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Speaker 1: What is up, fellow Sikos, I am Damn Valley coming

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at you once more with the one, the Only Me,

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my certified Fantabular's co host, mister Grant Hugh's we have

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giannest fever because Yannis keeps infecting everybody with it. We're

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gonna talk about his latest trade demand, but we have

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a bigger question we want to get to, which is

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could the outcome of the Yannist Trades Sweepstakes change the

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way we look at Superstar Trades forever?

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Speaker 2: Is that already shifting?

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Speaker 1: We will, of course get into all the stuff everybody loves,

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potential teams, destinations, This will be time stamped if you

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want to jump around. But we have one even more

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important question that we have to ask Grant, how the

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heck are you doing?

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Speaker 3: I already feel changed by the by the y Honest

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sweepstakes and the shifting market forces.

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Speaker 4: Don't you feel different? I feel different a new phase.

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Speaker 1: Watching Pat Spencer lead and almost come back against the

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Sixers was a spiritual experience, and I'm forever changed from

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having just seen that.

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Speaker 2: So, yes, you did you.

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Speaker 4: See the slow mo?

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Speaker 3: The Sixers broadcast kept showing it. He had a big

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three and he's like just screaming top of his lungs

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at the crowd. Did you see this, Yeah.

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Speaker 4: I'm motherfucking him.

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Speaker 3: No, Like, well, if that doesn't, if that doesn't, like,

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if you weren't entertained by that, I'm sorry, I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I don't know what you're watching.

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Speaker 1: It's just the nerve of him to say that I'm

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motherfucking him when you also for at the same time,

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have Geese Antost.

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Speaker 2: And will Richard the nerve of this, dude.

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Speaker 3: Believe in yourself, man, just like it's a superpower self belief.

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We should all we could all learn a little something

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from past Spencer.

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Speaker 4: Uh god, that was great. Uh. I checked out of

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that game.

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Speaker 3: And then there were a few texts that came in

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from a text thread about the Warriors of like it

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got competitive. It's all right, I guess I'll check back in.

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Speaker 2: I almost did not watch the fourth quarter.

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Speaker 1: Actually told our discord, Hey, go join our discord because

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I'll say things like I'm not going to watch the

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fourth quarter Warrior sixers and.

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Speaker 2: Then I'll leave it on anyway. And boy, was like

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glad that I that I did.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it got it got exciting in so far as

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a game between I don't know, I don't know. I

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don't want to lump the Sixers in there, but two

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teams that are not the best the NBA has to

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offer at.

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Speaker 2: The moment, dominate Barlows Slanders left it right. It was

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kind of cool VJ. Edgecomb getting the put back game

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winner and then Tyrese Maxie with maybe the game saving

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block the other end.

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Speaker 3: That was that was a great job by the broadcast

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crew there because they highlighted like how far he came

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from because Maxi took the shot that was airball that

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Edgecomb tipped into for the for the go ahead, and

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he's like dead in the corner and Maxi just outruns

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everybody for the chase.

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Speaker 4: Gun I was like just phenomenal, really great.

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Speaker 3: We're not here to talk about but.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna do a breakdown of the very injury decimated

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Warriors Sixers game from the other right now, we are

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here to talk about the latest Giannis Tetakupo news and

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the latest let me try.

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Speaker 2: To nutshell this. Let's see if I get it.

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Speaker 1: They Giannis is reevaluating his future again with the Bucks.

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His agent Alex Aradis is involved. This is where we

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were over the summer. Jake Fisher did report, not showing

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any whys here, that Yannis thought a deal to the

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Knicks was done fada complete in my opinion, obviously it's

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gonna happen. We're just sort of here again, and I

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don't know I understand why we're here. The reporting says

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that Yannis was sold on this idea of contention for

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this year. I had assumed him coming back was the

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Bucks are trying to be decent, but he's also kind

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of on board with a gap year and they're gonna

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wait to recalibry over next summer. Him reaching this point

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one quarter of the way through the season suggests to

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me that that was actually not the plan. I just

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have so many questions. Most of them are centered around, though,

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the timing of it. What do you sort of make

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of all this when you juxtapose it against weren't we

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just here a few months ago?

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Speaker 2: Over the all? But how are you this?

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Speaker 1: I understand evaluating your future year by year, but now

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we're reaching week by week with Giannis it feels like

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Speaker 3: So I'm glad we're having this conversation today because we

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were thinking about having it yesterday and I feel like

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I would have had a different take on it without

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the benefit of like another day to kind of mull

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it over. And I was actually gonna ask you, just

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as like a discussion prompt almost, do you think Jannis

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is being selfish?

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 3: Because like there's a way to frame it that way,

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where because of what you said, like this is all

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very familiar. This was kind of where we were over

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the summer and him deciding, for whatever reason, maybe the

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Knicks trade wasn't enough and that was the only place

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he wanted to go, and so he's like, Okay, turns

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out I'm in putting the Bucks in a position now

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where it's just harder than it would have otherwise been

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to get their fewer suitors, more teams are up against

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caps and aprons, Like it's just harder now for the

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Bucks to trade them than it would have been over

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the summer.

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Speaker 4: So is that selfish right?

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Speaker 3: Because he there's a world where like he says, hey, guys,

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it's best for both of us, obviously if we just

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get this done, let's make it happen, And you could

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argue that should happened two years ago. I'm curious what

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your answer would have been to that question, but that's

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not really the way I'm coming at it now. Well,

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because I think the way I don't want to do.

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You feel like there's two questions. Maybe you can just

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answer and then I'll say what I want to say

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after do you think it's a selfish thing? And then

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two do you think like the time to actually have

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handled all? This is not just this past summer, but

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like a couple of years ago.

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Speaker 1: I almost had to want to answer your second question first,

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which is this feels very similar to the Damian Lillard

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situation in Portland, where neither side wants to be the

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one to end this relationship and they're kind of trying

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to force the other to do it. And this is

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the closest we've come. This is Giannis Attentakompo's soft launch

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trade demand. That's how I read this.

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Speaker 2: Now.

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Speaker 1: Maybe the calf injury changes things the selfish point. You

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could look at it from the vantage point of he's

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doing this in the middle of the season, after they

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waved and stretched Damian Lowder went out and sign Myles Turner.

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This is just you should have given them the full season.

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I understand taking that stance. I'm going to counter it

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by saying, he might be doing them a favor by

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saying it, and this could actually be more of a

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not selfless, but I'm trying to look out for everybody

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involved here. The Bucks still have the opportunity to be

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bad and get a really good draft pick right now,

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because as of right now, they're not let's say they're

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not trading him to the Hawks, they trade him somewhere else,

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They're gonna get the worse of New Orleans' or their

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own pick if you don't have Giannis. And when the

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Bucks have not had Giannis this year to this point,

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they have not been good, They're still gonna like the

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worst of a Pelican's Bucks pick. If the Bucks don't

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have Giannis is a pretty damn good pick. So by

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making this decision now, if he were to do it

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in January, right before the deadline, if the Bucks are

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kind of smack dab in the middle and have lost

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valuable tanking time, and I would counter the whole And

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I did say this when people were kind of taken

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aback that oh look what they just set that money

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on fire for Damian Lillard, and it's well, yeah, if

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you don't have Giannis, if you're worried about losing him.

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What do you care about that dead money on the

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books for the next half decade.

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Speaker 2: And so it's not.

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Speaker 1: Selfless, But I don't think it's as incalculated or selfish

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as people are making it seem to where he just

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woke up and said, oh, hey, I am taking this

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week by week. I know I made the joke before

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I'm ready to get out. He might just be surveying

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the lay of the land. It's like, no, there's no,

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it's not just about this season. There's no imminent pathway

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to us contending now unless I play all eighty two games,

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and so I might as well nudge them to get

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rid of me now so they can capitalize on my value.

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Still season a half left on his contracts, So even

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if he gives them a list of one team, they

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don't have to abide by it. If you get a

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year and a half of Giannis, there will be teams

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that come in with largess offers. But what I would say,

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and this is a criticism, I think of both sides.

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I understand these things are fluid, but like, let's pick

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a lane.

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Speaker 2: Do you want to be together or not?

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Speaker 1: Because this is like if and if you both kind

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of want to move on, like just make the.

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Speaker 2: Call at this point.

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Speaker 1: It's more painful and just awkward for everybody at this point.

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Speaker 4: Right, So, a couple things. I want one.

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Speaker 3: I don't think it's a selfish decision by Yanness to

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like kind of keep the team on the hook. It's

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kind of the Lebron playbook, honestly, like over the years

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where he would apply pressure to his organization to make

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a move or like hey, fellas, like I'm on a

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one plus one, don't know if you know, so I

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know if things don't happen, I might if you don't

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go get me timofay mosgov or whatever like or just

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to take it way back, Giannis is kind of it

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hasn't been quite as like passive aggressive or however you

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want to characterize what Lebron has has kind of done

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over the years. But it was pretty clear that the

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Bucks have made a lot of moves that mortgage the

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future because they have Gianness and they want to give

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him the kind of roster he wants. Right Like, so,

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so anyway, I don't I would have asked that question

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and that would have been my approach. Yesterday we've just

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discussed it so because it's interesting, But I actually don't

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think that's because you see that a lot like Jannis

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has kind of done a disservice to the Bucks by

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whether it's getting Dame in the first place, or the

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Miles turn or whatever other moves they've made, like they're

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just continuing to make the next half decade or more

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bad because he's got this misguided belief that or whatever

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it is. Like, I don't think that's the right angle

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for this, But if you're trying to explain, like one

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of the questions over the summer was, how can Yannis

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look at this team and see a contender? If it

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is true that what he wants to do is win

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a championship wherever that is, how could he possibly look

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at this team and think that's realistic? Right, Like, no,

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none of us thought that that, Like that seemed irrational.

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And this is sort of how I absolve yanis of

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like of blame. I guess if that's even the right

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kind of way to approach this, is he has sort

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of a justifiable belief in his own like superhuman qualities,

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Like he's he just like walks around the world in

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a different way than everyone else, and in a league

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of super athletes, like he has dominated it right, Like,

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so everybody in the NBA has a degree of irrational

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thinks this way too. The Yannis is just like an

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extreme example of it, where he could look at a

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team as bad as we thought the Bucks looked, and

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as incomplete and as many holes as we he could

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look at that and be like, well, I'm on the team.

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We got a shot, right, So it's like it's much

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more he was able to convince himself quickly. I believe

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I think he sincerely thought, Okay, I'm gonna be here.

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prior to the season, right. I think he believed that

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because that level of belief in himself is like part

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of what got him to this point from where he started,

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like his life and his career, And so I don't

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feel like it's a selfish thing. I think it's just

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he can't see the landscape clearly because one of the

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things that makes him so great makes it impossible for

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him to make certain concessions like oh, we aren't good

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enough actually he needed to actually experience it through the

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first quarter of the season and see it and feel

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it and just look around at who's on the floor

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next to him and say like, Okay, it's not about

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belief anymore. It's just like we're under five hundred. There's

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no like we don't have a superstar coming off an

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injury to like reinforce things like this is what we are.

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Speaker 4: That's to me? Does that make sense to me?

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Speaker 3: That's how I see this is like, because it's so

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easy to be like nothing's changed. Why couldn't you see

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this before the season and have just like made the

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trade demand then or a year ago or whatever. I

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just think what makes him great is what makes him

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incapable of like pulling the trigger on something like this

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until it's just like it's so obvious that it like

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breaks through the fog of his of his self confidence.

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Speaker 1: Do you think the newness of the roster around him though,

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could contributed to the curiosity factor where there is that

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level of self belief, But also, well, I don't know

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what this is gonna look like with like Miles Turner

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over Brook Lopez and like we're getting more of a

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egalitarian approach from the supporting cast. And there's that the

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other element too that I don't think any of us

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have really waited enough. He doesn't want to leave Milwaukee.

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If he has his preference, he would stay there. And

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for him, maybe even more so than Damian Lillard, it's

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more difficult to bring himself to leave because he has

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already won in Milwaukee. And so because the other thing

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I was gonna ask you is, at this point, isn't

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there a chance Maybe a lot of this will depend

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on what the packages look like, and I promise we'll

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get into those later down the line.

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Speaker 2: Could the Bucks still salvage this situation?

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Speaker 1: If Giannis's will, like we just mentioned, they could still

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be bad this year, get a pretty good pick, then

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you're either bringing in this talent for the twenty twenty

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six draft, you will have the ability to trade two

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first round picks this summer in twenty thirty one and

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twenty thirty three on top of whoever you've drafted or

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wherever this pick lands. If he kind of just gets

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on board with a gap year, could you see this

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all ending or are we getting too far out in

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front by saying, well, that depends on what the offers

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might be on the table, because I think it might

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be easier to say, well, they should see what's out

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there before going like trying to salvage this situation or

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thinking that's the best route.

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Speaker 2: I just keep coming back to.

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Speaker 1: I do think some Bucks fans there have been a

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lot in our comments that just want to trade Giannis

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at this point, I kind of applaud them ripping off that,

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but because frankly, that's how this is gonna end.

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Speaker 2: I don't know what it means to hear this, this

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is how it's gonna end.

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Speaker 1: But like I've kind of seen people jumping through hoops

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of just like trying to twist themselves into a pretzle

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of why this could all still work out. Maybe it could,

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but I'm just the level of the number of things

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that need to go right. First and foremost, you need

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to sell Giannis on this being a gap year, because

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I will say the Bucks are not getting to that

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point of contention without going through this gap year getting

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that good pick, and then either are you keeping that

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player trading the other two picks and that's what you're

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forming with Gianness, or you're trading everything that's the old

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To me, is the only pathway that could make it,

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so Yiannis might see the Bucks are good enough, or

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the Bucks are acted actually in a position to be

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good enough to keep his interest would be we have

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to stomach through this gap year. And that's kind of

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what everyone was saying before this season ever started.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's interesting. So part of that rests on the

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reality that, like when we went through some hard and

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Clippers trade stuff, like the Bucks came up and we

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were talking about like what the Bucks can give up.

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So the part of what you're arguing is that they

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just don't have enough, like even if they just want

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to continue down the road they've gone down for the

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last several years trading future picks whatever to just get

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another guy in there to help you honest, it's just

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too hard to do something meaningful enough in season to

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make that kind of improvement. And you're saying, like, you know,

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at the end of the year or at the start

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of the next league year, when they can trade on

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Draft night, this this pretty good pick there probably gonna

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get Like that's when they could get the guy that

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would they could sell Yannis on as like.

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Speaker 1: Or no, we can win now, or or is it

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for them specifically, is it is it sort of the

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Damian Lillard Portland situation where remember where they ended up

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in the lottery and or they got scooted right. So

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let's say the Pelicans win the lot Let's say they

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the Pelicans and Bucks end up drafting one in two,

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which be a disaster for New Orleans quite frankly. But

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if you end up with a top three pick anyway,

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because New Orleans was so bad that their pick heads

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to Atlanta, they might say, I don't like we got

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If they end up with one of the three best

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of we have the guy, We're okay moving on from

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Giannis or like to your point, Oh.

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Speaker 3: There's two ways to salvage it. One is they get

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the guy, they get the Cooper flag, or they get

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the whoever that like, well, we now we got like

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we can sell fans on this new era. We can

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move on from Giannis because we're gonna build around. We

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found someone that's worthy of building around that isn't him.

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Or they could use that pick and some other stuff

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to get a veteran and keep doing the same, or.

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Speaker 1: Like the that there's that and then the third thing

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that you split the baby and we're sorry, where to

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split the baby come from?

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Speaker 3: Why is it why I said that, as all weird

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ass things come come from. It's a Bible thing.

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Speaker 2: Oh is it?

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Speaker 4: Yeah?

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Speaker 2: I'm biblical? Who knew it? I didn't.

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Speaker 1: So could you say, okay, we have this really, because

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if you draft someone who's good in twenty twenty six,

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if you are still dangling just your twenty thirty one

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and twenty thirty three selections with salary matching, teams are

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gonna like, that's gonna peak curiosity. And so you could say, hey,

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we have Yannis, we think this player X can contribute

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semi right away, but we're also gonna go out and

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get player X, And so it's they would just have

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more optionality if you go through this season as a

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gap year with Yannis, and I honestly thought there was

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some sort of tacit agreement as to that's what was

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gonna happen. If things started to go off the rails

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to where we haven't even mentioned the cash strain, that's

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gonna sideline him for two to four weeks.

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Speaker 2: He's not gonna be all NBA in eligible at the

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end of this.

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Speaker 1: That was kind of the scenario in my head, was

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if something like this happens, he will just be on board.

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Speaker 2: Throwing away not ideal. He's about to turn thirty one.

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying this is ideal for anyone, but if

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you're trying to make it work in Milwaukee, which is

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the guys under which they want all of us to operate,

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I thought that was the end. Which is why I

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find the timing of this just so, because it does

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seem then like he either did change his mind or

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there was some fundamental disconnect between what the organization was

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selling and what he was buying.

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Speaker 3: I gotta believe he changed his mind, because I think

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everybody's posture was we got Miles Turner, we got some shooting,

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we got Yiannis, we think we can contend in the East.

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And I think that just reality kind of crept in

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and the and that was that they can't. It does

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feel like to me, it feels like more of a

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mind change. But you could be right that, like the

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Bucks told him one thing and then the situation turned

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out to be different.

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Speaker 4: And he's out.

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Speaker 3: I do think it is important to keep in mind

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this idea though, that you're raising of. Look, I think

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I think a trade's gonna happen. I think it's just

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like it's one of those like it doesn't it have

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to like it just it's one of those things that

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like I don't know, you could throw throw whoever Trey.

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Speaker 4: Young LaMelo ball jaw like Dame years.

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Speaker 3: Ago, Like if there's just an if it happens enough,

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Like how often do these things ever resolve in like

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a you know what, We're all just gonna we're gonna

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hang together like it just I don't know, the ball

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starts rolling downhill and at some point you can't reverse

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the momentum. It just that that's how this feels to me,

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especially since we did get like a little oh it

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might happen over the summer, right like and maybe if

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the Knicks had more to give, it would have.

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Speaker 1: Uh, this is the most drawn out and some of

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it is media manufactured to be sure where they were

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people had Yannis Circle before Yannis was it. But it's

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just this is what we're two plus years now of

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Yannis having wandering eyes, maybe even three, and so it

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feels like it's been I agree with you overall, I

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just don't. I'm wondering if it's harder for the Bucks

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to let go of Jan because how much longer would

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it take you to find another Janis, You're probably never

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go And this is I'm not trying to disparage Dame here.

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The connection with Portland and the city just this equal

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to what Jannis has with Milwaukee, I'm sure.

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Speaker 3: But Dame was never as good as Yiannis. Like that's

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just so he Dame was never capable of being the

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best player on a title winning team. Yannis did that

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and has played at a level that that he could

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have been five six other seasons. Basically very different situation.

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So yeah, the Bucks, that's an interesting question.

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Speaker 4: Who is this harder for?

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Speaker 3: Like, is it harder for Yannis to say I want

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to leave Milwaukee or is it harder for the Bucks

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to say we're ready to move on from Yannis.

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Speaker 1: I think it's the for the Bucks's part, just because

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the player you can you can always say it's not

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like he. People will point out and they already have

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a look at all the Bucks did to try and

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keep him, and it's yet, no shit, he's Janice attent

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to Coopo, Like your obligation is to try and win

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with Janice attent to Cupo. For the Bucks, I think

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it's just we're never gonna get someone like him again,

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and if it is, it's gonna be fifty years from now.

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Speaker 3: Right, And like the distance between Kareem and Yannis is

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like the distance between the honest and the next guy.

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Speaker 1: And the other thing would be While this isn't fair

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for us, this as a reason to why Gianna should

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feel obligated to the Bucks. The Bucks have to look

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and say, like, look at what we've done to like

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really try and float this Yannis thing further.

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Speaker 2: But I don't it would be different for them.

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Speaker 1: The fact that they haven't traded more future first round

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equity twenty thirty one, the twenty thirty two, like, haven't

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touched those.

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Speaker 2: It just makes it.

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Speaker 1: This is the point of where it's it's gonna be

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messy because of how long it's taken to get here,

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but we're kind of at the crossroads of this can

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be a pretty clean break to where you haven't doubled

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down again. You did the Dame thing and then you

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never really did anything nuclear after that.

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Speaker 2: Everybody can move.

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Speaker 1: On and you're gonna get up a haul for Giannis.

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The timing of this is also it's may. It probably

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would have been better to move him over the offseason,

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but it's better to move him now than this summer,

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because teams that aren't on his preferred list they are

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still going to come. We have eighteen months to so

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Jannis on sticking around. They are going to be It's

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it's a lot different than just oh, we only have

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one season.

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Speaker 3: M m h yeah, no, I think, I mean it

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feels it feels funny after in light of like the

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00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:20,680
Bucks waved and stretched Damian Lillard, like that's a crazy

478
00:21:21,599 --> 00:21:25,079
outlay to just I don't know, just again, it's part

479
00:21:25,119 --> 00:21:27,839
of the series of moves to to sort of give

480
00:21:27,880 --> 00:21:30,880
them the possibility of surrounding Honus with enough win noow talent,

481
00:21:30,960 --> 00:21:34,240
Like I think the Bucks can say we did everything

482
00:21:34,240 --> 00:21:36,839
we feasibly could have to make this work for you,

483
00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:38,880
honest and so like they can kind of if they

484
00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:42,000
want to make the break they like nobody's gonna be

485
00:21:42,039 --> 00:21:44,599
able to tell them like you didn't try hard enough,

486
00:21:44,640 --> 00:21:46,240
Like you know, this comes up when we talk about

487
00:21:46,279 --> 00:21:48,920
the Warriors sometimes or other teams. It's like go now,

488
00:21:49,200 --> 00:21:51,240
go now. The Bucks have been going now for a

489
00:21:51,319 --> 00:21:53,519
really long time, Like it's almost to the point of

490
00:21:53,519 --> 00:21:56,319
like it's unbelievable how many years in a row they've

491
00:21:56,359 --> 00:21:59,960
like they've tried to do this, so like it's kind

492
00:21:59,960 --> 00:22:02,880
of like the reverse of the Clippers tear down hypothetical

493
00:22:02,920 --> 00:22:05,000
of like, man, there's a lot of people to blame here,

494
00:22:05,240 --> 00:22:08,720
where it's like Yannis just is kind of loyal and

495
00:22:08,799 --> 00:22:11,519
believes in himself and the team and stuck it out

496
00:22:11,559 --> 00:22:13,440
longer than most people in a situation.

497
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Speaker 4: Would have, and the Bucks.

498
00:22:14,440 --> 00:22:16,920
Speaker 3: Tried their best to like make it work, and it's

499
00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:18,559
cool if they want to split, you know what I mean.

500
00:22:18,599 --> 00:22:20,079
I think you're pointing to that a little bit of

501
00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:23,599
like there's nobody to blame here. Everybody's done their best,

502
00:22:23,640 --> 00:22:25,839
like and came at it from a like a good place.

503
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Speaker 1: And this leads me into what would be the big

504
00:22:29,240 --> 00:22:32,200
question because you start to get into now everyone's like, okay,

505
00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,799
well what about packages and what teams make the most sense?

506
00:22:35,279 --> 00:22:39,400
The team that Yannis has been linked to the most

507
00:22:40,000 --> 00:22:42,400
is the New York Knicks because they were apparently on

508
00:22:42,559 --> 00:22:48,039
his preferred list of destinations, which, okay, sure, like if

509
00:22:48,039 --> 00:22:49,799
you want to play with Jalen Brunson in New York,

510
00:22:49,799 --> 00:22:54,000
and like, I totally get that, the Knicks arguably make

511
00:22:54,079 --> 00:22:57,319
the least sense for the Bucks of any single team

512
00:22:57,359 --> 00:22:59,599
that could make a Yannice Attenta Koombo offer because you

513
00:22:59,599 --> 00:23:03,440
could get it. They're like the Honestly, they probably do

514
00:23:03,519 --> 00:23:05,680
make the least sense of any team. For the Bucks, well,

515
00:23:05,680 --> 00:23:07,480
I'm just trying to think of who is more, who

516
00:23:07,519 --> 00:23:11,599
has fewer? The Knicks can't cannot trade a single first

517
00:23:11,680 --> 00:23:13,440
round pick right now, they can trade up to two

518
00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:16,200
over the summer. Is there another team that is that

519
00:23:16,400 --> 00:23:18,880
down bad when it comes to putting together a package

520
00:23:18,880 --> 00:23:19,440
for rannest?

521
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Speaker 3: I mean, who's got the Sons? Like the Sons that

522
00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:24,160
have no control over their picks.

523
00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:26,240
Speaker 1: But even then it's like if yeah, and they're not

524
00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:30,039
gonna give up, So yeah, the Suns maybe, but no, this.

525
00:23:30,000 --> 00:23:32,319
Speaker 3: Is where that conversation with because we'll talk about the

526
00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:36,000
Knicks because they've been talked about, but like there's no

527
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:41,079
scenario where they have the fifth best offer for your

528
00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:44,839
honest like, it's it's just they're in the conversation because

529
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:48,680
Giannis seems to want to be there and if he is, like,

530
00:23:48,799 --> 00:23:50,720
this is where it could turn a little uglier as

531
00:23:50,720 --> 00:23:53,160
if he says Nicks or nothing and the Bucks just

532
00:23:53,200 --> 00:23:55,079
can't you know, you get a stalemate that way because

533
00:23:55,079 --> 00:23:58,119
the Bucks are like We've got twenty eight other offers

534
00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:00,880
that are better than what the Knicks are offered. So

535
00:24:01,240 --> 00:24:03,359
how are you gonna do us like this now after

536
00:24:03,400 --> 00:24:05,359
we've you know, that could make it messy.

537
00:24:05,440 --> 00:24:06,079
Speaker 4: I just I don't.

538
00:24:06,160 --> 00:24:07,680
Speaker 3: I don't think the Knicks are realistic for like a

539
00:24:07,799 --> 00:24:08,559
hundred reasons.

540
00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:12,680
Speaker 1: In my totally like unbiased opinion, I think he should

541
00:24:12,720 --> 00:24:14,440
absolutely say that it's rights or bust.

542
00:24:14,480 --> 00:24:15,000
Speaker 4: We understand.

543
00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:18,559
Speaker 1: But but so here's but here's what's interesting. And so now,

544
00:24:18,680 --> 00:24:21,319
because Yanna's name checked to the Knicks, you've seen a

545
00:24:21,319 --> 00:24:25,119
lot of well, the Knicks, they can't do this if

546
00:24:25,160 --> 00:24:27,440
it's they can't just give up everything to get you honest.

547
00:24:27,440 --> 00:24:30,440
And then the response, naturally is what your face was

548
00:24:30,559 --> 00:24:33,680
just now, No, you you've already mortgaged the future. You

549
00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:36,839
give up everything to get you honest. Here's my counter

550
00:24:36,960 --> 00:24:41,359
to that one. Your your reaction is right short of

551
00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,720
trading Jalen Brunton, because the whole idea would be to

552
00:24:43,759 --> 00:24:46,160
pair those two together. The Knicks do not have a

553
00:24:46,279 --> 00:24:49,400
leg on which to stand if they're just gonna say

554
00:24:49,440 --> 00:24:53,319
no like in theory. But as the Knicks, you do

555
00:24:53,480 --> 00:24:57,359
have to look at we're pretty shallow. Now even though

556
00:24:57,359 --> 00:25:01,480
we're deeper than last season. If we're con solidating into Giannis,

557
00:25:02,039 --> 00:25:05,440
how are we much better off short or long term?

558
00:25:05,559 --> 00:25:08,000
How much better off can you actually get now? The

559
00:25:08,039 --> 00:25:10,240
idea of having Giannis and Brunson, your ceiling is just

560
00:25:10,319 --> 00:25:13,720
higher than if you have McHale Bridges, O Giananobi and Brunson.

561
00:25:14,119 --> 00:25:17,759
But the extra steps that come with having Giannis where

562
00:25:18,119 --> 00:25:21,119
even in a league where we're seeing more of these

563
00:25:21,960 --> 00:25:24,759
dual big lineups where both of the bigs or non shooters,

564
00:25:25,039 --> 00:25:27,079
Joannice kind of needs to have a floor spacing rim

565
00:25:27,119 --> 00:25:29,599
protector around him to be maximized. So you have to

566
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,920
factor that into the equation. You also have to realize, well,

567
00:25:32,920 --> 00:25:35,799
we're already expensive. We have we'll have some picks to

568
00:25:35,839 --> 00:25:38,599
trade this offseason, but who are we gonna go out

569
00:25:38,640 --> 00:25:38,960
and get.

570
00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:40,519
Speaker 2: We're not gonna have any money to spend.

571
00:25:40,559 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 1: They might they're gonna be up against second Apron concerns,

572
00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:44,599
they might not even have the mini mle.

573
00:25:44,839 --> 00:25:46,640
Speaker 2: So I look at it from the Knicker. If you're

574
00:25:46,680 --> 00:25:48,279
the Knicks, you have to say we can.

575
00:25:48,400 --> 00:25:50,119
Speaker 1: There has to be a line to where no, we

576
00:25:50,160 --> 00:25:53,039
can't give up both og and McHale Bridges because who's

577
00:25:53,039 --> 00:25:55,400
what Jannice is gonna guard the ball all of a sudden,

578
00:25:55,400 --> 00:25:58,720
in especially if deduced McBride is being sent out go ahead.

579
00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,200
Speaker 3: I was just gonna say no, I'm I mean so normally,

580
00:26:01,599 --> 00:26:04,640
and I almost said it was if you're the Knicks

581
00:26:05,000 --> 00:26:08,400
and you're yet like the depth is you sure concerning?

582
00:26:08,720 --> 00:26:10,960
But if you can get Giannis and pair him with Brunson,

583
00:26:11,000 --> 00:26:13,720
you figure out the rest later. But what we're going

584
00:26:13,799 --> 00:26:15,640
to talk about a lot today is like, maybe that's

585
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,119
the wrong way to build a team now because of

586
00:26:18,160 --> 00:26:19,200
how things are changing.

587
00:26:19,599 --> 00:26:21,720
Speaker 1: And to that end, I think it's easier for the

588
00:26:21,799 --> 00:26:23,960
Knicks to take what your stance was, just do it

589
00:26:24,000 --> 00:26:26,759
and figure out the rest later because you're already well

590
00:26:26,799 --> 00:26:28,359
no it's not just because you're the Knicks, but you've

591
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,359
already just set all of your future first round like

592
00:26:31,440 --> 00:26:34,079
equity on fire at this point. But for teams that

593
00:26:34,160 --> 00:26:36,480
haven't yet, this is the question that's kind of springing

594
00:26:36,519 --> 00:26:40,119
to mind for me, is are we past the point

595
00:26:40,240 --> 00:26:43,759
where you're going to invest so so much pick equity

596
00:26:43,799 --> 00:26:47,400
in a singular player, especially at a certain point in

597
00:26:47,440 --> 00:26:49,880
their career. Because the question that you and I bounced around,

598
00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,559
which was one of the catalysts for this podcast that

599
00:26:52,559 --> 00:26:57,079
we're having right now. What's the last superstar trade age

600
00:26:57,160 --> 00:27:00,680
thirty or older that just worked out where you saw them.

601
00:27:00,519 --> 00:27:01,880
Speaker 2: Give up everything?

602
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:04,720
Speaker 1: You could say some people argue that, oh, the Rudy

603
00:27:04,759 --> 00:27:08,039
Gobert Donovan Mitchell trades haven't panned out, and one they

604
00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,680
were younger than Giannis is now at the time. And

605
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,400
also the Timberwolves made consecutive conference finals. And I'm not

606
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,880
writing like Cleveland is still my pick to come out

607
00:27:15,920 --> 00:27:18,839
of the East this season. I don't like the Kevin

608
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,960
Durant stuff has like not worked a couple of times.

609
00:27:22,279 --> 00:27:24,880
Now you look at like what it like, I guess

610
00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:28,480
the Mavericks trading for Anthony David special circumstance that hasn't

611
00:27:28,480 --> 00:27:31,400
worked out obviously, And so you get to a point

612
00:27:31,480 --> 00:27:36,559
to where, because superstars reorient the way you play so much,

613
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:39,519
is it almost I don't want to say.

614
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:40,119
Speaker 2: It's a better idea.

615
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:43,240
Speaker 1: Is it easier to say we're gonna give up what

616
00:27:43,279 --> 00:27:46,079
we did for Desmond Bane than what it would take

617
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,359
to get Jannis And then the other thing there the

618
00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:51,240
second part, and this is where I really want your

619
00:27:51,279 --> 00:27:54,279
input on, just given what we've kind of seen the

620
00:27:54,319 --> 00:27:59,200
emphasis around the league on certain trends depth, offensive rebounding,

621
00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:01,240
which is not that's not a star thing.

622
00:28:01,319 --> 00:28:04,160
Speaker 2: Who's a superstar that offensive rebounds right, Like.

623
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 4: We've decided to do this is right? What that is?

624
00:28:07,079 --> 00:28:09,720
Speaker 1: And then if you want the depth is important because

625
00:28:10,200 --> 00:28:12,079
of one, you want to be able to play different ways,

626
00:28:12,119 --> 00:28:14,319
because despite what people say, the NBA is not a

627
00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:18,119
homogeneous league stylistically. And two, if you want to do

628
00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,119
all this full court pressing, all this crazy defensive shit,

629
00:28:21,240 --> 00:28:24,559
or play offense at a quick clip, you probably shouldn't

630
00:28:24,559 --> 00:28:27,640
be having guys out there for Nick Nurse minutes per game.

631
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:33,160
So investing in a superstar looking at it through that lens,

632
00:28:33,279 --> 00:28:35,799
especially as a copycat league which saw the Pacers kind

633
00:28:35,799 --> 00:28:37,759
of do it for three years whatever it was, and

634
00:28:37,799 --> 00:28:41,119
now we're just seeing more of it pepper throughout the league. Grant,

635
00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,200
is it just more prohibitive than ever? And this is

636
00:28:44,240 --> 00:28:46,920
nothing of the Aprons and like juggling, like roster building

637
00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:50,440
after the fact, is it more prohibitive than ever as

638
00:28:50,519 --> 00:28:54,960
any sort of team to go all in on one player?

639
00:28:55,799 --> 00:28:58,359
Speaker 3: I think there's so many ways to go here. I

640
00:28:58,359 --> 00:29:01,519
think the first thing that jumps to mind is that.

641
00:29:04,000 --> 00:29:06,680
I think you're it's pretty clear that trading for the

642
00:29:06,720 --> 00:29:10,839
post thirty superstar unless it's I guess like I would

643
00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:13,400
what would you point would you point to, like Lebron

644
00:29:13,759 --> 00:29:15,680
coming back to Cleveland? I don't even know if he

645
00:29:15,759 --> 00:29:19,720
was thirty then for the second time or Lebron.

646
00:29:20,119 --> 00:29:22,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's not like a that's.

647
00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:24,599
Speaker 3: Not the kind of trade package we're even really talking

648
00:29:24,599 --> 00:29:28,559
about now. Like Harden is another one that teams have

649
00:29:28,599 --> 00:29:31,160
given up a ton for past thirty, and it's just

650
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:32,880
it just hasn't worked anywhere.

651
00:29:33,720 --> 00:29:36,359
Speaker 2: That was Lebron's age thirty season. Okay, anyway, he also

652
00:29:36,559 --> 00:29:38,759
I can't even remember what was that package, like, or

653
00:29:38,759 --> 00:29:40,279
did he just get traded? He just signed?

654
00:29:40,279 --> 00:29:41,319
Speaker 4: He signed, right, and.

655
00:29:41,279 --> 00:29:43,920
Speaker 3: Then they do the the the Kevin Love deal that

656
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,559
involves Wiggins or the pick that was all this other Yeah, right,

657
00:29:46,640 --> 00:29:48,960
So that's not it. That's that's not an example of

658
00:29:49,319 --> 00:29:50,200
what we're talking about.

659
00:29:50,559 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 1: No, you're right, I think it's is it Kevin Durant,

660
00:29:53,240 --> 00:29:57,079
It's Kevin Durant to Phoenix, except Giannis is younger and

661
00:29:57,400 --> 00:29:58,039
yeah better.

662
00:29:59,079 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, I I think I saw someone pointed out the

663
00:30:01,759 --> 00:30:04,960
other day that if Joannis were to be traded. Uh,

664
00:30:05,079 --> 00:30:06,960
it would be, well, he can't make all in, he

665
00:30:07,000 --> 00:30:09,359
won't make All NBA probably, but like basically, you don't

666
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:12,680
see all NBA players traded in season almost ever.

