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a ton of messages and so just I will apologize
now I'm not going to be able to read all
of them because it's just very difficult to keep up
with all of the messages, you know, over the last
seventy two hours that just come in on the text line,
they come in on the on Twitter, and on the
email and such. I try to get to them. So
some of these may actually have been sent to me
yesterday or the day before. But let me read this
one from good Wahoo, who says, what the killer fails
to understand is that they have just ensured that Charlie
Kirk's voice of reason and truth, given in a non
confrontational manner, will now be explored by millions in the
US and around the world that did not know who
he was and what his message was. They will now
begin to find out, and the world will be much
better for it. In death, Charlie has achieved his goals
much faster than if he were alive. Let me see
here this is hang on a second from Russ who
says a quote from a friend the left has these
people thinking that they're the hero in a righteous revenge story.
They are not John Wick. They're the Russian punk protected
their whole life, who would attack a man in his
home and kill his dog because they think they are
entitled to his car. No appreciation for what it cost
the man to have those things, what they mean to him,
and no concept of the monster that lies within a
man who is trying to be good but gets pushed
too far. You mentioned how many of these awful assassination
celebrations were coming from the quote helping professions. I also
noticed quite a few were from gatekeepers, people who make
decisions about the level of medical care you receive, hiring
and firing, etc. Also, all their justifications are based on
lies about Charlie Kirk history and current US and world events.
From the text line. Well, that's very nice, David, thank you,
he says, I've been listening to BT for decades. Pete
is such a blessing and in my opinion, the most
insightful and educated. Thanks for standing up to all evil.
We need more like you in this world. Thank you, David.
I appreciate it. Let me go back to this page
of the text feed, and then this page so I
can pull up these texts. This is from anonymous. The
left emboldens each other so they feel untouchable. That's an
astute point. They Yeah, it's like you sit around in
your echo chamber and you just keep egging each other
on and egging each other on. And when you are,
you know, a wash in the cultural media institutions that
support your viewpoints on everything, it's very easy then to
think that you are untouchable, that you are the majority,
and that how could we have lost the election? It
must be fascism. Now calling your political opponents, your fellow
Americans fascists, and you know, with a steady drum beat
for the last decade and a half, you cannot be
surprised when people believe you. Here is here's a clip
I don't even know how this is like Nate Burlison.
When I first saw this guy, I was like, wasn't
he a football player? And yes he was. And so
now he's on the morning show CBS Mornings with Gail
King and whatever. Like I guess he was like CBS's
response to Michael Strahan, like, hey, let's get you know,
let's get a football player in here, and he'll be
just like Michael Strahan. I guess that was the play.
But this dude should not be talking about politics because
he doesn't know what the hell he's talking about here.
He was yesterday morning with Kevin McCarthy, the former Speaker
of the House, a Republican. And this is a common
refrain that I am hearing from the legacy media outlets
that are trying to deflect away from the obvious political
motivations that are at the heart of this assassination. They
don't want to confront any of the rhetoric that they
have emboldened, that they have actually uttered themselves, that they
have promote, that they have allowed Democrats to come on
the air and say without any kind of pushback, they
believe this stuff, but they recognize, ooh, this might be
a little too close to home for us people might
people might blame us for Dare I call it stochastic terrorism.
That was the term you guys came up with when
you wanted to pin every kind of crime that was
committed by somebody even remotely tangentially related to the GOP
or Donald Trump. You came up with this term in
order to say, well, you know, Donald Trump says this,
and then you know, seven orders away or seven leve
layers away, or or one hundred layers away. There's a
guy who saw Trump's speech four years ago and he
did something bad, so therefore he was motivated by Donald Trump.
And even if there's no direct correlation or causation or
any kind of affiliation or relationship, you're going to say
something on the order of, uh, well, I don't know, Well,
it's just the climb that Trump created. This is what
they are saying now. This is what they're saying now.
