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Speaker 1: The countdown is on to fight time. This is Big

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Fight Weekend. Now here is your host, TJ. Leaves.

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Speaker 2: Well, we get ready for a weekend that has fights

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that we're interested in from Mexico to Monte Carlow, back

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to California and even dare I say it's on the

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rundown the Rock of Gibraltar.

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Speaker 1: I believe.

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Speaker 3: So.

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Speaker 2: It is the Big Fight Weekend preview pod. I am

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the somewhat competent host.

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Speaker 1: TJ Reeves. He is our insider.

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Speaker 2: Fight Freaks Unit is the substack also with Big Fight

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Speaker 1: Hello Dan Rayfield, good to be back with you.

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Speaker 2: And man, we've got a lot to go over now,

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I have to say to the audience, not a mega fight,

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not a world title fight, but still some interesting bouts

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all over the globe. Here to go over, some news

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and some nostalgia. Busy, busy here on the program.

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Speaker 4: How are things today? This week?

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Speaker 3: Things are good, I would say, this week and is

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more let's call it quantity than equality.

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Speaker 2: All right, we'll see what kind of quality there is.

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Is it fair to say, by the way, they need

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to rate us, they need to review us. We're coming

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to the end of the year. If you enjoy all

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the content, the programming.

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Speaker 4: Let's get let's get a few reviews.

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Speaker 1: Going are the five star reviews?

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Speaker 2: People, Let's go, get us a couple, Get us a

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couple right now, three or four or five.

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Speaker 1: Let's go.

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Speaker 2: If you enjoy the content, the interviews, the banter back

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and forth, Rayfield taking two handswings at me. If it

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lightens up your Friday mornings, your Thursday nights into Fridays,

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or your Sunday nights into Mondays with the recap, tell

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us so Apple, Sprinker, Spotify, we love that. Is it

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fair to say? I think it's accurate to say that

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we have four noteworthy names at the four different locations

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fighting four lesser names that we don't know about pretty much.

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Speaker 1: But by the same.

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Speaker 2: Token, they need wins, they need impressive performances, the four

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main names here in this. Would that be fair to

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say in all of these fights, Well, that's.

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Speaker 4: Fair, you know, I think that's fair to say.

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Speaker 3: I mean, some names are bigger than others, you know,

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but yeah, I mean these are these are like I mean, look,

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the guys have to train. We're gonna talk about all

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these fights, but they have to be in shape and

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be prepared at least in terms of the main event

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fights that we're talking about. But in the end, uh,

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these are stay busy, get back in action, you know,

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keep the wheels moving, keep the chains movement however you

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want to describe it to to looking forward to bigger

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and better things down the road. But that doesn't mean

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they're not important to the careers of these fighters we're

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going to talk about, because if they slip up and lose,

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that puts them a step back, obviously.

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Speaker 2: So really for a couple of them, simply for a

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couple of them, there's a big risk if they lose.

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Speaker 1: There's no doubt, a right.

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Speaker 2: So let's begin with the Zanford Promotions ESPN Plus card.

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This is Tijuana, Mexico for Saturday Night. And the name

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Jimi Mungia, who we've talked about frequently. We saw him

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in the ring with Canelo. We've seen him in a

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lot of entertaining fights. What's the two things he does,

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ray Phiel, He's a great offensive fighter and he gets

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hit a lot, so you he gives and he takes.

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And now and now we have a fight with someone

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help me with the name Bruno Siras Sarasse.

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Speaker 1: However, you say this name a.

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Speaker 4: Super guy that's getting knocked out on Saturday.

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Speaker 1: Okay, you believe this could be a big night from Mangia.

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Speaker 3: Y Well, I mean, look, he's this is clearly a

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quote unquote stay busy fight. The guy's got a great record.

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He's twenty five h to two coming over here to

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visit his opponent's hometown of Tijuana. You know, so they

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got him a guy. I guess it's in the ratings

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and whatever. But there's so many big things in the

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mix for possibilities for Haimumongia. Again, he's got a train,

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he's got to be in shape. I can't take it

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for granted. But he becomes the way he usually does

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to the ring. There's a very good chance that he

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will be successful. You look down Sarace's ledger of opponents,

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you will find very quickly that he has fought over

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every one of his fights until this one. I believe

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in France his home country, and he has never fought

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anybody of any significant consequence of whatsoever. Completely the opposite

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of Jimi McGee, who you know, has been in the

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biggest fight in the world against Canelo Alvarez, and he's

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fought some other you know, solid names devyn Chenko and

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John Ryder and a few others along the way, Liam Smith.

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But here's the thing about it. He got a loss

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in May of this year against Canelo, and unlike lots

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of other guys where they lose a mega fight, and

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he put up a game performance. He did get knocked down,

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but he went the route and he you know, he

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made it an entertaining fight. He didn't get completely blown

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away or anything like that like a lot of people

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suspected he might. He didn't sit around and ditch and

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moan and cry and complain and go underground and not

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be seen for a year and a half. He came

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back in the ring in September. He fought an undefeated

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fighter who was a good contender in Eric Pasinian, looked

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really solid, knocking him out in the tenth round. Now

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he's going to get in his third fight this year

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on Saturday, and there's bigger and better things for him

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down the road. Now we're going to talk a little

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bit more about this later in terms of what's been

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going on this week at the WBC convention. But one

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of the things at the WBC convention was they assume,

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you know, this was predicated on his having a victory

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on Saturday against our boy Bruno. That they've ordered a

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interim title fight between Mangia and Christian Mobility doesn't surprise me.

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I find it to be highly unnecessary because Canelo Alvarez

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is an active champion, but put that to the side.

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you want to describe it, because they've been real cloy

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about it, that relationship, if you will, between Top Rank

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and Mangia ever since that was first announced and he

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ended up having the fight with Bizinian, and they also

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are the co promoters, of course of Christian Mobility and

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Top Bragan Zanfer have a very close relationship, and Mongia

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has been with Zaan for as a co promoter for

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most of his career. Anyway, here's the point, when that

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alliance was made. It was right off the bat that

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the talk from Top Rank to me specifically and on

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maybe others I guess, was that in the in the

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down the road a little bit, we're looking to do

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a breakout kind of fight between Mongia and Mobility, which,

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by the way, as a fan, forget about interim title whatever,

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who cares. That is an absolute fucking war. You can

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write that down. There's no way that's a bad fight,

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even if it's one rounder a twelve rounds.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 3: So there's a lot at stake for Mangia putting the

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title aspect of what may be at stake in the

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Billy fight. That's a big fight, uh in terms of

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excitement and action, and I would love to see it.

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unknown guy who's got a glossy record that's been fashioned

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against nobody's And if he can pull the upset, good

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for your boy, Bruno. If he can't, you know, we'll

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see Mangia move on to bigger and better things. But

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that's the main event of that show. And uh, you know,

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interested to see him in the ring.

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Speaker 2: Again, exciting, offensive fighter and he gets it. It's equal opportunity.

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Speaker 1: Are you saying?

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Speaker 2: The names John Jader, Obregon, Milos Jankovic and Georgi Uma

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Kashvili are not going to resonate with fight fans. Those

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are the opponents that Sarase Sarras has been fighting huge

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step up for him. Is he potter, is he just

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in the way or does he have something? I guess

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we're gonna find out and just clarify again. Ten round fight, correct,

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not twelve round fight.

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Speaker 3: Ten rounder and you know, and look he's going me. Look,

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I know we mocked him a little bit, but I mean,

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in all seriousness, he got to respect Bruno because he's

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taking the challenge.

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Speaker 4: He's going down the road.

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Speaker 3: He's going to Mongia's hometown, his first time out of

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France for a professional fight, and he's going into the

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the lions Den, so they say, And he's in with

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one of the best super middleweights in boxing, and hopefully

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he puts some good performance in a game effort, whatever happens.

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Speaker 4: All right.

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Speaker 2: So also on the undercard, you were interested in Alan

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David Picasso and Isaac Saki. These are junior featherweights. This

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is also a ten round fight. Tell me more about

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this one in Tijuana as well for Saturday.

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Speaker 3: Well, I can't sit here and tell you this is

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some kind of megafight. But the reason why it's interesting

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ESPN plus A card that they're going to show with

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mogiy in the main event is because first of all,

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he's an interesting fighter because and I've seen he's been

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bit last you know, a couple of years. He's an

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entertaining fighter fighting in the featherweight division. He is thirty

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zero to one from Mexico, makes good fights. But here's

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the here's the thing, and he fluctuates, you know, between

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featherweight and junior featherweight. This fight, I don't know the

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exact weight for this fight. I think it's a little

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bit over the one hundred and twenty two pounds. His

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last fight was at one twenty five, but he's had

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plenty of fights at one twenty two. Here's the reason

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why it's significant because if he wins this fight and

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he comes true, he is the leading candidate and the

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likely opponent when Noya in a way comes to the

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United States to have a fight coming this spring.

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Speaker 4: Probably in April in Las Vegas.

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Speaker 3: Now he's got to win the fight against Saki obviously

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in a way has the fight that we'll talk about

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next week is he's defending the undiscreted title at one

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hundred and twenty two pounds on Christmas Eve against Sam

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Goodman in Japan. But if in a way wins, and

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he's a huge favorite against Goodman, and if Picasso wins,

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that will probably be the fight. It will be in

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a way defending against Picasso. So that that's a reason

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why if you're going to watch the show, if you're

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only interested in the main event, maybe you want to

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back up and check out at least the co feature

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just to see, you know, do your own scattering report

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on the likely opponent for the undisputed champ in pound

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for pound star In a.

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Speaker 2: Way, you better do everything you can to keep up

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with Big Dan, because he's keeping up with all of

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this stuff.

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Speaker 1: I like that, all right.

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Speaker 2: So we Chris Cross across the globe and earlier in

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the afternoon on his own is the Mattroom Boxing card

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from Monte Carlo, where the main event is mj Akmadaliev,

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who we know and I've got to confess again and

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Espinoza by another name two weeks in a row.

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Speaker 1: This is Ricardo Espinosa.

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Speaker 2: This is the vacant WBA Interim Junior featherweight title.

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Speaker 1: All right, how what do we know about Espinosa.

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Speaker 2: How big of a threat or not is he to Akmadaliev,

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who is clearly angling for a title shot here in

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this main event?

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Speaker 3: Well, this is a this this fight specifically is for

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you know again, I'm getting sick and tired of the

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interim titles, as I have been for a very long time.

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But the reality is, unfortunately this is for the vacant

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WBA interim junior featherweight title. Why is there an interim

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title at state? I've yet to ask get a reason

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for that. I don't understand why other than they want

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a few dollars and to keep the things moving along.

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Because the reality is the undisputed champion of the world

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is in a way, and he's not like he's an

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inactive champion. He's done an injured champions. Matter of fact,

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he is going to defend the undisputed title a week later, so,

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you know, a week and a few days later. So

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it is somewhat preposterous for this to be an interim

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title fight. But I also get it from the Acmadalia standpoint,

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because he's been I won't say, look in a way,

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he's fought all kinds of top guys, not like he's

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ducking acmcadellia, but I don't believe. But here's the thing.

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They ordered that mandatory back a while ago, and he

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said screw you, and he went and took another fight

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in the WBA. Basically, as I alluded to in a

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past podcast TJ, it was like the dream season on Dallas.

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They just forgot that they ordered the mandatory.

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to sue and say, wait a minute, what about us?

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legal argument and sent letters and you know, got his

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lawyer on top of things. I think this may be

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sort of the uh soft landing for him that they're saying,

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you know what, just uh wink wank, here's the interim

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title and uh look and maybe Acuadavi if he wins

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and if in a way comes to the United States

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and then beats Picasso, that maybe that will be a

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fight because at the reality to me anyway, you know,

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assuming that he defeats Goodman, uh, you know, and if

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he does fight against Picasso, but the really the best

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guy at one twenty two that he has not yet

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faced in a way I'm talking about is obviously Achmadaliaff.

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I mean, he's been a unified champion. You know, he's

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only got the one loss. It was a close, close,

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pall split decision, could have gone either way against Marlin Topalos.

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you know, super exciting style.

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Speaker 3: I'm not knocking that, but you know, he's never been

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a guy that's gonna gonna pack him in, so he

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hasn't you know, done the publicity part. Let's say, to

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try to drum up the interest in the inn Way fight. Yeah,

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feel bad for him because he was looked over even

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though he was already in a mandatory position. So I

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have no idea if that fight will actually happen, So

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there is that aspect of it. But whatever, if he

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wins this fight, he'll still be mandatory, and you know,

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if in a way moves up, he'll either inherit the

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title or or fight somebody for it. I mean, it's

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just it gets a little ridiculous. I mean, honestly, Acmandalia

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in the main event is a talented guy, but it's

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it leaves a lot to be desired this particular card.

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Speaker 4: In my opinion.

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Speaker 3: I mean, look, they do these shows Matt Room, they

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go to Monte Carlo, they bring him in and you know,

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it's a black tie thing with the casino rollers, and

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it's a small crowd. They might have just a few

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hundred people, five hundred people, six hundred people in the room.

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You know, it's a real private side.

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Speaker 2: Something that you might see, like for example, in a

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James Bond movie in a scene where Bond shows up

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in Monte Carlo and they're having the fights, and then

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suddenly one of the back guy bad guys is in

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the background and then they're shooting and everybody ducks and covers.

