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Speaker 1: Today's guest is somewhat of an ambassador for a man

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who had a UFO alien abduction experience in nineteen eighty seven.

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Some of the claims that he's bringing to the table

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is that a religion is misunderstood, that people have misunderstood

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the teachings and works of Christ and have perverted the teachings.

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That Earth is a place where souls are supposed to

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incarnate to see if they'll be able to be let

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into another planet. Some of these claims may seem a

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little bit far fetched.

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Speaker 2: Even claims that the Tomb of Christ is not in Jerusalem,

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that it's actually in Japan, and that Jesus and the

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Christ may have been two different individuals. So a lot

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of different things in there that are question marks.

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Speaker 1: Did aliens build the pyramids, lost technology, levitation, telepathy, all

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of these things are covered in this episode and more

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of the Truth Seeker and Aaron podcast Stay tuned, merging

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the two topics of UFOs aliens, extra dimensional extraterrestrial beings,

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and the caveat for us, which is the icing on

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the cake is Jesus and how all these kind of

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work together in your story and the message that you're

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bringing So I know this is going to be a

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great interview. Again, welcome to the podcast. If you want

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to go ahead and start by kind of giving a

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brief intro, who you are, what you do, and why

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you're here.

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Speaker 3: Well, I was born in Beijing, China in nineteen seventy eight.

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Came to the US at the age of fifteen and

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went to UC Berkeley, and now I'm a lawyer and

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also a certified court interpreter and the Chinese translator. The

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reason that I really want to talk about the book

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is that this book really convinced me to follow the

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teachings of Christ. Because in the past, even though I

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went to the church in Los Angeles, I did not

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believe anything within the Bible. I went to the church

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for social reasons to expand my social network and business opportunities. However,

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after reading this book, Theoba Prophecy, it really convinced me

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that the right way to live is to follow the

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teachings of Christ.

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Speaker 1: And so this book, The Thiabo Prophecy, is that close enough.

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It was written by Michelle how do you pronounce the

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last name?

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Speaker 4: Demarque?

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Speaker 1: And it was originally titled here the Journey to the

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Nice Planet or the adduction to the nice planet.

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Speaker 4: Yes, exactly.

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Speaker 1: So this is a claim that he experienced an abduction

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scenario phenomena and he was taken aboard a spacecraft, a

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blue spacecraft, to the nice planet Thabo.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Actually, the book talks about his encounters with the Ets,

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who are highly advanced and have been a very advanced civilization,

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who took him to their planet called Theoba for nine

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days and then came back. And the book actually answers

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a lot of the questions about the paranormal, about the

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ancient civilizations, about how the mind is so powerful, and

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the miracles that Christ performed after he began preaching. Also

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about the dangers facing Earth right now, the real dangers

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number one money, number two politicians, number three journalists and drugs,

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and number four organized religions. So this is actually the

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book explains what happened in the past where we all

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came from originally, and the creation of the universe, and

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human beings as versus ets, and all the things about

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the pyramid and the Bermuda Triangle, ghosts and spirits and

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everything is splained in the book in very logical and

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reasonable manner. It makes common sense, perfect sense to me.

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Speaker 2: So one thing that as we were kind of doing

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an overview of the material, that strikes us as unusual,

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at least for me, like it's something I had never

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heard before, was that there's a tomb for Jesus Christ

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in Japan. But you know, a lot of the Western

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Church goes to Jerusalem to visit the tomb that Christ

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supposedly resurrected out of So can you speak a little

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bit to those discrepancies And is that addressed in the

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book at all?

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Speaker 3: Yes, the book toxic extensively the reasons why there's a

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tomb of Jesus in Japan that's not a tomb for Christ,

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but the tomb for Jesus. Actually, that's the main reason

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that I'm convinced everything within the book is true because

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the book was written in nineteen eighty nine. He had

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an encounter in nineteen eighty seven. It took him two

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years to read a book and got the book published

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in nineteenninety three, way or many years before internet arrived

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in Australia where it became popular. And he was actually

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a landscaper in Kain's Queensland, Australia, who didn't have a

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lot of education, who did not know how to type

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on computer now to say, how to search online in

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later years when the Internet went to Australia. So the

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book described in detail that matched the descriptions that you

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can find nowadays about the tomb of Jesus in Japan,

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and also answers the question why there's no record in

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the Bible of Jesus performing miracles before the age of thirty,

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before he began preaching, and also explains why some people

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say that Jesus went to India, and also explains how

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and why Christ died on the cross and then resurrected

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three days after what Christ was teaching us about the

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spirituality and love and also life after death and all

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the things that he was preaching. And also I think

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this book explains everything that happened as described in the

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Bible very logically, talking about how Jesus was born from

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Virgin Mary, from the embryo that was put into the

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uterus of Virgin Mary to catch people's attention that someone

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special or miraculous was going to be born this way,

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and so the king Herold was paranoid and killing so

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many big babies at that time, and then how Jesus

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went to India and through China and to Japan, and

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then how Christ came to us and then started to

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preach about spirituality and all the things that's described in

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the Bible, and this book explains perfectly how everything was connected.

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Speaker 1: We're going to get more into that, into the teachings

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of Jesus and his life and his impact on your

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life and how you began reading the Bible and how

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this book kind of was the caveat for you to

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start believing in Jesus and reading the Bible for yourself.

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But let's get more into Michelle's experience and encounter, Like

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I always want to know, like how did this happen?

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Does he go into detail about when he saw the

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craft or if he even saw it, how the abduction

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phenomena happened, and what did the beings look like? Because

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I know he talks about all types of other anomalies

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and like giants, what is it cockroaches or ants and

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things like that that he saw on other planets that

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he was shown. But what did the beings look like?

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And how did this abduction scenario take place for him?

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Speaker 3: First of all, there are different kinds of eteys. You know,

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multivid galaxies are rare advanced such as the ones that

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the Aarthur Michelle encountered. Some are not so advanced, such

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as the ones that their spacecraft crashed down Earth in

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which the US government has been working with the Grace.

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nero ten foot tall, they're lorded looking. They're hermaphrodites, meaning

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that they have both male and female sexual organs, so

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they are a compassionate beings.

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Speaker 4: They don't die.

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Speaker 3: They can generate and regenerate their body cells and tissues.

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They can perform all the miracles that Christ performed, and

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they can actually communicate through telepathy. They can limit it.

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They can materialize or manifest objects. They can project images

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to people's minds. They can also heal all the diseases

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you can think of. They are all importent beans, but

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there are also ET's that exist in the universe. And

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they tell Michelle that there are different kindst's And actually

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they presented to Michelle the other different kinds of ets

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on their planet. And it actually happened in June nineteeny

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seven in Keynes, Australia. It happened in the middle of

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the night. Michelle didn't know why but he woke up suddenly.

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He did not know why, but he wrote a note

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to his wife saying that he'll begun for ten days

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or so and there's absolutely no need to worry about him.

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And he walks outside of his house and then he

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was lifted up to the mid air where he saw

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Et wearing spacesuit. And then he was told that he

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was going to have a journey together for about nine

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or ten days or so and he would be come

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back safely. So they started journey, and they stopped at

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the planet in which appeared to be the aftermath of

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nuclear destruction a nuclear war, in which he saw gigantic

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and cockroaches and things like that. And so this is

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what happened. Basically, he was told a lot of information

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and knowledge about the paranormal and the pyramid, things like that.

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Speaker 1: You know, one thing I find interesting about a lot

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of these experiences and claims now is that a lot

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of these things that he was talking about in nineteen

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eighty nine are things that we're talking about now. Free energy,

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free technology, being able to levitate objects the body using

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sound frequencies and sound waves, which is some type of

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information that in the past seems to be suppressed, but

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I think there's a resurgence with knowledge and with the

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Internet and with a lot of people's experiences and stories

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that are coming back to the forefront. So that's something

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that's very interesting that I think a lot of the

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abduction scenarios have in common, or I think a better

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term now that we hear a lot more is they

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don't even call themselves adeptease, but they call themselves contact

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these or experiencers, And it's something that I guess the

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abduction term had like a negative connotation where they were

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taken against their will, But there's so many humans now

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who are like wanting to facilitate and wanting to have

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a experience like this, and I think that they're having it.

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lot of people are having their own genuine contact experiences

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and are coming too similar conclusions about life, spirituality, advanced technology,

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about Jesus and all of these things. So there's this

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commonality that a lot of people are finding when it

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comes to extraterrestrial beings, and you know where we are

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in the state of the world. And while there's a

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need for this type of higher information, higher knowledge that's

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coming from these helpers if you.

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Speaker 3: Will, exactly, and the book explains how anti gravitational technology works,

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how they were able to build a great pyramid in

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our ancient past where we had very advanced civilization, but

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then we had a great reset. There are actually two

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main great resets main in the history of Main China Earth.

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This is why when we see these statutes on Eastrae Island,

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Pung Ku and some of the megalistic structures in Latin

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America and parts of Asia, we sometimes wonder how those

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structures the buildings were built. In fact, when you can

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if you can neutralize gravity, you see a variation of frequency,

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you can make the huge stones become witless without weight,

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and this is how they did it. And in the

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past people in the past, in ancient civilizations, they had

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the knowledge to do this, but then because of something

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happened natural designs there something else happened that the civilization

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was lost and the technology.

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Speaker 4: Was also lost.

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Speaker 3: So this is the book actually explains everything what happened

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in our past and how the stories or the events

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descressing the Bible came about, so everything makes perfect sense.

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I strongly encourage people to check out the book and

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to reading more details.

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Speaker 2: So were there any warnings or anything, or was the

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main goal of his visit with these beings just to

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share information and kind of show what's possible and give

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information about the past or were there any warnings or

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kind of like we're on the wrong path at the

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moment as a planet.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Actually they wanted to show us how civilizations, the people

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in the different civilizations lived in the past, for example

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in Limoria or the continent move and also at Lentists

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Speaker 4: In the past, as well as the.

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Speaker 3: Warnings nowadays, especially the technology technological development. And the book

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was written in nineteen eighty nine before the internet event

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of internet, and nowadays we have the Internet, we have

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AI and everyone is focusing a lot on the technologies

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and well accumulations. And the book once against that, saying

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that we focus too much on the materialistic aspect of life,

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to experience, to have spiritual experience, to learn the spiritual lessons,

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which is the essence of life on earth. So it

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talks about how the cycle of life develops, goes on,

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and also the creations of human beings as well as

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the ets in the universe. Specifically, it talks about when

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the Creator, which is a pure spirit, and this is

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why Catholic Church people believe that God does not have

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a face, so it's a pure spirit. So when the

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Creator created everything, it inserted a tiny portion of itself

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to each other astrobodies. So we are part of the

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Creator and the Creator is part of us. So through

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our physical bodies, the Creator experiences everything through us and

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we send constant feedback to the Creator. So in essence,

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we can communicate to the Creator directly through meditation, through prayers,

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without going through intermediary agency like the church or organized religions,

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so we can really learn and experience everything we experience

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and without really have to report to the pastor the priests.

