Speaker 1: You see something's going to happen? What What's gonna happen?
Speaker 2: What? Alady, folks? Your host double j back here, hosts
Speaker 2: of Operation g c D not the Vice President, Back
Speaker 2: for another Fridays Here with my co host Nick from
Speaker 2: The Occult Rejects. Nick, how do would sir?
Speaker 1: What up?
Speaker 2: How is?
Speaker 1: How's it going?
Speaker 2: Doing well? Doing well? Excited for another Friday's? My friend?
Speaker 2: How's the Your future must be so bright just like
Speaker 2: my own that you gotta wear shades. Huh.
Speaker 1: I figured i'd i'd be like you tonight and with
Speaker 1: the sunglasses.
Speaker 2: It was one of the reasons why.
Speaker 1: Besides that people can't see how stone damn.
Speaker 2: You now you're out of my treks for endless not
Speaker 2: the vote, all the secrets something secrets we got, We
Speaker 2: got our shapeless guests tonight Here Tim Constant team from
Speaker 2: the Sixth Sensory Podcast. Tim, appreciate you joining us here, Bud, Yeah,
Speaker 2: happy to be here.
Speaker 3: Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 2: Absolutely with Jades, we Nick and Nick and I just
Speaker 2: like to have a you know, a relaxed roundtable discussion
Speaker 2: on whatever, you know, conspiracy culture topics that come up.
Speaker 2: We've already kind of started that backstage here before the show,
Speaker 2: so we can kind of jump off there if you'd like,
Speaker 2: but you can first introduce yourself and your podcast, the
Speaker 2: Sixth Sensory Podcast to the audience here. I've only recently
Speaker 2: familiarized myself with your program when Nick introduced me to
Speaker 2: the show a couple weeks ago, and definitely like your style,
Speaker 2: talking some giant stuff, talking some my own stuff, talking
Speaker 2: some satanic coult stuff I caught on there. So yeah,
Speaker 2: definitely definitely appreciate you joining us. And what else goes
Speaker 2: on at the sixth Centsury Podcast.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, definitely ancient cultures, all that stuff of hidden history,
Speaker 3: history and mystery.
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 3: I should have put a pause there. What I meant
Speaker 3: to say was, sometimes it's just regular history, sometimes it's
Speaker 3: hidden history. But also I like to dive into the
Speaker 3: alternative theories on things and just conspiracy in general, and
Speaker 3: a cult, actually a cult pops up a lot, so
Speaker 3: you know, that's what I've been doing.
Speaker 2: Nice. How long you've been doing that for sixth.
Speaker 3: Sensory Podcast and podcasting in general. I've been doing it
Speaker 3: for since December of twenty twenty three.
Speaker 2: Nice.
Speaker 1: Nice, What did you did you have something before sixth century. Sorry,
Speaker 1: Oh no, I didn't.
Speaker 3: I did not. I had no idea, you know, five
Speaker 3: years ago that I'd be doing this.
Speaker 2: Yeah what what what caused you in life to get
Speaker 2: down with a sick, twisted path of hosting a podcast?
Speaker 2: There too?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was a lot of a lot of things, man.
Speaker 3: I'm mean, you know, I hate to say it because
Speaker 3: I know it's kind of like regurgitated old news at
Speaker 3: this point, But it really was twenty twenty that pushed
Speaker 3: me over the edge. You know, I was you know,
Speaker 3: I had one foot in the door already. I love
Speaker 3: Coast to Coast am I listened to that for years years.
Speaker 3: I watched Jesse Venture Conspiracy Theory.
Speaker 2: Love that show how much?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know, and I just, always, like I said, man,
Speaker 3: I always had my foot in the door. I always
Speaker 3: knew the elites were lying to us. I just didn't
Speaker 3: realize the extent of it until it kind of slapped
Speaker 3: me in the face in twenty twenty. And you know,
Speaker 3: I didn't buy what they were selling, man, I didn't
Speaker 3: get what they were trying to make me get. I
Speaker 3: didn't fall in line, I didn't trust the science. And
Speaker 3: I got real mad because I saw everybody around me
Speaker 3: was the only people who I noticed who were vocal
Speaker 3: about not doing all this stuff that we were trying
Speaker 3: to be made to do. We're podcasters. Sure, So I
Speaker 3: gained a large amount of respect for the podcasting community
Speaker 3: during twenty twenty, specifically people in this you know, this
Speaker 3: whatever we want to call it, conspiracy realm. I saw
Speaker 3: a lot of people stand up, get their get their
Speaker 3: channels taken down, you know, have all kinds of stuff,
Speaker 3: you know, money taking away from them, all that stuff.
Speaker 3: And I saw that people were still willing to say, well,
Speaker 3: you know, the jab and all that, we're not doing it.
Speaker 3: People stood up and vocalized it. So that kind of
Speaker 3: got me into it. I was like, okay, you know,
Speaker 3: every every normy I know, I can't even talk to
Speaker 3: about this stuff. So I started a podcast so I
Speaker 3: could talk to other people who had, you know, same mentality.
Speaker 2: Sure, keeping it sane, my staring some ideas, right with
Speaker 2: folks who aren't going to think you're insane.
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, Yeah. And I started researching in twenty two
Speaker 3: so and I just never stopped. So I would say
Speaker 3: that No, I was just gonna say I started the
Speaker 3: show so I could kind of put out some of
Speaker 3: our research too.
Speaker 2: That's awesome.
Speaker 1: Did you feel less crazy when you met more people podcasting?
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah, that's good.
Speaker 3: Then I thought that I was crazy until man.
Speaker 1: Right, I'm kidding.
Speaker 3: No, it's been a it's been a fun journey. Never
Speaker 3: saw myself getting into this, and uh, I've I've made
Speaker 3: a lot of cool friends doing it so far. I'm
Speaker 3: just a year in, but man, I mean I've met
Speaker 3: some really phenomenal people.
Speaker 2: Good for you, Man, for you, that's awesome.
Speaker 1: I like something that's that seems you seem to be
Speaker 1: doing something right.
Speaker 2: I I definitely like the topics you cover their too,
Speaker 2: for sure. This or definitely my wheelhouse of activities, the
Speaker 2: ancient cultures, specifically the Mounds of America. I mean mounds everywhere,
Speaker 2: but Mounds of America specifically, and uh, you know the
Speaker 2: giants that were in some of those mounds, right, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I heard. I listened to one of your recent ones
Speaker 2: Satanic colts and whatnot, because that's a big You're we
Speaker 2: were talking about scientology before they technically fall within that
Speaker 2: thelemic umbrella of cult activity as descended from Alistair Crowley, right, Yes,
Speaker 2: so they kind of fall and I mean, well, they're not, like,
Speaker 2: you know, on their face like doing satan stuff. They
Speaker 2: are technically Satanic, I suppose, right, no different than the
Speaker 2: Mormons are when you're professing to be a god of
Speaker 2: his own planet. Right, that's kind of like the general
Speaker 2: sense of satanic it, right, I mean, you went y'all
Speaker 2: went deep. That's what I'm trying to explain, the general
Speaker 2: sense went deep in an interview as far as like
Speaker 2: a PhD level thesis of breaking down these different elements
Speaker 2: of what is Satanism?
Speaker 3: Was was it the one with Nicks?
Speaker 2: Was?
Speaker 3: Was? Was that show? Thee with a Girl?
Speaker 2: Yes, sir, that was it? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, So yeah, man, Well that's interesting that you're bringing
Speaker 3: that up, because I thought that after we did that episode,
Speaker 3: I had this weird feeling that if I put it
Speaker 3: out that it was going to be taken the wrong way,
Speaker 3: because like, I just didn't have a filter on for
Speaker 3: that show. I was just like listening to her and
Speaker 3: I was just like throwing out my opinions, and I
Speaker 3: feel like I got way way more opinionated, and I
Speaker 3: was I felt like people who listened, if they were
Speaker 3: into Satanism, we're just gonna hate me. In unsubscribe immediately.
Speaker 3: So I don't know how that came across to you,
Speaker 3: but it's okay.
Speaker 2: It's okay for Satanists to disagree with you, Tim there
Speaker 2: we go. It's okay. And you guys did a great
Speaker 2: job on it. I enjoyed the full scale analysis of
Speaker 2: breaking down the different theological understandings of philosophical basis for
Speaker 2: why these these you know, specific satanic cults congregate. Right,
Speaker 2: we guys did a good job encapsulating me.
Speaker 3: Well, yeah, man, I mean when you look into specif
Speaker 3: people like I'll just say Anton Leavey, when when you
Speaker 3: look into him and you look into people who know
Speaker 3: his family, who knew his girls, what you hear is
Speaker 3: that they were they were very into like going onto
Speaker 3: the astral plane. They're into doing that kind of stuff,
Speaker 3: and they were into like getting in contact with these
Speaker 3: other entities.
Speaker 2: Uh right. And I'm glad you picked up on that
Speaker 2: because most folks, when I may just interject, and most
Speaker 2: folks don't, you know, they like to rid them off
Speaker 2: as a carnival barker. And I thought that was a
Speaker 2: salient characteristic you pointed out there on your show, is
Speaker 2: he was into some weird shit.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, his his spirit guide. I don't know if
Speaker 3: he called it that, but he was his his power spirit,
Speaker 3: I think is what he called it was. Leviathan is
Speaker 3: like an old demon.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Nick, Nick would have known more about that kind
Speaker 2: of stuff than me.
Speaker 3: I don't know, Nick, have you heard that about Levey?
Speaker 3: That's what I was told by people like kind of
Speaker 3: in his circle.
Speaker 2: Tell your guardian angel type of situation, Nick, Well, anything
Speaker 2: the way he's the way Tim's describing this, Leviathan Demonto
Speaker 2: to LaVey, was his power would you put what was
Speaker 2: his power bottom? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Power spirit?
Speaker 1: Yeah, bottom, like.
Speaker 2: It was power bottom power spirit. Kind of sounds like
Speaker 2: guardian angel to me. I'm not a I'm not in
Speaker 2: a cult expert by any means something like that, But I.
Speaker 3: Mean, well, you know, I don't know, like maybe later
Speaker 3: we could get into some Nazi stuff, because I definitely
Speaker 3: I've been studying that lately. And my point is is
Speaker 3: like it's a similar thing because when you look at
Speaker 3: the people who influenced the Nazis, they were very much
Speaker 3: into channeling and and they had these familiar spirits, if
Speaker 3: we want to call him that, that they were they rigidly.
Speaker 2: Were talking to are you familiar with a group called
Speaker 2: the Processed Church of the Final Judgment?
Speaker 3: Not really heard of it.
Speaker 2: They're off they're an offsheet of scientology. Some some like
Speaker 2: myself claim that they're a dark wing of some ontology
Speaker 2: still to this day. But they, uh, they basically are
Speaker 2: this machination of what you're kind of describing, Satanic cult Nazism, right,
Speaker 2: so they deeply venerated Hitler and the ss Nazis. The
Speaker 2: leaders of the Processed Church cult would describe themselves as
Speaker 2: reincarnations of various Nazi leaders, some of which, to my account,
Speaker 2: were still alive at the time of some of these claims.
Speaker 2: So I don't know how the math works on that.
Speaker 2: To me, it doesn't math, but to them it math.
Speaker 2: So maybe that's Satan math. I don't know. This is
Speaker 2: a group that is basically the epicenter of these activities
Speaker 2: are discussing here, the Satanic cults and the Nazism.
Speaker 3: So so they were like channeling Dad slashed alive still Nazis.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't know what. Yeah, they claim to be
Speaker 2: the reincarnated versions of these things. Things they do, they
Speaker 2: do do channeling those they do have alien overlords as well,
Speaker 2: So why wouldn't they.
Speaker 3: It's you know, man, I hadn't heard that. That's that's wild.
Speaker 3: I mean what episode was Is there a Scientology Scientology
Speaker 3: connection as well? Did I hear that?
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how they started off. So the leaders were
Speaker 2: allegedly like the the main leader was him and his
Speaker 2: wife Robert Mariannea Grimston, as the legend goes he was.
Speaker 2: I mean, they were auditors in Scientology, so they were
Speaker 2: amongst the clergy class over there in London at the
Speaker 2: Scientology Center. That's where Old al Ron was living at
Speaker 2: the time, in the early nineteen sixties. He was on
Speaker 2: the lamb from the irs here in America and lord
Speaker 2: knows what else, but he's over there, and allegedly Robert
Speaker 2: and Grimston was one of his assistants, Like you know,
Speaker 2: he was close to Elron circle over there within the
Speaker 2: hierarchy of you know, Xenu territory of the Mayfair District there,
Speaker 2: you know, the Scientology Ville, which is where the processed
Speaker 2: church he erupts from, is the Mayfair District.
Speaker 3: I can't help but see Scientology through the lens of
Speaker 3: l Ron Hubbard and his you know mingling with Jack
Speaker 3: Parisans from the four late four that's that. Yeah, to
Speaker 3: me is like a quintessential story of how and I
Speaker 3: and I don't see this talked about or pointed out much.