I was driving back from the blood drive yesterday. I
popped over to listen to the BBC, which is aired
on our local NPR affiliate, and they've got the Utah
Republican Party chairman on and this British idiot just because
they got British accents doesn't make them smarter people. Just
to heads up on that, This British BBC presenter brings
on the Utah GOP chairman and he's asking the chairman
about comments not made by Democrats that might have inspired
the shooting. That was the topic of the conversation. The
reason to have the Republican chairman from Utah on your
program is because Charlie Kirk was assassinated in that state.
And what does the brit do, probably you know, seething
through his bad what does he do? He reads quotes
from Donald Trump to this guy. Basically, isn't Donald Trump
to blame for all this? What about Donald Trump? What
about Donald Trump? Reading quote after quote after quote to
try to get this guy to play defend or disavowed
D or D. That's the game that the left always
plays with Republicans. When the story is a scandal about
a Republican, then the story is the scandal, and when
it's about when the scandal is about a Democrat, then
it's about the Republican reaction. This is all a deflection
game that they are playing right now because they know
they know this fits the definition of the very thing
that they were warning us all about for years and
years stochastic terrorism. This fits the bill and they don't
want to have any of their fingerprints on it, So
they're going to make it about Trump. And that's what
Nate Burlison tried to do here with Kevin McCarthy.
Speaker 2: And as Tony mentioned, not everyone to to his words
or his rhetoric. You know at times they were offensive
to specific communities. But with that said, this is not
the time to focus on that. We are focused on
this tragedy. But you're thinking about this tragedy. Is this
a moment for your party to reflect on political violence?
Is it a moment for us to think about the
responsibility of our political leaders and their voices and what
it does to the masses as they get lost in
misinformation or disinformation that turns in and spills into political viright.
Speaker 1: I say both, see both sides. See is it a
time for your party to do something? Your party be
doing something about this? Well, when when somebody gets radicalized
by Charlie Kirk to go murder some lefty, then maybe
yeah you can. You should draw attention to that. Maybe so,
But of all days to frame it like this, this
is why they do it. It's it's deflection and McCarthy
plays along parties.
Speaker 3: I don't even say parties, I say a nation. Okay,
if there's a moment in matter we want to look to.
And I looked back and I watched this again when
Robert F. Kennedy is running and he's in Indianapolis and
he just got the news that Martin Luther King was
killed and he has to tell the crowd because we
don't have social media at that time.
Speaker 1: And it was.
Speaker 3: Remarkable the words he said. He said, we have to
ask as a nation, who are we and how do
we want to move forward? We have watched this political
attack on both sides. We watched what happened in Minnesota.
We watched what happened to President Trump. We've watched this
on both sides. This is not a question about parties.
This is a question about nations.
Speaker 1: All right. So here's the thing. If you're trying to
make a connection between speech and violence, you bring people
on to talk about this event, wouldn't you connect the
speech with the violence that we just saw for the
event that you're covering. Why are you looking to zoom out?
Why are you trying to zoom out? And let's look
at all this stuff. This is a story. This is
the story. So if you're trying to get to the
bottom of what happened, why it happened, this one story,
why wouldn't you ask anybody about any kind of rhetoric
that actually prompted this? Oh? Is it because you've been
using that rhetoric Again, I've been doing this a long time,
from a reporter to a host. I have always recognized
the responsibility that I have to not inflame people, to
not egg people on. I am always consistent in this violence.
Just like Charlie Kirk said, you talk through these debates.
That's the point. This is the political arena. You go
in there, you do battle. It's passionate. Yes, you argue,
but that's the point. That's where it stops. If you're
going to engage in violence, then I have no use
for you, and civil society should not either. And when
you demonize your opponents to the extent that now you've
got people going out and murdering your political opponents, then yeah,
you have some responsibility there, which is why I don't
ever ever add anything to that. And I'm only one man.
I can only do what I can do. Maybe some
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Rivkin on Twitter says mainstream America isn't at all interested
in the activist left rage and they're anti Americanism. If
national Democrats cannot lead their base back to sanity or
stage and intervention where that base gets right with the
country and its institutions, we're in a dark place. As
an aside, this has been a major ideological problem for
the intersectional intersectionalist left going back generations. People in the
main including those in groups they deem oppressed who they
believe are obligated to be united against their own countries
based on that supposed oppression, actually like their countries. They
don't want revolutionary change and are not sold on shortcuts
to Utopia. Eric Ericksson pointed out that in July, he's
a talk show host in Atlanta. In July and we
covered this at the time, Democrats told Axios that they
were scared their base was turning violent. Quote. Our own
base is telling us that what we're doing is not
good enough, that there needs to be blood to grab
the attention of the press and the public. I was
one Democrat lawmaker anonymous. Democrats have a problem in their party.
