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If you want to 12 00:00:38.079 --> 00:00:40.600 join me, just give you a call Tom Talkgun That's 13 00:00:40.640 --> 00:00:42.880 the magic number here. You know, I've been doing this 14 00:00:42.920 --> 00:00:46.240 a long time and I've known a lot of these 15 00:00:46.240 --> 00:00:49.200 folks a long time. Joining me right now is one 16 00:00:49.200 --> 00:00:51.719 of the very top shooters. He has won pretty much 17 00:00:51.759 --> 00:00:55.759 everything Miam dozens of times national champion, dozens of times 18 00:00:55.840 --> 00:00:59.840 World champion, just set records. I mean, he's been shooting 19 00:00:59.840 --> 00:01:04.200 in winning matches since before he needed to shave. We 20 00:01:04.239 --> 00:01:06.519 are now joined by Rob Latham, and Rob I joined 21 00:01:06.560 --> 00:01:08.439 you and I greet you in the way of old 22 00:01:08.439 --> 00:01:09.760 shooters everywhere, which. 23 00:01:09.560 --> 00:01:12.640 Is huh huh, I can't hear you. 24 00:01:12.680 --> 00:01:17.719 What how are you doing? 25 00:01:19.159 --> 00:01:21.719 I am good. It's been about a while since we've talked. 26 00:01:21.760 --> 00:01:22.319 I miss it. 27 00:01:23.079 --> 00:01:25.640 I know it has been. I was looking. I sent 28 00:01:25.680 --> 00:01:27.159 you that link. I was look at that Old Dale 29 00:01:27.280 --> 00:01:32.159 nineteen ninety nine Sportsman's Team challenge. You look young and 30 00:01:32.239 --> 00:01:33.760 I look younger. So there you go. 31 00:01:34.400 --> 00:01:36.799 Yeah, I was younger, I was skinnier, and hey, let's 32 00:01:36.799 --> 00:01:40.359 get to shaven. Things started getting squared away. I was 33 00:01:40.400 --> 00:01:45.239 shaving in seventh grade, sixth grade, so come on. Of course, 34 00:01:45.719 --> 00:01:47.840 of course I was. I was twenty four years old. 35 00:01:47.840 --> 00:01:48.760 But that's the way it was that. 36 00:01:49.719 --> 00:01:51.920 I wasn't going to go there. But you read yourself out, 37 00:01:51.959 --> 00:01:53.760 So what can I tell you? So there you go. 38 00:01:54.280 --> 00:01:56.920 My sixth times through the third grade. I did great. 39 00:01:57.760 --> 00:01:59.879 Yeah, there you go, third times a charm. They say 40 00:02:00.079 --> 00:02:00.719 that's a good thing. 41 00:02:00.840 --> 00:02:01.040 Yep. 42 00:02:01.079 --> 00:02:05.400 Birds all right, So you have literally won matches everywhere 43 00:02:05.400 --> 00:02:09.240 you've been shooting pistols since you and John Browning worked together. 44 00:02:09.240 --> 00:02:10.560 I remember that very well. 45 00:02:10.879 --> 00:02:15.240 I remember old Johnny all right. 46 00:02:15.280 --> 00:02:19.599 But also not only that, you have been teaching people 47 00:02:19.639 --> 00:02:22.080 to shoot because you are a hell of an instructor. 48 00:02:22.080 --> 00:02:24.159 You did a class down it range ready, and it 49 00:02:24.199 --> 00:02:26.560 was kind of a combination of shooting instruction and stand 50 00:02:26.639 --> 00:02:28.560 up comedy, which was a hoot and a half. You 51 00:02:28.639 --> 00:02:30.159 and christ Arino hot to go on the road. 52 00:02:30.199 --> 00:02:34.759 Man, Well, everybody needs to recognize you know that you're 53 00:02:34.759 --> 00:02:36.639 gonna laugh at everything, and you're gonna cry, so you 54 00:02:36.680 --> 00:02:40.560 may as well laugh. It's more fun than crying. And well, yeah, 55 00:02:40.639 --> 00:02:43.800 well there are serious things going on, especially when we 56 00:02:43.800 --> 00:02:46.520 were training. You got to have a sense of humor. 