WEBVTT 1 00:00:09.880 --> 00:00:12.599 Hello everybody, Welcome back to the fire Escape Cast. It 2 00:00:13.119 --> 00:00:19.640 is episode one hundred. About four years ago, Dan, Mary 3 00:00:19.640 --> 00:00:22.359 and I said what if we got together? We started 4 00:00:22.359 --> 00:00:25.359 a podcast for ninety nine episodes. We focused on video 5 00:00:25.359 --> 00:00:28.399 games and catching up an odd episode one hundred, Pull 6 00:00:28.440 --> 00:00:28.960 the rug out. 7 00:00:29.239 --> 00:00:32.600 I you saw. I was going, these tariffs are crazy. 8 00:00:32.679 --> 00:00:35.560 Let's dig into Yeah, Okaynada, really? What the hell? 9 00:00:35.600 --> 00:00:40.280 All our gas, much of our lumber, probably some aluminium somewhere. 10 00:00:40.119 --> 00:00:41.000 Let's dig into it. 11 00:00:41.079 --> 00:00:42.520 What the alf of America? 12 00:00:43.640 --> 00:00:43.799 Uh? 13 00:00:44.039 --> 00:00:46.920 No, Tonight we've got a fun episode planned. That's Dan, 14 00:00:47.000 --> 00:00:49.320 that's Mary. You know who they are, probably if you're listening. 15 00:00:50.079 --> 00:00:53.000 We figured we would do something different. We do have 16 00:00:53.079 --> 00:00:54.719 games we want to talk about, but we'll probably save 17 00:00:54.719 --> 00:00:58.840 that for next episode. Tonight, we have the sixty four 18 00:00:58.880 --> 00:01:03.880 game Bracket tournament to decide fire Escape Cast's favorite collective 19 00:01:03.920 --> 00:01:04.920 game of all time. 20 00:01:05.079 --> 00:01:07.040 No no, no, no, no no no, that's not pussy pute 21 00:01:07.040 --> 00:01:09.840 this here. Yeah, it's not our favorite. This is objective science. 22 00:01:10.120 --> 00:01:12.560 Were earning the best game of. 23 00:01:13.000 --> 00:01:15.760 One of us only voted from like three franchises, so 24 00:01:15.840 --> 00:01:18.079 I think it is more favorite than Mary. 25 00:01:18.359 --> 00:01:23.519 It's just some real tunnel vision coming from some people. 26 00:01:25.120 --> 00:01:27.319 So we do know we generally have a good idea 27 00:01:27.439 --> 00:01:28.840 of what each of us nominated. 28 00:01:28.879 --> 00:01:29.359 What did we do? 29 00:01:29.400 --> 00:01:33.719 We all nominated twenty five. We were Mary, who's seen 30 00:01:33.719 --> 00:01:34.000 the bracket? 31 00:01:34.040 --> 00:01:35.519 Though? Mary, I'm pretty much just going to toss to 32 00:01:35.519 --> 00:01:36.280 you from here on out. 33 00:01:36.680 --> 00:01:39.400 Sure, yeah, you we talked about doing this and I 34 00:01:39.400 --> 00:01:42.359 said I would take this on, and I asked you 35 00:01:42.400 --> 00:01:45.079 all to send me your top twenty five. What I 36 00:01:45.200 --> 00:01:48.079 promised you was that your top fifteen would make it. 37 00:01:48.120 --> 00:01:49.879 And I did that because I think, no matter what, 38 00:01:50.359 --> 00:01:56.519 even if they're stupid or just incredibly dumb, worthless, I 39 00:01:56.560 --> 00:01:58.959 would put your top fifteen in because they represent you. 40 00:01:59.719 --> 00:02:03.760 After that, there is some mixing in, some matchin to 41 00:02:03.840 --> 00:02:07.159 make sure that we're getting a holistic look at games. 42 00:02:07.680 --> 00:02:10.560 And I even put in ones that no one put 43 00:02:10.599 --> 00:02:14.560 in that I feel like are worth discussing just from 44 00:02:14.599 --> 00:02:20.680 a collective generational Yes, you should at least discuss know what, 45 00:02:20.759 --> 00:02:21.039 I just. 46 00:02:20.960 --> 00:02:23.400 Ignore Super Mario Odyssey, so I probably want to. 47 00:02:23.400 --> 00:02:23.800 Put that in. 48 00:02:23.960 --> 00:02:26.840 I can't not have some of these on here. 49 00:02:28.240 --> 00:02:30.599 Is that you're talking about one of the best games 50 00:02:30.599 --> 00:02:30.960 of all time? 51 00:02:31.080 --> 00:02:32.919 Is that, sarcast No, I'm just fucking with you. I 52 00:02:32.919 --> 00:02:33.960 love super Mario Otissey. 53 00:02:34.400 --> 00:02:36.639 We will there will be some fightings on this one. 54 00:02:36.680 --> 00:02:38.639 But I think what's interesting about this is that I've 55 00:02:38.639 --> 00:02:42.199 thought about that game we haven't started yet. I've put 56 00:02:42.240 --> 00:02:46.240 all these in a bracket, so sixty four bracket, which 57 00:02:46.400 --> 00:02:49.800 will give us six rounds where we essentially one against one. 58 00:02:50.199 --> 00:02:53.080 I randomized it, and it is truly random. I did 59 00:02:53.080 --> 00:02:56.039 not manually touch any of these. I hit random I 60 00:02:56.039 --> 00:03:00.199 think three times to ensure that there was like no biases. Yep, 61 00:03:00.960 --> 00:03:03.919 and here they are. They make me laugh. But what's 62 00:03:03.960 --> 00:03:07.680 funny is that Mike and Dan have not seen this bracket. 63 00:03:08.039 --> 00:03:13.199 So when I read what is our first matchup, it 64 00:03:13.280 --> 00:03:16.719 will be your first time hearing these two games that 65 00:03:16.759 --> 00:03:18.000 will go up against each other. 66 00:03:19.240 --> 00:03:22.360 To the deck, and if you, the listener, would like 67 00:03:22.439 --> 00:03:24.719 to see the bracket, we will have posted it by 68 00:03:24.719 --> 00:03:26.719 this point. I believe after this recording, we're going to 69 00:03:26.759 --> 00:03:28.919 post them the blank bracket. Well, I mean the first 70 00:03:29.000 --> 00:03:31.240 round you'll see the first round of sixty four. But yeah, 71 00:03:31.240 --> 00:03:32.840 we have not seen it. In fact, right before this 72 00:03:32.919 --> 00:03:34.199 recording we were like, oh, how are we going to 73 00:03:34.199 --> 00:03:36.680 do present this? And it's like, no, let's we should 74 00:03:36.719 --> 00:03:38.520 not know. I love the idea of it, like it's 75 00:03:38.560 --> 00:03:41.039 going to be totally just chaotic thrown out there, but 76 00:03:41.120 --> 00:03:43.400 at the end the science will all fall into place and. 77 00:03:43.319 --> 00:03:45.039 Will know that there's a bit of a march madness 78 00:03:45.039 --> 00:03:47.199 to it. You can follow along if you've written your 79 00:03:47.199 --> 00:03:53.000 brackets at home, you can see where. 80 00:03:50.800 --> 00:03:53.360 We did like a week ago, ask people to send 81 00:03:53.360 --> 00:03:58.479 in their their madness, their theory crafted winner and bracket 82 00:03:58.800 --> 00:04:02.199 and by now yes will know whether people need to 83 00:04:02.240 --> 00:04:05.800 be receiving some some cool stuff. But that's neither here 84 00:04:05.840 --> 00:04:08.960 nor there right now, because I'm ready to talk about 85 00:04:09.479 --> 00:04:11.680 a lot of Zelda there. 86 00:04:11.719 --> 00:04:14.800 There are several and you'll also notice I don't think 87 00:04:14.800 --> 00:04:18.439 this is a huge spoiler, but there was no Final 88 00:04:18.480 --> 00:04:20.319 Fantasies mentioned by anyone. 89 00:04:20.959 --> 00:04:24.480 No, we're trying to games. Yeah, this is the most 90 00:04:24.480 --> 00:04:25.519 overrated franchise. 91 00:04:25.639 --> 00:04:27.680 He told me. Yeah times that they think it's a 92 00:04:27.680 --> 00:04:29.120 bit offensive that we do not. 93 00:04:29.800 --> 00:04:32.160 We never no, no, no, no, we're just fine. We 94 00:04:32.199 --> 00:04:35.759 don't cover nerdy games. Yeah, they're fine games for ners. 95 00:04:35.879 --> 00:04:37.040 We don't talk about There was. 96 00:04:37.079 --> 00:04:39.439 Like three Final Fantasies ten years ago. Who cares. 97 00:04:39.639 --> 00:04:42.639 J are basically just visual novels and I don't consider 98 00:04:42.680 --> 00:04:45.160 that games so we cover games on this podcast. 99 00:04:46.199 --> 00:04:49.759 I nominated several JPGs. I believe I might be wrong, 100 00:04:49.879 --> 00:04:51.399 maybe marys and matches. 101 00:04:51.439 --> 00:04:54.120 There's some good genre blending in here, and I think 102 00:04:54.160 --> 00:04:58.519 people will recognize that. But there are entire categories or like, 103 00:04:59.240 --> 00:05:01.399 very popular games that did not make the cup because 104 00:05:01.399 --> 00:05:05.079 they're not our beloved game franchises. However, I did try 105 00:05:05.120 --> 00:05:08.759 to supplement with Yo. This is a very very popular game. 106 00:05:08.759 --> 00:05:10.000 It should be on here, and so I shoved it 107 00:05:10.000 --> 00:05:14.160 in there. Anyway, So Mario games, there's a couple, okay, 108 00:05:14.600 --> 00:05:20.120 and I'm happy. M hm, your Top fifteen is insane. 109 00:05:21.199 --> 00:05:23.759 I put so much thought in I did just copy 110 00:05:23.759 --> 00:05:25.199 and paste my Top twenty five. 111 00:05:25.600 --> 00:05:27.439 The same game like six times. 112 00:05:28.160 --> 00:05:29.399 You're gonna hear how different. 113 00:05:29.480 --> 00:05:32.160 I'm looking forward to Dan winning an argument for a 114 00:05:32.160 --> 00:05:34.040 three day times tonight. 115 00:05:36.680 --> 00:05:37.279 Very different. 116 00:05:38.519 --> 00:05:40.519 I could do a fucking ted talk about how different 117 00:05:40.519 --> 00:05:41.199 every Mario game. 118 00:05:41.680 --> 00:05:42.920 Some great fucking games. 119 00:05:43.199 --> 00:05:49.360 Yeah there's some great game, but a real asshole loco, man, 120 00:05:49.959 --> 00:05:51.759 a real fucking asshole of the tournament. 121 00:05:53.319 --> 00:05:55.040 All right, do you want to get started? 122 00:05:56.199 --> 00:05:56.480 Yeah? 123 00:05:57.439 --> 00:05:59.199 Way, I just want to give a quicker anecdote here 124 00:05:59.319 --> 00:06:01.480 that Mike told us to play a game and I 125 00:06:01.519 --> 00:06:03.079 loaded it up yesterday in case we were going to 126 00:06:03.120 --> 00:06:06.319 talk about new games today, and wouldn't you know it, 127 00:06:06.319 --> 00:06:09.240 it's another fucking game about rats in a fantasy environment, 128 00:06:12.000 --> 00:06:12.959 show a straight road. 129 00:06:13.360 --> 00:06:15.319 What is the deal with these rat games? 130 00:06:15.600 --> 00:06:17.519 They know how to get them. 131 00:06:18.040 --> 00:06:20.839 You'll you'll come around eventually. I'm just trying to slip 132 00:06:20.839 --> 00:06:22.279 it in through various genres. 133 00:06:22.319 --> 00:06:22.639 Right now. 134 00:06:22.680 --> 00:06:25.079 Okay, we should say we don't have judge Jake here. 135 00:06:26.439 --> 00:06:28.720 If anything comes down to a situation, if no one 136 00:06:28.720 --> 00:06:30.959 knows who Judge Jakes, we're basically tossed to a producer, 137 00:06:31.040 --> 00:06:34.160 Jake Decker, for Game of the Year, to basically bang 138 00:06:34.199 --> 00:06:36.319 the gavel and settle the dispute that really was not 139 00:06:36.560 --> 00:06:39.079 actually getting anywhere close to a conclusion. We are going 140 00:06:39.160 --> 00:06:42.120 to use the power of odd numbers tonight in extreme circumstances. 141 00:06:42.240 --> 00:06:44.000 If we need to go to a vote, that will happen. 142 00:06:44.319 --> 00:06:46.399 But we're going to let things play out as much 143 00:06:46.439 --> 00:06:47.519 as humanly possible. 144 00:06:48.279 --> 00:06:51.040 And I you know this is we're all friends here, 145 00:06:51.079 --> 00:06:53.000 We've done this before, We've done the debates. I will 146 00:06:53.040 --> 00:06:54.800 listen to any argument. I will not try to brute 147 00:06:54.800 --> 00:06:57.600 force anything through. I think we will all be gentlemen 148 00:06:57.680 --> 00:06:59.839 and ladies, and and we will, we will come to 149 00:06:59.879 --> 00:07:01.040 a proper conclusion. 150 00:07:01.120 --> 00:07:03.399 You're so noble for stating all that you just did. 151 00:07:03.560 --> 00:07:06.199 I didn't want to say it. You're so noble, but yeah, 152 00:07:06.360 --> 00:07:06.879 thank you. 153 00:07:07.120 --> 00:07:10.600 But anyway, me, the hero and person who made the 154 00:07:10.639 --> 00:07:14.199 bracket will place in the winning game after it has 155 00:07:14.240 --> 00:07:18.160 been democratically decided, and then we will proceed onward from there. 156 00:07:18.879 --> 00:07:23.279 Speaking of democracy, you've got some thoughts on this new fires. 157 00:07:23.480 --> 00:07:26.040 What is going on? Uh? 158 00:07:26.240 --> 00:07:30.439 Trudeau's like, I can't get a hold of this guy, Claudia. 159 00:07:29.959 --> 00:07:32.920 Down in Mexico. It's like, what about us? It's it's 160 00:07:32.959 --> 00:07:35.000 all we don't it's all mixed up, all right. 161 00:07:35.079 --> 00:07:38.519 First on the bracket, Celosi versus. 162 00:07:39.399 --> 00:07:45.199 Wait, she's still around. I don't an I wonder if 163 00:07:45.240 --> 00:07:54.199 anybody game rich who's your favorite demons A predicted in 164 00:07:54.199 --> 00:07:54.800 the final four? 165 00:07:57.079 --> 00:07:58.000 Okay, are we ready? 166 00:07:58.439 --> 00:07:58.600 Yes? 167 00:07:59.439 --> 00:08:02.000 All right? This is a sixty four game bracket, so 168 00:08:02.000 --> 00:08:03.240 this is gonna be in. We're gonna be here for 169 00:08:03.279 --> 00:08:09.560 the long haul. Our first matchup is Mike Tyson's punch out, 170 00:08:09.680 --> 00:08:12.439 Oh my god versus Tetris. 171 00:08:12.800 --> 00:08:17.120 What No, you can't fucking do that. This couldn't have 172 00:08:17.199 --> 00:08:22.439 been randomized. You can't do that to me. Random Look, 173 00:08:22.519 --> 00:08:25.360 I fucking love Tetris, but you don't I feel about 174 00:08:25.399 --> 00:08:28.360 punch Out, And that's a hard fucking argument to make 175 00:08:28.639 --> 00:08:32.320 versus Tetris universally beloved. 176 00:08:32.399 --> 00:08:34.600 I think Mary and I could just sit round one 177 00:08:34.639 --> 00:08:39.559 out and watch you implode. Fuck you too, I think 178 00:08:39.600 --> 00:08:41.480 it's randomized. I had nothing to do with any of 179 00:08:41.480 --> 00:08:43.000 this ran. 180 00:08:43.279 --> 00:08:44.919 That was that was my number one. 181 00:08:44.960 --> 00:08:46.440 Last time I did my like one hundred games of 182 00:08:46.440 --> 00:08:48.600 all time, I did punch Mike Tyson's punch Out. I 183 00:08:48.639 --> 00:08:50.480 don't feel that way anymore, but it's still definitely like 184 00:08:50.519 --> 00:08:51.240 top five for me. 185 00:08:52.320 --> 00:08:55.240 There's not even a point why. That's why the tournament 186 00:08:57.480 --> 00:09:03.240 tournament Tetriss. What are your thoughts on Tris? I've never 187 00:09:03.279 --> 00:09:04.120 been asked that before. 188 00:09:05.759 --> 00:09:10.919 No, truly, I don't know how to even. 189 00:09:12.840 --> 00:09:17.039 It's just like the purest distillation of video game like 190 00:09:17.360 --> 00:09:21.480 fun and strategy, and I know there's people that get 191 00:09:21.480 --> 00:09:24.279 into a certain zone where you can master that. 192 00:09:24.399 --> 00:09:25.120 Yeah, there's no rats. 193 00:09:25.240 --> 00:09:28.120 It depends on how you perceive the blocks, because actually 194 00:09:28.200 --> 00:09:30.600 I would say that the reason they're so nebulous, just 195 00:09:30.600 --> 00:09:34.600 like there's these slight changes in style and movement. I 196 00:09:34.600 --> 00:09:40.039 think you could interpret them as different animals or plants. Yeah, absolutely, 197 00:09:40.159 --> 00:09:41.440 what what's a square you? 198 00:09:42.759 --> 00:09:43.960 What makes punch Out so good? 199 00:09:45.159 --> 00:09:50.919 It is? What's the point this is? We want to 200 00:09:50.960 --> 00:09:52.080 waste everyone's time here. 201 00:09:52.279 --> 00:09:53.600 This is the most beautiful. 202 00:09:54.519 --> 00:09:57.559 I hate this, this punch out to get knocked out. 203 00:09:58.159 --> 00:10:01.559 This is why college wards use a seating procedure. Can't 204 00:10:01.960 --> 00:10:05.440 punch out each other, not the first round, but the 205 00:10:05.440 --> 00:10:06.639 first fucking match up. 206 00:10:06.759 --> 00:10:09.240 Yeah, well, speak of your mind about both games before 207 00:10:09.320 --> 00:10:11.039 one of them is lost for the rest of the night. 208 00:10:11.159 --> 00:10:13.559 Mike Texas, punch Out is first folds like the best 209 00:10:14.000 --> 00:10:17.080 looking game on the NES. There's giant, big ass sprites. 210 00:10:17.519 --> 00:10:20.919 It fucking it's the game that is aided, the game 211 00:10:20.960 --> 00:10:23.039 from that era that has aged the best. I would 212 00:10:23.080 --> 00:10:25.399 say it's aged better than anything on the NES. It 213 00:10:25.440 --> 00:10:30.519 is pure reflexes and skill and fun pattern recognition, reflexes. 214 00:10:30.559 --> 00:10:32.759 It's just it is everything I want a video game 215 00:10:32.799 --> 00:10:32.960 to be. 216 00:10:33.480 --> 00:10:33.679 Uh. 217 00:10:33.720 --> 00:10:35.960 It was also this weird anomaly that Nintendo made a 218 00:10:36.000 --> 00:10:38.559 game with Mike Tyson as the you know, like that 219 00:10:38.360 --> 00:10:42.559 that's just not the way Nintendo operates. Ever, It's uh, 220 00:10:42.720 --> 00:10:45.320 it's a lot, It's fucking Tetris. Just put Tetris forward. 221 00:10:45.440 --> 00:10:49.240 Yeah, just to say, like there's no game that has 222 00:10:49.759 --> 00:10:53.399 uh passed the test of time better than Tetris itself. 223 00:10:53.639 --> 00:10:53.799 Right. 224 00:10:53.879 --> 00:10:55.639 Tetris was on the n E s and it's also 225 00:10:55.679 --> 00:11:00.120 on everybody's mobile phone currently. It is the game that 226 00:11:00.200 --> 00:11:04.279 you go to. It's the game that old people, uh 227 00:11:04.720 --> 00:11:08.440 normally aged people and babies all know what Tetris is 228 00:11:08.480 --> 00:11:09.200 and can play it. 229 00:11:09.679 --> 00:11:11.519 Would I would argue that, like I've never done it 230 00:11:11.559 --> 00:11:13.919 on a phone because it's just like I love Tempris 231 00:11:13.919 --> 00:11:16.080 so much and it does feel so just sticky and 232 00:11:16.159 --> 00:11:18.879 nice and responsive that like I've tried it before, like 233 00:11:18.879 --> 00:11:20.679 when EA put out that first tepts on phones, Like, 234 00:11:20.679 --> 00:11:22.639 I don't want any muddiness in my Tetris. I want 235 00:11:22.679 --> 00:11:26.279 immediately fast drop all that that's all bad. 236 00:11:26.559 --> 00:11:28.519 I played it on like one of those like really 237 00:11:28.559 --> 00:11:30.720 shitty phones that wasn't even a smartphone, you know, where 238 00:11:30.759 --> 00:11:33.480 they could barely do anything. I played Tetris on that 239 00:11:33.519 --> 00:11:34.919 bad baby all the time. 240 00:11:35.919 --> 00:11:37.720 And bonus too, it's the one they say you should 241 00:11:37.720 --> 00:11:39.480 play if you like walk in on a murder scene 242 00:11:39.519 --> 00:11:41.240 and you want to like have your brain process it 243 00:11:41.279 --> 00:11:43.799 faster so you don't have as much PTSD, so I 244 00:11:43.840 --> 00:11:45.600 don't know if anything else in the tournament has that. 245 00:11:45.639 --> 00:11:48.080 So that's another QUI have they really said that? They 246 00:11:48.120 --> 00:11:50.559 say that, Like, who's they? Just they? I don't know, 247 00:11:50.639 --> 00:11:51.720 doctor or scientists whatever. 248 00:11:51.720 --> 00:11:53.360 It's supposed to be a thing where it's like if 249 00:11:53.360 --> 00:11:56.559 you see something traumatic, like you know, a car crash 250 00:11:56.679 --> 00:11:59.360 or dead bodies or something, or encounter something super dramatic 251 00:11:59.639 --> 00:12:02.440 that it it's good to like play Tetris right afterwards 252 00:12:02.480 --> 00:12:03.399 because it's supposed to. 253 00:12:03.279 --> 00:12:06.200 Just kind of help your brain. Look, I can't explain it, 254 00:12:06.200 --> 00:12:08.080 but like I've heard that many times. 255 00:12:07.840 --> 00:12:10.879 If you need trauma, you can play Mike Tyson's punch Out. 256 00:12:11.159 --> 00:12:12.759 It's it has injured me. 257 00:12:12.840 --> 00:12:15.039 That is too good. 258 00:12:15.519 --> 00:12:20.039 You can add trauma from punch Out. Tetris removes trauma. 259 00:12:20.519 --> 00:12:23.200 Tyson sent me to like three months of physical therapy 260 00:12:23.240 --> 00:12:24.679 for my hand when I was speed running it. 261 00:12:24.759 --> 00:12:28.159 So yeah, it nurts you. It's Look, I. 262 00:12:30.320 --> 00:12:32.159 Feel like there's an argument I could make if if 263 00:12:32.159 --> 00:12:35.840 you put like a Mario World against Tetris like a 264 00:12:35.879 --> 00:12:37.960 but like, there's no fucking way I'm getting punch Out 265 00:12:37.960 --> 00:12:38.720 pass afters right. 266 00:12:39.600 --> 00:12:41.279 No, Mary's just smiling. I liked. 267 00:12:41.360 --> 00:12:44.600 I liked punch Out quite a bit. Uh I played 268 00:12:44.639 --> 00:12:46.600 it you you put it in my hands. You put 269 00:12:46.639 --> 00:12:49.679 it in my hands back a few years ago at 270 00:12:49.720 --> 00:12:51.960 your place in Connecticut, I believe, just to see how 271 00:12:51.960 --> 00:12:53.360 I liked it, because you've had a hunch I would 272 00:12:53.399 --> 00:12:56.759 like it because of my appreciation for like pattern recognition 273 00:12:56.799 --> 00:12:58.840 and Dark Soul's bosses, et cetera. And I loved it, 274 00:12:59.039 --> 00:12:59.679 and I like. 275 00:13:00.480 --> 00:13:02.600 I went in with Hubris thinking I would master it 276 00:13:02.639 --> 00:13:04.759 that night, and then holy shit, I don't think I 277 00:13:04.799 --> 00:13:10.200 got past the third enemy or fighter rather so like clearly, 278 00:13:10.279 --> 00:13:12.519 that's it's really impressive that a game in the ne 279 00:13:12.519 --> 00:13:14.440 e s era had that high of a skill ceiling. 280 00:13:15.639 --> 00:13:17.679 But Tetris is Tetris. 281 00:13:17.799 --> 00:13:22.799 It's Tetris timeless. I'm not going to waste anyone's time more. 282 00:13:22.840 --> 00:13:24.799 But I got hosed, all right. 283 00:13:25.080 --> 00:13:31.399 That's punch Out versus Tetris. The winner is Tetris. Submitted. 284 00:13:33.559 --> 00:13:35.879 He's so excited when you heard punch Out and then 285 00:13:36.519 --> 00:13:37.240 went off a cliff. 286 00:13:37.360 --> 00:13:39.440 It's like the worst thing you can a couple of these. 287 00:13:39.639 --> 00:13:41.759 There's a couple of these that I'm really excited about. 288 00:13:42.480 --> 00:13:42.799 Babies. 289 00:13:43.519 --> 00:13:46.440 Our next matchup, Breath of the wild versus the birth 290 00:13:46.480 --> 00:13:55.840 of your first born. Luckily we're all barren. Dishonored too 291 00:13:57.639 --> 00:14:00.000 versus Star Wars Galactic battle Ground. 292 00:14:01.519 --> 00:14:02.480 I'm gonna go see. 293 00:14:04.360 --> 00:14:04.559 Well. 294 00:14:04.639 --> 00:14:04.919 Fuck. 295 00:14:05.840 --> 00:14:07.879 Actually, no, I already know what should win this, Mary, 296 00:14:07.879 --> 00:14:08.879 I don't know if you have thoughts. 297 00:14:09.360 --> 00:14:13.639 I mean, I think that Dishonored is one of the 298 00:14:13.639 --> 00:14:18.200 most beloved games of modern times. Keep coming back to it. 299 00:14:18.200 --> 00:14:21.919 It's very inspiring to other games. I think Star Wars 300 00:14:22.000 --> 00:14:25.279 is Galactic Battlegrounds as well made, but I just don't 301 00:14:25.279 --> 00:14:27.879 think it's had the impact that Dishonored two has had. 302 00:14:27.879 --> 00:14:29.279 But I'm curious what you think. 303 00:14:29.679 --> 00:14:32.840 Uh No, I think Dishonored two is much better. Galactic 304 00:14:32.840 --> 00:14:34.480 ballleground is super cool. I've had a lot of fun 305 00:14:34.519 --> 00:14:37.159 with it. It is it's running off the Age of 306 00:14:37.159 --> 00:14:39.360 Empire's engine from back in the day, but it basically 307 00:14:39.399 --> 00:14:41.240 just like blew up the Star Wars universe. And as 308 00:14:41.240 --> 00:14:43.240 someone who used to like play a lot of real 309 00:14:43.279 --> 00:14:46.279 time strategy games and theory craft what Lord of the 310 00:14:46.360 --> 00:14:48.679 Rings strategy game would look like or Star Wars, to 311 00:14:48.759 --> 00:14:52.000 have that in my hands was phenomenal, especially its scenario editor. 312 00:14:52.039 --> 00:14:54.799 I actually learned like very very basic coding and pathing 313 00:14:54.879 --> 00:14:58.279 and making campaign missions in that game with Qui Gon 314 00:14:58.320 --> 00:15:02.080 and Obi Wan but two, having just recently replayed it, 315 00:15:03.440 --> 00:15:07.080 I will say Designer two is much better. But I 316 00:15:06.919 --> 00:15:09.039 I will say Dishoner two, I think is the best 317 00:15:09.080 --> 00:15:12.240 immersive sim ever made. I'm not going to go super 318 00:15:12.240 --> 00:15:13.840 far in because I'll have to argue for it again 319 00:15:13.960 --> 00:15:17.600 next round. But Dishonor two, I just played it again 320 00:15:17.679 --> 00:15:19.919 two weeks ago. I'm still playing it. Rather, I started 321 00:15:19.919 --> 00:15:22.720 again two weeks ago, and it holds up real well. 322 00:15:22.759 --> 00:15:26.799 Since two thousand and sixteen, I believe it was so Yeah, 323 00:15:26.799 --> 00:15:28.639 Dishonner two is the game there. But if you haven't, 324 00:15:28.759 --> 00:15:30.600 Galactic Battlegrounds is on Steam. You can go buy the 325 00:15:30.639 --> 00:15:32.559 whole collection for like twenty bucks and go check it 326 00:15:32.559 --> 00:15:37.519 out if you like weird, huge, big budget RTS games 327 00:15:37.519 --> 00:15:39.639 that no one talks about anymore. But uh, but yeah, 328 00:15:39.639 --> 00:15:41.759 Dishonner two goes to the next round for sure in 329 00:15:41.799 --> 00:15:42.279 my opinion. 330 00:15:42.480 --> 00:15:44.559 Can't wait for Dishonor two to get us nuts stomped 331 00:15:44.600 --> 00:15:45.960 on by a T block next round? 332 00:15:46.559 --> 00:15:47.799 Oh yeah, is that is that? Yeah? 333 00:15:47.799 --> 00:15:50.960 I guess it has gone against Yeah, you'll know how all. 334 00:15:50.919 --> 00:15:53.159 Right, Now you're gonna start feeling it. I will say 335 00:15:53.159 --> 00:15:55.240 that there are a couple that I think will make 336 00:15:55.879 --> 00:15:59.240 Mike squirm that are coming up, but like this, some 337 00:15:59.279 --> 00:15:59.960 of them are easier. 338 00:16:00.039 --> 00:16:04.240 I'm definitely I'll save the designer to true argument, not argument, 339 00:16:04.279 --> 00:16:08.320 but like send off for next round rather than delay 340 00:16:08.320 --> 00:16:09.200 things in the first round. 341 00:16:09.759 --> 00:16:12.360 Fantastic, Well would you like. 342 00:16:12.320 --> 00:16:17.000 Another gets out gets canceled as we're doing this argument 343 00:16:17.159 --> 00:16:18.759 we find out for being racist or. 344 00:16:18.919 --> 00:16:24.440 Yeah, like the Russian it would be bad whoever made it. 345 00:16:24.480 --> 00:16:26.639 I think we got to separate here from the artist 346 00:16:26.759 --> 00:16:30.960 on this one. There's still there's too many villains on 347 00:16:31.000 --> 00:16:31.679 this bracket. 348 00:16:31.720 --> 00:16:36.120 Then Alexandria comes out against Gregoro. 349 00:16:38.559 --> 00:16:41.200 This is a joke for just I like it. I 350 00:16:41.200 --> 00:16:45.120 appreciate it. Just I just watched that like two days ago. Okay, sorry, 351 00:16:45.279 --> 00:16:45.799 Next all right? 352 00:16:46.399 --> 00:16:57.320 Next matchup Warrior where Mega micro Games versus Metroid Prime. 353 00:17:00.200 --> 00:17:03.840 Wait, I also nominated Prime. So this is either Dan 354 00:17:03.919 --> 00:17:04.559 dig you as well? 355 00:17:05.039 --> 00:17:11.960 Yeah? Probably, I mean regardless, it's met fright Prime. There's 356 00:17:12.079 --> 00:17:14.680 such a we're powerless. 357 00:17:14.799 --> 00:17:17.759 It's the third matchup, and there's already like a fear 358 00:17:18.000 --> 00:17:19.759 that comes into Dan's eyes when he hears one of 359 00:17:19.799 --> 00:17:20.279 his games. 360 00:17:21.079 --> 00:17:22.960 You start with like one of my favorite games ever, 361 00:17:23.000 --> 00:17:24.640 and I'm like, oh's great, what's next? 362 00:17:24.680 --> 00:17:26.759 And now here's another one of my favorite games. 363 00:17:26.759 --> 00:17:29.759 So many like you put so many silly billies in here, 364 00:17:29.839 --> 00:17:33.440 being like I like this one, Like there's real games 365 00:17:33.599 --> 00:17:37.200 going again, there were no silly billies. Then fight for Warrior. 366 00:17:37.279 --> 00:17:41.079 Where Mega micro games you don't go for it. 367 00:17:41.079 --> 00:17:44.720 It is, uh the game. It is the game I 368 00:17:44.839 --> 00:17:49.240 probably load up the most of any video game throughout 369 00:17:49.319 --> 00:17:52.319 the last twenty five years or I guess twenty. 370 00:17:52.359 --> 00:17:54.799 It probably came out in like mid two thousands. It 371 00:17:54.960 --> 00:17:58.400 is the most instant fun game there is. 372 00:17:58.799 --> 00:17:59.160 Uh. 373 00:17:59.200 --> 00:18:01.079 It is the game that I put on whenever I 374 00:18:01.119 --> 00:18:03.119 get all these like new handhelds and stuff, whether it's 375 00:18:03.119 --> 00:18:06.440 a analog pocket or you know, the trip, all these 376 00:18:06.440 --> 00:18:08.640 little gimmick things I get, I always just make sure 377 00:18:08.680 --> 00:18:10.240 warri Wear is on it. And it's always the game 378 00:18:10.279 --> 00:18:12.799 I play the most on it because in any circumstance 379 00:18:12.880 --> 00:18:14.880 I can just pick it up, play Warrior. 380 00:18:14.920 --> 00:18:16.480 Where instant fun. 381 00:18:16.680 --> 00:18:18.759 I mean, the whole deal with the Mega microgames thing 382 00:18:19.200 --> 00:18:21.839 is that it's they're like seconds long. You got to 383 00:18:21.839 --> 00:18:24.200 figure out what's going on. It's funny the first time 384 00:18:24.240 --> 00:18:25.599 because you're always like, what the fuck is this? So 385 00:18:25.680 --> 00:18:28.400 a hot dog ran me over and then past that. 386 00:18:28.599 --> 00:18:30.880 It's just actually this very kind of skillful, fun thing 387 00:18:30.920 --> 00:18:34.160 to try to get your highest score. It's it's funny, 388 00:18:34.319 --> 00:18:36.599 it's there's a ton of variety to it because there's 389 00:18:36.839 --> 00:18:40.200 tons and tons of micro games. It's Yeah, I just 390 00:18:40.240 --> 00:18:44.000 I adore the humor of it, the idea of Warrio 391 00:18:44.160 --> 00:18:46.240 just being greedy and being like, oh, games are big, 392 00:18:46.599 --> 00:18:49.039 I'm just gonna make a bunch of shitty tiny games 393 00:18:49.079 --> 00:18:50.920 and then you're just playing through it, like the lore 394 00:18:51.000 --> 00:18:57.279 to this like little minigame collection. Yeah, do either you 395 00:18:57.279 --> 00:18:58.160 play Warrior Wear at all. 396 00:18:58.519 --> 00:19:01.720 I've enjoyed them like as one off experiences. I'm not 397 00:19:01.759 --> 00:19:03.240 a devotee by any means. 398 00:19:03.480 --> 00:19:04.200 I actually played. 399 00:19:04.200 --> 00:19:08.039 The most I played was with you at the recent ones. 400 00:19:08.799 --> 00:19:11.480 Yeah. No, it was the first in the squats. Yeah, 401 00:19:11.480 --> 00:19:12.200 and then people. 402 00:19:12.000 --> 00:19:15.480 Were like getting mad at me that I wasn't stopping you, 403 00:19:15.680 --> 00:19:17.759 as if I have power over what you do with 404 00:19:17.799 --> 00:19:19.000 your body. 405 00:19:19.440 --> 00:19:22.960 Yeah, I'm pro choice. It is. Yeah. I mean that's 406 00:19:22.960 --> 00:19:23.200 the thing. 407 00:19:23.200 --> 00:19:24.960 I love so many old games, and I play so 408 00:19:25.000 --> 00:19:27.799 many retro games. I don't load up linked to the 409 00:19:27.839 --> 00:19:30.000 past or even like Mario World. As much as I 410 00:19:30.039 --> 00:19:33.480 load up warriorware every single year for a couple of decades, 411 00:19:33.519 --> 00:19:34.200 I'm gonna keep. 412 00:19:34.119 --> 00:19:37.079 That in my back pocket for tonight. Remember, you don't 413 00:19:37.119 --> 00:19:40.039 load up Mario World or Linked to the past. 414 00:19:40.079 --> 00:19:42.440 You have the right to remain silent. But he's just 415 00:19:42.559 --> 00:19:44.680 talking about a game that's already dead. 416 00:19:46.400 --> 00:19:47.359 Is there no chance here? 417 00:19:47.880 --> 00:19:48.559 It's up to you. 418 00:19:48.640 --> 00:19:56.599 I don't care one of them. Yes, I absolutely care. Sorry, 419 00:19:56.680 --> 00:19:59.759 I'm yeah. I think bet My Prime is much better. 420 00:19:59.599 --> 00:20:02.440 Than Luania as a genre. 421 00:20:02.680 --> 00:20:07.319 But I think I think, wait, wait, are you saying 422 00:20:07.359 --> 00:20:10.039 that Metroid Prime started Metroid Vanas, because that is not 423 00:20:10.079 --> 00:20:10.480 the kicks. 424 00:20:10.799 --> 00:20:14.160 I think that Metroid has made Metroid vanias, and I 425 00:20:14.200 --> 00:20:18.240 think that Metroid Prime is the best in the Metroid series. 426 00:20:20.160 --> 00:20:20.359 Yeah. 427 00:20:20.400 --> 00:20:22.960 But when I think Metroidvania, I mean, if you're giving 428 00:20:22.960 --> 00:20:25.799 it the credit of like the Metroid Vania name, I 429 00:20:25.799 --> 00:20:28.279 think that's typically Like there are Metroidvania elements you can 430 00:20:28.319 --> 00:20:30.000 talk about, like you know Arkham Asylum in three D 431 00:20:30.079 --> 00:20:34.119 games having metro Venia elements, But metroc Prime was kind 432 00:20:34.160 --> 00:20:35.960 of its own thing. I think the shocking thing that 433 00:20:35.960 --> 00:20:38.920 that did was that they were able to take those elements, 434 00:20:38.960 --> 00:20:41.720 the Metrodvaneus stuff and turn it into a three D game, 435 00:20:42.079 --> 00:20:44.720 and everyone was skeptical about it. Everyone's like, it's not 436 00:20:44.960 --> 00:20:47.640 going to be good in first person, and they absolutely 437 00:20:47.759 --> 00:20:49.880 nailed the field of Metroid So like it is really 438 00:20:49.920 --> 00:20:52.559 really great, but I definitely would not give it any 439 00:20:52.839 --> 00:20:57.079 added benefit in terms of like genre stuff. 440 00:20:57.599 --> 00:21:00.119 I think I think we do have the right so 441 00:21:00.319 --> 00:21:03.319 to say that it advanced the genre. I do think 442 00:21:03.359 --> 00:21:05.960 we have the right to say that it was revolutionary. 443 00:21:06.000 --> 00:21:08.559 And this will come up in this bracket a lot, 444 00:21:08.920 --> 00:21:11.960 which is not just what you like of it or 445 00:21:12.000 --> 00:21:14.319 what this group thinks about of it, but what did 446 00:21:14.319 --> 00:21:15.279 it do for games? 447 00:21:15.480 --> 00:21:15.640 Right? 448 00:21:15.720 --> 00:21:19.359 That's one of the reasons Tetris just destroyed Mike Tyson's 449 00:21:19.359 --> 00:21:22.960 punch Out is because it was revolutionary and it really 450 00:21:23.000 --> 00:21:26.079 skyrocketed games into a new era. So I just think 451 00:21:26.880 --> 00:21:29.880 that's something that Metroid series does. I think that's what 452 00:21:30.039 --> 00:21:33.839 Prime did very specifically, and I just don't think Warrior 453 00:21:33.880 --> 00:21:36.720 Ware is like on the same caliber, even though it 454 00:21:36.799 --> 00:21:37.400 is fun. 455 00:21:37.599 --> 00:21:39.759 Also just think you from a game design perspective, I 456 00:21:40.720 --> 00:21:43.440 have to admit before you actually put Warriorware in my hands, Dan, 457 00:21:43.519 --> 00:21:47.599 I was not like impressed by the quote unquote collection 458 00:21:47.759 --> 00:21:51.759 of minigames reductive view. I had of it, very impressed 459 00:21:51.799 --> 00:21:53.440 once I saw it all come together. I do think 460 00:21:54.160 --> 00:21:58.640 it's much more impressive that Metroid Prime sustains like this 461 00:21:58.920 --> 00:22:03.799 really potent atmospe fear. You get tools at such good 462 00:22:03.839 --> 00:22:06.240 intervals when you just you think you've mastered a few 463 00:22:06.240 --> 00:22:07.400 of these areas, and all of a sudden, you get 464 00:22:07.400 --> 00:22:09.160 the grappling hook, you get the the morphball, all of 465 00:22:09.160 --> 00:22:11.440 a sudden, You're like, holy shit, this just opened up 466 00:22:11.480 --> 00:22:14.279 a lot. That game's world design is great. There are 467 00:22:14.279 --> 00:22:17.160 parts where it's annoying. I still don't love the underwater 468 00:22:17.200 --> 00:22:18.920 stuff in that game, but like they still did it 469 00:22:19.039 --> 00:22:19.920 fairly well. 470 00:22:19.759 --> 00:22:21.200 Compared to a lot of others for the time. 471 00:22:22.039 --> 00:22:25.640 Yeah, I think Metroid Prime, just like I I consistently 472 00:22:25.720 --> 00:22:27.920 point to that as maybe one of the most like 473 00:22:29.039 --> 00:22:32.039 effective atmospheres in any game ever. 474 00:22:32.359 --> 00:22:37.160 Music lighting slowly, Yeah, it's fus Yeah. 475 00:22:37.279 --> 00:22:40.079 And here's the thing, even if it was just my list, 476 00:22:40.559 --> 00:22:42.200 I'm pretty sure when I've done these in the past, 477 00:22:42.279 --> 00:22:44.720 Metroid Prime has probably been above Warrior. 478 00:22:44.480 --> 00:22:45.400 Ware, or at least close. 479 00:22:45.519 --> 00:22:48.440 So like, it's hard for me to even say that 480 00:22:48.519 --> 00:22:51.039 Warrior Ware is better than Metroid Prime, so like my 481 00:22:51.160 --> 00:22:52.559 vote might even go to Metroid Prime. 482 00:22:52.680 --> 00:22:53.880 I think I'm just pissed. 483 00:22:53.599 --> 00:22:56.039 At Warriors, Like all my SIT's getting put up against 484 00:22:56.079 --> 00:22:59.000 the toughest shit. But yeah, I mean, fuck it here, 485 00:22:59.160 --> 00:23:00.759 I'll say Warrior or just so I. 486 00:23:00.680 --> 00:23:03.400 Can it can have a representative here, but have at it. 487 00:23:03.440 --> 00:23:09.079 You two go Metric Prime for sure Prime. Okay, democracy 488 00:23:09.359 --> 00:23:10.359 literally just considered. 489 00:23:10.480 --> 00:23:10.599 Uh. 490 00:23:10.720 --> 00:23:13.279 I never finished the switch remaster I got. I want 491 00:23:13.279 --> 00:23:14.400 to go back and just restart it. 492 00:23:14.680 --> 00:23:15.599 I've been thinking about that for what. 493 00:23:15.680 --> 00:23:18.960 Metro Prime trilogy is my every single year Christmas break 494 00:23:20.200 --> 00:23:23.279 except for last year. I go back to, uh, one 495 00:23:23.279 --> 00:23:26.240 and three are my favorites. Invite I haven't gone back 496 00:23:26.240 --> 00:23:31.759 to yeh, all right, what's what's the next one? They're 497 00:23:31.839 --> 00:23:32.839 not tested yet. 498 00:23:32.880 --> 00:23:34.599 I feel like it's coming. 499 00:23:37.160 --> 00:23:37.440 Again. 500 00:23:37.480 --> 00:23:39.240 It's random, so I wasn't able to start with my 501 00:23:39.319 --> 00:23:45.039 heart breaks. Our next matchup is tomb Raider two versus 502 00:23:45.319 --> 00:23:46.880 Command and conquer Red Alert. 503 00:23:50.079 --> 00:23:58.880 I'm sorry about you jump from one letch to another. 504 00:23:59.240 --> 00:24:02.400 Oh he's not when a fucking Russian blimps dropping bombs 505 00:24:02.440 --> 00:24:02.680 on you. 506 00:24:02.839 --> 00:24:04.880 She's about to jump into a Tesla coil. 507 00:24:06.079 --> 00:24:07.039 Clips out of it. 508 00:24:07.200 --> 00:24:09.160 Oh is that a tree. Nope, it's a tank. You're 509 00:24:09.160 --> 00:24:12.920 on fire time travel to kill Hitler. 510 00:24:13.000 --> 00:24:16.839 Fucking fucking Lara Croft just goes up against one Tanya. 511 00:24:16.680 --> 00:24:19.400 That was there's a hundred smoker. She just puts tn 512 00:24:19.440 --> 00:24:21.920 T on Laura's boobs and then dead, laugh about it, 513 00:24:22.240 --> 00:24:23.440 laugh about it, and swim away. 514 00:24:23.440 --> 00:24:24.920 But anyway, what's good about Tom Rader two? 515 00:24:24.920 --> 00:24:26.359 Because I haven't played that game in a while. 516 00:24:26.720 --> 00:24:30.519 So much Laura in it. She goes to Italy, fun. 517 00:24:30.240 --> 00:24:35.160 Out there, to the past, to killing Hitler. 518 00:24:38.039 --> 00:24:41.000 Hitler can't be the reason games win or not win. 519 00:24:41.400 --> 00:24:44.680 We have to have more reasoning whether or not you 520 00:24:44.839 --> 00:24:45.599 kill Hitler. 521 00:24:46.279 --> 00:24:49.440 Okay, fair enough, we had other things we were saying. No, 522 00:24:49.519 --> 00:24:49.880 that's all. 523 00:24:50.319 --> 00:24:53.000 Did I mention that there's a woman who looks kind 524 00:24:53.000 --> 00:24:55.039 of like Laura Croft who runs around and puts C 525 00:24:55.240 --> 00:24:56.720 four on buildings and blows him. 526 00:24:56.680 --> 00:24:59.200 Up And she's the coolest unit in the game. 527 00:24:59.359 --> 00:25:01.519 Yeah, And you can have like as many of them 528 00:25:01.559 --> 00:25:02.960 as you want if you have the resources. 529 00:25:03.000 --> 00:25:04.400 You can take out a whole enemy base if you 530 00:25:04.440 --> 00:25:06.599 just swim up behind it and just set bombs on everything. 531 00:25:06.680 --> 00:25:10.680 Yeah. Cool, there's a. 532 00:25:10.640 --> 00:25:16.000 Really good platform. Stupid, this is. 533 00:25:18.359 --> 00:25:21.119 Two from the nineties, right, not Rise of the tomb Raider. 534 00:25:21.519 --> 00:25:22.319 No, it is not Rise. 535 00:25:22.359 --> 00:25:24.400 These are the ones. 536 00:25:28.160 --> 00:25:31.359 I found that the original ones, even though they had 537 00:25:31.480 --> 00:25:36.440 some errors, were really motivating, especially for like female protagonists 538 00:25:36.480 --> 00:25:38.359 in games. I know Metroid Prime was just on here, 539 00:25:38.440 --> 00:25:41.240 but if that wasn't just before, this would have been 540 00:25:41.279 --> 00:25:44.640 a really good argument for tomb Raider too, which is 541 00:25:44.799 --> 00:25:48.440 unfortunate for my timing, But I think it's a really 542 00:25:48.519 --> 00:25:51.119 good story arc as well. She goes through a lot 543 00:25:51.200 --> 00:25:55.039 of ship the Again, it's just more of like the 544 00:25:55.119 --> 00:25:57.680 platforming puzzles of its time were like really iconic, and 545 00:25:58.119 --> 00:26:00.519 I don't know, I just think she deserved to be 546 00:26:00.599 --> 00:26:00.920 on here. 547 00:26:01.000 --> 00:26:03.160 I'm in trouble, Aren't no doubt she's a cool character 548 00:26:03.640 --> 00:26:04.720 at all. She's awesome. 549 00:26:05.480 --> 00:26:08.000 And I came around very hard on Rader. 550 00:26:07.839 --> 00:26:12.240 With the Jolis character in Command and Conquered Alert. 551 00:26:12.480 --> 00:26:15.720 Yeah, Tanya, there's also a dude who just commands an 552 00:26:15.839 --> 00:26:19.160 entire like mind control army who can take everybody else's units. 553 00:26:19.279 --> 00:26:19.440 Yeah. 554 00:26:19.559 --> 00:26:23.480 Uri the expansion, Uh, there's is there anybody on the 555 00:26:23.559 --> 00:26:24.640 Russian side that's like, is. 556 00:26:24.759 --> 00:26:31.720 James Earl Jones on the on the American side, He's 557 00:26:31.759 --> 00:26:35.519 in the he's in uh Red Alert one. 558 00:26:35.599 --> 00:26:38.839 I thought, okay, well either, I mean, it's not it's 559 00:26:38.839 --> 00:26:41.759 definitely not the story A series of conquer big stars 560 00:26:42.200 --> 00:26:44.480 is what we said. But but the thing that I think, Mike, 561 00:26:44.680 --> 00:26:46.400 that we love about it is the commanding and the 562 00:26:46.480 --> 00:26:49.640 conquering more so than the characters and the story. Although 563 00:26:49.680 --> 00:26:53.039 it's a fun rapping for a great RTS, but I 564 00:26:53.079 --> 00:26:54.720 think we'll have more of a chance to talk about 565 00:26:54.759 --> 00:26:56.160 its strengths in the next round. 566 00:26:56.240 --> 00:27:01.359 Right, I'm not gonna push this one, so I'm gonna 567 00:27:01.680 --> 00:27:04.920 agree that the answer and the winner here is Command 568 00:27:05.000 --> 00:27:08.799 and Conquer Red Alert to. I do have like strong arguments, 569 00:27:08.960 --> 00:27:12.240 probably for later, but I don't think this one is winnable. 570 00:27:12.599 --> 00:27:15.440 And I also think it's not. And I also think like, 571 00:27:15.640 --> 00:27:19.039 there ain't no way she's going to take on these 572 00:27:19.079 --> 00:27:20.240 other games that are winners. 573 00:27:20.400 --> 00:27:22.079 Right wait wait, wait, is it gonna be Reddular two 574 00:27:22.160 --> 00:27:23.000 versus Metroid Prime? 575 00:27:23.079 --> 00:27:27.200 Now, I'm hold on, we'll get there, we'll get there. 576 00:27:27.359 --> 00:27:28.880 But yeah, we're brutal. 577 00:27:29.160 --> 00:27:31.240 Yeah, this is what a bracket is. 578 00:27:31.599 --> 00:27:35.319 I dan, if you like brutal, let's get to our 579 00:27:35.400 --> 00:27:39.880 next match. Oh god, our next game matchup totally random 580 00:27:41.200 --> 00:27:46.720 Metal Gear Solid three Snake Eater versus Minecraft. 581 00:27:50.440 --> 00:27:52.000 I thought you say your Solid two. 582 00:27:52.920 --> 00:27:55.839 I mean, it could happen. Are we really not even 583 00:27:55.880 --> 00:27:58.240 gonna have this discussion? Minecraft like one of the most 584 00:27:58.440 --> 00:28:01.920 iconic games of modern generation. It's the number one game. 585 00:28:02.279 --> 00:28:03.640 It's good, It's the number one. 586 00:28:04.680 --> 00:28:09.279 Okay, I started, I'm technically just to show my hand, 587 00:28:09.440 --> 00:28:11.680 I'm for snake Eater. 588 00:28:12.160 --> 00:28:15.480 However, Dan Dan just saying. 589 00:28:15.279 --> 00:28:18.720 Minecraft It's good is the funniest tape of Minecraft I've 590 00:28:18.759 --> 00:28:19.680 ever heard in my life. 591 00:28:19.880 --> 00:28:22.440 To be fair, this is our list. I know it's 592 00:28:24.200 --> 00:28:25.559 Minecraft head, it's Mary. 593 00:28:26.880 --> 00:28:30.680 But outside of that, yeah, she she really does never 594 00:28:30.720 --> 00:28:32.079 shut up, shuts up about him. 595 00:28:33.079 --> 00:28:34.200 She said the parties are great. 596 00:28:34.519 --> 00:28:39.279 Yeah, she was like, she's like best parties number one, 597 00:28:39.359 --> 00:28:41.279 notch number two, deady number three. 598 00:28:42.599 --> 00:28:47.119 No cut that, cut that, Jake, Jake, cut that. These things. 599 00:28:47.759 --> 00:28:49.759 I think that we have to talk a little bit about, like, 600 00:28:50.680 --> 00:28:53.960 you know, just the global impact that the game has, 601 00:28:54.640 --> 00:28:58.359 the influence of it all. I think Minecraft has made 602 00:28:58.359 --> 00:29:01.279 a lot of movement in the game in space. It's 603 00:29:01.359 --> 00:29:05.160 turned the next generation of kids into gamers. It's it's 604 00:29:06.039 --> 00:29:06.640 about these kids. 605 00:29:07.519 --> 00:29:09.839 Do you like remember what are your thoughts on Minecraft? 606 00:29:10.559 --> 00:29:14.160 No it's best game, not favorite. You you called me 607 00:29:14.200 --> 00:29:14.720 out on that at the. 608 00:29:14.680 --> 00:29:17.440 Beginnings our list, Well, I was being sarcastic. It's our list. 609 00:29:17.680 --> 00:29:23.119 Oh I think Minecraft's more important than Snakey. 610 00:29:23.079 --> 00:29:24.680 That's what the thing is. And I know it can 611 00:29:24.759 --> 00:29:27.079 be best game of all time. 612 00:29:27.039 --> 00:29:29.160 But it can come up because I don't think that 613 00:29:29.880 --> 00:29:31.319 snake Eater is important. 614 00:29:34.160 --> 00:29:37.440 Oh my god, we are really fucking firing off already. 615 00:29:38.200 --> 00:29:40.119 Very I don't support what you just said. 616 00:29:40.799 --> 00:29:45.839 Well, I mean, I just think comparatively Minecraft, Like, what 617 00:29:45.880 --> 00:29:47.440 would the world be without Minecraft. 618 00:29:47.920 --> 00:29:58.160 I don't give a ship. What the fuck. I'm not 619 00:29:58.279 --> 00:30:00.599 waiting to hear anyone here be like, here's why I 620 00:30:00.759 --> 00:30:01.519 love Minecraft. 621 00:30:01.720 --> 00:30:03.880 I'm not going to it was Mary's nomination. I think 622 00:30:03.920 --> 00:30:05.240 Minecraft's extremely important. 623 00:30:05.359 --> 00:30:08.279 Let me finish. I'm not saying that's the criteria. But 624 00:30:09.920 --> 00:30:11.160 and I think Minecraft is. 625 00:30:11.240 --> 00:30:15.000 This like massive, Like I don't all these people who 626 00:30:15.039 --> 00:30:17.440 are obsessed with making this like fucking metaverse, Like you 627 00:30:17.480 --> 00:30:20.480 already have one of the coolest little digital uh like 628 00:30:20.759 --> 00:30:23.880 creation hubs where people can go and just create whatever 629 00:30:23.920 --> 00:30:26.559 they want. It's called Minecraft. So stop like fucking trying 630 00:30:26.559 --> 00:30:29.160 to make this dumb metaverse shit a reality. When we 631 00:30:29.240 --> 00:30:32.720 already have something that's infinitely cooler, especially like doing all 632 00:30:32.799 --> 00:30:36.759 those game Spot Half Life charity streams when you would 633 00:30:36.799 --> 00:30:38.720 make the room and people would come make like crazy 634 00:30:39.319 --> 00:30:42.000 art and like little mini game levels while we were 635 00:30:42.119 --> 00:30:47.319 doing those live streams. Minecraft is like this massive canvas 636 00:30:47.400 --> 00:30:49.559 for cool shit and people have done amazing stuff with it. 637 00:30:50.000 --> 00:30:52.519 I've only ever played it for like thirty hours of 638 00:30:52.559 --> 00:30:54.799 my life total, I think throughout its lifespan. 639 00:30:55.920 --> 00:31:01.000 Yeah, but yeah, Snake Eater is just this like operatic 640 00:31:02.160 --> 00:31:06.839 cold war fucking soap opera with the coolest characters ever 641 00:31:07.000 --> 00:31:10.359 and one of the maybe the best boss fight in 642 00:31:10.440 --> 00:31:15.480 all of video games. Go ahead, sorry, and yeah it's 643 00:31:15.759 --> 00:31:18.680 for also at the time for the series, all of 644 00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:20.920 a sudden to go from these tight corridors and interior 645 00:31:21.039 --> 00:31:23.839 close quarters combat where it's like, oh, infiltrate this structure 646 00:31:23.880 --> 00:31:25.920 and go do the shit. Oh now you're just dropped 647 00:31:25.960 --> 00:31:32.720 into the wilderness during during this again like this huge 648 00:31:33.079 --> 00:31:36.799 like stakes the world could end mission against all these 649 00:31:36.960 --> 00:31:42.279 like rogues, gallery of incredible character design, and you have 650 00:31:42.400 --> 00:31:45.079 to also like adapt to being outside and using camouflage 651 00:31:45.119 --> 00:31:47.599 and like survival light elements. That was the first time 652 00:31:47.599 --> 00:31:50.440 I truly felt like I was in an open world, 653 00:31:50.599 --> 00:31:52.839 even though it's not really open world. That is the 654 00:31:52.880 --> 00:31:54.839 first time I was like, oh shit, I can see 655 00:31:54.920 --> 00:31:57.000 like video games in ten years from now doing some 656 00:31:57.119 --> 00:31:57.799 cool stuff with this. 657 00:31:58.759 --> 00:32:00.759 And they did. It was called mind craft because it 658 00:32:00.880 --> 00:32:03.119 was the ultimate place that you could actually have an 659 00:32:03.160 --> 00:32:03.680 open world. 660 00:32:04.400 --> 00:32:06.200 Shit walked into that one. 661 00:32:06.799 --> 00:32:09.759 It's the perfect form of metal gear solid because it 662 00:32:09.880 --> 00:32:12.119 blew everyone away in ninety eight when it was like, 663 00:32:12.160 --> 00:32:13.559 oh my god, it's like a movie. It's like I'm 664 00:32:13.559 --> 00:32:16.039 playing a movie, but you play it now, it doesn't 665 00:32:16.480 --> 00:32:17.599 you know, the controls of stuff. 666 00:32:17.640 --> 00:32:20.319 People struggle with it. Obviously, the visuals have an age 667 00:32:20.359 --> 00:32:22.839 super well. I think it looks cool, but obviously it looks. 668 00:32:22.680 --> 00:32:26.200 Old snake Eater and the two was way too complex 669 00:32:26.240 --> 00:32:28.599 for a lot of people. Again, I love it, but 670 00:32:29.079 --> 00:32:32.759 three was like telling this incredibly dramatic, awesome story. It 671 00:32:32.880 --> 00:32:35.200 was one that didn't require a bunch of very specific 672 00:32:35.279 --> 00:32:38.440 knowledge from old MSX games and you know, weird meme 673 00:32:38.559 --> 00:32:40.240 theory stuff from the end of two and all that shit. 674 00:32:40.319 --> 00:32:43.839 It's just a great fucking Cold war espionage story. Like 675 00:32:43.960 --> 00:32:46.200 Mike said, one of the best boss fights of all time. 676 00:32:46.240 --> 00:32:48.559 I also think it has the best ending I've ever 677 00:32:48.599 --> 00:32:49.519 seen in a video game. 678 00:32:50.880 --> 00:32:53.759 Oh yeah, you fucking fight your How would you even 679 00:32:53.799 --> 00:32:57.799 describe it? You fight your in a field of spoilers 680 00:32:57.880 --> 00:32:59.359 for because it is about to get a remake, but. 681 00:33:00.000 --> 00:33:02.440 It Yeah, that's a good point. Yeah, it's got a 682 00:33:02.480 --> 00:33:02.839 good ending. 683 00:33:02.960 --> 00:33:06.359 And her character is one of the one of the 684 00:33:06.400 --> 00:33:08.039 best characters I've ever seen in a game in a 685 00:33:08.119 --> 00:33:10.880 movie like and the end how that all wraps up 686 00:33:10.960 --> 00:33:12.000 is just fucking incredible. 687 00:33:13.240 --> 00:33:13.440 Look. 688 00:33:14.200 --> 00:33:17.240 Minecraft, obviously, if this was the most important to the 689 00:33:17.680 --> 00:33:23.200 global Gaming Ecosystem bracket, it's Minecraft. But I think if 690 00:33:23.200 --> 00:33:26.400 it's us three determining ours like I mean, without a doubt, 691 00:33:26.960 --> 00:33:27.720 snake eater for me. 692 00:33:28.160 --> 00:33:29.440 Yeah, I'll go snake here as well. 693 00:33:30.880 --> 00:33:35.200 What's your top uh metal gear of all time? 694 00:33:36.279 --> 00:33:37.799 It changes every time it gets asked. 695 00:33:37.839 --> 00:33:40.279 But yeah, don't answer that. She's setting you up for 696 00:33:40.319 --> 00:33:41.519 failure later in the tournament. 697 00:33:43.160 --> 00:33:43.759 Minecraft. 698 00:33:45.119 --> 00:33:46.640 Oh so you are for Minecraft. 699 00:33:46.920 --> 00:33:50.160 My vote is for don't let her twist you. I'm 700 00:33:50.200 --> 00:33:52.440 not doing this. I put my vote in. It's locked in. 701 00:33:53.039 --> 00:33:54.920 They're not all going to get through, Dan. 702 00:33:55.079 --> 00:33:59.839 I don't have to keep talking it already. You all 703 00:34:00.079 --> 00:34:01.680 answered straight up too. 704 00:34:02.039 --> 00:34:04.839 For the record, Mary, because I don't think I actually 705 00:34:04.920 --> 00:34:07.920 did not nominate him if Okay, I want to clarify. 706 00:34:07.960 --> 00:34:09.840 I'd seen Dan's list and I was like, there's no 707 00:34:09.920 --> 00:34:11.519 point in me adding more metal gear solids. If I 708 00:34:11.599 --> 00:34:12.920 was going to add a metal gerselage in my top 709 00:34:12.960 --> 00:34:15.199 twenty five, it would have been Snake Eater. Snake Eear is, 710 00:34:15.400 --> 00:34:17.159 without a doubt, my favorite metal gear. I can say 711 00:34:17.159 --> 00:34:18.920 that because I don't have any other horses in that race. 712 00:34:20.280 --> 00:34:23.360 Well, I'm gonna hold you to that, and I'll say, 713 00:34:23.400 --> 00:34:27.599 then that makes sense democratically for it to win over Minecraft, 714 00:34:27.639 --> 00:34:30.920 which is insane. So I'll that is the winner and 715 00:34:31.079 --> 00:34:31.519 submit it. 716 00:34:31.679 --> 00:34:33.960 That makes sense in fire Escape logic, but I'm gonna 717 00:34:34.000 --> 00:34:34.800 do it begrudgingly. 718 00:34:35.400 --> 00:34:40.199 Yeah, Metal Gears, Solid three, Snake Eater versus Minecraft, Metal Gears, Tullow. 719 00:34:40.079 --> 00:34:40.960 You got us the winner. 720 00:34:41.119 --> 00:34:44.119 You gotta realize, though, you absolutely know that no fire 721 00:34:44.199 --> 00:34:46.159 Escape listener got that wrong on their bracket. 722 00:34:46.280 --> 00:34:50.159 I think they all probably guess snakes correctly. Yeah, maybe not. 723 00:34:50.320 --> 00:34:51.760 They know the sanity of this. 724 00:34:51.840 --> 00:34:53.280 I'd like to get a bulligan here because I just 725 00:34:53.320 --> 00:34:54.880 looked at my top one hundred list and I've got 726 00:34:54.960 --> 00:34:57.199 met for a prime A forty eight and Warrior were 727 00:34:57.280 --> 00:34:58.000 at twenty six. 728 00:34:58.199 --> 00:35:01.159 So I've made a grave error, that's Dan. 729 00:35:01.360 --> 00:35:03.880 Oh wait, Mary, me and you had a little converse. 730 00:35:03.960 --> 00:35:05.000 Is this when we bring it up? Or do we 731 00:35:05.000 --> 00:35:05.880 wait till next episode? 732 00:35:05.920 --> 00:35:07.519 What are you doing now? You have to bring it up? 733 00:35:07.960 --> 00:35:09.000 There's that for next episode. 734 00:35:09.119 --> 00:35:10.800 No, it's like a good time. 735 00:35:11.079 --> 00:35:11.119 No. 736 00:35:11.280 --> 00:35:13.760 Dan's talking about how his opinions change over time. 737 00:35:14.800 --> 00:35:16.880 They do tend to change over time. 738 00:35:17.079 --> 00:35:18.519 That's a natural part of humanity. 