WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.600 --> 00:00:02.640 Well, how's that for timing. Look at that. 2 00:00:03.960 --> 00:00:07.160 We've got Stevenson Sylvester rolling by the show today. Brett 3 00:00:07.160 --> 00:00:09.839 Sancia Pick six Previews will join us. 4 00:00:10.439 --> 00:00:12.800 Want to remind you if you miss last segment. 5 00:00:12.880 --> 00:00:15.839 Nick Romondo joined us, and then Tony joined us and 6 00:00:15.880 --> 00:00:19.239 Tony's three and a half year old son, Kiri needs 7 00:00:19.280 --> 00:00:22.480 a bone marrow transplant and we are looking for a match. 8 00:00:23.079 --> 00:00:27.120 So Nick Rimando has a charity pickleball tournament today and 9 00:00:27.120 --> 00:00:29.039 I want to let you know. It's at Second Summit 10 00:00:29.160 --> 00:00:32.920 Hard Cider, which is at forty ten South Main Street 11 00:00:32.920 --> 00:00:35.119 in Mill Creek, and they've got about one hundred and 12 00:00:35.159 --> 00:00:37.399 fifty kits where you can go get just a quick 13 00:00:37.479 --> 00:00:40.159 mouth swab. It takes just a couple of minutes. If 14 00:00:40.200 --> 00:00:42.960 you have some time today, please head down there. We 15 00:00:43.039 --> 00:00:44.799 do not have a match for Kurrey yet and time 16 00:00:44.840 --> 00:00:47.880 is running out. If you are planning on heading down there, 17 00:00:47.880 --> 00:00:50.280 you can text Hope for Kiri to six one four 18 00:00:50.439 --> 00:00:53.240 seven four and they'll send you kind of the document 19 00:00:53.320 --> 00:00:55.960 you need to fill out prior to getting screened. If 20 00:00:56.000 --> 00:00:58.399 you're not available to head down there today. The website 21 00:00:58.479 --> 00:01:01.240 is Hopefkiri dot org with a link to their GoFundMe 22 00:01:01.719 --> 00:01:04.319 and link to join the donor registry, and then information 23 00:01:04.400 --> 00:01:07.319 about new kits when they arrive at other locations. So 24 00:01:07.400 --> 00:01:09.120 we're gonna push this as hard as we can. Let's 25 00:01:09.120 --> 00:01:11.120 save this kid's life. He's three and a half years old. 26 00:01:11.680 --> 00:01:15.840 Cerebral ald It's a devastating and aggressive brain disease. So 27 00:01:15.920 --> 00:01:18.319 between the ages of eighteen and forty, you're more likely 28 00:01:18.359 --> 00:01:21.400 to be imagined if you have Italian or Asian heritage 29 00:01:21.439 --> 00:01:25.040 as a result of the lineage of Carrie's parents. So again, 30 00:01:25.599 --> 00:01:27.799 Nicky's pick Aball tournament starts in about an hour and 31 00:01:27.840 --> 00:01:31.239 forty five minutes at Second sum at Heart Cider at 32 00:01:31.280 --> 00:01:34.280 forty ten South Main Street in Mill Creek, Live in 33 00:01:34.359 --> 00:01:38.239 studio today our friend Amy Donaldson, which always makes me smile. 34 00:01:38.280 --> 00:01:39.920 Hello, Amy, how are you hello? 35 00:01:40.040 --> 00:01:42.120 I actually ooh, gosh, I don't know if that's my hell? 36 00:01:42.560 --> 00:01:43.200 If I'm coming in. 37 00:01:43.280 --> 00:01:45.599 High you can control your ears? You sound good to me? 38 00:01:46.239 --> 00:01:47.799 All right, good, I won't worry about it. Then. 39 00:01:48.159 --> 00:01:51.599 I actually am was a registered donor, a bone marrow 40 00:01:51.640 --> 00:01:55.319 donor for many years. Okay, I am unfortunately over forty 41 00:01:55.359 --> 00:01:57.879 at this point, I am chairly barely right. 42 00:01:57.959 --> 00:02:00.159 I've been aged out and I have no Italian or 43 00:02:00.200 --> 00:02:04.000 Asian heritage. I'm like full Scottish, little English and a 44 00:02:04.000 --> 00:02:06.239 little Scandinavian blood on my mother's side. Nobody gives a 45 00:02:06.280 --> 00:02:08.159 rip about my you know, twenty three and me, But 46 00:02:08.199 --> 00:02:09.439 that's that's kind of my ideal. 