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<v Speaker 1>This is the seventy seven w ABC Mini cast.

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<v Speaker 2>So we have this situation, obviously where Democratic Party socialism

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<v Speaker 2>is on the rise, and it's all interesting to me

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<v Speaker 2>that they don't deny it. The big tent. Chuck Schumer says,

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<v Speaker 2>welcome to the big tent. The woman who lost in Michigan, Stevens,

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<v Speaker 2>the congresswoman who was backed by the party regulars, Gretchen

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<v Speaker 2>Whitmer and so forth, she just endorsed the guy. After

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<v Speaker 2>calling him every name in the book during the campaign,

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<v Speaker 2>she turns around endorses them. And of course Senator Schumer,

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<v Speaker 2>whom I know personally, and I don't do personal stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know, he has not stood up for the

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<v Speaker 2>anti semitism of these new socialists. President Trump in the

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<v Speaker 2>center from Palestine. Maybe that's cruel, I don't, but the

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<v Speaker 2>fact of the matter is he doesn't seem to be

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<v Speaker 2>very critical. It doesn't seem to be critical period. So

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<v Speaker 2>I want to talk about the politics of this from

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<v Speaker 2>the Democratic side, and can the Republicans beat the socialists

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<v Speaker 2>in the midterms. That's the key point, isn't it. So

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<v Speaker 2>let's bring in Ben Ferguson, host of the Ben Ferguson

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<v Speaker 2>Podcast and co host of the Verdict with Ted Cruz

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<v Speaker 2>podcast I Love Ted Cruz, by the way, and my

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<v Speaker 2>pal Joe Conscious, Fox News contributor and WABC Radio host

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<v Speaker 2>of The Joe Conscious Show nine to ten pm nightly

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<v Speaker 2>and on Sundays eleven am to noon. Gentlemen, welcome Joe Conscious.

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<v Speaker 2>Start with you. Do you find it odd that after

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<v Speaker 2>the so called party regulars, the Democratic Party, who themselves

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<v Speaker 2>are very far the left nowadays, but they beat up

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<v Speaker 2>on these people. I mean, let's take Alsayet, It's a

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<v Speaker 2>perfect example. After calling him every name in the book,

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<v Speaker 2>they wind up indorsing them, and they talk about a

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<v Speaker 2>big tent and have big ten is like a socialist

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<v Speaker 2>tent now. But I mean they will not They will

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<v Speaker 2>not smack them down, They will not fight them, Joe.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the odd thing of this story.

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<v Speaker 3>You know why, Larry, Because like the old sins who

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<v Speaker 3>rule used to say that every war is won before

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<v Speaker 3>it has never fought, right, And in this case.

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<v Speaker 4>I got that from Wall Street. Actually, well played, Jared,

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<v Speaker 4>well played.

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<v Speaker 2>Trying to a clever such a clever.

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<v Speaker 4>But it's true though, right because here the E word right,

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<v Speaker 4>we always hear about the F word. No, the e

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<v Speaker 4>word is well establishment. If your establishment, you will be

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<v Speaker 4>another word, and that is extinct in the Democrat Party

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<v Speaker 4>because these socialists, Yeah, they hate Macca, they hate Trump,

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<v Speaker 4>they hate capitalism, but they hate I think even more

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<v Speaker 4>establishment Democrats and they will wipe them out and Chuck

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<v Speaker 4>Schumer will be target number one. Elsi ed has said

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<v Speaker 4>that he will not endorse Schumer being the leader of

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<v Speaker 4>the party if they take back the Senate, and many

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<v Speaker 4>others have said that as well from the socialist wing

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<v Speaker 4>of the party. So yeah, Schumer says that I would

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<v Speaker 4>think if I'm Chuck Schumer, go down fighting, say, you

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<v Speaker 4>know what, this is not the Democrat Party. I know,

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<v Speaker 4>this is not the Democrat Party of Bill Clinton, for example,

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<v Speaker 4>that work with new Gingridge when he was the Speaker

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<v Speaker 4>of the House nineteen ninety five to pass welfare reform

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<v Speaker 4>balance budget amendments. The era of big government is over.

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<v Speaker 4>Like the type of things that if a Democrat said

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<v Speaker 4>that today, they would be the word ostracized. Right, It's

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<v Speaker 4>just completely thrown out of the party. So yeah, I

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<v Speaker 4>think in the end, the establishment is scared of the socialists.