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to experience everything and to elevate our spirituality.

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Speaker 1: So you know, he was shown essentially why earth exists.

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soul incarnates here to develop itself. Does he talk about

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once the soul develops itself, will it be let into

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these other planets or dimensions. Once we are able to

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get out the evil or the wickedness out of our

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astrobody or out of our soul. Once we're able to

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deal with it here, that we're elevated up to higher dimensions,

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which many Christians may call a type of heaven or

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something like that, or New Jerusalem. That I think the

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Bible is clear that the evil are actually on the

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outside of the New Jerusalem, like they actually won't be

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let in, and it almost kind of seems like it's

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this parallel story of what we're experiencing on Earth where

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we're here, and that there's wickedness here and all the

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things that are mentioned of the evil people that we

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commit such heinous acts as well as beautiful acts as well.

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Let's you know, not negate that, but to see Earth

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as this kind of training ground to see who's going

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to be let in and if you can be trusted

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in the next life of the world to come. Can

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you give us a little bit more information about what

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he said about kind of Earth being this training ground

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for the soul.

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Speaker 3: Exactly Earth, according to the ETS, it's just like elementary

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schools for us to learn the basic principles of life,

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how spiritual lessons, and then we can graduate and move

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up the ladder and to go to maybe middle school,

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high school, or college. And the ets from Fiova they're

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not God, they're not the Creator. They're the ets from

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for example, like a college, Harvard or Yo. So they

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actually kind of guide us and serve as our mentor

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giving us nudges occasionally sometimes directly, sometimes indirectly, and they

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really respect our free will. So my kind of speculation

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that when we read the Bible, we tend to read

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a lot of parables. For example, the concept free will

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is one of the concepts that portrayed as a parable

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in a parable in the Bible, when you are told

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not to eat an apple from a tree, but you

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exercise your free will, and still is it that you

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have to face the consequences. So that's actually a parable

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for a free will, and that's probably the reason why

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we have so many deviations on earth from the right path.

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say that you should look inside for answers, for the

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Kingdom of God is within you. You should really you

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shouldn't worship idols. So this is the concept of the

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Old Testament. Follow the ten commandments and don't worship idols.

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Because the King of God is within you. You don't

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need to worship idols because you can connect to the source,

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the Creator directly. And once we pass, once we die,

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our astro body leaves a physical body, and then there's

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going to be a lifely real process in which everything

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will be shown to you. You're going to be able

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to experience and feel how you felt as well as

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how others felt. It's like a holographic film in which

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we experienced everything. So this is actually talked about by

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a lot of people who have had neu deathic experiences.

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And then you're going to understand everything that happened from

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the birth, from your birth to the moment that you pass,

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you died, and then you're going to realize what kind

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of things you did, correctly or incorrectly. You're going to

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have a self evaluation. But because you are part of

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the Creator and the Creator is part of you, is

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also in a sense the judgment by the Creator or

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by God. So in essence, you evaluate everything you did

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and then you determine what kind of spiritual lessons you

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learn in your next life.

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Speaker 4: And you can live on earth.

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Speaker 3: You can if you purify your soul or your spirit,

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you can move up and to live on a better planet,

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a different category of planet, and then when you reach

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certain levels of different cycles, you can actually live on

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a category nine or the planet in which the Thetubans

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came from. It's like a paradise. Everything is so perfect.

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But in between, before you really move up the letter,

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you are going to have a very blasful feeling in

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which a lot of ND people experienced, So that feels

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like in heaven. But that's kind of like an intermediary

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stage before the cycle continues. In essence, this is reported

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or reported by Michelle according to the Ets. Actually he

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was led by the Etist to see how he lived

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in different lifetimes on different planets. And we do learn

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the basic principles on Earth, but we can really live

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on a different planet and then we can actually join

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and rejoin.

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Speaker 4: The Creator or the great Ether, the pure Spirit.

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Speaker 3: This is how things go as a cycle for human

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beings on Earth as well as for the Ets.

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Speaker 2: So it's it's like a filter, like a filtering process

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where we go through these levels and these planets and

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purify ourselves to the best of our abilities, and then

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once we are complete on this journey, we go to

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the next level per se, Like let's say we graduated

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Earth School, we go to the next level, and the

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next level, the ultimate goal is to be completely rejoined

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with the creative spirit, the ether force.

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Speaker 4: Exactly. You nailed it. And they use the word filter

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in the book as well.

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Speaker 1: Nice. Yes, it's interesting too. Was like we've kind of

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studying satellites and how these satellites are almost like this

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this border or this planet or sphere that kind of

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watches another one like I'm gonna, you know, look over

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your shoulder kind of thing. And it's almost how we

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were looking at these different satellite planets. Will say that

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when I say satellite, a satellite planet such as the

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Moon and things like that, and so each planet has

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moons and satellites that are kind of watching over it

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or protecting it, and they act as filters as well,

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the Moon even controlling the tides of the water for

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our planet. Right, but it almost seems like Earth is

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a satellite or a filter for for Heaven. Right, Like

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this is you have to pass through this this veil

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first to see if you can purify yourself enough to

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get in. And you know, whoever designed this, right, the ets,

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or or or God or both together. I think they

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did a pretty good job because I think, you know,

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we would, you know, want heaven on earth or want

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this perfect, perfect world. But we're not perfect people, right,

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so we have to kind of go through these processes

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to get the inconsistencies and get the impurities out so

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that we can be refined as something beautiful that that

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can be let in and not corrupt or hurt the

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you know, the beings or the people are brothers and

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sisters who are already there, so you know, and I

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see that sentiment all through the Bible as well, and

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kind of that that that reasoning and this these cycles

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of incarnation, if you will. And so with that being said,

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there's a term that's being used a lot now called

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the simulation theory and wondering if Earth or this reality

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is a simulation that is being performed by higher beings,

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more advanced beings, futuristic humans at that this simulation theory.

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Have you heard about that and do you have any

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any thoughts? So maybe that can coexist in this you know,

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maybe it's just another word for some of the things

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we've been talking about.

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Speaker 3: I heard I've heard about that, and I hear you

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as well. And in my mind and my speculation is

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that we are people living on earth trying to experience

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everything and trying to respond to the challenges in life.

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Speaker 4: So this is a way to learn spiritual lessons.

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Speaker 3: And there are certain events and things that are predestined

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to happen, but we also have a free will to

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respond to the challenges and to those events that are

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predestined to happen. So it's like we are students taking exam.

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The questions on exam are already made by the examiners,

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and we are the students trying to respond to the questions.

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We can fail, and we can also excel get a

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hendred score. So it really up to our free will

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how to prepare ourselves, how to study the exam and

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to get a perfect score.

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Speaker 4: And also, if you fail the.

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Speaker 3: Exam, you're going to retake it. So this is actually

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the reason why I firmly believe we should follow the

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teachings of Christ, because that's a way to excel and

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to get a perfect score on exam.

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Speaker 1: How many how many times can we can we take

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that exam? Have we been? Was there a certain number?

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Is this infinite? Because I took my driving test about

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five times before I passed it. Is there a certain

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amount of times we can do this over and over

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until we get it right? Or is there like, hey,

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you know what I'm saying, like a one and done

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kind of thing, or you know, the Bible talks about

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like two deaths, like a second death kind of thing.

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Is is there a number until you, like you, you know,

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descend into a lower realm if that you know, a

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hellish realm or something.

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Speaker 3: I mean, there's no number. You can take it as

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many times as you need to. But for me, I

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really want to graduate as quickly as possible to go

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to Hommers, So I want to follow the teachers of Christ.

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But if you don't, then you can retake it. And also,

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according to the ETS, hell is actually imagination of the

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people from the church. There's not like a hell when

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you die, but you're going to suffer tells you're going

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to experience the people that you mistreated. For example, Hitler

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killed so many people and then he when he passes,

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he's going to experience all the pains and sufferings of

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the Jewish people that he killed. So in essence, he

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was experiencing like a hell like experience because of the

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things that he did. But really, like when you die,

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there's no hell for people to go into. It's the

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individual experience that someone experiences because of the things he

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did in his lifetime.

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Speaker 4: So this is an explanation given by the ets.

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Speaker 2: So with this kind of levels and hierarchies of planets,

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are there also like a hierarchy of different ets and

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beings that are in charge to Watchever, kind of like

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the theory of lesser gods or demigods underneath the supreme Creator.

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Speaker 3: Yes, there are different kinds of ets, and some are

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were advanced, such as the ones that really helped Moses

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to part of sea, parts in the sea for Moses,

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giving the Hebrews manners like the the Ubans and responsible

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for the births of Jesus and resurrection of Christ. And

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there are also the lesser advanced ets such as the

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Grace Who's the UFO the u APS crashed on Earth

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in which the people in the US and have been

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focusing too much on reverse engineering the technologies from the

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crashed the UFO, the u A p S. So they're

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learning from the people who or the etis there's bas

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craft crashed, so they're learning the ones from the lesser etis.

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But we want to learn from the better, more advanced ets,

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the ones who have been helping us throughout history. And

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actually this book got into China miraculously as a science

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fiction but a lot of people believe that this is

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the true account.

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Speaker 4: Of what the other experience.

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Speaker 3: Last in the last few years, the Chinese government UH

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no longer allowed the Bible to be sold in China.

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But after this book was published in China, people got

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a strong interest in reading the Bible and reading the

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teachings of scriptures. And because this book talks about the

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events happened in the Bible, you know, very logical fashion,

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logical manner that makes perfect sense.

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Speaker 4: So I think we really should.

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Speaker 3: Learn from the more advanced cities and not from the Grace.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's something I wanted to ask you as well,

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because there's a disconnect for us here and and I

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know it's one way of looking at it from a

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Christian perspective of why the Bible isn't allowed in China. Right,

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there's an attack on God or you know, morals and

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principles in the Bible. But there's really a lot of

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different things in the Bible, and the Bible in the

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wrong hands turns into a weapon of mass destruction. It

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just it just does any sacred and holy x does

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when the wicked get a hold of it. But what

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what does the Chinese government like, what is the reasoning

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about banning the Bible uh in China? Is there an

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official statement or reason why?

