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Yes I said it right, yeah, well from Black Label
Society and his brand new band called Dark Chapel. Gonna
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really quick, before we get into Dario here. In November,
there was the Las Vegas Guitar Trade Show here in
Las Vegas at Silverton, and we are doing it again.
I'm hosting the event. It is at the Silverton. It
is May thirtieth through June first. So, and the great
thing about this one you can actually buy shit. I'm like, ma'am,
or you just go and go, Okay, that's cool. All right,
there's a lot of people, Oh shit, drums. Fuck, you
can actually buy shit, walk out with shit. It's it
is fucking great. So in Studio got dariol Arena from
Black Label Society and Dark Chapel. The album is called
Spirit in the Glass. It comes out on February twenty eighth.
The single Glass Heart has been out since November eighth. No,
you've been with Zach since twenty fourteen. When did you
start writing for this and when did when did this
idea start first come into your head?
Speaker 5: Yeah? So, I mean I had this vision for Doc
Chapel for a while, just as I was demoing songs
and writing songs and singing songs. Goes to me, it's
like a continuation in a sense of the instrumental albums
that I've done. Now I'm just putting lyrics and vocals
in place of where a Caitas Sola would be during
the verse, you know what I mean. So, but Doc
Chapel has been like in the creation process for a
few years, so maybe twenty one twenty two areas about
when I started like putting it all together, and now
we're at this point. Now it's you know, I felt
like I was ready to.
Speaker 1: Yeah, is it? So when you're writing for this, is
it hard to not write like you're writing with Zach
and I mean with the rifts and all kind of
stuff to kind of bust out onto your own what
you like to do.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean for me, I'm just sitting down and
writing and whatever's coming out is coming out, So I'm
not really you know, I didn't have like a specific direction.
I just was like, whatever's coming out is natural, you
know what I mean. And as far as like the
black label stuff, Zach's right in that, so right, so
that's you know, that's his that's his thing. So you know,
he'll send me a pat and be like, uh, you know,
here's your solo section. Do your thing to it, and
you know, send it back. So that's that's how that
process goes. But yeah, if a doc chapel, I just
sat down and write, wrote, and whatever came out came out.
Speaker 1: Were you writing by yourself or you were were you
writing with the guys in the band.
Speaker 5: So I pretty much like rough draft it all out.
So I have a demo in pro tools and the power.
Speaker 1: Just flickered there a little bit, just flickered a little bit.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yes, ran outside, but uh yeah, So I just
demo it all out, rough drafted, and then I'll get
the melodies, vocals and everything rolling, and then uh you know,
then we'll get into a jam room and then it
comes to life as guys put their feeling their pats
on it. But as far as like arrangement with guitar
and stuff, it's it's all pretty pretty much for the
most part.
Speaker 1: The so like there's a lot of guys like Richie
Cottson for instance, that he writes and records everything himself,
so when but he'll have somebody commit every once in
a while for the bass and the drums. Do you
have an idea of what you want? Do you do
you put it down and go like play it exactly
like this or do you let kind of people have
their free Reign.
Speaker 5: You know, I'm sure as guitar players, we all kind
of hear the beat in the head that we're writing to,
so you kind of mouth it out and then the
guy just runs with it, you know what I mean.
It does this thing and adds his heads, adds his
feel to it. So that's that's kind of how it is. Yes,
the same same with bass.
Speaker 1: Who do you have playing in the band?
Speaker 5: So now, so half the album I actually recorded a
few years ago when when it was first getting going.
So those are some friends of mine, phenomenal musicians on
a handful of the songs. And then I was I
was continuing to write as it was coming together over
the years. I had some other friends of mine, just
guys here in Vegas and then now completing the lineup
with I Mike Gun playing bass, Lewis Silva playing drums,
and uh, my friend Dylan Dice playing guitar. So yeah,
so that's the lineup.
Speaker 1: And uh and you recorded the when you started working
on it again. You recorded this over at the Count's place.
