Speaker 1: H M. Welcome back to the Telosive Tech Podcast, Ladies
Speaker 1: and gentlemen. Hi Nick.
Speaker 2: Nick was here. You just missed him, Randy, I was
Speaker 2: star linking.
Speaker 3: I apologize.
Speaker 4: I was frozen starlink.
Speaker 2: I don't remember that when we're there, It's.
Speaker 4: It's just a verb introverbal like Google lean. Yeah, all right,
Speaker 4: so we uh, I think we should just sit the
Speaker 4: ground running with this one. Obviously, question before I do,
Speaker 4: because Mike doesn't know what I'm there's hidden layers here
Speaker 4: is this episode going out tomorrow on Saturday.
Speaker 3: Yes, okay, all right.
Speaker 4: So then, so I kind of, I low key little
Speaker 4: bit but with intention, trolled Drew and on Twitter. But
Speaker 4: there was a reason for this, and I have a
Speaker 4: very strong and if I'm wrong, he'll probably troll me
Speaker 4: right now, tell me I'm wrong.
Speaker 3: Even though I'm right, I have a feeling him and I.
Speaker 4: Are about to say the exact same things. I'd be
Speaker 4: surprised you said some stuff that made me say some
Speaker 4: stuff and what well, anyway, so Drew believes as of
Speaker 4: this episode going out, he believes that people are going
Speaker 4: to unsub from his channel, and he understands and I
Speaker 4: think people are going to unsub from.
Speaker 3: My channel, to which I understand.
Speaker 4: So today is the last day, and I really the
Speaker 4: reason why I want to record this morning is because
Speaker 4: today's the last day we can physically possibly talk about
Speaker 4: the iPhone sixteen Pro.
Speaker 2: This man has no I could be a fourteen Pro.
Speaker 1: I'd have no idea, that's true.
Speaker 2: But it does look a lot like my phone I'm
Speaker 2: staring at right now.
Speaker 3: It does look like it.
Speaker 4: So starting with Drew, I just need to ask right
Speaker 4: from the offset. I know, as recording it hasn't gone
Speaker 4: out yet, but what are your final sixteen Pro? What's
Speaker 4: your takeaway?
Speaker 1: Let me switch to it here?
Speaker 4: Can you how I can't do any of this.
Speaker 1: I just checked. I saw if the option was there,
Speaker 1: and it was there. I don't know what changed. I
Speaker 1: didn't restart all right computer.
Speaker 2: For background information, we've had a lack of a time
Speaker 2: with the people who are on the newer iOS versions
Speaker 2: trying to connect their phones to the stream yard. Okay, meanwhile,
Speaker 2: I have an upgrade and it's perfectly working great without it.
Speaker 1: Mike is so proud iOS seventeen.
Speaker 2: I'm staying at iOS seventeen and mac os whatever it is.
Speaker 1: The iPhone sixteen series is disappointing through and through in
Speaker 1: every way, shape and form. Oh wow, no one should buy.
Speaker 4: It, Drew verbatim in my video that's gonna go out
Speaker 4: today when I finish editing it. I cannot recommend this
Speaker 4: phone to anybody.
Speaker 2: It's like, I need to buy this phone.
Speaker 1: This I likes, like I've order it.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, you guys were saying the exact
Speaker 2: same thing about the fourteen Pro and I got it,
Speaker 2: and I've had nothing but experiences the thing.
Speaker 4: You're like, there's something No, there's something so wrong about
Speaker 4: this is different, this is bad, this is terrible. My gosh,
Speaker 4: this is this is the worst phone I have ever used.
Speaker 2: Are you taking your words back about Drew joining the
Speaker 2: Pixel Club?
Speaker 1: You used an Android At one point I.
Speaker 4: Touched your Android for a couple of minutes, and I
Speaker 4: would take that experience over what I had to endear
Speaker 4: with the sixteen Pro, who pretty bad. I cannot in
Speaker 4: good conscience, I cannot condone, support, encourage, or recommend anybody
Speaker 4: getting an iPhone sixteen right now.
Speaker 3: It is it is so bad.
Speaker 4: No, we'll start with you have Drew do his thing,
Speaker 4: because I'm I'm very I'm very passionate.
Speaker 2: But and he's like, here's the acts. I'm about to
Speaker 2: slam it down on the iPhone, but first let's cut
Speaker 2: away for an advertisement with tays that Drew.
Speaker 4: It's called engagement. Mike. You gotta you gotta keep them
Speaker 4: sticking around for the whole show. I just laying it
Speaker 4: all out right now to leave. It's really bad and I'm.
Speaker 2: Very passionate about this, but in hearing what you have
Speaker 2: to say.
Speaker 3: But okay, and I will.
Speaker 4: I will give it. And so you guys will.
Speaker 2: Hear from me.
Speaker 4: You are YouTube, you will hear it from me, and
Speaker 4: it will be new to you. But to anyone who
Speaker 4: when this video goes out this or the podcast my
Speaker 4: video hopefully is out later on today. But I'll talk, No,
Speaker 4: go ahead, you go ahead, Drew. What what has been
Speaker 4: the two weeks look like for you?
Speaker 1: Name anything? You guys, just say anything about it?
Speaker 3: Are you keeping the phone?
Speaker 4: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, say anything anything?
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Well that's what I guess everybody knows by now by
Speaker 1: the time they're hearing this. Yes, I am keeping it. Oh,
Speaker 1: but it's terrible and no one should buy it.
Speaker 4: Oh, where's your fifteen pro?
Speaker 1: Not in here? Not in this room?
Speaker 3: Is it in the house, Is it with us?
Speaker 2: Is it in the pocket?
Speaker 1: My wife is using it.
Speaker 4: All?
Speaker 1: Mm hmm. I I didn't think this through. Randy. You're right, though,
Speaker 1: it's interesting to catch your guys' reaction to all the
Speaker 1: change ups. It's all happening now in real time. All
Speaker 1: has been revealed. But you're you're gonna unsub though. You're
Speaker 1: not gonna like what I'm about to say.
Speaker 4: Let's do it go.
Speaker 1: I did a sponsored video.
Speaker 4: What's what's what is? I gotta hear it?
Speaker 1: Basically, I bent the rules. I went against my thought.
Speaker 1: We lost my he's unsubbed from the show.
Speaker 3: I don't tell me, tell me I needed there.
Speaker 1: No, I'll leave them there.
Speaker 4: You did sponsored video.
Speaker 1: So, as you know, Louise was in the market. You
Speaker 1: audio listeners are missing out, Like, as you know, Louise
Speaker 1: was in a need for an upgrade. She was still
Speaker 1: rocking the iPhone ten. It was showing signs of age.
Speaker 1: It wasn't doing too well. It was struggling to open
Speaker 1: things and getting very slow and everything. But it's the
Speaker 1: company that uh sent me those mags Safe battery modules.
Speaker 1: Was like, we really want you to showcase the case
Speaker 1: for the our new cases for the iPhone sixteen series,
Speaker 1: and I said, I'm not planning on upgrading to the
Speaker 1: iPhone sixteen series. Like I know everything about the iPhone
Speaker 1: sixteen already. I'm probably not gonna keep it because I
Speaker 1: have a fifteen Pro and it's fine, so I'll I'll
Speaker 1: demonstrate a case for a fifteen Pro. But I'm not
Speaker 1: interested in you sending cases for a phone I don't own.
Speaker 1: I've already got too many phone cases. So they said,
Speaker 1: what if we paid for the phone. We're like, we'll
Speaker 1: send we'll cover the sixteen promacs if you show it
Speaker 1: with our case. And I was weak.
Speaker 4: Oh you did? That's literally selling out?
Speaker 1: He did it.
Speaker 4: Don't you ever come for me about sponsorships ever? Again,
Speaker 4: I don't want to hear.
Speaker 1: I've never come for anyone for sponsorships. I just chosen
Speaker 1: not to do them up until recently.
Speaker 4: Yeah, everyone doesn't do it until they do. You're not
Speaker 4: a virgin anymore. Wow, he lost his sponsorship Virginity.
Speaker 1: You just unsubscribed. I understand everyone. I know, I'm terrible, but.
Speaker 4: You are dropping your sixteen Pro review today, aren't you.
Speaker 1: Yeah? And everything I'm telling you now is in the video.
Speaker 1: It's all explained and my rationale, my thinking behind it.
Speaker 1: Part of it was because especially after the last video
Speaker 1: where I didn't do a sponsored piece for the mag
Speaker 1: Safe battery packs because I just wanted those and they
Speaker 1: sent them to me. But I was like, no, I
Speaker 1: don't want payment. I just want to talk about them
Speaker 1: and why they boost the battery. And then a bunch
Speaker 1: of comments thought it was sponsored anyway. Yeah, there were
Speaker 1: a bunch of people that were like, this is a
Speaker 1: sponsored video, and I was like, well, they're not paying me.
Speaker 1: It's not exactly the same as like someone who's being
Speaker 1: fed a script. I'm like, they they gave me complete control.
Speaker 1: They didn't give me a script. I still haven't signed
Speaker 1: a contract. They just they covered the price of the phone.
Speaker 1: Nothing more than that.
Speaker 4: Someone's a piece of innocence die today because a long
Speaker 4: time ago that the flood gates are open, and and
Speaker 4: now that.
Speaker 1: You know this blood gate, I'm not gonna do.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, no no.
Speaker 4: It's like taking drugs the first hit, It's like, now
Speaker 4: there's more.
Speaker 1: Do you know what it's like to do drugs? Man?
Speaker 4: I've I had surgery. Leading up to surgery, it felt
Speaker 4: really good to be on morphine.
Speaker 2: The way I thought it was going to go. Yeah,
Speaker 2: just like this conversation.
Speaker 4: Wow, you did a sponsorship, that is, and you did
Speaker 4: it for You did it for monetary gain.
Speaker 3: And by this sense, I mean a phone that you
Speaker 3: don't like.
Speaker 4: That's the worst part her phone you don't like. That's
Speaker 4: the part that I'm I get sponsor.
Speaker 1: They were no one was going to sponsor me to
Speaker 1: buy an iPhone twelve for three hundreds, which was our back.
Speaker 4: But what you were going to do for oh, for
Speaker 4: for Louis a twelve?
Speaker 1: Yeah, she she didn't want to spend more than three
Speaker 1: hundred bucks on her replacement phone. So I was like,
Speaker 1: that means another lightning iPhone, that means more sharing. I
Speaker 1: separate chargers, separate cables for everywhere, and I was like,
Speaker 1: I really want her to have Type.
Speaker 2: C Did you do it?
Speaker 1: Yes?
Speaker 2: What did it cost? Sponsorship?
Speaker 4: Well?
Speaker 1: Everything?
Speaker 4: Now that you are a dirty, contaminated man, you are
Speaker 4: no longer pure. I checked the car facts. You are.
Speaker 1: I'm a salvage title.
Speaker 3: You're a salvage title.
Speaker 4: But your damaged goods, your everything.
Speaker 3: We can keep going.
Speaker 4: It's just not gonna sand.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say this. I got a leaked screenshot
Speaker 2: of the cases that you're reviewing. And I don't really
Speaker 2: understand why you're You're.
