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Speaker 2: Welcome to this edition of Here's to Your Health. I'm
Speaker 2: your host, josh Lane. My guest is Becky McLain. Becky
Speaker 2: McLain has been a guest of the show before and
Speaker 2: Becky McLain is a scientist and wrote a book called Exposed.
Speaker 2: A Phiso scientist battles corruption, lies and betrayal and becomes
Speaker 2: a biohazard with Blower and when the case was finally
Speaker 2: settled in twenty ten, Becky McClain was the first. It's
Speaker 2: a pleasure to have Becky McLain on the show. I
Speaker 2: also want to mention that her book Exposed forwards by
Speaker 2: Ralph Nader, which in my opinion, is important. Ral Nader
Speaker 2: has an excellent track record when it comes to let's
Speaker 2: use the word consumer protection and the book is published
Speaker 2: by sky Horse Publishing, which is an excellent publishing house
Speaker 2: for many important ideas about wellness and the environment. Becky McLain,
Speaker 2: welcome to the show.
Speaker 3: Thank you, Joshua. I appreciate the return visit here.
Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, this way you get a chance to expand
Speaker 2: on what has occurred and what is actually ongoing right
Speaker 2: now and your role in it. So if I can
Speaker 2: ask you to please give us your history. So in
Speaker 2: other words, you, as you know, twenty five years ago
Speaker 2: you were working for Pfizer at their important base in Connecticut.
Speaker 2: When when much of this difficulty and this journey for
Speaker 2: you began. Is that correct?
Speaker 3: That's correct. At the time I.
Speaker 4: Ran into problems, I was an experienced molecular biologist of
Speaker 4: seventeen years, so.
Speaker 3: I had a lot of.
Speaker 4: Good safety protocols, you know, I was. I had been
Speaker 4: in the field for a long time. And it started
Speaker 4: on my first day of working in an embryonic stem
Speaker 4: cell laboratory. And when I stepped outside my lab to
Speaker 4: find a brake room, I asked an employee, where's the breakroom?
Speaker 4: And there was no break room. They were eating and
Speaker 4: drinking in a working hallway with refrigerators and freezers that
Speaker 4: contained pathogens, biological agents and very unsafe environ So that's
Speaker 4: how the story begins. And as you know, a break
Speaker 4: room with a separated door has been a standard procedure,
Speaker 4: safety procedure for decades. So here I am at Pfiser,
Speaker 4: the largest pharmaceutical company in the world, and they are
Speaker 4: not taking safety seriously. So that's how the story begins,
Speaker 4: and then it becomes.
Speaker 3: A lot worse.
Speaker 1: Right.
Speaker 2: Our guest is Becky McLain, former scientist at Pfeiser, althor
Speaker 2: of the book Exposed Forward by Ralph Nader, published by
Speaker 2: Skyhorse Publishing. Now, Becky, in reading your book, I saw
Speaker 2: that you know right away you mentioned there was these difficulties.
Speaker 2: And again you were at Pfiser out there I guess,
Speaker 2: important campus in Connecticut, and you mentioned this in the book.
Speaker 2: You mentioned it to other scientists working with you, and
Speaker 2: you all said the same thing. You said, Oh yeah, Becky,
Speaker 2: this is really you know, this is a bead and
Speaker 2: everyone and everyone was unhappy. Everyone seemed very un happy
Speaker 2: right away, and your supervisors also pretended to be unhappy.
Speaker 2: But yet you said when you when you had it
Speaker 2: written up, that they wouldn't write it up as a
Speaker 2: safety hazard. How did they write it up?
Speaker 4: Well, we first brought these issues forward, and I brought
Speaker 4: them forward in a safety committee, and they silenced the
Speaker 4: safety committee and instead told my supervisor that he had
Speaker 4: to take care of these safety issues by by presenting
Speaker 4: them through a building committee. So they're trying to hide
Speaker 4: the safety problems by instead of bringing them forward to
Speaker 4: the safety committee where we could document them.
Speaker 3: Uh. He was told to start this building.
Speaker 4: Committee and when we did that, the first the building
Speaker 4: committee was to try to try to see if we
Speaker 4: we could redesign our department. But Pfizer wanted to know
Speaker 4: the cost of all this before they even addressed the
Speaker 4: safety committee, so they sew the safety issues. So when
Speaker 4: we had our first meeting, finally after three or four
Speaker 4: months with the building committee, it all came to a
Speaker 4: point of talking about safety. And when we again put
Speaker 4: this forward to management, they shut.
Speaker 3: It down again.
Speaker 4: So they don't want any documentation about safety problems in
Speaker 4: biohazard labs. This is not an academic lab.
Speaker 3: I want.
Speaker 4: I want people to understand the clarification of this. We
Speaker 4: have three different labs in the United States, government labs,
Speaker 4: academia labs, and private labs. This is and each of
Speaker 4: them why they're different. Although they're using the same technologies,
Speaker 4: the same biohazard technology is the same, genetically engineered agents
Speaker 4: and everything, these three labs are regulated differently. Now why
Speaker 4: that is, it's you know, that's a question.
Speaker 3: For someone to explain.
Speaker 4: But I would say the private labs have less regulation
Speaker 4: than any of the labs as far as I as.
Speaker 3: I know, and.
Speaker 4: So that's an issue they can get away with a
Speaker 4: lot more in private labs.