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying, but go ahead, yeah, so no, just.

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Speaker 3: You know, so it's like it's you know, he's because

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he's never been the most exciting guy in the fact

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of the matter is Ricardo as Fanosa, who is his opponent,

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a Mexican fighter who is thirty and four with twenty

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five knockouts. As a guy that is not a guy

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that's going to roll off your tongue as you say,

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oh boy, I know all these guys he fought because

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he has a very a resume that's not filled with

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big names, and the bigger names that he did fight

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are the guys that beat him. So for example, I mean,

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he's won a few fights.

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Speaker 2: Through but I you see a Daniel Roman, I see

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a John Reel. Casama just took exactly while it's been

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a while on both of those, right.

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Speaker 3: But Kasimira, who's been a champion in multiple divisions, that

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was a knockout loss in the twelfth round back in

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twenty nineteen. Then he had to loss in twenty twenty

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one against Danny Roman, who was also a unified champion.

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Who's really by the way, this was not on the rundown,

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but Danny Roman, who had retired not that long ago,

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has announced on his social media that he is coming

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out of retirement. He is a free agent looking.

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Speaker 4: For a fight.

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Speaker 3: So if he decides to get himself back in boxing condition,

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you know, he's still not an old guy. Maybe he

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could still be a factor in the way class. I

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don't know if he wants to continue his career at

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one hundred twenty two or maybe move up to one

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twenty six, But anyway, that was the guy he lost

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to you anyway. The point here with Mack mcdogan is

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that in Espinoza, he's fighting like a good, solid professional guy,

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but just a guy at a level below him based

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on the way I look at it anyway. And then

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you take a look at the rest of the card.

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You know, again this is the Zone card, so it

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we'll come on the afternoon here in the United States.

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You know, you got Beatrice Ferrera. She is a IVUP

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women's lightweight champion. She's known for her exploits in two

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different Olympics and has been a top women's amateur fighter

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and is coming along as a pro. But I'd be

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less than honest if I said I had super interest.

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He got chev Clark, who's been a he's a late bloomer.

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He's undefeated, but he turned prol like I think he's

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already in his early thirties. It say about ten to

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eleven and zero. He is fighting for the European title

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on this card. I mean, I don't know the opponent

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too ill. I mean, that's okay. Gary Cully, who's an

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Irish lightweight that was touted big time, suffered a loss

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along the way. He's back in action taking on the

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well traveled journeyman Naxi Hughes you know who. I don't

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know how much he has left. We'll see if Culli

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can do something with him. And then we spoke about

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on the last podcast when we were doing the news section,

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your boy Tarramona. Tarramona, the Australian Olympic heavyweight, my boy

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who had four fights before go at the Olympics. But

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now we signed a pro contract as far as promotion,

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so he's making his debut withood Matchrom who we just

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signed with last week. He's in a match on this undercard.

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So there's a few names, but I can't tell you

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truthfully because we keep it real with the fans here, right,

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I can't say I'm not jazz for any one of

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these particular bats. If the Tarramona hold on, I'm interested

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to see Tarramona in the ring off the Olympic performance,

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and Cully is always interesting to watch the rest of it.

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Speaker 4: Eh. Whatever.

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Speaker 2: It's a little lacking to say the ladyest all right,

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but you'll keep me up to date.

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Speaker 1: On Taramola Taramoa.

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Speaker 2: Okay, and by the way, we're not done on Dezonne

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for Saturday, let's criss cross back from Monte Carlo, back

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to the Continental US and all the way out to Ontario, California.

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That's where the Golden Boy main event is involving Alexis

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Rocha the welterweight.

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Speaker 4: Uh.

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Speaker 2: He's finding a Raoul Curiel and this is a scheduled

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twelve round main event later on Saturday night. All right,

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So more on this Roacha was kind of on the

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rise and then it was what Santion that got a

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hold of him and brutalized him in the welterweight division.

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All right, So tell me more on him trying to

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re establish himself at one forty seven.

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Speaker 3: Well, he has you know, that was a rough loss,

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the one you mentioned when he fought uh and he

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got beat by Santane. That was that was considered upset

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at the time. Remember when he fought that fight, Alexis

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Rocher was already the WBO's mandatory challenger for the welterweight

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title that was held by Terrence Crawford, and he basically

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stepped aside to not you know, get in the way

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of what Crawford was doing, which at that time you know,

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was still unclear. Uh, what was going on one hundred

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percent with this Uh, you know where he was going

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to go. But he got beat in that fight. That

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was you know, that was a rough night for me.

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He didn't and by the way, he didn't just get

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defeated in the fight. You know, he got defeated pretty.

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Speaker 1: Uh got beaten up big time.

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Speaker 3: He did get beating up big time. He got stopped

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in the sixth round as kind of a bloody mess.

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But he has won two fights in a row since then.

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He knocked out Frederick Lawson in the seventh round. He

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did have a victory in a decision victory back in

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July against Santiago Dominga. So the good thing if you

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are in the ROACHA camp is that, Look, he shook

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off the loss to Santion. This will be his third

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fight of the year, so that's good in terms of

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activity and putting himself back in position. And he's in

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a real fight. I mean, you know, I know, Raul

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Curiel is not the most known guy in the world,

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but he's a Mexican who was an Olympic boxer. He's undefeated,

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he's fifteen to zero with thirteen knockouts, and he's a

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you know, he was an Olympian in twenty sixteen. But

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he's so he's kind of moved a little slowly as

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a professional. You know, he didn't turn pro until twenty

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midway through twenty seventeen, and you know, it's been kind

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of up stops, starts and stops, I guess, but he

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has beaten a couple of like, kind of notable ish guys.

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He knocked out, for example, Hendo Castaneda, solid win. He

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knocked out Brad Solomon, who I guess at that point

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had become journeyman ish I guess. But here's the thing.

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Golden Boys got both these guys and and they think

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that Kiel has a future and they think that roach

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Is still has a future, and they're taking the opportunity

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to match these guys together to give the Zone a

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solid main event, where in my opinion, of the matchups

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that we have on the calendar for this weekend, this

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may be the best fight in the ring of the

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night based on the styles that they fight. Roach Is

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always in good fights and and Krrie Alls shown himself

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to have good power. And the winner of the fight

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is gonna. I can't say the winners going into a

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world championship fight in the welterweight division next, but the

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welterweight division titles are fractured. Guys need opponents and these

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and the winner of this fight is gonna be in

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a position I would imagine to be close to that

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type of opportunity in the next fight, two fights, but

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in the picture.

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Speaker 2: Remaining relevant, the winner is remaining relevant on this This is.

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Speaker 4: All you can ask for.

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Speaker 3: TJ is put together a fight where I don't think

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I know the one hundred percent the result of this fight.

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I feel like I know what's happening in the Acmdalia fight,

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you know, I think I know what's happening in uh In,

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in the Mangia fight. When it comes to this particular fight,

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that's kind of an awesome I mean, if you said

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to me, which fight are you looking forward to watching

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the most this weekend. I want to see Mongia just

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because I enjoy his fights. But in terms of competition,

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I think that Rocha and Curio is probably the best

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fight of the night. And and and in addition to that,

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uh you know, they've got some Golden Bay has got

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some solid guys on the undercard. They got Charles Conwell,

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who's right in position to fight for a junior middleweight

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title at any point as long as you know, if they

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can just get the opportunity, uh, you know that that's

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somewhat interesting to me. So anyway, the point here is

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it got Scrappy Ramirez is coming back trying to get

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his career back on track after a loss in the

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Junior bandaweight division. He's an entertaining contender and a guy

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that you know has got a big personality. So I'm

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cool with that, and we'll see because there's a lot

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of fights this weekend and you know, you don't have

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to watch everything, but he, you know, scrap He's coming

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off that loss against an NS that was a rough

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one back on the Devin Haney, Devin Hinny, Ryan Garcia

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un your car back in April. So you know, Golden

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Boy I think has a good mix of names, interesting fights,

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and certainly a solid you know, fifty to fifty ish

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matchup in the main event.

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Speaker 2: And again that is Saturday night in California as well,

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same time as the Tijuana show. As we keep all

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of this straight, well handicap these fights. By the way,

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these main events on the bet US Boxing Show Friday

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one Eastern time, we get a plug in for that

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and wait, there's more there's also and rayfaield sneaks it

471
00:20:27,400 --> 00:20:30,599
in here on the rundown. There's a Sunday Desonne fight

472
00:20:30,680 --> 00:20:35,400
card in Gibraltar, the Rock of Gibraltar. Dillion White is back.

473
00:20:36,000 --> 00:20:38,920
I think I've heard of Ebenezer Teta. If that's how you.

474
00:20:38,839 --> 00:20:40,279
Speaker 1: Say it, yep, all right.

475
00:20:40,319 --> 00:20:43,680
Speaker 2: But for you, you're always about the heavyweights. For God's sake,

476
00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:46,680
we were that is the most you ever saw on

477
00:20:46,720 --> 00:20:49,960
You were all about Kubrat Puhlev last week because it's

478
00:20:50,000 --> 00:20:50,799
the heavyweights.

479
00:20:51,119 --> 00:20:52,720
Speaker 1: So these are the heavyweights.

480
00:20:53,319 --> 00:20:56,519
Speaker 2: And Dillion White at one point was relevant as a contender.

481
00:20:56,599 --> 00:20:58,640
Not so much anymore. But what what appeals to you

482
00:20:58,680 --> 00:20:59,599
about this fight.

483
00:21:00,039 --> 00:21:01,559
Speaker 3: It's not that it appeals to me, is that it's

484
00:21:01,599 --> 00:21:03,440
one of the bigger names in the heavyweight divisions back

485
00:21:03,480 --> 00:21:05,680
in action. And I'm not known as a heavyweight guy

486
00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:07,759
in terms of my fandom. I mean, I enjoy a

487
00:21:07,759 --> 00:21:10,359
good heavyweight fight like anybody. But you know, if gun

488
00:21:10,359 --> 00:21:12,880
to my head, I'd much rather sometimes watch the welter weights,

489
00:21:12,920 --> 00:21:14,680
of the lightweights, of the featherweights, the guys that are,

490
00:21:14,920 --> 00:21:17,960
you know, more action oriented, unless it's at the highest level,

491
00:21:18,039 --> 00:21:20,640
like you know, the big time championship fights. Like Fury,

492
00:21:20,640 --> 00:21:23,079
you Sicker Wilder and theory fights like that. But in

493
00:21:23,200 --> 00:21:26,039
terms of Dillian White, I mean he's a well known

494
00:21:26,079 --> 00:21:27,680
guy in the weight class. He like you said, he

495
00:21:27,720 --> 00:21:29,720
was a contender for a long time. He's kind of

496
00:21:29,720 --> 00:21:31,599
been off the map a little bit since he lost

497
00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:35,160
in a in pretty one sided fashion against Tyson Fury

498
00:21:35,200 --> 00:21:37,039
back in twenty twenty two, he got knocked out in

499
00:21:37,079 --> 00:21:39,799
a long awaited mandatory fight in the sixth round.

500
00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:43,160
Speaker 2: I had nostalgic because that is the first time that

501
00:21:43,200 --> 00:21:47,160
you and I really began to gather together business wise, professionally,

502
00:21:47,480 --> 00:21:52,079
podcast wise, was around the Fury if White Wembley Stadium

503
00:21:52,079 --> 00:21:56,440
main event and he got blasted with an uppercut and

504
00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:58,519
they had to pick him up with a snowshovel, as

505
00:21:58,519 --> 00:22:00,240
I like to say, I think after that, But in

506
00:22:00,319 --> 00:22:02,839
any event, that seems like it was ten years ago,

507
00:22:02,880 --> 00:22:04,119
and you're telling it was only two and a half

508
00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,480
years ago. So that's good though, And look all right,

509
00:22:06,480 --> 00:22:09,279
but what about for Dillian White and the biggest ring event.

510
00:22:09,319 --> 00:22:11,519
Can he become here if he's if he's good, if

511
00:22:11,559 --> 00:22:12,640
not impressive.

512
00:22:12,359 --> 00:22:14,319
Speaker 3: Well you can absolutely get back in the mix. Because

513
00:22:14,359 --> 00:22:16,440
heavy weights you need names, you need opponents. I mean,

514
00:22:16,440 --> 00:22:18,799
that's the reality. He always looking for a guy that's

515
00:22:18,839 --> 00:22:21,400
got the power, that has a fan base. So after

516
00:22:21,440 --> 00:22:23,319
he lost the Fury fight, he did come back later

517
00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:25,480
in twenty twenty two and he got the close win

518
00:22:25,519 --> 00:22:28,240
over Jermaine Franklin, which was a loss for Franklin that

519
00:22:28,319 --> 00:22:31,559
actually helped propel him into the Anthony Joshua fight. And

520
00:22:31,599 --> 00:22:34,279
some you know, some you know like that was for

521
00:22:34,359 --> 00:22:36,680
him anyway again that there's such a good thing as

522
00:22:36,759 --> 00:22:39,799
a as a good loss. That was it because he

523
00:22:39,839 --> 00:22:41,880
did a good enough job against White in a loss

524
00:22:42,039 --> 00:22:44,720
to get himself the Joshua fight. But put that aside.

