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<v Speaker 1>You are listening to Video Games to the Max.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello, and welcome to another edition of Video Games to

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<v Speaker 2>the Max. I am your host Sean Germer. Here with

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<v Speaker 2>me today is Randy isbel.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm here so that guess what we're going to talk about.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, we're going to talk about a lot of bad news,

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<v Speaker 2>apparently so as Randy always gets the crappy deal of layoffs,

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<v Speaker 2>layoffs and big layoffs, this time with Bungeee laying off

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<v Speaker 2>people possibly restructuring more under something than they were for

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<v Speaker 2>losing their autonomy, possibly as well losing a game they

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<v Speaker 2>were making. Game Informer also close, which is bad news

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<v Speaker 2>on the other side of things, close to the mass

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<v Speaker 2>side of things. And Sue, he's just in a different department,

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<v Speaker 2>and we do have games, but we both played Supermarket

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<v Speaker 2>Simulator and we're both hooked on it, so at least

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<v Speaker 2>we have a game to talk about that. It's not

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<v Speaker 2>that more Eer Cars twenty five stuff about Xbox consoles.

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<v Speaker 2>What's new with that? Or I guess what's old with

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<v Speaker 2>that because it's the same same thing every time. But

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<v Speaker 2>we'll get into all that stuff and more. You are

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<v Speaker 2>listening to Video Games to the Max, all right, Well,

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<v Speaker 2>let's go ahead and get this stuff out of the

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<v Speaker 2>way here and do the housekeeping. If this is your

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<v Speaker 2>first time listening, one hundred time listening, we do appreciate

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<v Speaker 2>you just letting you know. Mark is not here because

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<v Speaker 2>he had to go a last minute go help his

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<v Speaker 2>mom with stuff, and she lives kind of away. So

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<v Speaker 2>Randy is nice enough to you know, cover and fill

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<v Speaker 2>in here and you, of course, you can always check

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<v Speaker 2>him out and sometimes me and a few of our

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<v Speaker 2>other friends over at Bad Brackets. So go watch Randy

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<v Speaker 2>on YouTube, Go subscribe over there. It's a really fun show.

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<v Speaker 2>If you like March Madness. You don't have to like sports.

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<v Speaker 2>We've done a lot of video game ones over there

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<v Speaker 2>or anything. Really, they've done all kinds of things.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, we try to mix it up with whether it's

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<v Speaker 1>food or TV or sports or video games. We debate

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<v Speaker 1>at all and in the end it's just everyone gets

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<v Speaker 1>mad at me at first, and then they get mad

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<v Speaker 1>at each other throughout the show and they forget I exist.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, Yeah, it's fun just seeing folks just get mad

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<v Speaker 2>at each other and then get mad at Randy because

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<v Speaker 2>he picked the thing that and everybody man so.

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<v Speaker 1>Number Olympics was the one that just came out today. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I have another version of that episode if the way

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<v Speaker 1>of the world loosens back up and people don't get

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<v Speaker 1>so upset about edgy jokes because Robert Taylor had some

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<v Speaker 1>singers that I had to cut. Let's just say that

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<v Speaker 1>episode is about twice as long because we got into

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<v Speaker 1>some hilarious conversations that are not okay.

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<v Speaker 2>To but oh whoa, there you go, definitely gotta go.

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<v Speaker 2>Maybe check it out for the juicy stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Right.

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<v Speaker 2>So, Also, if you subscribe to the on our side

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<v Speaker 2>of things, the day to network, you will not only

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<v Speaker 2>get what we do here with the video games, which

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<v Speaker 2>definitely you know you should watch for the video game stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>but if you prefer your anime, we got you covered

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<v Speaker 2>there with it taking cafe pretty much anything involving the

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<v Speaker 2>new anime stuff or news with anime or whatever, they

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<v Speaker 2>will cover it and you'll get your fill there with that.

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<v Speaker 2>And also on the movies Entertainment TV side, rather than

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<v Speaker 2>you're broadcasting your great over there, they got their Deadpool

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<v Speaker 2>Overene review, which I did see that last week and

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<v Speaker 2>it's great. Not going to go much further into that,

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<v Speaker 2>and then they've got other reviews as well for things

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<v Speaker 2>pretty much anytime there's a new movie that comes out,

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<v Speaker 2>that's a fair note, they have the review out the

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<v Speaker 2>next week, so definitely want to go check them out

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<v Speaker 2>for that kind of thing. But all right, that's enough

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<v Speaker 2>with the promoting. Let's go into Oh you also listen

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<v Speaker 2>on podcasts. Shout also mentioned that as well. If you

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<v Speaker 2>don't like watching on video and there's still so many

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<v Speaker 2>all dinosaurs that are stuck on don't want to get

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<v Speaker 2>on YouTube and watch the thing, you can listen on podcasts, which,

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<v Speaker 2>you know what, I bought premium because I got tired

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<v Speaker 2>of the ads and also it's a better music service

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<v Speaker 2>than Spotify for like the same price. You can get

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<v Speaker 2>everything Spotify has plus YouTube Premium. It's like a steal basically,

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, I got that. So I it's it's a

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<v Speaker 2>podcast thing for me too, not just a video thing now,

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<v Speaker 2>but I get you know, thirteen dollars is not cheap

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<v Speaker 2>everybody at this point. So moving on here, let's start

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<v Speaker 2>with some like good stuff first. Let's like get into

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<v Speaker 2>the like, you know, sad stuff in a little bit,

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<v Speaker 2>because there's funny of that in this episode, and I

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<v Speaker 2>know some of y'all watch them, probably want to hear

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<v Speaker 2>us talk about the bunch of stuff. But let's get

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<v Speaker 2>into the cool, the nice stuff here just really quick

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<v Speaker 2>before we get into our games. We're talking about if

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<v Speaker 2>you want some free games or if you have PESGM plus,

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<v Speaker 2>I guess you keep being subscribed. Starting tomorrow or August sixth,

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<v Speaker 2>whenever you're listening to this, you can go pick up Lego,

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<v Speaker 2>Star Wars, sky Wars, Skywalker Saga, five Nights of Freddy's

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<v Speaker 2>Security Breach was isn't that? I think that was like

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<v Speaker 2>last year, not sure the year before and also the

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<v Speaker 2>year before a couple of years ago. A game I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if you played yet, Rainy, but it's up

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<v Speaker 2>your alleye. It's a metro Vina ander Lily's Quietest of

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<v Speaker 2>the Nights. You can check that out as well. It's

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<v Speaker 2>a pretty good indie Metrovania. And they're making a second

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<v Speaker 2>one also, so it must have done decently enough to

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<v Speaker 2>warnt a second game. So those are available as of

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<v Speaker 2>August sixth, and of course get your the ones from

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<v Speaker 2>last month. Have you haven't gotten them yet before that ends?

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<v Speaker 2>So let's talk about games we've been playing here, both

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<v Speaker 2>of us so this game came out, it's in on

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<v Speaker 2>the access. To be fair, it's only on Steam. It

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<v Speaker 2>was on the phones originally, and I think once they

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<v Speaker 2>put it on all the access on Steam, they removed

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<v Speaker 2>it from the phone in order to get he put

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<v Speaker 2>it by it on Steam. I'm assuming thirteen dollars Swain

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<v Speaker 2>not that bad. Honestly, go get you know, like I said,

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<v Speaker 2>a subscription for one of those treatment services for a month.

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<v Speaker 2>You get a Supermarket Simulator, probably much more fun. So

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<v Speaker 2>you're the one that got me hooked on this. I'm

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<v Speaker 2>saying anything else, you know, And I know we don't see,

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<v Speaker 2>but that's what happened to work with my laptop and

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<v Speaker 2>worked decently. So I'll like, okay, let's let's stick with

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<v Speaker 2>this year. So what made you want to play the game?

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<v Speaker 2>And then like, what's your experience with it so far?

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<v Speaker 1>Honestly, I don't watch like Marketplayer or those kind of

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<v Speaker 1>streamers as much anymore. I mean, obviously I try to

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<v Speaker 1>support them here and there and and kind of watch

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<v Speaker 1>videos from time to time, and sometimes I'll just play

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<v Speaker 1>a series that catches my eye. And Supermarket Simulator I

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<v Speaker 1>started playing a week or maybe a couple more weeks

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<v Speaker 1>than that. I watched it last week and just kind

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<v Speaker 1>of got hooked on all the craziness. I like all

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<v Speaker 1>of the weird management stuff that you have to do,

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<v Speaker 1>and those kind of games for whatever reason. Every so

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<v Speaker 1>often I'll get hooked on, like Powerwash Simulator absolutely got

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<v Speaker 1>me hooked last year, and obviously that game has been

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<v Speaker 1>out for a while. And there's just games that hooked

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<v Speaker 1>me for whatever reason. And I watched him do it,

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<v Speaker 1>and then I watched somebody who is way more advanced

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<v Speaker 1>do it and saw the potential of how wild this

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<v Speaker 1>game could get, and I went, all right, I have

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<v Speaker 1>to to try it out. I will say real quick. Yes,

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<v Speaker 1>it is only on Steam. There are copycats on PlayStation.

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<v Speaker 1>Luckily the reviews were so bad that I didn't get

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<v Speaker 1>tricked into buying them.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I saw that too. Be careful there on the phones.

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<v Speaker 2>There's also copycats to be careful to get the wrong one.

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<v Speaker 1>Like you said, it's an early access game and it

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<v Speaker 1>definitely has its bugs, especially if you have stalkers. They

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<v Speaker 1>seem to get stuck all the time. Best way I've

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<v Speaker 1>learned to fix that is just save and quit and

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<v Speaker 1>come back. Usually the next day they will will kind

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<v Speaker 1>of fix themselves or whatever. But there's a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>times where your stalker guy just gives up and just

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<v Speaker 1>hangs out in the warehouse because there's other ways to

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<v Speaker 1>fix it. But that's just the best way I've learned

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<v Speaker 1>how to do it. But no, it's just so much fun.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, I've gotten to the point where I don't

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<v Speaker 1>even have to do the cashier stuff. I still will

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<v Speaker 1>from time to time. It's kind of fun to do.

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<v Speaker 1>But it has so much more then you really think,

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<v Speaker 1>and they're just going to continue to add stuff to it.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a wonderful time waster game. If you would love

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<v Speaker 1>to listen to this show, or watch the show on

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<v Speaker 1>YouTube or any other podcast stuff, or watch a movie,

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<v Speaker 1>this is the perfect game just to kind of semi

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<v Speaker 1>focus on and just waste hours, which I don't have

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<v Speaker 1>that time to waste, but boy, have I found time.

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<v Speaker 1>I've given up sleep.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I've heard that it's not so it gets strenuous

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<v Speaker 2>when you get to like the later part where fully

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<v Speaker 2>expanded and all that stuff. Because I actually think I

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<v Speaker 2>saw some people that you can't you can't ever fully

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<v Speaker 2>automate it, right like, you can't you have to be

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<v Speaker 2>looking at it, you have to be doing something. So

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's what I saw some Ney book complaining

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<v Speaker 2>about the Like, I really do want it to be

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<v Speaker 2>like a game that I can kind of just press

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<v Speaker 2>a button and just watch it if I want to,

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<v Speaker 2>and watch a movie or whatever when it gets in

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<v Speaker 2>those later levels. But there's a lot of stuff going on,

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<v Speaker 2>But you're right about at the beginning, when you have

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<v Speaker 2>a small set of things to do, it is something

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<v Speaker 2>you can kind of like have something on in the

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<v Speaker 2>background and kind of like this, Okay, I'm going to

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<v Speaker 2>manage it. I'm going to do this. And uh, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know if it's going to get more realistic as

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<v Speaker 2>they keep adding things onto it, because like right now,

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<v Speaker 2>you can just hit the E button to close the

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<v Speaker 2>rightister and basically they're just sit there and they don't

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<v Speaker 2>ever seem to like leave. It doesn't matter what time

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<v Speaker 2>it is, right and you can go do other stuff

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<v Speaker 2>while you do that. You can also hit escape and

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<v Speaker 2>just hit and like just have it go on pause completely.

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<v Speaker 2>But the one thing I found interesting is that I

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<v Speaker 2>think right now, at least, I'm not sure if that's

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<v Speaker 2>something they're going to change later, but it doesn't seem

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<v Speaker 2>like even if you have like frozen stuff or freezer stuff,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, the stuff that goes on the fridge, like

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<v Speaker 2>it doesn't go bad if it sits there outside.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank God.

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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, thank god for that, because there's times where

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<v Speaker 2>I'm like, you know, like this is this will not

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<v Speaker 2>fit in here. I don't have another way to get

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<v Speaker 2>it to work. But it is. It's like a really

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<v Speaker 2>fun game. Like I'm not a big simulator person at all.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't play those kind of games, but this game

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<v Speaker 2>probably often because I have a lot of experience with

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<v Speaker 2>working in grocery store kind of thing too, so I

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<v Speaker 2>kind of like piqued my interest. But yeah, I just

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<v Speaker 2>found it fun. And it's something like I'm gradually like

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<v Speaker 2>I'm getting it even somebody doesn't play PC games. I

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<v Speaker 1>Mini games and yeah, it's it's just mindless fun. You

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<v Speaker 1>And again they're going to continue to add stuff to it. Again,

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<v Speaker 1>it's twelve thirteen dollars, so it's it doesn't break the

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<v Speaker 1>bank to give it a try. If this is kind

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<v Speaker 1>of up your alley. There's just those moments in this

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<v Speaker 1>game that I absolutely love where it's like I go

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<v Speaker 1>crazy on the stocking, like you upgrade the storage area

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<v Speaker 1>or whatever. You go crazy. You've got some money to blow,

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<v Speaker 1>and you're just like, all right, I'm gonna buy like

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<v Speaker 1>are just driving through them, and it's completely silly at

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<v Speaker 1>that point. That's always fun. I've gotten to the point

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<v Speaker 1>now where I have like toilet paper, and I joked

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<v Speaker 1>with a buddy of mine who's also hooked on this game.

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<v Speaker 1>Now that I swear this, I figured out where this

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<v Speaker 1>game chronologically lands, as far as if we're trying to

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<v Speaker 1>place it on a timeline, and this is March twenty twenty,

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<v Speaker 1>it's right before COVID and everyone's freaking out about toilet paper.

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<v Speaker 1>I cannot keep toilet paper stocked. It takes up a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of room, and it seems like every time I

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<v Speaker 1>feel like all right, I have a ton in storage,

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<v Speaker 1>I look over and everything's empty. Like just toilet paper

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<v Speaker 1>gets bought. But it's fun. It's just a silly game.

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<v Speaker 1>It will not end up on a lot of game

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<v Speaker 1>of the Year lists, but it's going to end up

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<v Speaker 1>probably is one of my top played gamer hour wie.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it is. It does seem to be like

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<v Speaker 2>the streamer game. Yeah right now, like you said, so,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean that's probably I would say helping it at

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<v Speaker 2>this point. And I mean that's that's cool too, if

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<v Speaker 2>you can get any kind of traction that way. Another

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<v Speaker 2>thing too, is like I have to I feel like

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<v Speaker 2>I had to go in and research like how much

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<v Speaker 2>convenience stores usually overpriced things so I can start making

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<v Speaker 2>money because I was like, I'm gonna try to be

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<v Speaker 2>like price constants to be nice to the people, and like, yo,

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<v Speaker 2>every day is like a struggle to just order something.

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<v Speaker 2>And I'm like, you know what, forget, this is not

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<v Speaker 2>a real game. Start, you know with jacking up stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>And so you know, it's a fun like just being

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<v Speaker 2>to play and you know, do it on your own

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<v Speaker 2>time for that so sure, well I know you also

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<v Speaker 2>played a game that you know, I've talked about a

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<v Speaker 2>few time on here Awa the last couple of weeks

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<v Speaker 2>called so well it's twenty five. You had a few

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<v Speaker 2>things you didn't think it was, You didn't rate it

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<v Speaker 2>as highly as idea, you had more problems with it.

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<v Speaker 2>So why do you think it's not as a it's

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<v Speaker 2>not a great gasee that it is a good game.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a good game. It's but it feels great because

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<v Speaker 1>we haven't had it in eleven years. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>that that's the deal. And I will not say, ea,

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<v Speaker 1>cut corners. But there's a lot more Madden in this

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<v Speaker 1>than I think a lot of people want to admit to.

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<v Speaker 1>The gameplay is very Madenesque in ways. I think it

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<v Speaker 1>helps that everything's spread out. Obviously in college football the

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<v Speaker 1>hash marks are spread out, more so the players are

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<v Speaker 1>spread out. I do love always store that people are like,

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<v Speaker 1>oh my god, the offensive line is switch cheese. Well

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<v Speaker 1>it's supposed to be. These are college kids. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>going to be fantastic. That's not a gameplay issue. A

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<v Speaker 1>skill level difference between college and pros. To me, that's fine.

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<v Speaker 1>But I just feel like this is a good start.

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<v Speaker 1>If they can continue to build and focus on the

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<v Speaker 1>things that matter and not the stupid ultimate team stuff

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<v Speaker 1>which they half asked. Thank god. It was like they

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<v Speaker 1>throw it in because you have to throw it into

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<v Speaker 1>a sports game these days. But it didn't seem like

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<v Speaker 1>they put a lot of effort into it. But as

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<v Speaker 1>long as they focus on road to Road to Glory

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<v Speaker 1>and the franchise modes and continue to tweak recruiting a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit and continue to get some get the FCS

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<v Speaker 1>teams in there would be fantastic. As somebody that covers

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<v Speaker 1>an FCS team for my actual job, it would be

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<v Speaker 1>nice to be able to have those teams back in

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<v Speaker 1>like they used to. But you can't ask for everything

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<v Speaker 1>on the first go around. So that's where I'm at.

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<v Speaker 1>I'm having a lot of fun. I'm still playing the game.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't play it online because I don't want to

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<v Speaker 1>get murdered. I'm not that good, But I just feel

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<v Speaker 1>like this was a good start and if everybody just

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<v Speaker 1>goes crazy about it and goes, oh my god, this

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<v Speaker 1>is amazing, then this is the level of gameplay you're

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<v Speaker 1>going to get the rest of time. EA is going

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<v Speaker 1>to go all right, this is it cool? Let's now

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<v Speaker 1>prioritize Ultimate Team and make all of the money. And

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<v Speaker 1>there are definitely tweaks gameplay wise franchise wise. I would

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<v Speaker 1>like to see some more iteration into the Road to

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<v Speaker 1>Glory stuff with the non field stuff, to make that

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit more interesting outside of the training and stuff.

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<v Speaker 1>Just I remember the old games where we actually had

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<v Speaker 1>to take silly quizzes to work on the GPA instead

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<v Speaker 1>of hit stuff. So there's different goofy things that they

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<v Speaker 1>can do. This is nowhere near a bad game. I

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<v Speaker 1>just me personally played it and went so glad it's back.

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<v Speaker 1>I can't wait for three years when it's really really

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<v Speaker 1>good hopefully.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's the thing is you're buying. You're buying this

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<v Speaker 2>out a nostalagia of not having to have this game

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<v Speaker 2>in a while. I mean, it is still cool that

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<v Speaker 2>they got all one hundred and thirty four FBS schools

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<v Speaker 2>in here. You know, I thought there was going to

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<v Speaker 2>be schools missing. I thought they were going to do

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<v Speaker 2>something like what you see with the Eya Sports FC,

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<v Speaker 2>where some of the stools won't won't those sign deals

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<v Speaker 2>for something else, so they're gonna be called something else

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<v Speaker 2>that they're even in the game at all, so you

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<v Speaker 2>know the fact that they got them all in there,

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<v Speaker 2>they got the nil stuff in there, they got the

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<v Speaker 2>naming stuff in there. I think it also hurts that

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<v Speaker 2>Team Builder is not what it used to be, right,

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<v Speaker 2>where you can't completely just make a team and change

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<v Speaker 2>whatever you want on it and all that stuff. But

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<v Speaker 2>there's a lot of people complaining about that that you

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<v Speaker 2>can't you can't add in the rosters, you can't export

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<v Speaker 2>them to Madden, so that that.

