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Journal and her substack publication is called more to the Story, Ap.
How are you today?
Speaker 2: I'm doing well. How are you pe?
Speaker 1: I am doing all right. Earlier in the program, I
was informed by a listener that over on the NPR
affiliate here in town, there was apparently an episode of
one A, which is like, I think that's the New
York Times podcast or show that they do or maybe not.
I don't know, but it's over on NPR, and they
were apparently talking with Democrats that were now going to
grow facial hair and that's going to win voters back
to their side. They believe it's a lack of facial hair,
which I was not aware of this. Have you ever
have you heard of this analysis? No, no, I don't think.
Speaker 2: It's I'm not a I'm not opposed. Facial hair is
great on guys, But it's just more about winning the
winning the mail vote back.
Speaker 1: I think so. Yeah, so I think because they see
they got a curse and they got to say y'all
and they got to have they got to have facial
hair apparently because it's not they were very clear, it's
not their uh, their policies. It's just their messaging hasn't
broken through somehow, and so that's the real problem. It's
the it's their inability to message because they don't control
enough platforms to push messaging. Yes, that's kind of bizarre,
which is now also bizarre that you got another poll
you write about at your sub stack. This new polls
show people think the Democrats have gone a little too
far to the left. It's not their policies though, I'm
sure it's just the messaging here right.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, this was an I and I Tip Insights poll.
It had about over four or fourteen hundred adults and
the poll was taken from June twenty fifth to the
twenty seventh, and I asked the participants do you think
the Democratic Party has become too radical in its views
and policies? And the result was forty five percent of
voters currently viewed the Democratic Party as too radical, thirty
six percent said the opposite, in eighteen percent said they
were unsure either way.
Speaker 1: Right now, that's largely I mean that forty five percent
that's driven by the Republican response, right because the Republicans
were at seventy three percent saying, yes, Democrats have become
too radical.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, when you broke down by party, that's how
that's how it shook out. But I mean even in
independents were saying, yeah, this is this is too much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a problem that's at.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and they didn't even know who their leader of
their party should be. Thirty six percent was the plurality
in that question, and they said they weren't sure. The
top percentagegethers were Vice President Kamala Harris with ten percent,
Chuck Schumer with nine percent, former President Barack Obama eight percent,
House Meminori leader King Jeffrey seven percent, and tied with
five percent, where AOC California governor Newsom and former President
Joe Biden.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that's pretty sad too. But and look, this
is the problem. You know, when you don't win the
White House, then yeah, who is the leader of your party?
And Republicans have enjoyed now a decade where Trump has
been the leader. It's been very clear, right, So that
and but I remember, you know, after w was out
and Obama came in this the Republicans kind of suffered
the same sort of dilemma as they you know, they
tried to find, you know, who's going to be the
leader of the party. And I guess that's why we
got Mitch McConnell.
Speaker 3: I don't know, it looks like it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I did think this was interesting that that Republicans
in this poll they at ten percent, they have Harris
Kamala Harris tied with Barack Obama. So like Republicans have
I think this view that Obama is still in charge,
and it's like the Democrats they rated Obama at just
seven percent, which is odd, Like why wouldn't still be
the leader of the party, And like all of Biden
world was basically retreads from Obama world, So like why
why would you not be aware that Obama still is
very much involved in this stuff. It's kind of I
don't know, it's kind of weird that that the results
showed that. So this is going to be a problem.
I mean, unless, of course, everybody grows facial hair, then
maybe they will be able to uh to get Roy Cooper,
my good friend Ray as I like to call him,
made it official. He is going to run for the
US Senate because he just wants to serve us so badly. Yes,
you are not surprised by this announcement.
Speaker 2: No, no, nope. Several weeks ago, right around July eighth,
I had multiple sources telling me that he was running,
and that that was confirmed by an event at which
Attorney General Jeff Jackson had said in the current tense
that he was endorsing h Now, neither one of those
parties would go on the record, because if I had
identified the event or anything like that, it would have
put the finger on who they were.
