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I guess we all knew from the start.
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Doug high Check and Jeff Corella Junior.
Speaker 7: What hello, Roger, Pattie, how y'all doing good?
Speaker 3: Eight? By the way, you do not look like Jeff
at all.
Speaker 7: I can't sound like you'm either.
Speaker 3: Yeah, not even a little bit.
Speaker 7: I'll try.
Speaker 3: Anyhow, Hello Antolians, and welcome to the Home of Unverified Crap.
Oh no, I'm not testing you.
Speaker 7: Yes, he look at it.
Speaker 3: Good job, all right, good job, good job.
Speaker 7: He said, I had four point eight seconds to get
that up after you said that.
Speaker 3: That's tonight. It's tonight. We have a little bit of
a different show because Jeff is on vacation. He'll be
back next Sunday. So Roger was kind enough to co
host tonight with me, and then we've got another guest
co host tonight, David Dominique. But our guests are none
other than Marie Dumont and Ray Harwood.
Speaker 7: So you want me to bring who do you want
me to be?
Speaker 3: You know, I know Roger. Roger said he was nervous,
and I'm like, why are you nervous? You do this
and squatch and all her every week. He just said
he was Oh gosh, no, you're your bigger time. But anyhow,
so Ray has a BA in archaeology and Marie is
a very well known skunk ape researcher down in Florida,
And so we're gonna kind of combine the two and
go all sorts of crazy directions.
Speaker 7: Sounds good.
Speaker 3: The topic we might even get into some God knows
what we're going to get into, especially when you bring
David into the mix. You know, you know I have
try to We'll try to keep us on track. We
might be talking about the origins of the universe by
the end of the night. But anyhow, but get ready
to hear a chilling ride tonight. I definitely would be
a strange little learning on the way. Me and Roger
gonna learn right along with you, right.
Speaker 7: Roger, Yes, sir, I'll try.
Speaker 3: It'll be a good conversation. But but you know you
don't want to dimmer lights, grab that comfy chair, kick
the dog off off your chair? Does your dog steal
your chair?
Speaker 7: I have the door shut because you know how trigger
is anytime he hears your voice, he's like he comes
right to the room.
Speaker 3: No I'm not talking here but at home, just during
normal course. Yeah, yeah, your dog steals your chair. Yeah, absolutely,
So what you're gonna want to do tonight is steal
your dog's chair. Comfy, you get a cup of coffee,
dem the lights and we'll get we'll get going here.
So let's let's bring on David first. Heyd Well, we
can't hear you David, you gotta turn your mic on
or you have crazy lights on. You might want to
dim your lights a little bit.
Speaker 5: Holy moly.
Speaker 3: So just to go, We'll just give David some privacy there, Roger.
And then okay, let's introduce Marie Dumont. Hi, Marie. Hey,
it's been a while. Wait a while.
Speaker 6: Yes, Roger, you were cracking me up backstage.
Speaker 7: It's not on purpose, I promise. I'm trying my bad.
Speaker 3: Look look, look look at Roger. He's got he's he's
literally clutching his chest. I know, Like, are you okay, Roger?
Come on? We talk? Yeah, I mean you talk almost
every day, don't we.
Speaker 7: I know that's right. But it's a little different. Well,
it's not you. It's not you, Doug. I got a
I got big shoes to feel. Jeff does such a
great job.
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, take our heads off to Jeff. We'll
be back next Sunday. You'll live through this, Roger, I
promise you. And any Marie is like probably, I guess
everybody used to be Dave Sheeley. Right now, we all
think of Dave Sheeley and Marie Dumont when we think
of Florida's councaps. Yeah, he's still I know he's he's
the og of it all. You got to get him
on our show. I haven't gotten him on Someday. We
got to get you and Davon.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that'd be awesome. But he has really crappy service.
Oh you know in the Everglades.
Speaker 3: So yeah, really know why.
Speaker 6: Standing out in the parking lot somewhere to try and
do a show. It turns out well, but I could
ask him for you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well he can always drive somewhere too. Yeah, you
know the Everglades. Everything's within a hundred miles.
Speaker 7: I did a show for McDonald's parking lot one time,
did you.
Speaker 6: I think I did at a post office once off
parking lot.
Speaker 3: Well, the funniest thing I read happens. I had a
guest on Marie and the gentleman drove off during he
was in his car doing the podcast. No, he was
in his house or a studio. Then he got in
his car, drove off and kept doing the podcast.
Speaker 6: Oh my gosh, it's crazy.
Speaker 3: I thought. Okay, only only in twenty twenty six, Yeah,
it's crazy anyhow. Okay, so then the person that's going
to join is Ray Harwood and Ray is got a
b a. In archaeology. He's brilliant on many many levels.
And he's now clean shaven Ray. I have not met
clean shaven Ray Harwood yet.
Speaker 8: That's because this summertime.
Speaker 3: Oh okay, okay, okay, anyhow, but this is Ray Harwood.
And Ray is working with Marie and they are working
on they've already they're on their second book. Now, right,
you didn't you guys do it.
Speaker 9: But we've done a bunch of stuff together on we did.
Speaker 8: We started with magazines, the Skuncate magazine. Yeah, a lot
with that.
Speaker 3: Oh cool.
Speaker 8: And she got me, you know, together with Dave Sheely
and I got yeah, yeah, yeah, you know, meet him
and do all this.
Speaker 9: And then Jave Sheely had the video that he recorded
uh in the sawgrass I.
Speaker 8: Can't remember the name.
Speaker 9: It was in the it was in the park there
in the Everglades, the two thousand film. And then Marie's
Marie and her group UH did a reconstruction of the
h of that event and of that encounter, uh and
filmed it uh and did all the you know, like
a scientific exploration of the whole thing. And UH that
was very interesting and I'm sure she'll want a deep
dive on that. And then yeah, other than this Gate magazine,
we did like I think we did like six of these,
and then Dave Sheeley had it for sale for a
while at the Skunky Headquarters, which I believe now is
the world's most the world's most popular roads side attraction
according to the World Records.
Speaker 3: That's so cool.
Speaker 8: Yeah, so that's pretty neat.
Speaker 9: And then uh, yeah, so and then we did uh
I did a book about on Amazon dot com about
the Skunk Ape and of where she was her and
David Sheeley were the focus, being from the research community.
And now I got with her and I was trying
to get something together where we did something that's Her
background was in paranormal studies for I think thirty years
or so, and then she heard vocalizations in the Everglades
and whatnot and that got her interested in Sasquatch and
now she's like huge in the community, and so I
thought it would be interesting to do.
Speaker 8: To do a book called.
Speaker 9: Like Strange Encounters type of scenario and have all her
encounters from all her paranormal research blending into her sasquatch
research and have like, you know, her take on all
these encounters and what we could do backgrounds and investigate
it and then you know, and.
Speaker 8: Do all those types of things.
Speaker 9: So I thought that'd be really interesting and then maybe
try to get that into some kind of documentary.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's cool. Take a breath, Ray, Yeah, you're making
Roger look calm.
Speaker 6: You're making Roger nervous.
Speaker 8: Come on, what did you get it all out there? Yeah?
Speaker 3: You did do it. One breath. I don't know.
Speaker 7: Well, you told him we might go off the rails.
I had to get you needed.
Speaker 9: I was talking to Dave before the show and we
were talking about linguistics and stuff, and so I was
just kind of given an example of the sasquatch last
vocalization type morehead zerru sounds all right?
Speaker 3: All right? Anyhow, Marie, So are you still like doing
the same type of research down in Florida? Yeah, same
same stuff, same old.
Speaker 6: Just we're the same old, same Well you know.
Speaker 3: What I mean? Are you are you trying anything new? Oh?
Speaker 6: I'm always trying new stuff. Yeah, I mean we have
our specifica.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, Dave, you're on.
Speaker 7: You're you're on, dude, can't you see don't you see us?
Speaker 3: You're on? If you can see yourself.
Speaker 6: You're on so that Jeff send you the pictures I
sent him.
Speaker 3: No, Jeff is gone, he's on vacation. He didn't send anything.
Speaker 6: I sent him a whole photos I wanted you to
look at.
Speaker 3: Oh no, I haven't seen anything.
Speaker 6: Oh there we go all the weavings, the weaving pictures
that we have found in the past.
Speaker 3: Sim Well, if you have like one or two emails,
maybe maybe Roger can get them up. Maybe not. I'm
not sure.
Speaker 7: All right, it's a miracle that I've got what's on here? Yeah, yeah, Marina,
she said, yeah, I know, it was a miracle.
Speaker 9: I got said anything. I said anything. My computer was
crashing out Skinwalk, Skinwalker Ranch mode everything, Yeah, wrong and whatnot.
Speaker 3: That happens, that happens anyhow. So Sore, are you still
researching with Mike Marine? Okay, So we had Mike on
the other day, and I know he's got a little
group he started with his family and stuff, which is
kind of cool. So who who are you researching with?
Just kind of give us an update of anything that's
going on and that you're finding.
Speaker 6: So, you know, I have a a small team. Now,
you know I have a team member, Bob, I have Ruby,
Joe Brew, I have Darren Williams, and I have a
new member, Darling uh Bent.
Speaker 3: Okay, So.
Speaker 6: I go out every weekend. You know, today I was
in the green swamp, you know, with the mosquitoes and everything.
So you know, I'm I'm out in the woods every
single weekend, just about yeah, and I have been for
almost seven years, so it's it's really interesting. But there
we've found some really weird stuff about six months ago,
and I really wanted you to see those.
Speaker 3: Well, you know what, over three quarters of our audience
is only audio only, I believe it or not on
all these other platforms. So if you can just tell
us about, you know, stuff you've found and kind of
somewhat describe it, it'll it'll it'll work.
Speaker 6: We had this one spot that we discovered and it
first started out where team member Bob. It was a
place that we were always kind of like, every time
I see it, it's like I feel I want to
go in there. I've been really wanting to go and
so tim member Bob wanted to hang up an orange
in the tree. Right. So I have never had good
luck with citrus, you know, gifting with citrus here in Florida,
and so he wanted to stick an orange up in
the tree. I'm like okay. So he took pair of cord,
he wrapped it like ten times, double knotted the thing.
He uses hiking stick to put it up on a branch,
probably at least eight feet high. Right, okay, what's hanging down?
So he just wanted to see what would happen, and
so we went back a couple of weeks later, the
orange with the pair of cord was taking off the ranch.
I'm tied, and then the pair of cord was coiled
up like a garden hose on the ground. And it's like, okay,
it's a little odd. That's really odd because this thing
is up like eight feet Yeah, it took a hiking
stick for us to stick for him to stick it
up there. So it's really odd that something took it down,
untied it, and coiled it up on the ground like
a garden hose.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's obviously wasn't a wasn't a group of raccoons.
Speaker 6: No, no, no.
Speaker 3: Don't you hate Okay, but here's the problem we're all facing.
We all experienced things that basically couldn't be anything else.
Rock throw correct, what you're just describing gifting. Yes, but
yet we haven't seen it do it. So the scientists go, well,
that's you know, it's b s. It's yes, doesn't even
that evidence doesn't even exist.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but you have five other things to tell you.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and until you've experienced even one, yes, how do
you you know? It's just crazy? So keep going. That
first one was crazy.
Speaker 6: Crazy thing number one. Crazy thing Number two was Bob
experienced mind speak. Two things were said to him when
he was out in the spot this area. One was
he always carries a knife on at least one of
these weapons kind of guys, you know. So something told
him and he's never experienced this before, and he didn't
tell me about it until a lot later on because
he was like in my phone crazy. So it said
to something said to him, why do you carry a knife?
And so he was like what was that, you know?
And then he answered in his head, to protect my self?
And then like thirty seconds later, it said, put the
knife in your pocket. Okay, so he did that. Nothing
else happened, but that.
Speaker 3: Did He describe this as like audio that he kind
of heard inside his head. Yes, yes, as if it's
like uh, like when you have headphones on.
Speaker 6: Yes, mm hmm, yeah, he said he just he just
heard this voice saying and it's like, yeah, like I said,
he's all about weapons, so he's never gonna question it
himself while he's carrying a knife, right, yeah, exactly, you
know that's what he does. So then we found a hair.
We found a ten and a half inch long hair
that was not too far from the gifting area. From
that were that orange bus. There was a dead tree
that fell. It wasn't on the ground. I think it
was like it was like three and a half feet
off the ground, but there was a section of it
that the bark was ripped off. It looks like something
has been going over it, right, passing over it. So
Bob decided to take a look at this bare spot.
He found this hair that was underneath the bark and
on the edge of the bark. He pulls this thing out, like, whoa,
it's ten and a half inches long.
Speaker 3: That's long? Yes, how high?
Speaker 6: Help was it three and a half feet Whereas it
looked like something was walking over the log. Now the
thing is the dead tree. If it was a human,
all you had to do was walk ten feet over
to the left. Or right, and you would have been
around the tree.
Speaker 3: Can you kind of describe the did you look at it?
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's it's very thin, wispy.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 6: Yeah. I had it analyzed by a friend of ours
in Oklahoma, Brian Terrell with red dirt cryptids. He looks
at hairs, you know, that's his like niche thing that
he's getting into. So he's a friend of ours and
I sent it to him and he immediately looked at it. No, medulla,
it's blotchy. It's reddish, oh red color, but noda, okay?
Speaker 3: Is it tabored at the end.
Speaker 6: I would imagine it was like broken. The end of
the hair was broken. It was not cut like a
human's hair, right, would have a straight edge on it, right,
but this was jagged. It was just all jagged.
Speaker 3: And well, let me put this out to everybody here
that's in the in our group. One other animal that
lives in the wild or domestic would have a hair
like that.
Speaker 6: Correct, Yeah, not here in Florida.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Well we know this. We know it's not we
know it's not alligator hair.
Speaker 6: It's not alligator hair. It's not hair, it's not but
it could very well be bigfoot skunk ape hair right
back around the lower region, like if you're stepping over
three and a half foot tall that tree, we couldn't
step over it.
Speaker 3: Well, just the just the length, Marie, is kind of important.
And now Ray here owns horses. Ray could that possibly
be part of a horse tail or maine at ten
and a half inches if it's wispy and thin.
Speaker 8: Well, horse horse hair is pretty gray.
Speaker 9: But it does get pretty long, you know, on the
on the main and on the tail. Yeah, but I
wouldn't describe it as whisky whispy. It's pretty, it's pretty out.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because when I go horseback riding, I'm often instructed
don't use the rain, just you know, grab their you know,
gently grab their hair on the back of their neck
to steer them and so on. Correct, right, So you're right.
