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guest today is Ira Melman of the Federation for American
Immigration Reform or FAIR, on the expected chaos the left
has wrought in Los Angeles in defense of the illegal
alien invasion. Ira, as always, it's a pleasure having you
on the Federalist Radio Hour.
Speaker 2: Thanks very much, pleasure to be here.
Speaker 1: You have covered this issue for a very long time,
the issue of illegal immigration in America. You've covered the
issue of violent illegal immigrants in America. Here we are,
as I note in the Federalists this week, as rioters
wave Mexican flags while smashing and burning their way through
LA in an actual insurrection against the federal government. California
Governor Gavin Newsom has sued President Trump for attempting to
restore law and order to the invaded Metropolitan Area News
scum as Trump likes to call him, is ultimately going
to lose his lawsuit, although he's likely to find liberal
resistance courts to agree with him early on. The last
leftist governor and the usual suspects in the prov depress
are blaming the civil unrest as they like to call it,
on the Trump administration's efforts to clean up the illegal
immigration mess left by Democrats. Seems to me to be
a losing argument by Democrats by the left in America,
because indeed, Ira, as you have followed and tracked the numbers,
this is an administration that was elected on cleaning up
the mess of the Biden administration.
Speaker 2: It absolutely was.
Speaker 3: You know, the American public had four years of essentially
open borders and they did not particularly like what they saw.
It was affecting communities all across the United States, especially
in California, which has the largest share of the illegal
alien population. And you know, ICE came in with the
intent of finding the people that they have targeted for removal.
These were primarily, but not exclusively, people with criminal records
or gang associations. You know, there seems to be this
idea out there that you know, unless you've committed some
other heinous crime once you're here, that you shouldn't be
removed from the country simply for being here illegally.
Speaker 2: And that's not the case.
Speaker 3: All you have to do is be illegally in the
country in order to be subject to removal.
Speaker 2: But I was out there doing its job.
Speaker 3: It was rounding up people who with long lists of
criminal offenses, associations with gangs, and look, I mean, we've
seen this play before. This follows a very familiar pattern.
You have these organized groups that are ready for their
art Strooke Ferdinand moment. You know the causes Belli and
I guess they found one last week in Los Angeles
and decided to pull the trigger and get the mobs
out there on the streets to wreak havoc. And you know,
I suspect that this is going to blow up in
their faces. The American public doesn't really look kindly at
people waving foreign flows, throwing bricks at law enforcement officers,
starting fires, creating all kinds of mayhem, burning self driving
vehicles on the freeway. So it follows a familiar pattern.
We've seen this countless times over the past few years.
And I guess we're going to see how the Trump
administration handles this one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, as you say, we have seen this movie before.
We're all familiar with what happened to this country in
the long hot summer of twenty twenty, driven by the
Marxist in the Black Lives Matter movement. A lot of
the same players are involved in this, many of the
same resistors, so to speak. We'll delve into that in
just a moment. But the American people, as you note,
according to the latest polling, absolutely behind the Trump administration.
I think CBS poll shows fifty four percent of Americans
believe in the deportation of illegal immigrants, and they certainly
support law and order. We are seeing exactly the opposite
from this Democrat party. How much of this what we're
seeing play out in the streets of Los Angeles and
I think soon in many other places this summer. How
much of this is on the hands of congressional Democrat
leaders like Hakeem Jeffries who talk about dosing identifying ice
law enforcement officials who are simply doing their jobs and
giving their identities out to the same sort of lunatics
who are burning down our cities.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, that's a very dangerous game to play.
You are really jeopardizing the lives and the safety of
the law enforcement officers who are out there doing the
jobs that they were assigned to do. Look, you know,
Hakeem Jeffries has every right, like just like the rest
of us, to oppose the policies of any particular administration.
He is actually in a very powerful position. If he
doesn't think this is the way it ought to be done,
then you know he ought to use his role as
the House Minority leader to try to affect some kind
of change. You know, as you pointed out, the American
public is not necessarily on his side, but he's certainly
entitled to his freedom of expression, as are all the
people around the country who might be opposed to this.
Speaker 2: But where it crosses the.