Speaker 2: Our guest is Becky McLain. Becky McLain, a former scientist
Speaker 2: at Pfizer, author of a great book called Exposed Forward
Speaker 2: by Ralph Nader published by sky Is Publishing now. Ms McLain,
Speaker 2: I'm just like to venture the guests that the people
Speaker 2: that were employed at Pfizer were among the best educated
Speaker 2: from the best universities in the United States and probably
Speaker 2: Europe and the world. Am I correct in thinking that?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 4: My experience, I have worked in that academia and I
Speaker 4: have worked in corporate science.
Speaker 3: My experience, and it's to me it.
Speaker 4: Is just straightforward that academia definitely has better scientists, better
Speaker 4: well trained scientists.
Speaker 3: That was obvious to me going into private industry. They
Speaker 3: do have.
Speaker 4: You know, there were six thousand scientists or six thousand
Speaker 4: people working in the biolab in Groton, Connecticut, but they
Speaker 4: weren't as well trained. They had different pressures on them.
Speaker 4: The academia wants to publish and fives of scientists want
Speaker 4: to make inventions that can make money. It's more of
Speaker 4: a market instead of a you know, a healthcare trying
Speaker 4: to help focus on healthcare. It's more of a how
Speaker 4: do you focus on marketing our markets within the healthcare system.
Speaker 3: So no, I could.
Speaker 4: Obvious say that academia has much better scientists than corporate.
Speaker 2: All right, so, miss McLain, six thousand people at a campus,
Speaker 2: which is a very lovely term. Obviously, this is a
Speaker 2: major economic force in the state of Connecticut, and I'm
Speaker 2: guessing they have a lot of clout. And I'm also
Speaker 2: guessing that the scientists working with you there at the
Speaker 2: Pfizer Lab in Connecticut or campus in Connecticut were obviously
Speaker 2: being very well paid, and they had career paths they
Speaker 2: were searching for remaining true to and they must have
Speaker 2: realized as you did, that if you make too much
Speaker 2: trouble that they fire you or black bail you or
Speaker 2: you simply fall away from your career. So that must
Speaker 2: have been a real pressure for you and the others.
Speaker 2: Because early in your book you mentioned you're chatting with
Speaker 2: another scientist and she said, oh, yeah, she eats outside here,
Speaker 2: and you was talking about problems with I think she
Speaker 2: mentioned the first day on her there was a unopen
Speaker 2: tube or something. And so this seems like such an
Speaker 2: egregious error on the part of management at Pfizer. And
Speaker 2: I guess every scientist and every person working on the campus,
Speaker 2: not every person, but the scientists in your department was
Speaker 2: certainly exposed to dangerous materials every day, and there was
Speaker 2: no safety protocols. Well, they were terribly inadequate, and especially
Speaker 2: Pfiser being you know, a major player in the United States.
Speaker 4: That's right, yes, And I just want to clarify that
Speaker 4: the lady that found the test tube, she found it
Speaker 4: in a Coca Cola can. She was drinking and in
Speaker 4: the hallway, which is not a breakroom, but it was
Speaker 4: our only breakroom we had. It wasn't a fit, it
Speaker 4: wasn't a safe breakroom, and she found a test tube
Speaker 4: at the bottom of her coca cola.
Speaker 3: That's how unsafe.
Speaker 4: It It was the reason why Peiser is behaving like
Speaker 4: this because they claim that they don't have to be safe,
Speaker 4: they only have to be legal. Now if that concept,
Speaker 4: they don't have to be safe, they just have to
Speaker 4: be legal. You know, biotechnologies are advancing, you know daily,
Speaker 4: So if you have a regulatory or laws that govern
Speaker 4: biotechnology today, tomorrow they might be out of out of
Speaker 4: date because of the advances. So you really have to
Speaker 4: have corporations and scientists that have integrity regarding safety.
Speaker 3: You have to.
Speaker 4: Run your lab safely and not necessarily what just as legal.
Speaker 4: But you know PISO is all about money and that's
Speaker 4: how they run their business, and so that's a problem both.
Speaker 3: For workers and for the public health.
Speaker 4: These biotechnologies that are being used can harm the public
Speaker 4: if they are released into the environment.
Speaker 2: Miss mclan, you mentioned in the book that you were
Speaker 2: asked to participate in a quote comedy video or somehow
Speaker 2: light hearted video about some of the safety problems and
Speaker 2: how you did not wish to participate, and none of
Speaker 2: the other scientists wished to participate, but I guess everyone
Speaker 2: was kind of coerced into being involved with that film.
Speaker 2: And how did that eventually play out with that film.
Speaker 3: Well, initially it was a new director that came in
Speaker 3: from England and he.
Speaker 4: Asked us for our cooperation. They were going to make
Speaker 4: some sort of video. So when they came into our
Speaker 4: embryonic stem cell lab, the person that was filming the
Speaker 4: video and trying to and she wanted us to show
Speaker 4: violations of safety protocol like eating in the lab and
Speaker 4: without our lab coats and safety glasses, etc. And I
Speaker 4: immediately thought, what's going on here. I don't want to
Speaker 4: be filmed doing this.
Speaker 3: It's a serious issue. And by that time.
Speaker 4: We had already and I had already promoted safety in
Speaker 4: front of management, like there's major problems. So why they
Speaker 4: wanted us to do this was beyond our imagination, you know.