739 00:35:18.599 --> 00:35:20.440 Yeah, of course, But like then the time span that 740 00:35:20.519 --> 00:35:23.840 I'm talking about, it's pretty funny how drastically it changed. 741 00:35:25.079 --> 00:35:27.519 Like in general, what we're saying is is that when 742 00:35:27.559 --> 00:35:30.400 you fight really hard for a game like Snake Eater 743 00:35:30.440 --> 00:35:32.599 and you're like, this is like my most number one 744 00:35:32.639 --> 00:35:35.920 game of all time. Will also remind everybody that in 745 00:35:35.960 --> 00:35:41.599 twenty nineteen, Dan had Links Awakening at number six of 746 00:35:41.760 --> 00:35:45.480 his Game of the Year list and said, and I quote, yeah, 747 00:35:45.639 --> 00:35:49.159 one of the best top down Zelda games. End quote. 748 00:35:50.039 --> 00:35:52.239 Yeah, talk about the remake. The remake is fine. I 749 00:35:52.320 --> 00:35:53.199 don't hate the remake. 750 00:35:53.440 --> 00:35:54.320 Fucking piece of shit. 751 00:35:54.440 --> 00:35:55.639 No no, no, no, no, no no no no no 752 00:35:55.719 --> 00:35:55.960 no no no. 753 00:35:56.760 --> 00:35:58.599 Mary, read the whole quote. Read the whole quote. 754 00:36:01.639 --> 00:36:03.400 One of the best games ever made. 755 00:36:03.679 --> 00:36:06.320 Oh, which read when you said it's one of the 756 00:36:06.360 --> 00:36:08.119 best top down zelding, I don't have the copy. 757 00:36:08.159 --> 00:36:09.719 That's the quote you sent it to me. 758 00:36:10.440 --> 00:36:15.519 Oh, it's on It's Giant Bombs twenty nineteen Dan's list. 759 00:36:15.840 --> 00:36:18.199 You said, blah blah blah. 760 00:36:18.280 --> 00:36:21.960 The Switchek remake fixed any problems I previously had with this, 761 00:36:22.079 --> 00:36:24.119 and now I can properly enjoy one of the best 762 00:36:24.159 --> 00:36:25.239 top down Zelda games. 763 00:36:26.079 --> 00:36:27.920 Yeah. Oh, I think that's fair, Like I think the 764 00:36:28.000 --> 00:36:30.039 remake it did fix a lot of my problems with it. Okay, 765 00:36:30.079 --> 00:36:33.920 that's the one I played. That's what it's still like. 766 00:36:34.039 --> 00:36:36.480 Not one of the best, not what I would have recommended, 767 00:36:36.559 --> 00:36:37.639 but it is the better. 768 00:36:37.559 --> 00:36:41.199 Version, one of the best zeld Yeah, the copies that 769 00:36:41.360 --> 00:36:42.599 you called it one of the one of the best 770 00:36:42.719 --> 00:36:44.239 Selda games top down. 771 00:36:45.320 --> 00:36:47.760 That's fine, that's not a creezy. 772 00:36:48.239 --> 00:36:50.480 Well we'll say that later. We'll take into this at 773 00:36:50.559 --> 00:36:51.519 a later point in time. 774 00:36:53.000 --> 00:36:54.480 Inconsistent at best. 775 00:36:55.639 --> 00:36:58.360 I'm just a man. Who of all, I'm just a man. 776 00:36:59.639 --> 00:37:04.920 No youd evolved because you have the rhyme opinion and 777 00:37:04.960 --> 00:37:06.360 then changed it to be worse. 778 00:37:06.880 --> 00:37:10.440 Okay, So, uh so Minecraft is. 779 00:37:12.000 --> 00:37:13.360 Lost to fucking snake Eater. 780 00:37:13.639 --> 00:37:15.039 Next it got eaten. 781 00:37:16.320 --> 00:37:20.559 Stardoo Valley. Oh God versus x Calm two. 782 00:37:22.880 --> 00:37:27.800 We're gonna hurt Mike with this one. Me. God damn it. 783 00:37:27.880 --> 00:37:29.559 That's one of my top five games of all time. 784 00:37:29.960 --> 00:37:35.760 This feels good, all right. Let me just fucking eulogize 785 00:37:35.800 --> 00:37:42.960 this thing. Mary. We don't have to say ship, you 786 00:37:43.119 --> 00:37:43.840 get a horse. 787 00:37:44.320 --> 00:37:45.400 It's so much fun. 788 00:37:45.599 --> 00:37:47.079 Let's just watch a man die for a little bit 789 00:37:47.119 --> 00:37:47.280 of here. 790 00:37:49.039 --> 00:37:52.039 You can actually pinpoint. The second is Heartbreaks in half. 791 00:37:53.079 --> 00:37:54.119 And I love Starduo Valley. 792 00:37:54.159 --> 00:37:57.000 So I'm not gonna like be too upset, but I 793 00:37:57.079 --> 00:37:58.960 am one of my top five games of all time. 794 00:37:59.039 --> 00:38:01.880 That doesn't really matter. What I will say is I 795 00:38:02.360 --> 00:38:05.119 just played, and I'm toward the end of a long 796 00:38:05.239 --> 00:38:08.719 War of the Chosen campaign. As of recently, game is 797 00:38:08.760 --> 00:38:12.679 still absolutely incredible. I've been attached to characters in that game, which, 798 00:38:12.800 --> 00:38:15.599 for those who may not know, they're all procedurally generated. 799 00:38:16.480 --> 00:38:19.480 You just form bonds with them through the gameplay, what 800 00:38:19.679 --> 00:38:22.760 they do with their what you choose to do with 801 00:38:22.840 --> 00:38:24.880 them with their skills. They have all this Snipers is 802 00:38:25.320 --> 00:38:31.519 assault Specialists. The mission designs incredible war that Chosen is, 803 00:38:31.840 --> 00:38:35.679 in my opinion, the best expansion in any genre ever. 804 00:38:36.280 --> 00:38:37.559 Xcom two, I think was phenomenal. 805 00:38:37.559 --> 00:38:39.320 I think War of a Chosen came along and just 806 00:38:39.840 --> 00:38:42.280 blew me away with how they messed with the xcomp 807 00:38:42.360 --> 00:38:46.119 formula of building out the squad of procedurally generated characters 808 00:38:46.840 --> 00:38:49.920 hunting these different bosses throughout incredible missions. They added the 809 00:38:50.760 --> 00:38:52.599 loss of these zombies that you were fighting, so there's 810 00:38:52.639 --> 00:38:56.480 like three warring factions basically outfitting these soldiers, getting attached 811 00:38:56.480 --> 00:38:59.800 to them, sending them on missions, dreading sending your best 812 00:39:00.039 --> 00:39:05.159 ones on like mission impossible type scenarios. Either they die 813 00:39:05.400 --> 00:39:07.800 and you remember it for a week and it hurts, 814 00:39:08.079 --> 00:39:11.880 Like genuinely, I don't give a shit when fucking Sepharroth 815 00:39:12.400 --> 00:39:15.920 kills Erith or whatever the fuck, but I genuinely care when, 816 00:39:16.039 --> 00:39:19.840 like my Brazilian sniper who I named Gie Santo's after 817 00:39:20.440 --> 00:39:23.639 a basketball I like dies, it hurts and. 818 00:39:24.039 --> 00:39:25.559 Or they pull or they come out of it and 819 00:39:25.639 --> 00:39:28.880 then yeah, or you come out. They come out of 820 00:39:28.920 --> 00:39:31.679 it and they're just it's the most badass heroic shit 821 00:39:31.719 --> 00:39:34.360 ever because they you kept them behind on the map 822 00:39:34.480 --> 00:39:37.079 and to let every save everybody else and they escape 823 00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:41.719 it's just like in terms of being this emergent story machine, 824 00:39:42.360 --> 00:39:45.840 this like empathy for these characters engine It's incredible and 825 00:39:46.119 --> 00:39:47.760 I haven't even I'm not even gonna like dig into 826 00:39:47.840 --> 00:39:50.480 like how good the turn based systems are designed, and 827 00:39:50.519 --> 00:39:54.519 the enemy variety and all the different risk reward scenarios 828 00:39:54.559 --> 00:39:56.239 you have to consider throughout any given mission and any 829 00:39:56.239 --> 00:39:59.800 given campaign strategy layer, and in the turn based battles 830 00:39:59.800 --> 00:40:03.519 of life, it's uh, it's I think my favorite strategy 831 00:40:03.559 --> 00:40:05.480 game of all time and I still play it to 832 00:40:05.519 --> 00:40:07.079 this day and it gives me joy even if it's 833 00:40:07.079 --> 00:40:08.400 not going to move forward in the tournament. 834 00:40:09.559 --> 00:40:13.400 I vote for Start Valley. Yeah, that's fine, Mary, I'm 835 00:40:13.480 --> 00:40:13.760 up for that. 836 00:40:14.440 --> 00:40:24.000 I vote for Stardoo Valley. It had to happen, yea, Chris, Okay, 837 00:40:25.599 --> 00:40:28.159 everybody's gonna eat it on the nobody. 838 00:40:29.800 --> 00:40:35.079 Hear that. Yeah, goddamn it. 839 00:40:35.920 --> 00:40:36.480 It's a good one. 840 00:40:36.880 --> 00:40:43.079 A couple of versus Stone Cold? What what's the next round? 841 00:40:45.360 --> 00:40:47.039 I vote for Stone Which one. 842 00:40:46.960 --> 00:40:49.920 Is starting with this starting? 843 00:40:51.920 --> 00:40:57.920 The next game in the bracket is Halo Combat Evolved 844 00:40:59.159 --> 00:41:00.800 versus Gears of War? 845 00:41:01.199 --> 00:41:04.719 Oh oh oh, the old thoughts is actually a really 846 00:41:04.800 --> 00:41:05.360 interesting one. 847 00:41:05.519 --> 00:41:09.000 The Xbox matchup. My nomination was Halo. For the record, 848 00:41:09.239 --> 00:41:10.480 I also really like Gears of. 849 00:41:10.480 --> 00:41:16.159 War obviously excellent and revolutionary and so important for the 850 00:41:16.559 --> 00:41:21.199 Xbox's history. I just think only one of them has 851 00:41:21.239 --> 00:41:23.599 like a sick chainsaw gun, you know what I mean. 852 00:41:25.679 --> 00:41:31.639 Laser Actually, yeah, if we're talking, if we're talking, if 853 00:41:31.639 --> 00:41:36.199 we're talking importance to Xbox's history, Halo is way more important. 854 00:41:36.280 --> 00:41:36.440 Well. 855 00:41:36.719 --> 00:41:38.360 It's tough though, because like that, I was kind of 856 00:41:38.360 --> 00:41:40.000 prepping my argument in my head here, and I was 857 00:41:40.039 --> 00:41:41.559 trying to think of, like, oh, well, Gears has been 858 00:41:41.599 --> 00:41:45.199 the more consistent series throughout, where's Halo had more down 859 00:41:45.280 --> 00:41:48.880 swings and stuff. But we are to be clear, this 860 00:41:49.079 --> 00:41:52.199 is about Halo one versus Gears of War one. Yes, right, yes, 861 00:41:53.719 --> 00:41:59.199 with that uh man, that co op you know, we 862 00:41:59.320 --> 00:42:02.400 take it for granted now co op campaigns, and obviously 863 00:42:02.480 --> 00:42:06.000 there's co op games on you know nes, but on 864 00:42:06.119 --> 00:42:09.199 the level of this huge shooter campaign, this big budget 865 00:42:09.480 --> 00:42:11.559 cool thing that was like built for co op where 866 00:42:11.559 --> 00:42:14.239 it's party obviously like Dom go this way, Mark. 867 00:42:14.119 --> 00:42:15.719 Oh, I thought you could just as easily have been 868 00:42:15.760 --> 00:42:17.400 talking about Combed Evolved up to that point. 869 00:42:17.440 --> 00:42:19.760 For the record, sure, yeah, I mean out of all 870 00:42:19.880 --> 00:42:22.360 this fucking awesome co op too, like the whole Halo series, 871 00:42:22.400 --> 00:42:22.559 but it. 872 00:42:22.559 --> 00:42:23.559 Doesn't have the branching paths. 873 00:42:23.960 --> 00:42:25.159 It doesn't have the branching paths. 874 00:42:25.159 --> 00:42:27.679 It was built for it in a way that like Halos, 875 00:42:27.719 --> 00:42:29.960 it's not like it was an afterthought. Like obviously it 876 00:42:30.039 --> 00:42:31.639 doesn't by accident be a great game. 877 00:42:31.639 --> 00:42:33.559 You don't have to, but it is. It is like 878 00:42:34.000 --> 00:42:37.280 beneficial to play with an additional player when you play Gears, 879 00:42:37.480 --> 00:42:40.679 because you can like you can snipe while the other 880 00:42:40.760 --> 00:42:43.000 person is like down on the ground. It's really sick 881 00:42:43.039 --> 00:42:44.079 to save your buddy like that. 882 00:42:44.679 --> 00:42:46.920 Yeah, And I feel like I could see myself playing 883 00:42:47.239 --> 00:42:49.800 Halo campaigns and I think I have playing them solo. 884 00:42:49.960 --> 00:42:52.599 But for me Gears, I think every single one of 885 00:42:52.639 --> 00:42:54.559 those games. The first time I went through all those campaigns, 886 00:42:54.840 --> 00:42:56.760 I made a point till I remember when three came out, 887 00:42:57.199 --> 00:42:58.599 Me and three friends, we went to the game and 888 00:42:58.639 --> 00:43:01.280 Former office over weekend. We all just like sat in 889 00:43:01.360 --> 00:43:03.480 the same room and played through four player co op 890 00:43:03.559 --> 00:43:06.320 campaign again, that's three one was increased. 891 00:43:06.039 --> 00:43:06.639 That's three two. 892 00:43:07.000 --> 00:43:09.719 But why is the co op inherently in this argument 893 00:43:09.760 --> 00:43:12.199 you're making. It's like you're making co op inherently better 894 00:43:12.280 --> 00:43:12.920 than single player. 895 00:43:12.960 --> 00:43:13.679 Why is that the case? 896 00:43:14.000 --> 00:43:15.480 That's I'm genuinely interested. 897 00:43:15.559 --> 00:43:18.000 I just because in terms of just memories of good 898 00:43:18.079 --> 00:43:20.960 memories of those two games, I remember just a lot 899 00:43:21.079 --> 00:43:24.320 more fun and laughing and kind of team strategy stuff 900 00:43:24.360 --> 00:43:28.079 going on when I was playing Gears one versus I mean, 901 00:43:28.119 --> 00:43:29.960 it's great in Halo one too, because like that Enemy 902 00:43:30.000 --> 00:43:32.119 AI was way ahead of its sign back then. 903 00:43:32.360 --> 00:43:35.480 Yeah, in terms of communal experiences, I would say one 904 00:43:35.559 --> 00:43:37.880 of my favorite memories in any video game is the 905 00:43:38.000 --> 00:43:40.159 land parties that I had with Halo Commet Evolved, which 906 00:43:40.239 --> 00:43:42.039 is not co op, but you were cooperating with the 907 00:43:42.079 --> 00:43:44.039 people on your team to take out other humans on 908 00:43:44.760 --> 00:43:46.679 in four v four matches. 909 00:43:46.760 --> 00:43:48.400 And which is so fucking good that you'd get a 910 00:43:48.440 --> 00:43:50.480 bunch of fore you get sixteen friends in one place, 911 00:43:51.400 --> 00:43:54.599 all looking CRTs around in xboxes because it was that 912 00:43:54.760 --> 00:43:55.559 fucking good And. 913 00:43:55.599 --> 00:43:56.960 There's no no solid factor to that. 914 00:43:57.360 --> 00:44:01.039 But like I still genuine to this day, I don't 915 00:44:01.039 --> 00:44:04.039 know when the last time many people have played Combat Evolved. 916 00:44:04.159 --> 00:44:07.000 Is that game is still my favorite in the whole series. 917 00:44:07.320 --> 00:44:09.079 If we're being my opic, I'm gonna really hone in 918 00:44:09.159 --> 00:44:11.280 on that I think there are really good Halo's. 919 00:44:10.880 --> 00:44:11.360 Outside of that. 920 00:44:11.440 --> 00:44:14.719 I'd say Halo as a whole package reached its peak 921 00:44:14.800 --> 00:44:18.320 with three probably, However, Halo County evolved still to this day, 922 00:44:19.039 --> 00:44:21.280 is one of the best shooter stories told. The way 923 00:44:21.320 --> 00:44:23.039 they build up the mystery and they use these like 924 00:44:23.199 --> 00:44:27.039 themes from Alien, like Ridley Scott's all over Halo one, 925 00:44:27.760 --> 00:44:32.360 aliens from Alien. Really Scott's Alien nineteen eighty nine? Was 926 00:44:32.400 --> 00:44:37.079 it earlier than that seventy nine Alien? Ye seventy I 927 00:44:38.000 --> 00:44:40.360 The way they build up mystery and it's it's it's 928 00:44:40.440 --> 00:44:44.239 in the like counter or half life vein of storytelling 929 00:44:44.280 --> 00:44:46.079 where it's like, okay, maybe there's a quick cutscene, but 930 00:44:46.079 --> 00:44:47.320 all of a sudden, like they're telling a lot of 931 00:44:47.320 --> 00:44:51.239 the story while you're still in the driver's seat. Through 932 00:44:51.320 --> 00:44:53.719 the first like whole half of that game is some 933 00:44:53.760 --> 00:44:56.199 of the best shooter missions in any game. Then you 934 00:44:56.320 --> 00:44:59.320 have the Silent Cartographer is almost like an open world 935 00:44:59.400 --> 00:45:02.320 farcry game. Outside, it's just the variety there up front. 936 00:45:02.840 --> 00:45:06.760 The weapon design, best pistol, best gun in video games, 937 00:45:06.800 --> 00:45:10.920 I'd argue maybe the top three. I I love Gears 938 00:45:10.960 --> 00:45:14.079 of War and what they did with that movement system 939 00:45:14.159 --> 00:45:16.639 and the third person the roadie running and the chainsawing 940 00:45:16.800 --> 00:45:20.519 and the like the crawling. It's impressive Halo to me. 941 00:45:20.760 --> 00:45:23.000 And obviously Halo's controls when it first came out on 942 00:45:23.039 --> 00:45:25.480 the Big Boy Xbox controller where they tweaked, they had 943 00:45:25.519 --> 00:45:31.000 to tweak those, but Halo just proved dual analog shooters 944 00:45:31.119 --> 00:45:33.880 could exist, which was crazy. 945 00:45:35.159 --> 00:45:35.400 Anyone. 946 00:45:36.000 --> 00:45:39.599 It's second nature today now because Halo did so much 947 00:45:39.639 --> 00:45:43.559 of that. But like I also just the multiplayer in 948 00:45:43.599 --> 00:45:47.679 that game is the co op, the single player, the environments, 949 00:45:47.880 --> 00:45:51.199 what cool of cool fucking universe they designed from scratch. 950 00:45:51.800 --> 00:45:54.280 We take it for granted now that the Halo universe 951 00:45:54.360 --> 00:45:56.440 is a thing with a fucking streaming show, But like 952 00:45:57.000 --> 00:46:01.360 that video game was just any form of entertainment that 953 00:46:01.440 --> 00:46:03.679 was a cool world, a cool story. It just happened 954 00:46:03.719 --> 00:46:06.199 to be in a fucking like, really fun, badass video game. 955 00:46:06.239 --> 00:46:09.039 And I don't know I've talked about it enough, but 956 00:46:09.079 --> 00:46:11.239 Halo Commet of All is still one of my favorite 957 00:46:11.239 --> 00:46:12.039 shooters of all time. 958 00:46:12.719 --> 00:46:14.679 Ever, everything you said is correct, and I think this 959 00:46:14.880 --> 00:46:16.880 is the first one on this bracket that I think 960 00:46:17.119 --> 00:46:18.679 it seems like all of us are like, yeah, they're 961 00:46:18.679 --> 00:46:19.320 both looking great. 962 00:46:20.480 --> 00:46:21.480 There's not a clear winner here. 963 00:46:21.599 --> 00:46:23.639 Yeah, and Gear for the also last thing, I'll say 964 00:46:23.679 --> 00:46:26.400 Gears of the Gears of War, I agree, has been 965 00:46:26.480 --> 00:46:31.119 more more consistent as a series. I do not think 966 00:46:31.159 --> 00:46:33.119 one is my favorite game by a long shot in 967 00:46:33.159 --> 00:46:37.119 that series, but but it absolutely brought a huge new 968 00:46:37.239 --> 00:46:41.280 vibe to shooters in video games, and like, at first 969 00:46:41.400 --> 00:46:43.400 the macho stuff annoyed me, but looking back, I was like, no, 970 00:46:43.519 --> 00:46:45.639 that's that's part of like the that's part of it, 971 00:46:45.719 --> 00:46:46.360 that's part of the tone. 972 00:46:46.400 --> 00:46:48.280 They were just it was it. 973 00:46:50.119 --> 00:46:53.360 Yeah, Okay, So anyway, I will just say, because Mary, 974 00:46:53.360 --> 00:46:54.719 I know you've got a lot of thoughts on Gears, 975 00:46:54.760 --> 00:46:57.119 so I'll just say quickly that I think they're both great. 976 00:46:57.559 --> 00:47:00.679 I was annoyed at times from the halo'saign. I feel 977 00:47:00.679 --> 00:47:02.199 like it's a little more prone to just be like, 978 00:47:02.239 --> 00:47:04.000 where are we going now, what's next, like especially like 979 00:47:04.039 --> 00:47:05.559 the library and stuff like that. I think there are 980 00:47:05.599 --> 00:47:09.079 some some dips, like the levels that aren't amazing. But 981 00:47:09.199 --> 00:47:12.199 I played through both them co op. I played through 982 00:47:12.280 --> 00:47:15.639 Halo one with Bonk right before the pandemic, and I 983 00:47:15.719 --> 00:47:18.440 played through Gears one with my sister Kayla. A couple 984 00:47:18.480 --> 00:47:21.199 of years ago, and they're both great still. They're both 985 00:47:21.239 --> 00:47:24.440 incredible co op experiences. But I think I do remember 986 00:47:24.760 --> 00:47:30.360 as a game Gears being I think my vote's going 987 00:47:30.400 --> 00:47:31.960 to go with Gears. I think I like that game more. 988 00:47:33.599 --> 00:47:36.480 I mean, ultimately, like as Dana said a lot, this 989 00:47:36.679 --> 00:47:39.559 is our list, and so it's really like our experiences 990 00:47:39.639 --> 00:47:44.199 that will determine what this is. Gears was extraordinarily influential 991 00:47:44.280 --> 00:47:47.800 to me personally and got me into shooters when I 992 00:47:47.880 --> 00:47:50.440 actually didn't think that that was a genre of game 993 00:47:50.519 --> 00:47:52.639 that I could play, or that I wasn't good enough 994 00:47:52.719 --> 00:47:57.320 to play. There was something about the cover based shooting 995 00:47:57.360 --> 00:47:59.760 where I was like, oh, I can handle this. It 996 00:47:59.800 --> 00:48:03.280 was bit of a blend between shooting and also strategy 997 00:48:04.400 --> 00:48:06.199 that I felt like I could wrap my head around 998 00:48:06.280 --> 00:48:10.039 and UH and get into shooters for the first time. 999 00:48:10.760 --> 00:48:13.760 I also think it did some innovative things with UH 1000 00:48:14.119 --> 00:48:17.960 with combat, like maid tagging. It had some really iconic 1001 00:48:18.239 --> 00:48:26.760 guns torque Bow, which allowed you to explode enemies from back. 1002 00:48:27.039 --> 00:48:33.119 Yeah nice, I know, you just walk up and punch 1003 00:48:33.199 --> 00:48:38.400 them with it too, and then yeah cool like world 1004 00:48:38.440 --> 00:48:39.559 building design thing. 1005 00:48:39.760 --> 00:48:40.199 I agree. 1006 00:48:40.280 --> 00:48:43.320 I mean, I think they're they're both great worlds honestly 1007 00:48:43.559 --> 00:48:48.280 because uh uh d Day or like Immersion Day for 1008 00:48:49.239 --> 00:48:51.320 Gears was also very iconic, and they had a really 1009 00:48:51.440 --> 00:48:56.400 interesting worldview of our world, like a you know, our 1010 00:48:56.760 --> 00:48:59.679 universe that was destroyed by aliens that were underground the 1011 00:48:59.679 --> 00:49:00.159 whole time. 1012 00:49:00.239 --> 00:49:00.320 And. 1013 00:49:02.239 --> 00:49:02.960 You get. 1014 00:49:04.280 --> 00:49:04.880 That's episode. 1015 00:49:05.840 --> 00:49:09.800 Yeah, that's actually how it started. Yeah, and uh you 1016 00:49:10.079 --> 00:49:11.880 you fight inside of a bug. 1017 00:49:12.199 --> 00:49:12.559 I don't know. 1018 00:49:12.719 --> 00:49:14.800 There's just like so many wonderful levels that I'm like, 1019 00:49:14.880 --> 00:49:17.039 this is so iconic, and even though I do agree 1020 00:49:17.079 --> 00:49:19.760 it's not, it's not actually like my favorite, but I 1021 00:49:19.800 --> 00:49:23.079 think it is just such an important game in the series, 1022 00:49:23.119 --> 00:49:24.599 and I think it's the one that kind of changed 1023 00:49:24.880 --> 00:49:27.079 my life. So I personally have to go with Gears, 1024 00:49:27.280 --> 00:49:29.639 but I have I have a fond respect for Halo, 1025 00:49:30.000 --> 00:49:32.840 and I know that Halo generally, I think might be 1026 00:49:33.039 --> 00:49:34.360 more beloved as a franchise. 1027 00:49:34.440 --> 00:49:38.039 But for me personally these days, Halo's got up some 1028 00:49:38.199 --> 00:49:40.440 stains on it, but it does where it's like Gears. 1029 00:49:40.599 --> 00:49:42.920 I'm sure Gears, I think people just kind of are 1030 00:49:43.000 --> 00:49:47.199 apathetic these days. Emergence Day could maybe turn around, but 1031 00:49:47.360 --> 00:49:49.559 I'm not super I like Gears five a whole bunch 1032 00:49:49.599 --> 00:49:51.599 the Hord mode in Gears five is incredible. 1033 00:49:51.840 --> 00:49:53.400 Well, I just feel like Gears has been a less 1034 00:49:53.519 --> 00:49:55.239 polarizing series over there. 1035 00:49:55.320 --> 00:49:56.719 Like, you know, I played through every. 1036 00:49:56.559 --> 00:49:58.920 Gears campaign with Kayla, like in a row, back to 1037 00:49:58.960 --> 00:50:00.840 back to back, and it's not like, oh ship, we 1038 00:50:00.920 --> 00:50:02.400 got to this one. I know, you know, Judgment is 1039 00:50:02.480 --> 00:50:04.159 kind of a different thing, and I actually don't even 1040 00:50:04.239 --> 00:50:07.440 just like Judgment. But I think Halo has more, especially 1041 00:50:07.480 --> 00:50:09.960 post Bungee, you know, post three. I had a little 1042 00:50:10.119 --> 00:50:11.960 rock year of a history there. But again, it's not 1043 00:50:12.000 --> 00:50:14.559 about the series. I think Hammer of Don was that 1044 00:50:14.639 --> 00:50:17.519 in the first one. Mary, Yeah, okay, my vogue goes 1045 00:50:17.519 --> 00:50:18.079 two years of war. 1046 00:50:20.239 --> 00:50:25.159 Okay, all right. Democratically, I think it's done. Might give anything. 1047 00:50:26.159 --> 00:50:27.119 I said what I say. 1048 00:50:27.480 --> 00:50:29.880 I think they're more polarizing because people care more about Halo. 1049 00:50:30.039 --> 00:50:35.400 But's Halo versus Gears. Gears wins nice, all right. The 1050 00:50:35.519 --> 00:50:43.000 next one. In addition to Dan's heater, which. 1051 00:50:42.880 --> 00:50:49.679 Is now on, I got a rug. 1052 00:50:50.239 --> 00:50:52.280 Look that is so small? 1053 00:50:52.400 --> 00:51:00.920 What is that? Oh my god? Now for a for 1054 00:51:01.000 --> 00:51:02.039 a smaller room. 1055 00:51:02.920 --> 00:51:05.280 The bathroom, Matt, there's nothing else. 1056 00:51:06.159 --> 00:51:08.519 Get a rug, Dan, I promise you. Dan. 1057 00:51:08.719 --> 00:51:12.159 Everybody watching this can say definitively, a bigger rug would 1058 00:51:12.199 --> 00:51:12.880 fit in that room. 1059 00:51:13.079 --> 00:51:14.320 This is how space works. 1060 00:51:15.639 --> 00:51:18.079 Stupid, stupid man. 1061 00:51:19.320 --> 00:51:21.119 He's trying to He's trying to use up our energy 1062 00:51:21.199 --> 00:51:22.239 of argument on the. 1063 00:51:24.159 --> 00:51:27.360 Save it for this one. The next one is World 1064 00:51:27.559 --> 00:51:31.480 of Warcraft versus Super Mario Odyssey. 1065 00:51:31.960 --> 00:51:35.800 Come on, Mario Mario Odyssey, charge you every fucking month 1066 00:51:35.840 --> 00:51:40.280 to play it? Case closed, I'll. 1067 00:51:40.159 --> 00:51:42.960 Save the big is World of Warcraft there because you 1068 00:51:43.079 --> 00:51:45.119 nominated or because you thought it was something we should 1069 00:51:45.159 --> 00:51:45.559 talk about. 1070 00:51:45.840 --> 00:51:48.079 I think it's something that we should talk about, and I, 1071 00:51:48.599 --> 00:51:52.079 upon retrospect, realize that Odyssey is going to destroy this game. 1072 00:51:52.239 --> 00:51:56.119 But it is a very important game and the best. 1073 00:51:55.960 --> 00:51:57.360 Three D platformer of all time. 1074 00:51:57.599 --> 00:52:00.239 But versus the game, the charges you have a month 1075 00:52:00.280 --> 00:52:03.079 to play it. I like World of Warcraft just fine. 1076 00:52:03.119 --> 00:52:05.000 I paid the subscription bay fine. 1077 00:52:05.719 --> 00:52:07.880 I like it just fine. Do you sound like a 1078 00:52:08.440 --> 00:52:12.400 Southern defense attorney. I like World to war Craft. It's 1079 00:52:12.559 --> 00:52:13.000 just fine. 1080 00:52:13.079 --> 00:52:16.400 It is, But well, what you've got like a Florida 1081 00:52:16.519 --> 00:52:20.239 Panhandle thing going on when really what you want is Savannah, 1082 00:52:20.320 --> 00:52:23.039 which is lock Molesses spilling out of your mouth. 1083 00:52:25.639 --> 00:52:28.920 I World of Warcraft was cool. I liked my Dwarf 1084 00:52:29.000 --> 00:52:30.960 Hunter and my elf Gnome and my. 1085 00:52:34.039 --> 00:52:35.519 Out of here argument. 1086 00:52:35.760 --> 00:52:37.719 All right, this is not this is not an argument. 1087 00:52:37.840 --> 00:52:38.320 I'm moving on. 1088 00:52:40.719 --> 00:52:41.920 That's phenomenal. 1089 00:52:42.239 --> 00:52:44.320 Fuck Ukon versus Texas Tech. 1090 00:52:44.800 --> 00:52:47.639 So I was thinking, yeah, next. 1091 00:52:47.519 --> 00:52:52.559 Matchup, Super Mario World versus Call of Duty four. 1092 00:52:53.480 --> 00:52:56.000 Oh God, that sucks. 1093 00:52:56.039 --> 00:52:57.519 Did you who nominated Call Duty four? 1094 00:52:58.599 --> 00:53:01.360 Did just that? Is that just on there? It should 1095 00:53:01.719 --> 00:53:03.800 that would have been actually just on there. 1096 00:53:03.840 --> 00:53:05.400 It might have been in Dan's top twenty five. But 1097 00:53:05.480 --> 00:53:07.760 as I said, I did, yeah, no, it should be 1098 00:53:07.760 --> 00:53:09.760 stop adding them after about fifteen to twenty. 1099 00:53:10.280 --> 00:53:12.519 It's my forty seven on the last time I did this, 1100 00:53:13.360 --> 00:53:15.440 I don't give a shit, but this belongs here. 1101 00:53:15.519 --> 00:53:16.960 This belongs here, y Yeah. Yeah, Like. 1102 00:53:19.239 --> 00:53:21.960 Mario World is one of the like four or five 1103 00:53:22.079 --> 00:53:24.920 games in history that I would consider a perfect video game. 1104 00:53:25.440 --> 00:53:27.880 Nothing should change, and it's aged. It's just as fun 1105 00:53:27.920 --> 00:53:29.639 to play now as it was in nineteen ninety one. 1106 00:53:30.199 --> 00:53:34.159 It is the peak of two D Mario, and I 1107 00:53:34.199 --> 00:53:40.000 would argue maybe maybe even the best Mario game. It's 1108 00:53:40.119 --> 00:53:44.360 kind of between like that and Odyssey. I would say, yeah, 1109 00:53:44.400 --> 00:53:49.400 it is untouchable to me, it is touchable. Yeah, it's 1110 00:53:49.760 --> 00:53:52.000 it was my top ten. It's my number five game 1111 00:53:52.039 --> 00:53:54.960 of all time. Yeah, it's It's a perfect video game, 1112 00:53:55.119 --> 00:53:55.960 absolutely perfect. 1113 00:53:56.480 --> 00:53:56.719 Yeah. 1114 00:53:56.880 --> 00:53:58.519 I mean, I'm not going to argue to Mario World 1115 00:53:58.559 --> 00:54:00.639 over Call Duty, but Call Duty four or I will say, 1116 00:54:00.920 --> 00:54:04.840 it's no question that we're still enthrall to how successful 1117 00:54:04.880 --> 00:54:06.400 in groundbreaking It's multiplayer was. 1118 00:54:06.760 --> 00:54:08.039 Campaign still holds up really well. 1119 00:54:08.039 --> 00:54:11.880 I played it recently, but like it's that multiplayer just 1120 00:54:11.960 --> 00:54:14.880 absolutely changed the game in a way that, for better 1121 00:54:14.960 --> 00:54:17.559 and worse, these days, people are still emulating. 1122 00:54:18.239 --> 00:54:21.559 I played that. I think I prestiged the eighth prestige 1123 00:54:21.599 --> 00:54:22.119 in that game. 1124 00:54:22.880 --> 00:54:24.159 Yeah, and I played Two War. 1125 00:54:24.880 --> 00:54:29.800 Yeah, but I'm not gonna I don't care enough about 1126 00:54:29.840 --> 00:54:32.480 it to say it over Mario World though, Soup Mario World. 1127 00:54:33.440 --> 00:54:35.719 I like to Mario World a whole bunch, but I'm 1128 00:54:35.760 --> 00:54:37.760 kind of apathetic about both of them in a way 1129 00:54:37.800 --> 00:54:38.440 that I'm not gonna. 1130 00:54:38.960 --> 00:54:41.760 Well, you have to, sorry, where's your vote? I'm confused. 1131 00:54:41.880 --> 00:54:43.039 I'll go to Mario World. 1132 00:54:43.360 --> 00:54:46.320 Okay, Okay, so Mary, if you care enough about Call 1133 00:54:46.320 --> 00:54:48.519 of Duty, then I could be tie breaker because I 1134 00:54:48.599 --> 00:54:50.599 don't right now care about either of these enough to 1135 00:54:50.639 --> 00:54:51.280 like really argue. 1136 00:54:51.320 --> 00:54:53.880 So I'm also a bit apathetic to these, and so 1137 00:54:54.320 --> 00:54:56.440 I was going to kind of bow out and see 1138 00:54:56.480 --> 00:54:58.639 how you feel about both of them. I've played both 1139 00:54:58.679 --> 00:55:01.400 of them. I think they're both solid games. They neither 1140 00:55:01.440 --> 00:55:03.199 of them are in my top ten of all time 1141 00:55:03.440 --> 00:55:04.920 or like a game where I would like fight tooth 1142 00:55:04.920 --> 00:55:07.800 and nail for. Call of Duty was also like pretty 1143 00:55:07.880 --> 00:55:10.719 monumental for me. Is like I think COD four was 1144 00:55:10.800 --> 00:55:12.719 my first time playing a COD I didn't play a 1145 00:55:12.760 --> 00:55:14.239 COD before that, so that was a big deal for me. 1146 00:55:15.960 --> 00:55:18.079 Campaigns great like it's it's a it's a it's a 1147 00:55:18.159 --> 00:55:23.840 solid game. Super Mario World is iconic and beloved and 1148 00:55:24.840 --> 00:55:27.599 a fantastic fucking game to play with your siblings, And 1149 00:55:27.760 --> 00:55:31.400 so I guess I could lean more towards super Mario World, 1150 00:55:31.400 --> 00:55:33.599 but I wouldn't. I wouldn't fight for either of them. 1151 00:55:34.280 --> 00:55:35.400 Yeah, I love both of them. 1152 00:55:35.480 --> 00:55:37.199 More passionate person should fight this one. 1153 00:55:37.760 --> 00:55:39.719 Yeah, I mean I do love both of them. 1154 00:55:39.800 --> 00:55:42.880 I've spent so much time with four and undeniably is 1155 00:55:42.920 --> 00:55:44.800 super important. It seems like we all respect it quite 1156 00:55:44.800 --> 00:55:46.800 a bit. But yeah, I mean, you could put fucking 1157 00:55:46.840 --> 00:55:50.000 Metal Year Solid against Mario World, and I would have Uh, 1158 00:55:50.559 --> 00:55:52.400 I might go Mario World. You know, like, that's how 1159 00:55:52.480 --> 00:55:55.039 much I love Mario World. So what's that merry. 1160 00:55:55.519 --> 00:55:58.480 I'm just making sure I heard you that Super Mario 1161 00:55:58.559 --> 00:56:00.840 World is more then. 1162 00:56:02.119 --> 00:56:04.679 I did not say that Metal Gear, and I would 1163 00:56:04.719 --> 00:56:06.440 not say that, And I don't know if I'm gonna 1164 00:56:06.480 --> 00:56:08.719 have to say that right now. All I have to 1165 00:56:08.760 --> 00:56:09.440 say is that's the. 1166 00:56:09.440 --> 00:56:12.280 Beauty of brackets. You absolutely the fuck will have to 1167 00:56:12.320 --> 00:56:14.760 say that at some point. It's just a matter of time. 1168 00:56:15.719 --> 00:56:17.320 I will cross that bridge when I come to it. 1169 00:56:17.440 --> 00:56:20.920 The bridge right now is Mario World beats Call of 1170 00:56:21.039 --> 00:56:21.519 Duty four. 1171 00:56:21.800 --> 00:56:26.480 Okay, sounds like there's no grave oppositions to this, so 1172 00:56:26.519 --> 00:56:29.039 we're gonna go with Super Mario World winning over Call 1173 00:56:29.079 --> 00:56:37.039 of Duty four. Right next? Total war war Hammer three. 1174 00:56:37.400 --> 00:56:39.119 Yeah, I don't give a fuck what's next. 1175 00:56:39.199 --> 00:56:41.800 I'm going Red Dead Redemption two. 1176 00:56:42.079 --> 00:56:45.800 Fuck me, God damn it, this is funny. I'm going 1177 00:56:45.880 --> 00:56:47.400 Red Dead too. I've always loved that game. 1178 00:56:47.519 --> 00:56:48.440 It's really funny. 1179 00:56:49.320 --> 00:56:52.719 That's a good one for Mikey. Lock me in for 1180 00:56:52.840 --> 00:56:54.800 Red Dead Redemption two. I was playing it today. 1181 00:56:55.639 --> 00:57:01.519 God damn it, Mike Clear, I'm not wasting breath talking 1182 00:57:01.679 --> 00:57:03.440 about Total War war Hammer three to either of you. 1183 00:57:03.519 --> 00:57:06.400 Anymore. I've made that vow and I have any to 1184 00:57:06.440 --> 00:57:07.039 play it with now. 1185 00:57:07.320 --> 00:57:11.280 But yeah, I can't. I can't say he's. 1186 00:57:11.159 --> 00:57:13.400 Not on this podcast. He'sn't get a fucking vote. Which 1187 00:57:13.440 --> 00:57:14.039 one do you want? 1188 00:57:14.239 --> 00:57:21.199 Oh? Fuck? I? 1189 00:57:22.519 --> 00:57:24.239 Oh god, I don't know. I feel like I don't. 1190 00:57:24.280 --> 00:57:25.880 I feel like I have to talk myself into both 1191 00:57:25.920 --> 00:57:26.159 of them. 1192 00:57:26.519 --> 00:57:28.039 Why were they going married? Do you have a vote? 1193 00:57:28.960 --> 00:57:31.800 I would probably because I know this is this is 1194 00:57:31.960 --> 00:57:36.119 Michael's Sophie's choice, So I think, like, based on what 1195 00:57:36.239 --> 00:57:39.280 Mike thinks, I'll probably support him in it. I played 1196 00:57:39.320 --> 00:57:39.920 both of these. 1197 00:57:40.400 --> 00:57:42.280 When did you play Total War war Hammer three? 1198 00:57:42.880 --> 00:57:43.519 I skimmed it. 1199 00:57:43.679 --> 00:57:48.280 No, you didn't fuck up, you liar, you didn't know. 1200 00:57:48.519 --> 00:57:53.800 You didn't win the war. Skimmed it's so total. Yeah, 1201 00:57:54.159 --> 00:57:56.039 for the third time, it's crazy. 1202 00:57:56.400 --> 00:57:59.320 You're gonna be You're gonna be eating your words. 1203 00:58:00.039 --> 00:58:03.079 The show blows up, and that gets syndicated when we 1204 00:58:03.280 --> 00:58:07.079 when when Peacock wants the show on its streaming and 1205 00:58:07.159 --> 00:58:08.360 you guys don't get a penny. 1206 00:58:08.760 --> 00:58:09.840 I don't even know how that works. 1207 00:58:11.199 --> 00:58:13.800 I'm just saying I think I think you should probably 1208 00:58:13.880 --> 00:58:18.280 get a heavier, heftier saying, yeah, I know, I'm just. 1209 00:58:18.280 --> 00:58:19.320 Trying to figure out how to. 1210 00:58:21.519 --> 00:58:24.119 I've played Total Warhammer three much much, much more than 1211 00:58:24.159 --> 00:58:37.519 Red Dead Redemption two. But you know what, Total war 1212 00:58:37.519 --> 00:58:39.199 Warhammer three I already said x Com two is my 1213 00:58:39.199 --> 00:58:41.639 favorite strategy game of all time. Total war Warmer three 1214 00:58:41.679 --> 00:58:42.320 is right behind it. 1215 00:58:42.840 --> 00:58:44.239 The tough thing with Total war war HEMM three is 1216 00:58:44.239 --> 00:58:45.960 you're kind of talking about all three games because of 1217 00:58:46.000 --> 00:58:47.159 the Immortal Empires mode. 1218 00:58:47.239 --> 00:58:49.440 But Red Dead Redemption two. 1219 00:58:51.280 --> 00:58:55.800 Just one of the most impressive video games ever in 1220 00:58:56.679 --> 00:59:02.199 it's world design, it's writing, it's it's absolutely replete with flaws, 1221 00:59:02.480 --> 00:59:05.559 of course, but everything else is just so strong. 1222 00:59:05.639 --> 00:59:07.079 It's it's a monumental game. 1223 00:59:07.159 --> 00:59:09.440 Total Warhammer three is not better than Red Redemption two, 1224 00:59:11.280 --> 00:59:15.599 but I right now would rather play Total war Warhammer 1225 00:59:15.679 --> 00:59:17.400 three for what it's worth. 1226 00:59:17.599 --> 00:59:17.880 But I. 1227 00:59:20.880 --> 00:59:25.400 I just said, you just keep sucking that Warhammer and 1228 00:59:25.519 --> 00:59:26.280 I can't. 1229 00:59:27.679 --> 00:59:27.719 Do. 1230 00:59:29.559 --> 00:59:31.199 You know what, it's Red Deredemption two. 1231 00:59:32.079 --> 00:59:36.599 I've talked enough about Warhammer three with my past soliloquies 1232 00:59:36.639 --> 00:59:38.599 about it, have not gotten be able to fucking play it. 1233 00:59:38.679 --> 00:59:43.199 I'm not gonna right now, So Red two is my vote? 1234 00:59:43.239 --> 00:59:45.960 Did Yeah, Red. 1235 00:59:45.800 --> 00:59:49.559 Dead Redemption two wins over Total war Warhammer three. 1236 00:59:51.079 --> 00:59:53.239 I'm with Dan. I got some conspiracy theories going on 1237 00:59:53.280 --> 00:59:56.480 about whether this is how random this was, she had 1238 00:59:56.519 --> 00:59:57.719 to make any bad choices here. 1239 00:59:58.079 --> 01:00:01.519 I also want to say, there's been uh, well I 1240 01:00:01.679 --> 01:00:08.199 lost tomb Raider, there's been, Yeah, there's I prioritized a 1241 01:00:08.280 --> 01:00:11.039 lot of your guys' games because you guys felt so strongly. 1242 01:00:11.159 --> 01:00:12.800 I also want to say that when it comes to 1243 01:00:12.960 --> 01:00:15.800 the bracket, who got the most games in? Mike did, 1244 01:00:16.840 --> 01:00:18.400 because more games. 1245 01:00:18.159 --> 01:00:21.239 In probably had more outliers than you two right. 1246 01:00:22.480 --> 01:00:25.360 Ones that I think are like also just universally liked. 1247 01:00:25.400 --> 01:00:27.000 So it's like you put games in yours where I 1248 01:00:27.159 --> 01:00:30.320 was like, this is a game that the world we. 1249 01:00:30.320 --> 01:00:32.599 Should talk about. Okay, I got, yeah, that we should 1250 01:00:32.599 --> 01:00:33.039 talk about. 1251 01:00:33.559 --> 01:00:36.039 Yeah, like RPGA a little. 1252 01:00:35.840 --> 01:00:38.079 Bit more obscure. I put in as many as I could, Dan, 1253 01:00:38.159 --> 01:00:39.960 but I couldn't put in all of your fucking crap. 1254 01:00:40.159 --> 01:00:43.159 Well, yeah, I had to balance out Galactic Battlegrounds with 1255 01:00:43.280 --> 01:00:45.960 an RPG because Dan wasn't about to put an RPG. 1256 01:00:45.880 --> 01:00:46.360 On his list. 1257 01:00:46.840 --> 01:00:53.159 Yeah, okay, next the next one? 1258 01:00:54.199 --> 01:00:54.400 Wait? 1259 01:00:54.480 --> 01:00:56.320 Sorry, how many have we done so far? 1260 01:00:56.559 --> 01:00:59.719 How many? Like? I don't know? Bracket is weird? 1261 01:01:00.400 --> 01:01:04.280 One two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight. 1262 01:01:05.039 --> 01:01:05.679 Nine, ten. 1263 01:01:06.239 --> 01:01:08.119 We've done ten matchups twenty games. 1264 01:01:08.159 --> 01:01:08.920 I guess there were a few. 1265 01:01:10.000 --> 01:01:13.039 We have a long way to go. Yeah, sorry, all right, 1266 01:01:13.679 --> 01:01:26.039 next matchup the legend of Zelda Majora's Mask versus Borderlands Too, Joe. 1267 01:01:26.239 --> 01:01:27.719 Is the best game ever made. What do we do it? 1268 01:01:27.840 --> 01:01:28.800 It's so fucking cool. 1269 01:01:28.920 --> 01:01:34.519 But you had to be there at certain times of day. 1270 01:01:35.519 --> 01:01:35.960 That's cool. 1271 01:01:36.039 --> 01:01:37.679 Borderlands you just get to play and shoot. 1272 01:01:37.719 --> 01:01:44.119 Stop you nominate Borderlands too, There's Guns is a great game. 1273 01:01:44.159 --> 01:01:47.840 I love that. I got it like a nine high, 1274 01:01:47.880 --> 01:01:52.079 but yeah, it's too high. I regret that score. But yeah. 1275 01:01:52.239 --> 01:01:54.679 The first words Dan ever said to me in my 1276 01:01:54.840 --> 01:01:57.440 life were when he said or he even say it 1277 01:01:57.519 --> 01:01:58.920 to me. I heard him across the room say that 1278 01:01:59.000 --> 01:02:00.840 in turn keeps dying a lot when he had a 1279 01:02:01.039 --> 01:02:04.440 level forty character and I had just started mine at 1280 01:02:04.639 --> 01:02:06.760 Charity a children's hospital. 1281 01:02:08.280 --> 01:02:12.239 Anyway, Yeah, I think Borderlands was a phenomenal game. 1282 01:02:12.920 --> 01:02:17.719 It's the best Borderlands, but also Majors Mask is just 1283 01:02:18.400 --> 01:02:22.159 this intricate puzzle box of Azelda that absolutely flew too 1284 01:02:22.199 --> 01:02:24.960 close to the sun in its N sixty four version, 1285 01:02:25.079 --> 01:02:27.320 but in its three DS remake and now you can 1286 01:02:27.360 --> 01:02:28.000 play it on the switch. 1287 01:02:28.159 --> 01:02:28.760 They must. 1288 01:02:28.840 --> 01:02:31.079 They iron out like the two biggest problems it had. 1289 01:02:31.159 --> 01:02:34.280 And now I think people appreciate it for how brilliant 1290 01:02:34.320 --> 01:02:36.599 it's time loop structure was and how it was. 1291 01:02:36.760 --> 01:02:38.159 It was brilliant back then, but it was. 1292 01:02:38.320 --> 01:02:43.760 Yes, I think it's more accessible. Yeah, yeah, series that's 1293 01:02:43.760 --> 01:02:52.800 always been in a series, that game. Yeah, aged perfectly, Randy. 1294 01:02:53.159 --> 01:02:57.320 She's got that Randy pitch in her pocket right Now'randy 1295 01:02:57.400 --> 01:03:00.920 Pittsford and Andrew Reiner pulling Mary very. 1296 01:03:01.519 --> 01:03:03.119 I think this is a losing battle. 1297 01:03:03.840 --> 01:03:07.239 It is just objectively, you've already lost. 1298 01:03:07.599 --> 01:03:10.440 I would happily play Borderlines too with you at some point. 1299 01:03:10.599 --> 01:03:13.599 Yeah, no, you don't deserve boxes d. 1300 01:03:16.239 --> 01:03:19.920 The winner. The winner is the legend of Zelda Majora's 1301 01:03:20.000 --> 01:03:30.239 mouth sick. Cool Okay. The next matchup GTA five versus 1302 01:03:30.360 --> 01:03:32.960 elden Ring elden Ring. 1303 01:03:33.639 --> 01:03:36.880 I mean, look again, if this was like impact, like 1304 01:03:37.000 --> 01:03:40.360 mainstream impacts of like GTA the online part of five, 1305 01:03:41.639 --> 01:03:44.639 way bigger than I think anybody would expect it. But look, 1306 01:03:44.679 --> 01:03:46.159 I like GTA five a lot. I think it's a 1307 01:03:46.159 --> 01:03:49.320 great fucking video game. Uh, one of the better GTAs, 1308 01:03:49.320 --> 01:03:55.119 I would say, Uh, elden Ring Is. There's just nothing 1309 01:03:55.199 --> 01:03:56.159 like it. I mean, we gave a game of the 1310 01:03:56.239 --> 01:03:58.119 Year and didn't give it a second thought. It seems 1311 01:03:58.159 --> 01:04:00.199 you know, it's a well. 1312 01:04:00.159 --> 01:04:02.280 You gave it a second thought. You were trying to 1313 01:04:02.320 --> 01:04:04.440 push Vampire Survivors over. I had to talk about how 1314 01:04:04.519 --> 01:04:06.119 one was seation. 1315 01:04:07.440 --> 01:04:11.880 No, you didn't even put it in your top fifteen 1316 01:04:13.000 --> 01:04:15.800 Elton Ring Vampire Survivors. 1317 01:04:16.199 --> 01:04:19.519 Oh oh well no, no, it's just elden Ring is. 1318 01:04:20.639 --> 01:04:24.199 Oh, I've changed my mind. That was just silly lollygagging. 1319 01:04:24.440 --> 01:04:27.400 And now this is serious game time and elden Ring 1320 01:04:27.639 --> 01:04:28.280 is important. 1321 01:04:28.840 --> 01:04:29.159 It is. 1322 01:04:31.079 --> 01:04:34.800 Is iconic, it is revolutionary, and like to this day, 1323 01:04:35.239 --> 01:04:38.599 there are people who make a living playing GTA role 1324 01:04:38.679 --> 01:04:41.960 playing as a job. It's so crazy that you can 1325 01:04:42.039 --> 01:04:44.639 do that. I find it just wild to me, the 1326 01:04:44.800 --> 01:04:48.840 intricacies and the amount of world building in GTA that 1327 01:04:48.960 --> 01:04:51.199 you can have your own mansions, You can play as 1328 01:04:51.239 --> 01:04:52.960 a cop if you want to, You can role play 1329 01:04:52.960 --> 01:04:55.159 as all these different characters. You can just play the 1330 01:04:55.239 --> 01:04:58.360 damn game, but you can also play online with all 1331 01:04:58.360 --> 01:05:01.480 these different mini games. The The Heists and GTA five 1332 01:05:01.760 --> 01:05:05.440 are god tier. Getting four people together and being like 1333 01:05:05.480 --> 01:05:08.400 we're gonna we are going to take this bank down 1334 01:05:09.039 --> 01:05:12.519 as a group and then run from the cops. Is 1335 01:05:12.880 --> 01:05:15.000 It is just so much fun And I would rather 1336 01:05:15.119 --> 01:05:19.400 play GTA five bank heists than I would elden Ring 1337 01:05:19.519 --> 01:05:19.920 Right now. 1338 01:05:20.880 --> 01:05:23.679 I'm GTA Mike. 1339 01:05:23.800 --> 01:05:27.639 I feel like you, being smarter than me, would be 1340 01:05:27.760 --> 01:05:31.440 better at explaining because I'm kind of coming because I 1341 01:05:31.440 --> 01:05:33.159 feel like elden Ring has been talking about so much 1342 01:05:33.199 --> 01:05:37.320 for so many years, including by us, that I would 1343 01:05:37.360 --> 01:05:39.840 trust you to make this argument here. 1344 01:05:41.880 --> 01:05:44.119 Yeah, if it was Red Dead two versus elden Ring, 1345 01:05:44.159 --> 01:05:46.719 I would go Red Dead two. And GTA five is 1346 01:05:46.840 --> 01:05:55.079 undoubtedly phenomenal. The just sheer achievement wise, being able to 1347 01:05:55.400 --> 01:05:57.880 zoom out and then go across the map and zoom 1348 01:05:57.920 --> 01:06:00.320 in on a new character that they've fully written character 1349 01:06:00.400 --> 01:06:02.480 in an open world was incredible, but still nothing like 1350 01:06:02.559 --> 01:06:07.960 that has been done since it's GTA online. That is 1351 01:06:08.000 --> 01:06:09.920 truly the impressive thing to me as someone who went 1352 01:06:09.960 --> 01:06:13.119 into the one of their careers to do like a 1353 01:06:13.159 --> 01:06:14.880 biker gang and like how you can move up the 1354 01:06:14.960 --> 01:06:16.119 ranks and assign your friends. 1355 01:06:16.199 --> 01:06:16.920 Yeah, Mary's right. 1356 01:06:17.280 --> 01:06:20.039 Honestly, one of the best role playing games you could 1357 01:06:20.039 --> 01:06:25.960 play today is GTI online, but elden Rings how they 1358 01:06:26.079 --> 01:06:32.920 took their craft at pattern recognition based combat of challenge, 1359 01:06:32.920 --> 01:06:36.079 of overcoming it, of the sheer number of character builds 1360 01:06:36.119 --> 01:06:39.320 that are viable, and elden Ring in a world that 1361 01:06:39.559 --> 01:06:42.760 has biomes as different as a place where you basically 1362 01:06:42.840 --> 01:06:46.440 can just get poisoned from walking around to a place 1363 01:06:46.480 --> 01:06:49.639 where they're just it's built to house giants, so you 1364 01:06:49.719 --> 01:06:51.719 have to worry about fighting giants left and right, and 1365 01:06:51.800 --> 01:06:54.199 then your build might not even work to account for 1366 01:06:54.239 --> 01:06:58.199 all the things they did in elden Ring, I think 1367 01:06:58.360 --> 01:07:05.039 is more impressive than the undoubtedly extremely deep detail in 1368 01:07:05.719 --> 01:07:08.119 uh Los Santos. There's still stuff in Los Aantos that 1369 01:07:08.159 --> 01:07:11.920 people are have not figured out yet, Like Rockstar. There's 1370 01:07:11.920 --> 01:07:14.079 alien stuff, there's big foot stuff that people are still 1371 01:07:14.119 --> 01:07:18.119 finding new clues to today. But I still think elden 1372 01:07:18.199 --> 01:07:21.639 Ring it's how it's paced with its boss fights, just 1373 01:07:21.719 --> 01:07:24.199 the fact that you can go into a side dungeon 1374 01:07:24.239 --> 01:07:25.679 that not everybody has seen, and it's just one of 1375 01:07:25.679 --> 01:07:29.199 the most intricately designed labyrinths of a Some are like 1376 01:07:29.280 --> 01:07:32.239 more puzzle box oriented, others are just more about funneling 1377 01:07:32.280 --> 01:07:35.599 you toward this incredible boss fight that again, like I 1378 01:07:35.719 --> 01:07:37.719 might have seen bosses that you two haven't even fought. 1379 01:07:38.639 --> 01:07:42.159 And again, just the ease with which you can switch 1380 01:07:42.239 --> 01:07:45.360 between character builds. But the fact that there's such a 1381 01:07:45.440 --> 01:07:50.440 high skill ceiling for like sixteen different viable builds. That's 1382 01:07:50.480 --> 01:07:53.239 a like a that's something that like even character action 1383 01:07:53.519 --> 01:07:55.719 action games, most of them haven't achieved the fact that 1384 01:07:55.800 --> 01:08:00.760 it works in such a huge, vast world of that 1385 01:08:01.000 --> 01:08:04.960 scope where you can eventually climb on top of these 1386 01:08:05.000 --> 01:08:08.599 walking cathedrals and then go talk to a turtle with 1387 01:08:08.679 --> 01:08:12.360 a popat to respect. And there's there's something about Elden 1388 01:08:12.400 --> 01:08:15.159 World's Elden Rings World that they took dark Souls, and 1389 01:08:15.199 --> 01:08:16.920 if you've seen those maps of Dark Souls, it's really 1390 01:08:16.920 --> 01:08:20.560 about just moving downward gradually. But the way that they 1391 01:08:20.600 --> 01:08:23.479 achieve that without you really realizing how far down you're moving. 1392 01:08:23.640 --> 01:08:26.960 There's that certain subtlety to Elden Rings World design that, 1393 01:08:28.000 --> 01:08:29.920 after like twenty hours of playing, you step back and 1394 01:08:30.000 --> 01:08:32.840 be like, holy shit, I've been underground. I've been underground 1395 01:08:32.840 --> 01:08:34.800 in this underground map that's basically as big as the 1396 01:08:35.000 --> 01:08:39.680 surface for ten hours now, and it's just as nuanced 1397 01:08:39.800 --> 01:08:41.359 as any far Cry game. 1398 01:08:41.439 --> 01:08:44.159 That I've ever played. Elder Ring to me is more 1399 01:08:44.359 --> 01:08:45.039 more impressive. 1400 01:08:46.560 --> 01:08:47.399 Yeah, let me ask this. 1401 01:08:48.159 --> 01:08:50.920 You know, undeniably, the GTA online stuff is huge, and 1402 01:08:51.119 --> 01:08:52.720 you know, Mary, you bring up the role play stuff 1403 01:08:52.720 --> 01:08:55.079 and that's fascinating that, Yes, people can do that, and 1404 01:08:55.119 --> 01:08:57.399 there's a whole it's so detailed and there's so much 1405 01:08:57.439 --> 01:08:59.279 going on in Los Santo's that like, holy shit, that 1406 01:08:59.319 --> 01:09:01.000 can be a whole or game if you want to 1407 01:09:01.039 --> 01:09:01.359 make it that. 1408 01:09:02.039 --> 01:09:03.960 But do any of us do that. I don't know 1409 01:09:04.000 --> 01:09:05.880 if we do, Like, are any of us doing GTA 1410 01:09:06.800 --> 01:09:09.319 rob But I did for a long time. 1411 01:09:09.520 --> 01:09:11.800 I mean, it is an older game, so I have 1412 01:09:11.920 --> 01:09:15.359 to also like give it credit. We're talking when we 1413 01:09:15.439 --> 01:09:19.359 talk about us internally, GTA was very monumental to me 1414 01:09:19.520 --> 01:09:22.399 and my time at game Spot, and I played it 1415 01:09:22.680 --> 01:09:25.640 weekly in a series where every week we would come 1416 01:09:25.720 --> 01:09:29.840 up with some bullshit that was so much fun. I 1417 01:09:29.960 --> 01:09:33.479 have laughed myself to tears playing GTA five. It is 1418 01:09:33.720 --> 01:09:37.840 so immersive and so goddamn funny. Eldin Ering only really 1419 01:09:37.880 --> 01:09:40.399 produces like one emotion out of me, and it's usually 1420 01:09:40.560 --> 01:09:44.760 like extraordinary stress because I am trying to live in 1421 01:09:44.880 --> 01:09:49.199 this anxiety fueled death World. Yes, it's very good at that, 1422 01:09:49.880 --> 01:09:53.079 but I just had so many more ranges of emotions 1423 01:09:53.159 --> 01:09:54.000 playing GTA. 1424 01:09:54.119 --> 01:09:54.840 I laughed, I. 1425 01:09:55.000 --> 01:09:58.159 Cried, I screamed, I got angry. I mean, I really 1426 01:09:58.239 --> 01:10:00.119 went through it with GTA, and I just also, I 1427 01:10:00.159 --> 01:10:05.840 think generally speaking, I just had more fun. Whereas elden Ring, 1428 01:10:05.920 --> 01:10:07.840 I do agree. I actually think it's more impressive. I 1429 01:10:07.880 --> 01:10:11.520 think it is. I think it is perfectly executed. But 1430 01:10:11.600 --> 01:10:15.159 we're just talking about often what it is that brings 1431 01:10:15.279 --> 01:10:18.199 us joy to play, like we get excited about. And 1432 01:10:18.680 --> 01:10:22.640 while I think elden Ring is expertly constructed and genius, 1433 01:10:23.159 --> 01:10:25.600 I think GTA is the sandbox I wish to play 1434 01:10:25.640 --> 01:10:29.880 in all the time, and I just think it's it's incredible. 1435 01:10:29.960 --> 01:10:32.560 So I unfortunately I don't think I'm going to survive this, 1436 01:10:32.720 --> 01:10:34.279 but GTA is the game for me. 1437 01:10:34.520 --> 01:10:38.119 Yeah, yeah, I mean it's and I get the argument 1438 01:10:38.239 --> 01:10:41.119 it's it's one of the greats, but yeah, I'm going 1439 01:10:41.199 --> 01:10:42.239 with elden Ring for mine. 1440 01:10:42.760 --> 01:10:47.520 Michael elden Ring as well. GA GTA online especially is 1441 01:10:47.600 --> 01:10:48.159 fucking red. 1442 01:10:49.359 --> 01:10:56.840 Elden Ring wins over GTA five next Super Mario Galaxy 1443 01:10:56.960 --> 01:10:59.560 two versus Rocket League. 1444 01:11:00.199 --> 01:11:06.680 Oh did you also know this is a genuine question. 1445 01:11:06.960 --> 01:11:08.199 Is this the only galaxy here? 1446 01:11:08.319 --> 01:11:11.039 Did you do both? I probably put Galaxy one on it? 1447 01:11:12.239 --> 01:11:15.039 Okay, because I'm just curious. Okay, yeah, go go for it. 1448 01:11:16.359 --> 01:11:19.520 Okay, look, Mike, what are you voting? Rocket League? Okay, 1449 01:11:20.479 --> 01:11:23.640 I'm not gonna breath. Rocket League wins the whole tournament. No, 1450 01:11:23.680 --> 01:11:24.159 it just joking. 1451 01:11:24.199 --> 01:11:26.760 I doned to talk about other Mario games. Yeah, I'm 1452 01:11:26.800 --> 01:11:29.640 not gonna waste my breath. Put Rocket League forward. Galaxy 1453 01:11:29.680 --> 01:11:31.239 two is great, takes all the things that were great 1454 01:11:31.239 --> 01:11:34.920 about one, as a nice overworld system and everything. I 1455 01:11:35.079 --> 01:11:37.720 think it as less of the motion bullshit that the 1456 01:11:37.760 --> 01:11:40.800 first one had. Uh, it's great, but I don't need 1457 01:11:40.880 --> 01:11:43.399 to I don't need to think it's praises, It's it's fine. 1458 01:11:43.600 --> 01:11:44.600 Rocket League's very good too. 1459 01:11:46.119 --> 01:11:48.119 The winner is Rocket League. You did not put Super 1460 01:11:48.159 --> 01:11:50.600 Mario Galaxy one on here. This is the only Super 1461 01:11:50.640 --> 01:11:51.520 Mario Galaxy. 