Speaker 3: Line is when you start doing what we're seeing happening
right now in Los Angeles, people engaging in violence that
is not protest. That that is insurrection. That is violence.
It can't be tolerated.
Speaker 2: And you know, you.
Speaker 3: Mentioned Gavin Newsom. You haven't mentioned Karen Bass yet. You know,
she wasn't she at least was not in Ghana this time.
Speaker 1: She was right there indeed, speaking speaking of the wildfires
and another debacle on the hands of Karen Bass and
Gavin Newsom, right.
Speaker 3: Yes, absolutely, so you know, they were not doing very
much to quell the violence.
Speaker 2: In fact, you know, some of their rhetoric was as
you like with.
Speaker 3: Haakim Jeffreys also contributed to this. So you know, unfortunately,
the Washington administration in Washington cannot sit around and wait
for Karen Bass or Gavin Newsom to do something about it,
because you know, whatever didn't burn down in January could
possibly be burning down now as a result. So you know,
we need to have the federal government step up. It
would be great if they could get local cooperation on
this matter, but it doesn't seem that it's going to happen.
But they need to do something to make sure that
the people that they're sending.
Speaker 2: Out there to enforce our laws are kept safe.
Speaker 3: That protest, which is certainly something that people are entitled
to do, is peaceful and done through the proper ways.
If they want to change the policies, that's something for
them to advocate, but what we're seeing now is just
simply unacceptable.
Speaker 1: Well, that's a powerful statement you just made, Ira about
Los Angeles, much of Los Angeles burning in the wildfires
by a natural disaster that was precipitated in no small
part from public officials in Los Angeles. And now you
have an unnatural disaster once again, pushed and driven in
no small part by Los Angeles public officials. I'm going
to get your take on Trump advisor Stephen Miller posting
on x just a while ago. Steven Miller says the
threat being made here by Mayor Bass is explicit. The
mayor of LA is effectively saying the mob violence is
caused by the mere presence of Ice in the city,
and the violence against Ice will not stop unless federal
law enforcement is withdrawn from the city. This is the
definition of insurrection. LA and California leadership demand the right
to illegally import unlimited foreigners into America, to control America's
entire immigration policy by FIAT, and if they are not
so permitted, they will allow mobs to target Ice with impunity.
What do you think of Steven Miller's assessment and assertions here.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, certainly the local officialists, as you point
out in California, have been stirring the pot.
Speaker 2: You know this was an inevitable result.
Speaker 3: You know, as I said before, that they were just
waiting for the pretense to or the pretext to trigger
these sorts of events. And certainly, you know, I'm not
going to blame Karen Basso Gavin Newsom for the violence,
but they certainly have not.
Speaker 2: Done as much as they could to stop it.
Speaker 3: And when you have the mayor kind of siding with
the writers saying, you know that they the real bad
guys here are the law enforcement officers who are sent
out to do their jobs. That just adds fuel to
this fire. And it is unnecessary, it's irresponsible. But you know,
this has been a consistent pattern in California for quite
some time. Look, I mean, California probably has about four
congressional seats that are due to the illegal Aalian population.
You know, we count illegal aliens for reapportionment every ten years,
and so California with its very large illegal alien population,
it contributes to more political power for California.
Speaker 2: Also more federal money flowing.
Speaker 3: Its way, you know, that's one of the determinations and
where federal federal dollars go. So you know that they
have other motives, perhaps for wanting to see our immigration
laws go unforced.
Speaker 2: But you know.
Speaker 3: That's not the real reason for having immigration laws to
increase in number of federal dollars that California receives.
Speaker 2: And we simply cannot.
Speaker 3: Tolerate mayors and governors siding with rioters over federal law enforcement.
Speaker 1: Well, you have tracked the numbers for a long time
at fair What kind of numbers of illegal immigrants legal
aliens are we talking about in California? Because once again,
ICE is merely doing its job in enforcing the law
and apprehending and then ultimately deporting illegal immigrants in Los Angeles,
some of them very violent, to some of them with
long criminal records. All of that said, what are the
kind of numbers we're looking at in Los Angeles and
in California? And suffice to say, I believe those numbers
are pretty daunting for the Trump administration in ICE.