Speaker 3: Nobody seems to point out the fact that l Ron
Speaker 3: Hubbard was hanging out in the desert with magicians and
Speaker 3: occultists doing bastardized versions or I don't know, sometimes just
Speaker 3: doing croley in magic and uh, that had to have
Speaker 3: affected him in starting the church later, right, like he
Speaker 3: was into magic before he was started Scientology.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean his own son would claim this later, right.
Speaker 2: Are you familiar with those interviews with not al Ron
Speaker 2: Look it is Alron J. He changed his name to
Speaker 2: something else, but he would make these claims that, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, all of this chrolism delema was deeply rooted
Speaker 2: in in Scientology's framework.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean you know they to it to maybe
Speaker 3: like air this out and and maybe like kind of
Speaker 3: drain some of the conspiracy for people if you can
Speaker 3: go and you can read about the Babylon working because
Speaker 3: because Parsons documented the whole thing in his diary and
Speaker 3: published it, and they went out to the Mahave Desert
Speaker 3: in nineteen forty six, and they did day after day
Speaker 3: after day of magical workings. It wasn't like it wasn't
Speaker 3: like one night or two nights in the desert. They
Speaker 3: went out there and like really did this thing, like
Speaker 3: committed to it, you know, like you know, it wasn't like,
Speaker 3: let's go camping in the desert and maybe do some magic,
Speaker 3: you know, maybe like tell ghost stories around the campfire. No,
Speaker 3: they committed to like at least a week or two.
Speaker 3: I think it was like fifteen days that he documented there.
Speaker 3: So like part you know all that say, Hubbard was
Speaker 3: really into this stuff.
Speaker 2: This is the Suicide Squad.
Speaker 3: I think I've heard them called that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, that was the That was the kind of
Speaker 2: collecquial name for Parson and his crew. Which, ah, that's right.
Speaker 2: Now I have this. I have a real anointing theory
Speaker 2: that all of Marvel and DC comics or the Limit
Speaker 2: and Scientology fan fiction, you got the DC Suicide Squad,
Speaker 2: you got these superhuman powers, which Scientology build a sixty
Speaker 2: million dollars structure in clear Water, Florida, called the Superpowers Building.
Speaker 2: So it's you know, you have these kind of things,
Speaker 2: and then Jack Parsons you're describing his birth name is
Speaker 2: Marvel Whiteside Parsons Jackson's nicknamed, So I think that is
Speaker 2: why they call it in Marvel comics.
Speaker 1: One thing I do when I just add to that
Speaker 1: is that a suicide squad would be fitting if I
Speaker 1: if I am correct when I say that magic is
Speaker 1: temporary suicide, that would make sense to culture.
Speaker 2: That's interesting. So that's even a deeper nod to the
Speaker 2: occultism there.
Speaker 1: I think. So see anything with death cults. Sometimes I
Speaker 1: think they're only killing themselves, not anybody else.
Speaker 2: That's interesting. And are you familiar with this name tam On,
Speaker 2: that same suicide squad of the Babylon markings you're describing,
Speaker 2: and alf Alfred Molina. I think it's a something something
Speaker 2: with Molina. We'll call him Phil Molina.
Speaker 3: No, So this is what I thought about the suicide squad.
Speaker 3: I thought that this was Parsons group that we're working on,
Speaker 3: you know, rocket stuff.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's my understanding. It's all the same mix right there.
Speaker 2: They'd invented the rocket fuel through these these same magical workings.
Speaker 2: They were doing some magical workings by day and some
Speaker 2: magical workings by night.
Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, I have to look more into that. What
Speaker 3: I was doing over here is I was pulling up
Speaker 3: this diary that Parsons kept and it says part of
Speaker 3: the ritual. So so part of the ritual that him
Speaker 3: and l Ron Hubbard did was over a period of
Speaker 3: eleven days from January fourth to January fifteenth, nineteen forty six.
Speaker 3: And a lot of these days, like for instance, January fifth,
Speaker 3: he puts in a journal entry and he says, January fifth,
Speaker 3: a strong windstorm began suddenly around the middle of the
Speaker 3: first in the cation. So I you know, if when
Speaker 3: you read through this, if you just imagine these guys
Speaker 3: are out in my hobby, do an invocation, and wind
Speaker 3: storm picks up. And then the next day, on the
Speaker 3: January sixth, he goes, Okay, this is his entry. He says,
Speaker 3: invoked as before winstorm continued intermittently all day all night
Speaker 3: January seventh, invoked twice when subsided they used on January
Speaker 3: the seventh, apparently they used violent Concerto number two as
Speaker 3: a musical background. That's that's that's interesting. That's Russian classical.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: And it's a guy named pro procole Fief. I don't
Speaker 3: know how to pronounce his name, but the composer was
Speaker 3: Proca Leaf, who Rudolph Steiner wrote a book about. So
Speaker 3: they're using like like cool, like like occult influenced classical music.
Speaker 3: H January the eighth, he writes, invoked twice, using blood
Speaker 3: this time. January ninth invoked twice, replenishing material basis okay,
Speaker 3: and I'm going to stop after this because I'm not
Speaker 3: going to read every single thing here, but I've got
Speaker 3: to read this one. On January the tenth, this is
Speaker 3: where it gets wild, Parsons says, invoked twice. I retired
Speaker 3: around eleven pm and was awakened at twelve pm by
Speaker 3: nine strong rapid knocks. A table lamp at the opposite
Speaker 3: corner of the room was thrown violently to the floor
Speaker 3: and broken. There was no window in this corner and
Speaker 3: no wind was blowing at the time. Basically, he's saying
Speaker 3: it was like a poulsry ice kind of thing.
Speaker 2: Sounds like some devil shit, yeah, man.
Speaker 3: So you know that's how this goes, just to give
Speaker 3: people a taste of what he kind of what he
Speaker 3: and l Ron were up to out there. Man, it
Speaker 3: gets weirder from here. I mean, like.
Speaker 2: It's pretty weird already.
Speaker 3: It's so much weirder man, imagine how it's like, so okay,
Speaker 3: then they so they left right, they left the desert.
Speaker 3: They actually come back later in March to finish the
Speaker 3: Babylon Working, because it says here the final part of
Speaker 3: the Babylon Working took place over three nights from March
Speaker 3: second to March fourth, with l Ron Hubberd acting as
Speaker 3: scribe and Parsons acting as high priest. According to the
Speaker 3: record of the events, Hubbard became a seer and a
Speaker 3: mouthpiece for a vision that he had. Oh no for
Speaker 3: the session. And he had a vision and he said,
Speaker 3: a savage and beautiful woman writing naked on a great
Speaker 3: cat like beasts was shown to me, and that this
Speaker 3: crazy savage woman was like adamant that she had an
Speaker 3: urgent message to like give to them. So it gets
Speaker 3: into this horror of babylon like symbolism that you skip
Speaker 3: see from back in the day. I mean, I think
Speaker 3: personally that they were tapping into maybe Ashtar.
Speaker 1: I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't know, because that's the Ishtar in Nana. She
Speaker 3: was like the goddess Babylon in my opinion, and I
Speaker 3: and I get that from a book from an occultist.
Speaker 3: The book is called the Red Goddess. This guy took
Speaker 3: seven years to write a book on the the Goddess
Speaker 3: Babylon and and what he surmised was that the Goddess
Speaker 3: Babylon in her earliest form was Ishtar and Anna from
Speaker 3: the you know, from the Gilbermage and like the Sumerian myths,
Speaker 3: and in my opinion, it seems like they may they
Speaker 3: may have tapped into that.
Speaker 2: So so what what do you think? Do you think
Speaker 2: this guy was the product of that that Richard, what
Speaker 2: we were talking about there? This is al Ron Hubbard junior.
Speaker 2: He's the he's trapping. He's a handsome young jant, isn't he.
Speaker 3: Yeah, he looks like he's on the office man, some
Speaker 3: some sort of TV show like that.
Speaker 2: He's been. He's been compared to Bubbles from Trailer Park Boys.
Speaker 3: Yeah, there is that's it. That's it.
Speaker 1: Uh.
Speaker 3: I need to hear this man. I'd love to hear
Speaker 3: what this guy has to say. You know, I had
Speaker 3: heard that he talked about his father and exposed some
Speaker 3: stuff or whatnot, but I've never gone and listened to
Speaker 3: it myself. Yeah, what do you think? Was he the
Speaker 3: moon child?
Speaker 2: Pretty pretty sure? You ritual? Pretty shitty ritual. He was right.
Speaker 2: Look at this guy, he's not I mean, he's not
Speaker 2: like full blown retarded. But you can listen to that interview.
Speaker 2: Something right, somebody right with this boy?
Speaker 3: Yeah, something's off. It looks like, well they say that
Speaker 3: what Marjorie Cameron Green? Is that her name?
Speaker 2: Does she kind of? Yeah, she's Cameron. I think you
Speaker 2: just mashed together like a political character in this I
Speaker 2: like it. I know, I like it. I do that show.
Speaker 2: It's time Marjorie. Marjorie Cameron is supposed to the horror Babylon, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so like apparently, you know, legend goes that after
Speaker 3: one of these stints out in the desert, they come
Speaker 3: back to Pasadena or wherever they're at, and they show
Speaker 3: up and uh, she's just there waiting for for them
Speaker 3: like they have she she I don't know, she just
Speaker 3: shows up and and Parson sees that as a sign
Speaker 3: that that they're working is going, you know, the way
Speaker 3: he kind of wants it to go or whatnot? Right,
Speaker 3: And then and then later people have said that she
Speaker 3: was uh some sort of a I don't know, like
Speaker 3: an egg or Gore come to life. I don't remember
Speaker 3: how people put it, but she herself was some sort
Speaker 3: of a moon child that was produced from this What
Speaker 3: do you think about all this nick by the way,
Speaker 3: but I mean, do you think it's just a bunch
Speaker 3: of you know, nonsense or what.
Speaker 1: I'm sure they're up to? You know what the I
Speaker 1: would have to honestly for me, uh, just my opinion,
Speaker 1: I would have to know more and actually know, like
Speaker 1: I would have to almost look at the ritual for
Speaker 1: me to have an opinion on what's actually going on.
Speaker 2: I hear you, I'll tell you what I think. I
Speaker 2: think they think they're doing something. And I'll say what
Speaker 2: I think that they think they're doing. And that's there
Speaker 2: are a bunch of spooks, will arpen about a bunch
Speaker 2: of nonsense, you know what I mean, Because when you
Speaker 2: get down to the brass tacks of all this stuff,
Speaker 2: it's all spook activities, Parsons included. Right. You know you
Speaker 2: got some Nazis around him. That Theodore von Carmon character,
Speaker 2: he seems a bit suspect.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean these guys definitely got involved with
Speaker 3: with the military and a government. You know, A quino
Speaker 3: comes to mind.
Speaker 1: Oh, I definitely think they're all doing something together. Just
Speaker 1: when it comes to the rituals and what they're actually doing.
Speaker 1: I I really I had to have to look at
Speaker 1: more stuff to be able to give an opinion on that.
Speaker 3: So according to this, they were scrying and they started
Speaker 3: and I didn't go. You know, this is kind of
Speaker 3: where I left off Parson's diary entries here. But they
Speaker 3: kept going and they kept scrying, and they had messages
Speaker 3: come through. So and that's you know it.
Speaker 2: Just love that's crying these ceremonial magicians. That sounds like
Speaker 2: some Croley or some Justice Smith stuff, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well it did. Dan Kelly though they were a
Speaker 1: huge into that.
Speaker 2: There you go.
Speaker 3: Parson says he feels as if he has been given
Speaker 3: a message and a plan when all this is said
Speaker 3: and done, and it says, uh, I think this is correct.
Speaker 3: He was so like invigorated by whatever happened to them
Speaker 3: out there that he wrote Crowley on March sixth and
Speaker 3: you know, said some stuff to to Crowley. I think
Speaker 3: Parsons said that his message that was given to him
Speaker 3: was that he was to act as an instructor, guardian
Speaker 3: and guide for nine months or nine moons and then
Speaker 3: it will be released on the world.
Speaker 2: Yeah, is this guy right here. There you go, l
Speaker 2: Run Hubber Junior ak bubbles.
Speaker 3: I will add though, I will add if you look
Speaker 3: at the the timeframe of this, that nine months that
Speaker 3: he's talking about, when when that nine months is up,
Speaker 3: it is the beginning of nineteen forty seven. So that's
Speaker 3: why I think maybe some people tie Roswell into this.
Speaker 2: Sure, sure, what was Jack say fairy? L Ron Hubber
Speaker 2: Junior was born in thirty four. But I'm still gonna
Speaker 2: I'm still gonna make that joke that this guy right
Speaker 2: here is the moonchild. We look at him, he's a character. Yeah,
Speaker 2: I definitely check out his interviews. He has some interesting
Speaker 2: stuff to say about his dad.
Speaker 3: You think he was Grifton? Was he trying to sell
Speaker 3: a book? Or do you think he's telling the truth?
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't now. His half brother got merged
Speaker 2: around the same time he started talking, So there's probably
Speaker 2: something you said about that.
