1 00:00:00,600 --> 00:00:03,560 Speaker 1: What's up everybody? Your pal? Is he here? And I 2 00:00:03,600 --> 00:00:07,759 know you were here to hear or see another episode 3 00:00:07,799 --> 00:00:11,080 of another FM podcast. Before I get into that, I 4 00:00:11,080 --> 00:00:13,679 would like to tell you all about the Patreon Patreon 5 00:00:13,720 --> 00:00:20,760 dot com slash real Izzy Presley. Come on join the program. Yes, 6 00:00:21,160 --> 00:00:25,839 it's only five dollars a month, and you get so 7 00:00:26,000 --> 00:00:31,000 much great stuff. You get shows, three to five shows 8 00:00:31,039 --> 00:00:35,359 a week that are only there for the Patreon folks. 9 00:00:35,399 --> 00:00:37,079 We're gonna do zoom meetups, We're gonna do a lot 10 00:00:37,119 --> 00:00:39,520 of fun stuff. Come on board. It's only five dollars 11 00:00:39,560 --> 00:00:44,679 a month. Patreon dot com slash real Izzy Presley, Join 12 00:00:44,719 --> 00:00:46,600 the fun. 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It is 40 00:01:55,760 --> 00:01:57,079 good to see you, and it's always good to be 41 00:01:57,120 --> 00:01:59,840 seeing the shows. Another podcast, I'm your host? Is he Presley? 42 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:03,319 It's good to see you in studio? I have Dario Lorena, 43 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:07,319 Yes I said it right, yeah, well from Black Label 44 00:02:07,359 --> 00:02:10,240 Society and his brand new band called Dark Chapel. Gonna 45 00:02:10,280 --> 00:02:12,360 get into that in just a second. Make sure you 46 00:02:12,360 --> 00:02:14,719 guys do hit up all those socials at Real Izzie 47 00:02:14,719 --> 00:02:17,080 Presley all the way across the board, Twitter, Instagram, at Facebook, 48 00:02:17,280 --> 00:02:20,960 TikTok is well, and the Patreon. So you Patreon folks, 49 00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:23,800 you are getting this first. You're getting this today because 50 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:25,639 you know you're paying for it. You should get it 51 00:02:25,639 --> 00:02:31,159 first ad free and of course worldwide on Saturday. Just 52 00:02:31,280 --> 00:02:36,800 really quick, before we get into Dario here. In November, 53 00:02:36,840 --> 00:02:39,120 there was the Las Vegas Guitar Trade Show here in 54 00:02:39,199 --> 00:02:41,879 Las Vegas at Silverton, and we are doing it again. 55 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:44,719 I'm hosting the event. It is at the Silverton. It 56 00:02:44,800 --> 00:02:48,879 is May thirtieth through June first. So, and the great 57 00:02:48,879 --> 00:02:52,080 thing about this one you can actually buy shit. I'm like, ma'am, 58 00:02:52,159 --> 00:02:55,319 or you just go and go, Okay, that's cool. All right, 59 00:02:55,360 --> 00:02:59,039 there's a lot of people, Oh shit, drums. Fuck, you 60 00:02:59,039 --> 00:03:01,199 can actually buy shit, walk out with shit. It's it 61 00:03:01,319 --> 00:03:04,280 is fucking great. So in Studio got dariol Arena from 62 00:03:04,400 --> 00:03:07,800 Black Label Society and Dark Chapel. The album is called 63 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:11,360 Spirit in the Glass. It comes out on February twenty eighth. 64 00:03:11,400 --> 00:03:15,360 The single Glass Heart has been out since November eighth. No, 65 00:03:15,520 --> 00:03:19,840 you've been with Zach since twenty fourteen. When did you 66 00:03:19,919 --> 00:03:23,560 start writing for this and when did when did this 67 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:25,280 idea start first come into your head? 68 00:03:26,199 --> 00:03:28,439 Speaker 5: Yeah? So, I mean I had this vision for Doc 69 00:03:28,479 --> 00:03:32,639 Chapel for a while, just as I was demoing songs 70 00:03:32,639 --> 00:03:34,919 and writing songs and singing songs. Goes to me, it's 71 00:03:34,960 --> 00:03:38,639 like a continuation in a sense of the instrumental albums 72 00:03:38,639 --> 00:03:41,159 that I've done. Now I'm just putting lyrics and vocals 73 00:03:41,199 --> 00:03:42,879 in place of where a Caitas Sola would be during 74 00:03:42,919 --> 00:03:47,240 the verse, you know what I mean. So, but Doc 75 00:03:47,319 --> 00:03:49,879 Chapel has been like in the creation process for a 76 00:03:49,960 --> 00:03:54,520 few years, so maybe twenty one twenty two areas about 77 00:03:54,520 --> 00:03:57,840 when I started like putting it all together, and now 78 00:03:57,879 --> 00:03:59,439 we're at this point. Now it's you know, I felt 79 00:03:59,439 --> 00:04:00,080 like I was ready to. 80 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:03,080 Speaker 1: Yeah, is it? So when you're writing for this, is 81 00:04:03,120 --> 00:04:06,479 it hard to not write like you're writing with Zach 82 00:04:07,240 --> 00:04:09,280 and I mean with the rifts and all kind of 83 00:04:09,319 --> 00:04:12,599 stuff to kind of bust out onto your own what 84 00:04:12,680 --> 00:04:13,319 you like to do. 85 00:04:13,520 --> 00:04:15,719 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean for me, I'm just sitting down and 86 00:04:15,759 --> 00:04:18,680 writing and whatever's coming out is coming out, So I'm 87 00:04:18,680 --> 00:04:22,120 not really you know, I didn't have like a specific direction. 88 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:24,920 I just was like, whatever's coming out is natural, you 89 00:04:24,959 --> 00:04:26,160 know what I mean. And as far as like the 90 00:04:26,199 --> 00:04:28,800 black label stuff, Zach's right in that, so right, so 91 00:04:28,839 --> 00:04:31,160 that's you know, that's his that's his thing. So you know, 92 00:04:31,199 --> 00:04:33,600 he'll send me a pat and be like, uh, you know, 93 00:04:33,639 --> 00:04:35,800 here's your solo section. Do your thing to it, and 94 00:04:36,079 --> 00:04:38,120 you know, send it back. So that's that's how that 95 00:04:38,160 --> 00:04:39,839 process goes. But yeah, if a doc chapel, I just 96 00:04:39,879 --> 00:04:42,199 sat down and write, wrote, and whatever came out came out. 97 00:04:42,240 --> 00:04:44,120 Speaker 1: Were you writing by yourself or you were were you 98 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:45,319 writing with the guys in the band. 99 00:04:45,519 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 5: So I pretty much like rough draft it all out. 100 00:04:49,120 --> 00:04:54,399 So I have a demo in pro tools and the power. 101 00:04:54,199 --> 00:04:55,800 Speaker 1: Just flickered there a little bit, just flickered a little bit. 102 00:04:55,879 --> 00:04:58,600 Speaker 5: Yeah, yes, ran outside, but uh yeah, So I just 103 00:04:58,600 --> 00:05:01,920 demo it all out, rough drafted, and then I'll get 104 00:05:01,959 --> 00:05:05,360 the melodies, vocals and everything rolling, and then uh you know, 105 00:05:05,399 --> 00:05:07,480 then we'll get into a jam room and then it 106 00:05:07,600 --> 00:05:10,040 comes to life as guys put their feeling their pats 107 00:05:10,040 --> 00:05:12,120 on it. But as far as like arrangement with guitar 108 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:14,079 and stuff, it's it's all pretty pretty much for the 109 00:05:14,120 --> 00:05:14,519 most part. 110 00:05:14,600 --> 00:05:17,600 Speaker 1: The so like there's a lot of guys like Richie 111 00:05:17,639 --> 00:05:21,240 Cottson for instance, that he writes and records everything himself, 112 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:23,600 so when but he'll have somebody commit every once in 113 00:05:23,639 --> 00:05:26,959 a while for the bass and the drums. Do you 114 00:05:27,079 --> 00:05:29,519 have an idea of what you want? Do you do 115 00:05:29,560 --> 00:05:31,519 you put it down and go like play it exactly 116 00:05:31,600 --> 00:05:32,920 like this or do you let kind of people have 117 00:05:32,959 --> 00:05:33,560 their free Reign. 