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Speaker 1: Okay, Jason. While I agree that this podcast will be

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Speaker 1: And that is exactly why we need a triumphant video.

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Speaker 3: Excellent, Hello everybody, and welcome to the Surely You Can't

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Be Serious Podcast, discussing and debating the iconic and the

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forgotten of eighties and nineties.

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Speaker 1: Pop culture with your co hosts James D.

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Speaker 2: Graves and Jason Collibing.

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Speaker 1: Welcome everybody to the most Triumphant Surely you Can't Be

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Serious Podcast. A Ah, James D.

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Speaker 2: Graves esquire and I am Jason the Man Colvin and

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you are wild Stones. All right, greetings, my excellent friends.

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Let's get into this.

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Speaker 1: So we're going to talk today about Bill and Ted.

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We have two movies to talk about today and then,

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if all things go according to plan, you will be

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joining us next week and Bill and Ted Part three

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Face the music will have come out, and we will

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give you our most triumphant review of that excellent or

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bogus movie.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully it is a bodacious movie that we can share

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with the masses. I've been very, very anxious to see

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this one, been waiting since ninety one. Man, I'm all

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for it. Man, I'm more Bill and Ted, the better

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Speaker 1: So, I mean, honestly, with part three, we've got a

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ten year history to discuss. I mean, I know that

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everybody's wanted one for twenty thirty thirty nearly thirty years now, yeah,

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but I mean even that itself was in a spin

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there for for ten years. Since twenty ten, this has

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this thing been creeping along, and so we can we'll

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talk about that in a little while. But before we

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get there, let's let's start back, and let's talk about

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the history of the original Bill and Ted's excellent adventure.

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Speaker 2: Did you see this one in the theaters?

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Speaker 1: Yes? Okay? How old were you to see? This? Came

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out in eighty nine.

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Speaker 2: So February seventeenth of eighty nine.

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Speaker 1: So February seventeenth of eighty nine, then I would have

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Speaker 2: All right, Well, that's about the perfect age really.

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Speaker 2: I saw this one, yeah, on a double date that

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I think my mom dropped me off at the movie theater.

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It's one of those he min, can't you pick me

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up and pick up my girlfriend and drop us off?

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your mom said hi to her parents? Is hi waving?

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Your mom's really cute? Shut up there the prom shut

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um dead. I'll tell you I remember, honestly. I remember

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seeing the preview of this movie coming on TV and

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when when the line came out, who was Joan of

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arc and they go, Noah's wife. I thought, I've got

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to see this as soon as it comes out. I've

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got to see this movie. And you know, Back to

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the Future had just come out a few years previously

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in eighty five, and we were waiting with baited breath

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for Back to the Future Part two that same year

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in nineteen eighty yeah nine, yeah, and so another teenage

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time travel movie, Count me In, Man, count in all right.

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Speaker 2: So this was written by Ed Solomon and Chris Mathieson.

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They wrote the script by hand on notebook paper.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. It stemmed from a comedy routine that they had

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writing was he was the youngest member of the Writer's

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Guild at the time that he was writing, because he

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was writing for Laverne and Shirley. Wow, as crazy as

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Speaker 2: Richard Matheson wrote I Am Legend.

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whole movie. Man, that was huge advice.

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third guy that was Bob. It was Bill and Ted

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and Bob, but Bob kind of got tired of the

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idea pretty quick and so then it just became Bill

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and Ted. Which this wouldn't have worked as a three

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playwriting class together at UCLA. One of the guys in

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prominent guy, and they said in class their memory of

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something out of his butt that was better than anybody

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Speaker 1: I have to turn something in. All right, you go,

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by a long shot, he said, the funniest man he's

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ever met is at Sullivan, uh huh. And so they

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enjoyed each other's company, and they would go to this

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little improv club. He said. They had no real aspirations

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going to be, the time travel concept, they would meet

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on notebook paper talking to each other in a coffee

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shop over the course of four days. It's incredible the

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they realized, okay, well, there was another time travel movie

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it and went with a phone booth, which is weird

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the van. He's like this twenty eight year old guy

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the van. They're driving along and all of a sudden

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they're in Nazi Germany and they pick up Hitler in

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the van, and then they bring Hitler back to San Dimas,

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and you can see how politically that may not be

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Speaker 2: I'm not sure that well received.

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Speaker 1: Thick and Napoleon probably was a much better choice. You know,

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a little a little further away would be its good.

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Speaker 2: Napoleon is hilarious in this movie.

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Speaker 1: He's Australian with like Italian heritage. I mean he's he's

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not a French guy at all. But I always remember

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him as the guy who's in the bathtub during the Trumanship.

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Speaker 2: All right, okay, so.

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Speaker 1: This is I mean, this has always just kind of

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actually got fleshed out and came to the screen, which

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I've heard them talk about Part three. They didn't want

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to do this thing that would be a cash grab.

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do something that was true to the characters that they created.

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not going to betray them. So I have a lot

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integrity of the characters.

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Speaker 1: I love these characters.

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that they make an enjoyable movie. So I'm super excited.

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old boys, like just nerds.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, but once they cast.

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Speaker 2: Keanu Reeves and Alex Winter and they thought, eh, these

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Speaker 1: I mean, they're good looking guys, right, yeah, all the

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we are totally weak. I cannot possibly fight you.

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urban legend. I agree there was casting, there was auditioning.

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him to be Bill. Here's something that you can encourage

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your kids to be early or on time. So they

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had called several people back. I mean, they had auditioned

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hundreds of actors, and they had called people back to

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play with Ted to see who would be a good pairing.

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Harrison Ford and Mark Hamill. But as it turned out,

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Alex Winner was one of the first guys to show up.

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Keanu Reeves was already there and they started doing lines

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Speaker 2: Man, if you're not ten minutes earlier, you're late. That's

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that's a great story. I also, I've heard that Pauly

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Speaker 1: Right, I mean, because it's Pecoli, right, it's Spaccoli ten

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years it's Speccoli ten years later. I mean they are

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both Speacoli. Why would you have Sean Penn who is

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Speaker 1: From The Lost Boys. Yeah, immediately he's one of the

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that gets it. All. Right, let's talk a little bit

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since we're already kind of there, Let's talk a little

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bit about the casting in this movie. Okay, so you've

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got Alex Winter as Bill s Preston Esquire, Keanu Reeves

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as Ted Theodore Logan, which the only thing I knew

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about him before I saw a movie called The River's Edge,

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which is very very serious and dramatic and traumatic and

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sad and not funny at all.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and that had Crispin Glover from Back to the

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Speaker 2: Yes, yes, And it's about a guy murdering his girlfriend

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and the other teenagers cover up for him. I think

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Ione Sky is in it. It's it's a weird, sad,

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unfunny movie. And then you have Keanu Reeves just hits

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it out of the park with Ted Theodore Logan.

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Speaker 1: He did so well with this that he he said,

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for a while, I was worried that my tombstone would

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say Keanu Reeves he was Ted, And you.

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Speaker 2: Know, he very nearly was, because he did basically the

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same character in Parenthood after this, and then he slowly

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Speaker 4: Point break Yeah, johnnyah, boy freaking Johnny Utah. Yeah, he's

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a bad and then he's muscled up, he's surfing. Yeah,

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going to cover one of these days, yes, And then

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he jumps to the Matrix.

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Speaker 1: The Matrix. I mean, he's neo. He's been a part

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of so many franchises. I mean, he's got Bill and Ted.

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really I mean we used to I can remember kind

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of making fun of him as an actor. He was

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just kind of this, okay, really guy, but he's he

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is somebody who has made a name for himself. It

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's true. That's a good compression. Okay, So let's

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talk about Rufus for a.

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Speaker 1: Second, right. Rufus is played by George Carlin, who's a

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stand up comedian who has a fantastic bit on the

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words you can't say on the radio.

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Speaker 2: We'll not go through those words right here, because we're

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trying to stay family friendly.

