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Speaker 1: Hey, y'all, welcome in to Clips and Dip. As you'll

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probably notice, no Charles Mockley today, just me and Adam

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bringing you the good Clippers news. And we got some

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good news today. Clippers off their best win of the

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season over the Cavs one point one nineteen. We're going

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to talk about that. We talk about the Clippers taking

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on the Grizzlies as they have a slate of difficult

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games coming up, and uh yeah, whatever else we get into.

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So yeah, kicking things off, Adam, how you doing today,

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my man? How's it going. How are you feeling? Basking

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in this victory?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, the afterglow is nice right now. It's it's feeling

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pretty good. It feels like the type of victory we

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were looking for for a while. It's not every game

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you played the Cleveland Cavaliers and you can say it's

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the best victory so far this season. It's the best

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game played at into a dome. It felt like there

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were some high stakes going on the way the teams

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were matching up and the mismatch hunt that was going on.

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It seemed like everything was a little bit elevated in

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that ball game. For the Clippers to come out on

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top and prove that, Okay, they do have some potential

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to play with the big boys when they're fully healthy.

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Speaker 3: That was big.

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Speaker 1: Well, you talked about the Clippers on top, you talked

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about some possible future implications. Was something perhaps conceived out

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of out of this game?

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Speaker 2: Well, it was a visa Zubats's birthday, so I would

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say so you could say Chris Dudds as well.

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Speaker 3: I would not be shocked.

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Speaker 2: I hope something happened a few weeks ago, because they

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won seven of eight. Now, you know that's true. We've

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been turning a corner. But that was the best Kawhi

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Leonard has looked all season long. And I don't think

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it's some coincidence that he played that well and had

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that much pop and burst out there.

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Speaker 1: It was also a lot of guys at once, you

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know what I mean, Like I feel, I feel like

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we you know, we've gotten a few isolated, really good

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Kawhi games. One thing that this team has struggled with

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all year is like everybody kind of hitting on all cylinders.

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You know, we've had the same things where we've had

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some like exceptional individual James Harden games. We've certainly dropped

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some individually exceptional and Viza Zubots games, but this one

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just kind of really felt like it it fully coalesced

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and came and sort of all came together.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I mean, for them to put up one point thirty

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on a pretty good defense, they had to be connected.

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And I really felt like they met the challenge in

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the first half because we were just mentioning it off air,

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but it felt like at one point in the first

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quarter they could lose this game and the Cavs could

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be running away with this thing. They were up by

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double dishits in the first quarter and they weren't missing,

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so the Clippers couldn't get stops, and it looked like

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they said, well, the pressure is on for us to

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have to knock down shots because our defense isn't good

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enough right now.

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Speaker 3: And they hit twelve threes in the first half, and.

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Speaker 1: They're what better than fifty percent from three? At one point?

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, they were.

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Speaker 2: They hit five straight to start the second quarter. I

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believe Kawhi hit two of them. He had a step

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back three going like I just think that was a

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really big moment for them offensively to know that we

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can't just hang our hat on our defense. Actually right now,

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we're not getting stuffed. The only way we're hanging in

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this ball game is if we actually execute very well

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on the offensive end.

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Speaker 3: And they did.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it was. It was great to see them win.

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I like, I'm glad that you bring up the one

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thirty two because I feel like they won in an

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unexpected way too, like having to execute at a higher

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level offensively, and even in a game where you know,

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Norm Powell looked certainly pretty mortal in this one, which

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was definitely combated by Bogie, who's on such a hot

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streak right now. What do you think he brings to

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this team? I mean it, you know, certainly started a

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little up and down. It's now very much in the up.

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I mean this has been a continued things. He's upped

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his overall season percentage in his time with the Clippers.

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But what do you think having like an other ball handler,

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a guy who can take some pressure off because in

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the stretch, like down the stretch of this game, he

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was kind of handling a lot of the ball handling

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duties with Kawhi Leonard and James Harden, even being off

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ball to Bogey.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that was a really special performance from him, and

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credit b Shaw for having that conversation with H. Norman

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Powell and letting him know that you know, next time

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it'll be your night. But right now it's Bogey ball time.

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Speaker 3: He's too hot.

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Speaker 2: He goes eight of eight in the ballgame, and the

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way he distributed in that fourth quarter. He had a

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great play where he entered the teeth of the defense

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and was waiting for a Viatza Zubas to flash to

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the basket and then found him on a little pick

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and roll to get him going. As Zoo had six

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of his twenty eight in the fourth and they were

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all big shots.

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Speaker 3: But Bogey he.

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Speaker 2: Was hitting really tough shots. It wasn't like he was

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getting a bunch of layups or anything like that. Man,

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I'm not surprised. I've been high on him and I

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think he's a big game player. I think this is

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what he can do for you. I think he can

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swing a playoff series. I think he's that good, especially

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because you see what he can do with the basketball

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in his hands too. He's not just some spot up

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shooter out there or a sniper that you know, if

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he's hot, great, but if he's not, what else does

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Speaker 3: He's not Luke Canard.

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Speaker 2: That's not who he is he as a player, So

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and that's no disrespect to Luke. I mean, he was

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a three point percentage champion one season. I think he

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shot forty six percent. But Bogan just has a more

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well rounded game than I think people realize. And that's

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a lot of people are starting to call him the

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X factor. When he plays well, how do you beat

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this team? I don't know if he's gonna play that

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well that often, but uh, I was encouraged that it

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happened last night against Cleveland. It seemed like, I don't know,

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he just raised his level of play like everybody else.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, and I mean you mentioned the shot making. It

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was difficult in particular. I'm thinking of like the step back,

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fadeaway three that he hit in front of the Clippers

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bench when everybody went sort of insane. But I think

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that I had been you know, I knew him coming

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to this team he was going to offer another ball handler,

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something that we have kind of been lacking. I think

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to be like this every night. This was, you know,

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a perfect Boga game. But him being able to bring

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that sort of versatility to the lineup is an interesting

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look that I hadn't thought about, and it certainly starts

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to make things more interesting. And I'm not saying that

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he'll be in the starting lineup barring and injuries, but like,

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like the Chris Dunn and djj if at all, and

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where and what they fit into this starting lineup, and

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then you have this extra wrinkle, which again I'm not

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advocating for him being in the starting lineup, but it

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certainly makes more machinations around him, James Hard and Kawhi

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Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, that's a really good point. Their depth,

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well it is. It is a good thing. It can't

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present some interesting discussions. I think, you know, it just

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could be what do they need? Do you need offense

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offense because their defense wasn't stopping him anyways, and so

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they leaned on Boge and he was hot. But yeah,

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many mouths to feed on this team. How to keep

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everybody in rhythm, how to keep everybody involved. But you

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did get sacrificed from Norman Powells I mentioned last night,

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and if guys are willing to do that, we know

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DJ and Derek Jones Junior are.

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Speaker 1: I mean you got sacrifice from Chris Dunn in that

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one too. He played just seventeen minutes in that win.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he got in a foul trouble.

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Speaker 2: He has some tough calls go against him. But the

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optionality of this team when by quite a lot. I

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think post trade deadline with Bogie and Ben Simmons, they

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both give you something completely different, different dimension the Clippers

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did not have before. So it's just figuring out when

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to push that button or when to pull that lever

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to bring in that guy at the right time. But

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last night Bishaw has been doing a really good job

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I'm glad that you bring up Shaw as well,

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because yet another game missing tylu lower back things still,

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but no Van Gundy in this one either. Do you

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a little bit of I don't I don't know if

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you can call it just like a lack of cohesion

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on the defensive end, or I mean the CAFs were

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just knocking down shots. They were also shooting above fifty

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from three at one point. I think they ended the

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night around thirty thirty five thirty four percent. But they

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were also having some insane shot making go in this one.

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Speaker 2: I thought they were so poling in a well oiled

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machine their offense in the first half. The Cleveland Cavaliers,

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I thought it was really impressive watching them work because

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you talk about weaknesses and matchups and what you should

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pick at, and teams don't stick to that often enough.

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Speaker 3: There isn't that game plan.

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Speaker 2: Discipline, whereas the Calves last night said we're going at

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James Harden like every time down. We're putting him in

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the action every day time. And so the defense kind

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of broke down from there. They get past James, then

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a Visa Zubats has to step up and help, and

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now they're in rotation and they kept making the right

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pass and finding the right guy, and Max Struz I

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think had a season high with those twenty four points,

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and it was a DeAndre Hunter. He goes he started

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like six of six, and even though they're Big four,

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they had off nights overall, and I think the Clippers

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defense does deserve to get credit there, especially late. They

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were really good, holding them to seventeen points in the

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fourth quarter when they were trying to turn it all

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and Donovan Mitchell, you know, was going downhill.

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Speaker 2: But that first half man the Cavaliers, I couldn't say

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enough about just the way they were attacking. But then

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by the end of the first half, the Clippers started

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doing it to them, and they started going after Garland

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Speaker 1: Do you think that this was like do you think

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because watching this game, I thought that this might have

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been the most effectively this team has hunted sort of

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the matchups that they wanted offensively, because I know that's

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been a big issue for the team all year long,

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especially a criticism from the fans. You know, there's too

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much io ball, you know, there's not enough ball movement.

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was an isolation possession, they did a really good job

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of getting the matchup that they wanted first. And I

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thought that they were hunting in this one against Like

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you said, not a terrible defense, I mean a good

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a good defense in the Cleveland Cavaliers.

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Speaker 2: I think they were like defensive rating coming into that

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game yesterday and had been trending in the right direction there.

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Like they took that initial punch and then countered. It

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seemed like they were dealing with some culture shock right away.

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Oh this is what a great elite team looks like.