57 00:02:46.560 --> 00:02:50.439 It's easier to absorb your mistakes when it's funny than 58 00:02:50.479 --> 00:02:52.479 if you take it too seriously. And that's what a 59 00:02:52.520 --> 00:02:54.960 lot of classes is, finding out things you need to change, 60 00:02:55.000 --> 00:02:56.680 things you need to do things you didn't know. 61 00:02:57.960 --> 00:03:01.680 All right, So you have taught everybody from literally beginning 62 00:03:01.680 --> 00:03:05.879 shooters to world class shooters. And the question I have 63 00:03:06.120 --> 00:03:07.719 is why do we keep missing? 64 00:03:10.039 --> 00:03:16.560 The biggest reason, the single largest reason, is, without a doubt, 65 00:03:17.360 --> 00:03:20.639 trying to focus on things that we can't do well, 66 00:03:21.520 --> 00:03:24.280 that aren't even that important, and we don't focus on 67 00:03:24.400 --> 00:03:27.000 doing things that are important that we don't do well. 68 00:03:27.039 --> 00:03:28.840 So it's I mean, most of us can look at 69 00:03:28.879 --> 00:03:30.840 the sites really well, so I tell you to aim 70 00:03:30.960 --> 00:03:33.120 I actually never have to tell anybody to aim anymore. 71 00:03:33.159 --> 00:03:34.879 But if I tell you to aim, you know what 72 00:03:34.919 --> 00:03:37.280 that means. If I tell you to pull the trigger 73 00:03:37.319 --> 00:03:39.599 really fast without moving the gun, and I may even 74 00:03:39.599 --> 00:03:42.120 call it jerk, and nobody knows what that means. So 75 00:03:42.319 --> 00:03:48.000 there's a learning process to absorb concepts. But the mechanical 76 00:03:48.039 --> 00:03:52.919 mistake that is most often made is, I'll put it 77 00:03:52.919 --> 00:03:56.159 twofold one. We move the gun when we're trying to 78 00:03:56.159 --> 00:03:59.080 shoot it. Most of us can hold the gun pretty steady. 79 00:03:59.080 --> 00:04:01.680 When we're not trying to most of us can get 80 00:04:01.680 --> 00:04:04.400 it aligned or not shooting. But throwing in the needed 81 00:04:04.439 --> 00:04:09.599 to shoot component causes us to move the gun. It's 82 00:04:09.599 --> 00:04:13.639 moving the gun. And the second portion is we tend 83 00:04:13.639 --> 00:04:18.000 to practice things slow and say to slow down learn 84 00:04:18.040 --> 00:04:20.720 how to do it, which is great for a starting point, 85 00:04:20.920 --> 00:04:24.560 but when you need that later on, you're unlikely to 86 00:04:24.600 --> 00:04:26.959 have that time. So we have to learn to do 87 00:04:27.040 --> 00:04:29.839 some things fast. There's just no you know, there's no 88 00:04:29.959 --> 00:04:32.160 carryover to it doing it slow, you know. 89 00:04:32.399 --> 00:04:35.720 So shooting slowly doesn't teach you how it'll shoot fast. 90 00:04:35.959 --> 00:04:38.319 Oh, absolutely not. No, There're two different things. It's like 91 00:04:38.439 --> 00:04:42.199 running and walking. You know, there's there's associated movements. I 92 00:04:42.240 --> 00:04:45.079 mean obviously using your finger using the trigger, and you're 93 00:04:45.120 --> 00:04:48.680 gripping the gun, but the process of moving your finger 94 00:04:48.800 --> 00:04:52.879 to fire the gun, to pull the trigger is poorly 95 00:04:53.000 --> 00:04:57.680 understood and quite often, uh, well what the nice how 96 00:04:57.759 --> 00:04:59.360 the nice way to say this is out sound like 97 00:04:59.439 --> 00:05:02.519 a bu ahead Tom. It's taught wrong. 98 00:05:02.800 --> 00:05:06.279 It's taught wrong by people who don't know what they're 99 00:05:06.279 --> 00:05:06.879 talking about. 