667
00:30:13,400 --> 00:30:16,240
Speaker 1: Can I interject with something completely random that you just

668
00:30:16,319 --> 00:30:19,039
made me think of? Johannis isn't going to be eligible

669
00:30:19,039 --> 00:30:22,240
for All NBA, Tatum Hallie already gone, j dub gone.

670
00:30:22,319 --> 00:30:25,240
Lebron's not going to hit that threshold. Well, Steph hit

671
00:30:25,279 --> 00:30:26,480
that threshold at this point he.

672
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:27,319
Speaker 2: Seven absences in.

673
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:32,240
Speaker 1: Maybe would it not be utterly hysterical if both Lugadntrich

674
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:33,839
and Jalen Brunson made first team.

675
00:30:33,680 --> 00:30:36,720
Speaker 2: All NBA just as a Mavericks fan like that.

676
00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 4: Oh, we'd have to do a separate podcast on that.

677
00:30:41,039 --> 00:30:42,640
Speaker 1: I'm not making fun of MAVs fans there, I'm just

678
00:30:42,680 --> 00:30:44,400
saying that's got to be that kind of you gave

679
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:46,240
up these dudes and like what are you left?

680
00:30:46,519 --> 00:30:48,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, but they got so much, they got so many

681
00:30:48,319 --> 00:30:49,759
first round picks for the both of them.

682
00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 2: That's Christy is generation talent.

683
00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:54,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, correct, No, Okay, so there's that, there's that part

684
00:30:54,359 --> 00:30:58,000
of it, there's the it's maybe it's just generally regardless

685
00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:59,640
of what we think is happening to the NBA like

686
00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,519
tactic and like trend wise and asset management wise, like

687
00:31:02,519 --> 00:31:04,759
it's probably just a bad idea to trade a bunch

688
00:31:04,759 --> 00:31:07,160
of stuff for someone over thirty, like full stop, I

689
00:31:07,160 --> 00:31:12,240
guess if it's a superstar, I do think I love

690
00:31:12,279 --> 00:31:17,279
the idea of asking whether you know we've seen like

691
00:31:17,400 --> 00:31:20,680
just I don't know. Miami's an example, Portland's an example, Toronto,

692
00:31:20,759 --> 00:31:23,720
like all these teams that are just playing Houston.

693
00:31:24,079 --> 00:31:25,519
Speaker 4: Not to say none of these teams don't.

694
00:31:25,319 --> 00:31:28,359
Speaker 3: Have stars, but it's like the way they play is

695
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:31,640
kind of more definitive of who they are than any

696
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,799
single player. Maybe, like I don't know, Alprin Shangoon might

697
00:31:34,839 --> 00:31:38,400
have something to say about that. But so so then

698
00:31:38,720 --> 00:31:41,559
if you're asking, like should you just not give up

699
00:31:41,599 --> 00:31:44,720
as much for a Yannis a type player in so

700
00:31:44,839 --> 00:31:48,599
far as there are any, like it's tempting to say yes,

701
00:31:48,799 --> 00:31:51,480
Like the market is shifted a little bit, and you've

702
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:53,519
got to be more careful with those types of trades

703
00:31:53,559 --> 00:31:56,440
and what you're willing to give up for someone like Giannis.

704
00:31:56,440 --> 00:31:59,799
That would just change everything about how you play, just redefine.

705
00:31:59,839 --> 00:32:01,920
I mean, you could extend that to like LaMelo or

706
00:32:01,960 --> 00:32:07,359
even Trey Young or whoever. But isn't the pushback that Yeah,

707
00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:11,400
like the games changing teams are hacking pace and offensive

708
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,680
rebounds and full court pressure and depth and all this

709
00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:16,880
like the Pacers of it all from last season. But then, like,

710
00:32:17,440 --> 00:32:19,319
I don't know, what's the last team to make a

711
00:32:19,359 --> 00:32:22,680
conference finals, let alone win a title that didn't have

712
00:32:22,720 --> 00:32:24,680
someone you could like squint and say that's a top

713
00:32:24,720 --> 00:32:28,279
five player. So the isn't the guy we're talking about?

714
00:32:28,599 --> 00:32:32,680
The Jannis in this hypothetical still just a necessary component

715
00:32:32,720 --> 00:32:35,359
of the whole operation, And if you don't have that,

716
00:32:35,759 --> 00:32:38,200
what are you even doing? So therefore, you should just

717
00:32:38,240 --> 00:32:40,039
give up everything you can't to get that guy and

718
00:32:40,079 --> 00:32:41,119
figure out the rest later.

719
00:32:41,759 --> 00:32:44,720
Speaker 1: My counterpoint to that would be, of the teams that

720
00:32:44,759 --> 00:32:48,119
are winning these titles, how many of them have ever

721
00:32:48,279 --> 00:32:51,480
needed to trade for the best player on their team,

722
00:32:51,519 --> 00:32:53,680
and if they did, how much they need to give up?

723
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:55,880
So Shan with Okac is just no one expected them

724
00:32:55,920 --> 00:32:57,960
to be that, but they got stuff that was them

725
00:32:58,000 --> 00:33:01,319
trading to even Kawhian's Rono, Yeah they traded for him,

726
00:33:01,559 --> 00:33:04,960
but they gave up like that that was the leverage situation.

727
00:33:05,119 --> 00:33:06,839
It's just no one knew what he was health wise.

728
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:08,440
Everyone thought he was gonna leave to go to LA

729
00:33:08,519 --> 00:33:10,440
the following year, so they didn't give up a ton

730
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:13,680
to get him. It's even just you know, continuing through

731
00:33:13,680 --> 00:33:15,720
the Knicks lens because they were just the inspiration of

732
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,480
by no means is it rational to say, well, we're

733
00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:21,079
not giving up O g Ananobi, or we're not giving

734
00:33:21,119 --> 00:33:23,440
up Towns, or we're not giving up Mickailber's and Yanna's trade.

735
00:33:23,559 --> 00:33:26,160
But I understand the logic, even the Knicks, the way

736
00:33:26,160 --> 00:33:28,920
they've built their team, Like it's just when's the last

737
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:32,319
time a team is gutted its own like sort of

738
00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:35,279
draft stable doesn't have this premier homegrown guy on the

739
00:33:35,359 --> 00:33:38,160
roster and won a championship.

740
00:33:37,599 --> 00:33:40,920
Speaker 3: Right right, So like the question of Lebron, who's the

741
00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:44,400
title winner? That made a trade that you could even

742
00:33:44,440 --> 00:33:47,799
compare to a potential Yanni's trade this season, Like who's

743
00:33:47,839 --> 00:33:48,279
the let.

744
00:33:48,920 --> 00:33:51,839
Speaker 2: Is it David with La? That's the that's the because

745
00:33:51,839 --> 00:33:53,519
they gave up a bunch of stuff for Davis.

746
00:33:54,279 --> 00:33:57,599
Speaker 3: But but even then, like the yeah, what was that package?

747
00:33:57,640 --> 00:33:58,960
Even though that was a pretty yeah, that was a

748
00:33:58,960 --> 00:33:59,880
pretty heavy one card.

749
00:34:00,640 --> 00:34:02,559
Speaker 1: Kuzmo was in there, they end up getting the pick

750
00:34:02,599 --> 00:34:05,079
that was that was DeAndre Hunter's pick was in there.

751
00:34:05,240 --> 00:34:09,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, Ingram's in that deal, right right, Yeah.

752
00:34:10,039 --> 00:34:13,000
Speaker 3: I mean maybe that's the exception that proves the rule,

753
00:34:13,159 --> 00:34:15,000
or maybe that is just like the blueprint.

754
00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:15,360
Speaker 4: I don't know.

755
00:34:15,360 --> 00:34:17,599
Speaker 3: It's interesting because like if you look at some of

756
00:34:17,639 --> 00:34:20,480
the teams that Giannis might go to, like Atlanta comes

757
00:34:20,519 --> 00:34:22,559
to mind, like people, I feel like I've read that

758
00:34:23,559 --> 00:34:25,920
Atlanta would be regarded as the favorites come out of

759
00:34:25,960 --> 00:34:27,679
the East if you added Giannis, And it's like, yeah,

760
00:34:27,679 --> 00:34:30,480
that sounds right, just in assuming you know, just who

761
00:34:30,480 --> 00:34:33,000
knows what they would have to give up specifically, But

762
00:34:33,159 --> 00:34:36,800
like the precedent for that being true just is Davis

763
00:34:36,840 --> 00:34:38,639
and what else. Like it's there aren't a lot of

764
00:34:38,679 --> 00:34:42,039
examples of that kind of trade leading to the result

765
00:34:42,239 --> 00:34:45,280
you assume it would lead to. So like when you

766
00:34:45,280 --> 00:34:47,920
think about, like I don't know, think about like going

767
00:34:47,960 --> 00:34:51,639
way back the the Rockets when they repeat as champs,

768
00:34:51,639 --> 00:34:54,519
they get Clyde Drexler, like he's clearly their second best

769
00:34:54,519 --> 00:34:57,480
player on that team, or like Rashid Wallace to the

770
00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,639
Pistons is the other like mid season trade that's like,

771
00:35:00,679 --> 00:35:03,079
oh my god, that made all Usually they're I mean

772
00:35:03,440 --> 00:35:06,880
exceptionally talented, not their best player probably right, like you

773
00:35:06,920 --> 00:35:09,239
might say that's Ben Wallace or Chauncey Billups or whatever.

774
00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:13,480
So like that level there, there's there's a precedent for

775
00:35:13,599 --> 00:35:16,760
that level of trade, like propelling you to a championship.

776
00:35:17,119 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 4: It's really harder, much harder.

777
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:21,639
Speaker 3: To find the the like if you're Atlanta and you're like,

778
00:35:21,639 --> 00:35:23,159
we could win a title if we get you, honest,

779
00:35:23,199 --> 00:35:26,039
it's like maybe, but like there's unless you think the

780
00:35:26,079 --> 00:35:28,599
Anthony Davis trade is like how it works every time?

781
00:35:29,159 --> 00:35:29,559
Speaker 4: I don't know.

782
00:35:29,639 --> 00:35:31,679
Speaker 3: And then to your point, so then what's it worth

783
00:35:31,679 --> 00:35:33,920
to give up for that guy? If if it's like

784
00:35:34,079 --> 00:35:36,039
odds are it won't get you the title you think

785
00:35:36,079 --> 00:35:38,679
you're gonna get because it's the home it's the Shades,

786
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:41,920
it's Jokics, it's it's Detroit has Kate Cunningham. Now that's

787
00:35:41,960 --> 00:35:45,119
a homegrown guy that gave up nothing except many many

788
00:35:45,639 --> 00:35:48,599
losses together, Like, well, you can always pay in losses.

789
00:35:48,679 --> 00:35:50,360
Speaker 4: That's the best thing. That's the best currency.

790
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 1: That's the argument against what we're just we're just asking

791
00:35:54,039 --> 00:35:58,840
questions here. This is an that is you have to

792
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:00,800
think in the short term, if you're good enough to

793
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:03,760
an extent, because when are you gonna have this chance

794
00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,079
to win a title again? My counter to that would

795
00:36:06,079 --> 00:36:09,920
be the Oklahoma City Thunder exists, And is there a team, like,

796
00:36:10,039 --> 00:36:12,639
just looking at this era of basketball that you put

797
00:36:12,679 --> 00:36:15,800
Giannis on and let's assume the trade package, you look

798
00:36:15,840 --> 00:36:17,639
at it and say, oh, like they made out pretty well,

799
00:36:17,719 --> 00:36:19,480
that's less than a little less than I thought that

800
00:36:19,519 --> 00:36:21,599
you like, he went for Karl Anthony Town straight up.

801
00:36:21,880 --> 00:36:24,559
Speaker 2: I was just so you're you're feeling that way about

802
00:36:24,599 --> 00:36:25,039
the package.

803
00:36:25,079 --> 00:36:26,559
Speaker 1: What is the team you put him on where you

804
00:36:26,599 --> 00:36:30,800
would say, oh, that's a team that's on par with

805
00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:31,800
Oklahoma City.

806
00:36:32,239 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 2: I don't I don't have one.

807
00:36:34,800 --> 00:36:35,559
Speaker 4: Well that's I.

808
00:36:35,519 --> 00:36:39,719
Speaker 1: Mean, if they don't have to give up Shanekun or

809
00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:41,280
Amen Thompson or Kevin Durant.

810
00:36:41,599 --> 00:36:44,039
Speaker 3: Even then you still got questions, right Like even then,

811
00:36:44,119 --> 00:36:47,719
it's it's you're asking fit questions. You're asking like, what's okay,

812
00:36:47,760 --> 00:36:49,039
what's the share of touches?

813
00:36:49,079 --> 00:36:49,719
Speaker 2: Look like? Now?

814
00:36:50,159 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 3: I think like the counter to that, we're just doing

815
00:36:53,440 --> 00:36:55,960
a lot of countering. I don't think that can be

816
00:36:57,559 --> 00:37:01,440
a factor because, like I mean, I was thinking the

817
00:37:01,480 --> 00:37:04,079
other day, like I don't know that the Kawhi Leonard

818
00:37:04,119 --> 00:37:06,559
led the Toronto Raptors to a title over the Warriors,

819
00:37:06,599 --> 00:37:09,360
because the Warriors fell apart like Clay Thompson blew out

820
00:37:09,400 --> 00:37:12,400
his knee and Kevin duranb But like I'm not saying, like,

821
00:37:12,639 --> 00:37:15,519
it's just like you can look pretty indomitable until you

822
00:37:15,559 --> 00:37:18,480
are eminently beatable. Like so not to say that the

823
00:37:18,519 --> 00:37:20,840
Thunder are so much younger, and it's just a different

824
00:37:20,880 --> 00:37:22,320
situation and it's like they.

825
00:37:22,199 --> 00:37:25,079
Speaker 1: Seem more stable in every way Brandon Jaleen Williams. They've

826
00:37:25,199 --> 00:37:27,440
risked chat Homer's deal with a bunch of different stuff an.

827
00:37:28,079 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 3: Right, So so I guess my cop out answer your

828
00:37:30,559 --> 00:37:33,159
question is like, I, well, one, I don't I don't

829
00:37:33,159 --> 00:37:34,719
think there's a team you put you Honis on that

830
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:36,800
could realistically get him and give up what it would

831
00:37:36,840 --> 00:37:39,039
cost to get him. And you say like they're on

832
00:37:39,119 --> 00:37:40,960
toe to toe with the Thunder fully healthy, like.

833
00:37:40,920 --> 00:37:41,760
Speaker 4: No doubt about it.

834
00:37:42,199 --> 00:37:44,800
Speaker 3: But I think, like that can't be that can't be

835
00:37:44,880 --> 00:37:47,639
your bar because because if if the Thunder are healthy,

836
00:37:47,679 --> 00:37:49,360
then it's just like well, like I said last time

837
00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,599
we talked, it's like it's kind of impossible to play

838
00:37:51,639 --> 00:37:55,199
better than them based on his historical precedent. So like, yeah,

839
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:57,480
we're all playing for second, but things happen, you know,

840
00:37:57,599 --> 00:38:00,320
so that that wouldn't be a factor for me. I'm

841
00:38:00,480 --> 00:38:03,920
I'm I'm most interested in your because this was kind

842
00:38:03,960 --> 00:38:07,199
of your like you came with in pain. Because there's

843
00:38:07,360 --> 00:38:10,760
thinking so many different thoughts. Do you I want you

844
00:38:10,800 --> 00:38:13,679
to kind of like break down to me the some

845
00:38:13,760 --> 00:38:17,440
of the idea of just the way the game is

846
00:38:17,480 --> 00:38:20,400
being played? Now are you saying that it's not just

847
00:38:20,480 --> 00:38:22,400
the trade package and the assets you give up for

848
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:26,800
a player like Giannis, it's the the payoff itself isn't

849
00:38:26,840 --> 00:38:31,119
as great because of the way team the different ways

850
00:38:31,480 --> 00:38:34,039
that teams are using to win. Now, like here's the

851
00:38:34,039 --> 00:38:36,199
Pacers last year as an example, they had Haliburton, who

852
00:38:36,280 --> 00:38:38,960
you know, I believe is five player.

853
00:38:39,039 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 2: But what different this is?

854
00:38:40,480 --> 00:38:42,920
Speaker 1: So Yiannis is better than these players I'm about to name,

855
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:45,039
So like, look, let's look at Halliburton as the example.

856
00:38:45,079 --> 00:38:50,280
What differentiates Tyre's Haliburton from Trey Young Jah Moran specifically?

857
00:38:50,280 --> 00:38:52,079
I mean, I think LaMelo ball is basically on par

858
00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:57,199
with you know, prime Lebron but stuff, But what differentiates

859
00:38:57,199 --> 00:38:59,480
Tyre's haliburt from a lot of those or just a

860
00:38:59,480 --> 00:39:02,440
lot of trade stars in general, is he is more

861
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:05,559
The way he plays is going to be more scalable.

862
00:39:05,559 --> 00:39:06,880
And I know he played on the ball a lot

863
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:08,599
in Indiana, but there's a lot of things he was

864
00:39:08,639 --> 00:39:11,119
doing off the ball that we have never seen Trey

865
00:39:11,199 --> 00:39:13,519
Young do off the wire. Jah Morant was stationed off

866
00:39:13,559 --> 00:39:15,760
the ball last year and he pouted for a few months.

867
00:39:16,480 --> 00:39:17,960
He was on the ball this year and pouted too,

868
00:39:17,960 --> 00:39:19,559
So I don't really know what's gonna make him happy there,

869
00:39:20,159 --> 00:39:22,960
even LaMelo. That's when LaMelo takes a catch and shoot three,

870
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:23,800
and he's taken more of.

871
00:39:23,719 --> 00:39:24,239
Speaker 2: Them this year.

872
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 1: It's man that that feels good, and it also feels foreign,

873
00:39:27,840 --> 00:39:30,119
and a lot of that's more personnel based in his situation.

874
00:39:30,559 --> 00:39:34,320
Speaker 2: I think even we're kind of the view on those guys.

875
00:39:34,119 --> 00:39:37,000
Speaker 1: Isn't it almost feeling like a little bit of an

876
00:39:37,039 --> 00:39:40,639
extension of how we've come to view guards who can't

877
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,800
run the offense or play wing spots. You're not viewing

878
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:48,039
them as one dimensional, but you're building your teams differently.

879
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,559
And so it's yes, when there's a Luca, all things

880
00:39:51,599 --> 00:39:54,119
are gonna run through Luca, but even Luca in Dallas

881
00:39:54,159 --> 00:39:56,159
and what we're what we've seen in LA because of

882
00:39:56,199 --> 00:39:58,880
reason now that Lebron is back, that's not even gonna

883
00:39:58,920 --> 00:40:01,559
be someone who should be p Helio centric. What are

884
00:40:01,599 --> 00:40:03,840
the Knicks kind of finding out with Jalen Brunson that no,

885
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,079
we should he shouldn't be are all he's still there

886
00:40:06,119 --> 00:40:08,280
all everything, but maybe we should get this guy from

887
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,360
catching shoot threes or have mckel bridges bring the ball

888
00:40:10,440 --> 00:40:13,320
up a little bit more. There's there's different levels to it,

889
00:40:13,400 --> 00:40:15,960
but the way that it feels like offenses are being run.

890
00:40:16,639 --> 00:40:19,440
I don't want to go as far as egalitarian, but

891
00:40:19,480 --> 00:40:22,039
there's more complexity to the way a lot of these

892
00:40:22,039 --> 00:40:24,400
shots are being generated. And I don't look at any

893
00:40:24,679 --> 00:40:26,480
I'm trying to think of the number of teams right now.

894
00:40:26,519 --> 00:40:29,360
I look at and you could pinpoint, yes, there's a team,

895
00:40:29,679 --> 00:40:31,880
there's plenty of teams. You lose one player, it's over,

896
00:40:32,239 --> 00:40:35,880
But like, how many teams are just all in on

897
00:40:36,079 --> 00:40:39,760
like one singular guy as they're entirely like even the

898
00:40:39,840 --> 00:40:42,880
Nuggets with Jokic because you have drumont Like, there's just

899
00:40:43,039 --> 00:40:46,800
different there's different levels to that pecking order and then

900
00:40:46,880 --> 00:40:49,639
the other even more than that, to me, might be

901
00:40:50,360 --> 00:40:53,679
the stuff that's happening around the way. You're like like

902
00:40:53,800 --> 00:40:56,159
offensive rebound and you said it before, that's kind of

903
00:40:56,199 --> 00:40:58,400
a decision and you need to tell your it's not

904
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:00,880
we have this stary. There are stars who can do it,

905
00:41:00,920 --> 00:41:04,639
but it's not their superstar and they offensive rebound a ton.

906
00:41:04,679 --> 00:41:07,280
It's not like we're gonna load the deck with like

907
00:41:07,400 --> 00:41:09,760
a Mitchell Robinson, or we're gonna have a Steven Adams

908
00:41:10,079 --> 00:41:13,360
on the team, or we're just gonna try and play

909
00:41:13,440 --> 00:41:15,480
dual Biggs and be super huge. And that's the other

910
00:41:15,519 --> 00:41:18,800
thing is Houston's experimenting with. We're just getting away from

911
00:41:18,800 --> 00:41:21,159
positions in general, but we're almost getting away from the

912
00:41:21,199 --> 00:41:24,079
idea of even a primary playmaker. And I know that

913
00:41:24,519 --> 00:41:27,719
this doesn't necessarily fit the context of Giannis just but

914
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:31,400
when you combine it with everything else, including the way

915
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:33,480
that a lot of teams want to defend nowt or

916
00:41:33,480 --> 00:41:35,440
what you're dealing with when it comes to full court pressure,

917
00:41:35,480 --> 00:41:37,400
and then you're gonna need the trickle down effect of

918
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,199
that is teams need what instead of two, like three

919
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,480
or four guys you trust to bring the ball up

920
00:41:42,519 --> 00:41:45,199
the floor. Because of that, I'm just wondering if it

921
00:41:45,320 --> 00:41:50,639
dilutes the what it's worth to go after and get

922
00:41:50,679 --> 00:41:54,320
a star you don't already have because of the baggage

923
00:41:54,360 --> 00:41:56,280
that comes with it. And what I mean by baggage

924
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:58,800
is not necessarily bad things, but well, you need to

925
00:41:58,840 --> 00:42:01,800
retrofit your roster around some of these players, and Giannis

926
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:03,760
would fall into that bucket. There are very few start

927
00:42:03,840 --> 00:42:07,360
I think if you choppered, I think Tyre's Haliburton Steph

928
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:09,840
for great examples of this. You just put them on

929
00:42:09,920 --> 00:42:12,719
any team and you don't necessarily have to make changes

930
00:42:12,760 --> 00:42:14,280
around them. At least on the offense, they were just

931
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:16,960
gonna make it work regardless. But Yiannis, it's sort of

932
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:20,480
whether it's defensively, it feels like there's more thinking needs

933
00:42:20,519 --> 00:42:22,280
to go. It doesn't change how good he is, but

934
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:24,880
more thinking needs to go into building a team around him. It's,

935
00:42:25,159 --> 00:42:27,039
by the way, it's the argument some people are making

936
00:42:27,079 --> 00:42:30,519
to differentiate the MVP between Yokich and Shay to where

937
00:42:30,519 --> 00:42:33,440
they think that it's easier to build a championship team

938
00:42:33,480 --> 00:42:36,119
around Shay than it is Jokic, or that if you're

939
00:42:36,159 --> 00:42:39,840
so dependent on Jokic, doesn't leave you especially vulnerable to

940
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:43,480
establishing an identity independent of Yokic, And there might be

941
00:42:43,519 --> 00:42:44,800
something to that when you look at how much the

942
00:42:44,880 --> 00:42:48,639
Nuggets have struggled without Jokic on the floor his entire

943
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:52,199
prime basically, And That's where I'm coming at this from

944
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:54,320
is now it feels like, Okay, a lot of these

945
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:57,840
things have maybe existed at one point together, but now

946
00:42:58,119 --> 00:43:00,880
so many of them are. They're not just happening concurrently,

947
00:43:01,159 --> 00:43:04,800
but they're in the spotlight concurrently that I'm it's I'm

948
00:43:04,840 --> 00:43:07,960
sort of just wondering, Oh, it's not that we're getting

949
00:43:07,960 --> 00:43:10,280
away from superstars, but I wonder if we're gonna get

950
00:43:10,320 --> 00:43:13,559
away from the idea of we need if we're this

951
00:43:13,679 --> 00:43:15,400
good and need to get to the next level, Like

952
00:43:15,519 --> 00:43:18,199
if Jiannis comes on the market four first round picks

953
00:43:18,239 --> 00:43:21,440
our best young player, quality veteran build off that let's go.

954
00:43:21,840 --> 00:43:24,639
I don't think that's gonna be as reflexes. And I'm

955
00:43:24,639 --> 00:43:29,880
also wondering does sort of these trades of years past

956
00:43:30,239 --> 00:43:32,840
serve as cautionary tales now? Because the Clippers will tell

957
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:34,840
you they thought the Shay trade, like that trade was

958
00:43:34,840 --> 00:43:38,079
gonna work out for them. It didn't even the Timberwolves

959
00:43:38,119 --> 00:43:40,639
with Rudy Gobert. Okay, you're not trading in those two

960
00:43:40,760 --> 00:43:44,079
conference finals, but look at how hard it's been for

961
00:43:44,119 --> 00:43:46,039
you to like build off that you made the Rob

962
00:43:46,079 --> 00:43:49,079
Dillingham swing. But if that doesn't pan out, your margin

963
00:43:49,159 --> 00:43:51,800
for error of making another move is so thin. I'm

964
00:43:51,800 --> 00:43:54,760
gonna be very curious after this season, if you were

965
00:43:54,800 --> 00:43:57,840
to give Cleveland truth serum, how do they feel about

966
00:43:57,840 --> 00:43:58,719
the Donovan Mitchell thing.

967
00:43:58,920 --> 00:44:01,400
Speaker 2: The Knicks with Michael Riches. I think anyone in.

968
00:44:01,320 --> 00:44:03,880
Speaker 1: That organization would have said that they fucked up last year.

969
00:44:04,039 --> 00:44:06,239
They're probably with Giannis on the trade market now. I'm

970
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:08,559
sure there's plenty of people that still feel that way.

971
00:44:09,639 --> 00:44:12,559
Speaker 3: I think it's if this is turning into like an

972
00:44:12,599 --> 00:44:15,480
even bigger question than it started out. It was pretty big.

973
00:44:15,920 --> 00:44:18,960
It's kind of a it's like they honest trade is

974
00:44:18,960 --> 00:44:25,079
an interesting vehicle to discuss the like the trend of

975
00:44:25,119 --> 00:44:27,880
helio centrism, I guess, and because I was just thinking

976
00:44:27,920 --> 00:44:32,239
like if what you're saying is true or if it

977
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:35,760
means that like the last basically the NBA since Michael

978
00:44:35,800 --> 00:44:38,719
Jordan has been focused on like let's get the guy.

979
00:44:38,800 --> 00:44:40,679
There's only five guys on our team on the floor

980
00:44:40,679 --> 00:44:42,800
at once. If you have the greatest guy out there,

981
00:44:42,800 --> 00:44:45,400
that's that's what you need to start with. I think

982
00:44:45,400 --> 00:44:48,000
that's still probably true. Like you, you know, title winners

983
00:44:48,079 --> 00:44:50,400
just have a top five guy generally speaking, and then

984
00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:55,039
a lot more also, so like is this are are

985
00:44:55,079 --> 00:44:58,400
the old heads gonna be like excited about what you're

986
00:44:58,440 --> 00:45:03,519
talking about or pointing towards Because a team's system or

987
00:45:03,559 --> 00:45:05,960
like a player's ability to fit into a system and

988
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:08,760
not need all these tweaks and all these other asset

989
00:45:08,760 --> 00:45:11,440
outlays and all this that and the other to onboard

990
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:14,880
somebody and then to reorient your franchise around a player

991
00:45:14,920 --> 00:45:17,159
as opposed to like, here's how we play. Can you

992
00:45:17,199 --> 00:45:19,440
fit into this? Yes, great, well we're willing to give

993
00:45:19,519 --> 00:45:20,920
up a lot to get you. But it's more of

994
00:45:20,960 --> 00:45:24,159
like a system or a team first approach as opposed

995
00:45:24,159 --> 00:45:28,320
to you have Kobe, you have Jordan, you have whatever.

996
00:45:28,559 --> 00:45:32,119
Cause that's different than when you think about like to

997
00:45:32,159 --> 00:45:34,079
go way back, and it's like Magic and bird well,

998
00:45:34,079 --> 00:45:36,360
like Magic was part of the showtime Lakers and made

999
00:45:36,440 --> 00:45:38,719
that thing work, but like Kareem was there and they

1000
00:45:38,719 --> 00:45:40,639
had plenty of other great players, and they were defined by.

1001
00:45:40,599 --> 00:45:42,079
Speaker 4: A style to some extent.

1002
00:45:42,119 --> 00:45:43,639
Speaker 3: I think that's true of the Celtics and Bird and

1003
00:45:43,639 --> 00:45:46,039
then Jordan shows up and it's like, let's put him

1004
00:45:46,079 --> 00:45:48,639
on every commercial and every poster, and that changes how

1005
00:45:48,639 --> 00:45:51,280
we think about what an NBA team needs.

1006
00:45:51,000 --> 00:45:51,960
Speaker 4: First and foremost.

1007
00:45:52,280 --> 00:45:54,159
Speaker 3: And that theory is backed up by the fact that

1008
00:45:54,280 --> 00:45:56,400
just title winners always have a guy that's like at

1009
00:45:56,440 --> 00:45:57,320
that level.

1010
00:45:58,239 --> 00:46:01,199
Speaker 4: It's really interesting. I would find it refreshing.

1011
00:46:00,840 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 3: To think about a future of the NBA where it's like,

1012
00:46:04,719 --> 00:46:07,679
you still have your marquee stars, but it's it's just

1013
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:10,760
as important that they can play like in a collective

1014
00:46:10,840 --> 00:46:13,079
as opposed to they just define who we are and

1015
00:46:13,119 --> 00:46:14,280
we just fit around them.

1016
00:46:14,599 --> 00:46:15,599
Speaker 4: That's interesting to me.

1017
00:46:15,719 --> 00:46:18,519
Speaker 3: I mean you might say, like I think Haliburton is

1018
00:46:18,519 --> 00:46:20,880
an example of that, and you've cited Steph too. It's

1019
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:24,480
like you can you can describe them as scalable, which

1020
00:46:24,519 --> 00:46:26,880
you did and that's right. Or you can also say,

1021
00:46:26,920 --> 00:46:30,800
like they they don't define your system, they elevate it

1022
00:46:31,119 --> 00:46:33,519
like and they don't they don't take anything away from it.

1023
00:46:33,599 --> 00:46:35,880
You know, they're still the marquee guys, but it's not

1024
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:39,199
like you don't we're not having this conversation if Tyrese,

1025
00:46:39,239 --> 00:46:42,920
Haliburton or Steph is the guy that is looking to

1026
00:46:42,920 --> 00:46:45,440
be traded. Giannis is a different sort like and a

1027
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:47,960
lot most guys are a different sort at his level.

1028
00:46:48,440 --> 00:46:50,239
So yeah, it's interesting to think. I don't know what

1029
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,320
the answer is. It's hard for me to believe the

1030
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,199
NBA wants to move away from heliocentrism, just like for

1031
00:46:55,400 --> 00:46:58,800
market marketing purposes and other like it's easier to sell

1032
00:46:58,880 --> 00:47:01,079
fans on like look at what Huka did as opposed

1033
00:47:01,079 --> 00:47:03,239
to like look at how the Lakers run their offense.

1034
00:47:03,400 --> 00:47:05,159
Speaker 4: It's just it's it's different.

1035
00:47:05,519 --> 00:47:06,599
Speaker 2: It's and it's not even.

1036
00:47:06,639 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 1: So I do wonder the whole thing about the d

1037
00:47:09,039 --> 00:47:11,280
emphasis of the singular star.

1038
00:47:11,400 --> 00:47:12,559
Speaker 2: But I'm also coming at it from the.

1039
00:47:12,559 --> 00:47:17,559
Speaker 1: Perspective of is have we reached a bubble bursting point

1040
00:47:17,880 --> 00:47:22,119
of that heliocentrism extending to what you're willing to give

1041
00:47:22,199 --> 00:47:23,079
up to create it?

1042
00:47:23,320 --> 00:47:24,559
Speaker 2: Or further, it's where.

1043
00:47:24,840 --> 00:47:26,920
Speaker 1: The extension of it is the assets you gave up

1044
00:47:26,960 --> 00:47:29,320
to create this heliocentric system.

1045
00:47:29,639 --> 00:47:30,559
Speaker 2: And I'm just wondering.

1046
00:47:30,599 --> 00:47:33,079
Speaker 1: I it's kind of an analog for remember, going into

1047
00:47:33,119 --> 00:47:35,599
the offseason, we thought dearon Fox might be a Flashbowl

1048
00:47:35,599 --> 00:47:37,960
moment for the way that max contracts are negotiated, and

1049
00:47:37,960 --> 00:47:40,360
now it's kind of pivoted to everyone's really just look

1050
00:47:40,360 --> 00:47:43,639
at the trade values of Lamello, Trey Young, John Moran.

1051
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:47,840
Even like LaMelo specifically, he's on the fun Max and

1052
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,880
so it's if he doesn't have trade value now Like so,

1053
00:47:51,480 --> 00:47:54,719
I just feel like we're starting the league is starting

1054
00:47:54,719 --> 00:47:56,840
to reach a point where no, like stars are always

1055
00:47:56,840 --> 00:47:58,800
gonna drive the lea you want, you need that guy,

1056
00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:00,800
and yes, you're always gonna be willing to I'm not

1057
00:48:00,800 --> 00:48:02,840
even saying don't go out and trade for that guy.

1058
00:48:03,199 --> 00:48:06,000
But are the limits to what teams are willing to

1059
00:48:06,039 --> 00:48:08,400
give up for that guy in a trade?

1060
00:48:08,760 --> 00:48:12,280
Speaker 2: Are they now shrinking? And it's all going to be relative.

1061
00:48:12,320 --> 00:48:13,599
Speaker 1: I think a lot of this, As we said at

1062
00:48:13,639 --> 00:48:16,519
the top, Jannis's age, and so if Jannis was aged

1063
00:48:16,559 --> 00:48:18,679
twenty five and came on the trade market, it's different.

1064
00:48:19,000 --> 00:48:22,360
Those players don't come on the trade market ever. They

1065
00:48:22,480 --> 00:48:25,159
use sometimes they used to leave in free agency. That

1066
00:48:25,239 --> 00:48:29,559
doesn't happen anymore. And that's where I think this will

1067
00:48:29,559 --> 00:48:32,400
be a good case study because it's he's really good

1068
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:34,920
He's also plays a game that I'm not saying it's

1069
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:38,880
gonna age poorly, but it is predicated heavily on athleticism

1070
00:48:38,960 --> 00:48:42,079
and just being like a freak of nature on the court.

1071
00:48:42,599 --> 00:48:44,360
Speaker 2: I'm just curious. I don't think.

1072
00:48:45,159 --> 00:48:46,719
Speaker 1: I don't think it's gonna be a no brainer for

1073
00:48:46,719 --> 00:48:48,360
teams to give up, and if you don't have a

1074
00:48:48,400 --> 00:48:50,880
lot to give up to begin with, I don't fault

1075
00:48:50,920 --> 00:48:53,280
teams for also thinking for even still drawing a line

1076
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:56,480
in the sand to say, okay, cool, but is this

1077
00:48:56,559 --> 00:48:59,360
going to elevate our title odds for this season and

1078
00:48:59,400 --> 00:49:02,760
next season like five percent and then like it's just

1079
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:05,639
over after that, versus we might still have outs if

1080
00:49:05,639 --> 00:49:07,639
we stick with what we have this while having a

1081
00:49:07,679 --> 00:49:09,639
five percent less chance this season the next to winning

1082
00:49:09,679 --> 00:49:12,239
the title. I think there's gonna be more to it.

1083
00:49:12,800 --> 00:49:14,840
Stars of a certain age, sure, so it's easy to

1084
00:49:14,920 --> 00:49:17,400
use that cop out, but I'm just I'm sort of wondering.

