WEBVTT 1 00:00:12.880 --> 00:00:16.519 Welcome to Here's to Your Health with Joshua Lane. Here's 2 00:00:16.559 --> 00:00:19.719 to Your Health discusses the current thinking and wellness, bringing 3 00:00:19.800 --> 00:00:23.640 you the most influential thinkers in beauty, fitness, and longevity. 4 00:00:24.039 --> 00:00:26.320 Your host, Joshua Lane, was part of the doctor An 5 00:00:26.519 --> 00:00:29.879 Wigmore team that helped bring wheat, grass sprouts and raw 6 00:00:29.960 --> 00:00:33.280 foods to a worldwide audience and now the host of 7 00:00:33.359 --> 00:00:35.600 Here's to Your Health. Joshua Lane. 8 00:00:37.079 --> 00:00:39.880 Welcome to this edition of Here's to Your Health. I'm 9 00:00:39.920 --> 00:00:45.119 your host, josh Lane. My guest is Becky McLain. Becky 10 00:00:45.200 --> 00:00:48.039 McLain has been a guest of the show before and 11 00:00:48.159 --> 00:00:53.200 Becky McLain is a scientist and wrote a book called Exposed. 12 00:00:54.039 --> 00:00:59.000 A Phiso scientist battles corruption, lies and betrayal and becomes 13 00:00:59.000 --> 00:01:02.600 a biohazard with Blower and when the case was finally 14 00:01:02.600 --> 00:01:07.079 settled in twenty ten, Becky McClain was the first. It's 15 00:01:07.079 --> 00:01:09.640 a pleasure to have Becky McLain on the show. I 16 00:01:09.680 --> 00:01:14.200 also want to mention that her book Exposed forwards by 17 00:01:14.280 --> 00:01:17.480 Ralph Nader, which in my opinion, is important. Ral Nader 18 00:01:17.519 --> 00:01:20.079 has an excellent track record when it comes to let's 19 00:01:20.120 --> 00:01:23.519 use the word consumer protection and the book is published 20 00:01:23.519 --> 00:01:27.280 by sky Horse Publishing, which is an excellent publishing house 21 00:01:27.760 --> 00:01:33.560 for many important ideas about wellness and the environment. Becky McLain, 22 00:01:33.640 --> 00:01:34.439 welcome to the show. 23 00:01:35.159 --> 00:01:38.680 Thank you, Joshua. I appreciate the return visit here. 24 00:01:39.120 --> 00:01:42.640 Yes, yeah, this way you get a chance to expand 25 00:01:43.239 --> 00:01:47.760 on what has occurred and what is actually ongoing right 26 00:01:47.799 --> 00:01:50.439 now and your role in it. So if I can 27 00:01:50.599 --> 00:01:52.959 ask you to please give us your history. So in 28 00:01:53.000 --> 00:01:56.040 other words, you, as you know, twenty five years ago 29 00:01:56.400 --> 00:02:01.159 you were working for Pfizer at their important base in Connecticut. 30 00:02:01.239 --> 00:02:05.040 When when much of this difficulty and this journey for 31 00:02:05.120 --> 00:02:06.319 you began. Is that correct? 32 00:02:06.879 --> 00:02:09.199 That's correct. At the time I. 33 00:02:10.680 --> 00:02:16.080 Ran into problems, I was an experienced molecular biologist of 34 00:02:16.120 --> 00:02:17.080 seventeen years, so. 35 00:02:17.039 --> 00:02:18.599 I had a lot of. 36 00:02:20.080 --> 00:02:23.840 Good safety protocols, you know, I was. I had been 37 00:02:23.840 --> 00:02:26.919 in the field for a long time. And it started 38 00:02:26.919 --> 00:02:29.919 on my first day of working in an embryonic stem 39 00:02:30.039 --> 00:02:35.599 cell laboratory. And when I stepped outside my lab to 40 00:02:37.080 --> 00:02:42.080 find a brake room, I asked an employee, where's the breakroom? 41 00:02:42.280 --> 00:02:46.599 And there was no break room. They were eating and 42 00:02:46.719 --> 00:02:53.159 drinking in a working hallway with refrigerators and freezers that 43 00:02:53.280 --> 00:03:01.159 contained pathogens, biological agents and very unsafe environ So that's 44 00:03:01.199 --> 00:03:06.479 how the story begins. And as you know, a break 45 00:03:06.599 --> 00:03:12.719 room with a separated door has been a standard procedure, 46 00:03:12.800 --> 00:03:16.599 safety procedure for decades. So here I am at Pfiser, 47 00:03:16.759 --> 00:03:20.360 the largest pharmaceutical company in the world, and they are 48 00:03:20.360 --> 00:03:24.919 not taking safety seriously. So that's how the story begins, 49 00:03:24.919 --> 00:03:26.159 and then it becomes. 