100 00:05:07.519 --> 00:05:09.759 Yeah, there's a that's a that's a perfect way of 101 00:05:09.800 --> 00:05:12.279 doing it, my heart. The hardest way I usually say 102 00:05:12.360 --> 00:05:15.360 is when I have someone that's having a struggle and 103 00:05:15.399 --> 00:05:17.600 they're saying and they say to themselves. You'll hear them 104 00:05:17.680 --> 00:05:19.680 say it under their breath or even out loud. They say, 105 00:05:19.720 --> 00:05:21.120 I just need to slow down, and says no, you 106 00:05:21.120 --> 00:05:24.439 can't slow down. I mean there's no time to slow down. 107 00:05:24.439 --> 00:05:28.519 Slow down is a guaranteed failure. Doing it fast might fail, 108 00:05:28.800 --> 00:05:31.199 but doing it slow means you probably don't get a 109 00:05:31.279 --> 00:05:34.079 chance to fail. And I think that's hard for people 110 00:05:34.120 --> 00:05:36.560 to understand that. If you're in a circumstance where you 111 00:05:36.600 --> 00:05:40.319 have time, that's great, but if you have time, if 112 00:05:40.319 --> 00:05:43.600 you don't have time, then the process has to occur quickly. 113 00:05:44.199 --> 00:05:48.399 And I think most people honestly don't understand the mechanism 114 00:05:48.600 --> 00:05:52.240 well enough of pulling the trigger quickly. 115 00:05:54.120 --> 00:05:56.319 Disturbing the sites right. 116 00:05:56.160 --> 00:06:00.879 Well and are moving them much Let's say, yeah, okay, 117 00:06:01.040 --> 00:06:02.639 when we get when you get to aim. And one 118 00:06:02.639 --> 00:06:04.720 of the big problems comm is people look for levels 119 00:06:04.720 --> 00:06:07.439 of perfection like the dot and the sites need to 120 00:06:07.480 --> 00:06:10.079 be absolutely motionless. Then they really don't. They just have 121 00:06:10.160 --> 00:06:13.600 to be good and a little bit of movement is okay, 122 00:06:14.560 --> 00:06:18.240 but enough that causes misalignment where you're no longer pointed 123 00:06:18.319 --> 00:06:20.399 to gun. That's where the problems start coming in. The 124 00:06:20.399 --> 00:06:22.800 way I want way to a describe it as somebody is, 125 00:06:22.800 --> 00:06:24.920 if you're run out the highway and you're going at 126 00:06:24.920 --> 00:06:26.800 a high rate of speed, you call that number whatever 127 00:06:26.839 --> 00:06:28.759 you want. I'm gon same line in Arizona, and it's 128 00:06:29.199 --> 00:06:32.639 we're on the high freeway between Phoenix and Tucson, and 129 00:06:32.639 --> 00:06:36.040 it's seventy five miles an hour, and you come around 130 00:06:36.079 --> 00:06:38.240 a car to do a pass, and there's a tire 131 00:06:38.800 --> 00:06:42.319 in the middle of the road. At this point, you're 132 00:06:42.319 --> 00:06:44.839 going to have to do something fast. It's your only 133 00:06:44.959 --> 00:06:48.240 way of avoiding hitting it or having the accident. So 134 00:06:48.319 --> 00:06:50.279 if I was to say, now, just carefully, you you know, 135 00:06:50.279 --> 00:06:52.439 apply the brakes and at the same time, just slowly 136 00:06:52.480 --> 00:06:56.399 start steering back to where you came from or around it. 137 00:06:57.040 --> 00:06:59.360 And in the meantime you hit the tire. It didn't 138 00:06:59.360 --> 00:07:01.519 really matter how while you're doing it and how smoothly 139 00:07:01.560 --> 00:07:04.720 you're doing it. Happened too slow. And that's how shooting 140 00:07:04.839 --> 00:07:07.480 is a lot of the time for the competition world. 141 00:07:07.759 --> 00:07:11.560 You can't be slow unless you shoot slow games. I'm 142 00:07:11.600 --> 00:07:12.959 talking about fast shooting games. 