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Speaker 1: And we are back with another edition of the Federalist

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to the premium version of our website as well. Our

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guest today is Ira Melman of the Federation for American

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Immigration Reform or FAIR, on the expected chaos the left

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has wrought in Los Angeles in defense of the illegal

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alien invasion. Ira, as always, it's a pleasure having you

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on the Federalist Radio Hour.

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Speaker 2: Thanks very much, pleasure to be here.

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Speaker 1: You have covered this issue for a very long time,

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the issue of illegal immigration in America. You've covered the

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issue of violent illegal immigrants in America. Here we are,

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as I note in the Federalists this week, as rioters

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wave Mexican flags while smashing and burning their way through

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LA in an actual insurrection against the federal government. California

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Governor Gavin Newsom has sued President Trump for attempting to

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restore law and order to the invaded Metropolitan Area News

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scum as Trump likes to call him, is ultimately going

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to lose his lawsuit, although he's likely to find liberal

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resistance courts to agree with him early on. The last

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leftist governor and the usual suspects in the prov depress

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are blaming the civil unrest as they like to call it,

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on the Trump administration's efforts to clean up the illegal

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immigration mess left by Democrats. Seems to me to be

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a losing argument by Democrats by the left in America,

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because indeed, Ira, as you have followed and tracked the numbers,

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this is an administration that was elected on cleaning up

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the mess of the Biden administration.

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Speaker 2: It absolutely was.

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Speaker 3: You know, the American public had four years of essentially

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open borders and they did not particularly like what they saw.

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It was affecting communities all across the United States, especially

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in California, which has the largest share of the illegal

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alien population. And you know, ICE came in with the

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intent of finding the people that they have targeted for removal.

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These were primarily, but not exclusively, people with criminal records

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or gang associations. You know, there seems to be this

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idea out there that you know, unless you've committed some

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other heinous crime once you're here, that you shouldn't be

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removed from the country simply for being here illegally.

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Speaker 2: And that's not the case.

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Speaker 3: All you have to do is be illegally in the

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country in order to be subject to removal.

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Speaker 2: But I was out there doing its job.

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Speaker 3: It was rounding up people who with long lists of

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criminal offenses, associations with gangs, and look, I mean, we've

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seen this play before. This follows a very familiar pattern.

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You have these organized groups that are ready for their

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art Strooke Ferdinand moment. You know the causes Belli and

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I guess they found one last week in Los Angeles

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and decided to pull the trigger and get the mobs

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out there on the streets to wreak havoc. And you know,

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I suspect that this is going to blow up in

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their faces. The American public doesn't really look kindly at

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people waving foreign flows, throwing bricks at law enforcement officers,

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starting fires, creating all kinds of mayhem, burning self driving

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vehicles on the freeway. So it follows a familiar pattern.

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We've seen this countless times over the past few years.

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And I guess we're going to see how the Trump

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administration handles this one.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, as you say, we have seen this movie before.

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We're all familiar with what happened to this country in

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the long hot summer of twenty twenty, driven by the

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Marxist in the Black Lives Matter movement. A lot of

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the same players are involved in this, many of the

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same resistors, so to speak. We'll delve into that in

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just a moment. But the American people, as you note,

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according to the latest polling, absolutely behind the Trump administration.

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I think CBS poll shows fifty four percent of Americans

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believe in the deportation of illegal immigrants, and they certainly

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support law and order. We are seeing exactly the opposite

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from this Democrat party. How much of this what we're

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seeing play out in the streets of Los Angeles and

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much of this is on the hands of congressional Democrat

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leaders like Hakeem Jeffries who talk about dosing identifying ice

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law enforcement officials who are simply doing their jobs and

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giving their identities out to the same sort of lunatics

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who are burning down our cities.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, that's a very dangerous game to play.

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jobs that they were assigned to do. Look, you know,

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Hakeem Jeffries has every right, like just like the rest

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doesn't think this is the way it ought to be done,

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then you know he ought to use his role as

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the House Minority leader to try to affect some kind

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of change. You know, as you pointed out, the American

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public is not necessarily on his side, but he's certainly

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entitled to his freedom of expression, as are all the

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people around the country who might be opposed to this.

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Speaker 2: But where it crosses the.

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Speaker 3: Line is when you start doing what we're seeing happening

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is not protest. That that is insurrection. That is violence.