50 00:03:26.400 --> 00:03:27.080 A lot worse. 51 00:03:27.599 --> 00:03:27.800 Right. 52 00:03:28.439 --> 00:03:33.120 Our guest is Becky McLain, former scientist at Pfeiser, althor 53 00:03:33.159 --> 00:03:36.879 of the book Exposed Forward by Ralph Nader, published by 54 00:03:36.879 --> 00:03:40.280 Skyhorse Publishing. Now, Becky, in reading your book, I saw 55 00:03:40.400 --> 00:03:42.759 that you know right away you mentioned there was these difficulties. 56 00:03:43.039 --> 00:03:45.479 And again you were at Pfiser out there I guess, 57 00:03:45.479 --> 00:03:49.560 important campus in Connecticut, and you mentioned this in the book. 58 00:03:49.599 --> 00:03:52.199 You mentioned it to other scientists working with you, and 59 00:03:52.199 --> 00:03:54.000 you all said the same thing. You said, Oh yeah, Becky, 60 00:03:54.039 --> 00:03:56.199 this is really you know, this is a bead and 61 00:03:56.280 --> 00:04:00.520 everyone and everyone was unhappy. Everyone seemed very un happy 62 00:04:01.120 --> 00:04:06.080 right away, and your supervisors also pretended to be unhappy. 63 00:04:07.719 --> 00:04:10.039 But yet you said when you when you had it 64 00:04:10.319 --> 00:04:12.439 written up, that they wouldn't write it up as a 65 00:04:12.479 --> 00:04:15.039 safety hazard. How did they write it up? 66 00:04:17.000 --> 00:04:25.360 Well, we first brought these issues forward, and I brought 67 00:04:25.360 --> 00:04:29.040 them forward in a safety committee, and they silenced the 68 00:04:29.079 --> 00:04:36.199 safety committee and instead told my supervisor that he had 69 00:04:36.240 --> 00:04:40.480 to take care of these safety issues by by presenting 70 00:04:40.519 --> 00:04:43.439 them through a building committee. So they're trying to hide 71 00:04:43.879 --> 00:04:47.680 the safety problems by instead of bringing them forward to 72 00:04:47.680 --> 00:04:50.279 the safety committee where we could document them. 73 00:04:50.680 --> 00:04:54.279 Uh. He was told to start this building. 74 00:04:53.879 --> 00:04:57.680 Committee and when we did that, the first the building 75 00:04:57.680 --> 00:05:00.079 committee was to try to try to see if we 76 00:05:00.000 --> 00:05:05.439 we could redesign our department. But Pfizer wanted to know 77 00:05:05.519 --> 00:05:08.480 the cost of all this before they even addressed the 78 00:05:08.519 --> 00:05:15.199 safety committee, so they sew the safety issues. So when 79 00:05:15.240 --> 00:05:17.800 we had our first meeting, finally after three or four 80 00:05:17.839 --> 00:05:21.959 months with the building committee, it all came to a 81 00:05:22.079 --> 00:05:27.120 point of talking about safety. And when we again put 82 00:05:27.120 --> 00:05:29.759 this forward to management, they shut. 83 00:05:29.519 --> 00:05:30.160 It down again. 84 00:05:30.519 --> 00:05:34.560 So they don't want any documentation about safety problems in 85 00:05:34.639 --> 00:05:38.079 biohazard labs. This is not an academic lab. 86 00:05:38.120 --> 00:05:38.399 I want. 87 00:05:38.399 --> 00:05:42.000 I want people to understand the clarification of this. We 88 00:05:42.079 --> 00:05:46.399 have three different labs in the United States, government labs, 89 00:05:46.480 --> 00:05:50.800 academia labs, and private labs. This is and each of 90 00:05:50.839 --> 00:05:54.800 them why they're different. Although they're using the same technologies, 91 00:05:54.800 --> 00:05:59.199 the same biohazard technology is the same, genetically engineered agents 92 00:05:59.240 --> 00:06:05.120 and everything, these three labs are regulated differently. Now why 93 00:06:05.199 --> 00:06:08.519 that is, it's you know, that's a question. 