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like that, and the Clippers were just hot and they weren't.

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Speaker 3: They played a team.

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Speaker 2: They got their best shot against the Cleveland Cavaliers, and

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they met them and then exceeded them with the way

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they played down the stretch, but only being down by

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five at the half, with how well the Calves had started,

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I thought the Clippers really stepped up to meet the challenge,

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and just when the pressure was on for them to

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make shots, because otherwise you're going to be down fifteen

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in a hurry, they did. I think that was telling.

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I thought it showed something last night from this team,

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and yeah, they definitely did some match up hunting themselves

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and they looked pretty well organized out there. You put

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up one hundred and thirty plus points, it's not easy

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to do, so I'm with you on that.

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Speaker 1: So we gave Bogan his flowers. We haven't yet talked

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about the birthday boy. Enough of eatsa zobots in this

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one eighteen field goal attests, Adam, what's the line for

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field goal attempts when you can about pencil.

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Speaker 4: In a Clippers victory? Do you think at this point

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with the pizzazu bots?

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Speaker 1: Is it twelve fifteen?

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Speaker 3: Like the floor of what he needs to be at.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So somebody asked me this recently and they said,

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win win healthy, win fully healthy. How many shot attempts

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are you going to get?

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Speaker 3: And I felt like.

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Speaker 2: He should average at least fourteen now fully healthy. That's

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not easy, as we mentioned, especially with Bogey as sending

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the way he is. But there's just a level of

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physicality that Avista Zubos brings that I think has a

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real cumulative effect out there, with the way he showed

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himself last night being able to take down the best

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front line in the NBA. His twenty eight and twenty

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was better than the combined stats from Evan Mobley and

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Jared Allen. That was just exceptional. And he made it

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look he made them look small at times, and I

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don't expect that, like they look downright small, and he

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looked like Shaq Zoo or zoo Shack or whatever people

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want to call him at times. He looked that dominant

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out there. So I think he does need to be

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a staple of the offense always, and that means quarter

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to Quorter, not forgetting about him. I don't care if

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he's not playing well early. I don't care if it

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looks like he's moping out there upset about a call

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at times. You have to continue to feature him throughout

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the ballgame because it's like a you know, a running

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back that's only getting two yards per carry in the

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first half or three yards, but it wears down the

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defense and then by the fourth quarter he's ripping off

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some long runs. It just seems like if Visas Zubas

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can lean on a defense a little bit and then

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punish them late, and the floodgates kind of opened where

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he had those six points that were really crucial in

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the fourth quarter, Like they haven't had I mentioned this

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last night, but how many times will we talked about

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they do it the hard way?

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Speaker 1: Like, oh yeah, absolutely, I mean that that's the flip side,

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right of hunting matchups. Some of ISO ball is like

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you're you're putting up the hardest shot on the floor

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pretty consistently, and especially sometimes when it's not even the three,

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it is really difficult. So I do see and I

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think that his teammates are starting to see him as

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like this release valve as well in that obviously they

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can they can plug the ball to him down low,

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but if the matchup that he wants isn't there or

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he can't get the shot, He's evolved enough in his

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game now to where he can be a little bit

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more patient, he can look for another teammate to pass to,

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he can use a little bit of his footwork to

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try to make a little bit of space. I just

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feel like there's a lot more tools in his arsenal

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and we kind of saw that more on full display.

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But we have to talk about the other end of

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the floor too, because twenty rebounds is insane. The entire

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Cleveland Cavaliers team only had twenty nine rebounds as a team,

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and that's been an issue for them all year long,

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which I don't fully understand given sort of the front

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court rotation and some of the size that they have.

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What were you seeing out there? How was Zoo able

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to pull down these monster boards?

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Speaker 2: I think at times I heard this from I think

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of Cleveland. I think I was listening to Lockdown Calvs

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or something earlier. Somebody was talking about the Cavaliers not

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having their smalls rebound well enough because the big guys

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are having to account for the other big guys. In

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this case, if he's a Zubos and you know, if

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he's not getting them, he's at least taking those guys

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away from getting those Borges at times, and then it

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comes down to the smalls getting rebounds out there. But

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I don't know he was he was so aggressive out there.

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Some of it's because there were so many made shots

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in the game there's less rebounds to be had, I guess,

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But yeah, I didn't realize that they had an issue

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in the rebounding department, even with those two guys.

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Speaker 3: That's kind of strange.

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Speaker 2: But Zubas was just the biggest player on the floor

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in many ways, like he just he played up to

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his size. It wasn't just that technically, specs wise, he's

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the biggest guy out there, but he played huge And

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I thought that in one he had where he flexed

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late in the ballgame that might have been off of

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Kawhi Leonard miss. I know he missed a jumper late

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and Zubas put it back in, but it was good

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to see him, you know, play with that level of passion.

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I never really worry about Zubots getting up for big

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games too, Like this is another twenty twenty game against

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the premiere front court. He's done it against AD, He's

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done it against Triple J, He's done it against Wemby.

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Speaker 3: That's not nothing.

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Speaker 1: He's circling these matchups. Like I firmly believe that zoo

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is I think really like sense that the disrespectful trade

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from the Lakers. He is a guy who takes these

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sort of matchups against other you know, elite centers very seriously. Yeah,

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on a personal level, and I and he took that personally.

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Speaker 2: I can't say enough like he's he is one of

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the easiest guys to root for as a clipper. Ever,

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I just love a visa Zoobots and his work ethic

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and everything. Postgame, he was asked about someone says something

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to the effect of like, how do you feel about scoring.

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Speaker 3: So much now? And he's like, it's great.

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Speaker 2: Like everybody on yeah, coming into the league, this is

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kind of what everybody wants to do.

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Speaker 3: You end up having to do other things because.

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Speaker 2: You're not in the pecking order high enough up in it.

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But now that's completely changed for the better for the Clippers.

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Speaker 1: And he got was getting a lot of love on

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the internet last night, notably from Terrence Man who sung

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his praises. Patrick Beverley as well, who has long been

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a champion of Avitza Zoo bots by the way, and

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I really liked Kawhi was kind of asked about it postgame,

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and he talked about Zoo's growth and enabling He said,

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you know, how much more efficient he's gotten in mismatches

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against smaller guys, and how much better the hook has gotten,

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and just how much more patient he is with the

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ball in his hands. He said, Like the way Kawhi

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talked about it is that it's kind of like there's

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it's not a selfish mentality necessarily, but like when you

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don't get a lot of touches, you get the ball

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in your hands, and you feel this immense sort of

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pressure to score, and I think zoo like, while he

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is capable of doing that, understands the game now at

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a different level, or sees things a little bit slowly,

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where like if the media opportunity to score isn't there,

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he can do all of these other things on the floor.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I thought that was a really cool comment too,

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and kind of spoke to oh, this is why young

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guys tend to be good individual players sometimes and put

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up stats, but maybe it doesn't translate to their team

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winning because they're reading the game through a very small

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lens instead of being able to see everything out there. Like,

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just because you have the ball in your hands doesn't

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mean the best play for your team is to score

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right now, but because if you're getting the ball less,

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you may feel like I need to get my numbers,

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I need to get my shots up.

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Speaker 3: Now's my time.

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Speaker 2: So yeah, that patience from a Viza Zubos pretty cool. Well,

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I still feel like he could have been doing this

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last year. He could have been doing this year before.

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He just needed to get the actual reps.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, for sure. More but I want to say too,

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like I don't think that. I'm not saying that. I

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think of Vitza Zubas was like selfish. I just think

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it's a thing of like you feel the pressure of,

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like you know, when you get the ball offensively, like

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in your head, like that's what you're expected to do,

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like you know, when really there's so many more aspects

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to your game and helping your team, which I think

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he's he's hit a great stride in. But let's he

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back to the defensive end of the floor. What were

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you seeing from Kawhi Leonard arguably his best game of

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the season. What did you think about him on the

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defensive side of the floor, Because we talked about how

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that's you know, that's one of the meter sticks to

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gauge where Kawhi Leonard is at from a health and

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confidence in his body perspective is on that end of

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the floor.

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Speaker 2: Now, Yeah, he's looked good to me since the Atlanta game,

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So really the last three games it seems like he's

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finding his footing defensively. The Atlanta game stood out to me,

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and then yesterday he was on Donovan Mitchell I think

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to start, and he got plenty of time on him.

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Speaker 3: He had a bad game.

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Speaker 2: He's getting more steals, and he's getting more of those

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you know, crafty basketball plays where he ends up in

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the right place at the right time, even though he

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could have easily been out of position, but he knows

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where the flow of the ball is heading to and

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he ends up taking away a pass that way. Like

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those natural instincts are really kicking in for.

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Speaker 3: Kawhi right now.

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Speaker 2: I thought, I thought he looked good on that end

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for the third straight game. And the bounce, the pop overall,

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that's that's even though he didn't have a dunk, even

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though he didn't really get to the rim much, he

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had like a spinning floater and like a push shot

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early in the game. But to me, that's probably why

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it was his best game to me, because he got

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back to his bread and butter in the mid range

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and he's hitting shots that are just unguardable.

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Speaker 3: There's nothing you can do about it.

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Speaker 2: The spin move to the fallaway on Evan Mobley at

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the end of the game on the far side baseline,

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just what do you gotta do?

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Speaker 1: Mobley was the like he was the unfortunate receiver of

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a couple of highlight plays over him, and I say, unfortunately,

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because it's only notable because he is a good defender.

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Is is like why these are so notable? Him and

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James Harden had one as well, five of six from

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three for Kawhia, Like, where do you see the dispersal

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of his shots? I mean, we've talked about this a

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little bit, but his mid range was weirdly the thing

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that wasn't.