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<v Speaker 1>Hurts a lot of that. I know you've talked about

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<v Speaker 1>it on the show over the last couple of weeks

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<v Speaker 1>as well. A lot of that is Nio based. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>there are concessions you have to make, right with the

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<v Speaker 1>way that everything works now to even have this kind

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<v Speaker 1>of game. Yeah, so yes, you cannot import rosters because

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<v Speaker 1>the whole point was is players would get upset because

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<v Speaker 1>they were in this game but not getting paid. So

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<v Speaker 1>there are players out there that said, no, I don't

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<v Speaker 1>want my six hundred dollars, do not put me in

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<v Speaker 1>your game. And then people will go in there and

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<v Speaker 1>put the name in and go look, ea, put them

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<v Speaker 1>in the game, and then you have so that kind

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<v Speaker 1>of stuff doesn't bother me. It would be cool to

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<v Speaker 1>be able to import to Madden, but then do you

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<v Speaker 1>have to pay them twice because they could possibly be

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<v Speaker 1>both in the NCAA game and the Madden game, so

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<v Speaker 1>financially that could be an issue as well. So there

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<v Speaker 1>are things that we just have to go. You know what,

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<v Speaker 1>this is not going to be how it was in

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<v Speaker 1>twenty fourteen. And everything's fine as far as Team Builder,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a lot like the Franchise mode and Road to Glory.

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<v Speaker 1>It's fine for now. Everyone that's that's super upset needs

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<v Speaker 1>to calm down because at least to have it and

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<v Speaker 1>now they can build off of it for the next

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<v Speaker 1>couple of years. But it is not one hundred percent perfect,

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<v Speaker 1>and hopefully EA does not just go all right. It's there,

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<v Speaker 1>so the same thing I think the biggest issue I've had,

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<v Speaker 1>and again it's just talking out of both sides of

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<v Speaker 1>my mouth, because it's something they now have the base

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<v Speaker 1>forward now they can grow commentary's garbage. Commentary is so

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<v Speaker 1>bad because all they've been able to do is record

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<v Speaker 1>the basic stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>Now that they have a lot of the Ree Davis

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<v Speaker 2>team is way better than the Street team or whatever.

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<v Speaker 1>But but the main thing is they've only been I mean,

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<v Speaker 1>the amount of lines you have to record just to

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<v Speaker 1>have the basic lines down is insane. So in a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of years they won't have to go back and

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<v Speaker 1>record most of them. Right there, they're now set, and

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<v Speaker 1>now you can start getting into the the little one

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<v Speaker 1>liners that they put in there about my thing is

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<v Speaker 1>the same thing. I play m WIB the show all

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<v Speaker 1>the time, and once you've played it for a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of games, you're like, all right, the commentary can go

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<v Speaker 1>on mute because it's basically the same stuff. But it's

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<v Speaker 1>like it's literally one line for every school, Like it

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<v Speaker 1>starts show, Oh look at the Patrick's ree, look at

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<v Speaker 1>this school. It's great. The very next game is exact same.

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<v Speaker 2>So oh yeah, there's not a lot of change in

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<v Speaker 2>any of that stuff either.

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<v Speaker 1>So hopefully over the next couple of years they can

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<v Speaker 1>build off this commentary stuff and have more dynamic differences

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<v Speaker 1>in those But again, it's it's a great start, but

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<v Speaker 1>it's just a good football game. But I'm I'm with you,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm so glad it's back. Hopefully they take a couple

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<v Speaker 1>of steps forward next year and.

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<v Speaker 2>We go from there and it is fun most to play.

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<v Speaker 2>I never have a you know, not fun time with

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<v Speaker 2>that game that they nailed the gameplay and that was

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<v Speaker 2>the most important party.

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<v Speaker 1>As long as you don't take that seriously. There are

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<v Speaker 1>some weird ass things that happened in that game. I've

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<v Speaker 1>had some weird tips that go crazy. Your players do

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<v Speaker 1>some weird stuff. As long as you just go at

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<v Speaker 1>a video game. I'm not doing this for a job. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a lot of fun.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, pursuit angles definitely need to get who like, I

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<v Speaker 2>don't know, I mean, yeah, I get it. It's college.

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<v Speaker 2>They really should feel like we're gonna have a big

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<v Speaker 2>play all the time. But sometimes I'm just like, dude,

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<v Speaker 2>really you couldn't catch up to them. You're right there.

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<v Speaker 1>The amount of bo Jackson clips I've seen online. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>run from end zone to end zone because everyone the

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<v Speaker 1>pursuit angles are broken. But again, as long as you're

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<v Speaker 1>having fun, I don't.

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<v Speaker 2>Care exactly, that's the point anything else you've you play

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<v Speaker 2>anything else.

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<v Speaker 1>And honestly, nothing other than I'm gonna be the show,

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<v Speaker 1>which we don't need to talk about. Because I continue

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<v Speaker 1>to play that. It's really been a dry period, not

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<v Speaker 1>because I mean obviously that the list of games are

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<v Speaker 1>not way up there of the must play games, but

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<v Speaker 1>even the ones that are kind of must play, I

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<v Speaker 1>just I'm kind of in a transition personally. We just

419
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<v Speaker 1>bought a house, just got married, just got a new job,

420
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<v Speaker 1>so a lot of the free time has been working

421
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<v Speaker 1>outside and in our backyard, and it's just it's one

422
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<v Speaker 1>of those things, not to say I don't want to

423
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<v Speaker 1>play some of these games that have come out, but

424
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<v Speaker 1>it's just that you get into the those time periods

425
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<v Speaker 1>or whatever or stages in your life, or you sit

426
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<v Speaker 1>down and you go, all right, I don't want to

427
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<v Speaker 1>play a game, and you just go to the comfort food,

428
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<v Speaker 1>which right now for me is and will be the show.

429
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<v Speaker 1>It's it's college football, now it's Supermarket Simulator. It's like

430
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<v Speaker 1>I'm still playing as many like putting in the same

431
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<v Speaker 1>amount of time in video games. But it's not I

432
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<v Speaker 1>don't want to dive into a story. I don't want

433
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<v Speaker 1>to get into something like there's been so many games

434
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<v Speaker 1>I've downloaded, like all right, I'm gonna get into this

435
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<v Speaker 1>and then I sit down and go or I could

436
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<v Speaker 1>just play a game.

437
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<v Speaker 2>So yeah, it's like either well, sometimes you only got

438
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<v Speaker 2>that like one hour and you're like, oh, I don't

439
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<v Speaker 2>want to really start this thing. And then when I

440
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<v Speaker 2>if I get hooked, I can't keep playing, and U like,

441
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<v Speaker 2>you know, every time I hear a review of it's

442
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<v Speaker 2>I mentioned because it's on game Best Knittsugami Path of

443
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<v Speaker 2>the God. That's a game that I think a lot

444
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<v Speaker 2>of people didn't think much of. They thought it was

445
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<v Speaker 2>just like the thing that Cap gone through a bone

446
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<v Speaker 2>to that. Oh it's it's uh, you know, the indie

447
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<v Speaker 2>type of thing that Cacom did, and they put it

448
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<v Speaker 2>on game Pass knowing it wasn't going to do well,

449
00:23:03.559 --> 00:23:05.839
<v Speaker 2>and it's like it's the thing that's been talked about

450
00:23:06.000 --> 00:23:08.480
<v Speaker 2>constantly as the like, oh, this is the game you

451
00:23:08.519 --> 00:23:10.359
<v Speaker 2>need to play. It's on game Pass right now. You know,

452
00:23:10.480 --> 00:23:13.640
<v Speaker 2>over over flint Lock and the Dungeons of Hinderberg they

453
00:23:13.680 --> 00:23:16.279
<v Speaker 2>probably had a lot more press. So it's and I'm

454
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<v Speaker 2>sitting there going, Okay, I played the ny I liked it.

455
00:23:18.480 --> 00:23:20.680
<v Speaker 2>I want to start it, and I'm like, let me

456
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<v Speaker 2>go find something else because I don't want to get

457
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<v Speaker 2>into that and I know I'm going to be like

458
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<v Speaker 2>hours an hour. So but yeah, that's I think that's

459
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<v Speaker 2>going to do it for us, talking about the actual

460
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<v Speaker 2>games you played before we get into the the sour stuff.

461
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<v Speaker 2>One more h you know, I know you're a big

462
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<v Speaker 2>you're a big Star Wars fan, Randy. I mean, there's

463
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<v Speaker 2>a there's a game coming out at the end of

464
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<v Speaker 2>this month. It's it's been kind of highly you know,

465
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<v Speaker 2>big time hype. Star Wars Outlaws. They've now revealed the

466
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<v Speaker 2>DLC roadmap, and of course we already knew about the

467
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<v Speaker 2>the the one that it has the job of the

468
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<v Speaker 2>Hut DLC that you have you can only get if

469
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<v Speaker 2>you get the season pass or the premium version. Yeah.

470
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<v Speaker 2>I made everybody upset, which is understandable. You know, you

471
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<v Speaker 2>don't want things locked away in higher price tiers, but

472
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<v Speaker 2>they got to give you, I guess, a reason to

473
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<v Speaker 2>to go buy that. They've also, you know, just revealed

474
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<v Speaker 2>that there's gonna be other stuff in here. So it

475
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<v Speaker 2>looks like three pieces of DLC is what they've announced

476
00:24:22.920 --> 00:24:25.960
<v Speaker 2>so far, So like it's gonna be part of that

477
00:24:26.000 --> 00:24:30.079
<v Speaker 2>season pass. UH wild Card is the first one. They're

478
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<v Speaker 2>gonna get involved in some kind of tournament with Sabakh

479
00:24:33.359 --> 00:24:36.960
<v Speaker 2>when you cross paths with him and UH you know

480
00:24:36.960 --> 00:24:40.000
<v Speaker 2>you're gonna figure out what's going on with that Hunter's

481
00:24:40.079 --> 00:24:42.880
<v Speaker 2>legacy in the cars all of ronin you get a

482
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<v Speaker 2>bunch of cosmetic bundles along with This is the first

483
00:24:45.680 --> 00:24:47.960
<v Speaker 2>story expansion, so you know there's gonna be a story

484
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<v Speaker 2>expansion with with K and Crew and then the second

485
00:24:51.920 --> 00:24:57.240
<v Speaker 2>story expansion called Pirate's Fortune. So does that entice you

486
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<v Speaker 2>more that you know that you're gonna get more content

487
00:25:00.119 --> 00:25:03.880
<v Speaker 2>along with the base game or no kind of for me?

488
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<v Speaker 1>For me personally, no, I'm sure I've talked about it

489
00:25:07.359 --> 00:25:11.640
<v Speaker 1>on the show before, but me and DOOC don't get along.

490
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<v Speaker 1>So I have nothing against DC. It's good to have

491
00:25:15.000 --> 00:25:17.839
<v Speaker 1>to get the more longevity for your game, But the

492
00:25:17.839 --> 00:25:20.039
<v Speaker 1>amount of times where Adoc comes out and I go,

493
00:25:20.599 --> 00:25:22.519
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna get back into this and I just don't.

494
00:25:22.799 --> 00:25:26.920
<v Speaker 1>It's just so many times Adoc just goes off to

495
00:25:26.960 --> 00:25:29.240
<v Speaker 1>the wayside for me and I don't play it. So

496
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<v Speaker 1>it's great that they have a roadmap and they want

497
00:25:32.480 --> 00:25:35.039
<v Speaker 1>to continue to add to this, but for single player games,

498
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<v Speaker 1>it doesn't bother me either way. I just hope this

499
00:25:37.799 --> 00:25:42.240
<v Speaker 1>game is good. I know that more and more people

500
00:25:42.279 --> 00:25:45.359
<v Speaker 1>are getting more hands on time with it, which to

501
00:25:45.440 --> 00:25:48.880
<v Speaker 1>me always kind of shifts to a way of saying that,

502
00:25:49.279 --> 00:25:52.240
<v Speaker 1>you know, the developers really believe in their product and

503
00:25:52.279 --> 00:25:54.240
<v Speaker 1>they want to get it out there, and they're not

504
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<v Speaker 1>hiding it behind closed doors hoping that the review scores

505
00:25:58.039 --> 00:26:01.519
<v Speaker 1>don't come out before their game comes out. But this

506
00:26:01.680 --> 00:26:04.279
<v Speaker 1>is definitely on that edge of maybe this is the

507
00:26:04.319 --> 00:26:07.920
<v Speaker 1>game that gets me back out of my comfort game

508
00:26:08.039 --> 00:26:10.240
<v Speaker 1>zone and gets back into the story based games. There's

509
00:26:10.240 --> 00:26:12.759
<v Speaker 1>a couple others that are coming out here soon that

510
00:26:12.960 --> 00:26:16.319
<v Speaker 1>might also do that. But I have hopes for this game,

511
00:26:16.880 --> 00:26:20.960
<v Speaker 1>and hopefully the DLC will will will help build its

512
00:26:20.960 --> 00:26:23.640
<v Speaker 1>sales and stuff. But for me personally, I just I

513
00:26:23.759 --> 00:26:26.599
<v Speaker 1>know myself and I'll forget about these deals.

514
00:26:27.319 --> 00:26:30.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah I've already because it's an eb Soft game, and

515
00:26:30.400 --> 00:26:32.400
<v Speaker 2>because hey, you know what, they have this thing, they

516
00:26:32.400 --> 00:26:35.200
<v Speaker 2>want us to use it. They're not shy about telling

517
00:26:35.279 --> 00:26:37.599
<v Speaker 2>us that we should subscribe to it. I'm just gonna

518
00:26:37.920 --> 00:26:40.279
<v Speaker 2>get it on the one month of it on the

519
00:26:40.279 --> 00:26:43.200
<v Speaker 2>eub Soft Plus thing, just see how it goes if

520
00:26:43.240 --> 00:26:45.160
<v Speaker 2>I like it. Because you know, open world games with

521
00:26:45.319 --> 00:26:47.559
<v Speaker 2>me are kind of like hit and miss. Some of them.

522
00:26:47.599 --> 00:26:50.079
<v Speaker 2>I really like a lot of them. I don't, so

523
00:26:50.640 --> 00:26:52.720
<v Speaker 2>we'll see how it goes with this. Just because it's

524
00:26:52.720 --> 00:26:55.319
<v Speaker 2>Star Wars, I want to try it out. But yeah,

525
00:26:55.480 --> 00:26:57.400
<v Speaker 2>I'm hoping it's a good one too, because it's a

526
00:26:57.440 --> 00:27:00.519
<v Speaker 2>different Star Wars game. Right, it's not Jedi related, it's

527
00:27:00.599 --> 00:27:05.400
<v Speaker 2>not Battlefront or whatever. It's its own thing. And I

528
00:27:05.519 --> 00:27:07.319
<v Speaker 2>like the fact that they allowed them to have their

529
00:27:07.359 --> 00:27:10.200
<v Speaker 2>own kind of Star Wars game in that universe. But

530
00:27:10.319 --> 00:27:15.519
<v Speaker 2>all right, enough kind of avoiding the inevitable, I guess here,

531
00:27:16.039 --> 00:27:19.359
<v Speaker 2>let's start with the one that kind of probably affects

532
00:27:19.440 --> 00:27:22.799
<v Speaker 2>us more as gamers and also folks that do the

533
00:27:22.839 --> 00:27:26.880
<v Speaker 2>journalism side or have done it or do it, and

534
00:27:26.920 --> 00:27:31.039
<v Speaker 2>you know you do it with sports now A game Informer, Yeah,

535
00:27:31.079 --> 00:27:34.759
<v Speaker 2>after thirty three years, closes down a lot of folks

536
00:27:35.279 --> 00:27:37.680
<v Speaker 2>first kind of not ours. I think both of us

537
00:27:37.680 --> 00:27:39.640
<v Speaker 2>are in the generation where there's other ones like Nintendo

538
00:27:39.720 --> 00:27:44.240
<v Speaker 2>Power and EGM and that kind of thing. But beyond us,

539
00:27:44.720 --> 00:27:48.920
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people's first introduction to gaming magazines. What

540
00:27:49.000 --> 00:27:52.519
<v Speaker 2>it's like to have that like inspiration for gaming journalism.

541
00:27:53.200 --> 00:27:55.640
<v Speaker 2>I remember going to Game Stop and the first time

542
00:27:55.720 --> 00:27:58.559
<v Speaker 2>that was ever a thing of I snatched up that

543
00:27:58.640 --> 00:28:01.519
<v Speaker 2>pro card really fast because I wanted that gaming form magazine.

544
00:28:01.559 --> 00:28:02.920
<v Speaker 2>I wanted to be able to know us and to

545
00:28:02.960 --> 00:28:05.799
<v Speaker 2>get those twelve issues and read that stuff and know

546
00:28:06.640 --> 00:28:10.599
<v Speaker 2>whether it was any Macnamuare or further along all the

547
00:28:10.599 --> 00:28:13.119
<v Speaker 2>great writers and journalists that have come out of that publication.

548
00:28:13.200 --> 00:28:15.319
<v Speaker 2>And then, of course, obviously when websites are a bigger thing,

549
00:28:15.359 --> 00:28:17.319
<v Speaker 2>and they went on to do more about the website

550
00:28:17.319 --> 00:28:19.839
<v Speaker 2>than about the magazine. But it's amazing that all these

551
00:28:19.920 --> 00:28:22.279
<v Speaker 2>years they've kept the magazine around. They didn't just kill

552
00:28:22.319 --> 00:28:26.480
<v Speaker 2>it and make it all about the website. But I

553
00:28:26.559 --> 00:28:31.119
<v Speaker 2>was worried when they decided to unhook it from It's

554
00:28:31.119 --> 00:28:33.000
<v Speaker 2>not that it was unhooked from it, but they started

555
00:28:33.039 --> 00:28:34.640
<v Speaker 2>trying to promote their own thing of like, oh, you

556
00:28:34.680 --> 00:28:36.920
<v Speaker 2>don't have to be part of game Stop in order

557
00:28:36.960 --> 00:28:39.599
<v Speaker 2>to even though GameStop owns them, you don't have to

558
00:28:39.640 --> 00:28:42.200
<v Speaker 2>be part of the game Stop Pro card thing. You

559
00:28:42.240 --> 00:28:44.519
<v Speaker 2>can get it by itself. Which is funny because now

560
00:28:44.519 --> 00:28:48.799
<v Speaker 2>they're basically giving away that I went and bought a

561
00:28:49.079 --> 00:28:52.240
<v Speaker 2>I bought the Steam gift card with my because I

562
00:28:52.240 --> 00:28:55.000
<v Speaker 2>have a GameStop credit card. If you use the game

563
00:28:55.039 --> 00:28:58.880
<v Speaker 2>stock credit card to buy anything on online, they will

564
00:28:58.920 --> 00:29:02.279
<v Speaker 2>give away a pro subscription team. It used to be

565
00:29:02.440 --> 00:29:04.559
<v Speaker 2>that that was the real reason you were getting the

566
00:29:04.559 --> 00:29:06.960
<v Speaker 2>proscription was not only because of the discounts and all

567
00:29:06.960 --> 00:29:10.119
<v Speaker 2>that kind of stuff, It was Gaming Former, right, That's

568
00:29:10.160 --> 00:29:13.680
<v Speaker 2>that was the main draw. Then they unhooked it from that,

569
00:29:13.720 --> 00:29:16.200
<v Speaker 2>they made it its own thing, because you know, there's

570
00:29:16.200 --> 00:29:17.559
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people that didn't want to give game

571
00:29:17.599 --> 00:29:20.839
<v Speaker 2>Stop money, understandably, especially now that Ryan Cohen is being

572
00:29:20.920 --> 00:29:22.960
<v Speaker 2>he's the CEO, is being sued by bed Bath and

573
00:29:23.039 --> 00:29:27.400
<v Speaker 2>Beyond for inside of training so or well it be

574
00:29:27.480 --> 00:29:30.359
<v Speaker 2>by the government for for that whatever. But the whole

575
00:29:30.400 --> 00:29:34.640
<v Speaker 2>point is it's a terrible thing to see games Gamingformer

576
00:29:34.720 --> 00:29:38.119
<v Speaker 2>go down. Game stops still around, but like one of

577
00:29:38.160 --> 00:29:40.640
<v Speaker 2>the few nice things or good things you when you

578
00:29:40.680 --> 00:29:43.759
<v Speaker 2>associate the in game Stop was this and now it's gone.

579
00:29:43.799 --> 00:29:46.480
<v Speaker 2>Do you have any memories of having a game form

580
00:29:46.559 --> 00:29:47.400
<v Speaker 2>magazine at all.

