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<v Speaker 1>Bill cunning into Great American. Of course, what happened October

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<v Speaker 1>seventh of last year was an incredible moment, a terrible

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<v Speaker 1>moment for the Jewish people and for the world, because

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<v Speaker 1>more than a thousand Jews were killed, two hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>fifty were taken hostage. As we sit here, there continues

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<v Speaker 1>to be large number of hostages. We pray to God

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<v Speaker 1>are alive, but likely not, but we'll see what happens.

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<v Speaker 1>The peace talks continue and nauseam because Hamas does not

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<v Speaker 1>one piece. Hamas wants war. And so when the Sinhwar

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<v Speaker 1>and the other leaders of Hamas talk about the war

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<v Speaker 1>and the civilian casualties, that is what Hamas wants are

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<v Speaker 1>more Palestinian casualties because it fits their purpose. And for

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<v Speaker 1>the one of the first books out on this is

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<v Speaker 1>Seth Fronzman The October seventh War, and Seth Fronsman, I

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<v Speaker 1>think you're in Jerusalem as I speak, and welcome to

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<v Speaker 1>the Bill Cunningham Show. And first of all, can you

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<v Speaker 1>tell the American people what happened on October the seventh

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<v Speaker 1>and how the psyche and the security and the safety

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<v Speaker 1>of Jews have been compromised, and how did it take place.

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<v Speaker 1>Just give us the overview of what happened October the seventh.

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, well, thank you so much for having me on. Basically,

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<v Speaker 2>Hamas is an extremist Paris organization that has existed since

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<v Speaker 2>the nineteen eighty and around two thousand and five, it

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<v Speaker 2>was able to take over the Gaza Strip and by

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<v Speaker 2>killing off its rivals, and then it turned after two

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<v Speaker 2>thousand and five sixty seven, it turned the Gaza Strip

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<v Speaker 2>basically into a fortress of terror. It built hundreds of

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<v Speaker 2>miles of underground tunnels, and it trained around thirty thousand fighters.

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<v Speaker 2>And what it did was it basically prepared a massive

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<v Speaker 2>surprise attack on Israel. It took place, you know, last October,

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<v Speaker 2>about ten ten months ago, and it did a surprise

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<v Speaker 2>attack just like Pearl Harbor or nine to eleven. It

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<v Speaker 2>sent thousands of men to attack this defence. There's a

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<v Speaker 2>kind of security fence that goes around Gaza. It attacked

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<v Speaker 2>around thirty places along the fence, thousands of guys riding

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<v Speaker 2>motorcycles carrying AK forty sevens and the RPGs. It also

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<v Speaker 2>used small drones to attack some of Israel's antennas and

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<v Speaker 2>some of the technology, including they are basically kind of

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<v Speaker 2>like Israel have these remote controlled machine guns that were

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<v Speaker 2>on these powers around the Gaza strip and they neutralize

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<v Speaker 2>otos and once the Hamas guys had gotten through the

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<v Speaker 2>they basically each squad of Hamas members about thirty in

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<v Speaker 2>each place, thirty to fifty. Their goal was to attack

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<v Speaker 2>Israeli civilian communities and massacre the people that they came across,

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<v Speaker 2>and then kidnapped some of the ones that survived. So

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<v Speaker 2>each imagine thirty groups of men, you know, thirty tons

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<v Speaker 2>ten and each of them attacking a small community or

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<v Speaker 2>attacking civilians who were out riding bicycles or you know,

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<v Speaker 2>out for a morning job. It was about six thirty

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<v Speaker 2>in the morning, and they covered their approach by firing

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<v Speaker 2>thousands of rockets so that most of the people would

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<v Speaker 2>be hiding in their safers, in their communities or whatever

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<v Speaker 2>they were taking cover, and they were able to overrun

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<v Speaker 2>the Israeli troops. There were about five hundred to seven

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<v Speaker 2>hundreds of road troops on the border. Most of those

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<v Speaker 2>troops were overrun or they were coming under see each

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<v Speaker 2>fighting it out, and that gave the Hamas about you know,

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<v Speaker 2>five hours to commit this massacre up until Israel could

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<v Speaker 2>basically bring in forces to bear that were able to

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<v Speaker 2>push the hamas Teris back or neutralize them, or capture

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<v Speaker 2>a few of them and plug all these gaps from

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<v Speaker 2>the fence. And it then took another week kind of

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<v Speaker 2>to even figure out how many people have been killed,

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<v Speaker 2>because some of the bodies were burned, or they were

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<v Speaker 2>or they were killed in different ways. So the then Israel,

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<v Speaker 2>of course has been fighting ten months. Basically the guys

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<v Speaker 2>are to try to defeat themass.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, you know, Seth. One of the phrases that came

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<v Speaker 1>out of nine to eleven was the failure of imagination.