Speaker 4: So we tried to ask them what for and they
Speaker 4: were not being very specific, and then finally she made
Speaker 4: a hint that this might be a safety video where
Speaker 4: you where you first show what's improper and then you
Speaker 4: show what's proper. So we thought maybe that's what she
Speaker 4: was trying to do, that's what's indicative of what she
Speaker 4: was trying to trying to film. Well, they released the
Speaker 4: film at a Christmas party of all things. We were
Speaker 4: shocked and instead of promoting safety, they were mocking safety advisor.
Speaker 3: It was supposed to be a.
Speaker 4: Joke about how you know safety is a joke advisor.
Speaker 4: So we were all appalled. I mean, we wanted to
Speaker 4: crawl underneath the table.
Speaker 3: Because safety is These are serious issues.
Speaker 4: As I told you, they're worker safety issues and their
Speaker 4: public health safety issues, especially after experiencing COVID. I think
Speaker 4: the public should realize that these issues are very very
Speaker 4: serious issues.
Speaker 2: And when you were working at Peiser. By the way,
Speaker 2: I just juncture. Our guest is Becky McLain, who's the
Speaker 2: author of the book called Exposed. Becky is a former
Speaker 2: scientist at Pfizer who won the first the important whistleblow
Speaker 2: lawsuits and won it in twenty ten. So miss McLain
Speaker 2: has been involved with this problem for you know, twenty
Speaker 2: five years. Quite frankly, miss McClain. By the way, where
Speaker 2: did you receive their undergraduate and graduate degrees?
Speaker 4: Indiana University my undergraduate degree in biology and the University
Speaker 4: of Texas School of Public Health a master's degree, master
Speaker 4: of a science degree.
Speaker 2: Now, when you are so unhappy with the safety protocols,
Speaker 2: and I guess management obviously saw you as trouble, your trouble,
Speaker 2: and you not only you, but probably you know large
Speaker 2: numbers of the staff, but you seem to be the
Speaker 2: point person. What happened next in the timeline.
Speaker 5: Uh, well, I continued to complain about safety because of
Speaker 5: the public health threat and the worker safety threat, and
Speaker 5: I was warned several times, by at least three times
Speaker 5: by my supervisor that it's not going to go well
Speaker 5: if I continue this.
Speaker 4: Documenting safety issues. And eventually it became hostile. I was
Speaker 4: put up against the wall with threats.
Speaker 2: What kind of threats? Can I ask? What kind of
Speaker 2: I mean? Obviously I guess they're threats of employment. After all,
Speaker 2: you have a great job at a powerful corporation. And
Speaker 2: I guess if they decide, well, no, this, this person
Speaker 2: is not good advisor, that it's very in your career,
Speaker 2: you never work again.
Speaker 4: Oh for sure, I did never work again after all that,
Speaker 4: And people knew that that you can be blacklisted and
Speaker 4: you cannot be able to get another job after that.
Speaker 4: But even up above that, what happened during the retaliation
Speaker 4: of hostility intimidation. Then they exposed me to a genetically
Speaker 4: engineered virus and at the.
Speaker 3: Time, I can't really say that I think that.
Speaker 4: The person that who was my supervisor, who put me
Speaker 4: up against the wall and was using hostility against me,
Speaker 4: did direct a dangerous experiment without a bio containment hood
Speaker 4: right next to my office, open space office, on my
Speaker 4: private bench. Now that's bizarre because most in science and
Speaker 4: molecular biology, we have our own private bench so we
Speaker 4: can control our own safety. We don't want someone just
Speaker 4: walking in and placing a genetic engineered virus because they're invisible.
Speaker 3: You don't know.
Speaker 4: You know, a safe experiment looks like like the same
Speaker 4: as a dangerous experiment.
Speaker 3: You just don't know because it's invisible.
Speaker 4: So I really can't make a statement like that, although
Speaker 4: I can say he was educated enough that he should
Speaker 4: have known that this was a very dangerous virus that
Speaker 4: should have been bio contained.
Speaker 2: Right, and then after that occurred and you observed this,
Speaker 2: what's the timeline what happened? Then observed observe that he
Speaker 2: was doing a dangerous experiment in your work space.
Speaker 4: Because I was not told that a genetically engineered virus,
Speaker 4: infectious human infectious agent was coming into our lab, which
Speaker 4: is normal, would be normal protocol when we expect. We
Speaker 4: have weekly meetings, so we discussed what we're doing in
Speaker 4: the meeting.
Speaker 3: I was not told all.
Speaker 4: All I uh witness was the sloppy experiment all over
Speaker 4: my personal labs space. I just thought it was a
Speaker 4: normal embryonic stem cell experiment without genetically engineered viruses.
Speaker 3: I didn't know what they were doing, but.
Speaker 4: The retaliation at the time was so intense. I mean
Speaker 4: I was I couldn't even hardly interact.
Speaker 3: With my supervisor. Remember, it was hostile, and.
Speaker 4: I still they would not switch me to a different supervisor.
Speaker 4: So I'm working with this man who's put me up
Speaker 4: against the wall. He's giving me false performance reviews. Within
Speaker 4: forty eight hours, I became ill from the exposure, but
Speaker 4: I couldn't I didn't correlate it because I had no
Speaker 4: idea it was an infectious agent. A month later, after
Speaker 4: I've already been going to the doctor, now, like what's
Speaker 4: going on with me?
Speaker 3: A co worker.
Speaker 4: Told me that he was directed to use this lint
Speaker 4: of virus on my personal workbench.
Speaker 3: And I said, ALNA virus. What I had never been told.
Speaker 3: So then.