525
00:22:45,599 --> 00:22:47,880
White's problem is he had all kinds of issues because

526
00:22:47,880 --> 00:22:50,880
he's had ped problems hanging over his head, so that

527
00:22:51,039 --> 00:22:53,720
after that fight with Franklin, he didn't fight for the

528
00:22:53,799 --> 00:22:56,160
entire year of twenty twenty three. He came back and

529
00:22:56,200 --> 00:22:58,039
fought a low level fight in Christian Hammer, got a

530
00:22:58,079 --> 00:23:00,880
knock out win, and he hasn't been in action since

531
00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,319
March of this year, so he's back in action looking

532
00:23:03,359 --> 00:23:07,279
for another opportunity. He's got thirty wins, twenty knockouts, three

533
00:23:07,319 --> 00:23:10,480
losses all by knockout, and listen have you watched. If

534
00:23:10,519 --> 00:23:12,440
you watch him fight, you know he comes to fight.

535
00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:13,799
Speaker 4: That's it. You're gonna get.

536
00:23:13,799 --> 00:23:14,920
Speaker 1: Laugh something else.

537
00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:16,640
Speaker 2: Forgive me, I'm trying not to distract you, but I'm

538
00:23:16,720 --> 00:23:18,039
laughing at something I found.

539
00:23:18,319 --> 00:23:21,000
Speaker 1: I don't mean to do that. But are you telling

540
00:23:21,039 --> 00:23:21,680
me that Teta?

541
00:23:21,720 --> 00:23:24,680
Speaker 2: If that's how we say it can present a pretty

542
00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:26,720
good fight here, that's what that's what we're hoping for.

543
00:23:26,920 --> 00:23:29,119
Speaker 3: I don't think so necessarily. I mean, Teta is an

544
00:23:29,119 --> 00:23:32,319
old guy. He's thirty six from Ghana. He is twenty

545
00:23:32,319 --> 00:23:35,440
and one with twenty knockouts. But the knockout loss sticks

546
00:23:35,480 --> 00:23:37,319
out like a sore thumb in the world. He got

547
00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,559
absolutely and I saw this fight. He got absolutely destroyed

548
00:23:41,240 --> 00:23:45,319
one round obliteration by Daniel Dubot. That was back in

549
00:23:45,319 --> 00:23:48,359
twenty nineteen. So in the in the year since that,

550
00:23:48,519 --> 00:23:51,559
he has had four fights. He has won them all

551
00:23:51,599 --> 00:23:55,039
by knockout. And he's fought guys who you just.

552
00:23:55,000 --> 00:23:56,319
Speaker 4: Never heard of it, right, Okay?

553
00:23:56,319 --> 00:23:59,799
Speaker 3: You know one guy was sixteen and nineteen, his last

554
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:02,480
it was five and one. A fight before that, a

555
00:24:02,519 --> 00:24:04,240
guy was four and oh I'm looking at his box

556
00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,599
wreck while we're chatting here. His fight before that. This

557
00:24:06,720 --> 00:24:08,200
was after the Dua fight. He fought a guy that

558
00:24:08,279 --> 00:24:11,160
was eleven and one, but not in any way, shape

559
00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:15,240
or form our known opponents. So look, they're heavyweights. Dylan

560
00:24:15,440 --> 00:24:17,799
White's been drilled in the past, you know, yep, head

561
00:24:17,839 --> 00:24:19,720
obviously based on his record, even though he's not fighting

562
00:24:19,799 --> 00:24:22,720
top opponents, he's got plunging power. So I say this

563
00:24:22,759 --> 00:24:24,799
all the time when it comes heavyweights, throw him in the ring.

564
00:24:24,880 --> 00:24:26,039
Let's seis Labernac or whatever.

565
00:24:26,079 --> 00:24:28,319
Speaker 2: Okay, And what I was laughing about. I looked for this.

566
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:30,960
So first of all, geographically we always have fun with this.

567
00:24:31,039 --> 00:24:34,400
Gibraltar is at the bottom tip of Spain in Europe,

568
00:24:34,599 --> 00:24:36,839
and the Rock of gibraltars like a famous place in

569
00:24:36,920 --> 00:24:39,119
movies or whatever. I kid you not, Ray Phiel, I

570
00:24:39,160 --> 00:24:41,680
was just looking for where's the area of where the

571
00:24:41,720 --> 00:24:45,839
arena is? Did you know there's a holiday in express

572
00:24:46,279 --> 00:24:49,480
Rock of Gibraltar. Literally, I'm not kidding when you look

573
00:24:49,519 --> 00:24:51,640
at it on Google, it is literally known as the

574
00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,400
Holiday in Express. And don't we all feel smarter while

575
00:24:54,400 --> 00:24:55,319
we plug away for them?

576
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:55,880
Speaker 4: Well, but.

577
00:24:57,480 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 3: They're playing it there. They're fighting at a place called

578
00:25:00,480 --> 00:25:05,799
the Europa Points Sports Complex. Okay, maybe they're staying at

579
00:25:05,839 --> 00:25:07,079
the holiday inn if if you.

580
00:25:07,079 --> 00:25:08,359
Speaker 1: Ever find occasion to be there.

581
00:25:08,440 --> 00:25:10,480
Speaker 2: Peeps, apparently you can be smarter and stay at a

582
00:25:10,519 --> 00:25:11,480
holiday in express.

583
00:25:11,559 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 3: Why don't you spend some time when we're done with

584
00:25:13,519 --> 00:25:15,920
the show and get holiday into sponsor our potet.

585
00:25:16,039 --> 00:25:16,440
Speaker 1: We'll try it.

586
00:25:16,440 --> 00:25:18,240
Speaker 2: We'll try to do that, especially the one in Gibraltar,

587
00:25:18,279 --> 00:25:20,039
and see if they will fly us there at a

588
00:25:20,079 --> 00:25:22,279
subsequent date. All right, so I think we have done

589
00:25:22,319 --> 00:25:25,119
well with all of the previews. Let's get into a

590
00:25:25,119 --> 00:25:28,519
little news. You mentioned the WBC convention going on. There's

591
00:25:28,599 --> 00:25:33,000
news about Mauricio Suliman being re elected, there's news about

592
00:25:33,039 --> 00:25:35,960
a cruiserweight champ being reinstated. What else came out of

593
00:25:35,960 --> 00:25:38,680
their convention here from earlier this week.

594
00:25:38,799 --> 00:25:40,759
Speaker 3: Well, the convention's still going on as we tape this,

595
00:25:41,319 --> 00:25:43,720
and they have a boxing event tonight in conjunction with

596
00:25:43,759 --> 00:25:47,559
their convention that's taking place in Hamburg, Germany. But in

597
00:25:47,599 --> 00:25:49,400
the very beginning of the convention, I guess this was

598
00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:50,880
like the business to sort of get out of the

599
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:53,519
way first. It didn't really come as any surprise, but

600
00:25:53,680 --> 00:25:57,119
Mauricio Suliman, who was the president of the WBC, was

601
00:25:57,160 --> 00:26:00,400
serving a four year term He was elected to a

602
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:02,319
third term at the convention, not a surprise.

603
00:26:02,519 --> 00:26:02,640
Speaker 4: You know.

604
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:05,319
Speaker 3: Again, people can have their opinions about what the WBC

605
00:26:05,440 --> 00:26:07,720
does with the interim titles, with this, with you know,

606
00:26:07,839 --> 00:26:10,599
the various other moves that they make. You know, we

607
00:26:10,680 --> 00:26:13,359
all can have our jokes and cracks at the franchise title.

608
00:26:13,599 --> 00:26:16,200
All that said, it is my personal belief, especially as

609
00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,000
somebody who has always gotten on top of the sanctioning

610
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,200
bodies about things for my entire career. I believe Mauricia

611
00:26:21,240 --> 00:26:24,039
Suliman has done a phenomenal job as the WBC president.

612
00:26:24,279 --> 00:26:26,039
We have our quarrels about different things here and there,

613
00:26:26,039 --> 00:26:28,799
but he's done an excellent job. And they put on

614
00:26:28,799 --> 00:26:31,200
an unbelievable convention. They bring in tons of former champions.

615
00:26:31,240 --> 00:26:34,000
It's the biggest convention of any of those sanctioning bodies.

616
00:26:34,079 --> 00:26:36,920
Lots of people turn out for it. Anyway, he was

617
00:26:36,920 --> 00:26:39,480
reelected remember back in you know, years ago. This is

618
00:26:39,480 --> 00:26:41,680
his third term that's going to start. But he was

619
00:26:42,160 --> 00:26:45,720
basically drafted into the position with two years left on

620
00:26:45,759 --> 00:26:49,079
his father's term. His father, Jose Suliman, who had become

621
00:26:49,079 --> 00:26:51,200
the president of the WBC in nineteen seventy five, had

622
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,359
led that organization up until his death, and it was

623
00:26:54,759 --> 00:26:56,559
just a couple of weeks after that, I believe that

624
00:26:56,599 --> 00:27:00,680
was twenty fourteen. It was, you know, just a few weeks,

625
00:27:00,680 --> 00:27:03,319
a couple of weeks after that that they basically drafted

626
00:27:03,400 --> 00:27:05,960
Mauricio to serve out the remainder of his father's term,

627
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,200
which was two more years, and then he was subsequently

628
00:27:08,279 --> 00:27:11,359
elected at the twenty sixteen convention, reelected at the twenty

629
00:27:11,400 --> 00:27:14,440
twenty COVID convention that was online, and then in Hamburg

630
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:17,200
re elected to a third term. And he deserves that

631
00:27:17,240 --> 00:27:18,880
he's done a good job. So that was sort of

632
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:20,640
getting that out of the way at the beginning. And

633
00:27:21,480 --> 00:27:23,400
I'll details in a piece all right at some point

634
00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,200
where I'll go division by division, because one of the

635
00:27:25,680 --> 00:27:28,240
fun things about the WBC convention is they go through

636
00:27:28,279 --> 00:27:30,799
all their divisions and they set up their mandatories and

637
00:27:30,799 --> 00:27:32,920
they appoint the number one challengers and they you know,

638
00:27:33,000 --> 00:27:35,000
they come up with ideas of what kind of there's

639
00:27:35,000 --> 00:27:37,160
a four man box off, or they order eliminators and

640
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:38,960
that sort of stuff, and that, you know, it's a

641
00:27:38,960 --> 00:27:40,960
fluid situation. It changes through the year, but at least

642
00:27:40,960 --> 00:27:44,160
it gives you a good sort of roadmap for the

643
00:27:44,240 --> 00:27:46,920
various divisions and how the WBC is going to approach them.

644
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:49,599
They have the promoters all gathering. They bicker and argue

645
00:27:49,640 --> 00:27:52,079
and go back and forth about trying to politic for

646
00:27:52,079 --> 00:27:55,200
where their guy or gal should be raided. But the

647
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:57,119
one one of the newsier things that did come out

648
00:27:57,160 --> 00:28:00,519
was if you follow the cruiserweight division, the WBA champion

649
00:28:00,519 --> 00:28:03,799
had been bad due Jack and he was going to

650
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:05,720
go up and try to win a title in the

651
00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:09,240
bridgerweight division. He was made the champion in recess and

652
00:28:09,279 --> 00:28:12,119
they crowned a new title holder in Noel McCallion, and

653
00:28:12,200 --> 00:28:14,519
he defended. He won the title on a Don King card.

654
00:28:14,519 --> 00:28:17,400
Now he's embroiled in this like lawsuit with King. Uh

655
00:28:17,519 --> 00:28:21,160
he was put in one recess, yeah, exactly. And so

656
00:28:21,279 --> 00:28:24,400
the fight that they made to fill the vacancy that

657
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:28,559
took place like last week with Rosekie up in Canada.

658
00:28:28,599 --> 00:28:31,680
I forget the opponent's saying peralta. I believe they fought

659
00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:34,640
to a draw. So the title stayed vacant. And but

660
00:28:34,759 --> 00:28:37,039
due Jack announced he was coming back to the cruiserweight

661
00:28:37,039 --> 00:28:39,519
division and he was taken out of recess and re

662
00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:43,640
installed as the as the WBC champion while McCallion is

663
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,400
still on ice and he's in recess, and the other

664
00:28:46,440 --> 00:28:48,440
fight was a draw. And so anyway, here's the point, though,

665
00:28:48,640 --> 00:28:51,200
bad dude Jack, who's been a stalwart fighter for a

666
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:54,160
long time, his won titles at super middleweight, at light heavyweight,

667
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:58,839
at cruiserweight. He's back and he's now re again, you know,

668
00:28:58,920 --> 00:29:01,799
been reappointed as their title holder. He never gave up

669
00:29:01,799 --> 00:29:04,640
the title, he just was changed the classification. I mean,

670
00:29:04,640 --> 00:29:06,799
it's convoluted, but the bottom line is that was one

671
00:29:06,839 --> 00:29:09,519
of the elements of that occurred. And they also ordered

672
00:29:09,519 --> 00:29:13,599
them Billy Mongia eliminator, which I think will happen if

673
00:29:13,720 --> 00:29:17,200
if Mongy is successful in his fight on Saturday in Mexico.

674
00:29:17,519 --> 00:29:19,519
And I'll at some later point I'll write about all

675
00:29:19,519 --> 00:29:21,279
the various other things that went on at the convention.

676
00:29:21,559 --> 00:29:24,319
Speaker 2: And while we're here there there was also a card

677
00:29:24,359 --> 00:29:28,440
in Hamburg, as you mentioned, that had Billy Dibb on it,

678
00:29:28,519 --> 00:29:31,400
and he's a great story coming back from cancer as well.