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<v Speaker 1>And I was there, as you know, at last May.

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<v Speaker 1>It was it was almost impossible. The Israeli people could

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<v Speaker 1>not have imagined this is all taking place. I call

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<v Speaker 1>it a failure of imagination. And so is that an

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<v Speaker 1>apt phrase to use? Because no one in Israel thought

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<v Speaker 1>this was possible. And the Kibbutza's are in southern Israel,

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<v Speaker 1>they are little enclaves anywhere. For me, one hundred and

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<v Speaker 1>maybe five thousand people more or less living in the

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<v Speaker 1>desert and small groups and an idyllic setting. Well, why

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<v Speaker 1>wasn't the idea of prepared for this. Can you answer

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<v Speaker 1>that question?

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I mean, I think it's one of these things

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<v Speaker 2>where you get used to an enemy. Hamas was an enemy.

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<v Speaker 2>It was an organization, you know, sworn to destroyers or

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<v Speaker 2>own killed Jewish people. But the common is that it

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<v Speaker 2>had been there on the border controlling Gaza since as

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<v Speaker 2>I said, around two thousand and five, two thousand and seven,

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<v Speaker 2>So this was a known enemy. You know, think about

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<v Speaker 2>it like the cartels in Mexico or something where you're

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<v Speaker 2>used to having these enemies or dangerous people, but you

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<v Speaker 2>become complacent sometimes. And I've been down on the Gaza

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<v Speaker 2>border up covered every war there since two thousand and

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<v Speaker 2>nine or so, and I remember driving along there or

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<v Speaker 2>riding a bicycle whatever. I mean, you just you don't

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<v Speaker 2>feel that there's you know, thirty thousand guys on the

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<v Speaker 2>other side that are trained to kill you because you

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<v Speaker 2>don't see them. And I think, you know, unfortunately, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Israel had an intelligence failure that the days meaning up

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<v Speaker 2>to the attack and didn't have enough soldiers, and Israel

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<v Speaker 2>had become complacent and it didn't have enough tanks on

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<v Speaker 2>the border. There were only about a dozen tanks. There

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<v Speaker 2>were only two combat helicopters that were on alert that morning,

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<v Speaker 2>and they were actually in northern Israel because Israel was

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<v Speaker 2>a played mortar fighting as Balla and Iran, right, So

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<v Speaker 2>basically everything that could go wrong went wrong, and unfortunately

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<v Speaker 2>complacency led to this massive massacre. And now everyone is

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<v Speaker 2>trying to learn lessons from that and try to make

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<v Speaker 2>it never happen again. But you mentioned nine to eleven.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean we never I remember nine to eleven as well.

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<v Speaker 2>We never imagined people would fly planes into the World

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<v Speaker 2>Trade Center and the Pentagon at the same time, right,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean we might have imagined one plane, might someone

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<v Speaker 2>might do it with one plane, And I think Israel

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<v Speaker 2>was a wedding for a small attack involving you know,

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<v Speaker 2>a few hundred guys. It never imagined that the enemy

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<v Speaker 2>could plan such a complex murderous operations. And now, of

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<v Speaker 2>course we you know, I hopefully you will have never

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<v Speaker 2>underestimated if enemies again. But it's just that's what happens

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<v Speaker 2>sometimes when europe Perry's or security officials become a bit complacent.

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<v Speaker 1>Seth frontsmen and jump ahead to today and after the

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<v Speaker 1>Democratic Convention, there's this push to have a ceasefire and

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<v Speaker 1>I make the analogy that I could not imagine Georgie Patten,

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<v Speaker 1>General Patten was on the outskirts of Berlin in World

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<v Speaker 1>War Two, and that somebody would want a cease fire

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<v Speaker 1>leaving Adolf Hitler in charge of Berlin, acting as if

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<v Speaker 1>he's going to change the stripes. Can you talk politically

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<v Speaker 1>how much sense it would make for Israel and now

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<v Speaker 1>to have a cease fire leaving Hamas in charge of Gaza.

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<v Speaker 1>Isn't that just delaying the inevitable for the next attack

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<v Speaker 1>and they tell you up front we're going to kill.