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Speaker 4: Working there for kind of a while.

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Speaker 1: Do you think do you think that he's at a

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stage of his game where he should be maybe considering

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like a different sort of dispersion of his shot profile

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or just continue to or this was just the way

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the game came to him in this one.

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Speaker 2: So and listen to what he said Sunday night after

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the Horness game. He kind of confirmed something I was

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thinking that the reason he hasn't looked as sharp as

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he typically does around this time during the ramp up

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process when he comes back from an injury is because

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he can't train the same way. He can't do that

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hard work that he used to that he is known

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for being one of the hardest works workers.

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Speaker 3: So he just has to get the in game.

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Speaker 2: Reps, which is totally different obviously, to get his timing

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he's figuring it out on the fly in games instead

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of getting some of that timing just by doing really

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hard training sessions. But because of the right knee and

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the mercurial nature of the swelling, you can't push things

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too far, I think, And he said something to the

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degree of, you know, I'd rather be available more than

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be more efficient or whatever, like just being out there.

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So I kind of rationalized it as, Okay, maybe he's

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not at a nine or ten, but he's available more,

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and he's still at a seven or eight, and he

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looks really good now. Last night I'd say he was

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at a ten. So I do think at some point

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he'll get enough of the in game reps to make

478
00:23:48,920 --> 00:23:51,799
up for the lack of training. And maybe we're starting

479
00:23:51,839 --> 00:23:53,799
to get there now because last night I think it

480
00:23:53,839 --> 00:23:57,720
was game twenty six for him, and he just looked spectacular.

481
00:23:57,960 --> 00:23:59,799
But also it was just it was a big game

482
00:24:00,000 --> 00:24:01,880
and you could tell there was a different level of focus.

483
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,839
And Kauhi always downsplays the fact that when people have

484
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:08,440
asked him, you know, about getting up or raising your

485
00:24:08,759 --> 00:24:11,680
game in the playoffs, and he always like, I play

486
00:24:11,720 --> 00:24:15,200
the same way all the time, Like, no, he doesn't, No, yeah.

487
00:24:14,680 --> 00:24:19,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that's fair. This you know, I this win,

488
00:24:19,359 --> 00:24:22,359
big win got the Clippers. I feel like some more

489
00:24:22,400 --> 00:24:24,880
media attention than they've they've had, certainly like in a

490
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,519
few weeks. I don't know if you if you caught

491
00:24:27,559 --> 00:24:30,920
Steven A. Smith's comments about Kawhi, but you know, he

492
00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:33,640
basically said that he's checking his watch and waiting for

493
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:37,559
another injury and isn't really willing to to to read

494
00:24:37,640 --> 00:24:38,759
too much into this one.

495
00:24:39,039 --> 00:24:44,480
Speaker 3: That that part. I understand the citicism that part of it.

496
00:24:44,920 --> 00:24:48,319
Speaker 2: But he also went into like I didn't see him

497
00:24:48,319 --> 00:24:51,319
get injured in the playoff series against the Phoenix Suns.

498
00:24:51,599 --> 00:24:53,599
You know he walks off the floor after game too

499
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:58,160
and just doesn't come back. He was insinuating that he

500
00:24:58,240 --> 00:25:00,559
seemed to be with his language at LEAs maybe he

501
00:25:00,599 --> 00:25:02,839
didn't meet it like this, but he kind of doubled

502
00:25:02,839 --> 00:25:05,160
down on it multiple times. What offended me was it

503
00:25:05,240 --> 00:25:08,359
seemed like he was insinuating that like Kawhi just didn't

504
00:25:08,359 --> 00:25:10,920
want to play sometimes, like he would just leave a

505
00:25:10,960 --> 00:25:13,880
playoff series. It's like, dude, what do you think he

506
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:16,119
had surgery on if he didn't get hurt that summer?

507
00:25:16,119 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 3: Like what are you talking about?

508
00:25:17,640 --> 00:25:20,319
Speaker 2: It? Seemed really lazy, and I don't know part of

509
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:22,720
the course of Steven A. Smith analysis.

510
00:25:22,839 --> 00:25:26,559
Speaker 1: They've had issues though since Kawhi was in San Antonio.

511
00:25:26,640 --> 00:25:31,039
But you know, he hasn't exactly been a glowing reviewer

512
00:25:31,079 --> 00:25:34,359
of him. But if you've ever watched Kawhi Leonard played basketball,

513
00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:38,039
I feel like the notion that he would willingly, that

514
00:25:38,160 --> 00:25:44,799
he would willingly quit or walk off just because of

515
00:25:44,839 --> 00:25:48,400
how he felt. I think it's pretty silly, especially if

516
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:52,240
you you know, saw the terrifying grim hole last season

517
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:57,119
when clearly his body could no longer play despite him

518
00:25:57,279 --> 00:25:59,839
wanting to. But let's move on to some better news,

519
00:26:00,079 --> 00:26:03,400
happier stuff. James hard I should say.

520
00:26:03,200 --> 00:26:06,559
Speaker 2: Though, Yeah, I worry after a game like last night

521
00:26:07,359 --> 00:26:10,799
because he's going to another level. They're like, okay, so

522
00:26:10,920 --> 00:26:13,160
now how's the knee react to that? Right, because it's

523
00:26:13,200 --> 00:26:16,279
almost like clearing a different hurdle because you're raising your

524
00:26:16,359 --> 00:26:20,000
level of game. There's more explosive plays from him out there. God,

525
00:26:20,039 --> 00:26:22,559
his handle was so crazy last night. He was just

526
00:26:22,640 --> 00:26:26,240
so locked in. But yeah, he was making some that

527
00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:28,799
fall away he had in the fourth quarter near the

528
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,039
right elbow on the fade away over d Wade.

529
00:26:31,359 --> 00:26:34,160
Speaker 3: Like his elevation. I'm a weirdo.

530
00:26:34,279 --> 00:26:36,119
Speaker 2: So I'll go back to like twenty nineteen and look

531
00:26:36,160 --> 00:26:38,640
where he was then movement wise with the rafts and

532
00:26:38,640 --> 00:26:40,839
compared it to now. It's like, it looks pretty damn

533
00:26:40,920 --> 00:26:41,519
similar to me.

534
00:26:42,440 --> 00:26:43,400
Speaker 3: But so I have.

535
00:26:45,319 --> 00:26:45,880
Speaker 1: Way too.

536
00:26:47,200 --> 00:26:51,839
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm just like, I totally understand the notion of

537
00:26:51,880 --> 00:26:54,319
feeling like, well, he's not going to be able to

538
00:26:54,559 --> 00:26:57,599
make it through an entire playoff run, or he's not

539
00:26:57,599 --> 00:26:59,839
gonna be able to stay healthy, enjoy it while you can.

540
00:27:00,640 --> 00:27:03,680
Speaker 2: But Steven a presented in such a negative way and

541
00:27:03,759 --> 00:27:07,200
then seem to, you know, attack his competitiveness or something

542
00:27:07,240 --> 00:27:09,200
and act like he was faking an injury at one point.

543
00:27:09,240 --> 00:27:10,960
That's the part that to me is just crossing the

544
00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:11,839
line beyond anything.

545
00:27:12,279 --> 00:27:12,559
Speaker 3: Yeah.

546
00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,079
Speaker 1: Oh, I agree one hundred percent. But the discount of

547
00:27:15,079 --> 00:27:18,960
course around Kawhi is one of the most toxic of

548
00:27:19,000 --> 00:27:21,759
any player, and it seems like the most vocal of

549
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:26,200
his detractors are people that don't don't watch a lot.

550
00:27:26,079 --> 00:27:26,880
Speaker 4: Of Kawhi Leonard.

551
00:27:27,799 --> 00:27:30,559
Speaker 1: You know, we certainly see him for as many games

552
00:27:30,599 --> 00:27:32,440
as he's available a year, so I think we have

553
00:27:32,559 --> 00:27:35,759
a pretty different picture. But another guy with a lot

554
00:27:35,759 --> 00:27:40,799
of detractors. James Harden had, I mean nearly a perfect

555
00:27:40,839 --> 00:27:45,240
game as well. Nine assists, zero turnovers, looked to be

556
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:49,960
firmly in his bag scoring. The efficiency was not there

557
00:27:50,000 --> 00:27:52,920
from three just eighteen percent, so not completely perfect game,

558
00:27:53,480 --> 00:27:55,519
but finished with twenty two to nine and like I said,

559
00:27:55,640 --> 00:27:59,400
zero turnovers. What are you seeing from him? Like what

560
00:27:59,440 --> 00:28:05,039
I know? Well, the efficiency, I don't know how else

561
00:28:05,079 --> 00:28:07,480
to describe it other than ups and downs. It's kind

562
00:28:07,519 --> 00:28:10,119
of a roller coaster thing, and this one it didn't

563
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:13,440
end up biting the clippers. But are you seeing anything

564
00:28:13,519 --> 00:28:16,599
at any spots where he could be making improvements? Was

565
00:28:16,640 --> 00:28:19,599
there anything that you thought was problematic with the shot

566
00:28:19,680 --> 00:28:21,880
selection or was this just a case of stuff not

567
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,279
going down? I thought he was really struggling around the rim,

568
00:28:24,599 --> 00:28:27,240
which are shots that I would not tell him to

569
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:30,319
not take obviously, like you know, that's a great shot,

570
00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:31,440
that's a great shot. Profile.

571
00:28:31,480 --> 00:28:32,839
Speaker 4: They just weren't really falling down.