581
00:29:47.440 --> 00:29:51.319
<v Speaker 1>Or not the physical magazine, Like I obviously I go

582
00:29:51.359 --> 00:29:53.519
<v Speaker 1>to the website and stuff, and that's where I know

583
00:29:53.599 --> 00:29:56.880
<v Speaker 1>gam Informer, But I obviously watching kind of Funny and

584
00:29:56.920 --> 00:30:01.480
<v Speaker 1>all these other podcasts talk about them getting shut down.

585
00:30:02.359 --> 00:30:06.400
<v Speaker 1>I went kind of through my whatever memory banks still

586
00:30:06.400 --> 00:30:09.960
<v Speaker 1>work in my old brain of getting game Informer, and

587
00:30:10.000 --> 00:30:14.119
<v Speaker 1>I honestly don't remember ever getting a physical copy of

588
00:30:14.119 --> 00:30:17.960
<v Speaker 1>that magazine. I was a Game Pro kid growing up,

589
00:30:18.359 --> 00:30:21.640
<v Speaker 1>and I'm sure I bought some Game Informers throughout the years,

590
00:30:21.720 --> 00:30:25.240
<v Speaker 1>just buying different things, just trying out different magazines, but

591
00:30:25.319 --> 00:30:28.960
<v Speaker 1>Game Pro when we were younger, and you know, physical

592
00:30:28.960 --> 00:30:32.039
<v Speaker 1>magazines were the thing that was more of my jam.

593
00:30:32.119 --> 00:30:35.160
<v Speaker 1>But the fact that it was still going around as

594
00:30:35.440 --> 00:30:39.799
<v Speaker 1>a physical release in some form for Game Stop was fantastic,

595
00:30:39.880 --> 00:30:43.480
<v Speaker 1>and it was just kind of holding on to our

596
00:30:44.240 --> 00:30:48.680
<v Speaker 1>childhood and having those physical magazines. And it was crazy

597
00:30:48.720 --> 00:30:51.440
<v Speaker 1>to hear when they were shutting down how small that

598
00:30:51.599 --> 00:30:54.480
<v Speaker 1>crew was that was putting all of that together on

599
00:30:54.559 --> 00:30:57.880
<v Speaker 1>top of all the internet stuff. So the fact that

600
00:30:57.960 --> 00:31:00.400
<v Speaker 1>you got to imagine how many hours a day put

601
00:31:00.480 --> 00:31:03.000
<v Speaker 1>in just to put in the best product that they can,

602
00:31:03.079 --> 00:31:06.680
<v Speaker 1>and you feel bad for them and hopefully they can

603
00:31:07.200 --> 00:31:08.920
<v Speaker 1>get back on their feet and stuff. But the thing

604
00:31:08.960 --> 00:31:13.000
<v Speaker 1>that surprises me more than anything is that they shut

605
00:31:13.039 --> 00:31:17.839
<v Speaker 1>everything down, Like I am not surprised that they shut

606
00:31:17.960 --> 00:31:21.559
<v Speaker 1>down the physical magazine portion, because yes, they were trying

607
00:31:21.599 --> 00:31:25.000
<v Speaker 1>everything they could with it being tied to Game Stop

608
00:31:25.039 --> 00:31:26.799
<v Speaker 1>and then not tied the Game Stop to try to

609
00:31:26.839 --> 00:31:30.319
<v Speaker 1>get it out to more people. Listen, physical media just

610
00:31:30.359 --> 00:31:34.119
<v Speaker 1>doesn't work anymore. I work in the newspaper business, all right,

611
00:31:34.200 --> 00:31:37.880
<v Speaker 1>There is a newspaper in our area that just shut

612
00:31:37.920 --> 00:31:41.519
<v Speaker 1>down last week, Right, it happens one of our sister

613
00:31:41.559 --> 00:31:45.240
<v Speaker 1>papers that we put together for another area just moved

614
00:31:45.240 --> 00:31:48.279
<v Speaker 1>to just two days a week of physical copies and

615
00:31:48.319 --> 00:31:51.680
<v Speaker 1>everything else is on like things are waning down on

616
00:31:52.319 --> 00:31:56.799
<v Speaker 1>all aspects of physical media. So that part doesn't surprise me.

617
00:31:56.920 --> 00:32:00.799
<v Speaker 1>But the website had to still been doing okay, or

618
00:32:00.880 --> 00:32:03.279
<v Speaker 1>the website could have done even better if you focused

619
00:32:03.759 --> 00:32:06.720
<v Speaker 1>all of that energy on the website, and instead they

620
00:32:06.720 --> 00:32:09.279
<v Speaker 1>shut it down on some stupid static screen and not

621
00:32:09.359 --> 00:32:12.480
<v Speaker 1>even allow you to see the pass And that pisss

622
00:32:12.519 --> 00:32:15.039
<v Speaker 1>me off more than anything. And the funny thing is,

623
00:32:15.079 --> 00:32:18.480
<v Speaker 1>when we were talking about the games that we were playing,

624
00:32:19.200 --> 00:32:23.279
<v Speaker 1>I instinctively, every time I'm on this show look up

625
00:32:23.480 --> 00:32:26.119
<v Speaker 1>the video game release calendar just to kind of see

626
00:32:26.160 --> 00:32:27.920
<v Speaker 1>what else is coming out for the stuff that we

627
00:32:27.960 --> 00:32:30.799
<v Speaker 1>can have a conversation with. I go to Game Informer

628
00:32:30.880 --> 00:32:34.160
<v Speaker 1>for that every single time, and instinctively went to that website,

629
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<v Speaker 1>which obviously just goes to the static screen, and it

630
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<v Speaker 1>just kind of put a hole in your heart because

631
00:32:39.440 --> 00:32:42.680
<v Speaker 1>again I visit that website. The fact that they had

632
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<v Speaker 1>to shut that down to absolutely sucks. I mean, listen,

633
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<v Speaker 1>this is a even smaller group that does the stuff

634
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<v Speaker 1>for W two M and you know, trying to get

635
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<v Speaker 1>your feet on the ground. I used to be part

636
00:32:56.079 --> 00:32:57.279
<v Speaker 1>of this and now I'm just kind of here to

637
00:32:57.319 --> 00:33:01.920
<v Speaker 1>help when needed. But it's extremely difficult out there, and

638
00:33:01.960 --> 00:33:04.640
<v Speaker 1>now that the big guys continue to kind of fall off,

639
00:33:04.680 --> 00:33:08.519
<v Speaker 1>it's a scary world for this kind of business.

640
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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, man, it's and that's that's so frustrated me the most,

641
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<v Speaker 2>right because as somebody that that when you write for

642
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<v Speaker 2>a website, even if you don't write there anymore, you

643
00:33:18.599 --> 00:33:21.880
<v Speaker 2>want to be able to go back and find your

644
00:33:22.960 --> 00:33:25.039
<v Speaker 2>stuff right that you wrote. You want to be able

645
00:33:25.039 --> 00:33:27.799
<v Speaker 2>to say, look, hey, so and so, Hey, you know

646
00:33:27.839 --> 00:33:30.319
<v Speaker 2>both of us have children. Hey, look here's this thing

647
00:33:30.359 --> 00:33:32.720
<v Speaker 2>I wrote way back before you were born or whatever.

648
00:33:32.759 --> 00:33:36.359
<v Speaker 2>You know, like it shows you off. It's something you

649
00:33:36.400 --> 00:33:39.240
<v Speaker 2>always tell people, but it's like more and more the

650
00:33:39.359 --> 00:33:43.160
<v Speaker 2>thing back up your stuff, and it's it's insane that

651
00:33:43.240 --> 00:33:45.559
<v Speaker 2>this is a company, this is GameStop, game Stop is

652
00:33:45.559 --> 00:33:48.559
<v Speaker 2>still existing. It's not going anywhere, like, at least not

653
00:33:48.599 --> 00:33:50.880
<v Speaker 2>for now. It may go somewhere in a few years,

654
00:33:50.920 --> 00:33:53.000
<v Speaker 2>we don't know. They continue to not be able to

655
00:33:53.200 --> 00:33:57.119
<v Speaker 2>accommodate to the current situation where most people are buying

656
00:33:57.119 --> 00:33:59.960
<v Speaker 2>games digitally and you have to like pray and hope

657
00:34:00.039 --> 00:34:02.200
<v Speaker 2>that there's a new console or pro edition of a

658
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<v Speaker 2>console to come out so you people will go to

659
00:34:04.160 --> 00:34:07.000
<v Speaker 2>your tour at least for gaming stuff, you know. So

660
00:34:08.039 --> 00:34:10.400
<v Speaker 2>like literally the last time I went to a game

661
00:34:10.400 --> 00:34:12.719
<v Speaker 2>Stop was to buy any a hoodie that she wanted

662
00:34:12.880 --> 00:34:16.440
<v Speaker 2>that that, you know, for her birthday that had Sonic

663
00:34:16.519 --> 00:34:18.559
<v Speaker 2>on it, you know, it had it has something to

664
00:34:18.559 --> 00:34:20.360
<v Speaker 2>do with games, but it's not I'm not buying an

665
00:34:20.400 --> 00:34:23.280
<v Speaker 2>actual game. So most of my stuff that I do

666
00:34:23.360 --> 00:34:25.760
<v Speaker 2>with game Stop is to buy stuff online, don't even

667
00:34:25.840 --> 00:34:30.159
<v Speaker 2>go into the store. So and that's the most a

668
00:34:30.159 --> 00:34:32.480
<v Speaker 2>lot of people's thing with game Stop is if you

669
00:34:32.559 --> 00:34:35.159
<v Speaker 2>go into game Stop, you're not buying games there. You're

670
00:34:35.480 --> 00:34:37.519
<v Speaker 2>you're buying like funk O pops and other stuff that

671
00:34:37.559 --> 00:34:40.360
<v Speaker 2>has nothing to do with them, and it's it's sold

672
00:34:40.480 --> 00:34:42.480
<v Speaker 2>a lot of it's solless, and it feels like that.

673
00:34:42.519 --> 00:34:45.280
<v Speaker 2>And then this this thing that they put up that

674
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<v Speaker 2>as Ben Hansen rightly pointed out, former a big time person,

675
00:34:49.199 --> 00:34:51.320
<v Speaker 2>a gaming former you know now does Ben Max with

676
00:34:51.360 --> 00:34:55.239
<v Speaker 2>a bunch of former gaming former folks as well? You know,

677
00:34:55.280 --> 00:34:57.159
<v Speaker 2>he said, this is probably written by AI, and I

678
00:34:57.199 --> 00:34:59.280
<v Speaker 2>wouldn't be surprised the fact that you couldn't even have

679
00:34:59.360 --> 00:35:04.360
<v Speaker 2>somebody from the staff write this and and like put

680
00:35:04.360 --> 00:35:06.760
<v Speaker 2>out something more heartfelt and felt like you cared about

681
00:35:06.760 --> 00:35:10.199
<v Speaker 2>these people. Like it just it's game stops wholemo. We

682
00:35:10.239 --> 00:35:12.679
<v Speaker 2>don't care. We just want to sell you this thing

683
00:35:12.719 --> 00:35:16.719
<v Speaker 2>and make money. And it sucks because it's like these

684
00:35:16.719 --> 00:35:19.840
<v Speaker 2>are real people that were working on skeleton crew, working

685
00:35:19.920 --> 00:35:23.840
<v Speaker 2>seventy hour work weeks at a paper with such a

686
00:35:23.880 --> 00:35:26.559
<v Speaker 2>you know, a magazine that was seventy percent done the

687
00:35:26.599 --> 00:35:28.519
<v Speaker 2>last issue. They didn't even get to put that out.

688
00:35:30.400 --> 00:35:33.480
<v Speaker 2>And and then a website and video because the YouTube

689
00:35:33.840 --> 00:35:35.599
<v Speaker 2>channel still up there. But who knows that they're going

690
00:35:35.679 --> 00:35:39.719
<v Speaker 2>to take that down? Oh well, so yeah, especially the

691
00:35:39.760 --> 00:35:42.639
<v Speaker 2>YouTube channel. Go get go, get videos out of there,

692
00:35:42.679 --> 00:35:44.239
<v Speaker 2>or do what you gotta do, because they make great

693
00:35:44.320 --> 00:35:47.840
<v Speaker 2>video content as well. That's something they were doing a

694
00:35:47.840 --> 00:35:49.920
<v Speaker 2>great job of too. They were branching out to video,

695
00:35:49.920 --> 00:35:52.559
<v Speaker 2>they were doing a podcast, they were they had a

696
00:35:52.599 --> 00:35:56.440
<v Speaker 2>lot of things going on. Alex ben Aigen was probably

697
00:35:56.480 --> 00:35:59.239
<v Speaker 2>like the spearhead with that too, and Brian Shay he

698
00:35:59.280 --> 00:36:03.679
<v Speaker 2>also didn't endo podcasts for them, Like it's it sucks

699
00:36:03.719 --> 00:36:07.119
<v Speaker 2>because I don't know any of those people personally, like

700
00:36:07.159 --> 00:36:09.159
<v Speaker 2>personally like none of them are my friends. But I

701
00:36:09.199 --> 00:36:12.360
<v Speaker 2>see them, I you know, we I have you know,

702
00:36:12.679 --> 00:36:15.199
<v Speaker 2>in journalist groups, and when you see them talking, and

703
00:36:15.239 --> 00:36:18.320
<v Speaker 2>all of a sudden to see everyone that has been

704
00:36:18.360 --> 00:36:21.960
<v Speaker 2>a part of Gamingformer did anything for Gaming Form freelance

705
00:36:22.000 --> 00:36:24.280
<v Speaker 2>wise or still work the game Informer, all of a sudden,

706
00:36:24.320 --> 00:36:28.440
<v Speaker 2>the collective like screw you to game stop, to just

707
00:36:28.599 --> 00:36:32.719
<v Speaker 2>kind of kill that magazine like that and the website

708
00:36:32.719 --> 00:36:34.840
<v Speaker 2>and everything, and not to let them even give them

709
00:36:34.880 --> 00:36:37.360
<v Speaker 2>like you couldn't give them a couple of days notice,

710
00:36:37.400 --> 00:36:39.679
<v Speaker 2>a week notice to like get all their stuff off

711
00:36:39.719 --> 00:36:40.639
<v Speaker 2>of there, or at.

712
00:36:40.599 --> 00:36:43.480
<v Speaker 1>Least say, hey, you know the last magazine and still

713
00:36:43.719 --> 00:36:46.519
<v Speaker 1>the next magazine is the very last one. Yeah, the

714
00:36:46.559 --> 00:36:49.079
<v Speaker 1>moment that comes out, then we're shutting everything down and

715
00:36:49.079 --> 00:36:51.480
<v Speaker 1>then you know, say you're goodbyes and stuff. But no,

716
00:36:51.719 --> 00:36:55.320
<v Speaker 1>that's not how corporate thing work these days. It's they

717
00:36:55.360 --> 00:36:57.480
<v Speaker 1>finally come up with a decision and then turn off

718
00:36:57.519 --> 00:36:59.519
<v Speaker 1>the lights right now, get out kind.

719
00:36:59.320 --> 00:37:02.239
<v Speaker 2>Of exactly, it's such a such a terrible thing, and

720
00:37:02.920 --> 00:37:05.360
<v Speaker 2>hard goes out to all those folks that are now

721
00:37:05.400 --> 00:37:08.519
<v Speaker 2>looking for work. It's like as if we don't have

722
00:37:08.639 --> 00:37:11.519
<v Speaker 2>enough gaming journalists in like as Mandy mentioned, journalists in

723
00:37:11.599 --> 00:37:14.880
<v Speaker 2>general looking for work, and then you know, now they

724
00:37:14.920 --> 00:37:18.000
<v Speaker 2>have to either go freelance or have to go find

725
00:37:18.000 --> 00:37:21.519
<v Speaker 2>something else, and it's it kind of kicks us this

726
00:37:21.679 --> 00:37:25.159
<v Speaker 2>wave of well we've been talking about again, it's not

727
00:37:25.280 --> 00:37:29.679
<v Speaker 2>just print and online stuff. As you know, IGN bought

728
00:37:29.679 --> 00:37:33.079
<v Speaker 2>a bunch of of noteworthy gaming sites and then kind

729
00:37:33.079 --> 00:37:36.280
<v Speaker 2>of also laid off people, and then IGN also just

730
00:37:36.880 --> 00:37:40.800
<v Speaker 2>they just killed Humble bundles games last week as well,

731
00:37:40.960 --> 00:37:44.800
<v Speaker 2>So like we're seeing this everywhere, and then this kind

732
00:37:44.800 --> 00:37:48.320
<v Speaker 2>of goes into the major, next, major kind of story

733
00:37:48.480 --> 00:37:53.440
<v Speaker 2>of Bungie, what's going on with them here with with

734
00:37:54.000 --> 00:37:56.960
<v Speaker 2>not even involving really Destiny, because Destiny too is doing

735
00:37:57.039 --> 00:38:03.440
<v Speaker 2>great after the final shape and it's sad to hear that.

736
00:38:04.280 --> 00:38:07.880
<v Speaker 2>October twenty twenty three, so we're about two months away

737
00:38:08.519 --> 00:38:11.199
<v Speaker 2>from when we would have had the one year anniversary

738
00:38:11.320 --> 00:38:16.079
<v Speaker 2>of the last layoffs they did at Bungee and now

739
00:38:16.119 --> 00:38:20.559
<v Speaker 2>here we go out of nowhere more layoffs at Bungee.

740
00:38:22.280 --> 00:38:24.760
<v Speaker 2>They're at least one hundred and fifty five of their

741
00:38:24.880 --> 00:38:28.039
<v Speaker 2>roles are going to be integrated into Sony Active Entertainment, which,

742
00:38:28.559 --> 00:38:31.960
<v Speaker 2>if you don't remember, Sony bought them for a three

743
00:38:32.039 --> 00:38:36.360
<v Speaker 2>point six billion and then use them as a consultancy

744
00:38:36.440 --> 00:38:41.039
<v Speaker 2>firm basically for all their other live service projects. One

745
00:38:41.039 --> 00:38:43.480
<v Speaker 2>of them did wonderful with hell Divers two. The rest

746
00:38:43.480 --> 00:38:46.039
<v Speaker 2>of them seem to not be doing so hot, and

747
00:38:46.079 --> 00:38:49.320
<v Speaker 2>Concord is the latest one that is not doing great.

748
00:38:50.079 --> 00:38:54.840
<v Speaker 2>But they're going to lay off a big number of folks,

749
00:38:55.239 --> 00:38:58.920
<v Speaker 2>around two hundred or so. And this also includes leadership

750
00:38:58.960 --> 00:39:01.280
<v Speaker 2>as well, not fil leader that I think a lot

751
00:39:01.280 --> 00:39:05.519
<v Speaker 2>of people want remove the Ceop Parsons. We'll get into

752
00:39:05.559 --> 00:39:09.320
<v Speaker 2>that a little bit. But he Pete Parsons did go

753
00:39:09.360 --> 00:39:12.039
<v Speaker 2>and write this, at least it wasn't an AI bot

754
00:39:12.199 --> 00:39:15.719
<v Speaker 2>that wrote some of this. But he says that they've

755
00:39:16.960 --> 00:39:20.840
<v Speaker 2>tried tirelessly to enify roles for as many people as

756
00:39:20.880 --> 00:39:23.960
<v Speaker 2>possible and saving a great deal of talent that whatetherwise

757
00:39:23.960 --> 00:39:27.880
<v Speaker 2>have been affected by the reduction enforced, and they are

758
00:39:27.880 --> 00:39:31.199
<v Speaker 2>going to kind of push them into other roles in Sony.