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Speaker 3: So they want the stability of the country. So with

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so many people believing in Christianity, they think there's going

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to be a threat to the governance of China, the

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Communist Party of China. So this is why they don't

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want any religion to be extremely powerful that would post

484
00:30:36,559 --> 00:30:39,880
as a threat to the government. It's very similar to

485
00:30:40,400 --> 00:30:44,960
the idea that like we a lot of people in

486
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,319
the in the Western world, they post the ets as

487
00:30:48,319 --> 00:30:51,559
a threat. So so in fact it's not a threat

488
00:30:51,640 --> 00:30:53,200
to the main kind of earth.

489
00:30:54,160 --> 00:30:58,759
Speaker 1: Threat to the religion though right in the governments you know.

490
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:02,079
Speaker 3: Yeah, so so it's very unfortunate. But I always suggest

491
00:31:02,119 --> 00:31:05,079
people read the teachings of Christ more seriously.

492
00:31:07,359 --> 00:31:11,240
Speaker 1: Are these beings here with us now? You talk about them,

493
00:31:11,400 --> 00:31:13,200
you know, watching over us kind of thing and kind

494
00:31:13,240 --> 00:31:16,519
of popping in too to share some knowledge and wisdom

495
00:31:16,559 --> 00:31:18,799
here and there. But are they are they living amongst us.

496
00:31:18,839 --> 00:31:25,880
Are these advanced beings here in and and human looking bodies,

497
00:31:26,000 --> 00:31:29,960
shorter bodies living a life and going to work and

498
00:31:30,000 --> 00:31:33,079
maybe live next door to you or is there is it?

499
00:31:33,119 --> 00:31:34,319
Did he ever speak about that?

500
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,359
Speaker 3: The book doesn't really talk about it. But I know

501
00:31:38,440 --> 00:31:41,880
that the different kinds of etees live on Earth. For example,

502
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,640
the Grace they work with the US government. And and

503
00:31:45,759 --> 00:31:51,359
actually there's a psychic called Alex Tanos he actually encountered

504
00:31:51,359 --> 00:31:55,359
the Grace the ets in New Mexico. Because he had

505
00:31:55,359 --> 00:31:58,400
the psychic abilities. He was able to communicate with the

506
00:31:58,559 --> 00:32:05,240
greed ets uh through their mind through telepathy. And yeah,

507
00:32:05,279 --> 00:32:08,400
there are different kinds of and the itties from Theoba

508
00:32:08,599 --> 00:32:10,920
they come to us from time to time, and they

509
00:32:10,960 --> 00:32:14,680
can influence the decisions of the government leaders UH, and

510
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:18,400
they sometimes intervene. For example, according to this book, they

511
00:32:18,519 --> 00:32:22,319
actually prevented Germany from being the first country to develop

512
00:32:22,359 --> 00:32:25,920
the atomic bomb during World War two, and the World

513
00:32:25,960 --> 00:32:28,240
War two much earlier than I would have been otherwise.

514
00:32:29,319 --> 00:32:32,440
And I did check it out. There's a German scientist

515
00:32:32,480 --> 00:32:35,799
called doctor Heisenberg who was far more advanced than the

516
00:32:35,799 --> 00:32:40,039
American scientist in developing the atomic bomb. But for some

517
00:32:40,160 --> 00:32:44,480
strange reason, very strange reason. He made a very stupid mistake,

518
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:50,079
a miscalculation that in turn, the report was read by

519
00:32:50,160 --> 00:32:53,599
Hiler and Hitler believed that Germany did not have the

520
00:32:53,920 --> 00:32:57,720
natural resources materials mix the bomb, so he gave out

521
00:32:57,759 --> 00:33:01,160
the plan. So this is why the American got the

522
00:33:01,279 --> 00:33:04,119
lead and deployed the bomb in the bombs in Japan.

523
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:08,519
And in the sense, the ETS sided with the US

524
00:33:08,599 --> 00:33:12,599
government because the government was more sincere in protecting individual

525
00:33:12,599 --> 00:33:17,480
liberties according to the ETS. And this is actually some

526
00:33:17,559 --> 00:33:21,119
of the things that the ETS intervened. And also they

527
00:33:21,119 --> 00:33:25,799
were responsible for the destructions of Sodian Gomorrah. And if

528
00:33:25,799 --> 00:33:29,640
you read the ancient scriptures, you're going to realize that

529
00:33:29,720 --> 00:33:32,119
it's not just about sodomy. There are a lot of

530
00:33:32,160 --> 00:33:34,480
other things, evil things that the people in the two

531
00:33:34,519 --> 00:33:39,720
cities did. They punished the compassionate people who helped the poor,

532
00:33:40,319 --> 00:33:43,200
Like a girl gave food to a background street and

533
00:33:43,279 --> 00:33:46,799
the girl was punished, and actually she cried out to

534
00:33:46,920 --> 00:33:51,599
Lord and to the Al Jehovah. And then so it's

535
00:33:51,759 --> 00:33:57,519
just like when you have a malignant tumor in your body,

536
00:33:58,279 --> 00:34:01,960
on your arm, then it's going to spread. Then the

537
00:34:02,079 --> 00:34:05,559
right thing to do is to remove it surgically. And similarly,

538
00:34:05,640 --> 00:34:07,960
this is what the ets did. The people in the

539
00:34:08,000 --> 00:34:10,960
two cities were so evil and they were going to

540
00:34:11,000 --> 00:34:13,519
affect the people who got in touch with them, So

541
00:34:13,599 --> 00:34:18,440
this is why they removed the two cities or distracted

542
00:34:18,440 --> 00:34:22,639
the two cities. So the Ets help us intervene and

543
00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,760
appear to us from time to time. When according to

544
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:30,199
this book in Ancient Civilizations, a list in the Muria

545
00:34:31,599 --> 00:34:35,239
that appeared in the Pacific Ocean, the Ets from Theopa

546
00:34:35,599 --> 00:34:40,480
had frequent contact with people on Themuria because people behaved

547
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:46,559
civilly in a verse civilized manner. They were highly advanced spiritually,

548
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:50,519
and people did not people lived there and did not

549
00:34:50,639 --> 00:34:55,079
have money. In essence, they just grabbed whatever they needed

550
00:34:55,079 --> 00:34:59,199
from the marketplace. Because no one took advantage of each other.

551
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:01,800
People lived harmoniously and perfectly.

552
00:35:01,880 --> 00:35:02,679
Speaker 4: There was no war.

553
00:35:03,239 --> 00:35:06,440
Speaker 3: So so at that time people were ready spiritually to

554
00:35:06,559 --> 00:35:11,039
have direct contact with the ets. But now we have

555
00:35:11,079 --> 00:35:13,920
a lot of wars in the world and we are

556
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:15,320
not ready yet.

557
00:35:16,559 --> 00:35:19,119
Speaker 1: And and they talk about a destruction right that this,

558
00:35:19,840 --> 00:35:24,719
you know, civilization could could be reset if we stay

559
00:35:24,760 --> 00:35:33,440
on this kind of path of materialism. War selfishness, which

560
00:35:34,119 --> 00:35:37,880
which it seems like, you know, there's a lot of people,

561
00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:41,119
but but it also seems like like the majority of

562
00:35:42,119 --> 00:35:48,239
people are asking the bigger, deeper questions and are leaning

563
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:53,559
more into compassion and and things like that, you know,

564
00:35:53,599 --> 00:35:55,599
And that's what it's. It seems like whenever it's the

565
00:35:55,639 --> 00:36:00,519
majority of the people who are doing some thing on

566
00:36:00,519 --> 00:36:07,639
on on a planet, that that the you know, helpers

567
00:36:07,679 --> 00:36:10,880
show up or kind of intervene. With that being said,

568
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:15,800
with this idea of ascension where you know, could Earth,

569
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:19,360
if Earth could be destroyed, could it get an upgrade?

570
00:36:20,079 --> 00:36:23,360
Or does it need to stay this? You know, this

571
00:36:23,360 --> 00:36:26,000
this type of school for the beings, you know, do

572
00:36:26,000 --> 00:36:28,440
do the beings go somewhere else? We we know about

573
00:36:28,519 --> 00:36:31,000
you know the arc and uh, you know, going to

574
00:36:31,119 --> 00:36:34,519
New Jerusalem and being taken off planet to a different planet.

575
00:36:34,719 --> 00:36:37,920
And this one stays the way it is because it's

576
00:36:38,360 --> 00:36:41,239
fearfully and wonderfully made and it's a perfect place for

577
00:36:41,360 --> 00:36:46,199
beings to souls to incarnate on and you know, go

578
00:36:46,360 --> 00:36:50,079
through this this process. You but but could you see

579
00:36:50,079 --> 00:36:53,360
Earth as as a whole getting an upgrade or the

580
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:55,519
people who get an upgrade be kind of taken off

581
00:36:55,559 --> 00:36:58,239
planet to a to a new new planet.

582
00:36:59,199 --> 00:37:03,119
Speaker 3: The people get upgrade, so when the people pass or die,

583
00:37:03,480 --> 00:37:07,760
their spirit there after bodies will go on to a

584
00:37:07,800 --> 00:37:12,679
different planet, a better planet, to live there in physical forms.

585
00:37:13,079 --> 00:37:16,719
So this is how the evolutions go and the Earth

586
00:37:17,119 --> 00:37:20,280
will remain will remain as a category one planet, a

587
00:37:20,320 --> 00:37:24,360
basic level planet is the people when they purify their

588
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:28,880
spirits sufficiently, they can live on a better planet. And

589
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,639
there are also a lot of things mentioned in the

590
00:37:31,679 --> 00:37:37,039
book that kind of struck me, which is the fact

591
00:37:37,119 --> 00:37:43,320
that according and I think astronomers agree that there's a

592
00:37:43,360 --> 00:37:47,320
lifetime for any planet in the universe, so a planet

593
00:37:47,360 --> 00:37:51,119
doesn't really last forever. And when the core of a

594
00:37:51,159 --> 00:37:56,039
planet cools down, it no longer has the electro magnetic

595
00:37:56,079 --> 00:37:59,679
force to capture the atmosphere, so the planet will become

596
00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:03,440
like a desert like Mars. So in fact, Mars had

597
00:38:03,519 --> 00:38:08,480
people that lived there, but since the core of Mars

598
00:38:08,639 --> 00:38:13,199
could down, it has become like a desert because it

599
00:38:13,280 --> 00:38:18,840
lost the atmosphere. So people will migrate to different planets

600
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:22,760
from time to time. And so this is why when

601
00:38:22,840 --> 00:38:26,559
we elevate ourselves, it's better to elevate our spirit in

602
00:38:26,679 --> 00:38:29,840
order to move up to live to be able to

603
00:38:29,880 --> 00:38:33,639
live on a better planet. And this is also been

604
00:38:33,880 --> 00:38:38,960
interesting because we o came from different planets originally, so

605
00:38:39,079 --> 00:38:42,920
when the Creator created human beings, it also created the

606
00:38:42,960 --> 00:38:48,960
etis as well. And because we migrate from planet to planet,

607
00:38:50,079 --> 00:38:56,000
we originally all came from planets of different categters or

608
00:38:56,239 --> 00:39:01,639
different planets. Like the Blacks, Yellow, Caucasian, and the ancestors

609
00:39:01,679 --> 00:39:04,800
of the poll nations all came from a category of

610
00:39:04,840 --> 00:39:10,199
one planet, the basic level planet. However, the Hebrews came

611
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:15,079
here accidentally from a different category of planet. This actually

612
00:39:15,119 --> 00:39:19,840
explains why the Hebrews were the chosen people and also

613
00:39:19,960 --> 00:39:24,480
why Jewish people excel at everything that they do, Like

614
00:39:24,599 --> 00:39:30,280
they account only for about point two percent of world population,

615
00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:33,880
but twenty two percent Nobel Prize winners are Jewish people.