47 00:02:09.439 --> 00:02:10.520 How you been, It's good to see it. 48 00:02:10.599 --> 00:02:13.759 Yeah, I've been good. I have also been sending that 49 00:02:13.800 --> 00:02:16.000 message out. I hope we find and I hope we 50 00:02:16.199 --> 00:02:18.680 register a ton of donors. Yeah, for sure, because I 51 00:02:18.759 --> 00:02:20.919 had got registered because my best friend from high school's 52 00:02:20.919 --> 00:02:23.719 son got leukemia and needed a bone marrow transplant, and 53 00:02:23.759 --> 00:02:26.439 so he just asked everybody to get registered and I 54 00:02:26.560 --> 00:02:28.080 was hoping I would just was a match for him. 55 00:02:28.120 --> 00:02:29.800 I was not. He found a donor. 56 00:02:29.560 --> 00:02:33.080 Through this registry, okay, and it saves lives, and it's 57 00:02:33.199 --> 00:02:35.719 really I had never was lucky enough to be able 58 00:02:35.719 --> 00:02:38.280 to donate, but I have no people who have and 59 00:02:38.879 --> 00:02:42.240 friends who have, and it's for a healthy person. It 60 00:02:42.319 --> 00:02:45.840 is no problem, and yeah, it's an amazing thing to 61 00:02:45.840 --> 00:02:46.400 be able to do. 62 00:02:46.759 --> 00:02:48.639 Yeah, three and a half years old. I'll just keep 63 00:02:48.680 --> 00:02:49.479 pushing the website. 64 00:02:49.479 --> 00:02:52.439 I hope for Carrie dot Org, he's got two siblings 65 00:02:52.479 --> 00:02:55.879 neither were a match unfortunately, and times running out. We 66 00:02:55.919 --> 00:02:57.719 had his dad on last segment and you could just 67 00:02:57.800 --> 00:02:59.840 hear like the emotion in his voice. You and I 68 00:03:00.080 --> 00:03:03.039 both parents. This is this is something no parents should 69 00:03:03.039 --> 00:03:03.560 ever go through. 70 00:03:03.680 --> 00:03:06.800 No. And if you've had I know you yourself have had, 71 00:03:07.199 --> 00:03:08.080 you know face that. 72 00:03:09.560 --> 00:03:11.400 It could be deadly situation. 73 00:03:12.000 --> 00:03:14.000 I had a kid who had opened our surgery twice, 74 00:03:14.199 --> 00:03:16.159 once at eleven months and once at fifteen years old, 75 00:03:16.199 --> 00:03:17.400 and probably will have to have it again. 76 00:03:17.919 --> 00:03:20.840 And it is, I think the worst thing. 77 00:03:20.879 --> 00:03:23.960 Because you like to think you could handle anything, you 78 00:03:23.960 --> 00:03:27.080 can do anything, you'll do anything, but there's it just 79 00:03:27.120 --> 00:03:29.639 reduces you to like, oh you you really have no 80 00:03:29.759 --> 00:03:32.560 power here, you have nothing. You can just love and so, 81 00:03:32.759 --> 00:03:34.759 like I said, hopefully his efforts will help a lot 82 00:03:34.800 --> 00:03:38.240 of kids, but also his And yeah, please go get 83 00:03:38.280 --> 00:03:39.599 registered at the time. 84 00:03:39.719 --> 00:03:43.159 It's it's not hard for sure, and you can play pickleball, 85 00:03:43.240 --> 00:03:43.960 my guy, there you go. 86 00:03:44.240 --> 00:03:45.719 I was really I was like, I'm going to play 87 00:03:45.719 --> 00:03:47.840 in that pickleball tournament because I love pickleball so much, 88 00:03:48.879 --> 00:03:49.159 but I. 89 00:03:49.120 --> 00:03:49.560 Have to work. 90 00:03:49.719 --> 00:03:51.039 Well, we'll get you out of here. And I just 91 00:03:51.039 --> 00:03:52.520 came out of my basement to talk to you though, 92 00:03:52.520 --> 00:03:53.439 Oh did you really well? 93 00:03:53.759 --> 00:03:54.800 I've been writing all day. 94 00:03:55.000 --> 00:03:56.719 So Hope for Kirie dot orgon again. 