759
00:39:31.239 --> 00:39:34.400
<v Speaker 2>And also they're going to make a new studio out

760
00:39:34.440 --> 00:39:38.079
<v Speaker 2>of their one of their incubation projects, an action game

761
00:39:38.119 --> 00:39:41.360
<v Speaker 2>and a brand new science fantasy universe that's going to

762
00:39:41.440 --> 00:39:43.840
<v Speaker 2>be formed within PlayStation studios, So they're going to have

763
00:39:44.320 --> 00:39:47.480
<v Speaker 2>we'll have another studio. And this probably also means that

764
00:39:47.719 --> 00:39:51.599
<v Speaker 2>I'm assuming Destiny was not Destiny, but Bungeie is going

765
00:39:51.599 --> 00:39:53.360
<v Speaker 2>to be losing a lot more of their autonomy if

766
00:39:53.360 --> 00:39:55.800
<v Speaker 2>they haven't lost all of it and become more of

767
00:39:55.840 --> 00:40:00.079
<v Speaker 2>a Oh, we're just another studio inside Sony now, And

768
00:40:00.719 --> 00:40:04.519
<v Speaker 2>that kind of feels weird because the whole point of

769
00:40:04.559 --> 00:40:07.840
<v Speaker 2>this was that they were supposed to be autonomous. They

770
00:40:07.840 --> 00:40:11.320
<v Speaker 2>were going to be multi platform. Marathon was going to

771
00:40:11.440 --> 00:40:19.280
<v Speaker 2>appear on multiple systems, not just PlayStation. Right now, what

772
00:40:19.320 --> 00:40:21.960
<v Speaker 2>does that mean for that PlayStation studio game. Does that

773
00:40:22.000 --> 00:40:25.320
<v Speaker 2>mean that that's now only a Sony venture the time

774
00:40:25.400 --> 00:40:31.119
<v Speaker 2>being or whatever. Lots of weird things. And also, I

775
00:40:31.119 --> 00:40:32.440
<v Speaker 2>got to bring it up, but I don't think this

776
00:40:32.480 --> 00:40:35.199
<v Speaker 2>really makes a big difference, because honestly, what one person

777
00:40:35.239 --> 00:40:37.360
<v Speaker 2>does with their money, regardless of whether what we feel

778
00:40:37.400 --> 00:40:39.840
<v Speaker 2>about it or not, it's their decision. But p Parts

779
00:40:40.000 --> 00:40:42.159
<v Speaker 2>is coming under fire a lot for having a classic

780
00:40:42.199 --> 00:40:44.000
<v Speaker 2>car collection that he's spending a lot of money on.

781
00:40:44.679 --> 00:40:47.079
<v Speaker 2>Instead of using that money, I guess to give back

782
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<v Speaker 2>to you know, to give back to their workers or

783
00:40:51.760 --> 00:40:56.480
<v Speaker 2>invest more in will it never happened? Yeah, exactly, We're

784
00:40:56.519 --> 00:40:59.840
<v Speaker 2>not going to take their money. Whether you feel like

785
00:40:59.880 --> 00:41:02.360
<v Speaker 2>they should make that much or not, that's that's your

786
00:41:02.400 --> 00:41:04.519
<v Speaker 2>own personal thing, and I understand that as well. We

787
00:41:04.599 --> 00:41:08.719
<v Speaker 2>can have that conversation if you want. But this is

788
00:41:08.840 --> 00:41:13.400
<v Speaker 2>the capitalist structure of the United States, and unfortunately CEOs

789
00:41:13.719 --> 00:41:16.480
<v Speaker 2>always are going to make way more money than us workers.

790
00:41:16.679 --> 00:41:20.119
<v Speaker 2>It's going to happen in every single job. So, but

791
00:41:20.239 --> 00:41:22.960
<v Speaker 2>what do you think about all this? And do you

792
00:41:23.039 --> 00:41:26.320
<v Speaker 2>think that somebody should like be wishing they didn't buy

793
00:41:26.360 --> 00:41:26.920
<v Speaker 2>a bunch.

794
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<v Speaker 1>Of I'm trying to think of the best way to

795
00:41:30.119 --> 00:41:33.639
<v Speaker 1>answer the last part of that to Tony feel like

796
00:41:33.679 --> 00:41:36.719
<v Speaker 1>they regretted buying that, No, because because in the end

797
00:41:36.800 --> 00:41:41.039
<v Speaker 1>it's going to profit them. And now obviously things did

798
00:41:41.079 --> 00:41:43.480
<v Speaker 1>not work out well for them as far as the

799
00:41:43.599 --> 00:41:47.519
<v Speaker 1>online games went, and we talked about this many times,

800
00:41:47.920 --> 00:41:49.760
<v Speaker 1>that the strategy was to have all these different live

801
00:41:49.840 --> 00:41:52.880
<v Speaker 1>service games and then the last of us is going

802
00:41:52.920 --> 00:41:55.000
<v Speaker 1>to have a life service game, and this is going

803
00:41:55.079 --> 00:41:57.719
<v Speaker 1>to have a life service game, and then it has

804
00:41:57.760 --> 00:42:01.960
<v Speaker 1>all fallen apart. How Divers worked out really well and

805
00:42:02.159 --> 00:42:05.519
<v Speaker 1>has been fantastic, she said. Concorde has not had the

806
00:42:05.519 --> 00:42:08.239
<v Speaker 1>best beta time, and we'll see how sales go when

807
00:42:08.280 --> 00:42:11.239
<v Speaker 1>they go full launch. What is it later this month?

808
00:42:11.360 --> 00:42:16.159
<v Speaker 1>I think? But no, it's like they have Bungee now

809
00:42:16.639 --> 00:42:19.119
<v Speaker 1>and they're going to find a way to make it profitable.

810
00:42:19.519 --> 00:42:24.280
<v Speaker 1>What's best for Sony Now, if it means cutting a

811
00:42:24.320 --> 00:42:26.360
<v Speaker 1>bunch of little men out, it is not going to

812
00:42:26.400 --> 00:42:29.599
<v Speaker 1>affect the top guys at all. They're going to come

813
00:42:29.599 --> 00:42:32.320
<v Speaker 1>out with their statements and it's all going to be

814
00:42:32.519 --> 00:42:36.039
<v Speaker 1>yes and yes it might actually, you know, I don't

815
00:42:36.079 --> 00:42:38.320
<v Speaker 1>want to be that would say that the people on

816
00:42:38.400 --> 00:42:41.000
<v Speaker 1>top have no hearts. I'm sure some of these decisions

817
00:42:41.039 --> 00:42:45.039
<v Speaker 1>are difficult, but like you said, like if the decision

818
00:42:45.159 --> 00:42:49.079
<v Speaker 1>is one less car that I can buy, or fifty

819
00:42:49.119 --> 00:42:51.239
<v Speaker 1>people need to be cut from their jobs, They're going

820
00:42:51.320 --> 00:42:54.079
<v Speaker 1>to cut the people dot the car. It's just how

821
00:42:54.079 --> 00:42:57.320
<v Speaker 1>it works. They want to make sure that the business

822
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<v Speaker 1>is profitable and they are getting as much money, if

823
00:43:00.800 --> 00:43:05.119
<v Speaker 1>not more money, year after year. And unfortunately it means cutting.

824
00:43:05.159 --> 00:43:07.119
<v Speaker 1>People talked about it with the game and Former thing,

825
00:43:07.159 --> 00:43:10.199
<v Speaker 1>and we talk about it basically in any forms of

826
00:43:10.239 --> 00:43:14.199
<v Speaker 1>life when when companies go out and buy other companies,

827
00:43:14.840 --> 00:43:16.679
<v Speaker 1>it can go one of two ways, Like it could

828
00:43:16.679 --> 00:43:19.199
<v Speaker 1>be a loving relationship that that really works out for

829
00:43:19.280 --> 00:43:22.840
<v Speaker 1>both or the top company is going to consume the other.

830
00:43:23.159 --> 00:43:26.239
<v Speaker 1>I mean, we talked about IGN buying up all these

831
00:43:26.239 --> 00:43:29.440
<v Speaker 1>different brands and then spitting them out, like the parent

832
00:43:29.480 --> 00:43:34.519
<v Speaker 1>companies of so many different video game publishers continue to

833
00:43:34.559 --> 00:43:36.320
<v Speaker 1>do the same thing. We saw that a lot with

834
00:43:36.480 --> 00:43:39.559
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of YouTube brands that like grocer Teeth bought

835
00:43:39.559 --> 00:43:42.559
<v Speaker 1>a bunch of people, and then this company bought rooster

836
00:43:42.599 --> 00:43:44.679
<v Speaker 1>Teeth and then they made them cut out all the

837
00:43:45.440 --> 00:43:48.719
<v Speaker 1>small people there. It's like the same thing with video games.

838
00:43:48.760 --> 00:43:50.360
<v Speaker 1>It's it's the more and more that.

839
00:43:50.320 --> 00:43:54.239
<v Speaker 2>You have with the activism Blizzard, they laid off people.

840
00:43:54.920 --> 00:43:57.000
<v Speaker 1>The more and more a company is owned by a company,

841
00:43:57.000 --> 00:43:58.639
<v Speaker 1>which is owned by a company, which is owned by

842
00:43:58.679 --> 00:44:02.039
<v Speaker 1>a company, the more down here is easy just to

843
00:44:02.639 --> 00:44:03.400
<v Speaker 1>get laid off.

844
00:44:03.440 --> 00:44:06.639
<v Speaker 2>But I think the bigger thing with this is that

845
00:44:06.679 --> 00:44:10.480
<v Speaker 2>Bungie has been basically mismanaging itself for quite a while,

846
00:44:10.519 --> 00:44:14.880
<v Speaker 2>and Sony basically saved their assets from being worse than

847
00:44:14.880 --> 00:44:17.199
<v Speaker 2>they are now. Like if if Sony didn't buy them,

848
00:44:17.960 --> 00:44:21.519
<v Speaker 2>they might be closing the entire Bungee Studio period. You know.

849
00:44:21.559 --> 00:44:25.159
<v Speaker 1>But that's usually a reason why these happen. It's they go,

850
00:44:25.599 --> 00:44:28.800
<v Speaker 1>we're great, we're great, we're great. Oh something went wrong

851
00:44:28.840 --> 00:44:32.800
<v Speaker 1>and we don't know how to handle it. Please help us. Yeah,

852
00:44:33.159 --> 00:44:36.280
<v Speaker 1>And then is a lot of times you get helped

853
00:44:36.280 --> 00:44:38.800
<v Speaker 1>for a little bit, and then in the end maybe

854
00:44:38.880 --> 00:44:40.880
<v Speaker 1>the brand stays, but a lot of those people that

855
00:44:40.880 --> 00:44:43.960
<v Speaker 1>were there are going to be no longer there.

856
00:44:44.159 --> 00:44:48.119
<v Speaker 2>It's right, yeah, I mean another reason why that pe

857
00:44:48.280 --> 00:44:52.360
<v Speaker 2>Parsons has been brought up, not just not just because

858
00:44:52.400 --> 00:44:54.880
<v Speaker 2>of his spending habits, which you know that gets brought

859
00:44:54.960 --> 00:44:57.599
<v Speaker 2>up when when you're a CEO that gets to stay

860
00:44:57.599 --> 00:45:01.079
<v Speaker 2>there and a lot of the decisions come down to

861
00:45:01.199 --> 00:45:05.880
<v Speaker 2>decisions you make, right, Destiny two has kind of been

862
00:45:07.119 --> 00:45:10.719
<v Speaker 2>here and there, you know, a final shape apparently has

863
00:45:10.760 --> 00:45:13.440
<v Speaker 2>been amazing as far as critical reception, and then like

864
00:45:13.480 --> 00:45:16.719
<v Speaker 2>basically that a great end to they could technically go

865
00:45:16.800 --> 00:45:19.039
<v Speaker 2>on and make a Destiny three. Now Destiny two's like

866
00:45:19.119 --> 00:45:25.000
<v Speaker 2>story has kind of hit that final part, and it's

867
00:45:25.119 --> 00:45:27.280
<v Speaker 2>a lot of people that have either formerly worked there

868
00:45:27.360 --> 00:45:28.960
<v Speaker 2>or currently worked there. A lot of them are former

869
00:45:29.000 --> 00:45:32.119
<v Speaker 2>employees that are basically saying, you know, you had Leonna ruper,

870
00:45:32.239 --> 00:45:35.159
<v Speaker 2>talk about he's a liar, a thief, and so many

871
00:45:35.159 --> 00:45:39.480
<v Speaker 2>things you can discuss publicly, you know, step down and

872
00:45:39.519 --> 00:45:41.840
<v Speaker 2>without the giant Sony payout. This is not on Sony.

873
00:45:41.880 --> 00:45:45.159
<v Speaker 2>This is squarely of failure of leadership, plain and simple.

874
00:45:46.159 --> 00:45:49.559
<v Speaker 2>Former Destiny community manager Pete is a joke C suite

875
00:45:49.559 --> 00:45:52.079
<v Speaker 2>taking accountability for any of this or still just withholding

876
00:45:52.079 --> 00:45:54.920
<v Speaker 2>bonuses and then it'll be settled in the house. I mean,

877
00:45:55.320 --> 00:45:57.559
<v Speaker 2>poor leadership has crushed one of the greatest Melopers of

878
00:45:57.559 --> 00:46:01.800
<v Speaker 2>all time. Retire Pete. Damn. That isn't a damning thing

879
00:46:01.880 --> 00:46:05.559
<v Speaker 2>from a former employee. I don't know what is. But seriously,

880
00:46:05.639 --> 00:46:10.639
<v Speaker 2>I mean, Destiny has not been doing well. They mismanaged.

881
00:46:11.159 --> 00:46:13.440
<v Speaker 2>They tried to make three games at once, so you know,

882
00:46:13.480 --> 00:46:15.039
<v Speaker 2>they knew they were working on Marathon, but they were

883
00:46:15.079 --> 00:46:17.400
<v Speaker 2>apparently working on another game called Payback, which is like

884
00:46:17.400 --> 00:46:20.960
<v Speaker 2>a spinoff of Destiny that you could use the same character,

885
00:46:21.039 --> 00:46:23.960
<v Speaker 2>but you're doing something else. It's not technically Destiny to

886
00:46:24.519 --> 00:46:28.159
<v Speaker 2>and it's like, you know, you can blame the stuff

887
00:46:28.159 --> 00:46:30.320
<v Speaker 2>when they were owned by Activision as okay, Activision is

888
00:46:30.360 --> 00:46:32.920
<v Speaker 2>doing Activision things right where they have to make They

889
00:46:32.920 --> 00:46:35.119
<v Speaker 2>couldn't just keep iterating on Destiny one. They had to

890
00:46:35.119 --> 00:46:37.760
<v Speaker 2>make destiny too. They had to make physical expansions all

891
00:46:37.800 --> 00:46:41.719
<v Speaker 2>the time. They couldn't just included into the thing. So

892
00:46:41.840 --> 00:46:44.320
<v Speaker 2>they spun off and became their own thing that didn't

893
00:46:44.360 --> 00:46:47.960
<v Speaker 2>do well enough for them. You heard about whenever they

894
00:46:48.000 --> 00:46:50.039
<v Speaker 2>were acquired by Sony. At first they said they weren't

895
00:46:50.039 --> 00:46:54.159
<v Speaker 2>going to be layoffs, and they were. Sony apparently had

896
00:46:54.239 --> 00:46:57.280
<v Speaker 2>allocated a bunch of money so that they didn't have

897
00:46:57.360 --> 00:47:00.719
<v Speaker 2>as many layoffs as they possibly could. And then here

898
00:47:00.719 --> 00:47:04.760
<v Speaker 2>we are a second time, and it sucks to see

899
00:47:04.800 --> 00:47:07.400
<v Speaker 2>that like all these supers in their jobs. And yeah,

900
00:47:07.440 --> 00:47:10.280
<v Speaker 2>some of the leadership went down with the payback team

901
00:47:10.400 --> 00:47:13.079
<v Speaker 2>that is apparently no longer being worked on and some

902
00:47:13.119 --> 00:47:16.000
<v Speaker 2>other ones in these layoffs, but the people that probably

903
00:47:16.039 --> 00:47:18.440
<v Speaker 2>should be falling on the sword for this are not

904
00:47:19.000 --> 00:47:22.159
<v Speaker 2>and they're not going to as Look, this would be

905
00:47:22.199 --> 00:47:25.840
<v Speaker 2>like saying Bobby Kotex should have been should have you know,

906
00:47:25.960 --> 00:47:28.519
<v Speaker 2>resigned after the stuff that happened at the vision Budge,

907
00:47:28.559 --> 00:47:30.599
<v Speaker 2>but he was not going to do that. In fact,

908
00:47:30.639 --> 00:47:34.519
<v Speaker 2>he would let you know. He was so ingrained in

909
00:47:34.559 --> 00:47:36.760
<v Speaker 2>that company that the border directors had to make sure

910
00:47:36.800 --> 00:47:40.440
<v Speaker 2>that he he went on in with the Microsoft that

911
00:47:40.480 --> 00:47:44.119
<v Speaker 2>division Blizzard merger, or they wouldn't sign off on it.

912
00:47:44.639 --> 00:47:47.519
<v Speaker 2>So like this is to tell you that a lot

913
00:47:47.519 --> 00:47:50.280
<v Speaker 2>of a lot of y'all that get mad. Look, I'm

914
00:47:50.360 --> 00:47:52.239
<v Speaker 2>upset to I think all of us are upset. We

915
00:47:52.320 --> 00:47:55.199
<v Speaker 2>want to see the person that is the reason why

916
00:47:55.239 --> 00:48:00.599
<v Speaker 2>this has failed majorly, you know, take some credible for this.

917
00:48:00.800 --> 00:48:03.039
<v Speaker 2>And yes, he wrote this statement, and yes he kind

918
00:48:03.039 --> 00:48:05.599
<v Speaker 2>of said more things than normally you would say when

919
00:48:05.599 --> 00:48:09.159
<v Speaker 2>you're talking about this happening, but he's still not taking

920
00:48:09.360 --> 00:48:12.840
<v Speaker 2>as much of accountability as you would imagine. And again,

921
00:48:12.880 --> 00:48:16.639
<v Speaker 2>it's like this whole thing about you know, listen, it

922
00:48:16.719 --> 00:48:19.800
<v Speaker 2>is what it is. Guys like this guy is not

923
00:48:19.880 --> 00:48:23.000
<v Speaker 2>gonna get taken out unless Hermann Holst, who's now running

924
00:48:23.039 --> 00:48:25.840
<v Speaker 2>the studio apparently tells them, YO, get out of here.

925
00:48:26.159 --> 00:48:28.800
<v Speaker 2>And even then he's probably got protections that prevent him

926
00:48:28.800 --> 00:48:30.360
<v Speaker 2>from me for a certain amount of time.

927
00:48:30.400 --> 00:48:33.000
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, listen, I don't work in the corporate world,

928
00:48:33.639 --> 00:48:35.960
<v Speaker 1>and if I did, I'd be at the bottom rung

929
00:48:36.159 --> 00:48:39.280
<v Speaker 1>of whatever ladder that is. But you have to assume

930
00:48:39.320 --> 00:48:41.119
<v Speaker 1>that cutting off the bottom rung of a ladder of

931
00:48:41.239 --> 00:48:44.400
<v Speaker 1>a company is a lot easier than replacing the broken

932
00:48:44.679 --> 00:48:47.199
<v Speaker 1>run on a ladder that's in the middle. And that's

933
00:48:47.280 --> 00:48:49.760
<v Speaker 1>just what companies are going to do. And maybe if

934
00:48:49.800 --> 00:48:53.280
<v Speaker 1>this doesn't fix the financial issues for Bungie, maybe then

935
00:48:53.320 --> 00:48:58.119
<v Speaker 1>they start making changes too, said management. But it's so

936
00:48:58.199 --> 00:49:01.480
<v Speaker 1>much easier to go all right. And this is the

937
00:49:01.840 --> 00:49:05.360
<v Speaker 1>big issue with with working and gaming. From what I

938
00:49:05.400 --> 00:49:08.519
<v Speaker 1>have seen and from what I've heard, is the most

939
00:49:08.599 --> 00:49:11.039
<v Speaker 1>dangerous time for you is once you're done with the project.

940
00:49:11.679 --> 00:49:14.719
<v Speaker 1>Once you're done with the project, you're you're you're replaceable.

941
00:49:14.719 --> 00:49:16.800
<v Speaker 1>It's like, all right, you're done with this because.

942
00:49:16.559 --> 00:49:19.280
<v Speaker 2>You wind down automatically because you don't need that many

943
00:49:19.280 --> 00:49:21.920
<v Speaker 2>people to just be kind of maintaining the game. And

944
00:49:21.960 --> 00:49:24.400
<v Speaker 2>then not only that, but again, like you're trying to

945
00:49:24.400 --> 00:49:26.840
<v Speaker 2>work on three projects with this number of people. You

946
00:49:26.880 --> 00:49:29.119
<v Speaker 2>don't have enough people to be able to work on it.

