Speaker 1: Today's guest is somewhat of an ambassador for a man
who had a UFO alien abduction experience in nineteen eighty seven.
Some of the claims that he's bringing to the table
is that a religion is misunderstood, that people have misunderstood
the teachings and works of Christ and have perverted the teachings.
That Earth is a place where souls are supposed to
incarnate to see if they'll be able to be let
into another planet. Some of these claims may seem a
little bit far fetched.
Speaker 2: Even claims that the Tomb of Christ is not in Jerusalem,
that it's actually in Japan, and that Jesus and the
Christ may have been two different individuals. So a lot
of different things in there that are question marks.
Speaker 1: Did aliens build the pyramids, lost technology, levitation, telepathy, all
of these things are covered in this episode and more
of the Truth Seeker and Aaron podcast Stay tuned, merging
the two topics of UFOs aliens, extra dimensional extraterrestrial beings,
and the caveat for us, which is the icing on
the cake is Jesus and how all these kind of
work together in your story and the message that you're
bringing So I know this is going to be a
great interview. Again, welcome to the podcast. If you want
to go ahead and start by kind of giving a
brief intro, who you are, what you do, and why
you're here.
Speaker 3: Well, I was born in Beijing, China in nineteen seventy eight.
Came to the US at the age of fifteen and
went to UC Berkeley, and now I'm a lawyer and
also a certified court interpreter and the Chinese translator. The
reason that I really want to talk about the book
is that this book really convinced me to follow the
teachings of Christ. Because in the past, even though I
went to the church in Los Angeles, I did not
believe anything within the Bible. I went to the church
for social reasons to expand my social network and business opportunities. However,
after reading this book, Theoba Prophecy, it really convinced me
that the right way to live is to follow the
teachings of Christ.
Speaker 1: And so this book, The Thiabo Prophecy, is that close enough.
It was written by Michelle how do you pronounce the
last name?
Speaker 4: Demarque?
Speaker 1: And it was originally titled here the Journey to the
Nice Planet or the adduction to the nice planet.
Speaker 4: Yes, exactly.
Speaker 1: So this is a claim that he experienced an abduction
scenario phenomena and he was taken aboard a spacecraft, a
blue spacecraft, to the nice planet Thabo.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Actually, the book talks about his encounters with the Ets,
who are highly advanced and have been a very advanced civilization,
who took him to their planet called Theoba for nine
days and then came back. And the book actually answers
a lot of the questions about the paranormal, about the
ancient civilizations, about how the mind is so powerful, and
the miracles that Christ performed after he began preaching. Also
about the dangers facing Earth right now, the real dangers
number one money, number two politicians, number three journalists and drugs,
and number four organized religions. So this is actually the
book explains what happened in the past where we all
came from originally, and the creation of the universe, and
human beings as versus ets, and all the things about
the pyramid and the Bermuda Triangle, ghosts and spirits and
everything is splained in the book in very logical and
reasonable manner. It makes common sense, perfect sense to me.
Speaker 2: So one thing that as we were kind of doing
an overview of the material, that strikes us as unusual,
at least for me, like it's something I had never
heard before, was that there's a tomb for Jesus Christ
in Japan. But you know, a lot of the Western
Church goes to Jerusalem to visit the tomb that Christ
supposedly resurrected out of So can you speak a little
bit to those discrepancies And is that addressed in the
book at all?
Speaker 3: Yes, the book toxic extensively the reasons why there's a
tomb of Jesus in Japan that's not a tomb for Christ,
but the tomb for Jesus. Actually, that's the main reason
that I'm convinced everything within the book is true because
the book was written in nineteen eighty nine. He had
an encounter in nineteen eighty seven. It took him two
years to read a book and got the book published
in nineteenninety three, way or many years before internet arrived
in Australia where it became popular. And he was actually
a landscaper in Kain's Queensland, Australia, who didn't have a
lot of education, who did not know how to type
on computer now to say, how to search online in
later years when the Internet went to Australia. So the
book described in detail that matched the descriptions that you
can find nowadays about the tomb of Jesus in Japan,
and also answers the question why there's no record in
the Bible of Jesus performing miracles before the age of thirty,
before he began preaching, and also explains why some people
say that Jesus went to India, and also explains how
and why Christ died on the cross and then resurrected
three days after what Christ was teaching us about the
spirituality and love and also life after death and all
the things that he was preaching. And also I think
this book explains everything that happened as described in the
Bible very logically, talking about how Jesus was born from
Virgin Mary, from the embryo that was put into the
uterus of Virgin Mary to catch people's attention that someone
special or miraculous was going to be born this way,
and so the king Herold was paranoid and killing so
many big babies at that time, and then how Jesus
went to India and through China and to Japan, and
then how Christ came to us and then started to
preach about spirituality and all the things that's described in
the Bible, and this book explains perfectly how everything was connected.
Speaker 1: We're going to get more into that, into the teachings
of Jesus and his life and his impact on your
life and how you began reading the Bible and how
this book kind of was the caveat for you to
start believing in Jesus and reading the Bible for yourself.
But let's get more into Michelle's experience and encounter, Like
I always want to know, like how did this happen?
Does he go into detail about when he saw the
craft or if he even saw it, how the abduction
phenomena happened, and what did the beings look like? Because
I know he talks about all types of other anomalies
and like giants, what is it cockroaches or ants and
things like that that he saw on other planets that
he was shown. But what did the beings look like?
And how did this abduction scenario take place for him?
Speaker 3: First of all, there are different kinds of eteys. You know,
multivid galaxies are rare advanced such as the ones that
the Aarthur Michelle encountered. Some are not so advanced, such
as the ones that their spacecraft crashed down Earth in
which the US government has been working with the Grace.