Speaker 1: Oh.
Speaker 2: So, you know, a local outlet here decided to try
to mock me for that, and it turns out I
was correct.
Speaker 1: Ah vindication. Yes, it's good, it feels good. All right,
So what was the local who attacked you? It was
w r L like the like on Twitter.
Speaker 2: Uh No, they used one of their PolitiFact things to
pick one piece out of the article that I wrote
wrapping that information there. It was about a coffee with
Cooper invite which she said he was going to be
talking about the future of North Carolina. It was gonna
take care take event in Winston Salem, and I had
originally put it in the article and it was pending
requests for comment from from the venue. And once I
finally got a hold of the people at the venue
and asked if anything was planned for that day, they
said no. So that was that was out. And not
only that, but the band I think, you know, after
after I looked at it again, the band was not
something that was going to be there, either there or
somewhere else. So it looked like it was fabricated. But
they held that up as though it was important, right
like it was really the smaller part it was, you know,
they The bigger part of it was that I had
gotten this information that this was going to happen right
ahead of them, and they weren't happy.
Speaker 1: Obviously, not because I would have thought Cooper had him
on speed dial, because I mean, they were one of
the only ones that he would ever let on the
phone to ask questions during the COVID briefings and stuff,
which that's going to be fun to revisit. Right, So
I made a list the other day pros and cons
for you know, Cooper and Wattley, and I mean the
stuff that Cooper is going to have to answer for.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: You got the COVID response, his terrible you know, disastrous
disaster relief and response HB two, which you know, the
vibe has shifted on that whole issue. Also all of
the vetos, right, And in his announcement he was talking
about balancing budgets and stuff like, dude, you vetoed every
single budget that came down the line except for the
last one. Also, I'm kind of curious, is what's his
take on Gaza. I'm very curious because he's gonna run
for US Senate. You're going to have to do some
foreign policy stuff. So I'm wondering that he's.
Speaker 2: Been working at Harvard as a as a lecturer there.
Harvard has been under the microscope for its anti Semitic
issues and protests. I mean, that's obviously going to get
dragged in there. Yeah, you mentioned COVID. Yeah, there's a lockdowns.
You know, our schools and our kids are masked longer
than just about any other any other state in the nation.
There's you know, how he treated the George Floyd riots
where you know, everything was burning down, and then two
days later he goes out walking around with the protesters
with the mask dangling from his face. And then the
reopened NC protesters who you know, staged arrests against one
individual there to you know, send a message. There's the
Atlantic Coast Pipeline and the alleged slush fund that went
along with.
Speaker 1: Oh I forgot about that one.
Speaker 2: Pipe, the DOT budget that just went completely off the rails,
and he had to replace the chief that he had
in place there. The DMV is completely disaster. And why
Goodwin was out there, you know, and then coming into office,
you know, he he had the crime lab issues and
the Duke Lacrosse issues and was involved in the Jim
Black trial and all that. And then you know, just
as he's heading in there and Josh sein is taking
over as AG, we find out that North Carolina had
the number one back backlog in the nation. He cleared out,
said he cleaned Yeah, he said he cleared the crime
lab stuff, so you know, but there it is, you know,
and then what else was there? There was one other
thing that came up, his his penchant for for punishing
Democrats in his own party in the st Legislature. You know,
there was Kirk devieer In, several other Democrats who we threatened.
You know, Tricia Coffin went Republican and it was mainly
over school choice. She she's a very strong school choice supporter,
and so when she switched over, you know that that
kind of turned everything upside down.
Speaker 1: Record on anti vouchers probably not going to play very well.
But and here's the other thing too, Like, he has
never been the target of the amount of negative ads
and fundraising outside of the state that he's about to be.
So like, I'm genuinely curious to see how this campaign
unfolds because I don't know if he's ever I think
what he's about to experience is going to be out
of the norm for him.
Speaker 4: I think so too.