616
00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:39,679
They're exceptional in different fields that they enter into. So

617
00:39:39,719 --> 00:39:44,280
this actually explains perfectly why certain things happen nowadays and

618
00:39:44,440 --> 00:39:49,079
why people are different in some senses. So this book

619
00:39:49,119 --> 00:39:53,000
actually really opens my eyes to a great extent, and

620
00:39:53,079 --> 00:39:56,000
though explains the psychic ability is how we can practice

621
00:39:56,760 --> 00:40:01,920
meditation and really to really be more spiritual.

622
00:40:04,239 --> 00:40:08,119
Speaker 1: That's that's awesome. It makes me think of a saying

623
00:40:08,159 --> 00:40:11,599
that a friend of ours has Illuminati Congo. He says

624
00:40:11,639 --> 00:40:13,960
that like Earth is kind of like on Star Wars,

625
00:40:14,039 --> 00:40:17,679
you have the cantina, where the cantina has all the

626
00:40:17,760 --> 00:40:23,280
different beings from different planets. They're kind of co mingling together,

627
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:25,840
and you know, some of them are good, some of

628
00:40:25,880 --> 00:40:27,760
them are bad, some of them are drinking, some are

629
00:40:27,760 --> 00:40:31,360
having fun. But it's like this melting pot of beings

630
00:40:31,360 --> 00:40:34,480
from all over the galaxy of the multiverse.

631
00:40:36,719 --> 00:40:39,159
Speaker 2: So do you think or does it say in the

632
00:40:39,159 --> 00:40:43,760
book at all? Do you think that the original in

633
00:40:43,800 --> 00:40:46,119
the Bible where it talks about let us make man

634
00:40:46,199 --> 00:40:50,800
in our image, the original man the atom, do you

635
00:40:50,840 --> 00:40:53,920
think that he was possibly an et or a different

636
00:40:54,039 --> 00:40:56,599
kind of being or was he a basic level level

637
00:40:56,639 --> 00:40:57,960
one human being.

638
00:41:00,159 --> 00:41:04,519
Speaker 3: So the Old Testament was written by the Hebrews, and

639
00:41:06,039 --> 00:41:11,519
they were actually specifically talking about the Hebrews, and actually, uh,

640
00:41:11,639 --> 00:41:14,119
it actually applies to different kinds of people as well,

641
00:41:14,239 --> 00:41:16,840
the Yellows, the Blacks and Caucasians too.

642
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:19,039
Speaker 4: When when he talks.

643
00:41:18,840 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 3: About that, it's actually illustrating. You see un parable, You

644
00:41:22,039 --> 00:41:27,719
see illustration that God the Creator put in a tiny

645
00:41:27,760 --> 00:41:31,360
portion of itself to each other asrobodies. So so it's

646
00:41:31,440 --> 00:41:35,920
really not a literary explanation. It's more figuratively speaking that

647
00:41:36,239 --> 00:41:40,199
we are part of the Creator. And and also Michelle

648
00:41:40,239 --> 00:41:43,559
the author was shown different kinds of bets on different

649
00:41:43,559 --> 00:41:47,320
planets and they look very differently, uh. And some of

650
00:41:47,360 --> 00:41:50,920
them look like our Native American chief, some of them

651
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:55,079
look like very strange animals. So so it's it's it's

652
00:41:55,159 --> 00:41:59,840
really diverse in essence. We are all the creations of

653
00:41:59,880 --> 00:42:03,840
the Creator, and the Hebrews are kind of unique on Earth.

654
00:42:04,159 --> 00:42:08,559
But there are different kinds of ets on different planets

655
00:42:08,880 --> 00:42:10,000
that are similar.

656
00:42:09,639 --> 00:42:10,679
Speaker 4: To the Hebrews.

657
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:15,039
Speaker 3: So I think when the disclosure or it contact is

658
00:42:15,119 --> 00:42:19,079
finally made, the Jewish people will have to be involved

659
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,440
because they're kind of like a unique people on Earth.

660
00:42:23,800 --> 00:42:26,199
Speaker 1: You know. I do find it and I see how

661
00:42:26,280 --> 00:42:31,840
these two ideas tie together. Here this thing that Christ

662
00:42:31,960 --> 00:42:34,559
mentioned and also Paul in the Bible where it says

663
00:42:34,559 --> 00:42:37,960
like a true Jew it is not one who was

664
00:42:37,960 --> 00:42:40,880
born in Jerusalem or right, or born after a certain bloodline,

665
00:42:40,880 --> 00:42:44,800
but it says the true Jew is one inwardly right.

666
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:49,880
And so there's this idea that being a Israelite or

667
00:42:50,159 --> 00:42:53,280
one of the Chosen people of God that they could

668
00:42:53,360 --> 00:42:58,000
incarnate through different bloodlines. But it's this divine spark from

669
00:42:58,039 --> 00:43:02,039
the Gods that that are that's spread out throughout the

670
00:43:02,079 --> 00:43:07,679
four corners of the planet. And and uh, and that

671
00:43:07,800 --> 00:43:10,599
you can't just look at a person and say they're special,

672
00:43:10,760 --> 00:43:13,239
just like you can't look at you know, the thing,

673
00:43:13,360 --> 00:43:15,360
the thing with the you know, the Hebrews of the Jews,

674
00:43:15,639 --> 00:43:18,599
you can't look at them. All of them are good people,

675
00:43:19,039 --> 00:43:21,440
all of them are divine, all of them are you know,

676
00:43:21,559 --> 00:43:23,760
righteous people, just like we can't look at it and

677
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:26,840
say that every black is good or every black is bad,

678
00:43:26,920 --> 00:43:29,400
or every white is good and white is lovely and pure,

679
00:43:29,639 --> 00:43:32,400
like these kind of things. But there's this mixture. And

680
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:35,800
it's very interesting how you know, some of that is

681
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:39,079
mentioned in the New Testament, how you can't just judge

682
00:43:39,079 --> 00:43:41,559
a book by its cover, but you judge them kind

683
00:43:41,599 --> 00:43:43,760
of by their fruit and uh. And I would say,

684
00:43:44,119 --> 00:43:47,800
you know, tying that in with the et thing, just

685
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:52,559
because you know the way they look, you know, just

686
00:43:52,599 --> 00:43:54,519
like you mentioned like a lot of the Church would

687
00:43:54,559 --> 00:43:57,920
say that the Ets and or even the Grays are demons,

688
00:43:58,280 --> 00:44:01,679
like anything off world, anything that doesn't look like us

689
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:06,599
is demonic and and just because it looks scary or

690
00:44:06,599 --> 00:44:09,119
they may look grotesque or something like that doesn't mean

691
00:44:09,159 --> 00:44:11,719
that they are. And that's a that's a principle that

692
00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,639
I think a lot of people in the in uh

693
00:44:15,119 --> 00:44:19,159
in spirituality have to learn when you're approached by different

694
00:44:19,199 --> 00:44:21,920
beings that that don't look like you, so that we

695
00:44:21,960 --> 00:44:25,880
don't judge them too quickly, because if you're in an

696
00:44:25,920 --> 00:44:28,159
experience or something like that, or you want to move forward,

697
00:44:28,199 --> 00:44:32,679
it really has the power to end abruptly when you

698
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:36,239
become scared that a being or a person for that matter,

699
00:44:37,519 --> 00:44:39,400
looks different or is different than you.

700
00:44:39,400 --> 00:44:43,239
Speaker 3: You know, I totally agree we cannot judge a book

701
00:44:43,239 --> 00:44:48,599
based cover or just look at people's appearance and make determinations.

702
00:44:50,239 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 1: Were there. So again like you know, me mentioning this

703
00:44:54,119 --> 00:44:57,519
and asking about the different beings that that are here,

704
00:44:57,599 --> 00:45:01,239
and you mentioned the Grace and we talk about you know,

705
00:45:01,280 --> 00:45:05,400
there's paranormal occurrences and etheric beings and angels and all

706
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:08,599
of this kind of stuff. Are there any does he

707
00:45:08,639 --> 00:45:15,000
talk about them looking like humans and actually being again

708
00:45:15,079 --> 00:45:18,719
like do like like going to work, like working a job,

709
00:45:18,760 --> 00:45:21,400
but they are higher beings and they know that they're

710
00:45:21,440 --> 00:45:24,679
higher beings, but they may be on the same football

711
00:45:24,719 --> 00:45:28,760
team as somebody, or you know, you know, you know,

712
00:45:28,800 --> 00:45:31,719
they may be a coworker or a neighbor, and they

713
00:45:31,840 --> 00:45:36,480
know that they are from this other realm or or

714
00:45:36,519 --> 00:45:39,000
could be hundreds of if not thousands of years old

715
00:45:39,079 --> 00:45:44,079
in incarnate here kind of watching over humanity, but from

716
00:45:44,119 --> 00:45:46,719
this place of humility where they're actually doing life with you,

717
00:45:47,320 --> 00:45:49,760
that that we would mistake as a beggar or as

718
00:45:49,800 --> 00:45:52,159
just a you know, a normal person. Do they talk

719
00:45:52,199 --> 00:45:52,920
about that at all?