572
00:28:33,880 --> 00:28:36,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, maybe he was seeing ghosts a little bit just

573
00:28:36,720 --> 00:28:40,559
because the reputation of Mobley and Jared Allen lurking. You know,

574
00:28:41,519 --> 00:28:47,200
I did feel like, because this was a playoff type

575
00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:51,799
of atmosphere that he wasn't getting some of the calls

576
00:28:51,799 --> 00:28:54,200
he usually gets, and he got a little bit frustrated

577
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:55,799
over that. I think there were two times where he

578
00:28:55,839 --> 00:28:57,640
felt like he was fouled on a three pointer, he

579
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:01,480
didn't get the call, and you're less prone to get

580
00:29:01,480 --> 00:29:03,799
those calls in the playoffs. They're going to let more

581
00:29:03,839 --> 00:29:06,480
of that stuff go. And that's always been part of

582
00:29:06,519 --> 00:29:10,960
the problem at times with James Harden, where you're getting

583
00:29:11,000 --> 00:29:13,240
stuff in the regular season that doesn't translate to the

584
00:29:13,279 --> 00:29:17,279
playoffs with the way he's being officiated out there. So

585
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,079
I think that got in his head a little bit,

586
00:29:21,119 --> 00:29:23,359
and I would say I think this is a good

587
00:29:23,359 --> 00:29:26,720
example this game of why Kawhi has to be the

588
00:29:26,799 --> 00:29:28,920
number one option for you to be at your best,

589
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:33,039
because Kawhi's game translates so well to the playoffs because

590
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:39,519
whether he's going up against Miles Bridges on Sunday as

591
00:29:39,559 --> 00:29:43,920
his defender or Evan Mobley on.

592
00:29:44,160 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 3: Tuesday, they both kind of look the same.

593
00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 2: I think to Kawhi often with the type of shots

594
00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:53,119
that he takes, like he's seeing through the defense anyways,

595
00:29:53,279 --> 00:29:56,559
like it doesn't matter. His shot is less affected by

596
00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:00,359
more physical play or by the reputation of the defender.

597
00:30:00,440 --> 00:30:02,680
And how good they are because he gets to his spots,

598
00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:07,599
he pulls up their unguardable shots, whereas James Harden it

599
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,640
is a little bit more dependent on who you're going

600
00:30:10,680 --> 00:30:16,119
against how good the defense is. So I hope that

601
00:30:16,240 --> 00:30:18,920
this is a reminder that when the going gets tough,

602
00:30:18,960 --> 00:30:21,119
you know, Kawhi is still gonna have to be the guy.

603
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,839
Because he made some comments Sunday night about basically it

604
00:30:24,920 --> 00:30:28,440
sounded like he was saying, I'll fit it around you guys,

605
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:30,839
whether rather than you fitting around me.

606
00:30:31,440 --> 00:30:31,680
Speaker 1: Yeah.

607
00:30:31,759 --> 00:30:32,359
Speaker 3: Well, I don't know.

608
00:30:32,400 --> 00:30:34,119
Speaker 2: Did you hear any of those comments that he made,

609
00:30:34,119 --> 00:30:35,759
because I found it pretty interesting.

610
00:30:36,519 --> 00:30:42,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, I I don't know. I guess I just kind

611
00:30:42,119 --> 00:30:44,440
of read it as like sort of generic team speech

612
00:30:44,720 --> 00:30:47,759
because I don't really think that Kawhi is the guy.

613
00:30:47,839 --> 00:30:49,440
You know, he's not the guy to get on the

614
00:30:49,440 --> 00:30:51,559
podium and say that he's the system, even though he

615
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:55,160
is the system. Uh, he's more of he's more of

616
00:30:55,200 --> 00:30:58,480
the os. I guess, you know, it doesn't really it

617
00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,720
doesn't really need to announce its president. You know, it's there,

618
00:31:00,759 --> 00:31:01,720
it's running the whole thing.

619
00:31:03,359 --> 00:31:03,920
Speaker 3: That's fair.

620
00:31:04,160 --> 00:31:06,720
Speaker 1: But yeah, I agree, I do think that he can

621
00:31:06,839 --> 00:31:08,880
he can be a little bit more aggressive and hopefully

622
00:31:08,920 --> 00:31:13,039
this one was a step in the right direction. Before

623
00:31:13,079 --> 00:31:16,599
we move on anything troubling Catcher back from this game,

624
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:21,759
anything you didn't like, any player or performance you thought

625
00:31:22,359 --> 00:31:23,119
was a little lacking.

626
00:31:25,559 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 2: I just the way they hunted James Harden made me go, yeah,

627
00:31:28,960 --> 00:31:31,640
everybody's going to do that in the playoffs, not to

628
00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:32,279
that degree.

629
00:31:32,359 --> 00:31:36,200
Speaker 1: Maybe was that a surprise? Was that Was that a surprise?

630
00:31:37,480 --> 00:31:37,519
Speaker 4: No?

631
00:31:37,720 --> 00:31:42,119
Speaker 2: I just they were so relentless for a regular season game,

632
00:31:42,160 --> 00:31:45,039
and it was just kind of a reminder like, yeah,

633
00:31:45,079 --> 00:31:48,839
this is a real flaw because the defense kept breaking

634
00:31:48,880 --> 00:31:51,559
down because he kept get getting beat off the dribble.

635
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:57,160
They did it to Bogey a little bit too. I

636
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,759
think it was better in the second half.

637
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:02,319
Speaker 3: He just has to be a little bit better that

638
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:03,920
he was. It doesn't have to be great.

639
00:32:05,119 --> 00:32:08,720
Speaker 2: And the Clippers, you know, maybe the soft switching, they

640
00:32:08,759 --> 00:32:11,359
can do away with some of that at times because

641
00:32:11,359 --> 00:32:13,839
they make it too easy. That was the one thing

642
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,759
that just was like, guess that's not great. That doesn't

643
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:19,920
that doesn't bode well later on.

644
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, especially I don't know, especially with the I don't know,

645
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,160
like the Chris done of it all, Like if he's

646
00:32:28,160 --> 00:32:32,480
out there to like help James Harden on the defensive

647
00:32:32,640 --> 00:32:34,960
end and sort of like the void that he can

648
00:32:35,039 --> 00:32:37,160
present on the offensive end. It just kind of goes

649
00:32:37,160 --> 00:32:39,440
back to, like, I don't know why I'm still thinking

650
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:41,920
about what we're gonna do with this starting lineup and

651
00:32:41,920 --> 00:32:43,839
and why we we don't have a solid of five

652
00:32:43,880 --> 00:32:44,519
to five yet.

653
00:32:46,240 --> 00:32:47,319
Speaker 3: Chris Doug got the start.

654
00:32:47,480 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 1: They were three guards, called it, you called it. They

655
00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:51,920
did end up going into the three guard route, which

656
00:32:51,960 --> 00:32:54,119
I did like Your reasoning coming into this one too,

657
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:56,640
is that it makes the most sense to slow down

658
00:32:56,680 --> 00:33:00,400
Garland and Mitchell, give them a rough night early, and

659
00:33:00,680 --> 00:33:02,759
you know, some of the sizemths, like you know, some

660
00:33:02,880 --> 00:33:05,799
of the size mismatches kind of fall where they met.

661
00:33:06,720 --> 00:33:07,640
Speaker 3: Where are you at though?

662
00:33:07,759 --> 00:33:13,480
Speaker 2: Overalls, just so we're just gonna keep going matchup to matchup,

663
00:33:14,039 --> 00:33:18,160
and you know, have a revolving door for that fifth

664
00:33:18,160 --> 00:33:19,839
guy in the starting lineup all the time.

665
00:33:20,119 --> 00:33:22,519
Speaker 3: Do you think that's sustainable or the right move?

666
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:29,599
Speaker 2: No?

667
00:33:29,920 --> 00:33:32,359
Speaker 1: But I also don't like the Also, I think what

668
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,359
the if they were to say this is officially the

669
00:33:35,400 --> 00:33:37,480
starting lineup, what the move would be is not the

670
00:33:37,480 --> 00:33:40,720
one that I would want. Uh As much as as

671
00:33:40,759 --> 00:33:43,480
great as Kris Don has been, I do believe that

672
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:47,359
that is the direction they would probably shine the light

673
00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:49,880
in in that. And I you know, he has been great,

674
00:33:49,960 --> 00:33:55,759
no no knock against against his game at all. And

675
00:33:55,960 --> 00:33:59,119
DJJ has been you know, he's proven that he has

676
00:33:59,119 --> 00:34:01,200
the mentality to come on the bench. He's looked really

677
00:34:01,240 --> 00:34:04,119
great doing it. I'm not sure his his three, like

678
00:34:04,279 --> 00:34:06,640
his three point shooting looks better. I mean, obviously he's

679
00:34:06,680 --> 00:34:09,159
been recovering and he's been coming back from an injury,

680
00:34:09,199 --> 00:34:11,400
but it's looked better since he's been on the bench.

681
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:16,920
So yeah, I don't know. And again the Chris Done

682
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:18,639
of it all. The thing that just concerns me is,

683
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,159
you know, you're in a playoff game and you down

684
00:34:21,239 --> 00:34:24,679
ten to fifteen early, it's just a lot more difficult

685
00:34:24,679 --> 00:34:27,039
to make up that ground. I feel like in that

686
00:34:27,079 --> 00:34:29,800
type of a slow grinding scenario than it is in

687
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:30,840
a regular season game.

688
00:34:32,679 --> 00:34:33,360
Speaker 3: Yeah.

689
00:34:33,679 --> 00:34:37,679
Speaker 2: I sometimes I think, and you brought this up recently,

690
00:34:38,000 --> 00:34:40,880
you know, it's more important about who you close with.