95 00:03:56.759 --> 00:03:59.080 If you can head to Nikki's Pickaball tournament, text Hope 96 00:03:59.080 --> 00:04:01.080 for Kirie right now to six one four seven four, 97 00:04:01.120 --> 00:04:03.599 and they're going to send you the documentation you need 98 00:04:03.639 --> 00:04:04.120 to fill out. 99 00:04:04.400 --> 00:04:04.520 Uh. 100 00:04:04.680 --> 00:04:07.080 To just get swapped takes a couple of minutes forty 101 00:04:07.120 --> 00:04:09.639 ten South Main Street and Mill Creek starts at about 102 00:04:09.639 --> 00:04:10.360 four forty five. 103 00:04:10.879 --> 00:04:13.159 What are you working on? What's the latest with you? 104 00:04:13.639 --> 00:04:14.039 Working on? 105 00:04:14.199 --> 00:04:16.240 So many? I have so many little you know, plate 106 00:04:16.319 --> 00:04:19.160 spinning and know how that is, you know me never 107 00:04:19.240 --> 00:04:21.199 just one thing. But right now I am working on 108 00:04:21.240 --> 00:04:25.879 a podcast that will be launching probably February to April 109 00:04:25.879 --> 00:04:28.480 of next year. Okay, I can't talk about it yet, 110 00:04:28.480 --> 00:04:30.439 but probably close the next couple of months. But it's 111 00:04:30.439 --> 00:04:34.480 a sports related but yeah, it's a sports related podcast, 112 00:04:34.519 --> 00:04:37.120 which I didn't plan on doing. I actually had a 113 00:04:37.160 --> 00:04:39.759 different podcast that I had been working on, and this 114 00:04:39.800 --> 00:04:41.399 one had kind of been on the back burner, you 115 00:04:41.439 --> 00:04:43.519 know how that has just always having this idea and 116 00:04:43.560 --> 00:04:45.199 it's sort of bubbled up to the top. So that's 117 00:04:45.240 --> 00:04:47.800 what I've been working on. And it's consuming a lot 118 00:04:47.839 --> 00:04:50.279 of time. I'm also I've been working on a book. 119 00:04:50.319 --> 00:04:52.959 So I went to a writer's conference a few weeks ago, 120 00:04:53.120 --> 00:04:58.319 and I have a writing coach who's checking in with. 121 00:04:58.199 --> 00:04:58.720 Me now and there. 122 00:04:58.759 --> 00:04:59.839 Do you have a writing coach? 123 00:05:00.160 --> 00:05:00.319 Oh? 124 00:05:00.399 --> 00:05:00.639 I have. 125 00:05:00.839 --> 00:05:04.040 My husband jokes about this. I go to more writing 126 00:05:04.279 --> 00:05:07.279 classes and conferences. He's like, you'd think you don't know 127 00:05:07.319 --> 00:05:10.199 how to write, but no, it's it does help. 128 00:05:10.439 --> 00:05:11.360 Does it really like you don't? 129 00:05:11.399 --> 00:05:13.720 Yeah, and they know things or they've come at it 130 00:05:13.759 --> 00:05:16.800 from a different perspective. I mean the people think that 131 00:05:16.800 --> 00:05:18.519 because you write for newspaper, you know how to write 132 00:05:18.519 --> 00:05:21.920 writing for newspaper and then switching to podcast, completely different game. 133 00:05:21.959 --> 00:05:22.160 Yeah. 134 00:05:22.319 --> 00:05:26.279 I questioned my decision every day for two years. Why 135 00:05:26.279 --> 00:05:27.839 did you give up something you were good at for 136 00:05:27.920 --> 00:05:30.600 something that you suck at? Now I finally feel like 137 00:05:30.600 --> 00:05:32.560 I'm like in first grade of podcast writing. 138 00:05:32.720 --> 00:05:34.240 Don't suck at it. Let's be clear. 139 00:05:34.920 --> 00:05:37.839 I don't think you didn't read those first drafts. I 140 00:05:37.879 --> 00:05:39.800 should send you. I should send you a Blooper rail. 141 00:05:39.839 --> 00:05:43.560 You would enjoy it, Actually, porter would enjoy it. But yeah, 142 00:05:43.879 --> 00:05:45.519 it's tough. I mean, it's a different kind of writing, 143 00:05:45.519 --> 00:05:47.959 completely and so just for fun, I took a screenwriting 144 00:05:48.000 --> 00:05:50.879 class in the spring and it really like just made 145 00:05:50.920 --> 00:05:52.800 me kind of reinvigorate it with fun. 146 00:05:52.839 --> 00:05:53.639 I mean, this is the thing. 147 00:05:53.800 --> 00:05:56.600 When you write every day in one form or another, 148 00:05:56.920 --> 00:05:58.920 it's hard to like then say I'm gonna go have 149 00:05:59.000 --> 00:06:01.839 some fun and write some more because you're tired. It's 150 00:06:01.879 --> 00:06:04.560 writing is like it's a little piece of your soul 151 00:06:04.680 --> 00:06:05.600 goes out into the thing. 