And the ets that Michelle encountered are highly spiritual. They're
nero ten foot tall, they're lorded looking. They're hermaphrodites, meaning
that they have both male and female sexual organs, so
they are a compassionate beings.
Speaker 4: They don't die.
Speaker 3: They can generate and regenerate their body cells and tissues.
They can perform all the miracles that Christ performed, and
they can actually communicate through telepathy. They can limit it.
They can materialize or manifest objects. They can project images
to people's minds. They can also heal all the diseases
you can think of. They are all importent beans, but
there are also ET's that exist in the universe. And
they tell Michelle that there are different kindst's And actually
they presented to Michelle the other different kinds of ets
on their planet. And it actually happened in June nineteeny
seven in Keynes, Australia. It happened in the middle of
the night. Michelle didn't know why but he woke up suddenly.
He did not know why, but he wrote a note
to his wife saying that he'll begun for ten days
or so and there's absolutely no need to worry about him.
And he walks outside of his house and then he
was lifted up to the mid air where he saw
Et wearing spacesuit. And then he was told that he
was going to have a journey together for about nine
or ten days or so and he would be come
back safely. So they started journey, and they stopped at
the planet in which appeared to be the aftermath of
nuclear destruction a nuclear war, in which he saw gigantic
and cockroaches and things like that. And so this is
what happened. Basically, he was told a lot of information
and knowledge about the paranormal and the pyramid, things like that.
Speaker 1: You know, one thing I find interesting about a lot
of these experiences and claims now is that a lot
of these things that he was talking about in nineteen
eighty nine are things that we're talking about now. Free energy,
free technology, being able to levitate objects the body using
sound frequencies and sound waves, which is some type of
information that in the past seems to be suppressed, but
I think there's a resurgence with knowledge and with the
Internet and with a lot of people's experiences and stories
that are coming back to the forefront. So that's something
that's very interesting that I think a lot of the
abduction scenarios have in common, or I think a better
term now that we hear a lot more is they
don't even call themselves adeptease, but they call themselves contact
these or experiencers, And it's something that I guess the
abduction term had like a negative connotation where they were
taken against their will, But there's so many humans now
who are like wanting to facilitate and wanting to have
a experience like this, and I think that they're having it.
So contact seems to be on the rise, and a
lot of people are having their own genuine contact experiences
and are coming too similar conclusions about life, spirituality, advanced technology,
about Jesus and all of these things. So there's this
commonality that a lot of people are finding when it
comes to extraterrestrial beings, and you know where we are
in the state of the world. And while there's a
need for this type of higher information, higher knowledge that's
coming from these helpers if you.
Speaker 3: Will, exactly, and the book explains how anti gravitational technology works,
how they were able to build a great pyramid in
our ancient past where we had very advanced civilization, but
then we had a great reset. There are actually two
main great resets main in the history of Main China Earth.
This is why when we see these statutes on Eastrae Island,
Pung Ku and some of the megalistic structures in Latin
America and parts of Asia, we sometimes wonder how those
structures the buildings were built. In fact, when you can
if you can neutralize gravity, you see a variation of frequency,
you can make the huge stones become witless without weight,
and this is how they did it. And in the
past people in the past, in ancient civilizations, they had
the knowledge to do this, but then because of something
happened natural designs there something else happened that the civilization
was lost and the technology.
Speaker 4: Was also lost.
Speaker 3: So this is the book actually explains everything what happened
in our past and how the stories or the events
descressing the Bible came about, so everything makes perfect sense.
I strongly encourage people to check out the book and
to reading more details.
Speaker 2: So were there any warnings or anything, or was the
main goal of his visit with these beings just to
share information and kind of show what's possible and give
information about the past or were there any warnings or
kind of like we're on the wrong path at the
moment as a planet.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 4: Both.
Speaker 3: Actually they wanted to show us how civilizations, the people
in the different civilizations lived in the past, for example
in Limoria or the continent move and also at Lentists
how people.
Speaker 4: In the past, as well as the.
Speaker 3: Warnings nowadays, especially the technology technological development. And the book
was written in nineteen eighty nine before the internet event
of internet, and nowadays we have the Internet, we have
AI and everyone is focusing a lot on the technologies
and well accumulations. And the book once against that, saying
that we focus too much on the materialistic aspect of life,
You're going to miss the point of life, which is
to experience, to have spiritual experience, to learn the spiritual lessons,
which is the essence of life on earth. So it
talks about how the cycle of life develops, goes on,
and also the creations of human beings as well as
the ets in the universe. Specifically, it talks about when
the Creator, which is a pure spirit, and this is
why Catholic Church people believe that God does not have
a face, so it's a pure spirit. So when the
Creator created everything, it inserted a tiny portion of itself
to each other astrobodies. So we are part of the
Creator and the Creator is part of us. So through
our physical bodies, the Creator experiences everything through us and
we send constant feedback to the Creator. So in essence,
we can communicate to the Creator directly through meditation, through prayers,
without going through intermediary agency like the church or organized religions,
so we can really learn and experience everything we experience
and without really have to report to the pastor the priests.
In essence, this is the meaning of life. It is
to experience everything and to elevate our spirituality.
Speaker 1: So you know, he was shown essentially why earth exists.