Speaker 1: What was Parsons deal with? I used to remember, honestly,
Speaker 1: if forgot, what was his deal with like the rockets
Speaker 1: and stuff, like, what was his contribution that was like
Speaker 1: supposedly like the reason why the military was interested.
Speaker 3: Well, he he helped kickstart JPL Labs. I think it's
Speaker 3: what it's called, and it became it was associated with NASA,
Speaker 3: it was associated with the origins of NASA.
Speaker 2: It's been the jet that it's the jet they called
Speaker 2: the Jet Propulsion Laboratories, but I think it's always been
Speaker 2: called Jack Parson Labs if you ask me. But it
Speaker 2: is where the NASA projects of all the rockets free
Speaker 2: comes from, right, Yeah, all the actual rocket insurance and stuff.
Speaker 2: So back to the suicide squad. The guy was talking
Speaker 2: about Molina. Its name is Frank So his son in law.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, his son is married to Glene Maxwell's sister.
Speaker 2: That's a side tangent, but he was part of the
Speaker 2: suicide squad, right, And the way Parson talks about the
Speaker 2: suicide squad was they invented solid state rocket fuel through
Speaker 2: doing ritual magic in the southern California desert. So I
Speaker 2: don't know where the That's why I was being like,
Speaker 2: he's doing that by daytime, right, and he's got these
Speaker 2: nighttime rituals as well in the desert. But he himself
Speaker 2: says that they invented solid state rocket fuel. Does that
Speaker 2: be a ritual magic?
Speaker 1: Does that have anything to do with us getting to space.
Speaker 2: You mean the things that they.
Speaker 1: Jack Parsons was does Jack Parsons influenced anything? Yes, that
Speaker 1: sends us to space?
Speaker 2: The giant Dick statues that.
Speaker 1: Whatever fucking ship off, it looks like as long as
Speaker 1: it sends us to space, does he influenced?
Speaker 2: They used the Parsons fuel, right, he made the solid
Speaker 2: state rocket fuel.
Speaker 3: Right.
Speaker 1: This this is something I want to make a point at.
Speaker 1: And I said, may sound far fetched. I just wanted
Speaker 1: to try to make this this link. I don't buy
Speaker 1: we're going there at all. I don't buy these things
Speaker 1: are going there anywhere. So was their workings the whole
Speaker 1: thing of convincing the public we are.
Speaker 2: That's the magic show, right, Yeah, not to mention Parsons,
Speaker 2: that's the magic show.
Speaker 3: Was getting very well connected with some of the Nazis
Speaker 3: from paper Clip during this process, because you know what, well, okay, here,
Speaker 3: for example, the numbers are kind of finicky, depends on
Speaker 3: what website you go to. But I think the last
Speaker 3: time I checked it said that Darren Nuremberg, speaking of syops,
Speaker 3: I think that's a giant syop. And I'll tell you why,
Speaker 3: because dear in Nuremberg, they only tried I don't know.
Speaker 3: Two hundred and sixteen. That's the current number. I've seen
Speaker 3: hundred and sixteen Nazis. But at the heighth of the war,
Speaker 3: there were eight million members of the Nazi Party. So
Speaker 3: what happened to the rest of them? Right, Well, we
Speaker 3: got a bunch of them in our aerospace NASA programs
Speaker 3: and that's where they were brushing shoulders with Parsons. So
Speaker 3: he so he's interconnected with these knots like von Braund,
Speaker 3: warn Berger, Uh, what's his.
Speaker 1: Nice I think Nazis mind fox. I think they're all
Speaker 1: visual mind fucks. That's what they do.
Speaker 2: Well, that's that's for damn. Certain nick And and von
Speaker 2: Braun and Parsons knew each other for many years preceding
Speaker 2: his invasion of America. I believe it was in around
Speaker 2: Jack was about fifteen, and he started a pen pal
Speaker 2: relationship with Nazi scientists. Warn't von Braun, Yep.
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, And like those guys are no strangers to
Speaker 3: the occult. The Nazis weren't. They were all the main
Speaker 3: Nazis were involved.
Speaker 1: Look at look at whichever ones came over here, all
Speaker 1: the ones that were into botany. I guarantee you were
Speaker 1: a cultist, because that's like a hand in hand thing.
Speaker 1: If you're a Nazi and you're an ocultist, you're also
Speaker 1: into botany. We got a lot of We got a
Speaker 1: lot of them that were into botany.
Speaker 2: This is my problem with the nat with the Project
Speaker 2: paper Clips stuff. Everyone focuses on the rocket Nazis, and
Speaker 2: there was a lot of other Nazis invaded at the
Speaker 2: same time. But I mean, the rocket one should not
Speaker 2: be ignored. But I'm just saying, like it is an
Speaker 2: odd magic showing that itself that we focus on the
Speaker 2: rocket Nazis.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I like that you said invaded though, because they invasion.
Speaker 3: That was that was an invasion, man, like to the
Speaker 3: point where I think, you know, this is something I've
Speaker 3: come to believe or or the thought that I've had recently.
Speaker 3: It bothered me for a long time, but it's you know,
Speaker 3: Eisenhower on his way out of office, he says he
Speaker 3: warns the American people about the military industrial complex, and
Speaker 3: I always scratched my head over that. I'm like, Okay,
Speaker 3: why why is this guy? Because this guy's in bed
Speaker 3: with Alan Doles and Edward Burnez, you know, CIA m
Speaker 3: K culture. They're running pop propaganda game all day, all
Speaker 3: night on the American people. Eisenhower is kind of a
Speaker 3: corrupt dude.
Speaker 2: Man.
Speaker 3: When you see the wars he helped facilitate with the CIA,
Speaker 3: Why is he Why is this corrupt guy warning the
Speaker 3: American people about corruption?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: Well, he's warning about the military industrial complex aka the
Speaker 3: pay per clip Nazis because they invaded the military industrial complex.
Speaker 2: They're a big part of it.
Speaker 1: Sure, corruption, That's fine. It sounds like Trump, So.
Speaker 2: Where I think we're not even talking like that. Many
Speaker 2: different subjects like that far apart here with Parsons in
Speaker 2: this activity, not just in the fact they're doing rocket stuff,
Speaker 2: but as far as deep politics or pay of politics go, right,
Speaker 2: like the the folks that you know who uh, you
Speaker 2: know who really are responsible for this. A lot of
Speaker 2: the Nazi invasion is the Dulles brothers, right for sure?
Speaker 3: Yep, Because yeah, Dolls, Dolls facilitated this. A big part
Speaker 3: of Dolls had a strong alliance with Ryan Hart.
Speaker 2: Galen Yep, yep, big time.
Speaker 3: Galen was Hitler's one of Hitler's top spymasters. Galen had
Speaker 3: an extensive network, uh that he had set up of
Speaker 3: you know, clandestine activities with the Russians.
Speaker 2: And uh, well they had further the war, right, that's well.
Speaker 3: He had that during the war, Galen.
Speaker 2: Had that they had to continue the combat, right.
Speaker 3: Well, yes, or like with the Cold War, Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 2: Right exactly. Yeah, that was the relationship with with with
Speaker 2: Bryan Hart Galen. He he helped perpetrate the Cold War for.
Speaker 3: The Yeah, yes, so so yes. So after the war
Speaker 3: he comes and works for us. He's got that worked
Speaker 3: out with Dolls, uh yeah, and Doulas basically lets him
Speaker 3: continue to use his pre existing spy network during the
Speaker 3: Cold War against the Russians. So I guess in that
Speaker 3: regard he was a big asset for us. But at
Speaker 3: the same time, at the end of the day, he's
Speaker 3: you know, he's an ex Nazi and he's writing up
Speaker 3: memos that the president, the President Truman himself was reading
Speaker 3: Galen's memos on spy. So he had a Nazi you know,
Speaker 3: reporting and influencing the president directly in that case.
Speaker 2: Oh, they were well accepted, well accepted.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, these Nazis total with these guys.
Speaker 2: There's a there's a Mormon Warner von Braun Disney film
Speaker 2: you can watch from the fifties on, you know, regarding space.
Speaker 2: You know, these are people where that were well chairished
Speaker 2: amongst elements society and a very specific society I IF
Speaker 2: I IF I you know, as I claim, the Society
Speaker 2: of the Cincinnati, which is the secret society that started America.
Speaker 2: And in my opinion and I assert all all conspiracies
Speaker 2: in America go back to the Society of Cincinnati. Like
Speaker 2: Jack Parsons, his paternal heritage goes back to a Colonel
Speaker 2: Parsons out of the Massachusetts chapter of the Society of Cincinnati,
Speaker 2: which is it's an organization started by George Washington. They're
Speaker 2: the they and all of his officers and was to
Speaker 2: become a modern day knighthood where the membership has passed
Speaker 2: down through the paternal bloodlines.
Speaker 3: So this is interesting to me, man, because I'm working
Speaker 3: on something right now that has to do with George Washington.
Speaker 3: So I'm taking notes.
Speaker 2: There you go. That's what it's So these folks, these
Speaker 2: folks have been These folks have been running America since
Speaker 2: they started it. Literally, so the u in in that
Speaker 2: regard the Dellas brothers fall within this. This This is
Speaker 2: what I like to call the Anglo American influence, right
Speaker 2: the this anti liberty influence so within this group of
Speaker 2: the society. So they've been they've been at war with
Speaker 2: one another since this country began. So when Alexander Hamilton
Speaker 2: got murdered by Aaron Burr, the official story is that's
Speaker 2: not considered part of the Aaron Burr coup to take
Speaker 2: over America. However, I would argue that's the first step
Speaker 2: in that process. Alexander Hamilton was the President general of
Speaker 2: the Society of the Cincinnati, right so, and and Aaron
Speaker 2: Burr was also a member so of the same secret society.
Speaker 2: So the way I look at it was like this,
Speaker 2: not all US presidents for freemasons, but all US presidents
Speaker 2: are members of the Society of the Cincinnati.
Speaker 3: And Washington started it, and Washington.
Speaker 2: Started it, and it's passed down, you know, through the
Speaker 2: bloodlines paternally, and there's I mean, I can make an
Speaker 2: argument for every American conspiracy revolves around the Society of Cincinnati,
Speaker 2: including what we're describing here, even down to the occult
Speaker 2: stuff where you find folks like Jack Parsons who have
Speaker 2: this heritage. Whether or not he was a member, I
Speaker 2: couldn't tell you. I ain't seen his card, but his
Speaker 2: paternal forefather was a member. It was one of the
Speaker 2: original members.
Speaker 3: Kind of reminds me a little bit of the Cosmos Club.
Speaker 2: All right, I'm not familiar with that, So.
Speaker 3: That's it's you can look it up. You'll still if
Speaker 3: you write in Cosmos Club, what will come up is
Speaker 3: this old building looks like something out of comic books,
Speaker 3: like what we were talking about earlier, Like it looks
Speaker 3: like a League of Extraordinary Gentlemen or like X Men building. Right,
Speaker 3: it's still there in Washington to this day. And I
Speaker 3: haven't done an extensive amount of research on this, but
Speaker 3: I do know that one of the guys involved was
Speaker 3: John Wesley Powell, and I'm just taking his back full
Speaker 3: circle to something you talked about early in the intro,
Speaker 3: which is giants, one of the guys who helped the Smithsonian.
Speaker 2: This is the Cosmos Club.
Speaker 3: Tim, that's it, man, that's it. See there's John Wesson
Speaker 3: Powell right there.
Speaker 2: I know exactly where this building is.
Speaker 3: Nice.
Speaker 2: This sits directly across the street from the headquarters of
Speaker 2: the Society of the Cincinnati What ya, dude, what I
Speaker 2: know exactly where this building is?
Speaker 3: Does it sits across the street?
Speaker 2: For real?
Speaker 1: You know, you know what's crazy. You know what's crazy.
Speaker 2: I'll bring up a picture of this next man there.
Speaker 2: I took him there before.
Speaker 1: You know what's crazy. So I may actually have footage
Speaker 1: of that building, because when when I wasn't with you, JJ,
Speaker 1: I went back to these places. I think you remember that,
Speaker 1: even the day when it was too hot, I still
Speaker 1: went back. I'm almost positive there was like a lot
Speaker 1: of the architecture over there, my opinion, has the same
Speaker 1: exact eyeball occult symbolism. And there was one across from
Speaker 1: Cincinnatis that had it that I filmed because I was like, yo,
Speaker 1: this has the same exact fucking architecture on it, but
Speaker 1: it looked like a completely different building. And I was like,
Speaker 1: you know, maybe it was built back, you know whatever.
Speaker 1: I'm trying to figure it out, like, you know, justify it.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's not the same stuff, But I think I
Speaker 1: filmed that. Actually I might have that in my on
Speaker 1: my computer. Believe it or not, that.
Speaker 3: Building, JJ. Can you go back to the Wikipedia page
Speaker 3: real quick, the main Wikipedia page. Yeah, yeah, so it
Speaker 3: says like this was it's you know, this is what
Speaker 3: they told everybody, right, this is its stated goals. It
Speaker 3: says the advance the advancement of its members in science, literature,
Speaker 3: and art, and also their mutual improvement by social intercourse.