Speaker 8: At this age, I'll do whatever it takes anyhow.
Speaker 3: But I you know, as I remember, it's quite thick
the hair, even on.
Speaker 8: The main robust.
Speaker 3: It's robust.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And Marie is describing a very wispy then yeah, dinner
diameter yep. That sounds sounds like bigfoot hair.
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 3: And that sounds like the lower part of the leg
has long hair. And part of the arm, correct the
under earth, the forearm.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and like I said, if it was a human hair,
we couldn't step on a log. But like I said,
you could just walk ten feet around the lot, right,
So what if human try to do that and then
have their hair on the tree. No, it doesn't make
any sense.
Speaker 3: No, David would, David, you would, right, Dave's muted. He don't.
Speaker 7: Oh, I didn't do it.
Speaker 3: You're muted.
Speaker 8: To hit the mute button.
Speaker 3: It's at the bottom of the the button. We're Dave's
having trouble here, I know.
Speaker 6: So then found weavings.
Speaker 3: Oh wow, okay.
Speaker 6: So found at least thirteen weavings and trees where it
was either made with long grass that was pulled all
of the ground and hung up in the tree about
five and a half six feet high, or ferns that
were broken off the ground and stuck up in trees.
Clusters of these things. Some of them are actually like
tied together with pieces of the ferns. It's craziness. I've
never seen anything like that. And the people I show
they're like, I don't even know what this is.
Speaker 7: Marie. Is that the picture you showed us? Yes? And yeah,
doug what it reminded me of back in the seventies.
My uncle he grew tobacco and before they come out
with a new style when we would take the tobacco
leaves off and you would tie them in a bundle.
It's an old style. I haven't seen that then, and
but you have to have thumbs to do that, So, yes,
it was odd.
Speaker 6: I wish I could show you the picture right of
the pictures and it's it's incredible because it's definitely tied.
Something tied it to these trees.
Speaker 3: Did you examine that, rain?
Speaker 9: I haven't seen that, but I do recall in the
seventies a bigfoot encounter that they reported it was a
Class A sighting, so you know, it was a visual sighting,
and the Sasquatch apparently had a bundle, you know, like
you know the Native Americans have medicine bundles. It was
sort of a medicine bundle, but it was made out
of leaves with some sort of I guess you call
cordage made from another plant a plant fibrous cordage from
another plant. And that was an encounter I remember someone
telling me about in the seventies. Yeah, so and like
I say that the Native American tradition of the medicine
bundle goes back, you know, far into into oral history.
Speaker 3: Very cool, very cool. I was gonna mention just before
we go on, Dave, just click out of out of
your your software and then reboot your computer and come
back on. I guarantee your audio work great. We can't
hear you, David, he's mine speaking. We can't hear you.
Speaker 7: It did just take a while to get to us.
Speaker 9: One comment I like to make on the mind speak thing.
I was never like a fan of any of that
sort of thing, but I started doing some heavy research
into the linguistics uh Ron Moorehead, Scott and Nelson, you know,
that genre of research. And when I started breaking down
the all the the the sections of the of the
video from Ron Moorehead and whatnot, and running him through
all different AI programs and things like this. And I'm
not the only one that's that's instigated that side of research,
but I did do pretty deep dive in that, and
some of the words came up as like athabascan type
UH phonemes and things like that, and the and the
uh and the timing and things of of the of
the speak was like the Athabascan area, like northwest. Uh
oh yeah, that is interesting.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's like a medicine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I can see it really good.
Speaker 8: And you know where you see that.
Speaker 6: If you go to around the street.
Speaker 9: Yeah, if you go to an Indian pow wow and
you see the white sage Bundy, they look a lot
like that as well. Anyway, I started doing the linguistics
and then I noticed that the the Sasquatch was speaking
to Ron Moore hit. When it spoke to each other,
it was real rapid like I was talking. And then
when they talked to humans and went really slow, like
when someone's to speak English to a Spanish speaker, they
go real slow. They you know, it doesn't make them
so you understand the words, but just the body language
and stuff you pick up on. But in the Ron
Warhead recordings, the Sasquatch when they're directing the verbalizations at
the humans, they do that they slow, They start talking
very slow and methodically. It's like one word sentences bam
bam bam. So the basically what I came up with
is Sasquatch is multi lingual and in hunter gather societies
where you have where you have trading uh or and
you meet other hunter gathered groups in rendezvous. You know,
in the old days they had rendezvous where all the
hunter gatherer types and trappers would get together at these
rendezvous and everyone either spoke Indian sign or you were
multi lingual or bilingual thing. And when you analyze the
Sasquatch verbal verbal as and stuff in and sounds in
the Sierra sounds, it's multi lingual, and it's almost like
he's trying to talk to the people in the camp
there and like testing it with different languages, like it
it'll speak a little bit of Athabaskan, then it goes
to some ancient language, then it comes back and there's
a couple.
Speaker 8: Of words in English, and then there's a couple.
Speaker 9: Of times when they're not speaking, and it's almost like
it's like are they trying to get use their telepathic skills?
Because when you hunt, and you're hunting without advanced weaponry,
you depend on each other in the group in a
group hunt and so you can't speak, so you use
either sign language like you know, there's a deer over there,
you know, or whatever, or you have body language like
you know whatever, you you know, like facial expressions and
h telepath telepithic, you can exude telepathic type communication. When
hunters do that for ten thousand years without without changing
there they don't go to farming, they don't go to
the walmart. They're relying on hunting. And after years and
years and decades and millennia of hunting together in these groups,
they develop really close communications that don't necessarily involve.
Speaker 8: Like traditional languages.
Speaker 9: Versus hunting of mammoth, because those sasquatch would have been
hunting mammoth, buying vaper tooth cats and things like that,
because they were around you know, in the palaeo, you know,
in the Plasta senior in the.
Speaker 8: Clovis era and stuff like that.
Speaker 9: So they were hunting big megafauna and then they they graduate,
they stayed the same while other humans went to hunting
smaller game like deer and moose and things like that
and bison. The megafauna hunters, like I think Sasquatch was,
has carried that ever since.
Speaker 8: So you have millennia of hunting.
Speaker 9: In these groups without being able to speak, so I
think that something developed along those lines.
Speaker 3: So you're one of the people that believe that they
can actually speak words and language, and or at least
it like English even for example.
Speaker 9: I'm not sure how quite deep it goes because I've
never studied teleopathy, but I have studied hunter gathered societies
a lot. And I notice, you know, if you go
watch old videos, you know, anthropological ethnographic videos of the bushmen,
like in Africa, they do some clicks here.
Speaker 8: And there, you know, tongue and whatnot.
Speaker 9: But usually when they're hunting, especially like an elephant or
something like that, there's no there's no verbal communication, but
they still communicate. A lot of that is body language,
sign language. But I think there's an element of mind communication,
but I don't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's all on verified crap, right, Marie sounded like language?
Speaker 6: Oh have I Yeah, Yes, I've heard hey. I've heard
that word being said at least three times in the swamps,
which is really weird. I've had someone else also here
down around Mayaca, which is you.
Speaker 8: Know where the photo was taken.
Speaker 6: Ye, and so somebody heard hey there. I've heard hey
three times in the green Swamp. Also heard in the
ever Blades. I heard the gibberish and it wasn't bart Ow's.
It was off in the distance on a trail that
I was, and it sounded like there were just two
people talking. It was way off. Yeah, it sounded like mandarin, right,
what they say.
Speaker 8: So Samurai chattered gray?
Speaker 3: Is that you that's got your notifications on? It keeps
dinging and dinging and ding and can you turn off notifications?
I don't know. Somebody's getting a lot of messages.
Speaker 8: I don't think it's me.
Speaker 6: I don't think it's me.
Speaker 8: I don't have anybody you, Roger, it's not me.
Speaker 3: I know it's not you.
Speaker 7: I've never heard anything other than one was mad one
time and pasting in a circle, a little mumbling, but
my son freaked out. We've had several things happened to us.
Just one piece of property and he was about to
take a dough and some started beating, either beating the
ground or a chest and he could feel it. He
was laying on the ground, and he said a thought
came into his head all of a sudden, said I'm here,
don't shoot. And that scared him worse than anything we'd experienced,
because he's like, it wasn't me.
Speaker 6: But you know, yeah, same thing, yep.
Speaker 8: Yeah, So there was auditory.
Speaker 7: Or or he said it was in his head, and
that scared him because he's a He's not like me.
I have an open mind to a lot of things
and try to test it or whatever learn about it.
He's never experienced anything too weird, like paranormal. I didn't
tell Marie, but I grew up in the house and
so I've heard things and seen things that he hasn't,
and that I think it scared him because it wasn't
somebody speaking and he heard it with his ears. It
was in his head, and it was the fact that
it said I'm here, don't shoot.
Speaker 6: So yeah, it's really interesting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I just I have never experienced anything like that.
But of certainly, you know, we have the talking at
snow Grove which sounded I don't know if it's English,
but it sounds like some kind of language. And then
of course you have all of the anecdotal evidence from
so many people, you know, including Ron moorehead of course,
of course, and he recorded it all. It's so strange.
And then the mind speak people will say, well, it
spoke perfect English, ye, And it's such a weird, you know.
And I don't want to poo poo anybody that claims
that because there was one time I heard what I
swear was mine speak many many years ago, when I
was driving in the city and I heard a man's
voice in the back seat when I thought it had
to be in the back seat because it wasn't in
the front seat, but it sounded like it went right
into my head and bullets, and I was I was
thinking to myself about how well my TV career was
working out. This is many years back in the eighties,
and I heard a voice say, somebody, you'll understand that
was it, and I I did the bull you know,
the bullet, turned around and looked at the behind me,
thinking there was some dude in my back seat. And
it was right when I was going under a little
dark bridge and in through a kind of a tunnel,
and it was just the whole thing was creepy. But
I've never had that happen since. But I will never
poo poo anybody that's had that happen because of that,
because I swear whatever happened to me was real. You know,
I'm standing by it. So anyhow, have you ever experienced
mind speaking of any type anywhere?
Speaker 8: Ray Let's see, I wasn't at Woodstock.
Speaker 3: But I'm not talking about while you're while you're smoking,
gone during I'm talking about regular life.
Speaker 8: Okay, I mean I don't think I think of I
don't know I was. I think I think I heard
a ghost once actually.
Speaker 3: But okay, well what did you hear? Go ahead and
tell it.
Speaker 9: Out here in Idaho, there's a big it's called the
Ohio Machtick Company, and it's a giant paper in it
and it's.
Speaker 8: A paper company.
Speaker 9: So it's timber, yeah, and it's massive. It goes from
north Idaho and through like Canada and along the border there.
And uh, if you go to this certain store, you
can get a little permit and they'll let you go
and do pretty much whatever you want on the timber
property there.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 8: So I was.
Speaker 9: I was deer hunting there and I was with another
guy hunting and he he did sign language.
Speaker 8: He was he was this death guy. And the day
before we got chased by this big moose.
Speaker 6: Right.
Speaker 9: Yeah, So I heard something and I thought it was
him trying to warm me about this. So it was
a river bed with with a stream coming through it.
So I I had a bow and an arrows and
I was coming around this this curve and the sound
of the wind and the and the water trickling in
the river. When they combined, it sounded just like the
Native Americans drum at a pow wow. And it got
real loud, and and then instead of two sounds, it
was one. And so I thought, of someone's over there
with a tape recorder, you know, playing like pow wow music,
you know. So I kept going around the round and
round the thing, and there was there was nobody there,
but I mean, it was really loud, and it wasn't like,
what is that sound?
Speaker 8: So I think it was like a ghost.
Speaker 3: Now, things like that tend to open our minds.
Speaker 7: I have a quick story just that goes along with
what we're talking about. So I have a friend's death.
He's he's been death since birth. He's a little older
than me, went to school with us, never heard a
human voice in his life. We did sign language, we
wrote on a pad and all. He was over here
helping me with my yard, and he was telling me
about going to an old house they were going to sell.
So he was doing the same thing there and he
walked in and that he said it was dark. He said,
there's no lights, And all of a sudden he started
doing this and I'm like, what is that? And he
put voices and I'm like, what did they say? And
he said get out and he said it was multiple
different voices, and I'm like, my mind is blown. I'm like,
hold up, Mike, how did you know there were voices?
He's like they were talking looking to me. And I'm like,
so somebody has never heard a human voice in their life? Yeah,
as mine speak, whether it's ghost or whatever. That floored me.
I just I still don't know what to think about it.
Speaker 8: When a deaf person dreams, can they hear in their dreams?
Speaker 3: I wonder?
Speaker 7: Right right, I don't know.
Speaker 6: That's really especially since he has never heard.
Speaker 3: A voice before exactly.
Speaker 8: I'm not saying he was asleep then.
Speaker 7: I was just yeah, yeah, I understand. I don't understand
totally what you're saying that. That was just no, that
was a good point that blew my mind too. Thank you, Ray,
We love you, Ray you Okay, So.
Speaker 3: All right, so let's just quickly talk about this new
idea that you guys are thinking on putting in a book.
What are you planning on covering?
Speaker 9: All right, Ray, go ahead, Well I was thinking sort
of like just what we're talking about now because of
her background in paranormal and then her you know, her
life experiences in that realm in that genre of research,
and then and then after each like she could tell
her story of you know, what she experienced when when
she was ghost hunting and whatnot, and then we could
do research on that, backing it up like background of it, okay,
and then do some research like if it was a
haunted house, we could do research on who lived in
the house and and you.
Speaker 8: Know, do do that sort of research.
Speaker 3: So it's a departure from the skunky.
Speaker 9: Yeah, we'll get to but actually getting to the skunky
because it would be her encounter, her strange encounters from
paranormal to her strange encounters with you know.
Speaker 8: The skunk skunky.
Speaker 9: Research and then just kind of just blend it all together,
but like do a deep dive on each one.
Speaker 8: So I thought that would be kind of interesting.
Speaker 3: Yeah, No, it would be. Do you do you think
there's one thing Marie that's like absolutely without a doubt
it is something they do or you've experienced that you
absolutely know what they are. And then what is the
one thing too, the second part that puts doubt in
your mind that these things are flesh and blood.
Speaker 6: I got too many questions.
Speaker 3: I'm so, what's the one, Yeah, what's the one like
piece of evidence that you've seen that you've personally experienced.
Speaker 6: Well, my car, my experience in my car with the bigfoot,
Well tell us, yeah, that was in Jacksonville two years ago,
Jacksonville floor Jennings State Forests, and that's where I found
a quarter mile trackway of footprints and they had a
fifty four inch step length between each and they were
sixteen inches long. So after I found that trackway, it
was late at night, we couldn't see too much more.