94 00:06:09.879 --> 00:06:11.959 For someone to explain. 95 00:06:12.519 --> 00:06:16.040 But I would say the private labs have less regulation 96 00:06:16.240 --> 00:06:18.759 than any of the labs as far as I as. 97 00:06:18.639 --> 00:06:19.600 I know, and. 98 00:06:21.399 --> 00:06:25.199 So that's an issue they can get away with a 99 00:06:25.240 --> 00:06:27.040 lot more in private labs. 100 00:06:27.959 --> 00:06:32.079 Our guest is Becky McLain. Becky McLain, a former scientist 101 00:06:32.079 --> 00:06:36.240 at Pfizer, author of a great book called Exposed Forward 102 00:06:36.319 --> 00:06:40.600 by Ralph Nader published by sky Is Publishing now. Ms McLain, 103 00:06:41.120 --> 00:06:44.800 I'm just like to venture the guests that the people 104 00:06:44.800 --> 00:06:48.480 that were employed at Pfizer were among the best educated 105 00:06:48.680 --> 00:06:52.040 from the best universities in the United States and probably 106 00:06:52.040 --> 00:06:55.120 Europe and the world. Am I correct in thinking that? 107 00:06:57.720 --> 00:06:57.959 Well? 108 00:06:58.040 --> 00:07:00.759 My experience, I have worked in that academia and I 109 00:07:00.800 --> 00:07:03.639 have worked in corporate science. 110 00:07:05.319 --> 00:07:07.720 My experience, and it's to me it. 111 00:07:07.800 --> 00:07:13.920 Is just straightforward that academia definitely has better scientists, better 112 00:07:13.959 --> 00:07:16.839 well trained scientists. 113 00:07:17.839 --> 00:07:21.199 That was obvious to me going into private industry. They 114 00:07:21.240 --> 00:07:21.759 do have. 115 00:07:23.000 --> 00:07:26.160 You know, there were six thousand scientists or six thousand 116 00:07:26.199 --> 00:07:31.720 people working in the biolab in Groton, Connecticut, but they 117 00:07:31.759 --> 00:07:36.519 weren't as well trained. They had different pressures on them. 118 00:07:37.079 --> 00:07:42.759 The academia wants to publish and fives of scientists want 119 00:07:42.839 --> 00:07:45.360 to make inventions that can make money. It's more of 120 00:07:45.399 --> 00:07:50.399 a market instead of a you know, a healthcare trying 121 00:07:50.399 --> 00:07:52.920 to help focus on healthcare. It's more of a how 122 00:07:52.959 --> 00:07:58.079 do you focus on marketing our markets within the healthcare system. 123 00:07:58.519 --> 00:07:59.920 So no, I could. 124 00:07:59.680 --> 00:08:05.399 Obvious say that academia has much better scientists than corporate. 125 00:08:05.680 --> 00:08:11.319 All right, so, miss McLain, six thousand people at a campus, 126 00:08:11.600 --> 00:08:15.040 which is a very lovely term. Obviously, this is a 127 00:08:15.079 --> 00:08:19.240 major economic force in the state of Connecticut, and I'm 128 00:08:19.240 --> 00:08:21.759 guessing they have a lot of clout. And I'm also 129 00:08:21.800 --> 00:08:25.759 guessing that the scientists working with you there at the 130 00:08:25.800 --> 00:08:29.680 Pfizer Lab in Connecticut or campus in Connecticut were obviously 131 00:08:30.079 --> 00:08:33.879 being very well paid, and they had career paths they 132 00:08:33.879 --> 00:08:38.039 were searching for remaining true to and they must have 133 00:08:38.159 --> 00:08:40.720 realized as you did, that if you make too much 134 00:08:40.759 --> 00:08:45.120 trouble that they fire you or black bail you or 135 00:08:45.919 --> 00:08:48.960 you simply fall away from your career. So that must 136 00:08:48.960 --> 00:08:50.559 have been a real pressure for you and the others. 