143 00:07:13.079 --> 00:07:15.199 Yeah, yeah, because if you're. 144 00:07:15.120 --> 00:07:18.720 Slow, you're gonna lose, right, I mean, if you're there's 145 00:07:18.759 --> 00:07:20.480 a certain pace you have to be at. And there 146 00:07:20.480 --> 00:07:22.199 are a couple of guys I'm working with right now 147 00:07:22.360 --> 00:07:25.600 who will probably hear this show and they'll know I'm 148 00:07:25.639 --> 00:07:30.560 talking about them. Both of them are extraordinarily good shots, 149 00:07:30.560 --> 00:07:34.600 and in their own realm are master class shooters. But 150 00:07:34.720 --> 00:07:38.000 when it comes to the last little degree where they 151 00:07:38.079 --> 00:07:41.519 need to be about twenty percent faster, there's no easy 152 00:07:41.560 --> 00:07:45.079 way to get there, especially by trying to be slow. 153 00:07:45.079 --> 00:07:47.759 We're trying to be slow or smooth. I mean, at 154 00:07:47.759 --> 00:07:51.920 that point, the only solution is violent and quick, and 155 00:07:53.519 --> 00:07:55.439 that's the next thing they have to learn because you 156 00:07:55.439 --> 00:07:59.360 can get. You can get really really well, become a 157 00:07:59.399 --> 00:08:02.560 really good shot up to a point. But to be 158 00:08:03.319 --> 00:08:04.240 good enough. 159 00:08:05.000 --> 00:08:09.800 Well I know, I know from I know from experience. 160 00:08:10.399 --> 00:08:13.120 If I really want to take off Rob Latham, all 161 00:08:13.120 --> 00:08:15.759 I have to do is say we don't slow and 162 00:08:15.879 --> 00:08:17.319 smooth and smooth as fast? 163 00:08:17.480 --> 00:08:20.160 God, there it is. I knew you were gonna hit 164 00:08:20.160 --> 00:08:22.959 me with that way. Man. 165 00:08:23.120 --> 00:08:23.519 That is. 166 00:08:23.680 --> 00:08:25.879 That is one of those old I don't even want 167 00:08:25.920 --> 00:08:30.959 to term for. It is completely misunderstood statements because what 168 00:08:31.120 --> 00:08:35.240 it says doesn't actually make any sense if you put 169 00:08:35.240 --> 00:08:38.360 into context of what somebody meant. At one point, they're 170 00:08:38.399 --> 00:08:43.320 probably describing something that they experienced and slower experienced as smooth. 171 00:08:44.039 --> 00:08:46.399 Like people will watch a good shooter shoot and they'll say, man, 172 00:08:46.440 --> 00:08:48.480 you're smooth, and I'm like, wow, boys, you didn't feel 173 00:08:48.480 --> 00:08:49.919 like it. I felt like I was hacking all over 174 00:08:49.919 --> 00:08:53.240 the place, and and somebody else will describe it another way, 175 00:08:53.279 --> 00:08:55.320 and then they'll put a value on that and say, oh, 176 00:08:55.320 --> 00:08:57.679 I got to slow down to be smooth. I'm like, 177 00:08:57.840 --> 00:09:01.440 well you can, but you're going to lose. And depending 178 00:09:01.440 --> 00:09:03.799 on what the game you're playing here, is the gunfighter 179 00:09:03.960 --> 00:09:07.759 or competition, you might lose a match. But there's something 180 00:09:07.799 --> 00:09:09.840 worse that could happen in a serious situation. 181 00:09:11.639 --> 00:09:14.000 Let me ask you, because part and parcel all of 182 00:09:14.000 --> 00:09:16.960 this I'm talking about the I think people focus way 183 00:09:17.000 --> 00:09:20.080 too much on aiming. We talk about that. Yes, one 184 00:09:20.080 --> 00:09:21.759 of the drills that I do, and I didn't make 185 00:09:21.799 --> 00:09:23.399 it up. A lot of people have done this. You 186 00:09:23.399 --> 00:09:24.919 take somebody and you get an a email on the 187 00:09:24.919 --> 00:09:28.000 target and you can tell they're flinching and they're jerking tuggar. 188 00:09:28.279 --> 00:09:31.080 So all right, just before you pull the trigger, close 189 00:09:31.120 --> 00:09:33.919 your eyes, close both eyes, and pull the trigger, and 190 00:09:33.960 --> 00:09:36.080 I swear it goes right in the center. 