Speaker 4: I asked him to please check to make sure that
Speaker 4: there was no dangerous, infectious human infectious agents in that experiment,
Speaker 4: and he came back the next day very nervous and said,
Speaker 4: oh oh no, I checked it was safe.
Speaker 3: So I just assumed that, you know, it was safe.
Speaker 4: And I had another health issue, some other health issue. Well,
Speaker 4: my health started really slowly but surely becoming very, very
Speaker 4: painful and mysterious. And eventually when I had to go
Speaker 4: on medical leave during all this retaliation too, because I
Speaker 4: had to undergo his spinal.
Speaker 3: Taps and horrible, horrible things.
Speaker 4: To try to figure out what's going on, a doctor
Speaker 4: I found some doctors notes that indicated and he stated
Speaker 4: that I had been exposed somehow to a virus.
Speaker 3: Uh. And he was thinking a virus from the outside,
Speaker 3: not a virus from inside a lab, right, because I.
Speaker 4: Never told him, Okay, because I didn't know. So once
Speaker 4: I saw that that I was exposed to a virus,
Speaker 4: my blood work indicated that I had a viral.
Speaker 3: I went back to Pfiser.
Speaker 4: I said, hold on, I want to know exactly what
Speaker 4: you expose, what this lentivirus experiment was so and then
Speaker 4: Piser said, no trade secret supersedes my right. I'm not
Speaker 4: going to give you that information. So that became became
Speaker 4: another battle trying to get my exposure records for my
Speaker 4: health care. Eventually it was disclosed, but that they did
Speaker 4: use a human infectious agent, a lent of virus HIV
Speaker 4: derived lentavirus on my bench without bio containment that could
Speaker 4: infect that It was genetically engineered with a type of
Speaker 4: gain of function that made the HIV virus not only
Speaker 4: able to.
Speaker 3: Affect blood the blood, which.
Speaker 4: Normally it does, but now if you touched it, if
Speaker 4: you breathed it in, if you've rubbed your eyes, if
Speaker 4: you swallowed it, you would become infected with this genetically
Speaker 4: engineered novel lentavirus.
Speaker 2: Okay, this is all quite frankly scary. Our guest is
Speaker 2: Becky McLain, the author of a book called Exposed. This
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Speaker 2: Are you? Our guest is Becky McLain. Becky McLain a
Speaker 2: former Fiser scientist who wrote the book Exposed. Fiser Scientist
Speaker 2: battles corruption, lies and betrayal and becomes a biohazard whistleblower.
Speaker 2: Becky McClain's book excellent book called Exposed, forward by Ralph Nader,
Speaker 2: published by Scars Publishing. Now, Miss McLain, at this point,
Speaker 2: obviously you and your husband must have thought, okay, this
Speaker 2: is you know, this is very bad, and it must
Speaker 2: have been very upsetting twenty four hours a day to
Speaker 2: be fighting as an individual scientist up against a major
Speaker 2: corporation like Pfizer. Now with the information that indeed you
Speaker 2: had become infected with an infectious agent that may have
Speaker 2: been purposely put there, were sloppily put there, and your
Speaker 2: health was very poor. Did they fire you at that point?
Speaker 3: Well, they fired me when I started writing UH that
Speaker 3: I had to write to my exposure records by OSHA
Speaker 3: law and that I needed those And as soon as
Speaker 3: they they received those letters, they terminated me. Uh.
Speaker 4: And that's then I had I believe I had. They
Speaker 4: they first terminated me and I filed the OSHA complaints.
Speaker 4: So I was in the middle of the OSHA complaint
Speaker 4: when I when I started writing these letters for exposure records,
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, let me begin, because that's such a weird story.
Speaker 4: So they send me a termination letter and then I
Speaker 4: go to OSHA because they send me this termination letter
Speaker 4: and they write immediately that, oh, I accident, we accidentally
Speaker 4: fired her. We didn't mean to fire her, which I mean,
Speaker 4: I had a big long letter.
Speaker 3: You can't accidentally write. So in the then in the
Speaker 3: middle of.
Speaker 4: The Ocean investigation, when I started writing I need my
Speaker 4: exposure records, they fired me. Then, because I believe uh, uh,
Speaker 4: employees have less rights if you're if terminated. If I
Speaker 4: was still an employee, I would have more rights with OSHA.
Speaker 3: So there is a legal strategy that they were using, UH.
Speaker 3: And that introduces the whole issue about OSHA. You know
Speaker 3: how they treated me. How you know.
Speaker 4: I also want to make a point that the three
Speaker 4: different biotech UH laboratories, the private laboratory so that I
Speaker 4: was working at Adfiser, the only regulatory agency that's protecting
Speaker 4: workers and the public from exposure exposures is OSHA.
Speaker 3: It's not an I H. A lot of people get confused.
Speaker 4: They think the National Institute of Health is over overseeing
Speaker 4: these biohazards.
Speaker 3: That's an academia.
Speaker 4: This private industry only has OSHA over over seeing it.
Speaker 4: So OSHA is the only barrier to protect the public
Speaker 4: from a release of a bioagent from a private industry,
Speaker 4: a private biolab. So if we if you look at
Speaker 4: the book and what happens regarding my OSHA investigation, it's
Speaker 4: it's frightening.
Speaker 3: I mean, the public.
Speaker 4: Should be very, very concerned with a gap of oversight
Speaker 4: and the conflicts of interest within regulatory agencies that won't
Speaker 4: protect the public and workers and workers. So, I mean,
Speaker 4: I can go into a little bit about OSHA.
