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Speaker 1: What is going on? Clippers fans? Welcome to a post

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game live hangover at YouTube dot com Slash at Clippers Podcast.

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I am Chuck Mockler. William Uptick might join Adam Oslin.

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He's working. Who knows? The Clippers get yet another win

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versus the Golden State Warriors. This time it's one O

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two to ninety nine. This game ended in an incredibly

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stressful fashion. What exactly? Thank you, Brian. What a weird game.

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But I'll take a dub absolutely insane finish. I don't

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know who knows, Sorry, just putting this on Twitter. That

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was an incredibly weird game. The deck was kind of

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stacked against the Clippers. Curry was questionable, but then he

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ended up playing in this one Nokevon Looney, which was

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a big issue or I thought would have been a

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bigger issue for the Warriors. But again they only lost

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by three. The Clippers showed heart in this one. They

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had yet another ten point lead. They blew that because

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it is the modern NBA in this team is designed

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to blow leads, especially first quarter leads. But there was

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a lot of good stuff tonight. We saw the return

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of efficient Norm. He goes sixty. Norm late was absolutely

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incredible in this game. He hit at least two threes

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in the final six and a half minutes or so

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that were, I mean, incredibly important for the Clippers. Thankfully,

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Harden was on his assist game tonight, sixteen dimes, three turnovers,

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but you'll excuse those because he was able to find

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Norm who The Warriors just kept losing on the perimeter,

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which I don't know that's a very interesting strategy, but

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they were losing Norm on the perimeter, and that's where

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we're at. People in the chat, if you're listening to

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this on the audio afterwards, you could have hung out

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on video. People in chat are excited, Alan Ning saying, Wow,

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Clippers never ceased to amaze me. The Clippers are going

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to need some rest after this game. This was the

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second night of a back to back in James Harden

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played forty one minutes, which credit to James Harden for

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putting in the minutes that he did. Chris g says,

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cardiac clips, baby, Yes, what else was it going to

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be tonight if not an incredibly stressful win that We'll

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take this win. I mean, absolutely what happened? They played

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the worst team in the Western Conference yesterday tonight they

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played the best team. They have an incredibly inefficient shooting

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game from James Harden, but the bench was pretty solid

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in this one. You love to see what Terrence Man

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did late. He wasn't throughout the whole game, you know,

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it was kind of usual Terrence. But late Terrence Man

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was good in this one. There's still was some some

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hesitation he's not fully back yet or whatever, but late

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Terrence Man was fantastic, and I think that is It's

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good to see that happen from Terrence Man. The ending

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was disgusting. A mere coffee turned the ball over. The

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Warriors had a couple of chances to tie this game up,

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but they couldn't do it. Uh so we will move

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on and take this win. It was It's just good

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to see the Clippers not roll over again. Yeah, they

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were losing the Warriors, so it was interesting. Late in

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this game, the Clippers were blitzing Steph Curry on defense

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in the pick and roll, and then they were just collapsing.

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Anthony Lutis in the comments, He's correct, they were just

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collapsing on hardened incredibly intently. It was a lot and

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he found Norm and Norm was just open and he

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hit his threes because, as Caleb Simpkins is saying in

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the chat, Powell fourth quarter king is always. He had

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an incredible I can't remember what it was last year,

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but it was way above average fourth quarter three point

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shooting from Norm Powell, and you love to see it.

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These are this is the if you're surprised by how

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this game went, I don't know what to tell you.

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This is who the twenty four to twenty five Clippers

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are and that's where we're at. Right. There was a lot.