191 00:09:35.840 --> 00:09:38.919 Of the bulls lie every time, every time. What we're 192 00:09:38.960 --> 00:09:43.960 good at, what we've practiced, is holding the gun to 193 00:09:44.720 --> 00:09:46.919 let's call it. Let's call it alignment for lack of 194 00:09:46.960 --> 00:09:48.879 a better term. You put the gun in the middle 195 00:09:48.879 --> 00:09:51.399 of the target. Let's say you're five five yards away 196 00:09:51.399 --> 00:09:55.080 from an insecise target. You point it in the middle. 197 00:09:55.200 --> 00:09:57.639 Most of us can close our eyes and hold the 198 00:09:57.639 --> 00:10:01.200 gun for a minute and it would ever leave the target, 199 00:10:01.279 --> 00:10:04.600 if you know what I mean. So I don't need 200 00:10:05.000 --> 00:10:07.000 you to do it for a minute. I need you 201 00:10:07.039 --> 00:10:11.919 to close your eyes to get rid of that. That's 202 00:10:12.000 --> 00:10:12.399 what's the. 203 00:10:12.320 --> 00:10:14.720 Time when you can target fixation. 204 00:10:15.440 --> 00:10:18.279 There you go target fixation. So we expect the gun 205 00:10:18.320 --> 00:10:20.519 to fire, or we're waiting for the gun to fire 206 00:10:20.559 --> 00:10:24.559 when there's this this this instant of perfection occurs and 207 00:10:24.600 --> 00:10:28.360 it hardly ever does become perfect. It becomes good enough. 208 00:10:28.960 --> 00:10:30.639 But if we just close our eyes, then we're not 209 00:10:30.679 --> 00:10:34.559 even struggling with the aiming component of it. And then 210 00:10:34.600 --> 00:10:36.759 you immediately have to go from vision to feel, and 211 00:10:36.799 --> 00:10:39.320 you realize, all of a sudden, now people feel the gun. Now, 212 00:10:39.320 --> 00:10:40.720 all of a sudden, they feel the grip. Now, they 213 00:10:40.759 --> 00:10:43.440 feel the trigger pull, and nobody flinches when they close 214 00:10:43.480 --> 00:10:47.759 their eyes. And it was when I first did that 215 00:10:47.840 --> 00:10:50.440 with somebody. It's been quite a while, it's been many, many, 216 00:10:50.440 --> 00:10:53.600 many years. I said, and watched this person sheets slow 217 00:10:53.679 --> 00:10:56.039 fire and then I will and she's fine, and I said, 218 00:10:56.039 --> 00:10:58.360 now we need to go faster. And every single time 219 00:10:58.559 --> 00:11:01.960 this person pushed the gun down, and I watched how 220 00:11:02.000 --> 00:11:04.639 he was actually manipulating the trigger. To him, he was 221 00:11:04.759 --> 00:11:08.200 never even working on the trigger. It was his finger 222 00:11:08.320 --> 00:11:10.559 was off. It was not even touching, which is okay, 223 00:11:10.679 --> 00:11:13.200 but if you do it right, and he wasn't even touching, 224 00:11:13.240 --> 00:11:15.960 and then you just saw that that instant came and 225 00:11:16.000 --> 00:11:18.879 then he did everything. He pulled the trigger. He went 226 00:11:18.960 --> 00:11:21.080 from off the trigger to on the trigger, pulled the trigger, 227 00:11:21.480 --> 00:11:25.879 controlled recoil and everything, and missed. And I said, you 228 00:11:25.919 --> 00:11:29.000 could watch this flinch occur from the guy's shoulder all 229 00:11:29.039 --> 00:11:32.720 the way through his arm into his hands, right, And 230 00:11:32.759 --> 00:11:35.919 it's like, why don't just pull the trigger? And what 231 00:11:36.000 --> 00:11:37.679 he means is what I'm trying to make it happen 232 00:11:37.759 --> 00:11:39.919 right when the sites are perfect. So I said, close 233 00:11:39.919 --> 00:11:42.120 your eyes. You know, the sites are perfect the whole time. 234 00:11:42.840 --> 00:11:45.519 And it's just kind of where that came from. But 235 00:11:45.559 --> 00:11:48.279 it's funny you bring that one up, because that is 236 00:11:48.320 --> 00:11:52.639 the standard for teaching people trigger pulled, because trigger pull 237 00:11:52.840 --> 00:11:55.320 is not visual. You don't look at the trigger when 238 00:11:55.320 --> 00:11:57.240 you pull it right. 