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Speaker 1: Okay, well let's do it this way. Okay, It's okay.

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You can't say blank, and you can't say blank. You

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also can't say blank, you can't say blank, sucker, you

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can't say mother blank, you can't say blank, and you

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can't say tits.

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Speaker 2: So yes, so Rufus. George Carlin Alexa Wandro said that

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that was a happy accident. They were actually trying to

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get Sean Connery to play Rufus.

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Speaker 1: That had been all wrong. I mean I love Sean Conry,

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but no, not in this role. Yeah.

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Speaker 2: So they were just kind of sitting around. They're like, okay,

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we can't get Sean Connery. Who else will be good

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in this role? And somebody just tossed out the name

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what about George Carlin?

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Speaker 1: Okay, so he had just been in a movie called

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Outrageous Fortune. It was produced by the same guy who

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produced Bill and Ted's excellent Okay Adventure. Yeah, okay, so

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it was an easy Oh hey, George called George I know.

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Speaker 2: All right. So George Carlin is Rufus. Rufus is their

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mentor and their guide. He's also the one who shows

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up in the Circle, which to me, we're going to

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talk about the five greatest scenes in the movie, but

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the visit at the circle k when he shows up

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and says, gentlemen, I'm here to help you with your

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history project. And they're like, what you know when the

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Mongols ruled China? Perhaps we can ask them. Let's talk

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about Missy for a second. Okay, I don't know exactly

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how to pronounce her name, but her name is Amy

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Stock or Stotch. She plays Missy I mean mom, I

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mean Missy. She marries Bill's dad in the first one,

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she carries Ted's dad in the second one. And then

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I think somebody said that she ended up with Denomalos,

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the bad guy from Brogus Journey after.

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Speaker 1: That, Well I saw that. I don't know where it

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would have been, whether it was because they did. They

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had a few things that came about after Bogus Journey,

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Winter and Keanu Reeves and George Carlin voicing the cartoon character.

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That's awesome, and there is even a short like the

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and then the second season it wasn't them, and then

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they made a live action TV show that was the

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guys that voiced the cartoons after the original cast left.

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So I don't know if somewhere in all of that

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mess that she ends up with Denomalos or not, or

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if it's in this movie. Maybe it's in this movie

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that she ends up with Dynomalos because Dannomalos, that guy died.

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Who is that actor?

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Speaker 2: I can't remember his name, Joss Auckland.

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Speaker 1: Which I mean I know that you know him the

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same place I do, which is lethal weapon.

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Speaker 2: Two Diplomatic community.

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Speaker 5: It's been revoked, all right, So Missy is uh Bill's

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stepmom and every time she leans over, they both stare

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and look down her shirt.

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Speaker 1: Dude, that's your mom. Hold on, before we run on,

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we talked about denomalos, right, so do you know what

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that is? What? It's Ed Solomon backwards.

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Speaker 2: That is awesome, Ed Solomon, the writer.

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Speaker 1: For Bill and Ted. Yes, Ed Solomon backward words is

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well kind of Ed backwards day and Solomon backwards. Nominally,

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Let's talk about mister Ryan real quick.

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Speaker 2: Mister Ryan, who is their teacher, who before we go

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any further, he is a good teacher. He doesn't want

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his students to flunk. He has been over backwards to

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help them pass. They have flunked every section of his

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class and.

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Speaker 1: He is All you can tell me is that Caesar

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was the salad dressing dude.

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Speaker 2: Ed stand up, stand up?

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Speaker 1: Yes, stand up.

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Speaker 2: So mister Ryan played by Bernie Casey, who is also

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in Revenge of the Nerds and never saying ever again.

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Speaker 1: Okay, hold on a second, Wait a minute, I feel

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like I have a piece of knowledge. Revenge of the

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Nerds to had a song in it that was written

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by Ed Solomon. Get out of here. How do you

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know I I because I'm a freaking genius. That's how

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I knew it. Yes, nineteen eighty seven Revenge of the

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Nerds Part two Nerds in Paradise credited Ed Solomon Lyrics No.

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On fifteen Boom.

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Speaker 2: Nice, well done. That is a mind blowing fact that

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you will only get here at They sure that you

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can't be serious?

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Speaker 1: Podcast right next credit Bill and Ted's excellent adventure.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's see here. Let's keep going, because if

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you are a fan of eighties movies, I've got I've

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got some stuff for you. You're ready to hang on

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tight you go Ginghis Khan is played by Al Leon.

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You may recognize him as the guy who always gets

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killed in every action movie in the eighties. I'm not kidding.

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He was in Diehard. He's the guy who's the candy

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bar right before they shoot the police that are advancing

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on the front door. Right he gets blown up when

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they blow up the helicopters.

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Speaker 1: Uh blow the roof Lea's in lethal weapon.

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Speaker 2: He's the guy torturing mel Gibson with the electric shockers

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while he's in the Showery Riggs managed to grabs him

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with his ankles and breaks the guy's neck.

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Speaker 1: That's all.

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Speaker 2: Leon Yes is also in Big Trouble in Little China.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Okay.

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Speaker 2: He's a stuntman slash actor, and he plays Genghis Khan

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in Bill and Ted's excellent, bitch. I'm gonna keep going,

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I'm rolling, okay.

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Speaker 1: Ready.

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Speaker 2: Abraham Lincoln is played by Robert D.

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Speaker 1: Baron.

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Speaker 2: Hang with me on this.

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Speaker 1: I'm hanging.

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Speaker 2: Got to reach deep in the vault for this. One

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of my favorite early eighties movies is The Private Eyes

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with Don Knots and Tim Conway.

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Speaker 1: It used to be one of my favorite movies, and

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then you loan me the DVD and I watched it

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with my family and I kept hearing, when is this

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movie gonna be open?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 1: You're killing me. I loved it, But that movie does

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not hold up. I'm sorry, my friend.

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Speaker 2: That is a family favorite at my house, The Private Eyes.

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But at the very beginning Tim Conway's character in don Knots,

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they pull up to a gas station. The guy says,

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you guys are the two idiots in the newspaper, and

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he's got a real heavy Cogny accent, right, and they

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end up blowing up the gas station.

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Speaker 1: That is Robert V.

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Speaker 2: Barron, who plays Abraham Lincoln.

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Speaker 1: Party on dudes. Yeah, he was also and people who

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were night Court fans and I was a big night

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Court fan. But there's an episode where there's a cowboy

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on who kind of looks like the Lone Ranger except old,

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gray haired Lone Ranger and he's wearing a red shirt.

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It's the same guy. I remember seeing him and being like, oh, dude,

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that's the same guy. Now.

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Speaker 2: Then I'm really gonna blow your mind here. You're ready

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for this?

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Speaker 1: Blow my mind? All right?

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Speaker 2: Joan of arc is played by Jane Whedland. Yes, who

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is in You and Star Trek four?

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Speaker 1: So she's been in.

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Speaker 2: Some stuff, right, yeah, right, I'm gonna play a song

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and I'm gonna see if you can remember this one, right,

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You're ready for this?

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Speaker 3: Okay?

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Speaker 2: That song ringing bell to you at all?

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Speaker 1: No? Okay, that song it's.

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Speaker 2: Called rush Hour. That was kind of a top ten

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hit the summer of nineteen eighty eight. That's a song

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by Jane Whedland. Okay, I am going to play a

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song that you will recognize, Okay, Okay.

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Speaker 1: All right. That song is called ar Let's Arcia Arlet Sorry,

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same group though, right, yeah, go go go Gos. Yes, sorry,

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the Go Gos. Yes.

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Speaker 2: Jane Wheeland wrote that song and plays guitar for the

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Go Gos.

