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Speaker 1: Since that time of year again where the Matthew Shepherd

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story is being retold, not the true story, but the story,

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the myth. It's important. It's funny because people admit it's

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a myth and then still say it's important that we

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tell the myth, and they accuse us of a false gospel,

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accuse Christians of that. So how does the Matthew Shepherd

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myth help same sex attracted people. We'll talk about this

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with the help of Bulwark Capital Management at Know Your

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Risk podcast dot com and with God Almighty.

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Speaker 2: The Todd Herman Show is one disapproved by big pharma

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technocrats and tyrants everywhere from the high mountains of Free America.

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Here's the Emerald City exime Todd Herman.

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Speaker 1: Today is the day the Lord has made in these

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the times through which God has decided we shall live.

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Where were you? Do you remember when you heard about

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what was done to Matthew Shepherd and how horrific it was.

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I remember hearing about it and just being beside myself

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with grief, and I still am. It's a very sad story.

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But this is from one of the media coverages of

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this have came from Vanity Fair on their site now

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they have their old print Meg and it's now an images.

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So there's an image, of course of a half necked girl.

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Nothing to do with me. That's just the image that

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came up. Sorry for that. The article is called the

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Crucifixion of Matthew Shepherd. It just gives you a look

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back into what Vanity Fair was and continues to be.

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The Crucifixion of Matthew Shepherd Melanie Melanie Thurnstrom, tied to

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a wooden fence, tortured, left to die, twenty one year

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old Matthew Shepard, a bright, sensitive freshman at the University

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of Wyoming, has become a national symbol of violence against gays.

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It's killers, Aaron McKinney and Russell Henderson, products of a

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grim world of drugs, alcohol, broken homes, and twisted dreams,

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have been charged with first degree murder, and the ton

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of Larimrie, home to all three stands, revealed as an

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American paradox, god fearing friendly place that harbors deep and

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lingering prejudice. Melanie Thurnstrom explores the hidden topography of a killing.

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I don't tell me. I could do an NPR voice

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over coming that was okay, I'd have to be a

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little bit more emotionless though. Yeah, it's horrific because he

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was killed for being the same sex attracted dude in

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a red neck land. That's the myth. Now, the reality

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is not any better. Doesn't make it a better killing.

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It can't be made better. It was murder, murder of

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a young guy, and yeah, it's true he had been

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in college at a time when we were putting together

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this show. This morning, God reminded me that we can

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look at this through the construct of NPR. Here I

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was joking about doing the NPR delivery. We can look

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at this through the construct of NPR. And incidentally, this

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miss still persists. I was just looking at this online

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and see that there are still people propagating this myth,

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and those tweets are getting retweeted, and the tiktoks are

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getting reticked and retalked. So, how does this help same

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sex attracted people? The advocate thinks this helps same sex

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attracted people. They admit that we'll get to that that

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they admit it's all a myth, but it's a really

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important myth. How does it help same sex attracted people

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to believe that if they go to Larrymie Wyoming, they're

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going to end up unalived because they are same sex attracted.

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How does that help healing? How does it help to

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ignore the other pathologies which incidentally, incidentally, and we're not

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supposed to say this, We're never supposed to say this.

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There's a lot of pathologies that often predate the arrival

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at being same sex attracted. There's the pathologies of today

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where young girls are being exposed to young men and

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boys who have grown up believing that part of the

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great joy of joining in sexual union is choking your

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partner out with both hands while she does things to

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you because women like that. And they're young girls whose

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first sexual experience involves being choked. What's wrong? What's wrong?

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I am same sex attracted. So these pathologies, why is

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it helpful to same sex attracted people to ignore that

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these pathologies are occurring, or to society, or to people

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who would otherwise be opposite sex attracted and fruitful and

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multiplying and following God's plan for marriage. Perhaps perhaps it

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can be same sex attracted and be way outside of

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and then being able to be fruitful in a marital

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union working in the design of God. So how does

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it help the Matthew Shepherd myth? How does it help

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same sex attracted people? Maybe Catherine Marr, the CEO of

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and PR, could help us with this In a second,

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friends that renew medical center in Portavard, New Mexico, are

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could they possibly do that because their World Health Care Center,

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best stem cell processing. It's based on donors. They know

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who the women are. They monitor their health, their baby's health.