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Speaker 2: And you know, you.

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Speaker 3: Mentioned Gavin Newsom. You haven't mentioned Karen Bass yet. You know,

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she wasn't she at least was not in Ghana this time.

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Speaker 1: She was right there indeed, speaking speaking of the wildfires

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and another debacle on the hands of Karen Bass and

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Gavin Newsom, right.

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Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, so you know, they were not doing very

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much to quell the violence.

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Speaker 2: In fact, you know, some of their rhetoric was as

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Speaker 3: Haakim Jeffreys also contributed to this. So you know, unfortunately,

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the Washington administration in Washington cannot sit around and wait

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for Karen Bass or Gavin Newsom to do something about it,

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because you know, whatever didn't burn down in January could

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possibly be burning down now as a result. So you know,

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we need to have the federal government step up. It

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would be great if they could get local cooperation on

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this matter, but it doesn't seem that it's going to happen.

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But they need to do something to make sure that

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the people that they're sending.

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Speaker 2: Out there to enforce our laws are kept safe.

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Speaker 3: That protest, which is certainly something that people are entitled

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to do, is peaceful and done through the proper ways.

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If they want to change the policies, that's something for

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them to advocate, but what we're seeing now is just

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simply unacceptable.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's a powerful statement you just made, Ira about

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Los Angeles, much of Los Angeles burning in the wildfires

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by a natural disaster that was precipitated in no small

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part from public officials in Los Angeles. And now you

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have an unnatural disaster once again, pushed and driven in

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no small part by Los Angeles public officials. I'm going

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to get your take on Trump advisor Stephen Miller posting

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on x just a while ago. Steven Miller says the

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threat being made here by Mayor Bass is explicit. The

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mayor of LA is effectively saying the mob violence is

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caused by the mere presence of Ice in the city,

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and the violence against Ice will not stop unless federal

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law enforcement is withdrawn from the city. This is the

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definition of insurrection. LA and California leadership demand the right

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to illegally import unlimited foreigners into America, to control America's

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entire immigration policy by FIAT, and if they are not

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so permitted, they will allow mobs to target Ice with impunity.

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What do you think of Steven Miller's assessment and assertions here.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, certainly the local officialists, as you point

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out in California, have been stirring the pot.

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Speaker 2: You know this was an inevitable result.

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Speaker 3: You know, as I said before, that they were just

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waiting for the pretense to or the pretext to trigger

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these sorts of events. And certainly, you know, I'm not

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going to blame Karen Basso Gavin Newsom for the violence,

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but they certainly have not.

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Speaker 2: Done as much as they could to stop it.

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Speaker 3: And when you have the mayor kind of siding with

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the writers saying, you know that they the real bad

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guys here are the law enforcement officers who are sent

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out to do their jobs. That just adds fuel to

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this fire. And it is unnecessary, it's irresponsible. But you know,

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this has been a consistent pattern in California for quite

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some time. Look, I mean, California probably has about four

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congressional seats that are due to the illegal Aalian population.

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and so California with its very large illegal alien population,

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it contributes to more political power for California.

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Speaker 2: Also more federal money flowing.

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Speaker 3: Its way, you know, that's one of the determinations and

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where federal federal dollars go. So you know that they

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have other motives, perhaps for wanting to see our immigration

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laws go unforced.

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Speaker 2: But you know.

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Speaker 3: That's not the real reason for having immigration laws to

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increase in number of federal dollars that California receives.

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Speaker 2: And we simply cannot.

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Speaker 3: Tolerate mayors and governors siding with rioters over federal law enforcement.

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Speaker 1: Well, you have tracked the numbers for a long time

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at fair What kind of numbers of illegal immigrants legal

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aliens are we talking about in California? Because once again,

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ICE is merely doing its job in enforcing the law

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and apprehending and then ultimately deporting illegal immigrants in Los Angeles,

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some of them very violent, to some of them with

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long criminal records. All of that said, what are the

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kind of numbers we're looking at in Los Angeles and

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in California? And suffice to say, I believe those numbers

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are pretty daunting for the Trump administration in ICE.

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Speaker 3: They are it's about three point two million in California.

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it is quite significant, and it is costing the it's

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costing taxpayers there. And you know, it's not just the

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federal dollars coming in it's state and local dollars going

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out to provide education, healthcare, a whole range of human

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services that they provide.