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There was some interesting stuff in this game. A Mere

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Coffee closing over Chris Dunn was odd, but it it

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almost didn't work out. It almost didn't work out in

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such a bad way. A Mere played some had some

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good defensive stuff late, he had timely buckets. He did

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not have an efficient night, and he was almost he

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turned the ball over in this one. But yeah, I

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think it shows this is a good call. Mikey Mike

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Ramirez saying we need another ball handler because they utilize

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Harden towards the closing minutes. We yes, like this is

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what happens, right, Like a guy who doesn't usually initiate

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the offense brings the ball up on the last possession

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of a three point game and he loses it. That

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is that is by the other team's design, is what

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that is. But it's it's not easy on hard. So yeah,

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this is this is a good point that Lance Johnson

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is bringing up. Tylo was visibly upset with James Harden

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on a home run pass to Terrence Man. I believe

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it was he's just he's kind of all I think

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someone on Twitter said, he's just kind of always going

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for like this kill shot. Apparently James Harden has been

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sick since the Houston Rockets game. Uh, Tyler said James

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Harden was sick tonight and he toughed it out. So

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I don't know if that explains the turnovers, but but

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it has something to think about. But Lance Johnson, you're

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not wrong. The there was some there was some anger

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from TYLERU on some really and we've seen it before,

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right against the Kings in a game that they won.

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some in game rest and stuff like that. It's incredibly fair.

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game turnovers that made things harder. But we have to

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live with it. We got it, we got We do

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have to fix them, I'm not saying that, but we

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have to just live with it. It's incredibly impressive to

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be at the Warriors twice. I could not agree more

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with that. Chris gu Well, it's the best wins on

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the Clippers on the Clippers resume right now. Joe depf saying,

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flew game, James, he didn't have a very good game

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of efficiency wise, though. Yes, it's were great. Oh that's hilarious. Yeah,

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this uh, this game started out, you know, the first half.

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The Clippers won turnovers by four. They were shooting fifty

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six percent from three. They finished this game shooting forty

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seven from three, so again above average. They held the

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Warriors to thirty six percent shooting. We lost the field

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goal in ten battle and that was entirely because of

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the late game turnovers and stuff like that. But a

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win is a win. They grinded the hell out of

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this one. Aviza Zubats, if it weren't for a poor

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shooting Night would have had one of his better games

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of the year. Seventeen boards in a game where you

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lose boards by six is very important. But he could

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not find the bottom of the rim tonight, which was difficult.

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Doesn't matter. The Clippers got the win. But those are

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things that you hope get fixed, right A Mire Coffee

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was huge lay and Terrence Man. Terrence Man was a

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plus ten. He was a second best plus minus. I

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know that's not a big stat. You know, you shouldn't

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use it as individual performances, but when you have ten

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five and six with two steals, you got to. You

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gotta give your hats off for Terrence Man in this game,

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you absolutely do. Yeah, z, you only took two shots

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in the half. It was insane. It was a wonky night.

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The Clippers were stuck in mud at one point in

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this game. For sure. This game almost got away from

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them if it wasn't for some timely buckets from from

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some bench guys. Niko Batoum had a couple of really

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clutch buckets in this one. Not during clutch time. The

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Clippers needed all three of his his threes. Excuse me,

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long weekend, Arrear. Evil Bot has changed their photo Carlo. Yeah,

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the next two games are gonna be exhausting. If you're

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new to the chat, we're gonna have an episode with

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Adam Will and myself tomorrow. Talk to these next two

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games and some of what we saw tonight. If you

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look at the points in the paint in this game,

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the Clippers were really bad to open this game shooting

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from the paint wise, I think they were like nine

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for twenty two in the first half in the paint,

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which is not good. We lost points in the paint

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by ten, excuse me, by eight points in the second

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half this game. I don't want to say we stole

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this game. I don't want to say we stole this game,

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but it's close. It's close. We lost rebounds, we were

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plus two in turnovers. We shot forty seven percent from three,

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which is why the Clippers won this game. And the

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other thing, one of the most fundamental things of why

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the Clippers won this game, and I will take this

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ten out of ten times, but Warriors couldn't hit free throws.

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They refused to make free throws. They went nine for

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nineteen in a three point game. Thank you Warriors for that.