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eighty ninety percent of the stem cells, so only the

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very best, making you that's one part of what they do.

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hyperbaric chamber and they're building a larger one. They make

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their own oxygen rather than buying it. So they can

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control all the outcomes. You know what else they're doing

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anti aging. They will tell you the biological age of

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and stem cells can in fact refresh your biological age.

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to be younger, go to renew ue dot Healthcare. They

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can't make you chronologically younger, but they can make us

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all biologically younger. It's renewed nue dot Healthcare. That stuff

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actually is sort of brain science. So this is NPR's

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Katherine mar You remember this, and it helps us frame

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up the Matthew Shepherd myth that continues to propagate this. Now,

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what is it twenty seven years? Twenty seven years after

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that young man met a really tragic ends.

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Speaker 3: One of the most significant differences critical from moving from

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polarization to productivity is that the wikipedians who write these

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articles aren't actually focused on finding the truth. They're working

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reverence for the truth might become might have become a

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bit of a distraction that is preventing us from finding

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consensus and getting important things done.

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the life. No one comes to the Father but through me.

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sitting forward and can she possibly defend that? And oh

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to say brave things, and yes, oh my gosh, she'd

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never thought of it that way. My mind is blown.

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guy who ran overstock dot Com because they were watching

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it happen a great proof of this, and he wrote

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he'd been investigating in Wikipedia from his small town in Utah,

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investigating it and documenting the pump and dump. He ended

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interviewed on CNBC about this, and then Wikipedia shut down

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access to Wikipedia for his entire town in Utah. It

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access Wikipedia because jud had written this article that they

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never came back and sued him for. They never said

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it wasn't true. So in a pursuit of truth, it's

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in the way of getting things done. So when we

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is provocative in of itself, he wasn't crucified. How does

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this serve same sex attracted people? There's the Matthew Shepherd

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Foundation and it is still communicating and they're very clever

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how they do this, the Matthew Shepherd Foundation, They're very clever.

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This is a video they put out. This is very clever.

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Watch very carefully, listened, very carefully.

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Speaker 4: The story of Matthew Shepherd didn't start in nineteen ninety eight. Matt,

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as we called him, was born on December first, nineteen

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seventy six, in Casper, Wyoming, living a pretty typical Wyoming life.

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love of languages, travel, politics, and a close network of

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friends from around the world, but his college career would

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eventually bring him back home to Wyoming.

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Speaker 5: On October seventh, nineteen ninety eight, Matt was brutally attacked,

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tied to a fence, and left to die five days later.

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Speaker 1: Kay the image says homophobia kills, what does the voiceoversay?

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Speaker 5: Passed away at age twenty one, His life and tragic

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death would forever change the way we talk about hate.

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Inspired by their personal tragedy, his parents, Judy and Dennis,

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founded the Matthew Shepherd Foundation to support LGBTQ plus youth,

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inadvertently becoming parental figures to thousands of queer people around

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the world while giving the community a voice that would

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truly change hearts and minds. Their commitment to erase hate

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led to over fourteen hundred appearances in twenty four countries,

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a collection of resources to support legacy work inspired by

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Matt's story, the country's first federal hate crimes legislation to

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Speaker 1: It's really clever because only the image says homophobia kills

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what happened, right? How is this helpful? I would really

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it sounds almost idyllic. He got to travel the worlds,

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he came back to his hometown to pursue college. What happened, Oh,

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he was just out at a bar and he happened

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to mention his same sex attracted and a couple of

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rednecks pulled him out of the bar and tied him

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to a fence posts and beat him and left him