Speaker 3: They are it's about three point two million in California.
You know, I would imagine that there is a disproportional
amount of that in the greater Los Angeles area, So
it is quite significant, and it is costing the it's
costing taxpayers there. And you know, it's not just the
federal dollars coming in it's state and local dollars going
out to provide education, healthcare, a whole range of human
services that they provide.
Speaker 2: And this has been.
Speaker 3: The political objective of California leaders for quite some time.
You know, you go up to Sacramento, it seems that
they spend most of their time framing up new benefits
and services that they can provide to illegal aliens. You know,
kind of a surprise. Gavin Newsom just recently came out
with a statement saying that, you know, maybe California cannot
afford to provide health insurance coverage to every illegal alien
in the state. You know, it's an acknowledgment of the
reality and the fact that California is facing a budget
depicit in part due to the costs of illegal immigration.
But look, you know, I guess you reach a tipping
point when you have large constituencies that are illegal aliens.
Then you know, you start to see the local politicians
cater to that group of people. And what we're also
seeing at the same time is that long standing California
as people who have lived there perhaps for generations, are
picking up and moving elsewhere. So you know, it is
sort of a toxic situation. That feedes on itself, and
somewhere along the line you have to say enough is enough.
We're going to pull the plug on this. We are
going to recognize that our obligation is to do what
is right for the legal residents of our state. But
I don't think California has reached that point yet.
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Speaker 1: Dot Org. And as you mentioned, Ira, it's not just
California paying the freight. It is every taxpayer in this
country paying for these programs, paying for these benefits, paying
for these welfare initiatives, and the rest of America should
have something to say. Certainly, as illegal immigrants, along with
leftist activists, tried to rip up and tear down a
major American city, Our guest today is Ira Melman of
the Federation for American Immigration Reform or Fair on the
expected chaos the left has wrought in Los Angeles in
defense of the illegal alien invasion. How much has the
accomplice media, corporate media, the Pravda press played into this era.
I'm looking at a Wall Street Journal piece today. The
headline is the White House marching orders that sparked the
La migrant crackdown, while Steve Journal goes on to say,
after deportations fell short of President Trump's campaign promises, federal
agents summoned to a meeting in Washington, we're told to quote,
just go out there and arrest illegal aliens. And then
this interesting assertion from the White House or from the
Wall Street Journal. The administration's immigration enforcement is a sharp
break with past government practices, according to attorneys, immigration advocates,
and officials from previous administrations, A duh, to put it
in the parlance of my teenage kids, and b what
were we doing before this? And obviously the answer to
anybody whose tracked history is we've just allowed an invasion
under all kinds of different administrations on the right and
left in this country for all different kinds of reasons.
What say you to this Wall Street Journal report.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, this.
Speaker 3: Is the Wall Street Journal, which is not necessarily as
you know, far out there as say the New York
Times or the Washington Post.
Speaker 2: And you're right, I mean that they have The.
Speaker 3: Wall Street Journal particular has catered to the business interest
desire to have lots and lots of cheap labor here.
You know, the Wall Street Journal has you know, sort
of taken a former stand against the illegal immigration over
recent years, but they still want that cheap labor coming in.
And you know, again, you know, it gets back to
this idea that you know, we should never enforce our
immigration laws unless we're talking about really violent criminals. And
obviously any law enforcement agency focuses it's it makes us
a priority to remove people who pose a danger to
the community, a serious danger. But that doesn't mean that
they stop enforcing other laws. And ironically, you know, California
is probably the perfect example of that kind of mindset.
You know, we saw where they just basically decriminalized all sorts.
Speaker 2: Of things, and so you know, you had rampant.
Speaker 3: Shoplifting, which led to businesses going out of business. You know,
all the things that came as a result of not
enforcing those laws. So yes, I mean ICE does prioritize
the removal of gang members, the removal people with criminal records,
But at the same time, like any other law enforcement agency,
it doesn't mean that they overlook every other offense. So,
you know, just because they are violent criminals out of
the streets doesn't mean that if a cop sees you shoplifting,
that the cop isn't going to arrest you. And this
is precisely what ICE has been doing. They prioritizing the
really bad guys, but they're also making it clear that
you're not going to get a free pass, you're not
guaranteed that you're going to be allowed to remain in
the country, even if you're not a criminal, and that
affects the mindset of the people who come to the
United States illegally. People have been coming here in large
numbers because they believed, and for a very good reason,
that they were not going to be bothered once they
got here, that ICE was not going to enforce the
laws against them.