239 00:11:57.360 --> 00:12:00.759 You know. You know when you say don't worry about 240 00:12:00.799 --> 00:12:02.720 the sights because the sites are fine all the time, 241 00:12:03.000 --> 00:12:06.320 what you mean is that, look, nobody is wobbling the 242 00:12:06.399 --> 00:12:10.919 sights off the target. The wobble may be an inch 243 00:12:11.080 --> 00:12:13.960 or two left and right, so who cares? Just any 244 00:12:14.000 --> 00:12:17.320 of those is fine. Quit worrying about that and just 245 00:12:17.360 --> 00:12:20.879 get the trigger pulled without disturbing tay, what hold on right? 246 00:12:20.919 --> 00:12:22.320 I gotta take a quick break here. We're talking with 247 00:12:22.399 --> 00:12:26.279 Rob Latham, World Championshooter, obviously a great instructor, knows what 248 00:12:26.320 --> 00:12:28.600 he's talking about because he agrees with me most of 249 00:12:28.639 --> 00:12:31.519 the time. 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The Harrier is the modern sporting rifle 283 00:14:51.320 --> 00:14:55.120 reimagine for the serious shooter. MILLSPEC four's seventy seventy five 284 00:14:55.159 --> 00:14:58.639 receivers Night tried to bold carrier group with staked gas key, 285 00:14:59.120 --> 00:15:03.480 mlockhandguard with full length accessory rail, access threaded barrel, Ready 286 00:15:03.480 --> 00:15:06.080 for whatever you add to it. This isn't an iteration, 287 00:15:06.440 --> 00:15:10.919 It's an evolution decades of Ruger engineering discipline poured into 288 00:15:10.919 --> 00:15:13.679 the platform. You love the Ruger Harrier. 289 00:15:25.799 --> 00:15:26.000 As you. 290 00:15:26.120 --> 00:15:28.480 I imagine in my business being a media guy, you meet 291 00:15:28.480 --> 00:15:30.879 a lot of people and you know they of course old, 292 00:15:30.879 --> 00:15:34.519 there friendly, and you make kind of friends. And then 293 00:15:34.559 --> 00:15:37.399 there are those people. It's rare that you make really 294 00:15:37.440 --> 00:15:39.879 really good friends. Rob Latham is one of those. It's 295 00:15:39.919 --> 00:15:42.159 like we started off with business acquaintances and it just 296 00:15:42.200 --> 00:15:44.840 became good friends. It doesn't matter how long we've been 297 00:15:44.879 --> 00:15:46.840 apart or when we've seen each others. Like you get 298 00:15:46.840 --> 00:15:48.360 together and you start right in the middle of the 299 00:15:48.360 --> 00:15:50.879 conversation and Rob's with us right now. I got a 300 00:15:50.960 --> 00:15:54.799 question for you, partner. I think I'm trying to interpret 301 00:15:54.840 --> 00:15:56.600 what we're talking about here. One of the things that 302 00:15:56.639 --> 00:15:58.879 occurs to me trying to learn how to shoot faster 303 00:15:59.240 --> 00:16:05.080 or shoot fast maybe the word trust comes in trusting 304 00:16:05.759 --> 00:16:09.639 that the sites or the dot are okay and not 305 00:16:09.879 --> 00:16:13.639 worrying about it and not trying to force them onto 306 00:16:13.720 --> 00:16:16.440 the target and just pressing the trigger fast. 307 00:16:17.759 --> 00:16:19.840 I would agree with that one hundred percent. I don't 308 00:16:19.840 --> 00:16:22.720 think there's any way you can proceed with the trigger 309 00:16:22.720 --> 00:16:26.200 pull unless you do trust that the alignment you've created 310 00:16:26.320 --> 00:16:29.720 is sufficient. And one of the things that dry I'm 311 00:16:29.720 --> 00:16:31.720 going to get talking here, Tom, One of the things 312 00:16:31.720 --> 00:16:35.559 that drives me towards that