118 00:05:34,079 --> 00:05:35,879 Speaker 5: You know, I'm sure as guitar players, we all kind 119 00:05:35,879 --> 00:05:37,439 of hear the beat in the head that we're writing to, 120 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:40,399 so you kind of mouth it out and then the 121 00:05:40,439 --> 00:05:42,120 guy just runs with it, you know what I mean. 122 00:05:42,120 --> 00:05:44,040 It does this thing and adds his heads, adds his 123 00:05:44,079 --> 00:05:47,240 feel to it. So that's that's kind of how it is. Yes, 124 00:05:47,360 --> 00:05:48,519 the same same with bass. 125 00:05:48,519 --> 00:05:49,839 Speaker 1: Who do you have playing in the band? 126 00:05:50,480 --> 00:05:52,879 Speaker 5: So now, so half the album I actually recorded a 127 00:05:52,879 --> 00:05:54,839 few years ago when when it was first getting going. 128 00:05:55,439 --> 00:05:58,759 So those are some friends of mine, phenomenal musicians on 129 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:01,839 a handful of the songs. And then I was I 130 00:06:01,879 --> 00:06:04,920 was continuing to write as it was coming together over 131 00:06:04,959 --> 00:06:08,240 the years. I had some other friends of mine, just 132 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:11,319 guys here in Vegas and then now completing the lineup 133 00:06:11,360 --> 00:06:14,839 with I Mike Gun playing bass, Lewis Silva playing drums, 134 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:19,199 and uh, my friend Dylan Dice playing guitar. So yeah, 135 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:20,000 so that's the lineup. 136 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:23,839 Speaker 1: And uh and you recorded the when you started working 137 00:06:23,839 --> 00:06:27,680 on it again. You recorded this over at the Count's place. 138 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:31,360 Speaker 5: Right yeah. Uh, let me think of the time frame. Yeah, 139 00:06:31,360 --> 00:06:34,920 the first half of it I did at Counts Stony 140 00:06:34,959 --> 00:06:35,480 and Danny's. 141 00:06:36,319 --> 00:06:37,920 Speaker 1: Yeah, Danny's the best too. 142 00:06:38,000 --> 00:06:41,959 Speaker 5: Yeah, And I had killer engineer Fred working on it 143 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,560 with me, and and then when I came back to 144 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:48,720 do it, I did the second half for the most like, 145 00:06:49,040 --> 00:06:53,959 for the most part over at Ron Mancuzo's studio seventy seven. Yeah. 146 00:06:54,199 --> 00:06:56,040 I did a lot of vocals there and were recorded 147 00:06:56,079 --> 00:07:00,920 in his drum room, which which was awesome. And then 148 00:07:00,959 --> 00:07:02,720 I finished some of the guitar stuff and some of 149 00:07:02,759 --> 00:07:05,600 the other pats over accounts for the remaining rest of 150 00:07:05,600 --> 00:07:05,959 the album. 151 00:07:05,959 --> 00:07:08,279 Speaker 1: But yeah, you had a Mike Varney help working on 152 00:07:08,319 --> 00:07:09,279 it producing. 153 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:11,319 Speaker 5: Not on this one, because okay, yeah, I did two 154 00:07:11,360 --> 00:07:14,160 instrumental albums with my right in the past and twenty thirteen, 155 00:07:14,160 --> 00:07:14,920 twenty seventeen. 156 00:07:14,959 --> 00:07:16,199 Speaker 1: But okay, so who produced this one? 157 00:07:16,240 --> 00:07:16,360 Speaker 5: Then? 158 00:07:16,399 --> 00:07:17,399 Speaker 1: Did you just produce it yourself? 159 00:07:17,480 --> 00:07:18,399 Speaker 5: Yeah? Just self produced. 160 00:07:18,560 --> 00:07:21,680 Speaker 1: Do you like working with the producer as as opposed 161 00:07:21,680 --> 00:07:22,800 to doing it by yourself? 162 00:07:23,879 --> 00:07:26,879 Speaker 5: I actually have never really worked with the producer. I 163 00:07:26,959 --> 00:07:29,040 mean for me, I mean, you know, just as a 164 00:07:29,120 --> 00:07:31,439 musician in general, you kind of have a direction of 165 00:07:31,480 --> 00:07:34,759 what you're hearing. So I'm just putting it together and 166 00:07:34,800 --> 00:07:38,040 then when we're in there, we're putting it together. And yeah, 167 00:07:38,160 --> 00:07:42,079 everybody's kind of throwing in their idea as trying things 168 00:07:42,079 --> 00:07:44,839 out or whatever. But yeah, I don't really think of 169 00:07:44,920 --> 00:07:47,160 the word producer because you're just like making music and 170 00:07:47,519 --> 00:07:49,079 at the end of it, it's how you wanted it 171 00:07:49,120 --> 00:07:50,240 to come out right now, right. 172 00:07:50,360 --> 00:07:51,920 Speaker 1: Well. The reason I asked that is because like there's 173 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:55,160 a lot of people that probably need a producer. Tell them, Okay, 174 00:07:55,199 --> 00:07:58,279 that's wrong, even though you have it in your head, 175 00:07:58,839 --> 00:08:00,800 you know. Then they but they do it themselves, and 176 00:08:00,839 --> 00:08:03,240 it would have came out better had they had somebody 177 00:08:03,240 --> 00:08:05,319 in their ear going no, no, no, just take a 178 00:08:05,399 --> 00:08:06,959 listen to this, you know what I mean. 179 00:08:07,240 --> 00:08:09,439 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it is always nice to have sometimes 180 00:08:09,560 --> 00:08:12,680 out an outside you know, ear to go you know what, 181 00:08:12,759 --> 00:08:15,160 let's h let's pull that delay back a little bit 182 00:08:15,240 --> 00:08:16,120 or let's you know whatever. 183 00:08:16,160 --> 00:08:19,439 Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, the single Glass Heart has been out 184 00:08:19,480 --> 00:08:23,480 since November eighth. How's how's the response been to it? 185 00:08:23,720 --> 00:08:23,959 Speaker 3: Uh? 186 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:26,000 Speaker 5: Yeah, for for Glass Hot, I think it was Uh 187 00:08:26,800 --> 00:08:30,360 I think no, no, you're right, I think it's been 188 00:08:30,480 --> 00:08:32,799 I think it's been great. And uh I was psyched 189 00:08:32,840 --> 00:08:34,559 for that one to be the first single because it 190 00:08:34,799 --> 00:08:36,679 kind of had a different vibe to it, and uh, 191 00:08:36,720 --> 00:08:38,320 like when we were calling, it was giving us like 192 00:08:38,600 --> 00:08:42,120 soundtrack to a movie kind of vibes. Yeah, so I 193 00:08:42,159 --> 00:08:44,200 was psyched on that one. And then now Hollow smiles 194 00:08:44,200 --> 00:08:47,879 out and uh, that's like another totally heavy a feel, 195 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:49,919 you know. Yeah, And that's kind of the story the 196 00:08:49,919 --> 00:08:52,480 whole album is, Like I feel like there's a lot 197 00:08:52,519 --> 00:08:55,080 of different vibe on it. It can all fall under 198 00:08:55,080 --> 00:08:57,639 one umbrella, like it's all it all feels the same, 199 00:08:57,679 --> 00:08:59,639 but like you know, it's starts in one place, kind 200 00:08:59,639 --> 00:09:01,720 of takes you somewhere else and ends in a different spot. 201 00:09:01,799 --> 00:09:03,919 So yeah, I'm psyched on it. 202 00:09:04,039 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 1: How how do you know? I know you? When did 203 00:09:07,399 --> 00:09:09,759 you start singing? Because I heard you on Tronky you 204 00:09:09,799 --> 00:09:13,240 talked about how you started taking lessons from somebody. Were 205 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:18,720 you singing before that? And did you have like Cottson 206 00:09:18,720 --> 00:09:20,759 for instance, always comes back to Cottson and kiss for me. 207 00:09:21,240 --> 00:09:24,519 But like Ritchie when he started singing, he his voice 208 00:09:24,960 --> 00:09:28,000 was kind of based off Terrence Trent Darby, and if 209 00:09:28,039 --> 00:09:30,600 you hear chance at Darby, you hear Cotson. But I 210 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:34,960 also hear Cotson in you when you started singing? Who 211 00:09:35,639 --> 00:09:39,080 was there a like a A I don't know I'm trying. 