Speaker 2: Now the administration is sending a signal saying.
Speaker 3: Hey, you know, there is a chance that you know,
we might stumble upon you, and if we do you're
going to be.
Speaker 2: Removed from the country.
Speaker 3: And quite frankly, this is the way we enforce most
civil laws in the United States. Perfect example is the
highway patrol. When they want to enforce the speed limit,
they don't pull over every speeder. They establish a presence
on the highway. The rest of us get the message
and slow down. The IRS audits a few tax returns.
The rest of us get the message, double check our
returns before we file. This is precisely what ICE is doing,
and it's the model that's effective when it comes to
enforcing these kinds of laws.
Speaker 1: So let me ask you this. You noted this before.
The Wall Street Journal has indeed absolutely stood by the
drive over decades upon decades of cheap labor flooding into
the country through illegal immigration. How much of this has
to do what we are seeing on the streets of
la what we are seeing in the battle grounds across
the country. How much of this has to do with
Republican led policy on cheap labor? And what happened to
the Democrats who you don't have to go too far back,
fighting and railing against illegal immigrants in this country taking
away good paying American union factory jobs.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean even Bernie Sanders was saying that, you know,
not that many years ago. So yes, I mean you
have the situation where, for different reasons, you know, the
two parties come to the same conclusion. For years, you've
had sort of the Wall Street wing of the Republican
Party saying, hey, you know, if we can get people
to come in here and work really cheaply, that's great
for business. And by the way, it's not cheap labor.
We don't have cheap labor in the United States. What
we have subsidized labor.
Speaker 1: That's right.
Speaker 3: So you know, when a company hires an Nellie Glialien
working at low wages, they're just shifting the cost to
somebody else, namely the taxpayers.
Speaker 2: We pay for education, we pay for healthcare, we pay for.
Speaker 3: The whole range of things that these human beings understandably
need once they get here. On the Democratic side, you know,
there was a time where they were concerned about American workers,
and they abandoned that probably ten fifteen years ago, decided
that they were going to get behind the illegal aliens.
You know, we talked about this before, where they saw
this influx of low wage workers as a constituency.
Speaker 2: These are people who rely on government services.
Speaker 3: You're always going to get a better deal from the
Democrats when it comes to government services and hands outs,
and this was the way they were going to build
their new coalition.
Speaker 2: It turns out in the last election it didn't work.
Speaker 3: You saw record numbers of Hispanic voters, Black voters shifting
to Trump, and a lot of it was due to
the fact that he recognized the impact that massive legal
immigration having on these workers. So it was a failed
model that the Democrats were looking at when they were
trying to establish a permit majority here. But you know,
it's still out there. You still have the ideologues who
basically believe in open borders and want to just flood
the country with as many people as they possibly can.
So we're going to have to keep pushing through this.
And you know, as you point out, the media have
not just the Wall Street journal been saying, Hey, you know,
it's isis presence that's causing this, not the people who
are throwing the bricks.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that really is a twisted bit of logic from
some people who have twisted logic for a long time
in so many different areas on the left, everything of course,
from men and women's sports to the border invasion and beyond.
You have seen it play out in this country over
and over again. So all of this said, and the media,
corporate media working overtime to to embellish and push this
false narrative that by law enforcement, federal law enforcement officials
trying to restore order, they are in fact creating disorder.
I love some of the statements that we're hearing from,
just just the insane statements we're hearing from some very
high ranking public officials and media members that if ice
would in the federal government, the Trump administration would just
let these kids have some fun and watch some property
burn and smash up some stores and loot some positions.
Let them do it. This all this would play play out.
It wouldn't be a big deal. Yeah, I think Americans
under stand that. But I guess what I'm asking, Ira,
is how long does America, the majority of Americans have
Trumps back on this whole issue.