Speaker 4: Talking about Instagram, aren't you? Yeah you are his Instagram posts?
Speaker 4: Yeah you are.
Speaker 2: No, I'm not understanding. But why what I get like
Speaker 2: you're jumping in just like drugs? But did you really
Speaker 2: have to go that hard that there's now a big
Speaker 2: lighter built into your iPhone sixteen case a Snoop dog
Speaker 2: and Martha Stewart.
Speaker 1: I was Snoop DOGG getting in everything don't get and what.
Speaker 4: Up home slash Man.
Speaker 1: I don't like Camra control.
Speaker 4: Well, all that being said, I will look at you
Speaker 4: differently now, but to be fair.
Speaker 1: I understand it's it's already looking very differently right now. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's him, Mike.
Speaker 4: I hate your laugh.
Speaker 3: I hope you never find peace.
Speaker 1: There will be never any piece you're supposed to say.
Speaker 1: I thought we weren't fact checking.
Speaker 3: I thought, Oh, Mike, I gotta tell you something. I
Speaker 3: gotta do it.
Speaker 4: Did you tell him?
Speaker 1: I haven't heard anything.
Speaker 4: Okay, Mike, you can't convince me that you don't that
Speaker 4: you're not jd Vance.
Speaker 2: I'm not what you talking about.
Speaker 4: Oh, because we have the same I.
Speaker 5: Said, I sent Drew a text. They're into the debate,
Speaker 5: and I just said, you can't convince me that's not Mike.
Speaker 5: I've never seen you two in the same room together,
Speaker 5: so it is. I just texted the group chat. I've
Speaker 5: seen you do this exact stare. I've seen you do
Speaker 5: this exact look.
Speaker 4: That's Mike, that's you.
Speaker 3: You can't tell me that's not you. So I've seen
Speaker 3: you do that.
Speaker 1: It's so you're saying collectively, you have you do Trump
Speaker 1: and he does perfect.
Speaker 4: That's why he's always running together. We're running together because
Speaker 4: he can't make it.
Speaker 2: If he supports me.
Speaker 4: You could be I don't. I don't know you're You're
Speaker 4: just I look at you differently. That's my If you're
Speaker 4: watching on YouTube, stop what you're doing.
Speaker 3: If you have us in the background, look at this
Speaker 3: right now.
Speaker 4: JD. Vance and Mike are the same person. I've seen
Speaker 4: Mike do this exact look, this is why.
Speaker 6: Oh wait here go the other way?
Speaker 4: And JD. Vans are the same person. That is That
Speaker 4: is gross.
Speaker 2: I haven't gone gray yet, thankfully.
Speaker 4: No, that's guy. So you can look like you're more
Speaker 4: seasoned than you're ready to be.
Speaker 1: Honestly, Mike is what JD wishes. He looked like, that's true,
Speaker 1: he doesn't wish that, but thanks for thinking that he
Speaker 1: thinks that.
Speaker 2: I mean, I don't know what he's thinking, but.
Speaker 4: Yeah, right, yeah right, well okay, anyway, so.
Speaker 1: Now that we got that out of the way, No,
Speaker 1: we got that out of the way, going back to
Speaker 1: attacking me. That's fine, thank you.
Speaker 4: It's just that you did it for a phone. You
Speaker 4: don't like tell him to like just do the fifteen
Speaker 4: pro maat They wouldn't know the difference. Nobody knows the difference.
Speaker 4: They wouldn't know. All right, I'll talk about my part now.
Speaker 4: The iPhone sixteen is the most incomplete phone that Apple's
Speaker 4: ever put out there, and it's not even close unless
Speaker 4: you're willing to do a beta, which I don't even
Speaker 4: recommend people do. You don't even get any of the
Speaker 4: headlining features. I thought last year, like, how could it
Speaker 4: get weirder than the headlining feature is titanium, but at
Speaker 4: least titanium game day one, whereas like the headline feature
Speaker 4: is Apple tell and now and now the headline is
Speaker 4: Everything's Apple. Every time I go to the store and
Speaker 4: I see the ring, I'm like this isn't this, This
Speaker 4: isn't a feature yet, this isn't even the animation yet.
Speaker 4: And at best case scenario in America, we'll get it
Speaker 4: this month, but everywhere else next year, and even then,
Speaker 4: whatever we get this month is it's not the full thing.
Speaker 1: No, it is.
Speaker 4: Just pardon my but it just pisses me off because
Speaker 4: now by the time we theoretically get everything next year,
Speaker 4: how long into the cycle have we already been into
Speaker 4: iPhone sixteen by that point half a year? And some
Speaker 4: people who upgrade it just to get these features, only
Speaker 4: to then be pressured and prompt especially for the techies
Speaker 4: who can do the upgrade again for the seventeen. This
Speaker 4: is worse than what I saw with iPhone fourteen.
Speaker 3: This is not even close.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because at least I because iPhone fourteen gave you
Speaker 4: everything at launched. Still it was just an upgrade cycle
Speaker 4: that didn't need to happen. But at least I Phone
Speaker 4: fourteen you got everything day one. This one you're gonna
Speaker 4: be waiting at least six months in America and then
Speaker 4: everything that's rolling out around the world. We got listeners
Speaker 4: in Europe everywhere else like just those guys, they're sol
Speaker 4: They're still waiting for digital wallets and stuff to be
Speaker 4: a thing for their IDs.
Speaker 3: I mean, they are always behind.
Speaker 4: So this is nothing new to them.
Speaker 3: But for us, like this is worse than the whole.
Speaker 4: Like I feel software locked now. It's just like everybody's
Speaker 4: software locked. It doesn't matter, It genuinely doesn't matter. So
Speaker 4: I'm a guy who votes with my dollar, and by
Speaker 4: principle alone, I can't keep this phone and I'm not
Speaker 4: going to. I can't recommend it to anybody because it's
Speaker 4: not what is It's false advertisement. It's not what the
Speaker 4: advertisement is right now, not in the legal sense that
Speaker 4: it's false advertisement therefore Apple should get sued. But it
Speaker 4: is misleading directly, it's manipulative and all the wrong ways,
Speaker 4: and again, just quite frankly, it pisses me off. This
Speaker 4: is the worst I've seen Apple when it comes to
Speaker 4: a product launch. I could stomach iPhone fourteen if somebody
Speaker 4: was coming from a really old model and they're like, well,
Speaker 4: I don't really care for many anyway, I totally get why.
Speaker 4: It just for me as like there was nothing new
Speaker 4: introduced in I fel fourteen, but at least you got
Speaker 4: everything that you needed the day that you would pick
Speaker 4: up your phone. You're not getting anything brand new with
Speaker 4: this phone. What a camera control button? That thing freaking sucks.
Speaker 4: It's the worst rushed, half big piece of crap I've
Speaker 4: ever touched. You can't even click to half click down
Speaker 4: to have it auto focus on you, then click it
Speaker 4: again to take a photo. You can't just click it
Speaker 4: to record. The only reason why I would have used
Speaker 4: the button was so I can click to record when
Speaker 4: I'm using the main camera sense sensor. But it's not
Speaker 4: even doing that, and so that's something that might come
Speaker 4: later too. Why is that a software update for camera control?
Speaker 4: It's it was rushed, It's crap. It's a piece of
Speaker 4: it's terrible. It's just the whole thing's terrible. The AI
Speaker 4: is trash, The camera controls trash. The phone for me
Speaker 4: personally extremely uncomfortably hot, more than a way than I've
Speaker 4: ever experienced on the iPhone fifteen Pro when I was
Speaker 4: testing it. It is too hot for me. The bezzels
Speaker 4: are too thin for me. I hate the bezels.
Speaker 1: It's just I can't like the thin borders.
Speaker 3: No, I do not.
Speaker 4: I have so many excidental input with the meatia. Part
Speaker 4: of my thumb that it actually prevents me from scrolling.
Speaker 1: Or it too until I got a case.
Speaker 4: Until you got Yeah, maybe the case fixes it, but
Speaker 4: I don't want to be forced.
Speaker 3: To get a case.
Speaker 4: You sell out, but no, So the camera gets extremely
Speaker 4: hot or the whole phone gets extremely hot. The bezels
Speaker 4: are so thin that when I'm at because it's so
Speaker 4: thin in the way I hold the phone, I'm activating
Speaker 4: camera control in the camera app when I'm not trying to,
Speaker 4: and it screws up the whole shot. Anyway, the the
Speaker 4: ultra wide forty eight megapixel letdown no difference. I can
Speaker 4: see difference when I when I zoom in and I
Speaker 4: pixel peep. Not a big deal let down.
Speaker 1: I much rather when you just take a photo is
Speaker 1: still twelve megapixels. I'm still twelve Yeah, I'm like the
Speaker 1: main sensor Wi's up to twenty four.
Speaker 4: When there's nothing that's offered to you. Even when I've
Speaker 4: I've took photos in video and everything in ultra wide,
Speaker 4: so I can then see in raw. I took a
Speaker 4: raw photo just to see and even when I punch
Speaker 4: in nothing because it's still like you just said, it's
Speaker 4: a twelve megapixel. It's scaled down and it does nothing.
Speaker 4: It's still noisy, it's still fuzzy, as fuzzy as my
Speaker 4: studio display camera's going right now, which is an ultra wide.
Speaker 4: It looks just like this material this or this like quality.
Speaker 4: So huge letdown, and I just I was expecting more
Speaker 4: things that I did like. I absolutely love the five
Speaker 4: five X telephoto. That's I'm having so much fun with
Speaker 4: that one. I've taken a lot of photos with it.
Speaker 4: I will miss that. And I love the photographic styles,
Speaker 4: the new update of the photographic styles.
Speaker 3: I have so much fun with that.
Speaker 4: And that's I think those are diferent too.
Speaker 3: I'm trying.
Speaker 4: I'm I'm going from the top of my head here
Speaker 4: about the things that I liked and don't like, but
Speaker 4: I think I hit the keynotes. Oh no, here we go. Okay,
Speaker 4: So the things I liked was the five X. I
Speaker 4: liked the different image formats, the jakepeg XL, which is
Speaker 4: the Happle middle ground between doing a raw photo without
Speaker 4: having the taking up too much memory in your storage.
Speaker 4: I do like that. But I like the cool features
Speaker 4: that come with a heat file, like live photos and
Speaker 4: being able to just kind of manipulate the image more
Speaker 4: within on the device. I like using that more and
Speaker 4: I like saving as much space as possible. But for
Speaker 4: what it is, I did like playing with the other
Speaker 4: image formats, and that was more. That's more like I said,
Speaker 4: the four K one twenty cool, but it's so niche.
Speaker 4: I'm indifferent about it. I wouldn't use it all the time,
Speaker 4: but it was cool to have. But whatever like that
Speaker 4: to me didn't really mean much.
Speaker 1: Us yet I was moving to that.
Speaker 4: Oh okay, the biggest the thing with the negative stuff
Speaker 4: with the audio mics. Uh.
Speaker 3: I tried, and.
Speaker 4: I say in my in the video, so I'll tell
Speaker 4: you guys here I I equed the hell out of
Speaker 4: those things too, to make it sound as best as possible.