212 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:42,200 How do I explain this? Was there like a vibe 213 00:09:42,240 --> 00:09:44,000 you wanted to your voice or was it just kind 214 00:09:44,000 --> 00:09:45,159 of this is just what it is. 215 00:09:47,080 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 5: So when I was a teenager, like sixteen, I was 216 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:53,279 playing with Jennie Lance, so I was torn with Janney, 217 00:09:54,080 --> 00:09:56,480 and at that time, all I thought about was guitar playing, 218 00:09:56,519 --> 00:09:59,159 you know what I mean. And at that time, for me, 219 00:09:59,279 --> 00:10:02,519 it was like thinking of singing. Thinking of a singer 220 00:10:02,559 --> 00:10:05,200 felt like, Oh, singers just can open their mouth and 221 00:10:05,279 --> 00:10:07,559 like they sound amazing, you know what I mean. So 222 00:10:07,679 --> 00:10:09,519 I just was like, oh, I guess I'm just I 223 00:10:09,879 --> 00:10:11,480 just play guitar, you know what I mean. But that's 224 00:10:11,519 --> 00:10:12,919 all I was focused on. And when I was touring 225 00:10:12,960 --> 00:10:15,399 with Janey, he would always joke me like, you know, 226 00:10:15,480 --> 00:10:17,320 you gotta learn to play slide guitar and you got 227 00:10:17,320 --> 00:10:19,360 to learn to sing. And that was like sixteen, seventeen 228 00:10:19,440 --> 00:10:24,200 years old. Then I met somebody named Ron Feldman who 229 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:26,600 was a friend of Jane's, who was a vocal coach 230 00:10:26,679 --> 00:10:30,759 of his when he was younger. And this was after 231 00:10:30,799 --> 00:10:33,879 a show in Florida, and he was like saying, you know, 232 00:10:34,159 --> 00:10:35,720 all right, I'm gonna show you how to sing. You 233 00:10:35,720 --> 00:10:37,440 know what I mean. So it was just like eleven 234 00:10:37,559 --> 00:10:40,039 thirty midnight or whatever in my hotel room and he's 235 00:10:40,039 --> 00:10:42,399 giving me like vocal lessons, like showing me hand on 236 00:10:42,399 --> 00:10:44,559 the chest and belly and how to breathe and whatever 237 00:10:44,600 --> 00:10:47,639 and try to sing this scale. And I was horrible, 238 00:10:47,679 --> 00:10:50,399 you know what I mean. Yeah, And then you know, 239 00:10:50,639 --> 00:10:54,039 after that, I met with him once a week on 240 00:10:54,120 --> 00:10:56,120 Skype and he was just showing me like how to 241 00:10:56,159 --> 00:10:58,440 sing a scale and how to play the scale on 242 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:01,039 the piano and then like sing a verse of this 243 00:11:01,120 --> 00:11:03,320 song while you play the acoustic and you know, just 244 00:11:03,360 --> 00:11:07,120 working on it, developing it. And after that it was 245 00:11:07,200 --> 00:11:08,639 just me working on it on my own and kind 246 00:11:08,679 --> 00:11:11,360 of like I've written a ton of songs, you know 247 00:11:11,399 --> 00:11:13,759 what I mean, of just demoing it and trying to 248 00:11:13,759 --> 00:11:15,279 sing on it and demo it and try to sing 249 00:11:15,320 --> 00:11:19,440 on it. And that's now evolved into Doc Chapel years later. 250 00:11:19,480 --> 00:11:23,200 But as far as what I would, you know, I 251 00:11:23,360 --> 00:11:27,919 love bluesy, you know, a bluesy vibe, and I love 252 00:11:28,039 --> 00:11:32,200 motown and things like that, so I love that style 253 00:11:32,279 --> 00:11:34,879 of singing. And as far as Richie Cosson, he was, 254 00:11:34,960 --> 00:11:36,960 I listened to a lot of Richie Costs and he's 255 00:11:37,039 --> 00:11:41,279 uh yeah, I mean he's phenomenal and I love his 256 00:11:41,360 --> 00:11:45,440 style and oh nice. Yeah, so yeah, know he's he's 257 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:49,440 amazing in his songwriting and his feel and everything. So 258 00:11:49,559 --> 00:11:51,279 I definitely listened to a lot of Richie over the years. 259 00:11:51,320 --> 00:11:54,159 Speaker 1: How long do you take you to develop as a songwriter, 260 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:58,639 cause that's I mean, some people it just comes, and 261 00:11:58,679 --> 00:12:01,360 then some people takes a little while and then okay, 262 00:12:01,480 --> 00:12:02,279 now I get it. 263 00:12:02,879 --> 00:12:05,480 Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it's probably still developing, is think we 264 00:12:05,559 --> 00:12:07,759 all are. Yeah, yeah, it's probably the right answer. But 265 00:12:07,799 --> 00:12:11,320 I mean, you know, it's it's something that you're just 266 00:12:11,799 --> 00:12:16,879 constantly doing. And there's probably a hundred songs that still 267 00:12:16,919 --> 00:12:18,639 in my pro tools. It's like, out of those hundred, 268 00:12:18,679 --> 00:12:20,919 I got this one, okay, and then in the next ten, 269 00:12:20,960 --> 00:12:23,039 I got this one, and then that becomes ten of 270 00:12:23,159 --> 00:12:27,279 Doc Chapel whatever. But writing for the instrumental stuff is 271 00:12:27,320 --> 00:12:29,720 still like those two albums in the past is still 272 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:32,919 like I would consider that song writing because you're still 273 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:36,120 arranging and structuring music, yeah, and coming up with melody 274 00:12:36,200 --> 00:12:38,440 if you're going to do you know, like on Death 275 00:12:38,440 --> 00:12:41,320 of Tribulations, I had a lot of chorus melodies happening, 276 00:12:42,000 --> 00:12:44,440 so you know, every one you do is just another 277 00:12:44,639 --> 00:12:47,919 shoppings of chops just a little bit. So yeah, constantly, 278 00:12:48,000 --> 00:12:49,200 always still working on that, but. 279 00:12:49,159 --> 00:12:51,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, right and vocally did it come pretty quick? 280 00:12:53,600 --> 00:12:55,200 Speaker 5: Like right, like singing on songs? 281 00:12:55,279 --> 00:12:57,960 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, just just learning how to sing, because 282 00:12:58,080 --> 00:13:00,799 again it's the same thing some people is just fucking natural. 283 00:13:01,399 --> 00:13:04,559 And there's a reason I have an Ace Freely tribute band. 284 00:13:04,759 --> 00:13:09,200 Speaker 5: Hey yeah, it's got a fucking talk like this. Yeah, yeah, 285 00:13:09,320 --> 00:13:11,759 I mean anything, you know, just practiced and worked on 286 00:13:11,799 --> 00:13:14,879 it and uh yeah, I mean that's pretty much that, right. 287 00:13:15,600 --> 00:13:17,960 Speaker 1: And so the album comes out on the twenty eighth. 288 00:13:19,279 --> 00:13:21,759 Has there been any seen, any buzz, felt, any buzz 289 00:13:21,759 --> 00:13:22,759 around it? Yeah? 290 00:13:22,799 --> 00:13:24,519 Speaker 5: I think it's I think it's gained some traction now 291 00:13:24,960 --> 00:13:27,360 now that we have that second single out, and uh yeah, 292 00:13:27,399 --> 00:13:29,080 I mean pretty much two weeks from you know, I 293 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:30,679 don't know whenever this comes out, but two weeks from 294 00:13:30,679 --> 00:13:32,080 tomorrow's it'll be out. 295 00:13:32,200 --> 00:13:35,399 Speaker 1: But yeah, and you guys know your first show, is 296 00:13:35,399 --> 00:13:37,240 it the first dark Tapple show that's going to be 297 00:13:37,279 --> 00:13:37,919 here in Vegas? 