It's almost like this school for the soul or the
soul incarnates here to develop itself. Does he talk about
once the soul develops itself, will it be let into
these other planets or dimensions. Once we are able to
get out the evil or the wickedness out of our
astrobody or out of our soul. Once we're able to
deal with it here, that we're elevated up to higher dimensions,
which many Christians may call a type of heaven or
something like that, or New Jerusalem. That I think the
Bible is clear that the evil are actually on the
outside of the New Jerusalem, like they actually won't be
let in, and it almost kind of seems like it's
this parallel story of what we're experiencing on Earth where
we're here, and that there's wickedness here and all the
things that are mentioned of the evil people that we
I think humans in general still have the capability to
commit such heinous acts as well as beautiful acts as well.
Let's you know, not negate that, but to see Earth
as this kind of training ground to see who's going
to be let in and if you can be trusted
in the next life of the world to come. Can
you give us a little bit more information about what
he said about kind of Earth being this training ground
for the soul.
Speaker 3: Exactly Earth, according to the ETS, it's just like elementary
schools for us to learn the basic principles of life,
how spiritual lessons, and then we can graduate and move
up the ladder and to go to maybe middle school,
high school, or college. And the ets from Fiova they're
not God, they're not the Creator. They're the ets from
for example, like a college, Harvard or Yo. So they
actually kind of guide us and serve as our mentor
giving us nudges occasionally sometimes directly, sometimes indirectly, and they
really respect our free will. So my kind of speculation
that when we read the Bible, we tend to read
a lot of parables. For example, the concept free will
is one of the concepts that portrayed as a parable
in a parable in the Bible, when you are told
not to eat an apple from a tree, but you
exercise your free will, and still is it that you
have to face the consequences. So that's actually a parable
for a free will, and that's probably the reason why
we have so many deviations on earth from the right path.
And the ets are just guiding us and trying to
say that you should look inside for answers, for the
Kingdom of God is within you. You should really you
shouldn't worship idols. So this is the concept of the
Old Testament. Follow the ten commandments and don't worship idols.
Because the King of God is within you. You don't
need to worship idols because you can connect to the source,
the Creator directly. And once we pass, once we die,
our astro body leaves a physical body, and then there's
going to be a lifely real process in which everything
will be shown to you. You're going to be able
to experience and feel how you felt as well as
how others felt. It's like a holographic film in which
we experienced everything. So this is actually talked about by
a lot of people who have had neu deathic experiences.
And then you're going to understand everything that happened from
the birth, from your birth to the moment that you pass,
you died, and then you're going to realize what kind
of things you did, correctly or incorrectly. You're going to
have a self evaluation. But because you are part of
the Creator and the Creator is part of you, is
also in a sense the judgment by the Creator or
by God. So in essence, you evaluate everything you did
and then you determine what kind of spiritual lessons you
learn in your next life.
Speaker 4: And you can live on earth.
Speaker 3: You can if you purify your soul or your spirit,
you can move up and to live on a better planet,
a different category of planet, and then when you reach
certain levels of different cycles, you can actually live on
a category nine or the planet in which the Thetubans
came from. It's like a paradise. Everything is so perfect.
But in between, before you really move up the letter,
you are going to have a very blasful feeling in
which a lot of ND people experienced, So that feels
like in heaven. But that's kind of like an intermediary
stage before the cycle continues. In essence, this is reported
or reported by Michelle according to the Ets. Actually he
was led by the Etist to see how he lived
in different lifetimes on different planets. And we do learn
the basic principles on Earth, but we can really live
on a different planet and then we can actually join
and rejoin.
Speaker 4: The Creator or the great Ether, the pure Spirit.
Speaker 3: This is how things go as a cycle for human
beings on Earth as well as for the Ets.
Speaker 2: So it's it's like a filter, like a filtering process
where we go through these levels and these planets and
purify ourselves to the best of our abilities, and then
once we are complete on this journey, we go to
the next level per se, Like let's say we graduated
Earth School, we go to the next level, and the
next level, the ultimate goal is to be completely rejoined
with the creative spirit, the ether force.
Speaker 4: Exactly. You nailed it. And they use the word filter
in the book as well.
Speaker 1: Nice. Yes, it's interesting too. Was like we've kind of
studying satellites and how these satellites are almost like this
this border or this planet or sphere that kind of
watches another one like I'm gonna, you know, look over
your shoulder kind of thing. And it's almost how we
were looking at these different satellite planets. Will say that
when I say satellite, a satellite planet such as the
Moon and things like that, and so each planet has
moons and satellites that are kind of watching over it
or protecting it, and they act as filters as well,
the Moon even controlling the tides of the water for
our planet. Right, but it almost seems like Earth is
a satellite or a filter for for Heaven. Right, Like
this is you have to pass through this this veil
first to see if you can purify yourself enough to
get in. And you know, whoever designed this, right, the ets,
or or or God or both together. I think they
did a pretty good job because I think, you know,
we would, you know, want heaven on earth or want
this perfect, perfect world. But we're not perfect people, right,
so we have to kind of go through these processes
to get the inconsistencies and get the impurities out so
that we can be refined as something beautiful that that
can be let in and not corrupt or hurt the
you know, the beings or the people are brothers and
sisters who are already there, so you know, and I
see that sentiment all through the Bible as well, and
kind of that that that reasoning and this these cycles
of incarnation, if you will. And so with that being said,
there's a term that's being used a lot now called
the simulation theory and wondering if Earth or this reality
is a simulation that is being performed by higher beings,
more advanced beings, futuristic humans at that this simulation theory.
Have you heard about that and do you have any
any thoughts? So maybe that can coexist in this you know,
maybe it's just another word for some of the things
we've been talking about.
Speaker 3: I heard I've heard about that, and I hear you
as well. And in my mind and my speculation is
that we are people living on earth trying to experience
everything and trying to respond to the challenges in life.