They seem incapable or unwilling to excise this cancer, and
I suspect it's because they fear that if they do so,
they lose support and they won't be in power. It's
an electoral calculation. John Padartz, he had a very lengthy
write up and give you some of the highlights. Talking
about the danger of social media is that it allows
people to publish their internal monologues. Our internal monologues and
fantasies are oftentimes incredibly ugly. People go to therapists because
they feel so guilty about them, and one of the
tasks of a therapist is to explain that thoughts are
not actions. You can rage in your thoughts about your
brother or somebody at work, even fantasize about them dying.
You've done nothing and are guilty of nothing, and you
need to forgive yourself and learn how to calm yourself down.
Since two thousand and seven, people have a means of
externalizing that interior monologue and that and this means something
a researcher at MIT saying, rather than just thinking that, Oh,
I really want to see that video of Charlie Kirk
dying again because it works better than my antidepressant, which
is what an MIT professor said. This has now become
a public act. I see it, and then I'm affected
by it. The public discourse is affected by it. My
sense of how the world works, what people are really like,
it undergoes a change. I become rageful. I believe people
who think this way are evil. It's likely they are not.
They just have a means of externalizing the parts of
them that no one ever saw. But another human tendency,
the tendency to extrapolate from individual samples to the whole.
This then kicks in as well. I will assume that
anyone and everyone like that MIT researcher is an enemy
of everything good and is unsalvageable. And in that way,
my world shrinks. The part of him that dehumanizes Charlie
Kirk and turns his assassination into a joke then threatens
to dehumanize me in a way. And seriously, before social media,
I would never even know that this guy existed or
that he thought what he thought, and that was better
for him and me. The question is, and I mean
this literally, can civilization survive now that we have been
made to witness the interior lives of others. We don't
need to hear your internal monologues. You don't need to
vomit all of your crazy, evil thoughts for all the
world to see. You don't need to do that. You
will be better off for not doing it, and the
world will be better off for not doing it. It's
sort of like making jokes on the radio. It's why
I have the rim shot, because even I, a broadcast
professional with no comedic training, recognize that sometimes people don't
get the joke, and sometimes my jokes are not very funny.
But when I add the rim shot, the jokes become
fifty seven percent more hilarious. But when people call in
and they try to make jokes, they're not professionals like me,
and so sometimes they don't work very well. So over
years of doing this job, I know an internal monologue
and that stuff doesn't go on the air. But with
social media, everybody puts that crap out there. Game on
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has been hanging on a very long time. He wants
to ask me something about a book.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was wondering, Alex Jones.
Speaker 1: Oh sorry, that's the way I react. Whenever I hear
the dame Alex Jones.
Speaker 4: I don't follow follow Alex Jones, but he had the
clip of this is on another YouTuber.
Speaker 1: Yeah you'll lost me at Alex Jones.
Speaker 4: Of the book that was published?
Speaker 1: Are you sure it was? You sure it's a published book?
Speaker 4: Yeah, We're always on Amazon.
Speaker 1: That doesn't mean anything. I can post something on Amazon.
I can do a graphic posted up onto Amazon and
make it look like I'm selling something. I've got an
Amazon shop, so and then it doesn't even have to
be a real thing. I could just like I could
just create an image, post it up there, make it
look like it's a book, and then sell the book,
or make it look like I'm selling a book and
there's no book.
Speaker 4: There is an l A Thoms in the New York
Times that add something posted and so.
Speaker 1: I mean, I wait about what New York Times LA
Times had something posted about what, oh.
Speaker 4: Yeah, about him his murder, like nineteen hours before he
was assassinated.
Speaker 1: So make you make your assertion.
Speaker 4: Well, I didn't know if if anybody else. I mean,
I was just like verifying you know what I had seen,
and it's it's.