679
00:29:31,440 --> 00:29:33,359
So it just elaborate because this is associated with what

680
00:29:33,400 --> 00:29:34,000
you're talking about.

681
00:29:34,279 --> 00:29:36,839
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I mean there's always usually, well I should

682
00:29:36,839 --> 00:29:39,200
say usually there's a boxing card that is in conjunction

683
00:29:39,279 --> 00:29:42,920
with wherever the WBC convention takes place. I mean last

684
00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:44,680
year they had a card up in where were they

685
00:29:44,680 --> 00:29:47,519
They were in Uzbekistan. I believe this year they're doing

686
00:29:47,559 --> 00:29:49,480
a card in Hamburg, which has been a tremendous fight

687
00:29:49,559 --> 00:29:52,880
city through the years. Plenty of the bigger German fights

688
00:29:52,880 --> 00:29:55,000
have been there. Anyway, so they had their card that

689
00:29:55,039 --> 00:29:57,839
took place on Thursday. Now, Billy Dibb, who was a

690
00:29:57,880 --> 00:30:00,440
guy who had won a featherweight title, competed in the

691
00:30:00,519 --> 00:30:03,880
junior lightweight division and has fought some good quality opponents

692
00:30:04,680 --> 00:30:06,440
over the years. You know, he's been a pro a

693
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:08,680
long time, turn pro two thousand and four, so it's

694
00:30:08,720 --> 00:30:11,160
you know, he's in his twentieth year as a professional.

695
00:30:11,519 --> 00:30:14,279
But Billy was diagnosed not that long like, I don't

696
00:30:14,319 --> 00:30:16,119
know exact when it was, but it's probably a year

697
00:30:16,160 --> 00:30:17,440
a year and a half two years ago he had

698
00:30:17,480 --> 00:30:20,200
with cancer. They gave him six months to live that.

699
00:30:20,319 --> 00:30:21,960
Billy is a lovely guy if you ever meet him,

700
00:30:21,960 --> 00:30:23,720
mean just the assault of the earth kind of nice guy,

701
00:30:24,400 --> 00:30:27,680
a beautiful guy. I've become friendly with him over the years,

702
00:30:28,200 --> 00:30:32,039
and and so he came back to sort of close

703
00:30:32,039 --> 00:30:33,880
out his career. This was sort of his fairwealth fight.

704
00:30:33,920 --> 00:30:36,880
The fact that he could even box again is a miracle. Yeah,

705
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,400
I mean, you know, I think about guys like Danny

706
00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:41,960
Jacobs who came back from near death of cancer and

707
00:30:42,000 --> 00:30:44,960
not only came back but won a world title. You know,

708
00:30:45,400 --> 00:30:48,799
Anthony Durell a similar situation, had cancer, came back and

709
00:30:49,039 --> 00:30:51,200
fought at the highest level. Billy, of course did not

710
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:52,599
fight at the highest level in this way, but he

711
00:30:52,599 --> 00:30:55,039
did win an eight round decision against a fighter named

712
00:30:55,039 --> 00:31:00,000
Attila Kabi Yashi, and that was sort of a heartwarming

713
00:31:00,079 --> 00:31:01,960
thing to come out of it because and I've had

714
00:31:01,960 --> 00:31:05,119
my jokes with Billy, because you know, when Billy was

715
00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:07,640
fighting as a contender in the featherweight division, he was

716
00:31:07,680 --> 00:31:09,680
fight He's from Australia, but he was fighting in America,

717
00:31:09,759 --> 00:31:11,640
and he has signed with Goldenweight Promotions. He was sort

718
00:31:11,680 --> 00:31:14,880
of mentored by Shane Mosley back in the day, and

719
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:17,960
Billy Dibb used to put on the most boring fights

720
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:19,799
in the world. And Billy and I have joked around,

721
00:31:19,799 --> 00:31:21,480
and I love the guy now did so nothing new

722
00:31:21,519 --> 00:31:23,480
was boxing, but the watch and fight was not the

723
00:31:23,480 --> 00:31:26,319
most exciting. He became more entertaining as the years went on,

724
00:31:26,359 --> 00:31:27,880
when he was in some tough fights in the junior

725
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,640
lightweight division. But there's a specific fight that I can

726
00:31:31,680 --> 00:31:34,400
always think about in two thousand and seven at Madison

727
00:31:34,440 --> 00:31:36,720
Square Garden. He was on the undercard. This was a

728
00:31:36,720 --> 00:31:39,079
golden boy. Then he's fighting a journeyman guy, but a

729
00:31:39,079 --> 00:31:41,759
tough dude named Rogers Matagua who had fought lots of

730
00:31:41,799 --> 00:31:45,079
good names and given guys tough fights. But Billy Dibb

731
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,480
was completely outclassing him. This was on the undercard when

732
00:31:48,519 --> 00:31:52,319
Miguel Coto fought Shane Mosley, one of Coto's greatest victories,

733
00:31:52,559 --> 00:31:56,200
and like I said, Shane had Billy Dibb as part

734
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,160
of his team and he was on the undercard. I

735
00:31:58,279 --> 00:32:00,400
was so frustrated watching that fight. Again, it's Roger and

736
00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:03,119
Matagua between him and Billy did because Billy did. He

737
00:32:03,119 --> 00:32:05,039
could have he could have stopped him, or he was

738
00:32:05,079 --> 00:32:06,400
running him out of the ring, but all he did

739
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,160
was back up and run away. He won the fight

740
00:32:09,240 --> 00:32:12,680
like by a shutout on maybe by one point, maybe

741
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,000
one judge or two judges. Game Mataga one round. But

742
00:32:15,039 --> 00:32:18,000
basically this is a whitewash from Billy did. It is

743
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,839
the only time in the entire nearly twenty five years

744
00:32:20,839 --> 00:32:23,359
of being at fights at ringside that on purpose, I

745
00:32:23,359 --> 00:32:24,880
got up out of my seat. I walked out of

746
00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:26,519
the arena because I was so pissed off watching what

747
00:32:26,559 --> 00:32:28,400
I was watching. I could not take it. I just

748
00:32:28,440 --> 00:32:30,519
went back to, like, you know, where the media section was.

749
00:32:30,559 --> 00:32:32,400
I got myself like, you know, a juice or something

750
00:32:32,400 --> 00:32:35,359
to drink or whatever. I was just so frustrated. I

751
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,160
was probably like, this is the fight that he was

752
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,799
in against Matago is an eight rounder. I say, around

753
00:32:39,839 --> 00:32:41,880
maybe the round five or six, I'm like, fuck this,

754
00:32:42,039 --> 00:32:43,720
I'm out of here. I'm going to take a break.

755
00:32:43,720 --> 00:32:46,559
I'm gonna go take a pissy. Should say to the audience.

756
00:32:46,599 --> 00:32:48,160
Speaker 2: This is a regular occurrence with you and me on

757
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:51,480
the podcast, so it's nothing different for us. But that case,

758
00:32:51,480 --> 00:32:54,759
it's interesting that you remember that. But anyway, heartwarming story.

759
00:32:55,279 --> 00:32:58,440
Good for him, one last fight to come back overcoming cancer.

760
00:32:58,519 --> 00:32:59,519
Speaker 1: So we like that.

761
00:32:59,519 --> 00:33:02,359
Speaker 2: We talk about a negative in the world and in boxing.

762
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:03,079
This is a good thing.

763
00:33:03,400 --> 00:33:06,799
Speaker 3: I was very happy to see, uh. I mean obviously

764
00:33:06,839 --> 00:33:09,640
that he was able to survive his situation with cancer,

765
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:13,480
but on his own terms, Humeback like take a fight,

766
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,680
win the fight and be able to walk out that

767
00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,240
way in boxing. You know, apparently with his health both

768
00:33:20,279 --> 00:33:22,240
in terms of cured from cancer as well as his

769
00:33:22,319 --> 00:33:24,680
health from you know, from his boxing career. You know,

770
00:33:24,799 --> 00:33:26,759
you can't can't do anything about Wishbilly did the best

771
00:33:26,759 --> 00:33:27,920
in his in his life.

772
00:33:28,359 --> 00:33:31,440
Speaker 2: A couple more things and then some nostalgia coming the

773
00:33:31,680 --> 00:33:35,279
w BA back to them, w BA and Queensberry say

774
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:37,799
that nick Ball is going to be back. You've got

775
00:33:37,839 --> 00:33:40,240
the deats. This is going to be right back in

776
00:33:40,279 --> 00:33:44,079
his hometown of Liverpool to defend his featherweight championship.

777
00:33:44,119 --> 00:33:46,799
Speaker 3: Tell me more, well, nick Ball is one of the

778
00:33:46,799 --> 00:33:48,960
more entertaining fighters in boxing, it seems to me at

779
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,319
this point. Uh maybe a smallst stature in terms of

780
00:33:52,359 --> 00:33:55,640
his size, but but big on on entertainment value. No

781
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:58,400
doubt about it. Anyway, he is the WBA featherweight champion.

782
00:33:58,759 --> 00:34:02,079
He had had that draw with Ray Vargas that was

783
00:34:02,119 --> 00:34:04,039
for the WBC belt. A lot of people thought he won.

784
00:34:04,079 --> 00:34:05,480
It was a split raw in one of the riad

785
00:34:05,559 --> 00:34:08,400
season cards back in March of this year. He then

786
00:34:08,440 --> 00:34:11,599
came back on another read season card in June and

787
00:34:11,679 --> 00:34:13,559
won a split decision in that fight, but I thought

788
00:34:13,559 --> 00:34:16,159
a deserted split decision against Raymond Ford to win the

789
00:34:16,280 --> 00:34:21,199
WBA title. And onward he went to his next first defense,

790
00:34:21,400 --> 00:34:23,639
which was in Liverpool, England. He hadn't fought in Liverpool

791
00:34:23,840 --> 00:34:25,519
since he was a young prospect, so for him it

792
00:34:25,519 --> 00:34:27,719
was like a huge deal to headline that was back

793
00:34:28,159 --> 00:34:30,719
on October fifth, and he had the victory by a

794
00:34:30,760 --> 00:34:33,920
tenth round knockout against Ronnie Rios. You know, a good veteran,

795
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:36,719
durable guy, but you know, bit past his best days.

796
00:34:36,880 --> 00:34:38,480
And now they've got his next defense and up and

797
00:34:38,559 --> 00:34:41,079
yes he's gonna be back at that same arena in

798
00:34:41,119 --> 00:34:43,320
Liverpool to defend the title for the second time. Will

799
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,920
be taken on TJ. Dohaney. This is what Queensberry announced

800
00:34:47,039 --> 00:34:50,320
on Thursday afternoon. And Dohaney, you know, he's a tough,

801
00:34:50,400 --> 00:34:52,239
rugged guy. He's twenty six and five. He's only been

802
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,440
stopped at one time. He's a former title theer in

803
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:57,519
the junior in the junior at featherweight division. The one

804
00:34:57,559 --> 00:34:59,440
loss that I mentioned by a knockout is certainly a

805
00:34:59,440 --> 00:35:01,760
forgivable loss. He got knocked out in the seventh round

806
00:35:02,039 --> 00:35:05,719
in September by Noi in a way challenging for the

807
00:35:05,800 --> 00:35:08,239
undisputed title in the junior featherweight division. That was the

808
00:35:08,320 --> 00:35:11,480
fight that he that that that he got, that really

809
00:35:11,480 --> 00:35:14,880
should have been Achmadalia's spot. That's what the Acmadia team

810
00:35:14,960 --> 00:35:17,199
was complaining to the WBA bat but they basically gave

811
00:35:17,280 --> 00:35:20,440
him the finger and let let Doughhaney challenge for the belt.

812
00:35:20,800 --> 00:35:23,440
So coming off so you know, you can quarrel with

813
00:35:23,559 --> 00:35:26,280
the guys coming off a knockout loss in a smaller

814
00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:28,719
weight division, and now he's getting an opportunity to fight

815
00:35:28,760 --> 00:35:30,840
for a world title on the heavyweight division. You know,

816
00:35:30,880 --> 00:35:33,000
we can argue about that all day long, but but

817
00:35:33,119 --> 00:35:35,280
the fact of the matter is, uh, Noi in a

818
00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,440
way is probably gonna do that the most every challenger

819
00:35:37,440 --> 00:35:37,800
out there.

820
00:35:38,199 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 1: Uh.

821
00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:42,119
Speaker 3: And so for an experienced guy like nick like Dohaney

822
00:35:42,159 --> 00:35:44,400
to get the chance against nick Ball, you know, it

823
00:35:44,440 --> 00:35:47,119
does shape up like a decent fight, I guess. But

824
00:35:47,199 --> 00:35:49,639
they're bringing him into the hometown, and look, nick Ball

825
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:51,960
is uh, he's at home, and he's going to be

826
00:35:51,960 --> 00:35:53,639
the heavy favorite, and they're looking to move him into

827
00:35:53,639 --> 00:35:55,920
bigger and better things. But for the time being, he's

828
00:35:55,960 --> 00:35:59,000
taken a couple like let's call them slightly softer touches

829
00:35:59,400 --> 00:36:00,199
as he built.

830
00:36:00,119 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 4: Up that fan base at home.