1462 01:11:53.039 --> 01:11:55.680 But there are other Mario games. Yes, No, that's it. 1463 01:11:55.760 --> 01:12:01.119 We're out. I just Rocket League. There's no use. Just 1464 01:12:01.319 --> 01:12:01.920 put it forward. 1465 01:12:02.399 --> 01:12:07.640 Next Team Fortress two versus Mario Party two. 1466 01:12:09.880 --> 01:12:12.199 I tried to get Team Fortress two to run on 1467 01:12:12.239 --> 01:12:14.680 my computer for so long it seems so fun and 1468 01:12:14.760 --> 01:12:16.359 it wouldn't run on my E machines. 1469 01:12:17.000 --> 01:12:18.199 So Mario Party two. 1470 01:12:18.479 --> 01:12:19.439 It's not my fault. 1471 01:12:19.520 --> 01:12:20.159 You were like. 1472 01:12:22.319 --> 01:12:25.880 Team Fortress too. It is one of the latest games 1473 01:12:25.960 --> 01:12:26.640 of all time. 1474 01:12:28.479 --> 01:12:34.760 Yeah, it's such a good going to maybe go to 1475 01:12:34.840 --> 01:12:36.000 bat for Mario Party two. 1476 01:12:36.560 --> 01:12:38.319 I just don't really hear you talk about Team I 1477 01:12:38.359 --> 01:12:39.960 don't think you've ever talked about Team Fortress. 1478 01:12:40.479 --> 01:12:41.359 He was a child. 1479 01:12:42.319 --> 01:12:44.359 I play a lot of teas. I abolutely love Team 1480 01:12:44.399 --> 01:12:44.840 Fortress too. 1481 01:12:44.840 --> 01:12:47.119 It's just there are better variations of Team forts two 1482 01:12:47.159 --> 01:12:49.800 in my opinion now, but they exist because Team Fortress 1483 01:12:49.800 --> 01:12:51.600 two laid the foundation first. 1484 01:12:51.840 --> 01:12:52.159 Yeah. 1485 01:12:52.600 --> 01:12:53.520 Yeah, yah, yeah, yeah yeah. 1486 01:12:53.560 --> 01:12:56.920 Mario Party two is the best Mario Party Cool. There's 1487 01:12:56.960 --> 01:12:59.079 plenty on the Internet. There's plenty on the Internet of 1488 01:12:59.199 --> 01:13:05.000 me doing Mario. You move your little little whatever game forward. 1489 01:13:05.079 --> 01:13:07.840 That's fine with your computers and your internet. 1490 01:13:09.319 --> 01:13:11.680 Yeah, there's no internet outside of Kansas City. 1491 01:13:13.119 --> 01:13:15.840 I believe that your reason for liking another game is 1492 01:13:15.880 --> 01:13:18.279 that you just couldn't play Team Fortress too, and so 1493 01:13:18.439 --> 01:13:21.399 you like looked through your blinds of all the other 1494 01:13:21.520 --> 01:13:24.039 kids having fun and couldn't play. 1495 01:13:24.479 --> 01:13:26.760 I basically hated PC games until I actually had a 1496 01:13:26.760 --> 01:13:27.720 PC that could run stuff. 1497 01:13:27.880 --> 01:13:33.239 So it's so good. Fantastic Team Fortress to wallops, Mario 1498 01:13:33.399 --> 01:13:34.520 Party two to win. 1499 01:13:36.439 --> 01:13:40.600 She's really just driving the nails in matchup. 1500 01:13:42.119 --> 01:13:49.760 She's coming whatever wins is the sheet Hitman World of 1501 01:13:49.840 --> 01:13:55.319 Assassination versus Fire Emblem three Houses. 1502 01:13:56.359 --> 01:14:01.640 Come, Yeah, I love Fire through House. I'm not I'm 1503 01:14:01.720 --> 01:14:03.880 drowning that child? If wait, is that what happened in 1504 01:14:03.920 --> 01:14:09.319 Sophie's Choice? Probably I never saw. Did they drown her 1505 01:14:09.359 --> 01:14:11.159 in million? What's the one where they drowned? 1506 01:14:11.199 --> 01:14:12.039 The one? I can't see it? 1507 01:14:12.520 --> 01:14:14.239 Am I making this up? Did I dream about this? 1508 01:14:14.520 --> 01:14:17.840 I've never seen a baby drown I mean neither outside 1509 01:14:17.840 --> 01:14:18.359 of a movie. 1510 01:14:20.159 --> 01:14:21.680 Dan, Why would you even say that? 1511 01:14:22.920 --> 01:14:28.439 I have never seen I'm thinking of the Nirvana album cover. 1512 01:14:29.000 --> 01:14:32.159 Oh I was just swimming for money? Yeah? Uh no, 1513 01:14:32.399 --> 01:14:33.399 I absolutely. 1514 01:14:33.520 --> 01:14:36.640 I think love Fire three Houses, but I love Hitman 1515 01:14:36.680 --> 01:14:41.079 World asassination. Hitman World Assassination is like, if you want 1516 01:14:42.000 --> 01:14:44.399 do you want to see what like good game design is? 1517 01:14:44.760 --> 01:14:47.479 Just play those games. If three Houses want to. 1518 01:14:47.479 --> 01:14:49.560 Know what we're capable of, just show them what Io 1519 01:14:49.720 --> 01:14:50.119 has made. 1520 01:14:50.720 --> 01:14:53.319 Yeah, Three Houses is good, but it had way too 1521 01:14:53.399 --> 01:14:55.439 much of that bullshit in between missions. I thought it works, 1522 01:14:55.479 --> 01:14:57.800 but Awakening would have been the one that even that, 1523 01:14:57.960 --> 01:15:00.319 like there's Awakening was awesome to make. 1524 01:15:00.199 --> 01:15:03.039 Stuff in between the good stuff. But hit Man definitely 1525 01:15:03.119 --> 01:15:06.920 hit Man. Yeah, agreed, I don't this will. 1526 01:15:06.800 --> 01:15:08.720 Be our last before the break okay? 1527 01:15:09.640 --> 01:15:09.960 O god? 1528 01:15:10.600 --> 01:15:13.560 Oh and just to be clear, Man World of Assassination 1529 01:15:13.960 --> 01:15:15.560 wins over Fire Emblems. 1530 01:15:16.760 --> 01:15:17.920 Assuming everybody knows this. 1531 01:15:18.079 --> 01:15:20.760 Listen, Yes, I'm assuming everybody knows this, but if you're listening, 1532 01:15:20.800 --> 01:15:23.159 hit Man World Assassination is what they rebranded the whole 1533 01:15:23.239 --> 01:15:25.560 trilogy into as one big package, just so people know. 1534 01:15:25.960 --> 01:15:28.399 It's so nice that way, you don't have to make 1535 01:15:28.439 --> 01:15:29.720 a choice, you just get Oh. 1536 01:15:29.760 --> 01:15:31.319 I thought you was saying I was nice for explaining it. 1537 01:15:31.399 --> 01:15:32.640 It was like, I'm just letting them know. 1538 01:15:34.119 --> 01:15:35.840 You, you idiot. 1539 01:15:36.239 --> 01:15:39.319 It takes a lot so thoughtful Mike, all right. 1540 01:15:41.039 --> 01:15:45.760 Witcher three Wild Hunt versus Metal Gear Solid. 1541 01:15:46.640 --> 01:15:49.199 You motherfuckers better not screw me on this. 1542 01:15:50.000 --> 01:15:50.960 Oh random? 1543 01:15:51.880 --> 01:15:53.960 Oh Actually, honestly, I think this is going to be 1544 01:15:54.000 --> 01:15:54.600 hardest for me. 1545 01:15:55.119 --> 01:15:57.239 Okay, Mike, I didn't put. 1546 01:15:57.119 --> 01:15:58.600 What your three on there for the record. I think 1547 01:15:58.640 --> 01:15:59.960 Mary might have put it there because we do need 1548 01:16:00.119 --> 01:16:00.600 to talk about it. 1549 01:16:00.680 --> 01:16:03.439 But like I acknowledged the Witcher three is a very 1550 01:16:03.520 --> 01:16:04.960 good game. Stop I'm saying that. 1551 01:16:05.159 --> 01:16:08.279 Everyone keeps saying it's a very good game. Making the 1552 01:16:08.399 --> 01:16:09.840 bracket is an honor. 1553 01:16:10.560 --> 01:16:13.399 I'll say this, it is getting. 1554 01:16:15.800 --> 01:16:18.600 Despite that, a lot of like I know, the narrative stuff, 1555 01:16:18.760 --> 01:16:20.039 like there are a lot of things that it does 1556 01:16:20.159 --> 01:16:22.680 more than your standard like action RPG thing like you know, 1557 01:16:22.800 --> 01:16:25.239 like a side question Witcher three do really matter, and 1558 01:16:25.239 --> 01:16:26.479 a lot of them, like some of the best stories 1559 01:16:26.520 --> 01:16:28.840 in the game I know are in these quote unquote 1560 01:16:28.880 --> 01:16:32.319 side quests. But there's a level of care and thought 1561 01:16:32.479 --> 01:16:35.239 that goes into that game that I can't just be like, oh, 1562 01:16:35.279 --> 01:16:36.840 there's a million of these type of games. It is 1563 01:16:37.079 --> 01:16:40.600 in its own league with that stuff. But Medal Year 1564 01:16:40.680 --> 01:16:44.600 Solid one was a see change for video games. It 1565 01:16:44.920 --> 01:16:47.560 was in nineteen ninety eight. You did not see things 1566 01:16:47.600 --> 01:16:51.079 on that level that were everybody. Everybody was like, holy shit, 1567 01:16:51.159 --> 01:16:52.960 it's like we are playing a movie. I was reading 1568 01:16:53.000 --> 01:16:55.239 a preview, a magazine preview of Metal Year Solid and 1569 01:16:55.279 --> 01:16:58.920 they had to explain that, like you'll see the camera 1570 01:16:59.319 --> 01:17:01.760 change like an a movie, and the camera the quote 1571 01:17:01.840 --> 01:17:04.520 unquote camera will be in different positions, and it's it's 1572 01:17:04.560 --> 01:17:06.800 got voice acting. It's like the idea of a game 1573 01:17:06.920 --> 01:17:10.079 being cinematic did not exist on that level until the 1574 01:17:10.119 --> 01:17:13.279 first Metal Gear Solid. It changed everything. That level of 1575 01:17:13.439 --> 01:17:17.079 voice acting, the quality of voice acting, the story itself, 1576 01:17:17.439 --> 01:17:20.680 the gameplay. It was ambitious in a way that nothing 1577 01:17:20.880 --> 01:17:23.800 before it had been in that type of genre, and 1578 01:17:24.000 --> 01:17:26.680 I think it changed. Like we're talking about storytelling, you know. 1579 01:17:26.720 --> 01:17:28.359 I brought up the storytelling in Witcher three and the 1580 01:17:28.439 --> 01:17:29.119 narrative and stuff. 1581 01:17:29.560 --> 01:17:30.039 It's great. 1582 01:17:30.520 --> 01:17:35.560 Metal Gear Solid laid the groundwork for modern cinematic video 1583 01:17:35.640 --> 01:17:36.479 game experiences. 1584 01:17:36.760 --> 01:17:37.239 I agree. 1585 01:17:37.359 --> 01:17:40.359 Metal Gear walked so that Witcher three could run, and 1586 01:17:40.479 --> 01:17:41.159 it really. 1587 01:17:41.199 --> 01:17:45.399 Metal Gear walks so Witcher three could jump in a 1588 01:17:45.479 --> 01:17:46.239 jet and fly. 1589 01:17:46.720 --> 01:17:48.520 Like it's true, Dan, I. 1590 01:17:50.119 --> 01:17:51.359 I I love Metal Gear Solid. 1591 01:17:51.399 --> 01:17:53.199 The first one I used to I used to say 1592 01:17:53.239 --> 01:17:56.479 the games were in this ascending order, my favorite. So 1593 01:17:56.640 --> 01:17:58.439 one was my favorite, and then two and then three. 1594 01:17:58.520 --> 01:18:01.319 But that's all changed. Like, I think you're under selling 1595 01:18:01.399 --> 01:18:03.720 a bit how impact. I know you said the Witcher 1596 01:18:03.800 --> 01:18:07.079 was impactful, but like I don't, I really don't care anymore. 1597 01:18:07.119 --> 01:18:08.840 If a game is like a movie, I get what 1598 01:18:08.920 --> 01:18:13.439 you're saying. The presentation was such that he was Kojima, 1599 01:18:13.479 --> 01:18:15.840 who has basically just always wanted to be a movie director, 1600 01:18:17.279 --> 01:18:19.960 was making a game to look more cinematic, to be 1601 01:18:20.079 --> 01:18:24.119 more immersive for the player. Presentation wise, Witcher three was 1602 01:18:24.159 --> 01:18:26.159 not concerned with seeming like a movie. It wanted to 1603 01:18:26.239 --> 01:18:28.199 be a really fucking good role playing game where you're 1604 01:18:28.199 --> 01:18:28.920 immersing the world. 1605 01:18:29.239 --> 01:18:32.199 Yeah, it's a really good fucking video game. You know 1606 01:18:32.399 --> 01:18:33.720 the debate we're having. 1607 01:18:36.720 --> 01:18:40.000 Uh yeah, no, Witchard three. 1608 01:18:40.159 --> 01:18:44.119 Like like you say, like there's there's some side quests 1609 01:18:44.119 --> 01:18:46.079 that were interesting, but like other games are doing that 1610 01:18:46.319 --> 01:18:50.119 they for you might know, Your Solid absolutely did things 1611 01:18:50.199 --> 01:18:52.800 before a lot of other games, any other game did things. 1612 01:18:53.920 --> 01:18:57.319 But Witcher three did the thing that every other video 1613 01:18:57.399 --> 01:18:59.279 game up until then was trying to do. And it's like, 1614 01:18:59.359 --> 01:19:01.600 here's how you do it. And I think other games 1615 01:19:01.640 --> 01:19:03.880 since have been better in terms. 1616 01:19:03.720 --> 01:19:04.800 Of open world RPGs. 1617 01:19:05.279 --> 01:19:09.159 But yeah, which your three, the scale, the quality of 1618 01:19:09.199 --> 01:19:13.520 its writing, characterization, the choices you can make, the world itself, 1619 01:19:13.600 --> 01:19:16.680 the design, how they how alive it feels when you're 1620 01:19:16.680 --> 01:19:19.079 just moving through it. It's apples and oranges, open world 1621 01:19:19.159 --> 01:19:25.039 versus very confined, meticulous space. Also, someone who came to 1622 01:19:25.039 --> 01:19:28.680 meddle Your Solid in like two thousand and twelve for 1623 01:19:28.760 --> 01:19:30.680 the first time. I think the controls had already really 1624 01:19:30.720 --> 01:19:31.760 aged out by then. 1625 01:19:32.279 --> 01:19:35.359 I'm not denying that, And it's not about which one 1626 01:19:35.399 --> 01:19:36.640 has aged better, because. 1627 01:19:36.439 --> 01:19:40.560 That's right, that fairly Okay, Sure, I rescind that small 1628 01:19:40.600 --> 01:19:41.760 part of what I just said, then. 1629 01:19:43.479 --> 01:19:46.840 Will strike the last sentence from your incredible statement. 1630 01:19:46.960 --> 01:19:49.800 Jay cut that I feel like it's like we're comparing 1631 01:19:49.880 --> 01:19:53.680 like Meddle their Solid is apocalypse now compared. 1632 01:19:53.359 --> 01:19:57.680 To like I understand. That's what's that's what's fucked about 1633 01:19:57.720 --> 01:19:59.920 this this format, and that's why it hurts. 1634 01:20:01.439 --> 01:20:03.600 That's why it hurts so much. 1635 01:20:03.680 --> 01:20:07.720 Wait, what's Dragonheart? It was this bad CG Dragon. I 1636 01:20:07.800 --> 01:20:09.159 think Sean Connery was the voice. 1637 01:20:09.359 --> 01:20:10.680 It's they shared a heart one. 1638 01:20:10.960 --> 01:20:13.760 No one's like Dragon Heart sucks ass. But it's just like, look, 1639 01:20:14.039 --> 01:20:16.159 which I do not do the thing where I diminish 1640 01:20:16.800 --> 01:20:18.640 the Witcher. I don't love the Witcher. 1641 01:20:18.840 --> 01:20:19.279 You can't. 1642 01:20:19.920 --> 01:20:21.720 Yeah, it doesn't. It does not need your approval. 1643 01:20:22.279 --> 01:20:24.880 I know, I know, but it's just it cannot be 1644 01:20:25.039 --> 01:20:31.079 overstated how much of a monumental moment for the medium 1645 01:20:31.800 --> 01:20:34.119 that metal year Solid in nineteen ninety eight was the 1646 01:20:34.199 --> 01:20:37.720 Witcher three is very fucking good, and it improved upon 1647 01:20:37.800 --> 01:20:39.800 the things Witcher one and two did, but it was 1648 01:20:40.039 --> 01:20:42.760 nothing on the level like I mean, Metal Your Solid 1649 01:20:42.800 --> 01:20:46.199 one was like Mario sixty four levels of like everything's 1650 01:20:46.279 --> 01:20:48.600 different now because we didn't know it was possible. 1651 01:20:48.720 --> 01:20:52.119 Are you talking about? Three had an entire micro game 1652 01:20:52.199 --> 01:20:55.159 within it that became its own game as a result 1653 01:20:55.199 --> 01:20:57.479 of it, people didn't like put money games and became 1654 01:20:58.039 --> 01:20:58.520 outside of it. 1655 01:20:58.640 --> 01:21:02.640 That shit. That's I'm talking like changing shit. 1656 01:21:04.880 --> 01:21:07.560 I what was what did Minecraft go up against? 1657 01:21:08.840 --> 01:21:09.000 Dan? 1658 01:21:09.039 --> 01:21:11.399 You're doing a thing you do where you tell Mary 1659 01:21:11.479 --> 01:21:13.319 that an argument is not valid because we're trying to 1660 01:21:13.359 --> 01:21:15.920 get our favorite game are what we think is the 1661 01:21:15.960 --> 01:21:16.520 best game. 1662 01:21:16.680 --> 01:21:19.760 Mine versus Metal Gear Solid three Sneak Eater. 1663 01:21:19.800 --> 01:21:22.279 We're talking about impact, like Mary talked about Minecraft impact 1664 01:21:22.279 --> 01:21:23.760 and we kind of like shoot that away. 1665 01:21:24.039 --> 01:21:26.680 I'm also like, I'm not saying just on the industry. 1666 01:21:26.880 --> 01:21:29.920 I am saying I'm also extrapolating that to be impact 1667 01:21:30.000 --> 01:21:33.279 on me as a gamer at that time, and we've taken. 1668 01:21:33.119 --> 01:21:36.520 That into account as we've decided that it's not as important. 1669 01:21:37.279 --> 01:21:41.039 Oh, I think I think Metal Your Solid was. If 1670 01:21:41.079 --> 01:21:45.680 we're arguing what's more important it's tough, metal gear solid 1671 01:21:45.680 --> 01:21:47.439 I think is more important for video games. Yeah, I'll 1672 01:21:47.479 --> 01:21:47.880 give them that. 1673 01:21:48.760 --> 01:21:51.720 I agree, I think I think it's a very monumental one. 1674 01:21:51.760 --> 01:21:55.359 I think that the Witcher three is just an incredible experience. 1675 01:21:55.359 --> 01:21:57.640 And he's also talking about like how cinematic it is. 1676 01:21:58.119 --> 01:22:01.439 I mean, do you remember this nomadic cut scenes in 1677 01:22:01.600 --> 01:22:04.119 which Er three after you had just like killed so 1678 01:22:04.319 --> 01:22:06.600 many people and then you sat down and heard someone 1679 01:22:06.760 --> 01:22:09.880 sing a very sad song and how much it made 1680 01:22:09.920 --> 01:22:12.640 people feel in that moment, and then you got to 1681 01:22:12.800 --> 01:22:15.279 dead a sick lady. I mean, that game gave you 1682 01:22:15.439 --> 01:22:16.520 all the emotions. 1683 01:22:16.680 --> 01:22:17.560 It was like a movie. 1684 01:22:18.039 --> 01:22:20.840 Shoot sniper Wolf in the face while ancon watched and cried. 1685 01:22:21.560 --> 01:22:26.159 Otocon's a little puss, but like he's supposed to be. Yeah, 1686 01:22:27.000 --> 01:22:30.159 I honestly this is hurting me more than I'm letting on. 1687 01:22:30.279 --> 01:22:33.319 I'm just enjoying poking Dan in the ribs because mental 1688 01:22:33.359 --> 01:22:35.079 YOURSELD is incredible and it's important. 1689 01:22:35.159 --> 01:22:37.680 It absolutely changed things. I was not around when it did, 1690 01:22:37.760 --> 01:22:40.600 but I understand in the context of video game history 1691 01:22:40.640 --> 01:22:41.039 how it did. 1692 01:22:42.760 --> 01:22:46.079 Uh, it's apples and origes. In the sense of what 1693 01:22:46.159 --> 01:22:48.479 I said earlier, one impacted things coming after it. One 1694 01:22:48.560 --> 01:22:52.600 did everything better than everything Buddy had been trying to do. Sure, 1695 01:22:52.920 --> 01:22:57.159 I don't know. Personally, I don't know. I honestly don't 1696 01:22:57.159 --> 01:23:00.279 know which I value more. I will just say the 1697 01:23:00.399 --> 01:23:03.800 overall response I had to the Witcher three, which I 1698 01:23:03.840 --> 01:23:06.520 played at the time it came out, So again, it's. 1699 01:23:06.359 --> 01:23:07.680 Hard for me to compare it to Meddle. Your Solid 1700 01:23:08.640 --> 01:23:11.520 was more profound in many ways. 1701 01:23:12.119 --> 01:23:14.760 I will say this, my first time playing Middle Year 1702 01:23:14.840 --> 01:23:20.720 Solid is probably, no joke, the most memorable and impactful 1703 01:23:20.960 --> 01:23:21.399 moment I. 1704 01:23:21.479 --> 01:23:25.119 Have ever had playing video games. That's how strongly I 1705 01:23:25.199 --> 01:23:25.680 feel about it. 1706 01:23:25.760 --> 01:23:27.079 Like there are a lot of games that I played 1707 01:23:27.079 --> 01:23:28.880 and it's like, Wow, this immediately feels really good. 1708 01:23:29.039 --> 01:23:30.680 Wow, I fucking love this game. This is great. 1709 01:23:30.920 --> 01:23:35.000 Meddle Year Solid is the number one as far as 1710 01:23:35.039 --> 01:23:39.800 like impactful moments on my life in a game that's nice. 1711 01:23:40.239 --> 01:23:42.279 I appreciate it so nice. 1712 01:23:42.319 --> 01:23:44.000 I would say the same thing to Mary, like, if 1713 01:23:44.000 --> 01:23:45.520 you're trying to sway me, I don't give a shit 1714 01:23:45.600 --> 01:23:48.560 what something meant to you personally. For the record, yeah, 1715 01:23:49.000 --> 01:23:52.039 I'm not poopooing your experience. I have X com two 1716 01:23:52.079 --> 01:23:54.640 experiences that I like, you could easily tell me, like 1717 01:23:54.680 --> 01:23:55.039 shut up. 1718 01:23:55.079 --> 01:23:58.119 That's the part of this format, is I truly like 1719 01:23:58.239 --> 01:23:58.640 the more I. 1720 01:23:58.680 --> 01:24:03.840 Think about it, the more I'm second guessing because I autely. 1721 01:24:03.399 --> 01:24:07.319 Like h I mean, ultimately, I do think it is 1722 01:24:07.359 --> 01:24:09.399 going to come down to Mike here, because, like you know, I. 1723 01:24:09.520 --> 01:24:12.640 Agree, I just want to express like a little bit, 1724 01:24:12.720 --> 01:24:15.920 because there was a lot of heavy push for metal gear, 1725 01:24:16.079 --> 01:24:18.680 and I just want to express like the vastness of 1726 01:24:18.800 --> 01:24:22.039 the world of the Witcher three, the Wild Hunt, and 1727 01:24:22.399 --> 01:24:26.560 how much fun each individual space is. In that game, 1728 01:24:26.800 --> 01:24:29.680 you were working with kings and you were discovering that 1729 01:24:29.760 --> 01:24:31.680 they were like pieces of shit, and you were like 1730 01:24:32.119 --> 01:24:34.960 solving crimes and people were getting killed by these like 1731 01:24:35.479 --> 01:24:39.760 crazy monsters in bogs, and you got to like find 1732 01:24:40.079 --> 01:24:42.079 lots and lots all the side quests that you got 1733 01:24:42.119 --> 01:24:44.680 to do in Witcher three where you were finding out 1734 01:24:44.680 --> 01:24:47.279 all these different people that needed you, and you were 1735 01:24:47.359 --> 01:24:49.800 just like ultimately the badass dude that came in there 1736 01:24:49.880 --> 01:24:54.359 and solved those crimes. Sometimes the people who hired you 1737 01:24:54.479 --> 01:24:56.319 were actually the bad person, and you got to kind 1738 01:24:56.359 --> 01:24:59.520 of discover that and figure it out. The storytelling, the 1739 01:24:59.600 --> 01:25:04.319 immergi siveness of that environment. Oh Man, the fucking game 1740 01:25:04.479 --> 01:25:08.359 system of having two swords and building up your play style, 1741 01:25:08.439 --> 01:25:10.159 and you were like, I need to have this exact 1742 01:25:10.600 --> 01:25:14.199 different spice concoction before I can take on this rock monster, 1743 01:25:14.640 --> 01:25:18.239 which was so dope the first time you experienced those 1744 01:25:18.439 --> 01:25:22.399 giant tree bosses or those rock monsters. I mean just 1745 01:25:22.560 --> 01:25:25.239 so many moments where you would actually say out loud, 1746 01:25:25.279 --> 01:25:29.920 that's sick. I cannot believe this happened. The Roach travel system, 1747 01:25:30.359 --> 01:25:33.479 and you would often not even like fast travel. You 1748 01:25:33.520 --> 01:25:36.239 would just let Roach run and the music would turn 1749 01:25:36.359 --> 01:25:38.279 up and you would vibe to the fact that you 1750 01:25:38.640 --> 01:25:41.800 were the Witcher. Role playing is the Witcher was so 1751 01:25:42.760 --> 01:25:47.239 much fun. God damn, that's such a solid game. And like, 1752 01:25:47.279 --> 01:25:48.399 when I think back on it. 1753 01:25:48.720 --> 01:25:49.079 I don't. 1754 01:25:49.760 --> 01:25:52.560 I don't think there's any right answer for me because 1755 01:25:52.600 --> 01:25:53.039 I wasn't. 1756 01:25:53.640 --> 01:25:55.359 I will say if I was, if I was there, 1757 01:25:56.000 --> 01:25:58.720 what year was this ninety eight? 1758 01:25:59.119 --> 01:25:59.760 If I was there in. 1759 01:25:59.800 --> 01:26:01.640 Ny eight fucking. 1760 01:26:02.840 --> 01:26:07.680 Swirling a Surrah when Psychomantis like fucking read my memory card, 1761 01:26:08.319 --> 01:26:11.319 I would have fucking shipped my high brow pants. 1762 01:26:11.920 --> 01:26:14.279 Yeah, and when you have to unplug the control, it's 1763 01:26:14.279 --> 01:26:16.039 impossible all time. 1764 01:26:16.239 --> 01:26:17.800 Let me say this too, is that as good as 1765 01:26:17.840 --> 01:26:20.520 the Witcher is that everything it's doing, it is a 1766 01:26:20.680 --> 01:26:23.720 matter of it refining and improving a lot of things 1767 01:26:23.920 --> 01:26:29.159 to a certain degree. Like, but the leap from things 1768 01:26:29.239 --> 01:26:32.039 in that genre before it to the Witcher three is 1769 01:26:32.399 --> 01:26:36.720 nowhere fucking near the leap between what came before Metal 1770 01:26:36.760 --> 01:26:37.960 Year and Metal Year. 1771 01:26:38.119 --> 01:26:40.279 Sure, but I would still say Apocalypse Now is a 1772 01:26:40.359 --> 01:26:41.880 better movie than Citizen Kane. 1773 01:26:41.920 --> 01:26:42.640 I'm sorry to say. 1774 01:26:42.800 --> 01:26:45.000 Yeah, So that's that's what I'm saying. I still think, 1775 01:26:47.159 --> 01:26:49.119 like sitting in a vacuum. 1776 01:26:52.319 --> 01:26:55.600 Man, Apocalypse Now is such a fucking sick film. Sweet 1777 01:26:55.880 --> 01:26:57.600 Ultimately we all agree Apocalypse. 1778 01:26:57.840 --> 01:27:00.119 It's also like it's also we're doing like a U 1779 01:27:01.119 --> 01:27:04.000 Magic Johnson versus Steph Curry thing here. There's a there's 1780 01:27:04.039 --> 01:27:07.319 probably a more clear answer there, but like it's different 1781 01:27:07.399 --> 01:27:10.880 eras times like the impact of one can be outweighed 1782 01:27:10.880 --> 01:27:14.000 by just the sheer quality other. I do think I 1783 01:27:14.079 --> 01:27:15.359 have to give it to the Witcher three, though I 1784 01:27:15.439 --> 01:27:18.880 do think it's a better game, even even though Metal 1785 01:27:18.920 --> 01:27:22.239 Gear Solid absolutely deserves It's it's. 1786 01:27:22.960 --> 01:27:27.239 The brackets spoken. The Witcher three Wild Hunt knocks out 1787 01:27:27.319 --> 01:27:31.319 Metal Gear Solid into the loser bracket Submit score. 1788 01:27:31.479 --> 01:27:33.439 Why couldn't that have been temperious. I kind of don't 1789 01:27:33.560 --> 01:27:35.800 like Witcher three. Couldn't it have been something I really love? 1790 01:27:38.359 --> 01:27:38.560 Wait? 1791 01:27:38.560 --> 01:27:40.399 Wait wait wait, wait couldn't couldn't What do you mean? 1792 01:27:40.920 --> 01:27:44.279 Couldn't there something I had to take out fucking metal 1793 01:27:44.319 --> 01:27:47.159 gear in the first round, something I liked a lot. 1794 01:27:47.479 --> 01:27:48.720 I kind of don't like what three. 1795 01:27:49.079 --> 01:27:52.239 I know, I know, after the seventh hour of chasing 1796 01:27:52.319 --> 01:27:54.079 fucking flower pants around the continent. 1797 01:27:55.479 --> 01:27:58.600 Whatever the dandelion flower, you got it right when you 1798 01:27:58.680 --> 01:28:01.159 actually thought on yes, thought about it for two seconds. 1799 01:28:01.159 --> 01:28:01.640 You got it right. 1800 01:28:02.720 --> 01:28:05.039 All right, I'm gonna go to the bathroom and. 1801 01:28:06.640 --> 01:28:09.239 We'll be back. Ye, I calling you, Michael. 1802 01:28:09.279 --> 01:28:11.920 Now, I know that's what you have done that, Michael Moore. 1803 01:28:11.960 --> 01:28:13.359 Amanda does it and I think it's funny. 1804 01:28:13.520 --> 01:28:15.039 Yeah, does she does it with love? 1805 01:28:15.079 --> 01:28:16.640 I kind of do it like a bit of a spice. 1806 01:28:16.640 --> 01:28:18.359 And yeah, you're Michael, you do it. 1807 01:28:18.640 --> 01:28:19.800 You take out the trash man. 1808 01:28:21.640 --> 01:28:25.319 Coming back to you, Sexy Hark and oh the fires 1809 01:28:25.960 --> 01:28:30.800 sixty Hark all times just got fucking walloped by the 1810 01:28:30.920 --> 01:28:31.439 Witcher three. 1811 01:28:32.399 --> 01:28:35.720 Turns out we made the right choice there. I don't know. 1812 01:28:36.760 --> 01:28:40.119 I just involuntarily shivered when you said that. I'm not kidding. 1813 01:28:40.159 --> 01:28:43.119 My body rejected that. Oh, Dan and Ben Hans are 1814 01:28:43.119 --> 01:28:48.000 gonna be so disappointed. I'm just shouting out, Ben, You're 1815 01:28:48.159 --> 01:28:49.439 just both wrong. Hands. 1816 01:28:49.600 --> 01:28:52.439 Hanson's face flashed through my head when I went on 1817 01:28:52.520 --> 01:28:54.039 the break, because, like, I feel like he's gonna be 1818 01:28:54.119 --> 01:28:54.840 really pissed at us. 1819 01:28:54.880 --> 01:28:56.439 First, he loves Memory. I don't know how he feels 1820 01:28:56.439 --> 01:28:58.000 about Winter, but I know. 1821 01:28:59.520 --> 01:29:01.960 But he's also a like, really really knowledgeable video game 1822 01:29:02.079 --> 01:29:05.439 history so I feel like he's going to be I think, yeah, 1823 01:29:05.439 --> 01:29:05.960 I agreed. 1824 01:29:06.439 --> 01:29:10.319 Anyway, it's not a video game history bracket. It's Fire 1825 01:29:10.520 --> 01:29:14.000 Escapes Best Game of All Time bracket. And as we 1826 01:29:14.199 --> 01:29:17.640 just mentioned, metal Gear Solid was just removed in round 1827 01:29:17.760 --> 01:29:22.880 one by the Witcher three Wild Hunt. Our next matchup 1828 01:29:25.039 --> 01:29:31.000 the Legend of Zelda Linked to the Past. This versus 1829 01:29:31.560 --> 01:29:33.439 say something stupid Skyrim. 1830 01:29:34.119 --> 01:29:37.079 Oh we're cool? Are we cool? 1831 01:29:37.199 --> 01:29:37.359 Yeah? 1832 01:29:37.680 --> 01:29:44.800 Are we cool? I have a lot of good things 1833 01:29:44.800 --> 01:29:46.399 to say about Skyrim. 1834 01:29:48.239 --> 01:29:51.640 Link to the Past is it's. 1835 01:29:51.000 --> 01:29:52.920 Also, I don't I don't think we need to expound 1836 01:29:52.960 --> 01:29:53.920 on what makes Skyrim great. 1837 01:29:53.960 --> 01:29:54.600 It's a great game. 1838 01:29:54.800 --> 01:29:57.680 It's it's incredible. People keep buying it because it holds up. 1839 01:29:57.880 --> 01:30:00.000 But like Link to the Past is one. 1840 01:29:59.880 --> 01:30:01.880 Of if I lost metal years solid at the link 1841 01:30:01.920 --> 01:30:03.640 of the Past back to back, I'm just quitting the. 1842 01:30:04.039 --> 01:30:07.600 You made it one hundred I can't talk to you 1843 01:30:07.720 --> 01:30:11.880 to Yeah, the Past is just one of the most 1844 01:30:12.159 --> 01:30:19.119 well designed things ever game or otherwise. Yeah, Dan's I 1845 01:30:19.199 --> 01:30:21.640 feel like all of Dan's games get mentioned first. 1846 01:30:22.560 --> 01:30:23.640 So then he's like, it's. 1847 01:30:23.600 --> 01:30:28.159 Random, random, can't and some of these I do think 1848 01:30:29.159 --> 01:30:32.399 some of them coming up. I do think like you'll 1849 01:30:32.520 --> 01:30:35.840 see some of his second So it does, it does happen, 1850 01:30:36.000 --> 01:30:38.279 but yeah, it's just so, it just so happens that 1851 01:30:38.359 --> 01:30:39.720 all of his weird ones have been first. 1852 01:30:39.760 --> 01:30:40.000 So far. 1853 01:30:40.319 --> 01:30:45.760 We're next time Solids, my weird niche Chase. 1854 01:30:46.039 --> 01:30:47.039 Now I'm just old. 1855 01:30:48.560 --> 01:30:50.760 Yeah, we've got different eras. 1856 01:30:50.840 --> 01:30:53.319 This would not be a Shakespeast at Cloud. 1857 01:30:53.640 --> 01:30:58.199 I feel like we did represent some like different generations 1858 01:30:58.199 --> 01:30:58.880 of gamer here. 1859 01:30:59.239 --> 01:31:03.520 Yeah, we have for like a well and for the record, 1860 01:31:03.720 --> 01:31:07.399 like a lot of these like additional games to get 1861 01:31:07.479 --> 01:31:09.760 us a bit more full circle were ones I came 1862 01:31:09.880 --> 01:31:12.800 up with which I was like, well, we have to have. Well, 1863 01:31:13.640 --> 01:31:15.600 it'll be weird if we didn't, right, I think it'll 1864 01:31:15.640 --> 01:31:17.359 be weird if we didn't have. And a lot of 1865 01:31:17.399 --> 01:31:19.520 the weird niche indie ones that will come up. I 1866 01:31:19.640 --> 01:31:23.119 also know we'll probably not survive, so like, I will 1867 01:31:23.159 --> 01:31:25.880 see how we go. But it was an honor to 1868 01:31:25.920 --> 01:31:27.399 get started through the first round. 1869 01:31:27.800 --> 01:31:29.760 It's so weird though, because it's like, yeah, we are 1870 01:31:29.960 --> 01:31:33.199 kind of from slightly different you know, age right, Yeah, 1871 01:31:33.279 --> 01:31:36.039 but also we have wildly different tastes in games, so 1872 01:31:36.159 --> 01:31:37.800 this is just a crazy Yeah. 1873 01:31:37.840 --> 01:31:39.359 Sure, I don't mean to paint it like I'm like 1874 01:31:39.520 --> 01:31:41.600 twenty years younger than you. I think I just came up, 1875 01:31:42.319 --> 01:31:44.319 bab I came up at a time. I'm kind of 1876 01:31:44.479 --> 01:31:47.079 envious that. Again, you were there for shit like metal. 1877 01:31:47.119 --> 01:31:47.600 You're solid. 1878 01:31:47.760 --> 01:31:49.600 I mean I was seven. I wouldn't have gotten that 1879 01:31:49.720 --> 01:31:53.000 when I was seven. Like I also wouldn't have been allowed. 1880 01:31:52.840 --> 01:31:54.439 To pl your parents were really cool. 1881 01:31:54.640 --> 01:31:56.920 Yeah yeah no, I mean gotten it, understood it, or yes, 1882 01:31:57.000 --> 01:31:59.960 been allowed to play it. But like but I yeah, yeah, 1883 01:32:00.520 --> 01:32:01.279 you get what I'm saying. 1884 01:32:01.279 --> 01:32:03.399 It was a good times I was born. 1885 01:32:03.880 --> 01:32:05.159 It's a really fucking good time. 1886 01:32:05.920 --> 01:32:12.880 Our next game matchup is Rainbow six Rogue Spear Versus 1887 01:32:13.760 --> 01:32:14.920 had half Life two. 1888 01:32:16.000 --> 01:32:21.039 Ah, that's fine, put half Life through. 1889 01:32:21.279 --> 01:32:23.359 I had I had half Life on my listen, those 1890 01:32:23.359 --> 01:32:25.239 are both mine, But I know Mary had Half Life 1891 01:32:25.239 --> 01:32:25.840 at number one. 1892 01:32:26.840 --> 01:32:30.079 I mean half Life is like, it's the second message monumental, 1893 01:32:32.159 --> 01:32:32.680 is it the first? 1894 01:32:32.800 --> 01:32:34.760 Is it the Is this still the best first person shooter? 1895 01:32:35.720 --> 01:32:35.880 Mm? 1896 01:32:38.119 --> 01:32:42.439 It's between that Halo one for me. I don't need 1897 01:32:42.479 --> 01:32:43.239 to get into the whole list. 1898 01:32:44.439 --> 01:32:47.039 Yeah, Rainbow Rogue Spear is still like the peak of 1899 01:32:47.119 --> 01:32:51.000 the previous era of Rainbow six where you're actually planning 1900 01:32:51.039 --> 01:32:56.279 out these incredibly tense, complex tactical insertions with different team members, 1901 01:32:56.359 --> 01:32:58.199 and that game still does not get enough love for 1902 01:32:59.039 --> 01:33:02.560 how new it's systems were in terms of planning, how 1903 01:33:02.600 --> 01:33:04.760 you can have four squads of AI, the AI for 1904 01:33:04.960 --> 01:33:07.079 your co op teammates or not even co op your 1905 01:33:07.079 --> 01:33:10.119 teammates was incredible, some awesome maps for terrorist un and 1906 01:33:10.319 --> 01:33:14.119 for single player varied objectives just all around, probably the 1907 01:33:14.159 --> 01:33:17.439 best like spec ops type game ever before it went 1908 01:33:18.000 --> 01:33:21.520 to the Siege era, which I absolutely love. But uh yeah, 1909 01:33:21.640 --> 01:33:23.560 Rokeespier is one of my favorite games of all time, 1910 01:33:23.600 --> 01:33:26.079 and I have fond memories playing with my brothers. But 1911 01:33:26.760 --> 01:33:30.399 now Half Life two is maybe still the best shooter. 1912 01:33:30.199 --> 01:33:30.600 Of all time. 1913 01:33:32.319 --> 01:33:33.560 Maybe it's gotta be half Life. 1914 01:33:33.840 --> 01:33:35.279 Take that with the greatest seal because I can't think 1915 01:33:35.279 --> 01:33:35.399 of it. 1916 01:33:35.479 --> 01:33:38.079 It's gotta be. But yeah, I have a lot of 1917 01:33:38.119 --> 01:33:41.520 good memories playing Rainbow six. I actually don't think I played. 1918 01:33:41.560 --> 01:33:42.319 I played Siege. 1919 01:33:42.359 --> 01:33:42.720 I think. 1920 01:33:45.199 --> 01:33:46.600 First to say this one was kind of my like 1921 01:33:46.760 --> 01:33:49.000 cool guy, I vote, like, oh this is my off 1922 01:33:49.079 --> 01:33:49.560 the radar. 1923 01:33:50.479 --> 01:33:52.720 Fuck I suck sometimes. 1924 01:33:53.119 --> 01:33:55.840 Yeah, Okay, you went for the underdog and it went 1925 01:33:55.920 --> 01:33:58.239 up against Half Life two and now it's dead. So 1926 01:33:58.399 --> 01:34:01.279 I hope you're happy with yourself. Half Life to win 1927 01:34:01.840 --> 01:34:05.840 against Rainbow six Rogue Cheddar, and now we are on 1928 01:34:06.119 --> 01:34:11.680 to our next matchup. It's just a weird name. Spear. 1929 01:34:13.000 --> 01:34:17.880 It's a weapon, but it's rogue, but it's but it's 1930 01:34:18.079 --> 01:34:20.560 a dewey star. Yeah, it's a rogue spear. 1931 01:34:22.000 --> 01:34:27.520 I find that a strange name. Our next matchup is 1932 01:34:27.640 --> 01:34:28.920 I don't have any response. 1933 01:34:29.199 --> 01:34:29.479 It's not. 1934 01:34:31.119 --> 01:34:35.920 Fairly common couple. That's what military operations to do. 1935 01:34:36.079 --> 01:34:36.600 They take two. 1936 01:34:36.800 --> 01:34:38.359 It's like modern cocktail bars. 1937 01:34:38.399 --> 01:34:41.000 It's like, oh, Gurney and sons, Like they just combined 1938 01:34:41.000 --> 01:34:43.239 two random unrelated. 1939 01:34:42.600 --> 01:34:46.159 Nouns Rainbow six, Gurnie and sons. 1940 01:34:46.680 --> 01:34:50.760 Yeah, like as every new restaurant in New York or 1941 01:34:50.840 --> 01:34:54.560 bar is like two words that make no sense together, Wolf. 1942 01:34:54.399 --> 01:34:55.359 And tenor. 1943 01:34:56.720 --> 01:34:58.239 Uncharted Tonic. 1944 01:34:58.640 --> 01:35:00.520 Yes, that's my second favorite charged game. 1945 01:35:04.840 --> 01:35:14.079 The next next matchup, Fallout three versus Divinity Original. 1946 01:35:13.720 --> 01:35:22.520 Sin To, This is going to be completely divinity. 1947 01:35:23.960 --> 01:35:26.239 I feel like I have the most where I have 1948 01:35:28.159 --> 01:35:32.840 what's the what's the horse in both races? But like 1949 01:35:33.079 --> 01:35:35.760 I know, Mary's divinity Original sin To. Absolutely she never 1950 01:35:35.800 --> 01:35:37.800 shuts up about it. I absolutely adore that game. 1951 01:35:38.079 --> 01:35:41.359 But Fallout three is my favorite, one of my favorite 1952 01:35:41.399 --> 01:35:42.159 open world games. 1953 01:35:42.359 --> 01:35:43.079 Let's let's do it. 1954 01:35:43.279 --> 01:35:45.239 Go somebody, Mary. 1955 01:35:45.439 --> 01:35:48.960 I don't even know what the divinity really is serious 1956 01:35:50.199 --> 01:35:51.800 Larry previous game. 1957 01:35:52.640 --> 01:35:55.279 I'm sure it's Larry Studios game before balters Gate three. 1958 01:35:55.319 --> 01:35:56.119 It's one of the best. 1959 01:35:59.520 --> 01:36:03.960 Jesus Divinity Original Sin Too really paved the way for 1960 01:36:06.000 --> 01:36:11.720 RPG storytelling. You're basically like on this Sick Journey. You 1961 01:36:11.800 --> 01:36:14.520 can play it with friends, you can also play this solo. 1962 01:36:14.840 --> 01:36:17.760 The storytelling and dynamics at play here so that when 1963 01:36:17.800 --> 01:36:21.239 you meet a character and you tell them that they're 1964 01:36:21.239 --> 01:36:23.279 a really good thief, they can come back later and 1965 01:36:23.439 --> 01:36:26.319 rob you. I mean, you are building people over time 1966 01:36:27.000 --> 01:36:30.800 that will impact hours and hours and hours later. Down 1967 01:36:30.880 --> 01:36:32.880 in this game, and you put a lot of time 1968 01:36:33.079 --> 01:36:36.199 into building these characters and watching them develop and interact 1969 01:36:36.239 --> 01:36:39.199 with the world, and you are truly actually developing the 1970 01:36:39.239 --> 01:36:42.880 world as you play Divinity Original Sin. The amount of 1971 01:36:42.960 --> 01:36:47.239 different types of characters you can play as. Whether you 1972 01:36:47.359 --> 01:36:49.840 want to be a rogue or you want to be 1973 01:36:50.239 --> 01:36:53.760 a witch that does massive AoE spells, it's the world 1974 01:36:53.920 --> 01:36:57.039 is your oyster, and so being able to play around 1975 01:36:57.079 --> 01:36:59.640 with the environment, do environmental based kills. This is all 1976 01:36:59.680 --> 01:37:01.760 turned combat, so you get to kind of really think 1977 01:37:02.039 --> 01:37:05.079 and strategize about how you want to kill your opponents. 1978 01:37:06.119 --> 01:37:11.000 It's methodical and it's extraordinarily intricate. It's crazy the things 1979 01:37:11.039 --> 01:37:12.960 that you can concoct. And again, this is the kind 1980 01:37:13.000 --> 01:37:16.439 of stuff that like made boulders Gate is infamous as 1981 01:37:16.520 --> 01:37:18.800 it is. But I actually the reason I put Divinity 1982 01:37:18.840 --> 01:37:21.199 Original Sin in here is because I just think for 1983 01:37:21.399 --> 01:37:25.439 me personally, Divinity was all about that world building and 1984 01:37:25.560 --> 01:37:29.640 that stunning storytelling that allows you to say, I am 1985 01:37:29.720 --> 01:37:32.199 a witch with a heart of gold. I work hand 1986 01:37:32.279 --> 01:37:36.880 in hand with my sorceress friend and we play lone 1987 01:37:36.920 --> 01:37:39.920 wolf style and we just kind of burn the house 1988 01:37:40.000 --> 01:37:44.960 down in our way. Well, so in Divinity Original Sin, 1989 01:37:45.199 --> 01:37:47.960 you're supposed to you're supposed to play as four people, 1990 01:37:48.680 --> 01:37:50.640 but in Lone Wolf you can play as two people 1991 01:37:50.720 --> 01:37:54.600 that get one additional skill, so it's actually a place. 1992 01:37:55.760 --> 01:37:58.720 So but lone Wolf style is like here, instead of 1993 01:37:58.720 --> 01:38:00.560 playing with a pack of four, your playing with like 1994 01:38:00.640 --> 01:38:02.920 two or less people, so that you can actually get 1995 01:38:03.000 --> 01:38:07.640 through everything in a meaningful way. Key's finding secret doors 1996 01:38:07.760 --> 01:38:09.880 and hidden passageways. I mean they were kind of like 1997 01:38:09.960 --> 01:38:12.239 this is kind of the pinnacle of that design as well. 1998 01:38:12.319 --> 01:38:15.279 So like you might you might meet someone and they'll say, 1999 01:38:15.640 --> 01:38:20.199 we got to get into this old dungeon, but we 2000 01:38:20.279 --> 01:38:23.439 can't find an entrance. There's like ten different ways to 2001 01:38:23.520 --> 01:38:26.960 get in it. So how I get into this dungeon 2002 01:38:27.159 --> 01:38:30.279 and and win will be completely different to the way 2003 01:38:30.399 --> 01:38:32.800 Mike has done it. And they're both valid and really 2004 01:38:32.880 --> 01:38:36.479 interesting and engaging ways of telling a story, and they're 2005 01:38:36.600 --> 01:38:39.439 unique to us. I might have found a key in 2006 01:38:39.520 --> 01:38:42.600 a bush because I killed like somebody and they led 2007 01:38:42.640 --> 01:38:44.479 me to this like secret X on a map, and 2008 01:38:44.520 --> 01:38:47.159 so I found this like hidden back passageway. Mike might 2009 01:38:47.199 --> 01:38:49.640 have found c Ford exploded his way into the front 2010 01:38:49.680 --> 01:38:51.920 and then killed everybody who got in his way. It's 2011 01:38:52.000 --> 01:38:56.199 so awesome how unique every person's story is in Divinity, 2012 01:38:56.279 --> 01:38:58.760 and so it's really fun not just playing Divinity, but 2013 01:38:59.159 --> 01:39:01.840 talking to each other about how they actually got through 2014 01:39:01.880 --> 01:39:04.680 the same area, how different they are. But they're all 2015 01:39:04.800 --> 01:39:07.319 really fun. And Divinity is like such a joy to play, 2016 01:39:07.399 --> 01:39:09.560 you guys, I mean it's it's it's brilliant in terms 2017 01:39:09.560 --> 01:39:12.880 of game design, how how everybody can play it differently. 2018 01:39:13.920 --> 01:39:16.399 Come out twenty seventeen, I believe. 2019 01:39:16.840 --> 01:39:18.920 Yeah, Okay, I was gonna say, this is the first 2020 01:39:18.920 --> 01:39:21.520 I've heard about it, and I was like, that's that 2021 01:39:22.079 --> 01:39:25.640 cannot be coming from Giant. The name Divinity original set, 2022 01:39:25.840 --> 01:39:29.399 I'm shocked to But that's sure whatever like that the 2023 01:39:29.479 --> 01:39:30.399 name of this game. 2024 01:39:30.840 --> 01:39:32.600 Did you think Larian just came out of nowhere with 2025 01:39:32.680 --> 01:39:33.319 Ballerskate three? 2026 01:39:33.760 --> 01:39:36.199 I literally when I went to Belgium to go to 2027 01:39:36.399 --> 01:39:38.319 Larian to cover Balder's Gate three. 2028 01:39:38.880 --> 01:39:43.960 This is somebody should miss as somebody something about like 2029 01:39:44.079 --> 01:39:45.920 you're Larian contact will be just like, what the fuck 2030 01:39:45.960 --> 01:39:47.000 is a Laryan contact? 2031 01:39:47.079 --> 01:39:49.640 And I never heard of Larryan before this. Dan, don't 2032 01:39:49.760 --> 01:39:52.359 you should cut this? No, don't. I don't have anything. 2033 01:39:52.720 --> 01:39:54.680 It's just I don't know this is not not. 2034 01:39:54.920 --> 01:39:57.119 Deserve what to play Baller's Gate three, and you didn't 2035 01:39:57.159 --> 01:39:58.680 things to look up what the studio has. 2036 01:39:58.600 --> 01:40:01.880 Worked on in the past. I probably would have gotten 2037 01:40:01.880 --> 01:40:04.840 around to it. You did it. We're just gonna didn't 2038 01:40:04.880 --> 01:40:07.119 get around to travelog stuff. I don't need to know 2039 01:40:07.159 --> 01:40:07.640 anything for that. 2040 01:40:07.960 --> 01:40:08.960 That's a ball gate. 2041 01:40:09.560 --> 01:40:10.479 That's beside the point. 2042 01:40:10.840 --> 01:40:14.920 Anyway, I'll be the one that goes to that. Europe. 2043 01:40:14.920 --> 01:40:17.840 They're very nice, Larry and studios. Everyone there was awesome. 2044 01:40:18.680 --> 01:40:19.039 Natun it. 2045 01:40:19.119 --> 01:40:21.920 This isn't the very nice awards. This is the fucking best. 2046 01:40:21.720 --> 01:40:25.680 Game of right, No, noreat. You can watch their head 2047 01:40:25.680 --> 01:40:26.279 to blow up and slow. 2048 01:40:26.439 --> 01:40:26.800 It's great. 2049 01:40:27.720 --> 01:40:29.560 No so followed three was my vote. 2050 01:40:29.680 --> 01:40:31.680 However, I. 2051 01:40:33.159 --> 01:40:34.640 Don't care about it as much as you care about 2052 01:40:34.680 --> 01:40:37.239 Divinity Original Sin Too. Followed three was, But I love 2053 01:40:37.319 --> 01:40:39.600 Divinity Original Sin too. I think I like Balder's Gate 2054 01:40:39.680 --> 01:40:42.399 three bit more. However, I haven't gone back to it 2055 01:40:42.479 --> 01:40:44.520 since I last played. Me and Jake were doing a 2056 01:40:44.560 --> 01:40:48.960 co op campaign. I'd be fine with Divinity Original Sin 2057 01:40:49.039 --> 01:40:52.079 Too going up. I do think Fallout three is the 2058 01:40:52.279 --> 01:40:55.960 whole conversation about Fallout three versus New Vegas gets heated. 2059 01:40:56.159 --> 01:40:57.319 I think fallow three is better. 2060 01:40:58.279 --> 01:40:58.680 I don't. 2061 01:40:59.640 --> 01:40:59.880 I like. 2062 01:41:01.479 --> 01:41:03.079 People talk about how New Vegas. 2063 01:41:02.840 --> 01:41:03.199 Can have those. 2064 01:41:03.680 --> 01:41:06.039 What divinity is? It's not that you like one better, no. 2065 01:41:07.640 --> 01:41:11.039 Better than New Vegas. Yeah, yeah, oh that's allowed it. Yes, 2066 01:41:11.880 --> 01:41:12.840 follow follow three. 2067 01:41:12.920 --> 01:41:15.119 I think I'll say this before I agree with Mary 2068 01:41:15.119 --> 01:41:18.359 about divinity originals in two. Fallout three I think was 2069 01:41:18.399 --> 01:41:22.000 really impressive. It almost had a if it wasn't for 2070 01:41:22.079 --> 01:41:25.600 the elder scrolls. Uh for Oblivion doing the open world 2071 01:41:25.920 --> 01:41:31.279 RPG really ba basically like Bethesda putting it, debuting their 2072 01:41:31.359 --> 01:41:34.279 new style of game that carried through Skyrim, Fallout for 2073 01:41:34.840 --> 01:41:38.159 New Vegas, Starfield now sort of to a lesser extent, 2074 01:41:38.359 --> 01:41:43.720 but that open world go Anywhere RPG. It took Oblivion 2075 01:41:43.760 --> 01:41:46.399 and ran with it. In this post apocalyptic sci fi 2076 01:41:46.520 --> 01:41:48.720 world where there's a fucking city built on a decrepit 2077 01:41:48.800 --> 01:41:51.760 aircraft carrier. Talk about changing the world. You can go 2078 01:41:51.880 --> 01:41:54.800 find this town built around a dodge what you think 2079 01:41:54.920 --> 01:41:57.039 is a doudgshell of a nuke stuck halfway in the ground, 2080 01:41:57.079 --> 01:41:59.760 and there's a cult worshiping it and they're radiated, and 2081 01:41:59.800 --> 01:42:01.720 they're some ghouls that got outcasts, and you start to 2082 01:42:01.840 --> 01:42:04.439 learn the fucking story about different people going in and 2083 01:42:04.479 --> 01:42:06.319 out of that town is just some of the some 2084 01:42:06.520 --> 01:42:10.119 incredible RPG writing. And then you get faced with the 2085 01:42:10.239 --> 01:42:12.439 choice of whether you want to blow it up or not. 2086 01:42:12.640 --> 01:42:14.520 Later you can change the world in that regard, and 2087 01:42:14.600 --> 01:42:17.399 then the closer you get toward like the mall and 2088 01:42:17.520 --> 01:42:18.359 the Capitol. 2089 01:42:18.039 --> 01:42:19.840 Building, the more urban it becomes. 2090 01:42:20.119 --> 01:42:23.239 It's you could spend like hours an hours scavenging out 2091 01:42:23.279 --> 01:42:26.840 in the wastes in like in Bethesda or fox Chase 2092 01:42:26.920 --> 01:42:31.039 or whatever, Chevy Chase or whatever the neighborhoods are. That 2093 01:42:31.199 --> 01:42:33.560 That's still one of my favorite open world Bethesda games. 2094 01:42:33.600 --> 01:42:35.680 But but yeah, Divinity Original Sin Too and the quality 2095 01:42:35.680 --> 01:42:41.399 of its writing and the the just sheer number of 2096 01:42:41.479 --> 01:42:45.079 things you can stumble on that have unforeseen repercussions like 2097 01:42:45.279 --> 01:42:48.720 hours later is like I would even say Larian's work 2098 01:42:48.800 --> 01:42:52.079 kind of outpaces the Witcher or CD project in that regard, 2099 01:42:52.199 --> 01:42:54.560 which is saying a lot as we've discovered. 2100 01:42:54.399 --> 01:43:00.600 So are we retconning the Metal year thing? No, I'm 2101 01:43:00.640 --> 01:43:01.800 fine with Original Sin Too. 2102 01:43:02.039 --> 01:43:03.000 Racket has spoken tan. 2103 01:43:03.279 --> 01:43:06.680 Original Sin Too and Balder's K three are probably two 2104 01:43:06.720 --> 01:43:10.319 of the the two best CRPGs ever made, and one 2105 01:43:10.399 --> 01:43:12.600 studio made both of them, which is just crazy. That's 2106 01:43:12.680 --> 01:43:14.880 neither here nor there, I guess. But yeah, Larryan makes 2107 01:43:14.960 --> 01:43:17.880 really good video games. If we did this, if we 2108 01:43:18.000 --> 01:43:20.279 did this episode in another like five years, I probably 2109 01:43:20.319 --> 01:43:23.840 put Baller's Gate three on there. Yeah, it hasn't settled yet. 2110 01:43:24.199 --> 01:43:26.920 It hasn't. I haven't actually had enough time to finish it. 2111 01:43:27.239 --> 01:43:30.479 It's just a really long experience. But I absolutely like 2112 01:43:31.319 --> 01:43:33.960 I was just so moved by Divinity by the end 2113 01:43:34.039 --> 01:43:36.760 of it, and it's just a kind of an iconic 2114 01:43:36.880 --> 01:43:41.159 part of my life I think of it. I also 2115 01:43:41.239 --> 01:43:43.279 know it's around nine years old because I was playing 2116 01:43:43.319 --> 01:43:47.520 it when I got the call that Simon needed a home, 2117 01:43:47.880 --> 01:43:50.560 and so I know that it's around that time because 2118 01:43:50.560 --> 01:43:52.520 I had all my snacks ready and I had my 2119 01:43:52.560 --> 01:43:54.079 pillows on the floor and I was getting ready to 2120 01:43:54.079 --> 01:43:56.159 play Divinity Original Sin when I got the call saying, hey, 2121 01:43:56.199 --> 01:43:59.199 can you come get them? And I said yeah, and 2122 01:43:59.279 --> 01:44:01.399 I put all my way and I got my dog instead. 2123 01:44:01.640 --> 01:44:03.439 He farted his way into your campaign. 2124 01:44:03.560 --> 01:44:04.960 Farted his way into my heart. 2125 01:44:05.920 --> 01:44:08.319 Yeah. No, diminitting Originals in two is awesome. 2126 01:44:08.640 --> 01:44:10.680 I'd fight Herder for Fallout three. I liked it a 2127 01:44:10.720 --> 01:44:12.960 lot back then. I thought the DLC, especially for that era, 2128 01:44:13.199 --> 01:44:14.319 was like, oh yeah, really really good. 2129 01:44:14.640 --> 01:44:16.960 Follow It is also I think the Maryland so beloved 2130 01:44:17.159 --> 01:44:20.279 in terms of like just globally. I thought I would lose, 2131 01:44:20.479 --> 01:44:21.159 and so I am. 2132 01:44:21.840 --> 01:44:23.479 I'm not sure how I thought. 2133 01:44:23.640 --> 01:44:25.680 I actually Fallout three is still one of my personal 2134 01:44:26.680 --> 01:44:30.439 top fifteen games of all time. I have really fond 2135 01:44:30.479 --> 01:44:33.880 memories of it. That was my first I didn't play 2136 01:44:33.880 --> 01:44:36.159 Oblivion until I played Fallout three, so that to that 2137 01:44:36.319 --> 01:44:38.039 open world. But that's that we all know what I'm 2138 01:44:38.039 --> 01:44:41.439 talking about, to literally go anywhere, spend hours wandering kind 2139 01:44:41.479 --> 01:44:43.720 of bethest open world. That was my first exposure to it. 2140 01:44:44.079 --> 01:44:46.600 I went back to Oblivion and it had already started 2141 01:44:46.640 --> 01:44:48.520 to age by then, and then by the time Skyrim 2142 01:44:48.600 --> 01:44:50.159 came out, I was, you know, in awe of that. 2143 01:44:50.439 --> 01:44:54.560 But No Divinity Originals in two was just so brilliantly engineered. 2144 01:44:55.399 --> 01:44:57.239 I think something that hurts my memory of Fallout three 2145 01:44:57.399 --> 01:44:59.640 is that I look back and it was so emblematic 2146 01:44:59.680 --> 01:45:01.560 of that period where it was just like very much 2147 01:45:01.640 --> 01:45:03.640 this like kind of monochrome thing. It was just a 2148 01:45:03.760 --> 01:45:07.479 lot of just drabby apocalypse drab stuff. Like when I 2149 01:45:07.520 --> 01:45:10.880 think back, like something on the aesthetic now is Okay, 2150 01:45:10.920 --> 01:45:12.039 it's just kind of that one note. 2151 01:45:12.199 --> 01:45:14.159 I mean it should be. It's about the apocalypse, but 2152 01:45:14.239 --> 01:45:19.560 it's apocalyptic, yeah, interspersed with all the grays and the Browns. Yeah. 2153 01:45:20.039 --> 01:45:21.760 But had a good world building too. I mean it 2154 01:45:21.920 --> 01:45:25.239 had a show made after it. I mean it's it's 2155 01:45:25.359 --> 01:45:28.000 really made its way into pop culture now and the 2156 01:45:28.079 --> 01:45:31.399 Fallout universe is quite interesting. So I think this is 2157 01:45:31.439 --> 01:45:34.079 a tough matchup, and I think that they're both just 2158 01:45:34.159 --> 01:45:36.920 really solid. So I just have to go with the 2159 01:45:36.960 --> 01:45:38.960 one that is more meaningful to me. But I think 2160 01:45:39.000 --> 01:45:43.720 they're both great games. Where are we at then? What's happening? 2161 01:45:43.960 --> 01:45:46.159 I will go to Divinity, Okay, I mean my vote 2162 01:45:46.199 --> 01:45:46.800 will go fall Out. 2163 01:45:46.800 --> 01:45:50.520 But it's fine, Okay, you are not Your heart isn't 2164 01:45:50.520 --> 01:45:51.279 broken on that one. 2165 01:45:53.119 --> 01:45:54.439 It's good, okay. Yeah. 2166 01:45:54.800 --> 01:46:02.960 Our next matchup, Splunky versus is Tony Hawk's pro Skater three. 2167 01:46:03.439 --> 01:46:08.399 Oh okay, all right, all right, look, Splunky is a 2168 01:46:08.680 --> 01:46:09.680 very good rogue light. 2169 01:46:09.880 --> 01:46:13.520 Would you be a little Splunky? It's so important, It's 2170 01:46:13.520 --> 01:46:14.960 like one of the best rogue lights. 2171 01:46:15.359 --> 01:46:15.600 Yeah. 2172 01:46:16.079 --> 01:46:18.960 I didn't play it until like five years. I want 2173 01:46:19.000 --> 01:46:20.720 to say, like, when did they come out? I didn't 2174 01:46:20.720 --> 01:46:22.399 play during the pandemic, or I didn't play it until 2175 01:46:22.399 --> 01:46:22.840 the pandemic. 2176 01:46:23.039 --> 01:46:27.439 It was during Game Spots Era, soe twenty fourteen, it 2177 01:46:27.479 --> 01:46:29.319 is going to be my guest well with my game 2178 01:46:29.399 --> 01:46:32.640 spot Era sorry not game Spots Existence. 2179 01:46:32.840 --> 01:46:33.039 Yeah. 2180 01:46:33.159 --> 01:46:40.720 I remember Carolyn Pettitt was raving about Splunky and that's 2181 01:46:40.720 --> 01:46:43.439 actually why I picked it up. And my god, did 2182 01:46:43.479 --> 01:46:46.359 I put so many hours into Splunky at the time. 2183 01:46:46.600 --> 01:46:51.880 I yeah, it's a really, really really solid game, expertly crafted, 2184 01:46:52.039 --> 01:46:57.439 and god it was kind of like everybody wanted to 2185 01:46:57.479 --> 01:46:59.159 talk about it at the time. I think it's gonna 2186 01:46:59.159 --> 01:47:03.199 be a tough cell depending on how big everyone is 2187 01:47:03.279 --> 01:47:06.560 into Tony Hawk's Pro Skater three, which I also played, 2188 01:47:06.640 --> 01:47:08.359 I had one of the best soundtracks. 