137 00:08:51.080 --> 00:08:53.279 Because early in your book you mentioned you're chatting with 138 00:08:53.360 --> 00:08:56.519 another scientist and she said, oh, yeah, she eats outside here, 139 00:08:56.639 --> 00:08:58.799 and you was talking about problems with I think she 140 00:08:58.840 --> 00:09:01.519 mentioned the first day on her there was a unopen 141 00:09:01.559 --> 00:09:05.360 tube or something. And so this seems like such an 142 00:09:05.399 --> 00:09:09.240 egregious error on the part of management at Pfizer. And 143 00:09:09.279 --> 00:09:13.039 I guess every scientist and every person working on the campus, 144 00:09:13.399 --> 00:09:16.039 not every person, but the scientists in your department was 145 00:09:16.080 --> 00:09:20.559 certainly exposed to dangerous materials every day, and there was 146 00:09:20.600 --> 00:09:23.799 no safety protocols. Well, they were terribly inadequate, and especially 147 00:09:23.840 --> 00:09:28.039 Pfiser being you know, a major player in the United States. 148 00:09:28.519 --> 00:09:31.759 That's right, yes, And I just want to clarify that 149 00:09:32.039 --> 00:09:35.679 the lady that found the test tube, she found it 150 00:09:35.720 --> 00:09:40.480 in a Coca Cola can. She was drinking and in 151 00:09:40.519 --> 00:09:42.960 the hallway, which is not a breakroom, but it was 152 00:09:43.000 --> 00:09:45.399 our only breakroom we had. It wasn't a fit, it 153 00:09:45.480 --> 00:09:49.600 wasn't a safe breakroom, and she found a test tube 154 00:09:49.639 --> 00:09:51.159 at the bottom of her coca cola. 155 00:09:51.240 --> 00:09:52.159 That's how unsafe. 156 00:09:52.200 --> 00:09:57.440 It It was the reason why Peiser is behaving like 157 00:09:57.519 --> 00:10:01.039 this because they claim that they don't have to be safe, 158 00:10:01.080 --> 00:10:04.480 they only have to be legal. Now if that concept, 159 00:10:04.679 --> 00:10:06.240 they don't have to be safe, they just have to 160 00:10:06.279 --> 00:10:11.639 be legal. You know, biotechnologies are advancing, you know daily, 161 00:10:11.919 --> 00:10:15.559 So if you have a regulatory or laws that govern 162 00:10:15.639 --> 00:10:20.279 biotechnology today, tomorrow they might be out of out of 163 00:10:20.360 --> 00:10:22.759 date because of the advances. So you really have to 164 00:10:22.840 --> 00:10:27.480 have corporations and scientists that have integrity regarding safety. 165 00:10:27.919 --> 00:10:28.720 You have to. 166 00:10:29.120 --> 00:10:35.840 Run your lab safely and not necessarily what just as legal. 167 00:10:35.919 --> 00:10:39.759 But you know PISO is all about money and that's 168 00:10:39.759 --> 00:10:43.440 how they run their business, and so that's a problem both. 169 00:10:43.240 --> 00:10:45.879 For workers and for the public health. 170 00:10:45.960 --> 00:10:49.399 These biotechnologies that are being used can harm the public 171 00:10:49.759 --> 00:10:52.000 if they are released into the environment. 172 00:10:52.240 --> 00:10:55.399 Miss mclan, you mentioned in the book that you were 173 00:10:55.600 --> 00:11:00.000 asked to participate in a quote comedy video or somehow 174 00:11:00.080 --> 00:11:04.399 light hearted video about some of the safety problems and 175 00:11:04.440 --> 00:11:07.000 how you did not wish to participate, and none of 176 00:11:07.000 --> 00:11:09.840 the other scientists wished to participate, but I guess everyone 177 00:11:09.960 --> 00:11:14.559 was kind of coerced into being involved with that film. 178 00:11:15.039 --> 00:11:18.559 And how did that eventually play out with that film. 179 00:11:20.320 --> 00:11:23.799 Well, initially it was a new director that came in 180 00:11:23.840 --> 00:11:26.320 from England and he. 181 00:11:26.399 --> 00:11:28.799 Asked us for our cooperation. They were