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Speaker 1: Now that you say, I totally see it. That yep,

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good job, man. My mind is blown. Nice nice video,

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MTV connection. I love it. There you go, there you go? Okay,

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all right, so you ready for me to blow your

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mind a little bit? Yes? Do it? Okay? Okay. So

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we all know that Keanu Reeves went on and has

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done many many movies. Alex Winter has done not as

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many movies as an actor, but he's become a pretty

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prominent documentary filmmaker. One of the ones that you might

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recognize is called The Deep Web, which he did back

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in twenty fifteen, actually narrated by Keanu Reeves about the

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Dark Web and the Silk Road and the drug trade

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that went on on the web. And I'm a big

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fan of a book called American Kingpin, which is about

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this guy named Ulrich who was a He was a academic.

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He was like a master's student who didn't get into

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PhD program and decided to start selling drugs on the

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dark Web and developed the Silk Road. And he's now

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serving several life sentences in prison. It's fantastic book. You

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should check it out. But I digress. Alex Winter not

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been in a whole lot of stuff. He was in

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Freaked after this and hasn't been in a whole bunch

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of stuff, but has done some things. But back to

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our MTV days. Alex Winter was the director of several

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videos including Higher Ground, Knock Me Down, and Taste the Pain,

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all by Red Hot Chili Peppers and are you ready

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for this one? Who's the Mac? By Ice Cube What.

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Alex Winter directed the video for Who's the Mac? What

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theag Wow?

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Speaker 2: I believe Alex Winter even directed a video for Extreme.

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Speaker 1: Yes, he did Decadence Stance and he did Photo Graffiti.

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as well. They have the song play with Me, which

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and has the.

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Speaker 1: Play right here.

473
00:23:25,799 --> 00:23:27,759
Speaker 2: My kids love this song. They asked me to play

474
00:23:27,799 --> 00:23:31,759
the song in the in the car. It's also the hardest.

475
00:23:32,039 --> 00:23:34,400
One of the hardest songs to play on Guitar Hero

476
00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:35,559
was Play with Me.

477
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:37,720
Speaker 1: That's how they do it. Yeah, that's not surprising. It

478
00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:41,240
on Porn of Graffiti. Nina Benincourt had the song Flight

479
00:23:41,279 --> 00:23:43,400
of the Wounded Bumblebee, which I mean, if you've heard

480
00:23:43,400 --> 00:23:45,680
Flight of the Bumblebee, you know how fast that is.

481
00:23:46,079 --> 00:23:49,200
It is that on speed. I mean, it's crazy good.

482
00:23:49,240 --> 00:23:50,400
Speaker 2: I don't know if you know this or not. But

483
00:23:50,640 --> 00:23:54,839
Bill Ted's Excellent Adventure was all filmed in nineteen eighty seven. Yes,

484
00:23:55,359 --> 00:23:57,240
this is the interesting thing to me. It was all

485
00:23:57,279 --> 00:24:00,319
filmed in nineteen eighty seven. They wrapped it up sat

486
00:24:00,359 --> 00:24:01,079
on a shelf.

487
00:24:01,759 --> 00:24:05,759
Speaker 1: So when they first when the director, Steve Stephen Herricks,

488
00:24:05,839 --> 00:24:08,480
first started looking at this, he thought to himself, Okay,

489
00:24:08,640 --> 00:24:10,119
this is either going to be a huge hit or

490
00:24:10,160 --> 00:24:14,680
phenomenal flop. They got the production company, the dent Entertainment Group,

491
00:24:14,759 --> 00:24:18,119
to finance the film. I mean they're practically done. I

492
00:24:18,119 --> 00:24:20,680
think they've cut it, They've they've done all of the shooting,

493
00:24:21,119 --> 00:24:24,960
and then Dyal Renis goes bankrupt and so they're stuck

494
00:24:25,119 --> 00:24:27,200
and they think, oh, well, crap, this thing is just

495
00:24:27,240 --> 00:24:29,759
going to go straight to video. It's never going to

496
00:24:29,799 --> 00:24:32,400
see a movie theater or anything like that. But then

497
00:24:32,440 --> 00:24:34,720
some of the guys who worked for the Delentis Group

498
00:24:34,839 --> 00:24:37,839
ended up working for the Nelson Group, and the Nelson

499
00:24:37,880 --> 00:24:41,400
Group in combination with Oriyan bought it and put it

500
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:41,839
out there.

501
00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:44,519
Speaker 2: That's really cool. I'm so glad too.

502
00:24:45,519 --> 00:24:50,200
Speaker 1: Before they had the DearS group was was run by

503
00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:56,359
Dio deal Reenis and he keeps looking at it and

504
00:24:56,400 --> 00:24:58,720
he's like, I just I don't get it. What is dudes?

505
00:24:59,000 --> 00:25:01,279
What is dudes? What is that? And they keep trying

506
00:25:01,279 --> 00:25:04,599
to explain it. Finally, I remember it seems like maybe

507
00:25:04,599 --> 00:25:09,119
it was Solomon or Mathison says, it's a guy with

508
00:25:09,200 --> 00:25:12,599
a big and he says, at that point he finally

509
00:25:12,640 --> 00:25:13,640
understood what it meant.

510
00:25:16,000 --> 00:25:18,799
Speaker 2: Hino de Lorenzis actually gave us Flash Gordon. I don't

511
00:25:18,799 --> 00:25:22,200
know if you remember. Oh wow, Yeah he did Flash Gordon.

512
00:25:22,319 --> 00:25:24,319
So we got a podcast about that sometimes.

513
00:25:24,880 --> 00:25:28,319
Speaker 1: Oh for sure, just for the soundtrack alone, exactly.

514
00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:34,880
Speaker 2: We gotta at least talk about the soundtrack. Okay, So

515
00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:37,400
let's do the plot overview for Bill and Ted's excellent adventure.

516
00:25:37,480 --> 00:25:40,240
Bill and Ted are students in high school and they've

517
00:25:40,240 --> 00:25:43,039
got to pass their history class or else. Their band

518
00:25:43,160 --> 00:25:46,960
Wild Stallions, who save the world from by their amazing

519
00:25:47,039 --> 00:25:51,559
music somehow makes peace with everybody and causes serenity and you.

520
00:25:51,599 --> 00:25:54,279
Speaker 1: Suddenly left from Slow Stone. Dude, I get this done

521
00:25:54,319 --> 00:25:55,039
really really quick.

522
00:25:58,559 --> 00:26:03,400
Speaker 2: Somehow, while Stallion's music makes bowling scores go way up

523
00:26:03,519 --> 00:26:07,079
and many golf scores go way down. But the rockmand

524
00:26:07,119 --> 00:26:09,839
Wild Stallions will never exist because Ted will be sent

525
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:13,440
to military school in Alaska. Rufus, their mentor from the future,

526
00:26:13,519 --> 00:26:15,680
is sent to go help them out. He gives them

527
00:26:15,680 --> 00:26:18,319
the keys to a time traveling foam booth so they

528
00:26:18,319 --> 00:26:21,000
can go back and grab historical figures from the past

529
00:26:21,200 --> 00:26:23,960
to help them create an excellent final report. But the

530
00:26:24,039 --> 00:26:26,680
clock in San Demus is still ticking.

531
00:26:26,799 --> 00:26:30,759
Speaker 1: There's a totally different kind of idea behind time travel

532
00:26:30,839 --> 00:26:32,920
in this movie than in Back to the Future. You

533
00:26:32,960 --> 00:26:36,240
don't have any space time paradoxes. You don't, I mean,

534
00:26:36,279 --> 00:26:39,079
none of that stuff matters. Like, there's no danger that

535
00:26:39,079 --> 00:26:41,880
you're going to screw everything up forever. Somehow in the

536
00:26:41,920 --> 00:26:45,720
future they can see that in the past that if

537
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,759
something doesn't happen to change things, that the future that

538
00:26:48,799 --> 00:26:52,079
they're in won't happen. I don't understand how that works,

539
00:26:52,240 --> 00:26:54,319
but I'm not supposed to, because this is not a

540
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,400
science ficture movie, right exactly.