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<v Speaker 4>They have the money, the organization, and the power, the

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<v Speaker 4>momentum certainly. So therefore they say big ten. But as

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<v Speaker 4>Bill Maher, the last sensible person in liberal media, said,

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<v Speaker 4>you know what you get into Big ten, you get clowns.

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<v Speaker 4>And that's what we have here, clowns who have no

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<v Speaker 4>idea what they're talking about. It's all about the working class.

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<v Speaker 4>Yet it's a bunch of rich kids like Mendanni or

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<v Speaker 4>else I ed, who have no idea actually had a government,

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<v Speaker 4>certainly don't need anything about economics the way Larry Kuplow

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<v Speaker 4>does that I do know.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, I just want to say, you know, we're in

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<v Speaker 2>New York based station, although it's a national and international broadcast.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, I know Chuck Schumer a long long time,

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<v Speaker 2>and so we have our political difference. We have major

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<v Speaker 2>political differences, but on a personal basis, I don't want

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<v Speaker 2>to insult him. I just don't understand the very questions

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<v Speaker 2>that you're asking why he doesn't stand up among other things,

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<v Speaker 2>Ben ferguson the economics are bad. I'm going to read

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<v Speaker 2>off the list of the DSA platform in just a

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<v Speaker 2>moment from Kim Strassel's excellent Wall Street Journal column. But

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<v Speaker 2>the thing that is so heartbreaking about this is the

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<v Speaker 2>latent anti Semitism that seems to animate the socialists coming up,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the l saied socialists, And he hangs around

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<v Speaker 2>with this guy Hassan and so forth. And you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Sena Schumer, He's not the only one. But he's been

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<v Speaker 2>in politics a very, very long time. He's given public service. Again,

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<v Speaker 2>I have huge political differences with him, but in some sense,

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<v Speaker 2>as the leading Jewish politician in the country, he was

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<v Speaker 2>the minority leader of the Senate, he was the majority

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<v Speaker 2>leader of the Senate, et cetera, et cetera. He has

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<v Speaker 2>a long career and his accomplishments distinguish him in that

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<v Speaker 2>long career. Even though I disagree with his politics, It

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<v Speaker 2>just it breaks my heart that he doesn't stand up

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<v Speaker 2>and just blast them for this incredible anti Semitism, which

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<v Speaker 2>is hatred and bigotry. Ben and you know the story.

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<v Speaker 2>It'll be Catholics next, or it'll be African Americans, It'll

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<v Speaker 2>be Hispanics, isn't now what history proves.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, Look, I think I think there's two choices here

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<v Speaker 1>the way to look at this. Either one Chuck Schumer

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<v Speaker 1>is straight up the end of his career a coward

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<v Speaker 1>because he refused to stand up to the people within

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<v Speaker 1>his own party that were anti Semites. If you can't

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<v Speaker 1>stand up to Hassan Piker and al said, and say

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<v Speaker 1>an individual who says that America deserved nine to eleven

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<v Speaker 1>when you're the New York Senator, if that is not

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<v Speaker 1>enough for you to stand up and say I've had

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<v Speaker 1>enough of this, then I got to thank Either you

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<v Speaker 1>believe these people and you want them to get elected

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<v Speaker 1>and you're secretly in lying about what you believe in

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<v Speaker 1>your entire career, or you are straight up coward, because

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<v Speaker 1>that isn't even politics. Hassan Piker said, America deserve nine

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<v Speaker 1>to eleven. Hassan Piker is out there advocating, supporting El said,

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<v Speaker 1>and no one will denounce that. You look at it

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<v Speaker 1>from that perspective. And here's the other thing about Chuck Schumer.

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<v Speaker 1>Leaders lead cowards always just fold. He folded to keeping

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<v Speaker 1>AOC in line because he was so afraid that she

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<v Speaker 1>was going to primary him that she had. He was like,

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<v Speaker 1>whatever you want, whatever you want, and that's how you

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<v Speaker 1>got this communism and Marxism and socialism to fester in

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<v Speaker 1>the Democratic Party. Now, I also go back to Barack Obama.

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<v Speaker 1>I believe that the majority of the Democratic Party is

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<v Speaker 1>in favor of socialism and communism. And I'm talking about

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<v Speaker 1>the leadership because if you look at the policies, just

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<v Speaker 1>specifically on the Green New Deals, specifically on them saying

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<v Speaker 1>openly that they wanted to force Americans into alternative energy,

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<v Speaker 1>gallon in Europe. That is communism and socialism. And now

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<v Speaker 1>you look at at Schumer, another guy where I go, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>if you believe in what you believe in, as you

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<v Speaker 1>claim throughout your career, how do you not stand up

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<v Speaker 1>to this idea of taking private property and rent control

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<v Speaker 1>and all of the things that Mundani is in favor of.