going to make 182 00:11:28.840 --> 00:11:31.080 some sort of video. So when they came into our 183 00:11:31.120 --> 00:11:34.639 embryonic stem cell lab, the person that was filming the 184 00:11:34.720 --> 00:11:38.000 video and trying to and she wanted us to show 185 00:11:38.279 --> 00:11:42.000 violations of safety protocol like eating in the lab and 186 00:11:42.200 --> 00:11:47.600 without our lab coats and safety glasses, etc. And I 187 00:11:47.600 --> 00:11:50.679 immediately thought, what's going on here. I don't want to 188 00:11:50.720 --> 00:11:51.600 be filmed doing this. 189 00:11:51.960 --> 00:11:54.039 It's a serious issue. And by that time. 190 00:11:54.399 --> 00:11:57.320 We had already and I had already promoted safety in 191 00:11:57.360 --> 00:12:00.799 front of management, like there's major problems. So why they 192 00:12:00.840 --> 00:12:03.840 wanted us to do this was beyond our imagination, you know. 193 00:12:04.360 --> 00:12:08.639 So we tried to ask them what for and they 194 00:12:08.679 --> 00:12:13.200 were not being very specific, and then finally she made 195 00:12:13.200 --> 00:12:16.159 a hint that this might be a safety video where 196 00:12:16.200 --> 00:12:21.399 you where you first show what's improper and then you 197 00:12:21.480 --> 00:12:26.000 show what's proper. So we thought maybe that's what she 198 00:12:26.200 --> 00:12:29.120 was trying to do, that's what's indicative of what she 199 00:12:29.440 --> 00:12:34.399 was trying to trying to film. Well, they released the 200 00:12:34.480 --> 00:12:37.399 film at a Christmas party of all things. We were 201 00:12:37.440 --> 00:12:44.240 shocked and instead of promoting safety, they were mocking safety advisor. 202 00:12:44.360 --> 00:12:46.080 It was supposed to be a. 203 00:12:46.080 --> 00:12:51.159 Joke about how you know safety is a joke advisor. 204 00:12:51.759 --> 00:12:54.759 So we were all appalled. I mean, we wanted to 205 00:12:54.759 --> 00:12:56.399 crawl underneath the table. 206 00:12:56.399 --> 00:13:02.759 Because safety is These are serious issues. 207 00:13:02.799 --> 00:13:05.399 As I told you, they're worker safety issues and their 208 00:13:05.399 --> 00:13:10.159 public health safety issues, especially after experiencing COVID. I think 209 00:13:10.159 --> 00:13:15.360 the public should realize that these issues are very very 210 00:13:15.399 --> 00:13:16.320 serious issues. 211 00:13:16.480 --> 00:13:18.960 And when you were working at Peiser. By the way, 212 00:13:18.960 --> 00:13:21.759 I just juncture. Our guest is Becky McLain, who's the 213 00:13:21.759 --> 00:13:25.039 author of the book called Exposed. Becky is a former 214 00:13:25.080 --> 00:13:29.320 scientist at Pfizer who won the first the important whistleblow 215 00:13:29.720 --> 00:13:33.600 lawsuits and won it in twenty ten. So miss McLain 216 00:13:33.639 --> 00:13:37.159 has been involved with this problem for you know, twenty 217 00:13:37.159 --> 00:13:40.600 five years. Quite frankly, miss McClain. By the way, where 218 00:13:40.600 --> 00:13:43.080 did you receive their undergraduate and graduate degrees? 219 00:13:43.399 --> 00:13:48.200 Indiana University my undergraduate degree in biology and the University 220 00:13:48.200 --> 00:13:51.679 of Texas School of Public Health a master's degree, master 221 00:13:51.759 --> 00:13:53.080 of a science degree. 222 00:13:53.600 --> 00:13:58.799 Now, when you are so unhappy with the safety protocols, 223 00:13:59.279 --> 00:14:05.120 and I guess management obviously saw you as trouble, your trouble, 224 00:14:05.480 --> 00:14:08.440 and you not only you, but probably you know large 225 00:14:08.519 --> 00:14:10.159 numbers of the staff, but you seem to be the 226 00:14:10.200 --> 00:14:17.799 point person. What happened next in the timeline. 