2189 01:47:07.880 --> 01:47:09.159 All right, not to offend everybody. 2190 01:47:10.359 --> 01:47:14.199 I know two of course, but like which I have 2191 01:47:14.279 --> 01:47:16.039 a hard time differentiating Tony Hawks. 2192 01:47:15.840 --> 01:47:17.600 So I can tell you all of it. 2193 01:47:17.720 --> 01:47:20.600 It's three is I think the best Tony Hawk because 2194 01:47:20.640 --> 01:47:22.840 it is the one that like one kicked ass and 2195 01:47:22.960 --> 01:47:25.239 then two introduced the manual, so then all of a 2196 01:47:25.239 --> 01:47:27.680 sudden you can chain things together. Yes, I know, man 2197 01:47:27.760 --> 01:47:30.279 that really opens things up. But three was the one 2198 01:47:30.359 --> 01:47:33.319 that added the revert, which was the last step you needed. 2199 01:47:33.359 --> 01:47:35.600 Where it's like, if you're doing a vert trick as 2200 01:47:35.680 --> 01:47:37.199 you land, you hit R two and you can kind 2201 01:47:37.199 --> 01:47:39.680 of spin around into a manual. So at that point 2202 01:47:39.840 --> 01:47:42.600 you can basically just go the whole two minute run 2203 01:47:42.760 --> 01:47:45.760 and then some by just chaining a million things together. 2204 01:47:45.840 --> 01:47:47.920 So if you got good at that game, and that 2205 01:47:48.039 --> 01:47:49.640 is one of the few games were talking about punched 2206 01:47:49.640 --> 01:47:52.279 out earlier. I injured my my thumb fucking turned black 2207 01:47:52.520 --> 01:47:55.760 from just digging in so hard on this game, because 2208 01:47:56.039 --> 01:47:59.199 it really rewarded you getting into that flow state and 2209 01:47:59.319 --> 01:48:01.560 knowing how to change your flip tricks to your grinds, 2210 01:48:01.600 --> 01:48:03.560 to your verts, to your manuals and reverts and everything. 2211 01:48:03.880 --> 01:48:05.199 The levels are fantastic. 2212 01:48:06.159 --> 01:48:06.399 It is. 2213 01:48:06.560 --> 01:48:09.000 It is the peak of one of the all time 2214 01:48:09.079 --> 01:48:13.279 great franchises. It's also i think maybe just like it 2215 01:48:13.439 --> 01:48:17.319 rivals the best marios with like the best feeling games 2216 01:48:17.399 --> 01:48:20.479 of all time to play. You feel fucking awesome when 2217 01:48:20.520 --> 01:48:21.600 you're pulling stuff off in that game. 2218 01:48:21.640 --> 01:48:26.600 To this day, it's a tough. 2219 01:48:26.840 --> 01:48:28.279 Yeah, that's nodding my head. 2220 01:48:28.319 --> 01:48:30.359 For those who don't who are just listening, it's. 2221 01:48:30.239 --> 01:48:32.840 Just such a solid it's a solid game. I mean, 2222 01:48:32.920 --> 01:48:35.000 I I also enjoyed playing this. I don't think I 2223 01:48:35.079 --> 01:48:41.560 had the childhood experiences playing it old people have, but 2224 01:48:41.680 --> 01:48:43.880 I I did. 2225 01:48:44.039 --> 01:48:44.800 You were younger than me. 2226 01:48:45.319 --> 01:48:48.640 Had I had friends who played this game, and that 2227 01:48:48.720 --> 01:48:50.039 I would go over to their house and we would 2228 01:48:50.039 --> 01:48:52.359 play together. And it is just like a really iconic 2229 01:48:52.479 --> 01:48:55.520 and seamless experience, and it was a cool person's game. 2230 01:48:55.840 --> 01:48:59.600 Everyone who was cool had this in their house. I 2231 01:48:59.640 --> 01:49:02.520 think it's kind of iconic to its time, and I 2232 01:49:02.600 --> 01:49:05.520 think I actually I don't think I would fight that 2233 01:49:05.600 --> 01:49:06.640 hard for Splunky over it. 2234 01:49:06.880 --> 01:49:08.560 I think I think this is awesome. 2235 01:49:08.800 --> 01:49:11.520 It's really good, and there's some similarities here too, because 2236 01:49:11.520 --> 01:49:13.239 I really do think Spilunky will be one of those 2237 01:49:13.279 --> 01:49:16.039 games that ten twenty years from now, just by nature 2238 01:49:16.039 --> 01:49:18.279 of the design and what that game is, I think 2239 01:49:18.319 --> 01:49:21.439 that will feel really good to play eternally. I think 2240 01:49:21.680 --> 01:49:23.399 if there's anything that might be dated with it, I 2241 01:49:23.520 --> 01:49:26.119 kind of think the art style is a little kind 2242 01:49:26.159 --> 01:49:26.800 of of its era. 2243 01:49:27.560 --> 01:49:29.159 I don't love the art styles Plunky. 2244 01:49:29.439 --> 01:49:32.079 You know, Tony Hawk three doesn't look modern or anything, 2245 01:49:32.079 --> 01:49:34.239 but that was more of a technological limitations. 2246 01:49:34.359 --> 01:49:36.239 I just and maybe it's subjective. 2247 01:49:36.319 --> 01:49:38.680 I just don't love this flunky art style, but I 2248 01:49:38.720 --> 01:49:41.159 think it will play great ten twenty thirty years from now. 2249 01:49:41.600 --> 01:49:44.239 Yeah, it was really solid, Mike. I'm curious where you're 2250 01:49:44.359 --> 01:49:47.359 at here. I'm like, I'm not going to like die 2251 01:49:47.479 --> 01:49:48.279 on this hill. 2252 01:49:48.279 --> 01:49:52.880 But yeah, uh, I can't split the decision between those two. 2253 01:49:52.920 --> 01:49:56.079 So again, I barely remember Tony Hawk pro Skater three 2254 01:49:56.159 --> 01:50:00.039 as its own individual entity. I will say I I 2255 01:50:00.640 --> 01:50:03.239 have only ever played I say only. I think I've 2256 01:50:03.319 --> 01:50:07.680 probably put being honest fifty hours into Spelunky. I've played 2257 01:50:07.720 --> 01:50:12.479 more two, and Spelunkie two, in my opinion, is like 2258 01:50:13.159 --> 01:50:18.680 one of those games that's close to perfect. I the 2259 01:50:18.720 --> 01:50:21.199 first Pelunkie was the first time as an adult. I 2260 01:50:21.359 --> 01:50:24.960 think that I felt the same sense of discovery and 2261 01:50:25.119 --> 01:50:28.560 mystery and what the fuck's gonna happen next? And all right, 2262 01:50:28.800 --> 01:50:31.000 there's a lot of complex rules I need to learn 2263 01:50:31.119 --> 01:50:33.000 through trial and error. I'm not going to read a guide. 2264 01:50:33.720 --> 01:50:36.079 Oh this warps me to hear. Oh this pisses him 2265 01:50:36.119 --> 01:50:37.680 off if I use this item. Let's not mess with 2266 01:50:37.720 --> 01:50:40.159 this prospector Oh okay, now he's got a shotgun. This 2267 01:50:40.239 --> 01:50:41.960 is great, turns out the shot and can really fuck 2268 01:50:41.960 --> 01:50:44.079 you over in certain areas. Wait a minute, there's a 2269 01:50:44.119 --> 01:50:47.399 whole new biome I didn't even know about. Uh, Spelunky 2270 01:50:47.640 --> 01:50:51.239 reminded me why I loved video games to begin with. 2271 01:50:51.800 --> 01:50:53.239 That's a very personal thing, but I just think it 2272 01:50:53.399 --> 01:50:53.840 was built. 2273 01:50:54.840 --> 01:50:58.119 Spelunky's like the most video game ass video game ever, 2274 01:50:58.359 --> 01:51:00.279 And in this argument, it's going up against Tony Hawks 2275 01:51:00.319 --> 01:51:02.159 pro Skater three, which is one of the from what 2276 01:51:02.239 --> 01:51:03.880 you've told me, if it's anything like Tony Hawk's pro 2277 01:51:03.920 --> 01:51:05.760 Skater two, which I played the shit out of, one 2278 01:51:05.800 --> 01:51:07.840 of the most video game as video games ever, I 2279 01:51:07.960 --> 01:51:11.279 don't particularly care that much for each one. I can 2280 01:51:11.359 --> 01:51:14.520 see myself going back to Spelunky two in like a 2281 01:51:14.600 --> 01:51:16.800 year or two, and that's all I talk about. But 2282 01:51:16.960 --> 01:51:19.840 at this point in time right now, I'm I'm kind 2283 01:51:19.880 --> 01:51:21.000 of differing on this. 2284 01:51:21.079 --> 01:51:22.000 One right now. 2285 01:51:22.159 --> 01:51:24.439 It's funny I made the argument earlier about how I 2286 01:51:24.520 --> 01:51:26.720 still load up, you know, warrior ware every time I'm 2287 01:51:26.960 --> 01:51:29.159 setting up an analog pocket or something like that, and 2288 01:51:29.720 --> 01:51:31.399 some of them, like a lot of them, they will 2289 01:51:31.439 --> 01:51:33.680 only play like two D games and maybe up to 2290 01:51:33.840 --> 01:51:36.520 like you know, PS one, and whenever I get one, 2291 01:51:36.640 --> 01:51:38.399 it's like, oh, okay, steam Deck. I heard that's good, 2292 01:51:38.479 --> 01:51:40.199 like you know PS two or the Rock Ally or 2293 01:51:40.239 --> 01:51:43.479 something that the one I always go to to test 2294 01:51:43.560 --> 01:51:46.119 how good something is with PS two stuff is Tony 2295 01:51:46.159 --> 01:51:47.920 Hawk three, just because you go to the Foundry, you 2296 01:51:48.000 --> 01:51:50.479 just drop right in and you're instantly like if something 2297 01:51:50.560 --> 01:51:52.479 is even the slightest bit off with that game, you know, 2298 01:51:52.600 --> 01:51:56.560 because that game controlled so fucking tightly. So that is 2299 01:51:56.640 --> 01:51:58.199 my go to all the time with anything from that 2300 01:51:58.279 --> 01:52:00.680 PS two era, and I do think it holds up 2301 01:52:00.680 --> 01:52:02.920 incredibly well. I'm sure if somebody came to it now 2302 01:52:02.960 --> 01:52:05.079 for the first time and you know, and didn't play 2303 01:52:05.119 --> 01:52:06.520 all of the series leading up to it, it might 2304 01:52:06.560 --> 01:52:09.640 be a bit much. But yeah, you know, Mary mentioned 2305 01:52:09.680 --> 01:52:11.960 the music too, starting out with Asa Spades, and I 2306 01:52:12.359 --> 01:52:14.920 think that one had the Dell, the funky Homo Sapien, 2307 01:52:15.039 --> 01:52:16.960 a bunch of great stuff on there. Like it's just 2308 01:52:17.079 --> 01:52:20.079 it's it's an iconic fucking game, iconic series, and this 2309 01:52:20.279 --> 01:52:21.399 is the height of the series. 2310 01:52:26.479 --> 01:52:29.279 Dude's Blunky had so many fucking sick moments where you 2311 01:52:29.359 --> 01:52:29.640 were just. 2312 01:52:29.720 --> 01:52:31.439 Like, there's no way I'm gonna make it out of this, 2313 01:52:31.560 --> 01:52:33.479 and then you fucking did, and you'd be like, yes, 2314 01:52:33.600 --> 01:52:36.680 I am the greatest gamer alive, and then you would 2315 01:52:36.680 --> 01:52:39.000 get hit by a fucking snake, and then and then 2316 01:52:39.000 --> 01:52:40.640 you would just get hit three more times before you 2317 01:52:40.800 --> 01:52:41.760 hit there he was dead. 2318 01:52:42.319 --> 01:52:45.079 He was so beautiful that game humbled the shit out 2319 01:52:45.119 --> 01:52:45.239 of you. 2320 01:52:45.560 --> 01:52:45.960 Oh yeah. 2321 01:52:46.399 --> 01:52:48.600 It's also like it's up there with GTA five in 2322 01:52:48.680 --> 01:52:51.920 the sense that why the fuck did the developer spend 2323 01:52:51.960 --> 01:52:54.760 that much time making this ending quote unquote ending and 2324 01:52:54.800 --> 01:52:59.119 it Spelunky it's not really a thing which the I've 2325 01:52:59.199 --> 01:53:01.479 never seen it, but there's criteria to reach a certain ending. 2326 01:53:01.560 --> 01:53:03.880 It's like, I don't I genuine don't understand how anybody 2327 01:53:03.960 --> 01:53:07.279 discovered this, let alone achieve this, and they probably spent 2328 01:53:07.880 --> 01:53:09.760 I don't know. I don't design games, but it must 2329 01:53:09.760 --> 01:53:11.520 have been a sizable chunk of the fucking time it 2330 01:53:11.600 --> 01:53:14.239 made to make that game, just so maybe one person 2331 01:53:14.279 --> 01:53:15.600 could see it and then tell their friends at the 2332 01:53:15.680 --> 01:53:19.520 water cooler, which is the really cool shit about most 2333 01:53:19.560 --> 01:53:23.560 of my favorite video games. Again, I'm sure like I'll 2334 01:53:23.640 --> 01:53:26.800 come around to Spelunky two again more in the future, 2335 01:53:27.720 --> 01:53:29.840 game which I loved but always was just comparing it 2336 01:53:29.920 --> 01:53:33.359 to the first game, which I SPLUNKI one was one 2337 01:53:33.359 --> 01:53:35.600 of those games that always impressed the hell out of 2338 01:53:35.640 --> 01:53:42.159 me more than I genuinely got attached to. Yeah, I'm 2339 01:53:43.159 --> 01:53:44.880 I don't know, am Am I the deciding vote right 2340 01:53:44.920 --> 01:53:46.159 now or Mary or you kind of. 2341 01:53:48.640 --> 01:53:51.680 Yeah, I think that I put Splunky on here, so 2342 01:53:51.840 --> 01:53:54.760 I lean towards Splunky, but I'm not gonna this is 2343 01:53:55.119 --> 01:53:58.720 This is a tougher sell for me, but I will. 2344 01:53:58.560 --> 01:54:03.000 Say I will say Dan had swayed me more than 2345 01:54:03.560 --> 01:54:03.800 me too. 2346 01:54:04.279 --> 01:54:05.000 Yeah, I think. 2347 01:54:06.680 --> 01:54:08.520 I think it was very important to you, and I 2348 01:54:08.760 --> 01:54:11.720 do think Splunky was important to me. But I don't 2349 01:54:11.760 --> 01:54:15.840 think that I see Splunky getting very far in this bracket, 2350 01:54:15.960 --> 01:54:17.640 and I just think which I think. 2351 01:54:17.520 --> 01:54:19.680 It should, but I don't think I have put enough 2352 01:54:19.760 --> 01:54:23.359 time and like into it. But that's again, that's just 2353 01:54:24.119 --> 01:54:24.640 doesn't matter. 2354 01:54:25.199 --> 01:54:29.520 Okay, Tony Hawk pro skater three winds over Splunky. 2355 01:54:31.199 --> 01:54:33.960 Chris Plants rolling in his bed. 2356 01:54:37.920 --> 01:54:38.920 It's a fire escape. 2357 01:54:39.399 --> 01:54:44.279 Yeah, yeah, no, he listens poops just joking in bed. Yep, 2358 01:54:45.079 --> 01:54:46.680 did you guys not know this about Chris Plant? 2359 01:54:47.039 --> 01:54:47.920 No? No, that's thing. 2360 01:54:48.039 --> 01:54:52.039 Yeah, yeah, he's got new fandangle toilet beds. 2361 01:54:52.319 --> 01:54:53.920 Look, that's what we did in Kansas City growing up. 2362 01:54:53.960 --> 01:54:56.760 He's from there can Sands and there poop beds. What 2363 01:54:56.840 --> 01:54:59.920 we call ourselves too could never fall as you po 2364 01:55:00.520 --> 01:55:01.319 into Dreamland. 2365 01:55:02.920 --> 01:55:06.720 Next matchup super Mario Bros. 2366 01:55:06.960 --> 01:55:07.199 Three. 2367 01:55:08.399 --> 01:55:10.920 Would you like me to say brothers super Mario Brothers three? 2368 01:55:11.800 --> 01:55:13.159 I usually just say Mario three. 2369 01:55:13.600 --> 01:55:16.800 Yeah, yeah, versus the Last of Us? 2370 01:55:23.199 --> 01:55:26.199 This is like the okay Corral, let's look at it. 2371 01:55:28.159 --> 01:55:30.199 Yeah, you don't see it. It's like twelve angry men, 2372 01:55:30.279 --> 01:55:32.119 but there's only three of us. But we're all kind 2373 01:55:32.119 --> 01:55:33.279 of like looking at each other. 2374 01:55:33.600 --> 01:55:36.680 I when you start, I think I was the last 2375 01:55:36.720 --> 01:55:37.000 of us. 2376 01:55:38.159 --> 01:55:40.000 I was also the last of us. That's a joint. 2377 01:55:41.479 --> 01:55:44.439 Hey, I swayed my Mary swayed me on divinity. You 2378 01:55:44.479 --> 01:55:46.199 got me an, Tony Hawk. I'm not rigid. 2379 01:55:46.800 --> 01:55:48.479 I mean I'm very hard right now, but I'm not 2380 01:55:48.720 --> 01:55:49.560 like stubborn. 2381 01:55:51.800 --> 01:55:53.720 I mean, come on, the last of Us is like 2382 01:55:54.039 --> 01:55:55.680 this iconic storyline. 2383 01:55:56.079 --> 01:55:57.880 Did Mario three ever changed? 2384 01:55:58.560 --> 01:55:58.760 Yeah? 2385 01:55:59.760 --> 01:56:00.840 That you for anybody? 2386 01:56:02.520 --> 01:56:05.159 No, I I this is not a matchup. I anticipated 2387 01:56:05.760 --> 01:56:06.000 I was. 2388 01:56:05.960 --> 01:56:07.640 About to say it was the last of us in 2389 01:56:07.720 --> 01:56:10.880 a movie. They made a whole series. 2390 01:56:10.640 --> 01:56:15.279 Basically, Yeah, they sure did. It's HBO series and it's extremely. 2391 01:56:16.479 --> 01:56:18.000 If I'm not gonna win, like do I do? 2392 01:56:18.119 --> 01:56:21.319 I waste I know, yes, please, because I'm open to 2393 01:56:21.359 --> 01:56:21.920 being swayed. 2394 01:56:22.079 --> 01:56:22.920 Can't waste your breath. 2395 01:56:23.399 --> 01:56:26.159 I love it. But I feel like this is like 2396 01:56:26.159 --> 01:56:27.840 a metal your solid thing of two words. So I'm 2397 01:56:27.880 --> 01:56:29.439 going into old man like you had to be there. 2398 01:56:30.199 --> 01:56:33.960 You did have to be there. So Mario, fucking Mario, 2399 01:56:34.239 --> 01:56:38.359 you both understand. How great guy? Yeah? 2400 01:56:38.600 --> 01:56:42.079 If you're a fucking four or five year old like 2401 01:56:42.199 --> 01:56:45.199 I was in the late eighties, obsessed with fucking Mario. 2402 01:56:45.399 --> 01:56:50.039 All right, but what what you were obsessed with? Whatting him? Oh? 2403 01:56:50.640 --> 01:56:51.680 Having sex with Mario? 2404 01:56:52.039 --> 01:56:52.239 Yes? 2405 01:56:52.560 --> 01:56:54.119 No, that did it? Sounded weird now that I think 2406 01:56:54.119 --> 01:56:59.000 about it. Okay, no Mario, Okay, when you're obsessed with 2407 01:56:59.159 --> 01:57:01.720 fornicating with Mario like I was as a four year old, 2408 01:57:01.720 --> 01:57:02.079 like I am. 2409 01:57:02.199 --> 01:57:06.520 Yeah, yeah, as a four year old, Mario was everything. 2410 01:57:06.800 --> 01:57:09.479 Mario was the entire world. It was the only thing 2411 01:57:09.520 --> 01:57:12.199 that mattered. I didn't know pro wrestling existed for another 2412 01:57:12.279 --> 01:57:12.800 five years. 2413 01:57:13.159 --> 01:57:17.039 Mario was the world. And then two comes out. I 2414 01:57:17.479 --> 01:57:18.920 loved I mean the US too. I love that. 2415 01:57:18.960 --> 01:57:20.920 I'm not gonna do a whole history thing here anyway. 2416 01:57:21.439 --> 01:57:24.279 Three starts getting hyped up like crazy, and this is 2417 01:57:24.399 --> 01:57:26.119 around the time, you know, I'm five or six, I'm 2418 01:57:26.119 --> 01:57:27.920 starting to give video game magazines and shit, I'm seeing 2419 01:57:27.960 --> 01:57:30.000 screenshots of like Mario three. Oh my god, he's got 2420 01:57:30.039 --> 01:57:32.279 a raccoon tail, He's got all that. Oh it looks 2421 01:57:32.319 --> 01:57:35.439 so fucking good. And then the Wiz comes out that 2422 01:57:35.640 --> 01:57:38.439 movie where they showed that do not know this. It 2423 01:57:38.520 --> 01:57:39.279 was just an old guy thing. 2424 01:57:39.720 --> 01:57:41.279 Wiz a Seinfeld character for me. 2425 01:57:41.760 --> 01:57:44.439 Oh wow, okay. Well, at the the climax of the 2426 01:57:44.479 --> 01:57:47.079 Whiz was they goat. It was like a thing in 2427 01:57:47.199 --> 01:57:50.199 conjunction with Nintendo. This movie was made but released in theaters. 2428 01:57:50.600 --> 01:57:52.439 And at the end they go to this like video 2429 01:57:52.479 --> 01:57:55.479 game competition where somehow they turn Mario three into a 2430 01:57:55.640 --> 01:57:58.640 thing and they're doing the bonus games as a competition. Anyway, 2431 01:57:58.680 --> 01:58:00.720 all the matters was it. It was kind of the 2432 01:58:00.840 --> 01:58:02.840 debut of Mario three. The way they would do it 2433 01:58:02.920 --> 01:58:06.560 Nintendo Direct now to show off the new Mario. It's like, oh, 2434 01:58:06.600 --> 01:58:09.159 if you want to see Mario three before it comes out, 2435 01:58:09.199 --> 01:58:11.640 we're gonna show parts of it. And the Whiz it 2436 01:58:11.920 --> 01:58:13.840 was the Wizard. I think it's called The Wizard. Yeah, 2437 01:58:14.439 --> 01:58:16.520 And so people literally like the hype was so crazy 2438 01:58:16.560 --> 01:58:18.960 that you would go buy a fucking ticket to go 2439 01:58:19.159 --> 01:58:20.880 see this movie to get a glimpse of a new 2440 01:58:20.960 --> 01:58:22.800 video game instead of watching it on an E three 2441 01:58:22.920 --> 01:58:24.640 stream or a YouTube video or something like that. 2442 01:58:26.279 --> 01:58:28.479 That's how off the charts the hype was. 2443 01:58:29.159 --> 01:58:33.039 And I think where it falls off for me in 2444 01:58:33.159 --> 01:58:36.199 terms of being able to make a major argument here 2445 01:58:37.079 --> 01:58:40.039 is it was not necessarily a meddle year solid moment 2446 01:58:40.119 --> 01:58:43.039 where it's like this changes everything. It was more of 2447 01:58:43.119 --> 01:58:45.479 a Zelda one to link to the past situation, where 2448 01:58:45.520 --> 01:58:48.920 it's like it is taking the framework of the original. 2449 01:58:49.119 --> 01:58:51.920 This is what that greatly improved, even though this was 2450 01:58:51.960 --> 01:58:54.800 actually on the same system Zelda went from SNS. This 2451 01:58:54.920 --> 01:58:56.520 is on the same system. It was just that Mario 2452 01:58:56.640 --> 01:59:00.520 three was leaps and bounds ahead of everything one and two? 2453 01:59:00.560 --> 01:59:01.760 Did I mean? I fucking love two? 2454 01:59:01.840 --> 01:59:04.760 But three is three is right behind Mario World in 2455 01:59:04.920 --> 01:59:06.600 terms of just like this is a perfect video game. 2456 01:59:06.800 --> 01:59:12.920 So I have not played much Mario World, Burrows three, 2457 01:59:14.760 --> 01:59:20.399 three different games, World Barrows three, Super Mario Bros. 2458 01:59:20.560 --> 01:59:23.119 Three. Okay, oh is that what we're talking about. 2459 01:59:23.600 --> 01:59:25.399 Yes, I've played. I played it back in the day. 2460 01:59:25.399 --> 01:59:27.960 I've not played much since I was young. It's incredible still, 2461 01:59:28.000 --> 01:59:30.520 it's game design like game design, what what is it? 2462 01:59:30.680 --> 01:59:32.840 Is it what makes the platform and good level design? 2463 01:59:33.600 --> 01:59:33.760 You know. 2464 01:59:33.920 --> 01:59:37.159 It was the first one to have that overworld, you know, 2465 01:59:37.279 --> 01:59:39.239 whereas like you know, one, you just go from thing 2466 01:59:39.279 --> 01:59:41.000 to thing, and and two you go from the level 2467 01:59:41.000 --> 01:59:42.279 of the level, and there were warps and stuff like 2468 01:59:42.319 --> 01:59:44.399 that and one and two, but with three you had 2469 01:59:44.479 --> 01:59:47.159 the overworld where you could decide, like, I fucking hate 2470 01:59:47.199 --> 01:59:49.479 this auto scroll level. Uh you know, I know if 2471 01:59:49.479 --> 01:59:51.279 I don't beat it, I can't get to this toad house. 2472 01:59:51.359 --> 01:59:53.319 But I can just go do this level instead of 2473 01:59:53.319 --> 01:59:54.720 that one. I can still get to the fortress, you 2474 01:59:54.760 --> 01:59:56.840 know that type of stuff. And then the skips and 2475 01:59:56.880 --> 02:00:00.159 stuff were like you'd find the warp whistle. There three 2476 02:00:00.159 --> 02:00:02.880 warp whistles hidden throughout the eight worlds and everything. Each 2477 02:00:03.000 --> 02:00:04.600 world had a fun gimmick. It was the first sight 2478 02:00:04.640 --> 02:00:06.720 seeing to do like the big small world where you know, 2479 02:00:06.840 --> 02:00:09.520 you go into one like the Goombazzer Giant and like, 2480 02:00:09.720 --> 02:00:12.520 you know, fun gimmicks like that. The power ups were incredible. 2481 02:00:12.600 --> 02:00:14.680 It's the one that introduced the raccoon tail. So it's 2482 02:00:14.680 --> 02:00:16.960 the first one where Mario's like flying, which was a 2483 02:00:17.119 --> 02:00:19.399 last and that opens up like as soon as like 2484 02:00:19.479 --> 02:00:21.600 you open up the ability where Mario can fucking fly. 2485 02:00:22.479 --> 02:00:24.680 There are all these moments where it's like, yeah, but 2486 02:00:24.760 --> 02:00:26.319 you need to get a run up to fly, So 2487 02:00:26.600 --> 02:00:29.840 certain parts of levels you oh, I could fly right now, 2488 02:00:30.000 --> 02:00:32.159 And there's always that mystery of like what is above 2489 02:00:32.239 --> 02:00:34.279 the screen right now? You know, if I were to 2490 02:00:34.359 --> 02:00:36.640 fly right now. A lot of times you go up 2491 02:00:36.640 --> 02:00:38.199 there and it's like, oh shit, there's all these clouds 2492 02:00:38.199 --> 02:00:39.840 and question mark blocks, and there's a fucking pipe there 2493 02:00:39.880 --> 02:00:42.359 that takes them to this bonus area. So even though 2494 02:00:42.399 --> 02:00:44.399 it was just a side scrolling platform or there was 2495 02:00:44.479 --> 02:00:47.159 always this mystery of like what's just out of sight? 2496 02:00:47.479 --> 02:00:49.760 Or weird fucking things like if you duck on a 2497 02:00:50.279 --> 02:00:54.760 white block for six seconds, it puts you behind the stage, 2498 02:00:54.880 --> 02:00:57.560 like it puts you behind the background elements, and you 2499 02:00:57.640 --> 02:01:01.840 can run behind things and warp to other areas and stuff. 2500 02:01:01.840 --> 02:01:05.159 It's just so filled with secrets that felt nothing short 2501 02:01:05.199 --> 02:01:08.479 of magical back then. You know, the previous Mario one 2502 02:01:08.520 --> 02:01:10.720 and two had you know, some warps and things like that, 2503 02:01:11.159 --> 02:01:14.840 but three just was the most mysterious and fascinating thing 2504 02:01:14.840 --> 02:01:18.279 I could fucking imagine in you know, late eighties early nineties. 2505 02:01:20.199 --> 02:01:21.960 Okay, it's incredible and it holds up today. 2506 02:01:22.119 --> 02:01:24.680 It plays like you know, Mario one was very important 2507 02:01:24.720 --> 02:01:26.680 to me, doesn't play amazing these days. 2508 02:01:26.960 --> 02:01:29.680 Mario three. I play it now and I fucking love 2509 02:01:29.720 --> 02:01:30.319 every second of it. 2510 02:01:32.119 --> 02:01:32.319 Yeah. 2511 02:01:32.359 --> 02:01:37.000 I replayed the Last of Us the Remastered recently, and 2512 02:01:38.279 --> 02:01:39.760 I like the Last of Us Part two. 2513 02:01:40.079 --> 02:01:41.680 I think it's way too long. I think a lot 2514 02:01:41.720 --> 02:01:42.399 of it was bloated. 2515 02:01:43.279 --> 02:01:45.279 Last of Us Part one is still one of the 2516 02:01:45.319 --> 02:01:52.880 most incredibly paced games a just the cross country post 2517 02:01:52.880 --> 02:01:55.880 apocalypt It's like the best road trip game ever, and 2518 02:01:55.920 --> 02:01:57.960 I think people forget that it's a road trip game. 2519 02:01:58.359 --> 02:02:00.760 You're trying to get to Saltly City or no, you're 2520 02:02:00.760 --> 02:02:04.159 originally trying to get to You go through Pittsburgh Northwest. 2521 02:02:05.199 --> 02:02:07.319 That's where Part two eventually they get to. But there 2522 02:02:07.479 --> 02:02:09.079 you get to Salt Lake City. That's where you see 2523 02:02:09.119 --> 02:02:11.000 the giraffes in that moment, which. 2524 02:02:10.840 --> 02:02:12.920 I guess like cliche is that moment has become now 2525 02:02:13.000 --> 02:02:15.359 that actually was really fucking cool to like be in 2526 02:02:15.439 --> 02:02:18.399 this really grim world for that long and you're doing 2527 02:02:18.479 --> 02:02:21.039 some fucked up shit as Joel, and I also don't 2528 02:02:21.079 --> 02:02:22.640 think that game gets enough credit for how good its 2529 02:02:22.680 --> 02:02:26.319 combat is, and I think last part last was part two. 2530 02:02:26.399 --> 02:02:30.640 Is roguelike Mode actually showcases the combat in a way 2531 02:02:30.720 --> 02:02:33.920 that I'm like, yes, this is last part one. It's 2532 02:02:34.079 --> 02:02:35.920 very much about like, what the fuck is in my 2533 02:02:36.000 --> 02:02:38.479 immediate vicinity that I can just smash someone over the 2534 02:02:38.560 --> 02:02:41.239 head with quick Okay, I don't have any other choice. 2535 02:02:41.279 --> 02:02:42.960 I'm just gonna kick him a few times, punch him, 2536 02:02:42.960 --> 02:02:44.960 and then there's another guy coming at me. I've got 2537 02:02:45.039 --> 02:02:47.199 one rifle bullet left, but I don't want that guy 2538 02:02:47.239 --> 02:02:50.159 to kill me. So like the way that that game's 2539 02:02:50.279 --> 02:02:53.000 combat captures the heat of the moment decision making that 2540 02:02:54.119 --> 02:02:58.000 many games kind of trivialize grounds that combat in a 2541 02:02:58.039 --> 02:03:00.920 way that works for that world. So well, I'm not 2542 02:03:01.000 --> 02:03:06.640 gonna sit here and say that that game was what's 2543 02:03:06.640 --> 02:03:07.960 the phrase I'm looking for. I think a lot of 2544 02:03:07.960 --> 02:03:10.359 people say, oh, it's grim. It was like really it 2545 02:03:10.479 --> 02:03:12.640 was violent, it was dark. Like, I still love playing 2546 02:03:12.640 --> 02:03:13.920 the game. I have a lot of fun playing it. 2547 02:03:14.000 --> 02:03:16.520 I think it feels great. I think the remaster helped. 2548 02:03:16.600 --> 02:03:19.560 I also, like, I know the weapons sway got criticized 2549 02:03:19.720 --> 02:03:21.439 because it just didn't feel great. It was like I 2550 02:03:21.479 --> 02:03:23.640 don't think it's supposed to. Joel's not a soldier, he's 2551 02:03:23.680 --> 02:03:26.960 his dad. That like shit went south, But holy shit, 2552 02:03:26.960 --> 02:03:29.680 it's up there with Half Life two. Half Life two 2553 02:03:29.760 --> 02:03:32.159 is City seventeen, opening off the train and then running 2554 02:03:32.279 --> 02:03:34.680 escaping through the hallways, like the intro to the Last 2555 02:03:34.720 --> 02:03:38.680 of Us when Sarah, your daughter dies, When you're escaping 2556 02:03:38.720 --> 02:03:40.880 the military and you're kind of controlling things. 2557 02:03:40.960 --> 02:03:41.159 You're not. 2558 02:03:41.159 --> 02:03:43.720 It's very naughty Dog set piece cinematic, but you're sort 2559 02:03:43.720 --> 02:03:47.439 of controlling it, which they're very good at. It turns 2560 02:03:47.479 --> 02:03:51.399 out all the way straight through to again. I think 2561 02:03:51.439 --> 02:03:55.039 people have looked. I think Last gets that BioShock infinite 2562 02:03:55.039 --> 02:03:58.800 treatment where there absolutely are big flaws and it's thematic storytelling. 2563 02:03:59.000 --> 02:04:01.560 I'll I'm right there with people. I also think people 2564 02:04:01.640 --> 02:04:04.720 look back and kind of diminish the impact certain moments 2565 02:04:04.760 --> 02:04:07.560 had at the time that last line and Last was 2566 02:04:07.640 --> 02:04:11.079 Part one. I replaying it recently, is still we all 2567 02:04:11.119 --> 02:04:12.720 know the implications it has for Part two. 2568 02:04:13.640 --> 02:04:15.039 The fact that. 2569 02:04:16.520 --> 02:04:19.279 Going back to the game, that script led up. 2570 02:04:19.239 --> 02:04:23.600 To that moment so fucking expertly that I didn't I 2571 02:04:23.880 --> 02:04:26.399 reviewed that game for Gaming Nexus back in twenty thirteen. 2572 02:04:26.439 --> 02:04:29.279 I had to run Rush Home from E three. Jump 2573 02:04:29.359 --> 02:04:31.720 into that game, start playing it, and as I was 2574 02:04:31.760 --> 02:04:33.560 playing it was like, oh my god, what is how 2575 02:04:33.600 --> 02:04:35.159 has Naughty Dog done this? You know they came off 2576 02:04:35.199 --> 02:04:38.960 of Uncharted three before they did this. That was just 2577 02:04:39.079 --> 02:04:42.279 like a studio flexing its design chops, showing hey, we 2578 02:04:42.319 --> 02:04:47.000 can do this as well. That Joel Ellie relationship there 2579 02:04:47.000 --> 02:04:50.279 are those two characters are just so fleshed out, so real. 2580 02:04:51.199 --> 02:04:53.920 I hate the phrase lived in, but they you know, 2581 02:04:54.079 --> 02:04:55.840 it was what Troy Baker. 2582 02:04:55.720 --> 02:04:59.239 And uh from Mass Effect. 2583 02:04:59.319 --> 02:05:02.760 I don't know the girls, Yeah, it's I really should 2584 02:05:02.880 --> 02:05:05.640 look but like, yeah, they killed those parts and. 2585 02:05:05.760 --> 02:05:09.119 Like that relationship, and you learn more about Ellie and 2586 02:05:09.159 --> 02:05:11.119 you're like, oh, okay, Ellie's the central character here, but 2587 02:05:11.239 --> 02:05:16.000 like the the you know, Joel using her as a yeah, 2588 02:05:16.159 --> 02:05:17.560 and you all of a sudden talk. 2589 02:05:17.439 --> 02:05:20.439 About Ryan and everyone's like what the fuck? 2590 02:05:20.640 --> 02:05:20.840 Yeah. 2591 02:05:22.520 --> 02:05:25.760 But again, replaying it, I forgot how well that was handled. 2592 02:05:25.760 --> 02:05:28.039 Because Joel gets he falls off a balcony in the 2593 02:05:28.560 --> 02:05:31.359 campus where they think there might be something they need 2594 02:05:31.520 --> 02:05:32.439 in Colorado. 2595 02:05:32.960 --> 02:05:35.079 He falls off, piece of rebar goes through him. He's like, 2596 02:05:35.119 --> 02:05:35.880 that's through his kidney. 2597 02:05:35.920 --> 02:05:38.800 He's fucked. She gets him back on the horse basically, 2598 02:05:39.159 --> 02:05:39.880 and then it cuts. 2599 02:05:40.079 --> 02:05:42.359 And for those who don't remember, the game is structured 2600 02:05:42.359 --> 02:05:46.960 into each each of the four seasons, so that was fall, fall, 2601 02:05:47.600 --> 02:05:49.039 and then all of a sudden it cuts and it's 2602 02:05:49.119 --> 02:05:51.199 just winter. It's the close up on that rabbit, just 2603 02:05:51.319 --> 02:05:52.680 like kind of like being cute in the woods, and 2604 02:05:52.680 --> 02:05:54.600 all of a sudden arrow hits it. There's that famous 2605 02:05:54.680 --> 02:05:56.920 like stream clip of the girl, the woman who is 2606 02:05:56.960 --> 02:06:00.399 like streaming that she sees it surprise, and all of 2607 02:06:00.399 --> 02:06:02.159 a sudden, you're like, holy shit, I'm playing as Ellie. 2608 02:06:02.279 --> 02:06:04.640 It was like a yeah, it was like ride in 2609 02:06:05.840 --> 02:06:08.319 the way. The camera came behind her and you realize, 2610 02:06:08.319 --> 02:06:09.720 oh my god, it's going in a position. I'm going 2611 02:06:09.760 --> 02:06:12.119 to play as her. They don't tell you that Joel 2612 02:06:12.319 --> 02:06:15.359 is in a basement in this house in this random 2613 02:06:15.439 --> 02:06:18.199 suburb in the cold, because they couldn't put him anywhere else. 2614 02:06:18.279 --> 02:06:23.840 Like the the restraint that game shows in many moments, 2615 02:06:23.920 --> 02:06:26.680 and how it ties that the impact of its big 2616 02:06:26.760 --> 02:06:29.319 storytelling moments into the gameplay. When all of a sudden, 2617 02:06:29.399 --> 02:06:34.000 like when Ellie sees Nolan North's character David, who is 2618 02:06:34.079 --> 02:06:36.239 like there's something off about him, but he's really charming 2619 02:06:36.279 --> 02:06:38.760 and charismatic. Turns out no, he's a cannibal cult leader 2620 02:06:39.840 --> 02:06:41.720 and he killed that performance as well. It's Nolan North, 2621 02:06:41.800 --> 02:06:46.439 But I'm as the control goes back to you, as Ellie, 2622 02:06:46.560 --> 02:06:48.960 You're like, I really am in a dire situation. 2623 02:06:49.079 --> 02:06:51.000 This dude is creepy and dangerous. I need to get 2624 02:06:51.000 --> 02:06:51.600 the fuck out of here. 2625 02:06:51.800 --> 02:06:54.760 The way that game flits between Okay, here's the story 2626 02:06:54.800 --> 02:06:56.640 we want to tell his Naughty Dog, But then when 2627 02:06:56.680 --> 02:06:59.479 the control goes back to your hands, the way that 2628 02:06:59.600 --> 02:07:02.560 they can kind of transfer the momentum of the emotion 2629 02:07:02.720 --> 02:07:05.840 from that cut scene into your controller is just fucking like. 2630 02:07:06.680 --> 02:07:08.560 Part two doesn't get anywhere close to Part one in 2631 02:07:08.680 --> 02:07:10.439 that regard. And you know that, I think Last of 2632 02:07:10.520 --> 02:07:13.960 Us is Naughty Dog at its peak. They have not 2633 02:07:14.199 --> 02:07:15.039 surpassed it yet. 2634 02:07:15.920 --> 02:07:17.119 And I that that. 2635 02:07:17.399 --> 02:07:19.640 I'm so happy I replayed that game recently because it's 2636 02:07:19.640 --> 02:07:22.079 still really fucking holds up. It's just also paced really well. 2637 02:07:22.159 --> 02:07:24.840 The mission variety mission not mission, but like level variety. 2638 02:07:25.439 --> 02:07:28.920 The situations you're in, this fucking gang that's abducting people 2639 02:07:28.920 --> 02:07:30.439 in Pittsburgh. I need to sneak and then all of 2640 02:07:30.439 --> 02:07:31.920 a sudden oh stelt Steltz fucked. 2641 02:07:31.920 --> 02:07:34.079 I gotta go loud and just try to kill people 2642 02:07:34.119 --> 02:07:36.720 however I can to protect Ellie's love it. 2643 02:07:36.920 --> 02:07:39.920 It's it's a really tough comparison as well. This is like, 2644 02:07:40.640 --> 02:07:46.119 uh Apocalypse Now Versus Paddington Bear two, Like they're both 2645 02:07:46.359 --> 02:07:50.439 really excellent, but like, holy shit, one is annihilating and 2646 02:07:50.560 --> 02:07:53.840 stressful and just will gut you. I do think Super 2647 02:07:53.880 --> 02:08:00.479 Mario Bros. Three is a fantastic, fantastic childhood experience, and 2648 02:08:01.039 --> 02:08:03.319 I you know, we've been doing a lot of this 2649 02:08:03.479 --> 02:08:04.960 is like which one would you play? Which one do 2650 02:08:05.000 --> 02:08:07.239 you enjoy play more? And it's like, really, it depends 2651 02:08:07.279 --> 02:08:09.560 on my vibe because I would not play the last 2652 02:08:09.640 --> 02:08:13.319 of Us on a whim. It is stressful and chaotic 2653 02:08:13.479 --> 02:08:15.720 and like really hard to get through in some parts, 2654 02:08:15.800 --> 02:08:18.840 not because it's bad, but because it's so gut wrenching 2655 02:08:19.119 --> 02:08:23.640 on my soul, whereas like Super Mario Bros. Is the light, 2656 02:08:24.079 --> 02:08:27.680 It is ice cream baby, It is like yes, please 2657 02:08:27.880 --> 02:08:29.960 all the time. You could play that game at any 2658 02:08:30.039 --> 02:08:31.439 moment and it will bring you joy. 2659 02:08:31.680 --> 02:08:35.720 So they're just really really really quick response to that, Mary, 2660 02:08:35.800 --> 02:08:38.000 I agree, but I also think there are moments of 2661 02:08:38.079 --> 02:08:39.680 joy throughout the Last of Us that you forget about 2662 02:08:39.880 --> 02:08:41.960 that just of course get overshadowed by how grim the 2663 02:08:42.039 --> 02:08:42.479 rest of it is. 2664 02:08:42.560 --> 02:08:46.680 But like they really earn those like giraffe moments, so 2665 02:08:46.760 --> 02:08:48.960 to speak. But anyway, sorry, someone who get killed, go 2666 02:08:48.960 --> 02:08:49.920 ahead down, yeah. 2667 02:08:49.760 --> 02:08:51.840 Yeah, I mean, you know how I am with Mario 2668 02:08:51.880 --> 02:08:53.920 and how I love it. Obviously my boat will go 2669 02:08:54.039 --> 02:08:56.520 to Mario three. I played it like three days ago 2670 02:08:56.560 --> 02:09:01.439 and we so fun. But I don't think of The 2671 02:09:01.520 --> 02:09:03.880 Last of Us often, frankly, and I don't think of 2672 02:09:03.960 --> 02:09:05.600 it as like one of my favorite games. But you know, 2673 02:09:05.720 --> 02:09:07.119 as we talk about it, and I am kind of 2674 02:09:07.119 --> 02:09:10.279 brought back to my time with it. I'm not a 2675 02:09:10.520 --> 02:09:14.560 I don't like playing stealthily. I don't like playing stealth games. 2676 02:09:14.880 --> 02:09:16.640 I like Metal Gear for the story. I don't like 2677 02:09:16.720 --> 02:09:19.279 sneaking around because I'm bad at it, and the Last 2678 02:09:19.319 --> 02:09:21.039 of Us I don't consider a stealth game. But like 2679 02:09:21.079 --> 02:09:23.359 what Mike was saying about, like the stealth mechanics and everything, 2680 02:09:23.640 --> 02:09:26.840 I think the actual stealth gameplay is better in the 2681 02:09:26.880 --> 02:09:28.960 Last of Us than I have seen in Metal Gear 2682 02:09:29.039 --> 02:09:30.479 or Splinter Cell or Assassin's Screed. 2683 02:09:31.119 --> 02:09:32.239 It's fucking awesome. 2684 02:09:32.279 --> 02:09:35.039 For that sun and I also don't consider myself someone 2685 02:09:35.039 --> 02:09:37.840 who likes stories in video games for the most part, 2686 02:09:38.319 --> 02:09:40.600 and the Last of Us specifically that first one. Actually 2687 02:09:40.600 --> 02:09:42.760 I like two as well, but that first one especially, 2688 02:09:43.279 --> 02:09:46.079 I remember being like invested. You know, normally cut se 2689 02:09:46.159 --> 02:09:48.359 time is like all right, I'm like half paying attention 2690 02:09:48.640 --> 02:09:50.640 with most games. This one I was like by the end, 2691 02:09:50.800 --> 02:09:53.359 I was like god damn, and yeah that last line 2692 02:09:53.479 --> 02:09:56.079 and going to credits is just like, would you say it's. 2693 02:09:55.880 --> 02:09:59.920 A more gripping story than a metal Gear No, let's. 2694 02:09:59.760 --> 02:10:00.840 Say absolutely not. 2695 02:10:01.439 --> 02:10:03.319 I think it's more grounded than a metal gear literally 2696 02:10:03.319 --> 02:10:05.239 by definitely, like metal gear is just such more like 2697 02:10:05.800 --> 02:10:08.359 big scale and like it's. 2698 02:10:08.399 --> 02:10:11.640 President Baby is winking at me. Yeah there's like. 2699 02:10:13.279 --> 02:10:17.079 Yeah, yeah, whatever, I mean it not. 2700 02:10:17.720 --> 02:10:18.319 On this list. 2701 02:10:19.119 --> 02:10:22.119 I do think Middle Yourselid is the best story ever 2702 02:10:22.439 --> 02:10:26.119 told across any medium. I do believe that Mike's eyes 2703 02:10:26.239 --> 02:10:28.199 just about popped out of his head. But like, yes, 2704 02:10:28.239 --> 02:10:29.520 I do think it is the best story in the 2705 02:10:29.640 --> 02:10:30.119 history of. 2706 02:10:31.760 --> 02:10:32.439 In his grave. 2707 02:10:34.560 --> 02:10:40.359 Yeah story ever, yeah, yeah, to your point last yeah, no, no, no, 2708 02:10:40.600 --> 02:10:41.199 it's all the same. 2709 02:10:41.239 --> 02:10:43.800 Like I I do really respect the Last of Us. 2710 02:10:43.920 --> 02:10:44.960 I did really enjoy it. 2711 02:10:45.079 --> 02:10:47.319 And I don't think the winner of this should be like, 2712 02:10:47.760 --> 02:10:49.880 you know, just because I go back to Mario three 2713 02:10:50.119 --> 02:10:53.560 like twice a month for my entire life doesn't necessarily 2714 02:10:53.640 --> 02:10:55.720 mean it's better or worse than a game that I 2715 02:10:55.760 --> 02:10:58.039 played in twenty thirteen and haven't thought about that much 2716 02:10:58.119 --> 02:11:02.359 since it's not about replayability. And I'm also not saying 2717 02:11:02.359 --> 02:11:05.520 that the House is better than Mario. It helps, you know, 2718 02:11:05.640 --> 02:11:08.479 my vote is Mario three for the record, but it's. 2719 02:11:08.279 --> 02:11:10.680 All to say we know, we've heard you. Yeah, I'm 2720 02:11:10.680 --> 02:11:12.439 not going to put up a stink about Last of 2721 02:11:12.520 --> 02:11:13.399 Us if that's where this goes. 2722 02:11:14.359 --> 02:11:15.720 I love the stealth in the Last of Us because 2723 02:11:15.760 --> 02:11:17.760 it actually feels it's not a lot of games are like, oh, 2724 02:11:17.800 --> 02:11:19.399 you have the option to go stealth. The option to 2725 02:11:19.439 --> 02:11:21.159 go allows like no Last of Us is like stealth 2726 02:11:21.239 --> 02:11:24.039 is a necessity until it's not an option anymore. 2727 02:11:24.439 --> 02:11:26.880 And then the way it transitions into like oh ship 2728 02:11:26.920 --> 02:11:30.000 that caught me, like here's a brick, fuck you, it 2729 02:11:30.119 --> 02:11:30.920 was really good. 2730 02:11:30.840 --> 02:11:34.279 Yeah yeah, Or here's a Molotov cocktail. His friend's on 2731 02:11:34.359 --> 02:11:37.199 fire and now he's freaking out even though yeah it's 2732 02:11:37.239 --> 02:11:37.720 fucking good. 2733 02:11:38.399 --> 02:11:43.039 Yeah, Well we're gonna need to make a call. So 2734 02:11:43.239 --> 02:11:46.239 I'm going to say, okay, I'm going to say the 2735 02:11:46.279 --> 02:11:46.560 Last of. 2736 02:11:46.600 --> 02:11:48.760 Us all right, fair enough. 2737 02:11:50.760 --> 02:11:52.399 If that was the last most Part two versus well, 2738 02:11:52.399 --> 02:11:54.560 I didn't nominate it, but like if it came, I wouldn't. 2739 02:11:54.560 --> 02:11:56.640 I would have gone Mario. But last week I agree 2740 02:11:56.760 --> 02:11:57.319 so much better. 2741 02:11:57.800 --> 02:12:01.439 Part two is like so stressful Part one or Last of. 2742 02:12:01.439 --> 02:12:02.319 Us too long. 2743 02:12:02.600 --> 02:12:08.239 I also don't think they should have so exhausted Gears 2744 02:12:08.319 --> 02:12:11.239 five like those Open World Last. 2745 02:12:11.159 --> 02:12:15.720 Of Us wins against Super Mario Brothers three. Our next matchup, 2746 02:12:18.079 --> 02:12:24.560 Left for Dead two versus Resident Evil remake, Oh fun, 2747 02:12:24.680 --> 02:12:29.520 this one, This one is my sadness. Left for Dead 2748 02:12:29.560 --> 02:12:33.600 two is extremely important to me. It is absolutely like, 2749 02:12:33.680 --> 02:12:37.520 when it comes to horror genre, the best multiplayer like 2750 02:12:37.760 --> 02:12:42.520 stress them zombie game I've ever played. And I didn't 2751 02:12:42.560 --> 02:12:45.319 play Resident Evil until later in my life. So my 2752 02:12:45.560 --> 02:12:50.319 experiences with what's the perfect zombie game, it's It's Left 2753 02:12:50.359 --> 02:12:53.199 for Dead too, and it always is Left for Dead too. 2754 02:12:53.279 --> 02:12:57.319 It is just this iconic team based zombie game. It 2755 02:12:57.479 --> 02:13:01.640 stresses you out. There's so many good moments of camaraderie 2756 02:13:01.800 --> 02:13:05.199 figuring out, like going against your first witch, hitting your 2757 02:13:05.239 --> 02:13:08.720 first parked car and having the alarm go off, getting 2758 02:13:08.720 --> 02:13:11.159 all the gas canisters in the mall while things are 2759 02:13:11.279 --> 02:13:17.319 absolutely going to shit really hype you up. And I feel, 2760 02:13:17.359 --> 02:13:20.680 really this is a really tough one for me. I 2761 02:13:20.720 --> 02:13:22.439 feel really strongly about Left for Dead two, but I 2762 02:13:22.520 --> 02:13:24.680 mean I Resident Evil remake. 2763 02:13:25.039 --> 02:13:26.479 How did the two zombie games? 2764 02:13:27.640 --> 02:13:31.399 Yeah, Left four Dead and Left for Dead two is 2765 02:13:31.760 --> 02:13:32.720 a the director. 2766 02:13:33.039 --> 02:13:36.479 The AI system they use to control the flow of 2767 02:13:36.560 --> 02:13:39.520 things is just still no idea. How the fuck you 2768 02:13:39.600 --> 02:13:40.560 even make something like that? 2769 02:13:40.720 --> 02:13:41.000 And two? 2770 02:13:42.600 --> 02:13:45.159 Left for Dead and one and two, which kind of 2771 02:13:45.199 --> 02:13:49.239 might as well be one thing, are like the most 2772 02:13:49.319 --> 02:13:51.760 difficult games to talk about what makes them feel so 2773 02:13:51.880 --> 02:13:54.279 good because they're so simple on the surface and the 2774 02:13:54.800 --> 02:14:00.239 immediate moment to moment gameplay is so seems simple. But 2775 02:14:01.319 --> 02:14:03.439 people are still modding Left for Dead too, A shit 2776 02:14:03.479 --> 02:14:05.800 ton of people still play that game over Back for Blood, 2777 02:14:05.880 --> 02:14:07.960 and there's like videos you could see the comparisons, like 2778 02:14:08.600 --> 02:14:11.359 here's why that minu shaw matters in how you can 2779 02:14:11.439 --> 02:14:13.000 destroy things in a room and Left for Dead and 2780 02:14:13.119 --> 02:14:15.840 why the bullets hitting a zombie this way make it 2781 02:14:15.960 --> 02:14:19.319 feel just satisfying to play, and how ducking and shooting 2782 02:14:19.399 --> 02:14:22.560 just over characters head. It's it's really hard to put 2783 02:14:22.600 --> 02:14:24.560 into words, and I'm clearly not good at it, but 2784 02:14:25.399 --> 02:14:28.520 that game is just still even like Zombie aside from 2785 02:14:28.640 --> 02:14:30.520 Zombies and co op, it's just one of the best 2786 02:14:31.159 --> 02:14:33.560 feeling shooters ever. 2787 02:14:34.279 --> 02:14:38.119 It's I truly want I want to see like a video. 2788 02:14:38.159 --> 02:14:40.000 I say that breaks down what makes it so good 2789 02:14:40.079 --> 02:14:42.399 on a you know, on a nuanced level, because I 2790 02:14:42.399 --> 02:14:45.000 don't fully understand it, but it still feels amazing to 2791 02:14:45.079 --> 02:14:46.000 jump back into today. 2792 02:14:47.439 --> 02:14:48.800 But Resume Will Remake, Oh my god. 2793 02:14:49.600 --> 02:14:52.960 Yeah, Dan, I'm curious where you are. Yeah, I put 2794 02:14:53.119 --> 02:14:57.079 Left for Dead and you put Resident Evil Remake. I'm 2795 02:14:57.119 --> 02:15:00.720 with you on another Resident Evil, but REMA is still 2796 02:15:00.760 --> 02:15:04.600 a little rough for me. It's obviously phenomenal, but it 2797 02:15:05.039 --> 02:15:07.319 actually I think it was my favorite of all the 2798 02:15:07.560 --> 02:15:08.920 Resident Evils. 2799 02:15:08.720 --> 02:15:09.640 Which kind of funny. 2800 02:15:09.640 --> 02:15:11.880 I think I'm backtracking a little bit. Resident Evil is 2801 02:15:12.000 --> 02:15:16.199 like Remake specifically, is like very iconic and very important. 2802 02:15:16.479 --> 02:15:17.159 I think I just have. 2803 02:15:18.680 --> 02:15:20.640 This is really hard. The Left for Dead. I have 2804 02:15:20.720 --> 02:15:22.359 like a lot of good memories with Mike and I 2805 02:15:22.439 --> 02:15:24.800 have some of the best memories at my time at 2806 02:15:24.840 --> 02:15:28.399 game Spot and beyond playing Resident Evil, so I would 2807 02:15:28.439 --> 02:15:30.199 be really happy with both of these, and it guts 2808 02:15:30.279 --> 02:15:32.880 me that one of these won't get through. I'm curious, Dan, 2809 02:15:33.039 --> 02:15:34.000 like where you are on this. 2810 02:15:34.399 --> 02:15:36.600 I'm I'm coming from the place where it's like, I 2811 02:15:36.760 --> 02:15:39.039 was never a big zombie game guy, but like I 2812 02:15:39.119 --> 02:15:41.840 did like Resident Evil quite a bit, and I did, like, 2813 02:15:42.000 --> 02:15:43.880 I think there's two games that I liked a lot, 2814 02:15:44.079 --> 02:15:47.159 and I've played both of these games a lot. I 2815 02:15:47.399 --> 02:15:50.279 was never a fanatic about either of them. I think 2816 02:15:50.359 --> 02:15:54.520 my appreciation for ARI grew over time, and my first 2817 02:15:54.520 --> 02:15:57.000 time actually playing through the remake was they you know, 2818 02:15:57.119 --> 02:16:00.159 probably like fifteen twenty sixteen, they put it on Steam. Like, 2819 02:16:00.560 --> 02:16:03.000 I actually like tank controls. I was never an anti 2820 02:16:03.079 --> 02:16:04.840 tank control person, but I just say that it was 2821 02:16:04.880 --> 02:16:06.800 the remake where they took that, they made that an 2822 02:16:06.840 --> 02:16:09.840 option to do normal stuff, and I did that once. 2823 02:16:09.880 --> 02:16:11.439 Then I was like, oh wait, I totally see why 2824 02:16:11.439 --> 02:16:14.680 they do tank controls going back to that. But I 2825 02:16:15.439 --> 02:16:18.760 think that is, you know, until the last five years, 2826 02:16:18.840 --> 02:16:20.359 I think it was a no brainer for the best 2827 02:16:20.399 --> 02:16:22.800 remake of all time as far as that Ari remake 2828 02:16:23.079 --> 02:16:24.760 and the fact that that first time they put it 2829 02:16:24.800 --> 02:16:27.640 out in what O two or whatever, which was a 2830 02:16:27.720 --> 02:16:29.760 few year, like what ninety six to two, not that 2831 02:16:29.920 --> 02:16:33.440 much time between it, because like, yeah, Ari one came 2832 02:16:33.479 --> 02:16:35.840 out ninety six set to ninety eighty one, Yeah, and 2833 02:16:35.920 --> 02:16:39.479 the GameCube Ari remake was two in that time. I'm 2834 02:16:39.479 --> 02:16:41.719 reer seeing screenshots of it in magazines and being like, 2835 02:16:41.760 --> 02:16:42.559 that's not possible. 2836 02:16:42.600 --> 02:16:43.079 There's no way. 2837 02:16:43.159 --> 02:16:45.520 The fucking candles looked that good, Like the lighting, like 2838 02:16:45.760 --> 02:16:49.840 it just looked insane. And it was so faithful to 2839 02:16:50.399 --> 02:16:52.840 all of the things that made the original one just 2840 02:16:53.200 --> 02:16:57.040 six years prior so great and just objectively made everything 2841 02:16:57.200 --> 02:17:00.520 so much better, and not just it's not just the 2842 02:17:00.600 --> 02:17:04.200 remaster treatment. It is the fully like we are changing puzzles, 2843 02:17:04.239 --> 02:17:06.920 we are adding entire parts of this game that were 2844 02:17:06.959 --> 02:17:08.639 not there before that we're maybe alluded to in a 2845 02:17:08.719 --> 02:17:11.120 note or something with Lisa. 2846 02:17:11.600 --> 02:17:14.879 That shit was awesome. It was like Left for Dead. 2847 02:17:14.959 --> 02:17:18.159 I think was a very impressive, especially for its time 2848 02:17:18.479 --> 02:17:20.319 online co op game where you didn't see a lot 2849 02:17:20.360 --> 02:17:22.440 of stuff doing what it was doing. Mike, you mentioned 2850 02:17:22.479 --> 02:17:25.600 the director tech and like that really was like, holy shit. 2851 02:17:25.680 --> 02:17:27.639 For a game where you only have a limited amount 2852 02:17:27.799 --> 02:17:30.399 of kind of space and objectives and stuff, that's how 2853 02:17:30.440 --> 02:17:32.920 you keep it fresh, is like each play through is 2854 02:17:32.959 --> 02:17:35.719 different because it is throwing different stuff at you every time. 2855 02:17:36.079 --> 02:17:39.959 That was brilliant. So but ultimately, I I think I 2856 02:17:40.040 --> 02:17:41.799 have to go with remake. I think it was just such. 2857 02:17:41.959 --> 02:17:43.879 It is one of the best remakes of all time 2858 02:17:44.319 --> 02:17:46.719 and even just standing on its own, uh what a 2859 02:17:46.840 --> 02:17:47.879 what a tremendous achievement. 2860 02:17:49.040 --> 02:17:50.520 I think it's one of the best remakes all time 2861 02:17:50.639 --> 02:17:52.440 until two. 2862 02:17:52.799 --> 02:17:57.360 Yeah, and for the series is really caking games. 2863 02:17:58.200 --> 02:18:02.079 Yeah yeah, I mentioned met Oh wait are we is 2864 02:18:02.120 --> 02:18:03.079 this decided? 2865 02:18:03.200 --> 02:18:03.520 Or Mary? 2866 02:18:03.559 --> 02:18:05.680 You're still fighting Left for Dead. I'm not going to 2867 02:18:05.760 --> 02:18:09.479 fight that, Okay, cool, I'll save this for the Sweet sixteen. 2868 02:18:09.559 --> 02:18:13.879 Then Resident and Evil remake wins Over Left for Dead too. 2869 02:18:13.920 --> 02:18:16.760 I think the reason is is because like this is 2870 02:18:17.200 --> 02:18:20.000 very justified to me, Like all of the arguments so far, 2871 02:18:20.159 --> 02:18:22.639 it's like I just can't I can't argue with any 2872 02:18:22.680 --> 02:18:25.000 of these things. So yeah, I also think it's a 2873 02:18:25.040 --> 02:18:27.280 two v one already, so it's like it is what 2874 02:18:27.399 --> 02:18:32.719 it is. Resident Evil Remake wins Over Left for Dead. Next, 2875 02:18:32.879 --> 02:18:39.000 this one's for you, Mike, Bloodborne versus Ratchet and Clank 2876 02:18:39.440 --> 02:18:40.440 going Commando. 2877 02:18:43.959 --> 02:18:47.200 I'll go blood Born, but I've got I've gotta go 2878 02:18:47.280 --> 02:18:50.239 blood Born, but I've dan I think you might be interested. 2879 02:18:50.280 --> 02:18:51.799 I think most of the time me and you talked 2880 02:18:51.799 --> 02:18:54.799 about our favorite Wratchet Clank James, it was up your. 2881 02:18:54.760 --> 02:18:55.239 Arsenal was up. 2882 02:18:55.280 --> 02:18:56.879 Your arsenal was my mine was forever two and I 2883 02:18:56.959 --> 02:18:58.600 went back and replayed them all like two years ago, 2884 02:18:58.639 --> 02:19:01.799 three years ago. I think Going Commando is actually the 2885 02:19:01.920 --> 02:19:08.200 sweet spot between that more traditional three D platformer over 2886 02:19:08.319 --> 02:19:10.479 world design and you're still kind of plaffering up your 2887 02:19:10.559 --> 02:19:12.000 arsenal has a lot of that, like they were almost 2888 02:19:12.040 --> 02:19:15.200 trying to go more shooter. You pick a mission, you 2889 02:19:15.280 --> 02:19:18.440 drop in, and then you fight through some stuff. Going Commando, 2890 02:19:18.479 --> 02:19:21.079 I think is I honestly think the peak would maybe 2891 02:19:21.200 --> 02:19:27.559 be the PS three trilogy Crack and Time, Tools and 2892 02:19:27.600 --> 02:19:31.319 Distructions and Destruction. Yeah, there's only two, and then there 2893 02:19:31.440 --> 02:19:33.680 was there was something Booty. 2894 02:19:34.440 --> 02:19:35.040 Question for Booty. 