1085
00:49:17,480 --> 00:49:19,719
In general, there might always be the one guy that

1086
00:49:19,760 --> 00:49:22,800
you say, oh no, you give up whatever, and Giannis

1087
00:49:22,880 --> 00:49:24,840
might just be that guy. Yeah, And if I had

1088
00:49:24,840 --> 00:49:28,199
to predict, unless he really forces the issue, there's going

1089
00:49:28,199 --> 00:49:29,920
to be a team that just comes in and goes

1090
00:49:30,000 --> 00:49:32,159
like KaBlam, here's here's everything.

1091
00:49:32,559 --> 00:49:33,599
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's right.

1092
00:49:33,760 --> 00:49:37,719
Speaker 3: I just think like he's such an interesting player because objectively,

1093
00:49:37,800 --> 00:49:40,320
he's at like a let you know, he's a top

1094
00:49:40,320 --> 00:49:43,079
five guy, right, like it just has been top five

1095
00:49:43,119 --> 00:49:46,599
in MVP voting for seven years, first team All NBA

1096
00:49:46,719 --> 00:49:49,880
for what just he's just there. But he is like

1097
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:53,960
a he he is hard to build around, like you

1098
00:49:54,079 --> 00:49:56,960
do that, So that complicates it a little bit. I

1099
00:49:56,960 --> 00:50:00,880
I wonder if like two things will be true. One is,

1100
00:50:01,880 --> 00:50:05,960
it's a bad idea to to basically mortgage your future

1101
00:50:06,360 --> 00:50:08,960
for an over thirty superstar that you think is gonna

1102
00:50:09,400 --> 00:50:12,400
you know, reorient your franchise and win you a title.

1103
00:50:13,119 --> 00:50:15,760
And two is teams are still gonna do that because

1104
00:50:15,800 --> 00:50:17,239
it's just it's like irresistible.

1105
00:50:17,719 --> 00:50:21,280
Speaker 4: It's a you know, we struggle with Anthony bas exactly.

1106
00:50:21,320 --> 00:50:23,559
Speaker 3: Anthony Davis was way younger than Yannis at the time

1107
00:50:23,599 --> 00:50:25,159
the Lakers got him, and they got him with the

1108
00:50:25,159 --> 00:50:27,480
idea of him being like a number two to Lebron,

1109
00:50:27,760 --> 00:50:30,519
which like he arguably was better than him in those finals,

1110
00:50:30,599 --> 00:50:34,039
he wasn't more important. Uh So Yannes is different in

1111
00:50:34,079 --> 00:50:34,679
that respect.

1112
00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:38,400
Speaker 1: I think is that this is almost the reverse because

1113
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:40,440
now if you were doing it for Jannis, you could

1114
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:42,719
even say, as the Bucks, if they had the opportunity

1115
00:50:42,760 --> 00:50:45,079
to trade for just name the player with what they have,

1116
00:50:45,199 --> 00:50:45,920
well we have Giannis.

1117
00:50:45,960 --> 00:50:48,880
Speaker 2: Yeah we're gonna do it. That's the Ad and Lebron situation.

1118
00:50:49,039 --> 00:50:52,559
Speaker 1: With this, it's short of the Spurs with wem Beach,

1119
00:50:52,599 --> 00:50:54,760
where you really think were the Lakers with Luca not

1120
00:50:54,800 --> 00:50:57,239
that they could get enough for Giannis. You can't say that,

1121
00:50:57,719 --> 00:50:59,920
what are the Hawks, Let's assume even keep Jayleen John

1122
00:51:00,320 --> 00:51:03,519
It's not oh like, yeah, we're gonna be this with Giannis.

1123
00:51:03,679 --> 00:51:06,199
There's only it's a lot easier when you're the team

1124
00:51:06,199 --> 00:51:08,360
that has Giannis to make the decision to trade for

1125
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:10,920
that guy than if you're the team to me, just

1126
00:51:10,960 --> 00:51:14,360
because of the opportunity cost of trading for the guy

1127
00:51:14,400 --> 00:51:17,119
that is going to instantly become your Because who is

1128
00:51:17,159 --> 00:51:19,320
the team that trades for Giannis and the plan isn't

1129
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:21,480
for him to be their best player during whatever their

1130
00:51:21,480 --> 00:51:23,719
title win it was, it's maybe san Antonio in the

1131
00:51:23,800 --> 00:51:24,480
list ends.

1132
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:26,480
Speaker 3: There and that's a and that's a maybe right because

1133
00:51:26,519 --> 00:51:28,960
to me, like Wemby is more scalable, like you have

1134
00:51:29,000 --> 00:51:31,880
to orient more around Jannis than you do win point.

1135
00:51:32,280 --> 00:51:35,159
Maybe maybe so maybe that that just is gonna push

1136
00:51:35,199 --> 00:51:36,920
us into what we got to get to is just

1137
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:42,559
not in broad strokes. We probably should talk about destinations potentially, right, like,

1138
00:51:42,599 --> 00:51:44,280
that's that's maybe where this needs to go.

1139
00:51:45,559 --> 00:51:47,840
Speaker 1: Do you have to do favor, Well, let's do let's

1140
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:50,280
get let's just get this out of the way first.

1141
00:51:50,480 --> 00:51:52,079
I think we need to go through the greatest hits

1142
00:51:52,119 --> 00:51:53,239
or the most talked about.

1143
00:51:53,679 --> 00:51:54,599
Speaker 2: The Knicks are here.

1144
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:58,400
Speaker 1: I don't see there's no just he's been linked to them,

1145
00:51:58,480 --> 00:52:00,599
which a kudos to the Knicks. They have Giannis for

1146
00:52:00,679 --> 00:52:03,400
questioning a trade to them. You could argue, this is

1147
00:52:03,440 --> 00:52:05,960
why you don't give up the boat for Michale Bridges,

1148
00:52:06,039 --> 00:52:07,440
or you could just say, well, they couldn't have known

1149
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:12,760
this was gonna happen. I personally would be floored if

1150
00:52:12,800 --> 00:52:14,800
Joannis ended up with the Knicks, and I would be

1151
00:52:14,960 --> 00:52:17,840
even I will say, let's give that a sub one

1152
00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,519
percent chance. And then there's like a fraction of a ten,

1153
00:52:20,880 --> 00:52:23,039
like just a fraction of our fraction of a fraction

1154
00:52:23,119 --> 00:52:25,760
of a percent that if they traded for your honest

1155
00:52:25,800 --> 00:52:28,119
I would feel good about them winning the title during

1156
00:52:28,119 --> 00:52:29,960
that window because I don't know what they.

1157
00:52:29,880 --> 00:52:31,679
Speaker 2: Would be left with after the fact.

1158
00:52:31,800 --> 00:52:34,000
Speaker 1: And that's just a team where it's yeah, cool, you

1159
00:52:34,000 --> 00:52:36,280
were mentioned Jiannis thought he was gonna end up there,

1160
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:38,079
and that is to what.

1161
00:52:38,000 --> 00:52:40,480
Speaker 2: You said earlier. I think was Janness probably thought a

1162
00:52:40,519 --> 00:52:42,159
lot of things that proved to be incorrect.

1163
00:52:42,280 --> 00:52:45,280
Speaker 4: So yeah, no, and the Nicks have to be mentioned.

1164
00:52:45,280 --> 00:52:48,199
Speaker 3: But just in passing because they can only trade first

1165
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:52,159
round swaps, they're just the money is hard to make happen.

1166
00:52:52,280 --> 00:52:57,199
Speaker 2: It's just like the money's easy. What right.

1167
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:00,480
Speaker 1: I what I will push back against for people this is, well,

1168
00:53:00,639 --> 00:53:03,440
the Bucks if they get Anonobi or kat and or

1169
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:05,719
Bridges and so they could just trade those guys and

1170
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:08,280
get more first round picks. You go spot that deal

1171
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:10,519
for me, because what Milwaukee's not doing the leg work.

1172
00:53:10,519 --> 00:53:12,079
If that's what they want, they're gonna have New York

1173
00:53:12,119 --> 00:53:13,599
do it. And now you go out there and tell

1174
00:53:13,639 --> 00:53:15,039
me what are the teams that are coming in and

1175
00:53:15,079 --> 00:53:18,119
throwing picks for any one of these guys. And by

1176
00:53:18,159 --> 00:53:21,199
the way, this is how gamesmanship works. If you were

1177
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:23,519
giving up a bunch of stuff to get McHale, Bridges,

1178
00:53:23,679 --> 00:53:27,119
or og Ananobi. You were on a similar timeline to

1179
00:53:27,199 --> 00:53:29,239
that of the Knicks, So why not just throw those

1180
00:53:29,280 --> 00:53:32,920
picks at Milwaukee to maybe try and get right right right?

1181
00:53:33,280 --> 00:53:38,559
Speaker 3: Yeah, they're here because Jake Fisher reported that Giannis thought

1182
00:53:38,559 --> 00:53:41,280
a deal was close over the summer, and because Giannis

1183
00:53:41,280 --> 00:53:44,119
seems to want to go there unless, I mean, how

1184
00:53:44,159 --> 00:53:47,239
messy does this? Like I said, the dynamics of the

1185
00:53:47,280 --> 00:53:52,239
Jannis Bucks relationship change dramatically if will have changed dramatically

1186
00:53:52,280 --> 00:53:54,000
if he winds up in New York, because it will

1187
00:53:54,039 --> 00:53:57,199
be the result of him saying I'm never playing for

1188
00:53:57,239 --> 00:53:59,280
you again, and I'm also never playing for anyone.

1189
00:53:59,320 --> 00:54:01,519
Speaker 4: But the Knicks may can happen like that's.

1190
00:54:01,320 --> 00:54:04,599
Speaker 2: Which that was just would be that would shock me.

1191
00:54:05,519 --> 00:54:08,360
Speaker 1: That's not that's going full, that's even going more James

1192
00:54:08,400 --> 00:54:09,360
Harden than James Harden.

1193
00:54:09,519 --> 00:54:12,199
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, it's which. It's not gonna happen.

1194
00:54:12,239 --> 00:54:14,840
Speaker 3: Yiannis hasn't ever shown anything like a willingness to do that.

1195
00:54:15,440 --> 00:54:17,559
Speaker 2: So who's next up? Who do we need to who's

1196
00:54:17,559 --> 00:54:18,559
a team we need to talk?

1197
00:54:18,639 --> 00:54:19,280
Speaker 4: I think we should talk.

1198
00:54:19,320 --> 00:54:21,159
Speaker 3: We've kind of talked around Atlanta a little bit, so

1199
00:54:21,239 --> 00:54:24,679
let's talk about it. Atlanta they they can get it done.

1200
00:54:24,719 --> 00:54:26,679
I think without Jalen Johnson.

1201
00:54:26,679 --> 00:54:28,800
Speaker 4: I've seen hypothetical.

1202
00:54:28,199 --> 00:54:31,679
Speaker 3: Packages that that are built without Jalen Johnson going, which

1203
00:54:31,719 --> 00:54:34,079
is that means they're built around Trey Young, which is

1204
00:54:34,079 --> 00:54:35,800
another thing where it's like, all the Bucks can flip

1205
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:38,679
him or he can keep them relevant for a while.

1206
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:43,159
All Right, I guess that's all. But the Hawks can

1207
00:54:43,320 --> 00:54:45,840
do it right, like REESEA. Scha is in it, maybe

1208
00:54:45,920 --> 00:54:48,480
Daniels is in it. Just because Daniels and Giannis on

1209
00:54:48,519 --> 00:54:52,400
the same offense doesn't feel like sustainable.

1210
00:54:52,599 --> 00:54:52,960
Speaker 4: You can.

1211
00:54:55,000 --> 00:54:56,559
Speaker 3: I don't have the picks in front of me. The

1212
00:54:56,599 --> 00:54:59,800
Hawks are not like pick Rich, except they could dangle

1213
00:55:00,079 --> 00:55:03,239
that other You could basically guarantee the Bucks the really

1214
00:55:03,280 --> 00:55:05,519
high pick, as opposed to them probably getting one.

1215
00:55:05,559 --> 00:55:07,840
Speaker 1: Could they have just two top five picks if they

1216
00:55:07,920 --> 00:55:10,639
get if they get the Bucks commitment, the Hawks commitment,

1217
00:55:10,760 --> 00:55:12,639
which is, the Hawks get the better of New Orleans

1218
00:55:12,719 --> 00:55:15,960
or Milwaukee's pick, Milwaukee's getting the less favorable You're just

1219
00:55:15,960 --> 00:55:17,719
gonna have your own pick in New Orleans' pick.

1220
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:19,440
Speaker 3: At the end of that, Yeah, you're getting the two

1221
00:55:19,599 --> 00:55:22,039
best of the three, basically, which could both be in

1222
00:55:22,079 --> 00:55:22,960
the top four.

1223
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:25,760
Speaker 2: If one of them isn't in the top five. I

1224
00:55:25,800 --> 00:55:28,119
would go as far as to say that would be shocking.

1225
00:55:28,079 --> 00:55:30,840
Speaker 3: Right right, So I mean that's that's where the package starts,

1226
00:55:30,960 --> 00:55:33,960
is built around Young in that pick, I guess, and

1227
00:55:34,000 --> 00:55:38,559
then assuming like if you just don't believe Trey Young

1228
00:55:38,679 --> 00:55:40,440
is an integral piece of what the Hawks are doing,

1229
00:55:40,519 --> 00:55:42,679
which the last few weeks have shown, like I don't know,

1230
00:55:42,760 --> 00:55:45,480
the bottom line results are pretty similar with or without him,

1231
00:55:45,880 --> 00:55:48,000
then you add your honest to that Hawks team, like

1232
00:55:49,079 --> 00:55:51,519
I don't feel like that's they're They're like not, you know,

1233
00:55:51,559 --> 00:55:53,559
out of their depths trying to beat the Pistons or

1234
00:55:53,559 --> 00:55:56,000
the Knicks or the Calves like that. That team is

1235
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:58,760
could come out of the East for sure. That's that's

1236
00:55:58,800 --> 00:56:01,480
totally on the table, even though we just spend a

1237
00:56:01,480 --> 00:56:03,639
bunch of time talking about how that type of trade

1238
00:56:03,679 --> 00:56:05,119
never gets you where you think it is.

1239
00:56:05,159 --> 00:56:06,960
Speaker 1: But so I'm wondering in the Hawks, could it be

1240
00:56:07,079 --> 00:56:10,400
unique because they have let's say this year's Bucks pick

1241
00:56:10,440 --> 00:56:12,920
or like just giving the Bucks that one. And there's,

1242
00:56:13,039 --> 00:56:15,039
by the way, the twenty twenty seven commitment where they

1243
00:56:15,079 --> 00:56:17,360
get the least favorable top four protective of Bucks or

1244
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:21,360
new Orleans. Just having those two assets maybe ensures that

1245
00:56:21,360 --> 00:56:23,360
they don't have to give up as many of their

1246
00:56:23,400 --> 00:56:26,039
out year picks, which would be a big deal.

1247
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:28,880
Speaker 2: I'm just I have two questions. Let's start with one

1248
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:29,440
on the floor.

1249
00:56:30,519 --> 00:56:33,639
Speaker 1: Giannis and Jalen Johnson are an intuitive fit on the

1250
00:56:33,679 --> 00:56:34,400
offensive end.

1251
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:35,760
Speaker 2: I want to make that clear. So if you're able

1252
00:56:35,800 --> 00:56:37,079
to keep Jalen Johnson, that's great.

1253
00:56:37,360 --> 00:56:41,000
Speaker 1: How do you feel about it defensively knowing that neither

1254
00:56:41,119 --> 00:56:46,079
like Jalen Johnson doesn't do the things that the big alongside.

1255
00:56:45,519 --> 00:56:46,760
Speaker 2: Giannis typically does.

1256
00:56:46,800 --> 00:56:49,599
Speaker 1: And so do you think that Yannis then slides into

1257
00:56:49,599 --> 00:56:51,280
that role or are you starting both of them with

1258
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:53,480
are you keeping on Yekka Kungu when you're starting all

1259
00:56:53,480 --> 00:56:56,079
three of them or playing all three of them together?

1260
00:56:56,239 --> 00:56:56,559
Speaker 4: Is there?

1261
00:56:56,599 --> 00:56:59,239
Speaker 2: Am I over thinking a little bit?

1262
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:01,960
Speaker 3: I think a healthy Porzingis does a decent Brook Lopez

1263
00:57:02,079 --> 00:57:03,800
like in terms of you're asking him to do two

1264
00:57:03,800 --> 00:57:07,079
things like be tall and drop coverage and shoot threes.

1265
00:57:07,360 --> 00:57:10,280
Speaker 1: So was the idea then to play though Giannis, Jalen

1266
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:11,679
Johnson and a big is what?

1267
00:57:11,800 --> 00:57:13,639
Speaker 3: I don't think that's a bad fit. I mean it

1268
00:57:13,760 --> 00:57:16,599
makes it. It requires a little bit of work. From

1269
00:57:16,719 --> 00:57:19,039
both from really all three defensively, but I think a

1270
00:57:19,119 --> 00:57:21,599
Coong wus find a slot in there in different combinations.

1271
00:57:21,639 --> 00:57:23,719
Speaker 4: I wouldn't. I mean, I don't.

1272
00:57:24,000 --> 00:57:26,000
Speaker 3: I don't have a real problem with fit wise there.

1273
00:57:26,079 --> 00:57:27,880
I don't think, you know, you have.

1274
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:30,159
Speaker 1: To change a lot, just just to be clear, not

1275
00:57:30,159 --> 00:57:31,639
not offensively.

1276
00:57:31,480 --> 00:57:34,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, defensively, and you don't want to count on porzingis

1277
00:57:34,679 --> 00:57:35,039
I guess?

1278
00:57:35,079 --> 00:57:35,519
Speaker 4: And then.

1279
00:57:36,960 --> 00:57:39,840
Speaker 3: I know I don't really have too many concerns there. Defensively,

1280
00:57:39,880 --> 00:57:43,159
I think offensively that this guy's the limit with that group.

1281
00:57:43,199 --> 00:57:46,159
Speaker 1: Potentially I lied and still have two questions, But let's

1282
00:57:46,159 --> 00:57:49,480
start with this the first of two. Does the way

1283
00:57:49,519 --> 00:57:52,800
that de Jonte Murray trade ended up kind of biting

1284
00:57:52,840 --> 00:57:56,159
the Hawks make them hesitant to I know that de

1285
00:57:56,199 --> 00:57:58,519
Jonta Murray's not Yannis, but just looking at how that

1286
00:57:58,639 --> 00:58:01,480
panned out, do they hesitant at all to include just

1287
00:58:01,760 --> 00:58:04,000
X amount of fur? Like they still owe first round

1288
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:05,239
picks themselves to say it.

1289
00:58:06,079 --> 00:58:09,360
Speaker 3: I don't know that that trade specifically makes them hesitant.

1290
00:58:09,400 --> 00:58:12,840
I think maybe if they are hesitant more broadly, it's

1291
00:58:12,840 --> 00:58:15,679
because like they're gonna they look around at themselves and say, like,

1292
00:58:15,719 --> 00:58:18,519
we got this pick coming from the Pelicans, we like

1293
00:58:18,639 --> 00:58:23,639
our young core. Jannie is injured now, and like, what

1294
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:26,360
can we just say Giannis will not be better going

1295
00:58:26,400 --> 00:58:28,119
forward than he's been in the past.

1296
00:58:28,199 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 4: Like that seems a reason.

1297
00:58:30,079 --> 00:58:32,440
Speaker 2: You're not saying he's gonna make the next seven first team?

1298
00:58:32,559 --> 00:58:36,639
Speaker 3: Right? So, like, if you're the Hawks, you could conceivably say, like,

1299
00:58:37,159 --> 00:58:40,000
you know what, we're good, Like you really could?

1300
00:58:40,119 --> 00:58:42,800
Speaker 4: I think it now, I don't know maybe if.

1301
00:58:42,679 --> 00:58:44,800
Speaker 1: They else, I'm gonna interject because that dovetails with my

1302
00:58:44,800 --> 00:58:47,760
final question. Okay, what if the Bucks come in and

1303
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:50,159
say we're not doing this deal without Jalen Johnson in it?

1304
00:58:52,280 --> 00:58:55,079
I mean, this is why the question we just spent

1305
00:58:55,400 --> 00:58:57,440
thirty forty minutes, right.

1306
00:58:58,719 --> 00:59:01,320
Speaker 3: I I yeah, I think like because Johnson is just

1307
00:59:01,400 --> 00:59:05,039
on such a bargain and is more scalable and is

1308
00:59:05,079 --> 00:59:08,639
going to have a longer runway obviously, could couldn't you

1309
00:59:08,679 --> 00:59:12,480
see the Hawks in that situation again saying like, no, no, thanks,

1310
00:59:12,639 --> 00:59:14,000
we're good?

1311
00:59:14,639 --> 00:59:16,880
Speaker 1: I think because if you're the Hawks, isn't at this

1312
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:20,320
point aren't you viewing if you're getting honest the intent? Okay,

1313
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:23,480
he's going to be our best player, isn't it supposed

1314
00:59:23,519 --> 00:59:25,920
to be the weld Jalen Johnson's than our second best player.

1315
00:59:25,960 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 2: It's not we're trying to pair Giannis with Trey Young.

1316
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:30,719
Speaker 1: I don't think even if Trey Young is not part

1317
00:59:30,760 --> 00:59:32,760
of the trade, because by the way, the Bucks have

1318
00:59:32,800 --> 00:59:34,719
so many different like you could get there without Jalen

1319
00:59:34,760 --> 00:59:38,079
Johnson or Trey Young with the salaries that Milwaukee could

1320
00:59:38,079 --> 00:59:41,119
have to offer. So if you have to give up challenge,

1321
00:59:41,280 --> 00:59:43,880
maybe if they're saying we don't want any of these picks,

1322
00:59:44,199 --> 00:59:45,840
which I can't imagine, but I'm not.

1323
00:59:46,000 --> 00:59:47,559
Speaker 4: The picks would be like the first thing they should

1324
00:59:47,599 --> 00:59:48,119
be asking for.

1325
00:59:48,199 --> 00:59:51,199
Speaker 1: It feels like to me, I think, yeah, Milwaukee from

1326
00:59:51,199 --> 00:59:54,000
Atlanta specifically, you get into a different conversation with other

1327
00:59:54,039 --> 00:59:55,880
teams because if you're Milwaukee and it's well, we don't

1328
00:59:55,920 --> 00:59:58,920
have control over our picks beyond beyond a good pick

1329
00:59:58,960 --> 01:00:01,400
this coming season, what do we do? So Yeah, if

1330
01:00:01,440 --> 01:00:04,519
I'm Atlanta, I'm not because the fury to me would be,

1331
01:00:04,639 --> 01:00:06,440
what's the point of going quote unquote all in for

1332
01:00:06,519 --> 01:00:08,679
Jhannas if we don't still have Jalen Johnson after.

1333
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:11,360
Speaker 3: They're interestingly like the perfect test for the question you're

1334
01:00:11,360 --> 01:00:14,119
asking about, like is it worth it? To kind of

1335
01:00:14,119 --> 01:00:19,360
mess up a pretty deep, interesting team that's young and flexible.

1336
01:00:19,960 --> 01:00:21,679
Speaker 2: Not at the contender level yet, but.

1337
01:00:21,679 --> 01:00:23,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, by just saying like, okay, now we're built around

1338
01:00:23,960 --> 01:00:25,239
Giannis and we'll see what happened.

1339
01:00:25,280 --> 01:00:27,639
Speaker 4: Like that, they are they're a really great test case.

1340
01:00:27,519 --> 01:00:29,440
Speaker 2: For that, do you know, while also might be a

1341
01:00:29,440 --> 01:00:31,159
good test case for that, though a little.

1342
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:33,000
Speaker 1: Different because they have, if he's healthy, one of the

1343
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:35,719
five best players in the league. San Antonio Spurs. I

1344
01:00:35,760 --> 01:00:38,039
think these are the two teams where it's because Atlanta.

1345
01:00:38,320 --> 01:00:41,000
I'm curious if Atlanta, let's just say Atlanta had all

1346
01:00:41,000 --> 01:00:43,440
their own picks, but they didn't have like the Bucks

1347
01:00:43,480 --> 01:00:45,639
one slash the Ones one. I wonder if they would

1348
01:00:45,639 --> 01:00:48,079
be mentioned as right he because he's a good fit

1349
01:00:48,159 --> 01:00:49,719
on the roster with a lot of the pieces they have.

1350
01:00:49,840 --> 01:00:53,559
But the Spurs, I digress. How do you feel about

1351
01:00:53,840 --> 01:00:56,679
Giannis and Wemby together, Grant? Are you terrified if you're

1352
01:00:56,679 --> 01:00:58,039
a fan they?

1353
01:00:58,440 --> 01:01:01,280
Speaker 3: I guess it's making me remember how long this whole

1354
01:01:01,320 --> 01:01:04,159
Yiannis thing's been going on, because I definitely like wrote

1355
01:01:04,239 --> 01:01:08,800
multiple Yannis to the Spurs is my favorite hypothetical last

1356
01:01:08,880 --> 01:01:10,760
year and over the summer.

1357
01:01:10,519 --> 01:01:11,440
Speaker 4: So I do.

1358
01:01:11,519 --> 01:01:13,800
Speaker 3: I'd like it a lot, and it has my attention

1359
01:01:14,440 --> 01:01:17,480
and I'm interested in it. I don't think there's a

1360
01:01:17,760 --> 01:01:22,639
major fit issue there because Wemby is able to shoot

1361
01:01:22,639 --> 01:01:27,159
the basketball and can do so much defensively that it's like,

1362
01:01:27,559 --> 01:01:30,400
oh well, if his offensive usage is lower, it's not

1363
01:01:30,480 --> 01:01:32,639
like his value is gone. It's just like maybe the

1364
01:01:32,679 --> 01:01:35,239
opposite if he if you have a lower usage Wemby,

1365
01:01:35,280 --> 01:01:36,840
maybe he's even better on defense.

1366
01:01:36,920 --> 01:01:40,199
Speaker 4: Like right, like, there's nothing what does he take?

1367
01:01:40,239 --> 01:01:43,360
Speaker 3: What is Giannis taking away from Wemby other than the

1368
01:01:43,440 --> 01:01:46,960
agency to like just try a bunch of shit on

1369
01:01:47,039 --> 01:01:50,320
offense for for you know, for another couple formative years, which, like,

1370
01:01:50,719 --> 01:01:53,000
to be honest, like hasn't gone great. If there's a

1371
01:01:53,079 --> 01:01:56,679
knock on on what's happened prior to injury with Wemby,

1372
01:01:56,760 --> 01:01:58,840
is that like the Spurs kind of had the reins

1373
01:01:58,840 --> 01:02:01,480
a little too loose to start the year and like

1374
01:02:01,559 --> 01:02:02,599
the turnovers were high.

1375
01:02:02,760 --> 01:02:03,880
Speaker 2: No, that's what they supposed to do.

1376
01:02:04,400 --> 01:02:07,119
Speaker 3: No, it's fine. I'm just saying it's fine. I think

1377
01:02:07,119 --> 01:02:08,760
I would have done it too. It's just like, Okay,

1378
01:02:08,760 --> 01:02:09,719
we got a sense.

1379
01:02:09,559 --> 01:02:13,079
Speaker 2: Now like maybe Wemby can be a one B for

1380
01:02:13,119 --> 01:02:15,320
a little bit while we get our guards to develop

1381
01:02:15,880 --> 01:02:18,079
and then just be the best defensive player on the planet.

1382
01:02:18,119 --> 01:02:18,800
Speaker 4: And that's fine.

1383
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:22,880
Speaker 3: I don't think Yannis really Giannest is fit there, depending

1384
01:02:22,880 --> 01:02:25,920
on what the Spurs would have to give up, specifically

1385
01:02:25,960 --> 01:02:28,800
with their younger guards, Like I'd be more concerned about

1386
01:02:28,800 --> 01:02:31,159
how he would minimize or fit with some of those

1387
01:02:31,199 --> 01:02:32,239
guys than with Wemby.

1388
01:02:32,239 --> 01:02:33,559
Speaker 4: I have no concerns there.

1389
01:02:34,599 --> 01:02:38,159
Speaker 1: I but you mentioned it as the Bucks, like, the

1390
01:02:38,159 --> 01:02:40,639
Spurs can give up a bunch of picks, but is

1391
01:02:40,679 --> 01:02:43,280
it you're only giving up one of Stefan Castle or

1392
01:02:43,360 --> 01:02:45,599
Dylan Harper if the Bucks come back and ask for two,

1393
01:02:45,760 --> 01:02:47,440
or what would you and what would you prefers? The

1394
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:49,960
Spurs say, would you rather have some picks left in

1395
01:02:50,000 --> 01:02:53,039
the bank because Dearon Fox is on the roster, so hey,

1396
01:02:53,159 --> 01:02:55,440
let's yeah, let's like if they said, I don't know

1397
01:02:55,639 --> 01:02:59,000
to first and Dylan Harper and Steph Castle, do you

1398
01:02:59,119 --> 01:03:01,559
just all have some first round picks left over?

1399
01:03:01,639 --> 01:03:03,159
Speaker 2: And Diaron foxes here, let's.

1400
01:03:03,000 --> 01:03:05,400
Speaker 1: Let's go do this, or is the more preferable route

1401
01:03:05,400 --> 01:03:07,159
We'd rather give up picks and be able to hang

1402
01:03:07,199 --> 01:03:09,960
on to one of Harper and Door castle, I.

1403
01:03:09,880 --> 01:03:11,519
Speaker 3: Think you might rather give up picks because you know

1404
01:03:11,559 --> 01:03:13,679
you're gonna be so good like and that doesn't even

1405
01:03:13,719 --> 01:03:16,599
depend on Giannis, right, like Giannis can give you zero,

1406
01:03:16,639 --> 01:03:18,840
and because you have Wemby and you keep those young

1407
01:03:18,840 --> 01:03:20,320
guards like basically all of whom.

1408
01:03:20,079 --> 01:03:23,440
Speaker 4: I like, I would say, your own picks aren't that valuable.

1409
01:03:23,719 --> 01:03:26,800
Speaker 1: I'm gonna catch it for this, I would probably if

1410
01:03:26,840 --> 01:03:28,239
I could save picks.

1411
01:03:28,039 --> 01:03:29,559
Speaker 2: Well, both of them is the question.

1412
01:03:29,639 --> 01:03:33,480
Speaker 1: But like the Steph Castle Yannis fit is weird, especially

1413
01:03:33,519 --> 01:03:35,360
with Diarron Fox folded into.

1414
01:03:35,199 --> 01:03:38,039
Speaker 3: Their castle, is the one I'd give up first obviously, Well,

1415
01:03:38,079 --> 01:03:40,360
if I if you could trade, if Fox could be

1416
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:43,519
the salary ballast, like, would you consider that. I don't

1417
01:03:43,519 --> 01:03:45,079
know if the Bucks that have any interest in that,

1418
01:03:45,239 --> 01:03:47,760
but because you'd want the younger guys on rookie deals.

1419
01:03:47,880 --> 01:03:48,920
Speaker 2: But like it could say, if.

1420
01:03:48,800 --> 01:03:50,920
Speaker 1: You're also getting picks, they could say, well, we're just

1421
01:03:50,960 --> 01:03:52,760
we're gonna get these picks and then we're still gonna

1422
01:03:52,920 --> 01:03:54,960
try to compete. I also don't think the Aaron Fox

1423
01:03:55,039 --> 01:03:58,119
is single handedly ruining any tanking efforts.

1424
01:03:58,159 --> 01:04:00,519
Speaker 4: Probably nobbrobably not.

1425
01:04:00,639 --> 01:04:04,159
Speaker 2: The Bucks also should not be tanking beyond this seasons.

1426
01:04:03,840 --> 01:04:07,039
Speaker 3: Well it's it's just interesting to think about because if

1427
01:04:07,039 --> 01:04:10,559
you move Fox, it's kind of the same issue that

1428
01:04:10,639 --> 01:04:13,559
has been like back of mind for a while, like

1429
01:04:13,800 --> 01:04:15,480
is he really the guy you want to take your

1430
01:04:15,519 --> 01:04:18,320
shot on as like a max next to Wenby? You

1431
01:04:18,320 --> 01:04:20,239
get like a do over here because you add Giannis

1432
01:04:20,239 --> 01:04:22,119
into that space and then maybe you have room for

1433
01:04:22,159 --> 01:04:24,679
a third guy that isn't Fox with the flexibility you

1434
01:04:24,719 --> 01:04:25,960
add I don't know.

1435
01:04:26,079 --> 01:04:28,519
Speaker 1: You are you are betting at that point though, that

1436
01:04:29,119 --> 01:04:31,239
Dylan Harper is going to be for.

1437
01:04:31,199 --> 01:04:35,119
Speaker 3: Sure Yeah ready today basically, which is like kind of

1438
01:04:35,119 --> 01:04:37,920
an unfair bet to make. Yeah, if you add Giannis

1439
01:04:37,920 --> 01:04:39,920
you should probably you're trying to win the title now,

1440
01:04:40,280 --> 01:04:41,079
so maybe Fox.

1441
01:04:41,239 --> 01:04:42,679
Speaker 4: You shouldn't think about giving up Fox.

1442
01:04:42,719 --> 01:04:45,840
Speaker 1: And I think with this around half hazardly and I

1443
01:04:45,840 --> 01:04:48,360
know he's not dealing with anything chronic, but it's no

1444
01:04:48,480 --> 01:04:52,519
like you maximize the like Wemby is healthy now or

1445
01:04:52,559 --> 01:04:54,639
you don't. And as we're recording this is actually not

1446
01:04:54,840 --> 01:04:56,840
he's what is he going to be? Ten absence is

1447
01:04:56,840 --> 01:04:59,639
deep by the time this releases, So yeah, I think

1448
01:04:59,639 --> 01:05:01,920
you have have to keep Fox as the spurs. I

1449
01:05:01,960 --> 01:05:04,000
also don't know how much interest the Bucks would have

1450
01:05:04,079 --> 01:05:06,679
as part of it, right, It's the question would be

1451
01:05:07,480 --> 01:05:09,199
it's just like how many picks does it take if

1452
01:05:09,239 --> 01:05:11,480
you're trading one of Harper and Castle? And it's like

1453
01:05:11,519 --> 01:05:13,519
that might be the is this the team to where

1454
01:05:13,519 --> 01:05:15,320
it's well, this is kind of where the over under

1455
01:05:15,320 --> 01:05:17,079
of picks is set on a Giannis trade?

1456
01:05:17,119 --> 01:05:18,719
Speaker 2: Is it three and a half? Is that too high?

1457
01:05:18,760 --> 01:05:20,239
Are you going over under on that?

1458
01:05:21,519 --> 01:05:24,039
Speaker 3: I just it's so hard to know because you know,

1459
01:05:24,119 --> 01:05:26,400
you've got the Durant deal as one example, and then

1460
01:05:26,559 --> 01:05:28,440
I don't know what to do with the Bain deal

1461
01:05:28,960 --> 01:05:31,159
just because that was so many picks for a guy

1462
01:05:31,199 --> 01:05:34,519
that's just not on Gianni's level. And like, if you're

1463
01:05:34,559 --> 01:05:35,880
the Bucks, aren't you just saying.

1464
01:05:35,639 --> 01:05:38,119
Speaker 4: Like, look look at that. This is what this guy's worth.

1465
01:05:38,440 --> 01:05:39,320
Speaker 2: Do you know what I'm saying?

1466
01:05:39,639 --> 01:05:43,159
Speaker 1: In return, though they gave up some bad money and

1467
01:05:43,199 --> 01:05:45,880
they gave up zero, you're getting a Steph Castle and

1468
01:05:46,159 --> 01:05:47,039
or Dylan Harper.

1469
01:05:47,079 --> 01:05:48,960
Speaker 2: They didn't send out any prospects.

1470
01:05:49,079 --> 01:05:51,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, on that it was maybe mixed with it's the

1471
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:53,559
nix with bridges to where I'm not that was still

1472
01:05:53,599 --> 01:05:55,719
an overpay. But the reason so many picks were included

1473
01:05:55,760 --> 01:05:57,800
is they included zero usable players.