Speaker 1: Does it sound does it sound accurate to you like,
does it sound like does that sound believable that the
New York Times and the LA Times, you know, notable
for their conservatism and right wingery. Do you think that
they would somehow or another have been given some advance
knowledge that Charlie Kirk was going to be assassinated?
Speaker 5: Well?
Speaker 1: No, what was the story?
Speaker 4: Oh wait, it was it was just clips of I
don't I don't think it was like a thing.
Speaker 1: I mean, so there's yeah, there's video of it happening.
It was being recorded right by Turning Point, USA. There's video.
There were literally thousands of witnesses to it right right.
So I'm I'm not sure and I'm not sure what
the conspiracy would be. And I heard a guy call
into Brett Winnables show yesterday who was convinced that it
was some sort of an op of some kind. Not
sure what evidence there is for that. He seemed to
think that a two hundred yard shot is like impossible
to make unless you are like a highly trained, skilled
master hunter I think is the word that he used,
which of course is not true, which is why it
was probably scoped up as a head shot. But he
didn't account for the drop of the bullet, which is
why it ended up hitting Kirk in the neck.
Speaker 4: I mean, I wasn't. I just I mean there's you know.
Speaker 1: There's That's That's why I'm walking you through the with
the questions like does it seem believable?
Speaker 4: Well no, but I mean a lot of things that
don't seem believable, are you know, end up in archery?
Speaker 1: Right? But I mean think about the scale of the
thing that you that you're that you're asking about, right,
like that there was somehow or another this plot, there
was an op of some kind that was orchestrated.
Speaker 4: Plot.
Speaker 1: Well, there had to have been if somebody got advanced
notice and they had stories posted up hours before the
killing actually occurred, right right, Yeah, So it's just it
to me, it does not seem credible or believable at all.
Speaker 4: All Right, Well maybe some of your other listeners may have.
Speaker 1: Do you want it to be true?
Speaker 4: Well, I mean I think it's something that definitely need
to be investigated, right, But you don't just so alone
gunman that was out to kill him? You know, I
mean there's and there's clips you've seen of other you
know that the people in the crop are actually cheering,
you know, which that.
Speaker 1: Yeah he did. He had opposition, but when a gunshot
rang out, everybody ran, right, Yeah, there weren't people like
dancing and celebrating at the time. People were running. That's that.
That's what the video shows. When I watched it, I
know there's a video that's making the rounds. That is
that takes a h takes a different image and superimposes
it onto the crowd to make that look like somebody
is cheering. But no, everybody ran if you just look
at the originalty. That's why I asked, if you want
it to be true, I.
Speaker 4: Mean, I think it's something that needs no I.
Speaker 1: Understand you said that, but like, do you would you
prefer that that there be some other explanation than than
a twenty two year old radicalized by left wing antifah ideology.
Speaker 4: I mean, not necessarily. I mean, you know, I mean,
you know, there it's plausible. Anything's plausible. I mean I
think it's.
Speaker 1: Well, anything is possible, But what is what is more plausible?
What's more credible?
Speaker 4: I mean anytime they look and then you know, police
investigates any kind of criminal act, you know, or murderers
say they they look, I mean they you know, they
say they you know, turn over every stone and they
look at anything and everything. That's me, who is you
know involved or I mean, I'm just saying that, you know,
so like that's those things need to be look.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, I'm sure Alex Jones will be all over it.
But I don't trust Alex Jones on anything, and I
don't know. I'm not saying you do. I'm just saying, right,
I'm just pointing out that if you if an investigation
into these things is what you seek, I'm sure Alex
Jones will be doing that kind of investigative work and
coming up with all sorts of alternate explanations to tell
us what quote really happened in between you know, selling
you supplements. So that's Alex.
Speaker 4: Like I said, I don't listen, No, I know.
Speaker 1: I know, I'm no, I get it. I'm not saying
you do. No, no, no, I'm not saying you do.
I'm just like you're saying you want there to be
an investigation, you think people should look into it, and
I'm telling you I have no doubt people will. People
like Alex Jones. Yeah, so that's it, and.