2895 02:19:35.280 --> 02:19:38.680 They're all there, a lot of them are innuendo. But 2896 02:19:39.000 --> 02:19:42.360 Going Commando, I think is my h like I said, 2897 02:19:42.559 --> 02:19:45.040 my sweet spot for like the old and new Ratchet 2898 02:19:45.079 --> 02:19:48.040 and Clank direction and Rift Apart was awesome on PS 2899 02:19:48.079 --> 02:19:51.959 five a couple of years ago, but no, Going Demando 2900 02:19:52.000 --> 02:19:55.440 is the weapon design, like how creative Insomniac got and 2901 02:19:55.879 --> 02:19:59.120 the world design, how it blended the platforming and the 2902 02:19:59.200 --> 02:20:04.159 exploration and the gunplay. It took me, Oh, this is 2903 02:20:04.319 --> 02:20:06.760 actually I told you an answer for that email we 2904 02:20:06.840 --> 02:20:10.920 got where I wouldn't remember, we couldn't remember some little 2905 02:20:11.000 --> 02:20:13.000 feature in a game that made us completely play it 2906 02:20:13.079 --> 02:20:15.319 differently that someone like to tell us about. My cousin 2907 02:20:15.399 --> 02:20:19.280 told me there was a whole other targeting aiming set 2908 02:20:19.360 --> 02:20:22.520 up in Going Commando that was not default, because Going 2909 02:20:22.559 --> 02:20:28.000 Commando used the free aim like you shot whichever direction 2910 02:20:28.159 --> 02:20:30.879 Ratchet was aiming of the first game, but there was 2911 02:20:30.920 --> 02:20:33.239 an option that actually made it more like up your 2912 02:20:33.280 --> 02:20:34.879 arsenal before up your Arsenal came out, where it was 2913 02:20:34.959 --> 02:20:38.559 more traditional you aim, he aims where the camera's looking, 2914 02:20:39.040 --> 02:20:40.000 if that makes any sense. 2915 02:20:40.079 --> 02:20:41.719 So it was way easier to aim and shoot, and 2916 02:20:41.840 --> 02:20:44.639 that change how I play the game. But yeah, no, 2917 02:20:45.559 --> 02:20:46.559 I'm going Bloodborne. 2918 02:20:46.639 --> 02:20:49.879 I don't even I don't necessarily unless anybody else objects 2919 02:20:49.920 --> 02:20:50.520 to Bloodborne. 2920 02:20:50.639 --> 02:20:54.159 I I've definitely spent more time thinking about and playing 2921 02:20:54.440 --> 02:20:58.200 ratching clank games, and I Bloodborne was the first Rumsoft 2922 02:20:58.239 --> 02:21:01.280 game I actually beat, you know, like I respected Dark 2923 02:21:01.360 --> 02:21:03.680 Souls and Damon Souls from Afar, but like I would 2924 02:21:03.719 --> 02:21:07.000 play like five ten hours and be like, ah, I'm good. 2925 02:21:07.120 --> 02:21:08.200 I don't really know what I'm doing here. 2926 02:21:08.559 --> 02:21:11.520 Uh. Bloodborne was like, oh shit, okay, this one was 2927 02:21:11.840 --> 02:21:12.399 so luch. 2928 02:21:12.360 --> 02:21:14.120 Like for me too. It's the first one where I 2929 02:21:14.239 --> 02:21:17.079 was like, I get how these games are meant to 2930 02:21:17.239 --> 02:21:17.920 make you feel. 2931 02:21:18.440 --> 02:21:20.840 Yeah, it was undeniable, and I do feel like that 2932 02:21:20.920 --> 02:21:22.520 has been on my shortlist of games I want to 2933 02:21:22.639 --> 02:21:24.879 go back to because I think when I did play it, 2934 02:21:25.120 --> 02:21:28.760 I just didn't really have that language of how those 2935 02:21:28.799 --> 02:21:30.479 games work. But now that I've spent so much time 2936 02:21:30.520 --> 02:21:32.680 playing like elden Ring and even like you know, Armored 2937 02:21:32.719 --> 02:21:34.760 Core or whatever you know, or Secio, I think if 2938 02:21:34.760 --> 02:21:37.440 I went back to Bloodborne now, I would just because 2939 02:21:37.479 --> 02:21:40.120 I understand from games more than I did back then. 2940 02:21:40.159 --> 02:21:41.200 I think I'd enjoy it more. 2941 02:21:42.520 --> 02:21:45.079 I just think there's more going on there, like ratting 2942 02:21:45.159 --> 02:21:46.879 You know you said ice cream earlier when it comes 2943 02:21:46.920 --> 02:21:50.520 to Mario Mary and Uh, I think ratching Klink is 2944 02:21:50.719 --> 02:21:51.840 fantastic ice cream. 2945 02:21:52.319 --> 02:21:57.040 I think Bloodborne is a Mike say a fancy wine. 2946 02:21:58.360 --> 02:22:01.879 U Bloodborne, I'd say it's like an arm. 2947 02:22:03.600 --> 02:22:06.079 I take it back all right, Bloodborne's really good. I'll 2948 02:22:06.159 --> 02:22:07.280 vote for Bloodborne. 2949 02:22:07.479 --> 02:22:10.920 All right, Bloodborne wins over Ratchet and Clank going Commando, 2950 02:22:11.159 --> 02:22:15.319 I will agree. I think that is a fair cool. Okay, uh, 2951 02:22:15.520 --> 02:22:17.520 this next one, are. 2952 02:22:17.440 --> 02:22:21.159 We out of the first round yet? No? No, although 2953 02:22:21.200 --> 02:22:23.680 it goes much faster because like a lot of arguments, 2954 02:22:24.559 --> 02:22:24.879 a lot. 2955 02:22:24.799 --> 02:22:25.799 Of arguments have been made. 2956 02:22:25.959 --> 02:22:26.520 But we'll see. 2957 02:22:26.559 --> 02:22:29.360 Because this yeah, we still have like ten more games, 2958 02:22:29.600 --> 02:22:29.799 and you. 2959 02:22:29.760 --> 02:22:31.200 Already killed Metal Year, which is the one I'd be 2960 02:22:31.239 --> 02:22:33.479 talking about the most. So yeah, and there's no more 2961 02:22:33.520 --> 02:22:34.120 Metal games. 2962 02:22:34.159 --> 02:22:37.760 It was a beautiful victory. Actually, think we have like 2963 02:22:37.799 --> 02:22:43.399 eight more matchups. Okay, Uncharted Too versus Soul Caliber. 2964 02:22:43.959 --> 02:22:45.760 Fuck all right, Look when. 2965 02:22:45.719 --> 02:22:48.680 You said Uncharted too, I was like, great, I can 2966 02:22:48.760 --> 02:22:51.159 be the champion for this game that I think people 2967 02:22:51.200 --> 02:22:52.840 forgot about how fucking good. 2968 02:22:54.159 --> 02:22:54.920 A lot of people did. 2969 02:22:55.319 --> 02:22:57.719 People don't give the credit. Uncharted two came out with 2970 02:22:57.799 --> 02:23:00.760 twenty ten or whatever. It was ridiculu, especially for someone 2971 02:23:00.799 --> 02:23:03.399 who loves like, you know, y octane action bullshit. The 2972 02:23:03.479 --> 02:23:06.360 train sequence and everything just unmatched the time. So I 2973 02:23:06.559 --> 02:23:09.079 was ready to go to bat and be like I'm 2974 02:23:09.120 --> 02:23:11.600 gonna champion on Turn It two. But then you said 2975 02:23:11.680 --> 02:23:14.399 soul Caliber. Fuck everything else, my vote soul Caliber. 2976 02:23:15.159 --> 02:23:17.879 Okay, do you have anything else to add to why 2977 02:23:18.000 --> 02:23:18.719 soul Caliber? 2978 02:23:19.399 --> 02:23:19.600 Yes? 2979 02:23:19.719 --> 02:23:22.760 It is a because I like fighting games a lot, 2980 02:23:23.399 --> 02:23:26.840 but I've never been like competitive in terms of like, like, 2981 02:23:26.959 --> 02:23:28.920 you know, I like Moral Combat because the characters and 2982 02:23:28.920 --> 02:23:31.040 special moves and fatalities are all cool. I like Street 2983 02:23:31.040 --> 02:23:32.479 Fighter because it's a fun thing to do with your friends. 2984 02:23:32.760 --> 02:23:35.719 I never wanted to be like, oh, let's really seriously 2985 02:23:35.760 --> 02:23:37.520 learn this and get competitive and go to EVO or 2986 02:23:37.799 --> 02:23:41.159 rank up online with fighting games. Uh So, soul Caliber 2987 02:23:41.600 --> 02:23:44.639 was the one where it's like, god damn, it was 2988 02:23:45.000 --> 02:23:47.639 so good. If you wanted to be that competitive level player, 2989 02:23:47.959 --> 02:23:50.239 you could dig super deep into the training mode and 2990 02:23:50.280 --> 02:23:52.719 command lists and all that stuff and learn each character. 2991 02:23:53.040 --> 02:23:55.760 But also if you wanted to play way more casually, 2992 02:23:55.799 --> 02:23:58.399 which is the way I typically played fighting games, you 2993 02:23:58.479 --> 02:24:00.280 could go in there and it was the king of like, 2994 02:24:00.399 --> 02:24:02.079 you know, you jam on X and Y a little bit, 2995 02:24:02.120 --> 02:24:03.879 you block some things, and you're gonna do some really 2996 02:24:03.959 --> 02:24:06.239 cool looking shit and it feels awesome. It feels like 2997 02:24:06.440 --> 02:24:09.040 it's not playing for you, but you could just do 2998 02:24:09.200 --> 02:24:11.840 a lot more cool shit by kind of hitting buttons 2999 02:24:12.120 --> 02:24:15.079 than you could in a street fighter or something like that. 3000 02:24:16.200 --> 02:24:19.280 But I loved it so much that I wanted to 3001 02:24:19.440 --> 02:24:21.280 go the extra step, and so I went in and 3002 02:24:21.399 --> 02:24:24.239 like every single fucking character in Soul Caliber, I went 3003 02:24:24.399 --> 02:24:26.879 move by move in the command list and learned every 3004 02:24:27.079 --> 02:24:28.799 single thing. It is the game I have played the 3005 02:24:28.840 --> 02:24:31.920 most in my entire life. I've our count out. Soul 3006 02:24:32.000 --> 02:24:35.520 Caliber is number one for me, without a doubt, and 3007 02:24:35.639 --> 02:24:37.680 I didn't expect that because again, it was never competitive 3008 02:24:37.719 --> 02:24:39.719 level fighting game player. But it was just so good 3009 02:24:40.120 --> 02:24:42.760 and so fun that it's like I want to learn 3010 02:24:42.799 --> 02:24:45.559 every fucking character. And there was such a ride with 3011 02:24:45.639 --> 02:24:47.639 that where it's like, oh, at first Keelick was my guy, 3012 02:24:47.879 --> 02:24:50.440 but then I start really learning like Mitsurugi or Taki 3013 02:24:50.520 --> 02:24:54.639 or a Nightmare, and it's like the depth matters, Like yeah, yeah, 3014 02:24:54.639 --> 02:24:57.959 I what's the what's the phrase? It's it's something something deep, 3015 02:24:58.040 --> 02:25:00.959 something wide, whatever it is. It can be as shallow 3016 02:25:01.079 --> 02:25:02.680 or as deep as you want it to be. It 3017 02:25:02.760 --> 02:25:07.440 can be no, baby, wow, that's all that's Jesus. 3018 02:25:07.479 --> 02:25:08.600 As deep as you're willing to go. 3019 02:25:09.639 --> 02:25:11.399 You can be drunk in a dorm room, mashed on 3020 02:25:11.440 --> 02:25:14.159 the Dreamcast controller and having a great time, or. 3021 02:25:16.000 --> 02:25:18.000 We didn't buy shallow dish dot com. 3022 02:25:19.559 --> 02:25:19.879 Or you can. 3023 02:25:20.000 --> 02:25:22.319 You can spend hundred hours learning every character and it's 3024 02:25:22.440 --> 02:25:24.959 like any level in between. You were gonna have a 3025 02:25:25.000 --> 02:25:27.360 great time with that game. And another one of those 3026 02:25:27.440 --> 02:25:30.120 that I will pick up and play anytime. When we 3027 02:25:30.200 --> 02:25:33.719 did Extra Life recently, me and Manati just played a 3028 02:25:33.799 --> 02:25:35.440 good amount of it, and it's like, wow, this is 3029 02:25:35.479 --> 02:25:38.239 still like the best fighting game ever, like not even 3030 02:25:38.319 --> 02:25:41.440 just nostalgia wise, it's just no, no fighting game has 3031 02:25:41.440 --> 02:25:42.479 ever been nearly this good. 3032 02:25:42.520 --> 02:25:44.920 I think, right you put you went into your basement 3033 02:25:45.159 --> 02:25:48.600 and we had the controller. You went into your basement 3034 02:25:48.760 --> 02:25:52.079 under your studio in Connecticut, and you played me blind 3035 02:25:52.159 --> 02:25:54.719 basically while I was actually seeing the TV upstairs, and 3036 02:25:54.799 --> 02:25:58.760 you beat me. Or tonight it was like best three 3037 02:25:58.760 --> 02:25:59.920 out of five and I think I might have just 3038 02:26:00.079 --> 02:26:02.879 barely beat you and you're in your basement with the 3039 02:26:03.000 --> 02:26:04.159 remote controller. 3040 02:26:03.879 --> 02:26:07.760 Not seeing the television. Yeah, just yeah, it's man, what 3041 02:26:07.879 --> 02:26:10.159 a tremendous fucking game. Yeah, every day It's one of 3042 02:26:10.159 --> 02:26:12.000 those games. Every time I think about Soul Caliber, I 3043 02:26:12.079 --> 02:26:13.600 want to be playing Soul Caliber right now. 3044 02:26:14.079 --> 02:26:17.280 Aw, that's really moving. I have to say, Like when 3045 02:26:17.319 --> 02:26:22.520 it comes to like our list. That's a very endearing 3046 02:26:22.840 --> 02:26:28.239 pitch and I loved it fine by me, all right, yeah, 3047 02:26:29.399 --> 02:26:31.440 Soul Caliber, I mean you won me over Bud. 3048 02:26:32.079 --> 02:26:34.120 I'm such a psycho about that game that I had 3049 02:26:34.280 --> 02:26:37.440 like two hundred and fifty hours on my playtime and 3050 02:26:37.559 --> 02:26:39.120 I was so like, wow, I played this game a lot, 3051 02:26:39.399 --> 02:26:41.840 and then my VMU died my memory thing, and so 3052 02:26:41.920 --> 02:26:44.000 when I got a new one, I left it like 3053 02:26:44.120 --> 02:26:46.479 on a pause screen or in a level for two 3054 02:26:46.600 --> 02:26:48.440 hundred and fifty hours so it would be accurate. 3055 02:26:48.479 --> 02:26:53.959 Again. Wow, that's just me being an insane person. But yeah, 3056 02:26:54.000 --> 02:26:55.479 yeah it's a great game. Yeah. 3057 02:26:56.000 --> 02:27:00.719 Okay, Soul Caliber wins under over Uncharted two. Our next 3058 02:27:00.879 --> 02:27:09.000 matchup the Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time versus Halo two. 3059 02:27:11.200 --> 02:27:12.840 Okay, let's talk Halo two first. 3060 02:27:13.319 --> 02:27:17.840 I think the big Halo two is Xbox Live, and 3061 02:27:17.920 --> 02:27:19.559 I think at least for me, I don't know if 3062 02:27:19.600 --> 02:27:21.040 it was the same with both of you, but like, 3063 02:27:21.360 --> 02:27:24.959 that was that first like, oh shit, online multiplayer. You know, 3064 02:27:25.040 --> 02:27:27.639 I never had PC online multiplayers, so to me it 3065 02:27:27.680 --> 02:27:28.239 was a revelation. 3066 02:27:28.719 --> 02:27:28.920 Yeah. 3067 02:27:28.920 --> 02:27:31.040 A lot of late nights in college. 3068 02:27:31.360 --> 02:27:32.959 Parties with people in fucking China. 3069 02:27:33.239 --> 02:27:35.600 Yeah, that's what it felt like. I was like, this 3070 02:27:35.680 --> 02:27:38.040 is the future. It was tremendous. It was fucking tremendous. 3071 02:27:38.200 --> 02:27:40.319 I know the campaign was very polarizing at the time 3072 02:27:40.399 --> 02:27:42.159 and not the best ending and things like that, but 3073 02:27:42.239 --> 02:27:44.239 it is very very good. 3074 02:27:44.360 --> 02:27:46.479 Still a good campaign. I love that campaign still. It is. 3075 02:27:46.559 --> 02:27:51.920 It's fun, it's messy, but it's yeah, but Aina, it's Ackerina, 3076 02:27:56.280 --> 02:27:56.959 that's my vote. 3077 02:27:57.360 --> 02:28:02.120 Wow, what a good pitchna, Dan, do you oppose? 3078 02:28:02.959 --> 02:28:03.000 No? 3079 02:28:04.000 --> 02:28:07.319 At least some flowers to Halo two before Okarina trampled it. 3080 02:28:07.559 --> 02:28:11.840 I put Halo two because it is upwards of one 3081 02:28:11.879 --> 02:28:15.000 of the most beloved games of all time, like globally, 3082 02:28:15.280 --> 02:28:16.799 so I filled in a gap. 3083 02:28:17.600 --> 02:28:22.559 Sure, sure, good call. Okay, but Acker well, we'll probably 3084 02:28:22.680 --> 02:28:24.159 talk about Okerna more when we need to. 3085 02:28:24.280 --> 02:28:26.559 But I don't know if it's gonna make it that far. Well, 3086 02:28:26.600 --> 02:28:30.159 oh my god, I don't know. I'm joking, but maybe 3087 02:28:30.200 --> 02:28:32.719 it won't. I next round at. 3088 02:28:32.680 --> 02:28:41.360 Least next one. Uh, Hollow Night versus Shadow of the Colossus. 3089 02:28:43.120 --> 02:28:44.920 That's an interesting one. Okay. 3090 02:28:46.639 --> 02:28:46.920 Wow? 3091 02:28:48.559 --> 02:28:49.399 Can I go to Can I go? 3092 02:28:49.479 --> 02:28:51.680 Can I take a break before this because I really 3093 02:28:52.159 --> 02:28:55.399 use the bathroom? Sure, that's that's our that's our tease. 3094 02:28:56.319 --> 02:29:01.600 Okay break yeah, yeah, are and we're back for Hollow 3095 02:29:01.680 --> 02:29:03.319 Night versus Shadow of the Colossus. 3096 02:29:03.639 --> 02:29:05.680 That Shadow classis was my nomination. 3097 02:29:07.159 --> 02:29:09.920 This is not fair. I think that this is really 3098 02:29:10.000 --> 02:29:12.680 hard because they actually, shockingly they. 3099 02:29:12.440 --> 02:29:14.319 Really do have a lot in common in terms of like. 3100 02:29:14.639 --> 02:29:18.200 Being extremely innovative, where other people have like duplicated elements 3101 02:29:18.239 --> 02:29:23.559 of both of these games, the story elements, the surprise, 3102 02:29:24.479 --> 02:29:28.520 the ability to take on just incredible feats and feeling 3103 02:29:28.680 --> 02:29:31.040 so powerful by the time you're done with it. And 3104 02:29:31.159 --> 02:29:34.559 I I really also I have a massive fondness for 3105 02:29:34.639 --> 02:29:36.920 Shadow of the Classes. So this is like kind of 3106 02:29:37.040 --> 02:29:40.040 gutting for me as well. We all know where my 3107 02:29:40.280 --> 02:29:42.879 heart is going to go here. I just want to say, 3108 02:29:44.280 --> 02:29:46.680 when it comes to a game I would pick up 3109 02:29:46.719 --> 02:29:49.440 and play right now to the end of the time, 3110 02:29:50.000 --> 02:29:52.559 it's Hollow Night, because there's so much to explore in 3111 02:29:52.600 --> 02:29:55.600 that game. My only like one thing about Shadow of 3112 02:29:55.600 --> 02:29:57.799 the Colossus that I think is limiting is that there's 3113 02:29:57.840 --> 02:30:00.600 only so many COLOSSI and I I have seen them 3114 02:30:00.600 --> 02:30:02.600 and I have experienced them. But every time I go 3115 02:30:02.680 --> 02:30:05.920 into a new avenue of Hollow Night, I'm like, I 3116 02:30:06.040 --> 02:30:09.319 can't believe that there's a whole fucking beehive in this wall, 3117 02:30:09.520 --> 02:30:11.559 and that is so sick that they just keep They 3118 02:30:11.760 --> 02:30:15.600 surprise me consistently and way more than I was surprised 3119 02:30:15.719 --> 02:30:19.280 in Shadow of the Colossus. The depth of Hollow Night 3120 02:30:19.559 --> 02:30:21.959 and how much they packed into that world and each 3121 02:30:22.079 --> 02:30:24.920 area is fascinating. There's no boring area of Hollow Night. 3122 02:30:24.959 --> 02:30:28.639 It's all it's all fucking sick. The scope of that 3123 02:30:28.879 --> 02:30:31.479 game is why I have to give it to Hollow Night. 3124 02:30:31.600 --> 02:30:33.520 I can proceed, but I will stop there for now. 3125 02:30:34.040 --> 02:30:34.440 I do. 3126 02:30:34.879 --> 02:30:37.120 I think you're right about like the scope and the 3127 02:30:37.239 --> 02:30:41.239 variety and things that Hollowen has the edge over Shadow 3128 02:30:41.280 --> 02:30:43.399 of the Clauses for sure, and there are similarities. I 3129 02:30:43.440 --> 02:30:46.559 think they both do a lot of show don't tell 3130 02:30:47.079 --> 02:30:49.200 you know, as far as the world building, and you know, 3131 02:30:49.280 --> 02:30:51.239 even like the vibe of the games is kind of 3132 02:30:51.319 --> 02:30:53.559 just like vaguely sad and. 3133 02:30:55.239 --> 02:30:58.239 Yeah, yeah, yeah decrepit world or like maybe like once 3134 02:30:58.559 --> 02:31:02.479 was has collapsed now you're seeing the ruins of it. Yeah, 3135 02:31:02.520 --> 02:31:04.479 they have a lot and it's weird. They actually have 3136 02:31:04.520 --> 02:31:04.879 a lot in. 3137 02:31:04.920 --> 02:31:08.079 Common, even though yeah, the games themselves where it's like 3138 02:31:08.159 --> 02:31:10.680 Hollow Night is a Metroidvaniace. Shadow of Glosses is like 3139 02:31:10.799 --> 02:31:12.840 I always compared Chat of the Classes to punch Out, 3140 02:31:12.920 --> 02:31:13.360 where it's like. 3141 02:31:13.360 --> 02:31:15.760 It's like Boss Rush sixteen boss fights. Not a rush, 3142 02:31:15.840 --> 02:31:17.360 but like boss yeah, sixteen boss. 3143 02:31:17.399 --> 02:31:19.440 It's true, but the traveling to the bosses is so 3144 02:31:20.200 --> 02:31:25.360 poetic and it's deep. You think and and a lot 3145 02:31:25.399 --> 02:31:28.040 about yourself. You bond with your horse and develop a 3146 02:31:28.079 --> 02:31:30.719 relationship with your horse, which comes into play, like I think. 3147 02:31:32.799 --> 02:31:34.879 The most interesting video game character of all time according 3148 02:31:34.879 --> 02:31:38.639 to Ben Hanson, Agro the Horse. Yes, he believes Agro 3149 02:31:38.760 --> 02:31:41.559 the Horse is the most interesting video game character of 3150 02:31:41.600 --> 02:31:41.920 all time. 3151 02:31:41.959 --> 02:31:43.159 But we don't need to unpack that. 3152 02:31:44.040 --> 02:31:44.959 Has he met Roach? 3153 02:31:46.639 --> 02:31:50.200 No, it's Agro. Yeah, ever a big boss and everyone there's. 3154 02:31:50.000 --> 02:31:53.760 Weird, like not even characters. There's more interesting horses in games. 3155 02:31:54.079 --> 02:31:55.280 Oh I I'm with you. 3156 02:31:56.680 --> 02:31:59.239 Yeah, I you were talking about how poetic it can be. 3157 02:31:59.399 --> 02:32:01.280 Just get from play is the place in that you 3158 02:32:01.399 --> 02:32:03.600 come up to some bosses. The more the more bosses 3159 02:32:03.639 --> 02:32:06.000 you fell, the more you come up and you're like. 3160 02:32:07.040 --> 02:32:11.000 This fucking bird was just like minding its own business 3161 02:32:11.360 --> 02:32:15.639 in this lake, in this gorgeous forlorn lonely place and 3162 02:32:15.719 --> 02:32:18.680 I'm kind of come in and just kill him because my. 3163 02:32:20.680 --> 02:32:21.680 Little human. 3164 02:32:23.559 --> 02:32:29.440 Needs needs the Colossus souls. But yeah, god, you get 3165 02:32:29.479 --> 02:32:32.559 to some of those environments, it's just like it feel 3166 02:32:32.680 --> 02:32:36.040 it truly feels like no one has set foot in 3167 02:32:36.159 --> 02:32:40.120 that temple where you fight the monkey boss in like Millennia, 3168 02:32:40.760 --> 02:32:44.760 that game I mentioned Metroid Prime and then Resuvill Remake 3169 02:32:45.200 --> 02:32:47.879 and Shadow the Colossus, three games that just they they 3170 02:32:48.000 --> 02:32:51.159 understand how to create atmosphere in a way that no 3171 02:32:51.280 --> 02:32:56.559 other games do, and there's got like it's it's feels 3172 02:32:56.559 --> 02:32:58.399 so weird to say Shadow the Colossus is some of 3173 02:32:58.440 --> 02:33:00.360 the best boss fights ever because of course it's it's 3174 02:33:00.360 --> 02:33:02.559 built around it. It's you know, it's it's Ueida doing 3175 02:33:03.479 --> 02:33:05.440 Uda and co. 3176 02:33:05.719 --> 02:33:06.200 Doing their thing. 3177 02:33:06.280 --> 02:33:06.520 But like. 3178 02:33:08.120 --> 02:33:10.840 The Bird, especially when you first realize, like, oh man, 3179 02:33:10.879 --> 02:33:13.399 he's swooping right down over that platform, there's no way, 3180 02:33:13.559 --> 02:33:15.920 Oh he's got fur on his shoulders like above the 3181 02:33:16.040 --> 02:33:18.920 w am I gonna just get pulverized if I try it. 3182 02:33:18.959 --> 02:33:20.319 And then you jump and you grab the fur and 3183 02:33:20.399 --> 02:33:22.360 it starts soaring up and you're holding out for deer 3184 02:33:22.440 --> 02:33:23.239 life and your music. 3185 02:33:23.360 --> 02:33:24.440 Yeah, the music, like. 3186 02:33:24.559 --> 02:33:28.239 Crescendos even that, and that's one of sixteen. There are 3187 02:33:28.280 --> 02:33:30.559 a couple in there that I actually I replayed with 3188 02:33:30.600 --> 02:33:33.719 the remaster. I'm like, those were not great, but the 3189 02:33:33.799 --> 02:33:36.959 fact that they tried that in I don't I'm pretty 3190 02:33:37.040 --> 02:33:39.559 sure I could be mistaken. I think the first God 3191 02:33:39.639 --> 02:33:43.200 of War came out not far from Shadow of the Colossus. 3192 02:33:43.799 --> 02:33:48.840 Oh five yeah, Yeah? Were they both? Five? Yeah? 3193 02:33:48.959 --> 02:33:51.200 And I played both of those in like back to 3194 02:33:51.280 --> 02:33:53.239 back weeks, and like, holy shit, you cannot have two 3195 02:33:53.319 --> 02:33:56.840 more different games. The fact that it is empty is 3196 02:33:56.879 --> 02:33:58.959 almost like more impressive to me than if they stuffed 3197 02:33:59.000 --> 02:34:01.200 it chock full of things like a lot of Ubisoft 3198 02:34:01.280 --> 02:34:03.719 games feel the need to do now or the last 3199 02:34:03.959 --> 02:34:08.399 fifteen years have but like yeah, and also yeah, showed 3200 02:34:08.440 --> 02:34:11.799 out and tell is spot on because like you understand 3201 02:34:11.840 --> 02:34:13.399 what the story is telling you, even though they are 3202 02:34:13.479 --> 02:34:15.280 not the only words you hear for a while, or 3203 02:34:15.360 --> 02:34:19.520 like the chanting of that like godlike thing that's narrating God. 3204 02:34:19.600 --> 02:34:23.079 The architecture and in Shadow of the Colossus is just 3205 02:34:23.440 --> 02:34:24.239 some of the best ever. 3206 02:34:25.000 --> 02:34:27.239 That game world is so unique. 3207 02:34:27.520 --> 02:34:29.760 I think it might be the most beautiful game I've 3208 02:34:29.760 --> 02:34:33.319 ever played. Yeah, graphical fidelity I'm just talking everything. 3209 02:34:33.600 --> 02:34:37.879 It's back when I cared about this kind of thing 3210 02:34:38.079 --> 02:34:39.799 that was always the game. I was like, oh, Ebert 3211 02:34:39.879 --> 02:34:43.479 needs to play Shadow to Colossus. But like that's leaving 3212 02:34:43.520 --> 02:34:46.280 aside the fact that it really does just have these 3213 02:34:46.360 --> 02:34:50.239 badass boss fights that are on a scale of like 3214 02:34:51.399 --> 02:34:54.159 you really don't see much unless it's like a like 3215 02:34:54.200 --> 02:34:57.840 an anime inspired game that's like, okay, you're like armored 3216 02:34:57.879 --> 02:34:59.680 cores or something, you're flitting around, but this is just 3217 02:34:59.760 --> 02:35:03.840 a little puny, like what seems like a teenage dude 3218 02:35:04.000 --> 02:35:06.399 trying to kill these giants. 3219 02:35:06.399 --> 02:35:09.479 And the animation of them as well, showing him fall 3220 02:35:09.680 --> 02:35:14.280 and stumble. The animation makes him feel so fallible again, 3221 02:35:14.399 --> 02:35:16.559 comparing to like an Assassin's Creed, where it's like when 3222 02:35:16.559 --> 02:35:18.840 you get hurt, he just kind of like jukes back 3223 02:35:18.920 --> 02:35:22.719 into position, but you get tossed around like a frisbee. 3224 02:35:22.840 --> 02:35:25.440 And Shadow of the Colossus. They want you to feel weak, 3225 02:35:25.799 --> 02:35:31.040 and I think it's a masterclass in character design and 3226 02:35:31.920 --> 02:35:33.360 character animation as well. 3227 02:35:33.639 --> 02:35:35.840 You feel weak and then you feel triumphant when you 3228 02:35:35.959 --> 02:35:36.879 kill it, but then it's like. 3229 02:35:38.600 --> 02:35:41.360 I feel like a bad buy. You weren't supposed to 3230 02:35:41.479 --> 02:35:41.760 do that. 3231 02:35:43.479 --> 02:35:45.680 Game where I reviewed that back in the day, and 3232 02:35:45.719 --> 02:35:47.760 I remember thinking that, like I remember in the review 3233 02:35:47.840 --> 02:35:49.559 just focusing on like these boss fights are so clever 3234 02:35:49.600 --> 02:35:51.079 and they're huge, and it's so you get to climb 3235 02:35:51.120 --> 02:35:52.879 up this whole thing, this platform am his boss fights, 3236 02:35:53.159 --> 02:35:55.559 and I don't think I put much thought into like 3237 02:35:56.120 --> 02:35:58.680 what was happening or the world or the story or anything. 3238 02:35:58.680 --> 02:36:00.920 And then I played the remake as an older wiser 3239 02:36:01.000 --> 02:36:03.200 man and I was like, oh, wait, okay, this is 3240 02:36:03.239 --> 02:36:04.959 actually like on a different level, Like it was kind 3241 02:36:04.959 --> 02:36:06.639 of hitting me the like oh got it. Yeah, I'm 3242 02:36:06.680 --> 02:36:09.520 just killing these fucking peaceful, beautiful creatures. 3243 02:36:09.120 --> 02:36:13.079 You know, like in this literally by definition you assume 3244 02:36:13.120 --> 02:36:15.319 they're all endangered because there's. 3245 02:36:15.159 --> 02:36:15.559 One of them. 3246 02:36:15.879 --> 02:36:18.440 You're just slaughtering all of them because you want to 3247 02:36:18.440 --> 02:36:20.639 save what you're like the princess, like. 3248 02:36:21.280 --> 02:36:23.760 Just elegant shit of just like the way you find 3249 02:36:23.799 --> 02:36:25.520 it is just hold your sword up with a circle 3250 02:36:25.559 --> 02:36:29.399 button and it's the beam of light and so beautiful 3251 02:36:30.079 --> 02:36:32.799 and for And that was in that post GTA three 3252 02:36:32.879 --> 02:36:35.000 world too, where it's like everything was trying to do that, 3253 02:36:35.159 --> 02:36:38.000 Like we weren't full Ubisoft Matt Barf Open World yet, 3254 02:36:38.440 --> 02:36:40.680 but everything was just like, we need a million side questions, 3255 02:36:40.680 --> 02:36:42.840 a million things, collectibles and all this stuff. And it 3256 02:36:43.040 --> 02:36:45.639 was kind of bold enough to be like, no, it's 3257 02:36:45.719 --> 02:36:47.440 it's open, you can go wherever you want, but like 3258 02:36:48.079 --> 02:36:52.040 it is desolate. Yeah, and that that lends itself to 3259 02:36:52.159 --> 02:36:55.719 the vibe of that game. Yeah, Oh it's so good. 3260 02:36:56.959 --> 02:36:59.719 Hollan I also has these like moments of desolation where 3261 02:36:59.760 --> 02:37:04.120 it's just like you've seen nothing. The Kingdom I think 3262 02:37:04.120 --> 02:37:07.079 it's called like the Kingdom of Tears or whatever. It's 3263 02:37:07.159 --> 02:37:11.000 just like this dead kingdom. Everything has gone from it. 3264 02:37:11.319 --> 02:37:15.399 The halls are empty, everything has died and moved on. Yes, 3265 02:37:15.440 --> 02:37:18.879 there are bad guys there, but like, ultimately you're walking 3266 02:37:18.959 --> 02:37:22.959 around this hollowed out town and there's so many stories 3267 02:37:23.040 --> 02:37:26.239 left untold. What were the kings of this place? What 3268 02:37:26.319 --> 02:37:27.000 were the people? 3269 02:37:27.239 --> 02:37:27.280 Like? 3270 02:37:27.760 --> 02:37:31.840 Why is it abandoned? What happened here? I asked myself 3271 02:37:31.879 --> 02:37:35.040 that in so many areas of Hollow Night, it was 3272 02:37:35.200 --> 02:37:39.680 telling me a lot without telling me anything, just watching 3273 02:37:39.920 --> 02:37:43.079 all the death and destruction and Hollow Night. And I 3274 02:37:43.239 --> 02:37:46.440 am here killing a lot and trying to get through 3275 02:37:46.479 --> 02:37:49.879 it to what purpose I don't even fucking know, But 3276 02:37:50.200 --> 02:37:56.079 you want to kind of investigate these terrifying and really sad, 3277 02:37:56.520 --> 02:37:58.639 sad spaces. Every once in a while you will come 3278 02:37:58.680 --> 02:38:02.200 across and who's singing or a person who is alone 3279 02:38:02.399 --> 02:38:05.440 and they're telling you they're really sad story and it's 3280 02:38:05.479 --> 02:38:09.520 pretty brutal. The world building of Hollow Night and just 3281 02:38:09.639 --> 02:38:12.639 what a what a cold environment it sets you out 3282 02:38:12.680 --> 02:38:15.200 to be and you're not a hero. I think it's 3283 02:38:15.239 --> 02:38:17.959 made that kind of clear. You're not bad nor good 3284 02:38:18.000 --> 02:38:20.959 in that game. You're just kind of trudging along in it. 3285 02:38:21.079 --> 02:38:22.959 I think that's also meaningful because you can kind of 3286 02:38:23.280 --> 02:38:25.159 make that call as the player of like what kind 3287 02:38:25.200 --> 02:38:28.239 of person you think you are in this environment? But 3288 02:38:28.319 --> 02:38:32.239 you are certainly a murderer trying to get through. I 3289 02:38:32.319 --> 02:38:35.200 think it's I think it's just meaningful to give your 3290 02:38:35.600 --> 02:38:38.760 the player agency in that space. I think both games 3291 02:38:38.799 --> 02:38:42.239 do this quite well to let you decide are you 3292 02:38:42.399 --> 02:38:46.440 bad or good? Shadow of the Classes does that extraordinarily 3293 02:38:46.479 --> 02:38:50.319 as well. You know, you are fighting for a girl, 3294 02:38:50.479 --> 02:38:52.399 right you are. You are fighting for the health of 3295 02:38:52.479 --> 02:38:55.000 someone that you love, and that is valid, but you're 3296 02:38:55.040 --> 02:39:00.520 also destroying beautiful Colossi and they weren't fucking doing anything, 3297 02:39:00.719 --> 02:39:03.000 like Mike said, like It's not like they were destroying 3298 02:39:03.079 --> 02:39:06.479 a town. They were like hanging out, having a little nap. 3299 02:39:06.680 --> 02:39:09.120 It was like a religious prophecy that told me to 3300 02:39:09.200 --> 02:39:10.120 do it, if memory. 3301 02:39:09.920 --> 02:39:12.799 Serves Yeah, And so it's just kind of they're they're 3302 02:39:12.799 --> 02:39:16.879 both pretty gutting games in that in that space. But 3303 02:39:16.959 --> 02:39:19.440 I do absolutely love the agency of determining, like what 3304 02:39:19.600 --> 02:39:21.840 kind of person I think I am in this world. 3305 02:39:23.040 --> 02:39:27.719 Hollow Night feels so sad and so alone in so 3306 02:39:27.920 --> 02:39:30.360 many ways, and it's often like raining in a lot 3307 02:39:30.399 --> 02:39:32.159 of the spaces, and I think it's just kind of 3308 02:39:32.239 --> 02:39:36.719 adding to the environment that you are alone and you 3309 02:39:36.879 --> 02:39:40.040 are going to go through some shit to get where 3310 02:39:40.079 --> 02:39:42.319 you want to be. I think it feels great when 3311 02:39:42.360 --> 02:39:44.040 you're able to get into these spaces. And I still 3312 02:39:44.079 --> 02:39:45.760 like to this day, like I will just travel around 3313 02:39:45.799 --> 02:39:48.479 Hollow Night because the music and the world building and 3314 02:39:48.520 --> 02:39:51.680 the visuals are so stunning. I love visiting those spaces. 3315 02:39:52.000 --> 02:39:54.360 I like that is like still the game that I 3316 02:39:54.440 --> 02:39:57.200 play when I just like want to like immerse myself 3317 02:39:57.239 --> 02:39:58.959 in an environment that I love so much. 3318 02:40:01.120 --> 02:40:07.600 Yeah, I love Hollow Night, But like Shout of the 3319 02:40:07.639 --> 02:40:11.840 Colosses to me is is uh, you. 3320 02:40:11.920 --> 02:40:13.920 Want to play it? Which one would you play more? 3321 02:40:14.280 --> 02:40:21.040 Now? Off, Dan, I'm not trying to be antagonistic. I 3322 02:40:21.239 --> 02:40:23.600 just I came around it really is. 3323 02:40:24.200 --> 02:40:26.159 It really is a kind of a perfect but also 3324 02:40:26.239 --> 02:40:31.040 a terrible matchup. Like, yeah, so brutal similar. I hate 3325 02:40:31.159 --> 02:40:32.959 to say it because I know how much Hollow Night 3326 02:40:33.040 --> 02:40:34.360 means to you, Mary, But like. 3327 02:40:36.959 --> 02:40:40.760 Guys, there is like not even that many CLASSI like, 3328 02:40:40.840 --> 02:40:42.120 they don't even do anything. 3329 02:40:43.799 --> 02:40:47.760 It's yeah, like you don't. 3330 02:40:47.600 --> 02:40:49.440 Have to learn their moves, you just jump on. 3331 02:40:49.760 --> 02:40:52.000 You absolutely need to learn their moves. There's a bunch 3332 02:40:52.079 --> 02:40:56.120 of them that are agile. I know, you know it's 3333 02:40:56.200 --> 02:40:59.680 really good. She's like, I know, it's a tough one. 3334 02:41:00.079 --> 02:41:02.600 Yeah, it's honestly, like it would have been easier to 3335 02:41:02.639 --> 02:41:04.520 pick holl And Night Over like an Arcadie game than 3336 02:41:04.559 --> 02:41:07.600 another artistic Yeah, and it's. 3337 02:41:07.479 --> 02:41:09.600 Just happened to go against one of the most beautiful 3338 02:41:09.680 --> 02:41:13.559 games ever made that also holds up really well. 3339 02:41:13.719 --> 02:41:18.200 And yeah, I have to go shadow the Classes. I'm sorry, 3340 02:41:18.239 --> 02:41:18.879 I feel bad. 3341 02:41:19.239 --> 02:41:23.000 I have to go Shadow the Classes is funny, stupid, 3342 02:41:30.520 --> 02:41:35.600 not like you know, with valid reasons. This is really hard. 3343 02:41:36.760 --> 02:41:43.239 I think we sold that argument really well. Shadow. Okay, 3344 02:41:46.440 --> 02:41:50.920 at least you lost to something better than the Wincher three. Yeah, 3345 02:41:51.559 --> 02:41:53.639 you died with dignity, Yeah. 3346 02:41:54.000 --> 02:41:56.280 There is dignity and losing to Shadow the Classes one 3347 02:41:56.280 --> 02:41:58.120 of the most loved games of all time. 3348 02:41:58.440 --> 02:42:01.200 All right, fine, honestly I have pushed for Hollow Night 3349 02:42:01.319 --> 02:42:02.920 if circumstances were different. 3350 02:42:03.200 --> 02:42:03.440 Fine. 3351 02:42:07.520 --> 02:42:15.159 Our next matchup is Titan Fall two versus Portal Oh fuck. 3352 02:42:15.200 --> 02:42:18.559 Me, that's an interesting one. Was you were you Portal Mary? 3353 02:42:19.239 --> 02:42:20.360 I am Portal Yeah did you do? 3354 02:42:20.639 --> 02:42:22.799 You did Portal over Portal two just to claim? 3355 02:42:22.879 --> 02:42:24.479 So this is an interesting one, and I think it 3356 02:42:24.559 --> 02:42:25.680 could come back to haunt me. 3357 02:42:26.360 --> 02:42:26.559 I do. 3358 02:42:26.959 --> 02:42:30.479 I do think that Portal two is like the more 3359 02:42:30.680 --> 02:42:33.440 enjoyable fundamental game, right, Like it's the one you can 3360 02:42:33.520 --> 02:42:40.280 play with another person. It has extraordinarily good puzzles, and 3361 02:42:40.520 --> 02:42:43.479 I think, uh, the world the listeners might be like, 3362 02:42:43.559 --> 02:42:44.639 why didn't you do Portal two? 3363 02:42:44.639 --> 02:42:45.000 You suck? 3364 02:42:46.239 --> 02:42:49.399 I did choose Portal one because I think this is 3365 02:42:49.559 --> 02:42:53.000 our list and even though I think Portal two is 3366 02:42:53.159 --> 02:42:55.840 the better game, So this might come back to bite 3367 02:42:55.879 --> 02:42:59.920 me in the butt. Portal original is like the quintess 3368 02:43:00.040 --> 02:43:04.280 essential world building that needed to exist for Portal two 3369 02:43:04.360 --> 02:43:06.000 to be as good as it is. It's the one 3370 02:43:06.040 --> 02:43:11.079 that invents Gladys. It's the one that gives you this 3371 02:43:11.239 --> 02:43:15.959 incredible skepticism of the world that you're in. Right in 3372 02:43:16.040 --> 02:43:18.200 Portal two, you know your person is bad, right, like 3373 02:43:18.280 --> 02:43:19.840 you know Gladys is not good, and you have to 3374 02:43:19.920 --> 02:43:22.319 deal with them. But in Portal one, the game actually 3375 02:43:22.319 --> 02:43:24.799 sets you up where you're supposed to kind of like 3376 02:43:25.200 --> 02:43:28.079 Gladys and like you're supposed to kind of enjoy them, 3377 02:43:28.120 --> 02:43:30.360 and they're telling you that you get cake at the end. 3378 02:43:30.799 --> 02:43:33.040 And so when there's that twist in the game, which 3379 02:43:33.120 --> 02:43:36.479 is I think almost a trope now, but at the time, 3380 02:43:37.159 --> 02:43:39.280 the first time you recognize that the game is going 3381 02:43:39.360 --> 02:43:42.559 to kill you unless you break the wall and get through, 3382 02:43:43.639 --> 02:43:47.399 blew my fucking mind. And I think that that's the 3383 02:43:47.479 --> 02:43:50.040 first time that I recognized that a game designer could 3384 02:43:50.079 --> 02:43:54.760 get me to I thought I was like breaking the game, right, 3385 02:43:54.920 --> 02:43:56.879 but it was all designed. But that was the first 3386 02:43:56.920 --> 02:44:00.559 time that I was tricked into believe that I was 3387 02:44:00.639 --> 02:44:04.879 like cheating the game and kind of solving this amazing mystery, 3388 02:44:05.559 --> 02:44:08.440 uh and trying to like compare it to something else 3389 02:44:08.520 --> 02:44:10.760 that I can't. I just think it was so brilliant, 3390 02:44:10.840 --> 02:44:14.719 how it it tricked me as a player to to think, Wow, 3391 02:44:14.840 --> 02:44:16.760 I'm going to go against what this game wants me 3392 02:44:16.799 --> 02:44:19.280 to do. I'm going to do my own thing, and 3393 02:44:19.600 --> 02:44:21.479 and how that built. I also think the ending is 3394 02:44:21.719 --> 02:44:26.360 is magnificent. It is a wonderful story from beginning to end. 3395 02:44:27.479 --> 02:44:31.799 Oh my god. And the puzzles in one are also awesome. 3396 02:44:31.959 --> 02:44:33.399 So this might come back to haunt me, but I 3397 02:44:33.559 --> 02:44:34.319 just like One the most. 3398 02:44:34.680 --> 02:44:35.479 Yeah, Mary, I'm with you. 3399 02:44:35.600 --> 02:44:37.479 I think One is the way to go here because 3400 02:44:37.559 --> 02:44:39.840 you know, because the way it was released, it didn't 3401 02:44:40.000 --> 02:44:42.200 really have to sell itself because like you're gonna buy 3402 02:44:42.239 --> 02:44:44.399 the Orange Box based on like, oh, here's Saint Fortre's, 3403 02:44:44.399 --> 02:44:46.719 here's Half Life and the episodes and everything. It's like, oh, 3404 02:44:46.760 --> 02:44:49.360 here's this bonus little thing. So like this bonus little 3405 02:44:49.399 --> 02:44:52.360 weird thing, little puzzle game. Me, Oh cool making portals, 3406 02:44:52.399 --> 02:44:55.120 that's cool. And then it just blew everyone away. And 3407 02:44:55.280 --> 02:44:56.920 you know, in a time where people didn't really say 3408 02:44:56.959 --> 02:44:59.879 meme as much, you launched a million memes and everything dah. 3409 02:45:00.000 --> 02:45:02.760 And then so I feel like with two, it was 3410 02:45:02.840 --> 02:45:05.559 almost kind of that like Wayne's World two or Austin 3411 02:45:05.639 --> 02:45:07.639 Powers two thing where it's just like, Okay, we're gonna 3412 02:45:07.680 --> 02:45:09.239 do like we're gonna have a little song at the end. 3413 02:45:09.319 --> 02:45:10.680 We know, we're gonna have a bunch of goofy you know, 3414 02:45:10.760 --> 02:45:12.879 fun jokes and stuff in the middle. Whereas, like I 3415 02:45:13.000 --> 02:45:15.000 thought it was a little more endearing in the first 3416 02:45:15.040 --> 02:45:17.520 one when I didn't expect it, when it was like, oh, 3417 02:45:17.680 --> 02:45:20.079 this game's like silly and weird and it's kind of 3418 02:45:20.120 --> 02:45:21.799 like breaking the fourth wall a little bit, and oh 3419 02:45:21.879 --> 02:45:23.399 there's this weird song at the end. Where's like the 3420 02:45:23.440 --> 02:45:25.399 second one was like, well, yeah, of course they're gonna 3421 02:45:25.399 --> 02:45:26.799 do this, like that's the this is the tone, this 3422 02:45:26.879 --> 02:45:28.959 fits with the tone, whereas the first one you didn't 3423 02:45:29.000 --> 02:45:30.760 know the tone yet, and it was more kind of 3424 02:45:30.799 --> 02:45:35.000 surprising to learn that stuff. So yeah, like maybe as 3425 02:45:35.079 --> 02:45:38.200 a whole, Portal two might be a better game, but 3426 02:45:38.680 --> 02:45:41.680 I remember one more finally, you know. 3427 02:45:41.920 --> 02:45:44.159 Yeah, yeah, Titan Fall two is mine. 3428 02:45:45.479 --> 02:45:45.959 I believe. 3429 02:45:49.000 --> 02:45:52.959 I still I still think about that multiplayer often, especially 3430 02:45:53.000 --> 02:45:59.760 how well they employed like fighting game recognition. It's incredible. 3431 02:45:59.799 --> 02:46:03.440 But like the multiplayer, the way you can recognize a 3432 02:46:05.079 --> 02:46:08.239 a scorch from a distance as opposed to a monarch 3433 02:46:08.319 --> 02:46:09.840 and know that you're gonna have to counter them a 3434 02:46:09.879 --> 02:46:12.040 certain way, and there's certain their weaknesses. When they call 3435 02:46:12.120 --> 02:46:14.159 down the mex it's still such a fucking thrill to 3436 02:46:14.239 --> 02:46:16.719 call down a mech from space, jump into it, and 3437 02:46:16.719 --> 02:46:18.040 then you're pilots in it. All of a sudden, you're 3438 02:46:18.079 --> 02:46:22.920 launching like shoulder mounted flames and then just shooting explosives 3439 02:46:22.959 --> 02:46:24.959 at tiny little pilots near you. 3440 02:46:25.440 --> 02:46:28.680 Yeah, the campaign is just one of the most I 3441 02:46:28.719 --> 02:46:29.760 don't want to say underrated. 3442 02:46:29.799 --> 02:46:31.639 Anybody who's played it knows it's really good, but it's 3443 02:46:31.680 --> 02:46:34.239 like overlooked often in the face of other shooters. I 3444 02:46:34.360 --> 02:46:38.559 sometimes forget it compared to Halo, Half Life, Two, Gears 3445 02:46:38.600 --> 02:46:42.200 of War, et cetera. But like, yeah, the the interplay 3446 02:46:42.239 --> 02:46:44.559 between how good it feels to be a pilot but 3447 02:46:44.639 --> 02:46:47.239 also how good and powerful it feels to be in 3448 02:46:47.360 --> 02:46:48.600 a Titan is incredible. 3449 02:46:49.479 --> 02:46:51.559 The mobility is insane too, it is. The mobility is 3450 02:46:52.079 --> 02:46:52.799 so fucking good. 3451 02:46:53.120 --> 02:46:55.399 Yeah, fast you could be and how strong you can 3452 02:46:55.440 --> 02:46:56.920 be depending on the titan you choose. 3453 02:46:57.479 --> 02:46:59.280 So fun person and stuff where's like you're wall running 3454 02:46:59.280 --> 02:47:01.120 and the like stick knipe into the wall and like 3455 02:47:01.200 --> 02:47:02.440 snipe down like shit. 3456 02:47:03.040 --> 02:47:05.239 Hell yeah, and for like for Vince Ampela and the 3457 02:47:05.280 --> 02:47:08.600 people who made call Duty four to go over and 3458 02:47:08.760 --> 02:47:10.600 do that. But add the other layer of you're not 3459 02:47:10.799 --> 02:47:13.040 just prestiging, and you're not prestige like you're not just 3460 02:47:13.120 --> 02:47:15.440 ranking up all these individual pilot handheld weapons and the 3461 02:47:15.479 --> 02:47:17.799 pilot perks and the equipment. You're also doing it for 3462 02:47:17.959 --> 02:47:22.079 all six of these Titans that all have very different 3463 02:47:22.120 --> 02:47:23.399 there they might as well. It might as well be 3464 02:47:23.440 --> 02:47:25.559 a hero shooter once you get into them, or again 3465 02:47:25.600 --> 02:47:30.239 a fighting game you see a scorch monarch. I'm forgetting 3466 02:47:30.280 --> 02:47:33.280 some of the uh, some of the other names right now, 3467 02:47:33.319 --> 02:47:35.280 but the one with the more like semi automatic rifle 3468 02:47:35.399 --> 02:47:38.920 or the sniper rifle, and you're ranking them up individually 3469 02:47:38.959 --> 02:47:41.559 and whatnot. You can customize them their look. You can 3470 02:47:41.639 --> 02:47:43.120 put your stamp on them as well, in a way 3471 02:47:43.159 --> 02:47:44.840 that you couldn't call Duty four. So for them to 3472 02:47:44.920 --> 02:47:48.360 come over and make that was great. But like I'm 3473 02:47:48.399 --> 02:47:49.719 not going to sit here and say it's better than 3474 02:47:49.799 --> 02:47:52.719 Portal by any means, But Titan Fall two is still 3475 02:47:52.959 --> 02:47:57.280 When they brought the servers back online a few years ago, 3476 02:47:57.479 --> 02:47:59.680 I was me and Rob Hanleery were I don't know 3477 02:47:59.680 --> 02:48:02.000 anybody in the world more like happier than us two. 3478 02:48:02.239 --> 02:48:04.479 That day we jumped in and it was it was 3479 02:48:04.559 --> 02:48:07.239 fucking really good. It holds up like crazy. 3480 02:48:07.239 --> 02:48:09.280 We don't stream like a year ago on Giant Bomb 3481 02:48:09.319 --> 02:48:10.879 and we're all like, holy shit, why are we not 3482 02:48:10.920 --> 02:48:11.639 playing this all the time? 3483 02:48:12.520 --> 02:48:14.559 Like I had my favorite titan I was a scorch 3484 02:48:14.680 --> 02:48:15.760 Maine Rob. 3485 02:48:16.120 --> 02:48:20.520 Rob had his man I I had. Yeah, I was 3486 02:48:20.520 --> 02:48:22.319 getting double XP codes. 3487 02:48:22.559 --> 02:48:26.559 Yeah, but uh but no, Portal Portal deserves that spot 3488 02:48:26.639 --> 02:48:26.920 as well. 3489 02:48:27.040 --> 02:48:33.479 Yeah, okay, agreed, Portal wins over Titan Fall two. Uh, 3490 02:48:33.600 --> 02:48:34.399 the next one. 3491 02:48:36.760 --> 02:48:38.280 Why she's smiling? Why she grinning? 3492 02:48:39.079 --> 02:48:44.040 Haites versus Metal Gear Solid two Sons of Liberty. 3493 02:48:47.639 --> 02:48:50.520 Wait, what Haes is that you? I did? Yeah? No, 3494 02:48:50.719 --> 02:48:53.959 I mean yeah, oh fuck. 3495 02:48:56.200 --> 02:49:01.040 Haes is like because he likes like haities more than 3496 02:49:01.120 --> 02:49:01.319 we do. 3497 02:49:01.639 --> 02:49:03.159 Haties was our game of the year. 3498 02:49:03.959 --> 02:49:05.600 We did not talk about it. That was our first 3499 02:49:05.639 --> 02:49:06.120 game of the year. 3500 02:49:06.360 --> 02:49:08.319 It was It was the one that kind of actually 3501 02:49:08.440 --> 02:49:10.920 launched us as a podcast, so I think it's internally 3502 02:49:12.120 --> 02:49:16.840 valuable to each one of us. It's also hilariously the 3503 02:49:16.959 --> 02:49:19.600 one we didn't discuss. So we did Game of the 3504 02:49:19.719 --> 02:49:25.079 Year originally and we debated very intensely our first ten 3505 02:49:25.200 --> 02:49:29.200 through number two, and it just never we actually, like 3506 02:49:29.280 --> 02:49:31.520 famously just forgot to talk about Hades, or maybe we 3507 02:49:31.600 --> 02:49:37.479 just didn't remember. By the end, it was so renowned 3508 02:49:37.520 --> 02:49:39.399 and we just we spent so many hours in it, 3509 02:49:39.559 --> 02:49:42.959 and I think we still look very fondly on Hades. 3510 02:49:43.760 --> 02:49:45.559 So yeah, id on here. 3511 02:49:45.479 --> 02:49:47.000 It, Yeah, needed to be on here. 3512 02:49:47.639 --> 02:49:49.120 I did not put it on mine. 3513 02:49:49.680 --> 02:49:54.120 Kind of maybe strategic's the wrong word, but like I figured, 3514 02:49:54.520 --> 02:49:55.799 I thought Dan had it on there. 3515 02:49:55.879 --> 02:49:57.079 Honestly, I like it a lot. 3516 02:49:57.360 --> 02:49:57.719 He did it. 3517 02:49:57.920 --> 02:49:59.360 I fucking love Hades. 3518 02:50:01.600 --> 02:50:04.840 I'm willing to be swayed to metal Gear, but like, Okay, 3519 02:50:05.520 --> 02:50:06.440 god damn Haites. 3520 02:50:06.840 --> 02:50:07.799 Still it's Hades. 3521 02:50:07.920 --> 02:50:09.520 Haiti's one of the top five games I want to 3522 02:50:09.559 --> 02:50:11.600 play right now that I wasn't even thinking about until 3523 02:50:11.840 --> 02:50:12.159 right now. 3524 02:50:13.559 --> 02:50:17.440 I put a lot of stock into anything, games, movies, 3525 02:50:17.559 --> 02:50:20.799 anything with people that are just unlike anything else, and 3526 02:50:21.479 --> 02:50:24.799 Meddle Year Solid two, even in this series of Middle 3527 02:50:24.840 --> 02:50:27.479 Year Solid is unlike anything else I've seen. First of all, 3528 02:50:27.760 --> 02:50:30.000 the marketing was the craziest shit ever, because you're coming 3529 02:50:30.000 --> 02:50:31.959 off Middle Year Solid one, which I made the argument 3530 02:50:32.000 --> 02:50:33.840 for that earlier, and how it just was a giant 3531 02:50:33.879 --> 02:50:36.200 shift in what people expected from games. And then just 3532 02:50:36.280 --> 02:50:38.520 three years later, they're coming out with this game because 3533 02:50:38.559 --> 02:50:42.639 it's on PS two that looks it looked like Witchcraft. 3534 02:50:42.799 --> 02:50:44.520 When you saw that E three trailer, it's like, how 3535 02:50:44.559 --> 02:50:48.239 could games possibly look this fucking good? Then they put 3536 02:50:48.280 --> 02:50:50.319 out a demo on Zona the enders and people can 3537 02:50:50.399 --> 02:50:52.520 play it, and we're playing that demo over and over 3538 02:50:52.680 --> 02:50:53.079 and again. 3539 02:50:53.360 --> 02:50:53.840 Witchcraft. 3540 02:50:53.920 --> 02:50:57.239 It was just insane, the amount of detail, graphical prowess, 3541 02:50:57.280 --> 02:50:59.040 all this stuff, and they're setting up this very intriguing 3542 02:50:59.079 --> 02:51:03.360 story and then you play it and it does maybe 3543 02:51:03.399 --> 02:51:06.200 the boldest thing a video game has ever done, where 3544 02:51:06.239 --> 02:51:10.360 you take this universally beloved character of Solid Snake, you 3545 02:51:11.280 --> 02:51:14.399 promote this game as like Solid Snake's Next Adventure, and 3546 02:51:14.520 --> 02:51:16.840 it's like, holy shit, you liked them back then check them. 3547 02:51:16.879 --> 02:51:19.760 Now everything's fucking cooler, Now, bigger steaks, all this shit, 3548 02:51:20.079 --> 02:51:22.920 you're Solid Snake again. And then to take this beloved 3549 02:51:23.079 --> 02:51:27.200 fucking character and then a couple hours in be like, nope, sorry, 3550 02:51:27.319 --> 02:51:29.959 you're not him. You're this weave that everyone hates. 3551 02:51:30.319 --> 02:51:33.680 And they fucking mark the mark. 3552 02:51:33.760 --> 02:51:36.440 The trailers they lied, they straight up lied, and the 3553 02:51:36.520 --> 02:51:39.840 trailers showing scenes that don't happen, to make people think 3554 02:51:40.040 --> 02:51:42.360 that they're Solid Snake the whole time, and it's not 3555 02:51:42.840 --> 02:51:44.959 just a cheap gotcha thing. 3556 02:51:45.399 --> 02:51:45.840 It play. 3557 02:51:45.920 --> 02:51:48.399 I'm not gonna spend I could spend hours talking about 3558 02:51:48.399 --> 02:51:50.479 the themes and stuff that this game is doing, but 3559 02:51:50.680 --> 02:51:53.799 the idea of the player's relationship to the character and 3560 02:51:53.879 --> 02:51:55.959 things like that and just the nature of video games 3561 02:51:56.000 --> 02:51:58.440 and stuff, it all plays into that. Uh, And it 3562 02:51:58.520 --> 02:52:01.239 plays beautifully into the story way that I fucking hated 3563 02:52:01.360 --> 02:52:04.040 back then because every I don't think anyone was ready 3564 02:52:04.079 --> 02:52:05.639 for that game back then, because it's just like, what 3565 02:52:05.799 --> 02:52:08.159 the fuck, why aren't we Solid Snake? And it took 3566 02:52:08.239 --> 02:52:11.079 me years of replaying it and reading about it and 3567 02:52:11.200 --> 02:52:14.159 talking on forums about this to understand what Kajemo is 3568 02:52:14.239 --> 02:52:19.959 trying to do with this, and it's it's very complex, 3569 02:52:19.959 --> 02:52:21.959 and again, like I don't know how like I could 3570 02:52:22.000 --> 02:52:22.719 if you want to. 3571 02:52:22.680 --> 02:52:30.959 See trying to do more importantly sequels and it's riding. 3572 02:52:31.079 --> 02:52:33.600 Is this player surrogate where he has basically played a 3573 02:52:33.719 --> 02:52:37.920 Solid Snake through the VR. There's no short way to 3574 02:52:38.000 --> 02:52:43.200 do this. It is unbelievably complex. But to be so 3575 02:52:43.440 --> 02:52:45.000 bold to take like it would be bold if this 3576 02:52:45.120 --> 02:52:46.959 was an indie project and they did this, but like 3577 02:52:47.040 --> 02:52:50.200 middle year, solid was the biggest fucking thing. And then 3578 02:52:50.239 --> 02:52:52.159 a few years later to just throw all of it 3579 02:52:52.280 --> 02:52:54.719 on its head and take such a risk, the likes 3580 02:52:54.719 --> 02:52:55.799 of which people still. 3581 02:52:55.559 --> 02:52:56.399 Haven't done since. 3582 02:52:56.840 --> 02:53:01.399 And then even with the narrative itself to nowadays, you know, 3583 02:53:01.600 --> 02:53:03.680 we're talking about four social media, you know, two thousand 3584 02:53:03.680 --> 02:53:05.559 and one, A lot of these codecs and stuff in 3585 02:53:05.559 --> 02:53:09.159 these conversations you'll see people repost nowadays because it's insanely 3586 02:53:09.319 --> 02:53:12.639 prescient the stuff that they were saying about. What I mean, 3587 02:53:12.680 --> 02:53:14.360 that was the first time I ever heard the word meme. 3588 02:53:14.520 --> 02:53:16.360 I mean this is four years before I had heard 3589 02:53:16.399 --> 02:53:19.399 a Facebook, you know, and them talking about how the 3590 02:53:19.479 --> 02:53:23.120 proliferation of memes and online culture and divisions kind of 3591 02:53:23.120 --> 02:53:25.440 splintering off and echo chambers and stuff and the effect 3592 02:53:25.440 --> 02:53:27.719 that's going to have on the world and human interaction 3593 02:53:27.840 --> 02:53:31.280 and stuff, which at the time, every review and everybody. 3594 02:53:30.920 --> 02:53:33.399 I talked to was just loll, Kajima is crazy. What's 3595 02:53:33.440 --> 02:53:34.120 he talking about? 3596 02:53:34.360 --> 02:53:35.680 And then you go back and you look at this 3597 02:53:35.719 --> 02:53:38.600 shit in twenty twenty five, and it's like, oh, my 3598 02:53:39.000 --> 02:53:41.959 fucking god, how did this happen? In two thousand and one, 3599 02:53:42.479 --> 02:53:46.840 while at the same time remaining an incredibly engaging video game. 3600 02:53:47.440 --> 02:53:49.479 Like you know, there are criticisms I would have. I 3601 02:53:49.520 --> 02:53:51.840 don't think the selection of boss fights and everything in 3602 02:53:51.959 --> 02:53:55.440 characters is as strong as one or three. But in 3603 02:53:55.600 --> 02:54:00.920 terms of just a fascinating, forward thinking, bold, unlike anything 3604 02:54:00.959 --> 02:54:06.440 else experiment, uh, there is nothing like it in entertainment, 3605 02:54:06.600 --> 02:54:06.879 I think. 