541
00:26:58,039 --> 00:27:02,160
Speaker 2: Please don't notice the time continuum loop where they continuously

542
00:27:02,200 --> 00:27:05,039
meet themselves at the circle k again and again and

543
00:27:05,119 --> 00:27:06,240
again and again.

544
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:07,680
Speaker 1: Right and forget to wind their watch.

545
00:27:07,839 --> 00:27:10,200
Speaker 2: All right, So I've got some great tidbits on this.

546
00:27:10,279 --> 00:27:13,519
Do you want to go into that? All right, Let's

547
00:27:13,559 --> 00:27:15,480
just talk about Bill and Ted's characters for a second,

548
00:27:15,519 --> 00:27:22,200
all right. They're kind, they're sincere, they're friendly, they're lovable.

549
00:27:22,759 --> 00:27:23,799
There's good dudes.

550
00:27:24,400 --> 00:27:24,960
Speaker 1: Yeah.

551
00:27:25,039 --> 00:27:27,359
Speaker 2: And for somebody who wants to watch.

552
00:27:27,279 --> 00:27:30,160
Speaker 1: Movies with their kids, yep, it's pretty tame. Right.

553
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:33,519
Speaker 2: There's really no cussing. There's no drinking, there's no drug use,

554
00:27:33,559 --> 00:27:34,359
there's no sex.

555
00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 1: I can think of two cuss words in this whole thing,

556
00:27:37,480 --> 00:27:41,400
and they're the same cuss word. You killed, Ted, You

557
00:27:41,480 --> 00:27:42,559
medieval gweed.

558
00:27:43,759 --> 00:27:46,799
Speaker 2: That's about as mad as Bill gets the entire movie.

559
00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:47,880
Speaker 1: You left Napoleon.

560
00:27:48,079 --> 00:27:48,559
Speaker 2: He was a.

561
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:53,160
Speaker 5: That line.

562
00:27:55,440 --> 00:27:58,559
Speaker 2: Talk about what the director, Stephen Harrit he would give

563
00:27:58,599 --> 00:28:03,079
them direction. Yeah, And his main direction was more labrador,

564
00:28:03,480 --> 00:28:06,920
more labrador, because the labrador is the dog that you

565
00:28:06,920 --> 00:28:09,960
can yell at, you can kick, and it'll be sad

566
00:28:10,000 --> 00:28:11,799
for a second and then it'll come back and it'll

567
00:28:11,839 --> 00:28:13,839
be all smiley and lick your face and just be like,

568
00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:14,839
can we go play now?

569
00:28:15,200 --> 00:28:18,240
Speaker 1: Yes? And that's what these characters are, oh for sure.

570
00:28:18,519 --> 00:28:20,759
And you know I saw this. You know, we talked

571
00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,920
originally about comparing this movie to Wayne's World, and then

572
00:28:24,920 --> 00:28:28,359
we saw something today, Today's date. That's that was a

573
00:28:28,400 --> 00:28:31,079
comparison of those two movies that referred to him as

574
00:28:31,079 --> 00:28:34,640
stoner movies, which in neither movie are people getting high.

575
00:28:34,759 --> 00:28:36,920
I mean, that doesn't happen now I can see that

576
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:39,920
is you know, like, okay, I get that these are

577
00:28:39,960 --> 00:28:42,680
guys are like cool, yeah, and they have that kind

578
00:28:42,680 --> 00:28:45,279
of mentality, but they don't do it in this You

579
00:28:45,319 --> 00:28:48,240
can watch this movie and there's no there's no marijuana use,

580
00:28:48,279 --> 00:28:50,880
there's no drinking except for the bar scene. Like they

581
00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:55,319
didn't even cardiffs. We've got to remember this place. There

582
00:28:55,359 --> 00:28:58,960
are people in life that have this kind of attitude

583
00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:02,200
about life and the good naturedness without being high all

584
00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:04,839
the time. There's nothing wrong with being genuine and sweet.

585
00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:07,319
You know, these guys are just sweet dudes. Yeah, just

586
00:29:07,400 --> 00:29:07,960
kind of dumb.

587
00:29:08,079 --> 00:29:10,799
Speaker 2: Did you know that the these two guys say the

588
00:29:10,839 --> 00:29:13,359
word dude seventy times.

589
00:29:13,119 --> 00:29:18,000
Speaker 1: And they say the word excellent thirty times. I cannot

590
00:29:18,039 --> 00:29:23,279
believe that they didn't say the word dude sixty nine times.

591
00:29:23,319 --> 00:29:27,759
Speaker 2: I know, what a waste, what a blown opportunity. And

592
00:29:27,839 --> 00:29:31,519
actually that is a funny insinuation that my daughter, who

593
00:29:31,599 --> 00:29:33,160
was watching it with me, she didn't catch.

594
00:29:33,359 --> 00:29:34,079
Speaker 1: She's too young.

595
00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:36,599
Speaker 2: It's funny they thought of the same number.

596
00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:40,039
Speaker 1: Huh. Yeah, I've got a twelve almost thirteen year old.

597
00:29:40,519 --> 00:29:42,920
That's something at seven to eleven was sixty nine cents.

598
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:45,640
And I saw him talking to his brother's like sixty

599
00:29:45,720 --> 00:29:50,960
nine and then he's like, what does that mean. He's like,

600
00:29:51,000 --> 00:29:51,680
I'm not telling you.

601
00:29:51,720 --> 00:29:54,000
Speaker 2: All right, here's something forty. Alex Wender claims he gets

602
00:29:54,039 --> 00:29:57,319
two types of letters from teachers all right, positive ones

603
00:29:57,359 --> 00:30:00,680
from history teachers for encouraging students to learn about history,

604
00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,200
and negative ones from English teachers for affecting the way

605
00:30:04,359 --> 00:30:07,359
students speak. In the film, Bill and Ted claimed that

606
00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,240
they need Eddie van Halen in their band.

607
00:30:10,359 --> 00:30:11,119
Speaker 1: To make it better.

608
00:30:11,279 --> 00:30:15,240
Speaker 2: After the film was released, Eddie van Halen jokingly said

609
00:30:15,400 --> 00:30:16,839
he would have joined their band if they would have

610
00:30:16,839 --> 00:30:19,079
asked him. That is a great opportunity for Bill and

611
00:30:19,119 --> 00:30:19,559
Ted three.

612
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:21,839
Speaker 1: Oh for sure. I don't know what Eddie.

613
00:30:21,720 --> 00:30:23,559
Speaker 2: Van Halen's up to, but if he joined the band

614
00:30:23,559 --> 00:30:25,880
in Bill Ted three, that would be freaking amazing.

615
00:30:26,039 --> 00:30:28,599
Speaker 1: Well, and it's interesting, you know, like the most important

616
00:30:28,640 --> 00:30:31,680
people in the future are all they are all played

617
00:30:31,720 --> 00:30:37,400
by musicians. I mean everybody can everybody recognizes Clarence Clements, right, Yeah,

618
00:30:37,440 --> 00:30:40,559
from the East Street Band, from Bruce Springsteen eas Street Band.

619
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,960
Speaker 2: Right, He's one of the most important persons in the world.

620
00:30:43,160 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 1: He's the he's the big, the big black guy up front. Yes.

621
00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,759
We also have Martha Davis, who was the lead singer

622
00:30:49,839 --> 00:30:54,720
of the band called the Motels. Oh really, yes, And

623
00:30:54,759 --> 00:30:59,880
we also have h Waybill, who was the lead singer

624
00:31:00,079 --> 00:31:02,799
of a band called the Tubes. Are you serious?

625
00:31:02,839 --> 00:31:06,319
Speaker 2: I've never known this. I've seen this movie nine thousand times.

626
00:31:06,640 --> 00:31:09,799
Speaker 1: Yep. He Waybills worked with Toto, He's worked with Richard

627
00:31:09,839 --> 00:31:13,079
Marx and Billy Sherwood. But yeah, all of the three

628
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:16,799
most important people in the world in Bill and Ted's

629
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:21,400
excellent adventure Future are all musicians, which is appropriate since

630
00:31:21,400 --> 00:31:24,839
it's their song that has led the world to world peace.