Speaker 5: Right yeah. Uh, let me think of the time frame. Yeah,
the first half of it I did at Counts Stony
and Danny's.
Speaker 1: Yeah, Danny's the best too.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And I had killer engineer Fred working on it
with me, and and then when I came back to
do it, I did the second half for the most like,
for the most part over at Ron Mancuzo's studio seventy seven. Yeah.
I did a lot of vocals there and were recorded
in his drum room, which which was awesome. And then
I finished some of the guitar stuff and some of
the other pats over accounts for the remaining rest of
the album.
Speaker 1: But yeah, you had a Mike Varney help working on
it producing.
Speaker 5: Not on this one, because okay, yeah, I did two
instrumental albums with my right in the past and twenty thirteen,
twenty seventeen.
Speaker 1: But okay, so who produced this one?
Speaker 5: Then?
Speaker 1: Did you just produce it yourself?
Speaker 5: Yeah? Just self produced.
Speaker 1: Do you like working with the producer as as opposed
to doing it by yourself?
Speaker 5: I actually have never really worked with the producer. I
mean for me, I mean, you know, just as a
musician in general, you kind of have a direction of
what you're hearing. So I'm just putting it together and
then when we're in there, we're putting it together. And yeah,
everybody's kind of throwing in their idea as trying things
out or whatever. But yeah, I don't really think of
the word producer because you're just like making music and
at the end of it, it's how you wanted it
to come out right now, right.
Speaker 1: Well. The reason I asked that is because like there's
a lot of people that probably need a producer. Tell them, Okay,
that's wrong, even though you have it in your head,
you know. Then they but they do it themselves, and
it would have came out better had they had somebody
in their ear going no, no, no, just take a
listen to this, you know what I mean.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it is always nice to have sometimes
out an outside you know, ear to go you know what,
let's h let's pull that delay back a little bit
or let's you know whatever.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, the single Glass Heart has been out
since November eighth. How's how's the response been to it?
Speaker 3: Uh?
Speaker 5: Yeah, for for Glass Hot, I think it was Uh
I think no, no, you're right, I think it's been
I think it's been great. And uh I was psyched
for that one to be the first single because it
kind of had a different vibe to it, and uh,
like when we were calling, it was giving us like
soundtrack to a movie kind of vibes. Yeah, so I
was psyched on that one. And then now Hollow smiles
out and uh, that's like another totally heavy a feel,
you know. Yeah, And that's kind of the story the
whole album is, Like I feel like there's a lot
of different vibe on it. It can all fall under
one umbrella, like it's all it all feels the same,
but like you know, it's starts in one place, kind
of takes you somewhere else and ends in a different spot.
So yeah, I'm psyched on it.
Speaker 1: How how do you know? I know you? When did
you start singing? Because I heard you on Tronky you
talked about how you started taking lessons from somebody. Were
you singing before that? And did you have like Cottson
for instance, always comes back to Cottson and kiss for me.
But like Ritchie when he started singing, he his voice
was kind of based off Terrence Trent Darby, and if
you hear chance at Darby, you hear Cotson. But I
also hear Cotson in you when you started singing? Who
was there a like a A I don't know I'm trying.
How do I explain this? Was there like a vibe
you wanted to your voice or was it just kind
of this is just what it is.
Speaker 5: So when I was a teenager, like sixteen, I was
playing with Jennie Lance, so I was torn with Janney,
and at that time, all I thought about was guitar playing,
you know what I mean. And at that time, for me,
it was like thinking of singing. Thinking of a singer
felt like, Oh, singers just can open their mouth and
like they sound amazing, you know what I mean. So
I just was like, oh, I guess I'm just I
just play guitar, you know what I mean. But that's
all I was focused on. And when I was touring
with Janey, he would always joke me like, you know,
you gotta learn to play slide guitar and you got
to learn to sing. And that was like sixteen, seventeen
years old. Then I met somebody named Ron Feldman who
was a friend of Jane's, who was a vocal coach
of his when he was younger. And this was after
a show in Florida, and he was like saying, you know,
all right, I'm gonna show you how to sing. You
know what I mean. So it was just like eleven
thirty midnight or whatever in my hotel room and he's
giving me like vocal lessons, like showing me hand on
the chest and belly and how to breathe and whatever
and try to sing this scale. And I was horrible,
you know what I mean. Yeah, And then you know,
after that, I met with him once a week on
Skype and he was just showing me like how to
sing a scale and how to play the scale on
the piano and then like sing a verse of this
song while you play the acoustic and you know, just
working on it, developing it. And after that it was
just me working on it on my own and kind
of like I've written a ton of songs, you know
what I mean, of just demoing it and trying to
sing on it and demo it and try to sing
on it. And that's now evolved into Doc Chapel years later.