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there to freeze to death. That's what happened. And nothing

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tragic that what happened happened. I reflect on this outside

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of the Matthew Shepherd affair, and I reflect on it

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in terms of in vitro fertilization and same sex attracted

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men purchasing babies, and I do mean purchasing them, and

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to reflect on the fact that if you track the

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outcomes of kids who grow up in same sex attracted

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parented homes to men to women, the outcomes are profoundly

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less advantageous good than kids who grow up in opposite

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sex attracted homes. Profoundly so. And you would think, I

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lives of same sex attracted people to say, hey, you

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those outcomes are statistically speaking, never as good as opposite

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sex attracted homes. I shouldn't say never, but statistically speaking

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far less likely to be happy. And you want them

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informed of that, because if you've ever been a parent,

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The pain your kids go through, it cuts you in

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unique ways. It harms you in unique ways. It can

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suck from you life, energy and unique ways. And I

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would think I would want to tell them that. And

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it's easy as a parent to look at dark times

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the changes, like in the case of our daughter. Dear God,

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thank you, Dear God, Thank you for giving my wife

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the diligence and the intelligence and the focus and the

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willings to sacrifice everything. Thank you for letting us see

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what happens when that when when we abide Gosh, just

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bless you, bless you. So those are great moments that

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everybody hopes to have, seeing your kid come into themselves.

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have to have the dark time. So wrapped up the

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same sex attracted men purchasing babies in bulk. That that's

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brave and it's stunning, and the kids are going to

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have good homes and no one's abusing that system. No one,

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for instance, is taking that system and abusing it to

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purchase kids to then use as sexual objects for themselves

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and for sale, when in fact that's happened probably fourteen

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times we know about. Some of it's very mechanical, as

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in purchasing I think six babies at once, with the

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design and the full purpose of doing that to them.

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How does it help same sex attracted people to not

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tell that part of the purchasing a baby's story? How

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does it help same sex attracted people to divorce things

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like sexual assault that can turn people towards same sex attraction,

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towards gender defiance, towards gender confusion. How does it help

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them to hide these pathologies to ought to refuse to

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offer them. Do you know sometimes this is a trauma response?

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Are you sure this is not a trauma response? Well,

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because this myth is so vitally important, as the advocate's

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about to explain, I'll show you here a tweet in

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a second that got a huge bit of circulation on

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the anniversary of the death or at least the discovery

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of Matthew Shepherd. Out there right back up to the

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Atlantic article with the softcore porn in it, and to

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me that's also fascinating. We have a sexual pathology that

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they're saying was responsible for Matthew Shepherd's death, and on

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the reverse page they're selling clothing with an anorexic looking

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sexually pathologized image. Vanity Fair can't see the side by

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side there. Apparently the love of money is the root

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of all sorts of evil, and yet it's money that

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we need to make it into retirement. My friend Zach Abraham,

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chief investment officer Bulwock Capital, knows what it is to

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have little He and his wife had They had many

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years ago. Decades ago, they lost their first house because

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he'd been working in investments, and of course the housing

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crisis came along and Zach tried to warn his employer.

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They ran into that buzzsaw so decades ago. They made

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the decision never again. When they built Bulwark Capital Management,

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God put in their hearts risk management is job number one.

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Now they actively manage every single portfolio which can reduce

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risk and volatility. And Zach at Bulwark, they have had

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twenty nine percent above the market this year. It happens

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that zach Is work are really really great at times

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of volatility. That's when they shine because they do fancy

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dan things. Yeah they're very sophisticated, but you know what

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they're doing right now, value investing. This is their top

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priority is value investing. So what does that mean? We'll

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if they can help you get to your retirement reality

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or if you just prefer to stay dreaming. And by

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the way, if you're in a good position, they're gonna

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twenty five. That's three three eight. This got tons and

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tons of action on social media. The Angry Ostrich twenty

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seventy years ago today, Matthew Shepherd died after being beaten, tortured,