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Speaker 2: And this has been.

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Speaker 3: The political objective of California leaders for quite some time.

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they spend most of their time framing up new benefits

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and services that they can provide to illegal aliens. You know,

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kind of a surprise. Gavin Newsom just recently came out

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with a statement saying that, you know, maybe California cannot

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afford to provide health insurance coverage to every illegal alien

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in the state. You know, it's an acknowledgment of the

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reality and the fact that California is facing a budget

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depicit in part due to the costs of illegal immigration.

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point when you have large constituencies that are illegal aliens.

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Then you know, you start to see the local politicians

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cater to that group of people. And what we're also

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seeing at the same time is that long standing California

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as people who have lived there perhaps for generations, are

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picking up and moving elsewhere. So you know, it is

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sort of a toxic situation. That feedes on itself, and

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somewhere along the line you have to say enough is enough.

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We're going to pull the plug on this. We are

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going to recognize that our obligation is to do what

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is right for the legal residents of our state. But

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I don't think California has reached that point yet.

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Speaker 4: This is Molly Hemingway of the Federalist Join Me, my husband,

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Speaker 1: Dot Org. And as you mentioned, Ira, it's not just

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California paying the freight. It is every taxpayer in this

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country paying for these programs, paying for these benefits, paying

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for these welfare initiatives, and the rest of America should

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have something to say. Certainly, as illegal immigrants, along with

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leftist activists, tried to rip up and tear down a

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major American city, Our guest today is Ira Melman of

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the Federation for American Immigration Reform or Fair on the

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expected chaos the left has wrought in Los Angeles in

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defense of the illegal alien invasion. How much has the

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accomplice media, corporate media, the Pravda press played into this era.

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I'm looking at a Wall Street Journal piece today. The

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headline is the White House marching orders that sparked the

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La migrant crackdown, while Steve Journal goes on to say,

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after deportations fell short of President Trump's campaign promises, federal

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agents summoned to a meeting in Washington, we're told to quote,

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just go out there and arrest illegal aliens. And then

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this interesting assertion from the White House or from the

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Wall Street Journal. The administration's immigration enforcement is a sharp

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break with past government practices, according to attorneys, immigration advocates,

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and officials from previous administrations, A duh, to put it

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in the parlance of my teenage kids, and b what

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were we doing before this? And obviously the answer to

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anybody whose tracked history is we've just allowed an invasion

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under all kinds of different administrations on the right and

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left in this country for all different kinds of reasons.

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What say you to this Wall Street Journal report.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, this.

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Speaker 3: Is the Wall Street Journal, which is not necessarily as

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you know, far out there as say the New York

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Speaker 2: And you're right, I mean that they have The.

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Speaker 3: Wall Street Journal particular has catered to the business interest

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desire to have lots and lots of cheap labor here.

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of taken a former stand against the illegal immigration over

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recent years, but they still want that cheap labor coming in.

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this idea that you know, we should never enforce our

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immigration laws unless we're talking about really violent criminals. And

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obviously any law enforcement agency focuses it's it makes us

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a priority to remove people who pose a danger to

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the community, a serious danger. But that doesn't mean that

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they stop enforcing other laws. And ironically, you know, California

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is probably the perfect example of that kind of mindset.

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You know, we saw where they just basically decriminalized all sorts.

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Speaker 2: Of things, and so you know, you had rampant.

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Speaker 3: Shoplifting, which led to businesses going out of business. You know,

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all the things that came as a result of not

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enforcing those laws. So yes, I mean ICE does prioritize

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the removal of gang members, the removal people with criminal records,

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it doesn't mean that they overlook every other offense. So,

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you know, just because they are violent criminals out of

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the streets doesn't mean that if a cop sees you shoplifting,

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that the cop isn't going to arrest you. And this

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is precisely what ICE has been doing. They prioritizing the

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really bad guys, but they're also making it clear that

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you're not going to get a free pass, you're not

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guaranteed that you're going to be allowed to remain in

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the country, even if you're not a criminal, and that

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affects the mindset of the people who come to the

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United States illegally. People have been coming here in large

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numbers because they believed, and for a very good reason,

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that they were not going to be bothered once they

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got here, that ICE was not going to enforce the

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laws against them.

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Speaker 2: Now the administration is sending a signal saying.