152 00:06:06.199 --> 00:06:07.839 And yeah, so I love it. 153 00:06:07.879 --> 00:06:10.279 I'm doing my column again for a Kastel Sports, so 154 00:06:10.319 --> 00:06:12.600 they came my first column last week. It's going to 155 00:06:12.639 --> 00:06:15.600 be run on Wednesdays. So I'm happy to be doing 156 00:06:15.600 --> 00:06:18.879 that again because I love I have missed covering daily sports. 157 00:06:18.879 --> 00:06:20.639 I'm not going to be doing daily sports, but I'm 158 00:06:20.639 --> 00:06:23.079 going to be writing about some of the issues and 159 00:06:23.120 --> 00:06:26.279 players and I have I asked for ideas and I 160 00:06:26.319 --> 00:06:29.040 have been I think I have one hundred ideas. I 161 00:06:29.120 --> 00:06:31.720 still ask for them because I mean, I think if 162 00:06:31.720 --> 00:06:33.399 we find a donor through this, I would love to 163 00:06:33.920 --> 00:06:36.439 talk to whoever ends up being a match, or if 164 00:06:36.439 --> 00:06:38.959 somebody else finds a match because they shared their story. 165 00:06:39.439 --> 00:06:42.000 I just remember, this is why we share stories, right, 166 00:06:42.079 --> 00:06:42.959 this is why we do it. 167 00:06:42.959 --> 00:06:43.439 To connect. 168 00:06:43.480 --> 00:06:45.839 We do it to help each other and remind us 169 00:06:45.879 --> 00:06:47.959 that none of us are in this game alone. 170 00:06:48.079 --> 00:06:51.680 What is your well said? What's your first cassel column? 171 00:06:51.959 --> 00:06:52.519 Is it? 172 00:06:52.519 --> 00:06:52.879 It was on? 173 00:06:53.040 --> 00:06:55.199 It was on the Former Brothers new gym, oh Nice 174 00:06:55.319 --> 00:06:57.759 and I actually submitted it a couple of months ago, 175 00:06:57.879 --> 00:07:01.240 but there was some maturn to leave for someone else 176 00:07:01.279 --> 00:07:04.680 involved in and so I was working on something else. 177 00:07:04.720 --> 00:07:07.920 So we finally got it done. But there's still time 178 00:07:07.959 --> 00:07:10.480 to donate to the gym. And for sure, it's always 179 00:07:10.519 --> 00:07:14.399 timeless what the former family has done for this state, 180 00:07:14.639 --> 00:07:17.680 and not just in boxing, giving kids a sense of community, 181 00:07:17.720 --> 00:07:20.560 giving them a place to go. The young men that 182 00:07:20.600 --> 00:07:22.759 I found. His mom is a recovering addict. She'd been 183 00:07:22.759 --> 00:07:25.519 cleaned for a year when I met them. Saved their lives. 184 00:07:25.560 --> 00:07:27.759 They don't have a dad in their lives. They have 185 00:07:27.839 --> 00:07:30.319 all these amazing male role models and they get to 186 00:07:30.360 --> 00:07:32.439 He gets to go every day for free. Kids go 187 00:07:32.519 --> 00:07:36.920 and they can box for free. They learn discipline, how 188 00:07:36.959 --> 00:07:41.040 to take care of one another, the value of competition 189 00:07:41.319 --> 00:07:44.680 and good sportsmanship. Right, there's so many things and now, 190 00:07:44.759 --> 00:07:46.560 and they have a study facility there. 191 00:07:46.560 --> 00:07:47.959 I don't know if you've been out there yet Yeah, 192 00:07:47.959 --> 00:07:48.879 I was there for the opener. 193 00:07:48.879 --> 00:07:49.879 We did my show out there. 194 00:07:50.000 --> 00:07:51.519 Yeah yeah, I think I was out in the morning 195 00:07:51.519 --> 00:07:54.839 when they did the River. So yeah, it's deluxe. I mean, 196 00:07:54.879 --> 00:08:00.000 I I was so happy because I love the. 197 00:07:58.720 --> 00:08:02.000 The fact that there's a support. Like I've combat sports have. 198 00:08:02.000 --> 00:08:05.480 Always been a safety net for a lot of people 199 00:08:05.480 --> 00:08:08.680 living on the margins of society. But now there's a 200 00:08:08.720 --> 00:08:11.319 safety net there that's going to give them more options 201 00:08:11.360 --> 00:08:15.160 even if they don't make it in boxing. They have community, 202 00:08:15.240 --> 00:08:18.519 they have study skills, they have help with their homework, 203 00:08:18.560 --> 00:08:21.000 they have food to eat, there are a lot they 204 00:08:21.040 --> 00:08:25.040 have access to athletic trainers. There's just so much support there. 