
00:31:50.200 --> 00:31:52.720
<v Speaker 1>At, right, Like, I don't care if you have one

579
00:31:52.759 --> 00:31:55.200
<v Speaker 1>case or if you have a hundred cases. If you

580
00:31:55.279 --> 00:31:59.359
<v Speaker 1>knock on the door and ask the alleged abuser are

581
00:31:59.400 --> 00:32:02.799
<v Speaker 1>you abusing some one? And you take their no as

582
00:32:02.839 --> 00:32:06.920
<v Speaker 1>a fact and walk away, you're not doing your job.

583
00:32:07.079 --> 00:32:10.160
<v Speaker 2>There is no one that would ever just be like, yeah, yeah, I.

584
00:32:10.119 --> 00:32:14.599
<v Speaker 1>Am right, Like, seriously, you're fucking kidding me. What are

585
00:32:14.599 --> 00:32:17.359
<v Speaker 1>they gonna do? Say they do have a hundred different

586
00:32:17.480 --> 00:32:19.400
<v Speaker 1>cases they're going to maybe they have one hundred cases

587
00:32:19.400 --> 00:32:21.119
<v Speaker 1>they have to go to that day. Is that how

588
00:32:21.119 --> 00:32:24.640
<v Speaker 1>they're going to treat every single fucking case? Then you're

589
00:32:24.680 --> 00:32:27.480
<v Speaker 1>not You're you're not doing your job. You're not You're useless.

590
00:32:27.480 --> 00:32:28.440
<v Speaker 1>Get the fuck out of here.

591
00:32:28.480 --> 00:32:30.599
<v Speaker 2>There's no point to what you're doing there, exactly.

592
00:32:30.880 --> 00:32:33.359
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you need to investigate, you need to do your

593
00:32:33.440 --> 00:32:36.799
<v Speaker 1>due diligence. You need to ask questions. Why why didn't

594
00:32:36.799 --> 00:32:38.720
<v Speaker 1>they talk to her siblings? Why didn't they talk to

595
00:32:38.720 --> 00:32:41.680
<v Speaker 1>to and to Jeanette. Maybe they should have talked to Richard.

596
00:32:41.759 --> 00:32:43.720
<v Speaker 1>Maybe Richard would have said something. Did they talk to

597
00:32:43.759 --> 00:32:45.799
<v Speaker 1>a neighbor, ask questions about the neighbor. Have you seen

598
00:32:45.799 --> 00:32:47.880
<v Speaker 1>the kids playing out in the yard? Do you know

599
00:32:48.000 --> 00:32:51.079
<v Speaker 1>the neighbor very well fucking talk to people?

600
00:32:52.000 --> 00:32:54.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah? Or did they talk to the like the grandma enough,

601
00:32:55.079 --> 00:32:59.200
<v Speaker 2>you know that wasn't even Jeanette's grandma, well was, but

602
00:32:59.279 --> 00:33:02.839
<v Speaker 2>like married and stuff? Right, So, like, how thoroughly did

603
00:33:02.880 --> 00:33:05.079
<v Speaker 2>they investigate this? It doesn't sound like they did much

604
00:33:05.119 --> 00:33:05.440
<v Speaker 2>at all?

605
00:33:05.680 --> 00:33:09.680
<v Speaker 1>No, not really. They did a house visit and questioned

606
00:33:09.680 --> 00:33:10.440
<v Speaker 1>Angela and that's.

607
00:33:10.319 --> 00:33:12.599
<v Speaker 2>It and then signs healed, delivered, done.

608
00:33:12.759 --> 00:33:14.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, And I'm not even sure if they like in

609
00:33:15.000 --> 00:33:17.079
<v Speaker 1>their house visit looked around the house. It could have

610
00:33:17.119 --> 00:33:18.960
<v Speaker 1>been just like a knock at the door conversation.

611
00:33:20.119 --> 00:33:22.240
<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, and like they needed to go in. There's

612
00:33:22.319 --> 00:33:25.000
<v Speaker 2>probably the lock still in the fucking door and shit.

613
00:33:25.400 --> 00:33:30.880
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, so where am I here? I lost? Okay, So,

614
00:33:30.960 --> 00:33:35.200
<v Speaker 1>after Jeanette finished eighth grade, Angela made the devastating decision

615
00:33:35.759 --> 00:33:39.119
<v Speaker 1>to pull Jeannette out of school, claiming that she would

616
00:33:39.160 --> 00:33:45.079
<v Speaker 1>homeschooler instead. No, yeah, this wasn't about providing a better education.

617
00:33:45.200 --> 00:33:48.440
<v Speaker 1>It was a calculated move to isolate Jeannette completely and

618
00:33:48.519 --> 00:33:51.720
<v Speaker 1>prevent teachers and classmates from noticing any signs of abuse,

619
00:33:52.559 --> 00:33:55.960
<v Speaker 1>which now I mean school was only was Jeanette's only

620
00:33:56.079 --> 00:33:59.200
<v Speaker 1>escape up until now, right, so her refuge from this

621
00:33:59.240 --> 00:34:01.920
<v Speaker 1>horror was gone.

622
00:34:02.079 --> 00:34:04.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm surprised, like I honest seem to just surprised you

623
00:34:04.440 --> 00:34:07.039
<v Speaker 2>that it's just carrying on so much, Like as she's

624
00:34:07.079 --> 00:34:10.800
<v Speaker 2>getting older, I feel like she's probably learning to like

625
00:34:11.119 --> 00:34:14.519
<v Speaker 2>almost be more and more invisible at home really, which

626
00:34:14.559 --> 00:34:17.719
<v Speaker 2>is so sad to think. But yet everything is just

627
00:34:17.760 --> 00:34:18.840
<v Speaker 2>getting worse for her there.

628
00:34:19.159 --> 00:34:22.400
<v Speaker 1>Correct, Yeah, And I don't think that she can be

629
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<v Speaker 1>invisible because I think it's things are specifically taken out

630
00:34:28.159 --> 00:34:34.000
<v Speaker 1>on her, like she is sought out to be abused. Like, say,

631
00:34:34.079 --> 00:34:36.679
<v Speaker 1>I don't this is completely speculation. I'm just making up

632
00:34:36.719 --> 00:34:38.800
<v Speaker 1>a scenario on the spot here, so don't quote this

633
00:34:39.039 --> 00:34:41.719
<v Speaker 1>for the story. This is just me throwing something out.

634
00:34:41.880 --> 00:34:44.360
<v Speaker 1>But like say, Angela comes home with some fucking groceries

635
00:34:44.880 --> 00:34:47.920
<v Speaker 1>and maybe there was a lot of people at the

636
00:34:47.920 --> 00:34:50.840
<v Speaker 1>grocery store, and she's pissed off, so she just goes

637
00:34:50.880 --> 00:34:53.679
<v Speaker 1>in the house, puts the groceries down, goes find Jeanette

638
00:34:53.719 --> 00:34:55.079
<v Speaker 1>and beats the shit out of her to get out

639
00:34:55.079 --> 00:34:58.000
<v Speaker 1>her frustrations. Like that sort of situation, you know, like

640
00:34:58.079 --> 00:34:59.920
<v Speaker 1>you can't be invisible when someone seeks you.