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Speaker 3: Hey, you know, there is a chance that you know,

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we might stumble upon you, and if we do you're

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going to be.

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Speaker 2: Removed from the country.

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Speaker 3: And quite frankly, this is the way we enforce most

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civil laws in the United States. Perfect example is the

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highway patrol. When they want to enforce the speed limit,

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they don't pull over every speeder. They establish a presence

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on the highway. The rest of us get the message

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and slow down. The IRS audits a few tax returns.

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The rest of us get the message, double check our

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returns before we file. This is precisely what ICE is doing,

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and it's the model that's effective when it comes to

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enforcing these kinds of laws.

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Speaker 1: So let me ask you this. You noted this before.

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The Wall Street Journal has indeed absolutely stood by the

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drive over decades upon decades of cheap labor flooding into

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the country through illegal immigration. How much of this has

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to do what we are seeing on the streets of

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la what we are seeing in the battle grounds across

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the country. How much of this has to do with

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Republican led policy on cheap labor? And what happened to

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the Democrats who you don't have to go too far back,

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fighting and railing against illegal immigrants in this country taking

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away good paying American union factory jobs.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I mean even Bernie Sanders was saying that, you know,

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not that many years ago. So yes, I mean you

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have the situation where, for different reasons, you know, the

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two parties come to the same conclusion. For years, you've

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had sort of the Wall Street wing of the Republican

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Party saying, hey, you know, if we can get people

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to come in here and work really cheaply, that's great

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for business. And by the way, it's not cheap labor.

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We don't have cheap labor in the United States. What

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we have subsidized labor.

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Speaker 1: That's right.

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Speaker 3: So you know, when a company hires an Nellie Glialien

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working at low wages, they're just shifting the cost to

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somebody else, namely the taxpayers.

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Speaker 2: We pay for education, we pay for healthcare, we pay for.

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Speaker 3: The whole range of things that these human beings understandably

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need once they get here. On the Democratic side, you know,

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there was a time where they were concerned about American workers,

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and they abandoned that probably ten fifteen years ago, decided

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that they were going to get behind the illegal aliens.

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this influx of low wage workers as a constituency.

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Speaker 2: These are people who rely on government services.

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Speaker 3: You're always going to get a better deal from the

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Democrats when it comes to government services and hands outs,

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and this was the way they were going to build

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their new coalition.

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Speaker 2: It turns out in the last election it didn't work.

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Speaker 3: You saw record numbers of Hispanic voters, Black voters shifting

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to Trump, and a lot of it was due to

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the fact that he recognized the impact that massive legal

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immigration having on these workers. So it was a failed

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model that the Democrats were looking at when they were

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trying to establish a permit majority here. But you know,

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it's still out there. You still have the ideologues who

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basically believe in open borders and want to just flood

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the country with as many people as they possibly can.

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So we're going to have to keep pushing through this.

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And you know, as you point out, the media have

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not just the Wall Street journal been saying, Hey, you know,

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it's isis presence that's causing this, not the people who

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are throwing the bricks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that really is a twisted bit of logic from

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some people who have twisted logic for a long time

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in so many different areas on the left, everything of course,

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from men and women's sports to the border invasion and beyond.

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You have seen it play out in this country over

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and over again. So all of this said, and the media,

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corporate media working overtime to to embellish and push this

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false narrative that by law enforcement, federal law enforcement officials

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trying to restore order, they are in fact creating disorder.

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I love some of the statements that we're hearing from,

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just just the insane statements we're hearing from some very

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high ranking public officials and media members that if ice

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would in the federal government, the Trump administration would just

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let these kids have some fun and watch some property

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burn and smash up some stores and loot some positions.

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Let them do it. This all this would play play out.

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It wouldn't be a big deal. Yeah, I think Americans

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under stand that. But I guess what I'm asking, Ira,

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is how long does America, the majority of Americans have

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Trumps back on this whole issue.

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Speaker 3: You know, we will see, you know, the American public

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does get tired of the violence that they see.

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Speaker 2: You know, you mentioned the summer of twenty twenty.

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Speaker 3: You know, we have now seen for the past twenty

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months or so what has been going on in college

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campuses that you know, it becomes pretty evident pretty quickly

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that they're just exploiting a situation to advance other causes

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and other interests that are not shared widely by the

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American people, even if they may have some sympathy for

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the illegal immigrants who are being targeted for removal.