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tied to a fence, and left for dead, all for

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being gay. Reports from those who found Matthew indicated that

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he had only two spots on his face not covered

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in blood, the trail of tears that ran from his

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eyes in memory Matthew Shepard, October twelve, nineteen ninety eight. Yeah,

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it's terrible, and the truth is terrible, and the myth

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is terrible. You shall not lie. You cannot bring Matthew

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sheperd back to life. Jesus conquered death. He brought himself

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back to life, conquered death. Those of us who accept

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Jesus christis or Savior, we speak it with our mouths,

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We confess them with our mouths. We agree to be

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changed by him. We signify this through baptism, and we

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take that first important step prior to all of that,

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or repenting of our sins, which involves true sorrow. Repent

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except Jesus signify through baptism are going to be changed.

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Then we conquer death through him. He does for us.

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The lies can't bring Matthew Shepherd back to life, and

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the truth can't. But the truth can do something the

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lies cannot. The truth can Pride check the organizations that

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make money from this myth, I said, pride check, not

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fact check. Why do they continue to tell the lie

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because they would have to come back and say, we're wrong.

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But we've been wrong so long that it's been insane.

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Thing to our advantage. I was watching a documentary a

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few years ago about guys who got caught in stolen

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valor pretending to have served in the military, or pretending

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to do ben in combat, you know, inflating the role

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they did play if they served. And they talked to

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this guy and said, and he had a house filled

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with military memorabilia, weapons, patches, pictures. He had gone to

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the extent of a searching through black and white military

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photos until he found a guy who looked a lot

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like him when he was young. And he'd gone to

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the extent of getting these pictures and getting them made

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into something that looked like old photos, and it looked

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like photographic paper. And he had these things or film

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had these on his wall in his office, and he

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had those back on a bookcase that he only showed

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his good friends. And they talked to him and said, like,

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you've been caught, You've been shamed. This is prior to

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their being a law against this. How did it start?

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And he said that he was out to dinner with

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a couple of friends and the waitress came along and said, hey,

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are either of you service members? We give a discount?

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He said, yeah, I served. Oh okay, where you go

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to should discount? And he didn't know these guys, well, oh,

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we're to serve, and the story began. So these are

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some colleagues from work and first time they really hung

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out together. Goes to work the next day, his boss

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come says, hey, I didn't know your vet. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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you know. I don't like I don't like talking about it.

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Oh okay, what we know we have a veterans program.

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Yet you know what, I don't like those things. You know,

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I did my job and it was my job, and

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they don't like any of that special recognition. So please

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don't do that. Just you know, thank you for telling me.

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Thank you, But we don't need to spread this around,

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went back to the guy, I said, hey, I really

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appreciate you guys saying that. It's just you know, I

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think people get too prideful of that, and it was

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it was a job, and you know, well what you do.

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And then it kind of got spread around a little

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bit more because people always so humble. Isn't want people

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to know. But the feelings he got from this validate

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him in ways that his job didn't. His job was

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not something that he thought was important. It was it

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was providing an income. So he started to mithbuild and

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it got to that point where he actually devoted himself

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to finding someone who served, who looked like him as

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a young guy, and putting this in a special place

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in his office where people would say, do you have

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any pictures if you're serving? Yeah, I really don't shield

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this around because you know it's but hey, it's come

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into my office, goes into his little dead there and

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there's there's the pictures and some medals. Wow wow wow wow.

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And all the while he knew I am lying, I'm

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going to get caught. He thought about moving to another

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area and starting over, but the myth was so important

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to him, and the myth of Matthew Shepherd has become

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so important to so many of these organizations and so

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important to believe because it puts you on the right side.

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We stand against the rednecks in Laramie, Wyoming who felt

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it was okay to go torture and kill a man

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because he was gay. We stand against that. That's what

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we stand against. I don't know what you stand for,

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but we stand for the freedom to go to Laramie,

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Wyoming is the same sex attracted man. And if you're

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not on our side, you're on the side of the

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people who took Matthew Shepherd and tied him to a

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fence and crucified him. That's hate. You stand with hate.