I found three prints, and we knew there were more,
but we couldn't see, you know, it's just dark. So
we go back to the campground and I'm in my
car car camping, and Ruby's and her car car camping.
But we're like our cars are like fifteen feet away
from each other. And so probably around three four in
the morning, I had shades up in my car. I'm
trying to sleep. I cannot sleep. I'm in the hatchback
of my snuber rou right, So I'm trying to sleep,
can't do it, And all of a sudden, I start
hearing boom boom boom alongside my car, walking back and forth,
back and forth, like six times alongside the driver's side
of the car, and I'm like, what is that? I
already knew what it was, but I'm trying to debunk.
That's what I do, this field researcher. I'm always trying
to debunk. Could it possibly be Ruby? Okay, Well, I
didn't hear her get out of the car. She would
not be walking that loud, and she would not be
walking that close to my car. So I'm thinking all
this stuff and I'm just listening to this thing walking
alongside my car. My car was unlocked, it could have
opened the door if it wanted to. And at the
very end, it pushed the hatchback where I was at,
and I was like, whoa, holy crap. Interesting. The thing is,
I did not hear it walk away. It made a
lot of noise making sure, I don't know, like making
sure I knew it was there. I don't know. It
was just boom boom boom, back and forth, but I
did not hear it walk away, And.
Speaker 3: So that's extremely scary.
Speaker 9: Yeah, didn't didn't, Bill Hewittt that was in your group?
Fine fingerprints on his vehicle.
Speaker 6: Yes, Simon, Yes, that was down in Lake Okeechobee, South Florida,
where the skunk apes are. He's had multiple experiences with
skunkye there. We found fingerprints on Bob's windows of his
van in O'kalla National Forest and he woke up. He
was sleeping in his van. He woke up. He looks
up and he has a light hanging from inside his
van and it's swinging back and forth, and he's like,
that's odd. Why is mine? Why is that light moving? Well,
something will come up. Something probably pushed his van or something.
And there were fingerprints, like some thing was looking in
this windows. Their tenant all his windows. My car was
next to his, not a single finger fingerprint. My door
wasn't locked. If it was a human snooping around, they
could have gotten in my car, stole by stuff.
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 6: Didn't it messed with his van because he was in it.
It wasn't me, It wasn't Ray, so it had to be.
Speaker 7: I've got a question I want to throw out to
y'all all of it. So I got laughed at because
I asked this question one time. But out in nature,
how many things possibly could bigfoot? See its reflection in
and we have a ton of car visits and van visits. Yes,
and sometimes I think it's probably what you're saying, they're
coming and observing seeing what you're doing. But if you
think about it too, some of these cars and vehicles
are so shiny. Yes, maybe they see theirselves for the
first time.
Speaker 6: I don't know that very well, because you're talking tinted windows, right,
that is going to be to be reflective.
Speaker 3: Like a mirror, especially in the evening.
Speaker 9: Right, Has anyone as a research project set a mirror
like out in a in a high density area of
encounters and then maybe.
Speaker 8: Set like some some.
Speaker 9: Some you know, foot traps or or game cameras just
to see if it would come up to the mirror.
Speaker 3: Well, I think I think it might handle the mirror.
But no, I don't know of anybody that's actually done
like a full length mirror out in the woods.
Speaker 6: I have I've heard of some people who have done that.
They put one of those full length mirrors out there.
What happened to a tree? The only thing I know
of was like a bear came along and you know,
freaked out because it's a reflection in the mirror.
Speaker 3: Stuff.
Speaker 6: But as far as bigfoot stuff, not that I know of,
you know, but it's possible, right, it's a good experiment
to do.
Speaker 7: Yeap, my wheels are turning a doug if you use
multiple multiple mirrors. Could you have a camera?
Speaker 3: Yeah, speaking of mirrors, so we were. I did my
tech breakdown last week on me like using a forty
five degree mirror and then having your camera aim at
the forty five degrees and then it collects light from
me there like the outside of the house or whatever.
So it's basically a periscope or reverse periscope. And I
did the tech breakdown, got done in mic goes He goes, well,
I had a dream once where a bigfoot came to
me and said, if you want us, if you want
to see us, use a mirror. Interesting, and I thought, well,
and he swore on it's like his kid's life that
he had that dream. And I'm like, well, it's kind
of a coincidence. And I was talking about that, and
then you brought up your dream. And so we actually
have a live camera right now that I can get
on my cell phone that's using a mirror, and the
camera's aimed at a mirror. It's actually outside but it's
the camera's not aimed at the ground or anywhere. It's
aimed at a mirror.
Speaker 6: How long have you had out there?
Speaker 3: Two days? Two days? Now it'll be out hopefully, you know,
the whole summer. What size mirror, I don't know exactly.
I told them to get a twelve by twelve and
maybe cut it in half, so twelve by six just
big enough to cover the camera's you know, field of
view doesn't matter. But you can get a twelve x
twelve mirror that the hardware store used to They used
to be about a buck. You know, remember in the
old days, people would put mirror tiles up all over
the wall, like in their base mounter, under the behind
their bar. Well they still sell those, there's not much
of a market form anymore, and they're they're kind of
giving them away. So yeah, it wouldn't hurt to have one.
You know, you can wrap the edges with tape, you know,
cut yourself and you.
Speaker 7: Know we're gonna talk dug into extra car and putting
cameras inside of it.
Speaker 3: I mean, there's so many things that could be done
that have not been tried, or that have only been
tried once. That's meaningless. You need to do it for
a long time. Multi you can never like give up
on a new idea. If the idea seems rock hard,
just keep trying it, because you.
Speaker 7: Know, one of the most dangerous things for animal if
somebody's hunting them has used their curiosity against them. So
you know, we're gathering all this information and things have happened.
I love having conversations like this because be other people
thinking about it, but I just haven't. I've never thought
about it.
Speaker 3: So oh, but it's a mirror mirror. Well it's really
cool too. Is now you can get mounts and Amazon
you can get wise cameras and they'll notify you with
AI of any activity and you could mount one. Like
if you're live in a cabin or you have a
summer home and you're having bigfoot activity occasionally or constantly
and you don't know what it is, put a camera
in the on the window, but use a mirror and
a forty five undercut, so it's getting the light from
the outside's hitting the mirror and then into the camera.
So you know, then you can't use that argument that, oh,
they're afraid of the lens, right, because they're not going
to see the lens.
Speaker 9: Well, also, we were talking about possibly a sausquatch being
multi lingual.
Speaker 8: I was doing research on that.
Speaker 3: Okay, stop for a second. How do we go from
mirrors the multi Well, I just wanted I love you,
I love you.
Speaker 9: No cameras and you're talking about mirrors. There is a
chance you could understand what you're talking about. I was
reading about dogs and some dogs can they know up
to like over one thousand English words. So if a
dog understands a thousand words, how much more would like, yeah,
you know, a sasquatch. No, So I mean it is possible,
like you're talking about, and we're gonna go put up
these mirrors and these things.
Speaker 8: It can you could hear you and maybe understand what
you're doing. Just a thought.
Speaker 3: Good. Well, you know, my biggest weird thing that ever
happened to me that just kind of made you go
is we took these little tiny cameras and we were
in the deep wilderness of a snow and we hit
them and put them all low. And we'd spent the
day camouflaging each little tiny camera with moss and you know,
using hot glue, and we decorated them and then hit
them along. I mean, nobody could. We couldn't find them again.
And so then in the middle of the you know,
it's getting towards their their witching hour, something goes and
throws a rock at one I was just looking at
the footage again yesterday throws a rock, and a camera
vibrates and throws a rock in another one, and another
one and another one, and it knew it literally was saying, fu,
I know where all of those cameras are. You're not
fooling us. And then it spoke into one of the
cameras and it had to be really close, and it
was loud, and it was clear we all heard it live,
and it said like, well, like, you know if you've
heard it, haven't you Marie?
Speaker 6: I'm not sure, Ray, have you heard this?
Speaker 3: I have it right here. I can play it and
it sounds it's short, it's not long, but it's definitely words.
Hold on here, I'll grab it and i'll play it. Roger,
you've heard it.
Speaker 7: I don't know if I have.
Speaker 3: Oh cut it out?
Speaker 7: Oh yes, I have. I forgot.
Speaker 3: How old are you? Roger?
Speaker 7: Yeah?
Speaker 3: I forgot.
Speaker 7: I was supposed to agree with everything.
Speaker 3: Okay, here we go.
Speaker 6: Well Number one here we go with that's.
Speaker 10: Right, let me put my volume up. All right, we're
laughing now, folks. So I'm just you know, playing it.
Speaker 3: And then.
Speaker 8: Sounds like he wants chocolate.
Speaker 3: Well yeah, and everybody has a new thing. Some people
say it sounds like like Ivette hears it and she
thinks it's saying, I want to saucewitch you. And then
I hear it. I hear I want to talk with you,
and then other people hear it and they hear like
Ray said about chocolate.
Speaker 7: I heard. I think flat Rockland put it in my
mind first. And then what I saw him fishing.
Speaker 3: Oh god, are you serious? No, that isn't okay. Let
me do it one more time.
Speaker 7: I saw something, Yeah, I saw something.
Speaker 3: I saw Yeah, that's when. And I don't hear that
at all.
Speaker 8: I'm still on the chocolate thing.
Speaker 3: So you get this this audio Pierdoilia and it's and
it's confusing. I'm sure you've all seen the experiment where
it's green needle and then that other saying and whatever
you're reading is what you hear, and it's kind of
it's kind of a screw up, but anyhow, but you
can imagine it's alterning white in that cabin are you know,
World's and they're listening to this stuff live and then
we hear that and it's like whoa, So.
Speaker 6: You didn't hear You're just.
Speaker 3: You're alive live. We were monitoring, we were monitoring all
the cameras live because we brought up Starlink Morgan.
Speaker 9: Well, you guys might know more about this. What I
know you do about the ghost boxes?
Speaker 3: Yeah, we tested, we had one of those. They had
wanted to do anything the ghost box.
Speaker 6: Yeah. I've had some vps out there.
Speaker 3: No, I don't think it's an e VP because of
the rocks that were just thrown at the camera. Yeah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but I've heard my name out in the swamp before.
Speaker 7: I've heard something my name that's not good.
Speaker 3: It's like like it mimicked, like mimicked you were Roger.
Speaker 7: Yeah, well I'm just I'm up here in the apple.
That's not good up here.
Speaker 6: Yeah.
Speaker 7: But it is interesting though. Uh, we know they watches
that they you know, they're around. We don't the round,
so they may hear us say things. You know, and
if you go in the area enough, it may learn
your name, or it may know your name before you
get in there. I don't know, I got pelted.
Speaker 9: But you know those those type of mushrooms that grow
kind of like a little it looks like a little
shelf that grows on the side.
Speaker 6: Of the tree, like turkey tailor.
Speaker 9: Yeah, yeah, I got pelted by one of those ones.
I mean, really really heavy duty hit me.
Speaker 8: Right in the neck.
Speaker 7: Wow.
Speaker 8: Yeah, I was on it.
Speaker 9: I was going down the like the side of a mountain,
like you know, horizontally on a trail, and and just
out of nowhere am and it was a big heavy one.
You know, you think they look like styrofoam, but they're
they're pretty heavy. And I got pelted right here. So
I tried to figure out where it came from because
I was the only one in this valley. But it
is a valley that I've heard tree knocks when I
first entered it before.
Speaker 8: But I, I mean, it hurt.
Speaker 9: So I ran back up, well, didn't really run, but
I mosied back up this hill and uh, I didn't
find any any evidence of anything, but it definitely.
Speaker 8: Was was heaved. I mean it was. It came in
on an angle. It wasn't down.
Speaker 3: Well. In that same trip, all of the guys except
me and Joe because we had we had to leave
one day early. We had to fly out early. They
all they got pilted with punny cones and they were
coming from you know, quite a distance horizontally, so they
were being thrown. Yeah, these things are weird. And then
that same trip, Oh my god. So we we went
and the pilot goes, would you mind if we flew
a hundred miles to east and picked up another two?
Got two guys that want to leave early. Pilot goes,
would you mind if Miles David you gotta get take
David offer. Yeah, he's got a lot of tech issues. David,
you gotta work out your tech issues.
Speaker 7: So that was the trip that Bud was there. Maybe
he said I saw Bud fishing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it could be.
Speaker 8: But anyhow, so we listen to the story.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, the show has gone so okay. All right,
So the pilot picked me and Jo up a daily
and then said, would you mind if we fly one
hundred miles out of the way. We got to go
pick up two guys that want to come out early.
So we went and picked them up and the floatplane landed.
The floatplane they climbed in and the first thing one
of the guys said to me, he just walks in
and he goes, what the heck slams into the side
of a cabin every night, And I go, uh, sit,
I'll tell you because we had just experienced that a
hundred you know, one hundred and some miles away at Snell,
and so that's you know, it's not that it's not
that uncommon. Well these things are you know, people think
they're really uncommon. They're not. And do you find I
don't know how much actual research you do, Ray, but Marie,
when you go different like different spots, do you often
have activity? And do you ever wonder like, why did
I have activity here? And then I went twenty miles
over here and I had activity again? Did you ever
ask yourself? Why?
Speaker 10: No?
Speaker 6: I don't always have activity? No? Okay, good, you know,
I mean, you know, I don't have bigfoot on the brain, right. So,
but I'll go to places that I'm attracted to for
some reason I pulled towards it. You know, I'll go
out there and I'll find out why. I'll usually find
some cool structures or something, and it's like, Okay, that's
why I was feeling the need for that. But I
don't always find, you know, stuff, there's not always activity.
It's it's difficult here in Florida. You know, we've got
it's hot. It's hot and buggy, so you don't want
to be out that much that long. But it's it's
it's just very difficult. So no, you don't. I don't
always have activity.
Speaker 3: When we go out, right.
Speaker 6: We filmed a few years ago, like you said, some
pine cones being thrown horizontally. This was a stick. At
first we thought it was a bone. We didn't even
know something got thrown at us until we saw the
footage and you see something flying right across the screen
looked like a bone or a stick. And so I
went back a week later trying to find what it was,
and I found this little stick and it's perfect. It
makes the exact same noise because it actually flew across
the camera. It hit a backpack and fill on the ground,
so you could hear it thump, thump, And I experimenting
with the little stick I found I did the exact
same thing and it made the exact same noise. So
I know that's what But how it's only like what
four inches? How close do you have to be to
throw a four inch stick.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a little weird.