Speaker 3: I went there to try to get my exposure records
Speaker 3: because of my health. I was I was hospitalized.
Speaker 4: I had a horrible, terrifying illness, I wanted them to
Speaker 4: go in and inspect our department, which I have every
Speaker 4: right to by by law OSHA. If a worker goes
Speaker 4: in this, if there's major problems, please go and inspect.
Speaker 4: Because other people were being ill too, I wasn't the
Speaker 4: only one, so those issues I was trying to bring
Speaker 4: forward a thirteen month inspection. Never went in to inspect
Speaker 4: the laboratory. They would not go into inspect the laboratory. Unbelievably.
Speaker 4: I kept asking, I was writing letters, what's going on?
Speaker 4: Why aren't you going because it was obvious we didn't
Speaker 4: have a break room that was standard protocol. You can't
Speaker 4: you know, you don't want your scientists to be eating
Speaker 4: and drinking with genetically engineered viruses or cancerous chemicals. We
Speaker 4: work with genetically engineered bacteria.
Speaker 3: So they never went.
Speaker 4: In to do an inspection, although they kept promising me
Speaker 4: they were.
Speaker 3: And then they ruled.
Speaker 4: Eventually that trade secrets superseded my right to receive exposure
Speaker 4: records for my healthcare, and that was what Phiser was claiming,
Speaker 4: and then OSHA went on the side of Pfiser. Now
Speaker 4: you can imagine if I can't get exposure records, wonder
Speaker 4: if a biological release happened into the community.
Speaker 3: Now might not be a pandemic. It might be a
Speaker 3: little epidemic within just a community.
Speaker 4: Like you know, do you think you're going to get
Speaker 4: you're going to be able to get information from a
Speaker 4: company that does that.
Speaker 3: No, so it'll be a mystery illness within your community
Speaker 3: that you have no idea where it's coming from. So
Speaker 3: these are issues.
Speaker 4: Are the regulatory gaps, oversight for workers and the public
Speaker 4: is it's very risky right now and we really do
Speaker 4: need some change.
Speaker 2: Wow, this is all very upsetting to hear. Our guest
Speaker 2: is Becky McLain. Becky McClain is the author of a
Speaker 2: book called Exposed. A Pfiser scientist battles corruption, lies and
Speaker 2: betrayal and becomes a biohazard whistleblower. So miss McLean at
Speaker 2: this point, So you were then when this was all
Speaker 2: happening and you became very sick. You were a woman
Speaker 2: about late thirties forty is that it? You were a young,
Speaker 2: strong woman.
Speaker 4: Well, I was around forty two, yes, very healthy when
Speaker 4: it happened.
Speaker 3: You know, no problems with my health, and all of
Speaker 3: a sudden.
Speaker 4: I've become exposed and get this terrifying illness, new illness,
Speaker 4: of course, because you have to realize genetically engineered viruses
Speaker 4: each are novel. You know, you can't just say it's
Speaker 4: a lent of virus each When you take a genetically
Speaker 4: engineered virus, all these different technologies can be cloned inside
Speaker 4: a virus to make them do things that are unnatural.
Speaker 3: More than likely it's going.
Speaker 4: To cause a new emerging disease more than likely if
Speaker 4: you have these genetically engineered viruses.
Speaker 2: All right, So this is a very serious topic. So
Speaker 2: then at this point when would not help you? Was
Speaker 2: not cooperative? You and your husband were, you know, just isolated,
Speaker 2: You were sick, you'd been terminated from Pfizer. Things were
Speaker 2: obviously not good. When did you decide that you needed
Speaker 2: to have an attorney to represent you? And how could
Speaker 2: you find an attorney who you felt had some understanding
Speaker 2: of the subject and would not be on the side
Speaker 2: of Pfizer.
Speaker 4: That's a very big problem, Yes, it is, especially if
Speaker 4: injured workers or workers.
Speaker 3: That you know, want a safer environment.
Speaker 4: I kept trying to find an attorney and they told
Speaker 4: me that workers have very little rights.
Speaker 3: So even if they and even if they.
Speaker 4: Did take my case, then attorneys that work for workers
Speaker 4: don't make much money if they uh if they do win,
Speaker 4: because there's there's caps, there's all types of controls about
Speaker 4: what workers can do about suing their their employer. So
Speaker 4: I had to struggle, struggle to get an attorney. I
Speaker 4: finally found an attorney initially, but he kept telling me
Speaker 4: don't go.
Speaker 3: This is prior to OSHA. Don't go to OSHA.
Speaker 4: They're not your friend. It's going to be worse. And
Speaker 4: if you do go to OSHA, I'm not going to
Speaker 4: represent you.
Speaker 3: Well.
Speaker 4: I eventually had to go to OSHA because they had
Speaker 4: fired me that I had no.
Speaker 3: Option, and there were.
Speaker 4: Major issues in the lab and people were becoming injured.
Speaker 4: I wanted OSHA to go in there and to help
Speaker 4: us fix these problems could because Pfizer would not address
Speaker 4: the safety issues.
Speaker 2: So when you were fired by Pfizer and you have
Speaker 2: got this first attorney who told you not to go
Speaker 2: to OSHA, what time frame does this? Does this well
Speaker 2: take three or four or five months?
Speaker 4: It took a few months to find my first attorney,
Speaker 4: and then when I went to OSHA, he he as
Speaker 4: he said he wouldn't represent me. So I had to
Speaker 4: go through a whole year a federal and investigations without
Speaker 4: an attorney. Can you imagine I was trying to find one.