947
00:49:29.480 --> 00:49:32.559
<v Speaker 2>Why are you spinning off three projects? Oh, just because

948
00:49:32.559 --> 00:49:34.360
<v Speaker 2>you think all of them are gonna make amazing amount

949
00:49:34.360 --> 00:49:36.960
<v Speaker 2>of money. You abody have problems with Destiny Too, you're

950
00:49:37.000 --> 00:49:39.400
<v Speaker 2>making Marathon, which okay, whatever, it's the game you used

951
00:49:39.440 --> 00:49:41.159
<v Speaker 2>to make and you're gonna make it again to try

952
00:49:41.199 --> 00:49:42.519
<v Speaker 2>to make a big deal. But the problem is the

953
00:49:42.599 --> 00:49:44.800
<v Speaker 2>stratched shooters are like a dime a dozen right now,

954
00:49:45.199 --> 00:49:47.639
<v Speaker 2>and you don't need another one.

955
00:49:48.039 --> 00:49:52.400
<v Speaker 1>So listen. They try to learn from Telltale. You get

956
00:49:52.400 --> 00:49:54.400
<v Speaker 1>popular for one thing, doesn't mean you need to have

957
00:49:54.440 --> 00:49:55.280
<v Speaker 1>fifteenth things.

958
00:49:55.400 --> 00:49:57.079
<v Speaker 2>But I mean, I get it. You also can't just

959
00:49:57.119 --> 00:50:01.000
<v Speaker 2>make Destiny Too forever unless it's like Fortnite levels where

960
00:50:01.039 --> 00:50:03.079
<v Speaker 2>like you can. But look at that. Look how many

961
00:50:03.119 --> 00:50:05.159
<v Speaker 2>things they have to keep adding to Fortnite to make

962
00:50:05.199 --> 00:50:09.119
<v Speaker 2>it continue to be relevant. And that's the thing Destiny two. Yeah,

963
00:50:09.159 --> 00:50:11.440
<v Speaker 2>you're great, you add all this story content or whatever,

964
00:50:11.480 --> 00:50:14.519
<v Speaker 2>but it's like it's still not a behemoth like uh,

965
00:50:14.599 --> 00:50:17.239
<v Speaker 2>Final Fantasy fourteen or even Wow is where It's like

966
00:50:18.000 --> 00:50:20.679
<v Speaker 2>I feel like, yes, Destiny two has its players, Destiny

967
00:50:20.679 --> 00:50:22.800
<v Speaker 2>two has its people that are die hard Destiny two

968
00:50:23.559 --> 00:50:26.159
<v Speaker 2>or whatever, and but I feel like if Destiny two

969
00:50:26.280 --> 00:50:29.360
<v Speaker 2>went away, would it I mean, I'm not talking about

970
00:50:29.360 --> 00:50:31.239
<v Speaker 2>the people that are working on Destiny Too, yeah, I'm

971
00:50:31.239 --> 00:50:34.239
<v Speaker 2>talking about the players for Destiny two. They would just

972
00:50:34.360 --> 00:50:37.800
<v Speaker 2>find another game to play, or another shooter to play

973
00:50:37.920 --> 00:50:40.559
<v Speaker 2>or whatever. It's like, there are so many other ones

974
00:50:40.599 --> 00:50:44.960
<v Speaker 2>out there. The eventually, when enough people play the Final

975
00:50:45.000 --> 00:50:46.880
<v Speaker 2>Shape and they get through that, what's gonna happen. They're

976
00:50:46.880 --> 00:50:50.239
<v Speaker 2>gonna probably stop playing that game. And it's like online

977
00:50:50.280 --> 00:50:53.360
<v Speaker 2>service games as a whole or a cancer right now

978
00:50:53.400 --> 00:50:57.159
<v Speaker 2>to the industry. And I think the uh one of

979
00:50:57.199 --> 00:51:00.320
<v Speaker 2>the Power the Power community guy, which has has not

980
00:51:00.360 --> 00:51:03.400
<v Speaker 2>been he's been very vocal about you need to be

981
00:51:03.440 --> 00:51:06.199
<v Speaker 2>careful about playing the same game over and over because

982
00:51:06.239 --> 00:51:10.400
<v Speaker 2>he's everybody keeps asking about, oh, was Powell to failure

983
00:51:10.440 --> 00:51:13.840
<v Speaker 2>because they went from two million to six hundred thousand players, right,

984
00:51:14.519 --> 00:51:17.920
<v Speaker 2>and he brings up, like, yo, listen, the problem that

985
00:51:17.960 --> 00:51:20.039
<v Speaker 2>we have right now is that too many people are

986
00:51:20.039 --> 00:51:22.639
<v Speaker 2>playing the same game over and over every day. And

987
00:51:22.719 --> 00:51:25.719
<v Speaker 2>so he keeps telling people like Sony like Jim Ryan

988
00:51:26.320 --> 00:51:30.280
<v Speaker 2>that we need to have twelve different live service games

989
00:51:30.760 --> 00:51:33.679
<v Speaker 2>and we need to you know, be trying to have

990
00:51:33.800 --> 00:51:36.239
<v Speaker 2>him call come out by like twenty twenty six or

991
00:51:36.239 --> 00:51:38.800
<v Speaker 2>whatever and rush these things out because we need to

992
00:51:38.840 --> 00:51:42.639
<v Speaker 2>like you know, the market with more of them, and

993
00:51:42.679 --> 00:51:44.840
<v Speaker 2>then guess what happens. You're gonna keep telling all these

994
00:51:44.840 --> 00:51:48.079
<v Speaker 2>publishers that live service is the way, and so indies

995
00:51:48.440 --> 00:51:51.519
<v Speaker 2>and single player games and all that stuff keep dying,

996
00:51:51.920 --> 00:51:53.480
<v Speaker 2>and all we're left with is the same game that

997
00:51:53.599 --> 00:51:55.679
<v Speaker 2>you play over and over. So he brings up a

998
00:51:55.679 --> 00:51:57.880
<v Speaker 2>good point, and I think this once again shows like

999
00:51:57.960 --> 00:52:01.719
<v Speaker 2>where gaming is right now, where we're trying so hard

1000
00:52:01.760 --> 00:52:05.800
<v Speaker 2>to find the next fort nine that it's like the

1001
00:52:05.880 --> 00:52:08.920
<v Speaker 2>rest of the creativity and the great things that are

1002
00:52:08.960 --> 00:52:12.599
<v Speaker 2>about gaming are like getting kind of they're still there.

1003
00:52:12.719 --> 00:52:16.679
<v Speaker 2>Obviously they're still there, but they're getting lost in the whole. Damn.

1004
00:52:17.039 --> 00:52:19.480
<v Speaker 2>Gaming is just not making enough and we got to

1005
00:52:19.559 --> 00:52:21.559
<v Speaker 2>keep playing off of laying off, of laying off, and

1006
00:52:21.599 --> 00:52:24.360
<v Speaker 2>it's like where does that end? Where does that end?

1007
00:52:25.000 --> 00:52:28.760
<v Speaker 1>You said something that's really interesting to me talking about

1008
00:52:28.760 --> 00:52:31.440
<v Speaker 1>how people are only playing the one game, and we

1009
00:52:31.480 --> 00:52:33.519
<v Speaker 1>have to get them to play more games. So you

1010
00:52:33.519 --> 00:52:35.480
<v Speaker 1>need to come out with more and more life service games.

1011
00:52:35.480 --> 00:52:37.440
<v Speaker 1>But what's the goal of a life service game to

1012
00:52:37.519 --> 00:52:40.760
<v Speaker 1>be that one game that people play and continually come

1013
00:52:40.800 --> 00:52:44.760
<v Speaker 1>back to because you're continually bringing content to Now, if

1014
00:52:44.800 --> 00:52:47.760
<v Speaker 1>a company came out with a game plan like Sony

1015
00:52:47.880 --> 00:52:51.000
<v Speaker 1>was attempting to do, where you kind of were able

1016
00:52:51.039 --> 00:52:55.679
<v Speaker 1>to within your company have five or six life service games,

1017
00:52:56.079 --> 00:52:59.159
<v Speaker 1>because life service games do a thing if they catch

1018
00:52:59.199 --> 00:53:02.960
<v Speaker 1>on and you're not Fortnite or Apex legends like where

1019
00:53:03.000 --> 00:53:07.280
<v Speaker 1>you go completely wild for years. But Pow World people

1020
00:53:07.320 --> 00:53:09.440
<v Speaker 1>are saying, well, it's not a success anymore. Yes, it was.

1021
00:53:10.119 --> 00:53:12.280
<v Speaker 1>It was the top of the town for two months

1022
00:53:12.719 --> 00:53:15.599
<v Speaker 1>of a game that had zero interest going into it.

1023
00:53:15.920 --> 00:53:18.599
<v Speaker 1>But a life service games has this crazy peak and

1024
00:53:18.639 --> 00:53:23.760
<v Speaker 1>then it settles into the normal people that they and

1025
00:53:23.800 --> 00:53:26.559
<v Speaker 1>then you come out with your next content for your

1026
00:53:26.559 --> 00:53:28.559
<v Speaker 1>life service game and it'll bring people back for a

1027
00:53:28.599 --> 00:53:31.559
<v Speaker 1>little bit and then they'll die out. So if you're

1028
00:53:31.599 --> 00:53:34.079
<v Speaker 1>a Sony and I think what their main game plan

1029
00:53:34.280 --> 00:53:37.679
<v Speaker 1>was was have six to ten of these games that

1030
00:53:37.800 --> 00:53:39.840
<v Speaker 1>one would hit the wave and as it started to

1031
00:53:39.880 --> 00:53:43.000
<v Speaker 1>die down, their other game would catch the wave, and

1032
00:53:43.039 --> 00:53:47.119
<v Speaker 1>then those six games would then kind of have a

1033
00:53:47.159 --> 00:53:50.159
<v Speaker 1>revolving door of content and then all six games would

1034
00:53:50.239 --> 00:53:53.599
<v Speaker 1>kind of go in and out. But unfortunately you have

1035
00:53:53.719 --> 00:53:56.679
<v Speaker 1>this idea, but then the dip happens and you're like, oh,

1036
00:53:56.719 --> 00:53:58.719
<v Speaker 1>it's dead and you just shut the door. It's like no,

1037
00:53:58.840 --> 00:54:00.639
<v Speaker 1>it's like you have to catch the wave of it.

1038
00:54:01.519 --> 00:54:03.280
<v Speaker 1>Your contact comes out and you have like a month

1039
00:54:03.800 --> 00:54:07.840
<v Speaker 1>of just fantastic game plan, everyone's playing your game. Then

1040
00:54:07.880 --> 00:54:10.760
<v Speaker 1>they all move on, like there's so many I don't

1041
00:54:10.760 --> 00:54:13.199
<v Speaker 1>play with my groups of friends anymore. I've gotten old.

1042
00:54:13.239 --> 00:54:15.880
<v Speaker 1>I just played my single player stuff. But the people

1043
00:54:15.920 --> 00:54:19.159
<v Speaker 1>that I know that still really focus in on online

1044
00:54:19.239 --> 00:54:22.920
<v Speaker 1>gaming and play with their group of friends, they go

1045
00:54:22.960 --> 00:54:26.280
<v Speaker 1>through waves like it's Rocket League for two months. Still

1046
00:54:26.440 --> 00:54:28.519
<v Speaker 1>to this day, they'll play Rocket League for a little

1047
00:54:28.519 --> 00:54:30.000
<v Speaker 1>bit and then they'll move on to this game, and

1048
00:54:30.000 --> 00:54:33.000
<v Speaker 1>then they'll move on to this game. But unfortunately, there

1049
00:54:33.079 --> 00:54:36.920
<v Speaker 1>are some companies out there that win. It's their turn.

1050
00:54:37.119 --> 00:54:39.000
<v Speaker 1>It's oh my god, this is great. Now we're going

1051
00:54:39.039 --> 00:54:41.119
<v Speaker 1>to expand. Now we're going to create three more games

1052
00:54:41.119 --> 00:54:44.840
<v Speaker 1>like Bungee's talking about. It's fantastic, And then that wave

1053
00:54:44.880 --> 00:54:46.800
<v Speaker 1>of gamers move on to the next thing and they

1054
00:54:46.840 --> 00:54:50.320
<v Speaker 1>go shut it down. We're screwed. Instead of all right,

1055
00:54:50.360 --> 00:54:52.280
<v Speaker 1>now you have to build to your next turn, and

1056
00:54:52.320 --> 00:54:56.400
<v Speaker 1>you have to budget wisely that you can survive the

1057
00:54:56.760 --> 00:54:59.400
<v Speaker 1>lower parts of those waves. What are games going to

1058
00:54:59.400 --> 00:55:01.719
<v Speaker 1>do next year when Grand Theft Auto six comes out

1059
00:55:02.000 --> 00:55:06.480
<v Speaker 1>and everyone's wave crashes down for at least three months

1060
00:55:06.480 --> 00:55:09.840
<v Speaker 1>because granted six takes all of the time.

1061
00:55:09.760 --> 00:55:13.920
<v Speaker 2>Or it may not because they Granted five Online was

1062
00:55:13.960 --> 00:55:16.119
<v Speaker 2>so huge they didn't even make the DLC for it.

1063
00:55:16.199 --> 00:55:21.840
<v Speaker 2>So imagine what Granted Thought was six one. It's like, yeah, well,

1064
00:55:21.880 --> 00:55:23.559
<v Speaker 2>I mean, you're gonna have people that are just gonna

1065
00:55:23.559 --> 00:55:26.000
<v Speaker 2>play the game. That's gonna cause a shutdown. It's also

1066
00:55:26.039 --> 00:55:28.679
<v Speaker 2>gonna bring more people into gaming, which that's what they want.

1067
00:55:28.880 --> 00:55:32.199
<v Speaker 2>Right between the Switch two and Granted Thought was six,

1068
00:55:32.239 --> 00:55:35.679
<v Speaker 2>that's what they're hoping is gonna save gaming. And yes,

1069
00:55:35.760 --> 00:55:37.480
<v Speaker 2>it sucks if the Swiss SEO did not come out

1070
00:55:37.480 --> 00:55:39.199
<v Speaker 2>this year because they were hoping that that was gonna

1071
00:55:39.400 --> 00:55:41.039
<v Speaker 2>come out this year and kind of be the big

1072
00:55:41.079 --> 00:55:43.800
<v Speaker 2>boon that. I don't know what's going on with the

1073
00:55:43.800 --> 00:55:45.960
<v Speaker 2>PS five pro. People were hoping that's gonna be the thing,

1074
00:55:46.000 --> 00:55:48.199
<v Speaker 2>and that still hasn't even been. I guess that's either

1075
00:55:48.280 --> 00:55:50.440
<v Speaker 2>gonna be Games Calm or Tokyo Game Show. We'll see,

1076
00:55:50.480 --> 00:55:53.599
<v Speaker 2>but which games commons in a couple of weeks. But

1077
00:55:54.000 --> 00:55:56.599
<v Speaker 2>you know, look, I don't want to keep beating a

1078
00:55:56.639 --> 00:55:59.760
<v Speaker 2>dead horse. I think we all know how almost anybody

1079
00:55:59.760 --> 00:56:01.639
<v Speaker 2>that I I don't know, I don't know too many

1080
00:56:01.679 --> 00:56:04.079
<v Speaker 2>people I know they are out there. I see them talking.

1081
00:56:04.360 --> 00:56:06.599
<v Speaker 2>I could probably get somebody on the show that is

1082
00:56:06.639 --> 00:56:09.679
<v Speaker 2>a huge like online gamer and loves this stuff. Well,

1083
00:56:09.800 --> 00:56:11.760
<v Speaker 2>most of the people that you know are on here

1084
00:56:11.800 --> 00:56:14.000
<v Speaker 2>with me. We're kind of feel that same kind of

1085
00:56:14.039 --> 00:56:16.920
<v Speaker 2>vibe of you know what, it's still single player games

1086
00:56:16.920 --> 00:56:18.719
<v Speaker 2>for us. You have your multiplayer games that you play

1087
00:56:18.760 --> 00:56:20.159
<v Speaker 2>like you know, then he plays and will be the

1088
00:56:20.159 --> 00:56:22.719
<v Speaker 2>show that's a multiplayer game that's still going on. You know.

1089
00:56:23.039 --> 00:56:25.079
<v Speaker 2>Yay college football. I'm sure it is gonna do great.

1090
00:56:25.159 --> 00:56:29.519
<v Speaker 2>Madden does amazing numbers online as well boards FC.

1091
00:56:29.960 --> 00:56:35.079
<v Speaker 1>So yeah, listen, I'm forty. I know you're getting your forty.

1092
00:56:35.519 --> 00:56:38.519
<v Speaker 1>We've aged out for the most part, our generation has

1093
00:56:38.559 --> 00:56:42.000
<v Speaker 1>aged out of the online gaming circles. There's obviously still

1094
00:56:42.039 --> 00:56:43.880
<v Speaker 1>some that that that go around. I don't want to

1095
00:56:43.960 --> 00:56:47.679
<v Speaker 1>paint a broad brush on our generation, but then you

1096
00:56:47.719 --> 00:56:51.159
<v Speaker 1>look at my son's generation. He's sixteen years old. All

1097
00:56:51.239 --> 00:56:54.480
<v Speaker 1>he doesn't play a single player game, but all he

1098
00:56:54.559 --> 00:56:59.639
<v Speaker 1>plays is Minecraft and Roadblocks and those style of games,

1099
00:57:00.119 --> 00:57:03.119
<v Speaker 1>and he's not getting into all of these games that

1100
00:57:03.159 --> 00:57:07.159
<v Speaker 1>are trying to take over those realms. So obviously there's

1101
00:57:07.239 --> 00:57:10.599
<v Speaker 1>a twenty plus year gap of other generations that you're

1102
00:57:10.639 --> 00:57:14.039
<v Speaker 1>trying to catch on to and other styles of gamers.

1103
00:57:14.079 --> 00:57:17.639
<v Speaker 1>But it's a different, a difficult world to get a

1104
00:57:17.639 --> 00:57:21.840
<v Speaker 1>life service game to come in and stick and stay

1105
00:57:22.039 --> 00:57:25.679
<v Speaker 1>long term because there's only so many of those games

1106
00:57:25.679 --> 00:57:28.039
<v Speaker 1>that can stay on those pedestals, and most of them

1107
00:57:28.159 --> 00:57:29.199
<v Speaker 1>have been taken up.

1108
00:57:29.559 --> 00:57:34.000
<v Speaker 2>And then nobody anyway. That's this is why Microsoft's trying

1109
00:57:34.039 --> 00:57:36.119
<v Speaker 2>to get into the which you know, I'm going ahead

1110
00:57:36.159 --> 00:57:38.199
<v Speaker 2>and go into the next thing. That's why Microsoft's trying

1111
00:57:38.239 --> 00:57:41.280
<v Speaker 2>so hard to get into mobile gaming because what's still

1112
00:57:41.320 --> 00:57:44.480
<v Speaker 2>around that they own now Candy quis So and all

1113
00:57:44.519 --> 00:57:48.639
<v Speaker 2>the other king owned things that they now own. So like,

1114
00:57:49.280 --> 00:57:51.079
<v Speaker 2>that's that's why they're trying so hard to get into

1115
00:57:51.079 --> 00:57:54.800
<v Speaker 2>that set because those are automatic, automatic moneymakers that they get.

1116
00:57:54.800 --> 00:57:56.199
<v Speaker 2>This is why they're trying so hard with Call of

1117
00:57:56.239 --> 00:58:01.559
<v Speaker 2>Duty automatic moneymaker, right like, So that's what this is.

1118
00:58:01.760 --> 00:58:04.400
<v Speaker 2>This is why we're going into that direction, which you know,

1119
00:58:04.440 --> 00:58:07.840
<v Speaker 2>we all don't like us old school gamers are not

1120
00:58:07.880 --> 00:58:10.880
<v Speaker 2>big fans of it, but you can see why it's

1121
00:58:10.960 --> 00:58:13.320
<v Speaker 2>turning that way, and it is working for some folks.