1474
01:05:58,000 --> 01:06:00,400
Speaker 3: Sure, so you can swap in the young your guys

1475
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:02,599
you're talking about, And maybe three and a half is

1476
01:06:02,639 --> 01:06:04,920
about the right number of at the over under for picks,

1477
01:06:04,920 --> 01:06:08,440
because if Castle and Harper are both in it, that's

1478
01:06:08,599 --> 01:06:12,599
that's too like unprotected first essentially, right, Like that's that's

1479
01:06:12,639 --> 01:06:13,239
what they're worth.

1480
01:06:13,519 --> 01:06:16,199
Speaker 1: They're both in It'm it better be the under of

1481
01:06:16,280 --> 01:06:18,519
picks otherwise that's wow.

1482
01:06:18,960 --> 01:06:20,320
Speaker 2: Like if if the Bucks.

1483
01:06:20,000 --> 01:06:22,400
Speaker 1: Get both of those guys and then even three to

1484
01:06:22,480 --> 01:06:25,079
four first round picks, I'll go as low as three

1485
01:06:25,239 --> 01:06:25,599
I would.

1486
01:06:26,519 --> 01:06:28,800
Speaker 2: It sounds stupid to say that's insane, but it's not.

1487
01:06:29,000 --> 01:06:30,360
We just had this conversation.

1488
01:06:31,360 --> 01:06:32,800
Speaker 4: I know, I know it's hard.

1489
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:35,599
Speaker 3: It's not a fair question because the offers would be different.

1490
01:06:36,039 --> 01:06:38,400
But between the Spurs and the Hawks, which of the

1491
01:06:38,400 --> 01:06:41,719
two do you think feels like they could is more

1492
01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:44,599
likely to say, like, we're we're actually good. We don't

1493
01:06:44,880 --> 01:06:46,280
we don't really have an offer for you.

1494
01:06:46,719 --> 01:06:47,599
Speaker 4: Ooh.

1495
01:06:48,199 --> 01:06:51,199
Speaker 1: I think it's the Hawks, and I think it might

1496
01:06:51,280 --> 01:06:56,320
just be more out of pure hesitance m rather than

1497
01:06:56,400 --> 01:06:57,039
the and they.

1498
01:06:56,960 --> 01:06:59,440
Speaker 4: Got that pick, they got the lottery ticket.

1499
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:00,280
Speaker 2: They have that pick.

1500
01:07:00,320 --> 01:07:02,440
Speaker 1: But it's you kind of mentioned this when you were

1501
01:07:02,440 --> 01:07:05,400
talking about the Hawks, where do you rank Atlanta in

1502
01:07:05,480 --> 01:07:09,079
the championship contender pecking order after they get Yannis? Whatever

1503
01:07:09,159 --> 01:07:12,280
permutation we build with the Spurs, as long as Wenby

1504
01:07:12,400 --> 01:07:14,719
is just still there, you're probably vaulting them into what

1505
01:07:14,800 --> 01:07:15,920
the top five teams?

1506
01:07:16,000 --> 01:07:19,679
Speaker 3: Right you're with You're with Houston and Denver like right

1507
01:07:19,679 --> 01:07:20,119
there with you.

1508
01:07:20,119 --> 01:07:21,199
Speaker 2: You're in that ZAR for sure.

1509
01:07:21,239 --> 01:07:23,239
Speaker 3: And you're also in the unique position of being able

1510
01:07:23,280 --> 01:07:25,480
to say, like, we present the Thunder a problem they

1511
01:07:25,519 --> 01:07:28,280
may not be able to solve because we have Wemby, Like,

1512
01:07:28,360 --> 01:07:30,280
that's that's an interesting spot to be.

1513
01:07:30,320 --> 01:07:33,000
Speaker 1: Which which team do you think has Does that mean

1514
01:07:33,000 --> 01:07:35,320
the Spurs have more incentive to go for it than

1515
01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:37,360
the Hawks? Says You could look at it and say, well,

1516
01:07:37,519 --> 01:07:41,039
San Antonio has their best guy already, right and Atlanta doesn't,

1517
01:07:41,079 --> 01:07:43,920
So should they be more desperate for Yannis? And I

1518
01:07:43,920 --> 01:07:46,159
still think the answer is just the Spurs should be

1519
01:07:46,159 --> 01:07:48,360
more desperate to win with Wemby than the Hawks at

1520
01:07:48,440 --> 01:07:50,719
taking sort of a stab in the dark with Giannis,

1521
01:07:50,800 --> 01:07:52,000
Jalen Johnson and guys.

1522
01:07:52,119 --> 01:07:54,679
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's way easier to justify a move if you

1523
01:07:54,719 --> 01:07:57,079
can say we don't need Giannis to be our best player.

1524
01:07:57,360 --> 01:07:59,920
It's it's almost like a luxury, you know. I think

1525
01:08:00,039 --> 01:08:02,000
I think that makes the Spurs the pick.

1526
01:08:02,360 --> 01:08:04,119
Speaker 1: Can I do a team that won't be involved? But

1527
01:08:04,159 --> 01:08:06,440
I want to do a thought exercise for you? Yes, please,

1528
01:08:07,920 --> 01:08:11,320
which team can have the best Giannis offer?

1529
01:08:12,000 --> 01:08:14,199
Speaker 2: The Spurs, the Thunder or the Hawks.

1530
01:08:15,400 --> 01:08:17,439
Speaker 1: If the Thunder aren't gonna go after Jannis, and by

1531
01:08:17,439 --> 01:08:19,640
the way, they shouldn't we just we Honestly the whole

1532
01:08:19,680 --> 01:08:23,800
discussion we just had, it would be malpractice for for OKAC.

1533
01:08:23,880 --> 01:08:24,239
Speaker 2: To do that.

1534
01:08:24,279 --> 01:08:26,680
Speaker 1: But does okay see The question is is OKAYC still

1535
01:08:26,680 --> 01:08:29,840
have the best possible trade package for Jannis or because

1536
01:08:29,880 --> 01:08:33,680
you know that J dub and Chet and SGA of

1537
01:08:33,720 --> 01:08:36,319
course wouldn't be in it. Does that sort of open

1538
01:08:36,399 --> 01:08:39,720
the door to Atlanta with giving the Bucks? Excuse me,

1539
01:08:39,720 --> 01:08:42,079
giving the Bucks? Yeah, though those that pick or two

1540
01:08:42,279 --> 01:08:44,760
or the Spurs with the young guys that they do

1541
01:08:44,840 --> 01:08:46,960
have to give up an edition of Picks? Does that

1542
01:08:47,079 --> 01:08:49,199
if OKAYC wanted to get involved but said, hey, J

1543
01:08:49,359 --> 01:08:52,239
Dub and Chet Homegrinner off limits, have we found the

1544
01:08:52,239 --> 01:08:54,880
recipe for beating an okay See trade off?

1545
01:08:55,039 --> 01:08:55,800
Speaker 4: I mean, so the.

1546
01:08:55,760 --> 01:08:59,319
Speaker 3: OKAC offer would have to be built around the Clippers

1547
01:08:59,359 --> 01:09:03,680
pick picks, I guess pick and swap and what they

1548
01:09:03,720 --> 01:09:06,279
have the top four protected sixers pick. They have the

1549
01:09:06,279 --> 01:09:09,319
top eight protected jazz pick, both in the immediate future.

1550
01:09:09,960 --> 01:09:12,199
So maybe you just overwhelm the Bucks with like sheer

1551
01:09:12,279 --> 01:09:13,880
volume you.

1552
01:09:13,800 --> 01:09:16,680
Speaker 1: Do your out years like twenty thirty and thirty two,

1553
01:09:16,680 --> 01:09:18,359
because then it's oh, Yiannis is what age?

1554
01:09:18,399 --> 01:09:18,560
Speaker 4: Is he?

1555
01:09:18,680 --> 01:09:20,880
Speaker 2: What ages? So you would have to do something like that.

1556
01:09:20,920 --> 01:09:24,479
Speaker 3: Probably, Yeah, does that I don't know if that's gonna

1557
01:09:24,479 --> 01:09:27,720
be the Clippers pick this year. That's still just not

1558
01:09:27,800 --> 01:09:31,439
more valuable than the pick Atlanta could send the you know,

1559
01:09:31,479 --> 01:09:33,640
the New Orleans Milwaukee one, I don't think, because you're

1560
01:09:33,640 --> 01:09:35,680
getting two cracks at it that way as the Bucks.

1561
01:09:36,000 --> 01:09:36,199
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1562
01:09:36,279 --> 01:09:38,399
Speaker 3: So, like in terms of like crown jewel asset, I

1563
01:09:38,399 --> 01:09:40,560
think maybe Atlanta has the best. Is that fair to

1564
01:09:40,560 --> 01:09:42,960
say Atlanta has the best thing you can offer.

1565
01:09:43,039 --> 01:09:46,000
Speaker 2: Realistically the best singular thing for sure.

1566
01:09:46,439 --> 01:09:47,000
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1567
01:09:47,159 --> 01:09:50,560
Speaker 3: So it's I mean, maybe this is what it's all

1568
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:52,920
been leading up to. This is why the Thunder been

1569
01:09:52,960 --> 01:09:55,359
hoarding all these picks or something like this. But like,

1570
01:09:56,680 --> 01:09:59,079
I don't I don't know if I'm it's it's a

1571
01:09:59,159 --> 01:10:01,880
volume question like, do you want the singular best asset

1572
01:10:01,960 --> 01:10:04,960
or do you want like the third, fifth, seventh, ninth, twelve,

1573
01:10:05,119 --> 01:10:06,520
fourteenth best assets.

1574
01:10:06,880 --> 01:10:09,960
Speaker 1: It's just stupid that we're having this conversation about a

1575
01:10:10,000 --> 01:10:11,359
team that has lost one game.

1576
01:10:11,640 --> 01:10:15,239
Speaker 4: This is do they need Giannis?

1577
01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:17,239
Speaker 2: Is there any other teams that you think?

1578
01:10:17,319 --> 01:10:19,399
Speaker 1: I think there's probably one that we have to talk

1579
01:10:19,399 --> 01:10:21,159
about right in the half two category?

1580
01:10:21,239 --> 01:10:22,039
Speaker 2: Or no? Are you already out?

1581
01:10:22,079 --> 01:10:22,720
Speaker 4: Oh?

1582
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:26,399
Speaker 3: I'd say there's two more. I'm curious who you think

1583
01:10:26,439 --> 01:10:28,840
the half too is? Is Golden State a have to?

1584
01:10:29,920 --> 01:10:33,239
Speaker 1: No, but let's make them a have to shocker you brought.

1585
01:10:33,319 --> 01:10:34,640
I just spent the whole time on it.

1586
01:10:34,760 --> 01:10:35,600
Speaker 2: I totally get where you go.

1587
01:10:35,960 --> 01:10:38,039
Speaker 4: I thought I thought you were gonna bring him up yourself.

1588
01:10:38,079 --> 01:10:39,840
Speaker 3: I mean, like, what does this look like? Is this

1589
01:10:40,039 --> 01:10:42,000
is this Jimmy Butler is the matching salary?

1590
01:10:42,039 --> 01:10:42,319
Speaker 4: I guess?

1591
01:10:42,359 --> 01:10:44,840
Speaker 3: And why do the Bucks want Jimmy Butler?

1592
01:10:45,159 --> 01:10:47,800
Speaker 2: Well they could just trade him for other picks gran Yeah, So.

1593
01:10:47,760 --> 01:10:50,159
Speaker 3: Then then this is immediately a third teamer because, like

1594
01:10:50,159 --> 01:10:51,720
you said, with the Knicks, the Bucks are like you

1595
01:10:51,960 --> 01:10:53,880
figure this out, Warriors, where's he going?

1596
01:10:54,039 --> 01:10:54,439
Speaker 4: Not here?

1597
01:10:54,880 --> 01:10:58,119
Speaker 3: So find your third team that wants Jimmy Butler at

1598
01:10:58,159 --> 01:11:00,960
this money, which your last trade deadline suggests that there

1599
01:11:00,960 --> 01:11:03,439
aren't a whole lot that are going to work, both

1600
01:11:03,479 --> 01:11:05,119
for him or for the team.

1601
01:11:05,399 --> 01:11:06,640
Speaker 4: Is Draymond.

1602
01:11:07,359 --> 01:11:09,119
Speaker 3: I don't think the Warriors are going to trade Draymond,

1603
01:11:09,199 --> 01:11:12,039
Like I just I just don't think, not because they shouldn't,

1604
01:11:12,119 --> 01:11:14,399
but just because they they will never do it. So

1605
01:11:14,479 --> 01:11:15,640
then that is just Jimmy.

1606
01:11:15,920 --> 01:11:18,199
Speaker 2: He also does it. He'll also do a lot of

1607
01:11:18,319 --> 01:11:21,239
stuff on defense that maybe Yan like if Janis wants

1608
01:11:21,399 --> 01:11:25,720
the fit is awful Jannis and Draymond. For sure, I

1609
01:11:25,760 --> 01:11:27,600
was gonna say, defensively, it's not is it.

1610
01:11:27,760 --> 01:11:28,760
Speaker 4: No, it's fine defensively.

1611
01:11:28,840 --> 01:11:33,640
Speaker 3: Offensively, it's just the only way they've figured out how

1612
01:11:33,640 --> 01:11:35,720
to make Draymond valuable on offense is to give him

1613
01:11:35,760 --> 01:11:37,520
the ball, and like you're not giving him the ball

1614
01:11:37,560 --> 01:11:40,520
over Yannis, and so he's just what he's standing.

1615
01:11:41,199 --> 01:11:42,880
Speaker 1: So the baseline, but let's say they were able to

1616
01:11:42,920 --> 01:11:45,479
find something for Butler, but like their baseline offer right

1617
01:11:45,520 --> 01:11:49,720
now is kaminga pods and like they can conditionally trade

1618
01:11:49,720 --> 01:11:53,319
for first round picks this season twenty eight, the front

1619
01:11:53,560 --> 01:11:56,880
like the better part of the twenty thirty thirty and

1620
01:11:56,920 --> 01:12:00,359
then twenty thirty two swaps in there that is the

1621
01:12:00,680 --> 01:12:03,520
meat and potato then plus what are you getting for that?

1622
01:12:03,600 --> 01:12:06,479
And you're taking back Kyle Kuzma, like because you're him

1623
01:12:06,479 --> 01:12:06,960
and Kamena.

1624
01:12:07,039 --> 01:12:08,479
Speaker 2: Let's say basically a wash salary.

1625
01:12:08,479 --> 01:12:11,560
Speaker 1: Wise, probably it would come down to who's giving you

1626
01:12:11,640 --> 01:12:15,399
what for Jimmy Butler. I don't have the faintest idea

1627
01:12:15,600 --> 01:12:17,279
you could find a team, but it's like, what is

1628
01:12:17,319 --> 01:12:20,159
the team that's okay, yeah, we'll give We'll give you

1629
01:12:20,279 --> 01:12:22,720
even a furt like are you getting two for Jimmy Butler?

1630
01:12:22,840 --> 01:12:25,119
Still really good? But what team is giving you one?

1631
01:12:25,359 --> 01:12:27,920
Two first round picks for Jimmy Butler? So two that

1632
01:12:28,039 --> 01:12:29,359
you can get Yannis Atten to.

1633
01:12:29,359 --> 01:12:31,039
Speaker 4: Kumbo right right right?

1634
01:12:31,159 --> 01:12:34,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's this one's kind of doa It's almost like

1635
01:12:34,840 --> 01:12:36,920
a knick situation the pick. There's more picks to be

1636
01:12:36,960 --> 01:12:39,880
traded and more like movable salary. But it's this will

1637
01:12:39,920 --> 01:12:43,720
not happen unless.

1638
01:12:42,199 --> 01:12:45,760
Speaker 1: Situations where you're trying to find the middle ground with Giannis,

1639
01:12:45,760 --> 01:12:47,640
where do the Bucks have to do right by Giannis?

1640
01:12:47,640 --> 01:12:49,880
And as an organization at this point, I'm looking out

1641
01:12:50,000 --> 01:12:52,079
for myself. But if you're trying to do the middle

1642
01:12:52,079 --> 01:12:54,479
ground because the Warriors can trade so many picks and

1643
01:12:54,479 --> 01:12:56,119
you get pads and kaminga. Maybe that's a team you

1644
01:12:56,159 --> 01:12:58,920
will want to talk to. And you're hoping Jimmy Butler

1645
01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:00,479
to or you're saying, we don't have her own picks.

1646
01:13:00,520 --> 01:13:02,880
Let's hope Jimmy Butler turns into a maniac for the

1647
01:13:02,880 --> 01:13:04,359
rest of the season and the team wants to give

1648
01:13:04,399 --> 01:13:05,720
up a bunch of stuff for him this summer.

1649
01:13:06,119 --> 01:13:09,359
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean highly unlikely, more likely than

1650
01:13:09,399 --> 01:13:10,840
the Knicks, but that's not saying anything.

1651
01:13:10,880 --> 01:13:13,199
Speaker 4: I'm curious who you think that the must talk about is.

1652
01:13:13,720 --> 01:13:16,079
Speaker 1: Oh, I'm surprised that you didn't have them, but Houston,

1653
01:13:16,520 --> 01:13:17,880
do you still not view them as a team that

1654
01:13:17,920 --> 01:13:18,760
we must talk about.

1655
01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:22,199
Speaker 4: I'm well, make the case because they're not quite on

1656
01:13:22,239 --> 01:13:25,920
the good and they don't care.

1657
01:13:26,039 --> 01:13:28,600
Speaker 3: They've figured out how to not have spacing be important,

1658
01:13:28,640 --> 01:13:30,520
so if anyone can fit him, it's them.

1659
01:13:30,600 --> 01:13:31,199
Speaker 4: Is that the dad.

1660
01:13:31,279 --> 01:13:33,439
Speaker 1: I reach the point to where, even if it was

1661
01:13:33,920 --> 01:13:37,159
they could sub out Giannis for Kevin Durant, they wouldn't

1662
01:13:37,199 --> 01:13:39,600
do it because of just the way that their team

1663
01:13:39,680 --> 01:13:41,079
is built.

1664
01:13:41,800 --> 01:13:44,199
Speaker 3: I think you probably rather have you, honest, I think,

1665
01:13:44,319 --> 01:13:46,399
than Kevin in a vacuum. But I'm just how does

1666
01:13:46,439 --> 01:13:46,960
that work?

1667
01:13:47,680 --> 01:13:49,079
Speaker 2: Well? I mean that you could fill.

1668
01:13:48,880 --> 01:13:51,479
Speaker 1: Into but they do if they wanted to say, hey,

1669
01:13:52,079 --> 01:13:55,520
Fred van Fleet once he's trade eligible. The Reed Shepherd's

1670
01:13:55,560 --> 01:13:57,520
kind of the young guy that because Jabari Smith Junior

1671
01:13:57,600 --> 01:13:59,800
is poison pilled, you're not trading Ahmed Thompson.

1672
01:14:00,640 --> 01:14:01,039
Speaker 2: I don't.

1673
01:14:01,279 --> 01:14:03,399
Speaker 1: I mean, if you really wanted, if you were looking,

1674
01:14:03,439 --> 01:14:06,119
if we're talking about young players who you think could

1675
01:14:06,159 --> 01:14:08,960
anchor the face of your future, keeping competitive now but

1676
01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:10,199
be around for a long time.

1677
01:14:10,319 --> 01:14:12,600
Speaker 4: Young Turkeys players. Yeah, is it?

1678
01:14:12,640 --> 01:14:13,800
Speaker 2: Is it alprin Shangoon?

1679
01:14:13,880 --> 01:14:17,119
Speaker 1: If they say hey, we want alprin Shangoon and fill

1680
01:14:17,159 --> 01:14:17,920
it out from there?

1681
01:14:18,640 --> 01:14:19,760
Speaker 2: Is Houston hanging up?

1682
01:14:23,000 --> 01:14:26,439
Speaker 3: I don't think they're hanging up, but it is interesting.

1683
01:14:26,520 --> 01:14:29,359
I think it might just be a no eventually, right,

1684
01:14:29,479 --> 01:14:32,159
like just cause it's the same thing with I don't know,

1685
01:14:32,159 --> 01:14:34,960
the sort of a a more serious version of the

1686
01:14:35,039 --> 01:14:37,039
Jalen Johnson thing of like, I don't know what you

1687
01:14:37,039 --> 01:14:38,760
think the next five years look like for both of

1688
01:14:38,800 --> 01:14:41,760
these guys, for Shangoon versus Gianness, Like in terms of

1689
01:14:41,800 --> 01:14:44,600
games played, I know who I'm betting on in terms

1690
01:14:44,600 --> 01:14:47,319
of peak performance it's obviously honest, but like how often

1691
01:14:47,319 --> 01:14:49,479
are you getting that in.

1692
01:14:49,479 --> 01:14:50,119
Speaker 4: Terms of fit?

1693
01:14:50,239 --> 01:14:52,720
Speaker 3: Like Shangoon has managed to fit, and like that was

1694
01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:55,960
a concern, right, Like can he is this gonna work

1695
01:14:56,000 --> 01:14:56,520
in Houston?

1696
01:14:56,600 --> 01:14:56,960
Speaker 4: With him?

1697
01:14:57,439 --> 01:14:59,520
Speaker 2: He'll probably make an All NBA team right now the season,

1698
01:14:59,600 --> 01:15:00,720
right right right, So.

1699
01:15:00,800 --> 01:15:03,680
Speaker 3: Like the gap is there's still a gap, Like Shannggoon

1700
01:15:03,800 --> 01:15:07,279
is not Yannis, but he's probably better than Jalen Johnson.

1701
01:15:07,600 --> 01:15:11,399
I mean, well, yeah, I think he is. But I

1702
01:15:11,439 --> 01:15:14,600
could imagine Houston just given the contract that Shangun is

1703
01:15:14,600 --> 01:15:17,439
on too. Like that's another similarity with Johnson where it's

1704
01:15:17,439 --> 01:15:18,239
like how did they do this?

1705
01:15:18,640 --> 01:15:21,199
Speaker 1: Does is there a point though, where it's the Bucks

1706
01:15:21,199 --> 01:15:24,039
would be willing to accept so few picks that Houston

1707
01:15:24,039 --> 01:15:25,439
would almost have to go Like what if they just

1708
01:15:25,439 --> 01:15:28,159
said we want shang Gun read Shepherd, make the money work,

1709
01:15:28,199 --> 01:15:31,520
give us one first round pick, so.

1710
01:15:31,479 --> 01:15:36,640
Speaker 3: You leave with you're built around then Amen Thompson, Jannis,

1711
01:15:38,039 --> 01:15:42,960
kd Jabari Smith kd Jabari Smith. That's pretty interesting. I

1712
01:15:43,359 --> 01:15:45,760
feel like how I just completely forget Kevin Durant after

1713
01:15:45,800 --> 01:15:47,359
you just mentioned him, Like who else is even on

1714
01:15:47,399 --> 01:15:47,800
this team?

1715
01:15:50,319 --> 01:15:52,399
Speaker 1: I don't think they're a real suitor for Janness anymore

1716
01:15:52,479 --> 01:15:54,279
for the KD trade. And I don't think they need

1717
01:15:54,279 --> 01:15:57,399
to be, but it would be are they having a conversation.

1718
01:15:57,600 --> 01:15:58,960
Speaker 2: They're probably having a conversation.

1719
01:15:58,960 --> 01:15:59,359
Speaker 4: I think so.

1720
01:16:00,000 --> 01:16:02,079
Speaker 3: I think they're having conversation and they probably like, look,

1721
01:16:02,079 --> 01:16:05,920
when they they targeted, they they went for Durant and

1722
01:16:06,039 --> 01:16:08,039
like they could have kept the powder dry if they

1723
01:16:08,039 --> 01:16:10,800
had wanted to, And and I think they decided like

1724
01:16:11,319 --> 01:16:14,439
not only is Durant like a superstar upgrade, not on

1725
01:16:14,479 --> 01:16:17,279
Yanni's level anymore, but like he he makes sense here

1726
01:16:17,560 --> 01:16:20,760
where like you can't really say with a straight face, no,

1727
01:16:20,840 --> 01:16:24,199
Yannis makes sense in Houston, like beyond he's a good player,

1728
01:16:24,239 --> 01:16:26,359
This is a good team. Figure it out, Like Durant

1729
01:16:26,439 --> 01:16:29,119
provides what the Rockets didn't have in a lot of ways,

1730
01:16:29,119 --> 01:16:30,600
and Yannis kind of doesn't do that.

1731
01:16:30,840 --> 01:16:32,960
Speaker 4: I don't think. No, I'm with you.

1732
01:16:33,319 --> 01:16:36,079
Speaker 1: Who was your So we've that's all the must twos, right,

1733
01:16:36,119 --> 01:16:37,880
there's not I mean the team we could man Jine,

1734
01:16:37,920 --> 01:16:40,800
if the Lakers just built something around Austin Reeves and

1735
01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:44,119
whatever picks they can give up, that's even if is

1736
01:16:44,159 --> 01:16:45,960
that even a middle ground offer or no, as the

1737
01:16:45,960 --> 01:16:47,920
Bucks that's not I'm not taking off on the Bucks.

1738
01:16:47,920 --> 01:16:51,239
Speaker 2: I'll say that flat out. But you know, you don't

1739
01:16:51,239 --> 01:16:53,039
know your own picks, and the Lakers are giving you some.

1740
01:16:54,039 --> 01:16:56,760
Speaker 3: From the Lakers' perspective, that's one where they're a cap

1741
01:16:56,840 --> 01:16:59,279
their position to be a cap space team, and maybe

1742
01:16:59,279 --> 01:17:01,600
they're just thinking, why are we giving up anything?

1743
01:17:01,880 --> 01:17:02,039
Speaker 2: Right?

1744
01:17:02,119 --> 01:17:03,439
Speaker 4: Like, isn't there the summer.

1745
01:17:03,239 --> 01:17:05,680
Speaker 2: Twenty honest Lebron is no trade close?

1746
01:17:05,960 --> 01:17:07,960
Speaker 4: Yeah? No, no, no, they could just wait it out.

1747
01:17:08,039 --> 01:17:10,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, Jannis has a player option for twenty seven to

1748
01:17:10,520 --> 01:17:12,680
twenty eight. If he doesn't sign an extension, any place

1749
01:17:13,039 --> 01:17:14,319
can opt out after next year.

1750
01:17:14,399 --> 01:17:18,079
Speaker 2: Free agency becoming cool. But yeah, I don't like, Yeah.

1751
01:17:17,920 --> 01:17:21,680
Speaker 4: The Lakers are gonna sign the guy. Yeah, I don't

1752
01:17:21,680 --> 01:17:22,119
know about that.

1753
01:17:22,479 --> 01:17:26,720
Speaker 3: The team I was gonna mention is Miami just because

1754
01:17:27,520 --> 01:17:30,560
like they could they have. I don't know you could

1755
01:17:30,560 --> 01:17:32,640
build it around I don't think you wanna, well, do

1756
01:17:32,760 --> 01:17:34,520
you or don't you want to build it around Bam

1757
01:17:34,840 --> 01:17:37,640
because wouldn't the idea be to borrow those two together?

1758
01:17:37,960 --> 01:17:41,199
Speaker 2: If you're the Bucks, you want Bam.

1759
01:17:40,399 --> 01:17:43,920
Speaker 3: Versus hero kololware and other stuff and picks.

1760
01:17:43,960 --> 01:17:46,119
Speaker 1: Well, I mean, I'm assuming I'm probably asking for other

1761
01:17:46,159 --> 01:17:48,439
stuff too, but the the actual trade seems like it

1762
01:17:48,439 --> 01:17:52,960
would be Hero kohlil Ware, Casper's jackacionnas Is being thrown

1763
01:17:52,960 --> 01:17:56,000
in there other money and then picks Yeah.

1764
01:17:56,600 --> 01:17:58,800
Speaker 3: But then then the reason I ask like, should it

1765
01:17:58,880 --> 01:18:00,640
or shouldn't be built around BAM, Like I don't love

1766
01:18:00,720 --> 01:18:03,159
the Bam Jannis fit at all. Get I guess BAM

1767
01:18:03,239 --> 01:18:05,800
shoots threes now, Yeah, so that's a little different than

1768
01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:10,159
it's been in the past. But and then defensively that's

1769
01:18:10,239 --> 01:18:12,279
gonna work fine because BAM can defend.

1770
01:18:12,920 --> 01:18:16,680
Speaker 2: Maybe Yannis might have certain defensive limitations. BAM just doesn't anymore.

1771
01:18:17,039 --> 01:18:17,880
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't know.

1772
01:18:17,960 --> 01:18:20,720
Speaker 3: And Miami, you know, maybe we've moved past the phase

1773
01:18:20,760 --> 01:18:23,479
of this would be another great test of like Miami

1774
01:18:23,560 --> 01:18:25,840
is kind of defined by a system now, and I

1775
01:18:26,159 --> 01:18:31,920
do think driving in space in isolation pretty good setup.

1776
01:18:32,279 --> 01:18:34,279
Speaker 4: So this would be like this would be that you

1777
01:18:34,319 --> 01:18:35,439
get to have it both ways.

1778
01:18:35,479 --> 01:18:39,359
Speaker 3: You get the ceiling raising superstar that fits what you're doing, but.

1779
01:18:40,199 --> 01:18:42,840
Speaker 1: Then you're just like that's it because like the heat

1780
01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:44,920
aren't super asset rich to begin with, So there are

1781
01:18:44,920 --> 01:18:48,279
another team to where it's is. Because honestly, would if

1782
01:18:48,279 --> 01:18:50,920
you had to give up just money and maybe the

1783
01:18:50,960 --> 01:18:52,920
Heats players are too valuable to ask this question. But

1784
01:18:52,960 --> 01:18:54,960
if you could give up just money for the Heat

1785
01:18:55,000 --> 01:18:57,279
to take a flyer on Zion this year versus having

1786
01:18:57,279 --> 01:19:01,159
to give up everything that's not but Bam to get Yannis,

1787
01:19:01,159 --> 01:19:03,439
what's the direction that's that you want for?

1788
01:19:04,439 --> 01:19:07,119
Speaker 3: Isn't that fun to have Zion in space just attacking

1789
01:19:07,319 --> 01:19:08,800
like when he's able to.

1790
01:19:08,960 --> 01:19:12,680
Speaker 1: And it's again Yiannis, way more reliable, way better.

1791
01:19:12,800 --> 01:19:14,359
Speaker 2: But you're giving up nothing.

1792
01:19:14,439 --> 01:19:17,359
Speaker 1: I'm thinking of the Heats matching salary though, and it's

1793
01:19:17,439 --> 01:19:18,840
just it would never be nothing.

1794
01:19:19,079 --> 01:19:19,560
Speaker 2: It would.

1795
01:19:20,880 --> 01:19:24,119
Speaker 3: And Wiggins is valuable to them, and then I mean

1796
01:19:24,119 --> 01:19:26,079
it might even have to be I forget is it

1797
01:19:26,159 --> 01:19:28,680
Hero and Wiggins? You probably you definitely don't do that

1798
01:19:28,680 --> 01:19:32,359
for Zion. Although Zion has the non guarantee thing right

1799
01:19:32,439 --> 01:19:34,399
like you, you do get to treat it like a

1800
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:37,399
like a just the freebie for you know, you see

1801
01:19:37,399 --> 01:19:40,800
what it looks like if you want to, and if

1802
01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:42,359
it does if you don't like it, yeah, well we

1803
01:19:42,359 --> 01:19:44,039
took a shot at it. We still have Bam and

1804
01:19:44,119 --> 01:19:45,159
all our picks and stuff.

1805
01:19:45,479 --> 01:19:48,000
Speaker 1: I think it Jannis and Bam would be fascinating, But

1806
01:19:48,000 --> 01:19:50,199
then it's you still. The way they're playing offense, I

1807
01:19:50,239 --> 01:19:52,439
guess they don't. The whole point is to not need

1808
01:19:52,479 --> 01:19:55,680
the guy that you know we've sort of referenced. But

1809
01:19:55,720 --> 01:19:57,840
I would just wonder what does that offense age like

1810
01:19:57,880 --> 01:19:59,880
in the playoffs, because we haven't seen it yet. For

1811
01:20:00,039 --> 01:20:01,680
I'm in the playoffs, I'd be curious to see what

1812
01:20:01,720 --> 01:20:02,319
it does look like.

1813
01:20:02,479 --> 01:20:04,039
Speaker 3: Be nice to have you honest if you weren't super

1814
01:20:04,079 --> 01:20:05,479
confident your scheme was gonna work.

1815
01:20:05,520 --> 01:20:05,720
Speaker 2: Though.

1816
01:20:07,079 --> 01:20:09,399
Speaker 1: The one of the other teams that I wondered if

1817
01:20:09,399 --> 01:20:13,039
they deserve to mention Detroit, he kind of he's at

1818
01:20:13,079 --> 01:20:15,600
the position where you could argue they need the upgrade,

1819
01:20:15,640 --> 01:20:18,479
but I'm not sure that he does enough of what

1820
01:20:18,520 --> 01:20:22,199
you want at that position. At the same time, Jannis

1821
01:20:22,279 --> 01:20:24,359
and Kate and I like, I don't know who's left over.

1822
01:20:24,399 --> 01:20:27,439
I'm assuming Milwaukee won't want much of Duran because of

1823
01:20:27,439 --> 01:20:29,239
how much he's gonna cost, and he sort of feels

1824
01:20:29,279 --> 01:20:33,239
like his leap is he's valuable when you already have

1825
01:20:33,359 --> 01:20:34,439
the guy around him.

1826
01:20:34,479 --> 01:20:36,039
Speaker 2: So Milwaukee doesn't have the guy.

1827
01:20:36,439 --> 01:20:38,239
Speaker 1: I don't know what Jalen durnamy'sm So you're looking at

1828
01:20:38,279 --> 01:20:40,000
Ron Holland, Asar Thompson and Picks.

1829
01:20:40,640 --> 01:20:43,000
Speaker 2: Is this just as John's not check enough of their boxes?

1830
01:20:43,000 --> 01:20:45,520
Speaker 1: If you're Detroit or you investigating it, because that's a

1831
01:20:45,560 --> 01:20:46,239
hell of a trio.

1832
01:20:47,279 --> 01:20:49,960
Speaker 4: Yeah, what's the what's the mark he asket? Going back?

1833
01:20:50,079 --> 01:20:52,399
Speaker 3: Is it Thompson or because like what Picks.

1834
01:20:52,239 --> 01:20:54,439
Speaker 2: Thompson and then it's it's Picks in Holland.

1835
01:20:54,520 --> 01:20:55,560
Speaker 4: Is that Thompson just.

1836
01:20:55,640 --> 01:20:59,119
Speaker 3: Isn't the best guy though, right, like he's I love

1837
01:20:59,159 --> 01:21:01,600
Thompson as a sub elementary piece and let and you know,

1838
01:21:01,640 --> 01:21:04,279
maybe this is true for both Thompson's like until the

1839
01:21:04,319 --> 01:21:07,880
shooting or I guess I should say, unless the shooting

1840
01:21:07,920 --> 01:21:11,399
comes around, They're just not You're they can't be a

1841
01:21:11,439 --> 01:21:13,199
centerpiece like for it for this kind.

1842
01:21:13,039 --> 01:21:13,920
Speaker 4: Of deal, I don't think.

1843
01:21:14,640 --> 01:21:17,520
Speaker 3: I imagine people feel a little bit differently about Amen

1844
01:21:17,640 --> 01:21:21,479
versus a SAR, but I don't know that they should.

1845
01:21:22,039 --> 01:21:24,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't love the Detroit fit.

1846
01:21:24,640 --> 01:21:27,920
Speaker 3: I I I think like, because if I'm Milwaukee, I

1847
01:21:27,960 --> 01:21:29,920
do want Duran in the deal, and I'm prepared to

1848
01:21:29,960 --> 01:21:33,439
pay him. But then like you're right, who's I guess

1849
01:21:33,520 --> 01:21:35,840
Ryan Rollins and Jalen Duran, let's go, Let's go into

1850
01:21:35,840 --> 01:21:38,279
the future boldly together like, that's that's kind of fun,

1851
01:21:38,319 --> 01:21:40,439
but like, how good are you really with those two guys?

1852
01:21:40,600 --> 01:21:40,760
Speaker 2: Right?