Speaker 3: That's a weird way of putting it. In social intercourse.
Speaker 3: What what some of the things that they're really up to,
Speaker 3: because you know, it's a little bit more nefarious than
Speaker 3: what they have listed here. Of course, So Wes John
Speaker 3: Wesley Powell was a guy at one point who was
Speaker 3: in charge of sort of guiding where they placed the railroad.
Speaker 2: And what. I'm not too hip to him. He was
Speaker 2: a big railroad bird.
Speaker 3: Well, he was a lot of things.
Speaker 2: He was a lot of things.
Speaker 3: He's he's he was involved with the Smithsonian as well.
Speaker 2: I see that Bureau of Ethnology. So he was a
Speaker 2: mound guy.
Speaker 3: Yes, that's where I'm going with this, bro, I'm going
Speaker 3: straight to the giants with this because this guy and
Speaker 3: I used to got I'll tell people straight up, I'll
Speaker 3: be completely transparent about this. I used to think that
Speaker 3: this giants thing was a big and so I looked,
Speaker 3: I looked into it, and I realized there's something here.
Speaker 3: They really were pulling giants out of these mounts, and
Speaker 3: there really was a cover up and this guy right
Speaker 3: here was involved directly with the cover up. And he
Speaker 3: wasn't just covering up like giant bones. He was taking out,
Speaker 3: taking out ancient civilizations, like they put a lot of
Speaker 3: them underwater under lakes. They put they would put in dams,
Speaker 3: and they would totally put a big body of water
Speaker 3: over ancient cities. Man, for real, like Teleco Lake and Tennessee.
Speaker 3: I could prove it there's a there's an ancient city
Speaker 3: down there at temples and all kinds of stuff that's
Speaker 3: not supposed to be here. And this guy was a
Speaker 3: big part of that cover up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's now his name rings A Bell. I didn't
Speaker 2: know he was associated with that building. That's wild. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and you're talking you're talking to the right man here
Speaker 2: about ancient civilizations buried under water here intentionally, I discovered
Speaker 2: this Yere Mound complex at the bottom of a lake
Speaker 2: here in Ohio courtesy of the Society and Cincinnati map
Speaker 2: with the instructions written on the bottom. Don't mind these
Speaker 2: in these retired NSA guys are like I got into
Speaker 2: a dispute with a few years ago, like we found
Speaker 2: it somewhere else. I'm like, dude, did you read the map, Like,
Speaker 2: we don't need a map. I'm like, did you read
Speaker 2: the map though, because the map will tell you exactly
Speaker 2: where this was. So but yeah, you're right, they intentional
Speaker 2: these ancient sites right across yeah, across America.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: Yeah, even the Hoover Dam was one like, uh, the
Speaker 3: Hoover there's a you can look it up. It was like, uh,
Speaker 3: what's it. There's a whole culture that was flooded down there.
Speaker 3: It was an ancient city down there, you know.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they were part of the pleblo of people. So
Speaker 3: or that's what they said. But we had like, so
Speaker 3: wait before I keep going though, what this was under
Speaker 3: This is underwater in Ohio right now?
Speaker 2: Yeah, East four Ok Lake just east of Cincinnati and
Speaker 2: Claremont County. Very Society of Cincinnati related settlements here. The
Speaker 2: City of Cincinnati Claimont County specifically. But yeah, this was
Speaker 2: uh so the Army Corps of Engineers part of that
Speaker 2: damning project you were talking about. They wanted to flood
Speaker 2: this town and build this dam for you know, hydro
Speaker 2: electric power, I think is what their initial claim was.
Speaker 2: The local sued stopped it. They you know, the Army
Speaker 2: Corps of Engineers lost. They got an injunction on it,
Speaker 2: and they said, fuck fuck your what, We're doing it anyway.
Speaker 2: So in nineteen sixty eight they objected to the you know,
Speaker 2: they violated the court order and went ahead and buried
Speaker 2: this site anyhow.
Speaker 3: M h well, that's what they did here in Tennessee.
Speaker 3: It's right outside of Knoxville. It was the Little Tennessee River,
Speaker 3: and I've got the I've got the map of it.
Speaker 3: There were there were seven to eight Cherokee cities down
Speaker 3: there along that river. One of them was called Chodah.
Speaker 3: It was, it was on the map. They called it
Speaker 3: Cherokee Metropolis. This was an actual city with buildings. Wasn't
Speaker 3: teepees and fires.
Speaker 2: This was Oh, yes, sir, they built break homes. You're
Speaker 2: I'm Scott's Irish Cherokee. You're you're uh you're again? What's you?
Speaker 2: You're talking to our subject, right, my wheelhouse friend? Yeah?
Speaker 3: Well I love it, man, I love that. You know
Speaker 3: what I'm talking about here?
Speaker 2: And uh, it's big mound country down there.
Speaker 3: Right, absolutely absolutely, And all those mounds and and those
Speaker 3: associated towns are all underwater. It's called Teleco Lake, Tva, Tennessee.
Speaker 3: I don't remember what a stands were Tennessee. Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 3: They they flooded it in the seventies, not too far
Speaker 3: off of this time frame you're working with with. This
Speaker 3: is one in Cincinnati here a couple of years later,
Speaker 3: I think, and they there were scientists and scholars from Cambridge.
Speaker 3: I think it was. It was either Oxford Cambridge, but
Speaker 3: I think it was Cambridge. They were down there. They
Speaker 3: were in the process of escavator excavating a temple. One
Speaker 3: of the guys from Cambridge said it was an Egyptian temple. Interesting,
Speaker 3: So I think that the Cherokee moved into an older location.
Speaker 3: I think there was a you know, an older group
Speaker 3: of people from somewhere else, probably from the Mediterranean, uh
Speaker 3: and or thereabouts, that came over here, established a civilization.
Speaker 3: They probably had their hands I'll talk about this in
Speaker 3: a second, man.
Speaker 2: Leave that up.
Speaker 3: They had their hands on advanced technology, I think, and
Speaker 3: something happened to them. Well, I know for sure that
Speaker 3: there was a war with the Giants that the Cherokee recorded.
Speaker 3: Because the Cherokee come from Iroquois stock that means they
Speaker 3: eventually they came down from up north. They were up
Speaker 3: there in New England and.
Speaker 2: They're still Cherokee up in New England by the way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and they recorded a war with the Alajeewe giants
Speaker 3: right there around the Pittsburgh area. But so anyway, whatever
Speaker 3: happened to these people that got wiped out, I think,
Speaker 3: and then the Cherokee moved in and they established this
Speaker 3: settlement down there along the Little Tennessee River that is
Speaker 3: now of course under Tellico Lake because these Basterds flooded
Speaker 3: the whole thing mid excavation. But one of the other
Speaker 3: things that come out of there, in addition to potentially
Speaker 3: having a Cherokee I'm sorry, an Egyptian temple, you also
Speaker 3: have this right here. It's called the Back Creek Stone.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and uh, this what your thoughts on this? It
Speaker 2: seems to be that this is evidence of what you're
Speaker 2: exactly described now, right right right, This is the seafair
Speaker 2: and culture that came over here a long time ago, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, this is this is thought to be Paleo Hebrew.
Speaker 2: Paleo Hebrews basically confirmed to me that right first a d.
Speaker 3: Hebrew, right I think so? Yeah, yeah, because that was
Speaker 3: it was.
Speaker 2: Located in a mound in Cherokee territory. Right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. So here's the deal that Creek is back.
Speaker 3: Creek was right on that little Tennessee River right outside
Speaker 3: of SA.
Speaker 2: Right. So that's what I'm saying, this is, this is
Speaker 2: evidence of precisely what you're describing. Is I mean, there
Speaker 2: is evidence to support all these things. And I don't
Speaker 2: think folks really you know, I think a lot of times,
Speaker 2: especially you know main you know, main science folks, you know,
Speaker 2: these these aren't recognized facts, right, but like they're clearly facts, right,
Speaker 2: And they're clearly evidence of what some of these mounds
Speaker 2: have aside from the giants, which I think is another
Speaker 2: important factor you it out. Yeah, I've got evidence like
Speaker 2: this right that it shows these cultures existed here.
Speaker 3: Okay, So I've got this thing. I got a picture
Speaker 3: on my phone. I just pulled it up. It's, uh,
Speaker 3: one of the it's one of the inscriptions that they
Speaker 3: think they translated this stone that you have up sure,
Speaker 3: and they think it says holiness to the Lord. And
Speaker 3: they're saying it was an inscription worn on the forehead
Speaker 3: of the high priest, as described in Exodus thirty, and
Speaker 3: it says and they made the plate of the Holy
Speaker 3: crown of pure gold and wrote upon it in a
Speaker 3: writing like to the engraving of a signet Holiness to
Speaker 3: the Lord the almost like a siedule or something. That's
Speaker 3: what they think that this is.
Speaker 2: Right, So this was kind of found under a sanctioned
Speaker 2: smiths Onian dig, so they really couldn't be like nah, right,
Speaker 2: and how it went down right? Right?
Speaker 3: Yeah, they also found a Paleo Hebrew coins down there
Speaker 3: in Back Creek too before they flooded it, so.
Speaker 2: I didn't know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I got it. Yeah, it's a coin of the
Speaker 3: First Jewish War with Paleo Hebrew written letters similar to
Speaker 3: those claimed. Okay, blah blah blah.
Speaker 2: But yeah, let me let me see if I have
Speaker 2: this correct here, Tim, So you need to tell me
Speaker 2: that John Wesley pay All, the guy that clearly you know,
Speaker 2: hit a lot of this evidence from the Smithsonian stuff
Speaker 2: started the Cosmos Club. It sits across the street from
Speaker 2: the Society, literally from the Society of the Cincinnati.
Speaker 3: From here to here, it appears to be such.
Speaker 2: So that's that's a weird dynamic. And here's why. So,
Speaker 2: as you point out, the Smithsonian did a great job
Speaker 2: at hiding these evidence of these stuff in the fount
Speaker 2: of these mounds. They eventually had to concede on the
Speaker 2: Back Creek stone after you know, the Cherokee had an
Speaker 2: uprising about it. But which is a good point. They
Speaker 2: obviously did hide these things. But that's not how they started, right,
Speaker 2: It's not how they started. So strangely enough, the folks
Speaker 2: that started the Smithsonian were the Society of Cincinnati, you know,
Speaker 2: members of the Society of the Cincinnati and names you
Speaker 2: probably are familiar with. Somebody named Jefferson Davis. He was
Speaker 2: the other first president in America if you know what
Speaker 2: I mean, the Confederate States of America. That is, so
Speaker 2: he was a US center for Mississippi and he helped
Speaker 2: he was set on the Senate committee that helped start
Speaker 2: the Smithsonian and you know, proceeding in the Civil War obviously.
Speaker 2: And another individual involved in that was an hereditary member
Speaker 2: I believe of the Putnam family, uh, the descendant of
Speaker 2: General Israel Putnam of the Rhode Island Chapter. So these
Speaker 2: are the folks that helped start the Smithsonian. And their
Speaker 2: first project was to go study the mounds. Wow, are
Speaker 2: you familiar with that? Survey the ancient monuments of the
Speaker 2: Mississippi Valley by Squire and Davis.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I've looked at that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was their project. That's that was the initial
Speaker 2: onset of the creation of the Smithsonian. That was their
Speaker 2: first first project.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, it seems like all these guys, these first presidents,
Speaker 3: I'm learning something here, man, I didn't know anything about
Speaker 3: this first Cincinnati. So like, so, you know what they
Speaker 3: called George Washington, right, the Indians Native Americans called him
Speaker 3: devour of villages because he went in and cleared out
Speaker 3: These guys were all about clearing out the natives.
Speaker 2: You know, well, it depends on which I think it
Speaker 2: depends on which, to be fairly, it depends on which
Speaker 2: tribes you're talking because there was the British, uh, you know,
Speaker 2: faction British, you know, sided faction of tribes even within
Speaker 2: the tribes. So not only did you have some tribes
Speaker 2: that completely decided with the British, and you know, oh yeah,
Speaker 2: you had you know, other tribes like the Cherokee, who
Speaker 2: they split. Yeah, so the British recognized one leader and
Speaker 2: Washington recognized a different leader. Yeah.
Speaker 3: But but what I'm what I'm getting at is eventually
Speaker 3: they they pushed these people out, Like I'm saying they
Speaker 3: were not only getting rid of the dead Native American culture,
Speaker 3: but they are getting rid of living Native American culture.
Speaker 3: It it didn't fit. It just seems like it didn't
Speaker 3: fit into their model of what they wanted this place
Speaker 3: to be. It's it falls right in line with manifest
Speaker 3: destiny they you know, Yeah, they wanted these people to
Speaker 3: appear as savages and not civilized so that they could
Speaker 3: justify taking their lands. Essentially, that, in my opinion, that's
Speaker 3: what this is all about.
Speaker 2: And yeah, I mean, I hear what you're saying. I
Speaker 2: just think it's a little slightly more nuanced than that.
Speaker 2: But I sure, no, it is.
Speaker 3: It's totally more nuanced than that. But if I had
Speaker 3: to boil it down and say that, what's one of
Speaker 3: the main factors, That's what I would say. Personally.