641
00:35:00.079 --> 00:35:02.599
<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, god, not.

642
00:35:02.679 --> 00:35:04.519
<v Speaker 1>A clarify again, I made that up just for the

643
00:35:04.519 --> 00:35:08.159
<v Speaker 1>sake of the conversation. So anyways, back to the actual

644
00:35:08.199 --> 00:35:13.599
<v Speaker 1>story though. In October of two thousand and nine, Angela's stepmother, Lynn,

645
00:35:13.840 --> 00:35:16.400
<v Speaker 1>so that's going to be the grandmother, right, managed to

646
00:35:16.440 --> 00:35:20.320
<v Speaker 1>visit the home briefly once again and she saw Jeanette

647
00:35:20.320 --> 00:35:23.679
<v Speaker 1>and was horrified. So Jeanette at the time, was being punished.

648
00:35:23.719 --> 00:35:25.639
<v Speaker 1>She was standing up against the wall. I mean, many

649
00:35:25.679 --> 00:35:27.559
<v Speaker 1>kids you know, time out right, No, it was against

650
00:35:27.559 --> 00:35:29.599
<v Speaker 1>the wall or whatever. So that's kind of the situation.

651
00:35:31.360 --> 00:35:34.719
<v Speaker 1>But Lynn was quite alarmed because it was a condition

652
00:35:34.880 --> 00:35:39.000
<v Speaker 1>Jeanette was in. She seemed severely emaciated and her body

653
00:35:40.039 --> 00:35:43.320
<v Speaker 1>was pretty much skin and bones at this point. Her

654
00:35:43.360 --> 00:35:47.280
<v Speaker 1>lip was split wide open, and her frail frame showed

655
00:35:47.360 --> 00:35:53.840
<v Speaker 1>every sign of prolonged starvation and her physical abuse. Angela

656
00:35:53.920 --> 00:35:56.719
<v Speaker 1>once again started making the excuses that she always did.

657
00:35:56.800 --> 00:35:59.599
<v Speaker 1>She claimed that Jeanette had just fallen and that's how

658
00:35:59.599 --> 00:36:01.639
<v Speaker 1>she split her lip open, and she's standing up against

659
00:36:01.679 --> 00:36:03.599
<v Speaker 1>the wall because she's she's just being punished for something

660
00:36:03.599 --> 00:36:06.800
<v Speaker 1>that she did, right, now, like just shaking things off, right,

661
00:36:07.920 --> 00:36:11.679
<v Speaker 1>Lynn left the house. She completely shook and immediately called

662
00:36:11.760 --> 00:36:16.199
<v Speaker 1>Chold Protective Services again, begging them to intervene, and tragically,

663
00:36:16.239 --> 00:36:19.840
<v Speaker 1>her pleas fell on deaf years once again. How the

664
00:36:19.920 --> 00:36:23.480
<v Speaker 1>shit are they falling because you have people not doing

665
00:36:23.519 --> 00:36:24.880
<v Speaker 1>their fucking jobs?

666
00:36:25.000 --> 00:36:26.519
<v Speaker 2>Oh my gosh.

667
00:36:26.599 --> 00:36:29.920
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. What Lynn didn't know though at this time, was

668
00:36:29.920 --> 00:36:32.239
<v Speaker 1>when she left the house that day, this would be

669
00:36:32.280 --> 00:36:34.760
<v Speaker 1>the last time that she ever saw Jeanette.

670
00:36:35.079 --> 00:36:38.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. Well, I mean it's only this only time is

671
00:36:38.519 --> 00:36:42.360
<v Speaker 2>gonna stop. Like, oh, I don't I can't even speak

672
00:36:42.480 --> 00:36:45.280
<v Speaker 2>right now because this is just like fucking with me

673
00:36:45.400 --> 00:36:45.880
<v Speaker 2>so bad.

674
00:36:46.119 --> 00:36:51.039
<v Speaker 1>Well, you're not gonna like this because this is literally

675
00:36:51.079 --> 00:36:54.199
<v Speaker 1>what I have written down here. Up until now, I

676
00:36:54.239 --> 00:36:57.000
<v Speaker 1>haven't really dove into the things that Jeannette endured from

677
00:36:57.039 --> 00:37:00.519
<v Speaker 1>her mother. So let me continue.

678
00:37:00.760 --> 00:37:02.159
<v Speaker 2>Do we need to continue?

679
00:37:02.760 --> 00:37:06.760
<v Speaker 1>Yes? Okay. I struggled a bit with myself and whether

680
00:37:06.800 --> 00:37:09.159
<v Speaker 1>I should talk about them or not, but it came

681
00:37:09.199 --> 00:37:15.119
<v Speaker 1>to the conclusion for Jeanette's sake, I would because I mean, ultimately,

682
00:37:15.639 --> 00:37:18.239
<v Speaker 1>on our podcast, we like to tell the victim story, right,

683
00:37:18.280 --> 00:37:19.480
<v Speaker 1>That's what we want to do, is we want to

684
00:37:19.519 --> 00:37:22.000
<v Speaker 1>bring the victims story to light and if we can,

685
00:37:22.119 --> 00:37:25.239
<v Speaker 1>in the same process, you know, take away any fear

686
00:37:25.280 --> 00:37:28.559
<v Speaker 1>mongering from the perpetrators, which is why we crack jokes

687
00:37:28.559 --> 00:37:30.639
<v Speaker 1>and we you know, make light of some of the

688
00:37:30.679 --> 00:37:33.360
<v Speaker 1>situations and call them names or whatever. But we want

689
00:37:33.360 --> 00:37:36.800
<v Speaker 1>to tell the victim's story. And I think if we

690
00:37:36.800 --> 00:37:39.880
<v Speaker 1>were to not tell some of the things that Jeanette

691
00:37:39.880 --> 00:37:43.480
<v Speaker 1>went through, I don't think we'd be doing any favors

692
00:37:43.480 --> 00:37:45.840
<v Speaker 1>for Jeanette. I think we'd be doing favors for Angela.

693
00:37:46.360 --> 00:37:49.119
<v Speaker 1>H So we are going to dive into some of

694
00:37:49.159 --> 00:37:50.360
<v Speaker 1>the things that Jeanette endured.

695
00:37:51.800 --> 00:37:55.559
<v Speaker 2>What's name again, Angela? Yes, okay, she is just a

696
00:37:55.599 --> 00:37:58.559
<v Speaker 2>piece of shit, Yes she is. I'm sorry, but we're

697
00:37:58.559 --> 00:38:01.320
<v Speaker 2>starting this conversation with that statement, and now we can

698
00:38:01.360 --> 00:38:02.079
<v Speaker 2>continue onk.