1853
01:21:41,920 --> 01:21:45,039
Speaker 1: Another team that could be semi interesting? There was one

1854
01:21:45,119 --> 01:21:47,920
more that So I'm just asking questions here. I want

1855
01:21:47,920 --> 01:21:51,239
to make that clear. What if the Pacers they're putting

1856
01:21:51,319 --> 01:21:54,159
just all the picks on the table, including this year's

1857
01:21:54,800 --> 01:21:57,359
to Milwaukee, And so the theory would be, what do

1858
01:21:57,399 --> 01:21:59,039
we have to do to make it work so that

1859
01:21:59,239 --> 01:22:02,560
it's Tyree's how Albert and Pascal Siakam and and Yannis?

1860
01:22:02,560 --> 01:22:03,119
Speaker 2: Next season?

1861
01:22:03,920 --> 01:22:05,159
Speaker 4: Man? What's that money look?

1862
01:22:05,279 --> 01:22:05,439
Speaker 2: Like?

1863
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Speaker 4: Where's that? I mean?

1864
01:22:06,600 --> 01:22:09,000
Speaker 2: Top in and Emhard is going out? You have Matt.

1865
01:22:11,720 --> 01:22:14,560
Speaker 3: You could really give the Bucks like I mean, I

1866
01:22:14,720 --> 01:22:17,359
I think that the Pacers supporting cast is very competent

1867
01:22:17,399 --> 01:22:19,800
and generally like fairly paid. You could just give the

1868
01:22:19,800 --> 01:22:22,560
Bucks all those guys. This is the ultimate you. You

1869
01:22:22,720 --> 01:22:24,960
keep trying to do this, you, this is the ultimate

1870
01:22:24,960 --> 01:22:27,600
test of like do you disrupt a system to add

1871
01:22:27,640 --> 01:22:28,239
a superstar?

1872
01:22:28,680 --> 01:22:31,960
Speaker 1: Would you consider building something around Passcal for Yannis so

1873
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:34,720
that you have Tyre and Giannis instead of Passcal and honest?

1874
01:22:34,760 --> 01:22:35,279
Speaker 2: Next season?

1875
01:22:37,439 --> 01:22:40,560
Speaker 3: Man, I don't know. I don't want to mess with

1876
01:22:40,600 --> 01:22:42,159
the Pacers in that way.

1877
01:22:43,119 --> 01:22:46,119
Speaker 1: Right, it's also tough without knowing what they're like. Tyr's

1878
01:22:46,159 --> 01:22:47,399
Halburt is gonna look like too.

1879
01:22:47,920 --> 01:22:50,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean in one sense, I keep saying like

1880
01:22:50,239 --> 01:22:53,560
this disrupts the whole deal. But like part of why

1881
01:22:53,600 --> 01:22:56,079
I like Haliburton so much is like, if he's just

1882
01:22:56,119 --> 01:22:58,359
playing off of Yiannis, I think he's close to as

1883
01:22:58,439 --> 01:23:00,680
valuable as he is in his or was in.

1884
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Speaker 4: His role last year.

1885
01:23:01,880 --> 01:23:05,199
Speaker 3: So it's not it's not quite as like it doesn't

1886
01:23:05,279 --> 01:23:09,439
up end the whole thing quite the same way. Siakam,

1887
01:23:09,560 --> 01:23:12,319
just like Sacam, is also so scalable though, and so

1888
01:23:12,479 --> 01:23:15,800
and can do so many different things. I think like

1889
01:23:16,720 --> 01:23:19,119
if I knew Haliburton was gonna if you could promise

1890
01:23:19,159 --> 01:23:22,960
me Haliburton was just gonna be exactly as good as

1891
01:23:23,000 --> 01:23:27,199
he was, then maybe you do that because you can

1892
01:23:27,479 --> 01:23:30,720
figure out the rotation. In other ways, you just replenish

1893
01:23:30,800 --> 01:23:33,319
your depth somehow, and Giannis gives you a higher ceiling

1894
01:23:33,359 --> 01:23:36,439
than Siakam does. But that's I don't know that I'm

1895
01:23:36,479 --> 01:23:37,079
having a hard.

1896
01:23:36,960 --> 01:23:39,319
Speaker 4: Time trading honest anywhere. Is we're literally what this keeps

1897
01:23:39,359 --> 01:23:39,880
coming back to?

1898
01:23:40,880 --> 01:23:42,880
Speaker 2: Could I continue just asking questions?

1899
01:23:42,920 --> 01:23:43,239
Speaker 4: Please?

1900
01:23:44,560 --> 01:23:48,119
Speaker 1: Is Toronto off the table? If Scottie Barnes is involved,

1901
01:23:49,680 --> 01:23:50,199
how are you.

1902
01:23:50,119 --> 01:23:53,000
Speaker 3: What do you what are the Bucks looking at and

1903
01:23:53,039 --> 01:23:54,800
saying we get we wall the picks?

1904
01:23:55,119 --> 01:23:59,079
Speaker 2: And then do you want? You want Jacob Puddle? Do

1905
01:23:59,119 --> 01:24:01,960
you want RJ? Barrett em Manuel quickly brandon Ingram of

1906
01:24:01,960 --> 01:24:03,159
course is there?

1907
01:24:04,399 --> 01:24:06,359
Speaker 3: I think I need Barnes if I'm the Bucks, and

1908
01:24:06,439 --> 01:24:09,680
I'm just like not that interested if he's not in it.

1909
01:24:09,720 --> 01:24:12,319
Speaker 1: To be clear, I will heartily agree. Is Scotty Barnes

1910
01:24:12,319 --> 01:24:13,840
off the table if you're in Toronto?

1911
01:24:15,600 --> 01:24:15,880
Speaker 2: Hmm?

1912
01:24:16,159 --> 01:24:17,079
Speaker 4: I don't know if he should be.

1913
01:24:17,439 --> 01:24:19,279
Speaker 3: I really I think I think Scotty Barnes has a

1914
01:24:19,279 --> 01:24:20,920
good shot at all defense and all.

1915
01:24:22,159 --> 01:24:24,960
Speaker 1: He's like in my kind of the nine ten range

1916
01:24:24,960 --> 01:24:26,319
on my MVP ballot right now.

1917
01:24:26,479 --> 01:24:28,880
Speaker 2: So I might just be a little bit too. Yeah,

1918
01:24:29,159 --> 01:24:32,239
but I'm sort of just again, what is the messiu?

1919
01:24:32,319 --> 01:24:35,439
Jerry's gone too? And so if that's if the ties

1920
01:24:35,479 --> 01:24:37,039
with Giannis was a big part of that, I don't

1921
01:24:37,079 --> 01:24:39,039
know if he's gonna like if that's gonna help you there?

1922
01:24:40,439 --> 01:24:44,720
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, and does Giannis on that team?

1923
01:24:45,039 --> 01:24:47,319
Speaker 4: How good are the Raptors? Are they? You know?

1924
01:24:48,000 --> 01:24:50,840
Speaker 3: Does that make them? They're definitely better than Detroit and

1925
01:24:50,880 --> 01:24:54,800
Cleveland like and these I mean probably on pay like

1926
01:24:54,840 --> 01:24:57,560
their championship odds would definitely be right there with those

1927
01:24:57,600 --> 01:24:58,439
teams or above them.

1928
01:24:58,479 --> 01:25:01,239
Speaker 1: But some of these teams become much more interesting if

1929
01:25:01,239 --> 01:25:04,479
the Bucks have their own picks, because they might just

1930
01:25:04,520 --> 01:25:07,319
be interested in the idea of let's overload us with

1931
01:25:07,439 --> 01:25:09,880
picks and we'll take salary back. It doesn't need to

1932
01:25:09,920 --> 01:25:12,319
have a tent pole youngster, but even with a good

1933
01:25:12,319 --> 01:25:15,680
twenty twenty six pick expected to be in their clip,

1934
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they kind of have to think it through it in

1935
01:25:18,279 --> 01:25:21,920
terms of, Okay, we need someone to look at as

1936
01:25:22,359 --> 01:25:24,760
they're good now, but they might still be around to

1937
01:25:24,800 --> 01:25:27,359
be able to headline things in the future, co headline things.

1938
01:25:27,479 --> 01:25:32,800
Yeah right, are you at all if you're Memphis investigating?

1939
01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:38,880
Speaker 2: Is it John Moran? Is it Jared Jackson Junior? And picks?

1940
01:25:38,880 --> 01:25:41,159
Speaker 4: Memphis does have picks now some of the.

1941
01:25:41,439 --> 01:25:44,079
Speaker 2: Is it Cedric Cowherd and picks? Does that get the

1942
01:25:44,079 --> 01:25:46,960
Bucks's attention? Yeah?

1943
01:25:47,159 --> 01:25:49,640
Speaker 4: Right? The thing is like a lot of it rests.

1944
01:25:49,640 --> 01:25:52,600
Speaker 3: I don't know if the idea from Memphis perspective would

1945
01:25:52,640 --> 01:25:55,439
have to be Jackson and Jannis together, So I don't

1946
01:25:55,479 --> 01:25:58,239
think Jackson's in this deal and that means like Morant

1947
01:25:58,279 --> 01:26:01,319
probably is and that might just be I'm sure there

1948
01:26:01,319 --> 01:26:04,520
are teams that are just like, no, not interested. But

1949
01:26:04,680 --> 01:26:07,479
I guess if you package, if Coward's in it, and

1950
01:26:07,520 --> 01:26:10,840
there's a pick or two or three, that's.

1951
01:26:10,720 --> 01:26:11,239
Speaker 4: The other thing.

1952
01:26:11,359 --> 01:26:13,079
Speaker 3: If you include Moran, does that mean you have to

1953
01:26:13,079 --> 01:26:14,479
add more picks?

1954
01:26:14,479 --> 01:26:16,760
Speaker 4: Like? Yeah, like is that where they are?

1955
01:26:17,079 --> 01:26:19,039
Speaker 1: I'm not viewing him as a negative asset, but it's

1956
01:26:19,039 --> 01:26:22,600
not Oh, You're getting Moran and one pick and that's enough, right, Yeah?

1957
01:26:22,760 --> 01:26:26,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean Moran in theory, is someone that if

1958
01:26:26,840 --> 01:26:29,000
this is the other the core question is like, what

1959
01:26:29,000 --> 01:26:30,000
do the Bucks want out of this?

1960
01:26:30,199 --> 01:26:31,359
Speaker 4: If they want a hard reset?

1961
01:26:31,399 --> 01:26:33,880
Speaker 3: If so, then morent is not something you're interested in.

1962
01:26:33,960 --> 01:26:36,039
But if it's we would like some butts in seats

1963
01:26:36,079 --> 01:26:39,560
and we would like, you know, to be entertaining. In theory,

1964
01:26:39,600 --> 01:26:42,039
Moran could do that. But maybe that's the thing. Like

1965
01:26:42,079 --> 01:26:44,399
the reason we're even discussing him is because nobody's sure

1966
01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:46,439
that that guy is there anymore.

1967
01:26:48,920 --> 01:26:52,560
Speaker 4: I Yeah, I don't know what is this? Is this

1968
01:26:52,600 --> 01:26:54,319
a just asking questions or is there a part of

1969
01:26:54,359 --> 01:26:55,439
this fit that you actually like?

1970
01:26:55,840 --> 01:26:57,680
Speaker 1: I mean him and charn Jackson Junior will be fire.

1971
01:26:57,720 --> 01:26:59,880
But I just this doesn't seem like a Memphis Grizzlies thing.

1972
01:27:00,239 --> 01:27:02,199
What do you make of the Calves always get thrown

1973
01:27:02,239 --> 01:27:05,840
around here to where because they can trade like some

1974
01:27:06,039 --> 01:27:09,279
first round equity down the line. But are you including

1975
01:27:09,520 --> 01:27:12,199
who's off limits in a trade for Yannis from the Calves?

1976
01:27:12,239 --> 01:27:13,800
Would be it's the real question here.

1977
01:27:14,079 --> 01:27:16,880
Speaker 3: I mean, so the thing that gets this done is

1978
01:27:16,960 --> 01:27:20,359
MOBILEI and I just like the idea, similar to Memphis

1979
01:27:20,439 --> 01:27:24,119
with Jackson is like, wouldn't don't you just if you're Cleveland?

1980
01:27:24,119 --> 01:27:26,560
Aren't you only doing this because you think Jiannis and

1981
01:27:26,600 --> 01:27:28,439
Mobley could get you over the top.

1982
01:27:28,800 --> 01:27:33,279
Speaker 1: So I guess I don't think that Jannis is a Yannis,

1983
01:27:33,359 --> 01:27:35,439
that Evan Mobley is a glorified role player.

1984
01:27:35,640 --> 01:27:38,600
Speaker 3: So that's with the pendulum has swung way too far,

1985
01:27:38,760 --> 01:27:40,680
way too fast on on MOBILEI.

1986
01:27:43,000 --> 01:27:44,399
Speaker 4: I think maybe would you, I'd be.

1987
01:27:44,359 --> 01:27:46,920
Speaker 3: More inclined, and Jared Allen would probably just need to

1988
01:27:46,960 --> 01:27:48,760
go in a separate deal, I think, because I don't

1989
01:27:48,760 --> 01:27:51,640
know why the Bucks would have interest there. I could

1990
01:27:51,720 --> 01:27:55,680
get behind Garland being in it just just because you

1991
01:27:55,760 --> 01:27:58,079
get rid of the too small guard thing and you've

1992
01:27:58,079 --> 01:28:01,119
got plenty of questions about Garlands Durabil At this point.

1993
01:28:01,159 --> 01:28:04,520
Speaker 1: I just Garland, Alan and a first like the first

1994
01:28:04,600 --> 01:28:07,159
round pick that they could trade swaps throw in there is.

1995
01:28:07,199 --> 01:28:09,159
I don't think it's an you'd need like a team

1996
01:28:09,239 --> 01:28:12,039
to really overload the bucks with first round picks for

1997
01:28:12,199 --> 01:28:13,680
Garland and or Alan.

1998
01:28:13,800 --> 01:28:16,039
Speaker 4: Ye there, yeah, there's no way that's your The best

1999
01:28:16,079 --> 01:28:16,960
offer would you.

2000
01:28:17,000 --> 01:28:19,039
Speaker 2: Do if you're Cleveland, Mobley in a first round pick

2001
01:28:19,079 --> 01:28:19,560
for you, honest?

2002
01:28:20,000 --> 01:28:20,680
Speaker 4: I don't think so.

2003
01:28:21,000 --> 01:28:22,920
Speaker 2: Just Mobley straight up for honest.

2004
01:28:24,399 --> 01:28:27,680
Speaker 4: I mean you probably have to, but I don't.

2005
01:28:27,720 --> 01:28:30,359
Speaker 3: I wouldn't feel good about it because because the Calves

2006
01:28:30,359 --> 01:28:32,600
are trying to win right now, and it's nice that

2007
01:28:32,640 --> 01:28:34,520
Mobley has a long runway and we'll be good for

2008
01:28:34,520 --> 01:28:37,840
a long time. But is Yiannis better than Evan Mobley today?

2009
01:28:38,359 --> 01:28:40,960
I think so, and probably next year and then after

2010
01:28:41,000 --> 01:28:43,079
that who knows. But I think I think if the

2011
01:28:43,119 --> 01:28:45,680
Calves are all in, then you do you do that

2012
01:28:46,199 --> 01:28:47,600
again with reservations.

2013
01:28:48,079 --> 01:28:49,840
Speaker 1: I have one final one before we get to stat

2014
01:28:49,880 --> 01:28:52,159
padding with a special guest, and this is this is

2015
01:28:52,239 --> 01:28:55,119
really just asking questions and one of one part of

2016
01:28:55,119 --> 01:28:56,920
it's only feasible when we get to the summer.

2017
01:28:56,960 --> 01:28:58,199
Speaker 2: Do you see where I'm going with this.

2018
01:28:58,920 --> 01:29:00,640
Speaker 3: No, I'm excited to get there with you.

2019
01:29:01,239 --> 01:29:04,760
Speaker 2: If you're the Magic, do you think like, what if?

2020
01:29:05,039 --> 01:29:07,520
Speaker 1: Do you think about if it's just Franz Wagner or

2021
01:29:07,640 --> 01:29:10,079
Palo Bank Caro Free honest.

2022
01:29:10,600 --> 01:29:15,000
Speaker 3: Hmmm, I think about it. I definitely think about it.

2023
01:29:15,840 --> 01:29:17,319
Speaker 2: I'm having conversations. I don't.

2024
01:29:17,439 --> 01:29:19,199
Speaker 1: By the way, the Magic are not better off without

2025
01:29:19,239 --> 01:29:20,880
bang Carow is currently constructed.

2026
01:29:21,079 --> 01:29:23,720
Speaker 3: I want to make that you're clearly not getting caught

2027
01:29:23,800 --> 01:29:24,760
up in the wave of.

2028
01:29:25,520 --> 01:29:28,279
Speaker 1: I'm just laughing because it's Oh, Palo's coming back and

2029
01:29:28,319 --> 01:29:30,239
the Magic were just top ten in offense and defense

2030
01:29:30,279 --> 01:29:32,159
the past ten games. Do you know what they were

2031
01:29:32,239 --> 01:29:34,439
in the previous seven games before he got injured? Grant

2032
01:29:35,039 --> 01:29:36,399
top ten defense.

2033
01:29:37,439 --> 01:29:39,119
Speaker 4: It's just I'm just are you ready for the ball

2034
01:29:39,159 --> 01:29:40,479
to stop all the time again?

2035
01:29:40,560 --> 01:29:40,720
Speaker 3: Dan?

2036
01:29:40,880 --> 01:29:43,520
Speaker 4: Is that what you're excited to watch with the Orlando Magic? Great?

2037
01:29:43,600 --> 01:29:44,199
Good good night.

2038
01:29:44,439 --> 01:29:46,600
Speaker 2: So you think they're better without Palo, No, I don't.

2039
01:29:46,640 --> 01:29:49,000
Speaker 4: I think that's pentagon too far.

2040
01:29:50,439 --> 01:29:52,640
Speaker 3: I'm more open to that idea than I am to

2041
01:29:52,720 --> 01:29:56,039
the Evan Mobley's trash idea that that has gotten way

2042
01:29:56,039 --> 01:29:56,720
out of hand.

2043
01:29:57,399 --> 01:29:58,479
Speaker 4: But I don't believe that either.

2044
01:29:59,279 --> 01:30:02,199
Speaker 1: This is all sort of just to say that there's

2045
01:30:02,199 --> 01:30:04,079
probably only a handful of teams that makes sense for

2046
01:30:04,119 --> 01:30:06,880
the Bucks. And how do you see this ending? Do

2047
01:30:06,880 --> 01:30:08,920
you think he gets traded? We both thinks he gets traded.

2048
01:30:08,960 --> 01:30:10,399
Do you think it's gonna be mid season? Do you

2049
01:30:10,439 --> 01:30:13,159
think it's gonna be after the fact.

2050
01:30:13,000 --> 01:30:17,079
Speaker 3: That I'm gonna guess he does. Joannis does get traded,

2051
01:30:17,119 --> 01:30:21,920
and it does happen this season, even though it's just

2052
01:30:22,079 --> 01:30:24,439
harder to do now than it would have been last summer,

2053
01:30:24,439 --> 01:30:26,640
and it's probably harder than it'll be next summer. I

2054
01:30:26,680 --> 01:30:29,439
just think we've had enough laps of the same thing

2055
01:30:30,239 --> 01:30:33,199
and everybody's gonna want to just get it done. That's

2056
01:30:33,279 --> 01:30:34,439
my that's my gut right now.

2057
01:30:34,439 --> 01:30:39,800
Speaker 2: What do you think I think it's gonna get done? Yeah,

2058
01:30:40,039 --> 01:30:40,800
maybe this season.

2059
01:30:41,039 --> 01:30:43,079
Speaker 1: It's gonna get done before next season, and I think

2060
01:30:43,079 --> 01:30:45,079
it should be the Spurs. I think there's gonna be

2061
01:30:45,119 --> 01:30:46,840
other teams that are just like in Atlanta, might be

2062
01:30:46,840 --> 01:30:50,800
a little trigger shy there, and I don't see the

2063
01:30:50,880 --> 01:30:53,039
popular teams he would really have to force his way,

2064
01:30:53,079 --> 01:30:54,880
like the Knicks. I know that he thought a deal

2065
01:30:55,000 --> 01:30:57,840
was happening which is notable, but also I just don't

2066
01:30:58,159 --> 01:31:00,399
don't see it. It's to me, it's just based off

2067
01:31:00,439 --> 01:31:03,439
where the Rockets and Thunder are in their competitive timelines.

2068
01:31:03,520 --> 01:31:05,359
I view this as almost as like, oh, it's the

2069
01:31:05,359 --> 01:31:07,319
Spurs or the Hawks, right, this is it?

2070
01:31:07,880 --> 01:31:08,640
Speaker 4: Those would be the two.

2071
01:31:08,680 --> 01:31:10,520
Speaker 3: If you gave me those two versus the field, I

2072
01:31:10,520 --> 01:31:13,680
would take those two. If you said pick one that,

2073
01:31:13,760 --> 01:31:16,359
I'm not sure, but those two feel like it's just

2074
01:31:16,359 --> 01:31:18,840
that's why we started with them. Those are the most logical.

2075
01:31:18,960 --> 01:31:23,640
They've got what it would take. They're roughly, although slightly

2076
01:31:23,680 --> 01:31:27,159
differently in the spot where yeah, the swing like this

2077
01:31:27,239 --> 01:31:29,960
kind of makes sense. So I think it's them or

2078
01:31:30,279 --> 01:31:32,319
I don't know. If it were a third team, I

2079
01:31:32,319 --> 01:31:34,359
would I'm ready to be surprised.

2080
01:31:35,000 --> 01:31:43,279
Speaker 1: Welcome to the next be honest, it's stat padding time,

2081
01:31:43,520 --> 01:31:46,600
special stat padding. For anyone listening or watching on YouTube,

2082
01:31:46,640 --> 01:31:50,640
we would like to officially introduce you to Hardwood Knox's

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01:31:51,239 --> 01:31:56,560
social media video editor, extraordinary mister Andrew Willett. Follow him

2084
01:31:56,560 --> 01:31:59,119
on the social machines links from the podcast YouTube description

2085
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or just at the AC will it twenty two? That's

2086
01:32:02,960 --> 01:32:06,520
at the AC w I L L E T t

2087
01:32:06,640 --> 01:32:07,199
A twenty two.

2088
01:32:07,319 --> 01:32:10,439
Speaker 2: Go follow him on all the socials. Andrew, you've been doing.

2089
01:32:10,239 --> 01:32:12,520
Speaker 1: Great work for us up on the tiktoks and the

2090
01:32:12,560 --> 01:32:15,159
YouTube shorts and the ig reels.

2091
01:32:15,760 --> 01:32:17,920
Speaker 2: How are you doing, sir?

2092
01:32:19,000 --> 01:32:23,079
Speaker 5: Doing great? I actually I want to know how more

2093
01:32:23,119 --> 01:32:24,439
than anything, how Grant's doing.

2094
01:32:25,520 --> 01:32:28,840
Speaker 4: I was just enjoying, like somebody else has to feel

2095
01:32:28,920 --> 01:32:29,880
this one. I hate this.

2096
01:32:29,840 --> 01:32:32,439
Speaker 3: Question so much. I never know what to say. Now

2097
01:32:32,439 --> 01:32:34,039
you get it right, What do you say?

2098
01:32:34,279 --> 01:32:35,359
Speaker 2: What do you say? I don't know?

2099
01:32:35,520 --> 01:32:38,520
Speaker 4: Fine? Fine, Dan, We're both fine.

2100
01:32:39,119 --> 01:32:42,720
Speaker 2: I apologize for caring. Guys, I'm just thank you.

2101
01:32:42,920 --> 01:32:44,920
Speaker 4: It's been a while, It's been a long time coming.

2102
01:32:45,800 --> 01:32:49,520
Speaker 1: So we get to do triple like three people working well,

2103
01:32:49,520 --> 01:32:51,159
two people working through a guest, a player from the

2104
01:32:51,159 --> 01:32:51,680
third person.

2105
01:32:51,680 --> 01:32:52,640
Speaker 2: This is a special.

2106
01:32:52,319 --> 01:32:55,039
Speaker 1: Episode of stat Padding, But we wanted to ask you

2107
01:32:55,079 --> 01:32:57,720
just based off your background, Andrew, do you havent do

2108
01:32:57,760 --> 01:32:59,920
you have any NBA allegiances?

2109
01:33:00,239 --> 01:33:01,840
Speaker 2: Is it looks like you might be a Bucks fan

2110
01:33:02,000 --> 01:33:02,640
behind you that.

2111
01:33:02,880 --> 01:33:06,880
Speaker 5: Yeah, the past twenty four or forty eight hours has

2112
01:33:06,920 --> 01:33:11,439
been really upsetting for me as a No.

2113
01:33:11,960 --> 01:33:15,199
Speaker 3: I'm a huge Celtics fan. I have been since the

2114
01:33:15,319 --> 01:33:20,479
twenty ten finals. So who is your who's your guy?

2115
01:33:21,079 --> 01:33:22,399
Speaker 4: Is it Tatum?

2116
01:33:22,880 --> 01:33:24,800
Speaker 5: Jalen Brown's my favorite Celtics full?

2117
01:33:25,159 --> 01:33:27,079
Speaker 4: Oh excellent? I love it.

2118
01:33:27,079 --> 01:33:30,359
Speaker 5: Grew up a huge Rondo fan. Huh, and you're gonna

2119
01:33:30,359 --> 01:33:32,479
love this. Grant Steph Curry has been my favorite player

2120
01:33:32,560 --> 01:33:33,760
for several years.

2121
01:33:34,239 --> 01:33:37,239
Speaker 4: You're only human? What other choices there?

2122
01:33:37,600 --> 01:33:40,640
Speaker 2: Now? Where does Jordan Walsh rank on this scal for you?

2123
01:33:40,720 --> 01:33:41,239
Right now?

2124
01:33:42,039 --> 01:33:44,039
Speaker 5: Did I send you this message because I was talking

2125
01:33:44,079 --> 01:33:46,880
to someone. He's the best Celtic since Jalen Brown?

2126
01:33:47,079 --> 01:33:48,359
Speaker 4: So there you go.

2127
01:33:50,560 --> 01:33:53,199
Speaker 2: The other question? So you are younger than Grant and I.

2128
01:33:53,279 --> 01:33:55,079
Speaker 1: The streets are saying, so does this prove the fact

2129
01:33:55,119 --> 01:33:56,880
that you listen to this podcast? Is this proof of

2130
01:33:56,920 --> 01:33:59,640
concept that Grant and I are also young and hip

2131
01:34:00,079 --> 01:34:05,600
and know and know what it do and things like that?

2132
01:34:03,159 --> 01:34:07,880
Speaker 2: What's that might have been, sus.

2133
01:34:11,119 --> 01:34:14,600
Speaker 5: I can't claime to be young or hip. I can't

2134
01:34:14,600 --> 01:34:16,560
claim to be you. I can't claim to be hip.

2135
01:34:16,640 --> 01:34:19,640
Speaker 4: So you're in the right place in that case.

2136
01:34:20,640 --> 01:34:25,359
Speaker 1: Are we ready for some Guessa players? So ready, We're

2137
01:34:25,359 --> 01:34:27,479
gonna fall into the gap. I will start so for

2138
01:34:27,479 --> 01:34:29,560
anyone who's new around these parts, I'm gonna read the

2139
01:34:29,560 --> 01:34:32,720
clues and now Andrew and Grant, who have just met

2140
01:34:32,760 --> 01:34:35,640
in person for the first time virtually, are gonna have

2141
01:34:35,680 --> 01:34:38,680
to figure it out. And I think are we gonna

2142
01:34:38,680 --> 01:34:40,920
write off the bat? Have to get into the mind

2143
01:34:41,079 --> 01:34:46,960
of associate. What I'm just wondering is that what is that?

2144
01:34:46,960 --> 01:34:47,840
Speaker 2: That what we're gonna have to do?

2145
01:34:48,159 --> 01:34:49,960
Speaker 3: I unlike you have not looked at these ahead of

2146
01:34:50,000 --> 01:34:52,880
time so I can approach this contest with integrity.

2147
01:34:54,119 --> 01:34:56,760
Speaker 1: Are you sure that you haven't looked at it ahead

2148
01:34:56,760 --> 01:34:58,479
of time? I'm trying to think. It doesn't look like

2149
01:34:58,520 --> 01:35:01,319
we got one from Bill for you, Grant. That's a

2150
01:35:01,520 --> 01:35:06,000
that's rough stuff. But so we'll begin for Yeah, okay,

2151
01:35:06,000 --> 01:35:08,800
so we're gonna go with this one from Camden twenty

2152
01:35:09,239 --> 01:35:13,159
ninety one. Clue number one, folks, the first player to

2153
01:35:13,239 --> 01:35:21,159
have a triple double in his first NBA start. WHOA, hmmm,

2154
01:35:22,880 --> 01:35:25,399
I think you're only getting four clues guys by the board?

2155
01:35:25,479 --> 01:35:28,880
Speaker 2: No wait, hold on, is this that was there? Only?

2156
01:35:28,960 --> 01:35:30,800
Speaker 1: Is this the only clue? I'm sorry, We're gonna need

2157
01:35:30,840 --> 01:35:33,159
to double check this. This might be the only clue.

2158
01:35:34,680 --> 01:35:38,079
Speaker 5: Grant, like Michael Porter Williams, had to have been very close.

2159
01:35:38,439 --> 01:35:42,840
Speaker 4: Oh that's interesting. She got there that's a great pull though.

2160
01:35:43,199 --> 01:35:47,720
Speaker 3: Uh my, my mind went to Alfred Peyton, but I

2161
01:35:47,760 --> 01:35:49,479
know we've done him before.

2162
01:35:51,319 --> 01:35:55,439
Speaker 4: And I can't imagine. Yeah, right, so that's weird that.

2163
01:35:55,319 --> 01:36:00,680
Speaker 2: That's the only I'm laughing. This is this is your

2164
01:36:00,760 --> 01:36:01,680
only clue?

2165
01:36:02,119 --> 01:36:08,640
Speaker 4: What ridiculous. Wait, so it's one shot kill or nothing,

2166
01:36:08,840 --> 01:36:09,560
is what you're saying.

2167
01:36:10,079 --> 01:36:11,039
Speaker 2: I will say.

2168
01:36:11,039 --> 01:36:14,319
Speaker 1: So I'm going to add, uh, you guys are on

2169
01:36:14,399 --> 01:36:15,920
the right track when it.

2170
01:36:15,880 --> 01:36:18,760
Speaker 2: Comes to the team.

2171
01:36:18,920 --> 01:36:21,840
Speaker 3: Well, we've said players from two different teams. Well, well

2172
01:36:22,920 --> 01:36:25,960
we got to think about Ben Simmons then if if

2173
01:36:26,079 --> 01:36:29,079
if we're going I'm face.

2174
01:36:28,920 --> 01:36:32,720
Speaker 2: A little bit. This is the first ever one clue

2175
01:36:32,800 --> 01:36:35,239
gets a player. This is something this has ever happened.

2176
01:36:35,279 --> 01:36:39,079
Speaker 3: This is real high So I think I think Andrew,

2177
01:36:39,159 --> 01:36:42,199
if it had been Michael, well hmmm, Dan wouldn't have

2178
01:36:42,239 --> 01:36:44,600
given us an additional clue if it was Peyton or

2179
01:36:44,720 --> 01:36:47,199
mc w So we can't.

2180
01:36:47,319 --> 01:36:48,800
Speaker 4: We can't make that an official guess.

2181
01:36:49,079 --> 01:36:52,960
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's not like a Martel Folds right, and.

2182
01:36:53,520 --> 01:36:56,520
Speaker 2: Guys are so warm it's just not even funny.

2183
01:36:57,800 --> 01:37:01,600
Speaker 4: The other thing I'm taking from these two, you're.

2184
01:37:01,439 --> 01:37:03,560
Speaker 1: Gonna need to lock in a first answer before I

2185
01:37:03,600 --> 01:37:07,119
give you any other yeah, okay, so.

2186
01:37:07,359 --> 01:37:10,520
Speaker 3: Simmons and Folks seem to be out, but we're close.

2187
01:37:12,399 --> 01:37:14,680
So it's I'm just it's got to be a sixer,

2188
01:37:14,880 --> 01:37:17,319
and it seems like Process era sixer.

2189
01:37:17,920 --> 01:37:18,840
Speaker 4: Who would that even be?

2190
01:37:20,720 --> 01:37:26,439
Speaker 3: The other prospects are embeid ne Lan's Noel julil.

2191
01:37:26,159 --> 01:37:31,079
Speaker 4: Okafor uh hmmm.

2192
01:37:32,119 --> 01:37:34,840
Speaker 1: I also double checked this and it is in fact correct.

2193
01:37:34,880 --> 01:37:39,880
If anybody anybody cares about that, only player ever is

2194
01:37:39,920 --> 01:37:43,039
the in his first start to get a triple double

2195
01:37:43,039 --> 01:37:43,600
in the NBA.

2196
01:37:44,279 --> 01:37:48,520
Speaker 3: I mean, this has to be a Process sixers situation

2197
01:37:48,640 --> 01:37:52,720
where it's like it's not someone that's actually like good

2198
01:37:53,079 --> 01:37:56,079
I would I wouldn't think, right, because like I know,

2199
01:37:56,119 --> 01:37:58,920
we're naming like more notable guys, So who are there

2200
01:37:58,960 --> 01:38:01,319
more obscure? Stick is that like in the middle of

2201
01:38:01,359 --> 01:38:04,439
one of those just throwaway seasons got to start and

2202
01:38:04,479 --> 01:38:06,479
played like all forty eight or something, you know what

2203
01:38:06,520 --> 01:38:08,279
I mean, It's like maybe that kind of guy.

2204
01:38:09,079 --> 01:38:10,479
Speaker 4: I'm trying to read Dan's face again.

2205
01:38:10,680 --> 01:38:12,479
Speaker 5: I want to say something like Tony Roten.

2206
01:38:12,560 --> 01:38:18,399
Speaker 4: Then oh that's fun. H hmm. I wouldn't ever have

2207
01:38:18,399 --> 01:38:19,159
got Tony Roden.

2208
01:38:19,199 --> 01:38:23,319
Speaker 3: I'm wanna you know what, Andrew's the guest, So I

2209
01:38:23,359 --> 01:38:25,560
think we were gonna How do you feel about that?

2210
01:38:25,600 --> 01:38:27,920
If we go Tony Roten? I just I love the

2211
01:38:27,960 --> 01:38:29,159
obscurity of it.

2212
01:38:29,159 --> 01:38:32,119
Speaker 5: It's the obscurity of Tony Roten or Tyrus Massy. Pick

2213
01:38:32,199 --> 01:38:33,840
one of those two. I'm down for either.

2214
01:38:35,640 --> 01:38:36,600
Speaker 4: Let's go Tony Roten.

2215
01:38:36,920 --> 01:38:43,800
Speaker 2: Dan final answer, Yeah, that is correct.

2216
01:38:44,880 --> 01:38:48,479
Speaker 1: A w pulling mcw right off the bat. I was

2217
01:38:48,520 --> 01:38:50,239
just like, oh my god, are they just gonna get this?

2218
01:38:51,159 --> 01:38:53,279
So the reason I stammered at the beginning, it took

2219
01:38:53,319 --> 01:38:53,960
me someone to start.

2220
01:38:54,000 --> 01:38:56,079
Speaker 2: I was like, where are the rest of the clues?

2221
01:38:56,159 --> 01:38:58,720
This was just the only clue I thought I did

2222
01:38:58,760 --> 01:38:59,560
something wrong.

2223
01:39:00,560 --> 01:39:02,800
Speaker 4: Andrew, there is nowhere to go but down from here.

2224
01:39:03,880 --> 01:39:05,399
That's an all times I.

2225
01:39:05,439 --> 01:39:07,159
Speaker 2: Honestly, Grant, you want to take us out of here.

2226
01:39:07,159 --> 01:39:07,520
That's right.

2227
01:39:07,680 --> 01:39:10,680
Speaker 4: If you've given me, If you had.

2228
01:39:10,600 --> 01:39:14,039
Speaker 3: Told me the year the team that like, I would

2229
01:39:14,079 --> 01:39:16,359
never have gotten to Tony Rotin. He's like, not in

2230
01:39:16,439 --> 01:39:22,039
my brain, that's UNBELI that's one oh, Andrew, you get

2231
01:39:22,079 --> 01:39:23,600
to experience Dan's mic being off.