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We appreciate it. I'm not gonna I'm not gonna retend

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like we didn't. It was a three point game. You

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only make forty seven percent of your free throws, that's bad. Yeah,

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a lot of people in the chat talking about the

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late fourth quarter turnovers. It's rough. Someone was asking who

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is the second wall handler. I don't know. It's in

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terms of the depth chart is quite literally KPJ. But

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here's why I mentioned this earlier. Here's why it was

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interesting to see a mirror close over Chris Dunn. Chris

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Dunn is someone who brings in the help with these

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late game initiations, right Like, theoretically he is the guy

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who should do that. I don't disagree that we need

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to have another one, depending on what you think the

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expectations of this team are. But if Chris Dunn was

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in late I think we see a better handling of

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the fourth quarter in terms of initiating the all would

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be my point to that couple people in the chat.

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Blue Sky Guys, I'm gonna be honest with y'all. I

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don't have the energy in me to join another social

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media thing that's based like Twitter. So we'll see. We'll

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end up on there at some point, but it's not

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gonna be today, it's not gonna be this week. Let

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us begrudgingly do it. Social media is not good, um, people,

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in the chat are asking about Kevin Porter Junior. Uh

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and when is that going to stop happening? First of all,

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hope his head is okay. He took an incredible fall

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and backed the hell out of his head. Uh. Oh, folks,

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we got the one, the only William Updyke here to

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talk about what he thinks Kwi Leonard is doing when

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it comes to shooting and other stuff. No, I'm just kidding.

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We're talking that game. Well, how's it going, Bud good?

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Speaker 2: Good? What's going on?

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Speaker 1: Uh? Basking in this win that it feels like we

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maybe stole this one, But I'm okay with it.

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Speaker 2: I think we like we kind of stole it. I

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would say we won seventy five percent of it fairly handedly,

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sure and kind of and kind of stole that last

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the last little bit, which you'll take. You know, Tyler

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said we need the ugly wins, will take any wins

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and could not be more the truth. And you know,

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maybe maybe we can have a stretch of the season

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where you know, we just play the Warriors. That'd be

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pretty good. Uh. No. I I do like the way

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that we match up with this team. They're a little

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bit smaller, a little bit older. Uh, certainly, certainly a

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better matchup than what we saw in Houston. Yes, with

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just their their age and size, defense, everything whole whole thing.

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A lot more difficult than the Warriors, but still very quality.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's two or two of their three

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losses other than the undefeated Calves, it is the defeated

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seven times Clippers who have been their losses. Yeah, this

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was I mean a great Terrence Man game. Tylusaid in

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the post game, has got a lot of confidence in Terrence.

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like you've said it, like we need guys to kind

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of like pick up where some guys leave off, And

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that happened tonight, right like we saw late Terrence Man

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be good. Norm picked up where he left off. Harden

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apparently is sick and has been since Houston. Gotcha, which

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whatever what.

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Speaker 2: Was he like twenty from the field tonight?

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Speaker 1: It was it was bad, Yeah, twenty six. It was

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everything other than the passing or everything. Yeah, everything in

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the passing was really bad to but we saw a

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good Nico game like this is this is the thing.

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This is the type of one that the Clippers are

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going to hang their hat on, which is be annoying

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as hell. On defense, I mean holding this team, which

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team and put up less than one hundred, Like that's incredible.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is like like I was saying, though, it

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this defense is, we do still have some physical limitations

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Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, and everyone was really excited. It was nice

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to see Mobamba back, but he ended up only playing

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seven minutes in this one, so you don't know what's

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up with the knee thing there because he supposedly maybe

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has like a minute restriction too.

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Speaker 2: Like that blockiead.

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Speaker 1: Though, yes, he was productive, right, he played what it

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was less than ten, played seven minutes and he was

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minus thirteen, So you love to see that from Mobaba.

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Norm I likes this point from x Mango Project. Norm

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was questionable at one point to return with a hamstring thing. Yeah,

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and I hope I think we can all agree we

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hope that that doesn't linger, because that would be terrible

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for the Clippers.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I don't know how they're gonna win many games.

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Speaker 1: But I don't think it should be serious. Tyleru hasn't

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mentioned it in the postgame press or anything that we've seen.