699
00:38:03.320 --> 00:38:06.440
<v Speaker 1>So, Angela's a piece of shit. And Jeanette's life was

700
00:38:06.519 --> 00:38:10.400
<v Speaker 1>defined by isolation, starvation, and constant violence. As we know,

701
00:38:11.239 --> 00:38:13.840
<v Speaker 1>she was forbidden from speaking to her own siblings and

702
00:38:13.960 --> 00:38:17.840
<v Speaker 1>was treated as an outcast within her family. Angela took

703
00:38:17.880 --> 00:38:22.440
<v Speaker 1>extreme measures to control Jeannette's access to food, locking the

704
00:38:22.519 --> 00:38:25.639
<v Speaker 1>kitchen cupboards and providing her with far less to eat

705
00:38:25.719 --> 00:38:29.039
<v Speaker 1>than anyone else in the house. Some days Jeanette wasn't

706
00:38:29.039 --> 00:38:31.880
<v Speaker 1>even given any food at all. She was forced to

707
00:38:31.920 --> 00:38:35.440
<v Speaker 1>sit there and watch her siblings eat dinner. What She

708
00:38:35.559 --> 00:38:37.960
<v Speaker 1>was forced to sit and watch her siblings play video

709
00:38:38.079 --> 00:38:40.880
<v Speaker 1>games or watch them watch TV, but she was not

710
00:38:40.960 --> 00:38:44.480
<v Speaker 1>allowed to watch the TV. She was unable to join

711
00:38:44.559 --> 00:38:45.440
<v Speaker 1>in at all.

712
00:38:45.679 --> 00:38:46.519
<v Speaker 2>What the hell?

713
00:38:47.119 --> 00:38:50.639
<v Speaker 1>Angela also deprived Jeannette of water. She removed taps from

714
00:38:50.719 --> 00:38:53.519
<v Speaker 1>sinks and turned off mean water supplies and locked the

715
00:38:53.559 --> 00:38:57.239
<v Speaker 1>bathroom doors. Jeannette had to ask permission, in fact, just

716
00:38:57.320 --> 00:39:00.960
<v Speaker 1>to use the bathroom at all to relieve her and

717
00:39:00.960 --> 00:39:04.400
<v Speaker 1>when Angela denied her, she was forced to soil herself

718
00:39:04.440 --> 00:39:08.280
<v Speaker 1>and remain in the filth. At times, she was desperate

719
00:39:08.280 --> 00:39:10.840
<v Speaker 1>for water, and Jeanette would resort to drinking from the

720
00:39:10.880 --> 00:39:13.360
<v Speaker 1>dog's water bowl or even the toilet when she was

721
00:39:13.679 --> 00:39:15.000
<v Speaker 1>granted access to the bathroom.

722
00:39:15.320 --> 00:39:18.039
<v Speaker 2>She even gave the like the dog even had fucking

723
00:39:18.119 --> 00:39:20.119
<v Speaker 2>water and shit, like what is going on here?

724
00:39:20.360 --> 00:39:25.400
<v Speaker 1>Yeah? Angela inflicted humiliation on Jeanette as well as a

725
00:39:25.400 --> 00:39:29.199
<v Speaker 1>twisted form of entertainment. She forced her to eat hot peppers.

726
00:39:29.440 --> 00:39:34.000
<v Speaker 1>So you have someone who's starving here, eat this right,

727
00:39:34.280 --> 00:39:37.880
<v Speaker 1>mm hmm. So both Angela and Jeannette know she's eating this,

728
00:39:38.000 --> 00:39:41.119
<v Speaker 1>She's gonna suffer, but Jeanette's like, this is all I

729
00:39:41.159 --> 00:39:42.599
<v Speaker 1>have to eat, so I have no other option.

730
00:39:42.800 --> 00:39:43.480
<v Speaker 2>Oly shit.

731
00:39:43.960 --> 00:39:47.800
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Other punishments include making Jeannette kneel or stand in

732
00:39:47.800 --> 00:39:51.639
<v Speaker 1>the corner while holding heavy objects above her head for hours.

733
00:39:53.039 --> 00:39:56.599
<v Speaker 1>And you have someone who's seriously weak, who has barely

734
00:39:56.639 --> 00:39:59.880
<v Speaker 1>anything on their bones, and they're being made to en

735
00:40:00.159 --> 00:40:05.239
<v Speaker 1>or a physical activity for hours on end. It was relentless.

736
00:40:05.559 --> 00:40:09.079
<v Speaker 1>The physical abuse Jeanett endured was even more horrifying than

737
00:40:09.679 --> 00:40:14.519
<v Speaker 1>honestly anything I can think of. She was punched, slapped, scratched,

738
00:40:14.679 --> 00:40:17.920
<v Speaker 1>kicked repeatedly. Her body was covered in bruises and cuts.

739
00:40:18.159 --> 00:40:23.480
<v Speaker 1>She had lost teeth that were knocked out from several beatings.

740
00:40:23.800 --> 00:40:29.199
<v Speaker 1>Angela frequently whipped Jeanette's bare back legs, butt with a belt, sticks,

741
00:40:29.400 --> 00:40:34.880
<v Speaker 1>or other objects, leaving her with deep lacerations. Sometimes things

742
00:40:34.920 --> 00:40:38.079
<v Speaker 1>would get infected or not healed properly, and she would

743
00:40:38.239 --> 00:40:41.840
<v Speaker 1>cut the dead flesh off with scissors. And some of

744
00:40:41.880 --> 00:40:45.760
<v Speaker 1>these wounds were so severe and so deep that one

745
00:40:45.840 --> 00:40:50.719
<v Speaker 1>particular one exposed her hip bone on her side. The

746
00:40:50.760 --> 00:40:53.880
<v Speaker 1>injuries made it difficult for Jeannette to move, let alone

747
00:40:53.920 --> 00:41:00.719
<v Speaker 1>function normally, things still just escalated to levels of unimagined cruelty.

748
00:41:01.239 --> 00:41:04.320
<v Speaker 1>Among the many horrific things Angela did, she regularly stomped

749
00:41:04.320 --> 00:41:06.639
<v Speaker 1>on Jeannette's feet so hard that the girl could barely

750
00:41:06.679 --> 00:41:09.840
<v Speaker 1>stand on both feet, often forced to balance on one

751
00:41:09.880 --> 00:41:13.480
<v Speaker 1>foot due to the pain. In an act of profound

752
00:41:13.519 --> 00:41:17.239
<v Speaker 1>humiliation and degradation, Angela would make her own children collect

753
00:41:17.320 --> 00:41:20.480
<v Speaker 1>dog feces from the yard, which she would then smear

754
00:41:20.519 --> 00:41:25.920
<v Speaker 1>on Jeanette's face and force into her mouth. These uh

755
00:41:26.440 --> 00:41:30.920
<v Speaker 1>torments stripped Jeannette of her dignity, but any or sense

756
00:41:30.960 --> 00:41:37.199
<v Speaker 1>of self worth as well. Oh boy, yeah, I'll let

757
00:41:37.239 --> 00:41:40.840
<v Speaker 1>you soak that in for a minute now again. This

758
00:41:40.880 --> 00:41:42.360
<v Speaker 1>is why I opened a drink today.