Speaker 6: Like we had we had thermals. Nothing was picked up. No,
But the only.
Speaker 9: Thing I'd say on that is if you see like
you've seen like martial artists throw ninja stars and something
like that. So there's different if you've been hunting, like
for generations of a species, like thousands of generations, you
come up with different methodologies of putting out projectiles and whatnot.
Just you know, I've seen people I saw Native American
girl once throw a little pebble and kill a quail
at ten feet, you know, and I would never be
able to do that, So I mean it could be just.
Speaker 8: A long time of repetitive.
Speaker 9: And and you know this has passed down through generation
and generation. I've seen you know, people hunting monkeys in
South America with a blowgun that like the distance is
pretty far and it's just a little stick. So it
could be just the methodology they're using.
Speaker 3: Yeah, just a thought.
Speaker 6: Anything on the cameras. Yeah, yes, we were all we
were sitting in we were all facing a different direction,
and every single one of us had something night vision thermal, so.
Speaker 8: You would even see and if it was up in
the tree. Yeah, yeah, yeah far away.
Speaker 6: That then, no, it had to be pretty close, but
yet it flew across the camera.
Speaker 3: So well, I'm pretty sure we can all agree weird
things happen when you're doing big red researches. Just don't
know why. I can't tell you why. I'm not going
to come to any conclusion, but I do know it does.
Weird things do happen. Yes, you know, we were at
the cabin and I think it was last time that
I was there with ChRI Chris Ryan Hart and and
Bud hal Fines and Adam Colt and Joe. They saw
a little guy me. I had my back to the
window and they're like they're jaws drop and they go,
you don't even want to know what just happened to
behind your back? And I'm like, now, what happened? They go,
there were two red orbs that flew right by the window.
And you know there are no red lights up in
the deep forest, you know what I mean?
Speaker 7: So God, that seems to be a common color in
the weirdness that we've we've seen. Yeah, is the red
one or the red ones? I didn't think i'd be
talking about this stuff y'all, you know, one thirty years ago. Well,
because some of it sounds weird, but when you get
out there, like Marie, you know, you get out there, Doug,
y'all been out there and you're looking for one thing
and then these orbs show up and they're dashing around.
You're like, what and what is going on?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 6: I've had two ORB experiences down south around like mm
hmm two did.
Speaker 8: Are they always around bodies of water? No?
Speaker 6: No, not necessarily. The second one was in a swampy area,
but the first one was not. It's not at all.
Speaker 3: So they seem to be within so many feet of
water or swamp or a creek. It doesn't have to
a lot of the time it could be a body
of water you're not even aware of a little tiny
water for a white creek or a spring. But generally, yeah,
they are near you know, they're the time they're near
water within five hundred yards.
Speaker 8: You're talking about orbs or sauce squad no bigfoots. Bigfoots okay,
And as.
Speaker 3: Far as orbs go, yeah, they're often seen around water too.
I don't know.
Speaker 9: The question you've put it is like how often do
I have like experiences?
Speaker 8: Or whatever or see something. It's really rare actually for me.
Speaker 9: Yeah, I think the population densities, Uh to my west
in Washington, in Washington State, Uh, they have a pretty
good dense population I think, you know, up along the coast.
So anyway, So but where I'm at in North Idaho,
in and into Montanas where I usually am, I think
it's a it's a I think it's more sparse, but
you still see see stuff usually in the same type
of areas.
Speaker 6: Uh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems to be a geographic problem.
Speaker 9: Yeah, usually around water, like you said, or around some
kind of food, like in huckleberry season when the huckleberries
get ripe.
Speaker 8: If you go to the huckleberry.
Speaker 9: You know the berry patches, Uh, you'll you'll see prints sometimes.
And then there's one fellow out in Montana that has
a huckleberry store. So he employs the flat flat Flathead
Indians and the Blackfoot Indian tribal people too to pick
the the huckleberries because it's a wild it's not a
domesticated plant. They'll pick the berries and then bring him
to him and then he makes jelly and sells him
in his store.
Speaker 8: So he gives them extra money if they can get.
Speaker 9: Photographs of sasquatch because they're picking it at the height
of the season and they're you know, they're there all
day every day, and you know, and then they a
lot of times camp out and.
Speaker 8: They've actually he's actually have a he has a really
good collection of photographs that these.
Speaker 9: That these pickers have taken for him. Okay, other words,
in other words, yeah, when I go to areas where
you'd expect to see.
Speaker 3: Them, well, that's definitely unverified. Yeah, there we go.
Speaker 6: Yeah, verified crafts, unverified, berries.
Speaker 8: Verified.
Speaker 11: Can you guys hear me now? Yeah, yeah, you can
hear me. This is.
Speaker 8: Hi, Hi everyone.
Speaker 11: I lost two USB hubs. I had to reconfigure them
and reboot twice. It's like the episode where where Doug
liked his microphone diets crazy.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, my microphone actually exploded. I've never had
that one happen and I got zapped. I got it exploded.
Speaker 6: Wow.
Speaker 3: It should makes no sense because they're what five vaults
by point four volts. It doesn't make any sense. I
don't know. And yeah, it is a little weird sometimes.
Speaker 5: That's where that shouldn't happened.
Speaker 3: But we're happy to have you. But the last time
you came on, David, you have this huge echo like
it was delayed by like a minute. It was not
only an echo, but it was a minute delayed echo
was horrible.
Speaker 5: That's crazy. I can't explain it.
Speaker 8: But so Roger.
Speaker 3: If he has any more technical problems, give him the
damn hook.
Speaker 7: What if it.
Speaker 3: Made well, then give yourself the hook?
Speaker 7: All right, just look him.
Speaker 3: He only gets one last chance. This is it anyhow, David,
I don't you haven't missed much except except stories. We
were talking about, orbs. We've been talking about, you know,
Bigfoot's talking, whether they have language, mind speak. We've covered
We've covered geographic locations of swamp apes and so my,
my one question, do you breathe all the places in
the world. Florida is kind of the opposite of the
Pacific Northwest, you know, it's like the opposite hot and humid.
It's warm all ye're well to be described that way,
and especially in the summer. So why do you think
they're there? Even why wouldn't they migrate into Ohio or
Tennessee or somewhere more mild? But what are your thoughts?
Speaker 6: I have really no idea about that. But you know,
back when Florida. You know, Florida back in the day
was wild, you know, a thick vegetation. There weren't that
many people here. It's swamped, lots of water right swamp,
there's the wildlife and stuff. Well, now I think we're
getting more sightings because there's more development going on here.
There's people moving here there. You know, these developers are
mowing down all the habitats of all these animals, the
spellcapes and bigfoots and stuff like that, so it's harder
for them to get around. So they probably were noticeable, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, you know, do they have laws that protect
wetlands in.
Speaker 6: Florida supposed to, but it seems like the developers get
away with anything they want.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, here's okay. So I got to tell this
just quick story. I was looking at an office building
and yet I needed more parking spots. They don't want
to buy it because I needed more parking spots. And
I and I went to the city and I said,
I need to add like four more parking spots. And
it kind of we would have to put a culvert
in a ditch. Like it's a ditch, not a wetlands,
it's a ditch. You can call it a wetlands that
you want, but it's a man may ditch. And they
turned me down. I had to meet before all these
powerful people, and they turned me down. And yet I
see them mowing down wetlands by the mile and mile. Now, yes,
and it's like, how corrupt.
Speaker 6: Yes.
Speaker 3: And I even offered to buy an acre of wetlands
and preserve it in exchange for my little six foot
variants on a ditch. I mean, I did everything I
could because I really wanted this building. It was this
amazing deal and I needed the room and we needed
to move, you know, on told radio. And so my
my my thing is is I would imagine it's a
nightmare in Florida with all the wetlands and the building
and the draining and the pumping.
Speaker 6: Yes, it's terrible. It's just terrible. We got so many
people coming here. We've got an extreme drought going on,
which is why right now it's good for research because
we can get back in these swamp areas that you've
never been able to get through before, you know. So
that's the benefit as a researcher for the drought. But
it's not good and the developers get away with murder.
They're just plowing down the stuff. You know, tortoise gopher
tortoises are supposed to be protected and they just bowled
them over, just bury them. They just they just destroy everything.
They get away with it. Now was I'm a realtor, okay, so, oh,
residential realtor. You know, if you were trying to buy land,
like what you said, if you were trying to build
a house, Oh no, it has to be your house
has to be one hundred feet away from the wetland,
the line of delineation or whatever. It's bull crap because
the developers get away with their.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah, yeah ribes who it's all about the
bribe and the corruption, and it's just it irks me though,
it really does.
Speaker 6: Drawing everything.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So, David, you just got back from Florida.
Speaker 5: I did, and you.
Speaker 3: Watched the Artemis launch.
Speaker 5: I believe it was amazing.
Speaker 11: I feel my son's down to watch it with me
and it's something they'll tell their grandchildren.
Speaker 5: It was. It was great.
Speaker 6: Launches are really cool.
Speaker 3: Could you could you see the Artemis launch?
Speaker 6: Uh? Yeah, I think that's the one that was like
a month ago, right, David. I think it was like yeah,
I could see it from my house. I'm I'm in
Tampa on the west coast. Okay, you could see it
going up because it was I think it was a
night time like seven o'clock, six o'clock launch or something.
Speaker 11: Yeah, it was six pm and we were on the
A one A I think it's called. Yeah, we had
we had a a great It was really amazing.
Speaker 6: It's something to see, that's for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Okay, So the West coast of Florida is very,
very a lot of limestone, beautiful clean water that come
up in the out of all the like the wiki
Watchy River that almost uh, there's the Crystal River. I
can name one. People have never seen it. They're just
shocked because when I say crystal clear, it's crystal clear.
And it's so different than.
Speaker 6: In the Midwest. Because of course, you know, the bigfoots
and skuncakes, they need to cool off, you know, So
they're probably sitting in those springs, they're sitting in the swamps,
they're sitting in creeks and stuff like that keep cool.
They're probably covering themselves in mud to keep the mosquitoes
bugs off of them. Probably so.
Speaker 3: But my question, you do you have you ever done research.
Are one of those spring fed rivers.
Speaker 6: Been all over the place? Probably? I have not.
Speaker 8: I have not.
Speaker 3: I just wonder if around some of those areas there
would be a bigger population. I don't know. I mean
just brain diarrhea.
Speaker 6: Here, right.
Speaker 9: I think one of the reasons you asked why they
stay in that environment with a hot humidity and whatnot,
with all that hair on them and stuff. I think
they over time they've developed a symbiotic relationship with the environment.
Speaker 8: So they developed certain.
Speaker 9: Foods that they that they can expedite and favor. Right,
So I think it's like the symbiosis thing. They become
part of the environment, and so you know, they feel
comfortable in that environment and they're part of it. So
they know where to get their fish, They know to
get their alligator eggs or their swamp apples and whatnot.
They know where they're nesting, they have nesting areas, they
know the seasonal foods.
Speaker 6: And various you know, that's a great point. I saw
palmetto berries is a it seems to be a favorite
food of beers and stuff like that. But also skun capes.
They've been seen in areas where there's saw pument.
Speaker 3: I didn't even know there was such a thing where.
Speaker 6: Yes, yes, what the heck? Yeah you know what that's
used for? Right? No, saw palmetal berries for prospect.
Speaker 3: Oh really, Oh I've seen you know, I've heard about Yeah,
I saw palmetal. But that's where what you're.
Speaker 6: Using they grow them?
Speaker 3: Roger, can you buy me a bottle of the Amazon?
Speaker 7: I have a delivery?
Speaker 3: I'm joking.
Speaker 11: Oh god, thank god, Marie. I have a question for you.
I'm really wondering central Florida. Tell me about the caves
and how you think they tie in with skun cape
and the sightings, not only the sightings but like habitat Well.
Speaker 6: First of all, I'm one to believe that we have both.
We have bigfoots and skunk capes of Florida. And I
say that is because the reports are very different from
one another and the region. Right, So, anything south of
Tampa seems to be skunk capes where they're four toes
and they're shorter, they're shorter, they're skinnier four toes versus
five toes, and then are on Tampa up north on
Tampa and up north is the typical bigfoot seems to
be five toes six to nine feet tall, hairy, big
you know, so the reports are here different in the areas,
so we do I think we're dealing with two different
kinds of beings going on out there. I'm sorry, Dave,
what was the question. I've very said that.
Speaker 3: I'm messing with Rogers, Sorry, Marie.
Speaker 6: Caves. So I don't think the skun caves deal with caves, okay,
but I think the bigfoot stew and it's the coolest
place to be in Florida is in a cave where
it's at least ten degrees cooler, if more, you can
hide from people. There's water. There's usually water in a
lot of those caves, and like I said, it's cooler.
Speaker 11: A lot of people don't even they don't even realize
that there's caves in Florida. But you know, when I
found that out, it's really interesting.
Speaker 3: Well, there's so much cars. They're limestone. That makes incredible games.
Speaker 9: The photo Dave Dave Chili film and they and the
Miyaka skuncape photograph. They do they compare? Are they comparable?
I mean, do they look like the same?
Speaker 3: I think that Mayaka that's one of the the worst
things I've ever seen. It's a joke.
Speaker 8: So that's like a hoax.
Speaker 3: Well, I've I've heard it matches exactly the Ripley Believe
It Museum. There's a display that matches exact.
Speaker 9: I mean, lest Concape was at the Ripley's Museum that day.
Speaker 6: You know what the problem is with that Maaca story
for me is they talked. The lady says that, oh,
it was stealing apples off her back porch. Right, that's
the story. We don't have apples in Florida where yeahs
of apples and keeping on.
Speaker 3: Doesn't it looks like somebody took palmetto and glued it
to its lips because I don't I don't think any
animals actually eat the sa Pual meadow. Why would it
eat beatings because it's pretty much cellulose, it's non nutritious.
Speaker 9: A lot of those photos I animated to see what
the AI would do with them, and on that one
it turned real weird.
Speaker 8: You know, look like a giant.
Speaker 9: Teddy bear stuffed animal things. Yeah, but some of them,
some of them would like turn and then walk away
and it would be a bear. So it's it's kind
of interesting to animate the photo. Those famous all the
different famous it's not.
Speaker 3: A bad idea, although AI is changing so quick and
so fast.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Dave, I have a little bit of a insight
for you.
Speaker 3: Sure.
Speaker 7: Up here, up here, we have a ton of caves
like uh TKB just posted about Tennessee. That's where I'm at.
And when it gets you know, one hundred degrees during
the day nine eight percent humidity august our, our activity
goes down, way down. But we still go because you know,
you have to go, even if you don't think. But
I've confirmed it in our area that hardly anything happens.