298 00:13:39,000 --> 00:13:41,440 Speaker 5: Actually, yeah, So we did our first two shows a 299 00:13:41,480 --> 00:13:44,120 couple of weeks ago, opening for Zak opening for the 300 00:13:44,200 --> 00:13:48,200 Zach Sabbath shows. So those were our first two shows 301 00:13:48,240 --> 00:13:50,919 as Doc Chapel and then March first in Vegas at 302 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:53,600 Vamped will be the album release show because then the 303 00:13:53,639 --> 00:13:56,000 album will come out the day before February twenty eighth, 304 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:58,919 right that next night, Saturday night, March first, will be 305 00:13:59,000 --> 00:13:59,799 at Vamped. 306 00:13:59,679 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 1: And U Don Jamison is coming out to kind of 307 00:14:02,399 --> 00:14:05,000 host that and do a little uh do a little set. 308 00:14:05,080 --> 00:14:06,600 Is Is there any other bands on the bill or 309 00:14:06,639 --> 00:14:07,600 is it just you guys and Don? 310 00:14:07,720 --> 00:14:10,080 Speaker 5: Yeah, just Don Jamison and then Doc Schaffel. So it's 311 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:10,720 gonna be fun night. 312 00:14:10,799 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna be cool. It's I tell you what 313 00:14:12,679 --> 00:14:15,480 I do stand up too and getting up and doing 314 00:14:15,519 --> 00:14:18,159 stand up in front of a rock crowd when especially 315 00:14:18,159 --> 00:14:21,720 when they're not expecting it. That's fucking tough. You want 316 00:14:21,759 --> 00:14:24,039 to talk about trying to set the fucking tone, It 317 00:14:24,159 --> 00:14:26,759 is tough. Uh. Don was out here a couple of 318 00:14:26,799 --> 00:14:28,679 months ago and he opened up for this Judas Priest 319 00:14:28,679 --> 00:14:32,799 tribute at Dive Bar. He's like, is he go do 320 00:14:32,960 --> 00:14:35,240 your five minutes? Like, oh, you need me to set 321 00:14:35,279 --> 00:14:37,480 the fucking tone for you? I see all that is, 322 00:14:37,519 --> 00:14:40,559 you know, was it. What was the idea about having 323 00:14:40,559 --> 00:14:43,159 a comedian come out and do it instead of having 324 00:14:43,159 --> 00:14:43,559 a band. 325 00:14:43,840 --> 00:14:45,679 Speaker 5: I just thought I just thought it'd be fun. Yeah, 326 00:14:45,679 --> 00:14:47,120 I mean, Don's awesome. I just thought it'd be a 327 00:14:47,120 --> 00:14:47,399 good time. 328 00:14:47,480 --> 00:14:48,559 Speaker 1: Yeah. How long have you known Don? 329 00:14:49,639 --> 00:14:51,559 Speaker 5: I don't know if I could tell you, but I've 330 00:14:51,600 --> 00:14:52,600 known him for a long time. 331 00:14:53,039 --> 00:14:54,919 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm just. 332 00:14:54,879 --> 00:14:56,399 Speaker 5: You know, because he's friendly with a lot of the 333 00:14:56,399 --> 00:15:00,320 black label guys. Yeah, and Brian Slagel slaves the now 334 00:15:00,480 --> 00:15:03,120 A Vegas guys. So yeah, I've known Don for a 335 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:03,480 long time. 336 00:15:03,519 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 1: All right, here's what we're gonna do. We are going 337 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,679 to take a short break and we are going to 338 00:15:07,799 --> 00:15:10,559 listen to if you guys get to see it's it's 339 00:15:10,559 --> 00:15:13,360 a new bit on the show called Dating Tips from 340 00:15:13,360 --> 00:15:17,000 Porn Stars, and this week it is Hazel Page. I 341 00:15:17,039 --> 00:15:18,679 did a whole bunch of them at the A v 342 00:15:18,840 --> 00:15:20,759 N's here and we'll be right. 343 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:27,159 Speaker 4: Back and now it's time for Dating Tips from porn Stars. 344 00:15:31,759 --> 00:15:32,639 Speaker 5: I'm Hazel Page. 345 00:15:32,720 --> 00:15:36,240 Speaker 6: Hazel Page, nice to meet you on Dating Tips with 346 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:40,000 Porn Stars. Question number one, we all know confidence is king, 347 00:15:41,159 --> 00:15:44,399 so taking that out of the equation money, looks. 348 00:15:45,679 --> 00:15:46,639 Speaker 1: Or humor. 349 00:15:48,519 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 5: Oh this was like fuck Mary kill. So okay, I'm 350 00:15:52,200 --> 00:15:53,080 gonna do fuck Mary. 351 00:15:53,000 --> 00:15:55,080 Speaker 1: Kill with those three all right, all right, I like it. 352 00:15:55,960 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 2: I think I'm fucking the hot guy okay, because that's. 353 00:16:01,960 --> 00:16:04,360 Speaker 1: Like a one and done and like right. 354 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:10,600 Speaker 2: I gotta kill money or marry like killer marry money 355 00:16:10,639 --> 00:16:16,960 and funny. I feel like I gotta I gotta kill 356 00:16:16,960 --> 00:16:18,840 the money and I gotta marry funny. 357 00:16:19,039 --> 00:16:21,799 Speaker 1: I like that. I like that howlpoy. Is it for 358 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:23,799 the Is it for the guy to make the first move? 359 00:16:26,440 --> 00:16:30,840 Speaker 2: I have a fairly like forward personality, so well, it 360 00:16:30,879 --> 00:16:32,600 feels it always feels good for the guy to make 361 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:33,200 the first move. 362 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:34,879 Speaker 1: I like making the first. 363 00:16:34,679 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 2: Move because I'm fairly like adventurous and. 364 00:16:38,480 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 3: Out there in bubbler. 365 00:16:39,519 --> 00:16:41,279 Speaker 6: Do you think what this is kind of an option 366 00:16:41,399 --> 00:16:44,120 to that question. In this day and age, guys don't 367 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:46,840 seem as forward. Yeah. 368 00:16:47,039 --> 00:16:49,799 Speaker 5: I think people are really scared to make mistakes, right. 369 00:16:49,799 --> 00:16:52,519 Speaker 2: I think people are really scared and to say something 370 00:16:52,559 --> 00:16:55,720 and get accused of something. And I, you know, I 371 00:16:55,720 --> 00:16:57,000 say this a lot of like I'm wishing we all 372 00:16:57,000 --> 00:17:00,120 are heard each other a little more like goodwill. 373 00:16:59,720 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 5: And and from a place of good faith and said, hey, we're. 374 00:17:02,679 --> 00:17:04,519 Speaker 1: All just have a kind of a good time. I 375 00:17:04,599 --> 00:17:09,480 love it. Can you smell desperation? I can't do. I 376 00:17:09,559 --> 00:17:10,000 exude it. 377 00:17:10,440 --> 00:17:11,039 Speaker 3: No, you did not. 378 00:17:13,759 --> 00:17:14,359 Speaker 1: Text or call? 379 00:17:15,279 --> 00:17:15,640 Speaker 5: Text? 380 00:17:16,480 --> 00:17:16,920 Speaker 3: All right? 381 00:17:17,160 --> 00:17:19,359 Speaker 1: And how long do you wait to tell a guy 382 00:17:19,440 --> 00:17:22,599 what you do? I know you've been in a relationship. 383 00:17:22,720 --> 00:17:25,119 Speaker 5: For a long time with another porn performer, so okay, 384 00:17:26,000 --> 00:17:26,319 but I. 385 00:17:26,440 --> 00:17:28,519 Speaker 2: Say it right away because if you if somebody's not 386 00:17:28,559 --> 00:17:31,519 going to be okay with that, that's his business. 