is a fact that when 313 00:16:35.600 --> 00:16:40.399 people switch from iron sights to the optical site, they 314 00:16:40.480 --> 00:16:43.919 all of a sudden see a greater precision or greater 315 00:16:44.080 --> 00:16:48.440 degree of clarity of what they have when it comes 316 00:16:48.440 --> 00:16:53.080 to alignment. And I almost always see people who have 317 00:16:53.200 --> 00:16:55.639 moved from iron sights, especially if there are fighters of it. 318 00:16:55.679 --> 00:16:58.360 There are people who didn't really want the optics and 319 00:16:58.720 --> 00:17:01.039 found that one day came along They're like, well, hell, 320 00:17:01.120 --> 00:17:02.919 I can't see the sits well enough to do this, 321 00:17:03.480 --> 00:17:06.359 I kind of have to. So let's say they didn't 322 00:17:06.400 --> 00:17:08.200 really want to and they don't really like the looks 323 00:17:08.240 --> 00:17:11.000 of them on their gun, and so we're describing me 324 00:17:11.119 --> 00:17:15.200 by the way, and too, Okay, Yeah, this is me 325 00:17:15.640 --> 00:17:17.599 and I found the found the day where you know you, 326 00:17:18.119 --> 00:17:20.279 I've used them as competition all along, but I never 327 00:17:20.440 --> 00:17:22.599 wanted to ever have to use them as as a 328 00:17:22.599 --> 00:17:24.400 as an all the time. And then of course you 329 00:17:24.440 --> 00:17:26.119 get d the point where my vision is such that 330 00:17:26.200 --> 00:17:27.559 I need it. But now, all of a sudden, I 331 00:17:27.599 --> 00:17:32.240 see this level of precision that I probably never noticed before. 332 00:17:32.400 --> 00:17:35.400 One of the big struggles is a person who came 333 00:17:35.480 --> 00:17:39.519 from the focus on the sights of side of the tracks, 334 00:17:40.480 --> 00:17:43.720 all of a sudden is focusing on the target. That's 335 00:17:43.720 --> 00:17:46.599 an uncomfortable thing for them because they were always able 336 00:17:46.640 --> 00:17:50.559 to just ignore what was happening downrange to some and 337 00:17:50.599 --> 00:17:52.920 then and then now they can say, okay, well now 338 00:17:52.920 --> 00:17:55.599 I oh god, there's a target, so I see greater 339 00:17:55.720 --> 00:17:59.759 clarity of the thing I'm shooting. And I think looking 340 00:17:59.759 --> 00:18:01.640 at the was a way of not having to worry 341 00:18:01.680 --> 00:18:04.559 too much about that. I think the advantage of the 342 00:18:04.559 --> 00:18:07.599 optical fight is undeniable. The difficulty and uses it becomes 343 00:18:07.640 --> 00:18:10.559 a struggle from switching over and all of a sudden 344 00:18:10.599 --> 00:18:12.960 you see this, Oh my god, the gun, I'm not 345 00:18:13.079 --> 00:18:16.799 holding it steady. You would never see it with iron sights. 346 00:18:16.839 --> 00:18:19.759 And then with the optical sight. You're like, well, one, 347 00:18:19.799 --> 00:18:21.839 I can see on the target how much my sight 348 00:18:21.960 --> 00:18:24.319 is moving, and I can see it clearly and the 349 00:18:24.400 --> 00:18:26.720 dot and almost I can't pull the trigger because it's 350 00:18:26.720 --> 00:18:31.279 not perfect. And I see a lot of that time 351 00:18:31.319 --> 00:18:35.880 where people really struggle making that crossover and learning, Like 352 00:18:36.000 --> 00:18:38.359 I think my seakliner probably taught it the best of 353 00:18:38.400 --> 00:18:41.480 anybody I've ever seen. Is he sits there the first 354 00:18:41.519 --> 00:18:43.400 time I'd ever seen anybody do this, and he sits 355 00:18:43.400 --> 00:18:45.759 there and just move the gun all over the target 356 00:18:46.000 --> 00:18:47.720 and says, you tell me when to pull the trigger, 357 00:18:47.720 --> 00:18:49.319 and I'll shoot as soon as you tell me to. 358 00:18:49.400 --> 00:18:51.240 I won't wait for sight arm. So he's moving this 359 00:18:51.279 --> 00:18:55.720 thing all over the place, right, And then the class 360 00:18:55.720 --> 00:18:58.240 sits there and says now, and he shoots within his 361 00:18:58.440 --> 00:19:00.880 fast reaction time. So he shooting with fifteen hundred and 362 00:19:00.920 --> 00:19:03.319 second and wherever the gun's point is where he shoots. 