And we have caves. There's one cave that goes under
the property that we have access to that goes under
multiple farms, probably two miles to a river, and you
can put a boat in so and there's all kinds
of different accesses to that with crevice's and you know,
we have all that limestone and all. But I have
noticed that in the past three or four years that
if we go on a very human muggy night, we
were wasting our time.
Speaker 3: Okay, Well here that leads me into two questions. One
Loretta asked, do you think they have different type of hair,
like thinner hair or less of it? And then mister
Robinson asked, do you think Bergmann's law play down there?
You know, they're the animals are smaller in the South.
Speaker 9: Yes, yes, that would work, assuming it was the same species, right,
if one's more ape like and one's more right robust,
cave man like.
Speaker 8: I don't know.
Speaker 3: Well, go ahead and answer that question, Marie if you can.
Speaker 6: Yeah, because Bourbon's law, you know, you take large animals.
The further the closer you get to the equator. There
they get smaller in size, right, because it's hotter, right,
and something you know, like in the Pacific Northwest could
not survive here in Florida because they have so much hair,
they got so much muscle. They need a lot of protein,
a lot of calories, and in Florida you're not going
to find that, so they're gonna be a little more scrawnier, skinnier.
So it's it's just really interesting how different the stories are.
Speaker 11: That's a great point, Marie. Also with time, you know,
you think about the younger Dryest twelve eight hundred years
ago when the Laurentid ice sheet melted and all of
the megafauna in North America got killed off. Basically everything
before that time was much larger, like the giant ground slows.
They had huge armadillos, they had everything was huge, and
I think after that event it came down to survival,
came down to calories, and that's why a lot of
the larger species couldn't survive and why we're left with
smaller species nowadays.
Speaker 5: What do you think about that ray?
Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, yeah, that has a lot to do with it.
I think it was over hunting too.
Speaker 9: Clovis developed the Clovis technology, which is an anlysle on
a dart, you know, a spear thrower in the Clovis point,
which is highly sharp, and they there, they their group
hunting methodologies were really highly advanced. So I think it
was like, like you said, the food, the food resources
went down, and the of course at the same time
the ice sheets melting, You're you're being you're being offered
a lot more vegetation than you were when the ice
was there.
Speaker 8: True, got that too, but.
Speaker 9: Yeah, like like like the mammoth, uh, you know, tons
and tons of vegetation a day. With the melting glaciation,
you'd get more food. So I don't know it's it.
I'm sure it plays a part, but I I personally
think the megafauna was over hunted with the competition between
Clovis Man and possibly even a big game hunters like Sasquatch.
And we were talking about before the show, the Solutrean,
the Solutarian hypothesis, which is actually Europeans coming up through
the South through Florida on an ice sheet and and
and doing like massive hunting as well.
Speaker 8: So I don't know, and.
Speaker 11: We didn't We didn't even know about the Denisovans until
like just a few years ago. So I think it
stands to reason that there might likely be yet another
unknown hominid, or probably a few unknown homids yeah, in
the world yet to be discovered, and maybe they were here.
Speaker 9: Yeah, like we were talking about before, in South America,
they're still discovering tribes that haven't been seen by like
Westerners exactly.
Speaker 6: So like Bergman's rule, going back to that, let's talk
about deer in Florida. Okay, North Florida. You're gonna have big,
you know, meal deer, whatever decent size.
Speaker 3: You go on to the.
Speaker 6: Keys and they're called key deer, and they're the size
of a dog. They're tiny, they're just a little bit
higher than your knee right, they're teeny tiny. So that's
a perfect example of.
Speaker 3: Even even Minnesota's way bigger way tills in Texas.
Speaker 5: Does right exactly.
Speaker 9: That makes sense with the food and the environment and
and the space and stuff too, because like on Catalina
Island in California, they had mastodon that were mammoths that
were that were tiny. They were like dwarf mastadonts because
they had the island effect.
Speaker 8: Mm hmm.
Speaker 9: And then they say the what what's the the small
hommeted called the shoot I can't remember what Meldrum called them, hobbit.
The hobbit like their their their environment. Uh, they're isolated
and become small or things like that.
Speaker 3: Okay, so we're had mentioned bigfoots and skunk games you
think are different. Can you kind of expound on them?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I briefly talked about it. But so they're like
the reports I said, are very different from South Florida
and North Florida and everything south of Tampa seems to
be more skunk ape related because they are. You'll find
people will find four toed prints versus five prince and
they describe them as being the skunk apes being skinnier scrawny,
less hair, they're shorter, they're like five six feet tall,
and they stink obviously, But the biggest difference is four
toes versus five toes, and they're long toes and they're
probably they're probably long because they're climbing trees.
Speaker 3: Right, Okay, okay, Well let's backtrack for a minute to
get this through. Get everybody's light bulb to go off.
You're saying, skullcapes have four toes, yes, and longer toes. Yes,
that's kind of a key point I've never heard before. Yes,
why I have never heard that? What's wrong with me?
Speaker 6: I don't know what's wrong.
Speaker 11: With So what do you think about the idea perfect.
Speaker 6: For climbing a tree? So down in the everglades, everything's water, right,
where are you going to sleep?
Speaker 3: Back?
Speaker 7: And interaction attraction in the mud also, yeah, traction.
Speaker 6: In the mud. You have to be able to climb
a tree in order to get us dry spotsy to
sleep at night unless you find a hammock, a little
island with dry land that you could sleep. But every
other animal is there too, so most likely they're probably
sleeping up in a tree. And a few years ago
I found this tree that looked like it had a
giant hammock. It was vines, thousands of vines, and it
was the least really wide about eight feet very cool,
ten feet long, eight feet wide.
Speaker 3: I've never heard any of this kind of stuff.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, I videoed it and everything, like.
Speaker 7: Doug, if you watch Squatch and Holler when Marie DeMont,
you'll see the pictures. I'm sorry, Roger.
Speaker 6: Rogers got pictures, Doug.
Speaker 3: Oh, but but I'm being honest. Somehow this is what
right over me. And what wasn't to consider it.
Speaker 7: What was interesting was she she showed the picture and
she was on the trail side, and it looked like
something had it leaned so it could escape away from
the trail. That's what I saw. And and it looked like,
like you said, thousands of vines intertwined and it didn't
look natural at all.
Speaker 6: It looked like a hammock, right, like a growing No.
Speaker 3: No, no, it's the well, what what were the vines
made out of? You know?
Speaker 6: Vines? Vines? Here one vine?
Speaker 3: These are like Tarzan, like the old Tarzan vines right,
the tars would just swing on.
Speaker 6: Yeah, they're all.
Speaker 3: I want to know what kind of vine grows thick
and tarzan swing on.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, we are in these areas. We do. We
have these thick vines and you can if you want
to try it, you can hang on them and swing around.
But not me.
Speaker 3: I mean, I've heard of like three toe drags that
are occasionally found, but I've never heard a theory that
skunk gaps have four. I've never heard that theory.
Speaker 9: Maybe maybe the maybe the big toe or the thumb
is is subdominant or something.
Speaker 3: Right, even if you ever heard that before that skull
games had four toes and big quotes said five no longer, Doug, Yeah,
I have.
Speaker 11: My question though technical problems, I will, I will, But Marie,
my question is if their toes are longer, do you
think this helps them somehow to be aquatic as well?
Speaker 3: Ah?
Speaker 6: Who could be? Could very well be thinking about the
areas they're mostly swamp swamp areas, not much unless they're
trying to cross a lake or something. But yeah, like
Roger said, digging in the mud and helps give you
traction while you're probably going through the bumps and stuff.
But definitely, I think climbing trees, they got to get
out of the water, they got to sleep somewhere.
Speaker 3: Yeah. And by the way, we need to re explain
Bergman's law. Here's why people are thinking, well, there's no
big animals. No, no, no, that's not what we mean.
If the same species lives south and that same species
lives north, the ones in the south are generally smaller.
Now we're talking it could be five pounds. You know.
We're not talking about something like, oh my god, we're
just saying, like a white tail is a great example.
They're smaller down south, bigger as you get farther north,
until you finally run out of the range. It's kind
of the same with black beards. It's the same with
a lot of animals as a general rule, you.
Speaker 9: Know, bears, not so much humans. Like if you go
to Africa and you look at the dispersion of height.
You know what I'm saying, really tall, you bangy.
Speaker 3: Referring to animals, Well, it doesn't work for you, but
it is obviously, Yes, Africa would have elephants. We don't
have it. No, I don't mean that.
Speaker 7: And the thing here in the late sixties they moved in, well,
the white tails were wiped out, and they brought in
some from you know, up in the Michigan area and
other places. I can tell the difference in them by
their the facial the skull shape. But they get the
same size here, but they're not as big as they
would be in Michigan. And it's the same the same animal.
Speaker 3: Yeah, every law has exceptions too, and so I don't
want to confuse people of law.
Speaker 11: I used I used to grow BUNSI trees, and it's
basically a big tree. But what keeps it small? As
you put it in a small pot and you never
increase the size of the pot. So maybe you know
there's I don't know, maybe it's just nature.
Speaker 3: Well, it's the whole thing is that a larger animal
can hold more heat in and survive. So is that
species propagates up north? They bigger to hold more heat,
and it's it's in their survival. That's the only reason.
Speaker 5: For it that makes sense.
Speaker 3: It's just heat heat conservation.
Speaker 9: Yes, But it is kind of interesting that that sasquatch
and bear both fit into the Bergman's law. I mean,
if if was real species, it wouldn't fit into the law.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, I hear what you're saying. In other words,
it would be bigger in Alaska.
Speaker 8: Well, if it was a mythology.
Speaker 3: It wouldn't follow law, right exactly. Yeah, it's a good argument.
Is a good argument.
Speaker 7: I learned something tonight, thank you.
Speaker 6: It's even our black bears here out in the wild,
if you're in the woods or whatever. They're skinny, Yeah, skinny.
They're not these big, you know, chunky animals unless they're
rating people's you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they don't need to be big and heavy. To
hibernate is long and survived cold and oh so so okay,
I love the toe thing's never heard that the length
of the does how much longer? To get specific, do
you think they might be Marie and put up the
unverified This is all unverified. Yeah, this is still a developed.
Speaker 6: You have a cast of a four ton French.
Speaker 3: Oh you do have one. But how much longer do
you think the toes are than all?
Speaker 6: Toes seem to be like a human, like a humans toes, right,
but skunky toes seem to be like three four inches long?
Speaker 3: Wow? That long, everybody?
Speaker 6: And like there's a story about this down on the
similar reservation around Lego Bunchobee down south where this lady's driving,
this Indian woman's driving down the road and a young
skunk ape falls out of the tree in front of
her and lands in front of her car. She had
to slam on her brakes, but she said the expression
on the skunk ape was it was like a juvenile
you know, it was like like like oops, like it
it got caught, it didn't you know, I didn't know
the branch was going to break and it fell right
in front of her car.
Speaker 11: So did she give a description of its face? Didn't
that look more human or more primate? How did she
describe it?
Speaker 6: Probably more primate, that's what the skunk caapes can be,
more primate looking than those bigfoots. Most people described them
as being having more human face, right, like kind of knows,
not the flat, you know, primate thing, but probably down
there it be more primate. It seems to be every
the behaviors. They don't seem to build structures. You don't
find the same stuff when you do research down south
and then you do here. You know, it's very hard.
You're hoping to find the footprint, but typically you're not
going to find a structure. You're not going to find
too much. You just got to be in the right
place at the right time.
Speaker 7: Marie, if there's a difference in the feet. Are there
a difference in the hands? Also, have y'all I do.
Speaker 6: I haven't heard of anyone in the hands.
Speaker 3: That's a great question. A that's really a good question.
Speaker 6: But I haven't heard anybody who has just talked about
their hands.
Speaker 7: But that's just it. That statement though, just it's I've
got questions racing. I'm trying to be quiet, but I'm
curious because we have a friend that found some hand
prints and in South Alabama, and the thumb looks like
it's further back, yeah than you know, so and and
and some friends down there say they have an overlap
sometimes where mostly bigfoot, but every now and then they
see something that's smaller with one of my friends said
it had the hair down over its eyes. It was
watching him in a tree stand and he said it
looked more skunk capish what he would think, rather than
the bigger one. So I would say, I would say
there's possibly every now and then, one may venture, you know,
into South Alabama or whatever, and.
Speaker 6: Yeah, well there's skunk caper. They seem to like the water.
They hang around the water area, so you're talking the Everglades.
They seem to be spotted around along the coast, east coast,
west coast, all the way around Florida, the Panhandle, Alabama, Mississippi, Louisiana,
where wherever they're swampy areas close to the coast, they
do seem to be found there.
Speaker 5: Do they do?
Speaker 8: They do the wood knocking too?
Speaker 6: Or just the squad we heard what not the last
time we were in the Everglades.
Speaker 3: But you don't know if they're bigfoots.
Speaker 6: I don't know. I've never seen one, but the reports
are different.
Speaker 3: They're skinny, so skotcapes are smaller, skinnier. Do they have
auburn colored hair like in Iran?
Speaker 6: Usually reddish descriptions are usually about the same. They're reddish
brown or maybe black, depending.
Speaker 3: Look, if I see a skinny little ape in the
Florida Everglades with foreign stills, I'm running.
Speaker 7: Not as fast as he can.
Speaker 3: Probably, Yeah, that.
Speaker 11: You only have to be the slowest person right the way.
Speaker 3: I was mine speaking. That was mine speaking. All you
see mine speak works. So there's a there's a gentleman
who wrote a very very intelligent can't comment about Bergmann's lawn.
I thought we should read it outlawed because our audio
listeners cannot read chat these posts, Roger, can you find
that it's from d Man? It was back a little ways.
I had it up for a second.
Speaker 11: I'm looking forward, so Steamboat, you're right. The government does
tied a lot. They do have a lot of secrets,
things that would terrify the public.
Speaker 3: Here it is.
Speaker 7: Found it the same time you do put oh, there
is read it, Roger, if you can rule is is
a u full framework for understanding size variations in relation
to climate, but it is essential to consider the exceptions
and additional factors that may influence these patternss.
Speaker 3: Right, Well, just you know, there's always that one guy
that gets to seven foot tall. You know, I have
friends that are short. I just had a friend over
here the other day. It's got to be like five
to one. I got other friends that are seven foot
So those are the the you know, the genetic differences
between us and I would imagine there's a ton of
genetic differences. Is there anybody that's like most confirmed though,
that's concapes are different? Is there like, has there been
anybody that's actually gathered all the reports, like Scott from
the mapping the Bigfoot mapping project. I wonder and if
anybody's out there. This is a great challenge to do that,
to see if they're you know, the reports are consistent
of these skunky Oh my god. All right, well, David,
for some reason besides besides your good looks.