But as far as what I would, you know, I
love bluesy, you know, a bluesy vibe, and I love
motown and things like that, so I love that style
of singing. And as far as Richie Cosson, he was,
I listened to a lot of Richie Costs and he's
uh yeah, I mean he's phenomenal and I love his
style and oh nice. Yeah, so yeah, know he's he's
amazing in his songwriting and his feel and everything. So
I definitely listened to a lot of Richie over the years.
Speaker 1: How long do you take you to develop as a songwriter,
cause that's I mean, some people it just comes, and
then some people takes a little while and then okay,
now I get it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it's probably still developing, is think we
all are. Yeah, yeah, it's probably the right answer. But
I mean, you know, it's it's something that you're just
constantly doing. And there's probably a hundred songs that still
in my pro tools. It's like, out of those hundred,
I got this one, okay, and then in the next ten,
I got this one, and then that becomes ten of
Doc Chapel whatever. But writing for the instrumental stuff is
still like those two albums in the past is still
like I would consider that song writing because you're still
arranging and structuring music, yeah, and coming up with melody
if you're going to do you know, like on Death
of Tribulations, I had a lot of chorus melodies happening,
so you know, every one you do is just another
shoppings of chops just a little bit. So yeah, constantly,
always still working on that, but.
Speaker 1: Yeah, right and vocally did it come pretty quick?
Speaker 5: Like right, like singing on songs?
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, just just learning how to sing, because
again it's the same thing some people is just fucking natural.
And there's a reason I have an Ace Freely tribute band.
Speaker 5: Hey yeah, it's got a fucking talk like this. Yeah, yeah,
I mean anything, you know, just practiced and worked on
it and uh yeah, I mean that's pretty much that, right.
Speaker 1: And so the album comes out on the twenty eighth.
Has there been any seen, any buzz, felt, any buzz
around it? Yeah?
Speaker 5: I think it's I think it's gained some traction now
now that we have that second single out, and uh yeah,
I mean pretty much two weeks from you know, I
don't know whenever this comes out, but two weeks from
tomorrow's it'll be out.
Speaker 1: But yeah, and you guys know your first show, is
it the first dark Tapple show that's going to be
here in Vegas?
Speaker 5: Actually, yeah, So we did our first two shows a
couple of weeks ago, opening for Zak opening for the
Zach Sabbath shows. So those were our first two shows
as Doc Chapel and then March first in Vegas at
Vamped will be the album release show because then the
album will come out the day before February twenty eighth,
right that next night, Saturday night, March first, will be
at Vamped.
Speaker 1: And U Don Jamison is coming out to kind of
host that and do a little uh do a little set.
Is Is there any other bands on the bill or
is it just you guys and Don?
Speaker 5: Yeah, just Don Jamison and then Doc Schaffel. So it's
gonna be fun night.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna be cool. It's I tell you what
I do stand up too and getting up and doing
stand up in front of a rock crowd when especially
when they're not expecting it. That's fucking tough. You want
to talk about trying to set the fucking tone, It
is tough. Uh. Don was out here a couple of
months ago and he opened up for this Judas Priest
tribute at Dive Bar. He's like, is he go do
your five minutes? Like, oh, you need me to set
the fucking tone for you? I see all that is,
you know, was it. What was the idea about having
a comedian come out and do it instead of having
a band.