2232
01:39:25,520 --> 01:39:26,560
Speaker 5: I was confused.

2233
01:39:26,840 --> 01:39:28,279
Speaker 2: That's one shot kill adjacent?

2234
01:39:28,880 --> 01:39:32,760
Speaker 1: Oh, because that was have we ever the last you

2235
01:39:32,840 --> 01:39:34,760
had a one shot kill? Grant the last time we

2236
01:39:34,800 --> 01:39:36,119
could step badding and out another.

2237
01:39:36,119 --> 01:39:39,079
Speaker 2: Have we ever had consecutive one shot kills? I don't.

2238
01:39:39,119 --> 01:39:39,760
Speaker 4: I doubt it.

2239
01:39:39,800 --> 01:39:42,279
Speaker 3: And also on one clue, the pressure of having one

2240
01:39:42,319 --> 01:39:43,960
clue unbelievable.

2241
01:39:44,039 --> 01:39:45,600
Speaker 1: You guys are in a groove, so I feel like

2242
01:39:45,640 --> 01:39:48,119
we're gonna I'm gonna greet you the next one that way,

2243
01:39:48,119 --> 01:39:49,279
which is multiple clues.

2244
01:39:50,399 --> 01:39:53,079
Speaker 2: How nice you have on this one.

2245
01:39:53,199 --> 01:39:56,399
Speaker 1: Let me see six clues to get this and then

2246
01:39:56,479 --> 01:40:00,199
might it might be seven clue number one? Growing up,

2247
01:40:00,239 --> 01:40:03,960
I was a multi sport athlete, playing basketball, American football

2248
01:40:04,439 --> 01:40:06,800
and track American football.

2249
01:40:06,880 --> 01:40:08,560
Speaker 4: That feels like a clue as to where this is

2250
01:40:08,600 --> 01:40:09,079
coming from.

2251
01:40:10,760 --> 01:40:13,600
Speaker 1: Notice they didn't say international high schools, which Grant does

2252
01:40:13,640 --> 01:40:15,520
not recognize as real institutions.

2253
01:40:16,680 --> 01:40:17,399
Speaker 4: Who was that?

2254
01:40:18,119 --> 01:40:19,359
Speaker 2: Man? I can't even remember?

2255
01:40:19,600 --> 01:40:23,199
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean this.

2256
01:40:23,319 --> 01:40:25,520
Speaker 3: I assume like basically everyone that made it to the

2257
01:40:25,640 --> 01:40:27,119
NBA played a lot of sports.

2258
01:40:27,560 --> 01:40:30,239
Speaker 4: That's hard. What was the third sport?

2259
01:40:31,319 --> 01:40:32,520
Speaker 2: American track?

2260
01:40:32,640 --> 01:40:37,840
Speaker 4: Was the track? Well, we have to make an attempt here.

2261
01:40:39,720 --> 01:40:40,159
I don't know.

2262
01:40:40,279 --> 01:40:42,640
Speaker 3: It can't be him, but like Steve Nash is always

2263
01:40:42,640 --> 01:40:45,119
the guy that talks about playing multiple sports. I'm sure

2264
01:40:45,119 --> 01:40:46,439
we've had Steve Nash before.

2265
01:40:46,520 --> 01:40:49,600
Speaker 5: Though, and he's soccer yeah.

2266
01:40:49,520 --> 01:40:52,560
Speaker 3: Right, and hockey would be in there too, probably just

2267
01:40:52,880 --> 01:40:59,199
from the Canada of it all. I mean, we've done

2268
01:40:59,199 --> 01:41:01,399
Tracy McGrady, but no, he's a baseball guy.

2269
01:41:01,520 --> 01:41:02,960
Speaker 4: So that's that's probably not it.

2270
01:41:03,439 --> 01:41:05,800
Speaker 1: If we didn't give the clue. Discord member nicole Cha

2271
01:41:05,880 --> 01:41:08,039
kole Lev gave this one. He won our over under

2272
01:41:08,079 --> 01:41:09,199
competition this past year.

2273
01:41:09,239 --> 01:41:14,920
Speaker 3: Shout out, oh man, So that's someone to be reckoned with. Yeah.

2274
01:41:14,279 --> 01:41:16,960
I don't know, do you have any I would just

2275
01:41:17,000 --> 01:41:19,600
be totally blind guessing, but we do.

2276
01:41:19,760 --> 01:41:20,640
Speaker 2: We need to make one.

2277
01:41:20,960 --> 01:41:23,880
Speaker 5: I just want to throw someone out there that what's

2278
01:41:23,960 --> 01:41:27,680
like they ran draft like pretty Bill.

2279
01:41:28,000 --> 01:41:29,239
Speaker 2: Who's got big quads?

2280
01:41:29,520 --> 01:41:29,760
Speaker 3: Yeah?

2281
01:41:30,119 --> 01:41:33,720
Speaker 5: Yeah, my first the very Celtics coded here.

2282
01:41:33,720 --> 01:41:37,479
Speaker 3: But my first thought was, shimmy, oh man.

2283
01:41:38,840 --> 01:41:39,279
Speaker 4: The depth.

2284
01:41:39,560 --> 01:41:41,680
Speaker 3: I was like, I was gonna say Anthony Edwards because

2285
01:41:41,680 --> 01:41:46,439
we yeah, what are we doing guess a player? It's

2286
01:41:46,439 --> 01:41:48,520
not gonna be Anthony Edwards. All right, it's let's go

2287
01:41:48,560 --> 01:41:48,880
with that.

2288
01:41:49,079 --> 01:41:49,279
Speaker 4: Dan.

2289
01:41:50,119 --> 01:41:50,800
Speaker 2: Three in a row.

2290
01:41:51,199 --> 01:41:54,359
Speaker 1: That is incorrect. Nice try, guys, But what a poll

2291
01:41:54,439 --> 01:42:00,680
though Clue number two. I wasn't just a random multi athlete.

2292
01:42:00,680 --> 01:42:02,960
I was ranked top fifty in the country in bowl

2293
01:42:02,960 --> 01:42:06,640
football in basketball as a six foot five inch eighth grader.

2294
01:42:10,439 --> 01:42:12,600
Speaker 3: The first thing that was like Randy Moss. It's like,

2295
01:42:12,680 --> 01:42:14,560
this is an NBA guess a player, so it's probably

2296
01:42:14,600 --> 01:42:23,000
not him. Uh oh yeah, Like, is it just they're

2297
01:42:23,239 --> 01:42:24,560
putting an obvious one out there.

2298
01:42:24,600 --> 01:42:26,520
Speaker 5: We should have it immediately, and we're.

2299
01:42:26,399 --> 01:42:28,720
Speaker 1: Just I don't think this should be an immediate thing.

2300
01:42:28,760 --> 01:42:30,680
I also didn't know that eighth graders could be six'.

2301
01:42:30,800 --> 01:42:33,000
Five that's Like wendy when he was. BORN i, Think

2302
01:42:33,079 --> 01:42:33,520
so it's Not.

2303
01:42:33,640 --> 01:42:38,119
Speaker 3: LEBRON i like that as a, guest and we doubt

2304
01:42:38,159 --> 01:42:43,520
that canceled. Out, so, OH i Assume dan would have

2305
01:42:43,560 --> 01:42:45,239
told us if it Was Lebron. By, now, oh is

2306
01:42:45,279 --> 01:42:46,920
that a lot dead. Answer i'm, SORRY i thought you

2307
01:42:46,920 --> 01:42:49,039
two were. Shot we're past one shot killed, territory so

2308
01:42:49,119 --> 01:42:50,079
we can just fire our names.

2309
01:42:50,079 --> 01:42:52,800
Speaker 2: Off, now, yeah you're, right it's Not.

2310
01:42:52,920 --> 01:42:58,279
Speaker 3: Lebron, okay Here's clue, three a bunch of different. SPORTS

2311
01:42:59,359 --> 01:43:00,760
i don't KNOW i was ready For clue.

2312
01:43:00,760 --> 01:43:02,079
Speaker 4: Three, yeah we got we.

2313
01:43:02,119 --> 01:43:04,680
Speaker 3: Have we need to be grounded in an era somewhere

2314
01:43:04,680 --> 01:43:05,920
Here clue.

2315
01:43:05,920 --> 01:43:09,039
Speaker 1: THREE i ended up following in my mom's footsteps and

2316
01:43:09,119 --> 01:43:11,720
chose basketball as my. Sport when it was time for,

2317
01:43:11,800 --> 01:43:15,479
COLLEGE i was largely expected to join my hometown, university

2318
01:43:15,520 --> 01:43:17,680
but ended up playing at a university In North.

2319
01:43:17,680 --> 01:43:21,000
Speaker 3: Carolina, OH i was Thinking javal McGee until you gave

2320
01:43:21,039 --> 01:43:21,760
the university.

2321
01:43:21,800 --> 01:43:23,319
Speaker 4: THERE i know his mom was a really good.

2322
01:43:23,319 --> 01:43:28,600
Speaker 5: PLAYER i was announced From jade And. IVY i know his,

2323
01:43:28,720 --> 01:43:29,560
Mom uh?

2324
01:43:29,880 --> 01:43:33,600
Speaker 4: Played, Yeah ivy is What? Purdue? Dan where Did jade

2325
01:43:33,600 --> 01:43:34,119
And ivy go to?

2326
01:43:34,159 --> 01:43:37,319
Speaker 2: College let's let's not do This.

2327
01:43:41,159 --> 01:43:42,119
Speaker 4: North, carolina all?

2328
01:43:42,239 --> 01:43:45,720
Speaker 3: Right uh followed in his mom's?

2329
01:43:45,720 --> 01:43:49,279
Speaker 4: Footsteps that would have been.

2330
01:43:49,359 --> 01:43:53,039
Speaker 5: Due it could have Been North. Carolina, YEAH i MEAN.

2331
01:43:54,840 --> 01:43:54,960
Speaker 2: I.

2332
01:43:55,000 --> 01:43:57,840
Speaker 3: Know, well So Grant hill's dad was in THE, nfl

2333
01:43:58,840 --> 01:44:05,800
went To. Greensboro this this, Player, no BECAUSE i got

2334
01:44:05,800 --> 01:44:08,199
nothing that name off the.

2335
01:44:08,159 --> 01:44:08,439
Speaker 4: Top of my.

2336
01:44:08,479 --> 01:44:11,840
Speaker 3: Head. UH i kind of Like Grant hill as a.

2337
01:44:11,880 --> 01:44:14,640
GUESS i don't know what his mom, did but his

2338
01:44:14,760 --> 01:44:17,680
dad played, football and we Got american football in the first,

2339
01:44:17,680 --> 01:44:20,800
Clue North, carolina Not Grant.

2340
01:44:20,840 --> 01:44:22,279
Speaker 2: Hill good with?

2341
01:44:22,359 --> 01:44:23,640
Speaker 5: That, Yeah i'll ride with.

2342
01:44:23,680 --> 01:44:25,960
Speaker 4: That, YEAH i mean we can just fire him off. Now,

2343
01:44:26,039 --> 01:44:26,680
yeah there's no.

2344
01:44:26,720 --> 01:44:28,880
Speaker 2: Stakes i'll just tell you it's it's only until you

2345
01:44:28,920 --> 01:44:29,640
guys want the next.

2346
01:44:29,680 --> 01:44:31,520
Speaker 1: Clue i'll let you know if you get. Him Grant,

2347
01:44:31,560 --> 01:44:34,159
hill is not? It that's an interesting guest. THOUGH i

2348
01:44:34,199 --> 01:44:37,079
cannot Picture javal McGee running track, though by the, Way grant.

2349
01:44:37,119 --> 01:44:39,000
Speaker 4: No but, SIX i could picture him being six five

2350
01:44:39,000 --> 01:44:39,319
and eighth.

2351
01:44:39,319 --> 01:44:40,920
Speaker 2: Grade that's also fair good.

2352
01:44:40,920 --> 01:44:44,159
Speaker 3: Point, okay so who's maybe it's you got to focus

2353
01:44:44,159 --> 01:44:46,800
on the mom. Thing so what's the what's the reference

2354
01:44:46,840 --> 01:44:48,239
to the? Mom she was a basketball?

2355
01:44:48,239 --> 01:44:48,560
Speaker 4: Player?

2356
01:44:49,119 --> 01:44:57,000
Speaker 2: Correct? Hmm Cooper Flag, no we was a good guest.

2357
01:44:57,000 --> 01:44:58,439
THOUGH i don't know if his mom is a basketball,

2358
01:44:58,479 --> 01:44:59,319
player BUT i.

2359
01:44:59,279 --> 01:45:01,439
Speaker 3: Think his whole fan only is you don't get. That

2360
01:45:01,479 --> 01:45:04,399
you don't get that that was the. Nipples well that's also.

2361
01:45:04,520 --> 01:45:09,800
Speaker 4: True hmm, Him.

2362
01:45:08,640 --> 01:45:09,279
Speaker 2: Yeah that's also.

2363
01:45:09,319 --> 01:45:12,760
Speaker 3: True oh, yeah could have been a good.

2364
01:45:12,800 --> 01:45:16,640
Speaker 2: GUESS i don't.

2365
01:45:16,680 --> 01:45:18,439
Speaker 3: Know you want another clue or you want to just

2366
01:45:18,479 --> 01:45:19,920
thrown out, okayeh let's get a.

2367
01:45:19,920 --> 01:45:21,039
Speaker 4: Clue clue.

2368
01:45:21,039 --> 01:45:22,880
Speaker 2: Four you Think i'm all about.

2369
01:45:22,920 --> 01:45:25,159
Speaker 1: SPORTS i was a drummer growing, up and you can

2370
01:45:25,239 --> 01:45:26,960
probably see some of that in my.

2371
01:45:27,119 --> 01:45:32,920
Speaker 2: Game, God.

2372
01:45:33,319 --> 01:45:36,840
Speaker 4: Derek, Lively, no.

2373
01:45:38,079 --> 01:45:38,960
Speaker 5: Is that because of the?

2374
01:45:39,000 --> 01:45:39,880
Speaker 4: Hair was that?

2375
01:45:40,000 --> 01:45:41,279
Speaker 2: IT i just had.

2376
01:45:41,279 --> 01:45:46,239
Speaker 3: It it's like the the instrument thing is somebody the

2377
01:45:46,319 --> 01:45:47,239
drumming thing.

2378
01:45:47,800 --> 01:45:52,439
Speaker 5: Six five in eighth, Grade so they're they're probably maybe

2379
01:45:52,439 --> 01:45:54,159
not considerably taller, now but.

2380
01:45:54,720 --> 01:45:55,399
Speaker 4: Yeah, right that's.

2381
01:45:55,399 --> 01:45:58,119
Speaker 3: True he could have just today for all you. Know

2382
01:46:01,399 --> 01:46:06,000
the DRUMMING i feel it's right. There there's LIKE i

2383
01:46:06,039 --> 01:46:08,560
can remember some like pregame feature.

2384
01:46:08,199 --> 01:46:09,279
Speaker 4: On the drumming.

2385
01:46:09,319 --> 01:46:14,720
Speaker 5: Thing, Hmm i've got nothing on the. Drummerhead i'm just

2386
01:46:14,800 --> 01:46:19,239
trying To carolina or. Players, yeah that's like tickling my

2387
01:46:19,279 --> 01:46:23,119
brain a little. Bit Harrison barnes doesn't dive off.

2388
01:46:23,239 --> 01:46:30,159
Speaker 2: Drummer it is Not Harrison. Barnes, no did you get what?

2389
01:46:30,279 --> 01:46:33,039
Speaker 3: Was? So we went To north followed in mom's footsteps

2390
01:46:33,039 --> 01:46:35,720
and going To north somewhere In North, carolina or followed

2391
01:46:35,720 --> 01:46:36,720
in what's that?

2392
01:46:36,800 --> 01:46:37,279
Speaker 4: Clue? Again?

2393
01:46:37,319 --> 01:46:41,319
Speaker 1: SORRY i ended up following my mom's footsteps and chose basketball.

2394
01:46:41,560 --> 01:46:47,199
Speaker 3: Overall and what was the what was The carolina? Thing

2395
01:46:47,319 --> 01:46:49,079
was The where's did it give a clue as to

2396
01:46:49,079 --> 01:46:50,560
this person was not From North?

2397
01:46:50,560 --> 01:46:53,880
Speaker 1: Carolina it says that they were targeted by their hometown

2398
01:46:54,000 --> 01:46:56,920
university but ended up playing at a college In North.

2399
01:46:56,960 --> 01:46:59,159
Speaker 2: Carolina M.

2400
01:47:02,600 --> 01:47:05,720
Speaker 5: I WISH i knew the hometown, university BUT i don't

2401
01:47:05,720 --> 01:47:07,640
even know that that would. Help, WELL i think.

2402
01:47:07,479 --> 01:47:11,560
Speaker 1: It, would but, yeah oh, MAN i think we need

2403
01:47:11,600 --> 01:47:15,399
a clue clue number five second on last. ONE i

2404
01:47:15,520 --> 01:47:18,119
was drafted with a high pick on a wild draft

2405
01:47:18,239 --> 01:47:21,079
night and have had success early, on averaging nearly five

2406
01:47:21,119 --> 01:47:28,199
assists per game over my. Career, really so the fundamentals

2407
01:47:28,199 --> 01:47:30,920
that we know is that it's a big guy who's

2408
01:47:30,960 --> 01:47:34,039
averaging around five assists per game for his career and

2409
01:47:34,079 --> 01:47:39,960
went to A North carolina university as a. HOOPER i

2410
01:47:39,960 --> 01:47:42,199
think you might get it on the final clue Because

2411
01:47:42,399 --> 01:47:44,479
nicolcha was very kind with the way he.

2412
01:47:44,560 --> 01:47:49,199
Speaker 3: CLOSED i respect to give away final. Clue it's always,

2413
01:47:49,199 --> 01:47:52,079
Helpful so it's a BIG i thank you for giving

2414
01:47:52,159 --> 01:47:53,960
us the big guy. Information AND i was not one

2415
01:47:54,000 --> 01:47:54,479
hundred percent.

2416
01:47:54,560 --> 01:47:57,079
Speaker 2: Sure six' five in the. Eighth grade is he's?

2417
01:47:57,119 --> 01:48:01,159
Speaker 3: Not? Tiny, NO yeah i saw big guy's averaging. Five

2418
01:48:01,159 --> 01:48:03,800
assists like it's like a couple of, different, People right

2419
01:48:03,840 --> 01:48:07,159
and It's although i'm Fixated on Duke, and carolina there's

2420
01:48:07,199 --> 01:48:08,560
like a million Colleges In.

2421
01:48:08,720 --> 01:48:12,760
Speaker 4: NORTH carolina i think we're missing an. Obvious one.

2422
01:48:14,079 --> 01:48:17,920
Speaker 5: Polo Went. TO duke i don't know that's.

2423
01:48:17,960 --> 01:48:23,560
Speaker 3: Too, high yeah, but like oh you KNOW what i

2424
01:48:23,600 --> 01:48:26,520
THINK YOU'RE i i, like. THAT guess i think it's

2425
01:48:27,279 --> 01:48:30,279
we'd like To, guess paolo that, Is, Correct okay Pallo.

2426
01:48:30,359 --> 01:48:33,840
Bank caro final CLUE was i am a dual CITIZEN

2427
01:48:33,960 --> 01:48:35,800
and i was eligible to play FOR both Us and

2428
01:48:35,840 --> 01:48:37,600
italy but ended up playing FOR the usa.

2429
01:48:37,760 --> 01:48:42,640
Speaker 1: NATIONAL team i Also Maybe grants lea's. Favorite player now

2430
01:48:43,880 --> 01:48:48,840
this Is thing grant might have guessed jamontis a bonus at.

2431
01:48:48,880 --> 01:48:53,640
Speaker 4: That, point, yeah man.

2432
01:48:54,319 --> 01:48:56,359
Speaker 5: It's not least. Favorite player we know who.

2433
01:48:56,359 --> 01:48:59,039
Speaker 3: That is yeah, Right, right yeah that would that would

2434
01:48:59,079 --> 01:49:02,880
have thrown us off. At, all okay that's that was, You.

2435
01:49:02,960 --> 01:49:06,279
AGAIN Andrew i polo was the drumming thing.

2436
01:49:06,800 --> 01:49:07,199
Speaker 4: LED me.

2437
01:49:08,760 --> 01:49:08,840
Speaker 3: I.

2438
01:49:08,840 --> 01:49:11,359
Speaker 4: DIDN'T either i, was, LIKE oh i THINK of i

2439
01:49:11,359 --> 01:49:11,680
can think.

2440
01:49:11,720 --> 01:49:14,800
Speaker 3: Of that it wasn't him the like hometown team BECAUSE like, i,

2441
01:49:14,840 --> 01:49:17,319
Know you dub really wanted him and it was a

2442
01:49:17,319 --> 01:49:18,039
whole deal that He.

2443
01:49:18,119 --> 01:49:22,800
Speaker 5: Left seattle, OH okay i was gonna go with that up.

2444
01:49:22,880 --> 01:49:25,920
Speaker 4: Just, now yeah, All, Right DAN.

2445
01:49:27,359 --> 01:49:29,399
Speaker 1: Can i ask a, question though what Is and i'm

2446
01:49:29,520 --> 01:49:31,359
genuinely asking What about polo's?

2447
01:49:31,399 --> 01:49:33,680
Speaker 2: GAME screams i was a drummer in, a band.

2448
01:49:34,039 --> 01:49:36,159
Speaker 4: You guys, UH yeah i.

2449
01:49:36,199 --> 01:49:38,039
Speaker 3: Don't know that feels like a shot at like pounding

2450
01:49:38,079 --> 01:49:40,439
the dribble, or SOMETHING which.

2451
01:49:42,000 --> 01:49:47,399
Speaker 2: I respect that's what. It, was, Uh well i'll give

2452
01:49:47,439 --> 01:49:47,800
you guys.

2453
01:49:47,800 --> 01:49:49,600
Speaker 4: One more, All right i've got.

2454
01:49:49,439 --> 01:49:53,079
Speaker 1: Just uh we Have a i'm gonna do one more

2455
01:49:53,119 --> 01:49:55,199
and this one. IS okay i like this One for

2456
01:49:55,359 --> 01:49:59,680
maddy l. In discord my clue. Number one my final

2457
01:49:59,760 --> 01:50:03,840
seas in was Within The eastern. Conference team, good, luck guys.

2458
01:50:05,720 --> 01:50:07,239
Speaker 4: Uh as in.

2459
01:50:07,560 --> 01:50:10,279
Speaker 5: As in their only time In The eastern conference was.

2460
01:50:10,279 --> 01:50:13,920
Speaker 1: That One so i'm WILLING to i feel like it's fair, to,

2461
01:50:13,960 --> 01:50:16,720
say yes they only. Played one their final season IN

2462
01:50:16,760 --> 01:50:19,119
the nba was With An eastern, conference team and that

2463
01:50:19,239 --> 01:50:20,600
was the only season they spent In The.

2464
01:50:20,600 --> 01:50:22,680
Speaker 2: EASTERN conference I do i do have.

2465
01:50:22,720 --> 01:50:24,199
Speaker 4: A guess i.

2466
01:50:24,520 --> 01:50:27,479
Speaker 2: Do too what are you saying you should run by? Each,

2467
01:50:27,520 --> 01:50:29,640
OTHER well i think we should.

2468
01:50:29,439 --> 01:50:31,880
Speaker 3: Both get a one shot, Killed opportunity so my guess

2469
01:50:31,880 --> 01:50:32,479
will Cancel.

2470
01:50:32,520 --> 01:50:33,680
Speaker 4: Out andrews, all right.

2471
01:50:33,600 --> 01:50:33,960
Speaker 2: Go ahead?

2472
01:50:34,680 --> 01:50:35,720
Speaker 4: Olaja one that?

2473
01:50:35,840 --> 01:50:39,960
Speaker 2: Is, correct wow you know? One shot what was it? Was?

2474
01:50:39,960 --> 01:50:41,920
THAT yours? A dubs i don't want.

2475
01:50:41,720 --> 01:50:47,760
Speaker 5: To Say mine.

2476
01:50:45,079 --> 01:50:52,279
Speaker 3: Evans the, conference Team the pacers With THE pacers i wiped.

2477
01:50:52,319 --> 01:50:55,520
FROM memory i only think of him As a pelican and.

2478
01:50:55,600 --> 01:50:58,479
Speaker 4: A king i. Think pelicans maybe clue TO was?

2479
01:50:58,520 --> 01:51:00,600
Speaker 1: I traded i was traded from the team that drafted

2480
01:51:00,640 --> 01:51:02,399
me for refusing to sign a thirteen million.

2481
01:51:02,439 --> 01:51:02,960
Speaker 2: Dollar deal.

2482
01:51:03,439 --> 01:51:05,880
Speaker 1: Clu three my last season with, THIS team i made

2483
01:51:05,880 --> 01:51:08,279
My Twelfth all. Star team at the peak of, MY

2484
01:51:08,359 --> 01:51:12,399
career I Won, MVP FINALS Mvp, nba Championship And defensive

2485
01:51:12,399 --> 01:51:13,359
player Of the year all in the.

2486
01:51:13,399 --> 01:51:15,159
Speaker 2: SAME season i think you guys would have gotten.

2487
01:51:15,199 --> 01:51:17,199
Speaker 4: It, there yeah we'd had a lot of guesses for.

2488
01:51:17,279 --> 01:51:17,680
Speaker 5: That one.

2489
01:51:17,920 --> 01:51:20,239
Speaker 2: CLUE five i went TO Three, nba finals. WINNING two.

2490
01:51:20,600 --> 01:51:22,479
Speaker 1: CLU six i was runner Up in rookie Of the

2491
01:51:22,560 --> 01:51:25,239
year nineteen eighty five to a player who played for

2492
01:51:25,359 --> 01:51:28,239
the same Team That patrick williams currently plays for now

2493
01:51:28,359 --> 01:51:29,000
tries to play.

2494
01:51:29,039 --> 01:51:32,199
Speaker 4: FOR now i gotta focus on the important Players.

2495
01:51:32,880 --> 01:51:36,199
Speaker 1: WHO seven i played at the nineteen Ninety six olympics

2496
01:51:36,199 --> 01:51:38,880
for a team that wasn't my. Birth country. Clue eight

2497
01:51:38,960 --> 01:51:45,079
my college team nickname Was Five siama Jama. Five, jama

2498
01:51:45,199 --> 01:51:49,920
okay That was those were, Excellent clues MATTIE l i

2499
01:51:49,960 --> 01:51:51,880
FORGET that i may have ruined it by giving me

2500
01:51:52,000 --> 01:51:54,199
extra little nudge on the, FIRST.

2501
01:51:53,920 --> 01:51:58,079
Speaker 4: One a, little bit a. Little bit oh you did the, Mic,

2502
01:51:58,119 --> 01:51:58,760
again dan.

2503
01:52:00,159 --> 01:52:00,399
Speaker 3: This is.

2504
01:52:00,399 --> 01:52:02,520
Speaker 2: Stat padding i'm trying to inflate. Your numbers, you're.

2505
01:52:02,359 --> 01:52:05,199
Speaker 4: Welcome, appreciate it? All RIGHT shall i give you?

2506
01:52:05,199 --> 01:52:07,079
Speaker 2: Guys one, Oh yeah?

2507
01:52:07,119 --> 01:52:11,960
Speaker 3: I'm, Ready, Maybe okay possibly this IS From khsh clue.

2508
01:52:12,000 --> 01:52:18,000
NUMBER one i Come. From TEXAS not i went to College.

2509
01:52:18,000 --> 01:52:20,720
IN texas i was. Born there this player Comes.

2510
01:52:20,760 --> 01:52:23,880
Speaker 4: From texas uh Could Mean.

2511
01:52:23,920 --> 01:52:27,600
Speaker 2: Jornan finny smith Is? From texas is? LOCK name i?

2512
01:52:27,640 --> 01:52:31,159
Speaker 4: DON'T know, I like i don't know?

2513
01:52:31,239 --> 01:52:34,600
Speaker 1: Anyone else why was He The DeAndre Jordan's? From texas

2514
01:52:34,640 --> 01:52:35,800
who else is from isn't?

2515
01:52:35,960 --> 01:52:37,960
Speaker 4: Big state there's probably a lot of People. From texas

2516
01:52:38,000 --> 01:52:39,720
i'd venture. To, guess.

2517
01:52:41,159 --> 01:52:43,720
Speaker 2: Wait so They're, from texas they didn't Go. TO texas

2518
01:52:44,000 --> 01:52:46,640
i Come. FROM texas i can't interpret the.

2519
01:52:47,079 --> 01:52:51,079
Speaker 5: CLUE anymore i could then five OR six nba players

2520
01:52:51,079 --> 01:52:55,880
that Went to University of Texas. OR texas i don't

2521
01:52:55,920 --> 01:52:57,960
know what, it IS but i don't know anyone Can.

2522
01:52:58,079 --> 01:53:01,079
Speaker 1: From texas i'm gonna to say so if you don't

2523
01:53:01,079 --> 01:53:03,279
HAVE anyone I, A dfs i'm just gonna lock.

2524
01:53:03,319 --> 01:53:04,560
Speaker 2: It in is from Is? From?

2525
01:53:04,600 --> 01:53:08,359
Speaker 4: Texas okay it Is Not Dorian. Phinney smith that's, really unfortunate.

2526
01:53:09,399 --> 01:53:12,560
Speaker 3: All right clue number two selected in. THE lottery i

2527
01:53:12,600 --> 01:53:15,840
played for my first team for a long stretch of Time.

2528
01:53:17,720 --> 01:53:19,640
Speaker 2: From texas on a.

2529
01:53:19,680 --> 01:53:24,479
Speaker 1: Lottery Team Andrew DeAndre jordan wasn't drafted in, the, lottery

2530
01:53:24,560 --> 01:53:28,319
right didn't he go like super late or not?

2531
01:53:28,399 --> 01:53:28,520
Speaker 2: At?

2532
01:53:28,520 --> 01:53:29,279
Speaker 4: All Okay.

2533
01:53:30,640 --> 01:53:32,439
Speaker 2: From texas lottery pick.

2534
01:53:33,720 --> 01:53:34,079
Speaker 5: Miles.

2535
01:53:34,079 --> 01:53:40,640
Speaker 2: Starter, bang oh that's a, great game THAT was.

2536
01:53:40,760 --> 01:53:41,880
Speaker 4: I thought, i.

2537
01:53:41,560 --> 01:53:44,079
Speaker 3: Thought when YOU said i could name a few players

2538
01:53:44,079 --> 01:53:46,640
From the University, of texas you're Gonna drop you're gonna

2539
01:53:46,680 --> 01:53:47,079
drop him.

2540
01:53:47,079 --> 01:53:49,720
Speaker 2: In there where did He because i'm so bad at

2541
01:53:49,760 --> 01:53:51,479
where players go? To school where did he go?

2542
01:53:51,560 --> 01:53:55,760
Speaker 3: To? School, texas yeah BUT the i couldn't give, You,

2543
01:53:55,800 --> 01:53:58,479
that like, you know the clue DOESN'T say i Went,

2544
01:53:58,520 --> 01:54:00,920
To TEXAS it's i Come. From TEXAS so i didn't.

2545
01:54:00,960 --> 01:54:03,640
WANT to i didn't want to to give that away.

2546
01:54:03,640 --> 01:54:06,720
TOO badly clu THREE was i was the league leader

2547
01:54:06,800 --> 01:54:09,079
in blocks more, than ONCE but i never had an all.

2548
01:54:09,159 --> 01:54:12,039
Defensive selection it's. Pretty good that's a good GOOD stat

2549
01:54:12,079 --> 01:54:12,760
i don't KNOW if i would.

2550
01:54:12,760 --> 01:54:13,199
Speaker 4: Remember that.

2551
01:54:13,359 --> 01:54:16,159
Speaker 3: NUMBER four i made my first conference finals in my

2552
01:54:16,279 --> 01:54:19,920
ninth year and my first finals the. NEXT year, Clu

2553
01:54:20,079 --> 01:54:23,039
five i'm known for rim protection and stretching. The floor

2554
01:54:23,079 --> 01:54:26,359
you're probably getting, it here but the nickname unicorn belongs

2555
01:54:26,399 --> 01:54:29,680
to someone else in my. Draft class And then. Clue

2556
01:54:29,720 --> 01:54:31,640
six if you didn't, have it you weren't. GETTING it

2557
01:54:31,640 --> 01:54:33,840
i don't think the grass is always GREENER wherever. I

2558
01:54:33,880 --> 01:54:36,359
go is that like something? He said or is that

2559
01:54:36,439 --> 01:54:37,079
just a Reference?

2560
01:54:37,079 --> 01:54:38,399
Speaker 4: To milwaukee.

2561
01:54:39,720 --> 01:54:40,479
Speaker 2: He had.

2562
01:54:41,920 --> 01:54:43,840
Speaker 5: So, Many, quotes yeah it.

2563
01:54:43,920 --> 01:54:46,800
Speaker 2: Must have it must. HAVE been i thought there was

2564
01:54:46,800 --> 01:54:48,920
gonna be something at, the end stabbed in the back

2565
01:54:49,079 --> 01:54:52,840
by my, front office or something like trying way.

2566
01:54:52,680 --> 01:54:57,560
Speaker 4: More than twenty two million dollars a year. Or, something yeah,

2567
01:54:57,600 --> 01:55:00,439
all right let me. SEE here i have only one.

2568
01:55:00,479 --> 01:55:06,079
Other one this Is from Matti. L uh clue, Number One.

2569
01:55:06,399 --> 01:55:07,720
Speaker 2: Patrick, williams no just.

2570
01:55:09,479 --> 01:55:12,600
Speaker 4: Really good guess have, We Done. PATRICK williams i don't think,

2571
01:55:12,640 --> 01:55:16,560
We have so it's still. Out there yeah it's, It's Not.

2572
01:55:16,560 --> 01:55:18,920
Speaker 3: PATRICK williams i won't count that as your one shot

2573
01:55:19,000 --> 01:55:20,600
kill attempts because you haven't heard the.

2574
01:55:20,600 --> 01:55:24,359
Speaker 4: CLUE yet i am currently On A western.

2575
01:55:24,399 --> 01:55:28,800
Speaker 2: Conference team i'll let just Name A western, Conference. Player

2576
01:55:28,840 --> 01:55:31,000
andrew i'll let you take it whatever whoever you say.

2577
01:55:33,000 --> 01:55:35,079
Speaker 5: You don't want to pick, a team and, All.

2578
01:55:35,039 --> 01:55:38,199
Speaker 1: Right i'll give you. The Team western Conference Team. Vancouver

2579
01:55:38,279 --> 01:55:41,439
grizzlies seattle's.

2580
01:55:41,439 --> 01:55:46,520
Speaker 2: On it Let's SAY. Matty l, i'm so Who's a?

2581
01:55:46,560 --> 01:55:49,560
Speaker 1: BULLS fan, i BELIEVE which i feel Like Is sacramento

2582
01:55:49,680 --> 01:55:50,399
kings Of.

2583
01:55:50,439 --> 01:55:54,640
Speaker 2: The east so pick a player From The. Sacramento, kales okay.

2584
01:55:54,359 --> 01:55:54,800
Speaker 4: That's how you're.

2585
01:55:54,800 --> 01:55:58,159
Speaker 5: Getting there A former bowl, DeMar.

2586
01:55:59,600 --> 01:56:04,479
Speaker 4: Great Not To martin rosen uh that although.

2587
01:56:04,159 --> 01:56:06,640
Speaker 3: This would still line up Clue number clue, number two

2588
01:56:06,760 --> 01:56:09,199
my last team was In The, eastern conference so this

2589
01:56:09,279 --> 01:56:09,680
still could.

2590
01:56:09,680 --> 01:56:13,720
Speaker 1: Have been but it's not So because andrew doesn't have

2591
01:56:13,720 --> 01:56:15,840
the Backstory OF. MATTIE l i feel like there's gotta

2592
01:56:15,880 --> 01:56:18,239
be Some Like king's bulls. CONNECTION here.

2593
01:56:20,079 --> 01:56:23,319
Speaker 4: I can neither confirm nor deny.

2594
01:56:23,600 --> 01:56:26,920
Speaker 5: There are there Are More kins bulls players who.

2595
01:56:27,000 --> 01:56:32,000
Speaker 1: Can name There's zach lavine's it is Not.