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Kevin Porter Junior is expected to be fine. A lot

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of people in the chat asking about if Kevin Porter Junior,

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like what's up? You know, like when is this experiment

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going to end? I don't know if it's going to

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He's the backup point guard right now. I'm not pro

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it continuing. I want to make that clear.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, there's been enough film and game time

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certainly that if they were gonna go towards someone else,

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as I mean, the thing that we're talking about here

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that's kind of wild is like this is essentially the

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sixth man role. You know, we're not talking about like

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we're not talking about a guy who's like eight deep

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in the rotation even like the you know, it's the

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sixth man. Uh And certainly with this amount of tape,

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if they haven't tried somebody else, I'm not inclined to

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think that they're going to. I don't wear you at

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Chuck like I just we you know, we have a

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pretty large sample size at this point. It ups and

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downs for sure. I mean, Kevin Porter Junr is just

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coming off of his last game I thought was his

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most complete game as a Clipper, one of his better games.

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But yeah, not like there's not I like Bones, don't

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get me wrong, but it's still like it's not like

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there's a lot of tantalizing other like options out there.

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Speaker 1: I mean, and they are here. Tyler already made one

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giant change, which was the starting lineup right, which we

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all have agreed with. It was a good call having

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done out there, he was solid tonight too, And I'm like,

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what so the move putting Bones in for KPJ is

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another giant change because that's the guy who's getting DNPS.

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You know, it's not like you're switching like, oh now

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Terrence is gonna do this whatever, like he can't because

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it's it's just different. But I don't know, man, I

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think he's here to stay. Like he's a guy that

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brings and Bones brings the same thing. But Bones again

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kind of had to dig himself out of a hole

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locker room wise, all that stuff. KPJ is better on

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defense than Bones. I'm pretty sure we can all agree

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on that. Not that that's a high bar to clear.

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But he's better at Yeah, he's better at defensive bones.

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He crashes the boards, he makes good cuts. It's like,

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I don't know, it's it's not gonna change, I don't

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think because there's nothing staring Tyler in the face. And

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this is the Tyler's credit. There's nothing staring him in

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the face. That's the easy fix. Yeah, the backup point guard.

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Like I do think tonight specifically, they if Chris Dunn

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is in late instead of a mirror, maybe that late

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game turnover doesn't happen and we have someone else who

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can initiate the offense better and stuff like that. But

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like KPJ is not doing that right now. So it's like,

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I don't know. We just have to deal with this.

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Speaker 2: I think we do. There's just not another clear answer

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on this roster. It just begs the question of, no,

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how do the Clippers really want to maneuver? And I

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think a lot of that is going to depend on

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what their record is going into the you know, going

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into the All Star break and then the trade deadline

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in February, Because if they're you know, below five hundred

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maybe even right at it, is that good enough to

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want to trade an asset to try to bring somebody in.

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You know, could you.

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Speaker 1: Get what asset?

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Speaker 2: Could you package enough assets like around Terrence Pj's money

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to get maybe like a Malcolm Brockton or something like.

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I don't know. I don't know if that's appealing enough

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for Washington to get a young a younger prospect and

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you know, twelve million a year off their books. I

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don't know if that's worth it to that.

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Speaker 1: Or the Clippers, because like, what are the assets, you

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know what I mean, Like, it's not like we're Terrence.

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Speaker 2: You're getting Terrence and PJ to take on a bunch

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of Washington's money for an older, oft injured player.

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Speaker 1: Law had a great tweet today that said everyone's trade

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machine ideas are bad. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, like if you don't have picks and

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you know, there's there's not a lot that's you can

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do that's super exciting. And that's the thing too, right

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that we already know from the messaging the Clippers. The

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Clippers aren't on board with me. They don't know that

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it's this Year's not have to smack them in the

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face for them to get it. Yeah, but I so

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I don't think that their head is really in an

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acquisition mode all you know. Although if this team you know,

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was looking pretty good, like at the All Star break,

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let's say four or five games above five hundred.

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Speaker 1: I think the scene with.

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Speaker 2: Kawhi looming in the like you know, with Kawhi looming

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in the in the side wings, he.

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Speaker 1: Is doing some shitting.