Speaker 2: And you know the other you know, on the other side,
we've got you know, Michael Wattley. He was the NCGOP
chair and he led several successful campaigns which you know,
flipped the judiciary in the state to Republican and kept
Republican majorities there. He was largely responsible for helping coordinate
the judicial races. You know, he's he's run successful campaigns
to keep super majorities in both chambers for the most part.
That was you know, some success. And then he went
off to the RNs and along with Laura Trump got
you know, President Trump elected to second term. His his
election background, you know, it's he's got strong on wasn't
and winning races, just not one of his own yet,
which is going to probably be the focus of the
Cooper campaign. I can see them going after him for
not having any real world experience as a and Mark Robins.
Speaker 1: So Mark, they're going to hammer him on Mark Robinson.
It's just gonna you are going to see more Mark
Robinson in this election. He's not even running it, you know.
Speaker 2: I know, but I think that I think that the electorate,
you know, that's going to play to his bass. But
I don't know that that's necessarily going to play at large,
because I mean, you're backing a candidate and then suddenly
that that candidate turns out to be a problem, right,
you know that that's happened in both parties. I can
think of John Edwards being one yes, uh, you know,
to which you know, Attorney General Austin used to work
for that campaign. He was he was worked for that
work for him, So there were there's that tie in there.
And then you've got know the question of the North
Canty Democratic Party and their own issues with their anti
Israel platforms. You know, if it's if they're endorsing him,
you know that that can be flipped on its script
and go back at him with that. But you know,
I think the fact that Botley has not been elected
to an official office before, that's that's what they're probably
going to harp on that. I would say, you know,
the counter that would be that, you know, he's been
in politics the vast majority of his adult life.
Speaker 1: Elizabeth Dole, he was her chief of the exactly.
Speaker 2: He knows how the sausage is made, so it's not
like this he was. This is new waters for him.
And I think the fact that he's got the backing
of both the President and Laura Trump, who had been
you know, it was her seat to turn down pretty much,
I think that that's gonna help. That's going to play
in his favor and if the if the economy continues
to go the way it's going, things getting better that
the tariff de iers are having problems, you know, coming
up with arguments of how they're networking when Trump keeps
sealing all these deals, the latest one with the European Union.
I think that the economy issue, as well as doing
what he said he was going to do with deportations
and immigration and cutting crime. I think those two things,
if they continue into next year, we might see the
Republicans hold onto more seats than people think they might.
Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean, look, it's the trend is always to
you know, the party that controls the White House loses
seats in the Congress at the mid terms except for
right after nine to eleven. So I mean it is possible.
Like it's it's a trend, it's it's not a rule.
So we'll see. I got to leave it there, Ap Dylan,
I appreciate you joining us. As always. You can read
her work at North State Journal that's nsjonline dot com
and subscribe to her sub stack publication called More to
the Story. AP. Thanks so much, Thank you, Pete. Take care.
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Thanks again to ap Dylan for joining us as she
does every Monday at two o'clock and we chat about
the news and such, which, yeah, like I kind of
feel like we already we already did all of this
on the Roy Cooper thing, right, I mean, I know
it's the campaign's just starting and all, but we covered
this last week, and I mean, I'm glad AP like
listed those things. I gotta keep this. I'm gonna have to.
I'm gonna have to make a list of all of
the of all of the weaknesses of Roy Cooper Roy Cooper,
and that's one right there. Like now we're all confused
about how to pronounce his last name. Guy's been in
public office for like forty years and uh like career politician.
And then a year ago maybe two Wira l I
think it was, or maybe it was the McClatchy papers,
they did this whole big story about how do you
pronounce Cooper? Like I didn't realize there was a different
way to pronounce it it's Cooper or Cooper, but not
really Cooper something like that. Anyway, my good friend Ray,
and I call him that because that's what Hillary called
him when she campaigned for him in twenty sixteen. She
came to North Carolina. They traded endorsements and such and oh,
my good friend Ray Cooper, well nine do Elinedray go back.