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<v Speaker 1>So you got anti semitism. He shows stood up on

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<v Speaker 1>he who cowered on that. You have a guy that

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<v Speaker 1>says we deserve nine to eleven. He cowered on that.

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<v Speaker 1>You've got property rights issues, and you cowered down on

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<v Speaker 1>that one. And you said, you know what, as long

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<v Speaker 1>as I keep power for maybe just a few more years,

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<v Speaker 1>then I'm willing to throw all of my values out

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<v Speaker 1>the window. And I think ultimately the reason why you

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<v Speaker 1>keep seeing him say we have a big broad tent.

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<v Speaker 1>Is because the majority of the Democratic leadership. I actually

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<v Speaker 1>think they believe what is being sold right now. They

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<v Speaker 1>just are smart enough to say, hey, we can't say

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<v Speaker 1>it all the time. We can't tell the American people

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<v Speaker 1>we want to steal their property every day. So they're

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<v Speaker 1>just trying to whitewash it. But I don't think to

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<v Speaker 1>have an issue with it.

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<v Speaker 2>You know on that point. Victor Davis Hanson brilliant guy. Obviously,

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<v Speaker 2>he wrote a long piece. I had him on the

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<v Speaker 2>TV show a couple of days ago, but he wrote

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<v Speaker 2>a long piece sort of chronicling the rise of the

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<v Speaker 2>socialists inside the Democratic Party. Remember Bernie Sanders who runs

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<v Speaker 2>by the way as an independent, but he calls himself

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<v Speaker 2>a socialist. I don't know how he gets away with that.

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<v Speaker 2>But in any event, what Victor was saying was go

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<v Speaker 2>back to twenty sixteen, right, and the Democratic primaries. Senator

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<v Speaker 2>Senator Sanders won, I don't know twenty two or twenty

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<v Speaker 2>three primaries. He was beating Hillary Clinton until party elders

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<v Speaker 2>had to step in, and would have been beating Joe

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<v Speaker 2>Biden in the same way until the party leaders had

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<v Speaker 2>to step in South Carolina. In other words, they've been

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<v Speaker 2>festering and fostering this for many years. You go back

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<v Speaker 2>to Barack Obama, who didn't lift a finger against them,

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<v Speaker 2>and when he was president. They've been nurturing them for

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<v Speaker 2>a long time. We just didn't see it, I guess,

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<v Speaker 2>or maybe it didn't, you know, it didn't pop up with.

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<v Speaker 1>Such clasttle feeding them literally from the moment they were

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<v Speaker 1>I think this was created. They bottle fed them, Larry,

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<v Speaker 1>and then they matured them, and then they nurtured them,

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<v Speaker 1>and then they raised money for them, and then they

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<v Speaker 1>advocated for them to take over it. They didn't stop it.

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<v Speaker 1>And even in like extreme cases, you look at what

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<v Speaker 1>happened in Minnesota, you look at what happened with the

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<v Speaker 1>fraud there, they still haven't denounced that, because this is

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<v Speaker 1>how you take over a country.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, Joe think of it this way. A lot

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<v Speaker 2>of people argued, we all probably argued, I don't know

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<v Speaker 2>that the Joe Biden administration was the Bernie Sanders administration.

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<v Speaker 2>It was populated with his people and his ideas, which

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<v Speaker 2>I point to with twenty one point four percent cumulative

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<v Speaker 2>inflation as a perfect example of the failure of the

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<v Speaker 2>socialist experiment. But the point is it was the Joe

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<v Speaker 2>Biden didn't have his own people, he didn't have his

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<v Speaker 2>own ideas. I don't know what he had. It was

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<v Speaker 2>the Bernie Sanders administration. He Biden was their puppet, and

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<v Speaker 2>so all this stuff, right, I mean, this has been

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<v Speaker 2>festering for years.