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Speaker 2: It's certainly possible. But yeah, I don't see them being

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a buyer at the at the trade.

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Speaker 1: No, they have a they have nothing to buy with. Really,

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Lance with a great point older often in your players

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sounds like Clipper to me, nail that man. Someone's asking,

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someone's saying, please discuss thoughts on Harder being minus thirty

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uh and him having the second worst field goal percentage

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of the entirely what he I don't know. It is

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what it is, man. He's an old he's in his

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mid thirties, he has a high usage rate. He hasn't

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really found his shooting stroke yet. This is is what

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it is. It's not ideas, so it goes. We would

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all love it to be better, but like what's there's

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there's no alternative than what is happening now, Partly because

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the Clippers don't have a secondary initiator. It helps take

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some of the pressure off of James Harden, partly because

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it's very clear the offense runs because of James Harden. Yes,

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I know he's minus thirty, but that's just what it is.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't really know. Yeah, I don't know. You can't.

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I feel like it's difficult to get too hung up

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on an individual players.

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Speaker 1: Plus mind forty minutes tonight. Yeah, this is a night

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of a back to back. That's yeah, that is like malpractice.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, when he's playing eighty percent of.

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Speaker 1: A game, it's kind of like that's the day after

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a game.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's gonna jerk those kind of plus minus numbers

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around the efficiency. I mean, it is troubling, don't get

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me wrong. Yes, apparently he has been sick since Houston.

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He don't know, man, Like, I'm just not seeing a

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break for him coming, you know, I.

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Speaker 1: Don't who slots into film.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean like even in game, Like, I don't

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know that we can really even buy him a lot

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of in game rest, especially with sort of like the

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roller coaster KPJ kind of thing right now, because that

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would be a hope, right that he could take over

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some of the offensive stuff. But yeah, I just don't

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really see it. I mean, you know, wait for Kwi

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to get back, that's an answer. I hope he settles

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into it more. I do think it would be nice

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to see him getting into the room a little bit more,

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even though he's not finishing super like, he's not finishing

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great right now. It took I'm still think getting some

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of those shots falling would just get him a little looser,

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Like we just get him in rhythm.

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Speaker 1: He if you're in the chat, do not send us

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any trade ideas. We're not going to talk about them.

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I'm just gonna squash that right here. It took him

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until twenty four seconds left in the first half of

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either yesterday or the game before to get his first

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shot at the rim. It took him an entire half basically,

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which is that's that's the stuff that you worry about

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because if he's not and the Warriors did it tonight, right,

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they were perfectly acceptable switching and having hard and just

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dribble the ball a bunch, yeah, and then eventually hit

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some kind of step back, which is like, it's great

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when it goes in, but like teams have, clearly hard

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was gas. That's why a mir had to bring the

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ball up late. That's why we almost went the overtime

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with this game. But it is what it is. We

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just got to hope the shots start falling and the

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KPg gets more efficient and decides to pass more. It's

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a lot of hopes. I'm not gonna sit here pretend

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like it's easy. Well.

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Speaker 2: I also thought there was some encouraging stuff with the

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ball movement, especially when the starters started trickling in during

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their second shift so towards towards the end of the

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first half there where we saw the ball moving around

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in a lot more of a cohesive way than I

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feel like I've seen a lot of from this Clippers team.

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There was one possession where I feel like four guys

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touched it before it ended up in a corner. I

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think it was a corner three for Nico. There was

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that short roll pass from these zoobots to Nico in

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the corner. But like, it's just stuff like that, like

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getting the ball moving a little bit more cohesively, and

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I think offensively the team, I mean, it hasn't looked

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great and I think like a lot of what's booing

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it is some you know, outlier efficiency from some guys

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and just like in some individual great performances kind of

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you know, hoisting everything up versus it being you know,

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more of a unit, which it doesn't really it doesn't

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really feel like or look like that much right now on.

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Speaker 1: The court, I know what you mean. The lineup that

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I really like that I think had that corner three

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you're talking about was Harden, Terrence, emir Nico and Zoo.