1122
00:58:13.400 --> 00:58:15.960
<v Speaker 2>It's not working for everybody. And that's the thing. You're

1123
00:58:16.000 --> 00:58:19.079
<v Speaker 2>gonna have a lot more misses than hits, and forevery

1124
00:58:19.199 --> 00:58:21.280
<v Speaker 2>like my daughter likes to play among us in roadblocks,

1125
00:58:21.320 --> 00:58:22.679
<v Speaker 2>you know, those are her things. And those are two

1126
00:58:23.159 --> 00:58:26.440
<v Speaker 2>concurrent multiplayer games you gotta play all the time with

1127
00:58:26.480 --> 00:58:28.280
<v Speaker 2>your friends or whatever. You can get off of it

1128
00:58:28.280 --> 00:58:30.880
<v Speaker 2>and play something else or do something else. It's not

1129
00:58:31.039 --> 00:58:34.199
<v Speaker 2>this like uh, they're also not games that you got

1130
00:58:34.320 --> 00:58:36.840
<v Speaker 2>to feel like, oh man, I lost it. If. That's

1131
00:58:36.880 --> 00:58:39.320
<v Speaker 2>the problem with Destiny too as well, right is it's

1132
00:58:39.360 --> 00:58:41.199
<v Speaker 2>a it's sort of an MMO that they don't call

1133
00:58:41.239 --> 00:58:44.039
<v Speaker 2>an mmo. Is if you stop playing for a while,

1134
00:58:44.119 --> 00:58:46.199
<v Speaker 2>guess what happens, You're out of it. You can you

1135
00:58:46.280 --> 00:58:50.239
<v Speaker 2>no longer can play online or whatnot. So it's like

1136
00:58:50.920 --> 00:58:53.280
<v Speaker 2>that's an issue too. People don't have all that time

1137
00:58:53.320 --> 00:58:55.760
<v Speaker 2>to keep playing this game that goes on forever, and

1138
00:58:55.800 --> 00:58:59.559
<v Speaker 2>you lose it if you don't keep playing. So I

1139
00:58:59.559 --> 00:59:03.880
<v Speaker 2>think that by itself loses people as well. Whereas I

1140
00:59:03.920 --> 00:59:05.800
<v Speaker 2>think like something like Whole divers two works so well

1141
00:59:05.840 --> 00:59:07.360
<v Speaker 2>because it is a game that you can pop in

1142
00:59:07.400 --> 00:59:11.119
<v Speaker 2>with friends play and then you go on about your

1143
00:59:11.159 --> 00:59:12.719
<v Speaker 2>merry way, and then you can come in the next

1144
00:59:12.719 --> 00:59:16.519
<v Speaker 2>weekend and play again, you know whatever. But and and

1145
00:59:16.599 --> 00:59:19.239
<v Speaker 2>those games don't go away, like Fortnite, Call of Duty,

1146
00:59:19.239 --> 00:59:21.000
<v Speaker 2>all that they keep going black. Op six is about

1147
00:59:21.000 --> 00:59:22.280
<v Speaker 2>to come out in a couple months and that thing's

1148
00:59:22.320 --> 00:59:26.239
<v Speaker 2>gonna blow everyone out of the water again. So like

1149
00:59:27.079 --> 00:59:29.440
<v Speaker 2>that's the thing is, there's only so much pie to

1150
00:59:29.480 --> 00:59:32.920
<v Speaker 2>go around as uh as as you know, our friend

1151
00:59:32.920 --> 00:59:37.599
<v Speaker 2>the Rock would say, it's uh, it's It's something that

1152
00:59:37.639 --> 00:59:40.880
<v Speaker 2>Microsoft is also trying to get into with with game

1153
00:59:40.920 --> 00:59:45.760
<v Speaker 2>pass right. They're they're going into the subscription model. And

1154
00:59:46.079 --> 00:59:48.960
<v Speaker 2>never has there been more apparent than what's happening with

1155
00:59:49.159 --> 00:59:54.119
<v Speaker 2>their their Xbox console sales, which took a fort dip

1156
00:59:54.800 --> 00:59:57.679
<v Speaker 2>again for like the cause. I mean, they they rose

1157
00:59:57.760 --> 01:00:00.039
<v Speaker 2>up during like the holiday quarter, but after that a

1158
01:00:00.679 --> 01:00:04.800
<v Speaker 2>flatline basically, And all they're talking about is how much

1159
01:00:04.840 --> 01:00:07.840
<v Speaker 2>they went up in revenue for services and all that,

1160
01:00:07.880 --> 01:00:11.280
<v Speaker 2>which went up like sixty one percent, and then their

1161
01:00:11.280 --> 01:00:13.400
<v Speaker 2>gaming revenue went up. But you got to take off

1162
01:00:13.480 --> 01:00:16.519
<v Speaker 2>like forty four percent of that for or it's like

1163
01:00:16.559 --> 01:00:19.880
<v Speaker 2>forty eight percent, So they'd only be they'd be like

1164
01:00:20.000 --> 01:00:22.119
<v Speaker 2>down four percent if it wasn't for Activisi Blizard. But

1165
01:00:22.159 --> 01:00:24.559
<v Speaker 2>guess what they own them now, So whether you want

1166
01:00:24.599 --> 01:00:26.440
<v Speaker 2>to take them out of the numbers or not. That's

1167
01:00:26.480 --> 01:00:29.440
<v Speaker 2>your yes', your prerogative, but they are owned by Microsoft now,

1168
01:00:29.480 --> 01:00:31.599
<v Speaker 2>so they have a right to put them into the

1169
01:00:31.719 --> 01:00:33.639
<v Speaker 2>numbers that they want to. The whole point of this

1170
01:00:33.760 --> 01:00:36.280
<v Speaker 2>is that Amy Hood went out during a Q and

1171
01:00:36.320 --> 01:00:39.599
<v Speaker 2>A session of it. She was asked, like, where do

1172
01:00:39.800 --> 01:00:42.960
<v Speaker 2>xbos console sales factor into this? And she says that

1173
01:00:43.079 --> 01:00:46.519
<v Speaker 2>basically what they care more about is rising up in

1174
01:00:46.599 --> 01:00:52.079
<v Speaker 2>services and having games to basically further those services and

1175
01:00:52.159 --> 01:00:55.400
<v Speaker 2>keep growing those services. She doesn't really talk about that.

1176
01:00:55.440 --> 01:00:58.679
<v Speaker 2>They want to continue to grow in the console space,

1177
01:00:59.519 --> 01:01:03.119
<v Speaker 2>which is they've introduced the firestick, and they have cloud

1178
01:01:03.280 --> 01:01:06.760
<v Speaker 2>and they've they've made these other Xbox game pass tiers,

1179
01:01:07.719 --> 01:01:14.079
<v Speaker 2>because it's all about making game pass grow, right, whereas

1180
01:01:14.119 --> 01:01:17.440
<v Speaker 2>Sony and Nintendo are proving the opposite, right, Whereas they're

1181
01:01:17.480 --> 01:01:20.840
<v Speaker 2>more still about the console and the consoles are maybe

1182
01:01:20.880 --> 01:01:24.719
<v Speaker 2>PlayStations is not selling necessarily as much as they were

1183
01:01:24.800 --> 01:01:27.639
<v Speaker 2>at the beginning. They're eventually going to hit a plateau.

1184
01:01:27.760 --> 01:01:29.639
<v Speaker 2>The Swisses obviously hit a plateau, but that is a

1185
01:01:29.719 --> 01:01:33.039
<v Speaker 2>much older system at this point. You know, we're older,

1186
01:01:33.519 --> 01:01:36.239
<v Speaker 2>so we come from that old school of okay, you

1187
01:01:36.320 --> 01:01:39.639
<v Speaker 2>service the console. This is what this is for, you know,

1188
01:01:40.159 --> 01:01:42.599
<v Speaker 2>game Pass is kind of like we're going more towards

1189
01:01:42.599 --> 01:01:45.559
<v Speaker 2>the movie and TV part of it, of like, hey,

1190
01:01:45.679 --> 01:01:50.400
<v Speaker 2>subscribe your thing, play your games, do whatever. Do you

1191
01:01:50.440 --> 01:01:52.960
<v Speaker 2>think that if you're a console person at this point,

1192
01:01:52.960 --> 01:01:56.559
<v Speaker 2>if your Xbox only console owner, like, do you worry

1193
01:01:56.599 --> 01:01:59.239
<v Speaker 2>now about are we just gonna get the point when

1194
01:01:59.239 --> 01:02:02.960
<v Speaker 2>there's an Xbox all because this just keeps going down, or.

1195
01:02:03.480 --> 01:02:07.320
<v Speaker 1>Maybe eventually if they can get the technology to work

1196
01:02:07.400 --> 01:02:12.039
<v Speaker 1>and internet works better all over the world, where you know,

1197
01:02:12.159 --> 01:02:14.960
<v Speaker 1>you can actually stream these games. I've said it many

1198
01:02:14.960 --> 01:02:17.679
<v Speaker 1>times because we have this conversation that seems like every

1199
01:02:17.719 --> 01:02:20.599
<v Speaker 1>time I'm on because they continue to bring out more

1200
01:02:20.639 --> 01:02:23.119
<v Speaker 1>and more news about it. But they want it to

1201
01:02:23.159 --> 01:02:24.960
<v Speaker 1>be able where you can stream the games off of

1202
01:02:25.000 --> 01:02:28.079
<v Speaker 1>a different console onto your TV and then play it

1203
01:02:28.079 --> 01:02:31.840
<v Speaker 1>that way. I live in an area that's absolutely impossible

1204
01:02:32.119 --> 01:02:34.880
<v Speaker 1>to do. I mean, PlayStation doesn't, Xbox does it. And

1205
01:02:34.920 --> 01:02:36.360
<v Speaker 1>that's kind of what they want to do with the

1206
01:02:36.400 --> 01:02:39.199
<v Speaker 1>firestick is like, hey plug this in. All you need

1207
01:02:39.280 --> 01:02:43.159
<v Speaker 1>is a controller, sign up to our subscription service, and

1208
01:02:43.199 --> 01:02:46.840
<v Speaker 1>then move on. And a lot of people bag on

1209
01:02:46.920 --> 01:02:49.599
<v Speaker 1>Microsoft board. I'm not a Microsoft guy, but I don't

1210
01:02:49.719 --> 01:02:52.920
<v Speaker 1>because they're trying to go in a different direction than

1211
01:02:53.079 --> 01:02:56.519
<v Speaker 1>Nintendo and Sony, and I think when right now you're

1212
01:02:56.559 --> 01:02:58.559
<v Speaker 1>in third place in this battle, that's what you need

1213
01:02:58.599 --> 01:03:02.199
<v Speaker 1>to do is shift and then find a different avenue.

1214
01:03:02.199 --> 01:03:04.360
<v Speaker 1>They still have the consoles for those of us that

1215
01:03:04.800 --> 01:03:07.760
<v Speaker 1>want them, but they're trying to find different ways to

1216
01:03:07.880 --> 01:03:11.840
<v Speaker 1>reach people that don't want to buy this console to

1217
01:03:11.880 --> 01:03:15.159
<v Speaker 1>be able to still get into their game Pass subscription

1218
01:03:15.239 --> 01:03:19.079
<v Speaker 1>service and then forget they had it and then just

1219
01:03:19.199 --> 01:03:22.840
<v Speaker 1>bring in monthly revenue every cent year. Like subscription services

1220
01:03:22.880 --> 01:03:27.400
<v Speaker 1>have just gone way off the charts as far as ridiculousness,

1221
01:03:27.400 --> 01:03:31.000
<v Speaker 1>I don't know. Again, I'm in the sports media side

1222
01:03:31.000 --> 01:03:32.679
<v Speaker 1>of things again. I don't know if you've seen the

1223
01:03:32.760 --> 01:03:38.119
<v Speaker 1>new Combination Sports thing that's like forty three dollars a.

1224
01:03:38.199 --> 01:03:40.280
<v Speaker 2>Month, right you knew or whatever?

1225
01:03:40.400 --> 01:03:44.280
<v Speaker 1>Yet, Yeah, we are surpassed. Like we all cut cable

1226
01:03:44.639 --> 01:03:48.920
<v Speaker 1>because it got too expensive. Now all the streaming services

1227
01:03:49.000 --> 01:03:52.760
<v Speaker 1>are getting too expensive and they've spread out so much

1228
01:03:52.840 --> 01:03:55.280
<v Speaker 1>that by the time you get the things that you

1229
01:03:55.440 --> 01:03:58.679
<v Speaker 1>want to cover the interest you have, it it's because

1230
01:03:58.760 --> 01:04:02.000
<v Speaker 1>like we've ruined things like let's go back to basic

1231
01:04:02.079 --> 01:04:05.519
<v Speaker 1>cable where it was just simple. Now it we've complicated things.

1232
01:04:05.679 --> 01:04:07.960
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, it is getting to the point where you could

1233
01:04:08.039 --> 01:04:12.239
<v Speaker 2>literally probably like lower your Internet a little bit. I mean,

1234
01:04:12.239 --> 01:04:14.400
<v Speaker 2>I have a gig internet here, but I could probably

1235
01:04:14.480 --> 01:04:17.119
<v Speaker 2>like lower it to like five hundred. I need the

1236
01:04:17.119 --> 01:04:19.079
<v Speaker 2>gig internet for like what we do here with the

1237
01:04:19.079 --> 01:04:22.039
<v Speaker 2>streaming all that. But like if I lowered it enough,

1238
01:04:22.159 --> 01:04:24.239
<v Speaker 2>I could get a package where I got all of

1239
01:04:24.239 --> 01:04:28.199
<v Speaker 2>the cable channels that I need and still pay less

1240
01:04:28.360 --> 01:04:31.360
<v Speaker 2>than if I went and got YouTube TV and all

1241
01:04:31.360 --> 01:04:34.559
<v Speaker 2>this other stuff and and like, because that's the problem

1242
01:04:34.599 --> 01:04:36.639
<v Speaker 2>with like the ve new one, right, You're still missing

1243
01:04:36.880 --> 01:04:39.480
<v Speaker 2>NBC and CBS to get all your because then then

1244
01:04:39.519 --> 01:04:42.239
<v Speaker 2>you have to subscribe to they're they're streaming services as well.

1245
01:04:42.480 --> 01:04:45.800
<v Speaker 2>So it's like that's that's the problem. At least Xbox

1246
01:04:45.880 --> 01:04:49.039
<v Speaker 2>for the gaming side of it is a one stop

1247
01:04:49.079 --> 01:04:52.199
<v Speaker 2>shop for Microsoft stuff and thirty Party stuff and twenty

1248
01:04:52.199 --> 01:04:54.119
<v Speaker 2>bucks a month to me is still not in the

1249
01:04:54.199 --> 01:04:57.760
<v Speaker 2>bad section of it. To get all the stuff that

1250
01:04:57.760 --> 01:05:00.760
<v Speaker 2>they get or you get with it, it's still not bad.

1251
01:05:00.800 --> 01:05:02.840
<v Speaker 2>The problem is when you when you hear things like

1252
01:05:03.559 --> 01:05:08.039
<v Speaker 2>Soccer two delayed now avowed has been delayed to February

1253
01:05:08.440 --> 01:05:11.800
<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty four so far, the one game that has

1254
01:05:11.840 --> 01:05:15.039
<v Speaker 2>come out this entire year, Help A two kind of

1255
01:05:15.119 --> 01:05:18.239
<v Speaker 2>underwhelming for a lot of people. You suppose you still

1256
01:05:18.280 --> 01:05:20.599
<v Speaker 2>have Indiana Jones. We don't know if that's what they're

1257
01:05:20.599 --> 01:05:23.519
<v Speaker 2>gonna come out this year or not. Soccer to supposed

1258
01:05:23.519 --> 01:05:25.239
<v Speaker 2>you going to come out in November. But that's also

1259
01:05:25.400 --> 01:05:27.480
<v Speaker 2>like they don't own that. In three months, it's gonna

1260
01:05:27.480 --> 01:05:32.880
<v Speaker 2>go somewhere else. I forgot that what white stimulator. That's

1261
01:05:32.880 --> 01:05:35.559
<v Speaker 2>not a that's a niche thing, that's not gonna uh

1262
01:05:36.320 --> 01:05:38.159
<v Speaker 2>age of mythology is also a niche thing. It's not

1263
01:05:38.159 --> 01:05:40.519
<v Speaker 2>gonna do that. It's gonna do okay, but it's not

1264
01:05:40.559 --> 01:05:43.239
<v Speaker 2>gonna bring everybody here or a history un told same thing.

1265
01:05:43.800 --> 01:05:47.400
<v Speaker 2>So like the main driver you have right now is

1266
01:05:47.440 --> 01:05:49.719
<v Speaker 2>you better hope to God. Call of duty during brings

1267
01:05:49.760 --> 01:05:52.599
<v Speaker 2>people to like end mass a game pass, And the

1268
01:05:52.639 --> 01:05:55.239
<v Speaker 2>problem is that how many people are just gonna buy

1269
01:05:55.280 --> 01:05:57.320
<v Speaker 2>the game and not even subscribe a game pass. So

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01:05:57.360 --> 01:05:59.199
<v Speaker 2>it's like like then.

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01:05:59.119 --> 01:06:02.599
<v Speaker 1>You're getting Chetny Bock. I mean, yeah, that's that's the

1272
01:06:02.639 --> 01:06:04.639
<v Speaker 1>beauty of game passes. Like, well, I don't want to

1273
01:06:04.679 --> 01:06:07.159
<v Speaker 1>have game pass all right, that spends seventy bucks. Right, Well,

1274
01:06:07.199 --> 01:06:08.719
<v Speaker 1>I don't want to spend seventy bucks. Seventy bucks is

1275
01:06:08.760 --> 01:06:11.719
<v Speaker 1>too much, all right, then subscribe to game passes twenty bucks.

1276
01:06:11.840 --> 01:06:14.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, and you can you can stop subscribing the next

1277
01:06:14.440 --> 01:06:16.159
<v Speaker 2>month if you don't want to pay Call of Due anymore.

1278
01:06:16.199 --> 01:06:18.519
<v Speaker 1>So it's absolutely I mean, so it's one of those

1279
01:06:18.559 --> 01:06:21.519
<v Speaker 1>things that obviously game Pass is doing fine enough for

1280
01:06:21.639 --> 01:06:25.159
<v Speaker 1>Microsoft that they can go in this different direction and

1281
01:06:25.159 --> 01:06:29.679
<v Speaker 1>not really push console sales and they're not pushing games

1282
01:06:29.719 --> 01:06:33.320
<v Speaker 1>out early that become buggy messes just to try to

1283
01:06:33.360 --> 01:06:37.119
<v Speaker 1>get something on game Pass. So obviously, right, as much

1284
01:06:37.119 --> 01:06:40.079
<v Speaker 1>as it's frustrating as a gamer, business wise, it sounds

1285
01:06:40.079 --> 01:06:42.800
<v Speaker 1>like it's doing just fine for them. The way things

1286
01:06:42.840 --> 01:06:43.719
<v Speaker 1>are going now.

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01:06:43.760 --> 01:06:46.000
<v Speaker 2>That basicometer is going to be that it's gonna be

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01:06:46.000 --> 01:06:48.519
<v Speaker 2>called Duty. How many how many people can you get

1289
01:06:48.559 --> 01:06:50.840
<v Speaker 2>to subscribe with just Call of Duty? Because that's going

1290
01:06:50.880 --> 01:06:53.039
<v Speaker 2>to be your main game that you're going to push

1291
01:06:53.079 --> 01:06:55.079
<v Speaker 2>people to in a couple of months. Like all these

1292
01:06:55.119 --> 01:06:57.320
<v Speaker 2>all this little indie stuff is nice and whatever, but

1293
01:06:57.400 --> 01:06:59.239
<v Speaker 2>you know it's not going to draw people to subscribe.