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Speaker 2: So, as I said, it could very.

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Speaker 3: Well backfire on, you know, the people who are behind

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these insurrections. But nevertheless, in the short term at least,

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it's going to be rough on people in Los Angeles.

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Speaker 2: And other areas.

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Speaker 3: So you know, it is going to be incumbent on

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this administration to make it clear that this is not

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going to affect their policies. And in fact, the best way,

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as I said before, to really address this issue is

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to make it clear to people that if you come

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to the United States illegally, don't think you're going to

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just be able to stay here with no consequence whatever.

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Speaker 2: And what we need to do.

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Speaker 3: The best way to enforce this law is to get

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people to decide it's not in their interest to remain here,

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to pick up and go home because they're not going

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to succeed in what it is that they came here

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to do. That is the most effective way. And if

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we just show the resolve, if we are consistent in this,

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you're going to see people actually picking up and returning home.

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We're already seeing it. But you know, it has to

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be sustained and there has to be support for this,

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and it really isn't helpful to have people like them

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of Los Angeles to the governor of California undermining this effort.

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Speaker 5: Was this whole Doge thing the best idea? The Watch

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and how it affects your wallet. After trying to save

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the government trillions of dollars in spending, Congress is voting

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to only keep nine billion dollars of the Doge cuts.

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Are they totally insulting our intelligence? Whether it's happening in

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DC or down on Wall Street, it's affecting you financially.

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Speaker 2: Be informed.

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Speaker 5: Check out the Watch doot on Wall Street podcast with

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Speaker 1: Two questions for you on that front from what you

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mentioned a bit ago, are Democrats in the party party officials.

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Are they fighting so hard against all of this because

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they fear losing their constituency if Trump is successful? And

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we talked about it the outside of our conversation today,

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many of these groups that are backing all of this

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are the same players we saw in twenty twenty in

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the BLM movement at the time. Who are the major

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players in all of this, Well, you.

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Speaker 3: Know, you've got people obviously like George Soros who have

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been backing many of these organizations. You've got people like

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Nevil Roy Singham and Jody Ebanssee's who are the funders

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of Code Pink. They actually reside in China. So you know,

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we're seeing all sorts of ways to you know, outside

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influence coming in here. And really what they're trying to

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do is so you know, the seeds of descent here

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in the United States and to point that out, we're

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seeing this over and over again. You know, I guess

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we're going to continue to see this as long as

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they believe that they're making headway.

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Speaker 2: But we have to.

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Speaker 3: Stand resolute in making it clear that we have immigration

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policies for a reason. They are there to protect the

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interests of the American public, and we're going to enforce

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those laws and that people who oppose this do have

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an outlet to express their discontent about it. But we're

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not going to let them just run rampant over our cities.

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Speaker 1: And what about the first question regarding the Democrats, this

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seems to be such a losing issue for them. Do

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they really believe and I'm talking about party Democrats now,

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people in positions of authority within the party, do they

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really believe this stuff that they're saying that most Americans

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look at and go, wow, that's pretty nutty. Or is

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this really about power for them? Do they really fear

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that if Trump is successful in removing a significant number

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the legal immigrants, at least the kind of numbers that

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were brought in that that were allowed an open door

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during the Biden administration, that they're going to lose their

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current and future constituencies.

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Speaker 3: You know, everything is about political power when you talk

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to politicians. You know, what we saw after the election

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that you know, there was like maybe momentarily some soul searching,

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you know, where did we go wrong? There seemed to

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be some acknowledgment about the fact that the open border

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wasn't such a great idea, but you know, maybe they're

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reverting back to the norm here that they see this

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as an opportunity.

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Speaker 2: You know, they think they can create.

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Speaker 3: The public perception that the Trump administration is going too

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far and try to capitalize on that. You know, it's

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hard to get inside inside their brains and to figure

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out exactly what their motives are, but it could be

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a variety of reasons.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you've got.

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Speaker 3: The ideological left in the Democratic Party that simply wants

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open borders. You have you know, the more establishment Democrats

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who are looking for ways to regain power. You know,

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they are kind of in the wilderness right now. So

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you know, this should be a bi partisan issue. This

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affects the lives of their constituents. The voters made it

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very clear in the last election that they want enforcement

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of immigration laws, that they don't think open borders.

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Speaker 2: Are a good idea, and they certainly.