387 00:17:32,279 --> 00:17:33,920 Speaker 5: I think you're dumb as if you're not okay with that. 388 00:17:34,519 --> 00:17:36,759 Speaker 2: But I'm not going to waste my time on somebody 389 00:17:36,759 --> 00:17:38,640 who doesn't respect me. 390 00:17:38,720 --> 00:17:41,319 Speaker 1: Or appreciate what I do right right, okay? And lastly, 391 00:17:42,039 --> 00:17:43,559 where can people find you? 392 00:17:44,240 --> 00:17:49,079 Speaker 2: They can find me on Twitter at hazey page. They 393 00:17:49,079 --> 00:17:52,599 can find me on Instagram at the Hazel page, and 394 00:17:52,640 --> 00:17:53,079 they can. 395 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:54,920 Speaker 5: Find me everywhere at bio dot. 396 00:17:54,799 --> 00:17:56,200 Speaker 1: Site, slash page. 397 00:17:57,279 --> 00:18:01,400 Speaker 4: That was Dating Tips from porn Stars. Now back to 398 00:18:01,440 --> 00:18:04,680 another and podcast with Izzy Presley. 399 00:18:08,839 --> 00:18:13,079 Speaker 1: Hazel Page Dating Tips with Porn Stars. I gotta fucking 400 00:18:13,119 --> 00:18:16,960 love it. So you're obviously an East Coast guy. Yeah, 401 00:18:17,079 --> 00:18:19,839 we're on the East Coast, Boston, Boston. Yeah, oh yeah, 402 00:18:19,920 --> 00:18:20,680 you a sports guy. 403 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:25,039 Speaker 5: I mean sports I follow mostly would be like UFC 404 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:28,839 or boxing or hockey hockey of course, uh you know, 405 00:18:28,880 --> 00:18:32,839 by default definitely Patriots and Red Sox of course Bruins. 406 00:18:32,880 --> 00:18:35,039 But yeah, I don't follow sports too much. 407 00:18:36,680 --> 00:18:39,160 Speaker 1: Well, it's so much easier now because it's all on 408 00:18:39,200 --> 00:18:39,720 the internet. 409 00:18:39,880 --> 00:18:42,039 Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, highlight you can catch them real quick. 410 00:18:42,119 --> 00:18:43,599 Speaker 1: Yeah. Well you know, I got Hulu so I can 411 00:18:43,599 --> 00:18:45,920 watch my Minnesota Wild games. You know. Yeah, it's just 412 00:18:45,960 --> 00:18:46,839 stupid shit like that. 413 00:18:47,039 --> 00:18:49,440 Speaker 5: So I mean I do watch every you know, all 414 00:18:49,480 --> 00:18:52,960 the pay per views UFC and boxing cots. Yeah. 415 00:18:53,079 --> 00:18:54,319 Speaker 1: How long have you been here in Vegas? 416 00:18:55,119 --> 00:18:57,720 Speaker 5: Since I was a teenager? Okay, my family moved out 417 00:18:57,720 --> 00:18:58,400 here to Vegas. 418 00:18:58,559 --> 00:19:02,160 Speaker 1: Well, so as a teenage back when Vegas was still 419 00:19:02,839 --> 00:19:05,839 kind of a it's really losing its luster now because 420 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:09,559 they're just you know, shanking US locals. But what was 421 00:19:09,599 --> 00:19:11,160 it like as a teenager living out here? 422 00:19:13,039 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 5: So I lived kind of you know, not close to 423 00:19:16,400 --> 00:19:21,039 the strip, so more out in the desert, but it 424 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:27,640 was you know, ah, it's a cool place to be 425 00:19:27,839 --> 00:19:30,279 as a as a teenager because there's a lot going on. Yeah, 426 00:19:31,000 --> 00:19:32,880 it was always cool bands coming through when they had 427 00:19:32,880 --> 00:19:36,400 the joint at the Hard rock. There were bands, all 428 00:19:36,480 --> 00:19:38,200 kinds of cool bands coming through, so that was that 429 00:19:38,319 --> 00:19:38,920 was a good time. 430 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:42,599 Speaker 1: So you joined Janie Lane at sixteen? How long have 431 00:19:42,640 --> 00:19:45,079 you had had you been playing guitar before that? 432 00:19:45,759 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 5: Yeah? 433 00:19:46,000 --> 00:19:46,839 Speaker 1: So did you start? 434 00:19:46,920 --> 00:19:50,559 Speaker 5: I started when I was six playing guitar just you know, 435 00:19:50,640 --> 00:19:53,799 my family was musical and I was into music, and 436 00:19:53,839 --> 00:19:56,279 they got me a guitar and that was I just 437 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:57,519 pretty much ran with it. 438 00:19:57,559 --> 00:20:02,480 Speaker 1: What was the who's the guitar player? That really made 439 00:20:02,519 --> 00:20:04,440 you kind of want to go to that next level? 440 00:20:04,480 --> 00:20:06,400 Was there somebody you just heard is like, holy fuck, 441 00:20:06,519 --> 00:20:07,000 that's it? 442 00:20:07,279 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 5: Well, like, you know, I was a kid in the nineties, 443 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:13,359 so yeah, I was young in the nineties. So when 444 00:20:13,400 --> 00:20:15,920 I would hear like driving with my dad and hear 445 00:20:15,960 --> 00:20:18,720 like Van Halen, like fishing through the glove box pulling 446 00:20:18,720 --> 00:20:23,240 out tapes at Van Halen, one was like, you know, 447 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:25,400 at five or six, seven years old or whatever, it 448 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:27,440 was like magic coming through the speakers. Like if I 449 00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:29,079 play guitar, how do I make it sound like that? 450 00:20:29,160 --> 00:20:30,920 You know what I mean? So that was my That 451 00:20:31,000 --> 00:20:33,880 was my number one. And then I loved all that 452 00:20:34,000 --> 00:20:37,039 music that was happening at the time. But I was 453 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:40,079 you know, my core, my root was like seventies eighties 454 00:20:40,480 --> 00:20:45,319 guitar playing, guitar driven stuff. But then I loved, like, 455 00:20:46,119 --> 00:20:48,359 you know, they had these cool radio stations of Boston, 456 00:20:48,599 --> 00:20:51,039 I think WAAF and like ninety four h j Y 457 00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:54,240 and they were all you know, Allison Chains and Metallica 458 00:20:54,359 --> 00:20:57,240 and you know, all the stuff that was happening at 459 00:20:57,279 --> 00:21:00,559 that time. So I loved all that. But Eddie was 460 00:21:00,599 --> 00:21:02,640 my guy, and then I developed, and then I discovered 461 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:06,640 like you know, of course, of course Zach was number 462 00:21:06,640 --> 00:21:10,200 one up there, and but like Warranty Mattini and George 463 00:21:10,279 --> 00:21:13,160 Lynch and John Pertrucci was was big for me because 464 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:17,839 Dream Theater was like my first, you know, discovery of Prague. 465 00:21:18,599 --> 00:21:20,599 So and I spent a lot of time with his 466 00:21:20,680 --> 00:21:23,440 Rock Discipline book, like in my later years when I 467 00:21:23,440 --> 00:21:26,440 could understand what all that actually how to use all that, 468 00:21:26,920 --> 00:21:29,519 I try to try to use all that. But yeah, 469 00:21:29,559 --> 00:21:31,680 those are some some of my guys. Paul Gilbert for sure, 470 00:21:32,920 --> 00:21:36,160 but yeah, and then like Johnny Winter and John Sykes 471 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:38,640 and all those, all those guys. 472 00:21:39,599 --> 00:21:42,000 Speaker 1: Is it tough for you to not try to not overplay? 473 00:21:44,279 --> 00:21:47,759 Speaker 5: I you know what I just play and whatever's whatever's 474 00:21:47,880 --> 00:21:51,079 coming out, or I'm just whatever, you know, I'm playing 475 00:21:51,079 --> 00:21:53,359 for the song or whatever song working on. I'm just 476 00:21:53,359 --> 00:21:56,079 writing for the song without without any thought. I'm just 477 00:21:56,160 --> 00:21:58,440 kind of when I listened to the whole thing as 478 00:21:58,480 --> 00:22:01,519 a cohesive, you know piece, it's like, does this all 479 00:22:01,559 --> 00:22:02,799 work together? Yeah? 480 00:22:03,279 --> 00:22:05,559 Speaker 1: When did you get on Mike Mike Varney's radar? 