831
00:36:01,679 --> 00:36:04,119
Speaker 3: Uh and Queensberry builds up some of its other Liverpool

832
00:36:04,440 --> 00:36:06,599
area fighters on these undercards.

833
00:36:06,639 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 4: And uh.

834
00:36:07,599 --> 00:36:10,119
Speaker 3: One thing is say Nick Ball's in the ring, whoever

835
00:36:10,159 --> 00:36:12,199
it's against, you gotta figure it's gonna usually be entertaining

836
00:36:12,760 --> 00:36:13,079
like that.

837
00:36:13,159 --> 00:36:15,360
Speaker 1: So that is coming from March. One more item.

838
00:36:15,719 --> 00:36:19,679
Speaker 2: Prominent referee worked a lot of world title fights. Obviously,

839
00:36:19,840 --> 00:36:22,679
Jack Reese is retiring here at the end of this year,

840
00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:25,199
so give me some more details on this item.

841
00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:27,639
Speaker 3: Well, Jack has been one of the best referees in

842
00:36:27,719 --> 00:36:30,719
boxing for a long long time. We've seen him work

843
00:36:30,800 --> 00:36:33,599
numerous of the major fights, but particularly in California, but

844
00:36:33,639 --> 00:36:35,559
he's worked in fights around the world as well.

845
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:36,199
Speaker 4: Uh.

846
00:36:36,239 --> 00:36:39,159
Speaker 3: And just to be just to clarify and actually uh

847
00:36:39,360 --> 00:36:42,800
exchange some emails with Jack last night about this. Jack

848
00:36:42,960 --> 00:36:47,400
is retiring from from refereeing boxing matches, but he's still

849
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:50,039
gonna be a judge with the California State Athletic Commission,

850
00:36:50,039 --> 00:36:52,519
which is good because it's you know, you know, you're

851
00:36:52,559 --> 00:36:55,400
not as physical, it's not really you're not relying on

852
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:59,119
on your on your on your reaction.

853
00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:00,840
Speaker 4: And move and stuff. But you can still watch and.

854
00:37:01,880 --> 00:37:04,519
Speaker 2: And by the way, we need competent judges. We need

855
00:37:04,559 --> 00:37:06,840
guys that know what they're doing judging and gals that

856
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:07,760
know what they're doing judging.

857
00:37:07,760 --> 00:37:08,480
Speaker 1: So I'm all for it.

858
00:37:08,599 --> 00:37:09,519
Speaker 4: Yes, Yeah.

859
00:37:09,599 --> 00:37:13,599
Speaker 3: So, according to box Reck, Jack has worked as a

860
00:37:13,639 --> 00:37:17,920
referee one one hundred and fifty two fights. Wow, that's

861
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,400
a lot of fights. Yes, his last fight that's listed

862
00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:22,679
on box wreck. I guess he hasn't worked any fights

863
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:24,599
since August. There hasn't been a lot of action in

864
00:37:24,639 --> 00:37:28,280
California boxing wife since then. So he goes out having

865
00:37:28,280 --> 00:37:31,400
worked a pretty significant fight. He was the referee on

866
00:37:31,440 --> 00:37:34,960
August third, when Terrence Crawford defeated Israel Majmov to win

867
00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,119
the WBA title at one hundred and fifty four pounds.

868
00:37:37,239 --> 00:37:38,920
So if that's the way you're gonna go out, that's

869
00:37:38,920 --> 00:37:41,639
pretty good. But he's worked so many big fights. Obviously,

870
00:37:41,679 --> 00:37:43,719
the fight, I think a lot of people remember.

871
00:37:43,599 --> 00:37:44,360
Speaker 1: I was coming there.

872
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 2: He was he was counting over Tyson Fury in the

873
00:37:48,400 --> 00:37:50,519
Deontay Wilder fight at the Staples Center, Right, that's what

874
00:37:50,559 --> 00:37:51,199
you were thinking.

875
00:37:51,039 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 1: Of, That's what I was thinking. I will always remember

876
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:54,440
him for that.

877
00:37:54,559 --> 00:37:57,519
Speaker 2: I know you have a much bigger mental rollodex of

878
00:37:57,519 --> 00:37:59,360
bigger fights that he would have been in, but I

879
00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:02,920
will always remember the dramatic count on did Wilder just

880
00:38:03,039 --> 00:38:07,280
knock Fury out? As Jack Reese is going six seven,

881
00:38:07,800 --> 00:38:10,559
eight and suddenly, like your boy the Undertaker in the

882
00:38:10,679 --> 00:38:14,239
WWE up, he comes at eight and nine onto his

883
00:38:14,320 --> 00:38:16,480
feet to finish the round and it ends up being

884
00:38:16,480 --> 00:38:19,440
ach I know, or else we maybe never see a

885
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,920
Fury rematch in the short term. If that ends as

886
00:38:21,960 --> 00:38:23,639
a knockout and Jack Reese's the ref.

887
00:38:23,639 --> 00:38:26,000
Speaker 3: Well, I will say this, the decision that Jack made

888
00:38:26,239 --> 00:38:30,639
on that night to allow Tyson Fury to continue changed

889
00:38:30,679 --> 00:38:33,760
boxing history. I'm not saying that Jack did the wrong thing.

890
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:35,800
I actually don't think he did the wrong thing right.

891
00:38:36,199 --> 00:38:38,760
But if he calls the fight like you said, there

892
00:38:38,760 --> 00:38:41,760
probably isn't a rematch, and then this entire Tyson Fury

893
00:38:41,800 --> 00:38:45,679
era is altered dramatically, and the career of Deontay Wilder

894
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:48,480
is dramatically altered too, because there's no rematch, he doesn't

895
00:38:48,480 --> 00:38:50,440
get drilled in the rematch, and there's no third fight.

896
00:38:50,719 --> 00:38:53,400
But again, I believe that Jack did the right thing.

897
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:57,280
I've always said most referees would have stopped the fight now.

898
00:38:57,440 --> 00:38:59,360
And I say this because and anybody can go and

899
00:38:59,400 --> 00:39:02,159
google this, take it two seconds to find it. Prior

900
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:06,079
to the rematch between Fury and Wilder, I wrote a

901
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:10,519
four thousand word oral history of the twelfth round of

902
00:39:10,800 --> 00:39:14,840
Fury Wilder too, And in that piece I had extensive

903
00:39:14,880 --> 00:39:18,400
interviews about not just everything, but about that round, everything

904
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,599
that happened in that round, all the craziness with Wilder,

905
00:39:21,679 --> 00:39:25,679
with Fury, with Jack, with Shelley Finkle, Deontay's manager, with

906
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:29,440
Ben Davison, who at the time was Fury's trainer, you know,

907
00:39:29,800 --> 00:39:35,119
with Deontay, Wilder's trainer, you know j D's. And we

908
00:39:35,199 --> 00:39:37,880
covered all the bases and Jack had some amazing comments.

909
00:39:38,119 --> 00:39:41,320
We went through it literally second by second of what

910
00:39:41,480 --> 00:39:43,840
he was thinking, what he was seeing, and he makes

911
00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:45,920
the point and I agree with him one thousand percent.

912
00:39:46,159 --> 00:39:48,280
Number One, all the people say, well it was twenty

913
00:39:48,320 --> 00:39:51,840
five seconds, Baba, that's not true. Number two, it doesn't

914
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:55,199
say ten seconds. It's the ten second count of the referee.

915
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,719
He all he and he was alert and as long

916
00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,679
as he was standing with nothing touching the ring, Matt

917
00:40:00,679 --> 00:40:02,679
other than the souls of the seat by the time

918
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,360
Jack would have gotten to ten, it counts if it

919
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:07,079
was a beat too slow, a beat too quick. We

920
00:40:07,079 --> 00:40:09,760
could have the same discussion about the bullshit long count

921
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:12,599
in the supposed long count during the fight between Mike

922
00:40:12,639 --> 00:40:16,519
Tyson and Buster Douglas. Anyway, but the biggest uptake of

923
00:40:16,559 --> 00:40:20,000
that particular controversy is and he made this point when

924
00:40:20,039 --> 00:40:23,840
he went down Tyson Fury's knee was bent, that he

925
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:25,920
felt like if he was completely out, the knee would

926
00:40:25,960 --> 00:40:27,639
be flat, but he was keeping the knee up of

927
00:40:27,639 --> 00:40:29,719
his own volition. And when he got over him and

928
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,840
looked down into his face, and he was the only

929
00:40:31,920 --> 00:40:34,400
one close enough to look down where he could probably

930
00:40:34,440 --> 00:40:38,679
smell Tyson's Fury's breath, he was alert. He was following

931
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,280
him with his eyes. He wasn't out. He said to

932
00:40:41,320 --> 00:40:43,039
me in the interview. You can read it again google

933
00:40:43,079 --> 00:40:46,000
the story that if his eyes were closed, he would

934
00:40:46,039 --> 00:40:48,639
have stopped the fight. But his eyes weren't closed, and

935
00:40:48,679 --> 00:40:51,239
he was following him as he's counting, and he got

936
00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:52,960
up and he was able.

937
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:56,840
Speaker 2: To survive, like over ninety seconds after that slide, he.

938
00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:58,960
Speaker 4: Came back and did well and won the next round

939
00:40:59,239 --> 00:41:00,519
or you know or other finished.

940
00:41:00,880 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 1: He finished a round.

941
00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:04,039
Speaker 3: And probably won the remainder of the round, even though

942
00:41:04,039 --> 00:41:05,760
obviously would go down as a ten eight round because

943
00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:07,840
it was such a heavy knockdown. But the point is

944
00:41:08,559 --> 00:41:11,639
that was his discretion and it was proven correct because

945
00:41:11,679 --> 00:41:14,960
Tyson Fury finished well, he didn't show any damage from

946
00:41:14,960 --> 00:41:16,639
the knockdout and he ended up getting a draw in

947
00:41:16,639 --> 00:41:18,159
the fight. You can di spew out all you want,

948
00:41:18,280 --> 00:41:22,039
but Jack doesn't score the fight anyway. That is a

949
00:41:22,119 --> 00:41:25,079
moment in Jack's career that's probably the most famous. But

950
00:41:25,519 --> 00:41:28,719
he's worked a million fights. I mean again, pretty much

951
00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,719
every big name that's fought in La or in California.

952
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,840
You know, he did so many. You can run down

953
00:41:34,880 --> 00:41:37,199
the list on box Trick. It's you know, from little

954
00:41:37,199 --> 00:41:39,599
four round fights on club shows all the way to

955
00:41:39,599 --> 00:41:42,679
the biggest fights in boxing. For I would say the

956
00:41:42,760 --> 00:41:45,719
last twenty years or so, Jack has been in e leite.

957
00:41:45,800 --> 00:41:51,159
Speaker 2: Particularly Premiere Boxing Champion champions World Championship fights in California

958
00:41:51,280 --> 00:41:52,039
or all over the place.

959
00:41:52,079 --> 00:41:54,159
Speaker 1: He's the main event referee over and over and over again.

960
00:41:54,199 --> 00:41:55,800
Speaker 3: Well, it's got nothing to do with Premiere Boxing team.

961
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:57,880
He's got to do with anybody. He's worked Golden Boy fights,

962
00:41:57,920 --> 00:42:01,400
top ranked fights, every promoter. You know, he did Devin Hainey,

963
00:42:01,400 --> 00:42:03,639
Regis Prograde, that was up in San Francisco. That was

964
00:42:03,679 --> 00:42:06,559
a mattrom fight. No, it's he's assigned by the California Commission.

965
00:42:06,559 --> 00:42:08,239
I had nothing to do with the promoter that. The

966
00:42:08,280 --> 00:42:10,960
reality is he's done. He's been one of the go

967
00:42:11,000 --> 00:42:13,039
to reps for the big fights in California for a

968
00:42:13,159 --> 00:42:15,079
very long time. Every state has them. I mean we

969
00:42:15,159 --> 00:42:17,719
see it in Vegas for years. You know, there's always

970
00:42:17,719 --> 00:42:20,039
been a couple of guys, you know, same in California,

971
00:42:20,079 --> 00:42:21,960
whether it was Tom Taylor, Jack Reese, those are the

972
00:42:21,960 --> 00:42:23,639
guys recently get all the big fights.

973
00:42:23,679 --> 00:42:24,280
Speaker 4: But Jack's beIN.

974
00:42:24,639 --> 00:42:27,559
Speaker 3: He's a he's a great referee and uh and honestly,

975
00:42:27,559 --> 00:42:29,000
I've known it for a long time. He's a great guy.

976
00:42:29,159 --> 00:42:31,639
Speaker 2: On top of that, and by the way, he's not disappearing,

977
00:42:31,639 --> 00:42:33,280
as you said, He'll still be around a big time

978
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:35,599
fights as a judge, we believe down the road. So

979
00:42:35,599 --> 00:42:37,239
this is not go bye goodbye. This is just not

980
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:39,280
refereeing correct at the present time.

981
00:42:39,880 --> 00:42:40,360
Speaker 4: Oh TJ.

982
00:42:40,480 --> 00:42:43,400
Speaker 3: Let me just clarify one thing about Jack Reese. I said,

983
00:42:43,480 --> 00:42:45,519
I mentioned about what is his last fight was, but

984
00:42:45,639 --> 00:42:48,800
actually uh and I had corresponded with Jack to talk

985
00:42:48,800 --> 00:42:51,119
to him all about his decision. But he's actually working

986
00:42:51,159 --> 00:42:53,239
a couple of fights on a card this weekend and

987
00:42:53,280 --> 00:42:55,320
that will be the end of his time in terms

988
00:42:55,320 --> 00:42:57,119
of refereeing. But like I said, he's still going to

989
00:42:57,159 --> 00:43:00,679
continue to work as a judge for the California stand

990
00:43:00,760 --> 00:43:01,480
up by the Commission.