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Speaker 3: Don't want people coming to the United States and creating

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the kind of havoc that we've seen over.

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Speaker 2: The past few days in La Okay.

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Speaker 1: To that havoc quickly, once again, you mentioned a lot

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of this is an outside job. You know, a lot

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of money coming in from people who live in countries that,

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let's face it, aren't real friendly to the United States

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of America. But how much of this is an inside job?

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I think about the Ford Founding and some others like it,

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which had been feeding this kind of movement for a

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long time. Quite frankly, what boils down to a lawless

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movement in America?

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Speaker 3: Yeah? Absolutely, you know you mentioned the Ford Foundation. There

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are others, you know, really deep pockets. They have been

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funding this sort of thing for quite some time. We

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saw it throughout the Biden administration. We also saw that

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in some cases you had government money going to NGOs

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that were actually encouraging people to come across the border illegally.

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So yeah, I mean there is a big, kind of

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established network out there that has benefited tremendously politically and

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otherwise from the chaos at the borders from mass illegal immigration.

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Speaker 2: And they're going to keep edit.

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Speaker 3: Obviously, the American public needs to confront this, but you know,

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we are dealing with people not just outside the country,

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but people who inside the country are fomenting this sort

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of behavior.

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Speaker 1: Final question for you, and we've touched upon it throughout

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our conversation, but how much is this problem the problem

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of the invasion, the problem of mass illegal immigration in

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this country. How much is that costing the American taxpayer

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on an annimal basis, Oh, the.

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Speaker 3: Net cost is about one hundred and fifty one billion

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dollars a year. And you know, it's also in addition

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to the dollar amount. You know, we're now seeing the

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social cost of what is going on on the streets

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of Los Angeles. You know, there have been other places.

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Speaker 2: Where it's kind of flared up.

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Speaker 3: But you know, as you point out that this has

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been a long standing problem, it's not entirely the fault

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of the Democrats.

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Speaker 2: We've seen this under.

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Speaker 3: A democratic administration's Republican administrations.

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Speaker 2: And you know, we wouldn't be going.

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Speaker 3: Through this if we hadn't allowed, uh, you know, and

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by our estimate, about eighteen point six million illegal aliens

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to settle in this country.

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Speaker 2: We were now.

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Speaker 3: Reaping the consequences of years and years of neglect of

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this policy that have led to these huge populations of

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illegal aliens. And you know, now you have an administration

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that is committed to doing something about it. And you know,

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a lot of people who have benefited from the status

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quo are not happy about what it is going on

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right now.

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Speaker 1: I said, final question. You know, as journalists we never

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have a final question. You just ultimately give up, but

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I do. Here it is. Here is my presumed final

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question for you. How much of this madness, this chaos

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that we are seeing play out nightly from Los Angeles

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and what may play out across this country over this

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a long, hot summer ahead. How much of that is

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the responsibility of the US Supreme Court were at the

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very least dallying not continencing these lower activist courts, particularly

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the circuit courts in America.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's kind of a hard question to answer.

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I mean, obviously, you know, if you didn't have these

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activist judges blocking efforts to remove people or to enforce laws,

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it would be somewhat easier. But you know, the political

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side of this, I'm not sure would have been affected

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all that much. You still would have had all these

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groups that we talked about, all of these foundations funding

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what has been going on. You know that they have

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enjoyed the run that they've had for quite some time,

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and they're just not going to give up without a fight,

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or you know, even if it means doing what they're

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doing in Los Angeles right now. Clearly, you know the courts,

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having these activist judges throwing up roadblocks constantly is helpful,

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but I'm not sure it necessarily would have affected the

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political situation that we're dealing with that much.

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Speaker 1: Hira. You said it before we came on the air today,

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that thirty thirty five minutes wasn't going to do what

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we could spend a lot longer talking about just the

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mayhem we're seeing today. We'll have to have you back

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on the Federalist Radio Hours soon, and hopefully we get

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some positive movement on this front in the coming days

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and weeks and months ahead.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it will be interesting, to say the least.

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Speaker 1: Indeed, thanks to my guest today, Ira Melman of the

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Federation for American Immigration Reform or FAIR, you've been listening

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to another edition of the Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Matt Kittle,

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Senior Elections correspondent at the Federalist. We'll be back soon

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with more. Until then, stay lovers of freedom and anxious

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for the fray