Speaker 9: Like I like a bunch of pages of all the
B F R O and other saucequatch, and then I
have it broken down into columns for what time of
the month it was seen?
Speaker 8: Uh, where it was it? Was it residential or was
it rural? Morning? The evening night?
Speaker 6: Uh? Male?
Speaker 8: Female saucequatch?
Speaker 3: Are there more sightings in the summer or less in
the summer because of the hot weather?
Speaker 6: Less?
Speaker 9: I could just do a quick one that there still
are that there's there's some in July a road crossing,
but it was in the morning five point fifteen, so
it probably didn't get hot yet.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 9: All the summer ones seem to be at dawn or dusk,
and then the winter ones could be at any time.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, that makes sense.
Speaker 9: Even it looks like it looks like they're of course,
humans are out mostly not past nine o'clock, but the
latest I see him. I never saw anything that indicates
they're nocturnal, though, so, but people learnt out at night
that much looking, so that's why there's not as many counters.
Speaker 6: Yeah, David Chili's skunk ape sighting daytime July eighth, that's
like the time of the year, right, And it was
at eight o'clock, seven seven, eight o'clock in the evening,
which is still hot. It's still you know, full sun
and everything. That's when he's had his sighting. Yeah, July,
that's the hottest time of the year.
Speaker 9: And he could the animal where the subject could have
been honkered down in the water, and he got spooked up.
Speaker 6: Well, he had. He was originally spotted over by a
hammock area, which.
Speaker 8: Is a dry area.
Speaker 6: Yeah, he was walking along there and then he started
going through the sawgrass and David said, the heat. Before
he saw the skunk, he saw a deer running through there,
so it may have gone going. It may have been
trying to chase after the deer, And which makes sense
because when you watch the video, it's like it takes off,
it starts off walking and it just takes off running.
But if that was a human in a suit number one,
oh yeah, heat die of heat stroke in a suit,
because I did a three month research study on this
whole David Chiley sighting thing.
Speaker 3: Well, can we talk about that a little, did you
on the results of the reenactment, because wasn't that filmed
running through saw grass in the Everglas.
Speaker 6: Yes, and yes, we did two reenactments. I had two
team members try it during the wintertime when there's not
much water out there, so it wasn't in July. This
was like January, and they couldn't do it. They couldn't
do it. They were totally beat. The saw grass cuts
you up. There's holes, there's logs, there's gators, there's snakes,
there's the saw grass itself. When it dies, it creates
a bed of just dried grass and your feet get
caught up in there. And when you're out there, you're
looking for the path. A human is looking for the
path of least resistance to get through there. They're trying
to figure out where they could take the next step
back where the skun gape. He's just going, he's going straight.
He's not even looking down to see what's in front
of him, if he's going to trip and fall. No,
he's just going. Never even looks down.
Speaker 7: Would that explain, Marie? I watched that film years ago
when and I noticed that even though it's moving, it
looks erratic, but it's kind of keeping its feet off
the ground as much as possible. But I noticed its
head almost stays, Yeah, stay level.
Speaker 6: Totally level. A human head would have been doing that.
Speaker 7: It's running, because when it's jumping, it's actually calling its
body up but keeping the head in the same spot.
Speaker 6: It's like he's lighting. Right. People describe even when they
see a bigfoot running, they'll say that it just looks
like it's gliding, you know, And that's exactly what he's doing,
totally gliding. His head's not bopping it at all. He's
not even looking down. He's just going straight. And a
human in a suit would be down out there. It
was I can't I calculated it out. It was. The
feel like temperature was one hundred and nine and a
half degrees at the time that happened. The water was
at least two to two and a half feet that
he was going through, So anybody in a suit, that
water's going to drag, right.
Speaker 3: That's gonna The average depth of the water in the Everglades.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it's usually between one and a half two and
a half feet, depending on where you're at around that
area and the Cypress Creek. Uh, Cypress Preserve. Excuse me,
big Cypress, excuse me. It's usually around two two and
a half feet in the summertime. If that war, there's
sharp there's sharks, there's steam rays, there's Yeah, the sharks
come up out of the Gulf and they make their
way into the Everglades because they're chasing baitfish.
Speaker 3: Right, was that mainly bull sharks? Yeah, yeah, because the
Everglades are kind of brackish, I guess near the ocean.
Speaker 6: Yeah, but the Everglades is totally clear. It's the first
that there is. It's totally clear, and it's called the
River of Grass. They just think it's, you know, a swamp,
but it's not. It's one giant river, is what it is.
So the second re enactment we did, I brought in
a trail runner, a marathon trail runner who's.
Speaker 3: Used to and that's kind of like legimeat science.
Speaker 7: I think I saw that.
Speaker 6: So I brought out a trail runner, someone who's highly
experienced the running in dirt.
Speaker 3: And water and all that idea brought him there.
Speaker 6: He couldn't do it either, he said his feet when
he was trying to move his feet were getting caught
up in the bed of the dried dead.
Speaker 3: Yeah, because that's all like overlaid and.
Speaker 6: You're sinking in it and you're you're slowing down, and
so he had to figure out a different way to
run through it. He had to do kind of like
a kicking motion.
Speaker 7: If I'm not mistaken Marie watching that video, Uh, I
used to train football players and stuff like that and
and watch their movements for well, no, no, I'm not
I'm not not that big, but I didn't notice that. Yeah,
there you go in the video. I noticed animals use
like the mountain lion will use its tail. I've seen
it to change directions to whip the tail around and whatever.
This this thing in this video you're talking about, to
me looked like it was throwing its arms up to
have momentum going up and it would hop as it
threw its arm up, and that's just helping the motion.
And I just couldn't see a person in a suit
pulling that hall.
Speaker 3: Well, how did how did the results come about? Did
you do an overlay of the two films? And yeah,
and who was way slower?
Speaker 6: Who is way slower.
Speaker 3: Or who was quicker, the skunk gaper, your runner, the well.
Speaker 6: It's hard to tell because like I said, they got
caught up and stuff.
Speaker 3: They couldn't even do it.
Speaker 6: They couldn't do it in the winter. Fine, they couldn't
even do it.
Speaker 3: So it was it was basically the skunk gabe did
it in The runner couldn't do that period. Just couldn't
suit three runners do it, whether like.
Speaker 8: Six foot two or something like that. I mean he
was a big person. The runner.
Speaker 6: Oh, the runner, Yeah, my last runner, the trail runner.
He's about six two six three. So if he couldn't
do it, you should have.
Speaker 3: You should have phoned a runner that had four inch
toeses removed.
Speaker 7: Are you involved in the process or are you committed? Buddy,
I'll give it back to you. I do have a question.
So the reports from around the cave areas versus the
swampy areas with no caves are the size. Is there
a size difference versus where the caves are versus not?
Speaker 6: No, I don't think so, m No, not at all.
There was. We had a hurricane a couple of years ago,
Hurricane Milton, that really Tampa was supposed to get a
direct hit and we did not, thank god. But the
reports were of people were seeing bigfoots around Brooks which
is a very which is like one of the highest
points in Florida, right, so it knew a hurricane, they
knew hurricanes were coming. It wanted to get to the
highest ground. That's also where the caves are, so they
probably went down into the caves to get out of
the weather that was coming, you know. But that was
an interesting thing that there was a bunch of sightings
like the day before, a couple of days before the
hurricane was coming.
Speaker 3: So so I'm sorry, I got a really quick question.
There's no difference between a swamp eat a swamp. Did
I say beep swamp where skunk deep? Just the term Yeah,
okay answer.
Speaker 9: Do you ever find areas where it looks like they've
been feeding with seashell debris or dead snakes or dead
egg gators or gator eggs or anything like that.
Speaker 6: We find that stuff when we're out researching. But you
don't know if it was a big foot or not.
It could be anything, could be Florida panthers, could be pythons,
could be you know, bears, whatever else foxes there. So
unless you see them, or like with the orange, you know,
in context. Yeah, but like the orange, you know, it
did something specific that really made it stand out and
separate itself from a normal animal.
Speaker 3: You know why Marie used an orange, don't don't you all?
Because oranges are really rare in Florida.
Speaker 7: Yeah, they won't take oranges up here, they'll take.
Speaker 3: The app or because it's not natural. Yeah yeah, yeah,
well and that was why Marie used it, because it's
a natural.
Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, And normally we don't get good results from
using citrus. There was a report doctor Bill's Hewett who
was talking about doctor Bill hewittt. Somebody was I was
fingerprint and ca okay, so he had what was I
going to say? I just forgot, dang it, food. I
forgot what we were just.
Speaker 8: Talking about, like oranges and oh okay.
Speaker 6: So they were out in I think the Green Swamp area,
and they came across a wild grapefruit tree, and they're
like cool, that's very rare to find, but you can
in the green Swamp you can find some wild orange
trees grapefruit trees. So they're like cool. So they picked
a couple of grapefruits and they put it in their
backpack and they took it back to the camp right,
so that night, something comes through starts ransacking. They're cooler,
opening it up, stealing stuff, closing it, walking around. There
was also a bunch of crazy stuff that went on.
It stole hamburgers and it would take you know, the
hamburgers have like that piece of paper that separates them,
so it would eat hamburger drop paper, eat a hamburger
drop paper. So it left a trail of all these.
Speaker 3: Square were talking about raw.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it was eating raw hamburger. But what they noticed
was they went to grab the backpack. The next morning,
the grapefruits were gone. So something unzipped the backpack, took
the grapefruits out, and zipped the backpack back closed.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that was definitely raccoons, no joking.
Speaker 6: So obviously something saw them take their grapefruits and came
back to get them, follow them to the campground and
took them back and it unzip and reasoned.
Speaker 3: Okay, so a lot of people have experienced that. Even
Jeff Meltram had that happen to him. Yeah, he took
a bunch of oatmeal packs out of his backpack and
then zipped it back up. M uh and yeah, they
heard something rustling through their their camp and that's all
his whole meal was gone. It was scaring. Yeah, that's
kind of weird. Uh. Oh the hum. Everybody keeps asking
have you ever heard the hum? And maybe you don't
even know what the hell we're talking about. It's kind
of like you have no idea. Okay, So it's like
kind of a like hummingbird wings, Like you'll hear this
kind of a wing beat pattern, but you'll hear it
like in your ear and might itch or it sounds like,
you don't know, like a bug is just flown by you,
but no bugs are around you. Do you know what
I'm talking about?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I've experienced something like that before, but I just
kind of you blew it off, right, We're thinking there's
something wrong with me.
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, so you have heard something like.
Speaker 6: That, Yeah, but I haven't. I never thought twice about.
Speaker 3: It, which is what we're here. Let me let me
play one for you.
Speaker 6: Yeah, why is that a big thing? Oh?
Speaker 3: Hold on?
Speaker 8: Was just in my head?
Speaker 3: Hm hmm. And Carl, So we recollected and I think
we're getting close to like ninety now from different researchers
that have recorded it, but they didn't think much of
it at the time, but much of it is is.
It's even in history, which is interesting because there's even
writings about the giants and the old days they talked
with a hum and they called it the zim Zum language.
And we just keep uncovering more and David Ellis found
an article from nineteen thirty four of a woman washing
clothes down at the creek and cheers as Hammond expects
to see a homingbird. She looks up and it's a
bigfoot holding an infant. So there's historical records of this
kind of thing. And it was Tristan or Cayu that
actually he had a recording of one a tape recorder
that was put up by him and his mom is
a research project, and it was eating this food they
had left out, and there was this weird hommet almost
like overpowers of the microphone, and I went, whoa, whoa,
well that's something, I mean, that thing made that sound.
And then I ended up with Adam and Chris and
Bud we recorded like hours of it of its Snellgrove
at night, you know, like what.
Speaker 6: And it's only where there where the microphone.
Speaker 3: Is no, no, no, this there's I've talked to researchers
that they clear they couldn't even see anything, but this
hum was happening in the woods, but it was making
their earage like it was really kind of this powerful thing,
and then they felt it and then uh they Adam
and Chris and Todd just got back from a trip
where Adam's like, did you hear that talking? And then
when when they listened to the recording, it was just
the hum. And so we just got another one from
those guys. But they're all real similar. But Carl supp
has the loudest and the best one that was recorded
by at the sales ranch where they were getting VHS
recording of bigfoots, several recordings of bigfoots, and he didn't
totally was oblivious. He had no idea what was on there.
And when he's on our show, he's playing this VHS
audio and all of a sudden, there's this that hum,
and I went, whoa. He had never even took notice
of it. But it's really loud. So keep your ears
open for the hum. It may not be a ho
mean burden.
Speaker 7: And Marie, I'll tell you this from experience sometimes you'll
dismiss it because you will think it's like a motorcycle
off in the distance or some motor and I had
it happen to me, and that's actually what I thought
it was. But my son and my wife was like, no,
that's right beside you, and it's really close to the truck.
So I've heard it, and but I'm harder of hearing,
so I assumed it was something I barely could hear
way off in the distance and they're like, no, that's
right beside you. I'm like, okay, so we didn't. We
weren't recording, so I had forgotten about that till Doug
showed me some of these tapes.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm trying to think here, and people ask, well,
what other animals per well, one gorillas, do they create
that similar sound? But yeah, I mean, you know, it's
all this is all unverified, but we're looking for more
feedback from researchers, so at this point, yeah, it's a
bunch of unverified crap. There you go. Thanks Roger, You're
right on cue. But it's something to watch for. But
Matt Langford just got back from a thing where he
played the hum Because I'm hoping people will go out
in the field and play it, and I'm going to
provide him a longer recording. I'm happy to give you
one more if you want to try it somewhere. But
he had action tonight, literally tonight, using it cool. Yeah,
I hate to say that word action, but you know
what I mean. Activity he got hit with. I think
you know that futuresine smell. Have you smelt that before, Maria.
Speaker 6: I've only smelt something once and that was in the
O'calla National Forest. We were investigating a hidden lake area
that was given this guy the creeps, so he wanted
us to go out there, and it definitely was one
of the strangest places I've been to because you could
hear stuff around us, like moving or falling or whatever,
and there was nothing going on, but it was just
continuously stuff happening around us. So we found some prince
so we were casting them, so Me, Bob and Ruby.
It's right by a lake, so somebody left a kayak
out there and canoe, so we're just sitting on top
of the kayak. We're waiting for the cast, you know,
the plaster to dry, right, and so actually I think
it was Ruby, Bob and I Ruby smelled it first,
and then Noah's me. It was Ruby, me and Bob.