363 00:19:04.039 --> 00:19:06.200 And you were sitting there watching the gun move around, 364 00:19:06.279 --> 00:19:07.839 and there's the gun move around. You go like, well, 365 00:19:08.680 --> 00:19:11.240 there's no way he can be hitting anything. And we 366 00:19:11.359 --> 00:19:13.839 did this and there was maybe ten or fifteen yards 367 00:19:14.039 --> 00:19:17.039 and you walk up to the target and go well, 368 00:19:18.559 --> 00:19:20.880 and the students start trying to trick him too. They 369 00:19:20.880 --> 00:19:23.240 start and there is no trick to it. They're saying like, 370 00:19:23.279 --> 00:19:24.839 I'm gonna wait till he's on his way out, and 371 00:19:24.839 --> 00:19:26.559 then it moves out and I'll say now, and he'd 372 00:19:26.559 --> 00:19:29.200 shoot whenever, wouldn't correct anything to go down there. And 373 00:19:29.200 --> 00:19:31.559 there's a group in the middle of the target, and 374 00:19:31.680 --> 00:19:33.720 eighty percent of them are in the center zone of 375 00:19:33.720 --> 00:19:35.279 the tog at the target, and the ones that are 376 00:19:35.279 --> 00:19:38.799 out are barely out, and everybody is flabbergas, and it's 377 00:19:38.839 --> 00:19:41.640 like the close your eyes thing. Everybody's flabbergas when you 378 00:19:41.720 --> 00:19:43.480 hit the targets and you're not looking at the sites. 379 00:19:44.359 --> 00:19:48.599 And that kind of shows people that you really don't 380 00:19:48.720 --> 00:19:53.279 need some sort of ludicrous amount of stability. It doesn't 381 00:19:53.400 --> 00:19:56.599 have to be emotionless motionless as the word I'm looking for. 382 00:19:57.039 --> 00:19:59.480 It needs to be steady enough. But it can't be motionless. 383 00:19:59.480 --> 00:20:02.680 I don't know needing, but a few masterclass bull By 384 00:20:02.720 --> 00:20:04.559 shooters can hold the gun motionless. 385 00:20:05.160 --> 00:20:07.640 Let me throw out a thought that we would probably 386 00:20:07.720 --> 00:20:10.759 all of us would hate to hear, and that is 387 00:20:10.799 --> 00:20:13.559 that it may just be we have to accept that 388 00:20:13.640 --> 00:20:18.000 good enough is actually good enough, and our enemy is 389 00:20:18.039 --> 00:20:19.240 striving for perfection. 390 00:20:20.079 --> 00:20:23.480 Right, that's correct. That is exactly how I would describe it. 391 00:20:23.640 --> 00:20:26.759 In our mind, we're thinking we need something we can't do. 392 00:20:27.559 --> 00:20:29.960 So then anytime we're like, well I can't do that, well, 393 00:20:30.000 --> 00:20:31.559 I mean, I love the challenge of trying to figure 394 00:20:31.559 --> 00:20:33.680 out how there is this thing I can't do. I'm like, well, no, 395 00:20:33.799 --> 00:20:37.519 I'm telling you you can't do this because it can't 396 00:20:37.519 --> 00:20:40.960 be done, right, it can't be done. When I talk 397 00:20:41.039 --> 00:20:44.359 to my best bold eye shooter buddies and when I 398 00:20:44.400 --> 00:20:47.200 watch them hold the gun, I'll sit there and say 399 00:20:47.920 --> 00:20:50.880 that gun is not moving. He said, yeah, is it 400 00:20:51.000 --> 00:20:54.480 move it all over the place. So it's just for them. 401 00:20:54.480 --> 00:20:55.680