205 00:08:25.120 --> 00:08:28.079 And it's a beautiful building to boot But yeah, I 206 00:08:28.120 --> 00:08:30.639 love it. And if you don't know anything about the 207 00:08:30.680 --> 00:08:33.440 history of boxing in Utah, all that stuff you used 208 00:08:33.480 --> 00:08:36.559 to be in Don and Jane Fulmer's basements and probably 209 00:08:36.639 --> 00:08:42.080 Jay's garage and now it's like this amazing museum and yeah, 210 00:08:42.159 --> 00:08:43.840 it just makes you like, oh, there's a lot here 211 00:08:43.840 --> 00:08:45.879 in the state that I don't know anything about, and 212 00:08:46.720 --> 00:08:47.360 it makes. 213 00:08:47.200 --> 00:08:47.840 You super proud. 214 00:08:47.879 --> 00:08:49.360 Well, and you're not going to meet a sweeter guy 215 00:08:49.399 --> 00:08:50.159 than Larry Fomer. 216 00:08:50.440 --> 00:08:53.080 No, I mean, just like maybe one of his brothers. 217 00:08:53.120 --> 00:08:55.279 Well okay, fair enough, but he's one of those guys 218 00:08:55.320 --> 00:08:58.600 where every time, whether he's in studio or I've been 219 00:08:58.639 --> 00:09:00.799 out on remote, he just puts you in a good 220 00:09:00.840 --> 00:09:02.759 Nottain you just feel happy around Larry. 221 00:09:02.879 --> 00:09:05.000 And I should say in a couple of weeks they 222 00:09:05.000 --> 00:09:07.240 have an outdoor boxing match coming up. So they poured 223 00:09:07.279 --> 00:09:10.639 this cement slab on the property that I believe they 224 00:09:11.120 --> 00:09:13.559 they I don't they rent or release, but for like 225 00:09:13.600 --> 00:09:16.679 a ten bucks or a bucket year or something from 226 00:09:16.759 --> 00:09:20.559 the county and it they're gonna have outdoor boxing. 227 00:09:20.200 --> 00:09:21.759 Matches but they used to back in the day. 228 00:09:21.840 --> 00:09:22.320 That's awesome. 229 00:09:22.440 --> 00:09:24.080 But instead of a chicken coop, they're going to be 230 00:09:24.080 --> 00:09:27.200 in this amazing venue and there will be real restrooms 231 00:09:27.240 --> 00:09:30.840 in case you're on the fence. That's always my requirement. Yeah, 232 00:09:31.440 --> 00:09:32.799 it is there a place to go to the bathroom? 233 00:09:32.919 --> 00:09:33.360 I'm down? 234 00:09:33.399 --> 00:09:34.120 And is there food? 235 00:09:34.480 --> 00:09:34.759 You know? 236 00:09:34.879 --> 00:09:38.039 You know me, food is maybe more important than the restroom. 237 00:09:37.720 --> 00:09:39.039 And porter how long? 238 00:09:39.080 --> 00:09:42.840 So Deontay Wilder was there, Yeah, and he sat down 239 00:09:43.600 --> 00:09:46.159 and I didn't know what to expect. We probably did 240 00:09:46.159 --> 00:09:48.559 a forty five minute segment with him, didn't we I mean, 241 00:09:48.600 --> 00:09:50.200 he just yacks poetic forever. 242 00:09:50.360 --> 00:09:53.480 Yeah, it was. It was a good long it was. 243 00:09:53.679 --> 00:09:57.000 It was most of our radio hour, which yeah, about 244 00:09:57.039 --> 00:09:57.480 forty forty. 245 00:09:57.639 --> 00:09:58.679 I miss I'm gonna have to go back and with 246 00:09:58.799 --> 00:10:00.559 him because he was wonderful with those kids. 247 00:10:00.639 --> 00:10:04.000 People need to know Porter's magic with the clock based 248 00:10:04.039 --> 00:10:06.519 off of my lack of clock integrity? 249 00:10:06.919 --> 00:10:08.799 Did we call it time? Blame this with ADHD. 250 00:10:08.960 --> 00:10:10.600 Yeah, And that's that's really what it is like. 251 00:10:11.240 --> 00:10:13.600 So I've always In fact, it's interesting because you brought 252 00:10:13.639 --> 00:10:16.639 up the podcasting dynamic. You know, for two years, I 253 00:10:16.679 --> 00:10:18.679 was not doing this job. I just did podcasts only 254 00:10:18.720 --> 00:10:21.519 for two years. And when you have that experience, I 255 00:10:21.559 --> 00:10:23.919 was about, oh, we're turning six this week. This show 256 00:10:24.000 --> 00:10:26.440 is six years old this week, which is pretty pretty interesting. 