So she smelt it, and then a few seconds later
I smelt it. Bob never smelt it, but it just
seemed like it went past us. We've been sitting there
for forty five minutes. There was no kind of stinky
smell at all, and all of a sudden, she catches
a whiff of it. I do smell like something dead,
is what it smelt like. And then it was just gone.
It was just there for like three seconds, five seconds tops.
So if there's something dead, you're gonna smell dead right
the whole time. You're not just going to get a
little whiff of something dead going walking past you or
you know, being near you. So that was really a
strange thing that we experience. That's the long time I've
really smelled anything out there exactly.
Speaker 3: Well, I'm glad you've releast smelled it. I've smelled it
quite a few times. My first encounter was mainly with
a stink and then a chest beating. Wow, have you
ever smelled anything ry?
Speaker 10: Yeah.
Speaker 9: As a matter of fact, my nephew and I were
hiking in an area not too far from where I live,
and there was a ravine with a creek going down,
and then there was deciduous trees with you know, the
leaves starting to fall. Yeah, and there was this really
sweet kind of.
Speaker 3: By the way, right, thanks for adding the word deciduous
for everybody.
Speaker 9: Oh well, you know it wasn't. Mostly it's pine trees
out here, you know that.
Speaker 3: Oh, I know, I'm just giving you crap.
Speaker 9: Anyway, crap, this is the home of crap pines.
Speaker 8: And then in the in down by the creek, it
was like, you.
Speaker 9: Know, willows and deciduous, like maple and stuff. I thought
the smell was because we went from pine into deciduous
and there was some kind of smell fallen or something,
and it was really kind of sweet.
Speaker 8: But it was everywhere in the dirt, everywhere, and it.
Speaker 9: Started getting into our clothes. And I heard something in
the in the creek bottom and I remember sip from
finding Bigfoot in your shows and stuff about the smell.
So I thought, you know, we probably better exit stage
left out of this place. So we left. And the
smell was so bad that my nephew's mom.
Speaker 8: Threw away his clothes.
Speaker 9: What yeah, I'm not kidding, and it was so so strong.
And then I had I had a like a baseball hat,
so I put it in a premetically sealed it so
I could keep the smell. And then when when I
went out looking in an area that had a fairly
a lot of you know, I looked at BFRO and
they had a lot of sightings recorded for that area
and whatnot, and it was an area with with berries
and stuff. So I took the I finally broke the
seal on the fremetically sealed hat and gave it to
my dogs to smell, and then you know, send them
out on the scent. And sure enough they found a
structure structure and it apparently had the same scent as
the hat.
Speaker 3: Was it a sickly sweet smell or just pleasant?
Speaker 9: No, it wasn't pleasant, but it wasn't I describe it
as like sweet, but not in a pleasant way.
Speaker 8: But but it.
Speaker 9: Was like a like At first, I didn't think anything
of it because it was you know, you know, all
the different plants and stuff.
Speaker 8: You thought. But it was then I started noticing it
was in the soil.
Speaker 9: You know, when a dog kicks after it goes we
it kicked the grass up.
Speaker 8: Well, what it's doing is spreading its scent, you know.
And if these big foot's got big sweat.
Speaker 9: Big scent glands, they could they could unleash shavoc on
your nose.
Speaker 7: Yeah, that's my fault. I'm sorry.
Speaker 9: It was gruesome enough where his mom threw away the clothes,
but there was enough of the set left over with
the dogs actually found a structure which I got I
got a video of them actually doing.
Speaker 11: What kind of structure and how big was it? Was
it something that something could crawl into?
Speaker 8: Or oh yeah, yeah, it was pretty big. In fact,
it was. There's several kinds of structures that I've seen.
Speaker 9: One is the branches leaned up against a tree, and
it's like the teepee post, the center post, and then
the other branches are set against it.
Speaker 8: And then there's another kind.
Speaker 9: That's that's a brush structure that's like a wiki up,
like a Native American wikiup, where the sticks are stacked
against each other.
Speaker 8: And then there's actually a third time, which is a
that's just brush stacked up with a hole in it.
Speaker 9: And this this was like the wiki up style, branches
stuck stacked up against each other.
Speaker 7: Sorry to do that said something, And.
Speaker 3: Where are we? Where are we? Acting slap happy? Turned
into a twelve year old all of a sudden.
Speaker 9: Oh but I did actually find a big foot turd
that way too.
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, it's just this was in.
Speaker 3: Roger.
Speaker 9: This is this is ung verified crap, but it was
really crap, verified crap, but it was unverified. But the
thing is is I it was actually the only time
I ever found a trackway and it was and it
was in Yosemite Valley, in one of the side canyons
in Yosemite Valley called I think a lookout pass.
Speaker 8: Or something like that.
Speaker 9: Anyway, I went down to the stream and there was
one of those Native American grinding wall rocks where they
put the mortar and pescos in, and.
Speaker 8: I was looking at the.
Speaker 9: Mortar and pesco and looked down off the rock and
there was two big foot prints like this, And underneath
the two big footprints, right where the heels are, was
a turd.
Speaker 6: Wow.
Speaker 9: So I would say that was pretty verified, as in
a turd in context with prints where dropped.
Speaker 3: How do you spell it?
Speaker 8: I didn't hear the grunt, but.
Speaker 3: Great do you spell it t u r D or
t e r.
Speaker 6: D whatever your okay?
Speaker 8: So you did do.
Speaker 6: With the turd, That's why I want to know.
Speaker 7: Yeah, I was waiting at tempted to bag it up.
Speaker 9: But it was the first time I'd ever seen any
sasquatch evidence in my life. I never seen anything. This
was like in the nineties or eighties anyway, a long
time ago, but anyway, it was like the footprints were
like going down a dry stream bed that had granitic sand,
you know, the sand coming out, and then uh, next
to that were granite boulders that had the Indian grinding
stones in it. And then someone had taken one of
the pestles and put it in the hole in the mortar,
and I thought that's strange. So I went up and looked,
and someone had been grinding something in it.
Speaker 8: And then I looked down.
Speaker 9: From there and I'd seen your show and finding bigfoots,
so I thought, no, wait, these look like bigfootprints. And
then right where the two prints were, right underneath it.
Speaker 3: Turn now that's.
Speaker 9: Where he took his business man, right there, and his
footprints were there. The only thing is is I really
didn't know much about it, but and and phones didn't
have cameras on him back then. So I went it
back later with a video camera and videoed it, and
I tried to make a cast, but I didn't know
you used plaster, so I used cement, and so the
substrate was damp. Because the substrate was damp, that they
footprints eroding or they'd be worth us.
Speaker 8: I could be selling the copies of those.
Speaker 5: That's awesome, that's awesome things.
Speaker 9: But I mean it was you could see the whole
track week going into the brush, and then you could
see it coming around the grinding rock and right where
he he almost like went behind the rock to do
his business, like he was shy about, you know, loafing
out or whatever.
Speaker 7: So so he he definitely stopped. He just didn't keep
walking into it.
Speaker 9: No, it wasn't a walking, one stop, walking, squat and
d scenario.
Speaker 11: And my question is did that give you any kind
of indication of it it's diet.
Speaker 8: Yeah, actually it really did. Come to think of it.
Speaker 9: You know how when you see a bear at certain
times of the year, they'll have all those seeds from
berries in it.
Speaker 8: It had the same type of seeds from berries.
Speaker 9: And it also had like when you see a coyotes cat,
it has the hair shape like the turd, right and
so it had it had hair like like like you
would see in a coyote turd, but it also had
the berries like you'd seeing a bear turd.
Speaker 8: And it was dark like it had consumed like blood meal.
Speaker 3: What in what shape was it like? Human shape?
Speaker 8: There were logs, but.
Speaker 3: Logs bears.
Speaker 9: They were kind of fattish logs but short log like,
but no, they weren't the same area did have bearscat,
but this was different, and the princes were definitely there
was bear prints there too in that area because it's Yosemite.
Speaker 3: Well, but there is one time of year that bears
will like black bears will prey on like fawns in
the spring, right right, But other than that, they're pretty
much just you know, bugs.
Speaker 9: And well, if I wouldn't have found it in context
with the prince, because I didn't even think bigfoot existed
until I saw those prints, I would have thought they
were bear prints. But there was no nails. They were bigger,
they were wider.
Speaker 8: They were longer. I mean, I'd seen your Guys.
Speaker 9: Shows, so I thought, wow, that's just like those shows,
because I before that, I just thought it thought it
was like.
Speaker 8: The Native American mythology.
Speaker 9: And then I saw the prince and, like Daniel Perez says,
mythology doesn't leave footprints. Mythical beasts don't leave footprints. And
so that's when I thought, oh, my gosh, you know,
it's like the bub gimlin uh moment.
Speaker 3: Oh, they do.
Speaker 8: Exist, you know, Yeah, But I didn't. I didn't.
Speaker 9: I'm aside from the TV shows, I didn't know anybody
was actually, you know, actually active looking for these.
Speaker 3: But after that, so we have to backtrack just for
a second. How did you cement casting workout for you? Right?
Speaker 9: Not well, because that was Plaster will actually dry in
a wet in a damp environment.
Speaker 8: But cement won't, at least not the cement I had.
Speaker 9: Oh, So I sat and wait, didn't wait it for
it to dry, and it just wouldn't. I went to
a place called View Lodge that's outside of Yosemite, and
I went in and they had a barn where they
had like shovels and stuff, and I thought, there's got
to be something here to cast it with. So I
stole their bag a cement. So that's basically how I
got that. But I figured it worked the same as plaster,
but it didn't.
Speaker 8: It didn't work at all.
Speaker 9: I wish it would have because you know, well, thank you.
Speaker 3: Thank you Rave for all that, because all my stomach hurts.
Roger still hasn't gathered any composure, have you, Roger? Are
you composed? Well?
Speaker 7: I was all right until you started laughing, and I'm.
Speaker 3: Sorry, Oh my god, I just I don't know. Sometimes
that just happens.
Speaker 7: Yeah, it wasn't really eating, he said, no, no, no, no,
it wasn't.
Speaker 3: We just turned into twelve year olds.
Speaker 8: Oh it's okay. My brain hasn't advanced.
Speaker 9: I look in the mirror and that old man because
I still think I'm.
Speaker 8: Like twelve or thirteen.
Speaker 7: Yeah, up here, I understand that.
Speaker 3: Okay, So David, why don't you ask some intelligent questions
since it seemed to be twelve years old?
Speaker 11: Oh my gosh, yeah, getting even for me throwing you
under the bus earlier.
Speaker 12: Yeah yeah, So Ray, in terms of America's prehistory, could
you discuss your theories of species that may have existed
or could have existed, or even still exist, like.
Speaker 5: In terms of.
Speaker 11: Hominids that might have gone feral and they might be
living in the woods in America. What are your thoughts
on that? What's the possibility of that hack actually occurring.
Speaker 3: I just keep your answer under an.
Speaker 9: Okay reader's digest reader's digest virgin version. Okay, so my
my hypothesis is is that there's there's a Neolithic, which
is New Stone Age, very advanced looking stone tools like
bows and arrows, you know, throwing sticks out of little
darts with finally finally made project doll points.
Speaker 8: Okay, that's Neolithic. That was Clovis early Native Americans, big
game hunters.
Speaker 9: But then there was another group that was Paleolithic, which
means very what we consider crude hand as bulky, you know,
bulbous type, not as modified stone tools.
Speaker 8: But they're both.
Speaker 9: These groups were big game hunters, the big game lifestyle.
They're mobile, they don't own things, they're constantly following game.
But they meet up in trade. And this is where
the Native American oral tradition comes in, where they say
they used to trade with Sasquatch. That is a Neolithic group,
the Native American, the New Stone Age, the highly developed
Stone Age, trading with a Paleolithic culture, which is this
now we call Sasquatch. And like we discussed before, I
think what happened is the Sasquatch like people came up
from Europe through what they call the Solutrean hypothesis, which
means they came up from the Atlantic and went north,
while the Clovis people or the human Native Americans came
down from the north from Beringia down the land Bridge
down through Alaska down along the coast of ice free
zones during the Paleolithic or during the you know the icy.
Speaker 5: Way, right.
Speaker 9: So I think there was there's probably more than like
you were saying before, more than two migrations. But I
think the Paleolithic migration came up this way. The Neolithic
came down this way into the New World, and they
hunted all this big game in the ice free zones
and even on the ice and I think that they
both still exist.
Speaker 8: And I think that it's like.
Speaker 9: South America where you're always coming up upon these tribes, right,
they just discovered Western civilization.
Speaker 8: Just describe it.
Speaker 9: And what I think about the Sasquatch and why they're
very robust and they have thick hair. And we were
talking about before the show, the Mongolian mutation thirty thousand
years ago which created modern Asians. You've got thicker black hair,
you've got a very different facial structure. Instead of our
big long face, we got a a less pronounced face,
and that was the Mongolian mutation thirty thousand years ago. Well,
I think there was another mutation that was perfectly adapted
to the ice age. Robust body, anatomy, thick really thick,
nice hair for the cold, huge jaw, and a saginal
crest for giant muscles in the jaw.
Speaker 8: But most of these things are in our genetics. It's
just there.
Speaker 9: They're recessive, and with the sasquatch, they're the same genetics,
but they're dominant. So you got dominant genetics and recessive genes.
Dominant genes, recessive genes. When it was cold and they
had the megafauna, the mammoth, the giant sloths and stuff,
we also had giant humans in my opinion, that had
these dominant traits with us here today we have the
subdominant traits.
Speaker 8: You know, we're.
Speaker 9: Smaller, we got lighter hair, we got less hair, we
got longer legs, shorter arms. But the adaptive strategy that
nature chose through this mutation, which is it's not a
complete mutation, it's the pulling out of dominant traits for
for the environment, and that's a second Mongoloid, a second Mongolian,
A second Mongolian.
Speaker 8: What were we talking about before.
Speaker 9: A second mongol A second Mongolian mutation that led to
a spontaneous evolution, and that it was an adaptation to
those cold environments. And that's why, and it's partly to
do with Bergman's law. Uh, these people, these people grew robust,
you know, like you think a big Neanderthal buff guy.
Speaker 8: Uh, you know versus the pee wee Herman guy. And
this is unverified crap. I gotta tell you.
Speaker 9: The thing about it is is that I thought both
both these groups still exist.
Speaker 8: Like the Native American.