Speaker 4: I couldn't find one, and it was just very, very difficult.
Speaker 4: I would always advise anybody going through a federal investigation
Speaker 4: to get an attorney, but I could not find one.
Speaker 4: No one wanted to work against OSHA and Advisor because
Speaker 4: they have so much money.
Speaker 3: You know, it's it's it's hard on attorneys in that regard.
Speaker 4: So one of the things that could improve this aspect
Speaker 4: is to allow attorneys to make a little bit more
Speaker 4: money that represent employees, because you can't. You can't spend
Speaker 4: ten years and make you know, ten thousand dollars or
Speaker 4: whatever an attorney can make. They just they make it
Speaker 4: very difficult to find an attorney that will help you.
Speaker 4: But eventually I after OSHA, which not only dropped my case,
Speaker 4: but they stabbed me in the back. They OSHA did
Speaker 4: they They were trying to silence it too. They didn't
Speaker 4: want this, these issues. They must have not wanted these
Speaker 4: issues to come out either. They within the first month
Speaker 4: of an ocean investigation. Now you have to remember, Joshua
Speaker 4: I had a lot of documentation about the safety issues
Speaker 4: because I had been on the safety committee, which is
Speaker 4: a whole other issue. We can we can talk about
Speaker 4: how they run their safety committee. But I had brought
Speaker 4: that to this federal agency, OSHA, documented by several scientists,
Speaker 4: not just me, and again they wouldn't do a safety inspection.
Speaker 4: And at the end, within one month, OSHA came to
Speaker 4: me and said, oh, we have to settle this case
Speaker 4: because OSHA doesn't Out of two hundred cases we tried
Speaker 4: to prosecute, only one has been successful.
Speaker 3: Uh. And so they wanted me to settle.
Speaker 4: And I said, no, I'm not going to talk about
Speaker 4: money until you do a safety inspection and get in
Speaker 4: there and see what what these major problems, problems are
Speaker 4: people are getting injured, and uh, they wouldn't do it.
Speaker 3: And they said if I didn't give them an amount
Speaker 3: to settle, they would terminate my my complaint right then.
Speaker 4: I mean all this and remember I didn't have an attorney.
Speaker 4: I was a little bit naive. I was like, what
Speaker 4: is going on here? So OSHA's character was really in
Speaker 4: favor of Pfizer of trying to uh squash my complaint.
Speaker 4: Now at the end, Uh, they did, they stole my
Speaker 4: attorney client privile privileged documents during one of my interviews
Speaker 4: with them, did Ohsha stole my attorney client privileged documents?
Speaker 3: Uh? And that's in the book. You'll you'll see how
Speaker 3: that happens.
Speaker 4: And then at the very end they throw out my
Speaker 4: case and say they say that I filed the complaint
Speaker 4: to get money after I mean, I had legitimate documentation.
Speaker 4: This was this was not you know. So it was
Speaker 4: very disappointing. Not I mean more than disappointing. It was
Speaker 4: frightful that they're they're not protecting the workers and they're
Speaker 4: not protecting the public.
Speaker 3: And my attorney was right.
Speaker 4: I couldn't believe my attorney kept saying, oh is not
Speaker 4: your friend, OSHA's not your friend. Well, the laws say,
Speaker 4: ohsh is your friend. But they're surely not protecting workers.
Speaker 4: And remember Osh is the only barrier between a release
Speaker 4: from a bio biolab to the public. So they're not
Speaker 4: protecting the public either.
Speaker 2: Wow, Okay, I'll guess is Becky McLean also have exposed
Speaker 2: affiser scientist battles corruption, lies and betrayal and becomes a
Speaker 2: biohazard whistleblower. So Mims McLean, what happened then with OSHA,
Speaker 2: you know, not doing their job, not protecting the public.
Speaker 2: What what did you and you didn't have an attorney,
Speaker 2: what's the next step? What did you do?
Speaker 3: Well?
Speaker 4: We were we kept searching and searching for attorney, and
Speaker 4: finally a local attorney, he was a worker's comp attorney,
Speaker 4: picked up my case and he understood, uh the ramifications
Speaker 4: of public health and safety of ramification.
Speaker 3: He was just a good guy, Bruce Newman and h
Speaker 3: he said he'll fight for me.
Speaker 4: And so that was such a big relief to finally
Speaker 4: get some legal help with this.
Speaker 3: I had been hospitalized already. I had this.
Speaker 4: Horrible illness that slowly progressed from initially my face first
Speaker 4: becoming numb todemic muscle pain, to headaches, and then it
Speaker 4: I had I started getting spinal pain and then too
Speaker 4: drops of periodic paralysis intermitted with extreme spinal pain that
Speaker 4: that these attacks would happen twenty times a month. So
Speaker 4: my life side, I could hardly even function less alone.
Speaker 4: So when OSHA dropped the case and wouldn't do anything,
Speaker 4: my only uh legal path that I had was to
Speaker 4: file a civil suit to try to get my exposure records.
Speaker 4: PISER still would not give me records for my medical
Speaker 4: care after being hospitalized, after being you know, it was
Speaker 4: just awful. And exposure records are just the identity of
Speaker 4: what you were exposed to, so you could form some
Speaker 4: sort of direct medical care or investigation.
Speaker 3: But I couldn't get that. I couldn't get anything.