691
00:34:41,079 --> 00:34:43,880
And maybe we're doing some over analysis. Always talks about

692
00:34:43,920 --> 00:34:47,679
starting lineups, you know, of course, and you could start somebody,

693
00:34:47,920 --> 00:34:49,719
you could start, You could have a starting lineup and

694
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:50,639
then adjust from there.

695
00:34:51,599 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 1: So yeah, well I get so, I guess that's more

696
00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,360
of what I mean is like I the actual starting

697
00:34:57,400 --> 00:35:00,280
five is maybe like a little bit irrelevant. It just

698
00:35:00,280 --> 00:35:04,599
seems like I guess there could just be maybe some

699
00:35:04,639 --> 00:35:07,880
more more clarity around the rotations. But at the same time,

700
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:13,800
it does help you maintain a little bit of malleability

701
00:35:13,920 --> 00:35:17,519
or flexibility to change stuff up within matchups.

702
00:35:18,519 --> 00:35:20,239
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know.

703
00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:24,079
Speaker 2: Well, I feel like with Kawhi saying the playoffs have

704
00:35:24,119 --> 00:35:27,280
already started last night, and I know coach lou wasn't

705
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:29,840
sitting there on the bench, but I wonder if his

706
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:33,639
mindset is it's just night to night basis, it's just

707
00:35:33,719 --> 00:35:35,840
game by game, figure out a way to win that

708
00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:39,760
one game. And that means nobody should be comfortable in

709
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:42,280
their spot too much because I'm going to play the matchups.

710
00:35:42,719 --> 00:35:45,119
And I guess I'm okay with that to agree, Like,

711
00:35:45,760 --> 00:35:47,519
I don't think it's the end of the world because

712
00:35:47,519 --> 00:35:50,519
these guys like each other. I don't think anybody's going

713
00:35:50,599 --> 00:35:52,239
to be disgruntled. Now if all of a sudden, normOn

714
00:35:52,239 --> 00:35:55,079
Powell was out of the starting lineup, then I'd be like, oh,

715
00:35:55,639 --> 00:35:57,400
we're taking this a little bit too far. But if

716
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:02,519
it's one position that keeps changing between DJ Done or Nico,

717
00:36:03,199 --> 00:36:04,639
I don't think it's the end of the world.

718
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:07,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're still limiting your varitiables enough there, and I

719
00:36:07,519 --> 00:36:11,440
do think like the mentality of everyone on the roster

720
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is certainly robust enough to sort of deal with with

721
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with whatever that is, whether it does get solidified as

722
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something or whether it continues to change. But that's gonna

723
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do it for this great win over the Calves. We'll

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be back at you here in just a couple of seconds.

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We gotta take a break for some ads, but we're

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gonna look ahead to the Clippers taking on the Grizzlies.

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So ads coming up on if you're if you're listening

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Speaker 3: Welcome back.

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Speaker 2: In Clips and Dip Season three, episode fifty five, I'm

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out of miles and we got will Updyke.

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Speaker 1: No, thank you for thank you for doing the episode

733
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number I forgot to do it at the top. Chuck's

734
00:36:49,880 --> 00:36:50,559
gonna be pissed.

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Speaker 3: Oh well, I just pulled up like the rundown a

736
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second ago. You didn't hear that?

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Speaker 1: Check?

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Speaker 3: No, I knew where we were going next.

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Speaker 2: The Clippers have another big ball game on Friday into

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a Dome against the Memphis Grizzlies, their final game against them.

741
00:37:05,599 --> 00:37:08,159
They're actually two to zero against them so far this season,

742
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:10,760
which kind of bucks a trend of past years where

743
00:37:10,760 --> 00:37:13,320
it felt like they were typically on the wrong end

744
00:37:13,440 --> 00:37:17,840
in that matchup. But incomes Chris Dunn DJ a couple

745
00:37:17,880 --> 00:37:21,000
more guys on the perimeter to help out with John Moran,

746
00:37:21,039 --> 00:37:23,079
who they definitely saw in the first matchup but not

747
00:37:23,159 --> 00:37:25,760
the second, and they're two to zero against him. Grizzly

748
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,880
since the All Star Break just seven and eight, fifteenth

749
00:37:28,880 --> 00:37:32,880
in net rating, thirteenth, in offensive rating, fourteenth, and defensive rating,

750
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so they've kind of been slow out of the gates

751
00:37:36,199 --> 00:37:38,679
post All Star Break, but they have won five of

752
00:37:38,719 --> 00:37:41,880
their last seven. But they did lose to the Cleveland

753
00:37:41,880 --> 00:37:45,280
Cavaliers at home. Wouldn't happen to the Clippers? Would never

754
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happen to the Clippers.

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Speaker 1: US.

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Speaker 2: How are you feeling about Friday's matchup? Is this going

757
00:37:52,440 --> 00:37:55,880
to confirm what we saw on Tuesday? Or could this

758
00:37:55,960 --> 00:37:59,039
turn into? Oh the Clippers are still inconsistent and I

759
00:37:59,039 --> 00:38:01,360
don't know what to expect from this team game to game,

760
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even though they just got their best victory.

761
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Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know that this one would be enough

762
00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:10,800
to do a complete one eighty for me on where

763
00:38:10,840 --> 00:38:13,280
this team is at. That being said, though, I mean

764
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this to me would be a very significant win, certainly

765
00:38:17,800 --> 00:38:20,199
rattling off five straight. I mean, I don't think we've

766
00:38:20,199 --> 00:38:25,880
done that since November maybe five, because five five is

767
00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:27,960
the longest I looked at I was living this up

768
00:38:28,000 --> 00:38:30,719
a couple weeks ago. Five straight is the longest streak

769
00:38:30,760 --> 00:38:32,920
I believe of the season, and that would have been

770
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:41,360
pretty early on there. So yeah, I don't know. Again, Yeah,

771
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:43,840
it would be more I guess it would be more

772
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:46,880
more evidence to the idea that the team is super inconsistent,

773
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but it doesn't undo what they've done so far. But

774
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,760
a win would swing me, you know, like even further

775
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:55,079
sort of in this positive direction. So I guess what

776
00:38:55,079 --> 00:38:57,079
I'm saying is there's less to lose than there is

777
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to gain, is how I'm viewing this one.

778
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Speaker 2: Yeah, and look, the Grizzlies aren't playing well, but they

779
00:39:05,400 --> 00:39:08,000
are one of those teams in the Western Conference still

780
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in front of the Clippers. And I know they lost

781
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:13,840
last night to the Sacramento Kings, who had been in

782
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a tailspin after the Kawhi shot. He basically broke the

783
00:39:16,960 --> 00:39:18,639
Kings and they lost I think four or five in

784
00:39:18,639 --> 00:39:23,480
a row after that. But they will be what are

785
00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,039
they on a back to back heading into that game? Also,

786
00:39:26,239 --> 00:39:29,440
they have no they have the Blazers tonight Memphis, and

787
00:39:29,519 --> 00:39:32,119
we don't know the status of John Morant, who was

788
00:39:32,159 --> 00:39:37,480
out for the last game with a hamstring injury. What

789
00:39:37,559 --> 00:39:41,519
do we want to see from this Clippers team specifically

790
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to build off of what we saw I guess against

791
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Cleveland against a Memphis team, now that's pretty good.

792
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Speaker 1: I'd like to see them again on the offensive end,

793
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just with the same sort of like precision to pick

794
00:39:54,639 --> 00:39:58,119
apart some of those lineups. Whether that goes back to having,

795
00:39:58,400 --> 00:40:00,239
you know, Bogie handled the ball more at time and

796
00:40:00,280 --> 00:40:03,760
maybe feature Harden and Kawhi and a little bit more

797
00:40:03,800 --> 00:40:05,519
off ball of a roll to give them a little

798
00:40:05,519 --> 00:40:08,079
bit of break from the ball handling duties and sort

799
00:40:08,079 --> 00:40:10,599
of enable them to sort of zero in on whatever

800
00:40:10,639 --> 00:40:12,719
matchup it is they want and really go at it,

801
00:40:12,920 --> 00:40:16,519
because we need to get some sort of offensive swing,

802
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:19,039
some sort of offensive juice figured out. And I think

803
00:40:19,079 --> 00:40:22,599
that was like one of the brighter takeaways from the

804
00:40:22,639 --> 00:40:25,039
last game, because like all season long, it's been you know,

805
00:40:25,079 --> 00:40:26,880
what are we going to do with this? And I

806
00:40:26,920 --> 00:40:29,639
think what I like the most was that it was

807
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,840
like it was a glimpse back to that twenty twenty

808
00:40:32,880 --> 00:40:36,039
one team where in the half court they were the

809
00:40:36,079 --> 00:40:38,920
best team in the NBA, and you know, it wasn't

810
00:40:38,920 --> 00:40:42,239
always even like the insane ball movement or anything. A

811
00:40:42,239 --> 00:40:46,599
lot of times it was just really meticulous plotting, efficient offense.