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<v Speaker 1>What's gonna happen next will be much worse than October

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<v Speaker 1>the seventh. And so why would Benjamin Netchinyahu agree to

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<v Speaker 1>a peace treaty in which Hamas, with their hundreds of

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<v Speaker 1>miles of tunnels and their complete control of Gaza and

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<v Speaker 1>the fact they're given billions of dollars from nations all

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<v Speaker 1>over the world that they use for military purposes, why

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<v Speaker 1>would Israel after this allow Hamas to stay in charge

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<v Speaker 1>of Gaza.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I think it's a perfect comparison. You may with

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<v Speaker 2>the being there in nineteen forty four and deciding to

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<v Speaker 2>kind of give the not be a feat fire. History

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<v Speaker 2>shows you can never have if you have a vicious,

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<v Speaker 2>genocidal enemy that doesn't play by the same rules as

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<v Speaker 2>you and it's sworn to kill you exactly, you can't

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<v Speaker 2>have a seat fire. It just prolongs the inevitable of

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<v Speaker 2>another war. Now, I think that Israel could have a

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<v Speaker 2>short term sease fire like it did back in November

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<v Speaker 2>where there was a ten day fees fire in order

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<v Speaker 2>to get some of the most vulnerable hostages out of Gaza.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that you know, people want the hostages to

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<v Speaker 2>be returned home. The other option is to try to

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<v Speaker 2>free them in military attacks and rescue missions. That of

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<v Speaker 2>course mean that may risk lies as well, but I

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<v Speaker 2>think yeah U from me. Any kind of seat spire

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<v Speaker 2>that leaves Hamas in power is rewarding not only Hamas,

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<v Speaker 2>but let's remember it's also empowering those who back Kamas,

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<v Speaker 2>including Iran and the other countries like Russia or shiner A,

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<v Speaker 2>Turkey or tatar and others. So it's important to remember

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<v Speaker 2>that any attempt to leave Hamas in power or let

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<v Speaker 2>it feel that it can win, will embold in all

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<v Speaker 2>of America's enemies and all of Israel's enemies, and they

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<v Speaker 2>will take a lesson from that that they can get

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<v Speaker 2>away with this and do it somewhere else. So that

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<v Speaker 2>certainly would be a good reason not to allow Kamas

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<v Speaker 2>any bruing space or any kind of long term inspire Seth.

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<v Speaker 1>The head of the snake is Iran. They're the exporters

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<v Speaker 1>of terror all around the world. Why doesn't I've been

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<v Speaker 1>told by a US retired general that if we said

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<v Speaker 1>to Israel, take out Iran not using nuclear means, there's

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<v Speaker 1>three oil exporting ports that would be destroyed by Israeli

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<v Speaker 1>air force and missiles. They'd be out of business economically.

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<v Speaker 1>There's two or three dams in the country that provide

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<v Speaker 1>all the drinking water. Take out the dams, eviscerate ten

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<v Speaker 1>to fifteen power stations, and Iran suddenly they're back in

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<v Speaker 1>the Middle Ages. Why doesn't I can imagine Iran would

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<v Speaker 1>do it absolutely. What doesn't Israel take the military approach,

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<v Speaker 1>not using nuclear weapons and destroy Iran, which is the

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<v Speaker 1>head of the snake. Why don't they do it?

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<v Speaker 2>Don't?

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<v Speaker 1>Why Why doesn't Benjamin NETANYAHUO do that to end the war?

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<v Speaker 2>I think in order for Israel to do that, it

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<v Speaker 2>would want to have a coalition with other countries like

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<v Speaker 2>the United States or Western allies. I don't think going alone,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, that could lead Israel to be condemned. So

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<v Speaker 2>I think Israel has to be very careful. Also, remember

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<v Speaker 2>Israel is still fighting a war in Gaza, it has

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<v Speaker 2>it has troops fighting guys every day against Sarah's. Israel

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<v Speaker 2>is facing an onslaught from the Iranian back group has boot.

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<v Speaker 2>So anyway, what argument could be made that we could

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<v Speaker 2>go for the head of the snake. But I think

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<v Speaker 2>that Israel has occurred to try to defeat the closer

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<v Speaker 2>enemies first because they pose the big challenge. And Israel

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<v Speaker 2>is hoping that Israel's western allies, like the United States,

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<v Speaker 2>we'll be able to pick up some of the slack.

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<v Speaker 2>And also you know, standing with Israel against the Iranian

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<v Speaker 2>threats and things like that. So we have to see

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<v Speaker 2>how the Iranian threat develops. You know, will Iran rushed

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<v Speaker 2>to weaponize the nuclear program. That would be the redline

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<v Speaker 2>I think for Israel, And so we have to see

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<v Speaker 2>what Iran does next.