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<v Speaker 4>Yeah, And if you wonder why Democrats wanted Joe Biden

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<v Speaker 4>to stay in office, because well, he wasn't there, right,

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<v Speaker 4>the elevator wasn't going to the penthouse anymore. Therefore he

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<v Speaker 4>was controllable. And therefore, to your point, you could put

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<v Speaker 4>in all these people, all these radicals, to run the

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<v Speaker 4>country without getting one vote, and that was by design,

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<v Speaker 4>I think ultimately. Now you mentioned Barack Obama before, by

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<v Speaker 4>the way, like you know, during his administration, how you

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<v Speaker 4>know he allowed this to fester bottle feeds, Ben said,

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<v Speaker 4>And that's a great analogy. But have we heard from

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<v Speaker 4>Barack Obama. He's apparently the party leader still at least

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<v Speaker 4>as far as name recognition, in terms of the guy

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<v Speaker 4>that you call first, in terms of endorsements, he has

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<v Speaker 4>not said a keep about this because he's a coward. Also,

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<v Speaker 4>he doesn't know what to do here right, because he

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<v Speaker 4>knows that if he denounces this, then he is toast

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<v Speaker 4>as far as Democrats, especially young Democrats, are concerned. And

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<v Speaker 4>he hasn't said anything about this, and that tells you

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<v Speaker 4>He isn't willing to talk to about anything, and now

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<v Speaker 4>he's silent on this. I think the bottom line is, though,

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<v Speaker 4>and I know you got to go to breaksaw. I'll

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<v Speaker 4>wrap this up quickly. If l SIID wins in Michigan,

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<v Speaker 4>then AOC is your nominee. Like that's the connection. A

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<v Speaker 4>win state wade in a purple state. Right, Trump's won

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<v Speaker 4>there twice. Then therefore they say this is working, Let's

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<v Speaker 4>put out AOC as the nominee. If it doesn't work there,

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<v Speaker 4>then maybe they go back to establishment. Maybe, but I

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<v Speaker 4>if your establishment, you are not going to win in

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<v Speaker 4>this party because the primaries are such where the far

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<v Speaker 4>And that's why Kamala Harris right now, who wants to

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<v Speaker 4>Electoral College and the Supreme Court because that's what the

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<v Speaker 4>And I think in the end, you put Marco Rubio

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<v Speaker 4>that's how radical these ideas are.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know, Ben, you know, Ben No, I got

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<v Speaker 2>to take a break. Joe's right, but I gotta tell you.

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<v Speaker 2>And when I think about the last sentence there from Joe,

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<v Speaker 2>you put them in the ring. To me, the free

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<v Speaker 4>I hope you're right.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't. I'm just I'm not.

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<v Speaker 4>You know, ain't going to happen.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm sure you're right. And it's August of twenty six,

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<v Speaker 2>so it's a very long stones throw from any of that.

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<v Speaker 2>But I'm just saying, given the stuff that jd Vance

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<v Speaker 2>had said, now, Marco Rubio better, no question, But the

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<v Speaker 2>real free enterpriser in the Republican Party, the leadership is

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<v Speaker 2>Ted Cruise. Anyway, we'll take a quick break. I understand

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<v Speaker 2>to Joe Concha, who was I'm w ABC radio host

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<v Speaker 2>of the Joe Conscience Show and Ben Ferguson and the

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<v Speaker 2>Ben Ferguson Podcast. I'm Cudler. We'll be right back, man.

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<v Speaker 2>We're talking about tics. Joe Concha, Fox News, WABC Radio,

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<v Speaker 2>host of the Joe Conscia Show nine to ten pm

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<v Speaker 2>coch Eric with Ted Cruz podcast. Gentlemen, welcome back. Can

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<v Speaker 2>somebody run down for me? I'm not sure I really

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<v Speaker 2>understand this. Maybe Joe, I'll start with you. Burrito Gate?

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<v Speaker 2>What was going on this week about Burrito's. I'm not

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<v Speaker 2>sure I understand the meaning of this.

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<v Speaker 4>It's funny. I you know, I was on vacation for

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<v Speaker 4>interview yesterday and somebody bought that up. And honestly, while

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<v Speaker 4>I'm being asked the question, I googled burrito Gate. Yes,

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<v Speaker 4>I really had heard of it, and I didn't want

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<v Speaker 4>radio show. Apparently burritos are very expensive now, and in

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<v Speaker 4>some cases they're twenty dollars. I've never had a burrito

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<v Speaker 4>in my life, so I don't I can't give you

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<v Speaker 4>any context around that, but I'm pretty sure twenty bucks

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<v Speaker 4>for anything that you eat is probably not good, especially

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<v Speaker 4>when it's fast food. So I think it is that

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<v Speaker 4>in the end, if burritos are expensive, therefore everything's expensive. Therefore,

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<v Speaker 4>socialists are getting this momentum because they could say that

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<v Speaker 4>they are the working class party that can make things

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<v Speaker 4>affordable again again. You bought it up before. It's either

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<v Speaker 4>Ben or Larry. I forget around inflation under Biden, when

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<v Speaker 4>Democrats had total control and they passed the Inflation Reduction Act,

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<v Speaker 4>and that pushed inflation to a level we haven't seen

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<v Speaker 4>since Raiders of the Lost Arc nineteen eighty one. You've

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<v Speaker 4>nine percent inflation. And now these people have the audacity.