481 00:22:08,440 --> 00:22:10,400 Speaker 5: Trying to think of the timeframe, I think it was 482 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:14,039 maybe either I was playing with Janey or right before 483 00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:17,119 I was playing with Janey. I was young teenager, yeah, 484 00:22:17,160 --> 00:22:22,200 fourteen fifteen, sixteen years old, somewhere around there. And I 485 00:22:22,240 --> 00:22:27,279 forget exactly how, but I remember meeting ron Mancuzo around 486 00:22:27,279 --> 00:22:31,920 that time, and Mike was a Vegas guy happening. And 487 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:33,640 then I had just moved out here in Vegas and 488 00:22:33,640 --> 00:22:37,200 I was playing guitar, and I would play some shows 489 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:40,799 around town when I was like, you know, just coming up, 490 00:22:40,839 --> 00:22:42,960 Like I would sit in with like the Sin City Sinners. 491 00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:44,240 We're an awesome band around that. 492 00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:45,640 Speaker 1: Time, yeah, Brent Musky, Yeah, and. 493 00:22:45,599 --> 00:22:47,880 Speaker 5: I think Mike came out to a few of those, 494 00:22:47,920 --> 00:22:50,920 if I'm remembering correctly. And then yeah, just we kept 495 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:52,440 in touch and I would send him songs that I 496 00:22:52,480 --> 00:22:55,839 was working on and then you know, at that that 497 00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,720 first album twenty thirteen, I was playing with Lizzie Boyden 498 00:22:58,759 --> 00:23:01,799 at that time. Yeah, after Janey and I was like, cool, yeah, 499 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,079 let's let's let's make an album happen. And then uh, 500 00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:05,640 that's when I met Mike. 501 00:23:05,759 --> 00:23:09,680 Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh so how did the Jennie Lane thing happen? 502 00:23:10,480 --> 00:23:13,720 Because sixteen years old, you know, you don't expect to 503 00:23:13,759 --> 00:23:16,279 be going on the road with you know, this guy 504 00:23:16,359 --> 00:23:18,599 that was a fucking icon in the eighties, you know 505 00:23:18,640 --> 00:23:19,039 what I mean. 506 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:23,400 Speaker 5: So you know, I was playing guitar since I was young, 507 00:23:23,599 --> 00:23:25,680 and when I got into the middle school, that's all 508 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:28,119 I thought about was playing guitar. I just thought I 509 00:23:28,160 --> 00:23:30,640 was gonna be a guitar player, Like you know, if 510 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,200 somebody I'm gonna be a doctor, I'm gonna play football, 511 00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,720 I'm gonna do whatever. I just I thought guitar playing. 512 00:23:35,799 --> 00:23:40,319 So like in the summers, or I'd come home from school, 513 00:23:40,400 --> 00:23:42,519 do homework, play guitar, and then in the summers I'd 514 00:23:42,559 --> 00:23:44,960 wake up play guitar. I'd walk across the hall play 515 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,519 guitarering and that all day, and my dad like, you 516 00:23:47,519 --> 00:23:49,039 gotta come down to have dinner and then I did 517 00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:53,759 that all summer, so so my space was big at 518 00:23:53,759 --> 00:23:59,079 that time. Oh yeah, and yeah, and I saw an 519 00:23:59,119 --> 00:24:02,680 ad on the bulletin would that Janey was looking for 520 00:24:02,680 --> 00:24:05,640 a guitar player and being you know, I loved like 521 00:24:05,680 --> 00:24:09,519 the seventies eighties guitar rock metal that was happening, so 522 00:24:09,559 --> 00:24:12,240 I was into that. And uh. I sent a bunch 523 00:24:12,279 --> 00:24:15,480 of emails to this contact in that that ad on 524 00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:18,599 the bulletin board and uh they you know, they got 525 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:21,000 back to me and we started going back and forth 526 00:24:21,039 --> 00:24:22,559 and like, well, you know, we'll have you record some 527 00:24:22,599 --> 00:24:26,160 warrant songs and send them over to us. So I 528 00:24:26,240 --> 00:24:28,640 recorded the warrant songs. I panned my guitar one side 529 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,960 and the song on the other side. Yeah, and uh 530 00:24:32,480 --> 00:24:35,240 uh they dug it said like, why don't you just 531 00:24:35,279 --> 00:24:37,359 come out and we can have you jam with Janey. 532 00:24:37,440 --> 00:24:39,440 And I met him in a rehearsal room and uh 533 00:24:39,559 --> 00:24:42,200 in Hollywood, and he played drums because he was an awesome. 534 00:24:41,920 --> 00:24:43,559 Speaker 1: Drums oah, yeah, he was a lot of people don't 535 00:24:43,599 --> 00:24:43,839 know that. 536 00:24:43,960 --> 00:24:45,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, and I didn't know that at the time until 537 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:47,880 we were in that room and he was jamming, him 538 00:24:47,920 --> 00:24:50,200 singing like Uncle Tom's cabin and we were, you know, 539 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:52,240 he's playing drums and singing and we were just jamming 540 00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,000 on those Warrant songs. And uh yeah, a few weeks 541 00:24:55,079 --> 00:24:56,880 later we were we were out out doing it. 542 00:24:56,920 --> 00:24:59,839 Speaker 1: So were you geeking out a little bit on the inside? Ah, 543 00:25:00,000 --> 00:25:02,319 I'm I'm not sure. 544 00:25:02,319 --> 00:25:04,000 Speaker 5: You know, I'm not sure if I was. When I 545 00:25:04,000 --> 00:25:05,559 think back, I was young, you know what I mean. 546 00:25:06,119 --> 00:25:08,279 Speaker 1: That's why I asked, Yeah, you know, you're a fan 547 00:25:08,319 --> 00:25:09,960 of the music, and all of a sudden you're playing 548 00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:10,799 with Jennie Lane. 549 00:25:10,880 --> 00:25:13,119 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not sure if I realized like the extent, 550 00:25:13,240 --> 00:25:16,839 I was just like hyped on playing guitar and shamming 551 00:25:16,880 --> 00:25:19,880 and playing songs that I you know, we're familiar with. 552 00:25:19,920 --> 00:25:22,640 Speaker 1: And yeah, did you have a cocky attitude at all? 553 00:25:23,839 --> 00:25:24,640 Speaker 5: I wouldn't say so. 554 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:27,759 Speaker 1: Well that's good, Yeah, that's good. You know, you're sixteen 555 00:25:27,799 --> 00:25:30,720 years old and all of a sudden you're that fucking good. 556 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:33,079 Then you get this, you know, you get this gig. 557 00:25:33,160 --> 00:25:35,720 So it's like every once in a while somebody like 558 00:25:35,720 --> 00:25:37,599 that will get a chip on their shoulder, you. 559 00:25:37,519 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 5: Know what I mean. And I wouldn't say so, I 560 00:25:39,039 --> 00:25:41,599 was this wide eyed opened to you just psyched to 561 00:25:41,599 --> 00:25:44,160 be out there, and those guys you know in the band. 562 00:25:44,000 --> 00:25:45,960 Speaker 1: Were and you played with Troy Patrick Farrell. 