631
00:31:25,240 --> 00:31:29,720
Speaker 2: No way, yes, way, Oh my gosh, I got this

632
00:31:29,759 --> 00:31:30,599
for you. Ready for this?

633
00:31:31,000 --> 00:31:31,519
Speaker 1: You love?

634
00:31:31,559 --> 00:31:35,960
Speaker 2: This picture on Ted's T shirt is the cover photo

635
00:31:36,640 --> 00:31:38,720
for Van Halen's why Can't This Be Loved?

636
00:31:38,759 --> 00:31:39,079
Speaker 5: Single?

637
00:31:39,359 --> 00:31:42,359
Speaker 2: Solder in the Van Halen fifty one to fifty tour right,

638
00:31:42,640 --> 00:31:45,920
very popular with Van Halen fans. It was Sammy's first

639
00:31:45,960 --> 00:31:49,319
tour with Van Halen after replacing David Lee Roth. Who

640
00:31:49,359 --> 00:31:52,279
you like better, van Halen or Van Hagar? Go back

641
00:31:52,279 --> 00:31:54,640
and listen to our van Halen episodes. I would love

642
00:31:54,720 --> 00:31:55,599
to have this T shirt.

643
00:31:55,720 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, dude, have you looked to see if the

644
00:31:57,680 --> 00:32:00,359
T shirt's still available? No, I need to I would

645
00:32:00,359 --> 00:32:02,240
wear if I bought that shirt. I'm not kidding. I

646
00:32:02,279 --> 00:32:04,720
don't care that it's the Sammy Hagar shirt. I would

647
00:32:04,759 --> 00:32:08,359
wear that shirt every freaking day with a black vest

648
00:32:08,599 --> 00:32:09,039
over it.

649
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 2: All Right, here's something that you're not gonna get it

650
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,279
from any other podcast. When Abraham Lincoln emerges on stage

651
00:32:14,359 --> 00:32:17,039
at the end during Bill and Ted's History report, his

652
00:32:17,119 --> 00:32:20,920
opening line is for score and seven minutes ago.

653
00:32:20,880 --> 00:32:24,200
Speaker 1: And it happens at eighty seven minutes into the.

654
00:32:24,119 --> 00:32:26,759
Speaker 2: Film four score plus seven.

655
00:32:27,799 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: Pretty tasty man. Nice there. Actually, there are quite a

656
00:32:30,920 --> 00:32:34,359
few historical things that they put in this movie that

657
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:38,160
are really smart and really hidden, Like when they're doing

658
00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:41,319
the Napoleon thing and he's there on stage and he's

659
00:32:41,359 --> 00:32:44,279
going over all of this thing and I can't remember

660
00:32:44,279 --> 00:32:45,880
whether it's Bill or Ted. At this point, it's like,

661
00:32:45,880 --> 00:32:47,480
I don't think it'll work, and he knocks all the

662
00:32:47,519 --> 00:32:52,079
pieces off. It's actually recreating the French invasion of Russia.

663
00:32:52,119 --> 00:33:02,440
That was Napoleon's huge loss, that his Waterloo, another historical reference. Boom. So, yeah,

664
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:04,359
they they've got a ton of the a ton of

665
00:33:04,359 --> 00:33:06,440
those things in there that you just you're not gonna

666
00:33:06,519 --> 00:33:09,480
get unless you just happen to be an expert in

667
00:33:09,559 --> 00:33:11,319
these things. To get him, they just kind of nicely,

668
00:33:11,359 --> 00:33:13,000
neatly hit it, hid them in there.

669
00:33:13,279 --> 00:33:16,519
Speaker 2: Yes, when they're at the police station and uh Ted's

670
00:33:16,599 --> 00:33:21,680
dad asked Abraham Lincoln what his birthday is, February twelve,

671
00:33:22,599 --> 00:33:23,759
I know what it is.

672
00:33:25,480 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 1: With an L. It's Lincoln with an L. Why do

673
00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:33,839
you insist on saying that your Sigmund Freud? Why do

674
00:33:33,880 --> 00:33:38,440
you assist on saying I'm not Freud? Anyway. Steve Solace

675
00:33:39,079 --> 00:33:40,640
is the guy who wrote a bunch of the guitar

676
00:33:40,680 --> 00:33:43,359
stuff which is prominent in the soundtrack. But you know

677
00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:46,279
what the last scene when Rufus picks up a guitar

678
00:33:46,400 --> 00:33:51,400
and starts playing and he's phenomenal, Yeah, it's Steve Solace's

679
00:33:51,519 --> 00:33:55,240
hands that you're seeing play the guitar. Nice. Yes. Now

680
00:33:55,240 --> 00:33:58,559
in the next movie they get a different Steve as

681
00:33:58,599 --> 00:34:05,880
Steve Steve Yes again David Lee Roth connection there, and

682
00:34:05,960 --> 00:34:09,760
he's done most of the music in the Bobbish Journey episode.

683
00:34:10,000 --> 00:34:15,840
Speaker 2: All right, let's flip over to Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey.

684
00:34:15,880 --> 00:34:18,320
Speaker 1: And so as a part two to the time travel movie,

685
00:34:18,360 --> 00:34:22,000
you would expect another time travel movie. But time travel,

686
00:34:22,039 --> 00:34:26,519
although present, is a very small factor in this particular movie.

687
00:34:26,599 --> 00:34:30,199
So you've got instead of this the storyline where they're

688
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,000
picking up people from the past, although those things do

689
00:34:33,119 --> 00:34:37,000
crop up. This is a movie that's more like a

690
00:34:37,079 --> 00:34:41,559
Paradise lost, like they're journeying down into hell and up

691
00:34:41,639 --> 00:34:46,079
to heaven. And it's really based on an old Ingmar

692
00:34:46,199 --> 00:34:49,800
Bergmann movie called The Seventh Seal okay, and it's a

693
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:53,840
really famous it's a fantastically famous movie. Seventh Seal comes

694
00:34:53,840 --> 00:34:56,960
from revelations where it talks about the Seventh Seal being broken.

695
00:34:57,599 --> 00:35:02,400
And in the movie you have Maxiwan Sidau plays this

696
00:35:02,679 --> 00:35:06,360
Night who ends up trying to win his life back

697
00:35:06,679 --> 00:35:10,000
from death by playing death in a game of chess

698
00:35:10,239 --> 00:35:14,960
instead of Battleship, Monopoly and Electrics.

699
00:35:15,360 --> 00:35:23,280
Speaker 6: All, yeah, you're wrong, Death, it was Professor Plum. I

700
00:35:23,400 --> 00:35:26,000
never lose Best five or seven.

701
00:35:26,159 --> 00:35:29,920
Speaker 1: They decided to make a part two. Yes, Steven Herrick says, okay,

702
00:35:29,920 --> 00:35:32,960
this to me, this movie seems like a parody of

703
00:35:33,000 --> 00:35:35,599
a movie that was already a parody, and so I'm

704
00:35:35,639 --> 00:35:37,480
not really interested in doing it. So they bring on

705
00:35:37,559 --> 00:35:39,400
a different guy named Peter Hewitt. Now, this is Peter

706
00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:43,480
Hewitt's first movie. They had seen a short film that

707
00:35:43,519 --> 00:35:46,119
he had made called The Candy Show, and that's how

708
00:35:46,119 --> 00:35:48,679
he got put in the director spot. He makes a

709
00:35:48,719 --> 00:35:51,440
cameo appearance in the movie. He's the guy who starts

710
00:35:51,440 --> 00:35:55,360
smoking a cigarette and then Death says see you soon, yeah.