720
00:45:53,960 --> 00:45:58,599
Speaker 3: Yes, they actually appeared as angels in our past, in

721
00:45:58,639 --> 00:46:02,440
our ancient history, as documented in the Old Testaments, So

722
00:46:02,440 --> 00:46:05,039
they actually came to Earth and had direct contact with

723
00:46:05,239 --> 00:46:09,840
us and appearance angels, And nowadays I think they can

724
00:46:09,880 --> 00:46:12,000
also appear. And if you're able to look at the

725
00:46:12,400 --> 00:46:16,440
if you're able to perceive auras or the human energy feels,

726
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:19,199
then you're probably going to be able to tell whether

727
00:46:19,320 --> 00:46:23,960
this person is spiritually advanced such as ets, or this

728
00:46:24,039 --> 00:46:28,199
person has evil intentions. I know some our readers, like

729
00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:31,760
Barbara Brennan or Judis Collins who not only can see

730
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:35,960
ours but also shacrasts, so they're able to tell whether

731
00:46:36,000 --> 00:46:39,920
a person is having physical illness or will have physical

732
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:45,159
illness or not. This actually coincidized with my upbringing in

733
00:46:45,199 --> 00:46:48,519
which my parents are Chinese doctors. In the ancient past,

734
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:53,920
traditional Chinese doctors could see the colors of auras and

735
00:46:54,000 --> 00:47:00,639
to use different herbs to kind of remedy the different

736
00:47:00,760 --> 00:47:05,000
illness because different herbs have different vibrational frequencies. When you

737
00:47:05,079 --> 00:47:08,599
boil the herbs into water, you're using the water as

738
00:47:08,599 --> 00:47:13,119
a carrier of the vibrational frequencies of the herb, and

739
00:47:13,159 --> 00:47:16,320
then we'll drink the liquid or the tea. It kind

740
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:21,639
of remedies your your different energy fields. So you're going

741
00:47:21,679 --> 00:47:26,280
to improve physically or health healthwise. And this is actually

742
00:47:26,400 --> 00:47:31,639
why vibrational frequencies are so important in terms of music

743
00:47:31,679 --> 00:47:33,840
as well, and also colors as well.

744
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:35,360
Speaker 4: So everything is about.

745
00:47:35,239 --> 00:47:40,760
Speaker 3: Vibrations and frequencies and energy. As the tesla said, So

746
00:47:40,760 --> 00:47:44,599
so this is a and when you can see ours,

747
00:47:45,280 --> 00:47:47,559
if you develop the ability to see oors, you're able

748
00:47:47,559 --> 00:47:48,679
to tell w trans and et.

749
00:47:51,679 --> 00:47:56,719
Speaker 2: So, going back to his question about the the angels

750
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:59,559
taking on a human appearance, you made a distinction earlier

751
00:47:59,599 --> 00:48:02,199
between the tomb of Christ and the tomb of Jesus

752
00:48:02,800 --> 00:48:06,480
is it. Because you know that Jesus was born at

753
00:48:06,519 --> 00:48:08,480
kind of as a human being and then the Christ

754
00:48:08,599 --> 00:48:11,559
spirit married itself to him and that's when he became

755
00:48:11,599 --> 00:48:14,199
the Christ. Do you think that that's the thing.

756
00:48:15,239 --> 00:48:18,800
Speaker 3: So what happened is that the Etis wanted to help

757
00:48:18,960 --> 00:48:23,440
the people on earth. So and the first they helped

758
00:48:23,440 --> 00:48:30,280
the Hebrews under the Egyptians regime during Exodus before Exodus,

759
00:48:31,199 --> 00:48:37,960
because the Egyptians were suppressing the spiritual divin or the Hebrews.

760
00:48:38,280 --> 00:48:40,239
So this is why they had Mostes who come and

761
00:48:40,280 --> 00:48:45,400
to help the Hebrews to to escape from the evil

762
00:48:45,480 --> 00:48:49,920
rules of the Pharaohs. So and the Romans regime rule.

763
00:48:50,679 --> 00:48:53,960
You know, the Romans believed in different gods or goddesses.

764
00:48:54,280 --> 00:48:56,880
It's kind of like idle worship. So it made a

765
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,639
lot of confusions to the people. So this is why

766
00:48:59,719 --> 00:49:03,440
the they decided to intervene and to had a very

767
00:49:03,480 --> 00:49:08,039
miraculous event that happened, which is the birth of Jesus

768
00:49:08,079 --> 00:49:10,960
from Virgin Mary. So everything that is when in the

769
00:49:10,960 --> 00:49:14,639
Bible is true, basically true. And with the Star of Bethlehem,

770
00:49:14,800 --> 00:49:18,599
you can imagine that's the uf or UAP And actually

771
00:49:18,599 --> 00:49:20,800
I can pinpoint the exact date of the birth of

772
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:25,199
Jesus from the astronomical records of China, because China kept

773
00:49:25,199 --> 00:49:29,039
a very detailed record saying that there's a star in

774
00:49:29,079 --> 00:49:32,599
the sky that lasted for seventy days, and I can

775
00:49:32,639 --> 00:49:36,880
give you the date as well. So the young Jesus

776
00:49:37,400 --> 00:49:40,400
was born, and because he was born this way, his

777
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:46,559
astrobody enters into the embryo of Virgin Mary. It has

778
00:49:46,599 --> 00:49:50,159
to go through by natural law what the ancient Nagas

779
00:49:50,159 --> 00:49:53,960
would call the river of oblivion, forgetting all the memories

780
00:49:54,000 --> 00:49:58,480
of the past, forgetting the ability to perform miracles, so

781
00:49:58,559 --> 00:50:02,880
that young Jesus could not perform miracles, even though he

782
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:06,320
was highly spiritual, having a profound conversation with the teachers

783
00:50:06,320 --> 00:50:06,960
of the temple.

784
00:50:07,440 --> 00:50:08,400
Speaker 4: He went to India.

785
00:50:08,519 --> 00:50:11,039
Speaker 3: This is why people say that Jesus went to India

786
00:50:11,159 --> 00:50:13,280
through China and died in Japan. So this is why

787
00:50:13,360 --> 00:50:16,679
there's a tomb of Japan. But Christ is actually a

788
00:50:16,679 --> 00:50:19,960
different entity. So what the Eaties did was that they

789
00:50:20,159 --> 00:50:24,559
actually created a body they resembled the appearance of Jesus,

790
00:50:24,760 --> 00:50:27,280
and they had helped their people to come into the

791
00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:30,480
body made by them that appeared to be like Jesus.

792
00:50:31,920 --> 00:50:37,519
In order in order to perform miracles. Why because people

793
00:50:37,559 --> 00:50:41,480
in the past as well as people nowadays, they're highly skeptical.

794
00:50:42,079 --> 00:50:45,559
Unless someone could perform miracles, his teachings wouldn't have been

795
00:50:45,599 --> 00:50:48,400
believed by the people at that time. So he had

796
00:50:48,440 --> 00:50:54,639
to perform miracles. So he remembered everything, including his purpose

797
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:59,280
on earth, which is to show people the or to

798
00:50:59,400 --> 00:51:04,159
teach people for basic principles. And there's life after death.

799
00:51:04,239 --> 00:51:09,639
And he was crucified and then resurrected after three days

800
00:51:10,000 --> 00:51:14,239
and this is actually true, and this is actually to

801
00:51:14,320 --> 00:51:17,000
show people at the time that there's life after death,

802
00:51:17,280 --> 00:51:19,920
to give people hope and and so that they don't

803
00:51:20,719 --> 00:51:23,559
just think that this is the end of everything.

804
00:51:26,239 --> 00:51:28,199
Speaker 1: What is What are some of the other types of

805
00:51:28,239 --> 00:51:32,360
beings that he was shown on on different planets? And

806
00:51:32,400 --> 00:51:36,360
I know I've seen something about planets that were destroyed.

807
00:51:36,519 --> 00:51:39,639
You mentioned, you know, Mars, but that there were still

808
00:51:40,119 --> 00:51:43,960
types of beings there. And again one of them were

809
00:51:44,639 --> 00:51:47,760
large red ants and things like that that were like

810
00:51:47,880 --> 00:51:52,440
giants and things. What were some of the different types

811
00:51:52,679 --> 00:51:55,519
that that he saw as well, So we.

812
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:57,079
Speaker 4: All came from different planets.

813
00:51:57,119 --> 00:52:01,480
Speaker 3: The one that had the red large and uh, it's

814
00:52:01,559 --> 00:52:04,679
actually a planet called a Remo X three in which

815
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:07,519
the ancestors of the Polynesians.

816
00:52:08,320 --> 00:52:08,760
Speaker 4: Came from.

817
00:52:09,159 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 3: Uh, there's a planet that the people that lose Livan

818
00:52:13,639 --> 00:52:17,639
Muria came from. He also saw like another et that's

819
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:22,159
kind of having a square shaped body called Archie, in

820
00:52:22,199 --> 00:52:24,920
which it's also like a primitive planet. Also comes from

821
00:52:24,920 --> 00:52:28,599
a primitive planet, but there are more spiritually advanced than

822
00:52:28,639 --> 00:52:32,599
people on Earth. And talking about that, they had four

823
00:52:32,639 --> 00:52:36,679
people on their planet that preached about spirituality and love

824
00:52:37,079 --> 00:52:41,280
and got killed by a dictatorship government. And then people

825
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:47,119
realized what had happened, and they started the movement like

826
00:52:47,440 --> 00:52:52,199
UH and demonstrated peacefully, having a non violence strike, and

827
00:52:52,239 --> 00:52:56,719
then the government became a more democratic spiritual government whence

828
00:52:56,760 --> 00:53:00,519
everyone realized what was happening because they had an inertia

829
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:06,000
of realization that everyone acted together and participated in the strike.

830
00:53:06,519 --> 00:53:09,599
So that's one planet or one et that he saw.

831
00:53:10,440 --> 00:53:13,880
He also saw different kinds of etis on the planet Theoba,

832
00:53:14,519 --> 00:53:20,000
and he actually saw the I don't want to spoil it,

833
00:53:20,079 --> 00:53:23,320
but he saw the body of made back by then

834
00:53:23,599 --> 00:53:26,639
that appeared to be the body of Christ. And he

835
00:53:26,719 --> 00:53:30,519
actually saw the details like the marks, the injuries injury

836
00:53:30,559 --> 00:53:34,840
marks of the whips that the Christ suffered when he

837
00:53:34,960 --> 00:53:39,119
was on the cross. He also saw the the the nail,

838
00:53:39,239 --> 00:53:43,039
the the the injury mark of the nail that punched

839
00:53:43,119 --> 00:53:46,679
through his risk, not not the pound, but the risk.

840
00:53:47,320 --> 00:53:49,599
If you study human antonomy, you're going to realize that

841
00:53:49,679 --> 00:53:52,800
if you nail someone on the palm, uh, the body

842
00:53:52,880 --> 00:53:55,920
weight will be too heavy and then it will not

843
00:53:56,079 --> 00:53:57,599
support the body weight.