Speaker 5: I just thought I just thought it'd be fun. Yeah,
I mean, Don's awesome. I just thought it'd be a
good time.
Speaker 1: Yeah. How long have you known Don?
Speaker 5: I don't know if I could tell you, but I've
known him for a long time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm just.
Speaker 5: You know, because he's friendly with a lot of the
black label guys. Yeah, and Brian Slagel slaves the now
A Vegas guys. So yeah, I've known Don for a
long time.
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to take a short break and we are going to
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we're on the East Coast, Boston, Boston. Yeah, oh yeah,
you a sports guy.
Speaker 5: I mean sports I follow mostly would be like UFC
or boxing or hockey hockey of course, uh you know,
by default definitely Patriots and Red Sox of course Bruins.
But yeah, I don't follow sports too much.
Speaker 1: Well, it's so much easier now because it's all on
the internet.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know, highlight you can catch them real quick.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well you know, I got Hulu so I can
watch my Minnesota Wild games. You know. Yeah, it's just
stupid shit like that.
Speaker 5: So I mean I do watch every you know, all
the pay per views UFC and boxing cots. Yeah.
Speaker 1: How long have you been here in Vegas?
Speaker 5: Since I was a teenager? Okay, my family moved out
here to Vegas.
Speaker 1: Well, so as a teenage back when Vegas was still
kind of a it's really losing its luster now because
they're just you know, shanking US locals. But what was
it like as a teenager living out here?
Speaker 5: So I lived kind of you know, not close to
the strip, so more out in the desert, but it
was you know, ah, it's a cool place to be
as a as a teenager because there's a lot going on. Yeah,
it was always cool bands coming through when they had
the joint at the Hard rock. There were bands, all
kinds of cool bands coming through, so that was that
was a good time.
Speaker 1: So you joined Janie Lane at sixteen? How long have
you had had you been playing guitar before that?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 1: So did you start?
Speaker 5: I started when I was six playing guitar just you know,
my family was musical and I was into music, and
they got me a guitar and that was I just
pretty much ran with it.
Speaker 1: What was the who's the guitar player? That really made
you kind of want to go to that next level?
Was there somebody you just heard is like, holy fuck,
that's it?
Speaker 5: Well, like, you know, I was a kid in the nineties,
so yeah, I was young in the nineties. So when
I would hear like driving with my dad and hear
like Van Halen, like fishing through the glove box pulling
out tapes at Van Halen, one was like, you know,
at five or six, seven years old or whatever, it
was like magic coming through the speakers. Like if I
play guitar, how do I make it sound like that?
You know what I mean? So that was my That
was my number one. And then I loved all that
music that was happening at the time. But I was
you know, my core, my root was like seventies eighties
guitar playing, guitar driven stuff. But then I loved, like,
you know, they had these cool radio stations of Boston,
I think WAAF and like ninety four h j Y
and they were all you know, Allison Chains and Metallica
and you know, all the stuff that was happening at
that time. So I loved all that. But Eddie was
my guy, and then I developed, and then I discovered
like you know, of course, of course Zach was number
one up there, and but like Warranty Mattini and George
Lynch and John Pertrucci was was big for me because
Dream Theater was like my first, you know, discovery of Prague.
So and I spent a lot of time with his
Rock Discipline book, like in my later years when I
could understand what all that actually how to use all that,
I try to try to use all that. But yeah,
those are some some of my guys. Paul Gilbert for sure,
but yeah, and then like Johnny Winter and John Sykes
and all those, all those guys.
Speaker 1: Is it tough for you to not try to not overplay?
Speaker 5: I you know what I just play and whatever's whatever's
coming out, or I'm just whatever, you know, I'm playing
for the song or whatever song working on. I'm just
writing for the song without without any thought. I'm just
kind of when I listened to the whole thing as
a cohesive, you know piece, it's like, does this all
work together? Yeah?
Speaker 1: When did you get on Mike Mike Varney's radar?