711
00:35:55,079 --> 00:35:58,320
Speaker 2: Bill In tevs. Bogus Journey was released July nineteenth of

712
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,559
ninety one. Budget was twenty million and it made thirty

713
00:36:01,599 --> 00:36:02,320
eight million at.

714
00:36:02,199 --> 00:36:04,480
Speaker 1: The box office. Pretty good. I mean that's a pretty

715
00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:07,119
decent hit. Double their money. Yeah. So there are a

716
00:36:07,159 --> 00:36:12,159
couple of cool little bits in this. Whenever the Robot Bad,

717
00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,840
the Evil Bill and Ted come back, they arrive at

718
00:36:15,880 --> 00:36:19,440
the circle K right. Yes, well, when they arrive they

719
00:36:19,800 --> 00:36:23,880
land right next to this burnt square in the parking lot,

720
00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:27,440
because that's where the original Bill and Ted had come

721
00:36:27,519 --> 00:36:31,159
back to whenever they met the first Bill in Ted

722
00:36:31,199 --> 00:36:33,239
before they started time traveling in the first place.

723
00:36:33,400 --> 00:36:36,079
Speaker 2: I got on Google Maps and I found this circle

724
00:36:36,159 --> 00:36:37,079
K by the way.

725
00:36:37,360 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 1: Nice. So it's not a circle K anymore? No, is

726
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:40,719
it a seven eleven.

727
00:36:40,880 --> 00:36:41,719
Speaker 2: It's a seven eleven.

728
00:36:42,079 --> 00:36:45,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, And so by the time the second movie came around,

729
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:48,280
it had become the seven to eleven. They had to

730
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:51,679
like digitally go in and change it to a circle K. Actually,

731
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,039
I don't know if it's digitally back then, it probably

732
00:36:54,159 --> 00:36:56,519
was like they put a different sign up on the

733
00:36:56,519 --> 00:37:00,920
wall after. Did we have our old friend Chelsea Ross

734
00:37:00,960 --> 00:37:06,559
playing the part of Colonel Oates? Yeah, Harris exactly. Yes,

735
00:37:06,639 --> 00:37:09,239
and also from Hoosiers. Yes.

736
00:37:09,639 --> 00:37:12,679
Speaker 2: William Sadler plays death in this yeah.

737
00:37:12,679 --> 00:37:15,559
Speaker 1: And William Sadler of course was in die Hard Too.

738
00:37:16,199 --> 00:37:17,920
Speaker 2: Yes, he's the bad guy in Diehard Too.

739
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:20,719
Speaker 1: Yeah. And he's also in what I consider the best

740
00:37:20,760 --> 00:37:23,559
movie of all time, The shash Ank Redemption. Can't wait

741
00:37:23,599 --> 00:37:24,440
to talk about that one.

742
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,719
Speaker 2: That one's coming down the road, definitely for sure.

743
00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: So Okay, I don't know, did you notice this when

744
00:37:29,039 --> 00:37:32,519
you're watching Bogus Journey at the end as like everybody's

745
00:37:32,559 --> 00:37:35,199
listening to them play their song. Like you've got people

746
00:37:35,239 --> 00:37:37,719
around the world listening to them play their song at

747
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:41,280
the Battle of the Bands, right, William Sadler is actually

748
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:44,119
plays the part of a British guy watching this with

749
00:37:44,199 --> 00:37:47,960
his family. His family is actually it's like his actual

750
00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:51,239
wife and his actual child that are watching Bill and

751
00:37:51,320 --> 00:37:54,400
Ted on TV on the Battle of the Bands.

752
00:37:54,639 --> 00:37:55,800
Speaker 2: Nice, that's cool.

753
00:37:56,000 --> 00:37:59,400
Speaker 1: And of course we've got Pam Greer pre Jackie Brown

754
00:37:59,599 --> 00:38:01,800
still a good Oh she looks fantastic.

755
00:38:02,360 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, major mab Unfortunately she turns out to be

756
00:38:05,559 --> 00:38:08,360
rufous right spoiler.

757
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,199
Speaker 1: And then the band on the Battle of the Bands

758
00:38:11,239 --> 00:38:15,400
that's playing before Bill and Ted before Wild Stallions gets

759
00:38:15,440 --> 00:38:18,079
up to play is primus nice.

760
00:38:18,199 --> 00:38:22,599
Speaker 2: When Bill and Ted go to Missy's seance as ghosts, right, yes, yeah,

761
00:38:22,639 --> 00:38:25,760
Chris Matheson and Ed Solomon, the creators and writers of

762
00:38:25,800 --> 00:38:28,880
Bill and Ted, they're actually they're they're the men attending

763
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:29,480
the seance.

764
00:38:29,679 --> 00:38:31,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, So they make a cameo appearance there, And they

765
00:38:31,639 --> 00:38:34,800
also made a cameo appearance in Bill and Ted's Excellent

766
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:39,519
Adventure as the Ziggie Piggy guys the Ziggy Bigye Stige

767
00:38:39,719 --> 00:38:44,079
Big where Napoleon is eating a Neapolitan Sunday.

768
00:38:45,360 --> 00:38:47,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, are you a Star Trek fan, like an original

769
00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:48,920
Star Trek series fan.

770
00:38:49,280 --> 00:38:51,280
Speaker 1: I watched a bit of it and that was I mean,

771
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:53,559
that was a fun detail because they're watching Star Trek

772
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:56,199
on TV in the In the movie, Bill and Ted

773
00:38:56,239 --> 00:38:58,559
are watching Star Trek when they're kind of stuck at

774
00:38:58,599 --> 00:38:59,159
their apartment.

775
00:38:59,280 --> 00:39:03,039
Speaker 2: Yes, so this episode, I've actually seen Captain Kirk is

776
00:39:03,039 --> 00:39:05,920
being chased around by an alien and he's supposed to

777
00:39:05,960 --> 00:39:08,000
be on this desert.

778
00:39:07,760 --> 00:39:08,760
Speaker 1: Planet or whatever.

779
00:39:09,280 --> 00:39:12,840
Speaker 2: It turns out that is a location shot in California,

780
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:16,880
and this is the same spot where the Evil Us

781
00:39:17,039 --> 00:39:19,880
is throw Bill and Ted off of the cliff. That's

782
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:22,639
the same spot where that Star Trek episode was filmed.

783
00:39:22,960 --> 00:39:25,639
Speaker 1: Nice tie in. Okay, I thought this was pretty cool.

784
00:39:25,800 --> 00:39:28,760
Speaker 2: The Evil robot Us is we're supposed to kill Bill

785
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:31,800
and Tad again at the Battle of the Bands, whereupon

786
00:39:31,880 --> 00:39:35,440
the boys would invoke their wins against death to get resurrected.

787
00:39:35,599 --> 00:39:37,280
Speaker 1: So like they had nine lives or something.

788
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:41,159
Speaker 2: I guess like they had beaten death in Twister and

789
00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:44,960
in Battleship and in Clue, so they had like extra lives,

790
00:39:45,039 --> 00:39:49,719
so to speak, didn't it.

791
00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:55,679
Speaker 1: I really love how Death like because he moves from

792
00:39:55,719 --> 00:39:59,159
this ominous figure to this guy who's just kind of

793
00:39:59,199 --> 00:40:02,000
hanging out like I'm just along for the ride, and

794
00:40:02,039 --> 00:40:04,119
then he moves into the Yeah, I'm gonna do a

795
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:06,760
rap here at the end of this thing. It's I

796
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,159
just think it's hilarious what they do with the character

797
00:40:09,199 --> 00:40:11,159
of Death, and I'm really excited to see what they're

798
00:40:11,199 --> 00:40:13,679
gonna do with it in face the music.

799
00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:16,079
Speaker 2: Yeah, he's been beaten, and so he's kind of a

800
00:40:16,079 --> 00:40:17,000
part of the gang, right.

801
00:40:17,440 --> 00:40:19,079
Speaker 1: Yeah. I love it when he looks.