812
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So to see that again, to see them be able

813
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,920
to put up you know, a buck fifteen, buck twenty

814
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,280
on this grizzly team and pull out a win, to

815
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,960
me would be very very impressive. I'm not saying that

816
00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:02,440
that's what's going to happen, but that would be very

817
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,360
impressive for me. Obviously, Harden to have a little bit

818
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:07,960
more efficient of a night's norm to get his legs

819
00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:11,480
back under him, but more so than anything, just a

820
00:41:11,519 --> 00:41:14,960
sort of I just want to see a step in

821
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:17,079
the right direction that they at least know where they're

822
00:41:17,079 --> 00:41:21,119
heading offensively, that we're not just relying on, you know,

823
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,639
past efficiency and hopeful numbers from individual players, but we

824
00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:27,199
have sort of a cohesive idea even if maybe It

825
00:41:27,239 --> 00:41:29,599
isn't exactly what you want the offense to be, but

826
00:41:29,639 --> 00:41:32,480
they know what, they know who they're hunting, and they're

827
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:35,760
making it a point to get certain players involved in

828
00:41:35,800 --> 00:41:39,880
the action in having to defend them on a possession

829
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:40,800
of possession basis.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, as much as it feels like they have a

831
00:41:45,519 --> 00:41:51,519
pretty defined aggressive defensive mentality and identity there the offensive side,

832
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:55,480
high pick and roll, big Zoo, James Harden. But now

833
00:41:55,559 --> 00:41:58,559
Cowhi's back, so how does he fit in and how's

834
00:41:58,599 --> 00:42:00,440
the shot distribution going game game?

835
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:03,039
Speaker 3: I will say this though I was kind.

836
00:42:02,920 --> 00:42:05,960
Speaker 2: Of shot by this earlier. In the last ten games,

837
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,719
they're third in offensive rating. Now they have played some

838
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:10,119
bad teams over that stretch.

839
00:42:10,519 --> 00:42:13,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, there's a couple of pretty nice scores booing

840
00:42:13,559 --> 00:42:13,760
in that.

841
00:42:13,880 --> 00:42:18,039
Speaker 2: But sure, yeah, Cleveland's game last night, obviously the best

842
00:42:18,079 --> 00:42:21,639
wins of the season is included. But I still don't

843
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:25,760
know exactly how they're going to show up on that

844
00:42:25,960 --> 00:42:27,960
end each and every night. And some of it can

845
00:42:28,039 --> 00:42:31,320
just be massed from hot shooting. So they go, oh,

846
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:34,000
this is what we do. We make shots, that's our identity.

847
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:37,079
When we're good, we make more shots. And now Bogey

848
00:42:37,199 --> 00:42:39,079
is shooting like forty eight percent from three the last

849
00:42:39,079 --> 00:42:41,360
ten games too, so that kind of goes into it.

850
00:42:41,440 --> 00:42:43,239
The three point shooting has been a little bit better.

851
00:42:43,599 --> 00:42:46,880
Kawhi is back, and I think the last four games

852
00:42:46,880 --> 00:42:49,480
he's at like twenty eight points per game, not just

853
00:42:49,599 --> 00:42:52,679
last night on high efficiency. He's turned his three point

854
00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:57,239
shooting around a big way. So, no, there is such

855
00:42:57,280 --> 00:43:01,239
great individual talent there that obviously you can get by.

856
00:43:01,960 --> 00:43:04,320
Speaker 1: And it's an pull low average defense, like it's a

857
00:43:04,519 --> 00:43:08,679
just outside of bottom ten sort of sort of defense.

858
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:13,960
Speaker 2: Oh the Clippers Memphis, Memphis, Okay, yeah, yeah, like yeah,

859
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:19,599
they're not as good as the Clifland Cavaliers, so depending

860
00:43:19,639 --> 00:43:22,480
off John Moran is there either way, I just want

861
00:43:22,519 --> 00:43:26,320
to see like a real plan of attack out there.

862
00:43:26,639 --> 00:43:31,000
And Kawhi had been talking about better ball movement and

863
00:43:31,039 --> 00:43:32,119
that has been happening.

864
00:43:32,159 --> 00:43:33,639
Speaker 3: I think overall it has.

865
00:43:33,760 --> 00:43:37,320
Speaker 2: Yes, I'll say this, here's something that that's the stake

866
00:43:37,360 --> 00:43:39,960
that has stood out to me. So they have been

867
00:43:40,000 --> 00:43:44,000
turning over the ball way less like the last fifteen games,

868
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:47,679
but the last ten specifically, it's eleven point six times

869
00:43:47,679 --> 00:43:49,480
per game. It's like top five in the league.

870
00:43:50,119 --> 00:43:52,800
Speaker 1: So and as long as by I mean what like

871
00:43:53,119 --> 00:43:55,760
thirty percent almost, I'll like since the two to one

872
00:43:55,760 --> 00:43:59,039
to three era, like normally they're around i'd say like fourteen.

873
00:43:59,679 --> 00:44:00,440
Speaker 3: Yeah.

874
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:03,960
Speaker 2: And even though James had the low efficiency game last night,

875
00:44:04,000 --> 00:44:05,920
he took care of the basketball. I think he had

876
00:44:06,000 --> 00:44:08,039
nine assistant zero turnovers exactly.

877
00:44:08,159 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 1: That's why he said he had a perfect game.

878
00:44:12,039 --> 00:44:15,280
Speaker 2: So they are doing some things right, Like if you

879
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:16,960
want to talk about being on the same page and

880
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:20,280
having a plan, it's hard to have low turnovers if

881
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,599
you aren't connected offensively.

882
00:44:22,679 --> 00:44:24,280
Speaker 3: So they are doing some things.

883
00:44:25,719 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 2: It's just I don't know. Maybe it's a good thing

884
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:31,000
and we're overthinking a little bit because they do have

885
00:44:31,039 --> 00:44:33,320
a more diverse attack right now and we're trying to

886
00:44:33,320 --> 00:44:35,280
see where it's coming from all the time. But it's like, no,

887
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:38,920
that's the point, dummies, That's true. The defense doesn't know

888
00:44:38,960 --> 00:44:41,639
who's going to be attacking them every time down the floor,

889
00:44:41,639 --> 00:44:43,199
and that's why they've been better on that end.

890
00:44:43,440 --> 00:44:44,599
Speaker 3: Maybe we're asking too much.

891
00:44:44,639 --> 00:44:47,119
Speaker 1: I don't know, but don't you feel I just feel

892
00:44:47,159 --> 00:44:49,760
like they haven't always like used some of the mismatches

893
00:44:49,760 --> 00:44:51,679
to their advantage. And that even goes to like getting

894
00:44:51,679 --> 00:44:53,960
big zoo touches I feel like, sometimes you know what,

895
00:44:54,079 --> 00:44:57,239
he has a mismatch down loan, It's like, why why

896
00:44:57,320 --> 00:44:59,519
is he not immediately fed the ball. He's shown time

897
00:44:59,559 --> 00:45:01,480
in and time that he can obviously score on the

898
00:45:01,480 --> 00:45:05,519
other player or make something else happen. But what about you,

899
00:45:05,599 --> 00:45:07,519
What's what's one thing you're looking at? What are you

900
00:45:07,599 --> 00:45:10,159
looking for to get this win over the Grizzlies.

901
00:45:11,239 --> 00:45:14,320
Speaker 2: Well, big Zoo body triple j earlier this season, and

902
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,440
I wonder if he remembers how badly he had to

903
00:45:17,480 --> 00:45:21,679
wear it in that game. And I want to see

904
00:45:22,039 --> 00:45:26,719
Aviza Zoobots like strike fear into opponents. I know he's

905
00:45:26,760 --> 00:45:31,119
not shack, He'll never be shack. No one moving forward

906
00:45:31,159 --> 00:45:36,079
will probably be shack. But can there be a level

907
00:45:36,119 --> 00:45:38,519
of fear factor when you're going up against the Clippers

908
00:45:38,519 --> 00:45:42,320
with the Viza Zubos because you know that night, if

909
00:45:42,320 --> 00:45:44,880
you have to guard this guy, you're probably gonna get

910
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:49,000
embarrassed a couple of times. Yes, I would love to

911
00:45:49,079 --> 00:45:53,079
see that, like a reputation from Aviza Zubos from being

912
00:45:53,239 --> 00:45:57,840
nastier he has been. I don't think he's ever been soft,

913
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:01,079
but that title had been given to him from some

914
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:04,599
the people who aren't the zoos truthers like us praising

915
00:46:04,679 --> 00:46:08,800
him for years, But now some of the stuff he's

916
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:12,079
doing out there is so dominant. I'm not calling him

917
00:46:12,079 --> 00:46:15,480
the MD the most dominant ever like Shaq, but just

918
00:46:16,079 --> 00:46:20,440
can he coming into the game have a reputation of, Oh,

919
00:46:20,639 --> 00:46:23,639
you're facing a guy who's in the conversation for top

920
00:46:23,639 --> 00:46:25,280
five best center in the league tonight.

921
00:46:26,239 --> 00:46:29,760
Speaker 1: I mean, if that isn't already in the scouting report,

922
00:46:31,079 --> 00:46:34,280
then I think maybe some of these scouts need to

923
00:46:34,320 --> 00:46:34,960
know more ball.

924
00:46:37,159 --> 00:46:37,840
Speaker 3: This is true.

925
00:46:39,440 --> 00:46:41,719
Speaker 2: You would you would assume some of the players have

926
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:45,320
known how good he is. But there's good, and then

927
00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:48,440
there's I may get dunked on, or I may have

928
00:46:48,519 --> 00:46:51,480
him do a spinning reverse layup, or use the left

929
00:46:51,519 --> 00:46:54,239
hand on me, fake me out of my shoes, like

930
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:58,920
that stuff. I think that can have players a little

931
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:01,400
bit more skittish going into a ball game against the Clippers.

932
00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,239
And now I would love it if Jared Jackson Junior

933
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:05,199
was feeling a little bit of that because Zuo has

934
00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:08,000
dominated him.

935
00:47:08,039 --> 00:47:11,679
Speaker 1: All right, So what do you It's kind of questionable.