Speaker 4: And if anybody can fix audio, it's the producer who
Speaker 4: writes music for a living and knows how to make
Speaker 4: things stand out in a mix. I know audio frequencies.
Speaker 4: I could not save that thing for the life of me.
Speaker 1: And I try it.
Speaker 4: It sounded better not touching the thing, and I'm like,
Speaker 4: all right, well, let me do a side by side,
Speaker 4: But then it sounds exactly the same as one without
Speaker 4: the new studio mics. So I'm like, just stick if
Speaker 4: you're if you're a content creator. Ladies and gentlemen, just
Speaker 4: stick with a dedicated mic because it is so so.
Speaker 4: I don't know if it's a software thing. I hope
Speaker 4: it's a software thing that gets fixed because I want
Speaker 4: to like it. I love the idea of it, but
Speaker 4: it's so bad.
Speaker 3: The the audio mix.
Speaker 4: Made me like I don't need That was my first
Speaker 4: when using the audio mix. I was like, I don't
Speaker 4: need this phone. It serves me no purpose. It was
Speaker 4: everything else without content creation that made me start to
Speaker 4: hate the phone. With all this the accidental inputs. Maybe
Speaker 4: if I put a case on it, fine, but then
Speaker 4: you know cases aren't free unless you're a sellout, So
Speaker 4: for me it didn't really matter.
Speaker 3: So I have to drop money. I have to roast
Speaker 3: you the whole episode.
Speaker 1: I have to I understand, like I tweeted, I understand, I.
Speaker 3: Have to do it.
Speaker 4: I'm speaking for the people, but for all us normies.
Speaker 4: You have to pay, so I have to spend more
Speaker 4: money to keep me from having accidental inputs. And just
Speaker 4: the placement of the Chemera control completely trash all things
Speaker 4: that out the iPhone sixteen. There's more. I had six
Speaker 4: good things to say about it. Six bad things to
Speaker 4: say about it, but the bad are so heavy that
Speaker 4: I can't recommend it to anybody. Nobody should get that phone. Well,
Speaker 4: I'm coming from an iPhone twelve. Get a fifteen, but
Speaker 4: I like promotion. Give him fine fitteen pro for cheaper.
Speaker 1: We better post our videos at the same time so
Speaker 1: that everybody understands I haven't seen your video and you
Speaker 1: haven't seen mine, because we have very very uh in
Speaker 1: sync opinions on all this.
Speaker 4: Which is yeah, minus me doing some cop outs, you know,
Speaker 4: ad read, I will tell you that you should still
Speaker 4: not get.
Speaker 3: This phone and mean it, and I for not for
Speaker 3: the time being.
Speaker 4: Like I want to tell you what I want is
Speaker 4: an base iPhone sixteen again for anything else, just for
Speaker 4: the thinner bezels. I would want that.
Speaker 7: However, well sucks too and like it's all bad, so
Speaker 7: I have to stay with iPhone fifteen, which I'm fine with,
Speaker 7: but I'm so disappointed, Like, oh my god, what I
Speaker 7: would I would rather go through.
Speaker 4: The growing pains of an iPhone fourteen as they're trying
Speaker 4: to calibrate these chip you know, skipping a generation. I
Speaker 4: would rather go through that every year than whatever the hell,
Speaker 4: we just got with iPhones.
Speaker 1: This is Mike realizing that after that huge debate we
Speaker 1: had a few months ago. Randy's just keeping the fifteen.
Speaker 4: Oh I am Mike anything, you should be happy. Look
Speaker 4: at that.
Speaker 3: That's Mike's that's Mike st.
Speaker 2: It's working on something better. But yeah, that's not bad.
Speaker 1: I guess I have to just keep using the fifteen.
Speaker 3: I guess or I would buy.
Speaker 4: I would be open minded to finding a fifteen pro maybe,
Speaker 4: but at that point, like the money's already paid for,
Speaker 4: already bought the thing. I have nothing wrong with the
Speaker 4: phone necessarily. I just didn't want the software locking. But
Speaker 4: we're all software locked?
Speaker 1: What about the burning.
Speaker 3: I I pretend I don't see it.
Speaker 2: I made this while you're talking about it as well, Randy, Well,
Speaker 2: that's it, that's my rant. Yeah jeez. Well, I'm glad
Speaker 2: I didn't upgrade. From all the comments I've heard on
Speaker 2: hardware and software from you guys, it doesn't sound like
Speaker 2: a fun you're being on Apple's ecosystem for this new version.
Speaker 1: I have my own theories, but I'd like to ask
Speaker 1: you both, why do you think Apple is so comfortable
Speaker 1: releasing a phone where it's headlining feature. You know, is
Speaker 1: this a marketing problem or is this a company problem
Speaker 1: that we're getting more and more okay with releasing things
Speaker 1: that are unfinished. Is that just like industry wide thing?
Speaker 1: Or what do you think is causing this? Wire companies
Speaker 1: suddenly okay with releasing hardware without half the features they promised.
Speaker 4: Working pressure, peer pressure, that's it.
Speaker 1: Could be pure pressure from their peers. No, they're fellow companies,
Speaker 1: like you mean, like other they see the AI going
Speaker 1: on at Google or at Chat GP with Chat GBT,
Speaker 1: and they're like, we need to we need to catch up,
Speaker 1: So let's release the phone even though we haven't figured
Speaker 1: out a bunch of the features yet.
Speaker 4: Like, okay, I'll explain a little bit further. Everyone has
Speaker 4: realized that it's the software that makes the experience more
Speaker 4: than anything else, Not titanium, not a five x zoom
Speaker 4: out of forty eight megapixel ultra wide. It's the software.
Speaker 4: And if everyone else's software even gives the perception of
Speaker 4: innovation over Apple, what's left for Apple? You know what
Speaker 4: I mean? Like, at that point, you have you have
Speaker 4: everything that looks like it's an Android fund with the customization,
Speaker 4: without any of the new Android baked in AI buzz,
Speaker 4: but even I think that's flawed. And those guys are
Speaker 4: under weird pressure because of Chat cheeps. Everyone's trying to
Speaker 4: be on top because they can't they can't stand not
Speaker 4: being perceived as innovating because they're a public company. They
Speaker 4: gotta please shareholders annually they have to justify their salaries.
Speaker 4: So Apple already gets criticism from a loud minority that
Speaker 4: has to do with sixty hurts, Why why you know
Speaker 4: stuff like that all these other little things that is
Speaker 4: hardware based. But they always were like, yeah, but our
Speaker 4: software top notch until an eight, and there's nothing wrong
Speaker 4: with the software now. But if you don't look like
Speaker 4: you're still innovating on that front, never mind spatial computing
Speaker 4: or you know, log formats or whatever the case may be,
Speaker 4: just from the experience of it, and it's all.
Speaker 3: Through the UI.
Speaker 4: If it doesn't look like it's innovating, even just for
Speaker 4: the sake of innovation, then you look like you're behind.
Speaker 4: And Apple is getting more and more competition with software
Speaker 4: because of companies like Chat, GPT, and I'm like, everybody's
Speaker 4: got some baked in software or AI thing happening, and
Speaker 4: the infrastructure is changing because now everything wants to be
Speaker 4: a cloud based or an AI based thing, at least
Speaker 4: right now. And it's been like this for two years now,
Speaker 4: because if you think about this, Drew Marquez's video about
Speaker 4: Dolly was two years ago. A lot has changed since then.
Speaker 4: So much has changed, and then the tech in the
Speaker 4: tech sector two years is almost obsolete. After a certain point,
Speaker 4: you have to keep moving. So AI has been in
Speaker 4: the discussion for over twenty four months, and what has
Speaker 4: Apple done to show for it. Nothing, but they did,
Speaker 4: but they didn't call it AI machine learning, this computational
Speaker 4: photography that, but blah blah blah blah blah blah.
Speaker 3: And if you just would have said, now we could
Speaker 3: you know the app.
Speaker 8: Apple's overall goal, at least how I see it is
Speaker 8: they tried to make as much native, first party stock
Speaker 8: apps as useful as possible where you don't have to
Speaker 8: go download third party apps like the touch up thing
Speaker 8: where you can circle something and it goes.
Speaker 4: Away or whatever the case is. Now that that can
Speaker 4: get rid of more apps that have those features because
Speaker 4: now you can just do it in the photos app,
Speaker 4: stuff like that.
Speaker 3: If Apple could just do it at.
Speaker 4: First part or even system level, then it makes them
Speaker 4: competitive because they still have the in house ecosystem. The
Speaker 4: vertical streamline is still happening, so anything they can do
Speaker 4: to stay tightly niched in the vertical side of things
Speaker 4: is a win for Apple. But when Google comes around
Speaker 4: and they start showing how everything is pulling stuff in
Speaker 4: and never mind, you know, we know security has never
Speaker 4: been like, hey.
Speaker 3: It's the most private whatever.
Speaker 2: They don't care.
Speaker 4: It's like, let me give you the tools and then
Speaker 4: you do with it. When Google starts doing it, or
Speaker 4: you got Microsoft with earned Surface and the copilot, you
Speaker 4: know surface this, who cares if it's bad or not.
Speaker 4: It shows that they're doing something drastically new. And Apple's
Speaker 4: just sitting there because they only got one product to
Speaker 4: launch once a year. They only got one iPhone, they
Speaker 4: only got one MacBook Pro to launch once a year.
Speaker 4: They don't get the luxury of doing multiple launches a
Speaker 4: year of the same product line. You only get to
Speaker 4: do it once, so they have to wait a whole
Speaker 4: cycle at least twelve months before they can revisit that again.
Speaker 4: And then what happens. This happens, it's rushed, it's put together.
Speaker 4: I bet they started talking about this maybe a little
Speaker 4: over twelve months ago. I don't think AI was ever
Speaker 4: in the discussion, clearly because it's still not out. I'll
Speaker 4: give them the camera control. I'll say that they were
Speaker 4: talking about that. I mean, the rumors even said that
Speaker 4: was coming, right, So I give it to them on
Speaker 4: that that maybe like, hey, we want to make the
Speaker 4: camera even better. So I believe that that was an
Speaker 4: Apple you know, two year plan. Let's make the camera
Speaker 4: even better, let's make the functionality even better.
Speaker 3: But within the.
Speaker 4: Two years, what happens. AI starts really blowing up. You
Speaker 4: see the evaluation of in video just shoot up so crazily.
Speaker 4: You know, it's crazy because Nancy Pelosi's buying stock. That's
Speaker 4: how you know, before it happened, they saw the writing
Speaker 4: on the wall. So that's what I mean by peer pressure.
Speaker 4: It's that you have a trajectory that's maybe twelve to
Speaker 4: twenty four months out.
Speaker 3: But some things they have to stop, and like we
Speaker 3: need a.
Speaker 4: Correct course to at least give the illusion that we're trying.
Speaker 4: Because let's call it, let's call it what it is.
Speaker 4: Apple Vision pro ain't doing all that hot, And I
Speaker 4: think they knew that from the get go. But they
Speaker 4: thought they had two years to get that established. But
Speaker 4: no one's talking about Apple Vision Pro. Everyone's talking about AI,
Speaker 4: and that made Apple go holy crap.