802
00:40:18,840 --> 00:40:21,360
Speaker 2: At God and he's like he like explains to him

803
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,599
as like they melvined.

804
00:40:23,119 --> 00:40:29,840
Speaker 1: Me the at the end, whenever he's rapping, when Death

805
00:40:29,960 --> 00:40:32,400
is rapping. This is kind of this is a weird,

806
00:40:32,480 --> 00:40:34,559
kind of twisted fact here for you. Okay, so he

807
00:40:34,599 --> 00:40:36,960
does the you could be a king or a little

808
00:40:37,000 --> 00:40:39,559
street sweeper, but sooner or later, you're going to dance

809
00:40:39,599 --> 00:40:42,480
with the Reaper. These were actually the last words of

810
00:40:42,679 --> 00:40:46,440
Robert Allan Harris, who was the first man to die

811
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:49,760
on death row in California in twenty five years. Wow,

812
00:40:49,880 --> 00:40:51,280
that's cool. I've never heard that before.

813
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:54,480
Speaker 2: All Right, this is a cool Most people caught this

814
00:40:54,639 --> 00:40:56,719
and I get it, but it's still worth mentioning if

815
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:59,760
you're not a super eighties music fan, this mine have

816
00:40:59,800 --> 00:41:03,239
got past you. But when they meet God. First of all,

817
00:41:03,360 --> 00:41:06,360
they maintain their sweetness when talking with God. Right, Ted's

818
00:41:06,440 --> 00:41:10,679
like you are a most noble creator. Great job on Earth,

819
00:41:11,000 --> 00:41:13,920
Bill and I enjoy it on a daily basis before

820
00:41:13,960 --> 00:41:16,599
they get to God. In order to get into Heaven,

821
00:41:16,880 --> 00:41:19,679
they have to prove themselves worthy. And so Ted says,

822
00:41:20,000 --> 00:41:25,440
every rose has its thorn, Every night has a dawn,

823
00:41:25,800 --> 00:41:29,440
just like every cowboy sings a sad, sad song. These

824
00:41:29,519 --> 00:41:30,880
are key lyrics to the.

825
00:41:30,880 --> 00:41:34,440
Speaker 1: Song every Rose has Its Thorn by Poison Love that song.

826
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:39,840
When this movie was released opening weekend, it finished number two?

827
00:41:40,119 --> 00:41:42,400
Do you know to finished number two? Two? Yes? I do?

828
00:41:42,679 --> 00:41:48,679
Ternator two Judgment Day right, which involves a robot going

829
00:41:48,840 --> 00:41:52,800
back in time to kill somebody in order to change

830
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:57,679
the future. How ironic is that? Huh? Okay, So I'm

831
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:01,880
about to blow your minds last note on my paper.

832
00:42:02,440 --> 00:42:04,679
We can talk about some best scenes here in just

833
00:42:04,719 --> 00:42:08,320
a second, but I'm gonna blow your frigging mind. The

834
00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:11,440
mall yes, when they have to go and build their

835
00:42:11,519 --> 00:42:15,079
own robot versions of themselves and they're taking the aliens

836
00:42:15,559 --> 00:42:19,440
and they go to the building emporium. The mall that

837
00:42:19,519 --> 00:42:24,280
they go to is the same mall that was the

838
00:42:24,400 --> 00:42:26,880
Twin Pines Mall and Back to the Future.

839
00:42:27,119 --> 00:42:32,639
Speaker 2: Oh, yes, that is excellent or Lone Pine Mall.

840
00:42:32,800 --> 00:42:37,360
Speaker 1: It's depending on what you know, what Spider verse you're in.

841
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,840
Speaker 2: In my mind, it's Lone Pine Mall. Okay, Well, I

842
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:41,679
want to talk about the songs for a second. Okay,

843
00:42:41,719 --> 00:42:45,039
So we talked briefly about Play with Me by Extreme. Yeah,

844
00:42:45,159 --> 00:42:50,199
great song, fun, fantastic, The lyrics are great. If you've

845
00:42:50,199 --> 00:42:52,039
got young kids, play it for them.

846
00:42:52,079 --> 00:42:52,960
Speaker 1: The loven Okay.

847
00:42:53,320 --> 00:42:57,760
Speaker 2: In Bill and Ted's Bogus journey, Kiss contributes a great song.

848
00:42:58,039 --> 00:42:59,599
Speaker 1: You and I have talked about the fact that I'm

849
00:42:59,599 --> 00:43:01,840
not a big Kiss fan. God Gave Rock and Roll

850
00:43:01,880 --> 00:43:04,920
to You is maybe their best song.

851
00:43:16,599 --> 00:43:17,760
Speaker 2: Okay, this is great.

852
00:43:17,920 --> 00:43:18,559
Speaker 1: Great song.

853
00:43:19,119 --> 00:43:21,480
Speaker 2: Is the song that wins the Battle of the bands.

854
00:43:21,599 --> 00:43:24,039
Speaker 1: It's such an interesting thing that they decide to come back.

855
00:43:24,079 --> 00:43:26,400
Now here's a bit that's that It'll be interesting to

856
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,559
see how it plays in to face the music. Because

857
00:43:29,039 --> 00:43:32,800
they they conquer the bad guy. They're they're they're about

858
00:43:32,840 --> 00:43:35,679
to play their song for the Battle of the Band,

859
00:43:35,760 --> 00:43:38,360
which is supposed to be the thing that makes them

860
00:43:38,480 --> 00:43:41,440
you know, that moves everyone, right, and they suddenly realize

861
00:43:41,440 --> 00:43:44,480
that they can't play their instruments, and so they hop

862
00:43:44,519 --> 00:43:48,760
in the phone booth. They leave, and they basically say

863
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,960
they've been gone for fifteen months, and they look like

864
00:43:52,039 --> 00:43:54,599
the guys from ZZ top right, and they play this

865
00:43:55,199 --> 00:43:58,519
beautiful guitar piece which was written by Steve VII, which

866
00:43:58,639 --> 00:44:02,519
ultimately flows into God Gave Rock and Roll to you. Well,

867
00:44:02,559 --> 00:44:07,159
when they come in, they both have babies on their back,

868
00:44:07,400 --> 00:44:09,360
and we know from the preview that we've seen and

869
00:44:09,400 --> 00:44:12,079
from the you know, the cast listing that face the

870
00:44:12,159 --> 00:44:15,679
music involves daughters, not sons, right, But then I was

871
00:44:15,679 --> 00:44:18,599
talking with you, this is nearly thirty years ago, Like

872
00:44:18,719 --> 00:44:22,480
those sons are going to be like father age themselves.

873
00:44:22,519 --> 00:44:25,360
These are not teenage sons, so they had to go.

874
00:44:25,519 --> 00:44:27,280
They had I mean, these have to be the little

875
00:44:27,320 --> 00:44:30,360
sisters or whatever. But you know, of course Ted's son's

876
00:44:30,440 --> 00:44:33,559
name is Bill, and Bill's sons name is Ted.

877
00:44:33,639 --> 00:44:37,719
Speaker 2: But you know, on that note, I think it's funny

878
00:44:38,079 --> 00:44:43,320
that these characters continually speak each other's names all the time. Oh, yes,

879
00:44:43,679 --> 00:44:47,360
like a million times. It's like I go on friend, Yes, Ted,

880
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:50,679
my friend, I do I did hear something funny on

881
00:44:50,719 --> 00:44:53,199
an interview with Chris Matheson. So they were working on

882
00:44:53,639 --> 00:44:56,400
the script for Bogus Journey and it was late and

883
00:44:56,440 --> 00:44:59,400
they were typing away. Actually Ed Solomon was typing, do

884
00:44:59,440 --> 00:45:02,039
you hear the story? No, it was late, and you know,

885
00:45:02,079 --> 00:45:04,400
they're sort of slap happy, and they were working on it,

886
00:45:04,519 --> 00:45:07,360
and the next day when they reviewed their notes, the

887
00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:10,760
word station was written in the middle of a sentence,

888
00:45:10,920 --> 00:45:13,719
just very obscurely, for no reason, just the word station.