Speaker 3: You know, we will see, you know, the American public
does get tired of the violence that they see.
Speaker 2: You know, you mentioned the summer of twenty twenty.
Speaker 3: You know, we have now seen for the past twenty
months or so what has been going on in college
campuses that you know, it becomes pretty evident pretty quickly
that they're just exploiting a situation to advance other causes
and other interests that are not shared widely by the
American people, even if they may have some sympathy for
the illegal immigrants who are being targeted for removal.
Speaker 2: So, as I said, it could very.
Speaker 3: Well backfire on, you know, the people who are behind
these insurrections. But nevertheless, in the short term at least,
it's going to be rough on people in Los Angeles.
Speaker 2: And other areas.
Speaker 3: So you know, it is going to be incumbent on
this administration to make it clear that this is not
going to affect their policies. And in fact, the best way,
as I said before, to really address this issue is
to make it clear to people that if you come
to the United States illegally, don't think you're going to
just be able to stay here with no consequence whatever.
Speaker 2: And what we need to do.
Speaker 3: The best way to enforce this law is to get
people to decide it's not in their interest to remain here,
to pick up and go home because they're not going
to succeed in what it is that they came here
to do. That is the most effective way. And if
we just show the resolve, if we are consistent in this,
you're going to see people actually picking up and returning home.
We're already seeing it. But you know, it has to
be sustained and there has to be support for this,
and it really isn't helpful to have people like them
of Los Angeles to the governor of California undermining this effort.
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Speaker 1: Two questions for you on that front from what you
mentioned a bit ago, are Democrats in the party party officials.
Are they fighting so hard against all of this because
they fear losing their constituency if Trump is successful? And
we talked about it the outside of our conversation today,
many of these groups that are backing all of this
are the same players we saw in twenty twenty in
the BLM movement at the time. Who are the major
players in all of this, Well, you.
Speaker 3: Know, you've got people obviously like George Soros who have
been backing many of these organizations. You've got people like
Nevil Roy Singham and Jody Ebanssee's who are the funders
of Code Pink. They actually reside in China. So you know,
we're seeing all sorts of ways to you know, outside
influence coming in here. And really what they're trying to
do is so you know, the seeds of descent here
in the United States and to point that out, we're
seeing this over and over again. You know, I guess
we're going to continue to see this as long as
they believe that they're making headway.
Speaker 2: But we have to.
Speaker 3: Stand resolute in making it clear that we have immigration
policies for a reason. They are there to protect the
interests of the American public, and we're going to enforce
those laws and that people who oppose this do have
an outlet to express their discontent about it. But we're
not going to let them just run rampant over our cities.
Speaker 1: And what about the first question regarding the Democrats, this
seems to be such a losing issue for them. Do
they really believe and I'm talking about party Democrats now,
people in positions of authority within the party, do they
really believe this stuff that they're saying that most Americans
look at and go, wow, that's pretty nutty. Or is
this really about power for them? Do they really fear
that if Trump is successful in removing a significant number
the legal immigrants, at least the kind of numbers that
were brought in that that were allowed an open door
during the Biden administration, that they're going to lose their
current and future constituencies.
Speaker 3: You know, everything is about political power when you talk
to politicians. You know, what we saw after the election
that you know, there was like maybe momentarily some soul searching,
you know, where did we go wrong? There seemed to
be some acknowledgment about the fact that the open border
wasn't such a great idea, but you know, maybe they're
reverting back to the norm here that they see this
as an opportunity.
Speaker 2: You know, they think they can create.
Speaker 3: The public perception that the Trump administration is going too
far and try to capitalize on that. You know, it's
hard to get inside inside their brains and to figure
out exactly what their motives are, but it could be
a variety of reasons.
Speaker 2: I mean, you've got.
Speaker 3: The ideological left in the Democratic Party that simply wants
open borders. You have you know, the more establishment Democrats
who are looking for ways to regain power. You know,
they are kind of in the wilderness right now. So
you know, this should be a bi partisan issue. This
affects the lives of their constituents. The voters made it
very clear in the last election that they want enforcement
of immigration laws, that they don't think open borders.
Speaker 2: Are a good idea, and they certainly.