Speaker 4: So this is a way to learn spiritual lessons.
Speaker 3: And there are certain events and things that are predestined
to happen, but we also have a free will to
respond to the challenges and to those events that are
predestined to happen. So it's like we are students taking exam.
The questions on exam are already made by the examiners,
and we are the students trying to respond to the questions.
We can fail, and we can also excel get a
hendred score. So it really up to our free will
how to prepare ourselves, how to study the exam and
to get a perfect score.
Speaker 4: And also, if you fail the.
Speaker 3: Exam, you're going to retake it. So this is actually
the reason why I firmly believe we should follow the
teachings of Christ, because that's a way to excel and
to get a perfect score on exam.
Speaker 1: How many how many times can we can we take
that exam? Have we been? Was there a certain number?
Is this infinite? Because I took my driving test about
five times before I passed it. Is there a certain
amount of times we can do this over and over
until we get it right? Or is there like, hey,
you know what I'm saying, like a one and done
kind of thing, or you know, the Bible talks about
like two deaths, like a second death kind of thing.
Is is there a number until you, like you, you know,
descend into a lower realm if that you know, a
hellish realm or something.
Speaker 3: I mean, there's no number. You can take it as
many times as you need to. But for me, I
really want to graduate as quickly as possible to go
to Hommers, So I want to follow the teachers of Christ.
But if you don't, then you can retake it. And also,
according to the ETS, hell is actually imagination of the
people from the church. There's not like a hell when
you die, but you're going to suffer tells you're going
to experience the people that you mistreated. For example, Hitler
killed so many people and then he when he passes,
he's going to experience all the pains and sufferings of
the Jewish people that he killed. So in essence, he
was experiencing like a hell like experience because of the
things that he did. But really, like when you die,
there's no hell for people to go into. It's the
individual experience that someone experiences because of the things he
did in his lifetime.
Speaker 4: So this is an explanation given by the ets.
Speaker 2: So with this kind of levels and hierarchies of planets,
are there also like a hierarchy of different ets and
beings that are in charge to Watchever, kind of like
the theory of lesser gods or demigods underneath the supreme Creator.
Speaker 3: Yes, there are different kinds of ets, and some are
were advanced, such as the ones that really helped Moses
to part of sea, parts in the sea for Moses,
giving the Hebrews manners like the the Ubans and responsible
for the births of Jesus and resurrection of Christ. And
there are also the lesser advanced ets such as the
Grace Who's the UFO the u APS crashed on Earth
in which the people in the US and have been
focusing too much on reverse engineering the technologies from the
crashed the UFO, the u A p S. So they're
learning from the people who or the etis there's bas
craft crashed, so they're learning the ones from the lesser etis.
But we want to learn from the better, more advanced ets,
the ones who have been helping us throughout history. And
actually this book got into China miraculously as a science
fiction but a lot of people believe that this is
the true account.
Speaker 4: Of what the other experience.
Speaker 3: Last in the last few years, the Chinese government UH
no longer allowed the Bible to be sold in China.
But after this book was published in China, people got
a strong interest in reading the Bible and reading the
teachings of scriptures. And because this book talks about the
events happened in the Bible, you know, very logical fashion,
logical manner that makes perfect sense.
Speaker 4: So I think we really should.
Speaker 3: Learn from the more advanced cities and not from the Grace.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's something I wanted to ask you as well,
because there's a disconnect for us here and and I
know it's one way of looking at it from a
Christian perspective of why the Bible isn't allowed in China. Right,
there's an attack on God or you know, morals and
principles in the Bible. But there's really a lot of
different things in the Bible, and the Bible in the
wrong hands turns into a weapon of mass destruction. It
just it just does any sacred and holy x does
when the wicked get a hold of it. But what
what does the Chinese government like, what is the reasoning
about banning the Bible uh in China? Is there an
official statement or reason why?
Speaker 3: So they want the stability of the country. So with
so many people believing in Christianity, they think there's going
to be a threat to the governance of China, the
Communist Party of China. So this is why they don't
want any religion to be extremely powerful that would post
as a threat to the government. It's very similar to
the idea that like we a lot of people in
the in the Western world, they post the ets as
a threat. So so in fact it's not a threat
to the main kind of earth.
Speaker 1: Threat to the religion though right in the governments you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so so it's very unfortunate. But I always suggest
people read the teachings of Christ more seriously.
Speaker 1: Are these beings here with us now? You talk about them,
you know, watching over us kind of thing and kind
of popping in too to share some knowledge and wisdom
here and there. But are they are they living amongst us.
Are these advanced beings here in and and human looking bodies,
shorter bodies living a life and going to work and
maybe live next door to you or is there is it?
Did he ever speak about that?
Speaker 3: The book doesn't really talk about it. But I know
that the different kinds of etees live on Earth. For example,
the Grace they work with the US government. And and
actually there's a psychic called Alex Tanos he actually encountered
the Grace the ets in New Mexico. Because he had
the psychic abilities. He was able to communicate with the
greed ets uh through their mind through telepathy. And yeah,
there are different kinds of and the itties from Theoba
they come to us from time to time, and they
can influence the decisions of the government leaders UH, and
they sometimes intervene. For example, according to this book, they
actually prevented Germany from being the first country to develop
the atomic bomb during World War two, and the World
War two much earlier than I would have been otherwise.
And I did check it out. There's a German scientist
called doctor Heisenberg who was far more advanced than the
American scientist in developing the atomic bomb. But for some
strange reason, very strange reason. He made a very stupid mistake,
a miscalculation that in turn, the report was read by
Hiler and Hitler believed that Germany did not have the
natural resources materials mix the bomb, so he gave out
the plan. So this is why the American got the
lead and deployed the bomb in the bombs in Japan.