Speaker 4: Other legitimate sources say the poef or I'm sure cannath
ons from the elements.
Speaker 1: Well, there you go. And if you can't trust heah,
can you trust?
Speaker 5: Right?
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welcome to the program.
Speaker 5: Hey Brett, how are Hey?
Speaker 1: It's Pete. But what's up?
Speaker 5: You know what that last caller was calling about. I
don't necessarily subscribe to it, but I had seen something
as well where it showed a New York Times book
coming out on the assassination of Charlie Kirk, and I
believe it showed it was posted nineteen hours before his assassination.
Speaker 1: So I think you are I think you're conflating two
different things. The posted nineteen hours ago was the articles
this is according to that.
Speaker 5: Might be Yeah, this is from Chris.
Speaker 1: All Right, you didn't see a book. You saw you
saw an image of an Amazon listing that purported to
sell a book. But you don't know if there's a book.
There's no record that there's a book. There's no record
that a book exists.
Speaker 3: There is not.
Speaker 5: And that's why with all this stuff, I don't really
subscribe to all of it because it could be misinformation.
But on the on the one point, on the shot,
and I agree with you, where he was gaming. But
if you actually watched the replay, Charlie was wearing a
bulletproof vest. He was not, and he really because if
you look you can see it deflect in center.
Speaker 1: Matt, No, it was not wearing a bulletproof.
Speaker 5: Vest, really, and you have that confirmed.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you can see he's wearing a T shirt. He's
walking around throwing out hats. It's a T shirt. You
can see the contours of his Torso.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't know. It just looks awfully weird. But
again I don't really subscribe to it. Just it looks weird.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, No, the T shirt he had had some
panels on the sides, like from the armpits running down,
So it wasn't like he had like there were two
parallel panels or seams rather under each armpit going down.
And I suspect that's what people are keying on. But
it was just a T shirt and even if he
were wearing a vest, it still hit him in the neck.
So this is from Chris in Shelby, who says the
article that the caller was talking about was posted nineteen
hours ago. It actually shows that the original article was
about Charlie Kirk being at the college. So that was
the initial post because Charlie Kirk is coming to this college.
And then after the assassination, the article gets updated and
so you rewrite it, but the original posting data stays there.
Usually there's something that says, you know this this post
has been updated at this time or whatever. But some websites,
some news organizations may not do that. But generally that's
the way you're supposed to do that. But they, you know,
if somebody has the article that's already posted, they go
into the article to change or update it with the
new information. So that's a very good explanation. Chris did
the guy Bill from yesterday I believe his name was,
Did he ever email you about socialism and communism after
he did all that research that he said he was
going to do? He did not anonymous seven h four number.
He did not. I've not received any email telling me
all of the the finer points of of the labels
that he was opposed to being labeled with.
Speaker 5: This.
Speaker 1: Uh, I don't know, don't have a name for this either.
Oh never mind, I won't read that from a three
three six number. Ketamine is not good to take before
you call Pete that's usually good advice. Joe says that
theory about the assassination being posted before it happened came
from Alex Jones. Watched it today. Yes, and just for
the record, in case anybody was unaware or there's any doubt.
I do not trust anything, Alex Jones says. I find
him to be a Carnival Barker type of a personality
con man. So anyway, you don't have to agree with me,
it's totally fine, but that's my view of him. JT says, Pete,
between the pot smokers the dumbasses, I really don't know
how you make it through a three hour day because
I only work three hours a day. Mike says, what
you've just described about social media is why I personally
do not participate in those platforms any longer. Well, I
think if you do it responsibly, like you think, like,
what I will do is if I'm going to write something,
I will not send it immediately. I do this with
emails too, and then I go back a little bit later.
I'll wait fifteen twenty minutes, half an hour, and I'll
go back and read it again, especially if it's something
that is like heat of the moment or whatever, and
you always have to reread your stuff and then think
about how this is going to be read by somebody
who may not have all the information or have ever
heard the show, and that sort of thing. David says,
thank God for Charlie Kirk and for you Pete. Thank you.
You always seem to be my voice. Well, thank you, David,
I appreciate that. All right, that'll do it for this episode.
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