Speaker 5: Trying to think of the timeframe, I think it was
maybe either I was playing with Janey or right before
I was playing with Janey. I was young teenager, yeah,
fourteen fifteen, sixteen years old, somewhere around there. And I
forget exactly how, but I remember meeting ron Mancuzo around
that time, and Mike was a Vegas guy happening. And
then I had just moved out here in Vegas and
I was playing guitar, and I would play some shows
around town when I was like, you know, just coming up,
Like I would sit in with like the Sin City Sinners.
We're an awesome band around that.
Speaker 1: Time, yeah, Brent Musky, Yeah, and.
Speaker 5: I think Mike came out to a few of those,
if I'm remembering correctly. And then yeah, just we kept
in touch and I would send him songs that I
was working on and then you know, at that that
first album twenty thirteen, I was playing with Lizzie Boyden
at that time. Yeah, after Janey and I was like, cool, yeah,
let's let's let's make an album happen. And then uh,
that's when I met Mike.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Uh so how did the Jennie Lane thing happen?
Because sixteen years old, you know, you don't expect to
be going on the road with you know, this guy
that was a fucking icon in the eighties, you know
what I mean.
Speaker 5: So you know, I was playing guitar since I was young,
and when I got into the middle school, that's all
I thought about was playing guitar. I just thought I
was gonna be a guitar player, Like you know, if
somebody I'm gonna be a doctor, I'm gonna play football,
I'm gonna do whatever. I just I thought guitar playing.
So like in the summers, or I'd come home from school,
do homework, play guitar, and then in the summers I'd
wake up play guitar. I'd walk across the hall play
guitarering and that all day, and my dad like, you
gotta come down to have dinner and then I did
that all summer, so so my space was big at
that time. Oh yeah, and yeah, and I saw an
ad on the bulletin would that Janey was looking for
a guitar player and being you know, I loved like
the seventies eighties guitar rock metal that was happening, so
I was into that. And uh. I sent a bunch
of emails to this contact in that that ad on
the bulletin board and uh they you know, they got
back to me and we started going back and forth
and like, well, you know, we'll have you record some
warrant songs and send them over to us. So I
recorded the warrant songs. I panned my guitar one side
and the song on the other side. Yeah, and uh
uh they dug it said like, why don't you just
come out and we can have you jam with Janey.
And I met him in a rehearsal room and uh
in Hollywood, and he played drums because he was an awesome.
Speaker 1: Drums oah, yeah, he was a lot of people don't
know that.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and I didn't know that at the time until
we were in that room and he was jamming, him
singing like Uncle Tom's cabin and we were, you know,
he's playing drums and singing and we were just jamming
on those Warrant songs. And uh yeah, a few weeks
later we were we were out out doing it.
Speaker 1: So were you geeking out a little bit on the inside? Ah,
I'm I'm not sure.
Speaker 5: You know, I'm not sure if I was. When I
think back, I was young, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: That's why I asked, Yeah, you know, you're a fan
of the music, and all of a sudden you're playing
with Jennie Lane.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm not sure if I realized like the extent,
I was just like hyped on playing guitar and shamming
and playing songs that I you know, we're familiar with.
Speaker 1: And yeah, did you have a cocky attitude at all?
Speaker 5: I wouldn't say so.
Speaker 1: Well that's good, Yeah, that's good. You know, you're sixteen
years old and all of a sudden you're that fucking good.
Then you get this, you know, you get this gig.
So it's like every once in a while somebody like
that will get a chip on their shoulder, you.
Speaker 5: Know what I mean. And I wouldn't say so, I
was this wide eyed opened to you just psyched to
be out there, and those guys you know in the band.
Speaker 1: Were and you played with Troy Patrick Farrell.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, exactly, he was. That was like when I
first started playing with Janey, he was the main drama. Yeah,
and then later on it became Mike Fasano, but yeah,
Troy was who I sat it with and we were
rehearsing to other and Troy was awesome, and those guys
took me under the wing, you know what I mean,
as big brothers. So I definitely learned a lot.