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<v Speaker 4>They're on, well, we're gonna make things affordable again. Well,

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<v Speaker 4>you already had your at bat, and I'm pretty sure

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<v Speaker 4>you struck out on three pecks.

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<v Speaker 2>That was my point. That was twenty We gave them

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<v Speaker 2>the baton under Biden, and he did twenty one point

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<v Speaker 2>four percent inflation cumulatively over the four year period, and

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<v Speaker 2>they use that. The inflation rate today is about depending

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<v Speaker 2>on how you measure it, it's three and a half percent,

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<v Speaker 2>about two and a half percent. It's not twenty one

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<v Speaker 2>a you know, Ben, it's a ruse. They use that

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<v Speaker 2>to cover up the rest of it because they don't

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<v Speaker 2>want to talk about here. I'm going to read Kim

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<v Speaker 2>strassel dsa agenda public ownership of large corporations and essential industries,

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<v Speaker 2>They don't want to talk about that stuff, so they

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<v Speaker 2>talk about burritos.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah. Look, this goes back to the egg conversation. Remember

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<v Speaker 1>we were arguing over how extensive eggs had gotten under Biden,

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<v Speaker 1>and then they came down and then But I do

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<v Speaker 1>think there is a cautionary til here. Do you remember

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<v Speaker 1>the guy that ran for office under the platform of

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<v Speaker 1>the rent is too damn high? You remember that guy?

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<v Speaker 1>Like it was so simplistic and it was laughable, but

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<v Speaker 1>then it connected. And this is where I would say

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<v Speaker 1>the Republicans that are running for office, don't get too

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<v Speaker 1>arrogant because the price of goods are too high right

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<v Speaker 1>now the majority of hard working Americans. I mean, the

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<v Speaker 1>other day we went to five guys and got not

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<v Speaker 1>the full burger, the little burgers. For my family, it

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<v Speaker 1>was almost ninety dollars for a fry and five burgers.

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<v Speaker 1>That is a point. That's the point where I looked

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<v Speaker 1>at my wife and I'm like, we didn't get drinks.

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<v Speaker 1>It was eighty four dollars in change. And I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>like this is insane. And so the point that was

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<v Speaker 1>twenty dollars for a burrito, that's to go. There's a

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<v Speaker 1>But we also have to understand that that is what

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<v Speaker 1>I describe as a big warning sign. Well, that's what

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<v Speaker 1>I want to talk the issue. Yeah, you got to talk.

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<v Speaker 1>That's why I want you.

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<v Speaker 2>I want a tax cutting budget. I want to spending

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<v Speaker 2>man tax cutting budget, which the GOP senators have simply

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<v Speaker 2>not delivered. I mean, people do want more money in

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<v Speaker 2>their pockets. That's the Republican affordability. Now. Trump did that

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<v Speaker 2>brilliantly in the election with no tax on tips and overtime,

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<v Speaker 2>brilliant But you know, what have you done for me lately?

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<v Speaker 2>And that's the way I saw the burrito story. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>here to that issue of affordability, which you know, unfortunately

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<v Speaker 2>with the energy prices and gasoline up not up as

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<v Speaker 2>but it is over four dollars. It should be closer

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<v Speaker 4>I gotta have some, that's everything. Yeah, the gas prices

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<v Speaker 4>are such a big thing. I mean I just drove.

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<v Speaker 4>I'm literally driving while I'm interviewing with you. It's three

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<v Speaker 4>ninety five, which is okay, it's blow four dollars, but

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<v Speaker 4>I ain't three where it used to be.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, that's right, every it's a tax.

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<v Speaker 4>On everyone, and I'm sorry the party in power is

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<v Speaker 4>that may be why you have a problem in November.

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<v Speaker 4>I mean, it definitely is why you have a problem

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<v Speaker 2>Joe Concha. You can get a nine to ten pm

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<v Speaker 2>every ninth Sundays eleven to twelve and Ben Ferguson and

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<v Speaker 2>the Ben Ferguson Podcast. Thank you, gentlemen. Very good folks.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm cud Low. We gonna take a break and look

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<v Speaker 2>at the economy in some detail after this, please stick around.

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<v Speaker 2>Lots more cooking