563 00:25:46,200 --> 00:25:49,839 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, exactly, he was. That was like when I 564 00:25:49,839 --> 00:25:54,240 first started playing with Janey, he was the main drama. Yeah, 565 00:25:54,319 --> 00:25:57,759 and then later on it became Mike Fasano, but yeah, 566 00:25:57,759 --> 00:25:59,359 Troy was who I sat it with and we were 567 00:25:59,400 --> 00:26:03,119 rehearsing to other and Troy was awesome, and those guys 568 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:04,480 took me under the wing, you know what I mean, 569 00:26:04,559 --> 00:26:07,079 as big brothers. So I definitely learned a lot. 570 00:26:07,160 --> 00:26:09,559 Speaker 1: Troy definitely some one of the best set of hair 571 00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,200 in rock and roll and the best smelling hair in 572 00:26:12,279 --> 00:26:12,799 rock and roll. 573 00:26:12,920 --> 00:26:14,759 Speaker 5: Troy was awesome. And now he's a vague guy and 574 00:26:14,759 --> 00:26:18,279 I see him everywhere, just just randomly. 575 00:26:17,799 --> 00:26:20,200 Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, he actually he plays with my Israeli 576 00:26:20,240 --> 00:26:22,200 tribute every once in a while, okay, right, Yeah, it's 577 00:26:22,240 --> 00:26:23,559 a lot of fun. It's a lot of fun. So 578 00:26:23,839 --> 00:26:28,559 then so you move on from Janey to Lizzie And 579 00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,440 how did that transition happen? Was was there like a 580 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,599 a time in between the two And then how did 581 00:26:34,640 --> 00:26:36,240 you get on Lizzie's radar? 582 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,640 Speaker 5: Yeah? So after Janey, I had I had a band 583 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:44,039 rolling and then uh, like we did a festival, we 584 00:26:44,319 --> 00:26:48,119 played Rocklahoma. We were doing a few few things, and then, uh, 585 00:26:49,160 --> 00:26:52,319 a mutual friend of myself and Matt Anderson, who is 586 00:26:52,319 --> 00:26:55,319 the bass player for Lizzie at the time, had said, like, 587 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:59,599 Lizzie Boyd's looking for a guitar player, and uh, Lizzie's 588 00:26:59,680 --> 00:27:02,880 music like he's had awesome guitar plays along the way, 589 00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,240 you know what I mean. So that was a very 590 00:27:05,240 --> 00:27:08,079 exciting thing. And so I started talking to Martin and 591 00:27:08,119 --> 00:27:10,720 then that he's like, same kind of thing. Well, why 592 00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:13,000 don't you come out to la and uh, we can 593 00:27:13,079 --> 00:27:15,119 jam and we'll go from there. So I learned some 594 00:27:15,359 --> 00:27:18,240 Lizzie songs, went out there and we jammed in there 595 00:27:18,279 --> 00:27:22,279 room in Hollywood, and yeah, that went that went fast. 596 00:27:22,279 --> 00:27:25,039 Speaker 1: Were you were you familiar with Lizzie before that, because 597 00:27:25,079 --> 00:27:26,920 I mean he's not I mean, I love Lizzie to death, 598 00:27:26,920 --> 00:27:31,279 but he's not exactly a household name. But he's phenomenal. Yeah, 599 00:27:31,319 --> 00:27:34,799 I mean I'm old. You know. I discovered him on 600 00:27:34,960 --> 00:27:36,880 you know, A fucking Headbanger's Bald And then in the 601 00:27:37,319 --> 00:27:40,359 Decline of Whistlen Civilization Part two, the Medal Years, That's 602 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:42,279 how I knew of Lizzie Bordon, you know, and he 603 00:27:42,319 --> 00:27:44,319 didn't have a lot of like me against the World. 604 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:45,960 Was on the radio a little bit here and there, 605 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:48,160 but so he was he was he on your radar? 606 00:27:48,240 --> 00:27:49,000 Were you familiar? 607 00:27:49,319 --> 00:27:51,200 Speaker 5: I was familiar a little bit. I wasn't familiar with 608 00:27:51,240 --> 00:27:53,640 like his whole catalog, And as I started learning it 609 00:27:53,680 --> 00:27:55,480 and digging, it was like, Wow, this stuff is awesome. 610 00:27:56,880 --> 00:28:00,000 But yeah, no, that was like learning that was challenge 611 00:28:00,079 --> 00:28:02,279 doing as a guitar player, and uh and it was 612 00:28:02,319 --> 00:28:05,319 an awesome thing because those players were awesome. 613 00:28:05,680 --> 00:28:07,640 Speaker 1: Yeah, what challenges you? 614 00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:11,680 Speaker 5: I mean when I was learning that at that time, 615 00:28:11,720 --> 00:28:14,759 there's you know, anything that you're learning as a guitar 616 00:28:14,799 --> 00:28:18,480 player that you know we all have, like you have 617 00:28:18,559 --> 00:28:21,400 your certain patterns and your certain licks and shape. So yeah, 618 00:28:21,480 --> 00:28:23,960 a picking technique that is like a muscle memory thing. 619 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,160 So anything that is different at first, it's like, oh, 620 00:28:26,279 --> 00:28:27,680 let me get my head around that for a second, 621 00:28:27,720 --> 00:28:29,279 you know what I mean. But then that helps you 622 00:28:29,279 --> 00:28:32,799 grow your chops. So yeah, learning that stuff was awesome. 623 00:28:33,039 --> 00:28:36,920 Speaker 1: And so and this is pre being able to find 624 00:28:37,000 --> 00:28:40,400 tab anywhere on the internet for whatever fucking song you want. 625 00:28:40,480 --> 00:28:42,200 So you had to look pretty had to learn this 626 00:28:42,240 --> 00:28:43,240 all ship by ear right. 627 00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:46,599 Speaker 5: Uh, I'm trying to remember. Yeah, I probably learned a 628 00:28:46,640 --> 00:28:49,279 lot of it by I and I think a couple 629 00:28:49,319 --> 00:28:53,400 of years into the band, the drummer Joey gave me like, oh, yeah, 630 00:28:53,559 --> 00:28:55,839 we have like this tab book like a Lizzie Boyd, 631 00:28:56,119 --> 00:28:58,440 you know, like a pro tabook like I couldn't I 632 00:28:58,440 --> 00:28:59,759 could have used this two years ago. 633 00:29:00,079 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, but it's so funny. Though it's a 634 00:29:03,279 --> 00:29:04,039 lot of that sh it's not. 635 00:29:04,039 --> 00:29:07,880 Speaker 5: Usually right, Uh, yeah, you always use in your Yeah, 636 00:29:08,000 --> 00:29:10,119 sometimes it helps give you like an idea or like 637 00:29:10,160 --> 00:29:12,440 a placement, like oh maybe it is right in that 638 00:29:12,680 --> 00:29:14,839 out of the scale rather than like the same scale 639 00:29:14,880 --> 00:29:15,960 other end of the neck or whatever. 640 00:29:16,000 --> 00:29:18,839 Speaker 1: But right, yeah, Yeah, it's like, for instance, I still 641 00:29:18,880 --> 00:29:22,119 play Ace's part in Detroit Rock City different than Ace 642 00:29:22,160 --> 00:29:24,839 plays it. It sounds the same. Yeah, But that's how 643 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:26,359 it was in the tab book, and that's how I 644 00:29:26,400 --> 00:29:28,559 always played it. Now I can't play it the other way. 645 00:29:28,640 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, now you're comfortable with that. 646 00:29:30,119 --> 00:29:33,359 Speaker 1: Zach Well, The best story I ever had about tabs 647 00:29:33,759 --> 00:29:36,480 I would see Queens Rich and we were Michael Wilton 648 00:29:36,880 --> 00:29:40,759 passed me up backstage afterwards, and I asked him, it's like, 649 00:29:41,680 --> 00:29:43,680 first time you saw your shit written out in tab? 650 00:29:43,759 --> 00:29:47,000 Was it right? He just looked, he goes, no, you know, 651 00:29:47,279 --> 00:29:51,839 so it's just pretty fucking wild stuff. What else do 652 00:29:51,920 --> 00:29:55,759 we got here? What else do we got here? So 653 00:29:55,839 --> 00:29:57,720 you moved on from Lizzie? Of course we have to 654 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:01,960 talk about Zach. How long between Lizzy because it was 655 00:30:02,000 --> 00:30:04,319 after Lizzie did yourself with Varney? 