Speaker 3: Don't want people coming to the United States and creating
the kind of havoc that we've seen over.
Speaker 2: The past few days in La Okay.
Speaker 1: To that havoc quickly, once again, you mentioned a lot
of this is an outside job. You know, a lot
of money coming in from people who live in countries that,
let's face it, aren't real friendly to the United States
of America. But how much of this is an inside job?
I think about the Ford Founding and some others like it,
which had been feeding this kind of movement for a
long time. Quite frankly, what boils down to a lawless
movement in America?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Absolutely, you know you mentioned the Ford Foundation. There
are others, you know, really deep pockets. They have been
funding this sort of thing for quite some time. We
saw it throughout the Biden administration. We also saw that
in some cases you had government money going to NGOs
that were actually encouraging people to come across the border illegally.
So yeah, I mean there is a big, kind of
established network out there that has benefited tremendously politically and
otherwise from the chaos at the borders from mass illegal immigration.
Speaker 2: And they're going to keep edit.
Speaker 3: Obviously, the American public needs to confront this, but you know,
we are dealing with people not just outside the country,
but people who inside the country are fomenting this sort
of behavior.
Speaker 1: Final question for you, and we've touched upon it throughout
our conversation, but how much is this problem the problem
of the invasion, the problem of mass illegal immigration in
this country. How much is that costing the American taxpayer
on an annimal basis, Oh, the.
Speaker 3: Net cost is about one hundred and fifty one billion
dollars a year. And you know, it's also in addition
to the dollar amount. You know, we're now seeing the
social cost of what is going on on the streets
of Los Angeles. You know, there have been other places.
Speaker 2: Where it's kind of flared up.
Speaker 3: But you know, as you point out that this has
been a long standing problem, it's not entirely the fault
of the Democrats.
Speaker 2: We've seen this under.
Speaker 3: A democratic administration's Republican administrations.
Speaker 2: And you know, we wouldn't be going.
Speaker 3: Through this if we hadn't allowed, uh, you know, and
by our estimate, about eighteen point six million illegal aliens
to settle in this country.
Speaker 2: We were now.
Speaker 3: Reaping the consequences of years and years of neglect of
this policy that have led to these huge populations of
illegal aliens. And you know, now you have an administration
that is committed to doing something about it. And you know,
a lot of people who have benefited from the status
quo are not happy about what it is going on
right now.
Speaker 1: I said, final question. You know, as journalists we never
have a final question. You just ultimately give up, but
I do. Here it is. Here is my presumed final
question for you. How much of this madness, this chaos
that we are seeing play out nightly from Los Angeles
and what may play out across this country over this
a long, hot summer ahead. How much of that is
the responsibility of the US Supreme Court were at the
very least dallying not continencing these lower activist courts, particularly
the circuit courts in America.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean that's kind of a hard question to answer.
I mean, obviously, you know, if you didn't have these
activist judges blocking efforts to remove people or to enforce laws,
it would be somewhat easier. But you know, the political
side of this, I'm not sure would have been affected
all that much. You still would have had all these
groups that we talked about, all of these foundations funding
what has been going on. You know that they have
enjoyed the run that they've had for quite some time,
and they're just not going to give up without a fight,
or you know, even if it means doing what they're
doing in Los Angeles right now. Clearly, you know the courts,
having these activist judges throwing up roadblocks constantly is helpful,
but I'm not sure it necessarily would have affected the
political situation that we're dealing with that much.
Speaker 1: Hira. You said it before we came on the air today,
that thirty thirty five minutes wasn't going to do what
we could spend a lot longer talking about just the
mayhem we're seeing today. We'll have to have you back
on the Federalist Radio Hours soon, and hopefully we get
some positive movement on this front in the coming days
and weeks and months ahead.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it will be interesting, to say the least.
Speaker 1: Indeed, thanks to my guest today, Ira Melman of the
Federation for American Immigration Reform or FAIR, you've been listening
to another edition of the Federalist Radio Hour. I'm Matt Kittle,
Senior Elections correspondent at the Federalist. We'll be back soon
with more. Until then, stay lovers of freedom and anxious
for the fray