991
00:43:01,599 --> 00:43:04,400
Speaker 2: And by the way, tremendous I mean four thousand words,

992
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:06,559
tremendous stuff about the fury n Now now I want to

993
00:43:06,599 --> 00:43:10,920
go read that coming up, and yeah, it's an amazing

994
00:43:11,000 --> 00:43:15,119
moment in the modern heavyweight title picture that Jack was

995
00:43:15,199 --> 00:43:17,039
right there. We oftentimes forget you were talking about this

996
00:43:17,079 --> 00:43:19,679
with Kenny Bayliss. We oftentimes forget that third guy is

997
00:43:19,760 --> 00:43:22,760
right there for history in all of these different moments.

998
00:43:23,559 --> 00:43:26,400
Sometimes it's dubious history for the referee if they do

999
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:28,760
something stupid, but they're right there as the third person

1000
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:29,199
that's there.

1001
00:43:29,199 --> 00:43:30,960
Speaker 1: I love it on that.

1002
00:43:31,079 --> 00:43:34,639
Speaker 2: Okay, some nostalgia, my friend, and then we are done.

1003
00:43:35,239 --> 00:43:39,079
Let's talk about twenty six years ago, December twelfth, on

1004
00:43:39,119 --> 00:43:42,440
the Thursday night as we released this into Friday, twenty

1005
00:43:42,480 --> 00:43:47,199
six years ago December twelfth, nineteen ninety eight doubleheader that

1006
00:43:47,320 --> 00:43:50,800
included Ivan Robinson Arturo Gotti. I remember this fight with

1007
00:43:50,880 --> 00:43:54,000
the rematch, and as well on the same card Fernando

1008
00:43:54,119 --> 00:43:57,840
Vargas with a knockout and an IBF title fight just

1009
00:43:57,920 --> 00:44:00,000
twenty one years of age. We talked about Fernando Vargas

1010
00:44:00,079 --> 00:44:02,079
several times with the anniversaries here in the recent history.

1011
00:44:02,119 --> 00:44:05,199
Speaker 1: All right, pick up on the nostalgia trail, please.

1012
00:44:05,360 --> 00:44:08,639
Speaker 4: Oh, where do you even start on this one? Now?

1013
00:44:08,960 --> 00:44:11,360
Speaker 3: One of the things about Arto Gotti, who everybody knows

1014
00:44:11,440 --> 00:44:14,039
my all time favorite fighter, is that he was the

1015
00:44:14,119 --> 00:44:16,519
kind of fighter that drew a crowd and drew ratings

1016
00:44:16,519 --> 00:44:18,679
and was popular with the fans and with the press

1017
00:44:18,679 --> 00:44:21,360
and the whole nine win or lose. That's the thing.

1018
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:23,719
I mean, that's the kind of fights he made. And

1019
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:25,960
you know, he did win two world titles, but it

1020
00:44:26,039 --> 00:44:28,199
was the over the top action fights he was in.

1021
00:44:28,519 --> 00:44:31,159
The numerous Fight of the Year candidates and winners that

1022
00:44:31,199 --> 00:44:33,719
he was in. People like to downplays Hall of Fame

1023
00:44:34,679 --> 00:44:37,039
candidacy where he was elected, you know, several years ago

1024
00:44:37,880 --> 00:44:41,960
posthumously unfortunately. But what I don't understand is he may

1025
00:44:41,960 --> 00:44:44,639
not have been like the greatest of the great, but

1026
00:44:44,760 --> 00:44:47,920
he occupied a position within the sport as the greatest

1027
00:44:47,960 --> 00:44:51,199
action fighter of his time, similar to certain guys we

1028
00:44:51,199 --> 00:44:53,719
could talk about from the seventies or the sixties or

1029
00:44:53,719 --> 00:44:56,679
the eighties, et cetera. And one of the reasons why God,

1030
00:44:56,679 --> 00:44:58,760
he's in the Hall of Fame even off a loss,

1031
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,960
is because they were so supernatural in terms of the

1032
00:45:02,079 --> 00:45:05,320
violence and the sheer drama and excitement of the fights

1033
00:45:05,320 --> 00:45:07,199
that he made, and one or two of them actually

1034
00:45:07,199 --> 00:45:10,440
were against Ivan Robinson. Uh in this we're talking about

1035
00:45:10,440 --> 00:45:14,159
the rematch between him and Ivan Robinson. They had well,

1036
00:45:14,199 --> 00:45:16,400
first of all, are they they were friendly with each other.

1037
00:45:16,480 --> 00:45:18,079
Artero had a way about him where he, you know,

1038
00:45:18,119 --> 00:45:21,039
he was friends with his opponents. Oftentimes Mickey Ward became

1039
00:45:21,119 --> 00:45:22,960
his one of the you know, his closest friend in

1040
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:25,760
their midst of their great rivalry. But in terms of

1041
00:45:25,800 --> 00:45:29,800
fighting against Ivan Robinson, who was a good slick boxer

1042
00:45:29,800 --> 00:45:32,159
from Philadelphia but could definitely stand and mix it up,

1043
00:45:32,199 --> 00:45:35,239
had a good chin, never quite reached the world championship level,

1044
00:45:35,280 --> 00:45:39,159
but was like one of the more durable uh TV friendly,

1045
00:45:39,559 --> 00:45:41,559
a guy that was on you know, whether it was

1046
00:45:41,719 --> 00:45:46,079
USA Tuesday Night fights or on the old Friday Night

1047
00:45:46,079 --> 00:45:49,079
fights on ESPN. He was in those types of shows.

1048
00:45:49,840 --> 00:45:51,760
But he you know, he was a worthy type fighter,

1049
00:45:51,800 --> 00:45:53,719
and he got the opportunity to make a match with

1050
00:45:53,840 --> 00:45:55,360
Arto Gutty. Now he was the underdog.

1051
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:55,760
Speaker 4: Obviously.

1052
00:45:56,119 --> 00:45:58,440
Speaker 3: Arturo was coming off of a loss to Angel Man

1053
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:00,320
Freddy where he had moved up the light and the

1054
00:46:00,360 --> 00:46:02,880
reason he lost wasn't because he got dominated. He lost

1055
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,440
because he got badly, badly cut in the doctor and

1056
00:46:05,480 --> 00:46:07,239
the ref decided that the fight needed to be over.

1057
00:46:07,480 --> 00:46:08,320
Speaker 4: So he came back.

1058
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:11,280
Speaker 3: In his return from that fight in August of nineteen

1059
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:16,119
ninety eight, he had a spectacular slugfest against Ivan Robinson.

1060
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:19,440
He knocked Ivan Robinson down in that fight and he

1061
00:46:19,519 --> 00:46:23,920
lost a split decision. That was a fight that was

1062
00:46:23,960 --> 00:46:26,360
determined by many people, including the Ring magazine by the way,

1063
00:46:26,599 --> 00:46:28,039
as the fight of the year, end as the upset

1064
00:46:28,039 --> 00:46:31,119
of the year. Naturally, they did a rematch. HBO had

1065
00:46:31,159 --> 00:46:33,000
done the first fight. They were hot for the second fight,

1066
00:46:33,400 --> 00:46:35,280
so now they go back. The first fight was in

1067
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:38,039
the Boardwalk Call in Atlantic City. They now do the

1068
00:46:38,039 --> 00:46:40,480
fight at the Trump Tazmaha in Atlantic City and now

1069
00:46:40,480 --> 00:46:44,440
we're talking about the rematch, a very anticipated fight. Once again,

1070
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:46,880
they put on another spectacular show. It may not have

1071
00:46:46,960 --> 00:46:48,599
risen to the level of the first fight to be

1072
00:46:48,679 --> 00:46:51,679
voted the fight of the year necessarily, but it wasn't

1073
00:46:51,719 --> 00:46:54,039
all that much different. It was a spectacular fight.

1074
00:46:54,800 --> 00:46:54,920
Speaker 1: You know.

1075
00:46:55,039 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 3: God he ended up losing a very very close decision

1076
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,559
by one point on two of the scorecards. You know,

1077
00:47:00,599 --> 00:47:02,519
really a lot of people kind of thought he won

1078
00:47:02,559 --> 00:47:06,599
the fight. He nearly stopped Ivan Robinson late in that fight,

1079
00:47:07,519 --> 00:47:11,360
could not pull it out, got cut as usual, and

1080
00:47:11,760 --> 00:47:14,480
lost the decision. But like I said when we started

1081
00:47:14,480 --> 00:47:17,199
to discuss the fight, TJ win or lose ar Tirol

1082
00:47:17,239 --> 00:47:21,239
Gotti is in the kinds of fights that you never forget,

1083
00:47:21,239 --> 00:47:22,719
and this was one of them. And I've been obviously

1084
00:47:22,760 --> 00:47:24,960
had to do his part in the show also, But

1085
00:47:25,119 --> 00:47:27,960
without Gotti in there, with that just crazy pressure and

1086
00:47:28,199 --> 00:47:31,840
the drama and the near comeback, you know, it just

1087
00:47:31,920 --> 00:47:32,880
it wouldn't be the same.

1088
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:35,440
Speaker 2: You and I do not rehearse this, as I say

1089
00:47:35,480 --> 00:47:37,079
all the time, you do not know what I'm about

1090
00:47:37,079 --> 00:47:41,119
to say. But I remember this for the fact that

1091
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:43,840
in one of my many broadcast job duties, I do

1092
00:47:43,880 --> 00:47:46,440
a lot of freelance stuff. I was the University of

1093
00:47:46,480 --> 00:47:49,280
South Florida in Tampa's basketball play by play guy, and

1094
00:47:49,280 --> 00:47:52,079
we would travel during the basketball season, obviously to road games.

1095
00:47:52,599 --> 00:47:56,599
I don't remember where, but we were somewhere that night

1096
00:47:57,079 --> 00:47:59,800
and I knew this rematch was happening, and I told

1097
00:47:59,800 --> 00:48:03,360
one of the assistant coaches, my radio partner, a couple

1098
00:48:03,360 --> 00:48:05,440
of other people, I'm like, we have got to see

1099
00:48:05,880 --> 00:48:10,119
this rematch. And you know, they weren't really hardcore fight fans,

1100
00:48:10,639 --> 00:48:14,639
but I remember by round two the all my gods,

1101
00:48:14,679 --> 00:48:16,880
and the yelling and screaming. I mean that is just

1102
00:48:16,920 --> 00:48:21,199
stuck with me now, twenty six years later, that wherever

1103
00:48:21,239 --> 00:48:25,719
we were in that hotel, they were going nuts. And

1104
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,159
I'm sitting and I'm going, I told you, I told

1105
00:48:28,159 --> 00:48:31,480
you because I knew about the first fight, this rematch fight,

1106
00:48:31,519 --> 00:48:34,800
and you're right. I mean, gott he just was always

1107
00:48:34,920 --> 00:48:40,679
in war after war, give and take and dramatic and wild,

1108
00:48:40,840 --> 00:48:41,480
wild fight.

1109
00:48:41,559 --> 00:48:43,360
Speaker 4: So I mean, ambers done.

1110
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:48,960
Speaker 3: He almost came back and scored a tenth round knockout,

1111
00:48:49,519 --> 00:48:51,519
and you know, God, he had been the king of

1112
00:48:51,559 --> 00:48:54,079
the comeback. I mean he had that massive comeback against

1113
00:48:55,039 --> 00:48:58,880
against Wilson Rodriguez to rescue the title, had the comeback

1114
00:48:58,920 --> 00:49:00,760
that was so famous, and the fight of the year

1115
00:49:01,000 --> 00:49:04,840
against Gabriel Ruellis in a knockout victory, and he just

1116
00:49:05,199 --> 00:49:08,400
couldn't get this one done. But you know, just as

1117
00:49:08,440 --> 00:49:11,480
exciting as it gets, you know, if you never saw it.

1118
00:49:11,519 --> 00:49:13,159
You know, again, both of the fights between him and

1119
00:49:13,199 --> 00:49:16,239
Ivan Robinson you can find on YouTube. I mean there's

1120
00:49:16,239 --> 00:49:18,880
spectacular battles, you know, and again they weren't world championship fights,

1121
00:49:18,920 --> 00:49:22,880
but they were the stuff of legendary collisions that made

1122
00:49:23,440 --> 00:49:26,239
Arturo Gaddy. You know, part of his legacy is the

1123
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:28,679
greatest action fighter of his time. I mean, you know,

1124
00:49:28,760 --> 00:49:31,840
from the like the early ninety, like from the ninth

1125
00:49:32,000 --> 00:49:35,119
the for the nineteen nineties, I guess it's fair to say,

1126
00:49:35,199 --> 00:49:37,480
or into the early two thousands even he was the

1127
00:49:37,559 --> 00:49:39,920
number one action star of the time, and it was

1128
00:49:40,480 --> 00:49:41,519
just so over the top.

1129
00:49:41,599 --> 00:49:43,000
Speaker 4: I mean it was just ridiculous.