And in the sense, the ETS sided with the US
government because the government was more sincere in protecting individual
liberties according to the ETS. And this is actually some
of the things that the ETS intervened. And also they
were responsible for the destructions of Sodian Gomorrah. And if
you read the ancient scriptures, you're going to realize that
it's not just about sodomy. There are a lot of
other things, evil things that the people in the two
cities did. They punished the compassionate people who helped the poor,
Like a girl gave food to a background street and
the girl was punished, and actually she cried out to
Lord and to the Al Jehovah. And then so it's
just like when you have a malignant tumor in your body,
on your arm, then it's going to spread. Then the
right thing to do is to remove it surgically. And similarly,
this is what the ets did. The people in the
two cities were so evil and they were going to
affect the people who got in touch with them, So
this is why they removed the two cities or distracted
the two cities. So the Ets help us intervene and
appear to us from time to time. When according to
this book in Ancient Civilizations, a list in the Muria
that appeared in the Pacific Ocean, the Ets from Theopa
had frequent contact with people on Themuria because people behaved
civilly in a verse civilized manner. They were highly advanced spiritually,
and people did not people lived there and did not
have money. In essence, they just grabbed whatever they needed
from the marketplace. Because no one took advantage of each other.
People lived harmoniously and perfectly.
Speaker 4: There was no war.
Speaker 3: So so at that time people were ready spiritually to
have direct contact with the ets. But now we have
a lot of wars in the world and we are
not ready yet.
Speaker 1: And and they talk about a destruction right that this,
you know, civilization could could be reset if we stay
on this kind of path of materialism. War selfishness, which
which it seems like, you know, there's a lot of people,
but but it also seems like like the majority of
people are asking the bigger, deeper questions and are leaning
more into compassion and and things like that, you know,
And that's what it's. It seems like whenever it's the
majority of the people who are doing some thing on
on on a planet, that that the you know, helpers
show up or kind of intervene. With that being said,
with this idea of ascension where you know, could Earth,
if Earth could be destroyed, could it get an upgrade?
Or does it need to stay this? You know, this
this type of school for the beings, you know, do
do the beings go somewhere else? We we know about
you know the arc and uh, you know, going to
New Jerusalem and being taken off planet to a different planet.
And this one stays the way it is because it's
fearfully and wonderfully made and it's a perfect place for
beings to souls to incarnate on and you know, go
through this this process. You but but could you see
Earth as as a whole getting an upgrade or the
people who get an upgrade be kind of taken off
planet to a to a new new planet.
Speaker 3: The people get upgrade, so when the people pass or die,
their spirit there after bodies will go on to a
different planet, a better planet, to live there in physical forms.
So this is how the evolutions go and the Earth
will remain will remain as a category one planet, a
basic level planet is the people when they purify their
spirits sufficiently, they can live on a better planet. And
there are also a lot of things mentioned in the
book that kind of struck me, which is the fact
that according and I think astronomers agree that there's a
lifetime for any planet in the universe, so a planet
doesn't really last forever. And when the core of a
planet cools down, it no longer has the electro magnetic
force to capture the atmosphere, so the planet will become
like a desert like Mars. So in fact, Mars had
people that lived there, but since the core of Mars
could down, it has become like a desert because it
lost the atmosphere. So people will migrate to different planets
from time to time. And so this is why when
we elevate ourselves, it's better to elevate our spirit in
order to move up to live to be able to
live on a better planet. And this is also been
interesting because we o came from different planets originally, so
when the Creator created human beings, it also created the
etis as well. And because we migrate from planet to planet,
we originally all came from planets of different categters or
different planets. Like the Blacks, Yellow, Caucasian, and the ancestors
of the poll nations all came from a category of
one planet, the basic level planet. However, the Hebrews came
here accidentally from a different category of planet. This actually
explains why the Hebrews were the chosen people and also
why Jewish people excel at everything that they do, Like
they account only for about point two percent of world population,
but twenty two percent Nobel Prize winners are Jewish people.
They're exceptional in different fields that they enter into. So
this actually explains perfectly why certain things happen nowadays and
why people are different in some senses. So this book
actually really opens my eyes to a great extent, and
though explains the psychic ability is how we can practice
meditation and really to really be more spiritual.
Speaker 1: That's that's awesome. It makes me think of a saying
that a friend of ours has Illuminati Congo. He says
that like Earth is kind of like on Star Wars,
you have the cantina, where the cantina has all the
different beings from different planets. They're kind of co mingling together,
and you know, some of them are good, some of
them are bad, some of them are drinking, some are
having fun. But it's like this melting pot of beings
from all over the galaxy of the multiverse.
Speaker 2: So do you think or does it say in the
book at all? Do you think that the original in
the Bible where it talks about let us make man
in our image, the original man the atom, do you
think that he was possibly an et or a different
kind of being or was he a basic level level
one human being.
Speaker 3: So the Old Testament was written by the Hebrews, and
they were actually specifically talking about the Hebrews, and actually, uh,
it actually applies to different kinds of people as well,
the Yellows, the Blacks and Caucasians too.
Speaker 4: When when he talks.
Speaker 3: About that, it's actually illustrating. You see un parable, You
see illustration that God the Creator put in a tiny
portion of itself to each other asrobodies. So so it's
really not a literary explanation. It's more figuratively speaking that
we are part of the Creator. And and also Michelle
the author was shown different kinds of bets on different
planets and they look very differently, uh. And some of
them look like our Native American chief, some of them
look like very strange animals. So so it's it's it's
really diverse in essence. We are all the creations of
the Creator, and the Hebrews are kind of unique on Earth.