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<v Speaker 1>When Iran has the capability of destroying Israel, it will

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<v Speaker 1>do it because it's a culture of death, not of life. Russians, Chinese, Turks,

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<v Speaker 1>they all want to live life. But the Islamic extremists

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<v Speaker 1>in Iran and not the Iranian people, but the leaders

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<v Speaker 1>do not want to that. They want to die because

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<v Speaker 1>they think there's seventy two versions are in heaven. It's

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<v Speaker 1>a culture of death. And lastly, I want I want

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<v Speaker 1>to get to lastly, I want to get your reaction

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<v Speaker 1>to this. I've read some stuff out of Europe that

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<v Speaker 1>the goal of Hesbla and Hamas in Iran is to

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<v Speaker 1>bleed Israel dry over time. The three great drivers of

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<v Speaker 1>the Israeli economy are tourism, agricultural products, and high tech.

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<v Speaker 1>I would imagine right now that those industries don't exist

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<v Speaker 1>in any measurable amount. There's one hundred thousand Jews in

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<v Speaker 1>northern Israel that's moved south to live with others. The

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<v Speaker 1>economy's got to be on its back. Why wouldn't the

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<v Speaker 1>forces of evil and Iran simply bleed Israel dry over

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<v Speaker 1>the next three to five years, so they collapse economically,

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<v Speaker 1>and then here comes the hordes of individuals around Israel

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<v Speaker 1>to kill the Jews once again. Is that something that

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<v Speaker 1>kind of marshals itself into your thinking that the long

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<v Speaker 1>term just kill Israel indirectly when it can't do it directly.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's partly true. Ran does want to basically

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<v Speaker 2>force Israel to endless wars of attrition on the borders,

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<v Speaker 2>in which it's not in Israel's interest by to fight

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<v Speaker 2>these long wars, whereas as Bulah and groups like the

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<v Speaker 2>Huthis of groups in Iraq, they don't have anything to lose.

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<v Speaker 2>They've already bankrupted their country, so it doesn't matter if

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<v Speaker 2>them that the country becomes more bankrupt like a racer

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<v Speaker 2>or lemanons. So that's definitely part of the running the strategy.

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<v Speaker 2>I would say that in Israel, in terms of what's

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<v Speaker 2>happened in israel'ms the economy. It's true that turns and

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<v Speaker 2>is probably down ninety percent, but I think the high

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<v Speaker 2>tech sector continues to thrive because high tech is exportable

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<v Speaker 2>whether or not there's a war. And also remember that

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<v Speaker 2>some of the high tech is used in Israel's defense systems.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, that's how Israel bill Ironville, and that's how Israel,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, trained pilots to fly at thirty five. So

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<v Speaker 2>the high tech actually is something that Israel exports and

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<v Speaker 2>also works with US Defense Company. So there is a

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<v Speaker 2>silver lining probably there in terms of the agriculture of yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>there's has been very bad to the north. I think

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<v Speaker 2>the agriculture is south, and what I've seen has rebounded impressively.

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<v Speaker 2>So you know, Israel has always been under siege since

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<v Speaker 2>it was founded in nineteen forty eight. It knows how

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<v Speaker 2>to do this, but it's definitely not in Israel's interest

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<v Speaker 2>to fight this war for the next numerous years. And

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<v Speaker 2>Iran has to be stopped, and Iran supplies of whip

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<v Speaker 2>and the groups like as well, it must be stopped.

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<v Speaker 2>Or around Williams, you do exactly what you said. We

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<v Speaker 2>just try to slowly believe.

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<v Speaker 1>Israel, all right, Frensman, author of the October seventh War.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't want to get into particulars of what these

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<v Speaker 1>murderers did to women and babies. But the most despicable

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<v Speaker 1>acts of human can commit against a mother who's pregnant

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<v Speaker 1>was committed. Most are hyped up on drugs of one

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<v Speaker 1>type or another. These thirty thousand fighters, and as we speak,

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<v Speaker 1>there's about ten to fifteen thousand of Moss still alive

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<v Speaker 1>wanting to fight the next war. This isn't ending it.

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<v Speaker 1>It must be won. Israel must win this war by

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<v Speaker 1>any means necessary, because its existence is at risk. Seth

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<v Speaker 1>Fronzman the October seventh War. Thank you for coming on

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<v Speaker 1>the Bill Cunningham Show. And Seth, you're a great American

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<v Speaker 1>and thank you very much. Thank you, God bless you.

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<v Speaker 1>Let's continue with more. I couldnt imagine a situation where

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<v Speaker 1>Iran had the military power of Israel and they wouldn't

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<v Speaker 1>use it. And Israel is the only country on Earth

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<v Speaker 1>that is not permitted to win its wars. Don't Cunningham

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<v Speaker 1>with you every afternoon on news radio seven hundred WLW