Speaker 3: So WWDC last year they were like.
Speaker 4: Oh, it's a special computing in the future.
Speaker 1: Da da.
Speaker 4: All that happened in the back of the in the
Speaker 4: behind the scenes, like holy crap. People are talking more
Speaker 4: about this other stuff with CHATCHIBT this and you know,
Speaker 4: GPT four blah blah blah blah, Bay and all these
Speaker 4: other things and all these other competitors. Sure it's easy
Speaker 4: to kill rabbit r one or AI pen. Those things
Speaker 4: are just whatever. That's not your threat. It's what Google
Speaker 4: and all your other competitors that make phone, Samsung and
Speaker 4: how they're implementing the same universal understanding of AI and
Speaker 4: Apple's just like spatial computing.
Speaker 1: Didn't work.
Speaker 4: So that's what I mean by peer pressure.
Speaker 1: Hmm okay, how about you, Mike, do you disagree? Do
Speaker 1: you have theories more?
Speaker 2: There's somehow made them more angelic with Apple Intelligence and
Speaker 2: the Sonoma background and all that for those listening and
Speaker 2: not understanding what's being showed on the screen. But it
Speaker 2: does show that Apple seems to be lacking, at least
Speaker 2: with what your guy's opinion is on the most recent
Speaker 2: devices and software and all that. It's lackluster, it's not impressive.
Speaker 2: It leaves a whole lot more on the table that
Speaker 2: could be used or utilized for something else. And so yeah,
Speaker 2: yearning for something that's a lot more useful or a
Speaker 2: lot more cohesive, or at least in the way that
Speaker 2: Apple puts it is easy to use but also robust
Speaker 2: to use. There it doesn't feel glitchy, doesn't feel a tentative.
Speaker 2: It doesn't feel like a whole bunch of what's it
Speaker 2: called particle boards nailed together opening that stays together as
Speaker 2: a house. It seems like that's what this year is
Speaker 2: somewhat showing behind the dry wall, is that there wasn't
Speaker 2: a lot of planning on the wires or on the
Speaker 2: insulation or segmenting the rooms for what they've got that
Speaker 2: they're building their ecosystem house as. And it does draw
Speaker 2: some concern for me, which is why months ago, when
Speaker 2: you were saying I want pixel or I think I
Speaker 2: want pixel, I was thinking sure, because that's where I
Speaker 2: think logically and naturally, what people do they jump from
Speaker 2: ecosystem to ecosystem, and yeah, it's a headache, but it's
Speaker 2: always nice to try something new out, and especially in
Speaker 2: the circumstance where there's a lot of letdowns with the
Speaker 2: hardware and software from Apple this year, it's not a
Speaker 2: terrible time to check out something new. And if you
Speaker 2: don't like it, then well, now, you know, go back
Speaker 2: to what needs to be improved upon and maybe make
Speaker 2: your voice a little bit more heard or I don't know,
Speaker 2: somehow again into some of those QA teams and voice
Speaker 2: your opinion on what they could do better. But it's tough.
Speaker 2: It's tough to watch you guys wane so much in
Speaker 2: your excitement, especially from the event. You guys are pretty
Speaker 2: pumped for what was being shown, but seeing what it
Speaker 2: is now and your guys' thoughts on in Drew having
Speaker 2: a stooped to the level so low that he has
Speaker 2: to do a sponsorship just to keep the sixteen to
Speaker 2: give his wife at fifteen because yeah, I'm like lightning
Speaker 2: so much. I mean, I can just get attacking because
Speaker 2: lightning isn't that bad. But uh yeah, okay, whatever, it's funny.
Speaker 2: I would say that it's a very interesting I mean,
Speaker 2: it's always an interesting time in the tech world. But
Speaker 2: like we've said in the past, it's becoming a lot
Speaker 2: more abundantly clear that we're hitting a slow climb right now.
Speaker 2: It's not a shooting star pretty much. It's we don't
Speaker 2: have the much velocity or acceleration right now. We're very
Speaker 2: much cruising and slowing down a lot by air resistance
Speaker 2: or water whatever curriculism in comparison that I'm making right now,
Speaker 2: there needs to be some push for why you want
Speaker 2: this and why we are offering a robust product from
Speaker 2: a company like Apple.
Speaker 3: I will say this.
Speaker 4: Something that like I'm like, ah, I like having a
Speaker 4: thunderbolt port on an iPhone because I can plug in
Speaker 4: my mic, which requires power to turn on to run
Speaker 4: this one. And it only works on a Thunderbolt iPhone,
Speaker 4: not a you know, a two dot zho speed It
Speaker 4: won't power it. The idea of utilizing the hardware to
Speaker 4: its maximum potential excites me, which is why I was
Speaker 4: optimistic about the camera control button. But the software is
Speaker 4: what dictates how that goes. For example, software is just
Speaker 4: crap on camera control. It is what it is. Sometimes
Speaker 4: when you plug in your MIC directly into the phone,
Speaker 4: you won't know According to Drew, you wouldn't know if
Speaker 4: it stopped working or not. And that's a software thing.
Speaker 4: There's no indicator of it telling you it's not working anymore.
Speaker 4: Where the phone's done recording or whatever the case may be.
Speaker 4: That's all software that's causing that.
Speaker 3: So everything that.
Speaker 4: I have had a let down on had to do
Speaker 4: with software. With the exception of me complaining about the
Speaker 4: ultra wide not being that impressive, that's just the limitations
Speaker 4: of the sensor itself. So that's hardware. With the exception
Speaker 4: of that, everything else is really software based. That's causing
Speaker 4: all that to happen, and.
Speaker 2: And it dictates everything. Software is what determines your experience
Speaker 2: the only thing that I can see. It kind of
Speaker 2: weaves into what you're saying before at the USBC as well.
Speaker 2: The thing that software doesn't really touches devices that don't
Speaker 2: rely on it as much.
Speaker 4: With the audio mix is software. Yeah, worst thing I
Speaker 4: could have ever use. Mike, you made a comment to it.
Speaker 4: He said it sounds thirteen seconds sound out better than
Speaker 4: the rest of the video, And I'm like, he's right,
Speaker 4: he's right. That was software doing that, because according to them,
Speaker 4: the hardware is top not for studio mics like, Oh, well,
Speaker 4: I saw what they did with the MacBook. This has
Speaker 4: to be great.
Speaker 2: Did they get I was gonna make a great edit
Speaker 2: of all of your excitement leading up to the team
Speaker 2: of like on the podcast. I think I have all
Speaker 2: the clips, I just haven't assembled it of you being
Speaker 2: excited on the podcast, you being excited in your videos,
Speaker 2: and then the video of you being like and here
Speaker 2: we go it's it sounds soul, and then the next one. Sorry, guys,
Speaker 2: I'm out. I can't. I'm just gonna use my mic
Speaker 2: like it's a great compilation of Randy's already hurting enough
Speaker 2: and I don't know where I'm gonna post anyways and
Speaker 2: on Twitter anyways. But uh, getting back to it, Yeah,
Speaker 2: I do seceed with the whole USBC thing. It is
Speaker 2: nice having one port for all solutions. It's something I'm
Speaker 2: appreciating with my Reobie products is that I've got three
Speaker 2: or four batteries that can go into two or three
Speaker 2: different devices, and I always have one charging and the
Speaker 2: battery can be used in those devices without a problem,
Speaker 2: where I've got two others that have very unique batteries
Speaker 2: that can't find anything else and so it's slightly the same,
Speaker 2: but like being able to have the same port to
Speaker 2: plug into is great. But as I was saying as
Speaker 2: well to you, Randy, with the whole software thing, those
Speaker 2: aren't dictated by software, so it doesn't matter for me,
Speaker 2: so it doesn't impact me as much. But being able
Speaker 2: to balance hardware and software and offer a robust solution
Speaker 2: is a tough game. And I think Apple's just showing
Speaker 2: here with their pushes to be a little bit more relevant,
Speaker 2: has shown that they aren't optimizing as much as they
Speaker 2: maybe should have for their launches for their products.
Speaker 1: Do you think you know the tech community talks a
Speaker 1: lot about like one hundred and twenty hurtz, why isn't
Speaker 1: that on the base model? And I understand most consumers
Speaker 1: don't care, but the justification of like, even if they
Speaker 1: don't care, why not at it really came down to cost, right,
Speaker 1: It's like the cost of an LTPO panel that could
Speaker 1: do that higher refresh rate wouldn't be justified. But then
Speaker 1: they put camera control on the cheapest iPhone and I
Speaker 1: feel like that's got to be close to the same
Speaker 1: amount of pricing to speck it up a little bit
Speaker 1: for one hundred and twenty, and I'm wondering if internally
Speaker 1: they were just like, yeah, but one hundred twenty hurtz
Speaker 1: doesn't help us sell Apple intelligence features. But camera control
Speaker 1: we can pitch as visual intelligence, Like you need that
Speaker 1: button with the only I mean, it's not a button,
Speaker 1: you need that feature. You gotta hold that down to
Speaker 1: launch visual intelligence, which you can't do on older phones.
Speaker 1: So I don't know. I just picture that boardroom meeting
Speaker 1: where they're like, well, let's add camera control, which is
Speaker 1: a little bit more cost. You know, it's sapphire glass,
Speaker 1: which isn't cheap. It's surrounded with stainless steel, and then
Speaker 1: you have to up the IP rating because it's a
Speaker 1: physical button, so you have to build it into the chassis.
Speaker 1: It complicates everything. Opposed to just swapping out a display,
Speaker 1: the phone has to have a display, Like that's not
Speaker 1: a part you can remove. But instead of going with
Speaker 1: the basic sixty hertz panel, just use the one twenty
Speaker 1: hertz panel that you're already using in the pros. Like,
Speaker 1: I feel like the argument that the average consumer wouldn't
Speaker 1: care about one twenty doesn't work as well when Apple
Speaker 1: starts pushing new hardware features into the base model sixteen,
Speaker 1: because I always looked at it as like, you know,
Speaker 1: the base model sixteen, they're just trying to keep as
Speaker 1: cheap as possible so that they still have decent margins
Speaker 1: on a lower price. But now that they're doing this,
Speaker 1: they put the A eighteen chip in there almost, you know,
Speaker 1: just as powerful as the A eighteen Pro, just a
Speaker 1: couple less cores. They're throwing camera control in there. I'm like,
Speaker 1: they're I don't know, my opinion is they're panicking. It
Speaker 1: almost feels like it's like they're panicking about like halfway
Speaker 1: through the development cycle of iPhone sixteen lineup. Whenever that
Speaker 1: took place, they just suddenly went, oh, crap, we don't
Speaker 1: got anything like this is not gonna be a good year.