But there are different kinds of ets on different planets
that are similar.
Speaker 4: To the Hebrews.
Speaker 3: So I think when the disclosure or it contact is
finally made, the Jewish people will have to be involved
because they're kind of like a unique people on Earth.
Speaker 1: You know. I do find it and I see how
these two ideas tie together. Here this thing that Christ
mentioned and also Paul in the Bible where it says
like a true Jew it is not one who was
born in Jerusalem or right, or born after a certain bloodline,
but it says the true Jew is one inwardly right.
And so there's this idea that being a Israelite or
one of the Chosen people of God that they could
incarnate through different bloodlines. But it's this divine spark from
the Gods that that are that's spread out throughout the
four corners of the planet. And and uh, and that
you can't just look at a person and say they're special,
just like you can't look at you know, the thing,
the thing with the you know, the Hebrews of the Jews,
you can't look at them. All of them are good people,
all of them are divine, all of them are you know,
righteous people, just like we can't look at it and
say that every black is good or every black is bad,
or every white is good and white is lovely and pure,
like these kind of things. But there's this mixture. And
it's very interesting how you know, some of that is
mentioned in the New Testament, how you can't just judge
a book by its cover, but you judge them kind
of by their fruit and uh. And I would say,
you know, tying that in with the et thing, just
because you know the way they look, you know, just
like you mentioned like a lot of the Church would
say that the Ets and or even the Grays are demons,
like anything off world, anything that doesn't look like us
is demonic and and just because it looks scary or
they may look grotesque or something like that doesn't mean
that they are. And that's a that's a principle that
I think a lot of people in the in uh
in spirituality have to learn when you're approached by different
beings that that don't look like you, so that we
don't judge them too quickly, because if you're in an
experience or something like that, or you want to move forward,
it really has the power to end abruptly when you
become scared that a being or a person for that matter,
looks different or is different than you.
Speaker 3: You know, I totally agree we cannot judge a book
based cover or just look at people's appearance and make determinations.
Speaker 1: Were there. So again like you know, me mentioning this
and asking about the different beings that that are here,
and you mentioned the Grace and we talk about you know,
there's paranormal occurrences and etheric beings and angels and all
of this kind of stuff. Are there any does he
talk about them looking like humans and actually being again
like do like like going to work, like working a job,
but they are higher beings and they know that they're
higher beings, but they may be on the same football
team as somebody, or you know, you know, you know,
they may be a coworker or a neighbor, and they
know that they are from this other realm or or
could be hundreds of if not thousands of years old
in incarnate here kind of watching over humanity, but from
this place of humility where they're actually doing life with you,
that that we would mistake as a beggar or as
just a you know, a normal person. Do they talk
about that at all?
Speaker 3: Yes, they actually appeared as angels in our past, in
our ancient history, as documented in the Old Testaments, So
they actually came to Earth and had direct contact with
us and appearance angels, And nowadays I think they can
also appear. And if you're able to look at the
if you're able to perceive auras or the human energy feels,
then you're probably going to be able to tell whether
this person is spiritually advanced such as ets, or this
person has evil intentions. I know some our readers, like
Barbara Brennan or Judis Collins who not only can see
ours but also shacrasts, so they're able to tell whether
a person is having physical illness or will have physical
illness or not. This actually coincidized with my upbringing in
which my parents are Chinese doctors. In the ancient past,
traditional Chinese doctors could see the colors of auras and
to use different herbs to kind of remedy the different
illness because different herbs have different vibrational frequencies. When you
boil the herbs into water, you're using the water as
a carrier of the vibrational frequencies of the herb, and
then we'll drink the liquid or the tea. It kind
of remedies your your different energy fields. So you're going
to improve physically or health healthwise. And this is actually
why vibrational frequencies are so important in terms of music
as well, and also colors as well.
Speaker 4: So everything is about.
Speaker 3: Vibrations and frequencies and energy. As the tesla said, So
so this is a and when you can see ours,
if you develop the ability to see oors, you're able
to tell w trans and et.
Speaker 2: So, going back to his question about the the angels
taking on a human appearance, you made a distinction earlier
between the tomb of Christ and the tomb of Jesus
is it. Because you know that Jesus was born at
kind of as a human being and then the Christ
spirit married itself to him and that's when he became
the Christ. Do you think that that's the thing.
Speaker 3: So what happened is that the Etis wanted to help
the people on earth. So and the first they helped
the Hebrews under the Egyptians regime during Exodus before Exodus,
because the Egyptians were suppressing the spiritual divin or the Hebrews.
So this is why they had Mostes who come and
to help the Hebrews to to escape from the evil
rules of the Pharaohs. So and the Romans regime rule.
You know, the Romans believed in different gods or goddesses.
It's kind of like idle worship. So it made a
lot of confusions to the people. So this is why
the they decided to intervene and to had a very
miraculous event that happened, which is the birth of Jesus
from Virgin Mary. So everything that is when in the
Bible is true, basically true. And with the Star of Bethlehem,
you can imagine that's the uf or UAP And actually
I can pinpoint the exact date of the birth of
Jesus from the astronomical records of China, because China kept
a very detailed record saying that there's a star in
the sky that lasted for seventy days, and I can
give you the date as well. So the young Jesus
was born, and because he was born this way, his
astrobody enters into the embryo of Virgin Mary. It has
to go through by natural law what the ancient Nagas
would call the river of oblivion, forgetting all the memories
of the past, forgetting the ability to perform miracles, so
that young Jesus could not perform miracles, even though he
was highly spiritual, having a profound conversation with the teachers
of the temple.