759
00:41:42.760 --> 00:41:48.480
<v Speaker 2>Mm hmm. This is just like I'm curious too if

760
00:41:48.480 --> 00:41:50.760
<v Speaker 2>this is I mean, it sounds like it's even worse

761
00:41:51.280 --> 00:41:54.159
<v Speaker 2>than how she was treated to us by Jerry. Hey.

762
00:41:55.000 --> 00:41:58.360
<v Speaker 1>Yes, actually I believe so. Yes, don't get me wrong,

763
00:41:58.519 --> 00:42:01.360
<v Speaker 1>I'm pretty sure Angela was treated like absolute garbage too,

764
00:42:01.400 --> 00:42:03.239
<v Speaker 1>but it seems like she stepped it up a little bit.

765
00:42:04.199 --> 00:42:06.840
<v Speaker 2>Huh wow.

766
00:42:08.719 --> 00:42:11.119
<v Speaker 1>So Jeanette spent most of her days locked in her room,

767
00:42:11.519 --> 00:42:14.559
<v Speaker 1>isolated from the rest of the family, when Angela beat her,

768
00:42:14.639 --> 00:42:16.880
<v Speaker 1>she would turn on the vacuum cleaner just to drowned

769
00:42:16.920 --> 00:42:19.880
<v Speaker 1>out Jeannette's screams ensuring that no one outside would hear

770
00:42:19.920 --> 00:42:21.679
<v Speaker 1>the horrors unfolding inside the house.

771
00:42:22.400 --> 00:42:26.960
<v Speaker 2>But they probably still did, you think, like, I don't know,

772
00:42:27.440 --> 00:42:27.960
<v Speaker 2>I don't know.

773
00:42:29.440 --> 00:42:32.079
<v Speaker 1>Now, the relentless cycle of abuse did finally come to

774
00:42:32.079 --> 00:42:34.800
<v Speaker 1>a head in December of two thousand and nine. At

775
00:42:34.800 --> 00:42:37.559
<v Speaker 1>some point in the early early month, Jeannette suffered a

776
00:42:37.599 --> 00:42:42.000
<v Speaker 1>devastating blow to the head. What or how it's unclear

777
00:42:42.960 --> 00:42:46.000
<v Speaker 1>the exact circumstance of this injury or just left unknown,

778
00:42:46.519 --> 00:42:49.159
<v Speaker 1>but it left her disoriented and unable to walk properly

779
00:42:49.280 --> 00:42:53.400
<v Speaker 1>or stand. Her condition worsened, and on December ninth, two

780
00:42:53.440 --> 00:42:57.920
<v Speaker 1>thousand and nine, Jeanette collapsed Unable to get up, She

781
00:42:58.000 --> 00:43:00.360
<v Speaker 1>fell asleep on the floor, and when Angela tried to

782
00:43:00.400 --> 00:43:05.719
<v Speaker 1>wake her, Jeannette was unresponsive. In panic, Jeanette and her husband, Richard,

783
00:43:05.760 --> 00:43:08.559
<v Speaker 1>carried Jeannette to an ice cold bath, hoping to shock

784
00:43:08.599 --> 00:43:11.960
<v Speaker 1>her awake, but the attempt failed. With no other options,

785
00:43:12.519 --> 00:43:14.599
<v Speaker 1>Angela dialed nine one one.

786
00:43:14.760 --> 00:43:17.199
<v Speaker 2>In a panic, like why would they even be in

787
00:43:17.239 --> 00:43:17.840
<v Speaker 2>a panic?

788
00:43:19.519 --> 00:43:22.119
<v Speaker 1>Because they accidentally killed her? They pushed her too.

789
00:43:21.960 --> 00:43:24.159
<v Speaker 2>Far because they fucked up, I guess.

790
00:43:24.000 --> 00:43:26.079
<v Speaker 1>Because someone's probably gonna find out now.

791
00:43:27.760 --> 00:43:29.880
<v Speaker 2>Put them in an ice bath, like oh.

792
00:43:29.679 --> 00:43:33.880
<v Speaker 1>My god, literally trying to shock them awake. If that's

793
00:43:33.920 --> 00:43:36.079
<v Speaker 1>going to wake them up, that will literally probably put

794
00:43:36.119 --> 00:43:40.239
<v Speaker 1>them into shock, which is yeah, anaphylactic shock is nothing

795
00:43:40.280 --> 00:43:45.440
<v Speaker 1>to fuck with. So when paramedics arrived Angela's Angela just

796
00:43:45.519 --> 00:43:48.719
<v Speaker 1>played dumb. Basically, to put it in the plaints of sentence,

797
00:43:49.400 --> 00:43:51.199
<v Speaker 1>she claimed that she had no idea what happened. That

798
00:43:51.320 --> 00:43:54.840
<v Speaker 1>just Jeanette just kind of collapsed. Yeah, she cried and

799
00:43:54.920 --> 00:43:57.039
<v Speaker 1>was begging them for them to save her daughter. Like literally,

800
00:43:57.039 --> 00:43:58.719
<v Speaker 1>when they're pulling up, she's out in the driveway like

801
00:43:58.760 --> 00:43:59.719
<v Speaker 1>screaming and crying.

802
00:44:00.159 --> 00:44:03.039
<v Speaker 2>You can't hide that, though, no, Like you just can't.

803
00:44:03.199 --> 00:44:05.880
<v Speaker 1>No, there's no way. She's basically putting on a show

804
00:44:05.920 --> 00:44:09.519
<v Speaker 1>of desperation. But her performance, like you say, couldn't hide

805
00:44:09.519 --> 00:44:13.480
<v Speaker 1>the truth. It was written all over Jeanette's body. Paramedics

806
00:44:13.480 --> 00:44:15.519
<v Speaker 1>foun Jeannette lying on her back in a dimly lit

807
00:44:15.599 --> 00:44:19.079
<v Speaker 1>living room, topless and unresponsive. Her body was covered in

808
00:44:19.119 --> 00:44:23.119
<v Speaker 1>deep cuts, bruises, and scars, evidence of the prolonged torture

809
00:44:23.119 --> 00:44:27.039
<v Speaker 1>that she had endured. Her emanciated frame was so skeletal

810
00:44:27.079 --> 00:44:30.639
<v Speaker 1>that her bones were visible beneath her skin. She weighed

811
00:44:30.920 --> 00:44:34.760
<v Speaker 1>fifty pounds at fifteen years old.