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Speaker 2: Yes, that was absolutely and that makes sense though they

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have like they've you know, they've been through it together

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for the most part. Hardens the newest guy in the group,

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and you know, everybody's gonna take their cues from him,

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so it kind of makes sense. Yeah, I would like

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to see more of that lineup.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure we would because it pops tonight and it's

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against the best team in the conference.

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Speaker 2: They need to be just watching old Spurs tape and just.

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Speaker 1: Like, I mean, we should all be doing that.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, just just just moving the ball more and

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not having James like even though that is kind of

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his style right to absolutely to manage a game clock

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and run down possessions and he's great at it, but

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I think maybe for his longevity, for for what we're

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asking him to do this season, because it's not just

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facilitating that's what he like, you know, that's what his

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role became a lot more of in Philadelphia and what

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we thought it was going to be here certainly with two, one, three,

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But it's not just that. Now he also has to

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be the scorers. So they I think they just need

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to find ways to be able to you know, facilitate

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ball movement and and have some sort of cohesive offense

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without him having to initiate everything. Yeah, and they're trying,

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you know, they have different guys bring the ball up,

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We'll do they'll you know, they'll they'll do like a

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side pick and roll. Though you know that they can

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do some little things to to alleviate it a little bit.

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But I think it could be done to a higher

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level with just just more just more touches on the

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ball overall.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and one thing before we kind of wrap up

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and get out of here, there was Uh. One of

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the things people talk about with James Harden and responsibility

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is that it will get easier when Kawhi Leonard returns.

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Speaker 2: I don't know that.

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Speaker 1: A I agree with you. I don't know that because

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it's not like Kawhi is initiating a ship ton of

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the offense or anything like that.

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Speaker 2: Like, gravity is very much a thing, and I think

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that in that regard, things will definitely get easier.

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Speaker 1: But he's not bringing the ball up.

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Speaker 2: I mean he can on like the odd possession.

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Speaker 1: But yes, but right he's feeling it, Like I agree

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with what you're saying.

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Speaker 2: I agree with what you're saying. I mean that was

477
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the issue, right, that was the either issue even when

478
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we had Kawhi Leonard and Paul George is like, you

479
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still need somebody to initiate hit the offense.

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Speaker 1: Right, and we got I don't know if this is news. Uh,

481
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Kawhi Leonard is out all week, says TYLERU. Leonard has

482
00:29:11,319 --> 00:29:16,960
been shooting comma a little bit, per Ty. Do we

483
00:29:17,039 --> 00:29:22,559
know that it's a basketball. No, he's going to kimbo.

484
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He's just letting he's just letting it fly on the range. Yeah.

485
00:29:28,039 --> 00:29:30,960
So Xbogo project, I'm going to give you an exact

486
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date of when Kawhi Leonard is coming back and you

487
00:29:33,799 --> 00:29:39,000
can take it to the bank. No, he's going back

488
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:43,480
for the Christmas game. They're not playing. No, this is

489
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not an update. He's not playing with them this week.

490
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We don't the update if you were.

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Speaker 2: If you he's still not practicing, there's no way he's

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playing this month.

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Speaker 1: So that's my thing. If you are choosing to hang

494
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on the Kawhi Leonard updates, which you do not have

495
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to do as a Clippers fan, you don't. If you're

496
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a new Clippers fan, I understand this might be frustrating.

497
00:30:07,559 --> 00:30:10,559
You're only gonna be more frustrated if you expect the

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team to give you updates.

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Speaker 2: If you're a no fan though as of this year,

500
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you're a real one.

501
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Speaker 1: Shout oh if you joined. Yeah, if you just joined,

502
00:30:18,279 --> 00:30:21,960
because you're like, I love that they have the new stadium. Welcome. Uh,

503
00:30:22,279 --> 00:30:24,680
wait for the practice updates, Wait for the updates that

504
00:30:24,759 --> 00:30:28,519
Kawhi Leonard is actually doing a full practice, because we're.

505
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Speaker 2: Even we haven't even gotten word of explosive box jumps.