Speaker 1: This is not a substantial upgrade. There's very few changes
Speaker 1: that people are gonna care about. And then the marketing
Speaker 1: team was probably just like, yeah, you're not hitting our
Speaker 1: quota for it. We need to talk about this many
Speaker 1: things on a new iPhone, And they're like, what what
Speaker 1: do we got? What can we do? How do we
Speaker 1: get people excited? Well, go to the news, everyone's talking
Speaker 1: about AI. We have to we have to do more
Speaker 1: AI stuff we got to lean into AI. Could we
Speaker 1: do one hundred twenty hertz? Yeah? Maybe, But how does
Speaker 1: that help us align with the AI stuff? It's like,
Speaker 1: I guess it doesn't, but the camera control could because
Speaker 1: visual intelligence, And it's like is it ready yet? No,
Speaker 1: But as long as we're talking about it, that means
Speaker 1: that plays into the whole marketing of built from the
Speaker 1: ground up for Apple Intelligence. It's like camera control, that's
Speaker 1: what it's built for. It's like it's built for it,
Speaker 1: and yet at launch it doesn't have it. It's just
Speaker 1: and like you said, even when it does launch, it's
Speaker 1: going to be just a couple features. It's going to
Speaker 1: be like proof read and jen Moji and other stuff.
Speaker 1: I don't know. I would care more if I was
Speaker 1: interested in the intelligence features, but all of them seem
Speaker 1: really dumb to me, which is why I'm not too
Speaker 1: bothered by it. I'm like, I'm just reviewing it as
Speaker 1: it is. I don't even want to talk about we'll
Speaker 1: get there. I'm sure we'll make videos about how Apple
Speaker 1: Intelligence does down the road. But to me, that's the
Speaker 1: vibe I'm getting from Apple is that they are internally
Speaker 1: realizing that as a company and a brand. They've kind
Speaker 1: of matured all their tech that can't really make it
Speaker 1: that much better. Their biggest competitors not Google, it's themselves.
Speaker 1: Their biggest threat is last year's iPhone. And that's why
Speaker 1: I'm telling everybody just go out by a fifteen refurbished
Speaker 1: or renewed. You can several hundred dollars and get a
Speaker 1: near identical experience.
Speaker 4: So I appreciated the type to Siri for the beta
Speaker 4: I was using. I really liked that because I was
Speaker 4: able to in some prompts I forget. I wish I
Speaker 4: could remember what I did, but I was able to
Speaker 4: drill down, like tap on the thing and open up
Speaker 4: another thing, and I can scroll. And then when I
Speaker 4: was done, I was able to just swipe up on
Speaker 4: the home bar, and it took me right back to
Speaker 4: the app I was already in, not the home bar,
Speaker 4: It didn't not the home screen, It didn't move me anywhere,
Speaker 4: it kept me right around that. I was like, this
Speaker 4: is what I wanted. I did. I do simple math
Speaker 4: with types of Siri, way better than hope up the
Speaker 4: camera app.
Speaker 6: Do this.
Speaker 4: I would just go twenty five hundred times three or whatever, right,
Speaker 4: and I would write the word times.
Speaker 3: And and just and that was it and give me
Speaker 3: the answer.
Speaker 4: Yeah. So I was like, okay, I'm just give an example.
Speaker 1: But the calculator app keeps throwing me off though because
Speaker 1: of the delete key. Yes, I used to be able
Speaker 1: to swipe and that yep, I swiped on the number
Speaker 1: to delete, and now they've changed it, and I'm like, ah,
Speaker 1: I'm having to relearn everything. But Apple doesn't know how
Speaker 1: to live with the fact that a lot of their
Speaker 1: tech that there's there's no way to improve upon it.
Speaker 1: Really like they've created a well rounded, well made smartphone
Speaker 1: experience and then they have to force themself what what
Speaker 1: can we add to it? What can we do more of?
Speaker 1: And it's like nothing.
Speaker 4: They make it cheaper ish, Bye bye innovation to them. Now,
Speaker 4: well people will you know, people are going to lose
Speaker 4: their freaking minds over this is if the iPhone seventeen
Speaker 4: base model has promotion. Now all of a sudden, it's
Speaker 4: a big deal. Apple's back baby and stock starting the skyrocket.
Speaker 1: And the techies will love it, but not the not
Speaker 1: the everyday consumer.
Speaker 4: Yeah, they nobody will know any difference regardless. But for
Speaker 4: the sake of saying that we improving on our products.
Speaker 4: That's low hanging fruit that they can address at any point,
Speaker 4: and they just chose not to. As evident by what
Speaker 4: you just said, they rather put money towards a camera
Speaker 4: control button than the display panel, which I would say
Speaker 4: that the same, the same. The display panel is so
Speaker 4: much more cheaper, cost efficient, and you can still what
Speaker 4: like these iPhones, they're the base iPhones, aren't actually eight
Speaker 4: hundred and fifty dollars American.
Speaker 3: That's that's if you.
Speaker 4: That's if you do the the the activation thing with
Speaker 4: your carrier. Only in the base models will they say
Speaker 4: it's this price. My military discount shows me a base
Speaker 4: model for seven and twenty dollars, but it's only seven
Speaker 4: hundred and twenty dollars if I activate with T Mobile,
Speaker 4: not outright outright it's I think seven to seventy or
Speaker 4: something like that. Fifty something like.
Speaker 1: I can't believe they're still doing that all these years later.
Speaker 4: Only on the base models, because that's the best selling model,
Speaker 4: because it's the japestmore.
Speaker 1: I thought the pros were. I think it's the decoy model.
Speaker 1: It's the The job of the base model is to
Speaker 1: make the pros look good.
Speaker 3: It's not working.
Speaker 1: Though they are pretty that's probably its best feature.
Speaker 4: Honestly, I think the macro mode focused ultra widess. I
Speaker 4: was shocked that that came to a base model.
Speaker 3: I was happy, but shocked. I was like, wow.
Speaker 1: I still think it confuses more people than anything because
Speaker 1: then when they hold their phone close to things, it
Speaker 1: does that macro switch crops in.
Speaker 4: But the base iPhone main sensor here is not the
Speaker 4: same depth as the pros and I was reading up
Speaker 4: I needed to verify something because to my understanding, the
Speaker 4: main sensor the fusion cameras they call it now for
Speaker 4: the sixteen Pro, it's the same as fifteen Pro. So
Speaker 4: I did by side by side, and sure enough I
Speaker 4: was able to get closer on a Base fifteen because
Speaker 4: you're you have more room to get closer with it
Speaker 4: and still maintain clarity without it getting too out of
Speaker 4: focus with it, and with that, it won't trigger the
Speaker 4: macro mode if it's If it's not too close and
Speaker 4: you're able to get closer, it will still confuse people, yes,
Speaker 4: and they won't know why they're getting worse photos for it.
Speaker 4: But for what it is, you can get a lot
Speaker 4: closer on a base iPhone than are a pro because
Speaker 4: the camera sensors on the pros are just they're too big.
Speaker 4: There's a certain once you get too much, it's done.
Speaker 4: And I was really hoping I kept the macro mode
Speaker 4: on or at least the ability to switch between the lenses,
Speaker 4: hoping that the forty eight megapixel wouldn fix that problem.
Speaker 4: After I took the photo, and I still look just
Speaker 4: as gross. And that's a me problem. But I looked
Speaker 4: just as gross as I did with any of the
Speaker 4: other pros that had that same issue, from what fourteen Pro,
Speaker 4: fifteen Pro, and now sixteen Pro it's the same problem.
Speaker 4: So yeah, but now you get two lenses and you
Speaker 4: still get those four they treated like four lenses that
Speaker 4: you ever met. There four different ones for the costume two.
Speaker 1: The four lenses.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's what I was going to ask you, is
Speaker 2: is there actually a macro setting on the zooms on
Speaker 2: the sixteen or yes? Okay, I like that now. Yeah,
Speaker 2: Before on the fourteen and maybe thirteen or whatever and
Speaker 2: on it was an issue with me where you put it.
Speaker 2: To get the quote unquote macro shot, you have to
Speaker 2: put it in ultra wide and then get really close.
Speaker 2: But that wasn't clear like that was they didn't have Yeah,
Speaker 2: like there was that was the pros macro capability on
Speaker 2: the pros. But even so they didn't list like here's
Speaker 2: how you get a macro shot in the phone. It
Speaker 2: was just you see it online. You're like, how do
Speaker 2: I do that? And you have to do all this
Speaker 2: research and then you try doing it phases in and
Speaker 2: out and having a nice setting in there that says, hey,
Speaker 2: this is dedicated for macro shots. Yes, I appreciate. Even
Speaker 2: though it seems very like this.
Speaker 1: Is because it goes off all the time. It still
Speaker 1: does when you're just when you're holding something at a
Speaker 1: reasonable distance, it'll still switch over to the ultra wide
Speaker 1: and crop in to be like that's more InFocus. That's
Speaker 1: that's the example. My wife was doing the side by
Speaker 1: sides with her iPhone ten and the sixteen promacs, and
Speaker 1: she took a picture of a sunflower and the iPhone
Speaker 1: ten produced the better image because it was using the
Speaker 1: main sensor in the sixteen was like, oh, this is
Speaker 1: too close, So it switched to the ultrawide and then
Speaker 1: crops in and now everything's kind of compressed and there's
Speaker 1: less depth, and it was like, okay, that's that's an
Speaker 1: everyday experience she just went through. Where now this twelve
Speaker 1: hundred dollars phone is performing worse than this seven year
Speaker 1: old life Drew.
Speaker 4: Do you on your sixteen pro now? Do you have
Speaker 4: the same overheating problem?
Speaker 1: It doesn't feel as bad, But I'm wondering if that's
Speaker 1: more to do with the size. I can still overheat it,
Speaker 1: though I definitely don't think that there's a massive difference
Speaker 1: in the thermals. They made it seem like it was
Speaker 1: a big deal, and I got it to overheat pretty easily.
Speaker 1: It didn't overheat to the point of shutting down, but
Speaker 1: it did get to the point where it dims the
Speaker 1: display and it drops the refresh rate, and I'm like, okay,
Speaker 1: so you can still overheat. I still have to be cautious,
Speaker 1: but I do think like being physically larger probably helps
Speaker 1: dissipate because the chip is the same size whether you
Speaker 1: get the Pro or the Pro Max, but the heat
Speaker 1: sink that's surrounding it is physically larger on the Promax,
Speaker 1: So to be fair, there are some things I like
Speaker 1: about it. Now that I'm managing social media for so
Speaker 1: many different accounts, Having the bigger screen has been nice.
Speaker 1: I like how much information I can read all at
Speaker 1: once instead of trying to cram everything on my little screen.
Speaker 1: So my use case has changed a bit where a
Speaker 1: smaller phone. As much as I love the convenience and
Speaker 1: portability of the mini iPhones, as long as I have
Speaker 1: this current job, having a big phone is pretty useful
Speaker 1: with that. But I predict within the next five to
Speaker 1: ten years, I think Apple's going to remove camera control.
Speaker 1: I think it's going to be like a three D
Speaker 1: touch thing where they're like, not enough people are using this,
Speaker 1: let's get rid of it. Maybe less than five years,
Speaker 1: It'll depend on how the usage data is, but I'm
Speaker 1: predicting this is one of those things that's everyday people
Speaker 1: are not going to use, and Apple's going to realize
Speaker 1: we're wasting time and money. They don't give up too quickly.