812
00:44:35.559 --> 00:44:39.800
<v Speaker 2>Shit fifty like five zero five zero.

813
00:44:40.000 --> 00:44:46.000
<v Speaker 1>She's fifteen one to five and weighed fifty five zero pounds.

814
00:44:46.760 --> 00:44:49.639
<v Speaker 1>It was immediately clear to the paramedics that Angela's story

815
00:44:49.840 --> 00:44:53.280
<v Speaker 1>didn't add up, but their focus had to remain on Jeanette.

816
00:44:53.920 --> 00:44:56.119
<v Speaker 1>She was showing no signs of life, so they tried

817
00:44:56.159 --> 00:44:59.480
<v Speaker 1>to work quickly and desperately to revive her, performing CPR

818
00:44:59.800 --> 00:45:01.880
<v Speaker 1>and inserting a breathing tube just to try and get

819
00:45:01.920 --> 00:45:05.719
<v Speaker 1>oxygen into her lungs. But despite their efforts, Jeanette was

820
00:45:05.719 --> 00:45:10.599
<v Speaker 1>pronounced dead shortly after arriving to the hospital. Jeanette Maples

821
00:45:10.639 --> 00:45:13.760
<v Speaker 1>died at just fifteen years old, but her short life

822
00:45:13.840 --> 00:45:17.440
<v Speaker 1>defined the unimaginable suffering at the hands of a person

823
00:45:17.480 --> 00:45:21.280
<v Speaker 1>who is supposed to protect her. Her death left paramedics,

824
00:45:21.440 --> 00:45:26.480
<v Speaker 1>medical staff, and investigators absolutely shaken, not only by the

825
00:45:26.519 --> 00:45:29.239
<v Speaker 1>severity of her injuries, but also by the systemic failures

826
00:45:29.239 --> 00:45:31.960
<v Speaker 1>that allowed the abuse to continue unchecked.

827
00:45:33.199 --> 00:45:35.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like I mean, there would be so many people

828
00:45:35.280 --> 00:45:38.280
<v Speaker 2>that would just be seeing her body, right, yep, I

829
00:45:38.480 --> 00:45:40.400
<v Speaker 2>can even imagine now.

830
00:45:40.480 --> 00:45:46.800
<v Speaker 1>Jeanette's official cause of death was it's kind of unknown.

831
00:45:47.320 --> 00:45:51.760
<v Speaker 1>They don't really know. The medical report listed multiple causes

832
00:45:51.800 --> 00:45:55.440
<v Speaker 1>as it was impossible really to pinpoint a single factor, right,

833
00:45:55.800 --> 00:45:59.159
<v Speaker 1>But it was officially attributed to quote, bleeding on the brain,

834
00:45:59.360 --> 00:46:03.920
<v Speaker 1>septic show, dehydration, and starvation. So we have multiple things

835
00:46:03.960 --> 00:46:07.960
<v Speaker 1>that could have been, but which one we don't know.

836
00:46:08.199 --> 00:46:11.719
<v Speaker 2>Well, yeah, it's just survi. It's surprising to even like

837
00:46:11.840 --> 00:46:15.400
<v Speaker 2>imagine someone weighing that little and like even being able

838
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<v Speaker 2>to function.

839
00:46:16.199 --> 00:46:20.480
<v Speaker 1>Hey, I don't know how she could. Yeah, I really

840
00:46:20.519 --> 00:46:24.800
<v Speaker 1>don't know how she could, honestly, Like you're you're what's

841
00:46:24.800 --> 00:46:27.880
<v Speaker 1>the average weight of an American fifteen year old? Or

842
00:46:28.119 --> 00:46:29.760
<v Speaker 1>I won't even do that. I'll just go average weight

843
00:46:29.800 --> 00:46:32.079
<v Speaker 1>of a fifteen year old. I'll see what Google says.

844
00:46:32.320 --> 00:46:35.920
<v Speaker 2>Female though, too. Yeah, I bet youd have. Like I'm

845
00:46:35.920 --> 00:46:37.960
<v Speaker 2>just trying to think it's I bet you it has

846
00:46:38.000 --> 00:46:41.960
<v Speaker 2>to be over one hundred pounds, hundred pounds, one hundred

847
00:46:41.960 --> 00:46:43.119
<v Speaker 2>and twenty pounds. I don't know.

848
00:46:45.400 --> 00:46:48.719
<v Speaker 1>Let me see the average weight of fifteen year old. Okay, well,

849
00:46:48.760 --> 00:46:51.599
<v Speaker 1>AI is in Google is popping up with an American

850
00:46:51.880 --> 00:46:53.679
<v Speaker 1>even though I didn't put that in, but the average

851
00:46:53.719 --> 00:46:55.960
<v Speaker 1>weight of a fifteen year old American girl is one

852
00:46:56.039 --> 00:47:01.000
<v Speaker 1>hundred and thirty seven point five pounds. Of course, it

853
00:47:01.039 --> 00:47:03.440
<v Speaker 1>depends on their frame, their height and all that. So

854
00:47:03.480 --> 00:47:05.760
<v Speaker 1>you are I would say, yeah, over one hundred pounds.

855
00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:08.239
<v Speaker 1>Let's just say one hundred and twenty five just to

856
00:47:08.280 --> 00:47:08.800
<v Speaker 1>be safe.

857
00:47:09.360 --> 00:47:13.480
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, was that so she was more than like half yeah?

858
00:47:13.679 --> 00:47:20.679
<v Speaker 2>Under gosh, yeah, I can't imagine. That is just so unhealthy.

859
00:47:20.800 --> 00:47:25.280
<v Speaker 1>So, after Jeanette's death, Angela and Richard mcinalty agreed to

860
00:47:25.480 --> 00:47:30.760
<v Speaker 1>accompany officers to the station for questioning. Before leaving the hospital,

861
00:47:30.840 --> 00:47:36.360
<v Speaker 1>the couple made up a little plan. Angela convinced Richard

862
00:47:36.400 --> 00:47:39.840
<v Speaker 1>to take the blame for Jeannette's death. She believed that

863
00:47:39.920 --> 00:47:43.800
<v Speaker 1>because of Richard's heart condition, which he had recently been

864
00:47:43.880 --> 00:47:47.480
<v Speaker 1>diagnosed with, that the court should be more lenient on him,

865
00:47:47.519 --> 00:47:49.199
<v Speaker 1>and she convinced him to take the blame for that.

866
00:47:49.760 --> 00:47:50.400
<v Speaker 2>Seriously.

867
00:47:50.760 --> 00:47:54.760
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. However, Richard eventually broke under the pressure of questioning.

868
00:47:55.119 --> 00:47:58.159
<v Speaker 1>He confessed to everything to the police, exposing the extent

869
00:47:58.199 --> 00:48:01.159
<v Speaker 1>of Angela's abuse and his role as a implicit bystander

870
00:48:01.800 --> 00:48:04.400
<v Speaker 1>as far as we are aware Richard never laid a

871
00:48:04.519 --> 00:48:06.159
<v Speaker 1>finger on Jeannette, but.