844
00:53:58,159 --> 00:53:58,280
Speaker 2: Uh.

845
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:02,679
Speaker 3: It's only through the risks that you can really crucify someone.

846
00:54:04,119 --> 00:54:07,800
So this is one detail he observed. So there are

847
00:54:07,800 --> 00:54:10,519
a lot of very, very very interesting details in the

848
00:54:10,519 --> 00:54:14,679
book that can be verified by modern science and also.

849
00:54:15,960 --> 00:54:17,320
Speaker 4: By a lot of research.

850
00:54:18,840 --> 00:54:20,880
Speaker 1: How did you find a book like? How did it

851
00:54:20,920 --> 00:54:21,719
come into your life?

852
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:28,239
Speaker 3: I was very curious about learning knowledge from advanced ets

853
00:54:28,559 --> 00:54:32,440
and that searched on Amazon books written by it compact tees,

854
00:54:32,519 --> 00:54:35,159
and I found this book. It was only very expensively

855
00:54:35,239 --> 00:54:39,280
back then, back in to twenty fourteen, over one hundred

856
00:54:39,320 --> 00:54:41,079
dollars or so, so I checked it out from the

857
00:54:41,079 --> 00:54:41,800
local library.

858
00:54:43,760 --> 00:54:48,360
Speaker 1: Have there been any other experience or stories that has

859
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:53,840
stood out to you over the years. We interviewed one

860
00:54:53,880 --> 00:55:00,119
of the ambassadors for Reale and the ralliance where he

861
00:55:00,239 --> 00:55:05,239
had a contact experience Reale. I want to I forgot

862
00:55:05,400 --> 00:55:08,599
must say it's the seventies. I think it was where

863
00:55:08,840 --> 00:55:11,280
a craft came down here to him and kind of

864
00:55:11,320 --> 00:55:15,239
showed him similar similar things. Is there is there any

865
00:55:15,360 --> 00:55:22,559
any other notable abduction stories or people that you think

866
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:27,639
maybe working with or inspired by ET's or something like

867
00:55:27,679 --> 00:55:29,039
that that that kind of stands out to you.

868
00:55:30,119 --> 00:55:32,559
Speaker 3: I actually had read so many books written by ET

869
00:55:32,719 --> 00:55:35,079
contacts by the time that I found this book.

870
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:37,440
Speaker 4: I think this book is very unique.

871
00:55:37,079 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 3: Because it has a lot of specific, verifiable facts and

872
00:55:42,400 --> 00:55:46,840
that makes common sense. For example, if one ET contact

873
00:55:46,840 --> 00:55:50,599
E says that the ET tell him that the Great

874
00:55:50,639 --> 00:55:53,880
Pyramid was built you seen two hundred thousand slaves in

875
00:55:53,960 --> 00:55:56,599
a forty year period of time, that really wouldn't make

876
00:55:56,639 --> 00:55:59,760
a lot of sense to me because it could have

877
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:00,599
had in that way.

878
00:56:01,280 --> 00:56:02,760
Speaker 4: But this book talks about.

879
00:56:02,519 --> 00:56:07,880
Speaker 3: The fact that the pyramid was built using anti gravitational

880
00:56:07,920 --> 00:56:12,800
technologies and supersonic vibtory systems to cut a huge stone

881
00:56:12,840 --> 00:56:16,960
seamer precise manner. It was built by thoughts in nine

882
00:56:17,039 --> 00:56:20,719
year time, and so that a pyramid could be used

883
00:56:20,719 --> 00:56:24,719
as an energy center to for the ancient pharaohs to

884
00:56:25,280 --> 00:56:30,840
communicate with people on different planets and also to make

885
00:56:30,960 --> 00:56:33,360
ring as well. It makes perfect sense because we can

886
00:56:33,480 --> 00:56:37,559
validate that, especially with the recent discovery that there are

887
00:56:37,960 --> 00:56:43,039
subterranean underground structures beneath the pyramid. So I think this

888
00:56:43,119 --> 00:56:46,639
book has a lot of information or fact that make

889
00:56:46,719 --> 00:56:48,400
perfect sense, common sense.

890
00:56:49,880 --> 00:56:52,800
Speaker 1: I find that amazing that you know, it was this

891
00:56:53,199 --> 00:56:59,400
abduction experience and this author's willingness to own his story

892
00:56:59,639 --> 00:57:01,599
and put it in the book and put it out

893
00:57:01,639 --> 00:57:05,079
there that ended up in your hands that actually led

894
00:57:05,119 --> 00:57:08,079
you to Christ and led you deeper into the life

895
00:57:08,079 --> 00:57:10,519
and teachings of Jesus and actually reading the Bible and

896
00:57:10,559 --> 00:57:13,119
taking it serious. I think that's amazing. And I love

897
00:57:13,159 --> 00:57:15,880
how the creator is able to do that with with

898
00:57:16,079 --> 00:57:20,440
other people's stories and you know, sharing their own testimonies

899
00:57:21,159 --> 00:57:24,599
and their experiences with Christ that has opened that door

900
00:57:24,599 --> 00:57:27,760
for you. I think that's amazing exactly.

901
00:57:27,960 --> 00:57:31,639
Speaker 4: And this book really converted me to follower of the

902
00:57:31,679 --> 00:57:32,639
teachings of Christ.

903
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:38,320
Speaker 1: That's amazing. If there's any any last words or anything

904
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:41,679
that you want the listener the viewer to take away

905
00:57:41,679 --> 00:57:44,639
from this interview, what would it be, will be.

906
00:57:44,840 --> 00:57:49,039
Speaker 3: Seekh knowledge spiritual knowledge and this book is an eye

907
00:57:49,079 --> 00:57:52,360
opener and have strongly encouraged people to read the book

908
00:57:52,679 --> 00:57:55,920
so that you can look inside for answers when you

909
00:57:55,960 --> 00:57:57,199
have challenges in life.

910
00:58:00,119 --> 00:58:01,519
Speaker 1: Else said, well, it's.

911
00:58:01,400 --> 00:58:04,960
Speaker 2: Been a really interesting conversation. And I just I'm always

912
00:58:04,960 --> 00:58:10,000
intrigued by stories where Christ reveals himself through other means

913
00:58:10,039 --> 00:58:14,559
to people because kind of how you said, organized religion

914
00:58:14,719 --> 00:58:18,119
is kind of failing at showing people the way, the

915
00:58:18,159 --> 00:58:21,920
true way. And I just think it's beautiful that, like

916
00:58:21,960 --> 00:58:25,079
you said, this man was able to own his story

917
00:58:25,159 --> 00:58:28,679
and share it and now it's touching people and leading

918
00:58:28,679 --> 00:58:32,079
people to Christ to don't find him in organized religion

919
00:58:32,159 --> 00:58:35,280
and in the Western Church. So I just think it's

920
00:58:35,280 --> 00:58:37,400
awesome and thank you for reaching out and coming on

921
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:38,480
to share your story.

922
00:58:39,800 --> 00:58:40,199
Speaker 4: Thank you.

923
00:58:40,639 --> 00:58:42,400
Speaker 1: So where's the best place for people to pick up

924
00:58:42,440 --> 00:58:43,400
a copy of the book?

925
00:58:44,320 --> 00:58:47,519
Speaker 3: You can defend it on Amazon and also on audible.

926
00:58:47,679 --> 00:58:51,840
It was read by a very good British narrator as

927
00:58:51,880 --> 00:58:52,639
an audiobook.

928
00:58:53,599 --> 00:58:57,920
Speaker 1: Okay, And so for some clarity is this book are

929
00:58:57,920 --> 00:59:00,239
you affiliated with the book at all? Your feeling it

930
00:59:00,280 --> 00:59:02,559
with the website and kind of still trying to get

931
00:59:02,559 --> 00:59:05,159
the information out or or you're just sharing your personal

932
00:59:05,239 --> 00:59:06,639
story with the book.

933
00:59:07,440 --> 00:59:09,960
Speaker 3: I don't have any financial interests in the book, but

934
00:59:10,039 --> 00:59:12,639
I'm sharing my story because I think it's very important

935
00:59:12,679 --> 00:59:16,280
for people to have the knowledge to follow the teaching

936
00:59:16,320 --> 00:59:20,320
of Christ and also to seek the answers of the.

937
00:59:20,320 --> 00:59:21,880
Speaker 4: Unknown and the paranormal.

938
00:59:22,679 --> 00:59:25,679
Speaker 3: And I have some I have a website channels on

939
00:59:25,760 --> 00:59:29,400
adult orca slash Theoba, which I have a lot of

940
00:59:29,480 --> 00:59:32,519
articles about some of the things that people might be

941
00:59:32,559 --> 00:59:33,119
interested in.

942
00:59:34,159 --> 00:59:38,320
Speaker 1: Awesome, and we'll link that in the show notes as well. Samuel,

943
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:40,639
thank you so much for coming on the podcast. It

944
00:59:40,679 --> 00:59:43,119
was it was It was great to hear your story

945
00:59:43,119 --> 00:59:45,039
into kind of I think I feel like a lot

946
00:59:45,079 --> 00:59:47,199
of times on these podcasts for me and maybe for

947
00:59:47,239 --> 00:59:50,239
you as well, like we're almost like comparing notes, and

948
00:59:50,280 --> 00:59:52,960
it's like a lot okay, it seems to line up,

949
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:54,599
you know, and the Bible says, out of the mouth

950
00:59:54,639 --> 00:59:57,280
of two or three witnesses, let the thing be established.

951
00:59:57,280 --> 00:59:59,440
And so when you sit here and see a lot

952
00:59:59,440 --> 01:00:05,239
of people having similar experiences with with with the divine

953
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:09,280
and with ets and with craft, you know, for me,

954
01:00:09,360 --> 01:00:12,000
it it does bring a lot of hope, and I'm

955
01:00:12,280 --> 01:00:15,480
glad that you're sharing your story and I'm glad of

956
01:00:15,559 --> 01:00:18,239
the fruit that it has produced in your life. It's amazing.

957
01:00:18,639 --> 01:00:21,239
Thanks so much for hanging out with us to meet you.

958
01:00:22,480 --> 01:00:23,199
Speaker 4: Thank you me too.

959
01:00:23,400 --> 01:00:25,800
Speaker 1: We'll do it again about to thank you. Thank you,

960
01:00:27,039 --> 01:00:32,840
Samuel Chong. Ladies and gentlemen. What an interesting conversation. Again,

961
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:35,920
I think, you know, a lot of these people come

962
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:39,000
into similar conclusions. I think that the majority, at least

963
01:00:39,000 --> 01:00:41,199
of what what was was shared with us is uh

964
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stuff that's kind of backed up and in the Bible

965
01:00:45,639 --> 01:00:52,079
and by other you know, experiencers, abductees and things like that.