Speaker 1: They like to commit to things for a while. But
Speaker 1: in the same way that no one really used three
Speaker 1: D touch, even though that was a good feature, camera
Speaker 1: control I think is going to turn into one of
Speaker 1: those things that just like, hardly anybody uses and they
Speaker 1: will get rid of.
Speaker 2: That's my Can you still pinch to zoom on the
Speaker 2: sixteen's and sixteen pros or do you have to use
Speaker 2: the camera?
Speaker 1: Of course.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, if they force you to use
Speaker 2: the camera control button to zoom, then that's a different
Speaker 2: story because then people are going to try to figure
Speaker 2: out how zoom and they use it, and then that's
Speaker 2: data Apple saying oh, look they used it.
Speaker 1: No one, Yeah, I would return the phone if it
Speaker 1: did that. That would be horrible. That would be a
Speaker 1: deal breaker for me. But I've tried to show it
Speaker 1: to so many different people on how camera control works,
Speaker 1: and no one figured it out. There wasn't a single
Speaker 1: person in my family who was visiting.
Speaker 2: But we're somehow getting a wider shot of Randy on
Speaker 2: his phone compared to the camera that he's using. That's hilarious.
Speaker 1: Can see even it was the least intuitive thing I've
Speaker 1: ever seen appleship. I was like, how are they How
Speaker 1: are they okay shipping this like it was So I
Speaker 1: kept trying to explain to people how it worked, and
Speaker 1: they would they would just open the camera and try
Speaker 1: to zoom and it wouldn't work, and I'm like, no,
Speaker 1: you have to press down lightly, and then they would
Speaker 1: just do a quick tap.
Speaker 4: Control strewed me. It just did it right now, that's
Speaker 4: the same one to talk about accidental input. Sorry, Mike,
Speaker 4: all right, Drew, keep going.
Speaker 1: Sorry, I just well not even the accidental intentional input
Speaker 1: is confusing because it's such a small surface. You can't
Speaker 1: do much zooming. Your finger has to turn into this
Speaker 1: inch worm. And even older cameras that had a little
Speaker 1: dial on the top, it was not it didn't work
Speaker 1: that way. You didn't inch like a you know, disposable
Speaker 1: film camera like refilling the film. No, it was like
Speaker 1: if you wanted to zoom on an old camcorder, you
Speaker 1: would like have a little rocker or a dial at
Speaker 1: the top, and you would push it one direction and
Speaker 1: then it would zoom at a consistent rate, in and out,
Speaker 1: and then as soon as you let go, it would stop.
Speaker 1: It would snap in place. And that's not what camera
Speaker 1: control does. It's just like your fingers an inch worm,
Speaker 1: and it's an uncomfortable position. You get way more control
Speaker 1: and it's way more intuitive to just pinch on the screen,
Speaker 1: which is what everybody's gonna do. And I don't think
Speaker 1: people are going to use visual intelligence even when that ships.
Speaker 1: I don't think that's a very useful feature. It's really
Speaker 1: not any different from Google Lens, which has been available
Speaker 1: for it feels like a decade it's been around. There's
Speaker 1: there's ways you can launch an app on your phone
Speaker 1: and have the phone tell you what it's seeing, like
Speaker 1: reviews on what it's looking at. That's that's not a
Speaker 1: new thing. That's not.
Speaker 2: Apple's version of it.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 4: I hate camera control, but my action button. Let's play
Speaker 4: a game. What's it map to.
Speaker 1: Mine is still camera because I.
Speaker 4: Mine is camera.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's faster and easier because you can hold it down.
Speaker 1: You can't hold down camera control to launch the camera.
Speaker 2: You have to click it in and that's it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you have to click in and then let go.
Speaker 1: But if it's even slower because if the display is off,
Speaker 1: Randy will tell you, yeah, the display is off and
Speaker 1: you press camera control, it just wakes up the display.
Speaker 1: It doesn't launch the camera.
Speaker 2: So even though that, at least with my current phone,
Speaker 2: I can just raise it out of my pocket and
Speaker 2: it wakes up with that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well you can still do race to Wag, but
Speaker 1: if you just press it once with the display off,
Speaker 1: which my use case, that came up a lot. Is
Speaker 1: the reason I like the action button. Was that if
Speaker 1: I'm traveling somewhere or I'm out and about and I
Speaker 1: see something I want to take a picture of really fast,
Speaker 1: or I want to take a video it's like a
Speaker 1: helicopter flying by or whatever. I'm reaching in my pocket,
Speaker 1: I feel the action button. The display isn't on yet.
Speaker 1: I hold down the action button so that by the
Speaker 1: time I get here, the camera's already launched. Work with
Speaker 1: camera control because pressing at once just wakes the display.
Speaker 1: You have to press it a second time to launch
Speaker 1: the camera. And it's not a hole down, it's a
Speaker 1: press and release, whereas action button, it's just one motion,
Speaker 1: just click down and then it's open. So I still
Speaker 1: use the action button for camera all the time, even
Speaker 1: though there some people are like, well, camera control is
Speaker 1: nice because I have a way to launch the camera instantly,
Speaker 1: and I'm like, action button's better at that. Some people
Speaker 1: want to use their action button for something else, like
Speaker 1: the flashlight. But again, like you've explained, you can. You
Speaker 1: can just swipe to the right to launch the camera
Speaker 1: two from the lock screen, or you can press those
Speaker 1: little toggles at the bottom. Those those have been around
Speaker 1: for seven years now, so yeah, there's no reason to
Speaker 1: buy sixteen. In my opinion, any size, any storage, even
Speaker 1: the base model, is not worth it. It's a pretty color,
Speaker 1: But you can find an iPhone fifteen for like six
Speaker 1: hundred bucks for furbished now and it'll be ninety five
Speaker 1: ninety nine percent the exact same experience.
Speaker 4: So the only thing you don't get on iPhone fifteen
Speaker 4: that I think is worth anything is the updated photographic styles.
Speaker 1: People don't use those to that I use them. I like,
Speaker 1: do you use photographic styles on your phone? Mike?
Speaker 2: Is that the filters?
Speaker 1: Well, it looks like filters, but Apple tries to convince
Speaker 1: you they're not filters. Then no, this is this is
Speaker 1: at the core level. It's processed fundamentally maintains skin textures
Speaker 1: and tones.
Speaker 2: My whole thing is I take a photo with regular
Speaker 2: settings as shown here with JD Vance, I guess, and
Speaker 2: then later I put in my added things that I
Speaker 2: want to I don't want to take a picture like this,
Speaker 2: weird color shifted.
Speaker 4: Mike look so vice presidential.
Speaker 1: I need image playgrounds to generate an image of Mike.
Speaker 4: Somebody asked me if I used that yesterday because I
Speaker 4: posted there. They said, hey, do you have access to photograph.
Speaker 4: What the hell.
Speaker 1: Why you were lagging there for a minute? Sorry?
Speaker 4: Why, I don't know. Yeah, somebody asked me because I
Speaker 4: posted a teaser to something, it's my album. I think
Speaker 4: that I think I'll make the announcement.
Speaker 2: Today making an album.
Speaker 4: I think it's actually I'm actually announcing the album today.
Speaker 3: I believe.
Speaker 4: I'm waiting for iTunes to give me the because this
Speaker 4: is going to go up on Saturday. It's going to
Speaker 4: be announced you today or tomorrow. So I'm talking about
Speaker 4: it openly year. But I'm waiting for iTunes to tell
Speaker 4: me that the pre saved link is actually live, because
Speaker 4: when it is, then I can actually like start to
Speaker 4: properly promote it. I haven't got that email yet. But
Speaker 4: the album is done. And I teased a fake version
Speaker 4: of what my what the cover art is going to
Speaker 4: look like, and so I went and back in March.
Speaker 3: I took the emojis.
Speaker 4: Of the hands. I took the bubbles emojis and erased
Speaker 4: the other bubbles and kept one of them. I took
Speaker 4: some stars and I just warped it. This was March, okay, March,
Speaker 4: and so I do it. I'm like, this kind of
Speaker 4: looks like my album cover. So I make it, and uh,
Speaker 4: I remember things like, man, I wish we could have
Speaker 4: more control over the emojis.
Speaker 3: I need to find out three months later.
Speaker 4: There is I need to find out three months later.
Speaker 4: That's basically what the image playground or gen moji whatever.
Speaker 3: That's what gen moji is is you can.
Speaker 4: Kind of manipulate your your things. So that is part
Speaker 4: one of my teaser. And then by the time this
Speaker 4: goes out, you'll that will reveal to be the actual
Speaker 4: what the actual cover art is, along with the tide
Speaker 4: and everything like that. So if I don't make it
Speaker 4: to the deadline, then uh, the podcast YouTubers get a
Speaker 4: sneak peek of my cover art.
Speaker 3: Whoa, it's yes, that's the.
Speaker 2: Whyrew is not zooming in on it instead.
Speaker 4: Sorry, something worry about like to like, I'm not doing it.
Speaker 3: I'm not doing it again.
Speaker 1: Zoom. Wow, look at that.
Speaker 2: It's an amazing album cover.
Speaker 1: I sent to the group chat what it reminded me
Speaker 1: of but.
Speaker 4: Jem Yeah, but so something I realized that I wanted
Speaker 4: a generative.
Speaker 1: Very similar Uh what there you go? So, but no,
Speaker 1: I did not use You don't need moji, Randy, You're
Speaker 1: better than that you know that there's another feeling I
Speaker 1: have that I mentioned in the review video, which is
Speaker 1: anything that is hyped this high will always be a disappointment.
Speaker 1: Like there's no way just from a development standpoint, you
Speaker 1: know that internally Apple is pushing the software team. You know,
Speaker 1: they're like, you, guys, have to get this done. You
Speaker 1: have to get it out as soon as possible. When
Speaker 1: there's those kind of stakes and there's that kind of
Speaker 1: pressure coming down from the marketing team and the executives
Speaker 1: at the company that are like, you have to get
Speaker 1: this out, there's no way that it's gonna actually work
Speaker 1: as intended. Like even when they release it to the public,
Speaker 1: even when it's out of beta, technically, it's still gonna
Speaker 1: be rushed. It's still gonna be missing things. It's still
Speaker 1: not gonna work as great as Apple says, because the
Speaker 1: circumstances leading to its development are just, in my opinion,
Speaker 1: it won't succeed. It can't. Like they're already pushing it
Speaker 1: too hard. You're gonna break it, and you're just gonna
Speaker 1: be like deadline, Deadline's coming up, Deadline's coming up. Ship
Speaker 1: Ship chipship, and then it sucks. So true, it don't
Speaker 1: buy a phone for Apple Intelligence. I don't care.
Speaker 4: Why do you have that mindset for this but not
Speaker 4: for ROBOTAXI This is literally what I was saying in
Speaker 4: in the ev podcast, who says, don't you're like it's
Speaker 4: gonna be controlled by a control like.
Speaker 1: Temper your expens totally different. I think no, I think
Speaker 1: that's totally different. I think FSD driving around a city
Speaker 1: block for one minute is way more achievable than what
Speaker 1: is Apple Intelligence even trying to do. We can't. We
Speaker 1: can't even explain.
Speaker 4: Decribe Apple Intelligence and a single sentence go good, very good.