257 00:10:26.879 --> 00:10:29.600 It both seems like it was yesterday and forever ago. 258 00:10:29.639 --> 00:10:31.480 I don't really know how to you know, time is 259 00:10:31.480 --> 00:10:34.159 such a mental construct. But during my two years of 260 00:10:34.200 --> 00:10:38.559 podcasts only, you just see the movement of this attention 261 00:10:38.720 --> 00:10:41.120 economy moving digitally and online. 262 00:10:41.720 --> 00:10:44.080 So when I first took this. 263 00:10:44.080 --> 00:10:46.320 Job, I told Cavon, I said, I want to try 264 00:10:46.360 --> 00:10:49.960 to make live radio sound podcasting. I said, what that 265 00:10:50.000 --> 00:10:52.360 means is I'm blowing through my clock all the time. 266 00:10:52.519 --> 00:10:55.360 Like if I have a conversation that's going well, I 267 00:10:55.440 --> 00:10:57.879 want And one of my favorite pieces of feedback I 268 00:10:57.919 --> 00:10:59.720 get is if somebody sends me a message of like, 269 00:10:59.759 --> 00:11:03.039 hey is running errands and you had Deontay Wilder on 270 00:11:03.759 --> 00:11:05.600 and I sat in the Harmon's parking lot and I 271 00:11:05.720 --> 00:11:07.279 listened to you for forty five min done it. 272 00:11:07.360 --> 00:11:08.440 That's the coolest thing, you know? 273 00:11:09.200 --> 00:11:11.279 Or I've been coming home or and I've been I 274 00:11:11.320 --> 00:11:12.120 have to hear the end of this. 275 00:11:12.240 --> 00:11:14.519 Yeah, And it's not like you can't go you can't 276 00:11:14.519 --> 00:11:16.720 listen to it on podcasts later, sure, but you're in 277 00:11:16.759 --> 00:11:19.200 the moment and there's an energy and an emotion to 278 00:11:19.240 --> 00:11:21.159 it right one hundred percent. But I'm gonna I'm gonna 279 00:11:21.159 --> 00:11:22.639 have to look that one up because I member, I 280 00:11:22.639 --> 00:11:24.080 don't remember why. I think. 281 00:11:24.159 --> 00:11:25.679 I think Larry told me you were there, but I 282 00:11:25.679 --> 00:11:26.919 had that was crazy. 283 00:11:26.960 --> 00:11:29.879 Yeah, it was great, but but it it And yes, 284 00:11:30.120 --> 00:11:32.840 like part of my approach is thinking about the person 285 00:11:33.559 --> 00:11:37.240 who couldn't hear the interview live, who gets home from 286 00:11:37.279 --> 00:11:39.399 work and pulls up the podcast page and says, wait 287 00:11:39.440 --> 00:11:42.159 forty five minutes with a World Championship boxer. I'm going 288 00:11:42.159 --> 00:11:45.000 to listen to that, but in real time, it just 289 00:11:45.039 --> 00:11:47.279 it makes my man in there spend different plates on 290 00:11:47.279 --> 00:11:49.399 his head when he's got to deal with my you know, wait, 291 00:11:49.440 --> 00:11:51.679 you're supposed to go to break here, but I just 292 00:11:51.720 --> 00:11:53.960 approach it differently, and you see how people pay the bills. 293 00:11:54.039 --> 00:11:56.519 But that's I actually would love to see us figure 294 00:11:56.519 --> 00:11:59.600 this out. Actually talk to one of your sales managers 295 00:11:59.600 --> 00:12:03.679 about this. How do you make this less transactional? Like 296 00:12:03.919 --> 00:12:07.399 I you give advertisers, give us, give you money, and 297 00:12:07.440 --> 00:12:10.480 then you give a product. Right, and the listeners are 298 00:12:10.720 --> 00:12:13.240 the the people you're trying to sell stuff to. Right, 299 00:12:13.559 --> 00:12:15.480 what if it was all we are all trying to 300 00:12:15.480 --> 00:12:17.559 do the same thing. We're trying to create this community 301 00:12:17.879 --> 00:12:20.279 and we all benefit from it. So the advertisers that 302 00:12:20.279 --> 00:12:23.320 support your show that listeners support them because they're not 303 00:12:23.320 --> 00:12:24.639 going to have as many ads, they're not going to 304 00:12:24.679 --> 00:12:26.759 have as many bricks, but they but they support those 305 00:12:26.799 --> 00:12:32.200 advertisers because they're supporting this unusual you know format. 