Speaker 9: Would come from Rogers, you think that the fos squatch
would come from the Paleolithic, from the what they call
the solutory and hypothesis. And if you look at the
stone tools, uh from the Solutorian era in France, Uh,
they match here too. So the the Europeans definitely migrated here,
maybe even before the Native Americans.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I think everyone was here, to be honest with you,
in our prehistory. But you know, I've looked at some
of the artifacts you've collected, and I have to say
they are compelling.
Speaker 5: You know in.
Speaker 11: Terms of the Julius, Yeah, do you think that what
do you think that some catastrophe had happened where they
somehow lost their their civilization, their culture, their language, because obviously,
you know you had like you have Neanderthals and then
you have Denisovans. In their brain cases were larger than ours.
They were intelligent. If you look in Denisova Cave, the
green bracelet found there definitely shows that they hadzation. Do
you think that they lost their civilization and maybe even
lost the ability to make fire, even lost the ability
even lost their language.
Speaker 5: What's your opinion?
Speaker 8: Personally?
Speaker 9: What I think on that same topic is that Sasquatch
is the same now as they were ten thousand years ago.
They've retained all the same hunting technologies, the same mobile
lifestyle where they follow the fruit sources and they don't
have any desire. And I talked to Thomas Swett about that.
Who's the Native American from Vancouver Island. He says, it's
pretty much the same thing. These are hunter gatherers society.
They the Native Americans split and they got you know,
they with the arrival of the European horse, they got
the great planes culture and then you have the Sasquatch.
You retained the paleolithic lifestyle and he's still a hunter
gather and he's and he's still good at hiding because
he had to develop.
Speaker 8: Those those traits to hide from.
Speaker 9: Megafauna and hunt them like the sabertooth cat and whatnot
and the dire wolf. And they're using that same mentality
to hide from us, which would be you know, well
learned over thousands of years. And when you go to
in the military, if you're going to be a sniper
or something, you loud, you learn those traits. Once you
go to sniper school, you have to to pass. You
have to sneak up to professional you know, viewers within
a few feet to just graduate. Even so if they
can do it in a they can learn that technology
in a couple of months to sneak up on someone
like that, how about thousands of years. So I think
they're still there and they're still living the same lifestyle and.
Speaker 8: Yeah, and they've had and.
Speaker 9: They've developed a multi language adaptations. That's that's my perspective
of it.
Speaker 5: Interesting, Thank you.
Speaker 3: What what are what are the main natives that live
in Florida, Marie, do you know Seminole Indians, Indians. Have
you ever ran into any Seminole people? Then asked him
about the skuntcapers and.
Speaker 6: Response, A lot of the time they don't want to
talk about it because it's taboo, right, taboo. But I
have heard stories before. So Betty Alciola, she's you know,
she's Mikasuki. She's an activist for water for the Everglades,
water and the wildlife and everything. And I didn't know
she ever had a skunkke story, but she did. She
had a skunk cape encounter where she was out in
the Everglades and in this area where there's nothing but
these palmetto palms everywhere. And so what the Seminoles of
Makasuki do is they cut the p the palmetto frogs
off and they make they use it for their roofs
of their cheeky huts, right, So that's what they use.
And so here she's chopping these, you know, palm frogs,
and there's a skunkke right on the other side of
the one she's chopping. Wow, So she just stopped and
she's looking at it, and it looked at her, and
then it just walked away.
Speaker 9: They call it stap khaki or something like that, something
like that, mity kap khaki.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I can't. I don't know how to pronounce it.
Speaker 8: I wonder what that means.
Speaker 6: It means tall, hairy, giant.
Speaker 3: Coincidence, right, Yeah, it's just coincidence, unverified coincidence.
Speaker 6: Yeah, And the Seminoles, there's been some of the Seminole elders,
the medicine people and medicinemen that have seen They have
a reservation that's around the Green Swamp also, and it's
a beautiful sub beautiful reservation, beautiful houses and stuff. And
so when they were building it, it's right on the
edge of the green swamp. They're driving around in their
little golf carts to watch, you know, to look at
the construction progress and stuff. And they had a tree
come flying out and land right in front of their
golf carts out of the woods of the swamp. What
does that? What throws a tree at you? So there
are stories, they do have stories, but you have to really,
they have to really trust you. Yeah, yeah, because they
they're very taboo. They don't talk, they don't want to
talk about it. They see it as super being superstitious.
They're very superstitious people. And they think it's bad luck
to talk about them, right, so they normally won't, but
once you get to know them, then they'll start opening up.
Speaker 3: Because any of them just clearly stated that this creature
is part of their oral history.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, yeah, I definitely is the oral history. It
goes back forever. They always talk about them Thanksgiving two
years ago. The natives and a lot of spiritual people,
but the na natives especially, like when they're making a meal,
they'll make a plate, an extra plate, and they'll put
it out in the woods right for the for the
forest people, for the spirits, for the animals or whatever.
So just think of Thanksgiving on their reservation. All these
natives are putting their lift over Thanksgiving dinner and stuff
out behind their house. So as Seminole that I know,
he went outside to go around the back to get
a shovel because he needed it for the next day,
and he spooked a bigfoot. He was eating the plate
of food that was behind their house, and he spooked
and scared him and it took off running. But you know,
they do have their stories.
Speaker 3: Speaking of native stories, we're talking about the home. I
forgot to mention, so we had natives that had mentioned
that they would hear the hum and then they would
put food out they knew they were coming, really, they
would put food out. Yeah, I'm like, well he was that.
We had a guest on Marie that he was a
kid and he would hear this hum and then he
always knew that this bigfoot would come to his window
at night and look in and his dog never reacted bad,
like his dog just was totally at peace, and this
thing would just look through his window and it would
happen night after night, and his parents thought he was crazy,
you know, they didn't believe him. And he would hear
always a hum before this thing would approach.
Speaker 13: Yeah, you did if it was a juvenile or a
younger one that looked like a female that was looking
through his window and had feminine characteristics in its face.
Speaker 3: So I've just asked. Such an interesting story we had
them on. It was like, I can't remember how long ago.
It was probably about only six episodes back, so you
can check for that. It's an amazing story. Yeah, I
don't know. I don't know where all you guys are
at with time. It's nine. We should probably wrap it up,
unless you guys have things you want to talk about
And Marie, do you want to tell us where people
can get a hold of you or view your research.
Speaker 6: Sure. I'm the founder and lead investigator on the Mid
Florida Bigfoot Research Group. I have over twelve thousand people
in my group. Wow, and probably sixty seventy percent of
that are all Floridians. And that's what I wanted. I
wanted a group of Florida researchers because I want to
see what everybody's finding, and I want to tell everybody
what I'm finding, you know, because people don't think we
have bigfoots in Florida even nowadays. They still just think
and they're in the Pacific Northwest and that's it, and
they think Florida is just a giant beach with Disney World.
You know. It's like, no, we do have forests. Fifty
of our state is covered in forests, so we do
have plenty of places for them to hide.
Speaker 3: Oh god, yes, yeah, and so much your forest is
like so thick you can't even get through it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it is. But so Mid Florida Bigfoot Research Group
on Facebook, on Instagram, and I have a YouTube channel
and I have a website, Mid Florida mid Florida Bigfoot
dot Com.
Speaker 3: I heard my first woodknock in Florida. What in swamp?
I was with Matt Moneymaker, Oh, North Florida. Yeah, it
was the Penicola area and that's where I heard my
first clear would not get three in the morning. Yeah,
in response to one that we had made. You know,
Matt's got that little stick thing he's got and it
kind of echoes.
Speaker 6: Yeh.
Speaker 3: He had that with him and he banged it and
we got a response from quite a ways away, but
it was loud and ever sound. It was my first
wood knock ever heard.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I was camping. I was with team member Bob.
We were camping in this little tiny campground in the
green swamp. Set out some recorders and sure enough there
were nine recordings and you could hear something walking through.
The first couple kind of sounds like a deer, like
something goes up to the recorder and sniffs it, you know.
But there were a couple of recordings that it sounded
more bipedal, something thing walking through. We heard wood knocks.
We captured wood knocks on the recorder and we had
another orange sitting on a log behind our tent and
it was taken and we couldn't find any remnants of
the orange, like maybe a raccoon took it and you know,
went off from the bushes and tore it apart. No, gone,
but it was another orange. I was on a log.
But recordings are cool. They're extremely clear and loud. You know,
it's not like you have to stream to hear them.
So it turned out really good. But that clear knock bam,
you know, right near where the recorder was.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and by the way, Maria, would you write Jeff
a nasty letter and yell at them we're not giving
me your pictures?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I know, dang it, I'm gonna Yeah, there's some
good pictures there. I wanted to show you all those
weavings and the grass.
Speaker 3: Well, we'll just have to have you back and we'll
do that and we'll have the whole slide show and
you will give me the show all to yourself, and
we'll just look at all your cool evidence.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, but I apologize structures and yeah, all kinds
of the standing square structures.
Speaker 3: Yeah. So do you find those structures near trails like
by footpaths or like deer trails which one stand any
kind of structures in Florida. I often find them here
in Minnesota buy deer trails.
Speaker 6: Well, the weavings, those thirteen weavings, there's also I've never
seen so many deer rubs before in that area. Also,
they're like very they're close to them, and I felt
So there's thirteen weavings so far, we found eighteen rubs
deer rubs. That's a lot. And we're only talking like
a quarter of a mile, you know, not that big
of an area. But it does create a path. I
GPS I marked every single one of those weavings to
see if there was a trail, and sure enough it did.
But right next to all those our deer rubs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that makes sense. I mean, those those things must
have some purpose. I always think they're like blinds or
deer blinds.
Speaker 6: I remember, this is an area that's typically underwater. Oh right,
because it's a dried up swamp. Oh it's full of water.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so they I mean, this is our current structures
that they just put up.
Speaker 6: Then, yes, we started finding them and uh October.
Speaker 3: That's interesting. I want to ask question from Kyue says,
does Marie thinks swamp apes live underground in caverns or
in the water.
Speaker 6: Well, David Chili believes that they do. I don't. I
think they're up in trees, okay, which could be, you know,
but gators also make holes. There's gator holes right at
the water line, whole caves that they'll go into. So
it could be a perfect place if it's a big
enough area, oh, that they can easily get in there.
They could be in the shade, they could be in
the cool water, and they can just still sit there
and you know, just cool off and watch what's going on.
So David Chili believes that he thinks that that's what
they do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, well, we don't know.
Speaker 6: We don't know.
Speaker 3: We don't know what. We don't even know. Roger doesn't
know what. We don't know. I don't know what we
don't know. David doesn't know, we don't know. And definitely
Ray doesn't know anything about cement plaster. He does now,
Yeah right, I'm joking. Thank you so much, Ray, You're
always you always have really interesting observations.
Speaker 8: I'm definitely putting out some chocolate after hearing your.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good idea. Oh my god, I'll send
you that recording. Ray.
Speaker 8: That's pretty cool.
Speaker 3: I'll send it to you and then you can you
can see if you can change it in your mind down. Yeah,
David Ellis has done a ton of work on it,
and it gets more and more interesting because he and
almost sounds like there's two things talking too, creatures. Really Yeah,
when you slow it down, you know, they talk so
quick and they can do amazing you know, high frequency,
low frequency, so quick and yeah, and he's kind of
thinking that's two of them.
Speaker 9: Because Jeff Meldrum said I talked to him at the
Yakama thing and he said he thought they might have
two voice boxes.
Speaker 3: Oh my god. Okay, speaking of that, I interviewed a
CEO of a very large, largest guys, a large corporation.
I'm not going to tell you what what corporation it was,
but we put a level or mic on you. I mean,
it's going to answer Mike and interviewing him, and I
got my headphones on and I'm freaking out because everything
would say something, you would answer my question. You can
hear this little voice like inside them talking what And
when my camera guy looks at me and he's like
what you know, He's like, what the hole's going on?
You know? And this guy is like it was really
hard to get an interview with him. You know, he's
kind of like a somebody would think that would never
grant you an interview, but he did. And I was
doing some security work for their corporation and Eddie. Long
story short, it freaked us out. And you could it
recorded it this little voice talking. What was it saying,
I don't want doctor. It was creepy, like a little
voice like you would pick up like he would answer,
and then this little voice would be telling him things,
but his mouth wasn't moving when that other voice was talking.
And sometimes they would talk at the same time. It
was really unnerving to have headphones on and try to
keep a straight face and interview this guy. Yeah something
I've ever told that story, But the guy that I
was with you remembers that because me and him have
talked about it. It's like I remember that little voice
and that guy and we're like, yeah, it was weird.
Speaker 6: I've captured We've captured things like that on a record
where I'm talking and then you hear EVP. Like we
were walking down this path in the Everglades and for
some reason I kind of zoned out and I couldn't
think of the word deer call. Yeah, and so I
was like, evp here, dear call, and then I say,
deer call. It's so weird, but it's all recorded that way.
It's so bizarre. But that happened.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, maybe that guy that I interviewed just had
two voice boxes, or maybe it's some kind of little
something inside them. You know what that was a plankton
seen plankton. Yeah, maybe you had a little plankton inside
of them. I don't know, and knows. I don't know.
So any last words, Roger Dave No.
Speaker 7: I just nice to meet everybody. I appreciate you how
asking me to come home and very everybody did great.
I learned a lot tonight.
Speaker 3: Thank you you guys as well.
Speaker 11: It's it just goes like that.
Speaker 3: Sometimes it happens, even me. Don't feel bad, man.
Speaker 11: Uh and and yeah, your microphone did blow up that time.
Speaker 5: How does that happen?
Speaker 3: It's just you know, and always and it comes at
the wrong time, and you know, I'm sure everything worked
this afternoon.
Speaker 5: And then strangeness.
Speaker 3: It's it is. It is weird, but don't feel bad
when it happens because it's gotten all of us big time.
Speaker 5: I appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, aciate you coming in. We'll have you back. And Roger,
thank you so much, and Marie, thank you so much.
And Ray, thank you so so very much.
Speaker 8: Lots of lots of unverified crap.
Speaker 3: Thank you for reminding us.
Speaker 7: And he's more professional than Doug and I because we
lost it and that was very apologize.
Speaker 3: Me too, it was extremely unprofessional. Anyhow, back next week.
We'll be back to normal. We'll have our normal pre
show tech breakdown, all sorts of stuff. I just thought
we'd just make it simple.
Speaker 7: And Roger tonight, I'm all for simple.
Speaker 8: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 3: Lots to go wrong, so we're not doing our wisdom
or nothing tonight, but the best wisdom I can give you.
Just keep watching our show. We'll be back next Sunday.
Good night, everybody, Thank you. Good night.
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