1130
00:49:43,039 --> 00:49:45,800
Speaker 3: I mean you could go down his resume of his

1131
00:49:45,960 --> 00:49:49,559
career and you could find three four fights that that

1132
00:49:49,840 --> 00:49:52,000
you don't even remember as being fights of the year

1133
00:49:52,039 --> 00:49:54,199
type fights that were just like, oh shit, I forgot

1134
00:49:54,199 --> 00:49:56,280
about that fight. But you don't we to start thinking

1135
00:49:56,280 --> 00:49:58,599
about it? You're like, that's unbelievable. I mean, and it's

1136
00:49:58,639 --> 00:50:00,960
not just the two Robinson fights and Ruellis I mentioned

1137
00:50:01,239 --> 00:50:04,760
even like he fought on on CBS network in May

1138
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:08,440
of nineteen ninety seven, a spectacular fight that gets no credit.

1139
00:50:08,480 --> 00:50:11,920
You could YouTube this. Also he stopped the excellent contender,

1140
00:50:12,039 --> 00:50:15,519
Calvin Grove. Calvin was a little bit past his best days,

1141
00:50:15,519 --> 00:50:18,559
but he was still a very quality, solid guy. And

1142
00:50:18,639 --> 00:50:21,400
that was the fucking war, you know, the when he

1143
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,239
won one of the that forgets the first of the

1144
00:50:24,239 --> 00:50:25,880
second fight he boxed, won in one of them, and

1145
00:50:25,920 --> 00:50:29,039
won the when he won a junior lightweight title against

1146
00:50:29,039 --> 00:50:32,719
Tracy Patterson. Uh, but that was a good fight. I mean,

1147
00:50:33,320 --> 00:50:35,480
just and we're not even talking about the Mickey Ward fights.

1148
00:50:35,519 --> 00:50:38,039
I mean, that's exactly the reason why yead he became

1149
00:50:38,119 --> 00:50:41,039
such a fucking legend is because most people think about

1150
00:50:41,079 --> 00:50:43,719
the Mickey Ward trilogy. But if you take the Mickey

1151
00:50:43,719 --> 00:50:46,599
Ward trilogy out of the equation, he still has another

1152
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:49,719
half a dozen superb ridiculous fights.

1153
00:50:49,719 --> 00:50:52,400
Speaker 1: Just like this. But that was not all that night.

1154
00:50:52,440 --> 00:50:54,719
As well, the exact nostalgiic go ahead.

1155
00:50:55,239 --> 00:50:57,800
Speaker 3: Well in the co feature. This was a big moment

1156
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,920
for Fernando Vargas. He was a rising star. He was

1157
00:51:01,639 --> 00:51:04,559
he had been the United States Olympian in nineteen ninety six,

1158
00:51:04,599 --> 00:51:06,599
and he had done his apprenticeship if you want to

1159
00:51:06,599 --> 00:51:09,039
call it that, where he was fighting regularly and he

1160
00:51:09,079 --> 00:51:10,679
was still a young guy. He was only twenty one

1161
00:51:10,760 --> 00:51:13,639
years old, and a lot of people at the time

1162
00:51:13,639 --> 00:51:15,119
when this fight was made they thought, you know what,

1163
00:51:15,880 --> 00:51:18,480
it was very similar to his Olympic teammate Floyd Mayweather.

1164
00:51:18,679 --> 00:51:20,960
Remember when they matched Floyd Mayweather for the junior lightweight

1165
00:51:21,000 --> 00:51:24,840
title against Genera Hernandez. They extremely well respected champion, a

1166
00:51:24,920 --> 00:51:28,000
guy that had never lost in that weight class. He'd

1167
00:51:28,000 --> 00:51:30,480
only previously lost in the lightweight division when he lost

1168
00:51:30,519 --> 00:51:32,840
to Oscar de la Hoya and because of a badly,

1169
00:51:32,920 --> 00:51:36,679
badly broken nose. Anyway, similar situation. They take Fernando Vargus,

1170
00:51:36,679 --> 00:51:38,760
who by the way is fourteen and oh at the

1171
00:51:38,800 --> 00:51:41,400
time a twenty one years old. He's a rising star.

1172
00:51:41,480 --> 00:51:45,079
He's been on HBO now you know, and getting exposure

1173
00:51:45,079 --> 00:51:47,440
on some big undercards of pay per views. They match

1174
00:51:47,519 --> 00:51:50,679
him up with Yori boy campus a very hard nosed,

1175
00:51:50,760 --> 00:51:54,519
durable not most not the most skillful guy, but just

1176
00:51:54,519 --> 00:51:57,840
the you know, a hardened veteran IDF champion in Yuri

1177
00:51:57,880 --> 00:52:00,440
Boy Campus, who, by the way, seventy two wins and

1178
00:52:00,440 --> 00:52:03,679
two losses going into this fight. I mean, you know,

1179
00:52:04,480 --> 00:52:07,039
he's and he's a hard what they called me, he's

1180
00:52:07,039 --> 00:52:08,599
a hard man, you know what I mean. Like, you're

1181
00:52:08,639 --> 00:52:11,159
never gonna even if he loses the fight, you're never

1182
00:52:11,199 --> 00:52:13,360
gonna have an easy night with Yori Boy Campus. He

1183
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:16,000
is gonna give you hell to the bell, is the point.

1184
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:18,400
And if you take a look in his record going

1185
00:52:18,400 --> 00:52:20,880
into the fight against Fernando Vargas, now he obviously became

1186
00:52:20,960 --> 00:52:23,159
much more let's call it journeyman ish as he went

1187
00:52:23,199 --> 00:52:26,280
along as older fighters do. His only losses before that

1188
00:52:26,840 --> 00:52:30,000
he had been stopped by Felix Trinidad in an IBF

1189
00:52:30,039 --> 00:52:34,199
welterweight title fight. When he knocked Trinidad down. That was

1190
00:52:34,239 --> 00:52:37,519
a great victory for Trinidad considered at that time Yori

1191
00:52:37,559 --> 00:52:40,159
Boy was, you know, was a tough out and he

1192
00:52:40,239 --> 00:52:43,079
got stopped, not stopped, but he lost a few years

1193
00:52:43,119 --> 00:52:45,440
later he did get stopped also to a top Mexican

1194
00:52:45,440 --> 00:52:48,719
contender named Jose Louis. Slope has also had some appearances

1195
00:52:48,719 --> 00:52:51,000
on HBO. Was one of the better welterweights and jinger

1196
00:52:51,000 --> 00:52:53,000
middleweights of that era in the like the mid to

1197
00:52:53,079 --> 00:52:55,920
late nineties. Anyway, now he's going in with the twenty

1198
00:52:55,920 --> 00:52:57,559
one year old fourteen and oh kid, he's won the

1199
00:52:57,559 --> 00:53:01,599
world title in in this particular fight. You know, he's

1200
00:53:01,599 --> 00:53:04,679
defending the title, and like I said, a lot of

1201
00:53:04,679 --> 00:53:07,880
people thought Vargas is going to give him a hard time,

1202
00:53:07,960 --> 00:53:09,960
but maybe Campus is a little bit too much for him,

1203
00:53:10,239 --> 00:53:12,280
you know, and nobody really kind of quite knew what

1204
00:53:12,280 --> 00:53:14,639
what was going to be the case. But Fernando Vargus

1205
00:53:14,639 --> 00:53:17,119
went out there and really laid it on him. Just

1206
00:53:17,159 --> 00:53:19,280
look tremendous, you know, looked like the star that everybody

1207
00:53:19,320 --> 00:53:21,639
thought he was going to be and thought a super fight.

1208
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:24,239
Dominated was up on all the cards easily, like shutout

1209
00:53:24,280 --> 00:53:27,119
scores at least on one of the score cards. Anyway,

1210
00:53:27,159 --> 00:53:30,079
as I recall, anyway, he made Uri boy Campus. This

1211
00:53:30,199 --> 00:53:32,920
was kind of a shocker that the that he quit.

1212
00:53:33,000 --> 00:53:35,559
He retired in the corner after round seven and gave

1213
00:53:35,599 --> 00:53:39,079
Fernando Vargas the world title. He became at age twenty one,

1214
00:53:39,119 --> 00:53:41,559
a world champion, and you know, it was it was

1215
00:53:41,639 --> 00:53:44,679
quite a big deal, you know, the rain that he had.

1216
00:53:44,760 --> 00:53:47,320
Fernando did not last that long in terms of that

1217
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:49,639
first one because ultimately he met himp with Tito Trinidatte

1218
00:53:49,639 --> 00:53:54,840
also in their massive unification fight. But it launched Fernando

1219
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:56,440
into a series of bigger fights.

1220
00:53:56,440 --> 00:53:56,880
Speaker 4: I mean, he.

1221
00:53:56,920 --> 00:53:59,320
Speaker 3: Thought a couple of like lesser fights right after that,

1222
00:53:59,360 --> 00:54:03,760
he thought Lennox Lewis heavyweight undercard. He fought our boy

1223
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:06,400
Raul Marquez and defeated him. Then he had the two

1224
00:54:06,400 --> 00:54:10,519
big wins against Winky Wright and Ike Quartet.

1225
00:54:09,639 --> 00:54:13,599
Speaker 2: Petersburg, Florida's Winky Right, And we talked about that anniversary,

1226
00:54:13,599 --> 00:54:15,960
what about a week ago, two weeks ago that he

1227
00:54:16,000 --> 00:54:18,400
won that fight something like that, and then the Trinidad

1228
00:54:18,440 --> 00:54:20,159
anniversary was right around now.

1229
00:54:20,320 --> 00:54:23,440
Speaker 3: Well, but after Winking and Quarte, he went into the

1230
00:54:23,480 --> 00:54:26,000
mandatory that summer of two thousand and then fought Trinidad.

1231
00:54:26,079 --> 00:54:30,320
So that stretch from December of ninety eight when he

1232
00:54:30,400 --> 00:54:34,360
stops campus to win the IBF title through the loss

1233
00:54:34,360 --> 00:54:37,760
to Trinidad in December of two thousand, that was a

1234
00:54:37,800 --> 00:54:40,440
full two year stretch where he was active and he

1235
00:54:40,519 --> 00:54:43,079
was beating good opponents. That was the Felix or rather

1236
00:54:43,159 --> 00:54:46,119
that was the Fernando Vargas Prime, but it really started

1237
00:54:46,400 --> 00:54:49,360
with a really excellent victory against joy Boy Campus on

1238
00:54:49,480 --> 00:54:52,000
the undercard of a main event that turned out to be,

1239
00:54:52,400 --> 00:54:55,320
you know, a Fight of the Year contender with Gaddy

1240
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:57,079
and Ivan Robinson. So that was just a great night

1241
00:54:57,079 --> 00:54:57,920
of fights on HBO.

1242
00:54:58,719 --> 00:54:59,960
Speaker 1: That is from nineteen.

1243
00:55:00,719 --> 00:55:05,280
Speaker 2: So move forward of fifteen years December fourteenth, the anniversary

1244
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:09,920
of Saturday, December fourteenth, twenty thirteen, Marcus May Donna Marcos

1245
00:55:10,000 --> 00:55:14,960
Madonna ends up winning the WBA Welterweight Championship in the

1246
00:55:15,000 --> 00:55:17,679
Alamo Dome in San Antonio, Texas with a win over

1247
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:21,960
Adrian Broner. And you were there, What do you recall

1248
00:55:22,079 --> 00:55:22,679
from that night?

1249
00:55:23,599 --> 00:55:26,119
Speaker 3: Well, I remember a lot, but this was this was

1250
00:55:26,159 --> 00:55:28,480
a fun night at the fights in the Alamo Dome.

1251
00:55:28,519 --> 00:55:29,800
And it was kind of funny because here you have

1252
00:55:29,840 --> 00:55:33,519
Adrian Broner, the American fighter, and he's fighting Madonna, you know,

1253
00:55:33,559 --> 00:55:38,599
who's from Argentina. And it was a heavily Latino crowd

1254
00:55:38,599 --> 00:55:41,440
obviously in San Antonio. But it's like, even though Broner

1255
00:55:41,519 --> 00:55:44,199
was the American, they kind of adopted the Argentine guy

1256
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:46,920
to root for as a fellow Latino and all rooted

1257
00:55:46,960 --> 00:55:49,920
against you know, the Adrian Broner, which was kind of hilarious.

1258
00:55:50,679 --> 00:55:53,679
That was sort of surprising. But the point was he's

1259
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:56,000
going into this fight Broner, he was a rising star.

1260
00:55:56,119 --> 00:55:59,079
He'd been getting a ton of attention on HBO. He

1261
00:55:59,320 --> 00:56:02,599
was and and you know and and uh later on showtime.

1262
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:04,400
You know, he was involved in quite a number of

1263
00:56:04,400 --> 00:56:07,960
significant fights, uh that were that were popular because of

1264
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:10,119
his sort of crazy personality and you know, he had

1265
00:56:10,119 --> 00:56:10,960
a flashy style.

1266
00:56:11,559 --> 00:56:11,800
Speaker 4: Uh.

1267
00:56:11,840 --> 00:56:13,960
Speaker 3: But this was really the end I think of what

1268
00:56:14,079 --> 00:56:16,480
would and now if you look back at what Adrian

1269
00:56:16,519 --> 00:56:19,920
Broner's prime was because he had won a title, looked good,

1270
00:56:19,960 --> 00:56:22,639
defended the title, even though not necessarily against huge names.