Speaker 1: I'll search the web for that as it's gonna be
Speaker 1: asked when it launches. It's finally out of beta. Siri,
Speaker 1: what's my what's my calendar look like? I don't know's.
Speaker 4: I don't know what you ask.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you caught Nick's podcast, Randy, but
Speaker 1: Nick was not very impressed. He's running the beta and
Speaker 1: he said the chat GPT is far better than Apple
Speaker 1: Intelligence at this point, it's not even close.
Speaker 4: But he, unlike us, is sticking with a sixteen bro.
Speaker 4: I try to talk him out of it, and he's, oh, well,
Speaker 4: you you sold out, so it's different you. Yours is
Speaker 4: paid for. Yeah, you're you're, you're just you're just another
Speaker 4: washed up has been sell out?
Speaker 1: Who that's true?
Speaker 4: No, that one felt even that one felt too much.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry that one. That one.
Speaker 1: No, No, I'd be saying the same thing to you
Speaker 1: if you did it.
Speaker 4: I know, but that's I'm cooler than I'm nicer than you,
Speaker 4: I'm better than you, So I can't I feel nicer, Mike,
Speaker 4: you can go straight to.
Speaker 9: Debate, which is kind of like hell right, So I
Speaker 9: tell I'll tell you this much because I don't think
Speaker 9: he's going to be back anytime soon.
Speaker 4: On the show, he asked we we we.
Speaker 1: Were, uh, you should do one, you should do it
Speaker 1: in person.
Speaker 4: Well, we shall see, but I want to week off.
Speaker 1: Please.
Speaker 4: Well we record it this week, so he's here for
Speaker 4: the weekend. That's we're done.
Speaker 1: Do it for next week. You two always have lots
Speaker 1: to talk about.
Speaker 4: And we'll have a lot to talk about while we're
Speaker 4: touching grass. So he wants my phone.
Speaker 1: Hmmm, why because it has your bank information on it?
Speaker 2: Because it's white.
Speaker 1: No, he said, he likes the black Titan.
Speaker 4: Now, I'm sorry, Nick, if you're listening to this.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, but.
Speaker 4: It's just it's in conversation I have to bring up.
Speaker 4: Now he's straighted. He's already at the Apple story exchanging
Speaker 4: his phone.
Speaker 1: Oh my god.
Speaker 4: Not only that he hates something happened with his Ultra
Speaker 4: too black.
Speaker 1: Uh oh and it gets scuffed. I saw some people reporting. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm glad they took their time on that. Everyone was
Speaker 1: like a black titanium would scratch too easily, so they
Speaker 1: took an extra year to figure it out. And they
Speaker 1: still didn't figure out. They were like, did you guys
Speaker 1: finish Nope, let's ship it.
Speaker 4: When uh, when he said that happened, he was like,
Speaker 4: I instantly regret this. So he's been He already went
Speaker 4: back to the series one Ultra and.
Speaker 1: Sorry, everything everything he bought basically has been returned.
Speaker 4: Oh I don't know. I don't know about two things
Speaker 4: because one wait, he's keeping the sixteen pro Max and
Speaker 4: that's why I told him. I was like, you don't
Speaker 4: want my that one. He's he wants the white one
Speaker 4: because he wants continuity. If he's not keeping the black
Speaker 4: Ultra to or whatever the series two, then he he
Speaker 4: wants continuity with his line.
Speaker 3: So I thought him, don't take mine?
Speaker 4: Yeah, how drew question? Speaking of white things? Are you
Speaker 4: did you?
Speaker 1: No? I haven't decided who I'm voting for.
Speaker 3: Well that's good, Yes you have.
Speaker 4: Yes, you're you're voting for Mike.
Speaker 2: I know that was running.
Speaker 4: Are you keeping or are you going to keep? What
Speaker 4: is your relationship between you and air Pods for?
Speaker 1: Uh? Because you're not wearing them?
Speaker 4: Yeah, you're not wearing them.
Speaker 1: I'm not.
Speaker 4: What's wrong with you?
Speaker 1: Uh? I like saving?
Speaker 3: Could I not sponsor that either?
Speaker 2: Apparently not?
Speaker 1: Well, that wasn't part of the deal. Also, though, if
Speaker 1: you watch the review, you know that there was a
Speaker 1: deal breaker issue with their pot.
Speaker 4: I saw the dealer, I saw, and I think we
Speaker 4: even though about it on the show.
Speaker 1: Didn't we the bleed through? I don't remember talking about it,
Speaker 1: but yeah, whenever we mentioned it. The the bleed through
Speaker 1: on Airpod's four was particularly bad, to the point where
Speaker 1: my wife is driving the car, a Model three from
Speaker 1: twenty twenty two. You know how noisy it is in
Speaker 1: those things, and she's going seventy miles per hour. I'm
Speaker 1: not blasting music. I didn't like turn up the volume
Speaker 1: as loud as possible. I'm just editing a normal video
Speaker 1: at an average like fifty percent volume. She could hear
Speaker 1: it in the car.
Speaker 3: That sounds like a whole lot of her problem. Sounds
Speaker 3: like you've ran in the time of your life.
Speaker 4: Sounds like you should have kept those thugs.
Speaker 1: To me, that defeats the point of headphones if everybody
Speaker 1: can hear what you're listening to. I'm just going to
Speaker 1: use the MacBook speakers anyway. So that's kind of a
Speaker 1: deal breaker. But I kind of regret returning them. So
Speaker 1: I did return them, just so we're clear. But as
Speaker 1: soon as I went back to Airpod's pro this morning
Speaker 1: or no, we were using them last night for a meeting,
Speaker 1: I want they were kind of dirty, you know how
Speaker 1: AirPods get. I wanted to clean them. So I grabbed
Speaker 1: the rubber seal to like, you know, say it, say it,
Speaker 1: I'm cleaning the airport, and the rubber part tears again
Speaker 1: second time. These are my second pairs, my first pair
Speaker 1: of the rubber so I saw it in the process
Speaker 1: of tearing. It didn't rip all the way off, but
Speaker 1: I was just like two years later, here we go again,
Speaker 1: and I and I AirPods, you said it, not me.
Speaker 9: We were thinking it the moment you went like this,
Speaker 9: you were we were thinking it.
Speaker 4: Well, I saw that thoughts were Jewish.
Speaker 2: Okay, I sure he doesn't all the way off?
Speaker 1: Or is it just no? I saw the tear start,
Speaker 1: and that's when I stopped. I was gonna pull them
Speaker 1: all the way off, and I was just like, it's tearing.
Speaker 1: So I stopped right then and put it back on
Speaker 1: and just said, Okay, it works for now. It is
Speaker 1: still attached. But I guess they're just getting dirty now.
Speaker 1: But I was like, I I loved everything about AirPods
Speaker 1: Pro when I first got them, but the longer I've
Speaker 1: owned them, the more I've hated them. And I don't
Speaker 1: think I'm ever buying AirPods Pro again, or at least
Speaker 1: I don't want to buy headphones with rubber seals anymore,
Speaker 1: because they can't break.
Speaker 4: Over ears don't just squid where.
Speaker 1: It's easy to say now because I haven't worn over
Speaker 1: ears in a while, but last time I remember wearing
Speaker 1: over ears that really made my head uncomfortable. So but
Speaker 1: I don't want to spend five hundred and fifty bucks on.
Speaker 4: I'm not saying air pods. I'm just saying the size
Speaker 4: of working.
Speaker 3: What's the okay question? Because you were explaining this thing
Speaker 3: with you in the car with Louise. This is a
Speaker 3: genuine question.
Speaker 4: What is your What is your function for using any
Speaker 4: type of headphones, whether in ear, on ear, or over ear?
Speaker 4: What what is what is your purpose? Is it to
Speaker 4: just have an isolated experience? Is it to have a
Speaker 4: better sounding experience? There's different answers will tell you why
Speaker 4: you should or shouldn't have over ears or in ears
Speaker 4: or on ears or anything like that or anything.
Speaker 1: I don't like having more than one thing, as you know,
Speaker 1: I don't want to have two phones. I don't want
Speaker 1: to have so I like having one pair of headphones
Speaker 1: that can kind of do everything. But my use cases
Speaker 1: are more for doing online calls like this, like I'm
Speaker 1: doing a lot more meetings at my new job, and
Speaker 1: you don't want the mic to pick up the speakers
Speaker 1: and everything, So I use it for work calls. But
Speaker 1: I also do a lot of yard work, and I'm
Speaker 1: using machinery that makes noise when I'm mowing the lawn
Speaker 1: and everything. The mower's loud, So I like having active
Speaker 1: noise cancelation, which is what was appealing to me to
Speaker 1: AirPods for. But then there's also times where like I
Speaker 1: want to watch a video or a live stream that's
Speaker 1: kind of late or very early in the morning, and
Speaker 1: my wife is trying to sleep and she's right next
Speaker 1: to me. So I just want something I can throw
Speaker 1: on and listen that doesn't disturb people around me. And
Speaker 1: that was kind of the deal breaker with airpod's for
Speaker 1: It was like, anytime I wear these, everybody around me
Speaker 1: is going to know that they're playing things, and it's
Speaker 1: kind of I hate that little faint headphone sound. Immediate
Speaker 1: it happens. Yeah, it's like I I'm hearing noise. It's
Speaker 1: not enough for people to know what you're listening to,
Speaker 1: but they can tell you're listening to something. It's a
Speaker 1: very frustrating sound. So I was like, I want something
Speaker 1: with less bleed through but good a n C. But
Speaker 1: also because I use it when I'm doing your work,
Speaker 1: it has to be somewhat water resistant because I sweat
Speaker 1: a lot, and as you know, I have to adjust
Speaker 1: my headphones all the time because how sweaty it gets.
Speaker 2: Here here's a sweaty man.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna ask almost ridiculous question, but is it possible
Speaker 4: in those. It sounds like everything with Airpod's four meets
Speaker 4: stack rats here except the bleed through part. So here's
Speaker 4: the ridiculous question. Is it possible you could just turn
Speaker 4: it down a little bit more, you know what I mean,
Speaker 4: and you can still have the experience, Like.
Speaker 1: I don't know, you sound just like everybody around me
Speaker 1: whenever I'm using can you turn them down a little lower?
Speaker 1: And I'm like, fifty per cent, I hear.
Speaker 4: It, not me necess I don't care. I'm deaf anyway,
Speaker 4: so I don't care. But you you having it sounds
Speaker 4: like like because it sounds like up until this one part,
Speaker 4: like you don't want anything with silicon SIPs again, like
Speaker 4: the Airpod's pro is that thing for you.
Speaker 1: But they're dying too. They didn't charge this morning when
Speaker 1: I when I me too, my left AirPod was dead and.
Speaker 4: I was like, yep, it's always the last, so I'm
Speaker 4: more likely.
Speaker 1: To go with some kind of over years. I don't
Speaker 1: think Airpod's max, but I I'm sick. Mike and I
Speaker 1: talked about this when we were driving through Nevada as well.
Speaker 1: I'm sick of headphones that only last like a year
Speaker 1: and a half. And then the batteries have shot. I'm
Speaker 1: tired of that. So it also for this application, it
Speaker 1: makes too much sense to have some something that I
Speaker 1: can plug in wired so that I don't have to
Speaker 1: be doing this musical Hello, it's so great, swish.