2596
01:56:32,079 --> 01:56:34,520
Speaker 3: Zac, lavine yeah let him fly your past one. Killed

2597
01:56:34,560 --> 01:56:38,359
territory what was this? Clue Exactly so clue One is

2598
01:56:38,399 --> 01:56:41,319
i'm currently On A western. Conference team clue two is

2599
01:56:41,439 --> 01:56:43,840
my last team was In The. Eastern conference.

2600
01:56:45,000 --> 01:56:51,079
Speaker 5: Could Also Be demats sabonis Future.

2601
01:56:51,479 --> 01:56:52,640
Speaker 4: Not bonis.

2602
01:56:53,960 --> 01:56:57,159
Speaker 2: Let's go Down the. King's roster who was just? Easier Conference?

2603
01:57:00,159 --> 01:57:02,239
WESTERN conference i don't know how Recently.

2604
01:57:03,319 --> 01:57:04,880
Speaker 5: Been, sacramento right.

2605
01:57:05,399 --> 01:57:08,159
Speaker 1: Not necessarily at, this point because who else on the

2606
01:57:08,239 --> 01:57:11,960
roster was just In The? Eastern conference Monk Has, Net

2607
01:57:12,000 --> 01:57:13,920
Well malik monk did Play.

2608
01:57:13,960 --> 01:57:15,760
Speaker 2: For charlotte it's.

2609
01:57:15,560 --> 01:57:19,159
Speaker 5: Not really lakers before, That though, oh, yeah.

2610
01:57:18,600 --> 01:57:21,279
Speaker 2: Oh last the clue was his last team was.

2611
01:57:21,239 --> 01:57:24,439
Speaker 4: In the east On a. Western, team now last team

2612
01:57:24,600 --> 01:57:25,560
was In? The, EAST.

2613
01:57:26,760 --> 01:57:33,640
Speaker 1: Uh i Say, A, hertnerstein nope.

2614
01:57:36,000 --> 01:57:36,720
Speaker 2: Former bull.

2615
01:57:38,520 --> 01:57:39,720
Speaker 4: What was it's? Not really what?

2616
01:57:39,800 --> 01:57:39,840
Speaker 3: Was?

2617
01:57:39,880 --> 01:57:44,600
Speaker 1: Yours Dan, Alex, CARUSO no i might be harping too

2618
01:57:44,680 --> 01:57:47,439
much On the. Bulls connection you might you, might.

2619
01:57:47,319 --> 01:57:53,680
Speaker 2: Be, ah man this is just we might just Need

2620
01:57:53,680 --> 01:57:55,680
another there's so, many players.

2621
01:57:55,319 --> 01:57:58,199
Speaker 4: There's literally hundreds of players you can guess with. The

2622
01:57:58,239 --> 01:57:59,119
information can.

2623
01:57:59,000 --> 01:58:01,199
Speaker 2: You just can you just sit here for ten minutes

2624
01:58:01,239 --> 01:58:02,560
while we go through the depth charts.

2625
01:58:02,560 --> 01:58:04,640
Speaker 3: OF everything, i mean you might get, it eventually you'll

2626
01:58:04,640 --> 01:58:08,039
get it if we could feed it up. With Another Although,

2627
01:58:08,680 --> 01:58:11,680
kyrie irving It Is?

2628
01:58:12,800 --> 01:58:13,840
Speaker 2: Kyrie irving.

2629
01:58:15,319 --> 01:58:15,479
Speaker 4: How?

2630
01:58:15,520 --> 01:58:15,600
Speaker 3: Did?

2631
01:58:16,479 --> 01:58:19,039
Speaker 4: Why why what did you guys say it?

2632
01:58:19,840 --> 01:58:22,720
Speaker 1: So alphabetically in, my Mind the west Starts, With DALLAS

2633
01:58:22,720 --> 01:58:22,920
so i.

2634
01:58:22,920 --> 01:58:25,039
Speaker 2: STARTED running i started, Doing, that oh.

2635
01:58:26,760 --> 01:58:27,359
Speaker 4: Making too many?

2636
01:58:27,359 --> 01:58:30,239
Speaker 2: Thirty sliders as you just know the anyone who thinks

2637
01:58:30,279 --> 01:58:32,960
that GRANT and i can't do. The alphabet? WHAT'S up.

2638
01:58:34,760 --> 01:58:37,520
Speaker 4: I mean that was that was just an out of.

2639
01:58:37,600 --> 01:58:41,239
Left FIELD so clu three was.

2640
01:58:41,319 --> 01:58:43,680
Speaker 3: Gonna be, In fact i've only been On One western,

2641
01:58:43,720 --> 01:58:46,039
conference team so we're like not narrowing the field.

2642
01:58:46,079 --> 01:58:48,960
Speaker 4: At all it's really there because you don't know when.

2643
01:58:49,000 --> 01:58:50,279
This is this could.

2644
01:58:50,319 --> 01:58:56,199
Speaker 3: Be. Anybody uh. Clue four i've been TO four, nba finals.

2645
01:58:56,199 --> 01:58:58,439
Winning one that would have dialed.

2646
01:58:58,479 --> 01:59:01,239
Speaker 2: IT in i. Think that Or make america. HEALTHY again

2647
01:59:01,239 --> 01:59:01,760
i think we would.

2648
01:59:01,760 --> 01:59:04,680
Speaker 4: Write sure i'm not sure about the old. Vaccine thing.

2649
01:59:05,840 --> 01:59:08,880
Speaker 3: NUMBER five i am a Nine Time, all star but

2650
01:59:09,000 --> 01:59:10,800
never made a First TEAM all nba did not?

2651
01:59:10,880 --> 01:59:11,159
Speaker 2: Know that.

2652
01:59:11,680 --> 01:59:15,239
Speaker 3: Oh. WOW six i have played In one olympics And One,

2653
01:59:15,279 --> 01:59:16,920
world cup but not for my country.

2654
01:59:16,920 --> 01:59:20,279
Speaker 4: Of birth right because he Played.

2655
01:59:20,279 --> 01:59:20,359
Speaker 3: For.

2656
01:59:20,399 --> 01:59:22,560
Speaker 4: AUSTRALIA right i.

2657
01:59:22,840 --> 01:59:25,239
Speaker 2: Wasn't because he's born and he was born out OF.

2658
01:59:25,239 --> 01:59:25,319
Speaker 3: The.

2659
01:59:25,399 --> 01:59:27,199
Speaker 2: Us right yeah?

2660
01:59:27,359 --> 01:59:30,159
Speaker 3: Was it he was Born in australia and he played FOR. The, Us,

2661
01:59:30,239 --> 01:59:30,920
right yeah that's what.

2662
01:59:30,960 --> 01:59:31,439
Speaker 4: IT is i had.

2663
01:59:31,479 --> 01:59:35,479
Speaker 3: It. Backwards, Uh seven i've been Teammates With, james Durant

2664
01:59:35,560 --> 01:59:38,680
hardin Love. And tatum that probably would have got you.

2665
01:59:38,720 --> 01:59:41,760
Speaker 1: There, TOO yeah i think the FINALS one i think

2666
01:59:41,800 --> 01:59:42,600
we would have gotten IT.

2667
01:59:42,680 --> 01:59:48,239
Speaker 3: On, i YEAH well i cannot believe if you got

2668
01:59:48,279 --> 01:59:49,039
to it in two.

2669
01:59:49,680 --> 01:59:52,479
Speaker 1: JUST incredible i also had a double check where he,

2670
01:59:52,600 --> 01:59:54,960
was born which you, Were, Right grant but he's also

2671
01:59:55,039 --> 01:59:57,079
Cousins With, isaiah briscoe Formerly The.

2672
01:59:57,159 --> 01:59:58,039
Speaker 2: ORLANDO magic i had.

2673
01:59:58,079 --> 02:00:00,680
Speaker 3: No idea look, at that shut up as Brisco Like,

2674
02:00:00,720 --> 02:00:03,199
tony rotin not a name that's in my brain. At

2675
02:00:03,239 --> 02:00:07,079
all recognize that's a person. That exists would Never guess Tony.

2676
02:00:07,079 --> 02:00:11,039
BRISCO uh i think, That's yeah That's all i've got.

2677
02:00:11,680 --> 02:00:14,680
Speaker 2: For You, all right we're Up. To, andrew now.

2678
02:00:14,920 --> 02:00:17,279
Speaker 5: All right do you want my deciplayer first or do

2679
02:00:17,319 --> 02:00:18,159
you want the three That.

2680
02:00:18,119 --> 02:00:20,079
Speaker 2: Were yeah you should kick it off with the one

2681
02:00:20,119 --> 02:00:20,319
you came.

2682
02:00:20,399 --> 02:00:21,119
Speaker 4: Up, with yeah We'll take.

2683
02:00:21,119 --> 02:00:26,119
Speaker 3: Gears, first, okay deciplayer this, player specifically you have.

2684
02:00:26,159 --> 02:00:27,560
Speaker 5: Eleven clues.

2685
02:00:28,199 --> 02:00:30,159
Speaker 1: Oh good if we don't, get it do you know

2686
02:00:30,199 --> 02:00:31,399
how sad, This, is grant.

2687
02:00:31,880 --> 02:00:34,279
Speaker 4: Real sad the eleven. Clues me this is gonna.

2688
02:00:34,279 --> 02:00:36,560
Speaker 5: Be hard this is a, Tough one it. Really is

2689
02:00:38,000 --> 02:00:40,039
dan's gonna love the. First, four.

2690
02:00:42,359 --> 02:00:44,359
Speaker 4: Dan you can just tune out while we talked ABOUT.

2691
02:00:44,439 --> 02:00:48,159
Speaker 2: The ncaa, oh, no wait let me just WHO do

2692
02:00:48,239 --> 02:00:49,720
i know went? To college let me get a zero

2693
02:00:49,840 --> 02:00:52,199
Shot Kill. Michael jordan.

2694
02:00:53,439 --> 02:00:53,800
Speaker 4: It Is Not.

2695
02:00:53,920 --> 02:00:59,600
Speaker 5: Michael jordan. It's unfortunate clue number one and this actually.

2696
02:00:59,680 --> 02:01:03,079
Bad me some pause earlier to. NUMBER one i Am, From,

2697
02:01:03,159 --> 02:01:08,800
dallas texas but played high school basketball In both Texas. And, MASSACHUSETTS.

2698
02:01:10,640 --> 02:01:10,880
Speaker 2: Grant.

2699
02:01:10,920 --> 02:01:12,640
Speaker 1: I don't, I mean i CAN name nba Players from

2700
02:01:12,680 --> 02:01:14,399
texas if you want To, get grant.

2701
02:01:14,119 --> 02:01:20,399
Speaker 4: But played high school Basketball in Dallas. And, MASSACHUSETTS.

2702
02:01:21,720 --> 02:01:25,880
Speaker 3: Man i, Don't Think like i'm trying to think of

2703
02:01:26,880 --> 02:01:30,920
Where in massachusetts just doesn't strike me as like a.

2704
02:01:31,000 --> 02:01:33,680
Hot bed, it's like where's Like Mont verd academy and

2705
02:01:33,720 --> 02:01:36,720
wherever that's Not in that's not there's Nothing. In massachusetts

2706
02:01:36,720 --> 02:01:39,720
it's Like ok hill is In like virginia. Or something

2707
02:01:39,760 --> 02:01:41,960
all of the high schools that, they like there's like

2708
02:01:42,039 --> 02:01:45,079
three super programs that LIKE every nba player.

2709
02:01:45,119 --> 02:01:46,760
Speaker 4: WENT to i don't can't think of if There's a.

2710
02:01:46,800 --> 02:01:48,199
Massachusetts one.

2711
02:01:51,359 --> 02:01:54,359
Speaker 2: Now to high School? In texas, Do, you grant do

2712
02:01:54,359 --> 02:01:56,680
you think that it means the player Is from? Texas?

2713
02:01:56,720 --> 02:02:01,199
Originally uh and does that help us?

2714
02:02:01,239 --> 02:02:01,359
Speaker 5: At?

2715
02:02:01,359 --> 02:02:04,439
Speaker 4: All andrew? Was it can you read the? Clue? Again?

2716
02:02:04,520 --> 02:02:08,199
Speaker 5: Please Yeah and dan TO confirm i Am, From, dallas

2717
02:02:08,239 --> 02:02:11,399
texas but played high school basketball In both Texas.

2718
02:02:11,439 --> 02:02:15,960
Speaker 1: And massachusetts, Oh okay i'm gonna pretend like that it

2719
02:02:16,039 --> 02:02:16,520
did something.

2720
02:02:16,560 --> 02:02:18,439
Speaker 4: FOR me i mean that could just go either way.

2721
02:02:20,000 --> 02:02:23,319
Speaker 3: As far as like could have gone back home to finish,

2722
02:02:23,359 --> 02:02:24,359
high school could Have.

2723
02:02:24,520 --> 02:02:28,800
Speaker 4: Left, dallas uh we got.

2724
02:02:28,640 --> 02:02:32,239
Speaker 2: There, from dallas so we know we know They're, from dallas.

2725
02:02:31,920 --> 02:02:36,159
Speaker 4: Right right but like COULD have i don't know that.

2726
02:02:36,359 --> 02:02:40,840
Speaker 1: Wasn't Wasn't DeAndre jordan's whole free, agency, Thing like I'm,

2727
02:02:40,840 --> 02:02:42,680
from dallas let me, go, HOME.

2728
02:02:43,920 --> 02:02:48,119
Speaker 3: Sure, I KNOW i I the massachusetts, thing IS so.

2729
02:02:50,000 --> 02:02:50,680
Speaker 4: I don't know what to do.

2730
02:02:50,720 --> 02:02:53,680
Speaker 3: WITH that I Remember mark cuban chasing, him AROUND so

2731
02:02:54,279 --> 02:02:56,239
i don't remember why.

2732
02:02:56,399 --> 02:02:58,840
Speaker 2: He's just in his car literally trying to find him as. We,

2733
02:02:58,880 --> 02:03:00,199
SPEAK uh i.

2734
02:03:00,239 --> 02:03:02,000
Speaker 3: Don't know you got you gotta just take a shot.

2735
02:03:02,039 --> 02:03:03,359
At it do you have any any one?

2736
02:03:03,359 --> 02:03:03,720
Speaker 4: Shots?

2737
02:03:03,720 --> 02:03:06,960
Speaker 2: Here dan my only one would Be DJ but i

2738
02:03:07,000 --> 02:03:11,920
don't even know if He's. From dallas he's a sure

2739
02:03:11,920 --> 02:03:15,720
lock it In dere jordan not not a one.

2740
02:03:15,760 --> 02:03:17,039
Speaker 5: SHOT kill i Think.

2741
02:03:17,079 --> 02:03:21,760
Speaker 3: He's, HOUSTON also i think he's Got The houston astros h, Tattooed, somewhere.

2742
02:03:21,680 --> 02:03:23,319
Speaker 2: Grant where was this twelve?

2743
02:03:23,359 --> 02:03:25,600
Speaker 3: SECONDS ago i don't have a, Better Guess so i'm

2744
02:03:25,600 --> 02:03:28,760
in no position To the massachusetts.

2745
02:03:28,760 --> 02:03:30,880
Speaker 4: Of it, Like who, i'm like do YOU think i

2746
02:03:30,880 --> 02:03:31,439
can't think.

2747
02:03:31,279 --> 02:03:31,960
Speaker 2: Of A single?

2748
02:03:32,079 --> 02:03:35,199
Speaker 3: Nba player i'm sure there's a Billion, with, LIKE oh

2749
02:03:35,239 --> 02:03:36,800
I associate massachusetts with?

2750
02:03:36,800 --> 02:03:37,640
Speaker 4: THIS person.

2751
02:03:41,640 --> 02:03:44,159
Speaker 5: I think you that is a. Tough one that that's.

2752
02:03:44,199 --> 02:03:46,840
Speaker 4: All right let's we've attempted our. One shot can we

2753
02:03:46,920 --> 02:03:49,439
all take? The? Second, clue absolutely.

2754
02:03:49,479 --> 02:03:53,359
Speaker 5: CLUE too i played three years of college basketball and

2755
02:03:53,439 --> 02:03:57,279
hold the, career steals single damn single season and career

2756
02:03:57,359 --> 02:03:59,960
assists Records. At Missouri.

2757
02:04:01,760 --> 02:04:04,640
Speaker 2: Michael porter junior Doesn't, pass nope and he.

2758
02:04:04,760 --> 02:04:06,279
Speaker 3: WAS not i don't think he was there for three

2759
02:04:06,359 --> 02:04:09,800
years that although he had the, back SURGERY.

2760
02:04:09,439 --> 02:04:11,319
Speaker 4: So i think he had like a whole an entire Missed.

2761
02:04:11,359 --> 02:04:11,560
Speaker 3: Year.

2762
02:04:12,199 --> 02:04:17,960
Speaker 4: Missouri grant this might.

2763
02:04:18,000 --> 02:04:19,680
Speaker 2: SHOCK you i. Have nothing.

2764
02:04:20,920 --> 02:04:25,239
Speaker 3: It's not like A, real yeah it doesn't leap out

2765
02:04:25,359 --> 02:04:28,520
like it's not A rich so the only one of

2766
02:04:28,520 --> 02:04:31,920
THE like. I forget i want, to Say Like, kareem

2767
02:04:32,000 --> 02:04:34,279
rush but he's like All the rushes ARE. FROM la

2768
02:04:34,880 --> 02:04:35,479
i think he Went.

2769
02:04:35,520 --> 02:04:45,399
Speaker 4: To missouri that's. A man missouri. That's brutal.

2770
02:04:47,079 --> 02:04:49,119
Speaker 3: Do you think we have anyone in the audience that

2771
02:04:49,439 --> 02:04:53,039
like Just loves. Missouri basketball that's just like screaming.

2772
02:04:53,079 --> 02:04:57,039
Speaker 2: At, us right you said he? Led it what did he? Lead, in.

2773
02:04:59,600 --> 02:05:05,039
Speaker 5: Yeah Records at missouri and, career steals single damn single

2774
02:05:05,119 --> 02:05:08,640
season and. Career, assists okay so it's a Guard.

2775
02:05:08,680 --> 02:05:10,000
Speaker 4: From missouri.

2776
02:05:12,520 --> 02:05:16,000
Speaker 2: I'm just trying to go through all my collegiate MEMORIES that. I, have.

2777
02:05:19,279 --> 02:05:22,359
Speaker 4: Man s. Is tough no one's coming to mind. From,

2778
02:05:22,399 --> 02:05:27,079
THERE yeah i. DON'T know i don't. HAVE nothing I

2779
02:05:27,079 --> 02:05:29,239
think i would ask. Another clue we NEED another.

2780
02:05:29,319 --> 02:05:34,840
Speaker 3: CLUELU three i was the TWENTY Twelve Sec preseason player

2781
02:05:34,880 --> 02:05:37,720
Of the year and SHARE the sec record for single

2782
02:05:37,800 --> 02:05:38,680
dame assists.

2783
02:05:38,760 --> 02:05:40,000
Speaker 5: With nineteen.

2784
02:05:41,159 --> 02:05:44,560
Speaker 1: There's a preseason player of. The year how unserious is?

2785
02:05:44,600 --> 02:05:46,600
College basketball.

2786
02:05:47,359 --> 02:05:50,000
Speaker 3: Wouldn't that be something if there's A PRESEASON all nba

2787
02:05:50,079 --> 02:05:50,840
team where you're just.

2788
02:05:50,880 --> 02:05:54,960
Speaker 1: On it who what company Sponsors that i'd be embarrassed

2789
02:05:54,960 --> 02:05:55,800
to have my brand?

2790
02:05:55,920 --> 02:05:58,119
Speaker 2: Associated with that. Is funny i've never thought.

2791
02:05:58,119 --> 02:06:01,439
Speaker 1: About it that's like that is SPONSORED. By timu that

2792
02:06:01,520 --> 02:06:02,760
award has to be sponsored by.

2793
02:06:03,000 --> 02:06:08,000
Speaker 4: THOSE products, i mean are we are we missing?

2794
02:06:08,000 --> 02:06:13,800
Speaker 3: An opportunity to fixate On, the Celtics given andrews stated

2795
02:06:13,840 --> 02:06:16,920
team preference and background that we're looking at.

2796
02:06:17,000 --> 02:06:21,319
Speaker 2: Right Now Where's larry? Bird from It's? Not, missouri, okay,

2797
02:06:26,279 --> 02:06:30,479
man wait, oh no he's from and He. That's illinois Is.

2798
02:06:30,479 --> 02:06:32,840
Not missouri i'm so hung up On Miss.

2799
02:06:34,279 --> 02:06:38,760
Speaker 1: Jason tatum Is from illinois though Him and bradley He's From,

2800
02:06:38,840 --> 02:06:43,760
saint louis Which. Is, missouri okay, never mind That's, not,

2801
02:06:43,840 --> 02:06:45,279
dallas regardless he.

2802
02:06:45,279 --> 02:06:49,720
Speaker 4: Didn't he didn't Go. To missouri And also jason was

2803
02:06:49,720 --> 02:06:51,239
not in college for. THREE years.

2804
02:06:54,119 --> 02:06:57,079
Speaker 2: I already forget some of the. Prior, clues Yeah that's

2805
02:06:57,279 --> 02:06:59,680
dallas and then Went to Texas.

2806
02:06:59,720 --> 02:07:03,680
Speaker 1: And massachusetts three year, college player had all those Records

2807
02:07:03,680 --> 02:07:06,640
at Missouri preseason player Of, the year which is a

2808
02:07:06,680 --> 02:07:08,560
fucking award for, some reason.

2809
02:07:10,880 --> 02:07:11,479
Speaker 4: And HAS the.

2810
02:07:11,560 --> 02:07:13,800
Speaker 5: Sec record single dame assists.

2811
02:07:13,800 --> 02:07:16,399
Speaker 2: With, nineteen oh so he's a night he's a pastor

2812
02:07:16,439 --> 02:07:18,359
and gets a bunch. Of steals.

2813
02:07:21,479 --> 02:07:22,279
Speaker 5: This is the last.

2814
02:07:22,319 --> 02:07:25,880
Speaker 4: College clue if thats let's, let's see let's hear the. Next,

2815
02:07:25,880 --> 02:07:26,520
clue then.

2816
02:07:28,199 --> 02:07:29,119
Speaker 5: Did you guys even did a?

2817
02:07:29,159 --> 02:07:31,199
Speaker 4: DestinE there I'M so i.

2818
02:07:31,199 --> 02:07:35,000
Speaker 2: Can't think where's did white? Chocolate Go To. Jason williams where's. He,

2819
02:07:35,079 --> 02:07:39,520
from well He's From west virginia and went somewhere And.

2820
02:07:39,560 --> 02:07:41,760
Speaker 4: Then florida why do you know?

2821
02:07:41,920 --> 02:07:47,560
Speaker 2: THIS first i don't know, right Well Had randy moss on.

2822
02:07:47,600 --> 02:07:49,000
Speaker 4: The brain they played together in.

2823
02:07:49,039 --> 02:07:52,840
Speaker 5: High school, four.

2824
02:07:53,359 --> 02:07:57,600
Speaker 2: Yeah and Maybe five flora maybe.

2825
02:07:58,600 --> 02:08:02,039
Speaker 5: UHLU four i HEARD the nba draft after my, junior

2826
02:08:02,079 --> 02:08:06,720
season but ultimately went undrafted due to my small size and. Shooting.

2827
02:08:06,880 --> 02:08:11,159
Speaker 2: Concerns ah maybe he would have went higher if he

2828
02:08:11,159 --> 02:08:13,399
had won Another preseason player Of the, year award if

2829
02:08:13,399 --> 02:08:16,039
he had a couple of those in. The bank do You?

2830
02:08:16,119 --> 02:08:19,520
Speaker 4: Know smith is It? Is smith it is Not? Is

2831
02:08:19,600 --> 02:08:24,960
smith he's not, Oh, man now this.

2832
02:08:25,039 --> 02:08:28,520
Speaker 3: Is so obviously he made it because he wouldn't be

2833
02:08:28,520 --> 02:08:30,359
a guess a player if he hadn't got TO.

2834
02:08:30,399 --> 02:08:32,840
Speaker 4: The nba maybe he's an.

2835
02:08:32,840 --> 02:08:37,319
Speaker 1: Overseas legend don't give away the. Next clue he's ON

2836
02:08:37,359 --> 02:08:38,680
an n one mixtape tour.

2837
02:08:38,800 --> 02:08:44,640
Speaker 2: Right now i'm trying to think of undrafted guys who

2838
02:08:44,640 --> 02:08:46,119
got a bunt questions with.

2839
02:08:46,159 --> 02:08:48,439
Speaker 5: A shot, he, said Yes.

2840
02:08:51,479 --> 02:08:52,119
Speaker 4: Where's isaiah?

2841
02:08:52,119 --> 02:08:58,880
Speaker 2: Whitehead from you, got me? Not him, all right that's.

2842
02:08:58,920 --> 02:09:04,000
Speaker 3: My Contribution uh smith Went To, wake forest by, the way,

2843
02:09:04,560 --> 02:09:08,520
similar colors got Like the black And the Gold.

2844
02:09:09,039 --> 02:09:16,399
Speaker 2: Where brandy foyd gor Is A yukon maybe yeah that,

2845
02:09:16,479 --> 02:09:16,960
sounds right.

2846
02:09:19,439 --> 02:09:22,239
Speaker 4: The, moon, like yep. That's right check. Us Out.

2847
02:09:25,199 --> 02:09:30,800
Speaker 3: Uh dan brought, something up so you're gonna get like

2848
02:09:30,880 --> 02:09:31,399
a bonus.

2849
02:09:31,399 --> 02:09:33,800
Speaker 5: Clue here THIS is tlu four and. A, half okay

2850
02:09:36,159 --> 02:09:41,319
so high school high. School. Basketball here he had several

2851
02:09:41,520 --> 02:09:47,960
YouTube video much taller players that. Became popular there is

2852
02:09:48,000 --> 02:09:52,399
a video out there Of him duncan that has nine hundred.

2853
02:09:52,399 --> 02:09:54,079
Thousand views.

2854
02:09:55,199 --> 02:09:56,760
Speaker 2: This is gonna be absolutely nothing.

2855
02:09:56,800 --> 02:10:01,720
Speaker 4: To. Grant yeah now we've been in my mind. Spot

2856
02:10:03,279 --> 02:10:06,079
views what are? These views you?

2857
02:10:06,159 --> 02:10:06,479
Speaker 5: Speak?

2858
02:10:06,520 --> 02:10:08,439
Speaker 2: Of likens.

2859
02:10:11,239 --> 02:10:15,479
Speaker 5: He Dumped Over. Tony mitchell if that, means anything well.

2860
02:10:15,319 --> 02:10:17,479
Speaker 3: That changes and now it's changed the type Of player

2861
02:10:17,520 --> 02:10:23,479
i'm thinking of pretty. Pretty significantly, couldn't shoot, super athletic

2862
02:10:24,279 --> 02:10:26,560
a ton of steals and Assists, at missouri.

2863
02:10:27,239 --> 02:10:29,680
Speaker 1: Undrafted too all these players that are coming into my

2864
02:10:29,720 --> 02:10:31,840
head are Just draft some of them been drafting the,

2865
02:10:31,880 --> 02:10:32,920
lottery too which is.

2866
02:10:32,960 --> 02:10:36,199
Speaker 2: Just bad most of them definitely didn't Go. To missouri.

2867
02:10:39,960 --> 02:10:43,920
Speaker 3: Time for, Yeah FIVE yeah i, got yeah we NEED it.

2868
02:10:45,479 --> 02:10:49,159
FLU five i am one of countless father son duos

2869
02:10:49,159 --> 02:10:52,239
to play IN. The nba my father was a first

2870
02:10:52,319 --> 02:10:54,119
round pick in the nineteen EIGHTY two.

2871
02:10:54,279 --> 02:11:00,600
Speaker 4: Nba draft this, Is great this. Is great we should.

2872
02:11:00,760 --> 02:11:04,199
Speaker 3: Like these these are these are. Good clues this is,

2873
02:11:04,199 --> 02:11:06,600
a significant sufficiently.

2874
02:11:06,640 --> 02:11:10,239
Speaker 2: OBSCURE player i hate myself at. THE moment i.

2875
02:11:10,520 --> 02:11:12,079
Speaker 4: Hate myself, he's like WHY don't i?

2876
02:11:12,159 --> 02:11:14,039
Speaker 1: Have this we had a lot of. College CLUES so

2877
02:11:14,039 --> 02:11:16,239
i don't. Hate myself you should. Be, Ashamed great i'm

2878
02:11:16,960 --> 02:11:23,000
uncomfortable one of the many father. Son Duos now i'm

2879
02:11:23,039 --> 02:11:23,520
gonna latch.

2880
02:11:23,560 --> 02:11:28,239
Speaker 5: Onto that so a little more on his father first

2881
02:11:28,920 --> 02:11:32,479
first pitch in the nineteen EIGHTY two, nba draft played

2882
02:11:32,680 --> 02:11:37,279
for three teams across, eleven seasons including his final One

2883
02:11:37,359 --> 02:11:41,560
For Grant's Golden. State Warriors, oh grant, all right, all right,

2884
02:11:41,680 --> 02:11:42,039
come on.

2885
02:11:46,159 --> 02:11:49,199
Speaker 4: Well let's see there's There's no.

2886
02:11:49,680 --> 02:11:51,760
Speaker 2: So that's what does that? Put us? Late eighties if

2887
02:11:51,760 --> 02:11:53,560
he was three teams or? Was it how long was

2888
02:11:53,600 --> 02:11:54,079
his draft?

2889
02:11:54,479 --> 02:11:57,119
Speaker 3: Eighty two, so yeah eleven years he's on like the

2890
02:11:57,239 --> 02:11:58,439
ninety two or Ninety.

2891
02:11:58,479 --> 02:12:04,520
Speaker 4: THREE warriors, i mean it's Not Like Tim hardaway junior

2892
02:12:04,560 --> 02:12:07,439
did Not go where did he Went? To michigan he

2893
02:12:07,520 --> 02:12:10,479
was drafted too right in the, first.

2894
02:12:10,279 --> 02:12:20,600
Speaker 3: Round not Dunking, on yeah so probably Not Him Man.

2895
02:12:25,359 --> 02:12:27,640
Speaker 5: Tim, hardaway junior twenty fourth overall piss in.

2896
02:12:27,720 --> 02:12:32,039
Speaker 4: Twenty thirteen, yeah yeah, oh yeah.

2897
02:12:32,039 --> 02:12:33,079
Speaker 2: That's right the dad isn't.

2898
02:12:33,079 --> 02:12:35,000
Speaker 1: The clue, Holy shit i'm now trying to think of,

2899
02:12:35,039 --> 02:12:36,920
the DAD which i guess we get, me there, but.

2900
02:12:37,079 --> 02:12:39,800
Speaker 3: Well yeah the dad should get you this to this

2901
02:12:39,920 --> 02:12:42,520
player who Had a so the dad and the son

2902
02:12:42,600 --> 02:12:49,760
both had like. Real careers the dunking thing IS now.

2903
02:12:49,760 --> 02:12:52,439
I can't i was so Focused on missouri And now

2904
02:12:52,439 --> 02:12:54,239
i'm trying to, think, of like who's the little guy

2905
02:12:54,279 --> 02:12:56,039
that's famous for dunking on.

2906
02:12:56,640 --> 02:13:02,000
Speaker 4: Bigger players And the. Warriors thing we should have this.

2907
02:13:02,159 --> 02:13:03,239
Speaker 2: BY now i think we need.

2908
02:13:03,279 --> 02:13:04,520
Speaker 4: Another, CLUE yeah i think.

2909
02:13:04,600 --> 02:13:07,119
Speaker 5: SO too i don't know if you should first four

2910
02:13:07,199 --> 02:13:11,760
we're all. Non damn and then that was. Pretty obscure

2911
02:13:11,840 --> 02:13:13,479
he's a pretty. Obscure player i'll tell.

2912
02:13:13,520 --> 02:13:15,399
Speaker 4: You, That good, ALL right.

2913
02:13:15,760 --> 02:13:19,640
Speaker 5: Clu six despite, GOING undrafted i appeared in seventy five

2914
02:13:19,720 --> 02:13:22,640
games as, a rookie averaging two point eight points per

2915
02:13:22,680 --> 02:13:25,560
dame and fifteen point one minutes. Per game.

2916
02:13:26,960 --> 02:13:29,560
Speaker 2: So they just didn't want, to, shoot yeah or couldn't

2917
02:13:29,720 --> 02:13:31,119
or couldn't, fair, enough.

2918
02:13:32,800 --> 02:13:37,920
Speaker 3: Man there's so many different hang ups went undrafted due

2919
02:13:37,920 --> 02:13:39,119
to my small size and.

2920
02:13:39,159 --> 02:13:51,399
Speaker 5: Shooting concerns.

2921
02:13:47,199 --> 02:13:50,640
Speaker 3: But it's Also like i'm trying to think of like

2922
02:13:50,720 --> 02:13:54,439
small guys that dunked, a lot but that does it

2923
02:13:54,439 --> 02:13:56,159
doesn't necessarily mean this guy was doing that IN.

2924
02:13:56,199 --> 02:14:01,000
Speaker 1: The, NBA no i mean two points per game is. A, rookie.

2925
02:14:00,119 --> 02:14:02,760
Speaker 4: Yeah And then missouri that's just like that is just.

2926
02:14:03,439 --> 02:14:03,960
Killing me.

2927
02:14:06,760 --> 02:14:08,840
Speaker 1: I'm getting hung up on the father son DUO because

2928
02:14:08,840 --> 02:14:10,119
i FEEL like i should instantly.

2929
02:14:10,199 --> 02:14:10,319
Speaker 2: Know.

2930
02:14:10,439 --> 02:14:13,079
Speaker 3: It, RIGHT yes i mean there's, a lot but it's

2931
02:14:13,119 --> 02:14:17,279
not and there Was a warriors connection.

2932
02:14:19,920 --> 02:14:21,520
Speaker 5: That that may or may not come.

2933
02:14:21,600 --> 02:14:24,119
Speaker 4: Up, LATER okay i think we better.

2934
02:14:24,119 --> 02:14:26,800
Speaker 2: Get, another yeah we Need six clue seven whatever.

2935
02:14:26,840 --> 02:14:28,119
Speaker 5: THIS is i almost WANTED to i wanted to Do

2936
02:14:28,159 --> 02:14:32,800
a clue six and a. Half here after my debut Against,

2937
02:14:32,880 --> 02:14:36,359
THE jazz i, SAID quote i Wouldn't say i'm trying

2938
02:14:36,399 --> 02:14:38,960
to prove. People wrong i'm trying to prove myself RIGHT

2939
02:14:39,039 --> 02:14:43,119
because I know i can do. Almost, anything wow.

2940
02:14:45,359 --> 02:14:45,960
Speaker 2: And now we can. Do.

2941
02:14:46,439 --> 02:14:48,880
Speaker 5: Seven yeah that was just a. Balls quote.

2942
02:14:49,079 --> 02:14:50,800
Speaker 4: That, one yeah THAT one i don't have in my.

2943
02:14:50,840 --> 02:14:51,439
MEMORY bank.

2944
02:14:52,560 --> 02:14:57,199
Speaker 5: CLU seven i only played fifty games my second year

2945
02:14:57,279 --> 02:15:02,119
and one dame for the main. RED clause i played

2946
02:15:02,119 --> 02:15:07,560
behind the Lights Of jean Rondo And. Isaiah thomas, oh.

2947
02:15:07,000 --> 02:15:13,039
Speaker 2: God you were right In the, Celtics, connection grant you

2948
02:15:13,039 --> 02:15:13,520
were there.

2949
02:15:13,560 --> 02:15:19,439
Speaker 4: With, that, yeah oh why don't we have? This yet

2950
02:15:19,479 --> 02:15:19,880
who's Like.

2951
02:15:19,920 --> 02:15:22,640
Speaker 1: A celtic there, are people there are, people, Screaming right,

2952
02:15:22,760 --> 02:15:30,680
OH yeah.

2953
02:15:26,880 --> 02:15:33,359
Speaker 4: I, mean like. It's not It Can't Like nate robinson

2954
02:15:33,399 --> 02:15:33,800
didn't Go.

2955
02:15:33,840 --> 02:15:35,960
Speaker 1: To, missouri no he was drafted in the first, round

2956
02:15:36,000 --> 02:15:36,720
too when he's from.