306 00:12:32.240 --> 00:12:34.840 That to me is like, oh, let's figure let's try that. 307 00:12:35.120 --> 00:12:37.480 That would be super fun to try, but it's hard 308 00:12:37.519 --> 00:12:39.720 to get sales to go along. With it because they're like, 309 00:12:39.720 --> 00:12:41.840 but we've got this many ads and d da da da, 310 00:12:41.919 --> 00:12:44.960 because that's what advertisers are sure will work. And I 311 00:12:45.440 --> 00:12:47.799 just say, like, let's just try it a little bit. 312 00:12:47.879 --> 00:12:49.919 And podcasting is a great place to try it, yeah, 313 00:12:50.480 --> 00:12:53.039 because there's you know, it's such a I feel like 314 00:12:53.080 --> 00:12:58.000 it's a creative you could say chaotic universe, or you 315 00:12:58.000 --> 00:13:01.159 could say a crap show whatever, but it's a place 316 00:13:01.159 --> 00:13:03.879 you can try stuff. And so we're with radio. As 317 00:13:03.919 --> 00:13:05.919 you know, there is a way of doing it. We've 318 00:13:05.919 --> 00:13:07.559 always done it this way. We're not going to change 319 00:13:07.559 --> 00:13:09.159 our minds aiming, So don't come in here with your 320 00:13:09.159 --> 00:13:10.000 new fingled idea. 321 00:13:10.080 --> 00:13:13.399 Yeah, well it's and you know, for years and years 322 00:13:13.399 --> 00:13:16.000 and years, I would hear this thing from sales staff 323 00:13:16.080 --> 00:13:19.320 or you know, front office folk up in you know, 324 00:13:19.360 --> 00:13:22.080 the upper tier offices, like we need more time spend 325 00:13:22.080 --> 00:13:24.120 listening TSL. They always say that, so we need to 326 00:13:24.120 --> 00:13:26.879 turn If somebody's listening to your show for seven minutes 327 00:13:26.879 --> 00:13:29.360 of time, how do we turn that into twenty? And 328 00:13:29.399 --> 00:13:30.960 like my whole thing is like, okay, well we don't 329 00:13:31.000 --> 00:13:33.080 go to break if something is compelling, that's how we 330 00:13:33.120 --> 00:13:34.679 do it. And then we try to convince them to 331 00:13:34.679 --> 00:13:36.639 sit in their car and listen to a good conversation. 332 00:13:36.840 --> 00:13:39.320 The easiest way and this is what I I because 333 00:13:39.519 --> 00:13:42.639 I do narrative podcasting, so I tell a story over episodes. 334 00:13:42.960 --> 00:13:45.120 And the easiest way to lose people I listen to 335 00:13:45.200 --> 00:13:48.360 narrative podcasts I make them is to interrupt and try 336 00:13:48.360 --> 00:13:50.639 to sell me something because it reminds me that I'm 337 00:13:50.679 --> 00:13:52.799 not part of the story, right, all the work. 338 00:13:52.639 --> 00:13:54.919 That it's a dropped in random this. 339 00:13:55.000 --> 00:13:56.440 Universe, and all of a sudden, now you want to 340 00:13:56.440 --> 00:13:59.440 talk about tires. No, no, right, well let's go back 341 00:13:59.440 --> 00:14:02.080 to talking about well, how did you find belief in 342 00:14:02.120 --> 00:14:04.799 yourself to become a world champion? How did you envision 343 00:14:04.840 --> 00:14:07.279 that when nobody around you had that kind of success 344 00:14:07.360 --> 00:14:10.159 from them? Right? Like, that's the thing, that's the conversation 345 00:14:10.240 --> 00:14:12.240 you want to be involved in. And if you tell 346 00:14:12.279 --> 00:14:15.000 me at the very beginning, hey, this company makes this possible. 347 00:14:15.919 --> 00:14:18.200 As you and I see this a lot in outdoor community, 348 00:14:18.519 --> 00:14:21.559 we will support a company that doesn't do ads on 349 00:14:21.600 --> 00:14:24.519 our shirt because we want a shirt that we can 350 00:14:24.519 --> 00:14:25.279 wear wherever we want. 351 00:14:25.279 --> 00:14:27.720 We won't work like a billboard, right right, But it 352 00:14:27.759 --> 00:14:28.919 takes some level of trust. 