506
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Speaker 1: None we're getting we've gotten shooting a little bit, we

507
00:30:34,960 --> 00:30:38,440
haven't gotten walked through. We haven't gotten practice, we haven't

508
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gotten the stay ready game anything like that. There's so

509
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many steps between now and when it would even make

510
00:30:45,720 --> 00:30:49,160
sense to be optimistic about him playing this year that

511
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we have not gone through yet. Yeah, and that sucks.

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Speaker 2: We haven't even heard from Haines.

513
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Speaker 1: We haven't wait for the Chris Haynes update x Bongo project.

514
00:31:03,039 --> 00:31:05,119
I kind of like, where your heads out on this one.

515
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:10,200
In my mind, we don't have frustrated. Look, I get it,

516
00:31:10,279 --> 00:31:13,519
you gotta compartmentalize. If you've never had traumatic events and

517
00:31:13,519 --> 00:31:15,599
you don't know how to compartmentalize, this is a good

518
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:16,480
way to figure out how.

519
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Speaker 2: To do it for better, for better and or worse.

520
00:31:19,519 --> 00:31:22,599
And I agree with I would agree with the majority

521
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:25,799
of you who think that it's worse what you saw tonight,

522
00:31:25,920 --> 00:31:28,079
Like what you know, what you're seeing. That's the roster

523
00:31:28,400 --> 00:31:32,599
that we kind of have to work with. Yeah, at

524
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least until December fifteenth at the very earliest.

525
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Speaker 1: Okay. I like this point from Lance and I could

526
00:31:40,319 --> 00:31:42,519
not agree more. And we've discussed this on the pod.

527
00:31:43,200 --> 00:31:45,279
No more updates. I just want to be surprised when

528
00:31:45,359 --> 00:31:48,519
Kai gets called the opening lineup like ww intro put

529
00:31:48,599 --> 00:31:52,039
him in the sting duster, put a sting mast up,

530
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,160
Oh my god, and lower him.

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Speaker 2: Later into it has the technology.

532
00:31:58,079 --> 00:32:01,839
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, just the day that he's playing, just when

533
00:32:01,839 --> 00:32:05,000
they play the Wizards or whatever in February, and it's

534
00:32:05,079 --> 00:32:11,319
like boom, he's back. All right, we gotta get out

535
00:32:11,319 --> 00:32:15,400
of here. Are you doing a full pod tomorrow? It

536
00:32:15,519 --> 00:32:19,480
could be could be the move. Adam's not here. Do

537
00:32:19,519 --> 00:32:21,559
you want to give a positive note? Manny asked for

538
00:32:21,599 --> 00:32:23,039
a positive note.

539
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:29,799
Speaker 2: We beat the Warriors again again. No, I mean, like, look,

540
00:32:29,839 --> 00:32:32,839
it's this team we've talked about, the rage of the

541
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razor thin margins. The good thing is they do match

542
00:32:36,000 --> 00:32:39,440
up fairly well against some of the higher touted talents

543
00:32:39,480 --> 00:32:42,960
in the West. Just do to size and age and

544
00:32:43,039 --> 00:32:45,720
some other things. So don't get down on the Clippers

545
00:32:45,759 --> 00:32:47,599
because they dropped a few in a row. Don't get

546
00:32:47,640 --> 00:32:50,319
down on the Clippers because they lost the Rockets. News flash.

547
00:32:50,359 --> 00:32:56,359
The Rockets are good now, so it's all good. Clippers

548
00:32:56,400 --> 00:32:59,640
are firmly in the driver's seat, but Paul George is

549
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:03,160
no longer for the driver. So pretty good spot.

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Speaker 1: Pretty good spot. We'll take it. Shout out to everybody

551
00:33:06,279 --> 00:33:08,319
hung out on the stream. I have a full episode

552
00:33:09,559 --> 00:33:13,279
for y'all tomorrow, most likely. Shout out to Mere Coffee.

553
00:33:13,279 --> 00:33:15,759
Shout out late game, Terrence Man. Shout out Normal Power

554
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for getting back on track. Thanks for hanging out, and

555
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it's all