936
00:47:12,559 --> 00:47:16,719
You know, like this team, they are fourth in overall

937
00:47:16,719 --> 00:47:19,920
plus minus despite being like I said, below average defense

938
00:47:20,079 --> 00:47:23,199
above average offense, maybe not exceptional, but they're about thirteenth

939
00:47:23,199 --> 00:47:26,360
in offensive ratings sense the All Star break, you know,

940
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:30,480
they're one game below five hundred. What worries you about

941
00:47:30,480 --> 00:47:31,000
this one?

942
00:47:33,760 --> 00:47:37,119
Speaker 2: The Clippers, aside from the first half against the Cleveland Cavaliers,

943
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:40,760
have had the shooting actually going their way recently from

944
00:47:40,800 --> 00:47:43,880
opponents after for like a month and a half, it

945
00:47:43,920 --> 00:47:47,199
felt like everybody was lighting them up from three a

946
00:47:47,239 --> 00:47:49,599
lot of averages. It always seems to work that way,

947
00:47:49,679 --> 00:47:53,599
where I think teams are shooting like thirty two percent

948
00:47:53,679 --> 00:47:57,119
from three against the Clippers their last ten games, which

949
00:47:57,159 --> 00:47:59,000
is one of the best or lowest percentages in the

950
00:47:59,079 --> 00:48:02,639
league against anybody. I'm just worried that that's not going

951
00:48:02,679 --> 00:48:06,119
to be able to hold. But I'm also encouraged because

952
00:48:06,159 --> 00:48:09,039
the first half last game, it looked like the Cavs

953
00:48:09,039 --> 00:48:11,400
were on one of those heaters and the Clippers stepped up.

954
00:48:12,039 --> 00:48:16,800
But yeah, I could see the Memphis Grizzlies, you know,

955
00:48:17,440 --> 00:48:20,039
with Desmond Baine, I don't know what Jalen Wells is

956
00:48:20,079 --> 00:48:25,239
shooting on the season, and but what am I thinking of?

957
00:48:26,360 --> 00:48:30,840
Obviously Zach Edie's not shooting any but Jaron Jackson Junior

958
00:48:31,000 --> 00:48:33,360
is known for being a stretch big, Like is this

959
00:48:33,480 --> 00:48:34,679
going to be the game.

960
00:48:36,000 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 3: Or a tea?

961
00:48:36,800 --> 00:48:38,599
Speaker 1: The name you're forgetting is Luke Canard.

962
00:48:38,599 --> 00:48:41,159
Speaker 3: I think Luke Canard is definitely.

963
00:48:41,280 --> 00:48:43,159
Speaker 2: I think he started the last time out against the

964
00:48:43,159 --> 00:48:45,360
Clippers when they didn't have Sean Moran.

965
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:47,000
Speaker 3: A Luke Canard revenge game.

966
00:48:47,119 --> 00:48:50,599
Speaker 2: Yes, that should be the worry Luky Dookie going off

967
00:48:50,639 --> 00:48:51,800
from distance.

968
00:48:51,920 --> 00:48:54,039
Speaker 1: And Dan's been bain. I mean he just put up

969
00:48:54,039 --> 00:48:56,440
a forty piece. I mean it was in a loss

970
00:48:56,440 --> 00:48:59,639
of bad loss of the Kings, but uh, he just

971
00:48:59,639 --> 00:49:01,880
put up forty four. So he I like that. You

972
00:49:01,920 --> 00:49:04,760
bring him him up. He could definitely get some get

973
00:49:04,800 --> 00:49:06,280
something done against the Clippers.

974
00:49:07,440 --> 00:49:09,639
Speaker 2: Adm Bona was the guy who was thinking of another

975
00:49:09,679 --> 00:49:10,320
stretch big.

976
00:49:10,679 --> 00:49:12,599
Speaker 1: There you go, there you go.

977
00:49:14,719 --> 00:49:17,159
Speaker 3: Wait, that's not what I'm thinking of. God damn it.

978
00:49:17,400 --> 00:49:19,000
Who am I thinking of from the Grizzlies?

979
00:49:21,320 --> 00:49:23,840
Speaker 1: Are you googling? Who am I thinking of? From the Grizzlies?

980
00:49:24,559 --> 00:49:28,760
Speaker 2: I hear the keyboard Al dama al dama a, Dan Bona,

981
00:49:28,920 --> 00:49:34,440
al dama santy al dama Yes, he's their stretch big. Okay,

982
00:49:34,519 --> 00:49:39,599
I'm sorry I got a sidetracked here, man Chase.

983
00:49:41,000 --> 00:49:46,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, I so, yeah, I guess I'm worried. I'm worried

984
00:49:46,800 --> 00:49:50,360
if the shooting doesn't go the Clippers way early that

985
00:49:50,440 --> 00:49:53,679
we see sort of we see a fall off defensively.

986
00:49:54,280 --> 00:49:57,639
I liked last game you sort of like you mentioned

987
00:49:57,639 --> 00:49:59,400
the pivot that they were able to take when they

988
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:03,440
weren't getting stops, which was aided by them actually being

989
00:50:03,480 --> 00:50:06,320
able to make to knock shots down. But I think

990
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,559
sometimes when we've seen them come out to a slow

991
00:50:08,679 --> 00:50:11,719
start offensively, they can kind of fall behind on the

992
00:50:11,760 --> 00:50:13,559
other end of the floor. And that's still you know,

993
00:50:13,599 --> 00:50:15,760
as much as I've brought up you know, wanting to

994
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:19,280
see more of an offensive identity, more more of wanting

995
00:50:19,320 --> 00:50:22,679
to see a step forward in that direction, it can't

996
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:25,280
come at a step backwards to to where they've been

997
00:50:25,360 --> 00:50:29,639
defensively really all seasons. So I don't anticipate I don't

998
00:50:29,679 --> 00:50:32,280
anticipate that happening. But you know, you brought up hard

999
00:50:32,360 --> 00:50:34,199
In in some of the call things. I think that

1000
00:50:34,360 --> 00:50:36,599
some of the times that you know, his his low

1001
00:50:36,679 --> 00:50:39,599
light reel has definitely been times after you know, arguing

1002
00:50:39,599 --> 00:50:41,920
with a call that he didn't get, which is you know,

1003
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:44,400
common for a lot of foul prome guards to not

1004
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:47,039
really get back. But yeah, I just want to see

1005
00:50:47,039 --> 00:50:50,800
the same sort of defensive intensity if the you know,

1006
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:53,239
if the shooting efficiency isn't going their way the.

1007
00:50:53,159 --> 00:50:55,719
Speaker 4: Way that it did against the Cavaliers, because I.

1008
00:50:55,639 --> 00:50:59,079
Speaker 1: Don't think that in general, they're going to be able

1009
00:50:59,119 --> 00:51:01,880
to say, okay, well, like defensively, it's just not really working,

1010
00:51:01,920 --> 00:51:04,880
so let's let's try to let's try to shoot our

1011
00:51:04,920 --> 00:51:06,519
way out of this one, which is what I was

1012
00:51:06,599 --> 00:51:10,320
really worried about in that Cavs game. But they were

1013
00:51:10,400 --> 00:51:11,639
able to shoot themselves out of it.

1014
00:51:12,719 --> 00:51:18,039
Speaker 2: There was a great quote postgame from Vshaw saying nobody

1015
00:51:18,079 --> 00:51:22,000
tried to hijack the offense when somebody had it rolling.

1016
00:51:22,239 --> 00:51:25,119
They kept feeding that guy. They kept going to him

1017
00:51:25,159 --> 00:51:29,199
when they had the mismatch. So that was encouraging to hear.

1018
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:31,159
Speaker 3: He used some strong language.

1019
00:51:31,599 --> 00:51:36,079
Speaker 2: He's very blunt and frank, but yeah, I'm with you.

1020
00:51:37,599 --> 00:51:41,079
I think this is a team that at some point

1021
00:51:41,119 --> 00:51:43,840
they have to get out of that transitional phase of

1022
00:51:43,960 --> 00:51:46,519
we have everybody back or the majority of our team back,

1023
00:51:46,559 --> 00:51:49,480
and we're still figuring it out. Because there's what thirteen

1024
00:51:49,519 --> 00:51:52,440
games left, It's like, you can't still be in that,

1025
00:51:53,119 --> 00:51:55,960
you know, figuring out how to play next to one another.

1026
00:51:56,039 --> 00:51:56,519
Speaker 3: Stage.

1027
00:51:56,760 --> 00:51:59,159
Speaker 2: You got to make it happen right now, and hopefully

1028
00:51:59,159 --> 00:52:00,920
when we saw last night was the step in the

1029
00:52:01,079 --> 00:52:04,000
right direction where this Clippers team is kind of crystallizing

1030
00:52:04,280 --> 00:52:06,400
how they want to play every possession.

1031
00:52:07,079 --> 00:52:10,519
Speaker 1: Yes, yeah, absolutely not a whole lot of We always

1032
00:52:10,519 --> 00:52:12,360
talk about on this show how a little runway is

1033
00:52:12,480 --> 00:52:14,960
left and uh yeah, it's it's creeping right up on them.

1034
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:19,480
It's in it's like in uh, it's like in that movie, Uh,

1035
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:23,000
what's the uh, what's the ben Affleck World War two

1036
00:52:23,039 --> 00:52:27,840
movie Pearl Harbor. They're like they're practicing because they have

1037
00:52:27,880 --> 00:52:30,960
to conserve fuel, so they're practicing and taking the jet

1038
00:52:31,119 --> 00:52:33,519
that like the jet fighters off with a shorter and

1039
00:52:33,519 --> 00:52:36,519
shorter distance, so they're like marking it with the chalk. Anyways,

1040
00:52:36,519 --> 00:52:38,039
that's where the Clippers are at right now. Sorry to

1041
00:52:38,039 --> 00:52:41,159
get onto a onto a nowhere analogy, but uh yeah,

1042
00:52:41,320 --> 00:52:43,679
the Clippers are gonna come back from war. Someone else

1043
00:52:43,719 --> 00:52:45,920
has been with their old lady and now they got

1044
00:52:45,960 --> 00:52:47,280
to figure the whole thing out.