656 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:08,119 Speaker 5: Yeah, so after Lizzy, well, well during when I was 657 00:30:08,119 --> 00:30:10,880 playing with Lizzy, Uh, that's when Varney. Yeah, I had 658 00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:15,160 that first instrumental album come out, which is twenty thirteen. Yeah, 659 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:18,839 so I was talking to Blasco, who managed his Black label, 660 00:30:19,519 --> 00:30:21,799 but I was talking to him just about that instrumental album. 661 00:30:21,920 --> 00:30:25,000 Just I was emailing back and forth with him, and 662 00:30:25,039 --> 00:30:26,880 then it was just like it just happened to be 663 00:30:26,920 --> 00:30:31,480 the time that Black label was looking for a guitar player. Yeah, 664 00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:35,319 which was you know that was to jam with Zach 665 00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,240 was very exciting right right now when. 666 00:30:37,119 --> 00:30:39,720 Speaker 1: You get starstruck then because I mean, this is fucking 667 00:30:39,759 --> 00:30:42,000 Zach Wilde again. 668 00:30:42,039 --> 00:30:43,680 Speaker 5: I'm just I was just psyched, you know what I mean, 669 00:30:44,240 --> 00:30:48,400 like they you know, same kind of process. But I 670 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,400 recorded videos, I set of just audio, So like, yeah, 671 00:30:51,480 --> 00:30:54,319 I did, uh you know. Blask was like, well, you know, 672 00:30:54,359 --> 00:30:56,039 do some videos and send them out to us, and 673 00:30:56,359 --> 00:30:59,599 I recorded some, playing some Black Label songs and also 674 00:30:59,680 --> 00:31:02,519 some of Zack's Book of Shadows, like I was singing 675 00:31:02,519 --> 00:31:04,279 and playing acoustics. Just sent a few of those over 676 00:31:05,759 --> 00:31:07,799 and then a couple of weeks later, they're like, yeah, 677 00:31:07,799 --> 00:31:09,640 we'd love to have you come out and meet Zach. 678 00:31:09,759 --> 00:31:14,559 So I mean I had met Zach very casually out 679 00:31:14,599 --> 00:31:16,599 here and there, but that was like, you know, I 680 00:31:16,599 --> 00:31:19,480 could say, my first time officially hanging with him and 681 00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:23,400 talking with him, and you know, we didn't play because 682 00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:25,279 he saw the videos, so we just kind of hung 683 00:31:25,279 --> 00:31:28,000 out and uh yeah, that was That was eleven years ago. 684 00:31:28,119 --> 00:31:32,480 Speaker 1: So yeah, what what was you said? You had met 685 00:31:32,559 --> 00:31:37,000 him before that, But was there like any expectations of 686 00:31:37,039 --> 00:31:39,440 how he thought he was going to be compared to 687 00:31:39,599 --> 00:31:40,160 how he was? 688 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,400 Speaker 5: I'm not sure. I mean, you know, we all. 689 00:31:45,240 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 1: Have perceptions about what these fucking rock stars that we 690 00:31:47,799 --> 00:31:49,319 look up to were, like you know what I. 691 00:31:49,240 --> 00:31:54,119 Speaker 5: Mean, Yeah, he's just been awesome and and so cool 692 00:31:54,160 --> 00:31:55,920 from the very beginning since I sat it with him. 693 00:31:55,920 --> 00:32:01,359 So yeah, how has that run Ben been amazing. Yeah, yeah, 694 00:32:01,519 --> 00:32:06,079 we've done a lot with him and yeah, it's it's awesome. 695 00:32:06,799 --> 00:32:10,599 Speaker 1: And then because of what he's doing right now, how 696 00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:13,680 long until he do you think? Is uh, until we 697 00:32:14,160 --> 00:32:15,680 see some more black label stuff. 698 00:32:16,960 --> 00:32:20,160 Speaker 5: There'll be stuff, but I think next year okay probably more. 699 00:32:20,240 --> 00:32:23,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, all right, and until then, you guys, 700 00:32:23,240 --> 00:32:25,599 make sure you check out that Dark Chapel record pre 701 00:32:25,799 --> 00:32:29,200 order it is it available just on is it just 702 00:32:29,680 --> 00:32:32,240 streaming or do you have CDs, vinyl and all that 703 00:32:32,279 --> 00:32:32,720 kind of stuff. 704 00:32:32,799 --> 00:32:35,359 Speaker 5: Yes, physical, So we have vinyl, we have CDs, and 705 00:32:35,359 --> 00:32:37,599 there's a few variants in the vinyl, and then it'll 706 00:32:37,599 --> 00:32:40,240 be streaming on whatever, you know, wherever you listen to music, 707 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:46,240 whether it's Spotify, Apple Music, whatever, it'll be everywhere. Cassettes, no, no, cassettes. Yeah, 708 00:32:46,319 --> 00:32:48,440 people are doing cassettes. Yeah, yeah, no, that'd be a 709 00:32:48,440 --> 00:32:51,400 cool thing. I think the Doom Crew incorporated the last 710 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:55,079 black label album, we had a cassette also, But yeah, vinyl, 711 00:32:55,119 --> 00:32:57,039 CD and digital for doc Chapple and. 712 00:32:57,160 --> 00:32:58,920 Speaker 1: People want to get that. Where can they get that? 713 00:32:59,759 --> 00:33:03,680 Speaker 5: So you can go to docchapelband dot com and that'll 714 00:33:03,680 --> 00:33:04,640 link you to everywhere. 715 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:08,039 Speaker 1: Sounds great and they want to find you on socials 716 00:33:08,160 --> 00:33:09,319 and the band on socials. 717 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 5: Yeah, just Doc Chapel band on everywhere, Instagram, YouTube, whatever, 718 00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:17,680 and just my name at Instagram or wherever you'll find 719 00:33:17,680 --> 00:33:18,079 that also. 720 00:33:18,359 --> 00:33:20,799 Speaker 1: All right, man, I love it, Dario Arena, thank you 721 00:33:20,880 --> 00:33:23,680 so much. Man, I really appreciate it. Check out that 722 00:33:23,799 --> 00:33:25,799 record and if you're listening to the audio, you're gonna 723 00:33:25,799 --> 00:33:27,799 hear a little bit of glass Heart as we're going out. 724 00:33:27,799 --> 00:33:31,519 If you're watching the video, you're getting the red regular outro. 725 00:33:31,799 --> 00:33:35,119 So because I don't want to get tagged, I do 726 00:33:35,279 --> 00:33:37,599 not want to get tagged. We'll see you guys next 727 00:33:37,599 --> 00:33:42,240 week and on the Patreon you'll probably have about three 728 00:33:42,279 --> 00:33:46,519 more shows before you get another show like this. So 729 00:33:46,640 --> 00:33:48,920 thank you guys very much. My name is Izzi Presley 730 00:33:49,000 --> 00:33:52,559 Dariol Arena. What I lack in talent I make up 731 00:33:52,559 --> 00:33:53,160 for in the cock. 732 00:33:54,160 --> 00:33:55,240 Speaker 5: Can we play hollow Smile? 733 00:33:55,839 --> 00:33:58,079 Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, follow Smile here you go? 734 00:33:58,240 --> 00:34:01,119 Speaker 5: Yeah awesome And I want. 735 00:34:01,000 --> 00:34:08,960 Speaker 1: To be to hum a snag said the Humble side. 736 00:34:10,679 --> 00:34:17,639 Speaker 5: Said pray some of the songster 737 00:34:20,960 --> 00:34:23,000 Speaker 4: Nass ssid