3606 02:54:07.680 --> 02:54:10.680 So, I don't know, it's uh I put it. It's 3607 02:54:10.680 --> 02:54:11.399 probably number two. 3608 02:54:11.399 --> 02:54:12.799 When I was I was putting over you know, middle 3609 02:54:12.799 --> 02:54:15.639 of your Solid one as the like number one impactful 3610 02:54:15.680 --> 02:54:18.479 thing it ever felt in games. This is right, This 3611 02:54:18.639 --> 02:54:21.840 is like one b you know, and I think it 3612 02:54:21.920 --> 02:54:23.680 is probably the game. You know, we always have a 3613 02:54:23.760 --> 02:54:25.440 game's aging well or whatever, and that like it so 3614 02:54:25.520 --> 02:54:28.000 feels good. Mario World feels good to play Metal You're 3615 02:54:28.040 --> 02:54:30.360 Solid two ages so well because you look back and 3616 02:54:30.479 --> 02:54:33.600 you just are more impressed at the shit he was 3617 02:54:33.680 --> 02:54:36.479 trying to do with that game, and it just feels 3618 02:54:36.520 --> 02:54:37.520 better as time goes on. 3619 02:54:40.040 --> 02:54:43.559 Now, you did say that the boss fights weren't perfect. 3620 02:54:44.399 --> 02:54:44.600 I'm not. 3621 02:54:44.799 --> 02:54:46.280 Oh, it is not a perfect game. Great. 3622 02:54:46.920 --> 02:54:49.879 I just wanted to rehash that point because I believe 3623 02:54:49.959 --> 02:54:53.920 that Hades is one of the most perfectly designed games 3624 02:54:53.959 --> 02:54:57.719 of all time. I think the boss fights are so 3625 02:54:59.000 --> 02:55:02.920 so intricate and wonderful to replay, and it is a 3626 02:55:03.040 --> 02:55:06.559 really awesome experience to have a unique build as a player, 3627 02:55:06.920 --> 02:55:09.760 right you will, you're forced to play it differently each 3628 02:55:09.879 --> 02:55:12.079 time because of the way that game is designed. You 3629 02:55:12.239 --> 02:55:15.200 cannot play the same build each time. You can't make yourself. 3630 02:55:15.520 --> 02:55:19.239 The game will push you into new builds. So playing 3631 02:55:19.360 --> 02:55:22.719 that game and facing each of those bosses with a 3632 02:55:22.760 --> 02:55:27.159 different loadout making you rethink how you can fight each 3633 02:55:27.239 --> 02:55:32.799 of those bosses with your unique builds. It's fresh each 3634 02:55:33.000 --> 02:55:37.040 and every time, and the boss fights are incredible, especially 3635 02:55:37.120 --> 02:55:40.959 the final one where you take on Zeus. Goddamn, what 3636 02:55:41.360 --> 02:55:46.120 a finale. To even get to Zeus is such a marvel. 3637 02:55:46.760 --> 02:55:49.200 But when you actually have that vibe that you think 3638 02:55:49.239 --> 02:55:52.840 you can beat Zeus, and then they're like, bitch, now 3639 02:55:52.879 --> 02:55:58.959 it's just new game. Plus, like, this game was expertly crafted. 3640 02:55:59.520 --> 02:56:01.680 It is the best of Super Giant Man. 3641 02:56:01.920 --> 02:56:08.639 It was Hades, right, just yeah, you said Zeus, what 3642 02:56:08.760 --> 02:56:10.840 does he fight? He fights his dad, Hades. 3643 02:56:11.760 --> 02:56:13.559 Oh, who's Zeus? 3644 02:56:14.120 --> 02:56:16.159 I don't think Zeus is in the game, Like you're Hades. 3645 02:56:16.360 --> 02:56:17.239 The player is Hades. 3646 02:56:17.360 --> 02:56:19.639 No, you're they made up, Zach. 3647 02:56:21.639 --> 02:56:22.079 You're right. 3648 02:56:26.120 --> 02:56:27.760 Now, your dad is Hades, the guy of the Underworld. 3649 02:56:27.799 --> 02:56:33.200 But who's Zeus. I think he does Zeus like things. 3650 02:56:33.440 --> 02:56:35.719 Yeah, no, I'm just clarifying for You're right. 3651 02:56:36.719 --> 02:56:44.239 I guess I thought that Zaggreous. You fight, you fight 3652 02:56:44.959 --> 02:56:48.600 Hades cow, and that's a really tough final boss fight. 3653 02:56:48.799 --> 02:56:49.840 I guess I thought it was Zeus. 3654 02:56:49.879 --> 02:56:51.879 He's kind of the brilliance of it is it can 3655 02:56:52.000 --> 02:56:55.280 sometimes be semi easy because you built your the you 3656 02:56:55.319 --> 02:56:58.639 can agree so fucking well, which is cool, like. 3657 02:56:58.639 --> 02:56:59.360 A great rogue light. 3658 02:56:59.399 --> 02:57:01.280 I feel like, you know, dead Sales Hades, like you 3659 02:57:01.360 --> 02:57:03.879 can break it, and that's part of the joy, is like, oh, 3660 02:57:04.000 --> 02:57:05.040 this build is fucked up. 3661 02:57:05.079 --> 02:57:05.479 I love this. 3662 02:57:05.840 --> 02:57:08.360 It was kind of before that was a thing too, 3663 02:57:08.719 --> 02:57:12.079 Like Hades was before Breath of the Wild, where it 3664 02:57:12.239 --> 02:57:14.879 was like, oh shit, are you like allowed to do this? Oh, 3665 02:57:15.040 --> 02:57:19.879 it wouldn't fuck I'm gonna sell make seventeen as. 3666 02:57:19.719 --> 02:57:22.639 It was before, like Blatro though, Like Blatro is definitely 3667 02:57:22.719 --> 02:57:23.559 like ropelike in that. 3668 02:57:23.760 --> 02:57:27.280 Felt like crazy when you were able to break the game, 3669 02:57:27.360 --> 02:57:28.959 but it was designed for you to be able to 3670 02:57:29.040 --> 02:57:29.239 do that. 3671 02:57:32.040 --> 02:57:34.440 No, wait, you're right Breath of the Wild came out. 3672 02:57:34.520 --> 02:57:37.520 Oh yeah, Breath came out, was like twenty twenty. 3673 02:57:37.559 --> 02:57:38.159 Okay, gotcha. 3674 02:57:38.280 --> 02:57:40.600 Although technically I guess Hades might have been in like 3675 02:57:40.639 --> 02:57:42.200 early Access or something. 3676 02:57:42.239 --> 02:57:48.559 But yeah, oh, just to. 3677 02:57:48.639 --> 02:57:51.399 Give you where my head's at. I like Hades more, 3678 02:57:52.280 --> 02:57:55.040 but I do think Dan had a stronger argument. 3679 02:57:55.360 --> 02:57:57.920 Yeah, but he has a strong argument about all of 3680 02:57:58.120 --> 02:58:02.319 these fucking games. Sure, yeah, Hades is like he did 3681 02:58:02.399 --> 02:58:04.200 this before with Snake Eater and. 3682 02:58:04.360 --> 02:58:06.200 Was like, no, I vote for Snake Eater, I just 3683 02:58:06.200 --> 02:58:06.959 because I like Snake. 3684 02:58:07.159 --> 02:58:09.319 I know, I'm just saying they can't all get in, 3685 02:58:10.040 --> 02:58:12.319 you know what I mean, Like, there's not six hollow 3686 02:58:12.440 --> 02:58:14.680 nights that I get to fucking cry over, but He's 3687 02:58:14.760 --> 02:58:17.120 cried over each one of these little bad babies, and 3688 02:58:17.239 --> 02:58:19.959 I just think like, at some point they're not all 3689 02:58:20.120 --> 02:58:20.559 getting in. 3690 02:58:21.360 --> 02:58:26.760 Sure, I I don't know, I don't shoving so many 3691 02:58:26.840 --> 02:58:27.280 in the door. 3692 02:58:27.399 --> 02:58:28.440 We can't stop them all. 3693 02:58:29.120 --> 02:58:29.879 I just think. 3694 02:58:32.079 --> 02:58:38.239 Hades is an undeniably good game, and I don't remember 3695 02:58:38.280 --> 02:58:41.200 a single moment in Hades where I wasn't enjoying it. 3696 02:58:41.719 --> 02:58:44.600 Medlic your solid too, I absolutely love and it's loftier 3697 02:58:45.440 --> 02:58:50.120 in its goals and uneven, not even for sure, And 3698 02:58:50.440 --> 02:58:53.040 again it comes down to like do I do I 3699 02:58:53.200 --> 02:58:55.440 value the peaks of metal gar Salad two more or 3700 02:58:55.559 --> 02:58:58.120 this the consistent greatness of Hades, And like. 3701 02:59:01.440 --> 02:59:04.200 Oh man, I would almost make the argument that, like, 3702 02:59:04.239 --> 02:59:05.760 you know, we've brought up the ice cream thing several 3703 02:59:05.799 --> 02:59:07.680 times and I'm usually missed her ice cream when it 3704 02:59:07.719 --> 02:59:10.760 comes to games just instant, you know, gratification everything, And 3705 02:59:11.000 --> 02:59:14.719 in this rare circumstance, I think Hades is the ice 3706 02:59:14.799 --> 02:59:17.920 cream and I'm arguing against it because I feel like 3707 02:59:18.000 --> 02:59:20.559 midagor sell it too is such an anomaly and I 3708 02:59:20.600 --> 02:59:24.440 feel like it's important but industry and the history of games. 3709 02:59:24.440 --> 02:59:26.879 Of the two sure, But I would say, like calling 3710 02:59:26.959 --> 02:59:29.440 Hades ice cream is kind of underselling how genius a 3711 02:59:29.479 --> 02:59:32.799 lot of it is, like I shouldn't a genius, but like, no, 3712 02:59:33.040 --> 02:59:36.520 it's close to perfect on the level of like Spilunky 3713 02:59:36.600 --> 02:59:37.959 how I was talking about, and like. 3714 02:59:39.879 --> 02:59:43.079 The way they can balance even like the weak builds 3715 02:59:44.760 --> 02:59:47.799 are interesting because you're like, Okay, this doesn't synergize with that. 3716 02:59:48.040 --> 02:59:51.600 I think I've probably put like all of us at 3717 02:59:51.719 --> 02:59:53.760 least one hundred hours into Hades at this point, and 3718 02:59:53.920 --> 02:59:57.520 I I think I would still learn something new if 3719 02:59:57.559 --> 03:00:00.360 I played an hour tonight, which is just incredible to me. 3720 03:00:02.319 --> 03:00:07.840 I I I think Hades is mine as well. Your 3721 03:00:07.959 --> 03:00:09.520 argument for Metal, Your Solid two was very good. It 3722 03:00:09.600 --> 03:00:10.719 was better than your MGS one. 3723 03:00:10.959 --> 03:00:14.360 Well, and that's the things less than like, you know, 3724 03:00:14.440 --> 03:00:17.520 because I love Hades. Yeah, I didn't like the Witcher. Yeah, 3725 03:00:18.440 --> 03:00:22.360 this thing's less. It still hurts, but hey, I still 3726 03:00:22.399 --> 03:00:23.520 got three is alive? 3727 03:00:23.639 --> 03:00:24.840 Right yeah, oh yeah. 3728 03:00:26.440 --> 03:00:30.399 There no, but yeah, Hades is just like Hades is 3729 03:00:31.120 --> 03:00:33.040 just one of the best video kides. 3730 03:00:33.159 --> 03:00:35.159 It's really I think intent. 3731 03:00:35.319 --> 03:00:37.040 I think five years from now we're going to start 3732 03:00:37.079 --> 03:00:38.760 like putting it up there with I mean, we already 3733 03:00:38.799 --> 03:00:40.719 are talking about it in the breath of some of 3734 03:00:40.760 --> 03:00:41.479 the best games ever. 3735 03:00:41.680 --> 03:00:45.440 But like you just put a middle year two. Yeah, true, Yeah, 3736 03:00:45.479 --> 03:00:48.559 this is it. This is when it fully shines. Okay. 3737 03:00:48.719 --> 03:00:51.399 I it is a battle not to try to in 3738 03:00:51.520 --> 03:00:53.360 early access, but I really just want to wait until 3739 03:00:53.399 --> 03:00:53.639 day one. 3740 03:00:53.680 --> 03:00:55.520 I haven't. Yeah, I missed around for like an hour 3741 03:00:55.600 --> 03:00:55.959 or two. 3742 03:00:55.799 --> 03:00:58.879 And hearing I'm hearing good things about how she plays 3743 03:00:58.879 --> 03:01:00.600 differently than Graya, so looking forward to it. 3744 03:01:01.799 --> 03:01:05.639 I I'm glad to hear that we have concluded that 3745 03:01:05.799 --> 03:01:10.440 Hades beats out Metal Cure Solid two Sons of Liberty. 3746 03:01:11.840 --> 03:01:13.479 We still have four more. 3747 03:01:14.000 --> 03:01:15.920 Okay, and then that's a podcast. 3748 03:01:16.200 --> 03:01:17.120 That's round one. 3749 03:01:17.600 --> 03:01:18.799 Oh ship. Yeah. 3750 03:01:20.959 --> 03:01:27.319 Our next matchup GoldenEye double oh seven versus Silent Hill two. 3751 03:01:28.040 --> 03:01:33.079 Oh, Golden Eye. You didn't think about it. 3752 03:01:33.239 --> 03:01:35.399 It's Golden Yeah, I know that's that's easy. Look, I 3753 03:01:35.479 --> 03:01:38.760 respect Iron Hill too, good job. It's a nice sad game. 3754 03:01:39.360 --> 03:01:41.600 Golden Eyes fucking gold remember that. 3755 03:01:41.799 --> 03:01:47.079 Exactly, nice sad game. And then all of a sudden, 3756 03:01:47.079 --> 03:01:53.879 this Vince McMahon comes out, Golden Eye, Gold. He's gonna 3757 03:01:53.959 --> 03:02:03.440 golden He's got a I mean go because I mean, 3758 03:02:04.040 --> 03:02:06.639 I'm not even gold and gold. 3759 03:02:08.360 --> 03:02:11.200 You're gonna have to fight for this because I uh, 3760 03:02:12.040 --> 03:02:13.360 Golden I was on my list as well. 3761 03:02:13.360 --> 03:02:13.799 I think. 3762 03:02:15.920 --> 03:02:17.319 Which one has the auto top? 3763 03:02:19.200 --> 03:02:19.399 Good? 3764 03:02:20.520 --> 03:02:23.479 Also have sexy ladies. Maria is in it. She's trying 3765 03:02:23.479 --> 03:02:25.040 to get up all in that butt. 3766 03:02:25.600 --> 03:02:30.120 I mean, Tokyo also has an Eiffel Tower. But which 3767 03:02:30.159 --> 03:02:31.079 one do we talk about? 3768 03:02:38.559 --> 03:02:38.799 Sorry? 3769 03:02:38.879 --> 03:02:42.319 Continue, No, I'm losing. 3770 03:02:44.559 --> 03:02:46.159 You're up against Okay. 3771 03:02:47.959 --> 03:02:50.360 Dan talks about the story and like how powerful the 3772 03:02:50.440 --> 03:02:54.120 story is. There's probably no other story that's talked about more. 3773 03:02:54.239 --> 03:02:56.520 When it comes to the horror genre in games than 3774 03:02:56.600 --> 03:02:59.360 Silent Hill too. It's the most iconic story where you 3775 03:02:59.639 --> 03:03:02.680 the prog and I'm gonna it's like, how do I 3776 03:03:02.799 --> 03:03:03.639 do this out spoiling it? 3777 03:03:04.000 --> 03:03:04.040 Like? 3778 03:03:04.200 --> 03:03:06.799 The point is is that you are slowly descending into 3779 03:03:06.879 --> 03:03:11.559 hell and learning over time while you're killing all of 3780 03:03:11.639 --> 03:03:15.600 these terrible beasts and like monsters and discovering terrible things 3781 03:03:15.639 --> 03:03:17.719 about the other people who are in Silent Hill for 3782 03:03:18.399 --> 03:03:21.920 awful reasons. You are slowly coming to the realization that 3783 03:03:22.079 --> 03:03:25.360 you are not a good person and that Silent Hill 3784 03:03:25.479 --> 03:03:29.360 is your health. And I think it's one of the 3785 03:03:29.440 --> 03:03:32.360 first games that I played where I, over the course 3786 03:03:32.440 --> 03:03:36.920 of the story, really recognized and loathed my own character. 3787 03:03:37.639 --> 03:03:39.600 You still play as them, and you kind of still 3788 03:03:39.680 --> 03:03:44.200 solve it. It is beloved in terms of game storytelling 3789 03:03:44.479 --> 03:03:48.559 that the way that you play this game will ultimately 3790 03:03:48.639 --> 03:03:54.079 determine your ending. How much time you spend with Maria 3791 03:03:54.520 --> 03:03:57.639 can actually give you a better ending. Whether or not 3792 03:03:57.799 --> 03:04:00.120 you kill the final boss, you actually can choose not 3793 03:04:00.280 --> 03:04:05.360 to and take pity on them and be there for them. 3794 03:04:06.600 --> 03:04:09.959 All of that actually impacts the type of outcome for 3795 03:04:10.360 --> 03:04:12.959 your character, which is so fascinating. And why all of 3796 03:04:13.079 --> 03:04:17.239 the alternate endings for Silent Hill get mass amounts of views, 3797 03:04:17.360 --> 03:04:20.719 because it's really interesting to see how you choose to 3798 03:04:20.799 --> 03:04:24.440 play this out in this just dark and desolate and 3799 03:04:24.920 --> 03:04:28.440 despicable world it is. It is evil, and it really 3800 03:04:28.520 --> 03:04:31.920 deals with some dark shit. There are children. There are 3801 03:04:32.159 --> 03:04:34.280 very mature themes in this game that I didn't think 3802 03:04:34.319 --> 03:04:36.600 you could fucking do in video games and get away with. 3803 03:04:37.719 --> 03:04:42.360 Very serious topics are are in Silent Hill too, and 3804 03:04:42.399 --> 03:04:45.079 I think they're done with grace. I mean that, like 3805 03:04:45.200 --> 03:04:47.520 honestly in the sense like some of these things you 3806 03:04:47.600 --> 03:04:49.799 might like laugh at or scoff at, and you don't 3807 03:04:50.159 --> 03:04:52.520 laugh at what they're talking about in Silent Hell, like 3808 03:04:52.760 --> 03:04:56.600 very serious, intense topics. But somehow, even though you're like 3809 03:04:57.479 --> 03:05:00.840 switching between your shotgun and your uh, you know, your 3810 03:05:00.879 --> 03:05:03.360 sniper rifle or whatever it is that you have, you 3811 03:05:03.559 --> 03:05:06.440 are taking the situation very seriously. I think it does 3812 03:05:06.479 --> 03:05:09.840 it with grace and dignity for these characters, and so 3813 03:05:09.920 --> 03:05:13.319 I think it's a monumental achievement in story and character 3814 03:05:13.799 --> 03:05:17.239 design that Golden Night doesn't have any of that shit. 3815 03:05:17.360 --> 03:05:18.600 It's just really fun to play. 3816 03:05:19.200 --> 03:05:21.239 Well, No, I mean if you're an odd job, and 3817 03:05:21.360 --> 03:05:24.120 multiplayer you can chop dudes in the nuts and it's 3818 03:05:24.239 --> 03:05:25.399 very annoying for your friends. 3819 03:05:25.879 --> 03:05:27.719 If you throw a knife straight, it goes right in 3820 03:05:27.799 --> 03:05:28.200 the jaws. 3821 03:05:28.280 --> 03:05:32.239 Is nuts too. Yeah, that's a good time. Yeah slippers only. Yeah, 3822 03:05:34.239 --> 03:05:37.360 like I like a lot, but like. 3823 03:05:40.760 --> 03:05:43.520 I don't want to. You be really careful with how 3824 03:05:43.600 --> 03:05:45.920 you what you say next, because your next words are 3825 03:05:45.959 --> 03:05:47.440 gonna be muffled by your own cold night. 3826 03:05:47.520 --> 03:05:49.399 Gold Knight created a genre. 3827 03:05:50.280 --> 03:05:52.920 Yeah, it was the first first person shooter. Everyone knows this. 3828 03:05:53.959 --> 03:06:00.760 No, it brought the PC shooter's Doom, Wolfenstein Quake two consoles, 3829 03:06:00.799 --> 03:06:03.840 which nobody thought was possible at the time. But also 3830 03:06:04.120 --> 03:06:07.000 just you were talking communal experiences, like how hard that 3831 03:06:07.120 --> 03:06:10.000 game went on split screen. I mean, it didn't have 3832 03:06:10.040 --> 03:06:12.719 a choice to go anything but split screen in terms 3833 03:06:12.760 --> 03:06:16.360 of multiplayer at the time. But like the map variety 3834 03:06:16.639 --> 03:06:20.559 for its multiplayer, the picking between characters getting fucking pissed 3835 03:06:20.559 --> 03:06:23.159 when someone went odd job because they were shorter than 3836 03:06:23.159 --> 03:06:25.280 everybody else you couldn't shoot them. But like, yeah, I 3837 03:06:25.319 --> 03:06:27.520 don't know, it was it was a communal It was 3838 03:06:27.559 --> 03:06:30.680 a communal experience on par with like a precursor to 3839 03:06:31.120 --> 03:06:32.799 combat of all of land parties. 3840 03:06:33.520 --> 03:06:34.840 Which I mean more personal experience. 3841 03:06:34.879 --> 03:06:37.719 But yeah, but just speaking of personal experiences, like you 3842 03:06:37.920 --> 03:06:39.639 know how much I love Mario and did as a 3843 03:06:39.799 --> 03:06:42.200 you know, little child and stuff, and I still didn't 3844 03:06:42.200 --> 03:06:45.000 get a sixty four When it came out four launched 3845 03:06:45.079 --> 03:06:47.520 with Mario sixty four. I played at Target Kiosk and 3846 03:06:47.680 --> 03:06:49.319 was like, this is the craziest shit I've ever seen. 3847 03:06:49.840 --> 03:06:53.079 But I still, like, realistically could not afford it. You know, 3848 03:06:53.159 --> 03:06:55.479 there's just not like I was not able to play 3849 03:06:55.479 --> 03:06:57.440 it outside of a Target Kiosk or a friend's place. 3850 03:06:57.920 --> 03:07:00.559 Mario Kart came out. I love Mario Kart, I can't 3851 03:07:00.600 --> 03:07:01.840 There's no way I can get a sixty four. I 3852 03:07:01.879 --> 03:07:04.760 can't afford this thing. I played GoldenEye, and I went 3853 03:07:04.799 --> 03:07:06.479 to a couple of friends places after sixth grade and 3854 03:07:06.520 --> 03:07:07.559 played GoldenEye, and I was like. 3855 03:07:07.920 --> 03:07:11.120 I need to find a way to make this happen. 3856 03:07:11.280 --> 03:07:13.840 And I don't remember if that was mowing lawns or 3857 03:07:13.959 --> 03:07:15.959 selling a bunch of old games or something, but it 3858 03:07:16.079 --> 03:07:18.360 was like, you know, at a time where resources were 3859 03:07:18.520 --> 03:07:21.879 limited in terms of like my money and my resources, 3860 03:07:22.200 --> 03:07:24.959 I was like, whatever it takes, I have to have 3861 03:07:25.159 --> 03:07:28.040 this game in my house. So I held off Mario 3862 03:07:28.360 --> 03:07:31.120 love and ass that I was on in sixty four 3863 03:07:31.280 --> 03:07:32.879 until I played GoldenEye, and I was like, well, there's 3864 03:07:32.879 --> 03:07:33.680 not a choice anymore. 3865 03:07:33.799 --> 03:07:34.959 This is the coolest shit. 3866 03:07:35.079 --> 03:07:37.200 And especially like I again you talk about first personal 3867 03:07:37.200 --> 03:07:39.479 Trutters and Doom and all that stuff. I had these 3868 03:07:39.520 --> 03:07:43.280 shitty computers. I was not part of that FPS, you know, 3869 03:07:43.479 --> 03:07:45.639 the early days of that. I did play some Doom 3870 03:07:45.639 --> 03:07:48.520 in Wolfenstein, but in terms of like having something on 3871 03:07:48.559 --> 03:07:51.760 that level, like when it's new and relevant, GoldenEye was 3872 03:07:51.799 --> 03:07:53.600 the one where it's I have to have this, whatever 3873 03:07:53.799 --> 03:07:55.799 the cost, I have to and it was so much 3874 03:07:55.879 --> 03:07:58.280 fucking fun campaign multiplayer. 3875 03:07:58.479 --> 03:07:59.840 It just was the full package. 3876 03:08:00.239 --> 03:08:03.000 Yeah, and I love Doom and Wolfenstein, but I don't 3877 03:08:03.000 --> 03:08:08.120 think shooters would not be nearly as big as they 3878 03:08:08.120 --> 03:08:09.520 are today if it wasn't for GoldenEye. 3879 03:08:10.000 --> 03:08:11.879 Golden I is the predecessor of Halo to Call of 3880 03:08:11.959 --> 03:08:12.799 Duty to yeah. 3881 03:08:13.680 --> 03:08:17.479 Yeah, and also like the main missions, the campaign missions 3882 03:08:17.479 --> 03:08:19.639 for how they adapted the movie, and I didn't see 3883 03:08:19.680 --> 03:08:20.200 that movie. 3884 03:08:20.040 --> 03:08:22.559 For years after I had played the game many many times. 3885 03:08:22.600 --> 03:08:24.719 But like, not all of it is aged well, but 3886 03:08:24.799 --> 03:08:28.719 there's some really cool objective stuff where it's like the 3887 03:08:28.840 --> 03:08:30.319 train yard. It's like, all right, I gotta find the 3888 03:08:30.360 --> 03:08:32.840 black box, but that won't trigger Trevellian until I get 3889 03:08:32.879 --> 03:08:34.719 to this area and then all of a sudden, I'm 3890 03:08:34.760 --> 03:08:36.639 surrounded by guys on the edge of this area in 3891 03:08:36.719 --> 03:08:39.319 the dark that I didn't see. And you know, a 3892 03:08:39.360 --> 03:08:41.319 lot of this is through rose tinted glasses, of course 3893 03:08:41.319 --> 03:08:43.959 because it's the N sixty four, but so much of 3894 03:08:44.040 --> 03:08:47.319 the storytelling they got across in that in the mission 3895 03:08:47.360 --> 03:08:49.440 design was really impressive. 3896 03:08:49.000 --> 03:08:55.200 For ninety seven. Yeah, and also like the difficulty stuff. 3897 03:08:55.239 --> 03:08:58.000 Every game's difficulty settings was typically like the enemies have 3898 03:08:58.079 --> 03:08:59.760 more health and they hit you more and you take 3899 03:08:59.760 --> 03:09:02.840 more damage. This was between Agent Secret as Double Agent. 3900 03:09:02.959 --> 03:09:05.639 It was like the difference between on the dam, you 3901 03:09:05.840 --> 03:09:08.520 just run to the dam and jump off to Oh 3902 03:09:08.600 --> 03:09:10.440 I need to go here and go into this whole 3903 03:09:10.520 --> 03:09:12.000 area I didn't have to go to before, and I 3904 03:09:12.000 --> 03:09:14.639 had to disable these alarms like you see parts the 3905 03:09:14.760 --> 03:09:17.040 level and do things that you wouldn't do if you're 3906 03:09:17.040 --> 03:09:18.719 playing on a lower difficulty. So there was so much 3907 03:09:18.799 --> 03:09:19.520 depth to the campaign. 3908 03:09:19.559 --> 03:09:21.760 Yeah, they did that in Time Twitters two again. Yeah. 3909 03:09:21.840 --> 03:09:23.440 Yeah, no pre radical and all that stuff. Like they 3910 03:09:23.440 --> 03:09:26.120 were fantastic of that shit, and uh not that I 3911 03:09:26.120 --> 03:09:28.600 even mention the multiplayer, which was maybe the thing that's 3912 03:09:28.639 --> 03:09:32.319 most known for. Yeah yeah, Goldenn is the top ten 3913 03:09:32.879 --> 03:09:34.879 gold ye yeah, Golden Knye. 3914 03:09:35.559 --> 03:09:43.079 Okay, Golden Knye winds over Silent Hill too. Our next matchup, 3915 03:09:44.520 --> 03:09:47.559 Diablo two versus Super Mario sixty four. 3916 03:09:47.959 --> 03:09:54.639 Oh, come on, now, come on, now, let's not be silly. 3917 03:09:55.360 --> 03:09:58.719 Can I I don't think I don't need a full break. 3918 03:09:58.719 --> 03:10:00.600 I just want to run to the I think this 3919 03:10:00.719 --> 03:10:01.120 is you two. 3920 03:10:03.319 --> 03:10:09.520 Oh as far as the argument, do you have a horse? Yeah, oh, 3921 03:10:09.920 --> 03:10:12.200 then it's winning, Okay. I like we don't even talk 3922 03:10:12.239 --> 03:10:12.479 about it. 3923 03:10:12.600 --> 03:10:14.479 Diabo to quite a bit, but Mary, if you want 3924 03:10:14.520 --> 03:10:18.200 to a nice concession speech for Diablo. 3925 03:10:20.280 --> 03:10:23.159 I mean, one of the greatest stories ever told of 3926 03:10:23.440 --> 03:10:27.000 what the devil you are? You become the devil, you 3927 03:10:27.159 --> 03:10:30.040 fucking dickhead. You would know? 3928 03:10:31.040 --> 03:10:32.879 Yeah, who would have thought you would have talked that 3929 03:10:33.079 --> 03:10:35.719 definitively about loser. 3930 03:10:36.079 --> 03:10:42.200 I this is like an iconic game. 3931 03:10:42.399 --> 03:10:45.159 You furnest is going off every time you talk. 3932 03:10:45.319 --> 03:10:48.079 You know, every time, just like a little teapot is 3933 03:10:48.360 --> 03:10:53.360 boiling behind his stupid head. I mean, I think it's 3934 03:10:53.760 --> 03:10:55.760 this is silly. I think like we were just like 3935 03:10:55.920 --> 03:10:58.280 fighting about like how iconic Golden Eye was and like 3936 03:10:58.360 --> 03:11:00.719 how how it was like the Pinnacle like inspired all 3937 03:11:00.719 --> 03:11:04.760 these games. Yablo was like the ultimate of its time 3938 03:11:04.840 --> 03:11:09.479 as well of being able to I don't know, just 3939 03:11:10.959 --> 03:11:15.399 mass kill mass hordes of the undead for its time 3940 03:11:16.239 --> 03:11:18.360 in lots of different ways, and being able to like 3941 03:11:18.760 --> 03:11:23.920 compile different types of fighting styles. Uh, deciding your character 3942 03:11:24.040 --> 03:11:28.120 first of all was very iconic and important, but then 3943 03:11:29.000 --> 03:11:32.799 adding to your weapon. This is like a game I played. 3944 03:11:33.000 --> 03:11:36.319 You like played this obsessively in your basement. You played 3945 03:11:36.360 --> 03:11:38.239 this with your friends, and everyone talked about what happened. 3946 03:11:38.280 --> 03:11:40.879 You played this with your dad, or like with your parents, 3947 03:11:41.000 --> 03:11:43.440 or like with your older brother. This is like the 3948 03:11:43.760 --> 03:11:47.200 fucking game that everybody in their family households, like talked 3949 03:11:47.200 --> 03:11:52.440 about with each other. This game is iconic. I think 3950 03:11:52.479 --> 03:11:55.559 it's more iconic than Super Mario sixty four. I think 3951 03:11:55.600 --> 03:12:01.719 that it's more important. What I said, I actually think. 3952 03:12:04.280 --> 03:12:07.600 I think I think important to. 3953 03:12:07.920 --> 03:12:10.879 But yeah, Mario sixty four like proved three D could work. 3954 03:12:11.799 --> 03:12:15.120 Yeah, it's like the single biggest technological leap in the 3955 03:12:15.200 --> 03:12:16.079 history of the industry. 3956 03:12:16.440 --> 03:12:16.879 I mean. 3957 03:12:19.120 --> 03:12:22.959 Like, okay, like there's another one of him. There's more. 3958 03:12:23.879 --> 03:12:32.120 There's a mention Diablo was like iconic for its time. 3959 03:12:32.440 --> 03:12:36.040 It like changed the way we perceived like the depth 3960 03:12:36.120 --> 03:12:38.280 of these styles of video games, plus the story. 3961 03:12:39.559 --> 03:12:41.479 Six more literally added a D. 3962 03:12:42.000 --> 03:12:44.600 Yeah, that's like one that's just like one that's so 3963 03:12:44.719 --> 03:12:46.680 superficial one D. 3964 03:12:47.200 --> 03:12:47.440 Mary. 3965 03:12:47.639 --> 03:12:50.639 I love you so much and I any I would 3966 03:12:50.959 --> 03:12:53.959 follow your Diablo too, But I feel like you're just like. 3967 03:12:55.639 --> 03:13:02.239 Willfully. I think it's like the worst possible game you 3968 03:13:02.319 --> 03:13:03.920 could be going against with this argument. 3969 03:13:04.040 --> 03:13:07.680 I just disagree. I don't think I never played this 3970 03:13:07.879 --> 03:13:15.120 stupid game. Mario drown. 3971 03:13:16.959 --> 03:13:23.399 Just trying to kill him is what you're doing. What? Yeah, 3972 03:13:23.559 --> 03:13:24.600 I I. 3973 03:13:26.399 --> 03:13:28.120 Feel like you've gotten a few bad ones in a row, 3974 03:13:28.200 --> 03:13:31.680 Mary with your matchups, But like I, this one was 3975 03:13:31.799 --> 03:13:32.879 da I think. 3976 03:13:33.000 --> 03:13:37.280 Oh yeah, there's many games on this list you could 3977 03:13:37.319 --> 03:13:39.959 have had an argument with Diablo Mario's sixty four. 3978 03:13:44.920 --> 03:13:50.760 Okay, there's anything left to be said about Diablo. Feel free. 3979 03:13:51.120 --> 03:13:51.959 The stage is yours. 3980 03:13:52.959 --> 03:13:54.680 I think it's a better game, and you can go 3981 03:13:54.799 --> 03:14:03.280 fuck yourself. Mario Super sixty four beats Diablo too, fine, 3982 03:14:04.120 --> 03:14:05.879 all right, we have two more mashups? 3983 03:14:06.120 --> 03:14:08.000 Do you need to Yeah, I need to. 3984 03:14:11.319 --> 03:14:12.280 Gather my tears. 3985 03:14:13.040 --> 03:14:13.840 All right, we're back. 3986 03:14:15.280 --> 03:14:17.959 We have two more matchups in the first round. In 3987 03:14:18.079 --> 03:14:21.399 the first round, is this like potentially a part one 3988 03:14:21.479 --> 03:14:22.120 and two things. 3989 03:14:22.040 --> 03:14:23.600 Or it might be We're gonna have to see how 3990 03:14:23.680 --> 03:14:24.120 we go here? 3991 03:14:24.879 --> 03:14:25.479 Move fast one. 3992 03:14:26.360 --> 03:14:29.280 Keep in mind, I think after this first round, I 3993 03:14:29.360 --> 03:14:32.239 think in terms of the matchups, we are like half 3994 03:14:32.319 --> 03:14:35.239 done before and I think it's like sixty five matchups 3995 03:14:35.280 --> 03:14:36.479 for sixty four entrants. 3996 03:14:36.680 --> 03:14:38.840 We'll see how you feel because some of the secondary 3997 03:14:38.879 --> 03:14:40.360 matchups are gonna be bret but these are. 3998 03:14:40.319 --> 03:14:42.959 Gonna be that's gonna be like majora versus Like, these 3999 03:14:43.000 --> 03:14:45.479 are gonna be a game. We really we've laid the 4000 03:14:45.600 --> 03:14:47.959 groundwork for why they We'll see. 4001 03:14:48.040 --> 03:14:50.360 Yeah, let's readdress after the next round. 4002 03:14:50.760 --> 03:14:55.559 Okay, So the next one is Resident Evil to remake 4003 03:14:56.000 --> 03:14:57.879 versus Metro Last Light. 4004 03:15:00.239 --> 03:15:04.680 I mean I can speed they both are. I can 4005 03:15:04.719 --> 03:15:06.799 speed this one along. It's resuable to remake. 4006 03:15:07.559 --> 03:15:08.600 I won't fight that at all. 4007 03:15:08.879 --> 03:15:10.760 Possibly the honestly the best. 4008 03:15:10.639 --> 03:15:11.479 Remake of all time. 4009 03:15:11.520 --> 03:15:14.120 I think over a resumeable one remake, I would have 4010 03:15:14.200 --> 03:15:17.680 to say Metro Last Light. If you're looking for if 4011 03:15:17.719 --> 03:15:19.399 you love half life, two and you a lot of 4012 03:15:19.440 --> 03:15:21.360 shooters just aren't doing it for you, and you're looking 4013 03:15:21.399 --> 03:15:23.360 for like the true spiritual successor. 4014 03:15:23.399 --> 03:15:25.280 I've said this for a long time. Metro Last Light 4015 03:15:25.399 --> 03:15:29.079 is the actual spiritual successor to Half Life two. It's 4016 03:15:29.079 --> 03:15:30.680 the best thing you could play as a shooter, and 4017 03:15:30.959 --> 03:15:33.200 before Half Life three comes out, if it ever comes out, 4018 03:15:34.319 --> 03:15:37.079 it's it's the first Metro twenty to thirty three, really 4019 03:15:37.159 --> 03:15:40.120 rough around the edges. Metro Last Light. 4020 03:15:40.760 --> 03:15:45.280 Incredible linear, but then there's these open ended sequences you're 4021 03:15:45.280 --> 03:15:50.680 also managing, like Survival Light elements in incredibly atmospheric, underground 4022 03:15:50.719 --> 03:15:53.319 and above ground, post apocalyptic wasteland in Russia. 4023 03:15:54.000 --> 03:15:54.319 Exit. 4024 03:15:54.399 --> 03:15:56.399 This is great, but I feel like it definitely lost 4025 03:15:56.479 --> 03:15:59.600 something of the craft when it went away from the 4026 03:15:59.639 --> 03:16:01.200 linear already of Last Light. 4027 03:16:01.600 --> 03:16:03.719 But yeah, God resume to remake. I'll save everything I 4028 03:16:03.799 --> 03:16:04.879 want to say for next round. 4029 03:16:05.360 --> 03:16:06.000 But it's. 4030 03:16:07.440 --> 03:16:09.440 Yeah, if you liked Half Life two but you wish 4031 03:16:09.520 --> 03:16:11.840 you had to press the button every five minutes Gordon 4032 03:16:11.879 --> 03:16:14.760 Freeman wipe his glasses off, then you love Metro exactly. 4033 03:16:14.840 --> 03:16:20.760 Yes, yes, yes, okay, the second one. I hated every 4034 03:16:20.840 --> 03:16:21.760 Metro I've ever played. 4035 03:16:22.479 --> 03:16:27.479 Great Resident Evil to remake wins over Metro Last Light 4036 03:16:27.680 --> 03:16:28.280 our final. 4037 03:16:28.559 --> 03:16:29.959 I know one game that's going to be in this, 4038 03:16:30.079 --> 03:16:30.959 it has not come up yet. 4039 03:16:31.399 --> 03:16:36.479 Our final matchup is I haven't heard Mario enough. Doom 4040 03:16:36.959 --> 03:16:39.280 versus the Legend of Zelda, Breath of the Wild. 4041 03:16:39.399 --> 03:16:41.159 It was Breath of the Wild. We haven't talked about 4042 03:16:41.159 --> 03:16:41.600 Breath the Wild. 4043 03:16:41.639 --> 03:16:45.600 Wow, a little weird. The dirty draw for Doom shit 4044 03:16:45.840 --> 03:16:49.079 twenty sixteen Doom. Yeah, and you put that in there. 4045 03:16:49.920 --> 03:16:50.920 Uh No, I did not. 4046 03:16:51.600 --> 03:16:53.799 No, I did that based on I did I did 4047 03:16:53.840 --> 03:16:56.920 that based on popular demand, and I actually was thinking 4048 03:16:57.000 --> 03:16:59.479 it should be the original because it was pretty fucking important. 4049 03:17:00.479 --> 03:17:04.840 It's incredibly important. Yeah, yeah, yeah, what are you going 4050 03:17:04.920 --> 03:17:05.159 to say? 4051 03:17:05.200 --> 03:17:08.760 Though I know, I know it got it got a 4052 03:17:08.799 --> 03:17:13.239 dirty draw. I think it actually would have won over 4053 03:17:13.319 --> 03:17:15.280 some other games just because it is. It has a 4054 03:17:15.399 --> 03:17:18.719 very important origin, and uh, it was kind of timeless, 4055 03:17:19.200 --> 03:17:21.520 much like Diablo. I would say, like this was the 4056 03:17:21.600 --> 03:17:24.879 game that, like when I walked into my cousin's room 4057 03:17:24.959 --> 03:17:27.399 and they were playing this, everybody shut the fuck up 4058 03:17:27.479 --> 03:17:30.760 and watched them play Doom like Doom was fucking sick. 4059 03:17:31.040 --> 03:17:34.280 It did a lot. It was very important. It is 4060 03:17:34.399 --> 03:17:36.840 so hard to come up against Breath of the Wild, though. 4061 03:17:36.959 --> 03:17:39.440 So exist without due. 4062 03:17:40.399 --> 03:17:44.879 I know in many ways should have put GoldenEye against 4063 03:17:45.239 --> 03:17:49.520 Doom instead of Silent Hill One would say, Okay, you 4064 03:17:49.559 --> 03:17:50.639 guys are ready for round two. 4065 03:17:51.000 --> 03:17:51.280 That's it. 4066 03:17:53.520 --> 03:17:55.559 There were some games that didn't make it. I don't 4067 03:17:55.559 --> 03:17:57.479 know if you want to do any honorable mentions. If 4068 03:17:57.520 --> 03:18:00.920 you were like I would, I'm like, so sad weren't there. 4069 03:18:00.920 --> 03:18:06.680 Mario, ma Sunshine, Marie Galaxy One, Yep, Mari Pretty World. 4070 03:18:06.840 --> 03:18:09.079 I promised I would do up to fifteen, and I 4071 03:18:09.159 --> 03:18:11.319 did as many as I could, Like I think I got. 4072 03:18:11.239 --> 03:18:12.079 Up to like teen. 4073 03:18:12.200 --> 03:18:14.079 For most of us we talked about. 4074 03:18:14.600 --> 03:18:17.879 Twisted Metal two didn't make it, Castlevania Symphony of the 4075 03:18:18.000 --> 03:18:21.600 Night didn't make it, Mortal Kombat two didn't make it, 4076 03:18:23.159 --> 03:18:26.719 Batman Arkham Astylum, Kingdom Hearts, wor Frame. 4077 03:18:28.120 --> 03:18:32.360 Kingdom Heart was my honorable mention. I love the first game. 4078 03:18:32.479 --> 03:18:35.799 I wanted to put Outer Wild, but I killed off 4079 03:18:35.879 --> 03:18:36.840 my own baby. 4080 03:18:37.159 --> 03:18:39.360 God for you when I said that, Ah, the idea 4081 03:18:39.399 --> 03:18:41.520 of you playing you're way too cool. I don't. 4082 03:18:41.639 --> 03:18:43.600 I don't like any of them except for the first game, 4083 03:18:43.680 --> 03:18:45.879 and it's all nostalgia. It's all nostalgia. 4084 03:18:46.319 --> 03:18:49.239 I think that was a tough one. 4085 03:18:49.879 --> 03:18:52.680 Mass Effect two is oh yeah, Massfect two is really fun. 4086 03:18:52.840 --> 03:18:54.680 No, it's fine, I know, but it didn't even hit 4087 03:18:54.879 --> 03:18:57.920 your twenty. So to me, I was like, it can't 4088 03:18:57.959 --> 03:18:59.959 be that important if it didn't hit any of our 4089 03:19:00.079 --> 03:19:00.600 top twenty. 4090 03:19:00.840 --> 03:19:04.040 But I don't know what the hottest take is tonight. 4091 03:19:04.639 --> 03:19:07.959 That Diablo two is more important than Mario sixty four 4092 03:19:08.120 --> 03:19:10.440 or Dan saying men on your solid is the best 4093 03:19:10.559 --> 03:19:12.079 story in any medium ever. 4094 03:19:13.399 --> 03:19:15.159 I will I will die on that hill. 4095 03:19:15.239 --> 03:19:15.920 You're gonna die. 4096 03:19:16.000 --> 03:19:17.760 Also, you're gonna die on a hill. 4097 03:19:17.879 --> 03:19:21.079 Keep in mind, I know, like fourteen storms, what are 4098 03:19:21.120 --> 03:19:22.360 you gonna do? Shoot me? 4099 03:19:22.840 --> 03:19:24.600 Said man right before he was shot. 4100 03:19:25.000 --> 03:19:28.280 Anyway, Okay, yeah, times Twitters two would have been fun, 4101 03:19:28.319 --> 03:19:31.000 but I yeah, anyway, all right. 4102 03:19:30.920 --> 03:19:37.920 Okay, cool, I'm moving on, uh to round two, Round 4103 03:19:37.959 --> 03:19:40.440 two start. I'm going to just start back at the 4104 03:19:40.520 --> 03:19:43.639 top so these won't shock you, because these are the winners. 4105 03:19:44.600 --> 03:19:47.600 Tetris versus Dishonored two. 4106 03:19:54.319 --> 03:20:00.399 We're gathering here bridge no dishonor to so of the best. 4107 03:20:00.520 --> 03:20:02.600 I mean, it's up there with hit Man World assassination, 4108 03:20:02.879 --> 03:20:06.000 like level design, holy shit, cracking the slab and the 4109 03:20:06.079 --> 03:20:09.319 clockwork mansion are I still don't know how Arcane pulled 4110 03:20:09.319 --> 03:20:12.079 it off. Arkane is one of the most underappreciated developers 4111 03:20:12.120 --> 03:20:16.000 around today period. Even with all the critical adoration, death 4112 03:20:16.079 --> 03:20:21.200 Loop got Dishonored two being able to play both Corvo 4113 03:20:21.319 --> 03:20:24.200 and Emily in one of the most unique video game 4114 03:20:24.239 --> 03:20:27.319 worlds established by Dishonor one, with like the whaling industry 4115 03:20:27.399 --> 03:20:34.200 and this steampunk meets Victorian meets supernatural. I absolutely think 4116 03:20:34.319 --> 03:20:37.680 Dishonor two is the best immersive sim ever, still, unless 4117 03:20:37.799 --> 03:20:40.120 you count hit Man World Assassination as immersed sim, which 4118 03:20:40.159 --> 03:20:40.559 I kind of do. 4119 03:20:42.600 --> 03:20:45.559 It's phenomenal, but it's not Tetris. It still holds up 4120 03:20:45.600 --> 03:20:46.920 really well. I just like I said, I played it 4121 03:20:46.920 --> 03:20:48.479 a couple of weeks I started a new campaign a 4122 03:20:48.479 --> 03:20:49.079 couple of weeks ago. 4123 03:20:51.120 --> 03:20:59.799 Tetris, Tetristris, Tetris, you bad bitch. You go against Dishonored 4124 03:20:59.840 --> 03:21:02.639 in win. Tetris wins against Dishonored too. 4125 03:21:03.200 --> 03:21:05.959 You know, I've read and heard so many bad takes 4126 03:21:05.959 --> 03:21:08.680 about video games over the years. I still have yet 4127 03:21:08.879 --> 03:21:11.079 to see the earnest, Like, let me tell you why 4128 03:21:11.159 --> 03:21:12.040 Tetris is bad. 4129 03:21:12.319 --> 03:21:13.879 I could think of a few people who would write 4130 03:21:13.879 --> 03:21:16.360 it and try to. Yeah, I think we know some folks, 4131 03:21:16.399 --> 03:21:21.360 but yeah, god, I want what if I like, I'm 4132 03:21:21.399 --> 03:21:22.920 not gonna do this, but what if I broke off 4133 03:21:22.959 --> 03:21:24.680 and like started my own Patreon and that was my 4134 03:21:24.760 --> 03:21:26.799 first article, Like Tetris is fucking terrible. 4135 03:21:27.319 --> 03:21:28.559 Bad is bad. 4136 03:21:28.840 --> 03:21:33.000 Actually, if you like Tetris, you're bad at games. 4137 03:21:33.120 --> 03:21:35.319 If you're like Tetris, then you're a fucking. 4138 03:21:37.680 --> 03:21:42.799 Communist. I was gonna say some kind of like nonsensical 4139 03:21:42.959 --> 03:21:44.399 argument that really heats them up. 4140 03:21:47.879 --> 03:21:50.399 Yeah, like commy stuff, I shouldn't do voices. 4141 03:21:51.040 --> 03:21:54.920 What's the next matchup? The next matchup is what's going 4142 03:21:54.959 --> 03:21:56.760 to match up against Tetris next round? 4143 03:21:57.079 --> 03:21:58.200 Oh yeah, what's gonna die? 4144 03:21:58.799 --> 03:22:05.000 Metroid Prime versus Command and Conquer Red Alert to Oh. 4145 03:22:06.319 --> 03:22:09.399 Fuck, which one has a better chance to? No, I'm 4146 03:22:09.399 --> 03:22:12.399 not I shouldn't think ahead, Look, gal, it's not like ahead. 4147 03:22:12.639 --> 03:22:13.719 I think in the short term. 4148 03:22:14.559 --> 03:22:18.680 I know, for this podcast specifically, there is some serious 4149 03:22:18.799 --> 03:22:19.799 love for Red Alert too. 4150 03:22:20.200 --> 03:22:23.120 I yeah, that's my vote. I care so much more 4151 03:22:23.120 --> 03:22:25.239 about it than Metroid Prime. I think Metroid Prime is 4152 03:22:25.280 --> 03:22:26.319 fucking rad. 4153 03:22:26.879 --> 03:22:27.079 Yeah. 4154 03:22:27.959 --> 03:22:29.920 Red Alert two is the gift that keeps on giving 4155 03:22:30.399 --> 03:22:33.280 incredible one on one multiplayer just I Also one thing 4156 03:22:33.319 --> 03:22:37.040 we didn't talk about first round. So many strategy games 4157 03:22:37.079 --> 03:22:41.520 are so overly concerned with balance, and I know it's 4158 03:22:41.600 --> 03:22:43.319 a I'm not I don't mean to say this game 4159 03:22:43.399 --> 03:22:46.040 is in balance, but it really fucking is. There's no 4160 03:22:46.120 --> 03:22:48.799 population there's no population cap, meaning you can make as 4161 03:22:48.840 --> 03:22:51.360 big of an army as your computer can handle, which at. 4162 03:22:51.239 --> 03:22:52.959 The time rocketeers yep. 4163 03:22:54.440 --> 03:22:56.520 That that game is just like g I Joe bullshit, 4164 03:22:56.680 --> 03:22:58.879 like we can you can make whatever the fuck you want. 4165 03:22:59.319 --> 03:23:01.559 If you can make it bigger and faster than your enemy, 4166 03:23:01.600 --> 03:23:04.239 you're probably gonna win. But also they might have laser 4167 03:23:04.360 --> 03:23:06.559 anti air towers that can fuck you up, and there's 4168 03:23:06.559 --> 03:23:06.879 gonna be. 4169 03:23:07.360 --> 03:23:10.719 Made a bunch of blimps. Yeah uh yeah. 4170 03:23:12.159 --> 03:23:19.159 Al for me, it wasn't even going against Metro Prime Primecredible. 4171 03:23:20.159 --> 03:23:22.719 We're at that point where every game that is coming up, 4172 03:23:22.840 --> 03:23:24.520 we're probably all gonna be like, yeah, that game is 4173 03:23:24.559 --> 03:23:25.200 fucking incredible. 4174 03:23:25.280 --> 03:23:28.719 Yeah, but alert. 4175 03:23:33.120 --> 03:23:37.840 Okay, I don't think go play Prime. If you haven't 4176 03:23:37.840 --> 03:23:40.760 played Prime, there's remastered right there. I want to replay Metrics. 4177 03:23:41.840 --> 03:23:42.840 It's phenomenal. 4178 03:23:43.000 --> 03:23:46.280 The map is fucking insane, like you'll lose your ship 4179 03:23:46.319 --> 03:23:47.600 when you look at the map at the end of 4180 03:23:47.639 --> 03:23:54.159 this game. All right, red Alert two wins over. You 4181 03:23:54.200 --> 03:23:55.760 guys are breaking my soul. 4182 03:23:57.159 --> 03:23:58.399 We have to do the funniest thing. 4183 03:23:58.600 --> 03:24:06.959 Yeah, no, no, no agendas being reasonable. Sorry, I just 4184 03:24:07.479 --> 03:24:09.440 I think you guys are laughing too much. Metal Gear 4185 03:24:09.520 --> 03:24:11.879 Solid three Snake Eater versus Stardew Valley. 4186 03:24:12.959 --> 03:24:17.920 Oh look, I like starting a lot. Okay, let's be really. 4187 03:24:18.000 --> 03:24:18.920 You know what I am. 4188 03:24:19.000 --> 03:24:23.920 Actually I think I'm swayable on this one. I love 4189 03:24:24.000 --> 03:24:24.920 metal Gear to a point. 4190 03:24:24.959 --> 03:24:27.959 Okay, here's okay. Starty Valley was my game of the 4191 03:24:28.040 --> 03:24:31.799 Year twenty fifteen. The big hit I would give against it, 4192 03:24:31.920 --> 03:24:34.440 which did not impact my enjoyment of the game in 4193 03:24:34.520 --> 03:24:39.840 the least, was that it was intentionally and unapologetically this 4194 03:24:39.959 --> 03:24:45.799 isn't a bad thing derivative of Harvest Moon. So all 4195 03:24:45.840 --> 03:24:47.879 the things I loved about it when I played it. 4196 03:24:48.760 --> 03:24:50.799 If I had just been introduced to Harvest Moon or 4197 03:24:50.840 --> 03:24:55.159 given it a chance ten fifteen years before, I probably 4198 03:24:55.280 --> 03:24:57.360 would have fucking loved it. But it just just so 4199 03:24:57.479 --> 03:25:00.280 happened to be my first farming sin and it does 4200 03:25:00.520 --> 03:25:02.200 you know, from people who played more games than that 4201 03:25:02.319 --> 03:25:05.159 genre than me, it does seem to be an incredible 4202 03:25:05.200 --> 03:25:06.680 one of those and one of the best, if not 4203 03:25:06.760 --> 03:25:11.399 the best, but it was it had other games had 4204 03:25:11.479 --> 03:25:14.600 laid the groundwork, whereas Snake Eater was the first snake eater, 4205 03:25:14.760 --> 03:25:17.520 the first thing on that level. So that that is 4206 03:25:17.840 --> 03:25:19.600 if I had to kind of kill one of my 4207 03:25:19.680 --> 03:25:22.079 babies here, that's what I would say about Stardu. 4208 03:25:24.600 --> 03:25:26.159 What do you mean it was the first snake eater. 4209 03:25:26.239 --> 03:25:29.440 Stardu was the first Stardo, like Snake Eater is first, 4210 03:25:30.239 --> 03:25:33.600 like you know, uh, I don't know. Whatever fucking stupid 4211 03:25:33.639 --> 03:25:38.280 game it is where it's like a describe what makes 4212 03:25:38.319 --> 03:25:42.079 it so innovative because it's it's. 4213 03:25:42.479 --> 03:25:44.959 Third in it Outdoor Stealth was huge at the time. 4214 03:25:45.040 --> 03:25:46.280 It's the third in a metal gear. 4215 03:25:47.399 --> 03:25:49.760 But it's it's it's very unlike one and two. 4216 03:25:50.319 --> 03:25:51.440 It's my favorite, but it's not. 4217 03:25:51.559 --> 03:25:53.840 But it's this isn't Harvest Moon three. This is the 4218 03:25:53.920 --> 03:25:56.639 first Stardo. This is the first in its universe. 4219 03:25:56.680 --> 03:25:59.159 Right, But like the format and what you're doing is 4220 03:25:59.280 --> 03:26:02.159 incredibly finiscent of what you do in Harvest. 4221 03:26:01.840 --> 03:26:04.479 Moon, where it's not incredibly reminiscent of what you do 4222 03:26:04.600 --> 03:26:05.159 in Metal Gear. 4223 03:26:05.920 --> 03:26:08.520 I mean you are sneaking around, you are killing guys 4224 03:26:08.559 --> 03:26:10.639 and stuff like that. But the setting, the way the 4225 03:26:10.719 --> 03:26:13.159 story is laid out, the time frame and effort like 4226 03:26:13.239 --> 03:26:15.360 there is, there's a lot that Snake Eater does to 4227 03:26:15.440 --> 03:26:18.719 differentiate itself from Metal Gear Solid one and two for sure, 4228 03:26:19.600 --> 03:26:21.879 Like there's I can't think of a game before Snake 4229 03:26:21.920 --> 03:26:25.639 Eater that feels just like Snake Eater, whereas Harvest Moons 4230 03:26:25.719 --> 03:26:30.440 are incredibly similar to Stardy Valley from look to gameplay 4231 03:26:30.600 --> 03:26:35.319 to format. Absolutely, But it's not about innovative. It is 4232 03:26:35.399 --> 03:26:37.559 about our favorite and that's what it comes down to. 4233 03:26:37.879 --> 03:26:43.760 And I just think Snake Eater, h No the best game. Yes, yes, 4234 03:26:43.920 --> 03:26:46.920 I started Valley is very very, very very good. 4235 03:26:47.120 --> 03:26:50.879 I love that game. Meddle Year Solid three. The moments 4236 03:26:51.079 --> 03:26:53.920 of gameplay, moments I had will stick with me. 4237 03:26:54.120 --> 03:26:57.920 And then the story itself is as much as I say, like, Oh, 4238 03:26:57.959 --> 03:27:01.319 Medal Year is the best story ever, these stories, specifically 4239 03:27:01.360 --> 03:27:03.440 of Snake Eater is the best story I've ever seen. 4240 03:27:03.319 --> 03:27:03.719 In a game. 4241 03:27:04.559 --> 03:27:08.040 Mary, For the record, I'm not like decided. I love 4242 03:27:08.159 --> 03:27:11.799 Metal Gear. Snake Eater is my favorite, but I like 4243 03:27:11.879 --> 03:27:14.280 Metal Gear to a point, I don't adore it as 4244 03:27:14.360 --> 03:27:15.079 much as Dan does. 4245 03:27:15.280 --> 03:27:16.680 I love Stardoo as well. 4246 03:27:17.719 --> 03:27:22.079 I think every metal gear has its little foibles, right, 4247 03:27:22.159 --> 03:27:25.959 They're not perfect games, and they have like flaws. Stardo 4248 03:27:26.840 --> 03:27:31.159 is quintessential. It is just one of these iconic games 4249 03:27:31.200 --> 03:27:34.120 that doesn't really have any issues. You can spend your 4250 03:27:34.200 --> 03:27:37.479 day fishing. You can spend it in the Minds. You 4251 03:27:37.680 --> 03:27:41.239 can spend it romancing people. You can spend it trying 4252 03:27:41.319 --> 03:27:46.399 to get a unique item that you can fill your 4253 03:27:46.440 --> 03:27:50.719 rolodex with. I love getting the Minds and opening up 4254 03:27:50.719 --> 03:27:53.040 a geode and seeing what you can discover with it, 4255 03:27:53.959 --> 03:27:58.280 plus the romance options. This game continues to be updated. 4256 03:27:58.719 --> 03:28:01.319 It is insane how many updates this game has had 4257 03:28:01.440 --> 03:28:03.920 over the last ten years. The guy just keeps adding 4258 03:28:04.079 --> 03:28:07.479 to it. And it is so intricate that no matter 4259 03:28:07.559 --> 03:28:10.360 how you choose to spend your day, you have a 4260 03:28:10.559 --> 03:28:14.680 great day. This game is peaceful, it is calming. It 4261 03:28:14.719 --> 03:28:20.040 will lower your blood pressure. This game is designed to 4262 03:28:20.280 --> 03:28:24.239 just give you pure endorphin rushes and make you feel 4263 03:28:24.360 --> 03:28:29.559 the It's like game serotonin. It is so delightful and whimsical, 4264 03:28:29.799 --> 03:28:33.639 and the music, the visuals, it's all expertly designed to 4265 03:28:33.719 --> 03:28:37.399 get you to just enjoy your day and start you. 4266 03:28:38.399 --> 03:28:41.319 Yeah, but also if you want to fucking minmax shit 4267 03:28:41.520 --> 03:28:44.600 and be a psychopath who can make those crazy farms 4268 03:28:44.680 --> 03:28:50.159 by like day fourteen, the underlying intricate systems are there 4269 03:28:50.360 --> 03:28:55.079 for you to have this fucking hydro farm in two weeks, just. 4270 03:28:55.360 --> 03:28:57.440 Not to build onut what you're saying. It's also can 4271 03:28:57.520 --> 03:28:58.639 be pretty hardcore. 4272 03:28:58.319 --> 03:28:59.000 If you want it to be. 4273 03:28:59.399 --> 03:29:03.000 It's true. My friend Josh plays it totally different than me, 4274 03:29:03.280 --> 03:29:08.000 and like he plays it like Factorio and it's kind 4275 03:29:08.040 --> 03:29:10.239 of insane to watch because I don't play it like 4276 03:29:10.319 --> 03:29:13.680 that at all. I play it to like romance people 4277 03:29:14.040 --> 03:29:16.559 and make as many friends as I can, and also 4278 03:29:16.639 --> 03:29:19.239 I do like to make at least some money, but 4279 03:29:19.360 --> 03:29:21.760 ultimately I just kind of like want to win best 4280 03:29:21.879 --> 03:29:26.040 prize at the fair because it feels good, and I 4281 03:29:26.280 --> 03:29:30.079 like to complete the Rolodex, like I want to complete 4282 03:29:30.079 --> 03:29:32.600 all the different items that are you know, in the 4283 03:29:32.760 --> 03:29:35.559 museum and things like that, so you can play it 4284 03:29:35.639 --> 03:29:38.079 however you want and still have the best time. I 4285 03:29:38.159 --> 03:29:40.520 really do think it's also universal. I think everybody who 4286 03:29:40.600 --> 03:29:43.760 plays that game similarly to Tetris, I just don't see 4287 03:29:43.760 --> 03:29:46.280 a lot of people saying Stardu sucks, Like it's just 4288 03:29:46.520 --> 03:29:49.520 not something people tend to criticize it's just too wholesome. 4289 03:29:50.520 --> 03:29:53.760 You're right in that started that does not have many flaws. 4290 03:29:53.799 --> 03:29:55.520 In fact, I'm struggling to kind of think of one. 4291 03:29:56.680 --> 03:29:59.000 But in terms of you know, you're asking about like, oh, 4292 03:29:59.040 --> 03:30:00.559 what a's snaky, or do it was different than one 4293 03:30:00.639 --> 03:30:02.799 or two or game support or something. I'd like to 4294 03:30:03.280 --> 03:30:05.639 just narrow win on one specific part of that game. 4295 03:30:07.920 --> 03:30:10.079 Leading up to the middle of that game, you have 4296 03:30:10.280 --> 03:30:13.440 been taught basic things like you've got these goggles that 4297 03:30:13.520 --> 03:30:15.440 are thermal, You've got these things that you should pay 4298 03:30:15.440 --> 03:30:17.799 attention to in the environment. You've got these binoculars and 4299 03:30:17.799 --> 03:30:19.760 stuff like that, whatever, so you know how to use 4300 03:30:19.799 --> 03:30:22.120 this stuff. And then suddenly you are thrust into a 4301 03:30:22.200 --> 03:30:25.399 thing where you were in a larger area and there 4302 03:30:25.520 --> 03:30:28.760 is a sniper. There is an older sniper that is 4303 03:30:29.200 --> 03:30:30.440 it's like a one hundred years old It is this 4304 03:30:30.440 --> 03:30:32.959 ancient dude that's trying to kill you, and you have 4305 03:30:33.040 --> 03:30:35.239 to take everything the game has taught you leading up 4306 03:30:35.280 --> 03:30:37.959 to that point to be like, what do I fucking 4307 03:30:38.040 --> 03:30:40.559 do here? I can't see this guy. He's not like, Okay, 4308 03:30:40.559 --> 03:30:42.520 I'll turn on my radar thing here, But it's picking 4309 03:30:42.600 --> 03:30:44.040 up all these birds, and shit, I don't know which 4310 03:30:44.079 --> 03:30:46.600 one he is. Turn on the thermal things, I can't see. Oh, 4311 03:30:46.600 --> 03:30:48.520 maybe there's some fresh footprints there. But then how it 4312 03:30:48.600 --> 03:30:50.360 rains it gets cold, I can't tell there. And so 4313 03:30:50.479 --> 03:30:54.239 you're just kind of like walking around very uneasy. Occasionally 4314 03:30:54.280 --> 03:30:56.159 you're hearing him kind of like bark out at you 4315 03:30:56.319 --> 03:30:58.479 or taunt you or whatever, or his fucking birds yelling 4316 03:30:58.479 --> 03:31:01.920 at you or something. And it can be what's that 4317 03:31:02.120 --> 03:31:05.639 he's got, like a parrot, and you can there's so 4318 03:31:05.719 --> 03:31:07.760 many different paths to get this guy. You could kill 4319 03:31:07.799 --> 03:31:09.680 his parrot and he's mourning the parrot, and you sneak 4320 03:31:09.760 --> 03:31:11.319 up on him and steel his fucking closed and his 4321 03:31:11.360 --> 03:31:13.520 gun and everything and choke him out or whatever. Or 4322 03:31:13.879 --> 03:31:15.479 you can just kind of be like, you know, sitting 4323 03:31:15.520 --> 03:31:18.360 in a bush scanning with binoculars and you see the 4324 03:31:18.399 --> 03:31:20.159 glint of his scope and you can just shoot this 4325 03:31:20.239 --> 03:31:24.440 motherfucker in the head. You can fucking save the game 4326 03:31:24.479 --> 03:31:26.120 in the middle and come back a week later and 4327 03:31:26.200 --> 03:31:28.959 he dies of old age. You could you could have 4328 03:31:29.639 --> 03:31:34.159 ye two scenes before that, after a cutscene he's in 4329 03:31:34.239 --> 03:31:37.399 a wheelchair, and after the cutscene ends. If you zoom 4330 03:31:37.440 --> 03:31:39.920 in with your sniper rifle, you can catch him. There's 4331 03:31:39.959 --> 03:31:41.520 like a brief little window where you see the boss 4332 03:31:41.520 --> 03:31:43.680 wheel your new house. You can shoot him in his 4333 03:31:43.760 --> 03:31:47.799 wheelchair and he fucking explodes and dies and you don't 4334 03:31:47.920 --> 03:31:49.719 have to do the hour long boss fight. 