227 00:14:15.600 --> 00:14:22.440 Uh, well, I continued to complain about safety because of 228 00:14:22.480 --> 00:14:25.240 the public health threat and the worker safety threat, and 229 00:14:25.279 --> 00:14:28.279 I was warned several times, by at least three times 230 00:14:28.279 --> 00:14:30.919 by my supervisor that it's not going to go well 231 00:14:31.000 --> 00:14:33.799 if I continue this. 232 00:14:35.399 --> 00:14:41.639 Documenting safety issues. And eventually it became hostile. I was 233 00:14:42.279 --> 00:14:44.720 put up against the wall with threats. 234 00:14:46.159 --> 00:14:47.879 What kind of threats? Can I ask? What kind of 235 00:14:48.039 --> 00:14:51.279 I mean? Obviously I guess they're threats of employment. After all, 236 00:14:51.279 --> 00:14:55.120 you have a great job at a powerful corporation. And 237 00:14:55.200 --> 00:14:57.840 I guess if they decide, well, no, this, this person 238 00:14:58.000 --> 00:15:00.960 is not good advisor, that it's very in your career, 239 00:15:00.960 --> 00:15:01.919 you never work again. 240 00:15:03.039 --> 00:15:05.879 Oh for sure, I did never work again after all that, 241 00:15:05.960 --> 00:15:11.039 And people knew that that you can be blacklisted and 242 00:15:11.200 --> 00:15:14.480 you cannot be able to get another job after that. 243 00:15:14.960 --> 00:15:19.519 But even up above that, what happened during the retaliation 244 00:15:19.679 --> 00:15:25.600 of hostility intimidation. Then they exposed me to a genetically 245 00:15:25.600 --> 00:15:27.159 engineered virus and at the. 246 00:15:27.440 --> 00:15:31.080 Time, I can't really say that I think that. 247 00:15:33.200 --> 00:15:36.720 The person that who was my supervisor, who put me 248 00:15:36.799 --> 00:15:39.279 up against the wall and was using hostility against me, 249 00:15:39.679 --> 00:15:44.159 did direct a dangerous experiment without a bio containment hood 250 00:15:44.960 --> 00:15:47.879 right next to my office, open space office, on my 251 00:15:48.080 --> 00:15:51.919 private bench. Now that's bizarre because most in science and 252 00:15:51.960 --> 00:15:54.840 molecular biology, we have our own private bench so we 253 00:15:54.879 --> 00:15:57.679 can control our own safety. We don't want someone just 254 00:15:57.720 --> 00:16:01.759 walking in and placing a genetic engineered virus because they're invisible. 255 00:16:01.799 --> 00:16:02.200 You don't know. 256 00:16:02.360 --> 00:16:06.799 You know, a safe experiment looks like like the same 257 00:16:06.840 --> 00:16:08.080 as a dangerous experiment. 258 00:16:08.120 --> 00:16:09.840 You just don't know because it's invisible. 259 00:16:10.399 --> 00:16:13.720 So I really can't make a statement like that, although 260 00:16:13.759 --> 00:16:17.639 I can say he was educated enough that he should 261 00:16:17.679 --> 00:16:21.919 have known that this was a very dangerous virus that 262 00:16:21.960 --> 00:16:23.200 should have been bio contained. 263 00:16:23.440 --> 00:16:27.600 Right, and then after that occurred and you observed this, 264 00:16:28.759 --> 00:16:33.639 what's the timeline what happened? Then observed observe that he 265 00:16:33.759 --> 00:16:36.879 was doing a dangerous experiment in your work space. 266 00:16:36.799 --> 00:16:39.879 Because I was not told that a genetically engineered virus, 267 00:16:40.159 --> 00:16:44.279 infectious human infectious agent was coming into our lab, which 268 00:16:44.320 --> 00:16:47.799 is normal, would be normal protocol when we expect. We 269 00:16:47.840 --> 00:16:51.000 have weekly meetings, so we discussed what we're doing in 270 00:16:51.039 --> 00:16:51.519 the meeting. 