Speaker 4: So thank god, Bruce Newman filed a lawsuit to try
Speaker 4: to get my exposure records and to in a civil
Speaker 4: claim against the whistleblower because I had been fired and
Speaker 4: I had been injured.
Speaker 2: Yes, and then and then and now. Okay, so luckily
Speaker 2: have a very decent attorney. Now, and you are very sick,
Speaker 2: and obviously it's kind of if I can put it
Speaker 2: this way, it's a novel illness. So any of the
Speaker 2: physicians you're going to think, we have no idea what
Speaker 2: this is. They had no idea, So you must have
Speaker 2: felt very alone, thinking, oh, no, no one has any
Speaker 2: idea what my problem is. No one has any idea
Speaker 2: what to do for me. I'm sick, I've been fired
Speaker 2: by a major cooperation with huge dollars in political cloud.
Speaker 2: So it must have been a very difficult number of
Speaker 2: years for you.
Speaker 4: Oh yes, very very difficult, very stressful, both for my
Speaker 4: husband and I.
Speaker 3: Though yeah, I I it's it's very hard.
Speaker 4: To even even even talk about it at a time,
Speaker 4: how stressful it was to be to have this illness
Speaker 4: that no one knew what was going on, and uh,
Speaker 4: it was so debilitating and crippling that it was it
Speaker 4: was hard to do anything.
Speaker 3: But it wasn't only only.
Speaker 4: That when when I went to the doctors and I
Speaker 4: finally realized that I had been exposed to the to
Speaker 4: an infectious agent, and I will I'll tell you. At
Speaker 4: this time, H Pfizer was ordered to release a description
Speaker 4: of the virus.
Speaker 2: Okay, yes, they were.
Speaker 3: Ordered to, uh give me a description. And that's when
Speaker 3: I found out it was a human infectious agent.
Speaker 2: And it was so let me ask you this question.
Speaker 2: Similar words, you got this information because your attorney filed
Speaker 2: the necessary paperwork and the courts responded and Piser was
Speaker 2: forced to give you this information.
Speaker 4: No, let's back up a little. During the Ocean investigation.
Speaker 4: In the middle of the Ocean investigation, Pfiser fired me
Speaker 4: and Osha. At the time, I kept saying, I need
Speaker 4: my exposure records, I need my exposure records, and they
Speaker 4: wouldn't do anything. When they fired me. Ohsha ordered Pfiser
Speaker 4: to give me a description, not the actual exposure record.
Speaker 4: The exposure record will be the genetic code of the virus,
Speaker 4: so you can decipher what elements are in there to
Speaker 4: cause a disease. They just gave me a description and
Speaker 4: the description it was an agent that could infect humans
Speaker 4: through their eyes, through their if you touch it, if
Speaker 4: you breathe it, because it was genetically engineered with this
Speaker 4: gain of function VSVG function. So I knew that by
Speaker 4: that time, I kne knew I had been exposed to
Speaker 4: a genetically engineered virus. And then I further wanted my
Speaker 4: exposure records to get the genetic coast so I could
Speaker 4: bring them to a doctor.
Speaker 3: To say, hey, here's this virus. What how can we
Speaker 3: what can we do?
Speaker 4: I've been exposed to genetically engineered virus well, and so
Speaker 4: when I went to doctors, what were the problem was
Speaker 4: when I went to doctors and I said, uh, I
Speaker 4: told them about Now I'm telling them about the issue
Speaker 4: because I know I've been exposed.
Speaker 3: I couldn't get one doctor to advocate to write a
Speaker 3: letter to to force.
Speaker 4: Pfiser to get my exposure records because of the conflicts
Speaker 4: of interest in the medical and academic community regarding.
Speaker 3: Pfizer and the big money.
Speaker 4: That that's happening between academia and big business now, and
Speaker 4: that's because of the BIDO law that that was an
Speaker 4: active nineteen eighty When would they allowed patents pub publicly
Speaker 4: funded research, publicly funded from our from our purses, from
Speaker 4: our pockets. They're allowing patents to be licensed through academia
Speaker 4: to private industry.
Speaker 3: Now since nineteen eighties, the bio.
Speaker 4: Biotech industry has boomed because of this, and they they
Speaker 4: put this law into to in effect to generate innovation.
Speaker 3: But I would.
Speaker 4: Say, I would ask the public has it really worked?
Speaker 3: I mean, has it? Who is who has ever had
Speaker 3: an embryonic stem cell treatment? What type of advanced treatments?
Speaker 3: Have people got?
Speaker 4: What we've what we've gotten, We've got a bought off
Speaker 4: academic institute that no longer prioritize is public interest. They
Speaker 4: prioritize making money on biotechnology. So the bi Dole law
Speaker 4: has swung it way far to away from public advocacy
Speaker 4: and that I really do believe that needs to be
Speaker 4: addressed in that regard. So I'm sick, I'm going to
Speaker 4: doctors they're afraid of Pfiser. I go to academic institutes,
Speaker 4: medical institutes who are getting not For example, I went
Speaker 4: to Yale Occupational Health to have them be evaluated.
Speaker 3: They were getting that department was getting nine hundred thousand
Speaker 3: dollars from Peiser. Nine hundred thousand dollars.
Speaker 4: Well, do you think they're going to go against Pviiser
Speaker 4: and ask for my exposure records when they're getting nine
Speaker 4: hundred thousand dollars. No, they can't lose that.
Speaker 3: They can't lose that type of funding for their department.