353 00:14:29.200 --> 00:14:33.120 Yeah, yeah, so of all of because we had Mad 354 00:14:33.120 --> 00:14:36.000 Dog on Chris Russo, who was kind of the first. 355 00:14:36.720 --> 00:14:38.960 He and Mike Frances did Mike and the Mad Dog 356 00:14:39.039 --> 00:14:41.240 when I was a teenager in the Northeast and it 357 00:14:41.320 --> 00:14:45.480 was the first like sports talk radio show and it was, 358 00:14:45.559 --> 00:14:47.759 you know, those two going back and forth, and in 359 00:14:47.799 --> 00:14:51.120 a way, they are real pioneers like you hear a 360 00:14:51.159 --> 00:14:53.360 lot of like the steven A. Smiths get Bayless getting 361 00:14:53.360 --> 00:14:55.440 the credit for this embraced debate. It was Mike and 362 00:14:55.480 --> 00:14:58.840 the Mad Dog before anybody else. And we had Dog 363 00:14:58.879 --> 00:15:00.679 on the show like a month ago, and he said, 364 00:15:02.000 --> 00:15:05.039 every live radio host can be a podcaster. 365 00:15:05.799 --> 00:15:07.879 Ten percent of podcasters can do live radio. 366 00:15:08.399 --> 00:15:09.399 That's what I believe that. 367 00:15:10.159 --> 00:15:12.600 But what's your experience been, because I wanted to ask you, like, 368 00:15:13.000 --> 00:15:16.159 you've done live radio, you've done podcasting, and you write 369 00:15:16.200 --> 00:15:18.799 a lot. What's what's the biggest energetic ask of the 370 00:15:18.799 --> 00:15:19.759 things that you've done. 371 00:15:19.919 --> 00:15:21.039 What do you mean energetic ask? 372 00:15:21.120 --> 00:15:23.399 Like you referenced earlier, when I write something leaves my 373 00:15:23.440 --> 00:15:25.320 body and when I'm done with the show, every day 374 00:15:25.360 --> 00:15:27.080 I go home and I sit in my backyard for 375 00:15:27.120 --> 00:15:28.960 like thirty minutes and I want to talk to anybody. 376 00:15:28.960 --> 00:15:31.879 I'm just sitting there, like you know, like the energetic 377 00:15:31.960 --> 00:15:34.399 ask of doing this for four hours every day is 378 00:15:34.440 --> 00:15:37.120 a different ass than it is for podcasting because we 379 00:15:37.240 --> 00:15:38.159 have a clock. 380 00:15:38.200 --> 00:15:40.080 As I reference, I blow through it. 381 00:15:40.120 --> 00:15:43.399 But there's no like hey, pause take two, like we 382 00:15:43.440 --> 00:15:46.039 are live right now, this is a live mic, I think, 383 00:15:46.399 --> 00:15:47.159 so they're different. 384 00:15:47.200 --> 00:15:50.120 So live radio to me, and I did twelve years 385 00:15:50.159 --> 00:15:52.639 of sports talk radio and I'm mostly good high school stuff. 386 00:15:52.679 --> 00:15:53.840 Then filling in. 387 00:15:54.120 --> 00:15:56.440 Every time I did a four hour show versus my 388 00:15:56.519 --> 00:16:00.279 two hour show, I was reminded a how much more 389 00:16:02.360 --> 00:16:05.639 you know, preparation goes into it than you hear in 390 00:16:05.720 --> 00:16:08.080 a two hour or a four hour show, right, you 391 00:16:08.120 --> 00:16:10.840 double or triple it, right, Like It's it's crazy how 392 00:16:10.919 --> 00:16:12.720 much more you have to prepare to do a couple 393 00:16:12.720 --> 00:16:15.320 of hours of live radio. The other thing is you 394 00:16:15.360 --> 00:16:19.279 can't be I'm me, like, I don't have an alter ego. 395 00:16:20.320 --> 00:16:23.559 And when you do live radio, no one wants sad you, 396 00:16:23.879 --> 00:16:25.000 nobody wants anger you. 397 00:16:25.120 --> 00:16:27.879 They want they want this happy. 398 00:16:28.039 --> 00:16:30.879 Give me information, make me feel better about life, tell 399 00:16:30.879 --> 00:16:33.600 me some stuff about the world, right and and you 400 00:16:33.759 --> 00:16:35.919 like and I see that I actually it's One of 401 00:16:35.960 --> 00:16:38.559