271 00:16:51.919 --> 00:16:53.279 I was not told all. 272 00:16:53.840 --> 00:16:58.279 All I uh witness was the sloppy experiment all over 273 00:16:58.399 --> 00:17:01.720 my personal labs space. I just thought it was a 274 00:17:01.759 --> 00:17:06.160 normal embryonic stem cell experiment without genetically engineered viruses. 275 00:17:06.240 --> 00:17:08.880 I didn't know what they were doing, but. 276 00:17:08.759 --> 00:17:13.039 The retaliation at the time was so intense. I mean 277 00:17:13.160 --> 00:17:16.880 I was I couldn't even hardly interact. 278 00:17:16.400 --> 00:17:18.799 With my supervisor. Remember, it was hostile, and. 279 00:17:18.799 --> 00:17:22.279 I still they would not switch me to a different supervisor. 280 00:17:22.400 --> 00:17:25.599 So I'm working with this man who's put me up 281 00:17:25.599 --> 00:17:30.480 against the wall. He's giving me false performance reviews. Within 282 00:17:30.519 --> 00:17:33.400 forty eight hours, I became ill from the exposure, but 283 00:17:33.440 --> 00:17:35.319 I couldn't I didn't correlate it because I had no 284 00:17:35.400 --> 00:17:40.119 idea it was an infectious agent. A month later, after 285 00:17:40.160 --> 00:17:42.359 I've already been going to the doctor, now, like what's 286 00:17:42.400 --> 00:17:43.480 going on with me? 287 00:17:44.440 --> 00:17:45.519 A co worker. 288 00:17:47.119 --> 00:17:52.000 Told me that he was directed to use this lint 289 00:17:52.000 --> 00:17:53.920 of virus on my personal workbench. 290 00:17:54.119 --> 00:17:57.920 And I said, ALNA virus. What I had never been told. 291 00:17:57.960 --> 00:17:59.440 So then. 292 00:18:00.799 --> 00:18:04.240 I asked him to please check to make sure that 293 00:18:04.279 --> 00:18:08.119 there was no dangerous, infectious human infectious agents in that experiment, 294 00:18:08.920 --> 00:18:13.799 and he came back the next day very nervous and said, 295 00:18:13.839 --> 00:18:15.440 oh oh no, I checked it was safe. 296 00:18:15.759 --> 00:18:19.240 So I just assumed that, you know, it was safe. 297 00:18:19.240 --> 00:18:22.319 And I had another health issue, some other health issue. Well, 298 00:18:22.319 --> 00:18:27.960 my health started really slowly but surely becoming very, very 299 00:18:29.240 --> 00:18:36.000 painful and mysterious. And eventually when I had to go 300 00:18:36.079 --> 00:18:40.000 on medical leave during all this retaliation too, because I 301 00:18:40.039 --> 00:18:41.880 had to undergo his spinal. 302 00:18:41.480 --> 00:18:44.200 Taps and horrible, horrible things. 303 00:18:44.200 --> 00:18:48.400 To try to figure out what's going on, a doctor 304 00:18:49.960 --> 00:18:55.160 I found some doctors notes that indicated and he stated 305 00:18:55.400 --> 00:18:59.759 that I had been exposed somehow to a virus. 306 00:19:00.799 --> 00:19:03.880 Uh. And he was thinking a virus from the outside, 307 00:19:03.920 --> 00:19:06.839 not a virus from inside a lab, right, because I. 308 00:19:06.920 --> 00:19:11.079 Never told him, Okay, because I didn't know. So once 309 00:19:11.160 --> 00:19:14.039 I saw that that I was exposed to a virus, 310 00:19:14.039 --> 00:19:17.480 my blood work indicated that I had a viral. 311 00:19:18.200 --> 00:19:19.160 I went back to Pfiser. 312 00:19:19.240 --> 00:19:21.480 I said, hold on, I want to know exactly what 313 00:19:21.519 --> 00:19:25.480 you expose, what this lentivirus experiment was so and then 314 00:19:25.559 --> 00:19:30.160 Piser said, no trade secret supersedes my right. I'm not 315 00:19:30.160 --> 00:19:33.920 going to give you that information. So that became became 316 00:19:34.000 --> 00:19:38.160 another battle trying to get my exposure records for my 317 00:19:38.279 --> 00:19:44.039 health care. Eventually it was disclosed, but that they did 318 00:19:44.119 --> 00:19:47.440 use a human infectious agent, a lent of virus HIV 319 00:19:47.559 --> 00:19:51.240 derived lentavirus on my bench without bio containment that could 320 00:19:51.400 --> 00:19:55.240 infect that It was genetically engineered with a type of 321 00:19:55.279 --> 00:20:00.960 gain of function that made the HIV virus not only 322 00:20:01.480 --> 00:20:01.839 able to. 323 00:20:01.799 --> 00:20:03.319 Affect blood the blood, which. 