Speaker 2: I hear you, and I I don't necessarily disagree with
Speaker 2: the service. Let's let's take a gator's I view here
Speaker 2: at Jefferson Davis's giant dick statue. Why why are the
Speaker 2: two first presidents of America Washington and Davis have the
Speaker 2: two giant, two biggest dick statues in America?
Speaker 3: U A cyrus?
Speaker 2: Yeah, right, that's the obelisk. Right, it's a giant missing fallus. Right,
Speaker 2: it's the giant Dick statue. It's the rockets the Nazis
Speaker 2: are shooting off into the ocean. It's a giant Dick statue. Right.
Speaker 2: These are all the same occult I could be wrong.
Speaker 2: To me, they seem like all these same cult occult symbolism.
Speaker 3: Yeah, mm hmm. I'm trying to remember the name of
Speaker 3: the president who has the hermitage out here.
Speaker 2: Oh, Andrew Jackson. Andrew Jackson.
Speaker 3: Uh, well, you know you know about him in the
Speaker 3: Trail of Tears, right, he pushed the rest of the
Speaker 3: Cherokey out via Trail of Tears. Sure, so you know
Speaker 3: they wanted to get rid of all this man.
Speaker 2: And I think I think, I think he made some
Speaker 2: allegiances that he caused them to do these things. Sure,
Speaker 2: he's an interesting character, that Andrew Jackson. Back to that
Speaker 2: Aaron Burr conspiracy, he kind of sat on the fence
Speaker 2: of that whole matter in an interesting manner. He's also
Speaker 2: got a giant Dick statue on a mound down in
Speaker 2: New Orleans for the Battle of New Orleans that he's
Speaker 2: so infamous for. But there at the hermitage. He's also
Speaker 2: got a Dick statue, not quite as big as the
Speaker 2: New Orleans one. Also on the mound.
Speaker 3: Well that's the see. There were still Cherokee living in
Speaker 3: in this choda uh Tennase or t A n s A. I.
Speaker 3: I think it's where they derive Tennessee from. There was
Speaker 3: another Cherokee city right there next to Chota called Tennessee.
Speaker 3: There were people still living there and the government came
Speaker 3: in and took it and they moved them to Arkansas
Speaker 3: and to but and then and then Jackson comes down
Speaker 3: with the axe and just says, no, everybody's gone, and
Speaker 3: trail of tears and they they take them out west
Speaker 3: and uh, those who made it, of course had to
Speaker 3: live on reservations and you know, basically a foreign type
Speaker 3: of a place like they're used to like East Tennessee landscape,
Speaker 3: and now they're living in a desert essentially. So the
Speaker 3: whole thing is just, you know, it sucks.
Speaker 2: Oh it's not good.
Speaker 3: But you know, why did they do?
Speaker 2: I just think there's a lot of politics around. It's
Speaker 2: not really discussed, especially amongst these secret societies, and you know,
Speaker 2: the attempt at cups of America that continue on and
Speaker 2: around the Burke conspiracy as the onset. So, like I said,
Speaker 2: Jackson sits on the on the fence about that. I
Speaker 2: actually cover a lot of this, but uncovering a lot
Speaker 2: of these details around this Burke conspiracy and specifically Jackson's
Speaker 2: activities in a series I do. If you're in Operation
Speaker 2: GCD on my podcast called Chasing Mneir, which is one
Speaker 2: of the folk of the interwebs who heard my Society
Speaker 2: of the Cincinnati series and discovered it intersected with some of
Speaker 2: his genealogical work when he that's how he discovered it
Speaker 2: actually was through his genealogical work, and he happens to
Speaker 2: be descended from a guy in around the spook operations
Speaker 2: of George Washington. They were spying on the Aaron Burke conspiracy.
Speaker 2: But again Andrew Jackson, high ranking military officer who sits
Speaker 2: on the fence of that whole matter, and it involves
Speaker 2: matters with the Brits and the Spaniards. So very interesting. Well,
Speaker 2: I'm just saying you're not wrong what you're saying. You know,
Speaker 2: these trail of tears very devastating, But there's a lot
Speaker 2: of politics I think that get written off specifically on
Speaker 2: Andrew Jackson.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know why he signed it. I mean
Speaker 3: I've looked at that too. You know, it's I don't
Speaker 3: know if it's not as inhumane as it seems, but
Speaker 3: it seems to be brought in humane that you know,
Speaker 3: he brought down the acts on that was Was he
Speaker 3: a member of the Cincinnati Society, Oh for.
Speaker 2: Sure, for sure, for sure. Yeah. So and as far
Speaker 2: as some of these activities going specifically, as you mentioned
Speaker 2: with a Cherokee when I was mentioning, there's an interesting
Speaker 2: dynamic even during the revolution. So the British actually have
Speaker 2: a you know, an official ambassador I'm sorry, diplomatic relations
Speaker 2: invite over one Cherokee leader. They recognized him as the
Speaker 2: leader of the Cherokee. Washington did the same. I believe
Speaker 2: it was seventeen ninety two. The man he invited was
Speaker 2: a man of the society. He was a in the
Speaker 2: Georgia chapter George Lowry, the Scott's Scotch Cherokee fella. He
Speaker 2: was the debt He was on that on that diplomatic
Speaker 2: you know trip to Mount Vernon, because that's where George
Speaker 2: did his business from. He didn't, you know, never lived
Speaker 2: at the White House. So you know, there was that
Speaker 2: dynamic right there, and relative to more of these uh
Speaker 2: what you're saying as far as the onslaught of warfare
Speaker 2: for some of these tribes, specifically the Cherokee. So there
Speaker 2: was a fellow that got that got mrked in around
Speaker 2: the southwestern what is now the southwestern edge of Virginia.
Speaker 2: I guess it was probably back then st too, so
Speaker 2: in around Washington County regions of Virginia. And fellow by
Speaker 2: the name of Bob Bob Benji. He was this infamous
Speaker 2: Cherokee warrior guy who was notorries for basically murking everyone
Speaker 2: he came in contact with. And you know, once he
Speaker 2: was finally murdered by somebody there. You know, the story
Speaker 2: isn't really exactly told, but the context I will offer is,
Speaker 2: you know, it's not told with the context the contact
Speaker 2: I will offer is that this is that ongoing dispute
Speaker 2: I'm talking about with and these factional you know, positions
Speaker 2: these tribes took during that time, you know, And someone
Speaker 2: murdered Bob Benji and then scalped him and mailed his
Speaker 2: scalp to George Washington. So and I would on his
Speaker 2: face You're like, well, that's kind of strange. It was
Speaker 2: one of the Lee Boys. When I say one of
Speaker 2: the Lee Boys, it was the father of General Robert Ealy.
Speaker 2: I believe it was how how the legend goes, that
Speaker 2: mailed it to him. So and that would that plays
Speaker 2: important role too, because I would argue the Civil War
Speaker 2: will definitely around the Society of Cincinnati dispute that preceded
Speaker 2: the Civil War when they when they divided just prior
Speaker 2: to the Civil War. It's also a family dispute with
Speaker 2: the Washington's and the Lee family. It's a slightly different tale,
Speaker 2: but they mailed his bob Benji's scalp to George Washington. Well,
Speaker 2: that was his buddy, George Lowry's brother in law. So
Speaker 2: this is that was that was a you know, you know,
Speaker 2: a mafioso South threat, right, That's what I'm saying. There's
Speaker 2: some internal disputes that even go on between these societies
Speaker 2: and these families and these in these sides these tribes
Speaker 2: took during this era that I think it's a farmer
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. When it's a farmer new one situation.
Speaker 2: I don't think modern historians quite grasped, probably intentionally because
Speaker 2: you know, it wouldn't be racist at that point, right.
Speaker 3: I think that these guys were I think George Washington
Speaker 3: was was definitely more of a savage that than than
Speaker 3: history has portrayed him to be. I mean, they got
Speaker 3: blood on their hands. Man. These guys weren't just you know, uh, clean,
Speaker 3: tidy aristocrats. They were They they went through and they
Speaker 3: they burnt villages and they killed a lot of people,
Speaker 3: whether it was Native Americans or somebody else. These guys
Speaker 3: saw a lot of combat. So you know, I'm speaking
Speaker 3: to this guy sending a scout to George Washington. George
Speaker 3: Washington probably didn't blink an eye. He probably saw it
Speaker 3: as a you know, a mafioso type of a message.
Speaker 3: But these guys were savages, man. They lived a totally
Speaker 3: different life than we do. They didn't have heating and
Speaker 3: air conditioning, refrigerators and all that. Totally different times.
Speaker 2: I know, I like it. I'm full disclosure. I'm a
Speaker 2: George Washington super fan.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And he was he was. He was. He merged his
Speaker 2: own boss, he murdered General Braddock and then and then
Speaker 2: took dudes, uh took his military sash and ward around
Speaker 2: the rest of his life. George George was rushing up
Speaker 2: in military uniform in like seventeen seventy two. He was
Speaker 2: ready to go, dude, he was ready to fight.
Speaker 3: Yeah. From what I understand, he was fighting for the
Speaker 3: British at when we led a regiment for the British
Speaker 3: at one point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was a colonel in the British Army.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right, right, Yeah, very.
Speaker 2: Murdered his own boss, the Brent, the Brinceton General Braddock
Speaker 2: over he said, he sent General Braddock back in a box,
Speaker 2: took his sash first beforehand. It's wild man famously war
Speaker 2: the red sash the rest of his life like a boss.
Speaker 2: Move a love.
Speaker 3: That's what I love about the history of It's pretty
Speaker 3: it's pretty hard core, right, yeah, man, Because George was like,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna He's like, I'm pretty sure.
Speaker 2: If it's not really publicly addressed through history, but I'm
Speaker 2: quite certain given the activities that George was up to
Speaker 2: at the time he was charged with treason by the King,
Speaker 2: there's no way they were letting him get away with
Speaker 2: these activities. And again he famously wore that sash because
Speaker 2: his story was they got ambushed, and him and his
Speaker 2: guys just happened to get away. Braddock and all of
Speaker 2: his guys just happened to get murked. But somehow in
Speaker 2: that ambush he was able to get the red sash.
Speaker 2: I don't think the king ever bought it, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean?
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, right, right right, yeah, that's Man's that's what
Speaker 3: I love. Like I said, that's what I love about
Speaker 3: North American history. Man, it is so much more dance
Speaker 3: than we've been told.
Speaker 2: You know what, You're not wrong. George was cutthroat, There's
Speaker 2: no there's no question, and he may have literally cut
Speaker 2: Raddick's throat while stealing his sash.
Speaker 3: I could see that.
Speaker 1: One thing that I did find interesting that had made me,
Speaker 1: like I guess I never really thought much about that
Speaker 1: whole Native American and the white people coming over here.
Speaker 1: I mean I have, but I mean I never looked
Speaker 1: had it much deeper than I guess, Like probably I
Speaker 1: guess my own basic beliefs. But like when I had
Speaker 1: somebody on the show a long time ago, I had
Speaker 1: thrash on and he covered Native American stuff and like symbolism,
Speaker 1: like kind of like they were cult stuff from him
Speaker 1: doing that you know, we had realized so many different
Speaker 1: type of like occult orders that came over from like
Speaker 1: there in here to like like freemasonry or just even
Speaker 1: styles of magic that that fuck I'm trying to trying.
Speaker 2: To Deronda Wolf area.
Speaker 1: I forget about it, man. Uh So like you have
Speaker 1: these different styles of uh yeah, you have these. You
Speaker 1: have these symbols that the Native Americans were using starting
Speaker 1: to be inherited by secret societies over here and by
Speaker 1: occult orders, and then supposed you also have the story
Speaker 1: of like them kind of getting like wiped out. Like
Speaker 1: it's just so like what I'm getting is like regardless
Speaker 1: of how much of that is, I guess true, whatever's
Speaker 1: behind it. To me, it's like I do see I
Speaker 1: guess a group of people I guess getting diminished, and
Speaker 1: then there's symbolism even taking and reused, so like I
Speaker 1: do start to wonder if there's something else behind you know,
Speaker 1: it's even something to do with occultism or understanding of
Speaker 1: it they didn't like, Well, I just think there's something
Speaker 1: else there because because of even seeing that.
Speaker 3: Well, I'd like to dig on that a minute, because
Speaker 3: I my question is where do you think that got
Speaker 3: the cult symbolism in the first place. Where where did
Speaker 3: the Native Americans get a cult symbolism like.
Speaker 1: Even like like like the Mickmac like they're a medicine
Speaker 1: has been reused. There's people will put out magic books
Speaker 1: that have the same type of like pointed They have
Speaker 1: their own like way of showing an eight pointed star
Speaker 1: and somebody other people think.
Speaker 2: Magic wand with a mushroom cap. Yeah, it's got me
Speaker 2: some deep culture. That was an amount of chili coffee.
Speaker 3: I have a book in.
Speaker 2: This guy's got a whole resource available.