Speaker 1: Troy definitely some one of the best set of hair
in rock and roll and the best smelling hair in
rock and roll.
Speaker 5: Troy was awesome. And now he's a vague guy and
I see him everywhere, just just randomly.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, he actually he plays with my Israeli
tribute every once in a while, okay, right, Yeah, it's
a lot of fun. It's a lot of fun. So
then so you move on from Janey to Lizzie And
how did that transition happen? Was was there like a
a time in between the two And then how did
you get on Lizzie's radar?
Speaker 5: Yeah? So after Janey, I had I had a band
rolling and then uh, like we did a festival, we
played Rocklahoma. We were doing a few few things, and then, uh,
a mutual friend of myself and Matt Anderson, who is
the bass player for Lizzie at the time, had said, like,
Lizzie Boyd's looking for a guitar player, and uh, Lizzie's
music like he's had awesome guitar plays along the way,
you know what I mean. So that was a very
exciting thing. And so I started talking to Martin and
then that he's like, same kind of thing. Well, why
don't you come out to la and uh, we can
jam and we'll go from there. So I learned some
Lizzie songs, went out there and we jammed in there
room in Hollywood, and yeah, that went that went fast.
Speaker 1: Were you were you familiar with Lizzie before that, because
I mean he's not I mean, I love Lizzie to death,
but he's not exactly a household name. But he's phenomenal. Yeah,
I mean I'm old. You know. I discovered him on
you know, A fucking Headbanger's Bald And then in the
Decline of Whistlen Civilization Part two, the Medal Years, That's
how I knew of Lizzie Bordon, you know, and he
didn't have a lot of like me against the World.
Was on the radio a little bit here and there,
but so he was he was he on your radar?
Were you familiar?
Speaker 5: I was familiar a little bit. I wasn't familiar with
like his whole catalog, And as I started learning it
and digging, it was like, Wow, this stuff is awesome.
But yeah, no, that was like learning that was challenge
doing as a guitar player, and uh and it was
an awesome thing because those players were awesome.
Speaker 1: Yeah, what challenges you?
Speaker 5: I mean when I was learning that at that time,
there's you know, anything that you're learning as a guitar
player that you know we all have, like you have
your certain patterns and your certain licks and shape. So yeah,
a picking technique that is like a muscle memory thing.
So anything that is different at first, it's like, oh,
let me get my head around that for a second,
you know what I mean. But then that helps you
grow your chops. So yeah, learning that stuff was awesome.
Speaker 1: And so and this is pre being able to find
tab anywhere on the internet for whatever fucking song you want.
So you had to look pretty had to learn this
all ship by ear right.
Speaker 5: Uh, I'm trying to remember. Yeah, I probably learned a
lot of it by I and I think a couple
of years into the band, the drummer Joey gave me like, oh, yeah,
we have like this tab book like a Lizzie Boyd,
you know, like a pro tabook like I couldn't I
could have used this two years ago.
Speaker 1: But yeah, yeah, but it's so funny. Though it's a
lot of that sh it's not.
Speaker 5: Usually right, Uh, yeah, you always use in your Yeah,
sometimes it helps give you like an idea or like
a placement, like oh maybe it is right in that
out of the scale rather than like the same scale
other end of the neck or whatever.
Speaker 1: But right, yeah, Yeah, it's like, for instance, I still
play Ace's part in Detroit Rock City different than Ace
plays it. It sounds the same. Yeah, But that's how
it was in the tab book, and that's how I
always played it. Now I can't play it the other way.
Speaker 5: Yeah, now you're comfortable with that.
Speaker 1: Zach Well, The best story I ever had about tabs
I would see Queens Rich and we were Michael Wilton
passed me up backstage afterwards, and I asked him, it's like,
first time you saw your shit written out in tab?
Was it right? He just looked, he goes, no, you know,
so it's just pretty fucking wild stuff. What else do
we got here? What else do we got here? So
you moved on from Lizzie? Of course we have to
talk about Zach. How long between Lizzy because it was
after Lizzie did yourself with Varney?