872
00:48:06.239 --> 00:48:07.360
<v Speaker 2>He did allow it to happen.

873
00:48:07.480 --> 00:48:11.679
<v Speaker 1>But he did allow it to happen. So yeah, he's

874
00:48:11.719 --> 00:48:15.400
<v Speaker 1>not as bad as Angela, but he's still fucking badh So,

875
00:48:15.480 --> 00:48:18.719
<v Speaker 1>on December sixteenth, two thousand and nine, Angela and Richard

876
00:48:18.760 --> 00:48:23.199
<v Speaker 1>were both charged officially with aggravated murder. Meanwhile, Jeanette's two

877
00:48:23.199 --> 00:48:26.039
<v Speaker 1>half siblings, Patience and Richard Junior, were removed from the

878
00:48:26.079 --> 00:48:30.719
<v Speaker 1>home and placed into protected custody. As police investigated the

879
00:48:31.079 --> 00:48:34.400
<v Speaker 1>mcinnlty home, they are met with scenes straight out of

880
00:48:34.400 --> 00:48:36.679
<v Speaker 1>a nightmare. And when I say they are met with

881
00:48:36.719 --> 00:48:39.199
<v Speaker 1>scenes straight out of a nightmare, I am literally quoting

882
00:48:39.239 --> 00:48:43.880
<v Speaker 1>the investigators who walked in through that door. Jeanette so

883
00:48:44.000 --> 00:48:47.480
<v Speaker 1>called room was revealed to be a space of unimaginable suffering.

884
00:48:48.039 --> 00:48:51.320
<v Speaker 1>Her bed was nothing more than a thin sheet of cardboard,

885
00:48:51.519 --> 00:48:55.599
<v Speaker 1>which was soaked with dry blood, urine, and feces beneath

886
00:48:55.599 --> 00:48:59.159
<v Speaker 1>the carpet. Because it was ripped up, Jeanette's blood had

887
00:48:59.199 --> 00:49:02.920
<v Speaker 1>seeped through the cardboard, threw the carpet and into the subfloor,

888
00:49:03.079 --> 00:49:07.599
<v Speaker 1>staining the wood. The room was later dubbed quote the

889
00:49:07.719 --> 00:49:11.199
<v Speaker 1>torture room by investigators.

890
00:49:11.800 --> 00:49:14.039
<v Speaker 2>And like that was probably all that was mostly in there.

891
00:49:14.039 --> 00:49:18.400
<v Speaker 2>She probably had no like personal items or anything, right, correct,

892
00:49:19.320 --> 00:49:23.079
<v Speaker 2>Like that is just not what a fifteen year old's room, she'd.

893
00:49:22.920 --> 00:49:26.639
<v Speaker 1>Look, That's not what anyone's room should now. Along the

894
00:49:26.639 --> 00:49:29.159
<v Speaker 1>walls of this quote torture room, which was her room,

895
00:49:29.639 --> 00:49:32.559
<v Speaker 1>blood and human tissue were found splattered on the walls,

896
00:49:32.800 --> 00:49:35.480
<v Speaker 1>providing chilling evidence of the beatings that took place within.

897
00:49:36.599 --> 00:49:39.039
<v Speaker 1>Among items recovered from the home, where a broken wooden

898
00:49:39.119 --> 00:49:42.440
<v Speaker 1>ruler covered in blood believed to be Angela's preferred weapon,

899
00:49:43.239 --> 00:49:49.079
<v Speaker 1>two belts that were stiff with dried blood, and jagged

900
00:49:49.199 --> 00:49:52.280
<v Speaker 1>tree branches that were also stained red with Jeanette's blood.

901
00:49:53.119 --> 00:49:56.920
<v Speaker 1>It was a horrifying scene that reflected everything that Jeannette

902
00:49:57.199 --> 00:50:02.360
<v Speaker 1>went through. Angela's try trial revealed the full extent of

903
00:50:02.400 --> 00:50:06.800
<v Speaker 1>the brutality, but her defense lawyer made an appalling argument,

904
00:50:06.920 --> 00:50:10.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't know how anyone could defend this or even

905
00:50:10.880 --> 00:50:14.239
<v Speaker 1>fucking say this money, I don't give a shit.

906
00:50:14.719 --> 00:50:17.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, well, I mean that can be the only reason.

907
00:50:17.119 --> 00:50:20.679
<v Speaker 1>I don't care. There's that's not an excuse.

908
00:50:20.559 --> 00:50:21.280
<v Speaker 2>No it isn't.

909
00:50:21.320 --> 00:50:26.800
<v Speaker 1>But but the defense lawyer's excuse was that Angela wasn't

910
00:50:26.800 --> 00:50:30.760
<v Speaker 1>a danger to society and didn't intend to kill her daughter,

911
00:50:31.320 --> 00:50:37.599
<v Speaker 1>and and would herself be a victim if sent to prison. Good, yeah,

912
00:50:38.199 --> 00:50:42.119
<v Speaker 1>I he's saying, Angela is the fucking victim if she

913
00:50:42.159 --> 00:50:44.599
<v Speaker 1>goes to jail. Are you fucking kidding? Like, what kind

914
00:50:44.639 --> 00:50:48.079
<v Speaker 1>of piece of shit is this lawyer that is?

915
00:50:48.559 --> 00:50:52.280
<v Speaker 2>That's I mean, well, he had to come up with something, right,

916
00:50:52.800 --> 00:50:54.639
<v Speaker 2>I guess I couldn't.

917
00:50:54.719 --> 00:50:57.280
<v Speaker 1>I wouldn't take that case. No, just fucking no.

918
00:50:57.800 --> 00:51:00.159
<v Speaker 2>Well, I think someone has to, though they were we

919
00:51:00.199 --> 00:51:03.679
<v Speaker 2>have to assign someone to her, right, which never really said.

920
00:51:03.679 --> 00:51:07.400
<v Speaker 2>But you're right, you're you're entitled to it, right, You're right,

921
00:51:07.480 --> 00:51:09.079
<v Speaker 2>he didn't even want it, and you just had to

922
00:51:09.079 --> 00:51:13.320
<v Speaker 2>be creative with some bullshit shit even if you don't

923
00:51:13.320 --> 00:51:15.239
<v Speaker 2>want it, and you have to do it, you're assigned

924
00:51:15.239 --> 00:51:17.360
<v Speaker 2>and you have to be creative because you're totally right

925
00:51:17.400 --> 00:51:18.239
<v Speaker 2>that that makes sense.