966
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I find it very very interesting.

967
01:00:54,000 --> 01:00:58,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of very interesting things that he shared.

968
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I thought it was really interesting that he was saying

969
01:01:00,800 --> 01:01:03,920
that the I think he said the theopens, but the

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ets helped Moses through that journey. So that's interesting. I

971
01:01:08,559 --> 01:01:10,280
would like to actually read that part of the book.

972
01:01:12,199 --> 01:01:14,679
But I think a lot of the terminologies are different

973
01:01:14,760 --> 01:01:18,559
from religion and what we've learned in religion. But it's

974
01:01:18,639 --> 01:01:21,320
kind of saying the same thing just using different terms.

975
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Speaker 1: And essentially, I mean, I think most people know that

976
01:01:26,119 --> 01:01:29,760
like religion has been hijacked, like it's a it's a

977
01:01:29,840 --> 01:01:34,440
great concept. So many beautiful things within the Bible and

978
01:01:34,480 --> 01:01:37,559
within religion, but there's also so many bad things. And

979
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I don't know if the good outweighs the bad yea

980
01:01:40,400 --> 01:01:43,239
when it comes to religion, just because some of the

981
01:01:43,599 --> 01:01:46,480
heinous things that are done in the name of religion

982
01:01:46,559 --> 01:01:52,480
and by it's leaders, whether that's you know, whichever religion

983
01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:54,920
you want you want to throw out, there are specifically

984
01:01:55,280 --> 01:01:57,679
dealing with Christianity that that we know, you know, so

985
01:01:57,719 --> 01:02:03,880
many firsthand encounters with But what is still amazing is

986
01:02:03,920 --> 01:02:07,679
that Christians and religious people all over the world are

987
01:02:07,719 --> 01:02:12,440
still able to encounter and experience Christ, the fullness of Christ,

988
01:02:12,519 --> 01:02:15,440
the love of Christ, the grace of Christ in spite

989
01:02:15,719 --> 01:02:19,719
of religion, not because of the pastor not because of religion.

990
01:02:19,760 --> 01:02:22,360
But I think in spite of those people, and in

991
01:02:22,360 --> 01:02:26,039
spite of us as well, flawed individuals, that Christ is

992
01:02:26,079 --> 01:02:31,800
able to sometimes speak out and reach reach out to

993
01:02:31,840 --> 01:02:35,440
people through their lives and through their words and works.

994
01:02:35,639 --> 01:02:38,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he keeps reiterating to follow the teachings

995
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:42,800
of Christ, not to follow the Church necessarily or religion

996
01:02:43,039 --> 01:02:46,000
or doctrine, but to follow the teachings of Christ was

997
01:02:46,360 --> 01:02:52,880
obviously is love is self sacrifice, is helping others, all

998
01:02:52,880 --> 01:02:54,559
the stuff that you read in the New Testament that

999
01:02:54,679 --> 01:02:56,639
just lights your heart space up when you read it.

1000
01:02:56,679 --> 01:02:59,840
You know, you know what teachings of Christ really are

1001
01:03:00,079 --> 01:03:02,840
and what it means to you. And I just think

1002
01:03:02,880 --> 01:03:07,440
it's awesome, so awesome to hear it from an alien

1003
01:03:07,480 --> 01:03:11,239
contactee that was able to go off world and see

1004
01:03:11,280 --> 01:03:12,400
and experience things.

1005
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Speaker 1: Yeah, that was the thing that I wanted to share,

1006
01:03:15,639 --> 01:03:18,440
Like when we were we got this email and we

1007
01:03:18,480 --> 01:03:21,119
started watching some of his interviews and just the amazing

1008
01:03:21,159 --> 01:03:24,599
thing where you hear in Christianity and a lot of

1009
01:03:24,639 --> 01:03:29,440
Christian videos right now that Jesus is encountering Muslims in

1010
01:03:29,519 --> 01:03:33,400
the dream state, like they're like they're having dreams in Jesus.

1011
01:03:33,519 --> 01:03:37,639
Christ is coming to people telling them that they He's

1012
01:03:37,679 --> 01:03:39,639
the way, the truth in the life, and He's given

1013
01:03:39,679 --> 01:03:43,159
them their love and forgiven them of their sins and

1014
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:46,840
all of these experiences that Muslims are having. And this

1015
01:03:46,960 --> 01:03:49,199
is a big deal. But I think you can throw

1016
01:03:49,239 --> 01:03:52,159
in there now and I think you could have always

1017
01:03:52,159 --> 01:03:57,360
done it, but now that people are encountering Christ through

1018
01:03:57,880 --> 01:04:01,159
UFOs and through aliens, and that Christ has come into

1019
01:04:01,239 --> 01:04:06,280
people through ufo and abduction scenarios and experiences. And again

1020
01:04:06,360 --> 01:04:09,719
the word that the book was originally called abduction, but

1021
01:04:10,679 --> 01:04:16,119
nobody uses that term that way anymore. It's contact, ye

1022
01:04:16,159 --> 01:04:19,679
and experiencer. But I think that's amazing. Jesus is encountering

1023
01:04:19,679 --> 01:04:22,400
people through UFOs and aliens.

1024
01:04:22,480 --> 01:04:23,920
Speaker 2: And I didn't ask him.

1025
01:04:25,119 --> 01:04:25,480
Speaker 1: I don't know.

1026
01:04:25,480 --> 01:04:27,119
Speaker 2: I've had a feeling he wouldn't have a lot of

1027
01:04:27,159 --> 01:04:29,840
input on it. But in plant medicines too, people are

1028
01:04:30,320 --> 01:04:35,199
going on plant medicine journeys and psilocybin you know, encounters

1029
01:04:35,239 --> 01:04:39,119
and being able to encounter Christ through those things. I

1030
01:04:39,119 --> 01:04:41,800
actually shared a video recently. It was an interview with

1031
01:04:41,840 --> 01:04:46,800
a Jewish man who had experienced Christ in an ayahuasca ceremony,

1032
01:04:47,000 --> 01:04:51,159
and it was it was very similar to how I

1033
01:04:51,199 --> 01:04:55,079
experienced Christ in a new way. Was just kind of

1034
01:04:55,079 --> 01:04:58,159
a knowing like you experience him and you have this knowing,

1035
01:04:58,239 --> 01:05:01,239
this deep inner knowing of his works and what his

1036
01:05:01,400 --> 01:05:03,679
works did and what it means, and it really just

1037
01:05:03,800 --> 01:05:07,679
means to be there for one another, to love one another,

1038
01:05:07,800 --> 01:05:10,719
to lift each other up, like hold each other's hand,

1039
01:05:10,920 --> 01:05:13,159
you know, as we're walking home back home on this

1040
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:15,920
journey and trying to remember where we came from and

1041
01:05:15,920 --> 01:05:16,400
who we are.

1042
01:05:16,519 --> 01:05:21,119
Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, I mean that's another headline. You know,

1043
01:05:21,920 --> 01:05:27,719
Christ encounters Jewish man on ayahuasca ceremony or Christ is

1044
01:05:27,800 --> 01:05:32,280
encountering people through ayahuasca and through plant medicine, something that

1045
01:05:32,360 --> 01:05:35,119
you know, we've been talking about and looking into, just

1046
01:05:35,159 --> 01:05:37,679
because first of all, the headline is shocking, but it's

1047
01:05:37,679 --> 01:05:41,320
the truth, and that's the that's the you know, that's

1048
01:05:41,360 --> 01:05:43,559
the beautiful thing that it is the truth and it

1049
01:05:43,800 --> 01:05:46,960
and you know, it may not be somebody else's truth,

1050
01:05:47,039 --> 01:05:49,519
and people will hear that and get offended and get shocked,

1051
01:05:49,519 --> 01:05:52,159
but it is our truth and it is the person's

1052
01:05:52,199 --> 01:05:55,159
truth who experienced it. You can't tell them any different.

1053
01:05:56,039 --> 01:05:59,000
Where people would want to argue and say God doesn't

1054
01:05:59,000 --> 01:06:01,519
do that, or Jesus don't He's not going to show

1055
01:06:01,599 --> 01:06:05,440
up in those situations. And I think it's very clear

1056
01:06:05,920 --> 01:06:11,159
biblically that Jesus showed up in many uncomfortable situations, even

1057
01:06:11,480 --> 01:06:14,320
Shadrack Meshak and the Bendigo being thrown in the fiery

1058
01:06:14,400 --> 01:06:16,320
furnace and they were going to die and in this

1059
01:06:16,480 --> 01:06:20,079
place of torment and torture. And then there's a fourth

1060
01:06:20,119 --> 01:06:23,119
one in the fire there with them or Daniel in

1061
01:06:23,199 --> 01:06:26,800
the lions. Then and you know, another another being appears

1062
01:06:26,840 --> 01:06:29,039
and it doesn't say that it's Jesus. I think the

1063
01:06:29,119 --> 01:06:32,760
Church leans into that it was, you know, that the

1064
01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:35,360
Angel of the Lord. It says that many people equate

1065
01:06:35,440 --> 01:06:39,599
that with with Jesus, and and you know, who knows,

1066
01:06:39,639 --> 01:06:44,559
maybe it was, but you know, they have an intervention.

1067
01:06:45,480 --> 01:06:50,960
And I think these abduction or UFO contact experiences are

1068
01:06:51,119 --> 01:06:55,119
interventions where we're just kind of giving these little nudges

1069
01:06:55,679 --> 01:06:57,920
or big nudges at that that seems like a pretty

1070
01:06:57,920 --> 01:07:02,800
big nudge, but it's it is a hopeful message, and

1071
01:07:02,880 --> 01:07:05,119
it does coexist with the Bible.

1072
01:07:05,239 --> 01:07:07,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're taught not to judge things by the appearance,

1073
01:07:07,920 --> 01:07:10,519
like we talked about, but by the fruit. So you

1074
01:07:10,559 --> 01:07:13,360
look at the fruit of these experiences and the contact

1075
01:07:13,360 --> 01:07:17,920
e Michelle. His fruit was to be more loving and

1076
01:07:18,039 --> 01:07:21,079
kind to all beings and to be open to change

1077
01:07:21,239 --> 01:07:28,199
and less violence and all good fruits. And Samuel's fruit

1078
01:07:28,239 --> 01:07:30,960
from his experience of reading the book is to follow

1079
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:34,079
the teachings of Christ. He said after reading the book,

1080
01:07:34,199 --> 01:07:36,840
he wanted to read the New Testament and learn more

1081
01:07:36,880 --> 01:07:40,320
about Christ, and he's gung ho for following the teachings

1082
01:07:40,360 --> 01:07:42,559
of Christ, which is you know, it's love.