4335 03:31:49.799 --> 03:31:52.280 Or like Drew Scanlon did a Melgar salad and just 4336 03:31:52.360 --> 03:31:55.159 like freak out and panic and throwd that just actually 4337 03:31:55.239 --> 03:31:56.520 landed next to him in the jungle. 4338 03:31:56.719 --> 03:31:56.920 Yeah. 4339 03:31:57.120 --> 03:31:59.639 Yeah, It's like, you know, Meddleger's Solid three is not 4340 03:31:59.719 --> 03:32:01.399 on a imercive sim but I feel like it's one 4341 03:32:01.440 --> 03:32:05.120 of those everyone's got their stories of like, oh here's 4342 03:32:05.200 --> 03:32:08.200 how I did it, you know, and what a remark 4343 03:32:08.399 --> 03:32:10.159 like you talk about what differentiates it from like one 4344 03:32:10.200 --> 03:32:13.520 and two. There's nothing like the end fight in Middleger 4345 03:32:13.600 --> 03:32:16.280 Solid one or two. Like there's very few things in 4346 03:32:16.440 --> 03:32:20.200 games since that are like that fight, and that is 4347 03:32:20.280 --> 03:32:22.440 the extreme example in three, But there are just so 4348 03:32:22.719 --> 03:32:24.479 many different things where it's like if you do this, 4349 03:32:24.600 --> 03:32:26.440 this weird thing will happen. All these things that I 4350 03:32:26.559 --> 03:32:29.440 saw that Mike didn't play while he's playing through. On 4351 03:32:29.600 --> 03:32:32.200 top of it just being a killer story from ginning 4352 03:32:32.200 --> 03:32:36.639 to end, incredible setting, it's just like it's it's unmatched. 4353 03:32:37.280 --> 03:32:44.440 Yeah, Mary, I'm sorry. I think I've a few in 4354 03:32:44.520 --> 03:32:46.680 a row. I feel like you're getting bad matchups. But 4355 03:32:46.799 --> 03:32:48.840 Snakier is the one male your solid. I'll go to 4356 03:32:48.920 --> 03:32:50.680 bat far and like just thinking about. 4357 03:32:50.440 --> 03:32:51.959 The same for your wife. 4358 03:32:52.520 --> 03:33:01.120 Yeah, to finds in the mud. She has a parrot. 4359 03:33:01.879 --> 03:33:04.559 She does hide in the jungle often. She's one hundred. 4360 03:33:04.959 --> 03:33:09.600 Yeah, keep little gear Solid three. Snake Eater wins over 4361 03:33:09.719 --> 03:33:10.479 Stardeo Valley. 4362 03:33:12.159 --> 03:33:13.399 That was a weird matchup. 4363 03:33:14.000 --> 03:33:19.799 Yeah, all right. Next matchup Years of War versus Super 4364 03:33:19.920 --> 03:33:23.760 Mario Odyssey. I am taking so many els and I 4365 03:33:23.920 --> 03:33:28.159 feel like my deck I'm just gonna literally do I 4366 03:33:28.280 --> 03:33:29.479 know Odyssey is gonna win? 4367 03:33:29.799 --> 03:33:30.879 This is a question. 4368 03:33:31.319 --> 03:33:35.360 I know that we all know that everyone's time dragged 4369 03:33:35.440 --> 03:33:39.120 through the fucking every goddamn matchup. 4370 03:33:39.440 --> 03:33:41.520 Yeah, I love gears. I love gears. 4371 03:33:41.639 --> 03:33:47.559 Shut up. The next matchup, Super Mario World versus Red 4372 03:33:47.639 --> 03:33:48.639 Dead Redemption two. 4373 03:33:53.959 --> 03:33:58.399 This is gonna be bad. That's an insane This is 4374 03:33:58.559 --> 03:34:01.479 gonna get the most video game. 4375 03:34:01.399 --> 03:34:04.920 To nineteen ninety one versus Yeah, we're gonna have to 4376 03:34:05.000 --> 03:34:07.000 talk in circles for an hour to get to. 4377 03:34:07.040 --> 03:34:09.559 The end of this one that's not Let's let's figure 4378 03:34:09.600 --> 03:34:09.879 this out. 4379 03:34:09.920 --> 03:34:13.799 How we do this, Mary, where just give us a 4380 03:34:13.879 --> 03:34:16.959 barometer before we make our like opening and closing arguments? 4381 03:34:17.000 --> 03:34:19.680 Where what are you leaning toward? Or are you or 4382 03:34:19.760 --> 03:34:23.040 do you? Literally have no clue because this is just stupid. 4383 03:34:23.239 --> 03:34:24.559 It's the most opposite. 4384 03:34:25.840 --> 03:34:28.479 I've played both of them, and they're both fine, and 4385 03:34:28.680 --> 03:34:30.239 I love either. 4386 03:34:30.360 --> 03:34:33.200 That's not what I expected you to say. Okay, that's fine, 4387 03:34:33.200 --> 03:34:38.120 though I can about this matchup. 4388 03:34:38.280 --> 03:34:41.360 The things I love about Mario World were it's just 4389 03:34:41.479 --> 03:34:44.000 the most dewey ass I press this button, have fun 4390 03:34:44.079 --> 03:34:47.239 game ever and instantly reacts. Everything's all the shit I 4391 03:34:47.360 --> 03:34:49.239 didn't like about Red Dead two, where it's I hit 4392 03:34:49.280 --> 03:34:51.600 the button and then I wait for it to happen. 4393 03:34:51.680 --> 03:34:54.559 It's just so polar opposite my brain. Even though I 4394 03:34:54.639 --> 03:34:56.840 have come around on Red Dead to appreciate what it 4395 03:34:56.920 --> 03:35:00.280 does very well, it is so opposite to me. And like, 4396 03:35:00.399 --> 03:35:03.360 obviously I'm going to go Mario World. Obviously, that's my 4397 03:35:03.840 --> 03:35:06.040 obviously the craziest matchup. 4398 03:35:08.799 --> 03:35:13.159 I don't even know where to begin, like to compare them. No, 4399 03:35:13.239 --> 03:35:14.760 I never had to make this decision. 4400 03:35:15.440 --> 03:35:17.280 Nobody has ever been here before. 4401 03:35:19.520 --> 03:35:23.159 Okay, this is Super Mario World. Yeah, Mario Bros. 4402 03:35:23.200 --> 03:35:25.840 Three. Okay, No, I have a hard time. This is 4403 03:35:25.879 --> 03:35:28.280 the best one. This is the second game ever. Right, 4404 03:35:28.520 --> 03:35:29.799 it's either this or Odyssey. 4405 03:35:29.840 --> 03:35:31.479 It's the second or third Mario game ever. 4406 03:35:31.840 --> 03:35:34.520 Fourth, Well, Mario, do you want to count fifth? I 4407 03:35:34.559 --> 03:35:34.799 don't know. 4408 03:35:35.239 --> 03:35:38.399 I do struggle though, because we just had Super Mario Odyssey. 4409 03:35:38.719 --> 03:35:42.760 I mean that there's a reason he's fucking Mario. 4410 03:35:42.879 --> 03:35:49.280 It's the early Yeah, yeah, there's the early Mario Mario bros. 4411 03:35:49.360 --> 03:35:51.840 Is Well, there was Mario Bros. Well, we're not gonna 4412 03:35:51.879 --> 03:35:55.520 dunk Super Mario Brothers. Super Mario Brothers two in Japan, 4413 03:35:55.600 --> 03:35:57.639 which was the Lost Levels here, So that's two different 4414 03:35:57.639 --> 03:35:59.559 games there. There's Super Mario Brothers three and then World 4415 03:35:59.680 --> 03:36:02.239 was the day debut for the Superintendo. 4416 03:36:02.440 --> 03:36:04.520 Yes, and World is where it really came into its own. 4417 03:36:04.920 --> 03:36:08.360 She's debut looks fuck awes on the Yellow Cape. Yeah. 4418 03:36:10.399 --> 03:36:11.639 Oh yeah, this is a good one. 4419 03:36:12.440 --> 03:36:15.639 Yeah. I don't know, I can, I can like, what 4420 03:36:15.799 --> 03:36:19.559 do I do? What do you do? What do we? 4421 03:36:19.920 --> 03:36:20.760 What are we talking about? 4422 03:36:20.959 --> 03:36:21.000 You? 4423 03:36:21.280 --> 03:36:24.280 How do we? What do we? It's definitely Mario World. 4424 03:36:24.319 --> 03:36:26.840 To me, I'm not gonna be anti red Dead guy. 4425 03:36:26.959 --> 03:36:29.760 I'm not gonna be anti Mario, but it's definitely Red 4426 03:36:29.799 --> 03:36:30.239 Dead for me. 4427 03:36:30.399 --> 03:36:35.440 I just I don't know. Red Dead two is one 4428 03:36:35.479 --> 03:36:35.680 of the. 4429 03:36:37.440 --> 03:36:39.600 I think it's my favorite Western. 4430 03:36:41.520 --> 03:36:45.600 In anything. Mine's the Mario party to Western Land? Yeah? 4431 03:36:47.760 --> 03:36:53.719 Stick fuck? What's your favorite sci fi? Why it's Mario's. 4432 03:36:58.040 --> 03:36:58.680 Yeah, I don't know. 4433 03:36:59.280 --> 03:37:03.239 Everything I'm saying is not a distraction from whatever Mario 4434 03:37:03.360 --> 03:37:08.239 game we're talking about, but Super Mario World I'm joking, okay, 4435 03:37:08.280 --> 03:37:12.799 But at the same time, I totally understand that, in 4436 03:37:13.559 --> 03:37:16.159 its moment to moment gameplay read that Redemption two can 4437 03:37:16.239 --> 03:37:20.440 get frustrating. Of course, it absolutely can. But also, I 4438 03:37:21.879 --> 03:37:25.639 just don't think we talk often enough about how many 4439 03:37:25.760 --> 03:37:28.520 different systems in that game need to coalesce in order 4440 03:37:28.639 --> 03:37:30.280 for you just to get back to camp. And then 4441 03:37:30.360 --> 03:37:32.520 Charles be like, oh, there you are, I need let's go. 4442 03:37:32.680 --> 03:37:34.799 Let's go, like we got to go defend these buffalo 4443 03:37:34.840 --> 03:37:38.200 The people are hunting. If you stay out away from 4444 03:37:38.280 --> 03:37:41.000 Camp too long, the AI. The game is like good 4445 03:37:41.079 --> 03:37:43.280 enough for the AI to come find you, and Bill 4446 03:37:43.479 --> 03:37:45.239 be like, hey, Dutch is. 4447 03:37:45.280 --> 03:37:46.120 Wondering where you are? 4448 03:37:46.280 --> 03:37:48.879 Like Dutch is already the character is worried about Arthur's 4449 03:37:48.959 --> 03:37:52.639 loyalty that is expressed in these systems that work across 4450 03:37:53.239 --> 03:37:56.159 this massive open world wilderness. You could be camped out 4451 03:37:56.239 --> 03:37:58.879 in the fucking snowy mountains and then Bill sees you 4452 03:37:58.959 --> 03:37:59.920 when you come down out. 4453 03:37:59.840 --> 03:38:00.600 Of the slopes. 4454 03:38:01.000 --> 03:38:02.520 He's like, dude, we've been looking for you. Why the 4455 03:38:02.559 --> 03:38:04.639 fuck have you not been back in a while. When 4456 03:38:04.680 --> 03:38:08.079 that happened, that was like, oh my god. The game 4457 03:38:08.159 --> 03:38:10.399 is actually like I was away in the wilderness. I 4458 03:38:10.479 --> 03:38:13.399 thought I thought I was alone and I was from 4459 03:38:13.440 --> 03:38:16.360 all the other characters, but the game is like, Okay, 4460 03:38:16.879 --> 03:38:19.399 he's off doing his own thing, camping and he can't. 4461 03:38:19.639 --> 03:38:21.799 I went up there because I was doing that gunslinger 4462 03:38:21.879 --> 03:38:23.840 quest with the journalist and I was doing the shootout 4463 03:38:23.879 --> 03:38:26.639 to prove I was the faster gun I came back out, 4464 03:38:26.719 --> 03:38:29.559 and the game like new we're talking about Lefferded two's 4465 03:38:29.639 --> 03:38:34.520 director whatever the fuck Magic Rockstar employed there knew that 4466 03:38:34.600 --> 03:38:38.200 I came out after in game week away or whatever 4467 03:38:38.239 --> 03:38:41.440 it was. And then there's someone like chastising me being 4468 03:38:41.520 --> 03:38:45.799 like that also told me talk about show don't tell. 4469 03:38:45.959 --> 03:38:49.399 It's like that showed me that Dutch was already worried 4470 03:38:49.440 --> 03:38:52.040 about Arthur's loyalty and. 4471 03:38:52.120 --> 03:38:54.559 Then for you to go back to the camp. The 4472 03:38:54.760 --> 03:38:59.319 number of quests that can also trigger is just astounding, 4473 03:38:59.360 --> 03:39:01.559 because Charles could come up, and then Bill could come up, 4474 03:39:01.639 --> 03:39:04.399 and then Josiah could come up and say, Hey, I 4475 03:39:04.440 --> 03:39:05.840 want to go talk to you about this. And it's 4476 03:39:05.879 --> 03:39:08.559 not like you have every single option of valuable available 4477 03:39:08.600 --> 03:39:11.479 to you at any given moment. It's there are just 4478 03:39:12.479 --> 03:39:15.280 numerous factors of what you just did in Valentine in town, 4479 03:39:15.520 --> 03:39:18.079 or what you just what your morality check out was 4480 03:39:18.159 --> 03:39:21.360 on that past decision, or maybe you just want to 4481 03:39:21.360 --> 03:39:24.159 fuck off and watch how you can shoot a barrel 4482 03:39:24.200 --> 03:39:25.879 in the back of your wagon and then light the 4483 03:39:25.920 --> 03:39:28.399 trail on fire and drive the barrel into an enemy 4484 03:39:28.680 --> 03:39:32.040 or into a like a cowboy ambush like you can 4485 03:39:32.120 --> 03:39:35.920 in like Far Cry. There's so many things to talk 4486 03:39:35.920 --> 03:39:39.440 about with Red devordemp Shi too, but I think for 4487 03:39:39.680 --> 03:39:42.799 now it's just it's I think the best way I 4488 03:39:42.840 --> 03:39:44.719 can start is just like I don't know any other 4489 03:39:44.840 --> 03:39:49.120 game that can combine that many systems into this like 4490 03:39:49.239 --> 03:39:54.440 believable simulation that just continuously can like I can feel like, 4491 03:39:55.440 --> 03:39:57.239 I don't know, it's just invelable. 4492 03:39:57.799 --> 03:40:00.319 But it's an impossible argument to have that everything you 4493 03:40:00.399 --> 03:40:02.760 just said is one hundred percent accurate, Like that is 4494 03:40:02.840 --> 03:40:05.159 all the stuff that makes Red Dead Redemption too beautiful 4495 03:40:05.159 --> 03:40:07.639 and impressive and everything, And with Mario World, it's like, 4496 03:40:07.680 --> 03:40:09.719 what am I gonna to counter that with? Like, oh man, 4497 03:40:09.760 --> 03:40:12.959 the secret exit and Donut Planes is pretty cool. Yeah, 4498 03:40:13.399 --> 03:40:17.040 it's a much simpler but also super elegant in an 4499 03:40:17.040 --> 03:40:19.200 awesome game in ways. 4500 03:40:18.840 --> 03:40:21.879 That are so fucking different. Yeah, but it's just it's 4501 03:40:21.920 --> 03:40:23.200 such a different like it could be. 4502 03:40:23.239 --> 03:40:25.399 It could have come out this year and it would 4503 03:40:25.399 --> 03:40:28.680 still kick ass, but it's in such different ways than 4504 03:40:28.719 --> 03:40:30.280 Red Dead Redemption two is impressive. 4505 03:40:30.360 --> 03:40:33.600 So it's just this is a matter of Mario's minutia 4506 03:40:33.799 --> 03:40:39.399 and like moment to moment just absolute like chemical cause 4507 03:40:39.440 --> 03:40:44.440 and effect in your brain, Red Dad's Big Picture an 4508 03:40:44.559 --> 03:40:47.200 orchestra as opposed to that single really good violinist. 4509 03:40:47.719 --> 03:40:50.399 I will not play Red Dead Redemption two unless I 4510 03:40:50.440 --> 03:40:52.159 have a few hours that are open and it's like 4511 03:40:52.159 --> 03:40:52.879 I want to sit down. 4512 03:40:53.000 --> 03:40:55.120 I want to so I want to like get lost 4513 03:40:55.200 --> 03:40:55.760 in this world. 4514 03:40:56.440 --> 03:40:58.440 I cannot tell you how many hundreds of times in 4515 03:40:58.479 --> 03:40:59.840 my life I've just been like, I'm going to load 4516 03:40:59.920 --> 03:41:02.479 up Mario World and play a level for four minutes 4517 03:41:02.559 --> 03:41:04.280 and I'm going to have a great time, you know 4518 03:41:04.360 --> 03:41:07.440 where It's like, it's just such a polar opposite gaming experience, 4519 03:41:07.639 --> 03:41:09.520 Like where do we even be get? Like obviously I'm 4520 03:41:09.559 --> 03:41:11.920 going Mario World, but yeah, I. 4521 03:41:12.319 --> 03:41:15.760 Feel like playing Red Dead Redemption two, like that is 4522 03:41:15.840 --> 03:41:18.120 a gutting space to be in. But I will say 4523 03:41:18.200 --> 03:41:21.280 when it, when it hits, I think the highs a higher. 4524 03:41:21.879 --> 03:41:24.559 Yeah, I I I. 4525 03:41:24.840 --> 03:41:28.200 I guess I could say this about many games, not 4526 03:41:28.360 --> 03:41:32.000 just Super Mario World, but like it's it's fucking awesome 4527 03:41:32.040 --> 03:41:34.200 when a game just feels incredible to play and it 4528 03:41:34.239 --> 03:41:37.120 triggers that joyful response and that fun thing and that 4529 03:41:37.360 --> 03:41:39.520 like that thing you can go back to. But like 4530 03:41:40.600 --> 03:41:43.239 up there with things like The Last of Us or 4531 03:41:43.559 --> 03:41:46.000 even Shadow of the Colossus, Red Deredempty two is up 4532 03:41:46.000 --> 03:41:48.680 there with like the range of emotions that game can 4533 03:41:48.760 --> 03:41:55.639 evoke is yeah, fucking vast uh, which again it doesn't 4534 03:41:55.680 --> 03:41:58.799 really help compare it to Super Mario World, but well 4535 03:41:58.840 --> 03:41:59.360 one of them. 4536 03:41:59.280 --> 03:41:59.879 Has to be best. 4537 03:42:00.760 --> 03:42:02.920 I mean, you know, my vote, my vote. 4538 03:42:05.559 --> 03:42:10.879 I really I feel this deeply. And it's obviously you're 4539 03:42:10.920 --> 03:42:15.000 both extremely passionate about each other's games, uh, for your 4540 03:42:15.040 --> 03:42:18.280 own reasons as well, but something has to be the 4541 03:42:18.360 --> 03:42:24.840 victor here. I just think that there is something untouchable 4542 03:42:24.879 --> 03:42:28.799 about the mechanisms that Red Dead is put into place 4543 03:42:29.120 --> 03:42:33.159 that make everything so distinct, and the fact that you 4544 03:42:33.200 --> 03:42:34.920 can play it in so many different ways, and how 4545 03:42:35.000 --> 03:42:37.479 intricate what they made was. I do think it's a 4546 03:42:37.559 --> 03:42:41.879 modern marvel. I will agree that Mario is probably the 4547 03:42:41.879 --> 03:42:43.760 funner one to play, right like, that's the one I 4548 03:42:43.840 --> 03:42:47.920 grew up playing. But I think we're here to kind 4549 03:42:47.959 --> 03:42:50.479 of just determine which one we think is like in 4550 03:42:50.600 --> 03:42:53.760 this matchup. I think Red Dead is, like it's a 4551 03:42:53.840 --> 03:42:55.920 modern marvel. It's just incredible what they were able to 4552 03:42:55.959 --> 03:42:56.680 accomplish with it. 4553 03:42:57.920 --> 03:43:00.639 Sorry, well, no, no, I get it. It's like Mario 4554 03:43:00.719 --> 03:43:03.479 World Courses through my veins. It feels like it's part 4555 03:43:03.520 --> 03:43:05.840 of my DNA, Whereas like Red Dead Redemption two is 4556 03:43:05.879 --> 03:43:09.239 something that I had to kind of like really sit 4557 03:43:09.319 --> 03:43:13.520 down and intentionally force myself to appreciate. 4558 03:43:13.600 --> 03:43:14.760 And I do, and I really do. 4559 03:43:15.319 --> 03:43:17.799 I I'm not suddenly like, oh, it's my favorite game 4560 03:43:17.799 --> 03:43:20.079 of all time, but I'm really enjoying playing through it 4561 03:43:20.120 --> 03:43:21.879 again right now again. I was doing it right before 4562 03:43:21.920 --> 03:43:25.840 this podcast and it's like, man, this game. Yeah, it's 4563 03:43:25.879 --> 03:43:28.760 an unbelievably impressive game. And so I'm not gonna like 4564 03:43:29.440 --> 03:43:31.760 again not a Metal Gear Solid versus the Witcher three situation, 4565 03:43:32.479 --> 03:43:33.879 which is the worst thing that's ever happened. 4566 03:43:38.040 --> 03:43:40.319 I really think he's. 4567 03:43:44.680 --> 03:43:46.879 There's I've done so many Games of the Year arguments 4568 03:43:46.920 --> 03:43:48.840 and ship like that where my babies don't win and 4569 03:43:48.920 --> 03:43:49.920 stuff like that, and it's like. 4570 03:43:50.000 --> 03:43:52.000 They don't matter. 4571 03:43:52.079 --> 03:43:53.479 I don't get mad about it and I don't really 4572 03:43:53.840 --> 03:44:01.639 nothing matters, and this what Yeah, it's really it's all cool. 4573 03:44:02.399 --> 03:44:06.120 It's all coolie. Yeah, that's cool. 4574 03:44:08.040 --> 03:44:11.120 Well, save your energy for this next one. Our next 4575 03:44:11.200 --> 03:44:16.920 matchup is the Legend of Zelda, Majora's Mask versus Elden Ring. 4576 03:44:20.120 --> 03:44:22.479 Wow, that's crazy. 4577 03:44:25.840 --> 03:44:32.319 Really, are you sure it's my favorite game of all time? 4578 03:44:32.760 --> 03:44:33.040 Okay? 4579 03:44:33.520 --> 03:44:37.079 Yeah, there's certain ones here, like Majora's Mask and Riddler 4580 03:44:37.159 --> 03:44:39.600 two where it's like, you know, there's the the like 4581 03:44:39.680 --> 03:44:42.159 the Blue Wall they talk about and like the it's 4582 03:44:42.239 --> 03:44:45.559 just like and Dan's like Michigan. 4583 03:44:45.840 --> 03:44:50.360 But and I have our Arizonas and whatnot. 4584 03:44:50.399 --> 03:44:56.239 But yeah, but those those proved shakable Uh god, these tariffs. 4585 03:44:56.440 --> 03:44:57.239 What do you guys think. 4586 03:45:00.120 --> 03:45:03.840 Tarriffs? I just say that. I just don't like the tariffs, 4587 03:45:03.920 --> 03:45:06.360 is my thought. What about the chips They're going to 4588 03:45:06.399 --> 03:45:09.920 be expensive or eggs or something. Yeah, I'm worried about you, guys. 4589 03:45:09.920 --> 03:45:14.520 I'm worried about the world stage. Shut up. 4590 03:45:17.879 --> 03:45:20.120 Let's put coachma on it. Let's have him figure it out. 4591 03:45:21.600 --> 03:45:27.440 President, Okay, majora. Eldon. I'm just waiting to see whether 4592 03:45:27.520 --> 03:45:29.280 I need to make an argument. That's the thing I 4593 03:45:29.360 --> 03:45:32.159 don't like. Mary. Are you firmly elden Ring? 4594 03:45:32.600 --> 03:45:37.559 I think that elden Ring is the people's choice. Yeah, 4595 03:45:37.719 --> 03:45:41.200 I think it is your. Yes, what's your I'm the people. 4596 03:45:42.840 --> 03:45:45.559 You're a tiebreaker? Wow, Okay, this is the first I've 4597 03:45:45.600 --> 03:45:48.000 done that. It is the first you've done that. Mary 4598 03:45:48.040 --> 03:45:50.000 and I are usually I feel like I'm usually. 4599 03:45:50.319 --> 03:45:52.680 You're usually the one that we're trying to sway. 4600 03:45:53.159 --> 03:45:55.600 Yeah, yeah, I'm a peacekeeper usually. 4601 03:45:56.040 --> 03:45:57.479 Anyway, go ahead, Dan, where are you at? 4602 03:45:58.079 --> 03:46:01.360 Elden Ring is one of the absolute best game And 4603 03:46:01.479 --> 03:46:03.159 it is like, you know, when I thought Breath of 4604 03:46:03.200 --> 03:46:04.760 the Wiles, like, I didn't think I could feel like 4605 03:46:04.799 --> 03:46:07.120 this again with games as a you know, forty year 4606 03:46:07.120 --> 03:46:09.680 old man. Eldon made me feel it again and it's like, 4607 03:46:09.680 --> 03:46:15.440 holy shit, we're a great time for video games. That said, uh, 4608 03:46:16.319 --> 03:46:23.319 that moon looked really crazy when he looked up. That 4609 03:46:23.479 --> 03:46:25.239 was real fucked up when he looked up. And there's 4610 03:46:25.280 --> 03:46:26.399 nothing fucked up in Elden Ring. 4611 03:46:29.639 --> 03:46:33.920 There's a giant it's all cute. Yeah, it's real fucked up. 4612 03:46:33.959 --> 03:46:35.120 Oh god, that's tough. 4613 03:46:36.760 --> 03:46:39.159 Should should I look back at my top hundred for reference? 4614 03:46:39.239 --> 03:46:41.639 Or is it better if I don't know to make it? 4615 03:46:42.000 --> 03:46:42.959 You have to make it with your. 4616 03:46:43.280 --> 03:46:45.600 Make an argument, or I could like talk about MAJORA. 4617 03:46:46.680 --> 03:46:50.319 I think ultimately Dan knows all those arguments, though, I 4618 03:46:52.319 --> 03:46:54.799 think I think to me, it's just like which one's bester. 4619 03:46:55.799 --> 03:46:59.239 I mean, look, I this is Sophie's choice. Make the call. 4620 03:46:59.719 --> 03:47:00.639 Yeah, drowned the kid. 4621 03:47:01.719 --> 03:47:05.079 It's actually worse than that, just so you know what happened. 4622 03:47:05.639 --> 03:47:07.319 It's a gas chamber of situation. 4623 03:47:08.000 --> 03:47:09.079 What is Christ? 4624 03:47:09.559 --> 03:47:11.520 What do you mean like you had to choose a 4625 03:47:11.639 --> 03:47:14.319 kid to not go to the Jesus Christ. 4626 03:47:14.360 --> 03:47:15.360 I should stop saying that. 4627 03:47:15.520 --> 03:47:20.639 Then we comedically it's kind of it's kind of evolved 4628 03:47:20.760 --> 03:47:24.200 past that as like Sophie's choice here, but yes it is. 4629 03:47:24.520 --> 03:47:27.879 That's the origin. Yeah, oh my god, we should stop 4630 03:47:28.040 --> 03:47:28.959 using that collectively. 4631 03:47:30.479 --> 03:47:33.040 Man I okay, So I was just trying to form 4632 03:47:33.079 --> 03:47:35.319 an argument in my head about like, oh, Major's Mask 4633 03:47:35.360 --> 03:47:38.440 being so weird and surreal and just the playing with 4634 03:47:38.520 --> 03:47:40.200 the format of like you know, the time and all that. 4635 03:47:40.280 --> 03:47:42.159 But then I think about like Eldon Ring, Like Elton 4636 03:47:42.239 --> 03:47:43.920 Ring wasn't a game that like played it safe. 4637 03:47:44.079 --> 03:47:48.399 Elton Rings crazy and weird, nychotic. Yeah, like the ship 4638 03:47:48.440 --> 03:47:50.120 where it's like the map's that big. 4639 03:47:50.440 --> 03:47:52.799 Structurally, I would say Majors Mask. 4640 03:47:52.719 --> 03:47:58.399 Is bolder, but that the time stuff yeah times yeah, 4641 03:47:58.440 --> 03:48:04.920 but no, the scale. I like the mask stuff a ton. 4642 03:48:05.440 --> 03:48:07.079 That's a fun thing. The Bomber's note. 4643 03:48:07.399 --> 03:48:08.000 What about the ring? 4644 03:48:08.959 --> 03:48:10.600 What about the Eldon I don't even know what the 4645 03:48:11.200 --> 03:48:11.559 ring is? 4646 03:48:15.319 --> 03:48:18.559 The ring and Elden Ring a ring ring the shattered 4647 03:48:18.600 --> 03:48:22.360 in the past and it represented the family and they 4648 03:48:22.360 --> 03:48:25.040 were trying to Marget had one of the pieces. 4649 03:48:24.719 --> 03:48:26.319 And like they I don't know a single character in 4650 03:48:26.360 --> 03:48:35.399 Eldon Ring. Uh fuck, I'm gonna say Elden Ring, I'm fine. 4651 03:48:35.639 --> 03:48:37.159 If I had to lose, I'm fine. 4652 03:48:38.319 --> 03:48:40.600 So that was tough because like I'm such a Zelda 4653 03:48:40.719 --> 03:48:44.559 Nintendo mark, but like, yeah, finds pretty undeniable. 4654 03:48:44.719 --> 03:48:47.360 I don't even think Majora's Mask is the best Zelda game. 4655 03:48:47.479 --> 03:48:49.040 It's just my favorite game of all time. 4656 03:48:49.479 --> 03:48:51.719 It's just so fucking interesting, and that's why it sucks 4657 03:48:51.760 --> 03:48:53.319 that it went up against the game that was also 4658 03:48:53.559 --> 03:48:54.639 incredibly interesting. 4659 03:48:54.680 --> 03:48:56.120 And that's where we're at right now. 4660 03:48:56.200 --> 03:48:59.200 That was like a kryptonite for Majora. It's like, well, 4661 03:49:00.360 --> 03:49:00.840 I've got some. 4662 03:49:00.840 --> 03:49:03.120 Stuff to say about elden Ring, but I think I'll 4663 03:49:03.159 --> 03:49:05.280 save it for the next whatever the next matchup is, 4664 03:49:05.319 --> 03:49:06.799 because I don't I agree. 4665 03:49:06.879 --> 03:49:09.319 I think it's a I'm fine with that beating. 4666 03:49:09.760 --> 03:49:16.159 Yeah, I can't believe elden Ring Legend of Zelda, Majora's Mask. 4667 03:49:16.319 --> 03:49:20.959 Our next matchup, Rocket League versus Team Fortress too. 4668 03:49:21.840 --> 03:49:22.520 That's a weird one. 4669 03:49:22.959 --> 03:49:27.280 It is a weird one. I'm gonna I'm just gonna 4670 03:49:27.280 --> 03:49:29.879 say Rocket League. I think it is like the game 4671 03:49:29.920 --> 03:49:33.239 I would rather play, No easy. 4672 03:49:34.559 --> 03:49:34.879 Market. 4673 03:49:35.559 --> 03:49:36.799 Okay, Rocket League wins? 4674 03:49:37.079 --> 03:49:38.239 Uh next market. 4675 03:49:39.799 --> 03:49:46.639 Hit Man World Assassination versus Witch Your Three Wild Hunts. 4676 03:49:46.920 --> 03:49:49.440 People are laughing. Damn sorry, Mary start Over. I told 4677 03:49:49.479 --> 03:49:52.239 a really funny joke. I guarantee there's some. 4678 03:49:52.239 --> 03:49:52.440 Of the. 4679 03:49:54.360 --> 03:49:55.079 There's people in there. 4680 03:49:56.159 --> 03:50:03.319 Let it die down. Hit Man World of Assassination versus 4681 03:50:03.440 --> 03:50:04.840 Witcher three, Wild Hunt. 4682 03:50:05.239 --> 03:50:14.079 Oh hit Man, the Wincher three did its job, killed job, 4683 03:50:14.159 --> 03:50:15.040 it got rid of medal. 4684 03:50:15.079 --> 03:50:22.159 Here put that dog out of it. Ad Yeah, oh god, 4685 03:50:22.200 --> 03:50:23.040 I love the Witcher three. 4686 03:50:23.440 --> 03:50:26.399 I love what would you have picked over hit Man? 4687 03:50:26.479 --> 03:50:29.319 World of Assassination h and Metal Gear Solid. 4688 03:50:30.719 --> 03:50:35.440 Across the whole tournament of those two? Oh if it 4689 03:50:35.600 --> 03:50:37.319 was Oh you're saying, if it was hit Man versus 4690 03:50:37.319 --> 03:50:42.559 Middle Year. Yeah, Oh, okay, not I'm close. Yeah, well 4691 03:50:42.639 --> 03:50:43.559 I just never got. 4692 03:50:43.440 --> 03:50:48.680 There, all right. Our next matchup is the Legend of 4693 03:50:48.799 --> 03:50:53.440 Zelda A Link to the Past against Half Life two. 4694 03:50:55.079 --> 03:50:57.239 Oh, this is gonna be rough. 4695 03:50:57.399 --> 03:50:59.479 I'm gonna ruffle some feathers. 4696 03:50:59.559 --> 03:51:02.239 I'm gonna I'll say. Let me start by saying I 4697 03:51:02.440 --> 03:51:04.239 probably beat Linked in the Past one. 4698 03:51:05.120 --> 03:51:07.600 It's about your personal experience with the game. That's what 4699 03:51:07.760 --> 03:51:08.239 we're doing. 4700 03:51:08.520 --> 03:51:11.200 No, it doesn't sway us though, when you just talk 4701 03:51:11.239 --> 03:51:13.440 about how deep your connection is to a game, like 4702 03:51:14.120 --> 03:51:16.600 why is the game better? I'm telling you this because 4703 03:51:16.639 --> 03:51:18.559 I want it to win. But Half Life two is 4704 03:51:18.639 --> 03:51:19.719 really really fucking good. 4705 03:51:20.639 --> 03:51:21.000 I'm sorry. 4706 03:51:21.040 --> 03:51:22.440 I didn't mean a shit on it. I shouldn't have 4707 03:51:22.479 --> 03:51:24.879 done that. That was me, Dan, You beat it fifty 4708 03:51:24.920 --> 03:51:26.159 times continue and. 4709 03:51:26.200 --> 03:51:27.959 I've never beat Half Life two because near the end 4710 03:51:27.959 --> 03:51:29.479 they've just kind of got tired of it. That's why 4711 03:51:29.559 --> 03:51:34.479 you said that, to be apologize for that. To be fair, I. 4712 03:51:34.559 --> 03:51:37.399 Didn't play Half Life two until the Orange Box, which 4713 03:51:37.559 --> 03:51:42.360 was like what five six years November three years, three 4714 03:51:42.399 --> 03:51:45.000 years was already news. 4715 03:51:45.799 --> 03:51:48.600 Like afford to play the best game of its time. 4716 03:51:48.719 --> 03:51:50.760 That is also yes, because my computer couldn't run it. 4717 03:51:50.959 --> 03:51:52.719 So that's why linked the past is better. 4718 03:51:53.040 --> 03:51:56.280 You shouldn't. That's a bad argument. I mean, I would 4719 03:51:56.280 --> 03:51:59.399 say Half Life is uh a good one too, one 4720 03:51:59.440 --> 03:52:03.079 of the what like the best first person shooter of 4721 03:52:03.159 --> 03:52:07.319 its time that like completely gets you to scale in 4722 03:52:07.479 --> 03:52:10.200 insane way. What you're able to accomplish towards the end 4723 03:52:10.239 --> 03:52:12.920 of it with the gravity gun fucking nuts. I also 4724 03:52:13.000 --> 03:52:15.719 just want to express, when it comes to like enemy 4725 03:52:15.799 --> 03:52:17.680 to friend design, which I had never seen in a 4726 03:52:17.719 --> 03:52:19.719 game before Half Life, the idea that you would like 4727 03:52:19.760 --> 03:52:22.680 be so afraid of these I call them sand spiders. 4728 03:52:22.840 --> 03:52:24.799 Somebody else might call them something else, but they're like 4729 03:52:24.879 --> 03:52:27.719 these like scary little guys that like kill you, but 4730 03:52:27.879 --> 03:52:30.280 then you get an item and they become your friends, 4731 03:52:30.360 --> 03:52:34.000 and you could utilize them to your advantage. So fucking sick, 4732 03:52:34.520 --> 03:52:39.920 like really satisfying storytelling through game design. And this is 4733 03:52:40.000 --> 03:52:43.360 important because it might come up later. It's not just 4734 03:52:43.399 --> 03:52:45.200 about whether or not it tells a good story. It's 4735 03:52:45.239 --> 03:52:48.959 the fact that it's telling a good story through our medium. Well, 4736 03:52:49.200 --> 03:52:53.360 it's game design story mechanics that is so brilliant about 4737 03:52:53.399 --> 03:52:59.120 Half Life two. It is a stunning achievement for video games. 4738 03:52:59.479 --> 03:53:01.799 And yeah, it is better than a Link. 4739 03:53:01.680 --> 03:53:04.479 To the past. Have you played through Link to the Past? 4740 03:53:04.760 --> 03:53:08.000 Yes, I played it on a CRT, so I played 4741 03:53:08.000 --> 03:53:11.120 it in its authentic vibe as well, and it is 4742 03:53:11.280 --> 03:53:13.559 very fucking good. And I won't be mad about this, 4743 03:53:13.879 --> 03:53:15.799 Like I won't cry about this one because a link 4744 03:53:15.840 --> 03:53:18.239 to the past is phenomenal. I just think Half Life is, 4745 03:53:18.360 --> 03:53:22.280 like it deserves its fucking due. That's what I think. 4746 03:53:22.680 --> 03:53:27.719 God it's tough, Like, well it's not tough for me, 4747 03:53:27.879 --> 03:53:29.719 I know what mine is. But like this is like 4748 03:53:29.760 --> 03:53:31.600 we're at the point where, like all the competitions, these 4749 03:53:31.600 --> 03:53:32.000 are all. 4750 03:53:31.920 --> 03:53:35.440 Good, they're all winners. And I will not be sad. 4751 03:53:35.840 --> 03:53:38.319 Link to the past is phenomenal. I can't I can't 4752 03:53:38.399 --> 03:53:40.399 argue that it's not phenomenal. What I'm saying is that 4753 03:53:40.520 --> 03:53:44.840 Half Life two is extraordinary and there's just not too 4754 03:53:44.920 --> 03:53:47.239 many for like first person shooters that did what this 4755 03:53:47.440 --> 03:53:50.600 game fucking did also in its time, and it has 4756 03:53:50.639 --> 03:53:52.040 a fucking killer ass story. 4757 03:53:52.280 --> 03:53:54.959 I mean even today, there's still shooters that don't understand 4758 03:53:55.040 --> 03:53:57.639 how how they it just misses the mark. 4759 03:53:57.680 --> 03:53:59.200 They miss the mark when it comes to like how 4760 03:54:01.360 --> 03:54:03.879 oh god, the mission pacing the fucking Every time I 4761 03:54:03.879 --> 03:54:05.239 think about that game, it's one of those things where 4762 03:54:05.239 --> 03:54:07.760 I think about a new section or a new mission, 4763 03:54:07.799 --> 03:54:09.000 or I'm like, no, that was the best mission. 4764 03:54:09.000 --> 03:54:10.840 It's like, okay, well Raven Home. Oh no, there's the 4765 03:54:10.879 --> 03:54:15.200 whole underbridge section. Oh no, there's the whole Uh there's 4766 03:54:15.239 --> 03:54:18.760 the whole sequence with the the caves and the actual 4767 03:54:18.879 --> 03:54:20.680 like go kart hovercraft. 4768 03:54:21.760 --> 03:54:22.000 That far. 4769 03:54:22.079 --> 03:54:25.159 I was so sick. You can break it too, Like 4770 03:54:25.280 --> 03:54:25.799 I think, am. 4771 03:54:25.680 --> 03:54:27.040 I reading this correctly? It's down to me. 4772 03:54:27.639 --> 03:54:31.200 Yeah, Dan will never budge God. 4773 03:54:31.360 --> 03:54:34.000 I want to say one of them is my favorite 4774 03:54:34.000 --> 03:54:36.360 game ever at the other is I think, fine, I'm 4775 03:54:36.399 --> 03:54:36.920 not gonna. 4776 03:54:36.680 --> 03:54:38.639 Budge Two's not fine, let me say that, but. 4777 03:54:38.719 --> 03:54:40.360 Like, no, it is one of the great cities. One 4778 03:54:42.200 --> 03:54:43.440 it hurts, I do have to. 4779 03:54:43.479 --> 03:54:45.399 Go Link to the past. Though Link the Pass is 4780 03:54:45.440 --> 03:54:47.920 linked to the past. This Link of the Past is 4781 03:54:47.959 --> 03:54:49.479 still like a perfect video game. 4782 03:54:49.600 --> 03:54:51.200 I'm not mad about it. I think a Link to 4783 03:54:51.239 --> 03:54:54.840 the Past is iconic and I absolutely loved playing. I 4784 03:54:54.879 --> 03:54:57.239 played it through on a Christmas break and god, that 4785 03:54:57.440 --> 03:54:59.959 was really cool playing it on like waking up Christmas 4786 03:55:00.040 --> 03:55:02.760 morning and Link the Past really really really fun. 4787 03:55:02.879 --> 03:55:05.639 Yeah at game was that ninety one? 4788 03:55:06.680 --> 03:55:10.120 Uh? That was? What what month do you remember? I 4789 03:55:10.159 --> 03:55:13.680 don't remember. I remember Japanese. I got it for Christmas. 4790 03:55:14.399 --> 03:55:15.159 I was born. 4791 03:55:15.239 --> 03:55:17.559 See, so I'm as old as that game. 4792 03:55:18.079 --> 03:55:18.319 Wow. 4793 03:55:20.680 --> 03:55:23.799 All right, Legend of Zelda Link to the Past wins 4794 03:55:23.840 --> 03:55:28.040 against Half Life two. Our next matchup is Divinity Original 4795 03:55:28.239 --> 03:55:32.040 Sin to against Tony Hawk pro Skater three. 4796 03:55:33.159 --> 03:55:34.040 You motherfuckers. 4797 03:55:37.000 --> 03:55:40.920 I mean, come on, like the storytelling and Divinity Original 4798 03:55:41.040 --> 03:55:44.639 Sin is like it's breathtaking and like in Tony Hawk, 4799 03:55:44.799 --> 03:55:47.120 Dan was like, you can like add another way to 4800 03:55:47.440 --> 03:55:48.479 add to your combo. 4801 03:55:49.479 --> 03:55:52.760 He did say that that's a quote, But Dad, what 4802 03:55:52.840 --> 03:55:55.440 that game? God, that's it's so important for what that was? 4803 03:55:55.639 --> 03:55:56.799 My combo. 4804 03:55:58.559 --> 03:56:05.319 Combos are very important Tony Hawk. Yeah, Oh man, why 4805 03:56:05.399 --> 03:56:10.200 the fuck do I have to keep doing this. Uh ship. 4806 03:56:12.440 --> 03:56:13.479 Do the thing, Mike? 4807 03:56:17.760 --> 03:56:20.120 Does it sway you that no one has heard of Divinity? 4808 03:56:21.159 --> 03:56:24.799 That's that's demonstrably false. Just because you said that, I'm 4809 03:56:24.799 --> 03:56:29.920 gonna walk around to Okay, I have to go Divinity 4810 03:56:30.079 --> 03:56:34.399 and too, Dan. I love good c RPGs so much, 4811 03:56:34.559 --> 03:56:38.559 And that is the second they are. You know, that's 4812 03:56:38.600 --> 03:56:39.760 the second best one ever made. 4813 03:56:40.120 --> 03:56:43.000 We just like, keep fucking placating this guy who cannot read. 4814 03:56:45.559 --> 03:56:49.280 You can read. The codex took too long, so I 4815 03:56:49.360 --> 03:56:52.680 hit extra. You're supporting what she just said, don't do it? 4816 03:56:52.879 --> 03:56:56.520 What was Divinity against Tony three? Oh god? 4817 03:56:57.000 --> 03:56:59.319 Did you? Did you just realize how little of the 4818 03:56:59.360 --> 03:57:00.879 flight you put up? Do you want to try to 4819 03:57:00.879 --> 03:57:01.239 sway me? 4820 03:57:01.399 --> 03:57:02.520 Noo? 4821 03:57:03.239 --> 03:57:05.840 But yeah, I think you're more of a defendity guys lost. 4822 03:57:05.920 --> 03:57:08.959 But that's just a tragedy. Yeah, you got a video 4823 03:57:09.000 --> 03:57:11.000 game ass video game versus a visual novel. 4824 03:57:11.079 --> 03:57:12.760 I like video game ass video games every once in 4825 03:57:12.799 --> 03:57:15.559 a while, But Divinity Yet, Divinity Original Sin two is 4826 03:57:15.600 --> 03:57:16.840 a video game ass video game. 4827 03:57:16.920 --> 03:57:18.040 Let's not. I don't get that wrong. 4828 03:57:18.559 --> 03:57:20.879 You can, you can, You're you're If you pick a 4829 03:57:20.959 --> 03:57:23.479 skeleton for a character, people get are afraid of you 4830 03:57:23.520 --> 03:57:25.040 and won't talk to you unless you put a bucket 4831 03:57:25.040 --> 03:57:26.879 over your head and you walk around half the game 4832 03:57:26.959 --> 03:57:29.600 with a bucket over your and they're like, alright, I 4833 03:57:29.639 --> 03:57:30.440 guess I'll talk to you. 4834 03:57:30.760 --> 03:57:32.159 Okay, it looks so dumb. 4835 03:57:32.319 --> 03:57:33.760 It's it's a very video game. 4836 03:57:33.760 --> 03:57:37.040 Ass video game. That's fine. I like that idea anyway. 4837 03:57:37.959 --> 03:57:41.680 Divinity Original Sin two wins, knocking out Tony Hawk's pro 4838 03:57:41.799 --> 03:57:43.200 Skater three just on. 4839 03:57:43.239 --> 03:57:46.319 A mission to push console games forward every round. I 4840 03:57:46.440 --> 03:57:50.440 know he's anti I'm still bitter about PC games. Yeah. 4841 03:57:50.799 --> 03:57:53.719 So the guy with a fucking bo Jangles, No, that's 4842 03:57:53.760 --> 03:57:58.600 an Xbox. You have a fucking Wendy numerous forty nineties. Here, 4843 03:57:58.639 --> 03:58:00.719 give a Burger king forty ninety. 4844 03:58:01.760 --> 03:58:04.600 I should talk to him, all right. What's the next 4845 03:58:04.639 --> 03:58:05.000 match up? 4846 03:58:06.040 --> 03:58:12.760 The Last of Us versus Resident Evil Remake? Zombies, Old Vernon, 4847 03:58:13.079 --> 03:58:13.760 Old v New. 4848 03:58:17.680 --> 03:58:19.559 I fought Harvard the Last of Us and I love 4849 03:58:19.600 --> 03:58:20.239 the Last of Us. 4850 03:58:20.639 --> 03:58:21.920 It's incredible. Yeah. 4851 03:58:21.959 --> 03:58:23.360 I like RESL remake more. 4852 03:58:24.000 --> 03:58:29.159 I think Resident Evil Remake is just more genius in 4853 03:58:29.280 --> 03:58:33.399 terms of it's like design, Okay, cool, easy. The story 4854 03:58:33.440 --> 03:58:35.959 I think of the Last of Us is very important. 4855 03:58:38.399 --> 03:58:39.559 Here's why you're in this mansion? 4856 03:58:40.200 --> 03:58:44.399 Surviveh okay, Bloodborn versus Soul Caliber? 4857 03:58:44.719 --> 03:58:47.760 Oh god, damn it, this is I gotta go to 4858 03:58:47.799 --> 03:58:50.840 the bathroom. I'll be You can keep talking because we 4859 03:58:50.920 --> 03:58:53.639 got swam marriages, so Dan, you can try. Yeah you want, 4860 03:58:53.719 --> 03:58:54.440 I'll be right back. 4861 03:58:55.399 --> 03:58:59.639 Don't I feel like you should be here. 4862 03:59:00.079 --> 03:59:03.200 I I've been drinking so much water. I can be 4863 03:59:03.280 --> 03:59:05.360 back in like thirty seconds if you guys came camp. 4864 03:59:05.280 --> 03:59:07.399 Okay, do it. Yeah, I've been drinking a lot of 4865 03:59:07.440 --> 03:59:08.040 beer and whiskey. 4866 03:59:09.559 --> 03:59:11.799 Do I like fighting games? I like tech in. 4867 03:59:13.159 --> 03:59:15.920 Okay, Okay, that's nam Okay, you know Yoshi mits you? 4868 03:59:16.280 --> 03:59:16.520 Yeah? 4869 03:59:17.440 --> 03:59:20.840 Is sol Calval? You know? Hey, Hachi? Yeahs than a 4870 03:59:20.879 --> 03:59:22.920 sol Caliber? Yeah about that? 4871 03:59:23.319 --> 03:59:24.559 How important is this to you? 4872 03:59:25.440 --> 03:59:26.000 Soul Caliber? 4873 03:59:26.280 --> 03:59:26.479 Yeah? 4874 03:59:26.600 --> 03:59:28.799 Uh? Top five game of all time? Well? 4875 03:59:29.799 --> 03:59:32.000 Did you play Bloodborne? Though you liked Bloodborn? 4876 03:59:32.680 --> 03:59:34.239 Yeah? It was the first from soft game I ever been. 4877 03:59:34.399 --> 03:59:37.920 Yeah, you just don't think it's so calib material. 4878 03:59:38.760 --> 03:59:41.639 No, Bloodborne didn't make my top hundred. I didn't even 4879 03:59:41.680 --> 03:59:44.000 consider for my top hundred. Soul Calber is like, yeah, 4880 03:59:44.079 --> 03:59:47.520 like top five probably, Yeah, Soul Colored. That was the 4881 03:59:47.559 --> 03:59:49.879 one I was telling him about how it's the most 4882 03:59:49.879 --> 03:59:51.000 I've ever played a video game. 4883 03:59:51.280 --> 03:59:54.239 Yeah, it's surprising too, because you just don't talk about 4884 03:59:54.280 --> 03:59:55.879 fighting games that much generally. 4885 03:59:56.000 --> 03:59:58.879 No, but that was it was unbelievable because, like it was, 4886 03:59:59.559 --> 04:00:01.559 I bought the Dreamcast and it was one of the 4887 04:00:01.639 --> 04:00:03.600 launch games, and I didn't know anything about There were 4888 04:00:03.639 --> 04:00:05.680 a couple, you know before Soul Caliber, and I didn't 4889 04:00:05.680 --> 04:00:07.600 care about it, but it got straight tens in EGM, 4890 04:00:07.840 --> 04:00:09.600 and when that happened, I would be like, okay, if 4891 04:00:09.600 --> 04:00:12.600 we got four tens, I got yeah, your solid. So 4892 04:00:12.680 --> 04:00:15.479 I bought soul calber fell in love with it. It 4893 04:00:15.559 --> 04:00:17.920 became a thing me and my stepdad played like every day. 4894 04:00:18.000 --> 04:00:19.719 We were obsessed with it. And then so that was 4895 04:00:19.760 --> 04:00:21.559 like ninety nine. I went to college in O two. 4896 04:00:21.760 --> 04:00:24.000 By that point, three years later, I'm still fucking playing 4897 04:00:24.079 --> 04:00:26.920 it every day. It became a nightly thing in the 4898 04:00:26.959 --> 04:00:29.399 dorms where it's like it was our like pre bar ritual, 4899 04:00:29.520 --> 04:00:31.120 it was our just every night if we weren't going 4900 04:00:31.120 --> 04:00:33.079 to the bars thing, we're just playing eight on eight 4901 04:00:33.200 --> 04:00:36.040 Soul Caliber. We had a Lizardman Shots thing where it 4902 04:00:36.079 --> 04:00:37.719 was eight on eight random team battle and if you 4903 04:00:37.760 --> 04:00:40.600 get Lizardman for every guy you kill with Lizardman, the 4904 04:00:40.639 --> 04:00:42.639 guy you beat has to take a shot. So, like 4905 04:00:42.719 --> 04:00:43.920 there were nights we couldn't even go to the bar 4906 04:00:43.959 --> 04:00:45.440 because we were just like having so much fun playing 4907 04:00:45.479 --> 04:00:48.040 Soul Caliber and like so this is we're like years 4908 04:00:48.159 --> 04:00:51.479 and years and years even past Soul Caliber two and 4909 04:00:51.639 --> 04:00:54.120 three coming out, we just kept going to one. I 4910 04:00:54.239 --> 04:00:56.319 was arranging tournaments in the dorms. 4911 04:00:56.000 --> 04:00:56.559 And stuff like that. 4912 04:00:56.680 --> 04:01:00.200 It was just like such an incredible important game in 4913 04:01:00.280 --> 04:01:03.120 my life, even though like I'm not a huge fighting 4914 04:01:03.159 --> 04:01:05.920 game guy. It was so much fun and to this 4915 04:01:06.120 --> 04:01:09.559 day is so fun that it is on the short, short, 4916 04:01:09.719 --> 04:01:12.879 short short list of my absolute favorite. 4917 04:01:12.559 --> 04:01:13.200 Games of all time. 4918 04:01:16.040 --> 04:01:17.559 Mike, have you played Soul Caliber? 4919 04:01:18.280 --> 04:01:21.520 Yeah? I like two of the most. I think is 4920 04:01:21.559 --> 04:01:24.079 that heresy to say no, A lot a lot of 4921 04:01:24.079 --> 04:01:26.959 people do, and two is very good. I just prefer one. 4922 04:01:27.120 --> 04:01:27.520 I like too. 4923 04:01:27.600 --> 04:01:29.799 I played two on every platform because I liked playing 4924 04:01:29.840 --> 04:01:31.920 the different characters. 4925 04:01:31.879 --> 04:01:34.280 Link and ha ha ha shu Spawn. 4926 04:01:34.440 --> 04:01:37.440 Yeah, that's the one that got me to buy an Xbox, 4927 04:01:37.479 --> 04:01:39.319 just because it was the closest controller to drink guest. 4928 04:01:40.399 --> 04:01:42.760 I think if I can just say this, I mean 4929 04:01:43.239 --> 04:01:46.040 I'm happy to hear more but I've heard a lot 4930 04:01:46.120 --> 04:01:50.479 about soul Caliber, and I've heard a lot about Bloodborne previously, 4931 04:01:50.760 --> 04:01:53.959 and I think that soul Caliber has come a long 4932 04:01:54.040 --> 04:01:59.520 way on this bracket, and I think soule Caliber has 4933 04:01:59.559 --> 04:02:01.959 done very good for soul Caliber. 4934 04:02:02.079 --> 04:02:02.959 I see where this is going. 4935 04:02:03.959 --> 04:02:07.799 I would argue we do have frum soft representations us 4936 04:02:07.879 --> 04:02:13.280 putting it doesn't vote the bracket. We Majora's Mask, one 4937 04:02:13.319 --> 04:02:15.920 of our absolute favorites. We have no fighting and representation. 4938 04:02:17.200 --> 04:02:18.600 I think you know we. 4939 04:02:18.600 --> 04:02:21.680 Don't have any final Fantasy representation too, and you laughed 4940 04:02:21.719 --> 04:02:22.040 about that. 4941 04:02:22.280 --> 04:02:24.159 Oh, it's the brackets. 4942 04:02:24.239 --> 04:02:27.559 Randomized representations doesn't matter when it's randomized, like we don't 4943 04:02:27.600 --> 04:02:29.959 have I think we least all of our metro veneas 4944 04:02:30.000 --> 04:02:31.440 didn't We think you should be very proud. 4945 04:02:31.600 --> 04:02:33.000 Don't even have Symphony? Yeah? 4946 04:02:33.559 --> 04:02:36.399 No, Uh do you want me to do blood Worm? 4947 04:02:36.440 --> 04:02:37.639 Marry you voting for blood Born? 4948 04:02:38.040 --> 04:02:40.440 I'm gonna vote for Bloodborn, Okay, but I do. I 4949 04:02:40.520 --> 04:02:43.719 do respect Dan's fondness and appreciation for soul Caliber, and 4950 04:02:43.760 --> 04:02:44.559 I kind of want to play it. 4951 04:02:45.319 --> 04:02:45.959 It's so fun. 4952 04:02:47.280 --> 04:02:52.200 Bloodborn wins over soul Caliber. Next matchup, the Legend of 4953 04:02:52.360 --> 04:02:58.000 Zelda Ocarina of Time versus Shadow of the colosso. 4954 04:02:57.680 --> 04:03:02.200 Oh, nocked up. I mean it's Acrena, but yeah, that's Akara. 4955 04:03:02.319 --> 04:03:05.760 But this just sucks. I don't want to kill Shadow 4956 04:03:05.799 --> 04:03:08.159 that it is, that's. 4957 04:03:08.040 --> 04:03:09.360 The seventeenth Colossus. 4958 04:03:09.520 --> 04:03:10.479 Is this argument? 4959 04:03:11.840 --> 04:03:14.840 Okay? I think I am in agreement with that as well. 4960 04:03:15.120 --> 04:03:18.159 Yeah, okay, I think we did. We did a good 4961 04:03:18.200 --> 04:03:20.520 job with the Shadow talking about it alright at the Behemoth. 4962 04:03:20.840 --> 04:03:22.079 You know what this is. That's a. 4963 04:03:23.959 --> 04:03:25.760 Hatey situation where just one game of the year, we 4964 04:03:25.840 --> 04:03:27.559 didn't have to talk about it. We have not even 4965 04:03:27.639 --> 04:03:30.639 had to argue for Yeah, because it's so good, you know. 4966 04:03:32.440 --> 04:03:36.319 Okay, next one, just to close that out, Okarina of 4967 04:03:36.399 --> 04:03:39.879 Time wins against Shadow the Colossus, knocking it out. Our 4968 04:03:39.959 --> 04:03:45.040 next one, Portal versus Haites. 4969 04:03:46.200 --> 04:03:46.879 That's interesting. 4970 04:03:48.559 --> 04:03:50.959 This one's a tough one for me personally because these 4971 04:03:51.000 --> 04:03:54.840 are both really beloved and I I deeply love both 4972 04:03:54.879 --> 04:03:58.959 of these games very much for very different reasons. So 4973 04:03:59.239 --> 04:04:02.280 I'm really curious for you guys, land on this one. 4974 04:04:03.639 --> 04:04:05.319 This is the first one where I think I'm torn. 4975 04:04:05.600 --> 04:04:08.479 I am a little torn too. I was kind of 4976 04:04:08.559 --> 04:04:10.479 wondering if someone felt strong but why. 4977 04:04:10.360 --> 04:04:13.479 Over to the other if you'd ask me an hour 4978 04:04:13.520 --> 04:04:16.159 ago before we talked about Haites more, I think I 4979 04:04:16.200 --> 04:04:18.959 would have leaned Portal. But now that we've talked about Hades, 4980 04:04:18.959 --> 04:04:22.760 the more I'm realizing, it's like God that that game 4981 04:04:22.840 --> 04:04:25.319 is barely not even five years old yet in terms 4982 04:04:25.360 --> 04:04:28.719 of not counting early access, and it's already like one 4983 04:04:28.760 --> 04:04:31.079 of the few games that was we could instantly call 4984 04:04:31.120 --> 04:04:33.159 a classic. It was game of the Year that year 4985 04:04:33.280 --> 04:04:35.639 and we were already using the or No, we didn't 4986 04:04:35.680 --> 04:04:37.159 talk about it, but then the next year it was like, 4987 04:04:38.399 --> 04:04:40.600 Haities really is just a fucking marvel. 4988 04:04:41.120 --> 04:04:43.840 I'm happy with Hades. I think Haities is a phenomenal 4989 04:04:44.360 --> 04:04:45.879 game and it's earned its spot. 4990 04:04:46.120 --> 04:04:49.239 So yes, yeah, and just to say, like I think Portal, 4991 04:04:49.719 --> 04:04:52.639 you know, a lot of it is just a fantastic game, 4992 04:04:52.719 --> 04:04:54.719 like the moment to moment, like test chambers and stuff 4993 04:04:54.719 --> 04:04:57.239 are so good and clever, and it's a good puzzle game. 4994 04:04:57.559 --> 04:04:59.319 But I do feel like a lot of the wrappings 4995 04:04:59.479 --> 04:05:02.239 of it are are kind of gimmicky in a way 4996 04:05:02.280 --> 04:05:04.360 that will feel dated, where it's like, yeah, we've heard 4997 04:05:04.360 --> 04:05:05.879 the cake is a lie thing a million times and 4998 04:05:06.559 --> 04:05:07.319 song and everything. 4999 04:05:07.719 --> 04:05:12.000 Yeah, yeah, we've evolved a little bit whereas Hades. 5000 04:05:12.159 --> 04:05:14.959 I don't think there's any real gimmicky stuff in Hades. 5001 04:05:15.000 --> 04:05:17.600 I think Hades is one of those Mario World type 5002 04:05:17.639 --> 04:05:19.840 games that you know, twenty years from now you could play, 5003 04:05:20.079 --> 04:05:22.159 and I don't think it's going to feel dated. I 5004 04:05:22.159 --> 04:05:23.479 think that art style is going to be great. I 5005 04:05:23.479 --> 04:05:26.559 think that gameplay is going to be great. Yeah, I'll 5006 04:05:26.600 --> 04:05:27.040 go Hades. 5007 04:05:27.200 --> 04:05:35.040 Okay, by unanimous decision, Haites over Portal two more for 5008 04:05:35.159 --> 04:05:41.399 this round. The next one is GoldenEye versus Super Mario 5009 04:05:41.639 --> 04:05:47.639 sixty four. What really the bracket half spoken. 5010 04:05:47.680 --> 04:05:52.440 That's the worst one yet. I think the N sixty 5011 04:05:52.559 --> 04:05:58.280 four titans are clashing. I will say my. 5012 04:06:00.440 --> 04:06:03.920 Soul really did lean very slightly toward one of them, 5013 04:06:04.319 --> 04:06:05.879 but that I'm not. 5014 04:06:06.959 --> 04:06:09.399 Okay, let me make my I think I've got a 5015 04:06:09.479 --> 04:06:10.280 coherent thing here. 5016 04:06:11.559 --> 04:06:14.239 I was talking earlier about as once as I love Mario, 5017 04:06:14.719 --> 04:06:17.399 I didn't and you know, just do everything possible to 5018 04:06:17.440 --> 04:06:19.239 get it and sixty four. When Mario sixty four came out, 5019 04:06:19.280 --> 04:06:22.799 it wasn't until GoldenEye that I determined it was needed. 5020 04:06:22.959 --> 04:06:24.879 It was I needed to get it for GoldenEye. So 5021 04:06:24.959 --> 04:06:28.440 that's in the Golden Eye bucket. But then also I've 5022 04:06:28.559 --> 04:06:30.959 gone back and I've played both these games a lot. 5023 04:06:31.079 --> 04:06:33.040 I think beating both these games a couple times a 5024 04:06:33.120 --> 04:06:38.360 year forever. And there are always those times in Mario 5025 04:06:38.479 --> 04:06:40.239 sixty four where it's like, yeah, you start off, oh 5026 04:06:40.319 --> 04:06:42.360 you have a bomb battlefield, this is great, the penguin race, 5027 04:06:42.399 --> 04:06:44.479 that's fun, and then you get the hazy maze cave 5028 04:06:44.680 --> 04:06:46.600 or some of these later levels. I don't want to 5029 04:06:46.719 --> 04:06:49.639 do this er, it's like just like more obnoxious stars 5030 04:06:49.719 --> 04:06:54.000 to get. I'm never really annoyed in GoldenEye. I feel 5031 04:06:54.079 --> 04:06:58.280 like with GoldenEye, I'm always like fuck yeah, Like every 5032 04:06:58.319 --> 04:07:00.760 part of that campaign on all that dif and difficulties 5033 04:07:01.440 --> 04:07:06.920 on a multiplayer Goldeny is like only positive. Like if 5034 04:07:06.959 --> 04:07:09.799 you're talking to impact on the industry and all that stuff, yes, 5035 04:07:09.879 --> 04:07:12.000 Golden I brought FPS to console and all that in 5036 04:07:12.079 --> 04:07:15.479 a serious way, but Mario sixty four has the bigger 5037 04:07:15.559 --> 04:07:17.239 impact from just the three D stuff. 5038 04:07:17.559 --> 04:07:19.719 Sorry, who are you voting for because you're all over 5039 04:07:19.799 --> 04:07:20.159 the place. 5040 04:07:20.280 --> 04:07:24.959 Yeah yeah, but I am leaning GoldenEye. I am leaning GoldenEye. 