926
00:51:18.239 --> 00:51:19.840
<v Speaker 1>Someone has to do it otherwise, you know, they can

927
00:51:19.840 --> 00:51:22.559
<v Speaker 1>never get fully convicted, So someone has to be up

928
00:51:22.559 --> 00:51:27.199
<v Speaker 1>there to defender. Okay, great, Angela didn't intend to kill

929
00:51:27.239 --> 00:51:30.960
<v Speaker 1>her daughter. Sure, let's just say that.

930
00:51:32.280 --> 00:51:32.880
<v Speaker 2>Leave it at that.

931
00:51:33.079 --> 00:51:36.360
<v Speaker 1>Leave it at that. Angela didn't intend to kill her daughter.

932
00:51:36.239 --> 00:51:41.159
<v Speaker 2>Which maybe Sehn didn't. She probably didn't. She herself survived

933
00:51:41.320 --> 00:51:43.960
<v Speaker 2>all this shit that she went through, so she was

934
00:51:43.960 --> 00:51:46.320
<v Speaker 2>thinking it would just be the same for her own daughter.

935
00:51:46.599 --> 00:51:48.480
<v Speaker 2>Maybe she took it far too far.

936
00:51:48.639 --> 00:51:51.039
<v Speaker 1>Still doesn't mean it's okay, no for her or this

937
00:51:51.119 --> 00:51:52.320
<v Speaker 1>fucking piece of shit lawyer.

938
00:51:52.519 --> 00:51:55.000
<v Speaker 2>No, everyone in this case is a piece of shit

939
00:51:55.159 --> 00:51:56.039
<v Speaker 2>except Jeanette.

940
00:51:56.239 --> 00:51:59.639
<v Speaker 1>Well, yeah, fucking bad as how, she didn't do it

941
00:51:59.679 --> 00:52:00.000
<v Speaker 1>all that.

942
00:52:00.159 --> 00:52:02.079
<v Speaker 2>There's so many people in here that are just like

943
00:52:02.199 --> 00:52:03.119
<v Speaker 2>just pissy off.

944
00:52:03.400 --> 00:52:08.280
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Now, it would be February one, twenty eleven, when

945
00:52:08.400 --> 00:52:12.159
<v Speaker 1>Angela would plead guilty to aggravated murder, and by February

946
00:52:12.199 --> 00:52:14.840
<v Speaker 1>twenty fourth, the twenty eleven she was sentenced to death

947
00:52:15.039 --> 00:52:18.079
<v Speaker 1>for the torture and murder of her daughter, Jeanette.

948
00:52:18.599 --> 00:52:19.079
<v Speaker 2>Wow.

949
00:52:19.800 --> 00:52:22.320
<v Speaker 1>She became the only woman in Oregon to be sentenced

950
00:52:22.360 --> 00:52:26.480
<v Speaker 1>to death since the state reinstated capital punishments in nineteen

951
00:52:26.599 --> 00:52:32.320
<v Speaker 1>eighty four. However, Angela's sentence was reevaluated in August of

952
00:52:32.360 --> 00:52:35.960
<v Speaker 1>twenty and twenty and she was re sentenced to life

953
00:52:36.000 --> 00:52:38.320
<v Speaker 1>in prison without the possibility of paroles, so she is

954
00:52:38.360 --> 00:52:43.199
<v Speaker 1>no longer on death roll. Richard McNulty, while not directly

955
00:52:43.199 --> 00:52:46.039
<v Speaker 1>involved with physical abuse as I mentioned, was charged for

956
00:52:46.159 --> 00:52:52.480
<v Speaker 1>his inaction and complicit actions in not letting this continuing

957
00:52:52.480 --> 00:52:55.360
<v Speaker 1>to let this occur, and on April of twenty four

958
00:52:55.480 --> 00:52:57.480
<v Speaker 1>or sorry April twenty fourth, the twenty eleven, he was

959
00:52:57.519 --> 00:53:01.599
<v Speaker 1>sentenced to life in Prith prison and with the possibility

960
00:53:01.639 --> 00:53:06.519
<v Speaker 1>of parole after twenty five years. His failure to protect Jeanette,

961
00:53:06.559 --> 00:53:10.320
<v Speaker 1>combined with his willingness to turn a blind eye, sealed

962
00:53:10.480 --> 00:53:10.920
<v Speaker 1>his fate.

963
00:53:12.000 --> 00:53:15.239
<v Speaker 2>Well yeah, no, he definitely deserves something, that's for sure.

964
00:53:15.400 --> 00:53:22.519
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. So, Jeannette's story is one of incredible suffering, systemic failure,

965
00:53:22.920 --> 00:53:26.320
<v Speaker 1>and a haunting reminder of the importance of vigilance in

966
00:53:26.400 --> 00:53:30.960
<v Speaker 1>protecting children. Despite multiple warnings from concerned individuals, the system

967
00:53:31.199 --> 00:53:33.840
<v Speaker 1>failed her time and time again, leaving her to endure

968
00:53:33.960 --> 00:53:37.719
<v Speaker 1>years of unspeakable abuse. Well, Angela and Richard were ultimately

969
00:53:37.719 --> 00:53:41.320
<v Speaker 1>brought to justice, it was just too late for Jeanette.

970
00:53:42.199 --> 00:53:44.719
<v Speaker 1>Her tragic death continues to serve as a stark reminder

971
00:53:44.760 --> 00:53:48.360
<v Speaker 1>for accountability and reform and child welfare systems.

972
00:53:48.599 --> 00:53:51.679
<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, I'm sure that it, you know, at least

973
00:53:51.719 --> 00:53:56.360
<v Speaker 2>made a difference in It's probably saved people's life.

974
00:53:56.719 --> 00:54:02.280
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure, sure it has. But it's such a tragic story.

975
00:54:02.840 --> 00:54:05.239
<v Speaker 1>And don't get me wrong, like it's tragic what Angela

976
00:54:05.320 --> 00:54:07.320
<v Speaker 1>went through as well, because we have we have two

977
00:54:07.360 --> 00:54:11.039
<v Speaker 1>tragic stories. Honestly, here we have Angela's story of what

978
00:54:11.079 --> 00:54:16.079
<v Speaker 1>she endured, but then she just she perpetuated it and

979
00:54:16.159 --> 00:54:20.480
<v Speaker 1>she turned into someone worse than her father potentially well,

980
00:54:20.559 --> 00:54:26.199
<v Speaker 1>I mean, honestly, devil devil's advocate. Here, let's say Jerry

981
00:54:26.239 --> 00:54:29.440
<v Speaker 1>did commit that murder. Now we have Angela who did

982
00:54:29.440 --> 00:54:31.360
<v Speaker 1>commit the murder. She is her fucking father.

983
00:54:31.840 --> 00:54:35.840
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I know it almost, I know, like it's it

984
00:54:35.920 --> 00:54:38.320
<v Speaker 2>almost makes it worse though for me right now, because

985
00:54:38.320 --> 00:54:41.519
<v Speaker 2>she would know, she's exactly how that feels.

986
00:54:41.880 --> 00:54:42.719
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you're right.