You know, Gosh idged a bullet on that one. So
also we got the new facial hair approach. Uh, this
is one of they. So Democrats are going to win
back some mail voters by apparently growing facial I am
reminded of the Steve Buscemi scene where he approaches some
high schoolers and he is obviously like fifty years old,
but he's dressed like a skater kid and he's like, hello,
fellow high school students. Like that's what That's the image
I'm getting of this operation facial hair effort. But there's
also a gender gap. Women are becoming Democrats, men are
becoming Republicans. I'm sure nothing bad will happen to our
entire civilization at this rate. So there's a Gallup poll
on that. I will get to this after the news. Also,
I have purposefully not watched Roy Cooper's Senate announcement video.
I am going to watch it after the news when
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of my good friend ray former North Carolina Governor Roy Cooper.
I've not watched it yet, so this will aside from
the one SoundBite that I've heard in our newscast, it
will all be new to me. I don't know what
he says in all of this is only like two minutes.
All right, So here's here's the let me make sure
that's on. Okay, good, here's the clips, say.
Speaker 4: Governor Cooper.
Speaker 3: Yeah, why do you support men being able to play
women's sports? Can you let me, Governor Cooper? Why do
you support men being able to play women's sports?
Speaker 1: He's getting into the back of the Governor.
Speaker 3: Cooper, could you please answer the question? God nice, Governor Cooper,
are there are more than two genders?
Speaker 1: Sorry? Sorry, that was not his announcement. That was the
video of him at Harvard. Somebody went up to him
with a with a cell phone video recording and asked
him those questions and then he ran from them. And
he it was funny too, because he went like there
was a car. I guess an uber was picking him up,
and he goes to get into the back of the uber,
but it's locked, and that's when he's like, can you
open the can you open the door? And then the
guy pops the locks and Cooper then gets in, and
then there's a woman who jumps in, so he has
to move his seat over, but he didn't even let
her go in first, like he just didn't want to
answer the question. You're gonna have to figure an answer
out to that question, Guvnor. I suspect it might come
up in this campaign for US Senate. Okay, here's the
actual video. It's two minutes and twenty eight seconds. He
sent out a tweet with the video. It's just him
wearing a blue blazer with a light blue collared shirt,
no tie, and he's just staring straight at the at
the camera and he says, I have, oh, look at that.
His picture on his Twitter avatar is from this clip.
He's wearing the same it's the same shot, so they
updated his avatar. He says, I have thought on it
and prayed about it, and I have decided I am
running to be the next US Senator from North Carolina.
And here's the statement.
Speaker 4: It wasn't always a hard because being in the middle class.
Speaker 1: Minute, hang on a second, is this the beginning? Oh wait,
maybe I'll skip ahead. Let me see zero zero go.
Speaker 5: It wasn't always a hard because being in the middle
class meant something. You could afford a home, your kids
went to good schools, your job paid enough to cover
the basics, and most summers you could get away for
a few days.
Speaker 4: For the most part, life was pretty good.
Speaker 5: I'm Roy Cooper, and I know that today for too
many Americans, the middle class feels like a distant dream. Meanwhile,
the biggest corporations and the richest Americans have grabbed unimaginable
wealth at your expense.
Speaker 1: Oh nice, Okay, good, so he's going full on class.
Are fair, nicely done? I knew. See m gosh, he's
gonna you're you're going to bring back the middle class.
You are going to do this, and I'm sure you're
going to cite all of the balanced budgets and the
economic growth and that North Carolina has experienced, and like
the boom that this state has enjoyed, largely due to
the Republican legislature. Mmmm, I don't know. Why I expected it.
I don't know why. I don't know why I expected
anything different. He just he this is the thing, Like
he comes across as this folksy, charming you know, uncle Ray,
kind of a character or as a producer. Nick, do
you want to do your you want to do your
your impression. You got to turn your mic on. You
gotta turn your mic on. Yeah, turn your mic on.