2957
02:15:36,800 --> 02:15:39,800
Speaker 4: Right and it's, just like, it's not. IT'S not i

2958
02:15:39,800 --> 02:15:43,880
don't think his dad was IN. The nba he did

2959
02:15:43,920 --> 02:15:46,159
play For. The celtics so that's at least where we got.

2960
02:15:46,159 --> 02:15:49,119
Speaker 2: One thing who's on, Those, teams.

2961
02:15:51,199 --> 02:15:54,840
Speaker 4: Like yeah little guy can't. SHOOT athletic.

2962
02:15:56,359 --> 02:15:59,479
Speaker 5: I went back to the depths Of my celtics.

2963
02:15:59,600 --> 02:16:03,880
Speaker 2: KNOWLEDGE year i think we need. Another clue grant's gonna

2964
02:16:03,880 --> 02:16:05,960
have to go before we even get this guest. Up player, oh,

2965
02:16:06,039 --> 02:16:06,800
yeah right.

2966
02:16:07,199 --> 02:16:10,840
Speaker 4: That's right we gotta get this in. Ten minutes.

2967
02:16:12,199 --> 02:16:15,520
Speaker 5: CLUE eight i played my last season IN the nba

2968
02:16:15,560 --> 02:16:19,720
in twenty fifteen sixteen for, two teams appearing in fourteen

2969
02:16:19,800 --> 02:16:22,359
dames For the philadelphia Seventy six ers and nine For The.

2970
02:16:22,359 --> 02:16:23,600
PHOENIX suns.

2971
02:16:27,439 --> 02:16:27,720
Speaker 2: I don't.

2972
02:16:27,720 --> 02:16:29,800
Speaker 1: KNOW why i so many times just wanted To Scream

2973
02:16:29,840 --> 02:16:31,239
alfred peyton and that's.

2974
02:16:31,319 --> 02:16:32,360
Speaker 2: Just camp that just.

2975
02:16:32,399 --> 02:16:34,239
Speaker 4: Can't be he was like a top ten pick.

2976
02:16:34,360 --> 02:16:41,280
Speaker 2: OR something i Apologize To. Alfred peyton yeah.

2977
02:16:39,360 --> 02:16:45,920
Speaker 4: That doesn't that doesn't. HELP me i DON'T think I, got.

2978
02:16:47,200 --> 02:16:50,280
Speaker 5: YES please i bounced AROUND The g league at the

2979
02:16:50,360 --> 02:16:53,200
end OF my, nba career with Stops, in Maine The

2980
02:16:53,239 --> 02:17:01,559
idaho stampede And The Santa. CRUZ warriors, i mean who's?

2981
02:17:01,600 --> 02:17:02,920
Speaker 4: That guy how.

2982
02:17:02,799 --> 02:17:09,719
Speaker 2: Long has mac McClung? Been around? How old who's? That

2983
02:17:09,799 --> 02:17:12,360
guy that's literally the entire exercise.

2984
02:17:12,760 --> 02:17:15,799
Speaker 4: Into my brain, flashed like oh that little guy from

2985
02:17:15,879 --> 02:17:16,840
the From The Santa.

2986
02:17:16,879 --> 02:17:26,760
Speaker 3: Who's warriors but we're talking ten. Years, ago, Yeah, CLASS

2987
02:17:26,840 --> 02:17:31,639
yeah i went overseas in twenty seventeen and played for

2988
02:17:31,760 --> 02:17:35,200
five years before returning as an assistant coach in twenty,

2989
02:17:35,239 --> 02:17:38,879
twenty two WINNING The nba championship in twenty.

2990
02:17:38,920 --> 02:17:39,719
Speaker 5: Twenty four.

2991
02:17:41,399 --> 02:17:46,559
Speaker 4: So he's On the. Celtic's, Bench boy, oh Boy.

2992
02:17:48,879 --> 02:17:52,440
Speaker 2: That's missoula misola didn't have His, own yeah he had

2993
02:17:52,440 --> 02:17:54,479
his own staff at, this point didn't he did he?

2994
02:17:54,520 --> 02:17:58,319
Replace anybody after He. REPLACED udoka i. DON'T know i.

2995
02:17:58,319 --> 02:17:58,840
Don't know.

2996
02:18:00,600 --> 02:18:03,319
Speaker 3: I'm trying to picture the, bench now Like who's, you

2997
02:18:03,360 --> 02:18:05,719
know how you're watching, the games you like recognize like

2998
02:18:05,879 --> 02:18:06,959
staff and assistance.

2999
02:18:07,000 --> 02:18:10,680
Speaker 4: And stuff after, A. While who's but then he Wouldn't

3000
02:18:10,680 --> 02:18:11,360
look i'm thinking of a.

3001
02:18:11,360 --> 02:18:13,920
Speaker 3: Small guy he's not gonna look small on a bench necessarily,

3002
02:18:14,000 --> 02:18:16,600
because like, oh.

3003
02:18:16,360 --> 02:18:18,920
Speaker 2: Boy his dad was IN the. Nba too oh, my

3004
02:18:19,000 --> 02:18:24,040
god we might need. To eleven we gotta.

3005
02:18:23,879 --> 02:18:24,799
Speaker 4: Just go to the, next clue.

3006
02:18:25,479 --> 02:18:27,959
Speaker 5: All RIGHT so i hope this dives a little, bit

3007
02:18:28,000 --> 02:18:31,760
away but not. Too much it's a. Little eleven this

3008
02:18:32,120 --> 02:18:34,479
THE start i. Am now the head coach of The,

3009
02:18:34,520 --> 02:18:38,799
Main Celtics brad stevens said, ABOUT me I thought phil

3010
02:18:39,159 --> 02:18:42,040
was ready for this from the FIRST time i. Coached him.

3011
02:18:43,600 --> 02:18:45,479
Speaker 4: We get, the NAME and i DON'T think i.

3012
02:18:45,559 --> 02:18:50,239
Speaker 2: Know it, oh man you.

3013
02:18:50,280 --> 02:18:53,079
Speaker 1: Have it i'm not gonna pretend like we should have

3014
02:18:53,079 --> 02:18:53,479
gotten it.

3015
02:18:53,520 --> 02:18:57,079
Speaker 2: By now, Oh man but he's, gonna Say dam i'm gonna.

3016
02:18:57,079 --> 02:19:03,319
Get mad phil is Just press. Phil.

3017
02:19:03,360 --> 02:19:10,000
Speaker 3: PRESSY oh i would never in a, million years never

3018
02:19:10,159 --> 02:19:10,600
wouldn't have.

3019
02:19:10,639 --> 02:19:14,360
Speaker 4: Got it where did that? Come from why did you?

3020
02:19:14,399 --> 02:19:14,520
Speaker 3: Know?

3021
02:19:14,559 --> 02:19:17,920
Speaker 1: THAT me i just was trying to think of players

3022
02:19:17,920 --> 02:19:20,680
That played phil and he mentioned the, First NAME so i, Do?

3023
02:19:20,760 --> 02:19:22,200
Speaker 2: THAT phil i Was, LIKE phil i was trying to

3024
02:19:22,239 --> 02:19:23,360
Think of pressy was?

3025
02:19:23,360 --> 02:19:27,520
Speaker 3: The Name So paul pressy was is, the DAD which

3026
02:19:27,639 --> 02:19:28,200
i could not have.

3027
02:19:28,200 --> 02:19:30,280
Speaker 4: Told you we played For. The warriors So, that, oh,

3028
02:19:30,360 --> 02:19:32,120
man great that.

3029
02:19:32,239 --> 02:19:34,719
Speaker 2: Was, amazing yeah that's that's what.

3030
02:19:34,799 --> 02:19:37,680
Speaker 3: You want you want to hate yourself through the whole

3031
02:19:37,719 --> 02:19:41,000
process and, then, GO oh.

3032
02:19:40,120 --> 02:19:45,280
Speaker 2: I sufficiently feel bad. About, Myself grant can we try

3033
02:19:45,280 --> 02:19:47,239
To have andrew one through one of the submissions? Really

3034
02:19:47,280 --> 02:19:48,479
quick to try? One?

3035
02:19:48,520 --> 02:19:52,280
Speaker 5: More yeah SUBMISSIONS or i do have that trivia?

3036
02:19:52,319 --> 02:19:55,879
Speaker 2: As well, ah yeah either your.

3037
02:19:55,959 --> 02:20:00,360
Speaker 5: Your pick, All right well we'll try a. Submission first

3038
02:20:00,920 --> 02:20:03,600
we'll see see how. We do that's one. Shot Tail

3039
02:20:03,680 --> 02:20:09,319
this this is from bridge At x oh this is

3040
02:20:09,840 --> 02:20:10,399
this is gonna.

3041
02:20:10,399 --> 02:20:13,479
Speaker 2: Be rich this is apath.

3042
02:20:12,840 --> 02:20:17,959
Speaker 5: Be rich ats that's that. FIRST clue i was drafted

3043
02:20:18,000 --> 02:20:21,719
outside the lottery and, twenty fifteen after spending two years IN,

3044
02:20:21,799 --> 02:20:22,840
The sec.

3045
02:20:23,760 --> 02:20:25,200
Speaker 2: We're gonna do, This Again.

3046
02:20:27,200 --> 02:20:34,360
Speaker 3: Phil pressy twenty fifteen outside THE lottery sec for how

3047
02:20:34,399 --> 02:20:37,600
many years we?

3048
02:20:37,680 --> 02:20:37,920
Speaker 4: Gotta?

3049
02:20:38,000 --> 02:20:41,680
Speaker 3: TRY so i ONE thing i don't know is who's

3050
02:20:41,719 --> 02:20:44,799
in what? Conference, anymore yeah that's become.

3051
02:20:44,920 --> 02:20:52,040
Speaker 4: Very difficult twenty fifteen outside. THE lottery.

3052
02:20:53,520 --> 02:20:57,280
Speaker 3: I don't know who's someone From like alabama class, or

3053
02:20:57,440 --> 02:20:58,280
yeah who's in the twenty?

3054
02:20:58,280 --> 02:20:59,840
Speaker 4: Fifteen class what year?

3055
02:21:01,600 --> 02:21:04,760
Speaker 2: Is that the is THAT the kp one didn't we just?

3056
02:21:04,760 --> 02:21:06,719
Sorry you or is that not? Twenty fifteen i'm.

3057
02:21:06,760 --> 02:21:08,799
Speaker 3: SO bad i need if you give me like, THREE

3058
02:21:08,840 --> 02:21:11,280
players i could, name everybody but if you just give me,

3059
02:21:11,280 --> 02:21:13,600
THE year i can't remember who's in what draft class?

3060
02:21:13,920 --> 02:21:17,239
Speaker 1: Twenty fifteen because twenty Fourteen, Was. Wiggans no twenty thirteen.

3061
02:21:17,280 --> 02:21:21,280
Was no twenty Fourteen. WAS wiggins i think he's.

3062
02:21:21,319 --> 02:21:21,959
Speaker 4: Around there.

3063
02:21:24,159 --> 02:21:26,479
Speaker 5: Forty fifteen is number. One overall pitch is near and

3064
02:21:26,520 --> 02:21:27,719
dear to. Your heart SO.

3065
02:21:30,159 --> 02:21:31,719
Speaker 4: Now i don't KNOW if i hate this player or.

3066
02:21:31,840 --> 02:21:34,719
Speaker 5: Like him, uh oh, EXCUSE me I Said.

3067
02:21:34,760 --> 02:21:38,799
Speaker 4: Grant dan, oh, no oh his cat is cat the

3068
02:21:38,879 --> 02:21:40,559
number twenty fifteen.

3069
02:21:41,319 --> 02:21:43,879
Speaker 2: Drafted outside the lottery in that draft FROM an.

3070
02:21:43,840 --> 02:21:47,319
Speaker 3: Sec school so we could Be in. KENTUCKY territory.

3071
02:21:50,799 --> 02:21:54,799
Speaker 2: I don't know who do you want drafted outside the

3072
02:21:54,879 --> 02:21:58,360
lottery just in? That draft that's. Basically, it yeah oh

3073
02:21:58,399 --> 02:22:00,440
but he was he was in school for two. Years though,

3074
02:22:01,000 --> 02:22:01,639
oh ye.

3075
02:22:03,680 --> 02:22:08,319
Speaker 1: IN the Sec is kentucky IN. THE sec i think so, All,

3076
02:22:08,399 --> 02:22:13,079
Right tyler yeah They Were.

3077
02:22:13,399 --> 02:22:16,719
Speaker 2: Tyler Lewis. TYLER ewis i.

3078
02:22:16,799 --> 02:22:19,959
Speaker 4: LOVE that, I, guess yeah we got we gotta get.

3079
02:22:20,000 --> 02:22:21,159
ANOTHER clue i have nothing.

3080
02:22:21,760 --> 02:22:24,959
Speaker 5: FLU too i averaged seven points and five rebounds my,

3081
02:22:25,079 --> 02:22:28,799
rookie year sharing the Floor With Bulls Legend kirk heinrich

3082
02:22:28,840 --> 02:22:30,879
in the final year of. His, career.

3083
02:22:32,120 --> 02:22:36,200
Speaker 4: Well so is Where Is kirk heinrich in in?

3084
02:22:36,360 --> 02:22:36,520
Speaker 3: This?

3085
02:22:36,559 --> 02:22:39,959
Speaker 2: One? Though oh didn't they just say he was On?

3086
02:22:40,079 --> 02:22:43,000
Speaker 3: The, bulls well He Said? Bulls legend but like did

3087
02:22:43,159 --> 02:22:45,079
he wasn't there his? WHOLE career i don't think was

3088
02:22:45,120 --> 02:22:47,399
He wasn't heinrich somewhere else at?

3089
02:22:47,399 --> 02:22:51,079
Speaker 4: The, end also twenty Fifteen Was kirk heinrich? Last year

3090
02:22:51,079 --> 02:22:51,479
how old?

3091
02:22:51,479 --> 02:22:51,639
Speaker 3: Are?

3092
02:22:51,680 --> 02:22:52,600
Speaker 2: We yeah?

3093
02:22:52,639 --> 02:22:56,319
Speaker 3: That's, Crazy Ah?

3094
02:22:57,000 --> 02:22:59,760
Speaker 2: Aaron brooks did he go TO an? SEC school i.

3095
02:22:59,760 --> 02:23:02,319
Speaker 5: Don't know It's Not. Aaron brooks that's a.

3096
02:23:02,360 --> 02:23:03,360
Speaker 4: GOOD guess.

3097
02:23:06,360 --> 02:23:08,680
Speaker 3: I think my brain. STOPPED working I think i've had

3098
02:23:08,680 --> 02:23:09,479
too many guess.

3099
02:23:09,520 --> 02:23:10,479
Speaker 2: Of players.

3100
02:23:11,920 --> 02:23:17,479
Speaker 1: Try to remember who gave the, Clues, Though, grant yeah.

3101
02:23:16,159 --> 02:23:18,879
Speaker 2: That that leads me astray as often. As, not though

3102
02:23:19,239 --> 02:23:20,600
What's the warriors? Connection?

3103
02:23:20,719 --> 02:23:21,799
Speaker 4: Here, YEAH right.

3104
02:23:23,280 --> 02:23:25,040
Speaker 3: I. DON'T know i just can't remember Where kerk. Kinrich

3105
02:23:25,159 --> 02:23:26,639
was it could have Been the bulls who maybe did

3106
02:23:26,719 --> 02:23:27,200
a farewell.

3107
02:23:27,239 --> 02:23:27,520
Speaker 2: TO her i.

3108
02:23:27,559 --> 02:23:32,879
Speaker 4: Don't know you want, Another, clue, yeah alright clue.

3109
02:23:33,040 --> 02:23:36,479
Speaker 5: Number three the third most similar player to me through

3110
02:23:36,559 --> 02:23:40,159
ten years is One of grant's, favorite players A man

3111
02:23:40,319 --> 02:23:44,760
grant's fashioned his facial hair on. Since College, RICH fox.

3112
02:23:46,280 --> 02:23:49,639
Speaker 2: I Was LIKE lionel messi didn't. Play, basket, no wait,

3113
02:23:50,399 --> 02:23:52,799
most well, this again just what a.

3114
02:23:53,239 --> 02:23:56,399
Speaker 3: Red herring the whole like most most similar to those

3115
02:23:56,399 --> 02:24:01,319
are always like the three most different players you could?

3116
02:24:01,360 --> 02:24:02,879
Possibly imagine so.

3117
02:24:02,840 --> 02:24:03,719
Speaker 2: Does that make him? A wing?

3118
02:24:05,479 --> 02:24:09,559
Speaker 3: Not necessarily, if so this. Is player this player is

3119
02:24:09,600 --> 02:24:10,440
most Similar.

3120
02:24:10,200 --> 02:24:11,840
Speaker 4: To, rick fox for whatever.

3121
02:24:11,879 --> 02:24:15,719
Speaker 3: THAT'S worth sec school outside the lottery twenty fifteen.

3122
02:24:15,760 --> 02:24:17,120
Speaker 2: Was On kirk hinrich's team as.

3123
02:24:17,159 --> 02:24:22,000
Speaker 3: A Rookie kurk heinrich is roughly in his early. Thirties

3124
02:24:22,040 --> 02:24:24,680
now if he's still in, THE league i, guess right based, on.

3125
02:24:24,760 --> 02:24:25,920
Speaker 2: Oh still in. THE league i didn't.

3126
02:24:25,959 --> 02:24:31,200
Speaker 4: Know that if, he is we don't know a team

3127
02:24:31,280 --> 02:24:32,719
unless It's. The bulls.

3128
02:24:34,760 --> 02:24:36,319
Speaker 5: Third most similar player.

3129
02:24:36,360 --> 02:24:39,000
Speaker 2: To me, oh third that's not even the most. Similar

3130
02:24:39,040 --> 02:24:39,639
player this is.

3131
02:24:39,680 --> 02:24:45,479
Speaker 4: THE year I don't i don't HAVE it i have.

3132
02:24:45,520 --> 02:24:46,680
No idea we need.

3133
02:24:46,719 --> 02:24:50,600
Speaker 3: Another clue, So four i've averaged twelve and seven so

3134
02:24:50,680 --> 02:24:54,120
far in my career on. Efficient shooting my career high

3135
02:24:54,479 --> 02:24:57,200
and regular season starts is, fifty five.

3136
02:24:58,600 --> 02:24:59,040
Speaker 2: So not.

3137
02:24:59,120 --> 02:25:00,799
Speaker 4: Necessarily starter.

3138
02:25:02,280 --> 02:25:05,000
Speaker 1: Twenty fifteen is too far Back For, Naji, MARSHALL right,

3139
02:25:06,079 --> 02:25:10,440
i think, so, yeah yeah, well seven that's an.

3140
02:25:10,440 --> 02:25:11,799
Speaker 4: Interesting player like what?

3141
02:25:11,959 --> 02:25:12,440
Speaker 2: IS that.

3142
02:25:14,680 --> 02:25:17,319
Speaker 3: I guess If If rick fox, means anything it's not.

3143
02:25:17,399 --> 02:25:21,680
A center so it's. A, forward yeah that's in his

3144
02:25:22,079 --> 02:25:26,120
earl ish THIRTIES and.

3145
02:25:27,399 --> 02:25:30,440
Speaker 1: Sec school let me just go through the memory Bank

3146
02:25:30,479 --> 02:25:33,399
Of kirk hinrich's. FORMER teammates, i know just see we

3147
02:25:33,440 --> 02:25:33,879
can turn.

3148
02:25:33,920 --> 02:25:34,000
Speaker 4: It.

3149
02:25:34,079 --> 02:25:39,360
Speaker 1: Up ah the twenty fifteen is throwing. ME off i

3150
02:25:39,360 --> 02:25:41,959
feel like we should know it when We're, the no that's,

3151
02:25:42,399 --> 02:25:43,120
oh no Because He.

3152
02:25:43,159 --> 02:25:44,920
Speaker 2: Kirt heinrich wasn't. ON that i was, gonna say when

3153
02:25:44,959 --> 02:25:47,000
Were the morris? Twins drafted it could be one.

3154
02:25:47,000 --> 02:25:50,120
Speaker 3: OF them i think they're further back, than, that okay

3155
02:25:50,840 --> 02:25:54,079
because they're both like mid to late. Thirties now they

3156
02:25:54,079 --> 02:25:56,879
were On the suns as, rookies Too and heinrich ver On, the,

3157
02:25:56,879 --> 02:26:00,120
SUNS right i DON'T think i think that's right, NOW

3158
02:26:00,239 --> 02:26:02,239
though i can convince my BRAIN that i can See

3159
02:26:02,280 --> 02:26:05,239
kerk heinrich in like ten. Different Jerseys like i'm sure

3160
02:26:05,239 --> 02:26:06,920
he was On. THE bucks i have no idea IF

3161
02:26:06,920 --> 02:26:07,879
it's i think we need.

3162
02:26:07,879 --> 02:26:10,440
Speaker 4: Another, clue yeah.

3163
02:26:09,840 --> 02:26:14,120
Speaker 5: All right this is flu. Number five after a one

3164
02:26:14,200 --> 02:26:17,120
year stop With, the wizards shot forty percent from three

3165
02:26:17,159 --> 02:26:20,440
averaged fourteen point one points and eight points. HITS rebounds

3166
02:26:20,840 --> 02:26:22,760
i signed a one year deal and tame off the

3167
02:26:22,760 --> 02:26:29,280
Bench For david fizdale in an. Uninspiring mixteam oh, oh

3168
02:26:29,319 --> 02:26:30,079
boy this is.

3169
02:26:30,200 --> 02:26:32,040
Speaker 2: Not good they got, for data.

3170
02:26:32,200 --> 02:26:35,799
Speaker 4: Pretty good year For. The wizards ends up On. The

3171
02:26:35,879 --> 02:26:39,879
knicks what Were the? Wizard stats andrew fourteen.

3172
02:26:39,520 --> 02:26:43,239
Speaker 5: And what three to eight and a half and a

3173
02:26:43,239 --> 02:26:45,440
half foards from three.

3174
02:26:46,000 --> 02:26:50,159
Speaker 4: From three sec school, twenty fifteen.

3175
02:26:51,559 --> 02:26:52,280
Speaker 2: He ends up On.

3176
02:26:52,319 --> 02:26:57,000
Speaker 3: THE knicks i Feel like grant should be able to

3177
02:26:57,040 --> 02:26:58,959
follow this with those.

3178
02:26:59,319 --> 02:27:00,680
Speaker 5: Two teams Me.

3179
02:27:01,040 --> 02:27:01,799
Speaker 4: The wizard Was so.

3180
02:27:01,920 --> 02:27:06,239
Speaker 3: Wizards man Yeah on dan to pull this one Out.

3181
02:27:06,479 --> 02:27:09,799
Speaker 2: The wizards To the knicks is tripping me out because

3182
02:27:09,840 --> 02:27:12,319
twenty fifteen and so if he was drafted outside the

3183
02:27:12,360 --> 02:27:14,440
lottery and he was With the knicks by, year three

3184
02:27:14,920 --> 02:27:16,399
that's what this puts. Him out so he. Didn't sign

3185
02:27:16,399 --> 02:27:18,840
he must have been drafted outside of the, first round.

3186
02:27:19,040 --> 02:27:24,719
Speaker 5: Then not necessarily With the knicks in, year three just

3187
02:27:24,799 --> 02:27:27,440
to one year stop With the wizards before going to

3188
02:27:27,479 --> 02:27:28,000
The next.

3189
02:27:27,920 --> 02:27:28,879
Speaker 2: Oh okay.

3190
02:27:30,600 --> 02:27:32,840
Speaker 1: So who did who was On the wizards and Tricked

3191
02:27:32,840 --> 02:27:34,159
the knicks into thinking they?

3192
02:27:34,200 --> 02:27:38,879
Speaker 3: Were, good well fourteen and eight and forty percent from

3193
02:27:38,920 --> 02:27:44,200
three is like a very specific like he's a forward

3194
02:27:44,840 --> 02:27:47,239
or a wing of like a big wing that could

3195
02:27:47,280 --> 02:27:52,239
show like eight rebounds is a ton, Of rebounds so

3196
02:27:52,280 --> 02:27:52,600
YOU gotta.

3197
02:27:52,639 --> 02:27:54,280
Speaker 4: I forwards I think.

3198
02:27:54,479 --> 02:27:57,120
Speaker 2: I keep Thinking About, al harrington who was drafted in.

3199
02:27:57,159 --> 02:28:04,000
Speaker 1: The, nineties yeah not in the closet twenty might have

3200
02:28:04,000 --> 02:28:07,079
been retired By fift they were On Kerk hin, richard's

3201
02:28:07,079 --> 02:28:10,879
team then we're With the wizards and then went To

3202
02:28:10,959 --> 02:28:12,559
the Knicks Under.

3203
02:28:12,639 --> 02:28:14,840
Speaker 5: David Fizdale david.

3204
02:28:14,520 --> 02:28:16,200
Speaker 2: Fizdale blacked out that.

3205
02:28:16,399 --> 02:28:18,040
Speaker 4: Entire era when was when? Was that?

3206
02:28:18,159 --> 02:28:18,239
Speaker 2: Is?

3207
02:28:18,239 --> 02:28:20,799
Speaker 4: That like is THAT? Post covid? For example it.

3208
02:28:20,799 --> 02:28:25,799
Speaker 2: Must, be no THAT'S Pre covid FIZDALE'S. Pre covid So.

3209
02:28:25,879 --> 02:28:28,159
Speaker 3: These wizards teams would have been some pretty Good Like

3210
02:28:28,280 --> 02:28:32,000
John wall. WIZARDS teams i think like if that helps that,

3211
02:28:32,280 --> 02:28:35,920
good way maybe maybe it could be leading us the,

3212
02:28:35,959 --> 02:28:36,639
wrong way.

3213
02:28:36,559 --> 02:28:37,959
Speaker 2: Who had a? Good bet who was good on the

3214
02:28:38,000 --> 02:28:40,360
bench For the wizards During that like it's.

3215
02:28:39,920 --> 02:28:42,079
Speaker 4: Like it's not auto porter because he was like the

3216
02:28:42,120 --> 02:28:43,600
third pick. Or SOMETHING.

3217
02:28:46,079 --> 02:28:47,879
Speaker 3: And i don't know what if the year's not, QUITE

3218
02:28:47,959 --> 02:28:48,920
right i don't think.

3219
02:28:49,200 --> 02:28:50,719
Speaker 2: Could they be a? Big MAN and i don't know

3220
02:28:50,760 --> 02:28:53,319
if that's really gonna help, because, right.

3221
02:28:53,760 --> 02:28:56,159
Speaker 3: Yeah that maybe we don't know the volume on that

3222
02:28:56,200 --> 02:28:58,399
forty but you feel like you would know it though

3223
02:28:58,479 --> 02:28:59,520
the forty percent just.

3224
02:28:59,520 --> 02:29:03,079
Speaker 2: In, GENERAL yeah i need. Another clue, OH yeah i.

3225
02:29:03,280 --> 02:29:04,479
Speaker 4: Think so i'm.

3226
02:29:04,520 --> 02:29:08,719
Speaker 5: Loving. This uh at my most, Recent stop i've finished

3227
02:29:08,840 --> 02:29:11,479
top ten And sixth man Of the year voting three

3228
02:29:11,559 --> 02:29:13,959
times and have continued to shoot the hell out of.

3229
02:29:14,000 --> 02:29:14,559
Speaker 4: The, ball.

3230
02:29:16,399 --> 02:29:21,879
Speaker 2: Well now this is. Getting, bad yeah, top ten top ten,

3231
02:29:22,000 --> 02:29:26,639
three times it's Not, really no he's never been am

3232
02:29:26,799 --> 02:29:27,559
WHAT am? I doing.

3233
02:29:29,280 --> 02:29:33,200
Speaker 4: THAT'S until i. Have clue we will get it on the.

3234
02:29:33,200 --> 02:29:36,040
Next clue who's been The six man of the?

3235
02:29:36,120 --> 02:29:38,440
Speaker 1: Year staple they can really? Shoot it that we should

3236
02:29:38,479 --> 02:29:41,000
just like that should be that would fit this.

3237
02:29:41,040 --> 02:29:44,799
Speaker 3: Timeline that's been, Like, Gone. Wizards nicks The kirk heinrich

3238
02:29:44,840 --> 02:29:45,639
connection is.

3239
02:29:45,840 --> 02:29:48,920
Speaker 4: Not helping me. At all it's not out of, My.

3240
02:29:48,840 --> 02:29:54,200
Speaker 3: Mind wizards nicks a ton of six, man consideration.

3241
02:29:56,319 --> 02:29:58,959
Speaker 4: Good shooter we think.

3242
02:29:59,680 --> 02:30:02,280
Speaker 2: We watch it be like that's not what it is.

3243
02:30:02,319 --> 02:30:04,799
Speaker 3: At all he's he's four for ten for his career

3244
02:30:04,920 --> 02:30:07,280
or SOMETHING that's i think it should.

3245
02:30:07,079 --> 02:30:09,719
Speaker 1: Be like the, past decade who's just been A six

3246
02:30:09,840 --> 02:30:12,360
man of the. Year staple it should it should be. That,

3247
02:30:12,520 --> 02:30:19,159
easy yeah because it's now my now my dog.

3248
02:30:19,239 --> 02:30:19,600
Speaker 2: Is pissed.

3249
02:30:19,639 --> 02:30:24,760
Speaker 3: He's easy everybody's everybody's another another perfect guess a player

3250
02:30:24,799 --> 02:30:26,559
where everyone's angry at themselves in.

3251
02:30:26,639 --> 02:30:30,159
Speaker 4: THE World i i'm.

3252
02:30:30,040 --> 02:30:32,399
Speaker 3: Just gonna ask for the next CLUE because i gotta leave.

3253
02:30:34,000 --> 02:30:37,719
Speaker 5: It is the. Last, CLUE okay i FEEL like i

3254
02:30:37,719 --> 02:30:40,479
should make you throw out some Names and i'll lay

3255
02:30:40,520 --> 02:30:45,520
out some things here from three fourteen points eight and a,

3256
02:30:45,520 --> 02:30:50,479
half boards you know that's that's A? Big uh top

3257
02:30:50,520 --> 02:30:54,360
ten And six man Of the year, voting? Nothing grant what.

3258
02:30:54,360 --> 02:30:56,479
Speaker 2: Is the matter? WITH us i. Don't know this is

3259
02:30:56,559 --> 02:31:01,120
so this is. So bad they shouldn't have Played, with,

3260
02:31:01,719 --> 02:31:02,440
wait no.

3261
02:31:04,799 --> 02:31:07,280
Speaker 4: There's connection? WHAT'S happening.

3262
02:31:08,879 --> 02:31:10,680
Speaker 2: I was, gonna say yon, maheem me who doesn't make?

3263
02:31:10,719 --> 02:31:11,760
Any sense what's.

3264
02:31:13,000 --> 02:31:14,559
Speaker 4: He played For? The wizards so?

3265
02:31:14,639 --> 02:31:14,719
Speaker 3: That?

3266
02:31:14,840 --> 02:31:18,559
Speaker 2: Helps uh did he Play With Kirk. HI regules i don't.

3267
02:31:18,600 --> 02:31:18,920
Speaker 3: Think so.

3268
02:31:20,079 --> 02:31:20,840
Speaker 5: Final clue.

3269
02:31:21,200 --> 02:31:22,319
Speaker 4: Yeah please.

3270
02:31:23,719 --> 02:31:27,360
Speaker 5: One of my nick names Is the Mayor. Of milwaukee

3271
02:31:27,719 --> 02:31:29,479
another Is. Crazy eyes.

3272
02:31:35,000 --> 02:31:36,799
Speaker 2: This isn't helping me. At all the.

3273
02:31:38,440 --> 02:31:40,879
Speaker 4: Teams are messing. Me Up Like bobby portis comes, to

3274
02:31:40,920 --> 02:31:43,280
mind but it's like That's not the teams are. All

3275
02:31:43,319 --> 02:31:47,159
wrong is that? The desk sure you?

3276
02:31:47,360 --> 02:31:51,079
Speaker 3: Dot, It Wait bobby portis played For the wizards And.

3277
02:31:51,120 --> 02:31:53,559
The knicks dam and turn your mic ON so i

3278
02:31:53,559 --> 02:31:54,159
can hear your.

3279
02:31:54,360 --> 02:31:58,360
Speaker 2: Euro upset wait he played For the wizards when.

3280
02:31:58,840 --> 02:32:05,559
Speaker 3: This happened, I'M oh i have zero Memory Of.

3281
02:32:05,600 --> 02:32:05,959
Speaker 4: Bobby.

3282
02:32:05,959 --> 02:32:10,959
Speaker 1: Portis, yeah wow he was there for twenty. Eight games

3283
02:32:11,000 --> 02:32:14,920
he spent the half. Season there oh, my god.

3284
02:32:14,799 --> 02:32:15,399
Speaker 2: So that Was.

3285
02:32:15,440 --> 02:32:18,040
Speaker 3: The bulls it Was the bulls because of the heinrich,

3286
02:32:18,120 --> 02:32:20,840
OF it. I could i still don't know what college

3287
02:32:20,840 --> 02:32:22,399
he went to IN, the Sec.

3288
02:32:23,760 --> 02:32:29,040
Speaker 1: But bobby portis Went. To arkin, oh no he went, To.

3289
02:32:29,120 --> 02:32:31,000
YEAH arkansas i didn't EVEN know i was IN the Sec.

3290
02:32:31,479 --> 02:32:32,280
Speaker 5: From, arkansas.

3291
02:32:32,319 --> 02:32:36,879
Speaker 2: Wow unbelievable i'm really upset. Right now this is just

3292
02:32:36,959 --> 02:32:38,000
ruined my entire.

3293
02:32:37,879 --> 02:32:40,479
Speaker 4: TEAMS that i, JUST like i can't see him In

3294
02:32:40,520 --> 02:32:41,159
a Wizards Or.

3295
02:32:41,200 --> 02:32:44,319
Speaker 1: Knicks jersey those were two really good guess of players

3296
02:32:44,360 --> 02:32:46,600
to close out on the moral of.

3297
02:32:46,639 --> 02:32:47,920
Speaker 2: The story everyone Go.

3298
02:32:48,040 --> 02:32:50,120
Speaker 1: Follow andrew thank him for all the work that. He's

3299
02:32:50,159 --> 02:32:51,639
doing he's helped us out A ton this. Was great

3300
02:32:51,680 --> 02:32:53,920
we'll have to do this again because it was interesting

3301
02:32:53,959 --> 02:32:54,879
working through guess.

3302
02:32:54,639 --> 02:32:56,200
Speaker 2: Of players with. Multiple people that.

3303
02:32:56,319 --> 02:33:03,360
Speaker 3: Was. Fun, yeah YouTube so, just struggle just just to

3304
02:33:03,479 --> 02:33:04,360
watch the.

3305
02:33:04,520 --> 02:33:06,639
Speaker 4: Pained expressions that's what this is.

3306
02:33:06,639 --> 02:33:06,799
Speaker 2: All.

3307
02:33:06,799 --> 02:33:08,799
Speaker 4: About though you can't one shot kill.

3308
02:33:08,840 --> 02:33:09,680
Speaker 2: Them all. They can't.

3309
02:33:09,719 --> 02:33:11,600
Speaker 4: We can't we Can't Be tony road and. Every, time,

3310
02:33:12,079 --> 02:33:14,959
uh incredible. Incredible, debut yeah.

3311
02:33:15,399 --> 02:33:18,719
Speaker 2: That's, incredible, yeah sure that. Was amazing Thank, You.

3312
02:33:18,719 --> 02:33:21,079
Speaker 3: Andrew Thank, You dan thank you everyone, for listening. For

3313
02:33:21,120 --> 02:33:23,520
watching do all the things, rate, review subscribe tell, your

3314
02:33:23,520 --> 02:33:25,760
friends tell. Your enemies do on our discord where you

3315
02:33:25,799 --> 02:33:28,120
can get the sheets to submit guess the players if

3316
02:33:28,120 --> 02:33:30,079
you would like to make us suffer in, the future

3317
02:33:30,239 --> 02:33:32,239
or you would like us to, embarrass you as.

3318
02:33:32,040 --> 02:33:35,639
Speaker 4: The case, may be because sometimes we. Do it that's gonna.

3319
02:33:35,639 --> 02:33:35,760
Speaker 2: Do it.

3320
02:33:35,760 --> 02:33:38,239
Speaker 4: Thanks guys Shouting To Frank milking apologies care nol