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We are erasing hate. You are writing it into the record.

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We are the good guys and you are the bad guys.

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And Matthew Shepherd was a college student on the way

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to a promising career. And these rednecks, these drug addicted,

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drug dealing rednecks. That's a powerful myth. So it happens

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that a gentleman decided to look into this story and

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he wrote a book. It took him about thirteen years

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to write this book. He was going to go back

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and write a screenplay. His name is Stephen Jimenez. The

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book is called The Book of matt It took him

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thirteen years. He had just intended to write a screenplay

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about the murder of a guy in Redneckville for the

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crime of being same sex attracted. So let's get into

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that a second. So this guy decided to look into

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the death. Stephen Jimenez said to look into the death

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of Matthew Shepherd, and Revolver dot News pointed you to

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this in their article. This month marks the twenty seventh

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anniversary of one of the most powerful us ssiops. So,

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writing in The Guardian about Matthew Shepherd's story, read this,

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but the Matthew Shepherd story is not yet finished. A

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new twist came last year with the publication of another book,

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this one by investigative journalist Stephen Amenez, who spent thirteen

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years interviewing more than one hundred people with a connection

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to the case. His conclusion, outlined in the Book of

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matt Hidden Truce about the murder of Matthew Shepherd, is

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that the grotesque murder was not a hate crime, but

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could instead be blamed on crystal meth, a drug that

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was flooding Denver and the surrounding areas at the time

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of Matthew's death. The new theory has understandably caused a

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lot of anger. He Menez faced a barrage of criticism

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since the publication of his book and has had readings

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to promote the book Boycotted. Hemenez claims, however, that many

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of his critics have not yet actually read it. The

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Advocate Americans Leading LGBT so called t LGB so called

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TA magazine published a piece last year entitled why I'm

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not reading the Trutherism about Matthew Shepherd. Amenez has been

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accused of being a revisionist, a criticism you should reserve

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for extreme right wing ideologues that deny the Holocaust, and

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labeled a homophobe in this thirteen years he spent investigating this,

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there is no sign that he was a right wing homophobe.

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There was no sign that he was right wing at all.

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He intended to make a screenplay about a tragedy. Back

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to The Guardian, Jimenez found that Matthew was addicted to

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in dealing crystal meth and a dabbled and heroin. He

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also took significant sexual risks and was being pimped alongside

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Aaron McKinney, one of his killers with whom he'd had

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occasional sexual encounters. He was HIV positive at the time

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of his death. This does not make the perfect poster

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boy for the gay rights movement sis Semonez, which is

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a big part of the reason why my book was

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so trashed Matthew's drug abuse in the fact that he

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knew one of his killers prior to the attack was

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never export in court. Neither was the rumor that the

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killers knew that he had access to a shipment of

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crystal meth with a street value of ten thousand dollars,

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which they wanted to steal. Matthew was born into an

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affluent family and had attended State College, a state school

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in Casper, Whoming. The twenty one year old political silence

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major at a major at Lermie University, stood only five

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to two inches tall in his blonde hair and braces

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and slight frame given him air vulnerability. Since in his

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junior year of high school, Matthew moved his family to

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Saudi Arabia. There were no American high schools in Saudi

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at the time, so he was sent to the American

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school in Switzerland. By the time he enrolled at Laramie,

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he spoke three languages had aspirations to be human rights advocate.

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Somewhere along the line, however, Matthew fell from being a

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Grade A student to a drug addicted prostitute who diced

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with danger. He suffered periods of depression, possibly as a

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result of being gang raped a few years earlier while

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on holiday in Morocco. Hmm, gosh, wasn't I asking earlier

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in the show what went wrong? That seemed idyllic? What

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went wrong? I would think being gang raped horrific. I

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would think it would feel as if Satan was pouring

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out wrath on you. I would think one might even

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be tempted to be ashamed, even though you never did anything.