987
00:54:44.840 --> 00:54:48.880
<v Speaker 2>Oh, this case is just so disgusting. It's just terrible.

988
00:54:49.480 --> 00:54:52.679
<v Speaker 1>And that's a story of Jeannette Sorr. I already closed

989
00:54:52.719 --> 00:54:53.880
<v Speaker 1>my laptop with Maple's there.

990
00:54:54.440 --> 00:54:58.000
<v Speaker 2>Maples, Maples, Maples. It makes you just want to like

991
00:54:58.880 --> 00:55:02.920
<v Speaker 2>turn the lights off, really and just like saw sob Yeah, completely,

992
00:55:03.159 --> 00:55:09.599
<v Speaker 2>I know it's horrifying. Oh yeah, so yeah, hopefully you

993
00:55:09.599 --> 00:55:11.119
<v Speaker 2>guys are going to be able to sleep tonight.

994
00:55:11.599 --> 00:55:13.400
<v Speaker 1>I don't know if I will be I spent several

995
00:55:13.480 --> 00:55:16.599
<v Speaker 1>days researching this case. And thank you to Scarlet for

996
00:55:16.679 --> 00:55:19.280
<v Speaker 1>putting that on us. I'm calling you out right now.

997
00:55:19.480 --> 00:55:23.199
<v Speaker 2>Gosh, don't be mean to Scarlet, but that is like

998
00:55:23.480 --> 00:55:27.960
<v Speaker 2>so brutal. But like, honestly, Jeannette's story does need to

999
00:55:28.000 --> 00:55:31.920
<v Speaker 2>be out there, and it's something that like people in

1000
00:55:34.480 --> 00:55:36.840
<v Speaker 2>I don't know, power, like in that kind of power

1001
00:55:36.880 --> 00:55:38.840
<v Speaker 2>that can help this, Like they need to change.

1002
00:55:38.639 --> 00:55:41.199
<v Speaker 1>Things like social workers or someone like in job detective

1003
00:55:41.199 --> 00:55:45.239
<v Speaker 1>services or authority figures. Yeah, do your due diligence, do

1004
00:55:45.320 --> 00:55:48.320
<v Speaker 1>your job, because if you don't, this is what can happen.

1005
00:55:48.639 --> 00:55:51.639
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. So it's like I don't know, it's if the

1006
00:55:51.679 --> 00:55:56.119
<v Speaker 2>only light is that it I'm sure it saved other kids. Yeah, right,

1007
00:55:56.760 --> 00:55:58.679
<v Speaker 2>And I think Jeanette would be the type of person

1008
00:55:58.719 --> 00:56:00.360
<v Speaker 2>that you know would be happy about that.

1009
00:56:00.599 --> 00:56:03.440
<v Speaker 1>I agree. So now I do want to clarify. I

1010
00:56:03.480 --> 00:56:06.159
<v Speaker 1>don't have anything against social workers. I don't have any

1011
00:56:06.199 --> 00:56:09.000
<v Speaker 1>anything against individuals in child protective service or any of

1012
00:56:09.039 --> 00:56:13.079
<v Speaker 1>these situations. I have an issue with people who don't

1013
00:56:13.119 --> 00:56:17.079
<v Speaker 1>do their due diligence. I understand people are human. I

1014
00:56:17.159 --> 00:56:20.719
<v Speaker 1>understand people make mistakes. I understand people might not see

1015
00:56:20.800 --> 00:56:26.000
<v Speaker 1>everything and you know, be unaware. But you cannot sit

1016
00:56:26.079 --> 00:56:29.920
<v Speaker 1>here and tell me that the child Protective Service person

1017
00:56:30.320 --> 00:56:34.719
<v Speaker 1>who knocked on that door and took Angela's word for

1018
00:56:34.800 --> 00:56:37.840
<v Speaker 1>it that she wasn't abusing Jeanette and walked away and

1019
00:56:37.880 --> 00:56:41.400
<v Speaker 1>closed the case did their fucking job. Yeah, I'm sorry

1020
00:56:41.440 --> 00:56:43.559
<v Speaker 1>that person. Yeah, piece of shit.

1021
00:56:44.239 --> 00:56:47.559
<v Speaker 2>Well, I'm I feel like it had to have been

1022
00:56:47.599 --> 00:56:51.079
<v Speaker 2>looked into, right, And so I'm wondering if some people

1023
00:56:51.119 --> 00:56:55.880
<v Speaker 2>that didn't do their due diligence got in some big

1024
00:56:55.920 --> 00:57:00.360
<v Speaker 2>trouble there, probably yeah, like they needed to have. Yeah,

1025
00:57:00.400 --> 00:57:02.480
<v Speaker 2>so yikes.

1026
00:57:02.719 --> 00:57:05.840
<v Speaker 1>Anyways, that is the story of Jeanette. Hopefully you guys.

1027
00:57:07.519 --> 00:57:09.199
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to say enjoy. It's always weird at

1028
00:57:09.199 --> 00:57:11.360
<v Speaker 1>the end when I'm like, hopefully enjoyed this story. It's

1029
00:57:11.920 --> 00:57:13.960
<v Speaker 1>hard to enjoy these stories. But at the same time,

1030
00:57:13.960 --> 00:57:17.360
<v Speaker 1>we are true crime fanatics, and I there is that

1031
00:57:17.440 --> 00:57:21.039
<v Speaker 1>hey enjoyed the story. You know what I'm saying. It's weird,

1032
00:57:21.079 --> 00:57:23.920
<v Speaker 1>but hopefully you guys enjoyed the story. Don't forget to

1033
00:57:23.920 --> 00:57:26.199
<v Speaker 1>follow our social links. All in the description of this podcast,

1034
00:57:26.239 --> 00:57:29.000
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1035
00:57:29.000 --> 00:57:31.079
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1036
00:57:31.800 --> 00:57:34.880
<v Speaker 1>means the world. We are an indie podcast, produced, researched

1037
00:57:34.920 --> 00:57:39.760
<v Speaker 1>all that by myself and Cole. It's us doing everything,

1038
00:57:39.920 --> 00:57:44.039
<v Speaker 1>No big corporation above us. It's us, US and the dogs,

1039
00:57:44.239 --> 00:57:47.360
<v Speaker 1>us in the doges, our moral support dogs. Yeah. And

1040
00:57:47.400 --> 00:57:48.039
<v Speaker 1>the chickens.

1041
00:57:48.480 --> 00:57:50.119
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and the chickens and the chickens.

1042
00:57:51.079 --> 00:57:52.880
<v Speaker 1>All right, thanks for being here and sorry that we're

1043
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<v Speaker 1>late on this episode getting it out today, but I

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<v Speaker 1>think it was worth the wait and worth putting in

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<v Speaker 1>the extra research to ensure I did Jeanette story.

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<v Speaker 2>Just oh yeah, absolutely so. Until next episode, stay Wicked,