1045
00:52:49,880 --> 00:52:52,480
Speaker 2: You were going dumb and dumber or Jim Carrey runs

1046
00:52:52,519 --> 00:52:54,360
out of the shoot and like falls off to the

1047
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:56,079
tarmac or whatever, like they're running out of.

1048
00:52:56,079 --> 00:52:58,920
Speaker 1: Run with It's looked like that sometimes too, it has

1049
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:02,639
looked like that sometimes. Let's get into our Do you

1050
00:53:02,679 --> 00:53:04,519
have any other thoughts on this one before we get

1051
00:53:04,519 --> 00:53:05,280
into our players.

1052
00:53:05,039 --> 00:53:05,440
Speaker 4: Of the game.

1053
00:53:06,079 --> 00:53:08,119
Speaker 3: No, let's do it. Let's get to it.

1054
00:53:08,119 --> 00:53:13,320
Speaker 1: All right. So this is the of course highly coveted

1055
00:53:14,360 --> 00:53:18,440
a Visas Zubats, Kawhi, Leonard, Norm Powell, James Harden Player

1056
00:53:18,480 --> 00:53:21,480
of the Game. If the name of a player was

1057
00:53:21,559 --> 00:53:24,360
mentioned in the award, it means that you cannot pick

1058
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:27,599
them for the award. Always presents an interesting curve ball

1059
00:53:27,679 --> 00:53:30,519
for these discussions. Adam, I'll kick it over to you.

1060
00:53:31,239 --> 00:53:34,039
Who is your player of the game per the rules

1061
00:53:34,159 --> 00:53:35,360
of this segment.

1062
00:53:36,559 --> 00:53:40,440
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go with a mere coffee.

1063
00:53:40,840 --> 00:53:43,320
Speaker 1: Ooh okay. I like that you brought him up because

1064
00:53:43,320 --> 00:53:45,239
I thought he kind of stunk last game.

1065
00:53:46,280 --> 00:53:49,239
Speaker 2: Well, so this is about the guy who's due to

1066
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:52,239
vounce back. Okay, he did have well, one of four

1067
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:55,480
from the field and just three points in seventeen minutes

1068
00:53:56,079 --> 00:53:58,719
he had. They only credited him with one because I

1069
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:01,159
think Visas Zubas got credit for tipping it out. But

1070
00:54:01,239 --> 00:54:03,639
he had a key offensive rebound to get them an

1071
00:54:03,639 --> 00:54:04,440
extra possession.

1072
00:54:06,199 --> 00:54:07,880
Speaker 1: Yes, I know exactly what you're talking about.

1073
00:54:07,880 --> 00:54:10,519
Speaker 2: We're building off of this, baby, amer Coffee's gonna turn

1074
00:54:10,559 --> 00:54:12,960
that into a fifteen point game. He also want a

1075
00:54:13,039 --> 00:54:16,239
terrible turnover, right, I'm not here to talk about that.

1076
00:54:16,480 --> 00:54:22,760
Speaker 1: Okay, who do you got? I'm gonna oh man, this

1077
00:54:22,800 --> 00:54:25,239
one feels like cheating, and I'm gonna say it because

1078
00:54:25,280 --> 00:54:27,039
it might be one of the last few times that

1079
00:54:27,039 --> 00:54:29,199
we get to say him before his name gets added

1080
00:54:29,239 --> 00:54:33,000
to the list of folks. Bogue, going, Bogden, Bogdanovic. Baby,

1081
00:54:34,000 --> 00:54:36,719
I think that he I mean, he's just continuing to

1082
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:39,159
build on this and like I said, I really do

1083
00:54:39,400 --> 00:54:43,400
like when they are. I do think that he is

1084
00:54:43,440 --> 00:54:46,400
one of those pieces to getting this team rolling offensively.

1085
00:54:47,159 --> 00:54:49,840
Him paired with Harden does present its own sort of

1086
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:52,599
issues on the defensive end, and we have seen Bogue

1087
00:54:52,639 --> 00:54:55,400
he picked on very heavily at times, especially in that

1088
00:54:55,519 --> 00:55:01,320
Lakers game. So yeah, but either way, he's on the

1089
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:03,519
up and up. I really like what he brings. I

1090
00:55:03,519 --> 00:55:05,920
love his shooting. I like I said earlier, his Baul

1091
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:10,199
handling is even better I feel like than advertise. So

1092
00:55:10,440 --> 00:55:12,800
I'm looking for I'm looking for a strong performance from

1093
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:16,719
him and him to help sort of sort of raise

1094
00:55:16,840 --> 00:55:19,360
the water to be the water that raises the tide.

1095
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:22,400
If there's any sort of slow offensive points in this game,

1096
00:55:22,440 --> 00:55:25,559
because we've all gotten too used to watching, you know,

1097
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:31,079
three minute long stretches of NBA basketball without a madefield goal,

1098
00:55:32,519 --> 00:55:34,400
I don't know if he's going on, which takes years

1099
00:55:34,440 --> 00:55:37,320
off your life, dude, it takes years off my life.

1100
00:55:37,920 --> 00:55:40,559
I'm seventeen years old. I look like this because I

1101
00:55:40,559 --> 00:55:41,760
watch Clippers basketball.

1102
00:55:44,639 --> 00:55:47,039
Speaker 2: All right, You got the Ringer and voguee. I got

1103
00:55:47,039 --> 00:55:48,000
a mirror coffee?

1104
00:55:48,559 --> 00:55:49,199
Speaker 3: Fair enough?

1105
00:55:49,400 --> 00:55:52,760
Speaker 2: Where can everybody find this wonderful podcast?

1106
00:55:52,880 --> 00:55:54,320
Speaker 3: Here will David listening to?

1107
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:56,960
Speaker 1: You can find this podcast which if you thought it

1108
00:55:57,000 --> 00:55:59,280
was good today normally there's three of us, it's that's

1109
00:55:59,400 --> 00:56:02,440
at least fifty better. But you can check that out

1110
00:56:02,679 --> 00:56:05,320
wherever you get your podcasts. If you listen and listen

1111
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:08,039
over on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, go ahead and leave the

1112
00:56:08,039 --> 00:56:11,159
little rating or review. It helps us out. But the

1113
00:56:11,159 --> 00:56:14,039
best way to check out his podcast is over on YouTube.

1114
00:56:14,239 --> 00:56:16,679
That's YouTube dot com slash at Clippers podcast. But hey,

1115
00:56:16,719 --> 00:56:19,320
however you tune in, you know we appreciate.

1116
00:56:18,840 --> 00:56:22,679
Speaker 2: You before you get out of here. I think I

1117
00:56:22,760 --> 00:56:23,599
have to do something.

1118
00:56:23,760 --> 00:56:27,159
Speaker 1: You have an obligation, you have a legal obligation.

1119
00:56:27,880 --> 00:56:31,039
Speaker 3: I've said so many positive things already. What if I

1120
00:56:31,159 --> 00:56:32,159
missed it this point?

1121
00:56:32,280 --> 00:56:33,119
Speaker 1: Big deep man?

1122
00:56:34,320 --> 00:56:40,239
Speaker 2: Oh, Okay, the Clippers have a real shot. I thought

1123
00:56:40,239 --> 00:56:43,079
they were stuck in the seven to eight plan. They

1124
00:56:43,119 --> 00:56:45,000
do have a real shot still to get into the

1125
00:56:45,039 --> 00:56:50,599
sixth spot. Oh, it's there, It's possible, it can happen.

1126
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:52,719
I was looking at all the upcoming schedules for the

1127
00:56:52,719 --> 00:56:57,599
Golden State Warriors, for the Minnesota Timberwolves, for the Memphis Grizzlies,

1128
00:56:58,320 --> 00:57:01,480
like this is all all still in front of them

1129
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:06,079
with thirteen games left, and maybe I don't know, they're

1130
00:57:06,079 --> 00:57:09,199
peaking at the right time for once. How many times

1131
00:57:09,199 --> 00:57:12,519
have they gone into the playoffs where you felt like, yeah,

1132
00:57:12,599 --> 00:57:15,519
they got the right type of momentum going on. Kawhi

1133
00:57:15,559 --> 00:57:19,760
looks perfectly poised for a long playoff run, like this

1134
00:57:19,880 --> 00:57:22,480
might actually work out because they went through a little

1135
00:57:22,480 --> 00:57:25,559
bit of a downspin or downturn after the All Star

1136
00:57:25,639 --> 00:57:28,159
break and they have pulled out of that tail spin

1137
00:57:28,679 --> 00:57:33,280
beautifully here. So now this Clippers team, they got a

1138
00:57:33,400 --> 00:57:36,840
chance to really build a little bit of momentum because

1139
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:39,360
also the level of competition. If you're looking for positives

1140
00:57:39,360 --> 00:57:41,719
by playing really good teams, when you beat them, you

1141
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:44,960
feel really good about yourself. So we'll see if they

1142
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:47,800
get another victory over the Memphis Grizzlies, they'll be flying high.

1143
00:57:47,960 --> 00:57:50,920
Speaker 1: All right, flying high. Let's hope that's where we're at.

1144
00:57:51,000 --> 00:57:53,599
That's gonna do it for today's episode of Clips and

1145
00:57:53,719 --> 00:57:55,920
did thank you so much? And as our co host

1146
00:57:56,000 --> 00:57:58,760
Charles Mickler always says, well, let's go Clips.