Speaker 4: I take for granted, I'm gonna pla, I'm gonna plug
Speaker 4: my album again. That's what the way I'm selling my
Speaker 4: own product there. Yeah, Jack, hang on before you say anything, Mike.
Speaker 4: The only thing that I don't like about my over
Speaker 4: years that I take for granted, or I don't take
Speaker 4: for granted anymore, that I realized, like oh man, I
Speaker 4: like that is I love the spatial audio that comes
Speaker 4: with the AirPods, and I mixed my album to be
Speaker 4: that where it works with spatial audio so you could
Speaker 4: get a good experience no matter what type of headphones
Speaker 4: you got. I know it works great in stereo, it
Speaker 4: works good on speakers, but I purposely was post production
Speaker 4: equivalent when I was mixing the album to make sure
Speaker 4: that they sounded exceptionally well in spatial audio without me
Speaker 4: doing an official Doby mix, because that costs more money
Speaker 4: to stream, and I don't want to pay more money
Speaker 4: for that. So the only thing the only reason I'm
Speaker 4: holding on to these things is so I can listen
Speaker 4: to playback of certain music for example, for me for protecting,
Speaker 4: to hear it in spatial audio and be like, wow,
Speaker 4: that's amazing. These over ears. I don't know of any
Speaker 4: over ears that are wired that can just plug in
Speaker 4: and then they're good that also can give me a
Speaker 4: spatial audio experience. If they can, then I'm right there
Speaker 4: with you, Drew, and I think you should do to. No,
Speaker 4: they don't plug in, they don't plug in. That a
Speaker 4: real plug in lossless plugging it. No, No, I need
Speaker 4: the bigger jack, the not the three point five millimeters one. Yes,
Speaker 4: the one she tells you not to worry about you, You,
Speaker 4: the one she tells you about.
Speaker 3: I need it.
Speaker 1: I need it to the mutual studios support spatial I
Speaker 1: don't know.
Speaker 4: I really, I have no idea.
Speaker 3: I know that the I know they do lossless, but
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 1: Do lostless, which is that's kind of what I'm eyeing
Speaker 1: right now. I'm not sure if I want to go
Speaker 1: through that because they don't have much IP rating of
Speaker 1: any kind. But the Beat studio pros look pretty good.
Speaker 4: If the studio pros have over ear spatial audio and
Speaker 4: it's a wired plug in. Then I think when my
Speaker 4: Airpot's pro inevitably crap out, I will do over ears.
Speaker 1: They do by the way they do. They have spatial
Speaker 1: audio and lossless playback.
Speaker 3: Text me a link right now.
Speaker 1: Yeah, actually, I'm texting you the link from Apple because
Speaker 1: that's the page that has the spatial audio stuff. But
Speaker 1: you can find them on Amazon for much cheaper than Oh,
Speaker 1: don't do this.
Speaker 4: In fact, I'm not buying an iPhone, so I'm gonna
Speaker 4: buy some headphones instead.
Speaker 1: Guess what. The Amazon cheaper pair also has an exclusive
Speaker 1: color that you can can't get from Apple.
Speaker 4: What's the color?
Speaker 1: White?
Speaker 4: Wow?
Speaker 1: Wow? White brown? So you can't get the clean white
Speaker 1: beat Studio pose from Apple. You have to get them
Speaker 1: from Amazon. And they are cheaper.
Speaker 4: So oh wow. See I told you I would pay
Speaker 4: three fifty for Airpod's Max to have that I don't
Speaker 4: I don't care about.
Speaker 1: You can buy him on Amazon for one seventy This generation, yeah,
Speaker 1: same generation. They are renewed. That's the one I'm looking at.
Speaker 2: You've just rocked this man's world.
Speaker 4: I don't need him right now.
Speaker 2: Though I don't need it, we're just impressed.
Speaker 1: I'll get you a sponsorship, Brandy.
Speaker 4: I bet you would. You're such a pro at that.
Speaker 1: Now, oh, did they sell out of the white ones thing?
Speaker 4: The exclusive?
Speaker 1: Wait?
Speaker 4: Where's the white I don't see white.
Speaker 1: It's not on that listing.
Speaker 2: It was like, oh, meanwhile, you guys are doing that.
Speaker 2: I'm just playing with the calculator app that I just downloaded.
Speaker 1: Why did you download a calculator app?
Speaker 2: No, the well, okay, it's the calculator app. I downloaded
Speaker 2: iPad os eighteen or whatever it is, and now it's
Speaker 2: absolutely math notes update.
Speaker 4: I bet they did those jerks.
Speaker 1: Sure, let's do it.
Speaker 2: Wait, I can have some fun here while you guys
Speaker 2: are looking at stuff. But pretty much the orange is
Speaker 2: what the iPad or math notes filled in. And unfortunately
Speaker 2: the equation thing sucks, but it sometimes works, And by sucks,
Speaker 2: maybe I'm being a little bit too harsh, but it
Speaker 2: doesn't like functions like why of X, like why parentheses
Speaker 2: X parentheses. It's just it likes why equals something in
Speaker 2: the function of X.
Speaker 1: And then.
Speaker 2: Then it'll tell you, okay, there's a graph for that.
Speaker 2: You want to see that, and then you can play
Speaker 2: around with the graph or even where you are in the.
Speaker 10: Graph does does the Beats studio prof So anyway, Well,
Speaker 10: now I have a question because one thing that will
Speaker 10: be a deal breaker regardless when it comes to work
Speaker 10: is does it have a flat profile with playback?
Speaker 4: I need. I can't have something that has high base,
Speaker 4: like can I adjust the eq if it's base heavy
Speaker 4: or low? Try?
Speaker 2: Like?
Speaker 3: Does it give you a flat profile?
Speaker 4: A flat profile is basically you know a blank canvas
Speaker 4: that you can then actually manipulate in.
Speaker 1: Where would you find that out? Would it be in
Speaker 1: MIDI set or what it would be?
Speaker 3: Because this thing would even come with.
Speaker 4: I'm gonna answer your question with the question, doesn't this
Speaker 4: thing come with its own app? I don't know, because
Speaker 4: if it did, it would be in the app settings
Speaker 4: that that you adjust eqs because I made the description,
Speaker 4: but I don't see anything that's talking about the sound
Speaker 4: profile unfortunately, And I know.
Speaker 1: That I would love to use my phone to check
Speaker 1: the app store being used as continuity camera? What is this, Mike?
Speaker 2: It doesn't understand what v of T is equal to
Speaker 2: T square plus five?
Speaker 1: Is basic stuff?
Speaker 2: Impressed?
Speaker 1: Come on? So anyway, everybody.
Speaker 2: Anything sold on headphones?
Speaker 4: No, no, no, I wouldn't be sold calculator.
Speaker 2: It's a classic episode.
Speaker 4: I won't buy anything that is heavy on a certain
Speaker 4: sound frequency because that kind of screws up the whole
Speaker 4: audio mixed portion of things, which is what I use
Speaker 4: headphones primarily for. If I'm not taking call, I mean
Speaker 4: calls like this is the secondary things like oh, since
Speaker 4: I'm here, I always throw these on and the AirPods
Speaker 4: were giving me issues anyway. But I listened to a
Speaker 4: flat profile on purpose because that gives you the most
Speaker 4: that's the most authentic playback that you can get. If
Speaker 4: something is heavy on the base, it might be heavier
Speaker 4: than what either the musician was intending, or even YouTube videos,
Speaker 4: then you hear like weird mudtlely noise happening. You don't
Speaker 4: like that. I don't like that.
Speaker 1: So I think that on Apple all of the settings
Speaker 1: in EQ is built into the settings app. There's an app,
Speaker 1: but it's only on Android, which makes me think that, Okay,
Speaker 1: there must be settings on iOS and they just build
Speaker 1: it in by default.
Speaker 2: Or they just don't exist, or they just don't exist.
Speaker 1: Unlikely. Why does beats make cases?
Speaker 2: Why not?
Speaker 1: But sorry, I think we went over we did.
Speaker 4: That's okay.
Speaker 2: I didn't even realize time flies when we're having fun
Speaker 2: talking about beats, headphones later beat to death.
Speaker 4: I'm glad we see on iPhone sixteen, Drew. I was
Speaker 4: expecting that, to be honest, but I am so disappointed
Speaker 4: that you are such a sellout. Now I can't I
Speaker 4: can't look at you the same.
Speaker 1: That's fair.
Speaker 4: I'm writing you out of my will now, like the
Speaker 4: whole thing, it's done.
Speaker 1: I understand.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and you deserve everything that comes to you when
Speaker 4: you get dragged about sponsorships.
Speaker 2: Gosh, I do. I will say as my last thing
Speaker 2: in which as one who enjoys Office three sixty five,
Speaker 2: I'm very proud of Microsoft to be bringing back the
Speaker 2: one time purchase.
Speaker 1: Hey, I think it's often does that happen.
Speaker 2: It's been like three or four years I think since
Speaker 2: the one time purchase has been around. I think it
Speaker 2: was twenty twenty one or something like that.
Speaker 1: But how much is it?
Speaker 6: Uh?
Speaker 1: PC World States eighty thousand dollars.
Speaker 2: Eighty thousand dollars. No, I think it's about if I
Speaker 2: recall in another articles, around forty to sixty No. One
Speaker 2: hundred and one hundred and forty. I'll get that metric
Speaker 2: on the next podcast. But I think it's around one
Speaker 2: hundred and forty four a one time two three the
Speaker 2: software packages.
Speaker 1: We're going to get to the bottom of this, but hey,
Speaker 1: a in an ocean of memberships. Here's a company offering
Speaker 1: one time purchases. Left is doing something good here.
Speaker 4: I would jump on this so bad do it?
Speaker 2: Office is great.
Speaker 4: I love it.
Speaker 2: The calculator app is angering me, but maybe I just
Speaker 2: don't understand how you use it. Excel is awesome, but.
Speaker 4: A one time purchase is the way to go. Logic
Speaker 4: final cut, and now Microsoft Office the best suite of
Speaker 4: office applications exactly.
Speaker 1: That's the best thing we should highlight of Apple being
Speaker 1: so distracted by intelligence is they haven't gotten around to
Speaker 1: turning all of their pro apps into memberships yet. We're okay,
Speaker 1: who now?
Speaker 4: Because I would really hate to have him to start
Speaker 4: to pirate things again. I mean, what, No, don't do that.
Speaker 4: That's illegal. Guys, don't do that. I don't do that.
Speaker 4: I said, don't do that. I would hate to do
Speaker 4: that because it's illegal and you shouldn't do that.
Speaker 2: But you said hate too, but you're gonna have no.
Speaker 4: I would hate to because it's wrong.
Speaker 1: Audio listeners are like Yeah.
Speaker 4: Video Randy's spin right now. It is like, yo, he's
Speaker 4: on fire. Those are bars right there. Everyone on YouTube
Speaker 4: drop a winky emoji at the end, so let me
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Speaker 1: Your We'll see you all on you tour, I mean
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