1294
01:06:59.679 --> 01:07:01.800
<v Speaker 1>But that the whole thing on top of that is

1295
01:07:01.840 --> 01:07:05.840
<v Speaker 1>to try to spread things out and hopefully have enough

1296
01:07:05.880 --> 01:07:07.599
<v Speaker 1>of them where it's not spread out like it used

1297
01:07:07.639 --> 01:07:10.760
<v Speaker 1>to be with microsoftware as one game every year, but

1298
01:07:10.760 --> 01:07:14.679
<v Speaker 1>where you can have a pretty heavy hitter once a

1299
01:07:14.679 --> 01:07:17.719
<v Speaker 1>month every two months that keeps you going. All right,

1300
01:07:17.760 --> 01:07:19.039
<v Speaker 1>I have to have game Pass because I want to

1301
01:07:19.039 --> 01:07:21.639
<v Speaker 1>try this game. I mean, that's past the point you

1302
01:07:21.719 --> 01:07:23.920
<v Speaker 1>live off of I have subscribed to the game Pass

1303
01:07:24.000 --> 01:07:26.559
<v Speaker 1>and I forgot right, that's how you live.

1304
01:07:26.559 --> 01:07:28.920
<v Speaker 2>Well and and if you're an actual like that's my

1305
01:07:29.039 --> 01:07:31.760
<v Speaker 2>thing again about the whole like playing one game and

1306
01:07:31.840 --> 01:07:34.480
<v Speaker 2>that's all you do. Like Game Past is not for

1307
01:07:34.519 --> 01:07:36.360
<v Speaker 2>people to play one game and that's all you do, Like,

1308
01:07:36.400 --> 01:07:38.960
<v Speaker 2>it's for the people that are actually I want to

1309
01:07:38.960 --> 01:07:42.480
<v Speaker 2>play different games, right, and I want to get It's

1310
01:07:42.480 --> 01:07:45.440
<v Speaker 2>like Netflix, you have like your everything you know, and

1311
01:07:45.760 --> 01:07:48.440
<v Speaker 2>oh hey, I'm going to play this Kinitzugami game because

1312
01:07:48.599 --> 01:07:50.239
<v Speaker 2>it may not be my kind of game, but it's

1313
01:07:50.440 --> 01:07:52.880
<v Speaker 2>I have this service. Why not? Right, that's what they're

1314
01:07:52.920 --> 01:07:55.239
<v Speaker 2>banking on as well, Right, we're paying all this money

1315
01:07:55.280 --> 01:07:57.239
<v Speaker 2>is for you to oh why not? And then you

1316
01:07:57.440 --> 01:08:00.480
<v Speaker 2>what if they put super supermarket simulator on there, people

1317
01:08:00.480 --> 01:08:02.079
<v Speaker 2>are gonna let go nuts in and play it on

1318
01:08:02.119 --> 01:08:04.360
<v Speaker 2>it I mean they it's actually been good about getting

1319
01:08:04.360 --> 01:08:06.159
<v Speaker 2>those SIM games on there a lot because they know

1320
01:08:06.199 --> 01:08:10.440
<v Speaker 2>it'll attract people to go on there. But like, that's

1321
01:08:10.119 --> 01:08:13.320
<v Speaker 2>my thing is I worry about to what point do

1322
01:08:13.440 --> 01:08:15.519
<v Speaker 2>we get to where you might as well just say

1323
01:08:15.559 --> 01:08:17.960
<v Speaker 2>you're a third party publisher and stop with this nonsense

1324
01:08:18.119 --> 01:08:21.159
<v Speaker 2>of the we're still the console maker and all that

1325
01:08:21.199 --> 01:08:24.159
<v Speaker 2>stuff and stop. I mean, I know Phil has said it,

1326
01:08:24.439 --> 01:08:27.199
<v Speaker 2>but the problem is that Xbox has so much Oh,

1327
01:08:27.399 --> 01:08:29.760
<v Speaker 2>somebody says this, and then Phil comes and says this,

1328
01:08:29.800 --> 01:08:32.039
<v Speaker 2>and then Satia says this, and then Amy Hood says this,

1329
01:08:32.119 --> 01:08:34.720
<v Speaker 2>and then what I'm pretty sure Phil is gonna come

1330
01:08:34.760 --> 01:08:38.039
<v Speaker 2>and contradict Amy Hood in like a month and say, oh, no,

1331
01:08:38.079 --> 01:08:40.840
<v Speaker 2>we still care about consoles and whatever. Look, they still

1332
01:08:40.880 --> 01:08:43.760
<v Speaker 2>care about the console. This is coming because right now,

1333
01:08:43.800 --> 01:08:47.399
<v Speaker 2>like you said, everything, game pess doesn't work without the

1334
01:08:47.439 --> 01:08:51.079
<v Speaker 2>console because almost everybody's subscribed through game Pass has it

1335
01:08:51.159 --> 01:08:54.239
<v Speaker 2>because they have an Xbox console. Because PC game Pass

1336
01:08:54.279 --> 01:09:00.720
<v Speaker 2>they're they're freaking dashboard. Their store sucks. Okay, most people

1337
01:09:00.760 --> 01:09:04.760
<v Speaker 2>can't stand having to use Xbox's PC game Pass. So

1338
01:09:05.800 --> 01:09:08.520
<v Speaker 2>that's the problem that you you already tried to get

1339
01:09:08.560 --> 01:09:11.640
<v Speaker 2>the console person to move over to Ultimate by basically

1340
01:09:11.640 --> 01:09:14.119
<v Speaker 2>telling them that, oh, now if you only have the

1341
01:09:14.159 --> 01:09:16.119
<v Speaker 2>console thing, you can still get your Day one games,

1342
01:09:16.159 --> 01:09:18.960
<v Speaker 2>but you won't get online. So like, let's force you

1343
01:09:19.039 --> 01:09:22.199
<v Speaker 2>to move over to Ultimate or drop game Pass whatever,

1344
01:09:22.880 --> 01:09:25.560
<v Speaker 2>Like let's let's basically say that we're just trying to

1345
01:09:25.600 --> 01:09:28.039
<v Speaker 2>improve game Pass and we don't necessarily care so much

1346
01:09:28.039 --> 01:09:30.279
<v Speaker 2>if the console. So now they're Microsoft, they can afford

1347
01:09:30.279 --> 01:09:33.600
<v Speaker 2>the hit maybe, but eventually, like does somebody go, yo,

1348
01:09:33.720 --> 01:09:37.079
<v Speaker 2>can we keep affording this hit? Can we keep just

1349
01:09:37.159 --> 01:09:39.640
<v Speaker 2>saying that this is it's gonna pay off in the

1350
01:09:39.680 --> 01:09:43.560
<v Speaker 2>long run, Like maybe we never get that technology, but

1351
01:09:43.640 --> 01:09:46.680
<v Speaker 2>what about the next shin after that? Are they saying

1352
01:09:46.680 --> 01:09:49.359
<v Speaker 2>that basically PlayStation is not gonna have a PlayStation seven?

1353
01:09:49.720 --> 01:09:52.199
<v Speaker 2>Is that what they're banking on? Then Nintendo's gonna be

1354
01:09:52.239 --> 01:09:54.359
<v Speaker 2>on their own little island, and then PlayStation is not

1355
01:09:54.399 --> 01:09:56.399
<v Speaker 2>gonna have a PlayStation seven, so we don't have to

1356
01:09:56.399 --> 01:09:59.600
<v Speaker 2>worry about it either, Like do you think that that's what?

1357
01:10:00.159 --> 01:10:02.359
<v Speaker 2>Are we going to get to that point where position sits?

1358
01:10:02.399 --> 01:10:04.119
<v Speaker 2>Then Xbox whatever is the last one.

1359
01:10:04.600 --> 01:10:07.840
<v Speaker 1>But I don't think for Microsoft they care what Sony

1360
01:10:08.039 --> 01:10:10.319
<v Speaker 1>system or if they're going to kind of go in

1361
01:10:10.319 --> 01:10:13.039
<v Speaker 1>the same route. I honestly, I think Microsoft wants Sony

1362
01:10:13.079 --> 01:10:16.319
<v Speaker 1>to continue just throwing out PlayStation and having their games

1363
01:10:16.439 --> 01:10:19.479
<v Speaker 1>stuck on a box while they're trying to do other stuff.

1364
01:10:20.199 --> 01:10:23.119
<v Speaker 1>I think they're trying. They have not hit those numbers

1365
01:10:23.159 --> 01:10:25.359
<v Speaker 1>where they can just go screw consoles. We're done with

1366
01:10:25.399 --> 01:10:28.720
<v Speaker 1>them yet, but I think still long term that's where

1367
01:10:28.720 --> 01:10:31.119
<v Speaker 1>they want to go. Phil Spencer has to continue to

1368
01:10:31.159 --> 01:10:33.720
<v Speaker 1>come out and say no, we care about consoles, because

1369
01:10:34.199 --> 01:10:36.199
<v Speaker 1>if they cut the consoles out and this is the

1370
01:10:36.279 --> 01:10:39.319
<v Speaker 1>last generation, the numbers are going to take a big

1371
01:10:39.359 --> 01:10:44.800
<v Speaker 1>dip because not enough people have conformed to the PC

1372
01:10:45.039 --> 01:10:48.319
<v Speaker 1>Realm or the fire Stick Realm. But that's obviously where

1373
01:10:48.479 --> 01:10:51.359
<v Speaker 1>they want things to go long term. Now do we

1374
01:10:51.399 --> 01:10:55.640
<v Speaker 1>see another generation of Microsoft consoles, Probably because we're not

1375
01:10:55.760 --> 01:11:00.840
<v Speaker 1>quite there yet, But in ten years fifteen, I think

1376
01:11:00.920 --> 01:11:04.439
<v Speaker 1>Microsoft would love to go, we're done with consoles. They're

1377
01:11:04.479 --> 01:11:08.960
<v Speaker 1>too expensive, and it's too costly for us, and it's

1378
01:11:08.960 --> 01:11:11.760
<v Speaker 1>too costly for Because that's why I just look into

1379
01:11:11.760 --> 01:11:14.199
<v Speaker 1>the future, this is going to be Microsoft's steal. Consoles

1380
01:11:14.199 --> 01:11:16.800
<v Speaker 1>are too costly for you, right for you to have

1381
01:11:16.840 --> 01:11:20.760
<v Speaker 1>to spend six hundred dollars on a PlayStation seven or

1382
01:11:20.840 --> 01:11:23.439
<v Speaker 1>seven hundred dollars on a PlayStation seven or how wild

1383
01:11:23.520 --> 01:11:25.520
<v Speaker 1>is going to get by that. It's like, that's too

1384
01:11:25.560 --> 01:11:30.399
<v Speaker 1>costly for you. So come to the Microsoft game Pass

1385
01:11:30.399 --> 01:11:34.520
<v Speaker 1>family and spend what sixty bucks on a firestick and

1386
01:11:34.560 --> 01:11:36.600
<v Speaker 1>you can play all our games. You don't have to

1387
01:11:36.600 --> 01:11:39.119
<v Speaker 1>spend seven hundred dollars to be able to then buy

1388
01:11:39.159 --> 01:11:41.439
<v Speaker 1>our games. You just buy this thing and then you

1389
01:11:41.479 --> 01:11:44.840
<v Speaker 1>can play our games with our subscriptions. That's where they

1390
01:11:44.880 --> 01:11:48.640
<v Speaker 1>want to get to. Unfortunately for them, technology hasn't quite

1391
01:11:49.199 --> 01:11:53.439
<v Speaker 1>gotten to that point. But to me, I buy all

1392
01:11:53.439 --> 01:11:56.920
<v Speaker 1>these consoles. But if we get to that ecosystem where

1393
01:11:56.920 --> 01:11:59.279
<v Speaker 1>one of the three main players, and it's going to

1394
01:11:59.319 --> 01:12:02.960
<v Speaker 1>be Microsoft, says we're done with consoles, we're moving to this,

1395
01:12:03.640 --> 01:12:05.760
<v Speaker 1>then salute to them and hopefully it works out, and

1396
01:12:05.760 --> 01:12:10.640
<v Speaker 1>hopefully I have the internet the technology capabilities at that

1397
01:12:10.680 --> 01:12:12.960
<v Speaker 1>point to be able to play their games on whatever

1398
01:12:13.039 --> 01:12:16.880
<v Speaker 1>service they go into. And gaming changes all the time, right,

1399
01:12:17.439 --> 01:12:19.800
<v Speaker 1>we used to be on cards, now we're on CDs.

1400
01:12:19.960 --> 01:12:24.479
<v Speaker 1>Now we're just digitally downloading. Most like, there's so many

1401
01:12:24.479 --> 01:12:27.520
<v Speaker 1>things where a small thing will change, and we have

1402
01:12:27.760 --> 01:12:31.399
<v Speaker 1>this immediate reaction every single time, this is the worst

1403
01:12:31.399 --> 01:12:34.640
<v Speaker 1>thing possible, And then about six months later we're like,

1404
01:12:34.960 --> 01:12:38.000
<v Speaker 1>how did we ever live without this? Yeah?

1405
01:12:38.399 --> 01:12:41.880
<v Speaker 2>I mean people, look, I love I love having holding

1406
01:12:41.920 --> 01:12:43.600
<v Speaker 2>something in my hand as much as the next person.

1407
01:12:43.600 --> 01:12:45.439
<v Speaker 2>I'm like that with books still, I do not read

1408
01:12:45.479 --> 01:12:49.960
<v Speaker 2>a book off of a screen. But with games, it

1409
01:12:50.039 --> 01:12:53.159
<v Speaker 2>became a matter of convenience. It helped that we got

1410
01:12:53.159 --> 01:12:55.279
<v Speaker 2>you know, digital review codes stuff like that, so it

1411
01:12:55.319 --> 01:12:57.560
<v Speaker 2>made it easier for us to start getting used to

1412
01:12:57.560 --> 01:12:59.439
<v Speaker 2>the fact that, Okay, we're just gonna put this code in.

1413
01:12:59.479 --> 01:13:01.720
<v Speaker 2>It's going to But it's nice that I can just

1414
01:13:01.800 --> 01:13:04.039
<v Speaker 2>press a button and here's all my games, right. I

1415
01:13:04.039 --> 01:13:06.600
<v Speaker 2>don't have to like go take the disc and put

1416
01:13:06.640 --> 01:13:09.920
<v Speaker 2>it in and take it out and make sure you're back.

1417
01:13:10.279 --> 01:13:12.239
<v Speaker 1>Microsoft had that thing where you can have five games

1418
01:13:12.279 --> 01:13:13.800
<v Speaker 1>going all at once and you just hit about to

1419
01:13:13.920 --> 01:13:15.479
<v Speaker 1>resume your old games exactly.

1420
01:13:15.640 --> 01:13:19.359
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, figure, yep, you know that will continue to be

1421
01:13:19.399 --> 01:13:21.800
<v Speaker 2>a thing for a long time. So we'll well, I'm

1422
01:13:21.840 --> 01:13:24.000
<v Speaker 2>sure next time we'll talk about it again, because I'm

1423
01:13:24.039 --> 01:13:28.720
<v Speaker 2>sure we'll go But uh uh. The last thing here

1424
01:13:28.920 --> 01:13:32.880
<v Speaker 2>is another kind of symptom that's been happening with with games.

1425
01:13:33.000 --> 01:13:35.279
<v Speaker 2>Is that I think we're getting to the point maybe

1426
01:13:35.279 --> 01:13:38.439
<v Speaker 2>we're just remastering too much stuff. We're just we're just

1427
01:13:38.479 --> 01:13:42.760
<v Speaker 2>going into the section of everything doesn't need a remaster.

1428
01:13:43.079 --> 01:13:45.479
<v Speaker 2>And maybe perhaps this has been shown off by the

1429
01:13:45.520 --> 01:13:49.319
<v Speaker 2>fact that Braid Anniversary Edition that came out. Was it

1430
01:13:49.520 --> 01:13:53.319
<v Speaker 2>not too long ago on May fourteen? Uh, it's a

1431
01:13:53.359 --> 01:13:56.279
<v Speaker 2>remaster of a well loved indie game, But it was

1432
01:13:56.319 --> 01:13:59.079
<v Speaker 2>also at a time when indie games were like indie

1433
01:13:59.159 --> 01:14:02.039
<v Speaker 2>console games, we're starting to be This was XBOS Live

1434
01:14:02.119 --> 01:14:04.920
<v Speaker 2>arcade time. This was when it was really starting to

1435
01:14:04.920 --> 01:14:08.760
<v Speaker 2>be cool to kind of be indie. But it was

1436
01:14:09.560 --> 01:14:11.359
<v Speaker 2>It's not like now where you have an indie all

1437
01:14:11.359 --> 01:14:15.960
<v Speaker 2>the time, right, So the game, like now, it's kind

1438
01:14:15.960 --> 01:14:18.479
<v Speaker 2>of a dumb a dozen, But back then this was huge.

1439
01:14:18.840 --> 01:14:21.159
<v Speaker 2>And so one of the new things is that there's

1440
01:14:21.199 --> 01:14:26.239
<v Speaker 2>a fifteen hour commentary track by Jonathan Blow, the creator

1441
01:14:26.279 --> 01:14:30.119
<v Speaker 2>of the game, and he is asked in various clips

1442
01:14:30.159 --> 01:14:34.359
<v Speaker 2>that I guess span different parts of time in this

1443
01:14:34.520 --> 01:14:37.279
<v Speaker 2>where he talks about basically he goes from I don't

1444
01:14:37.319 --> 01:14:40.239
<v Speaker 2>know anything about how much it sold, to it sold

1445
01:14:40.279 --> 01:14:44.079
<v Speaker 2>horribly thirty four days later to it sold decently. If

1446
01:14:44.119 --> 01:14:47.880
<v Speaker 2>you compare it to Steam Jeff Mintor's game or the

1447
01:14:47.880 --> 01:14:50.680
<v Speaker 2>Atari fifty thing like old stuff, right, that's kind of

1448
01:14:50.680 --> 01:14:55.079
<v Speaker 2>like making it look new but not anything based off

1449
01:14:55.079 --> 01:14:58.640
<v Speaker 2>of what you need for it to keep the studio going.

1450
01:15:00.079 --> 01:15:02.920
<v Speaker 2>And then he keeps going saying they've been utterly terrible

1451
01:15:03.039 --> 01:15:10.520
<v Speaker 2>sixty eight days later, and that sounds horrid, Like, you know,

1452
01:15:10.600 --> 01:15:12.199
<v Speaker 2>you come out with this remaster, spent a lot of

1453
01:15:12.239 --> 01:15:15.439
<v Speaker 2>time in this remaster, and then it doesn't sell anything

1454
01:15:15.560 --> 01:15:18.960
<v Speaker 2>close to what you wanted to sell, and then you're

1455
01:15:18.960 --> 01:15:21.880
<v Speaker 2>almost like regretting you've been bothering making it. And it

1456
01:15:21.880 --> 01:15:25.079
<v Speaker 2>feels like it's another symptom of some people feel like

1457
01:15:25.279 --> 01:15:28.800
<v Speaker 2>what's the point of even doing games journalism or being

1458
01:15:28.840 --> 01:15:31.960
<v Speaker 2>in games because I'm eventually just gonna get laid off

1459
01:15:32.119 --> 01:15:34.319
<v Speaker 2>or I'm eventually gonna be sitting there looking for work.

1460
01:15:35.640 --> 01:15:38.960
<v Speaker 2>I'm eventually gonna be sitting there without a studio because

1461
01:15:39.039 --> 01:15:42.279
<v Speaker 2>my game didn't sell at all, because there's these forever

1462
01:15:42.359 --> 01:15:46.600
<v Speaker 2>games that keep existing and nobody buys as many games

1463
01:15:46.640 --> 01:15:49.600
<v Speaker 2>anymore or whatever. They only buy the big game. Like,

1464
01:15:50.319 --> 01:15:53.039
<v Speaker 2>what do you think may have been the issue with

1465
01:15:53.720 --> 01:15:57.359
<v Speaker 2>Braves remaster not selling well enough and doesn't have a

1466
01:15:57.439 --> 01:16:00.199
<v Speaker 2>point about like maybe I shouldn't have done this.

1467
01:16:00.760 --> 01:16:02.840
<v Speaker 1>Well, I didn't even know this was a thing till

1468
01:16:02.920 --> 01:16:05.439
<v Speaker 1>last week when you know, the new stuff came out

1469
01:16:05.479 --> 01:16:07.079
<v Speaker 1>that it did not so well because I didn't know

1470
01:16:07.079 --> 01:16:08.800
<v Speaker 1>it was a thing. I didn't know it came out like,

1471
01:16:09.359 --> 01:16:12.039
<v Speaker 1>you got to promote the thing that you make. And

1472
01:16:12.079 --> 01:16:14.560
<v Speaker 1>that's something I always struggle with with with any of

1473
01:16:14.600 --> 01:16:17.880
<v Speaker 1>my projects, is promoting myself for promoting bad brackets. Go

1474
01:16:17.960 --> 01:16:22.439
<v Speaker 1>check out bad Bracket. But you got to be able

1475
01:16:22.439 --> 01:16:25.680
<v Speaker 1>to promote this stuff. And yes, times have changed where

1476
01:16:26.199 --> 01:16:30.159
<v Speaker 1>we don't need these kind of anniversary additions as much.