Speaker 4: He went to India.
Speaker 3: This is why people say that Jesus went to India
through China and died in Japan. So this is why
there's a tomb of Japan. But Christ is actually a
different entity. So what the Eaties did was that they
actually created a body they resembled the appearance of Jesus,
and they had helped their people to come into the
body made by them that appeared to be like Jesus.
In order in order to perform miracles. Why because people
in the past as well as people nowadays, they're highly skeptical.
Unless someone could perform miracles, his teachings wouldn't have been
believed by the people at that time. So he had
to perform miracles. So he remembered everything, including his purpose
on earth, which is to show people the or to
teach people for basic principles. And there's life after death.
And he was crucified and then resurrected after three days
and this is actually true, and this is actually to
show people at the time that there's life after death,
to give people hope and and so that they don't
just think that this is the end of everything.
Speaker 1: What is What are some of the other types of
beings that he was shown on on different planets? And
I know I've seen something about planets that were destroyed.
You mentioned, you know, Mars, but that there were still
types of beings there. And again one of them were
large red ants and things like that that were like
giants and things. What were some of the different types
that that he saw as well, So we.
Speaker 4: All came from different planets.
Speaker 3: The one that had the red large and uh, it's
actually a planet called a Remo X three in which
the ancestors of the Polynesians.
Speaker 4: Came from.
Speaker 3: Uh, there's a planet that the people that lose Livan
Muria came from. He also saw like another et that's
kind of having a square shaped body called Archie, in
which it's also like a primitive planet. Also comes from
a primitive planet, but there are more spiritually advanced than
people on Earth. And talking about that, they had four
people on their planet that preached about spirituality and love
and got killed by a dictatorship government. And then people
realized what had happened, and they started the movement like
UH and demonstrated peacefully, having a non violence strike, and
then the government became a more democratic spiritual government whence
everyone realized what was happening because they had an inertia
of realization that everyone acted together and participated in the strike.
So that's one planet or one et that he saw.
He also saw different kinds of etis on the planet Theoba,
and he actually saw the I don't want to spoil it,
but he saw the body of made back by then
that appeared to be the body of Christ. And he
actually saw the details like the marks, the injuries injury
marks of the whips that the Christ suffered when he
was on the cross. He also saw the the the nail,
the the the injury mark of the nail that punched
through his risk, not not the pound, but the risk.
If you study human antonomy, you're going to realize that
if you nail someone on the palm, uh, the body
weight will be too heavy and then it will not
support the body weight.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: It's only through the risks that you can really crucify someone.
So this is one detail he observed. So there are
a lot of very, very very interesting details in the
book that can be verified by modern science and also.
Speaker 4: By a lot of research.
Speaker 1: How did you find a book like? How did it
come into your life?
Speaker 3: I was very curious about learning knowledge from advanced ets
and that searched on Amazon books written by it compact tees,
and I found this book. It was only very expensively
back then, back in to twenty fourteen, over one hundred
dollars or so, so I checked it out from the
local library.
Speaker 1: Have there been any other experience or stories that has
stood out to you over the years. We interviewed one
of the ambassadors for Reale and the ralliance where he
had a contact experience Reale. I want to I forgot
must say it's the seventies. I think it was where
a craft came down here to him and kind of
showed him similar similar things. Is there is there any
any other notable abduction stories or people that you think
maybe working with or inspired by ET's or something like
that that that kind of stands out to you.
Speaker 3: I actually had read so many books written by ET
contacts by the time that I found this book.
Speaker 4: I think this book is very unique.
Speaker 3: Because it has a lot of specific, verifiable facts and
that makes common sense. For example, if one ET contact
E says that the ET tell him that the Great
Pyramid was built you seen two hundred thousand slaves in
a forty year period of time, that really wouldn't make
a lot of sense to me because it could have
had in that way.
Speaker 4: But this book talks about.
Speaker 3: The fact that the pyramid was built using anti gravitational
technologies and supersonic vibtory systems to cut a huge stone
seamer precise manner. It was built by thoughts in nine
year time, and so that a pyramid could be used
as an energy center to for the ancient pharaohs to
communicate with people on different planets and also to make
ring as well. It makes perfect sense because we can
validate that, especially with the recent discovery that there are
subterranean underground structures beneath the pyramid. So I think this
book has a lot of information or fact that make
perfect sense, common sense.
Speaker 1: I find that amazing that you know, it was this
abduction experience and this author's willingness to own his story
and put it in the book and put it out
there that ended up in your hands that actually led
you to Christ and led you deeper into the life
and teachings of Jesus and actually reading the Bible and
taking it serious. I think that's amazing. And I love
how the creator is able to do that with with
other people's stories and you know, sharing their own testimonies
and their experiences with Christ that has opened that door
for you. I think that's amazing exactly.
Speaker 4: And this book really converted me to follower of the
teachings of Christ.
Speaker 1: That's amazing. If there's any any last words or anything
that you want the listener the viewer to take away
from this interview, what would it be, will be.
Speaker 3: Seekh knowledge spiritual knowledge and this book is an eye
opener and have strongly encouraged people to read the book
so that you can look inside for answers when you
have challenges in life.
Speaker 1: Else said, well, it's.
Speaker 2: Been a really interesting conversation. And I just I'm always
intrigued by stories where Christ reveals himself through other means
to people because kind of how you said, organized religion
is kind of failing at showing people the way, the
true way. And I just think it's beautiful that, like
you said, this man was able to own his story
and share it and now it's touching people and leading
people to Christ to don't find him in organized religion
and in the Western Church. So I just think it's
awesome and thank you for reaching out and coming on
to share your story.