5041 04:07:25.000 --> 04:07:32.120 Yeah yeah. 5042 04:07:33.159 --> 04:07:38.639 Anytime I think of how good Mario sixty four was 5043 04:07:39.719 --> 04:07:42.600 still is good, that's not That's not what I'm trying 5044 04:07:42.600 --> 04:07:45.319 to say. I also think it's like, oh, the first 5045 04:07:45.440 --> 04:07:47.440 five worlds, I'm like, oh my god, I missed this, 5046 04:07:47.760 --> 04:07:49.440 and then I was like, yeah, it's hazy mased cave. 5047 04:07:49.479 --> 04:07:49.760 It's the. 5048 04:07:51.760 --> 04:07:53.559 It's the one where you have to depending on the 5049 04:07:53.879 --> 04:07:55.879 level on the level, you jump into the frame and 5050 04:07:55.879 --> 04:07:58.680 it will raise the water level. That is a cool 5051 04:07:58.760 --> 04:08:01.079 concept that quickly is like, what the fuck is this world? 5052 04:08:01.120 --> 04:08:02.920 It's like it just looks like a level editor, like 5053 04:08:02.959 --> 04:08:04.639 a Golden eight. 5054 04:08:04.719 --> 04:08:07.680 To me is also like, it's also just it's got 5055 04:08:07.719 --> 04:08:10.079 the whole package, multiplayer campaign. 5056 04:08:10.840 --> 04:08:19.040 Xenia Xenia. Imagine Xenia just strangling Peach with her I 5057 04:08:19.079 --> 04:08:20.079 gotta go Golden Nye too. 5058 04:08:22.239 --> 04:08:23.280 Okay, I won't fight this. 5059 04:08:23.559 --> 04:08:24.079 I think. 5060 04:08:27.159 --> 04:08:31.840 I think this is fine. Okay, I agree Golden Night, 5061 04:08:33.079 --> 04:08:36.719 Golden Eye wins over Super Mario sixty four and the 5062 04:08:36.799 --> 04:08:41.040 final one for this round, Resident Evil to remake versus 5063 04:08:41.719 --> 04:08:44.520 The Legend of Zelda Breath of the Wild. 5064 04:08:47.200 --> 04:08:54.120 It's got I think it's the best remake of I 5065 04:08:54.719 --> 04:08:55.799 cannot think of a better. 5066 04:08:56.159 --> 04:08:58.200 Brutal and not just as a remake, it's just one 5067 04:08:58.200 --> 04:09:00.680 of the best, amazing, it's amazing game. I'm just saying like, 5068 04:09:00.760 --> 04:09:09.840 of all the good remakers, you're up against the best game. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yep. 5069 04:09:10.639 --> 04:09:13.719 Okay, that's the end of this round. If you want, 5070 04:09:13.799 --> 04:09:15.399 I might go to the bathroom and take. 5071 04:09:15.920 --> 04:09:17.760 Yeah okay, and how many are left? 5072 04:09:18.040 --> 04:09:18.760 Sweet sixteen? 5073 04:09:18.840 --> 04:09:26.000 Now? Sixteen? Yeah? Boy? Okay? Wait what happened to Mario Ottisy? 5074 04:09:26.079 --> 04:09:27.760 Was that earlier that round? Think it's still in right? 5075 04:09:27.840 --> 04:09:28.000 Yeah? 5076 04:09:28.760 --> 04:09:30.000 Okay? 5077 04:09:30.680 --> 04:09:33.319 I would you want to marry his game against boy? 5078 04:09:33.520 --> 04:09:33.719 Yeah? 5079 04:09:35.040 --> 04:09:41.680 No, sorry, come on, yeah, okay, it'll be back. Yeah, 5080 04:09:42.520 --> 04:09:44.840 all right, and we're back. We are now officially into 5081 04:09:45.040 --> 04:09:46.639 the Sweet sixteen. Uh. 5082 04:09:47.159 --> 04:09:49.719 If you your brackets are intact at this point, I 5083 04:09:49.799 --> 04:09:53.600 commend you. I think there's been some surprises. I don't 5084 04:09:53.799 --> 04:09:55.840 I don't think we have as a group have talked 5085 04:09:55.840 --> 04:09:57.680 about the Witchard three mouch before, so that might have 5086 04:09:57.719 --> 04:09:58.600 caught people off guard. 5087 04:09:58.879 --> 04:10:01.799 Uh what did it beat? Oh? Melg solid. 5088 04:10:02.799 --> 04:10:04.799 I also think Divinity Originals in two might have been 5089 04:10:04.840 --> 04:10:06.520 a little uh what's the word? 5090 04:10:06.639 --> 04:10:11.319 Like a underdog coming up. So kudos to you if 5091 04:10:11.319 --> 04:10:15.520 your brackets intact. Okary, we're out of the Sweet sixteen. 5092 04:10:16.120 --> 04:10:23.040 Our next matchup is Tetris versus Command and conquer Red 5093 04:10:23.079 --> 04:10:23.559 Alert too. 5094 04:10:24.280 --> 04:10:27.200 Mike, Mike, can we just do it? 5095 04:10:28.040 --> 04:10:31.079 I truly, I'm not doing this as a bit. I 5096 04:10:31.200 --> 04:10:34.959 actually I have my My heart is made of command 5097 04:10:35.000 --> 04:10:37.600 of Conquer, Red Alert, Tetris, Tetris. 5098 04:10:38.040 --> 04:10:41.440 I don't I blow it up, blow up history. I 5099 04:10:41.479 --> 04:10:42.639 don't want to be that. Uh. 5100 04:10:44.920 --> 04:10:48.799 I love Tetris. Tetris is fantastic, but my heart is 5101 04:10:48.840 --> 04:10:49.760 also with Redular two. 5102 04:10:49.879 --> 04:10:53.239 Tetris effect is probably the best version of Tetris ever. 5103 04:10:53.479 --> 04:10:54.719 And I love Tutus effect. 5104 04:10:54.799 --> 04:10:57.840 It is fucking ethereal and otherworldly and it's affecting. But 5105 04:10:58.000 --> 04:11:00.479 oh my god, Red Alert two one of the best 5106 04:11:00.479 --> 04:11:02.559 strategy games. It's the best strategy game ever, I think. 5107 04:11:02.760 --> 04:11:05.799 And uh yep, okay done. 5108 04:11:06.120 --> 04:11:10.159 I think this isn't our best list for like historical accuracy. 5109 04:11:10.239 --> 04:11:12.680 This is our list. So if that's the one that 5110 04:11:12.760 --> 04:11:15.559 you're you have, you know, the biggest boner for, then 5111 04:11:15.600 --> 04:11:16.319 that's the one that you get. 5112 04:11:17.239 --> 04:11:20.479 My dick is so huge for alert To, all. 5113 04:11:20.440 --> 04:11:23.159 Right, Red Alert To wins against Tetris. 5114 04:11:26.680 --> 04:11:30.079 It's really not a big it's not it's not a bit, 5115 04:11:30.159 --> 04:11:40.239 but it is funny like oh yes, respect, yeah, oh god, 5116 04:11:41.319 --> 04:11:44.159 I really am kind of hard, all right. 5117 04:11:44.239 --> 04:11:50.040 Our next one, Metal Gear Solid three Snake Eater versus 5118 04:11:50.520 --> 04:11:51.840 Super Mario Odyssey. 5119 04:12:00.040 --> 04:12:12.559 Yeah, your Solid three, dude, Odyssey is fucking awesome. 5120 04:12:13.280 --> 04:12:15.040 Is the best Mario game. 5121 04:12:15.440 --> 04:12:19.879 I agree. It's one of the reasons why I like why. 5122 04:12:19.920 --> 04:12:23.360 I was like, well, I mean Super Mario Odyssey. Like 5123 04:12:23.520 --> 04:12:25.040 Odyssey is like the pinnacle. 5124 04:12:25.719 --> 04:12:28.920 It's best Metal Year versus best Mario from When you 5125 04:12:28.959 --> 04:12:30.879 put it that way, those are my two favorite series. 5126 04:12:31.239 --> 04:12:33.760 That's my holy trinity is Metal Here Mario Zelda, but 5127 04:12:34.040 --> 04:12:36.000 like Metal Gear probably one and two. 5128 04:12:36.520 --> 04:12:37.559 I think I go Snake Eater. 5129 04:12:38.639 --> 04:12:43.040 I'm gonna be Odyssey. Obviously. It's the It's the best Mario. 5130 04:12:43.319 --> 04:12:44.479 It's fucking insane. 5131 04:12:45.600 --> 04:12:48.520 It's it's pure joy beginning the end. 5132 04:12:48.879 --> 04:12:51.760 It's pure happiness incarnate. 5133 04:12:53.239 --> 04:12:55.840 But can you beat a boss by saving the game 5134 04:12:55.920 --> 04:12:57.719 and leaving for a week and then he just dies 5135 04:12:57.760 --> 04:13:01.079 of old age? Fucking cool, It's really cool. 5136 04:13:04.840 --> 04:13:06.799 It's tough because then you think about Odyssey, it's like 5137 04:13:06.879 --> 04:13:09.479 my mind's going to like, okay, well, maybe there's a 5138 04:13:09.559 --> 04:13:10.440 higher skill ceiling in. 5139 04:13:10.479 --> 04:13:13.159 One and Odyssey. You can chain together all the hat 5140 04:13:13.239 --> 04:13:14.760 throws and jumps and shit. 5141 04:13:14.680 --> 04:13:16.760 Oh if you want to speed run and stuff like, yeah, 5142 04:13:16.920 --> 04:13:20.040 odysty is way more interesting, and I'm getting I got 5143 04:13:20.200 --> 04:13:22.440 every single moon in that and did all the super 5144 04:13:22.479 --> 04:13:25.239 crazy bonus endings and all it's it's incredible. It's a 5145 04:13:25.280 --> 04:13:30.360 fucking perfect game. But I will remember Middle of Your 5146 04:13:30.440 --> 04:13:32.239 Solid three forever. I mean, same with Odyssey. 5147 04:13:32.319 --> 04:13:36.920 But yeah, I really, really really like Super Mario Odyssey. 5148 04:13:36.959 --> 04:13:40.440 It is my favorite Mario game. But Snake Eater is 5149 04:13:40.719 --> 04:13:47.520 just has so many fucking colossal moments that are are 5150 04:13:47.680 --> 04:13:49.760 too good to ignore, right, I gotta go Snake Eater. 5151 04:13:50.959 --> 04:13:52.680 Okay, I'm blown away. 5152 04:13:53.040 --> 04:13:54.959 I'm surprised that was that easy for you. Dan, Not 5153 04:13:55.040 --> 04:13:56.479 that it was easy, but like, I'm shook it. 5154 04:13:56.799 --> 04:13:58.879 I mean, snaky fucking cool. 5155 04:13:59.040 --> 04:14:02.040 Yeah, it's good, all right, Okay. 5156 04:14:02.280 --> 04:14:06.559 Snake Eater bumped out Super Mario odysty I didn't see 5157 04:14:06.559 --> 04:14:09.079 that coming. I wonder how this one will go. Red 5158 04:14:09.200 --> 04:14:12.360 Dead Redemption two versus eldin Ring. 5159 04:14:13.000 --> 04:14:16.920 Okay, Red Dead had a nice ride. I would have 5160 04:14:17.000 --> 04:14:19.840 put it before, but strongly elden Ring here. 5161 04:14:22.319 --> 04:14:25.840 Yeah, I agree, I mean I think elden Ring. So 5162 04:14:26.000 --> 04:14:28.120 the reason we like fought for Red Dead and it 5163 04:14:28.159 --> 04:14:29.479 got as far as it did was because it was 5164 04:14:29.520 --> 04:14:33.159 so intricate and because it was so well designed. Elden 5165 04:14:33.280 --> 04:14:36.440 Ring is so intricate and so well designed on the 5166 04:14:36.559 --> 04:14:37.719 scale is incredible. 5167 04:14:38.479 --> 04:14:41.440 When we're freedom, I'm not I'm not gonna fight that. 5168 04:14:41.840 --> 04:14:46.120 Sure, Yes, elden Ring wins. I think I don't even 5169 04:14:46.120 --> 04:14:50.840 think elden Ring's world is on the same. No, other 5170 04:14:50.959 --> 04:14:51.520 Ring's really. 5171 04:14:51.399 --> 04:14:54.079 Good by the moment when you get past storm Bail 5172 04:14:54.360 --> 04:14:57.079 and it's like you're already like fifteen hours in and 5173 04:14:57.239 --> 04:14:58.559 then you see all that shit. 5174 04:14:58.799 --> 04:15:04.079 Oh it was fucking real for me a while. 5175 04:15:04.840 --> 04:15:08.360 It was it was the the subterranean, the fact that 5176 04:15:08.559 --> 04:15:10.680 that whole thing was under you the whole time, which 5177 04:15:11.000 --> 04:15:12.239 tears the kingdom also. 5178 04:15:12.079 --> 04:15:16.520 Did, but like I was more interesting, Yeah for sure. Yeah, no, 5179 04:15:16.799 --> 04:15:18.040 that's fine, Okay. 5180 04:15:18.479 --> 04:15:21.399 Rocket League bumps out red Dead Redemption two. 5181 04:15:22.760 --> 04:15:24.600 Wait no, we didn't talk about Rocket League yet. 5182 04:15:24.600 --> 04:15:27.600 Sorry, elden Ring bumps. Sorry, I was reading. 5183 04:15:27.319 --> 04:15:33.079 Ahead Clandestine Ship to get Rocket League for fucket. 5184 04:15:32.879 --> 04:15:37.879 League won our best game. Our next matchup is Rocket 5185 04:15:37.959 --> 04:15:42.959 League versus hit Man World of Assassination. I do think 5186 04:15:43.159 --> 04:15:47.680 this is gonna probably. I mean, I I love both 5187 04:15:47.719 --> 04:15:48.879 of these games very much. 5188 04:15:49.600 --> 04:15:50.040 I would be. 5189 04:15:52.239 --> 04:15:55.319 Shocked if Rocket League survived this. It just doesn't seem 5190 04:15:55.399 --> 04:15:56.000 like it will. 5191 04:15:57.440 --> 04:15:59.639 I mean, I was just saying, I'm firmly hit Man. 5192 04:15:59.840 --> 04:16:02.280 I'm yeah, you're Oh wait, you're on you're hit Man 5193 04:16:02.319 --> 04:16:06.319 as well. Mary. I I think. 5194 04:16:09.920 --> 04:16:12.239 I have I have more fun with Rocket League, but 5195 04:16:12.879 --> 04:16:16.879 I respect and love hit Man, so I'm fine with 5196 04:16:17.000 --> 04:16:17.280 hit Man. 5197 04:16:17.440 --> 04:16:17.600 Yeah. 5198 04:16:17.959 --> 04:16:21.200 Here, I thought that was there's no losers in this, 5199 04:16:21.479 --> 04:16:24.680 but I mean, I personally love Rocket League more. 5200 04:16:24.719 --> 04:16:26.239 I thought you were going to go Rocket League, and 5201 04:16:26.280 --> 04:16:28.680 I would have to figure that out because I truly 5202 04:16:28.719 --> 04:16:29.680 don't know how I would pick. 5203 04:16:29.760 --> 04:16:30.920 But yeah, hit Man. 5204 04:16:31.600 --> 04:16:33.520 I would have picked Hitman eventually, let's be honest. But 5205 04:16:33.680 --> 04:16:35.719 I think I think you would have to hit Man 5206 04:16:35.920 --> 04:16:36.680 or Rocket League. 5207 04:16:37.360 --> 04:16:41.040 Rock League is sick, feeling crazy League is. 5208 04:16:41.200 --> 04:16:45.639 Crazy feeling made they yeah, yeah, okay, well. 5209 04:16:47.200 --> 04:16:52.959 Then hit Man beats rocket League. Next legend of Zelda. 5210 04:16:53.159 --> 04:17:00.559 A link to the past versus Divinity Original Sin too. Shit, 5211 04:17:00.920 --> 04:17:04.479 I think this is probably where Divinity stops. I think 5212 04:17:04.600 --> 04:17:07.319 that's it for me. A link to the past is 5213 04:17:07.360 --> 04:17:10.840 like really hard to argue against, and that's really good. 5214 04:17:10.920 --> 04:17:12.799 So yeah, I'm with that is why this is why 5215 04:17:12.840 --> 04:17:20.959 we're friends. Yeah, I didn't expect that. Okay, yeah, okay, okay, okay. 5216 04:17:21.239 --> 04:17:21.319 Uh. 5217 04:17:21.639 --> 04:17:25.120 A link to the past bumps out Divinity original sintwo uh. 5218 04:17:25.559 --> 04:17:35.000 Next Resident Evil remake versus Bloodborn, God damn interesting one. 5219 04:17:36.079 --> 04:17:37.440 I still have to go blood Born. 5220 04:17:38.319 --> 04:17:40.200 I'm gonna go remake. 5221 04:17:40.799 --> 04:17:43.920 Oh no, I'm torn, I do. 5222 04:17:44.319 --> 04:17:46.920 I just think Resident Evil remake is so fucking insane. 5223 04:17:47.000 --> 04:17:50.719 It's so cool, like the game, the level design, it's 5224 04:17:50.799 --> 04:17:53.079 so cool, and like, I know, Bloodborne actually also has 5225 04:17:53.120 --> 04:17:55.879 good level design, but like, oh well, well, well. 5226 04:17:55.840 --> 04:17:58.719 Yeah, okay, well actually if dan If are you swayable 5227 04:17:58.840 --> 04:17:59.319 or you are. 5228 04:17:59.280 --> 04:18:01.760 You, I'm not gonna labor this Resident Evil. 5229 04:18:03.000 --> 04:18:05.760 Sulright, that's fine, Yeah, all right, that's fine. 5230 04:18:06.120 --> 04:18:08.879 They're both great. But when I think Ari remake, I'm like, 5231 04:18:08.959 --> 04:18:11.360 oh yeah, that's hell yeah, and Bloodborne I'm like, oh yeah, 5232 04:18:11.360 --> 04:18:15.000 I should go back to that. But like Ari remake, okay, yeah, 5233 04:18:15.079 --> 04:18:16.200 it's it's so good. 5234 04:18:17.520 --> 04:18:21.920 Okay, I think comparing Resume remakes level designed to bloodborns 5235 04:18:22.040 --> 04:18:23.760 is asenine, But that's fine. 5236 04:18:24.559 --> 04:18:26.479 Saying at break in here and kick my ass, yeah, 5237 04:18:27.520 --> 04:18:29.920 will be there. I'll hold him while he kicks you. 5238 04:18:30.239 --> 04:18:32.120 I don't know how that would work, but the dooms 5239 04:18:32.239 --> 04:18:34.159 do not let him know that that. Okay, No, Resume 5240 04:18:34.200 --> 04:18:35.600 Will remake is great, It's phenomenal. 5241 04:18:35.680 --> 04:18:36.040 I love it. 5242 04:18:36.600 --> 04:18:41.200 Okay, uh Resident Evil Remake, Bumps Bloodborne. I'm amazed with 5243 04:18:41.239 --> 04:18:41.920 how quick that went. 5244 04:18:43.000 --> 04:18:43.159 Too. 5245 04:18:44.280 --> 04:18:49.559 Legend of Zelda Ocarina of Time versus Hades. 5246 04:18:51.159 --> 04:18:59.000 You had had, yeah matchup, we're hurtling towards everybody else. 5247 04:19:00.200 --> 04:19:04.000 Yeah, notice this, I think the final four from what 5248 04:19:04.079 --> 04:19:06.920 I'm I'm a lot of at that. Let's not get 5249 04:19:06.920 --> 04:19:07.159 that far. 5250 04:19:07.719 --> 04:19:08.840 I think the final four is. 5251 04:19:08.840 --> 04:19:12.559 Going to be two really really rough matchups. Yeah, it's 5252 04:19:12.600 --> 04:19:13.559 it's got to be Akarina. 5253 04:19:13.879 --> 04:19:21.440 Okay, so Akarina Bumps out Haites. Next, GoldenEye versus Breadth 5254 04:19:21.479 --> 04:19:22.000 of the Wild. 5255 04:19:23.079 --> 04:19:27.799 Ah man, all right, I fucking love Golden Eye. But whatever, 5256 04:19:28.360 --> 04:19:30.079 Yeah it happened. 5257 04:19:30.639 --> 04:19:35.680 Yeah, yep, all right, sick. That was the sixteen. So 5258 04:19:35.879 --> 04:19:38.959 we're really down now we're down to uh. 5259 04:19:40.959 --> 04:19:42.680 Was that sixteen or eight? Eight? 5260 04:19:43.079 --> 04:19:43.639 Now we have eight? 5261 04:19:44.120 --> 04:19:46.879 Now we have eight? Okay eight, this is the Elite eight. Okay, yeah, 5262 04:19:46.959 --> 04:19:48.000 this is the Elite eight. 5263 04:19:48.440 --> 04:19:49.000 Are you ready? 5264 04:19:49.639 --> 04:19:49.719 Oh? 5265 04:19:49.799 --> 04:19:52.959 Yeah, the one we just created is gonna Okay. 5266 04:19:52.760 --> 04:19:56.760 Command and Conquer Red Alert two versus Metal Gears, Hulid three, 5267 04:19:57.000 --> 04:19:57.600 Snake Eater. 5268 04:19:57.840 --> 04:20:04.040 Oh that's where it has been fun that we push 5269 04:20:08.639 --> 04:20:14.000 we made Command of Conquer. I'm still I'm still riding 5270 04:20:14.079 --> 04:20:16.559 Reddler too, but it was good while we were there. 5271 04:20:17.159 --> 04:20:20.760 We this is your stop. I'm fine with that. 5272 04:20:20.920 --> 04:20:23.959 I'm not I'm gonna get off again. 5273 04:20:25.040 --> 04:20:27.719 With Reddler too. You know you got to get off. 5274 04:20:30.079 --> 04:20:32.559 Hold on, hold on, hold on, let me know, let 5275 04:20:32.600 --> 04:20:34.840 me actually like think about this for a second. That 5276 04:20:35.000 --> 04:20:37.440 was just kind of pure did going. 5277 04:20:39.680 --> 04:20:43.639 Nope, I'm going Reddler to respect it. I respect I 5278 04:20:43.680 --> 04:20:48.719 got it? Yeah for me? Have you heard enough about 5279 04:20:48.719 --> 04:20:49.920 both of these merry or do we. 5280 04:20:51.040 --> 04:20:55.159 Really talked a lot about both of these games? Can 5281 04:20:55.239 --> 04:21:00.520 you do like, because you've talked exhaustively, can you just 5282 04:21:00.600 --> 04:21:03.200 give me a nice like listen, this is my final 5283 04:21:04.879 --> 04:21:06.680 pitch and it should be short. 5284 04:21:08.600 --> 04:21:13.120 Metal Ear Solid three is the best story in the 5285 04:21:13.159 --> 04:21:15.520 middle Gear Solid series. It is, no, no, no. 5286 04:21:15.639 --> 04:21:23.719 I wanted you to save that for potentially next round 5287 04:21:23.840 --> 04:21:25.520 because the more I think about them, like, what am 5288 04:21:25.559 --> 04:21:25.879 I doing? 5289 04:21:26.200 --> 04:21:26.680 It's come. 5290 04:21:28.920 --> 04:21:29.319 It took me. 5291 04:21:29.520 --> 04:21:32.760 I'm sorry it took me so long, but yeah, it's okay, yep, okay. 5292 04:21:33.559 --> 04:21:37.559 All right next. Oh and just to clarify, uh, metal 5293 04:21:37.600 --> 04:21:41.479 Gear Solid three wins against Command and Conquer red alert 5294 04:21:41.559 --> 04:21:46.840 to our next matchup is elden Ring versus hit Man 5295 04:21:47.200 --> 04:21:48.799 World of Assassination. 5296 04:21:51.399 --> 04:21:53.920 This time I'm going to hit Man. 5297 04:21:54.399 --> 04:21:58.520 I'm I think, oh, i'm. 5298 04:21:59.200 --> 04:22:00.399 Uh uh. 5299 04:22:02.120 --> 04:22:04.000 Different ways they're like so important. 5300 04:22:04.719 --> 04:22:06.920 I think hit Man's more uneven. I think there are 5301 04:22:07.479 --> 04:22:08.719 levels that are not great. 5302 04:22:08.920 --> 04:22:11.520 I think, especially in three near the end, like the 5303 04:22:11.600 --> 04:22:14.399 train level and stuff, it started thinking like we cared 5304 04:22:14.479 --> 04:22:17.360 more about the story and the lore of forty seven 5305 04:22:17.399 --> 04:22:17.719 than we do. 5306 04:22:18.600 --> 04:22:20.399 Sure, yeah, that's true. 5307 04:22:21.040 --> 04:22:25.239 I will say also, I don't see many people talking 5308 04:22:25.239 --> 04:22:27.719 about I think elden Ring can actually get really fucking 5309 04:22:27.799 --> 04:22:30.239 boring in the open world. Sometimes it's not I'm not 5310 04:22:30.280 --> 04:22:32.360 saying it needs to be densely as I don't. I 5311 04:22:32.399 --> 04:22:35.520 don't want it to be more ubisofted, but I still 5312 04:22:35.600 --> 04:22:40.319 think there are vast stretches of that open world that 5313 04:22:40.479 --> 04:22:44.000 it can't even I'm not I'm already trying to compare 5314 04:22:44.000 --> 04:22:45.879 it to another open world game that does so many 5315 04:22:45.920 --> 04:22:46.440 things better. 5316 04:22:46.760 --> 04:22:47.079 But like. 5317 04:22:49.040 --> 04:22:50.840 My point being, I totally agree with you with hit 5318 04:22:50.959 --> 04:22:53.159 Man three, and like I think they went way too 5319 04:22:53.280 --> 04:22:55.120 story focused with some of the stuff in three, even 5320 04:22:55.120 --> 04:22:57.399 though that also has some of my favorite maps. 5321 04:22:57.879 --> 04:23:00.399 Berlin great maps. Yeah is Real. 5322 04:23:01.760 --> 04:23:02.680 Is incredible but like. 5323 04:23:04.280 --> 04:23:06.440 I also do think elden Ring has some of those 5324 04:23:06.479 --> 04:23:08.719 throwaway dungeons where it's like, oh, this is just a 5325 04:23:08.840 --> 04:23:10.879 cut and paste of that mini boss, that cat one 5326 04:23:11.000 --> 04:23:12.760 that swipes downward at you. 5327 04:23:13.520 --> 04:23:16.040 It's all you know, gray and stepping on switches and yeah, 5328 04:23:16.159 --> 04:23:17.360 definitely that Catos. 5329 04:23:17.680 --> 04:23:18.200 That's that's. 5330 04:23:18.319 --> 04:23:20.840 That's all I'm saying is like, I think I think elden. 5331 04:23:20.639 --> 04:23:23.120 Ring can be on even as well, but like I 5332 04:23:23.239 --> 04:23:25.239 think I'm leaning towards elden Ring. 5333 04:23:25.399 --> 04:23:28.159 That's fine again, It's just I'm totally fine with that. 5334 04:23:28.559 --> 04:23:31.760 I mean, Hetman was Elite eight that I think it's 5335 04:23:31.799 --> 04:23:33.079 where it deserves to be. 5336 04:23:33.520 --> 04:23:38.680 Okay, elden Ring beats hit Man. Next legend of Zelda 5337 04:23:38.719 --> 04:23:41.760 Link to the Past against Resident Evil remake. 5338 04:23:43.600 --> 04:23:43.840 Ship. 5339 04:23:43.920 --> 04:23:45.559 I mean, I don't think too many of us are 5340 04:23:45.559 --> 04:23:48.319 probably gonna argue with Linked in the Past. 5341 04:23:48.520 --> 04:23:54.760 So yeah, okay, it's okay, my my, my trifecta Zelda 5342 04:23:54.879 --> 04:23:59.959 Resident Evil and I used to say Ratchet and Clank, Yeah, 5343 04:24:00.120 --> 04:24:05.040 but I think it's probably Halo. These're all very good 5344 04:24:05.120 --> 04:24:08.600 serious anyway, Yeah, Linked in the Past. 5345 04:24:14.000 --> 04:24:15.639 I thought you're gonna say two games and then. 5346 04:24:18.879 --> 04:24:21.639 That would have been really god. I wish I was God. 5347 04:24:21.680 --> 04:24:23.000 I wish I was as funny as Mary. I would 5348 04:24:23.040 --> 04:24:27.239 have said that would have been Goodfecta is Zelda and 5349 04:24:27.319 --> 04:24:28.639 Resident Evil and Zenya. 5350 04:24:30.799 --> 04:24:34.000 Okay, so uh linked to the past wins of a 5351 04:24:34.040 --> 04:24:39.399 Resident Evil, our last one Legend of Zelda Ocarina of 5352 04:24:39.520 --> 04:24:43.239 Time versus Legend of Zelda, Breath of the Wild Man. 5353 04:24:43.559 --> 04:24:46.959 All right, it's it's Breath of the Wild. 5354 04:24:47.120 --> 04:24:51.040 Yeah, but also like that's the best Zelda game versus 5355 04:24:51.639 --> 04:24:52.879 the second best Selda. 5356 04:24:53.399 --> 04:24:55.719 Right, well, I disagree with that, but like, I do 5357 04:24:55.959 --> 04:24:59.799 think that Okarina. Part of what's so magical about that 5358 04:25:00.079 --> 04:25:01.959 is that it was their first swing at three D, 5359 04:25:02.319 --> 04:25:04.319 same way that Mario sixty four was, Like, how the 5360 04:25:04.360 --> 04:25:06.399 fuck is it that? Like, we didn't have three D 5361 04:25:06.520 --> 04:25:09.840 games before, and then Nintendo on their first swing their 5362 04:25:09.879 --> 04:25:13.040 two biggest franchises, they super knocked it out of the park. 5363 04:25:14.200 --> 04:25:16.639 And not just like, oh it was good for early 5364 04:25:16.760 --> 04:25:19.360 three D. No, Akarna is still one of the best 5365 04:25:19.399 --> 04:25:21.200 games of all time. I still play through that and 5366 04:25:21.280 --> 04:25:23.440 I'm in awe of how fucking good that game is. 5367 04:25:24.360 --> 04:25:27.239 But Breath of the Wild is on a different level. 5368 04:25:27.440 --> 04:25:27.760 Yeah, and. 5369 04:25:29.399 --> 04:25:31.239 It's yeah, it's breath the while for me same. 5370 04:25:32.040 --> 04:25:35.440 The bracket has spoken. We are at top four. You ready? 5371 04:25:35.879 --> 04:25:36.479 Oh boy? 5372 04:25:37.559 --> 04:25:42.559 Okay, Metal Gear Solid three Snake Eater versus Eldon Ring. 5373 04:25:43.280 --> 04:25:48.600 Oh I mean I'm snake Eater. 5374 04:25:49.319 --> 04:25:50.719 Sorry, Bud, I'm elden Ring. 5375 04:25:51.280 --> 04:25:59.239 God, all right, Mike, this is a big one, elden Ring. 5376 04:26:00.159 --> 04:26:02.079 Remember the b man that makes a Tommy gun out 5377 04:26:02.079 --> 04:26:03.040 of bees and shoot. 5378 04:26:02.879 --> 04:26:04.079 Bees in the up. 5379 04:26:05.680 --> 04:26:10.520 Remember the long Predator sequence with a tall letter. Remember 5380 04:26:10.520 --> 04:26:12.600 the Spirit river God? 5381 04:26:13.959 --> 04:26:16.280 Cool? Yeah, Lightning Man. 5382 04:26:16.920 --> 04:26:21.319 Let me at least say this snake here is the 5383 04:26:21.440 --> 04:26:25.680 cooler game. Yeah, but that's mm hmmm. 5384 04:26:26.840 --> 04:26:27.280 But is it? 5385 04:26:27.440 --> 04:26:30.479 Bester? Like the boss fights? 5386 04:26:30.920 --> 04:26:36.159 My god, some of the best boss fights or the 5387 04:26:36.280 --> 04:26:37.159 best boss fight ever? 5388 04:26:37.639 --> 04:26:38.280 The character? 5389 04:26:41.079 --> 04:26:43.200 Can you put your p S five on sleep and 5390 04:26:43.319 --> 04:26:45.040 go away and then you come back and read On's 5391 04:26:45.079 --> 04:26:46.159 Dead of old age? 5392 04:26:46.559 --> 04:26:46.600 No? 5393 04:26:48.159 --> 04:26:51.879 You can you eat twenty mushrooms and spin around a 5394 04:26:51.920 --> 04:27:00.159 bunch of puke. Not fuck huge pro sack. So you 5395 04:27:00.200 --> 04:27:02.159 canna have sex and snake Eater on a bear? You 5396 04:27:02.200 --> 04:27:03.159 know you know what's rough? 5397 04:27:03.319 --> 04:27:06.680 I actually I I don't. I'm not it's it's here. 5398 04:27:06.959 --> 04:27:09.520 I'm not complaining. All I'm saying is I don't think 5399 04:27:09.559 --> 04:27:11.600 elden Ring should be in our in in a final four, 5400 04:27:11.719 --> 04:27:15.440 but it is, and it's it's a fucking phenomenal game. 5401 04:27:15.639 --> 04:27:16.479 I think I just. 5402 04:27:18.040 --> 04:27:19.719 A lot of people like elden Ring more than I do, 5403 04:27:21.639 --> 04:27:25.079 but I also know it's it's like monumental, It's fucking awesome. 5404 04:27:25.239 --> 04:27:40.879 I love it, oh, I I honestly, I think I 5405 04:27:41.000 --> 04:27:45.440 have to go snake eater. I I love elden Ring, 5406 04:27:45.559 --> 04:27:52.719 but like, h like fucking cool ship cool ship per minute. 5407 04:27:52.719 --> 04:27:53.399 Like ye. 5408 04:27:55.120 --> 04:27:57.959 To us? Yeah, but also like I I how did 5409 04:27:58.040 --> 04:28:02.559 we get here? Yeah? 5410 04:28:02.639 --> 04:28:09.040 I stand by that. I'm elden Ring is a great game. 5411 04:28:09.120 --> 04:28:14.040 I haven't I have qualms with it that I think 5412 04:28:14.079 --> 04:28:15.120 it got farther than the should have. 5413 04:28:15.280 --> 04:28:26.079 That's fine, Okay, somehow Metal Gear Solid three one over 5414 04:28:26.200 --> 04:28:29.280 elden Ring, and now we are at Legend of Zelda 5415 04:28:29.360 --> 04:28:31.959 Link to the Past versus Legend of Zelda Breath of 5416 04:28:32.079 --> 04:28:32.680 a Wild. 5417 04:28:33.319 --> 04:28:38.840 I can't lose. I just realized that way, what's still 5418 04:28:38.879 --> 04:28:41.360 there even if all of my favorite games. 5419 04:28:41.200 --> 04:28:44.799 Even if elden Ring had won, though, yeah, but this 5420 04:28:44.959 --> 04:28:46.159 is three of my favorite games. 5421 04:28:46.200 --> 04:28:47.159 This is two of Fary's. 5422 04:28:47.159 --> 04:28:49.479 I think, like, yeah, yeah, I think we all win, 5423 04:28:49.920 --> 04:28:50.479 which is good. 5424 04:28:51.079 --> 04:28:54.760 The Wild Yeah, that's the hardest decision I could ever make. 5425 04:28:56.760 --> 04:28:59.440 I think that's very very very very very very difficult. 5426 04:29:03.639 --> 04:29:03.920 All Right. 5427 04:29:04.079 --> 04:29:07.479 The Past is like pretty expertly designed. 5428 04:29:08.120 --> 04:29:13.120 Oh it's way more replayable. I have, like I said, 5429 04:29:13.159 --> 04:29:15.719 played that probably fifty times. Breath the Wild. I haven't 5430 04:29:15.719 --> 04:29:17.840 gone back to since the first time, just because I 5431 04:29:17.959 --> 04:29:22.120 feel like you can't. Really is the exploration in the 5432 04:29:22.159 --> 04:29:25.959 discovery that was so huge with Breath the Wild more 5433 04:29:26.000 --> 04:29:28.440 than the moment to moment, Like I understand the complaints 5434 04:29:28.479 --> 04:29:30.639 about the breakable weapons and all that stuff, and I 5435 04:29:30.719 --> 04:29:34.559 wonder if that would be worse on subsequent playthroughs and 5436 04:29:34.799 --> 04:29:36.360 like linked to the Past kind of has the edge 5437 04:29:36.360 --> 04:29:39.399 and like more dungeons and traditional dungeons, because that was 5438 04:29:39.479 --> 04:29:41.840 one of the complaints about Breath the Wild was that, 5439 04:29:42.040 --> 04:29:44.200 like it's got four kind of dungeons. 5440 04:29:45.520 --> 04:29:47.280 I think the Past has a shit ton and the 5441 04:29:47.360 --> 04:29:48.520 light world dark world stuff. 5442 04:29:50.079 --> 04:29:50.200 Uh. 5443 04:29:51.079 --> 04:29:52.760 I go back and forth between these two of my 5444 04:29:52.879 --> 04:29:56.760 favorite end of all time, And I still don't know 5445 04:29:56.840 --> 04:29:57.239 the answer. 5446 04:30:01.280 --> 04:30:04.559 Mary, Are you leaning anyway so slightly? 5447 04:30:05.239 --> 04:30:06.040 I'm suffering. 5448 04:30:08.559 --> 04:30:09.959 I am leaning one way if. 5449 04:30:09.920 --> 04:30:11.840 If it makes it easier on you, I can tell 5450 04:30:11.840 --> 04:30:13.280 you where I'm leaning and I don't think you're a 5451 04:30:13.360 --> 04:30:14.920 surprised I'm leaning Breath. 5452 04:30:14.760 --> 04:30:15.120 Of the Wild. 5453 04:30:15.200 --> 04:30:15.920 Breath of the Wild. 5454 04:30:16.040 --> 04:30:19.000 Yeah, I think Breath of the Wild is what video 5455 04:30:19.079 --> 04:30:21.680 games were building towards since they fucking started. 5456 04:30:22.000 --> 04:30:25.879 Yea, elements of it are just so wild. 5457 04:30:27.799 --> 04:30:32.559 Yeah, it's comparing a fucking like I'm not enough of 5458 04:30:32.600 --> 04:30:35.920 an expert to understand whether this is a good metaphor, 5459 04:30:36.440 --> 04:30:39.040 but it's like comparing link to the Past. 5460 04:30:39.200 --> 04:30:41.360 Is this really fucking intricate, really. 5461 04:30:41.879 --> 04:30:45.360 Well made, ornate watch, Breath the Wild is the fucking 5462 04:30:45.440 --> 04:30:48.040 Grandfather Clock Like, it's they're so. 5463 04:30:50.639 --> 04:30:53.079 I have never played a game. 5464 04:30:54.520 --> 04:30:58.360 With the sense of discovery is just so potent, even 5465 04:30:58.440 --> 04:31:00.479 after one hundred and twenty hours and Breath of the 5466 04:31:00.520 --> 04:31:04.479 Wild and that's there's absolutely nothing. I I think if 5467 04:31:04.520 --> 04:31:07.360 you're if you're talking about lack of flaws, then Linked 5468 04:31:07.360 --> 04:31:09.479 to the Past wins every single fucking day over any 5469 04:31:09.600 --> 04:31:12.159 video game ever made. It's I think it's the It's 5470 04:31:12.200 --> 04:31:13.559 the only game I would call perfect. 5471 04:31:14.200 --> 04:31:15.479 It's like that in Mario World for me. 5472 04:31:15.680 --> 04:31:18.000 Yeah, there there are very few, but like, Breath of 5473 04:31:18.000 --> 04:31:21.520 the Wild is just it's weird too, because I also 5474 04:31:21.680 --> 04:31:22.600 I also think. 5475 04:31:24.239 --> 04:31:27.840 M no, I'm I'm sold. It's Breath the While for me. 5476 04:31:27.920 --> 04:31:30.760 Breath of the Wild. Yeah, just so incredible, the way 5477 04:31:30.760 --> 04:31:35.440 it makes you feel, the story where you go, I yeah, 5478 04:31:35.639 --> 04:31:37.200 it's beautiful, the way. 5479 04:31:37.120 --> 04:31:38.959 The way you can have You can you can jump 5480 04:31:39.040 --> 04:31:42.079 in for five minutes and have a memorable mini adventures time. 5481 04:31:42.239 --> 04:31:44.639 You can jump in for an entire Sunday and like 5482 04:31:44.920 --> 04:31:47.680 just see ship for twelve hours straight. That you just 5483 04:31:48.799 --> 04:31:51.399 there's there's stuff in there that no one. People don't 5484 04:31:51.399 --> 04:31:54.159 talk about because there's so much. But like all of 5485 04:31:54.159 --> 04:31:56.680 a sudden, you're paragliding over this cycliff and all of 5486 04:31:56.719 --> 04:31:58.479 a sudden there's this little beach village. You had no 5487 04:31:58.639 --> 04:32:01.680 idea existed. That ship ton of NPCs. There aren't even 5488 04:32:01.760 --> 04:32:04.239 that many side quests to pursue from there. It's just 5489 04:32:04.479 --> 04:32:06.959 this whole community living down there. That's like, oh no, 5490 04:32:07.079 --> 04:32:09.520 we're fishermen. We just found this little inlet's protected from 5491 04:32:09.520 --> 04:32:13.000 the wind. Like, oh cool, good for you. I gotta 5492 04:32:13.000 --> 04:32:14.360 go fucking build this village. 5493 04:32:14.719 --> 04:32:15.680 Yeah, that's a sick. 5494 04:32:18.079 --> 04:32:20.120 You can do stupid shit that you're not even ready for. 5495 04:32:20.280 --> 04:32:21.600 Where it's like, oh, I wonder if I can get 5496 04:32:21.600 --> 04:32:24.040 on the other side of this mountain during a thunderstorm, 5497 04:32:24.239 --> 04:32:26.680 and even though you don't have nearly enough stamina or anything, 5498 04:32:26.879 --> 04:32:28.760 you can just kind of like I'm gonna get my 5499 04:32:28.799 --> 04:32:30.600 stand on the back, I'm gonna try to crawl and 5500 04:32:30.680 --> 04:32:32.639 jump over there and like it to what end. It's 5501 04:32:32.639 --> 04:32:34.760 not even for like a mission. It's just like you're 5502 04:32:34.799 --> 04:32:37.760 climbing a mountain to see if you can, and it's rewarding. 5503 04:32:38.040 --> 04:32:38.479 It's ye. 5504 04:32:38.879 --> 04:32:42.120 Also, I fucking was very wrong earlier. I said this 5505 04:32:42.200 --> 04:32:44.040 on or two is the best immersive sim ever, maybe 5506 04:32:44.120 --> 04:32:46.239 Hit Man. It's Breath of the Wild Tiers of the Kingdom. 5507 04:32:46.280 --> 04:32:48.360 But Breath of the Wild especially like in the debate 5508 04:32:48.399 --> 04:32:50.200 between Breath of the Wild Tiers of the Kingdom, it's 5509 04:32:50.239 --> 04:32:54.159 like even now, and I said at the time it 5510 04:32:54.239 --> 04:32:55.879 came out, it's like Tiers of Kingdom is a better 5511 04:32:56.079 --> 04:32:56.840 game technically. 5512 04:32:57.000 --> 04:33:01.079 I I think I was wrong. I Breath of the 5513 04:33:01.079 --> 04:33:01.680 Wild just. 5514 04:33:04.080 --> 04:33:06.560 It changed. It's hard to say it changed. 5515 04:33:06.400 --> 04:33:08.799 Everything because I don't think anybody else can do that. Again, 5516 04:33:09.000 --> 04:33:11.360 it's not something people can emulate, so it's not like 5517 04:33:12.759 --> 04:33:16.119 the closest. The closest anybody got was from software being 5518 04:33:16.159 --> 04:33:19.240 like okay, well let's try to do a similar open 5519 04:33:19.319 --> 04:33:22.840 world that we put our combat in. But even if 5520 04:33:22.880 --> 04:33:24.919 it was breatha while versus elden Ring, I still ten 5521 04:33:24.959 --> 04:33:26.479 times out of ten would go breath of the wild. 5522 04:33:27.240 --> 04:33:32.279 Me too, truly really hit me the first time I 5523 04:33:32.400 --> 04:33:35.919 was in a thunderstor storm and all of a sudden 5524 04:33:35.919 --> 04:33:37.319 that you hear lightning in the distance, and all of 5525 04:33:37.319 --> 04:33:39.639 a sudden, the sword you're holding starts sparking. 5526 04:33:41.080 --> 04:33:42.639 Such an awesome moment. 5527 04:33:43.080 --> 04:33:43.959 There's those layers. 5528 04:33:44.279 --> 04:33:47.319 Shit, sorry, I hit my microphone. There's layers where it's like, oh, 5529 04:33:47.400 --> 04:33:49.919 there's a storm, weather patterns, it's random. 5530 04:33:50.840 --> 04:33:54.360 This is awesome. Why is my sword sparking? You then 5531 04:33:55.080 --> 04:33:56.360 maybe get hit by lightning. 5532 04:33:56.439 --> 04:33:58.439 You're like, that was fucking awesome, even though I have 5533 04:33:58.560 --> 04:34:00.319 half a heart left and there's like the bit it 5534 04:34:00.799 --> 04:34:05.720 bit it low health. Once you then figure out you 5535 04:34:05.840 --> 04:34:08.240 can throw the sword at an enemy to get them 5536 04:34:08.279 --> 04:34:09.000 struck by lightning. 5537 04:34:09.080 --> 04:34:12.400 That's like the definition of immersive sim. It's like causing. 5538 04:34:12.119 --> 04:34:15.040 Effects all the different things. 5539 04:34:15.080 --> 04:34:16.880 You can put it to their chest and sneak up 5540 04:34:16.880 --> 04:34:18.959 to their face before they wake up, and just steal 5541 04:34:19.000 --> 04:34:20.400 the weapons off their neck. 5542 04:34:20.599 --> 04:34:21.599 Right without fighting them. 5543 04:34:24.080 --> 04:34:25.479 Then all of a sudden you go to the desert 5544 04:34:25.560 --> 04:34:29.599 and you can fucking wakeboard around on sand seals. 5545 04:34:30.400 --> 04:34:33.799 You don't have to do that at all. It's breath 5546 04:34:33.840 --> 04:34:37.200 the wild. There's always a fucking shrine in view that 5547 04:34:37.439 --> 04:34:40.319 you can go do and those are just phenomenal. 5548 04:34:39.959 --> 04:34:42.159 And like the shrines are all so good and there's 5549 04:34:42.319 --> 04:34:44.080 so many. 5550 04:34:44.080 --> 04:34:46.720 Of them, and they become fast travel points. 5551 04:34:46.759 --> 04:34:53.919 What you're done, yep, smart, elegant, elegant. Yeah, that's using 5552 04:34:54.000 --> 04:34:58.279 the towers for uh uh. They were just like really 5553 04:34:58.360 --> 04:35:01.360 wonderful ways for you to see the aggression in your 5554 04:35:01.639 --> 04:35:03.680 stamina meter over time. 5555 04:35:04.680 --> 04:35:07.000 And before that, like you know, stamping maps and stuff 5556 04:35:07.080 --> 04:35:08.240 was the thing you saw at the time in open 5557 04:35:08.279 --> 04:35:09.919 world games. Like the fact that you could like you 5558 04:35:10.000 --> 04:35:12.520 had the five beacons you could put from your binoculars 5559 04:35:12.520 --> 04:35:14.080 like oh, I see a thing, but then you can 5560 04:35:14.119 --> 04:35:15.720 also check them in and be like, oh here's the thing. 5561 04:35:15.759 --> 04:35:18.959 I could probably come back once I have this, and yeah, 5562 04:35:19.119 --> 04:35:20.959 holy shit, like yeah. 5563 04:35:21.159 --> 04:35:24.680 Also the way they made survival light shit kind of accessible. 5564 04:35:24.720 --> 04:35:26.439 It's like you go into the cold stuff, you see 5565 04:35:26.479 --> 04:35:27.680 the thermometers start to drop. 5566 04:35:27.759 --> 04:35:29.639 You're like, well, what the fuck am I supposed to do? 5567 04:35:29.919 --> 04:35:32.159 It's like, well, you can't go there yet, go get 5568 04:35:32.200 --> 04:35:35.319 some warm clothes, you fucking idiot, and then eat some peppers. Yeah, 5569 04:35:35.479 --> 04:35:37.840 or get this ability to fucking freeze a block of 5570 04:35:38.119 --> 04:35:40.680 river so you can jump across. Also, the amount of 5571 04:35:40.759 --> 04:35:44.759 ways that those the physics of those seemingly simple four 5572 04:35:44.840 --> 04:35:48.279 abilities can I won't put them on the same level 5573 04:35:48.319 --> 04:35:50.119 as the Zone ieabilities Tiers of the Kingdom, but I 5574 04:35:50.200 --> 04:35:54.000 do think they they're less like tires the Kingdom. Those 5575 04:35:54.159 --> 04:35:59.080 the zone iabilities were kind of like superpower ass shit, 5576 04:35:59.400 --> 04:36:00.159 which is great. 5577 04:36:00.119 --> 04:36:00.479 Kind of mess. 5578 04:36:02.880 --> 04:36:05.319 There's more you could do, but it did require a 5579 04:36:05.360 --> 04:36:07.759 little more kind of like fiddling and stuff like that. 5580 04:36:07.959 --> 04:36:10.240 Or it's like Breath the wild. Yeah, I don't like 5581 04:36:10.319 --> 04:36:13.000 the powers as much as Here's the Kingdom, but I 5582 04:36:13.159 --> 04:36:14.799 like the fact that I'm not constantly trying like, okay, 5583 04:36:14.840 --> 04:36:16.360 let me rotate this the right way and stick it 5584 04:36:16.439 --> 04:36:16.799 over here. 5585 04:36:17.000 --> 04:36:22.040 And you know, also, oh my god, there, that's like 5586 04:36:22.119 --> 04:36:25.520 my favorite game to watch. Like GDC talks about where 5587 04:36:25.520 --> 04:36:27.599 they're like, oh, here's how we set up. No matter 5588 04:36:27.680 --> 04:36:30.200 where you are in the world, there's always going to 5589 04:36:30.240 --> 04:36:33.000 be the triangle rule, which is we want something in 5590 04:36:33.080 --> 04:36:35.560 the foreground to show you the scale. We want something 5591 04:36:35.599 --> 04:36:36.880 in the back to show you what you. 5592 04:36:36.919 --> 04:36:41.919 Can climb around, go around this for but also keep 5593 04:36:41.919 --> 04:36:44.639 in mind you can climb basically anything in this game, 5594 04:36:45.119 --> 04:36:47.240 so we also want you to consider whether it's worth 5595 04:36:47.279 --> 04:36:51.360 going over something. But then it might rain and then 5596 04:36:51.439 --> 04:36:54.400 you're slipping, and then there's always those like hair like 5597 04:36:55.000 --> 04:36:56.479 skin of your teeth and get. 5598 04:36:56.360 --> 04:36:58.840 Over the edge, like just keep pressing the analystic forward 5599 04:36:58.919 --> 04:37:00.840 just or do I do it that last. 5600 04:37:00.840 --> 04:37:02.840 Jump with the B button that will then send me 5601 04:37:02.880 --> 04:37:06.040 to my death if I funk up, or just the 5602 04:37:06.240 --> 04:37:08.319 little flutters of a flute. 5603 04:37:08.240 --> 04:37:10.680 The music in that game, the way it plays organically 5604 04:37:10.799 --> 04:37:13.279 into like when a breeze hits the trees. Oh my god. 5605 04:37:13.520 --> 04:37:18.599 Yeah, we could talk forever about it. I just wanted 5606 04:37:18.639 --> 04:37:19.680 to at least be like, well. 5607 04:37:19.599 --> 04:37:22.240 You have to keep talking about it, because if Breath 5608 04:37:22.319 --> 04:37:25.479 of the Wild is winning over linked to the Past, 5609 04:37:25.680 --> 04:37:31.000 then our final matchup is fuck Solid three Snake Eater 5610 04:37:31.159 --> 04:37:33.560 versus Legends and Breath of the Wild. 5611 04:37:33.919 --> 04:37:36.799 I thought we were yeah, sorry, I thought we were. 5612 04:37:36.959 --> 04:37:39.240 That was that was the top four. 5613 04:37:41.400 --> 04:37:44.439 Yeah, so now it's two two and I'm fully I 5614 04:37:44.520 --> 04:37:45.400 think the Wild. 5615 04:37:45.680 --> 04:37:50.560 Yeah sorry, I thought we were done with the episode. 5616 04:37:50.599 --> 04:37:51.319 I was like, let's just. 5617 04:37:53.279 --> 04:37:56.319 Now it's it's Breath of the Wild versus Snake Ear, Yeah, 5618 04:37:56.720 --> 04:37:57.799 which is a cool matchup. 5619 04:37:57.840 --> 04:38:00.639 That's a really good matchup, but also like love it. Yeah, 5620 04:38:01.840 --> 04:38:08.439 it's it's breath the while, it's bread Yeah, yep, yep. Terrytown. 5621 04:38:08.479 --> 04:38:11.240 You're building up the village and like each person brings 5622 04:38:11.279 --> 04:38:13.599 their instrument, which is a very good ode to the 5623 04:38:13.680 --> 04:38:16.680 series past, where the central conceit of every game was 5624 04:38:16.720 --> 04:38:17.200 an instrument. 5625 04:38:17.240 --> 04:38:19.000 He was playing to manipulate ship. 5626 04:38:21.360 --> 04:38:22.720 There's just a million, dude. 5627 04:38:22.720 --> 04:38:26.360 The moment you see the giant maze in the distance 5628 04:38:26.439 --> 04:38:27.599 and you're like, I wonder if like. 5629 04:38:28.240 --> 04:38:32.479 Several four right, yeah, and the Lost Wood stuff. 5630 04:38:34.200 --> 04:38:38.520 Psycho all the times, just a random fucking Bocablan camp 5631 04:38:38.639 --> 04:38:40.360 and you're just fucking I wonder if I can roll 5632 04:38:40.439 --> 04:38:41.319 this bomb down here? 5633 04:38:41.400 --> 04:38:43.840 And then like man, I guess you can. Yeah. 5634 04:38:44.479 --> 04:38:45.439 Game, what a game? 5635 04:38:46.040 --> 04:38:49.000 I like as send in Tears of the Kingdom, I 5636 04:38:49.279 --> 04:38:56.279 like Ultra hand m hmm, I like what is the 5637 04:38:56.439 --> 04:38:59.000 I know there's fuse. Fuse is the one. Fuse is 5638 04:38:59.040 --> 04:39:01.040 the one I went back to Breath of the Wild. 5639 04:39:01.439 --> 04:39:03.799 Not being able to combine all those items into weapons 5640 04:39:03.959 --> 04:39:06.119 is the one I do miss when I come back 5641 04:39:06.159 --> 04:39:07.040 from Tiers of the Kingdom. 5642 04:39:07.720 --> 04:39:10.040 What's the fourth zone? I ability I'm missing. 5643 04:39:10.200 --> 04:39:14.360 Oh, reverse time, which actually becomes like the really overpowered one. 5644 04:39:14.319 --> 04:39:16.840 If you know how to use it. But yeah, sure, yeah, 5645 04:39:16.959 --> 04:39:17.840 Breath of the Wild is just. 5646 04:39:19.680 --> 04:39:23.240 Yeah, I think I've still seen only like thirty five 5647 04:39:23.319 --> 04:39:26.000 percent of that game. That's probably under selling it. Fifty 5648 04:39:26.040 --> 04:39:28.279 five percent of that game. There's a lot in that game. 5649 04:39:29.159 --> 04:39:30.319 Yeah, I'll never forget. 5650 04:39:30.360 --> 04:39:33.680 I was with Bianca and I was I got the 5651 04:39:33.759 --> 04:39:36.159 Switch and Breath the Wild a few weeks before it 5652 04:39:36.200 --> 04:39:37.639 came out, and I was playing it. It's one of 5653 04:39:37.680 --> 04:39:39.639 those things where I'm losing my mind playing it, and 5654 04:39:39.680 --> 04:39:42.159 I'm wondering, like I need to talk to someone who's 5655 04:39:42.200 --> 04:39:45.200 been playing this, and uh, you know my message friends 5656 04:39:45.279 --> 04:39:46.040 and stuff are is this? 5657 04:39:46.360 --> 04:39:47.639 This is like one of the best games of all time? 5658 04:39:47.720 --> 04:39:48.759 Right? You see this? 5659 04:39:48.799 --> 04:39:49.840 Did you see this? Holy shit? 5660 04:39:50.319 --> 04:39:52.439 Even Tight Island all that stuff and Bonk and I 5661 04:39:52.599 --> 04:39:54.479 went out like while I was halfway through the game 5662 04:39:55.040 --> 04:39:57.240 to some Greek plays and we were just in the 5663 04:39:57.279 --> 04:39:58.759 middle of eating and she was like, oh, yeah, so 5664 04:39:59.080 --> 04:40:01.919 how was Zelda? And I found myself just ranting and 5665 04:40:02.040 --> 04:40:04.560 raving about like how fucking incredible this was? And I 5666 04:40:04.599 --> 04:40:08.200 found myself tearing up and thinking like I did not 5667 04:40:08.479 --> 04:40:12.000 know video games could still make me feel this magic. 5668 04:40:12.040 --> 04:40:14.400 I mean, I still love video games, but like that 5669 04:40:14.799 --> 04:40:17.959 level of magic of like how open this world is 5670 04:40:18.000 --> 04:40:22.919 and the possibilities and exploration and rewarding you for trying things. 5671 04:40:23.000 --> 04:40:25.080 And I just couldn't stop talking about it. I felt 5672 04:40:25.119 --> 04:40:27.479 myself getting emotional. It's like, holy shit, I've been talking 5673 04:40:27.479 --> 04:40:30.720 about video games my higher life and I can't tell you, 5674 04:40:30.759 --> 04:40:33.840 as an adult that I've ever felt that emotional just 5675 04:40:33.880 --> 04:40:35.119 being like this is magic. 5676 04:40:35.360 --> 04:40:37.840 I think there's an assumption like every I think there's 5677 04:40:37.840 --> 04:40:41.119 an assumption at any age, but especially like when you've 5678 04:40:41.159 --> 04:40:43.240 seen played as many video games as all three of 5679 04:40:43.360 --> 04:40:46.759 us have individually and collectively, you've played the best game. 5680 04:40:46.639 --> 04:40:49.959 You're ever going to play. But for that child's a 5681 04:40:50.000 --> 04:40:51.159 feeling again, for that's. 5682 04:40:51.040 --> 04:40:54.919 Come along in twenty seventeen, and I kind of know 5683 04:40:55.080 --> 04:40:58.560 it fifty hours in. Honestly, Like the farther I get 5684 04:40:58.599 --> 04:41:00.319 from that game, the more I'm like, yeah, those feelings 5685 04:41:00.319 --> 04:41:03.439 were all correct. It's that's crazy. And also, speaking of 5686 04:41:03.479 --> 04:41:06.560 the Witcher three doing things that, like a lot of games, 5687 04:41:06.599 --> 04:41:09.279 have been trying. Breath of the Wild makes the Witcher 5688 04:41:09.360 --> 04:41:13.240 three look like fucking intro course, like, thank you. So 5689 04:41:13.439 --> 04:41:16.240 many games had been trying open worlds had been trying 5690 04:41:16.360 --> 04:41:19.840 immersies and elements had been trying it, just like I don't, 5691 04:41:19.919 --> 04:41:21.439 I truly don't know how it was done. 5692 04:41:21.560 --> 04:41:24.200 It doesn't change that it beat Metal Gear Solid in 5693 04:41:24.319 --> 04:41:27.880 the first round of our game deliberation. 5694 04:41:28.000 --> 04:41:28.159 Yeah. 5695 04:41:29.119 --> 04:41:31.560 Yeah, but hey, everything worked out in the end, didn't it. 5696 04:41:31.599 --> 04:41:34.919 It did work out in the end. So uh, fire 5697 04:41:35.080 --> 04:41:38.680 Escape's best game of all time is Legend of Zelda 5698 04:41:38.919 --> 04:41:41.360 Breath of the Wild. Your job, everybody. 5699 04:41:42.479 --> 04:41:44.680 In like a month, it'll be eight years old, right, 5700 04:41:44.880 --> 04:41:49.319 March twenty twenty seventeen. Wow, yeah, I think it was March. 5701 04:41:49.880 --> 04:41:52.279 Yeah, it was March twenty seventeen. 5702 04:41:51.959 --> 04:41:54.279 Because Horizon was February. 5703 04:41:56.360 --> 04:41:59.479 No, Horizon was like two weeks before the first Zero 5704 04:42:00.240 --> 04:42:02.360 Dawn was two weeks before it was Forbidden West. 5705 04:42:02.360 --> 04:42:04.240 There was like a month before Tiers at Kingdom. 5706 04:42:04.759 --> 04:42:07.040 Oh, it was right for elden Ring. It was right 5707 04:42:07.080 --> 04:42:11.319 for elden Ring, correct, Yes, yeah, yeah, yeah, yep. Another 5708 04:42:12.319 --> 04:42:14.200 really something special yep. 5709 04:42:14.840 --> 04:42:18.159 Uh And on a even in twenty seventeen, a pretty 5710 04:42:18.240 --> 04:42:20.479 underpowered console, no less like when you go into the 5711 04:42:20.520 --> 04:42:21.000 Lost Woods. 5712 04:42:21.040 --> 04:42:25.479 It was a launch game and it was underpowered. Yeah. Yeah, man, 5713 04:42:26.439 --> 04:42:29.520 imagine the tea. What a game. Yep. 5714 04:42:31.200 --> 04:42:35.720 Well, wonderful to have one hundred episodes with you guys. 5715 04:42:36.200 --> 04:42:38.520 Congratulations for one hundred episodes. 5716 04:42:39.319 --> 04:42:43.919 Yeah, four four years ago now April twenty twenty one. 5717 04:42:44.880 --> 04:42:48.119 On four years Wow, will always be like, we're going 5718 04:42:48.159 --> 04:42:50.360 to start a podcast and they do three or four episodes, 5719 04:42:50.360 --> 04:42:51.840 then then they stopt us. 5720 04:42:52.040 --> 04:42:54.159 I said that to Amanda tonight and we were making dinner. 5721 04:42:54.919 --> 04:42:57.159 H're recording this on a like a Sunday night, and 5722 04:42:57.240 --> 04:43:00.560 I was like, I was like, as much as like 5723 04:43:03.959 --> 04:43:05.919 when I first met her, she's you know, there's there's 5724 04:43:05.959 --> 04:43:08.479 a joke that's like, oh, every fucking every guy has 5725 04:43:08.520 --> 04:43:10.880 a podcast, And I was like, I held off for 5726 04:43:11.000 --> 04:43:14.080 like six dates telling her it wasn't sick. She discovered 5727 04:43:14.119 --> 04:43:15.919 it before that, but I was like, I'm not going 5728 04:43:16.000 --> 04:43:17.439 to tell around our an early date that I have 5729 04:43:17.520 --> 04:43:22.040 a podcast because every fucking guy does and it's probably 5730 04:43:22.080 --> 04:43:23.560 not just guys, but like, I think, I know that's 5731 04:43:23.680 --> 04:43:24.759 like the meme kind of thing. 5732 04:43:25.479 --> 04:43:28.759 And then tonight, at that time, it was like pandemic times. 5733 04:43:29.000 --> 04:43:32.279 Yeah, that's the only way you could talk to people 5734 04:43:32.439 --> 04:43:34.919 right too, and I think, actually it is how we 5735 04:43:35.040 --> 04:43:37.639 talk to each other and like still communicate and spend 5736 04:43:37.720 --> 04:43:40.599 time together, so it does do those things well. 5737 04:43:40.720 --> 04:43:43.000 Tonight at dinner, I was like, I was like to 5738 04:43:43.159 --> 04:43:46.000 be to be completely honest, I was like, oh, okay, 5739 04:43:46.080 --> 04:43:48.000 it's Sunday. It's like I got some other things I 5740 04:43:48.000 --> 04:43:50.479 gotta worry about tomorrow. I was like, ah, we gotta 5741 04:43:50.520 --> 04:43:52.479 do this best game of all time recording tonight. And 5742 04:43:52.520 --> 04:43:54.159 then like as I started thinking about it more, I 5743 04:43:54.240 --> 04:43:57.040 was like Jesus Christ one hundred episodes, Like I could 5744 04:43:57.080 --> 04:43:59.119 I commit to stuff pretty easily in my life, but 5745 04:43:59.240 --> 04:44:03.639 like this four years is like it has flown like 5746 04:44:04.000 --> 04:44:07.279 and I it, Yeah, I don't know. I never once 5747 04:44:07.360 --> 04:44:09.279 doubted that we would get far into it, but it's 5748 04:44:09.360 --> 04:44:12.639 like it it hit me today how much of like 5749 04:44:12.759 --> 04:44:15.200 a commitment it has been, because like there's been. 5750 04:44:15.159 --> 04:44:18.880 Times we were all really, I guess we will record 5751 04:44:18.919 --> 04:44:22.599 this before I fly across the world in like eight hours. 5752 04:44:22.479 --> 04:44:25.959 But like surgeries and yeah, all sorts of just like 5753 04:44:26.880 --> 04:44:27.799 yea GODI. 5754 04:44:27.680 --> 04:44:30.599 Was a race to the finish last year, like finding 5755 04:44:30.799 --> 04:44:33.200 with all of our busy schedules. So but we make 5756 04:44:33.240 --> 04:44:35.599 it work. And I'm like that we have it. 5757 04:44:36.159 --> 04:44:38.959 Yeah, yes, maybe occasionally have to get a substitute or something, 5758 04:44:39.000 --> 04:44:39.799 but like now we're. 5759 04:44:39.720 --> 04:44:43.200 Not episode No, it's been wonderful. I love you too, 5760 04:44:43.479 --> 04:44:45.880 love all our listeners for being with us for a 5761 04:44:46.040 --> 04:44:50.599 hundred episodes. We'll be back to our normal as scheduled 5762 04:44:51.840 --> 04:44:55.599 programming next episode one hundred and one. We're into the 5763 04:44:55.639 --> 04:44:59.439 triple digits now officially politics. Now, yeah, it's all politics. 5764 04:44:59.439 --> 04:45:02.000 So we'll talk about the tariffs, we'll talk about we'll 5765 04:45:02.040 --> 04:45:05.400 talk about potential for partnerships with various countries, and we'll 5766 04:45:05.479 --> 04:45:08.799 kind of theory craft different trade agreements in the coming 5767 04:45:08.840 --> 04:45:10.119 trade why it will be great Greenland. 5768 04:45:10.200 --> 04:45:11.759 We've got a lot of thoughts on Greenland. I'm geting 5769 04:45:11.759 --> 04:45:12.360 my notes together. 5770 04:45:12.479 --> 04:45:14.959 We're pretty sure if Xi Jinping just plays Breath of 5771 04:45:15.040 --> 04:45:16.959 the Wild, then he might come around on a bunch 5772 04:45:17.000 --> 04:45:18.000 of American ideas. 5773 04:45:18.080 --> 04:45:20.240 We'll see, even though it's not an American game. We'll 5774 04:45:20.319 --> 04:45:21.200 just tell him we made it. 5775 04:45:23.119 --> 04:45:27.360 Yeah, we'll be back in two weeks and we'll be 5776 04:45:27.439 --> 04:45:31.400 talking about some modern new games. I'm sure a lot 5777 04:45:31.479 --> 04:45:32.159 of actually. 5778 04:45:32.119 --> 04:45:34.000 Fun ton of games we could be talking about next episodes. 5779 04:45:34.040 --> 04:45:38.319 That'll be fun. All right, Well, thank you as always everybody, 5780 04:45:38.479 --> 04:45:39.520 Thank you Mary, thank you Dan. 5781 04:45:40.880 --> 04:45:43.000 We'll be back in episode one oh one. 5782 04:45:43.720 --> 04:45:44.880 Thanks for listening, guys. 5783 04:45:45.599 --> 04:45:46.319 Thanks everyone,