1477
01:16:30.600 --> 01:16:33.880
<v Speaker 1>It is a cash grab for companies. Hey throw it

1478
01:16:33.880 --> 01:16:36.640
<v Speaker 1>out there, try to get some money from it. It's

1479
01:16:36.640 --> 01:16:40.039
<v Speaker 1>not a lot of work, and this will help pay

1480
01:16:40.199 --> 01:16:42.640
<v Speaker 1>for this other game we're doing. But it sounds the

1481
01:16:42.680 --> 01:16:45.800
<v Speaker 1>exact opposite for Braid, where they put in a lot

1482
01:16:45.840 --> 01:16:47.800
<v Speaker 1>of work and they did a commentary track, and they

1483
01:16:47.800 --> 01:16:50.479
<v Speaker 1>did all this stuff, and they basically had to rebuild

1484
01:16:50.479 --> 01:16:52.840
<v Speaker 1>the game because I guess the assets didn't weren't able

1485
01:16:52.880 --> 01:16:54.840
<v Speaker 1>to shift over to the new gen stuff, so they

1486
01:16:54.840 --> 01:16:57.479
<v Speaker 1>basically just rebuild Braids. So they put a ton of

1487
01:16:57.520 --> 01:17:00.800
<v Speaker 1>work into it, but nobody knew it was a thing,

1488
01:17:00.840 --> 01:17:04.800
<v Speaker 1>and those that did didn't care enough to pay for it,

1489
01:17:04.840 --> 01:17:08.840
<v Speaker 1>and that had to It's one of those weird things. Again,

1490
01:17:09.119 --> 01:17:13.359
<v Speaker 1>I'm far away from the actual business side of gaming,

1491
01:17:13.479 --> 01:17:15.359
<v Speaker 1>but I would like to know how much you get

1492
01:17:15.840 --> 01:17:18.159
<v Speaker 1>for putting your game on a game Pass or a

1493
01:17:18.159 --> 01:17:22.720
<v Speaker 1>PlayStation Plus, because I think a great anniversary edition would

1494
01:17:22.720 --> 01:17:27.119
<v Speaker 1>have been fantastic to throw on one, if not both

1495
01:17:27.159 --> 01:17:30.880
<v Speaker 1>of those services and just get the payday from Sony

1496
01:17:31.319 --> 01:17:35.039
<v Speaker 1>and Microsoft and get the name out there for your

1497
01:17:35.079 --> 01:17:37.960
<v Speaker 1>companies so you can promote the next game that you have.

1498
01:17:40.119 --> 01:17:42.079
<v Speaker 1>As you talked about at the beginning of this podcast,

1499
01:17:42.119 --> 01:17:46.840
<v Speaker 1>like this is a PlayStation Plus basically uses their three

1500
01:17:46.880 --> 01:17:51.000
<v Speaker 1>games a month service to kind of reinvigorate a game

1501
01:17:51.600 --> 01:17:54.720
<v Speaker 1>or get you hyped because of this game for something

1502
01:17:54.800 --> 01:17:57.720
<v Speaker 1>else that they're doing or for that company. And it's

1503
01:17:57.720 --> 01:17:59.439
<v Speaker 1>just kind of how things go. It's not a day

1504
01:17:59.439 --> 01:18:02.239
<v Speaker 1>and date thing like Microsoft. So a, hey, you know,

1505
01:18:02.319 --> 01:18:04.399
<v Speaker 1>the creator of Braid has this game that they're trying

1506
01:18:04.439 --> 01:18:07.119
<v Speaker 1>to make. Do you remember Braid, Well, they did this

1507
01:18:07.239 --> 01:18:10.479
<v Speaker 1>really wonderful thing with all this new commentary stuff, and

1508
01:18:10.680 --> 01:18:13.520
<v Speaker 1>you throw it on there, and yes, you don't get

1509
01:18:13.640 --> 01:18:17.000
<v Speaker 1>as many sales, but hopefully you get a decent kick.

1510
01:18:16.680 --> 01:18:19.399
<v Speaker 2>But it does cover some of the sales that you

1511
01:18:19.439 --> 01:18:22.079
<v Speaker 2>weren't going to get, and maybe eventually he does make

1512
01:18:22.119 --> 01:18:24.279
<v Speaker 2>a deal, especially with Microsoft, where you know he did

1513
01:18:24.359 --> 01:18:28.119
<v Speaker 2>kind of start out there with the three sixties. So yeah,

1514
01:18:28.319 --> 01:18:31.039
<v Speaker 2>maybe that works out for him, I hope. So I

1515
01:18:31.079 --> 01:18:35.560
<v Speaker 2>hate hearing these stories about games, but honestly, look, I

1516
01:18:35.720 --> 01:18:39.920
<v Speaker 2>do the monthly Here's what's coming out this month thing

1517
01:18:40.039 --> 01:18:42.840
<v Speaker 2>for Last Word on Gaming every month, and I can't

1518
01:18:42.840 --> 01:18:46.359
<v Speaker 2>tell you how many times I'm going through and going, oh,

1519
01:18:46.399 --> 01:18:48.800
<v Speaker 2>this is a remaster. Oh, I have no idea this

1520
01:18:48.840 --> 01:18:54.159
<v Speaker 2>game it existed, okay, or a definitive edition, or like, okay,

1521
01:18:54.880 --> 01:18:56.840
<v Speaker 2>we kind of know about this because the Limited Run

1522
01:18:56.880 --> 01:19:00.199
<v Speaker 2>has their showcase that they do, and Mark loves a

1523
01:19:00.199 --> 01:19:01.800
<v Speaker 2>crap out of this game a tamba.

1524
01:19:02.439 --> 01:19:06.039
<v Speaker 1>Right, Yeah, I have not got it.

1525
01:19:07.000 --> 01:19:10.840
<v Speaker 2>I bet people that might buy that might sell more

1526
01:19:10.880 --> 01:19:14.439
<v Speaker 2>than Blow or not Blow, I might sell more than Braid.

1527
01:19:14.920 --> 01:19:18.600
<v Speaker 2>It's John. I'm getting the developer and the game computer.

1528
01:19:19.159 --> 01:19:22.359
<v Speaker 2>But there's also Star Wars Bounty Hunter remasters coming out

1529
01:19:23.000 --> 01:19:26.079
<v Speaker 2>the same freaking day. Uh. That's another one of those

1530
01:19:26.079 --> 01:19:29.479
<v Speaker 2>Aspire games. So take what you will, or it's already

1531
01:19:29.520 --> 01:19:31.359
<v Speaker 2>out by the way. I'm just I'm just bringing this up.

1532
01:19:32.359 --> 01:19:35.520
<v Speaker 2>Then you get more curious. Just a definitive edition, like

1533
01:19:35.560 --> 01:19:38.720
<v Speaker 2>I'm telling you guys, like a defenditive edition. A remaster

1534
01:19:38.920 --> 01:19:44.079
<v Speaker 2>or whatever comes out like constantly. Now it's not the

1535
01:19:44.279 --> 01:19:46.520
<v Speaker 2>special thing that it used to be. Fate State Night

1536
01:19:46.560 --> 01:19:50.319
<v Speaker 2>remaster comes out this week, yo, Like literally a remaster

1537
01:19:50.479 --> 01:19:52.479
<v Speaker 2>comes out every single week.

1538
01:19:52.880 --> 01:19:54.880
<v Speaker 1>So a remaster coming out.

1539
01:19:54.960 --> 01:19:57.720
<v Speaker 2>Yes, they've been doing that console, They've been remastering all

1540
01:19:57.760 --> 01:20:02.960
<v Speaker 2>those Semi Max now, you know. So it's like that's

1541
01:20:02.960 --> 01:20:08.479
<v Speaker 2>the thing is, you know. Unfortunately, unless you're a big deal,

1542
01:20:09.199 --> 01:20:11.319
<v Speaker 2>which you know again, Braid is kind of a big

1543
01:20:11.359 --> 01:20:15.720
<v Speaker 2>deal for back then, for you know, our generation of gamers,

1544
01:20:15.960 --> 01:20:19.279
<v Speaker 2>but not for the generation past us, right, they don't

1545
01:20:19.319 --> 01:20:22.319
<v Speaker 2>they don't care about that stuff. And I just don't

1546
01:20:22.359 --> 01:20:25.000
<v Speaker 2>think that there's nostalgia selves. But I just don't think

1547
01:20:25.000 --> 01:20:29.640
<v Speaker 2>there's enough nostalgia to warrant the amount of remasters that

1548
01:20:29.800 --> 01:20:33.800
<v Speaker 2>come out constantly. And just I feel like you never

1549
01:20:33.960 --> 01:20:38.520
<v Speaker 2>hear them talk about at all. And it's like, okay, yes,

1550
01:20:38.600 --> 01:20:43.600
<v Speaker 2>especially when you get like Nintendo coming out with remasters

1551
01:20:43.640 --> 01:20:46.159
<v Speaker 2>all the time, or you get Sony doing a second

1552
01:20:46.199 --> 01:20:48.960
<v Speaker 2>body of the Apple on PC with with their big

1553
01:20:49.000 --> 01:20:52.760
<v Speaker 2>games or whatever. It's like people only have enough money

1554
01:20:52.800 --> 01:20:56.199
<v Speaker 2>to go around, and I think, especially now when we're

1555
01:20:56.239 --> 01:21:00.760
<v Speaker 2>in a very constrained time period, these remasters perhaps are

1556
01:21:00.800 --> 01:21:04.840
<v Speaker 2>not like the best thing to go about unless you

1557
01:21:05.000 --> 01:21:07.159
<v Speaker 2>know for sure it is something that people have been

1558
01:21:07.199 --> 01:21:10.479
<v Speaker 2>clamoring for right and then thus they will buy it.

1559
01:21:10.520 --> 01:21:13.439
<v Speaker 2>But you know, I hate hearing that. I hate their

1560
01:21:13.439 --> 01:21:15.880
<v Speaker 2>Braid remaster did not do well, But I think we

1561
01:21:15.920 --> 01:21:17.439
<v Speaker 2>also shouldn't be that surprised.

1562
01:21:17.880 --> 01:21:20.479
<v Speaker 1>No, I'm not surprised at all. I'm with you. I'm

1563
01:21:20.479 --> 01:21:24.680
<v Speaker 1>a little disappointed. And I starting these masters that come out,

1564
01:21:25.159 --> 01:21:28.000
<v Speaker 1>and yes, this added the commentary stuff, but whereas just

1565
01:21:28.119 --> 01:21:32.560
<v Speaker 1>the one game, and it's like, okay, that's fine. I

1566
01:21:32.560 --> 01:21:34.279
<v Speaker 1>mean they did a lot of extra work to this.

1567
01:21:34.439 --> 01:21:37.479
<v Speaker 1>But I want to just sort something out there. Microsoft,

1568
01:21:37.479 --> 01:21:39.960
<v Speaker 1>if you're somehow listening to this and you're not tired

1569
01:21:40.000 --> 01:21:42.640
<v Speaker 1>of us, you know where Replay I thought did really

1570
01:21:42.720 --> 01:21:45.960
<v Speaker 1>well on the Xbox One. Can we get an Xbox

1571
01:21:46.159 --> 01:21:49.920
<v Speaker 1>Arcade replay to help out all these little indie developers.

1572
01:21:50.039 --> 01:21:51.520
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, ready to get going.

1573
01:21:51.960 --> 01:21:53.720
<v Speaker 1>So you get Super meat Boy, and you can get

1574
01:21:53.720 --> 01:21:56.800
<v Speaker 1>Braid and Limbo and all these games that really made

1575
01:21:56.920 --> 01:22:01.159
<v Speaker 1>Xbox ArKade that fantastic years ago, just one giant collection

1576
01:22:01.279 --> 01:22:03.039
<v Speaker 1>and then each of these little indie guys can and

1577
01:22:03.359 --> 01:22:05.960
<v Speaker 1>get a little bit of a kickback for it. Now

1578
01:22:06.039 --> 01:22:09.479
<v Speaker 1>that's something else. Fine because then you get a ton

1579
01:22:09.520 --> 01:22:11.359
<v Speaker 1>of games like you did replayed and you put the

1580
01:22:11.399 --> 01:22:13.640
<v Speaker 1>history of the games in it. I think that would

1581
01:22:13.680 --> 01:22:16.960
<v Speaker 1>be fantastic. But yeah, disappointing that this is just.

1582
01:22:17.359 --> 01:22:19.399
<v Speaker 2>I think it's also that even though the three Sea

1583
01:22:19.399 --> 01:22:23.079
<v Speaker 2>stores just shut down, Braid is available to be bought

1584
01:22:23.359 --> 01:22:26.840
<v Speaker 2>right the original brain so or you know, on some

1585
01:22:26.960 --> 01:22:31.159
<v Speaker 2>service probably, so it's like do I it's it's not

1586
01:22:31.239 --> 01:22:33.720
<v Speaker 2>one of these remasters where it's like okay, I can't

1587
01:22:33.720 --> 01:22:37.920
<v Speaker 2>buy it unless I buy this version, or it's not

1588
01:22:38.000 --> 01:22:43.479
<v Speaker 2>a significant upgrade to what already exists, so unless you

1589
01:22:43.600 --> 01:22:46.680
<v Speaker 2>just want to play it on switch for example, or

1590
01:22:46.840 --> 01:22:50.159
<v Speaker 2>you know something that it's not on. But I think

1591
01:22:50.199 --> 01:22:53.359
<v Speaker 2>that's a very small number, and unfortunately, it just it

1592
01:22:53.479 --> 01:22:56.479
<v Speaker 2>sucks to see that that happened. But since I was

1593
01:22:56.520 --> 01:22:59.840
<v Speaker 2>already talking about the games that are coming out this week,

1594
01:23:00.399 --> 01:23:03.239
<v Speaker 2>I guess really quick, so we can get out here,

1595
01:23:03.800 --> 01:23:07.479
<v Speaker 2>both of us have to go to work. What else

1596
01:23:07.760 --> 01:23:11.640
<v Speaker 2>is coming out this week. As I mentioned, the Face

1597
01:23:11.720 --> 01:23:14.439
<v Speaker 2>Day Night remaster is coming out. The Creatures of Ava,

1598
01:23:14.520 --> 01:23:17.920
<v Speaker 2>which is coming to game Pass, PC and Xbox, is

1599
01:23:17.920 --> 01:23:20.960
<v Speaker 2>that game that they showed off at that at the

1600
01:23:21.000 --> 01:23:25.960
<v Speaker 2>showcase that's like about can control of different animals or

1601
01:23:25.960 --> 01:23:32.920
<v Speaker 2>whatever and carrying them through this adventure game or whatnot.

1602
01:23:33.520 --> 01:23:36.359
<v Speaker 2>It looks really interesting. I might try it on game Pass,

1603
01:23:37.319 --> 01:23:40.000
<v Speaker 2>so you know, if that kind of struck your fancy,

1604
01:23:40.159 --> 01:23:44.720
<v Speaker 2>go for it. Cat Quest three, which honestly cat Quest

1605
01:23:44.720 --> 01:23:47.920
<v Speaker 2>two is really good, so I need to.

1606
01:23:47.880 --> 01:23:49.800
<v Speaker 1>Get back into cat Quest two. They put one in

1607
01:23:49.880 --> 01:23:55.239
<v Speaker 1>two both on the PlayStation, yes, and I platinumed cat

1608
01:23:55.319 --> 01:23:57.399
<v Speaker 1>Quest one and got into quack Quest two, which is

1609
01:23:57.600 --> 01:24:01.479
<v Speaker 1>harder for a little bit difficulty progress and I kind

1610
01:24:01.479 --> 01:24:04.720
<v Speaker 1>of got burnt out from the second one. But both

1611
01:24:04.880 --> 01:24:07.199
<v Speaker 1>both of those games are fantastic, So I'm excited to

1612
01:24:07.239 --> 01:24:08.680
<v Speaker 1>get into cat Quest three at some.

1613
01:24:09.439 --> 01:24:12.199
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, this one's a full on RPG with like ship combat,

1614
01:24:12.319 --> 01:24:15.399
<v Speaker 2>so this one maybe even up more up our alleys

1615
01:24:15.479 --> 01:24:20.880
<v Speaker 2>than the usual. You also get death Bound as well,

1616
01:24:20.920 --> 01:24:25.600
<v Speaker 2>which is like a multiplayer like co op action adventure game,

1617
01:24:25.840 --> 01:24:28.560
<v Speaker 2>so that might interest in people. There's also a demo

1618
01:24:29.319 --> 01:24:32.800
<v Speaker 2>available too for people. Steamwold Heists two, which another game

1619
01:24:32.840 --> 01:24:37.119
<v Speaker 2>that I would like, SteamWorld Heist, So I might look

1620
01:24:37.159 --> 01:24:40.319
<v Speaker 2>into this here. It looks like it's getting really good

1621
01:24:40.319 --> 01:24:44.000
<v Speaker 2>reviews as well, So if you like that first game,

1622
01:24:44.159 --> 01:24:49.439
<v Speaker 2>definitely go check this out for sure. And that Pokemon

1623
01:24:49.479 --> 01:24:53.479
<v Speaker 2>Mystery Dungeon Red Rescue that it's getting on the It's

1624
01:24:53.479 --> 01:24:55.520
<v Speaker 2>gonna be on switch Online, so if you have the

1625
01:24:55.680 --> 01:24:58.640
<v Speaker 2>GBA Switch Online, you can go pick that up too.

1626
01:24:59.199 --> 01:25:01.399
<v Speaker 2>And you know it's coming out to that Mandy we

1627
01:25:01.439 --> 01:25:05.479
<v Speaker 2>talked about earlier, Madden. Yeah, it's coming out, So thank you,

1628
01:25:05.560 --> 01:25:08.760
<v Speaker 2>you know. Yeah in the same here you no, thank you. Uh,

1629
01:25:08.880 --> 01:25:11.600
<v Speaker 2>they keep trying to push you with that, Oh we

1630
01:25:11.680 --> 01:25:13.960
<v Speaker 2>made a big deal about franchise Mode this year or whatever.

1631
01:25:13.960 --> 01:25:18.039
<v Speaker 2>It's like, yeah, no, you didn't. You didn't do much there.

1632
01:25:18.319 --> 01:25:20.439
<v Speaker 2>Keep telling me about Roger Goodell in the draft. That's

1633
01:25:20.520 --> 01:25:23.920
<v Speaker 2>that's the only not gonna sell me on that. But

1634
01:25:24.279 --> 01:25:27.640
<v Speaker 2>you know, thank you Randy for being on this week.

1635
01:25:28.119 --> 01:25:32.079
<v Speaker 2>I appreciate you. Mark should be back next week.

1636
01:25:32.439 --> 01:25:33.960
<v Speaker 1>One of these times I get on and not have

1637
01:25:34.000 --> 01:25:34.640
<v Speaker 1>to talk about.

1638
01:25:35.000 --> 01:25:38.399
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, hopefully not. Hopefully one of these times, uh, Rannie

1639
01:25:38.399 --> 01:25:40.079
<v Speaker 2>will be on on an episode that's not like a

1640
01:25:40.119 --> 01:25:42.920
<v Speaker 2>special one. And we'll get to talk about that. It's

1641
01:25:42.960 --> 01:25:47.520
<v Speaker 2>not about layoffs. And until next week, everybody, you hope

1642
01:25:47.560 --> 01:25:50.039
<v Speaker 2>you if you enjoy what you heard or watched, go

1643
01:25:50.359 --> 01:25:53.520
<v Speaker 2>like subscribe, follow all that stuff, go lack of subscribe,

1644
01:25:53.520 --> 01:25:56.760
<v Speaker 2>bad brackets on YouTube as well. Help out Randy there,

1645
01:25:57.319 --> 01:25:59.439
<v Speaker 2>and I'll see you next week later