1083
01:07:44,320 --> 01:07:46,119
Speaker 1: That was one thing that I was like, just on

1084
01:07:46,199 --> 01:07:48,000
a personal note, was like, I hope people take that

1085
01:07:48,039 --> 01:07:50,440
away from my book, Like they read my book and

1086
01:07:50,480 --> 01:07:52,760
they want to dive deeper into the Bible or they

1087
01:07:52,800 --> 01:07:55,400
want to know Jesus, you know, even after an interview

1088
01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:57,159
or a podcast, right, they want to they want to

1089
01:07:57,199 --> 01:07:59,519
read more of the Bible. And you know we mentioned

1090
01:07:59,599 --> 01:08:02,760
you know, little nuances and cool encounters in the Bible.

1091
01:08:02,840 --> 01:08:05,679
But the hope is that people would would get hungry

1092
01:08:06,000 --> 01:08:07,920
and want to go read and study for themselves and

1093
01:08:08,000 --> 01:08:10,920
experience for themselves, and and and it is the truth.

1094
01:08:11,079 --> 01:08:13,039
You know, we get hundreds of messages from people all

1095
01:08:13,039 --> 01:08:16,159
over the world that that are impacted in that way.

1096
01:08:16,199 --> 01:08:18,640
And that's the that's the the you know, the job

1097
01:08:18,680 --> 01:08:20,800
well done for me. That's that's what I'm I'm here

1098
01:08:20,840 --> 01:08:23,239
to do, and I'm glad it's happening. But you know,

1099
01:08:23,319 --> 01:08:29,000
what a what a accomplishment for for the author because

1100
01:08:29,000 --> 01:08:31,880
I've always said, I don't think there's any any any

1101
01:08:32,079 --> 01:08:35,640
you know, more flattering compliment that you can get is

1102
01:08:35,640 --> 01:08:38,279
that you know your your work or your music has

1103
01:08:38,279 --> 01:08:39,359
brought me closer to God.

1104
01:08:41,319 --> 01:08:44,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, and and so much so that this man Samuel

1105
01:08:44,600 --> 01:08:48,840
is promoting it the world and has no affiliation with it.

1106
01:08:48,920 --> 01:08:51,720
Speaker 1: I don't think you were even in here, but he

1107
01:08:52,079 --> 01:08:53,960
mentioned the music. He's like, Oh, I like your music.

1108
01:08:54,039 --> 01:08:56,560
He's like, he's been listening to my music too, and oh,

1109
01:08:56,720 --> 01:08:59,640
that's that's cool. So it's cool. He's able to get

1110
01:08:59,640 --> 01:09:01,560
the kind of full gamut of kind of what we

1111
01:09:01,640 --> 01:09:04,000
bring to the table, and you know, the music and

1112
01:09:04,079 --> 01:09:07,840
the podcast kind of being married together. It's always interesting when,

1113
01:09:08,800 --> 01:09:10,359
you know, I'm always wanting to know with people who

1114
01:09:10,399 --> 01:09:13,760
sign up on Patreon or people who because Patreon, like

1115
01:09:13,840 --> 01:09:16,119
you don't know, are they here for music or they

1116
01:09:16,119 --> 01:09:19,479
hear because of the podcast or maybe they found the book,

1117
01:09:19,520 --> 01:09:22,359
you know. And I remember when that started happening, because

1118
01:09:22,399 --> 01:09:24,359
at the beginning it was kind of like all music

1119
01:09:24,520 --> 01:09:28,159
and started the Patreon people who wanted more music or

1120
01:09:28,239 --> 01:09:32,479
exclusive music, or wanted to support to create more music

1121
01:09:32,520 --> 01:09:35,079
and music videos and all that kind of stuff. It

1122
01:09:35,159 --> 01:09:38,439
was only that. And then once the podcast started blowing

1123
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:42,880
up back in you know, twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen,

1124
01:09:42,960 --> 01:09:46,119
taking it serious, like there was a lot of people

1125
01:09:46,159 --> 01:09:48,960
signing up, and many of them didn't even know that

1126
01:09:49,039 --> 01:09:52,800
I did music, or many people who were there for

1127
01:09:53,039 --> 01:09:54,960
the music didn't know that there was a podcast, and

1128
01:09:54,960 --> 01:09:58,399
they would kind of find you know each other, and

1129
01:09:58,439 --> 01:10:01,279
it would it was like the work complimented it because

1130
01:10:01,319 --> 01:10:03,800
I would go into more detail about things I said

1131
01:10:03,800 --> 01:10:06,039
in the music, and then you can kind of hear

1132
01:10:06,119 --> 01:10:09,840
poetically a podcast episode summed up in a song or something.

1133
01:10:09,920 --> 01:10:13,640
It's so cool that whole phenomenon when it's you know,

1134
01:10:14,279 --> 01:10:16,960
the things that we have out there that are meeting

1135
01:10:16,960 --> 01:10:19,880
people where they are. Again if it's the music that's

1136
01:10:19,880 --> 01:10:22,239
reaching them on the podcasts, and then kind of the

1137
01:10:22,279 --> 01:10:25,600
two coexisting in school that that Samuel kind of mentioned,

1138
01:10:25,600 --> 01:10:30,079
both each of the podcast and the music. Again, with

1139
01:10:30,079 --> 01:10:33,479
with that being said, Patreon, we do have a membership

1140
01:10:33,680 --> 01:10:40,960
platform where we offer behind the scenes exclusive music early

1141
01:10:41,039 --> 01:10:43,359
releases on episodes. That's one thing that we're doing. We

1142
01:10:43,720 --> 01:10:46,760
release episodes a couple of days early, so if you

1143
01:10:46,840 --> 01:10:50,520
want to get the head start on the next episode

1144
01:10:50,600 --> 01:10:54,520
and be in on like be in the loop. We

1145
01:10:54,560 --> 01:10:59,600
also have Thursday night and Sunday Rising sessions where we

1146
01:11:00,000 --> 01:11:02,359
pretty much do this. I think this is what we

1147
01:11:02,399 --> 01:11:05,520
do as we interview and we talk to and we

1148
01:11:05,560 --> 01:11:08,840
share with our with our online community of people all

1149
01:11:08,880 --> 01:11:11,880
over the world, and I you know, I love it.

1150
01:11:11,920 --> 01:11:14,479
People always want to talk to me and pick my brain,

1151
01:11:14,520 --> 01:11:18,880
ask me questions, and we set to Thursdays and uh

1152
01:11:19,159 --> 01:11:21,359
Sundays aside kind of for that kind of have these

1153
01:11:21,399 --> 01:11:24,359
open dialogues with with our friends and family.

1154
01:11:24,520 --> 01:11:25,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, so if you want to be a part of that,

1155
01:11:26,159 --> 01:11:28,600
you can get those links by signing up at Patreon

1156
01:11:28,680 --> 01:11:31,760
as well, Patreon dot com, backslash, truth sycot or.

1157
01:11:32,119 --> 01:11:33,079
Speaker 4: Seer dot school.

1158
01:11:34,039 --> 01:11:36,800
Speaker 2: Our seer School community also gets that Seer Schools an

1159
01:11:36,800 --> 01:11:39,800
app where you can get all the same materials, but

1160
01:11:39,880 --> 01:11:43,560
it's in an app form. And so it's the meditations,

1161
01:11:43,600 --> 01:11:48,760
the music, community chat room, all those kinds of things,

1162
01:11:49,279 --> 01:11:52,720
you know, a little bit cleaner, more streamlined format. But

1163
01:11:53,000 --> 01:11:55,960
either one, you get access to those community calls.

1164
01:11:56,119 --> 01:11:58,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're ways for us to stay connected, you know,

1165
01:11:58,119 --> 01:12:01,800
the community calls throughout the week, you know, twice a week.

1166
01:12:01,840 --> 01:12:04,279
But then you know on the on the apps and

1167
01:12:04,319 --> 01:12:08,640
things and Discord and Patreon and see your school app.

1168
01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:13,479
Like you know, there's the DM features in private messaging

1169
01:12:13,479 --> 01:12:15,399
and message board. So it's pretty much our own social

1170
01:12:15,439 --> 01:12:19,399
media kind of thing. And again all the other exclusive stuff,

1171
01:12:19,399 --> 01:12:21,560
the meditations around there. There's so much that we do

1172
01:12:21,600 --> 01:12:24,399
and bringing to the table that it really becomes overwhelming.

1173
01:12:24,439 --> 01:12:26,560
But what we do is once we create something beautiful,

1174
01:12:26,600 --> 01:12:28,279
we put it on those apps. So if you want

1175
01:12:28,319 --> 01:12:30,520
to check it out for any level of giving, you

1176
01:12:30,520 --> 01:12:34,439
could check out the Patreon, patreon dot com, backslash truth

1177
01:12:34,800 --> 01:12:37,960
Seka and we'd love to have you. With that being said,

1178
01:12:38,000 --> 01:12:40,159
we're going to say Peace and Shaloon. Let us know

1179
01:12:40,159 --> 01:12:43,960
in the comment section what you sought about this interview

1180
01:12:44,119 --> 01:12:46,760
and who you would like to see us jump on

1181
01:12:46,920 --> 01:12:50,880
a interview and call conversation with with next. We'd love

1182
01:12:50,920 --> 01:12:51,640
to hear your thoughts.

1183
01:12:51,880 --> 01:12:55,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, we love you. You're not alone, like we're all

1184
01:12:55,600 --> 01:12:58,079
going through stuff right now, so come join the community

1185
01:12:58,119 --> 01:13:00,000
and chat with us about it.

1186
01:13:00,079 --> 01:13:03,000
Speaker 1: Let's go do it together. Yeah, right, love you guys,

1187
01:13:03,000 --> 01:13:05,760
Peace and Shaloon will do it again. Hey, thank you

1188
01:13:05,800 --> 01:13:09,159
so much for watching this episode. I hope you enjoyed.

1189
01:13:09,199 --> 01:13:11,479
I want you to know that there is a video

1190
01:13:11,800 --> 01:13:15,239
right here that you can watch. The video right by me.

1191
01:13:15,399 --> 01:13:18,159
Speaker 2: Click this fude, No, don't click his video. Click my

1192
01:13:18,279 --> 01:13:21,800
video his video is probably about demons and dark stuff. Anyways,

1193
01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:24,399
mine's probably about angels and awesome stuff.

1194
01:13:25,039 --> 01:13:28,720
Speaker 1: She has a point, So you decide the demon or

1195
01:13:28,760 --> 01:13:30,279
the angel. What do you go with