Speaker 4: So the conflicts of interests now also inhibit the public
Speaker 4: to understand and to see injured workers and workers uh
Speaker 4: biotech complaints brought forward because it's silence through all these
Speaker 4: this systemic conflicts of interest.
Speaker 2: Our guest is Becky McLain. Becky McClain, a former Parser
Speaker 2: scientist who wrote the book Exposed a Piser scientist battles corruption, lies,
Speaker 2: and betrayal and becomes a biohazard whistleblower. So, miss McLain,
Speaker 2: what then happened? Now that you know you have an attorney,
Speaker 2: you've received the paperwork about the type of illness? What
Speaker 2: what what happens then?
Speaker 4: Well, the only way I could get my exposure records
Speaker 4: was to file a civil lawsuit and through discovery get them.
Speaker 3: Okay, so that's that's that's I'm struggling to get this.
Speaker 4: Finally, my h attorney does get a partial sequence of
Speaker 4: the virus I was exposed to.
Speaker 3: Partial. They would not give me the I think Pizer.
Speaker 4: Was trying to not give me the whole sequence, so
Speaker 4: I couldn't get tested.
Speaker 3: Okay, you need you need the whole sequence.
Speaker 4: But what they did give me, they gave me a
Speaker 4: sequence that with with certain technologies in it, uh that
Speaker 4: you can decode and you can figure out what these
Speaker 4: these these technologies are. Okay, you have to be a
Speaker 4: molecular biologist. But I was a molecular biologist, so I
Speaker 4: could I could.
Speaker 3: Do all this and uh uh.
Speaker 4: One of the technologies that they placed inside the virus
Speaker 4: is called s h r N a technology. And I'll
Speaker 4: just make it try to make it simple metaphorically. It's
Speaker 4: it's like it's it's like, uh, the Tomahawk cruise missile
Speaker 4: that they chewed off from a Navy carrier. It they
Speaker 4: put a GPS unit on the missile and they can
Speaker 4: strike a building precisely that type of technology we have
Speaker 4: on a molecular level that we can clone in one
Speaker 4: of these shr and A technologies to silence or destroy
Speaker 4: gene products of our choosing. It's a technology that we
Speaker 4: use to for exact example, to make disease state models
Speaker 4: in the laboratory. It's it's a it's called a dual
Speaker 4: purpose technology that is used.
Speaker 3: You can use it for good or you could use.
Speaker 4: It but for bad if if if it's in the
Speaker 4: wrong hands. But in our laboratory, embryonic stem cell laboratory,
Speaker 4: we're trying to make disease state models. So I found
Speaker 4: out by this first release that this s HRNA UH
Speaker 4: was predicted to cause periodic paralysis.
Speaker 3: So that was a independent study thing I had to
Speaker 3: do with it.
Speaker 4: It came from a database from the United States Nuclear
Speaker 4: DNA database and the prediction was, if you're exposed to
Speaker 4: this virus, you're going to be dropping to paralysis. Well,
Speaker 4: I had already been hospitalized a couple of times with
Speaker 4: dozens of ambulance rise with a diagnosis of periodic transient
Speaker 4: periodic paralysis.
Speaker 3: They didn't understand why.
Speaker 4: I was having this, and that it's because the virus
Speaker 4: destroyed potassium channels. So I had evidence, very concrete evidence
Speaker 4: that my exposure led to this illness.
Speaker 3: So now I needed the full sequence so I could
Speaker 3: get medical care.
Speaker 4: And that's why then Pizer just denied they wouldn't give
Speaker 4: us anything else. So I went to trial. And that's
Speaker 4: a whole nother story. It's a whole nother.
Speaker 3: Beginning because there's other conflicts of interest.
Speaker 4: The judge was obviously biased when we started the trial.
Speaker 4: She wouldn't let any of my injuries, injury or exposures
Speaker 4: in front to be told in front of the.
Speaker 3: Jury.
Speaker 4: And at the end, I did win. I won one
Speaker 4: point three million dollars for the ten years that for
Speaker 4: back pay for my retaliation. They had to pay me
Speaker 4: for my work. But I didn't get any future loss
Speaker 4: because I lost my career and I didn't get any
Speaker 4: compensation for my illness, and I never got health care
Speaker 4: for my illness directed health care from that. And at
Speaker 4: the end that we find out that the judge finally
Speaker 4: discloses she has a conflict of interest.
Speaker 3: Her husband was working with Visor. Her husband was.
Speaker 4: Working with Visor, and he was also working in a
Speaker 4: three hundred million dollar investment firm for BRIONI.
Speaker 2: Stemselves Okay, listen, So our guest has been Becky McClain,
Speaker 2: author of a great book called Exposed. A Farsi scientist
Speaker 2: battles corruption, lies and betrayal and becomes a biohazard whistleblower.
Speaker 2: Becky McLain, Forward by Ralph Nader, published by Scars Publishing.
Speaker 2: This is just such a remarkable story, frightening quite frankly,
Speaker 2: it's quite frankly frightening. But I think we as American
Speaker 2: people and people of the world need to understand what's happening.
Speaker 2: We're going to have to have Becky McLain on again
Speaker 2: to really go through this. It's just remarkable and we
Speaker 2: need to know. And Becky actually has a historical very
Speaker 2: important because of the case he won in twenty ten. Again,
Speaker 2: the book is called Exposed by Becky A. McClain. We'll
Speaker 2: have Becky McLain on the show again. This is Josh Lane.
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