Speaker 3: Why so, Nick, you brought up the Micmac. I've got
Speaker 3: a book in the other room where this guy puts
Speaker 3: the Mickmac language right next to Egyptian higher glyphs and
Speaker 3: they match up. How does that happen? They're getting I
Speaker 3: think the Native Americans got this stuff from another culture
Speaker 3: not nearby. There was, like like JJ said earlier, there
Speaker 3: was seafaring. There was some seafaring people who came over here,
Speaker 3: for sure. That's what we've got to sort of uncover
Speaker 3: more of this. This issue is out there for the decoding.
Speaker 3: Still we still haven't even touched.
Speaker 1: I don't think we have understanding of what happened with
Speaker 1: the situation at all. And then another thing I wanted
Speaker 1: to even bring into it.
Speaker 3: Sorry, there were magicians over here, man, Nick, I think
Speaker 3: there was a group of.
Speaker 1: Well I was going to get into that that I
Speaker 1: was going to answer JJ because I bet you he
Speaker 1: might actually have an idea. And that's sort of an
Speaker 1: opinion technically, if you want to go by the Mormons,
Speaker 1: they were here, but prior weren't.
Speaker 2: They I've never heard of these people, the Mormons. Yes,
Speaker 2: please tell me about them, Cargo. Well, that's what I'm saying,
Speaker 2: you know.
Speaker 1: That's so like what do you think about them? I mean,
Speaker 1: you know the reason why.
Speaker 2: Get to that culture? Right, I'm an older culture.
Speaker 1: And if you think about it too, with the Mormons
Speaker 1: on some of their beliefs, don't they think that some
Speaker 1: of those Native Americans actually are theirs?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 1: Like if you want to twist Mormonism in there, what
Speaker 1: the fuck was really going on? Because like that that
Speaker 1: that just series like they were there prior supposedly they're
Speaker 1: also Native Americans, So what the fuck?
Speaker 2: What the fucking deed? What you're hitting on is exactly
Speaker 2: what I'm what I was about to say here with
Speaker 2: this flag too, is well, you see with the Mormons
Speaker 2: that grew out of it. I think was we covered
Speaker 2: with Heidi a couple of weeks ago that grew out
Speaker 2: of the Society of Cincinnati members that started the Mormons,
Speaker 2: including Jesseph Smith, right. So it's this it's this culture
Speaker 2: that this older ideas of carrying on this culture of
Speaker 2: these mound cultures, right, because that's obviously a focus of
Speaker 2: the society's kind of occulted understandings of the world. Same
Speaker 2: with their heritage, the Knights Templar, so they go back
Speaker 2: in their their family trees will find the templar. For example,
Speaker 2: George Washington is descended from ten of the Templar Knights
Speaker 2: that brought us Magna Carta in twelve fifteen. So ten
Speaker 2: of the twenty five knights templar. That's just one example.
Speaker 2: So the templar flag just happens to look like that
Speaker 2: Micmac flag. Right. So you're talking about seafaring people. So
Speaker 2: in the Micmax are up there in Nova Scotia or
Speaker 2: New Scotland, with which I think we live underneath the
Speaker 2: crown history today, the English crown, the Vatican crown, the
Speaker 2: crown history, and what we're talking about is the Crown
Speaker 2: history because we don't know these ideas. But these are
Speaker 2: things that existed in this in this nation for literally
Speaker 2: thousands of years. So when the Knights, Sempler's ancestors, the
Speaker 2: Normans invaded the United Kingdom in ten sixty six and
Speaker 2: the infamous Norman invasion they invaded America in ten sixty
Speaker 2: six in Nova Scotia, and you can find evidence of
Speaker 2: this in the law Incell Meadows Settlement. So we just
Speaker 2: we live underneath a bunk history. We don't know these details.
Speaker 2: But these seafaring people as we were describing there, Yeah,
Speaker 2: they've definitely impacted the native communities and long before the manifests,
Speaker 2: and I guess that's what I was trying to get
Speaker 2: at with the nuance of all this is these same
Speaker 2: families lived and lived in peace with the natives and
Speaker 2: did intermingled with trade with the natives, and the natives
Speaker 2: used their actual incorporated their language and their system amongst
Speaker 2: themselves like the mcmax did here.
Speaker 3: You know up there near Nova Scotia too, you've got
Speaker 3: Newfoundland right there's there's undisputed in my opinion, Norst Village
Speaker 3: up there that dates back to I think it's ten fourteen.
Speaker 3: There you go, and I you know, for me, it's
Speaker 3: it's a it's a nice little chunk of proof that
Speaker 3: Europeans or the Vikings or whatever we call they were
Speaker 3: over here a thousand years ago at least, you know.
Speaker 3: And if you look at the Kensing and runstone, they
Speaker 3: that's Scandinavian stuff on that as well. They found that
Speaker 3: in a field out in Minnesota or Wisconsin or something
Speaker 3: like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was gonna ask you about that. You know
Speaker 2: about the Kensington runestone. They found that in a mound
Speaker 2: in Kensington, just outside of Kensason, Minnesota.
Speaker 3: Yep, yep. So there's all these there's all these finding
Speaker 3: you know, and what happens here is individually do you know?
Speaker 2: Made it center? Jack? Real quick? For do you know
Speaker 2: who buried this the Kensington rooms Doane? No? What do
Speaker 2: you think it's what's by the evidence inscribed on it
Speaker 2: is the Nights Templar. Yeah. So this was a this
Speaker 2: was a land claim from the Templar, and the land
Speaker 2: claim it just happened. The land that happened to claim,
Speaker 2: we just happened to get in America. Here is the
Speaker 2: Louisiana purchase.
Speaker 3: M you think about it too, there's a Norwegian island.
Speaker 3: I think it's called Leka l e k A. They
Speaker 3: just found a boat. Talking about mounds, right, they found
Speaker 3: a boat burial mound that they's backed the seven hundred
Speaker 3: and a d. That tells me that these people were
Speaker 3: certainly selling the oceans.
Speaker 2: A long time ago, uh for sure.
Speaker 3: And the thing in with those with those boat burial
Speaker 3: mounds is they really really uh like preserve the boat
Speaker 3: down to the full details. It's awesome. You can see
Speaker 3: you could see like the level of craftsmanship that these
Speaker 3: people had, and it's it's almost otherworldly man like, especially
Speaker 3: like the Norse and the Runes. I think the Ruins
Speaker 3: themselves were like a magical language. They they had their
Speaker 3: own The Norse had their own version of advanced technology.
Speaker 1: Man.
Speaker 3: I think they had their hands on some very other
Speaker 3: worldly stuff, and you see it in the craftsmanship of
Speaker 3: their boats. I think it's just just down to the
Speaker 3: language itself.
Speaker 2: Well sure, if you look at it this way. You know,
Speaker 2: if if you can read maps and you can see,
Speaker 2: you know, travel the seas and you can read them,
Speaker 2: so if you can read the stars and travel the seas,
Speaker 2: you can understand the high level of mathematics that will
Speaker 2: take you real far.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, man. I mean I think there was
Speaker 3: a uh a mashup of different people's you know, Phoenicians, Minoans, uh, Canaanites, Amorites.
Speaker 3: There's evidence that all these.
Speaker 2: People about some hit tights. We get some hit tightes
Speaker 2: in there, some hit.
Speaker 3: Tights in here.
Speaker 1: Bromirates, you know who sings about the Emirates? Uh that
Speaker 1: Dwight York Engine. Oh really okay, yeah yeah one of these.
Speaker 2: Yeah cool, let's be let's be honest about the situation.
Speaker 3: I'll hit you, I hit you with something with them.
Speaker 2: Are you familiar with this one? Tim? Uh Cincinnati tablet
Speaker 2: found the mound in Cincinnati. This is supposedly ancient hit tite.
Speaker 3: Wow, cool man, look at that that detail, that's ornate.
Speaker 2: That's cool.
Speaker 3: I drove up when I first moved to Nashville, I
Speaker 3: took a road trip north and I went up through Louisville.
Speaker 3: Louisville is an interesting one because they've got old ancient
Speaker 3: walls out there that that could date way back, like
Speaker 3: there was an ancient city there prior apparently to being Louisville.
Speaker 3: But I kept going. I went up through Cincinnati. And
Speaker 3: I stopped in Cincinnati. But as I'm rolling into Cincinnati,
Speaker 3: I'm going through this I don't called a valley, but
Speaker 3: I could see like all around me. And of course
Speaker 3: it's all like Ohio suburbs right now, because you know,
Speaker 3: the modern society we're in, that's that's just a product
Speaker 3: of that. But I got this weird sense rolling in
Speaker 3: to Cincinnati that like people have been living in this
Speaker 3: area for a long time. It's just there's like a
Speaker 3: feeling about rolling into Cincinnati that I got. I don't know, man,
Speaker 3: it's kind of woo woo, but I definitely got a
Speaker 3: wild feeling rolling.
Speaker 2: In there, like that's interesting. According to a University of
Speaker 2: Cincinnati anthropologist, anthropologist I had a conversation with years back,
Speaker 2: he claims folks been living in that valley for about
Speaker 2: nineteen thousand years.
Speaker 3: I think you could feel that. Man, I'm from apple Achia.
Speaker 3: You could feel the mountains up.
Speaker 2: There whereout Well we're talking.
Speaker 3: Well, I live not too far from the Blue Ridge Parkway,
Speaker 3: the Blue rich Man. You know, I was on the
Speaker 3: I was on the corner of that though. I could
Speaker 3: see that from my backyard. That was like the like
Speaker 3: the backdrop of my My backyard was the Blue Rich Mountains.
Speaker 3: It was kind of it was like a painting man.
Speaker 3: It was awesome.
Speaker 2: Nick's got himself a little taste of Appalachian now living
Speaker 2: in the area of North Carolina. He's and he's you know,
Speaker 2: on the other side of it, but he's now seen it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, Nick could go up there sometime. Man, go
Speaker 3: up to Apple Atch or sometime go up to Boon
Speaker 3: or like Ashville or something. Man, it's beautiful, is nice. Yeah,
Speaker 3: it's cool too, cool places to visit.
Speaker 2: But like Choke, North Carolina. They got around there too.
Speaker 3: That's one of my favorite places to go through is Cherokee.
Speaker 3: That place feels old.
Speaker 2: I agree with you. There all the way there to
Speaker 2: Telecoa planes, right mm hmmmmm stretch through there.
Speaker 3: I mean, look, man, like uh back to these these
Speaker 3: artifacts though, like.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's this one? What do you think? Like, what's this? Uh?
Speaker 2: This was found the mound. This is a very unique symbol.
Speaker 2: It seems as far as that's not what I've seen
Speaker 2: in many mountains. This is unique and I've never seen
Speaker 2: this on any other mound for that matter, Nick, what
Speaker 2: do you think you're mud? Is this some eye symbols?
Speaker 1: I don't know. I'll be totally honest. I was looking
Speaker 1: that be fair, it's not.
Speaker 2: It's not in shape, right.
Speaker 1: That could be uh you know what does right behind
Speaker 1: me of a little bit of the groke symbol. Not
Speaker 1: saying that that's where you got it from, but I
Speaker 1: mean like that type of shape, and you even have
Speaker 1: like a one in a zero in there and the
Speaker 1: eye in the O I O in there. Sense Oh nos?
Speaker 3: Was this this was some sort of a disc What
Speaker 3: do you think they were doing with this?
Speaker 2: I don't know. It's a good question because a lot
Speaker 2: of times, you know there there are a lot of
Speaker 2: their ritual sus seems be pipes, right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I wonder what they did with it. I
Speaker 3: wonder what size this is. Like if this was real small,
Speaker 3: I could see it being used to like in like
Speaker 3: in grave pottery or something like the put you know
Speaker 3: what I'm saying, Like they would take these symbols that
Speaker 3: were engraved in stone and while they're making a pottery piece,
Speaker 3: while it's still wet, they would take it and push
Speaker 3: it up against the pottery to put the symbols in it.
Speaker 2: Sure, what's your take on the Harry Potter mushroom tipped
Speaker 2: magic wand.
Speaker 3: Man, I don't know, but I'll say this the first.
Speaker 2: Magic wand I've seen in the mound before. I was
Speaker 2: kind of surprised by this.
Speaker 3: I think there were astrologers over here. Man. Have you
Speaker 3: ever looked at Davenport calendar?
Speaker 2: No, please tell me what's that about?
Speaker 3: Yeah, man, pull it up if you want Davenport, Iowa calendar.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: There was. There's three languages on that It's Egyptian, Libying,
Speaker 3: and Phoenician, and it's all about astrology. The whole it's
Speaker 3: the whole thing is just has to do with astrology.
Speaker 3: But all three languages are on that stone. And it
Speaker 3: reminded me of like the Phoenician Iberian stuff that comes
Speaker 3: out of the Grave Creek Mound in West Virginia. Yeah,
Speaker 3: all right, because that stuff matches like Punic astrology records.
Speaker 3: So all in all, what I'm saying here is there
Speaker 3: was a multi ethnic group of magicians, traveling magicians that
Speaker 3: came over here. I think that's what this points too.
Speaker 2: That makes sense to me, And I'll go ahead.