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I would think Matthew Shepherd was haunted by that. I

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would think that's an important detail. I would have hoped

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that Matthew would have had the Lord to turn to.

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He did have the Lord, but maybe not the knowledge.

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He had money, affluence college, but didn't have the capacity

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to go to the Lord and to say, why me,

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why me? What am I to learn from this? Help

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me forgive, help me be cleansed. Though it wasn't my fault.

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He didn't have that. He had what a lot of

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people in twenty twenty five America have. He had people

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telling him brave and stunning, embrace who you are. Don't

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worry about how it came about, just be that. So

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Stephen Demanez was actually welcome to Bay Area Television, which

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is in seemed to me because Bayer Television is not

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a place I would think that this author could get

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a friendly heary, but he did. It went on un

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talked about his book. There's soul a lot to get to,

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such as the Advocate now effectively admitting Stephen the Menez

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is right, but the myth is so important. They sound

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a lot like Catherine Mayer. We'll get to that in

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a second. Stephen de Menez sat down in San Francisco

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Television and KPIX talking about the story of Matthew Shepherd's

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and writing of the book and what he discovered. This

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is a brief bit. There's a link to the full video,

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which is fascinating.

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Speaker 6: It was centered around the drug methamphetamine, which at the

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time really was not being reported on nationally. Remember this

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is fifteen years ago. In nineteen ninety eight, meth was

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already becoming a very big problem in Wyoming and in

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other states in the Midwest and the West, but it

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really wasn't being discussed. And at the very same time,

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it was also starting to become a serious problem in

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the gay community, in urban gay enclaves. And it wasn't

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until five six years after Matthew's murder that people really

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began to look seriously at this problem and the national

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media began to report on it.

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Speaker 7: Why did it take so long? Because I remember in

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nineteen ninety eight when he was killed, so viciously killed,

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he was left at a fence for what eighteen hours?

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He was tied to a fence, eighteen hours. He died

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five days later. We all remember that, and there was

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so much national media attention on this, and it was

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considered a hate crime. Why did we hear about drugs then?

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Speaker 6: Well, I think one reason, Michelle, is that very quickly

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all the records in the case were sealed by the

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court and all the witnesses were placed under a gag order,

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And that went on for one year from shortly after

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the crime until after the principal perpetrator, Aaron McKinney was

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convicted and sent away for two life sentences. It wasn't

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until after that time period, and that's when I went

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to Laramie that the records were really available, and by

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that point journalists thought the story was over.

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Speaker 1: He doesn't say because journalists were idiots. He doesn't say

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because they sent out to lie. He gives them grace.

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They didn't know, but they reported it like they knew

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because it should have been true. I mean Laramie, Wyoming.

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These are rednecks. Of course, they killed the guy because

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he's gay. They're rednecks. That's what rednecks do. They kill

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gay guys. When you're the national media and people like us.

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I live in North Idaho, people like us are foreign

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to you, it's easy to make these miss up or

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keep propagating him. This was propagated on October five of

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this year. This is a so called priest father Jim

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chic Sicco. Twenty six years ago tomorrow, Matthew Shepard was

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beaten and left for dead, tied to a fence and whaleming.

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The only part of his face not covered in blood.

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In blood was two white lines running down his cheeks

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from where his tears ran dry. Is death ignited a

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fight for equality. You don't have to be gay. To

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be a supporter, you just have to be human. Now,

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he doesn't say the so called priest, and I say

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so called because he appears to be a career liar.

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He doesn't say that Matthew Shepard was killed because he

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was gay, because he probably knows better. And that line

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about the two tiers, the only place not covered in

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blood was where his tears ran down. Maybe that's true.

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It's also an image they put out constantly and continue

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to pretend because he was same sex attracted. There is

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a podcast called silver Linings The Silver Lining Handbook podcasts

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of interesting conversations hosted by former New York Times reporter

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writer Jason Blair. Stop and think, Jason Blair. Jason Blair,

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does that name bring back any memories? It did for me.