Speaker 5: Yeah, so after Lizzy, well, well during when I was
playing with Lizzy, Uh, that's when Varney. Yeah, I had
that first instrumental album come out, which is twenty thirteen. Yeah,
so I was talking to Blasco, who managed his Black label,
but I was talking to him just about that instrumental album.
Just I was emailing back and forth with him, and
then it was just like it just happened to be
the time that Black label was looking for a guitar player. Yeah,
which was you know that was to jam with Zach
was very exciting right right now when.
Speaker 1: You get starstruck then because I mean, this is fucking
Zach Wilde again.
Speaker 5: I'm just I was just psyched, you know what I mean,
like they you know, same kind of process. But I
recorded videos, I set of just audio, So like, yeah,
I did, uh you know. Blask was like, well, you know,
do some videos and send them out to us, and
I recorded some, playing some Black Label songs and also
some of Zack's Book of Shadows, like I was singing
and playing acoustics. Just sent a few of those over
and then a couple of weeks later, they're like, yeah,
we'd love to have you come out and meet Zach.
So I mean I had met Zach very casually out
here and there, but that was like, you know, I
could say, my first time officially hanging with him and
talking with him, and you know, we didn't play because
he saw the videos, so we just kind of hung
out and uh yeah, that was That was eleven years ago.
Speaker 1: So yeah, what what was you said? You had met
him before that, But was there like any expectations of
how he thought he was going to be compared to
how he was?
Speaker 5: I'm not sure. I mean, you know, we all.
Speaker 1: Have perceptions about what these fucking rock stars that we
look up to were, like you know what I.
Speaker 5: Mean, Yeah, he's just been awesome and and so cool
from the very beginning since I sat it with him.
So yeah, how has that run Ben been amazing. Yeah, yeah,
we've done a lot with him and yeah, it's it's awesome.
Speaker 1: And then because of what he's doing right now, how
long until he do you think? Is uh, until we
see some more black label stuff.
Speaker 5: There'll be stuff, but I think next year okay probably more.
Speaker 1: Yeah, all right, all right, and until then, you guys,
make sure you check out that Dark Chapel record pre
order it is it available just on is it just
streaming or do you have CDs, vinyl and all that
kind of stuff.
Speaker 5: Yes, physical, So we have vinyl, we have CDs, and
there's a few variants in the vinyl, and then it'll
be streaming on whatever, you know, wherever you listen to music,
whether it's Spotify, Apple Music, whatever, it'll be everywhere. Cassettes, no, no, cassettes. Yeah,
people are doing cassettes. Yeah, yeah, no, that'd be a
cool thing. I think the Doom Crew incorporated the last
black label album, we had a cassette also, But yeah, vinyl,
CD and digital for doc Chapple and.
Speaker 1: People want to get that. Where can they get that?
Speaker 5: So you can go to docchapelband dot com and that'll
link you to everywhere.
Speaker 1: Sounds great and they want to find you on socials
and the band on socials.
Speaker 5: Yeah, just Doc Chapel band on everywhere, Instagram, YouTube, whatever,
and just my name at Instagram or wherever you'll find
that also.
Speaker 1: All right, man, I love it, Dario Arena, thank you
so much. Man, I really appreciate it. Check out that
record and if you're listening to the audio, you're gonna
hear a little bit of glass Heart as we're going out.
If you're watching the video, you're getting the red regular outro.
So because I don't want to get tagged, I do
not want to get tagged. We'll see you guys next
week and on the Patreon you'll probably have about three
more shows before you get another show like this. So
thank you guys very much. My name is Izzi Presley
Dariol Arena. What I lack in talent I make up
for in the cock.
Speaker 5: Can we play hollow Smile?
Speaker 1: Yeah? Yeah, follow Smile here you go?
Speaker 5: Yeah awesome And I want.
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Speaker 5: Said pray some of the songster
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