Speaker 3: Well, I was just gonna say I think like that
Speaker 3: that if you look at that Punic language that was
Speaker 3: used by the Iberian phoenicians. It goes back to astrologers
Speaker 3: from the first millennia BC. Just to give you a timeframe,
Speaker 3: Davenport calendar is what we're looking for. They might not
Speaker 3: even have this on Google. Man, this might I've never
Speaker 3: heard of it.
Speaker 2: This is I'm familiar with the Davenport tablets.
Speaker 3: This might be this one might be banned from Google.
Speaker 3: I'll see if i can find a picture of it
Speaker 3: here in a second.
Speaker 2: I've got a pick. Please do I've never even heard
Speaker 2: of that. So that grave creek, man, I agree with you,
Speaker 2: a lot of Phoenician stuff going on inside of that.
Speaker 2: That tablet's gone. And with the way Houdini poof well,
Speaker 2: so that was that mound was George Washington's and Charles
Speaker 2: Manson's favorite mound, obviously at different points in time.
Speaker 3: What really, Yeah.
Speaker 2: Washington used to survey the Ohio country for his brother's company,
Speaker 2: the Ohio Company, and he would camp out around that mound.
Speaker 2: According to his journals, that would be his frequent spot
Speaker 2: of camp. And then later Charles Manson would visit his
Speaker 2: mother at the penitentiary there and he would like to
Speaker 2: play down that mound and roll down the hill, roll
Speaker 2: down the mound, so they had different reason. I think
Speaker 2: they might have had different interests at different times, but
Speaker 2: you know they both they both shared affinity for that mound.
Speaker 3: Well, what's what sticks out to me about that in
Speaker 3: particular is that it's not just Phoenician, it's Iberian Phoenician.
Speaker 3: So we're talking about Spain, right, i'd area is that's
Speaker 3: that's Iberia. Now that's where I could I feel like
Speaker 3: I can maybe tie in alchemy here. Of course I'm
Speaker 3: speculating a little bit, but this was a group of
Speaker 3: of magician alchemists because a lot of this, a lot
Speaker 3: of this points back to these guys being having some
Speaker 3: some sort of a landing pad out on out in Spain. Uh,
Speaker 3: like the like the Liberians would have come through Spain
Speaker 3: probably the who was the other the Egyptians, the Phoenicians,
Speaker 3: and then and then a lot of these Phoenicians in
Speaker 3: particular were from cad Is Spain or kd Is Spain
Speaker 3: is c A D I Z and uh. You know, anyway,
Speaker 3: what I'm saying is like Spain in my research, is
Speaker 3: a place where you see a lot of alchemy just
Speaker 3: out all a lot of the main deep dives I've
Speaker 3: done on alchemy have something to do with Spain like
Speaker 3: or France like, which you know, France is right next
Speaker 3: to Spain, like. I don't know, it's just something about that.
Speaker 3: It's almost like alchemy got moved to Spain at one point,
Speaker 3: or a lot of the alchemists went to Spain at
Speaker 3: one point. I don't know.
Speaker 2: But it just got thinking, what's an interesting thought for sure,
Speaker 2: because I think a lot of this stuff gets carried
Speaker 2: on the bloodlines. Right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, the late fifteen hundreds is popping in Germany.
Speaker 2: I know that.
Speaker 1: I don't know if where it was prior to that
Speaker 1: or after that, but the scene, oh yeah, especially even
Speaker 1: started againting resocrutionism around that too, or or the idea
Speaker 1: of it, you know, that whole thing was going around.
Speaker 2: Well, that was kind of the point I was making
Speaker 2: earlier with Parsons having this heritage to the Society of Cincinnati,
Speaker 2: secret Society stuff. It seems like a lot of these
Speaker 2: families go back to these well I'm not saying exclusively,
Speaker 2: but a lot of them have this rooted, long heritage
Speaker 2: rooted in witchcraft or other sort of alchemy practices. The
Speaker 2: world's come to mind immediately. We just did that show
Speaker 2: on Tuesday, well, and her whole family has a not
Speaker 2: just her branch, other branches have a history of this
Speaker 2: this witchcraft activity. Getting back to the old world, right,
Speaker 2: this is not just America.
Speaker 3: Called The Mysteries of the Great Cross of Hindei, Alchemy
Speaker 3: and the End of Time by Jay Wiiner. I had
Speaker 3: this guy on. It was pretty cool, like he drops
Speaker 3: some knowledge for sure. But he and his friend, he
Speaker 3: told me they went to Spain and went and followed
Speaker 3: this course that a lot of these old alchemists took
Speaker 3: through Spain. Because what happened is they were building the
Speaker 3: cathedrals over there, and like with with alchemy in mind,
Speaker 3: like they were they were I think they said they
Speaker 3: saw the cathedrals as frozen music, and they so they
Speaker 3: tried to They had all these mystical reasons for why
Speaker 3: they built the cathedrals the way they did. But what
Speaker 3: they did was they encoded esoteric meaning an alchemical meaning
Speaker 3: into the actual cathedrals themselves throughout Spain and throughout France
Speaker 3: of course as well. And it goes back to h
Speaker 3: Bernard of clairvo He was like the first. He was
Speaker 3: the first, uh he's he was. He helped found the
Speaker 3: Knight's Templar. Actually, yeah, And they don't know how he
Speaker 3: got all this money because he financed the first of
Speaker 3: the Gothic cathedrals. They don't know, they don't know how
Speaker 3: he came into all this money to do so. But
Speaker 3: he was friends with all these alchemists, so like the
Speaker 3: assumption was that he they were you know, they turned
Speaker 3: base metals into gold basically, and they got rich off
Speaker 3: of it, and they built these cathedrals. And when they
Speaker 3: built the cathedrals, they encoded those secrets of alchemy into
Speaker 3: the building itself.
Speaker 2: That's awesomescape.
Speaker 3: You have a landscape spanning spain of this type of stuff.
Speaker 3: It's not just the cathedrals. It's in like little landmarks
Speaker 3: and stuff like that. There's there's obelisks and and just
Speaker 3: little like stone monuments, and it's it's just a shrine
Speaker 3: of of alchemical texts. That is totally an enigma all
Speaker 3: throughout strain.
Speaker 2: For sure. When you were describing that, I was before
Speaker 2: you mentioned Bernard de Clarvo, as you pointed out, one
Speaker 2: of the co founders of the Night's Templar at the
Speaker 2: Council of Claremont, which again, as I was saying before
Speaker 2: Clarmont County and Cincinnati where that one site was buried
Speaker 2: under lake. Very important to these folks, you know, a
Speaker 2: very important site. But the we have New Clara Vos.
Speaker 2: It's outside of Chico, California. These are the Cistercian monks.
Speaker 2: These are the folks that you know Bernard de Clarivo.
Speaker 2: His religious order would have been the Cistercian Order. So
Speaker 2: they moved one of these religious houses you're describing from
Speaker 2: Spain from the thirteenth century, one of these templar religious
Speaker 2: chapter houses to their location just outside of Chico, California.
Speaker 2: You're familiar with the any of any of those sites. No,
Speaker 2: you used to be called the Santa Maria del Ovilla.
Speaker 2: This was a Cistercian monastery built in Spain back in
Speaker 2: eleven eighty one.
Speaker 3: Now are there two?
Speaker 1: Are there?
Speaker 3: Is there a Cistercian and a sister Nian or something
Speaker 3: like it? Is there two versions of this word.
Speaker 2: That I'm unfamiliar with. Certainly the Cistercians were definitely the
Speaker 2: Have you seen the film Robin Hood.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's been a while though.
Speaker 2: You know, Friar Friar Tuck or whatever, the drunk monk.
Speaker 3: Yeah, every has his ups.
Speaker 2: He's a Cistercian monk. So these monks out here in Chico,
Speaker 2: the they brew beer with Sierra Nevada. Oh okay, but
Speaker 2: this this is their chapter house here from Spain from
Speaker 2: the eleventh eleven, built in eleven eighty one. You can
Speaker 2: go visit. It's now sits in Chico and I've seen
Speaker 2: it's there.
Speaker 3: Now. He was associated with the Benedictine Order as well, right, Clavo, Yeah,
Speaker 3: I think he was associated with the Benedictine Order at one.
Speaker 2: That's very possible. So the folks, for example, when I
Speaker 2: say the Ausertion monks are the ones that create the
Speaker 2: Knights Temple and how they're represented by Friar Tuck, the
Speaker 2: folks that inscribed that Kensington room soon you were we
Speaker 2: were discussing before, that would have been a Cistercian monk
Speaker 2: that did that. They were the only ones that were
Speaker 2: skilled and uh learned in those languages of the time
Speaker 2: to inscribe that stone. So a temple art faction, would
Speaker 2: you know, on a on a mission for whatever, would
Speaker 2: have a Friar Tuck as you've seen in robin Hood
Speaker 2: along with him, and that that'd been the guy who
Speaker 2: inscribed that stone.
Speaker 3: Yeah, isn't there a I don't remember how what they
Speaker 3: call it gungeywomp or something like that. Are you familiar
Speaker 3: with the Gungeywomp site?
Speaker 2: It sounds some there, but that's a refreshment memory.
Speaker 3: Okay, I don't know much about it. It's I'll see
Speaker 3: if I can find how you spell that? But it's
Speaker 3: a apparently it's in It's in New England, and it's
Speaker 3: an old monk site. It's like a little small cathedral
Speaker 3: built into stone. And the people who own the property
Speaker 3: are like kind of cool, they're kind of into alternative history,
Speaker 3: so they're open about it. They're like they let people
Speaker 3: come out there and and and tour the property and
Speaker 3: stuff like that and check it out. But it's it.
Speaker 3: It dates back to monks, well, it dates back to
Speaker 3: I don't remember what it dates back to, but they
Speaker 3: think because of some of the inscriptions that it were
Speaker 3: monks who put it there. I'm gonna see if I
Speaker 3: can find it.
Speaker 2: How are we spelling this because I'm sure I'm spelling
Speaker 2: it incorrectly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Okay, here you go. G u n g y
Speaker 3: y w A MP gungee womp.
Speaker 2: I was closely didn't come up.
Speaker 3: It's in Connecticut, I believe.
Speaker 2: Okay, yep, hard for Connecticut. I put New Hampshire. I'm
Speaker 2: not sure why. I don't think even said New Hampshire.
Speaker 2: It just sounded like something they would be in New Hampshire.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it does. I think I.
Speaker 2: Was was in Vermont. I was like it stefing out Vermont,
Speaker 2: so it may as well be New Hampshire. They want
Speaker 2: to be Vermont, but they're not quite Vermont. So it's
Speaker 2: sounds like a New Hampshire activity.
Speaker 3: They've got stone circles there, I believe. Oh yeah, there
Speaker 3: you go. There's a picture. Yeah, growting Connecticut.
Speaker 2: Yep, we got some large slabs. Huh what are we
Speaker 2: talking here? Yeah, some ceremonial sites of some regard is
Speaker 2: that we're looking at? This? Is that what this is?
Speaker 3: I would think, so ceremonial stone. I don't know much
Speaker 3: about this one, but you know, they have theorized that
Speaker 3: this was a group of I think German monks is
Speaker 3: what they said, who came over did this?
Speaker 2: How dare they? How dare they come over here and
Speaker 2: do this?
Speaker 3: Or maybe it's Irish monks that's what they said, yeah,
Speaker 3: or coldies.
Speaker 2: They're saying this is made in the nineteen sixties. Is
Speaker 2: that real life? That can't be real life?
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no, it's definitely not made from the
Speaker 3: nineteen sixties. That might be what they're trying to cover
Speaker 3: it up with and say typical, Yeah, that would be typical. No,
Speaker 3: there's I don't know, man, It's just just what came
Speaker 3: to mind when you were talking about the monks coming
Speaker 3: over here. I think what we have those a situations
Speaker 3: where there was a lot of different groups of people
Speaker 3: coming over here way before Columbus.
Speaker 2: Oh big time. Are you familiar with this site, tim.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right outside of Saint Louis.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yes, sir. Do you know the namesake for this mount.
Speaker 3: No hit me with it.
Speaker 2: It's back in the early sixteen hundred. It's a group
Speaker 2: of French Trappist monks of the Cistercian order made this
Speaker 2: their home for about twenty years, I believe, is how
Speaker 2: Leto goes. So back to that same order of the
Speaker 2: Nights Templear monks, the Cistercian monks.
Speaker 3: So were you saying that they moved in to the
Speaker 3: area and like lived amongst the mountains.
Speaker 2: They lived on specifically apparently on top of that mound.
Speaker 2: That's why they got the name Monks Mound because these
Speaker 2: French beer drinking monks to set up shop there had
Speaker 2: some tailgaters. Wow, man, about twenty years, like a twenty
Speaker 2: year long tailgater.
Speaker 3: No, that's interesting, man, I didn't know that I knew
Speaker 3: about Kokia, you know, and all that. Sure, Yeah, I
Speaker 3: think that that's a very interesting site, just for the
Speaker 3: fact that it points to there being a city there
Speaker 3: that I think they held. They think it housed about
Speaker 3: twenty five thousand people or more in twelve hundred a d.