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After I listened to this piece, I thought, ah, yeah,

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Jason Blair, this is from twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 8: It takes a while, because you know people, it's everything

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they do is a learned behavior pretty much, and everything

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trickles down from like our ancestors and how we were raised.

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That's how we're the people we are. If a parent

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is going to be homophobic, they're going to probably raise

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their kids homophobic, and those kids will raise their kids homophobic.

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So you know, there's a lot of deprogramming that needs

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to be done within people because of how they grew up.

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Speaker 1: Here's how they describe a podcasts at the Silver Linings Handbook,

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The brutal murder of Matthew Shepherd, a gay University of

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oilbing student, shocked America, the American Conscience and Mine. C

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aj Johnson, the host of Rainbow Crimes, joins me Tuesday

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to discuss that moment in covering crimes against those who

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are LGB so called T and Q. Jason Blair, I

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thought that name struck a bell. I went to the

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magic Google machine and even let an AI answer It's

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AI answer it for me. The Jason Blair controversy refers

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to the two thousand and three scandal where former New

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York Times reporter Jason Blair was exposed for journalistic fraud,

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including plagiarizing and fabricating stories. The scandal led to the

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resignation of two top editors, a major blow to the

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newspaper's credibility as if it had any, and prompted industry

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to ride changes in editorial standards and accountability. Well it

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didn't temporarily. He actually it was really good fiction. If

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you read Jason Blair articles like Wow, this guy's a

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great reporter. This almost like reading fiction that Chason Blair

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we had no problem doing it then and apparently has

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no problem doing it now. Remember Catherine Merris quote, our

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reverence for the truth gets in the way of getting

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things done. Here's the advocate writing, there are valuable reasons

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for telling certain stories in a certain way at a

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pivotal time, at pivotal times, but that doesn't mean we

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have to hold on to them once they've outlived their usefulness.

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In his book Flagrant Conduct, Dale Carpenter, professor at the

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University of Minnesota Law School, similarly unpicks the notorious case

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of Lawrence versus Texas, in which the arrest for two

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men having sex in their own bedroom became a vehicle

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for affirming the right of gay couples to have consensual

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sex and private except that the two men were not

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having sex, and we're not even a couple yet. This

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non story, carefully edited and taken all the way to

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Supreme Court, changed America in different ways. The shepherds story

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We've come to embrace was just as necessary for shape

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the history of gay rights is Lawrence versus Texas that

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galvanized the generation of LGB so called T youth, and

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stung lawmakers into action. President Obama, who signed the Hate

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Crimes Prevention Act, named for Shepherd and James Byrd Junior,

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into law in October twenty eight, two thousand and nine,

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credited Judy Shepherd for making him quote passionate about LGB

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so called T equality. There are obvious reasons why advocates

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of hate crime legislation must want to preserve one particular

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version of the Matthew Shepard story, but it was always

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just that a version. Jimenez's version is another. An article

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goes on to say, were well researched sounds a lot

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like Catherine Maryer. Jesus Christ said, I am the Way,

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the Truth in the life. No one comes to the Father,

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but through me we cannot get anything done, anything that

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matters in an eternal sense without Jesus, without being attached

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to the mind. He is the truth, the way in

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the life, the way, the truth and the life. Our

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reverence for the truth is reverence for God. You should

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not lie lies of convenience, lies to cover lies that

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are embarrassing lies to cover things that you are doing

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to yourself. I'm not really addicted to drugs. I just

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dabble or lies about Matthew Shepherd. They don't help you,

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and the lies about Matthew Shepherd do not help the

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community of same sex attracted people. This is the Todd Hermanshaw.

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Please go, be well, be strong, be kind, Please make

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every effort to walk in the light of Christ. And

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I hope you're cooking up a good weekend with your

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beloved family like I hope to be cooking up with mine.