1271
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:26,079
He had had a good win against Antonio DeMarco, beat

1272
00:56:26,119 --> 00:56:30,800
the the British fighter Gavinies, had a decision over Pauly Malanaji.

1273
00:56:31,039 --> 00:56:33,400
Now he goes into Madonna fight. He's a heavy favorite.

1274
00:56:33,559 --> 00:56:36,599
I know Madonna became uh, you know, like a boogeyman

1275
00:56:36,639 --> 00:56:38,679
to some people. Gave Floyd Mayweather very you know, two

1276
00:56:38,760 --> 00:56:40,920
very good fights and this and that. But the reality

1277
00:56:41,000 --> 00:56:43,280
was going into the fight with Broner, you know, people

1278
00:56:43,360 --> 00:56:46,280
respected Madonna, but everybody expected Broner to be the winner.

1279
00:56:46,480 --> 00:56:50,119
That was not even up for debate. And Madonna basically

1280
00:56:50,199 --> 00:56:52,719
embarrassed Broner. I mean it was and it wasn't like

1281
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:55,400
Broner in common shape or anything like that, but he

1282
00:56:55,480 --> 00:56:57,960
embarrassed him. Uh, and he won the title the w

1283
00:56:58,119 --> 00:57:01,159
This was a w BA Welterway title. The Ring magazine

1284
00:57:01,159 --> 00:57:02,719
and a lot of people picked it as the upset

1285
00:57:02,760 --> 00:57:04,039
of the year in twenty thirteen.

1286
00:57:04,079 --> 00:57:05,320
Speaker 4: That's how much.

1287
00:57:05,480 --> 00:57:08,079
Speaker 3: Uh, Broner was respected at that time for what he

1288
00:57:08,119 --> 00:57:11,079
was doing. And it was like a wild night because,

1289
00:57:11,079 --> 00:57:12,719
like I said, you figured the Americans going to be

1290
00:57:12,800 --> 00:57:16,039
the crowd favorite, but no, they were rooting for Madonna.

1291
00:57:16,719 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 4: Uh. And they they put on a very good fight.

1292
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:22,599
Speaker 3: But the fact of the matter was Madonna just had

1293
00:57:22,679 --> 00:57:24,440
you know, his way with Berner in many respects. He

1294
00:57:24,519 --> 00:57:27,119
knocked him down, uh in the second round, knocking down

1295
00:57:27,119 --> 00:57:28,480
in the eighth round. There was a moment, I forget

1296
00:57:28,480 --> 00:57:30,480
what round it was, where you know, the referee had

1297
00:57:30,480 --> 00:57:33,239
to admonish him because you know, he was basically, you know,

1298
00:57:33,679 --> 00:57:36,440
kind of clowning. He started humping him like it was ridiculous.

1299
00:57:36,719 --> 00:57:39,599
It was ridiculous and It was very funny to a

1300
00:57:39,639 --> 00:57:42,320
lot of people. But he just he ran through them

1301
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:43,840
like you know, what's the old thing? He ran through

1302
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:45,239
him like shit through a goose, you know what I mean.

1303
00:57:45,440 --> 00:57:49,880
Cool and uh and uh it was a very humbling loss.

1304
00:57:49,920 --> 00:57:51,800
If Adrian Broner could be humble at any point in

1305
00:57:51,800 --> 00:57:54,440
his life. One I'm looking at the score cards. I

1306
00:57:54,440 --> 00:57:56,760
just looked over here, one fifteen to one ten, one

1307
00:57:56,880 --> 00:58:00,000
seventeen one on nine, one sixteen, one oh nine. Uh

1308
00:58:00,079 --> 00:58:01,920
might not have even even been that close, to be

1309
00:58:01,960 --> 00:58:04,760
honest with you. And Madonna went on to do bigger

1310
00:58:04,760 --> 00:58:06,920
and better things, but the Broner fight was a fun fight,

1311
00:58:07,519 --> 00:58:10,480
and uh, he just embarrassed, like at the time, the

1312
00:58:10,519 --> 00:58:12,960
brash this guy in boxing who you know, thought he

1313
00:58:13,039 --> 00:58:15,599
was superman and could do anything. And it didn't quite

1314
00:58:15,639 --> 00:58:17,079
turn out that way now, did it. And it was

1315
00:58:17,119 --> 00:58:18,719
a big car too, by the way, because it wasn't

1316
00:58:18,719 --> 00:58:21,199
just that was obviously the culmination of the show. But

1317
00:58:21,239 --> 00:58:23,800
you had, uh, maybe not mega fights, but you had

1318
00:58:23,880 --> 00:58:25,880
Leo Santa Cruizes on there defending the title at one

1319
00:58:25,920 --> 00:58:28,000
hundred and twenty two pounds. You had Keith Thurman, who

1320
00:58:28,079 --> 00:58:31,119
was you know, still you know, active at that point,

1321
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:33,880
you're gonna say, now your boy, clearwater zone.

1322
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:34,599
Speaker 1: Clearwater Zone.

1323
00:58:34,719 --> 00:58:36,679
Speaker 2: Keith Thurman was on the way up right, not yet

1324
00:58:36,679 --> 00:58:38,800
a world champion at one hundred and forty seven.

1325
00:58:39,000 --> 00:58:39,320
Speaker 4: Correct.

1326
00:58:39,360 --> 00:58:42,599
Speaker 3: He fought against Jose Jesus so too carrass he had

1327
00:58:43,400 --> 00:58:46,840
even like they're comebacking. Jermaine Taylor fought off TV like

1328
00:58:46,920 --> 00:58:48,760
low down, and the other could actually look good after

1329
00:58:48,800 --> 00:58:51,360
he had been off for a while. Young Robert Easter,

1330
00:58:51,400 --> 00:58:53,599
who went on to win a lightweight wor all title.

1331
00:58:53,679 --> 00:58:57,159
You know, they actually had three guys that became like

1332
00:58:57,239 --> 00:59:01,519
PBC sort of uh fighters that you recognize, and one

1333
00:59:01,559 --> 00:59:03,880
went with top rank anyone winning world titles. Jamelle Herring,

1334
00:59:03,960 --> 00:59:06,559
Rushie Warren, and Robert Easter, all on the undercart, all

1335
00:59:06,599 --> 00:59:08,519
went on to win world titles, All who had been

1336
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:12,679
United States Olympians, were all top amateurs, with Warren and

1337
00:59:12,719 --> 00:59:15,800
Herring being outstanding amateurs. But this was a good fun card.

1338
00:59:16,159 --> 00:59:18,639
Yet Babboot Schumanov you know, who went on to become

1339
00:59:18,679 --> 00:59:22,679
a world champion, also on the card. But the main

1340
00:59:22,679 --> 00:59:26,920
event Broner and a Donna. Very very fun kind of

1341
00:59:27,000 --> 00:59:28,400
I wouldn't say it was like the fight of the Year,

1342
00:59:28,440 --> 00:59:29,880
but it was just if you were there or you

1343
00:59:29,920 --> 00:59:31,920
saw it. It was one of those fights like, oh yeah,

1344
00:59:31,920 --> 00:59:33,320
I remember, that was a hell of a fight. And

1345
00:59:33,400 --> 00:59:34,599
then did he embarrass Broner.

1346
00:59:34,639 --> 00:59:37,119
Speaker 2: This was somewhere around the time frame where Broner did

1347
00:59:37,119 --> 00:59:38,679
the post fight not in this fight, but did the

1348
00:59:38,679 --> 00:59:40,880
post fight interview with the hair brush, where he was

1349
00:59:40,920 --> 00:59:43,719
literally interviewing himself like with a hair brush, and we

1350
00:59:43,760 --> 00:59:47,199
began under We began to understand his cheese is falling

1351
00:59:47,199 --> 00:59:51,199
off of his cracker. So, in any event, good nostalgia

1352
00:59:51,639 --> 00:59:53,079
on that. All right, we've been here a little bit.

1353
00:59:53,199 --> 00:59:54,519
Speaker 4: By the way, let me just tell what I think.

1354
00:59:54,719 --> 00:59:56,880
Speaker 3: This was the fight that when Madonna won in the

1355
00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:59,880
manner in which he did and won the welterweight belt

1356
01:00:00,360 --> 01:00:02,559
his neck. This is what helped him get the Mayweather fight,

1357
01:00:02,559 --> 01:00:05,519
because his next fight was the first Mayweather fight, where

1358
01:00:05,519 --> 01:00:07,880
he did very well, and then Floyd gave him a rematch.

1359
01:00:07,920 --> 01:00:10,360
So off the Broner fight, he got back to back

1360
01:00:10,480 --> 01:00:14,119
victories against Floyd Mayweather and then retired and never fought again,

1361
01:00:14,159 --> 01:00:16,559
even though there was always rumors he would make a comeback.

1362
01:00:16,599 --> 01:00:18,840
But so this was in fact, this was the last

1363
01:00:18,920 --> 01:00:22,760
victory of Marcus Maydona's career where he was at his

1364
01:00:23,920 --> 01:00:25,639
best level. I guess because like I said, he got

1365
01:00:25,639 --> 01:00:27,719
the two Mayweather fights, he quitted himself.

1366
01:00:27,400 --> 01:00:31,400
Speaker 2: And correct, he is the only championship rematch that Mayweather

1367
01:00:31,440 --> 01:00:31,920
ever had.

1368
01:00:31,960 --> 01:00:33,039
Speaker 1: I think I'm correct on that.

1369
01:00:33,039 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 4: That man correct on that.

1370
01:00:34,599 --> 01:00:36,039
Speaker 1: Who was the other one that I thought? It was

1371
01:00:36,079 --> 01:00:36,440
only one?

1372
01:00:36,480 --> 01:00:36,960
Speaker 4: But maybe no?

1373
01:00:36,960 --> 01:00:40,119
Speaker 3: No, he won the lightweight title against Jose Luis Castillo

1374
01:00:40,400 --> 01:00:41,920
and then he gave him an immediate rematch.

1375
01:00:41,960 --> 01:00:44,880
Speaker 2: Okay, but Maydonna got two fights with Mayweather basically off

1376
01:00:44,920 --> 01:00:46,159
of this, which is what your point is.

1377
01:00:46,199 --> 01:00:48,519
Speaker 3: And Castillo got the second fight because he had thought

1378
01:00:48,559 --> 01:00:50,199
a fight against Floyd the first time around, where so

1379
01:00:50,239 --> 01:00:52,360
many people thought that Castillo, you know, should have been

1380
01:00:52,400 --> 01:00:55,079
the winner. That was really the one sort of controversial

1381
01:00:55,440 --> 01:00:58,760
victory that Floyd had in his entire fifty fight career.

1382
01:00:58,800 --> 01:01:01,039
But may kind of though, you know, it's funny, he

1383
01:01:01,639 --> 01:01:03,800
was at his like his apex, let's call it, and

1384
01:01:03,840 --> 01:01:06,239
he got the two megafights of Floyd, didn't win either,

1385
01:01:06,239 --> 01:01:07,800
and then just walked away. I mean, he made so

1386
01:01:07,880 --> 01:01:10,000
much money from those two fights, and I guess that

1387
01:01:10,000 --> 01:01:11,920
the tens of millions that he ended up making all together,

1388
01:01:12,039 --> 01:01:14,920
not on tens of but certainly you know million, well

1389
01:01:15,280 --> 01:01:18,360
well beyond ten million. That goes a long way if

1390
01:01:18,400 --> 01:01:20,920
you're living just a low key life in Argentina.

1391
01:01:21,800 --> 01:01:23,440
Speaker 1: Gotta love that, all right.

1392
01:01:23,639 --> 01:01:26,280
Speaker 2: We have been here a bit busy, lots on the

1393
01:01:26,320 --> 01:01:31,360
preview mode Himimongia main event, Tijuana, MJ Madayev earlier in

1394
01:01:31,400 --> 01:01:33,800
the day our time in the United States in Monte Carlo,

1395
01:01:34,000 --> 01:01:37,280
Alexis Rocha Saturday Night in California and the Golden Boys

1396
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:42,400
Show and even Dillion White on Sunday. No confirmation on

1397
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:44,679
who's staying in the holiday in Express and Gibraltar.

1398
01:01:45,599 --> 01:01:47,519
Speaker 1: But all good, all good on all of this.

1399
01:01:47,559 --> 01:01:50,320
Speaker 2: Why don't you and I reconvene and we'll handicap some

1400
01:01:50,360 --> 01:01:52,639
of these bouts, these main events on the bet Us

1401
01:01:52,679 --> 01:01:57,519
Boxing Show Friday one Eastern Time on their platforms and

1402
01:01:57,639 --> 01:01:59,559
look forward to what's happening there, and then whatever happens

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will come back off the weekend with a fight Freaks

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Unit recap podcast like all that. We're good, We're good

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that you That is the one and only Dan Rayfield.

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I am merely TJ Reeves again. Follow Subscribe, ratest, Reviewers, Apples, Freaker, Spotify,

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here at the end of the year if you love

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the content again, we've got Usek Purity rematch coming.

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Speaker 1: But we've been here all year putting in the work, previewing.

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Speaker 2: Going into the weekend, recapping coming off the weekend. Give

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us a five star review, will you, and make sure

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to be with us here on the pod feed. For now,

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we are good previewing going into the weekend on the

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Big Fight Weekend Preview Pod