889
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,159
And they thought that was the most hilarious thing in

890
00:45:17,199 --> 00:45:19,119
the entire world, Like why would you type the word

891
00:45:19,239 --> 00:45:21,719
station in the middle of the paragraph for no reason?

892
00:45:22,000 --> 00:45:25,199
And so that's why the word station is so prominent

893
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:27,880
in Bill and Ted's Bogus Journey, Like that's the name

894
00:45:28,119 --> 00:45:30,519
for the aliens in the future, right, that's that's the

895
00:45:30,559 --> 00:45:34,599
only word that the aliens can say is station, station, station, Okay.

896
00:45:34,679 --> 00:45:38,239
And that's even why like evil Ted is like fist bumping,

897
00:45:38,320 --> 00:45:39,039
say station.

898
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:43,679
Speaker 1: So let's just talk. You did the plot overview for

899
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:46,119
Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure. Do you want to do

900
00:45:46,159 --> 00:45:48,159
the plot overview for Bogus Journey as well? Or do

901
00:45:48,199 --> 00:45:49,360
you want me to do that? Why don't you go

902
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:54,119
ahead and do that? So in the future, a disgruntled

903
00:45:54,159 --> 00:45:58,760
gym teacher named Chuck daydon nomalus I got it was

904
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:03,280
a gym teacher come in with armed soldiers and takes

905
00:46:03,360 --> 00:46:05,960
one of the phone booths in order to send two

906
00:46:06,079 --> 00:46:09,639
robot versions of Bill and Ted back in time in

907
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:13,079
order to kill Bill and Ted so that he prevents

908
00:46:13,159 --> 00:46:18,239
world peace from occurring, thereby changing the future into the

909
00:46:18,280 --> 00:46:23,559
future that he has imagined. The Evil Robots are successful

910
00:46:23,760 --> 00:46:26,719
in their attempt to kill Bill and Ted, and Bill

911
00:46:26,800 --> 00:46:31,840
and Ted are dead. They face death, they face hell,

912
00:46:32,360 --> 00:46:37,079
they face heaven, and ultimately are introduced to aliens that

913
00:46:37,119 --> 00:46:40,800
help them build new robots to help them overcome the

914
00:46:40,880 --> 00:46:45,960
Evil Robots, ultimately ending them in the Battle of the Bands,

915
00:46:46,360 --> 00:46:51,159
where they successfully play a song that brings about a

916
00:46:51,199 --> 00:46:54,880
feeling of unity and happiness for all who are watching

917
00:46:55,159 --> 00:46:55,880
on TV.

918
00:46:56,119 --> 00:46:58,119
Speaker 2: I thought it was interesting flipping back to Bill and

919
00:46:58,159 --> 00:47:02,239
Ted's Excellent Adventure, one of the characters that they were

920
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:05,400
interested in grabbing in the earlier drafts of the script.

921
00:47:05,880 --> 00:47:08,000
They talked about grabbing Charlemagne.

922
00:47:07,440 --> 00:47:15,719
Speaker 1: Who they called Charlot Mange. And I mean they actually

923
00:47:15,760 --> 00:47:18,360
filmed scenes where they had taken somebody who was not

924
00:47:18,519 --> 00:47:21,880
famous named John the Serf. There was a scene and John,

925
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:25,480
John the Surf, Yes, John the Surf was he was

926
00:47:25,519 --> 00:47:27,400
still credited in the credits. I don't know. I mean

927
00:47:27,400 --> 00:47:29,519
he wasn't in the movie, but got credited in the credits.

928
00:47:30,079 --> 00:47:32,840
And Bill and Ted were supposed to take the princesses

929
00:47:32,880 --> 00:47:35,840
to prom That's that scene got cut cut as well.

930
00:47:36,119 --> 00:47:38,519
I know Alex Winter went back and tried to find

931
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:41,920
those that old footage, but he basically found that it

932
00:47:41,960 --> 00:47:44,360
went the way of the Dayla Reneitis group and was

933
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:44,880
no more.

934
00:47:45,039 --> 00:47:48,719
Speaker 2: It is lost in the strands of time. All we

935
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:51,519
are is dust in the winds.

936
00:47:51,360 --> 00:47:55,719
Speaker 1: Like sands to the These are the days of our lives.

937
00:47:57,679 --> 00:48:00,760
You killed that medieval dick weed. I'm just going to

938
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:02,719
say that every once in a while. I just I

939
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:03,599
just like saying that.

940
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:08,400
Speaker 2: Bill tees Bogus Journey is joyable. It's just not.

941
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Speaker 1: It's just not excellent adventure. It is not.

942
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Speaker 2: I'll be good to see how we rank these like one,

943
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two and three, Right, I'm hoping that three can compete

944
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with two as the second best. Sure, I don't think

945
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we're gonna I don't think three is going to be

946
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as good as one.

947
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Speaker 1: I don't think there's any way. No, I don't think

948
00:48:24,159 --> 00:48:28,400
there's any way, not as far distance, as far distant

949
00:48:28,440 --> 00:48:30,159
as they are, I don't think there's any way that

950
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it's going to be. Yeah, I just hope it's. Honestly,

951
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I hate to say this. I hope it's not a disappointment.

952
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Speaker 2: Cut your expectations low, and maybe.

953
00:48:38,199 --> 00:48:41,360
Speaker 1: It won't be right. This one is I mean, this

954
00:48:41,519 --> 00:48:45,920
is thirty it's nearly thirty years. It's thirty one years

955
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after Excellent Adventures, So that's that's a lot of time.

956
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:51,760
Speaker 2: Also, it seems kind of weird that fifty year old

957
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:55,639
men would be talking like, yeah, bodacious, you know, I

958
00:48:55,719 --> 00:48:56,559
wonder how that's.

959
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:58,719
Speaker 1: Going to go. I tell you what I'm excited about.

960
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It's it. And I've touched on this before, but it's

961
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the thing that all of all guys our age kind

962
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of go through where we just all expected to be

963
00:49:08,599 --> 00:49:15,000
superheroes or rock stars or sports gods or something like that.

964
00:49:15,079 --> 00:49:17,519
I mean, it's we all had this expectation that we

965
00:49:17,519 --> 00:49:20,119
were going to do something great, and then here we

966
00:49:20,159 --> 00:49:23,840
are at middle forties, Like, I feel like I just

967
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was meant for so much more, and these guys flat

968
00:49:28,159 --> 00:49:33,760
out got told you're going to cause world peace. You

969
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:36,559
are meant for not only something great, the greatest thing

970
00:49:36,599 --> 00:49:40,400
of all time, And they have arrived at middle age

971
00:49:40,639 --> 00:49:44,960
and nothing's happened yet. Yeah. That's a good I mean,

972
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,960
that's a good plot point, I think. So I'm hopeful

973
00:49:47,960 --> 00:49:50,119
that they are able to make something beautiful out of

974
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that while maintaining the goofy, crazy silliness of it all.

975
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Speaker 2: All right, well that's our opinion. We want to hear

976
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from you, guys. What do you think don Ted's Excellent

977
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Adventure better?

978
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Speaker 1: Any better?

979
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Speaker 2: What are your expectations for part three? What's your funniest line,

980
00:50:04,960 --> 00:50:05,760
favorite scene?

981
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Speaker 1: Weigh in?

982
00:50:06,199 --> 00:50:07,000
Speaker 2: We want to hear from you.

983
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Speaker 1: Yeah, hit us on Twitter at Shirley Podcasts, on Facebook

984
00:50:11,360 --> 00:50:14,559
at Shirley Podcasts, or email us like some folks have

985
00:50:14,679 --> 00:50:19,639
done shirleypodcast at gmail dot com. Would love to hear

986
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from my friend.

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Speaker 2: Be excellent to one another and party on dudes,