Speaker 2: You're a great Thank you for that.
Speaker 1: All right. So here's so here's Nick's impression of my
good friend Ray. Just a simple country law. There you go.
That's the image that this guy presents himself as. And
it's so to me, transparently fake. It's like this guy
is a political animal and we've documented an ap Dylan
mentioned it. You know, he targeted his own fellow Democrats,
like he drops the hammer on people like this all
the time. Anyway, all right, let's go back to the video.
I'll try to let it play along, all right, no promises.
Speaker 5: Actually it's time for that to change. I grew up
in Nash County, working on the farm every summer. My
mom was a public school teacher, my dad a small
town lawyer and farmer. It's where I started my family
taught Sunday school for years and started my law practice
that helped everyday people in small businesses. When you made
me your attorney general, I prosecuted criminals.
Speaker 1: He skip over your whole terms in the in the
House or Senate, Like, why'd you This dude is a
career politician, he was in the legislature, he was a
Senate leader, like, and then he became attorney general. Why'd
you skip over all of that? Is it? All the
gerrymandered maps? Is that why you're a little embarrassed about
all the gerrymandering that you did when you were in
the legislature, got sued every single year over crazy drawn districts. Anyway,
now it says I'm running for your senate.
Speaker 5: And took on scammers, big banks, and drug companies. When
you made me your governor, we balanced the state budget
every year.
Speaker 1: You have to do that by law. You have to
have a balanced budget. It is the law every state does.
This is so absurd, Like you don't get to print
money like the federal government does. You're touting balanced budgets.
You vetoed every budget. You vetoed every one of the
accept the very last one. Your final term or final
year in office. You signed that one because I had
the Medicaid expansion in it. Right, Come on, Roy, you
held teacher pay raises hostage, like as part of your
your budget maneuvering. Just this guy, Oh, it's just terrible.
All right, we'll pick it up again.
Speaker 5: And worked with Republicans to raise teacher pay. Oh I
recruited thousands of better paying jobs and expand Medicaid to
more than six hundred and fifty thousand working North Carolinians.
Speaker 1: You didn't, Okay, you did not do that. The Republicans
did that on their own. They flipped. They they are
the ones that did that. You were along for the ride.
You didn't pressure Republicans into doing that. They found out
a way to offload the costs onto the federal governm
and then they expanded it. I opposed it, but oh
I worked with him to give teacher pay raises. You
literally vetoed all of their pay raises. You always said
it was never enough. You wanted to give him bigger
pay raises, so you would veto budgets. And now you're
claiming that you worked with Republicans on teacher pay raises.
Just shameless.
Speaker 5: But right now, our country's facing a moment as fragilous
any I can remember, and the decisions we make in
the next election will determine if we even have a
middle class in America anymore.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. So there's your catastrophizing right, there's your
doomsday pitch. You gotta panic people. There's gonna be no
middle class. Like if Roy Cooper doesn't win in twenty
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still got a minute of this thing. Yeah, there is
some production. It's not the whole video of Roy Cooper.
He's not I mean, he is staring at the camera
and he's you know, delivering his his script. But when
you know he's like when I was Attorney General, they're
like showing his you know, old video and pictures of
him doing stuff, you know, walking with cops. You know.
I am unclear. Yeah, I got some some movement on
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There would be this is from Steve in China Grove. Whoa,
whoa China Grove, Pete. There would be a benefit if
our friend Ray is the next senator, he would at
least be more conservative than his predecessor Tom Tillis, Audios Tom,
that's from he asked. He asked for the rim shot.
I don't know. Andy says, we actually did have a
much better middle class before all of the policies, all
of the policies of the Democrats made the middle class
shoulder load for people who don't work. And I think
that might need to be edited. Didn't our Cooper teach
at one ivy League school? Yeah, he's up in Harvard.