324 00:20:03.119 --> 00:20:06.880 Normally it does, but now if you touched it, if 325 00:20:06.920 --> 00:20:09.799 you breathed it in, if you've rubbed your eyes, if 326 00:20:09.839 --> 00:20:13.680 you swallowed it, you would become infected with this genetically 327 00:20:14.279 --> 00:20:16.559 engineered novel lentavirus. 328 00:20:18.039 --> 00:20:22.160 Okay, this is all quite frankly scary. 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Fiser Scientist 368 00:22:37.480 --> 00:22:42.279 battles corruption, lies and betrayal and becomes a biohazard whistleblower. 369 00:22:42.319 --> 00:22:46.319 Becky McClain's book excellent book called Exposed, forward by Ralph Nader, 370 00:22:46.359 --> 00:22:49.400 published by Scars Publishing. Now, Miss McLain, at this point, 371 00:22:49.880 --> 00:22:53.319 obviously you and your husband must have thought, okay, this 372 00:22:53.400 --> 00:22:55.759 is you know, this is very bad, and it must 373 00:22:55.799 --> 00:22:57.759 have been very upsetting twenty four hours a day to 374 00:22:57.799 --> 00:23:01.200 be fighting as an individual scientist up against a major 375 00:23:01.240 --> 00:23:05.799 corporation like Pfizer. Now with the information that indeed you 376 00:23:05.839 --> 00:23:08.920 had become infected with an infectious agent that may have 377 00:23:08.920 --> 00:23:12.200 been purposely put there, were sloppily put there, and your 378 00:23:12.200 --> 00:23:15.559 health was very poor. Did they fire you at that point? 379 00:23:16.920 --> 00:23:21.839 Well, they fired me when I started writing UH that 380 00:23:21.920 --> 00:23:24.680 I had to write to my exposure records by OSHA 381 00:23:24.759 --> 00:23:27.519 law and that I needed those And as soon as 382 00:23:27.559 --> 00:23:32.519 they they received those letters, they terminated me. Uh. 383 00:23:32.559 --> 00:23:38.319 And that's then I had I believe I had. They 384 00:23:38.759 --> 00:23:41.480 they first terminated me and I filed the OSHA complaints. 385 00:23:41.480 --> 00:23:43.559 So I was in the middle of the OSHA complaint 386 00:23:44.400 --> 00:23:48.359 when I when I started writing these letters for exposure records, 387 00:23:50.559 --> 00:23:53.839 I'm sorry, let me begin, because that's such a weird story. 388 00:23:54.160 --> 00:23:57.359 So they send me a termination letter and then I 389 00:23:57.400 --> 00:24:00.319 go to OSHA because they send me this termination letter 390 00:24:00.359 --> 00:24:04.279 and they write immediately that, oh, I accident, we accidentally 391 00:24:04.279 --> 00:24:07.160 fired her. We didn't mean to fire her, which I mean, 392 00:24:07.200 --> 00:24:08.240 I had a big long letter. 393 00:24:08.279 --> 00:24:11.880 You can't accidentally write. So in the then in the 394 00:24:11.920 --> 00:24:12.359 middle of. 395 00:24:12.319 --> 00:24:15.119 The Ocean investigation, when I started writing I need my 396 00:24:15.200 --> 00:24:21.359 exposure records, they fired me. Then, because I believe uh, uh, 397 00:24:21.559 --> 00:24:26.240 employees have less rights if you're if terminated. If I 398 00:24:26.359 --> 00:24:29.559 was still an employee, I would have more rights with OSHA. 399 00:24:29.799 --> 00:24:33.440 So there is a legal strategy that they were using, UH. 400 00:24:34.000 --> 00:24:39.480 And that introduces the whole issue about OSHA. You know 401 00:24:40.079 --> 00:24:43.559