Speaker 3: And part of that city, part of that city would
Speaker 3: be under Saint Louis now.
Speaker 2: At a time when London was only half that size.
Speaker 3: Yep, yep. And you know, I think that it just
Speaker 3: goes back to this idea that some of our cities
Speaker 3: are aren't new. You can't go by the founded by
Speaker 3: date on Wikipedia. For some of our cities, people have
Speaker 3: been living there much longer. I think we've built some
Speaker 3: of our modern day cities right on top of these
Speaker 3: old cities, and I think Saint Louis is a good
Speaker 3: example of that. Specifically Kohokia Mound. I mean there were
Speaker 3: tunnels that they found two Monks Mound that like ran
Speaker 3: under the river to Saint Louis and where they found
Speaker 3: like weird artifacts. I saw this on a This dude
Speaker 3: was doing a breakdown of like old newscape newspaper articles. Sure,
Speaker 3: and he found an old coupling of articles where they
Speaker 3: talked about the weird tunnels under the river and Saint
Speaker 3: Louis connected to these mounds, and they were finding just
Speaker 3: you know, out of place artifacts, like there was like
Speaker 3: along the lines of the tunnel was like lions heads
Speaker 3: that held torches. Just say Indiana, Jon stuff man.
Speaker 2: Totally writes some Egyptian stuff too, right man.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah, we've got that here in Nashville too. They
Speaker 3: found they found a tunnel that had a sarcophagus in
Speaker 3: it below Nashville.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's an ancient city as well. Right. They recognize
Speaker 2: that by naming things such as the Parthenon, Right.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean I think so. I think they put
Speaker 3: that there as a as a nod to some of
Speaker 3: the stuff they were finding here.
Speaker 1: You're you out there in Nashville. Yeah, Oh, I got
Speaker 1: to go out there one more time before I start
Speaker 1: working on that stuff I have. I want to film
Speaker 1: this one more day. Yeah, definitely hit you up, man.
Speaker 1: I had no idea.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm from North Carolina originally.
Speaker 1: Hey you told me that, Yeah, you told me that
Speaker 1: I think one other time. Yeah, yeah, that's that. And
Speaker 1: I'll definitely make sure i'll make try to make a
Speaker 1: work with it if you're available to Yeah.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, I'll wrap up my thought though, real
Speaker 3: quick with that, just because I think this is crazy
Speaker 3: like that parth and On. The word on the sho
Speaker 3: Street is that that Parfenon sits on top of the
Speaker 3: entrance to this tunnel they found where they found all
Speaker 3: these weird artifacts and the tunnel. They said in the article,
Speaker 3: they talked about how the tunnel stretched for about a
Speaker 3: mile underneath Nashville and came out at Fort Negli, which
Speaker 3: is a star fort. I'm sure you're familiar with star
Speaker 3: fort lore, some of those star So you've got a
Speaker 3: tunnel connected to a star fort with a sarcophagus in there.
Speaker 3: They found big urns and vases down there with what
Speaker 3: they were describing as an undetectable language. It was some
Speaker 3: they you know, they weren't they didn't know what language
Speaker 3: it was.
Speaker 2: On there was Reformed Egyptian, probably yaph Smith joke, I apologize, Yeah,
Speaker 2: what do you say? Tell everybody it's reformed Egyptian, right right,
Speaker 2: only I can read it, my angel marone.
Speaker 1: Yep.
Speaker 3: No, But assumption, my assumption is that it was it
Speaker 3: was not Egyptian or or they would have identified it.
Speaker 3: It was something else probably yeah, like Greek or something
Speaker 3: like that. Who knows. But anyway, sorry, Nick.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, No, no, no, I was interrupting you. I
Speaker 1: wanted to ask guy, because you're talking about like Egyptian
Speaker 1: artifacts or whatever and Mormons. I heard that at some point.
Speaker 1: I think I think Joseph Smith even kind of technically
Speaker 1: put a lien on the church because he wanted to
Speaker 1: acquire Egyptian artifacts. Have you ever heard that before?
Speaker 2: I think the whole society of Cincinnati was deeply in patch,
Speaker 2: me with the Egyptian artifacts, Napoleon Bonaparte being a prime example. Interesting,
Speaker 2: so I think Smith's Smith's interests were in the same.
Speaker 1: Napoleon. You guys got to look into his sister. She
Speaker 1: was a fucking freak interesting.
Speaker 2: Lady, Napoleon Bonaparte's sister.
Speaker 1: Okay, yeah, we mentioned that when we covered the Reggio carnival. Uh,
Speaker 1: somehow he came up on there and then we covered
Speaker 1: his sister or some ship.
Speaker 2: And the Bonaparte started the FBI as well. They're very
Speaker 2: powerful family in America.
Speaker 3: I've heard that Napoleon FBI thing. That's pretty wild man,
Speaker 3: that's said Nick would know. They say that Napoleon spent
Speaker 3: some time in like Egypt and like the Great Pyramid
Speaker 3: and like one of the chambers up there, like like
Speaker 3: kind of like Crowley did.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and Crowley loved himself some Jesse Smith and said
Speaker 2: his Damien Eckles apparently, But who doesn't love bubbles Hubbert here,
Speaker 2: he's a he's a handsome jen He wasn't handsome, gen
Speaker 2: r I p bubbles bubbles Bubbles looks a little. I
Speaker 2: appreciate something way up preciate both of you gents. Saving
Speaker 2: Sam's great. Great to meet you, sir, and these, like
Speaker 2: I said, your your topics of conversation specifically right in
Speaker 2: my wheelhouse. I certainly enjoyed a lot of your insight
Speaker 2: on these on these topics. Do you have any closing
Speaker 2: words for folks here? Anything you can plug here?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll just sure, I mean, I'll plug my podcast,
Speaker 3: I reckon uh sixth Sensory podcast. I'm on YouTube, Spotify, Apple,
Speaker 3: and Patreon and sixth sensory Instagram. Check that out and
Speaker 3: that's it. Man, thanks for having me on. It was
Speaker 3: it was a blast talking to you about this stuff.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah for sure, man. I got your links
Speaker 2: in the show notes already for folks to check out.
Speaker 2: And yeah, for sure absolutely And Nick, sir, I appreciate
Speaker 2: your time as always. Any plugs for parting thoughts for
Speaker 2: folks tonight.
Speaker 1: Uh no, no really, I don't know. Check out the
Speaker 1: eul rechecks. I don't know. Sure. We got we got
Speaker 1: some really interesting guests coming up recently. I mean, I
Speaker 1: don't know if any of them will be live, but
Speaker 1: you have some interesting uh oh, we got you know
Speaker 1: who got coming that that that will be dropping soon
Speaker 1: that we could promote. Uh, we're gonna be having a
Speaker 1: ex vampire cult person on who was in it? And Rice?
Speaker 1: This woman was in an and Rice vampire colt. That
Speaker 1: should be interesting.
Speaker 3: Who's Anne Rice?
Speaker 1: She was? She was the one who did that whole
Speaker 1: thing with the interview with the vampire.
Speaker 3: Ah makes sense.
Speaker 2: I was about to say, you trying to hit me
Speaker 2: with you ain't got nothing to plug. I was about
Speaker 2: to start plugging some occult reject stuff. That vampire stuff
Speaker 2: we got some Cult Elvis coming up.
Speaker 1: We got oh yeah that's dropping.
Speaker 2: Tomorrow, right, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's true that.
Speaker 1: The Colt Elves is dropping next Wednesday. So yeah, people
Speaker 1: keep an eye out for that definitely, or might have
Speaker 1: dropped on it. Might have dropped on Heidi if you
Speaker 1: want to go check that out.
Speaker 2: All right, I was gonna say, we got more Mormon
Speaker 2: stuff with Heidie coming up.
Speaker 1: Hell yeah, yes, yes, we got that's yes, shout out
Speaker 1: to Yeah, more Moment Mafia coming at you cold. Yeah,
Speaker 1: Colt Elvis and Van guests coming up soon, so it
Speaker 1: should be definitely interesting.
Speaker 2: That's awesome. Let me just hack up along here and
Speaker 2: I appreciate both of you jents again. Operation GCD Live
Speaker 2: coming up on Wednesday with an occult and or ESO
Speaker 2: Terror review of the nineteen eighty six uh cinematic masterpiece
Speaker 2: The Golden Child starring Eddie Murphy. That with Nick and
Speaker 2: Jen the Ninjas looking forward to that.
Speaker 1: I'm excited to just because I have to watch the
Speaker 1: movie a few times to do it. I love that one.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a great one. It's a really it plays.
Speaker 2: The comedy still plays. I mean, it's who doesn't want
Speaker 2: to see Axel Foley Battle of Satanic Cult going to
Speaker 2: pet Tibet. You know who doesn't want to see that?
Speaker 2: I want to see it again exactly. I watched a
Speaker 2: couple of times.
Speaker 3: I just saw this al movie the other day that
Speaker 3: I need to go back and watch. It's with Tom Cruise.
Speaker 3: He plays Tim Curry plays the sat Satan in it
Speaker 3: or the Devil. I'm trying to remember what it's called.
Speaker 3: But anyway, it looks very esoteric. I gotta go back
Speaker 3: and watch it.
Speaker 2: Talking about.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's an old, old movie, right.
Speaker 3: It's Tom Cruise from the eighties, and it's got a
Speaker 3: very generic title, but it's all about it's well, what
Speaker 3: is it? It's about like somebody who makes a pack
Speaker 3: with the devil and but it's but it's cooler than that.
Speaker 3: It's not just that I haven't seen it in years.
Speaker 3: I can't even describe it, man, But it's like Tim
Speaker 3: Curry plays the devil.
Speaker 1: In it, and.
Speaker 3: He's it's very creepy legend. That's it. It's gotta be
Speaker 3: that movie was bugged out legend Tom Cruise.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't think. Yeah, didn't Tim Curry play the
Speaker 1: demon looking thing? Like you'd have no idea.
Speaker 2: That was him. Yeah, now you mentioned I actually actually
Speaker 2: just got a message today from a folk of the
Speaker 2: interwet I was recommending a cult nesso terric review of
Speaker 2: this one. Here, Nick the Devil's Rainy Fellas are familiar
Speaker 2: with this one.
Speaker 1: I think I have heard of that.
Speaker 2: Actually, John Travolto Anton Levey was the technical advisor. Here's
Speaker 2: him and Johnny Boy.
Speaker 1: Oh, we definitely have to check this out.
Speaker 2: They got a little they got, you know, I know
Speaker 2: from experience you don't want to get this closer to Travolta.
Speaker 2: He gets a bit handsy. But so who knows what
Speaker 2: him and Levey were doing here?
Speaker 1: This is on the street as he did grab JJ's as.
Speaker 2: A rumor on the street. And I'll tell you what, sir,
Speaker 2: that he got a little, he got a little two
Speaker 2: hands back it up here, John, not that kind of guy.
Speaker 3: Levey, what did was he involved with? Like LaVey was
Speaker 3: involved with Rosemary's Baby too, right, Like he's been involved
Speaker 3: with films, yes, theirs.
Speaker 2: He was a technical advisor for Bob Cocaine, Evans and
Speaker 2: Rumin Polanski missed process himselves satanic shit show Rosemary's Baby.
Speaker 2: You are corrector and.
Speaker 3: I think that he met Aquino for the first time
Speaker 3: at Rosemary's Baby premiere preview. That's one of the little
Speaker 3: stories that comes with that, I think. But anyways, that's interesting.
Speaker 2: I don't you know, I don't really know the epicenter
Speaker 2: ac sevity of winning Quino met Levey. You know what
Speaker 2: I mean? That is, that is a good point you
Speaker 2: bring up when I think about it.
Speaker 3: Legend is it was at a preview premiere, some sort
Speaker 3: of a shell wing for Rosemary's Baby. That's what I've heard.
Speaker 2: At least that would be interesting. Yeah, man, that would
Speaker 2: be interesting. So just as on the way out here,
Speaker 2: I U you can look see the look in my face.
Speaker 2: I felt bad for threatening John Travoltza with a very
Speaker 2: large gun. I apologize to the man. I let him
Speaker 2: come see the cell fighter. He got a bit handsy,
Speaker 2: he said, back it off, John. You know, right the
Speaker 2: last second, he pulls me into this photograph, pulls me
Speaker 2: in to his credit, at least in his defense, it's
Speaker 2: a Friday or Saturday night. I don't recall. It's midnight,
Speaker 2: secluded Hanger six. Air Force Dudes, He's like jackpot, you
Speaker 2: know what I mean. So nice guy. Otherwise, I suppose
Speaker 2: he's like he's like being in a what's that?
Speaker 1: What's tries a little sixy wait, get one.
Speaker 2: That's That's what I'm saying. Dude, he's like secluded airplane
Speaker 2: hanger and he's like six Air Forces. He's scrapping Air
Speaker 2: Force young man. He's like, I'm he's like, hell yeah,
Speaker 2: I'm staying.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 3: I have a lot of questions about that picture, but
Speaker 3: just the context in general
Speaker 2: Well, I appreciate both you gentlemen and the folks at
Speaker 2: the interwebs have yourself good, even