He was up in Harvard on like one of these
little scholarship programs that they give democrats after they are
out of office and you know, need a soft landing
pad with a lot of money just to tie them
over till the next run. So, yeah, he was up
at Harvard. Didn't he receive a salary? And does that
not increase the cost of tuition? How is that helping
the middle class? Major dumbassery help. The spelling is correct,
it is Brian from Fort Mill. And Andy also said,
why did say that our best days are ahead of
us and then turn around and say that the middle
class used to be so much better and so much
more wealthier. Yeah, and actually there is this bifurcation, but
it's you've got a lot more people that are making
more money. We have a larger wealthier population. Now anyway,
all right, let's go back. I got to finish playing
this thing. Just it's like medicine. I gotta take it.
I gotta watch it. It's it's you know, it's news.
All right. So here's the second half of Roy Cooper's
announcement video.
Speaker 4: I never really wanted to go to Washington.
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh, you don't have to. You don't have to.
Nobody's making you go to Washington. Oh. I Like I
heard Nancy Mace, the quote of hers that's on the
newscast when she's like, I'm for I'm going to be
forced to run for governor. Like, no, no, no one's
forcing you to run for governor. No one's forcing you
to run for Senate. He's like, oh, I didn't want
to go to Washington, Well, then don't don't go to Washington.
Oh no, no, But it's a sacrifice I'm sure that
he will make for us.
Speaker 5: I just wanted to serve the people of North Carolina,
right here where I've lived all my life. I knew
it that these are not ordinary times. Politicians in DC
are running up our debt, ripping away our healthcare, disrespecting
our veterans. If I'm cutting health for the poor and
even putting Medicare and social Security at ah.
Speaker 1: There we got. You gotta throw in the good. They're
coming for your social Security, they're coming for your medicare.
Always got to throw that in there. I mean, he
is a Democrat. This is just all boilerplate, bumper sticker stuff,
you know. But he says it with a smile and
that folksy accent, that slow, lilting droll, so you can
trust him. His hair does look good, though, I will
say that he's got good hair.
Speaker 4: Just to give tax breaks to billionaires. That's wrong. And
I've had enough.
Speaker 5: Oh I've thought on it and prayed about it, and
I've decided I want to serve as your next United
States Senator because even now, I still believe our best
days are ahead of us. I love North Carolina, and
I know you do too. I need you to be
with us, and I can't wait to see you out there.
Speaker 1: And then it just as Roy Cooper for North Carolina,
Roy Coop paid for by Cooper for North Carolin. There
you go, that's it. That's the end, all right, we
made it. Oh my gosh, I just I feel like
I'm going to be really annoyed this campaign season. Just
I just feel like that I mentioned some polling. I
got to pay this off because I mentioned it. The
gender gap in the country is widening and is especially
stark among the younger set. David Strom at hot air
dot com as this linked up. As women have taken
the lead in college attendance, pay and all sorts of
measures of well being, they have grown to despise men
more and more, and the male backlass just keeps growing.
Democrats are the party that booted David Hogg out of
his elected position because he was a heterosexual, white dude.
And this is a Gallup poll that Strom is talking about,
and it's this widening gap, this separation of the sexes
more pronounced among the younger people. Gen Z women and
gen Z men have the widest gap between them. Men
moving right and also becoming happier by the way, women
moving left and they become unhappier. Young women have rates
of depression three times higher than young men. And then
they are blaming men, which is such a woman thing
to do. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding.
Leftism is toxic for nearly everybody except the technocratic elite
who are selling it to great profit. Yeah, most young
men aren't buying what the Democrats are selling. And it
doesn't matter if you've got facial hair or not when
you're trying to sell us this stuff. Right, I know
that they think this might be this might be the key.
They're gonna say y'all a lot like this is the
North Carolina Democrat Party chair Anderson Clayton's thing is like
say y'all all the time costs a bunch. Make sure
you use a bunch of bad words. Shows you're fighting,
maybe get yourself arrested at like an ice event or something.
And now facial hair sounds like the Democrats are are
well strategized for the upcoming election. All right, that'll do
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