Speaker 4: Thank you.
Speaker 1: So where's the best place for people to pick up
a copy of the book?
Speaker 3: You can defend it on Amazon and also on audible.
It was read by a very good British narrator as
an audiobook.
Speaker 1: Okay, And so for some clarity is this book are
you affiliated with the book at all? Your feeling it
with the website and kind of still trying to get
the information out or or you're just sharing your personal
story with the book.
Speaker 3: I don't have any financial interests in the book, but
I'm sharing my story because I think it's very important
for people to have the knowledge to follow the teaching
of Christ and also to seek the answers of the.
Speaker 4: Unknown and the paranormal.
Speaker 3: And I have some I have a website channels on
adult orca slash Theoba, which I have a lot of
articles about some of the things that people might be
interested in.
Speaker 1: Awesome, and we'll link that in the show notes as well. Samuel,
thank you so much for coming on the podcast. It
was it was It was great to hear your story
into kind of I think I feel like a lot
of times on these podcasts for me and maybe for
you as well, like we're almost like comparing notes, and
it's like a lot okay, it seems to line up,
you know, and the Bible says, out of the mouth
of two or three witnesses, let the thing be established.
And so when you sit here and see a lot
of people having similar experiences with with with the divine
and with ets and with craft, you know, for me,
it it does bring a lot of hope, and I'm
glad that you're sharing your story and I'm glad of
the fruit that it has produced in your life. It's amazing.
Thanks so much for hanging out with us to meet you.
Speaker 4: Thank you me too.
Speaker 1: We'll do it again about to thank you. Thank you,
Samuel Chong. Ladies and gentlemen. What an interesting conversation. Again,
I think, you know, a lot of these people come
into similar conclusions. I think that the majority, at least
of what what was was shared with us is uh
stuff that's kind of backed up and in the Bible
and by other you know, experiencers, abductees and things like that.
I find it very very interesting.
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a lot of very interesting things that he shared.
I thought it was really interesting that he was saying
that the I think he said the theopens, but the
ets helped Moses through that journey. So that's interesting. I
would like to actually read that part of the book.
But I think a lot of the terminologies are different
from religion and what we've learned in religion. But it's
kind of saying the same thing just using different terms.
Speaker 1: And essentially, I mean, I think most people know that
like religion has been hijacked, like it's a it's a
great concept. So many beautiful things within the Bible and
within religion, but there's also so many bad things. And
I don't know if the good outweighs the bad yea
when it comes to religion, just because some of the
heinous things that are done in the name of religion
and by it's leaders, whether that's you know, whichever religion
you want you want to throw out, there are specifically
dealing with Christianity that that we know, you know, so
many firsthand encounters with But what is still amazing is
that Christians and religious people all over the world are
still able to encounter and experience Christ, the fullness of Christ,
the love of Christ, the grace of Christ in spite
of religion, not because of the pastor not because of religion.
But I think in spite of those people, and in
spite of us as well, flawed individuals, that Christ is
able to sometimes speak out and reach reach out to
people through their lives and through their words and works.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think he keeps reiterating to follow the teachings
of Christ, not to follow the Church necessarily or religion
or doctrine, but to follow the teachings of Christ was
obviously is love is self sacrifice, is helping others, all
the stuff that you read in the New Testament that
just lights your heart space up when you read it.
You know, you know what teachings of Christ really are
and what it means to you. And I just think
it's awesome, so awesome to hear it from an alien
contactee that was able to go off world and see
and experience things.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that was the thing that I wanted to share,
Like when we were we got this email and we
started watching some of his interviews and just the amazing
thing where you hear in Christianity and a lot of
Christian videos right now that Jesus is encountering Muslims in
the dream state, like they're like they're having dreams in Jesus.
Christ is coming to people telling them that they He's
the way, the truth in the life, and He's given
them their love and forgiven them of their sins and
all of these experiences that Muslims are having. And this
is a big deal. But I think you can throw
in there now and I think you could have always
done it, but now that people are encountering Christ through
UFOs and through aliens, and that Christ has come into
people through ufo and abduction scenarios and experiences. And again
the word that the book was originally called abduction, but
nobody uses that term that way anymore. It's contact, ye
and experiencer. But I think that's amazing. Jesus is encountering
people through UFOs and aliens.
Speaker 2: And I didn't ask him.
Speaker 1: I don't know.
Speaker 2: I've had a feeling he wouldn't have a lot of
input on it. But in plant medicines too, people are
going on plant medicine journeys and psilocybin you know, encounters
and being able to encounter Christ through those things. I
actually shared a video recently. It was an interview with
a Jewish man who had experienced Christ in an ayahuasca ceremony,
and it was it was very similar to how I
experienced Christ in a new way. Was just kind of
a knowing like you experience him and you have this knowing,
this deep inner knowing of his works and what his
works did and what it means, and it really just
means to be there for one another, to love one another,
to lift each other up, like hold each other's hand,
you know, as we're walking home back home on this
journey and trying to remember where we came from and
who we are.
Speaker 1: And yeah, yeah, I mean that's another headline. You know,
Christ encounters Jewish man on ayahuasca ceremony or Christ is
encountering people through ayahuasca and through plant medicine, something that
you know, we've been talking about and looking into, just
because first of all, the headline is shocking, but it's
the truth, and that's the that's the you know, that's
the beautiful thing that it is the truth and it
and you know, it may not be somebody else's truth,
and people will hear that and get offended and get shocked,
but it is our truth and it is the person's
truth who experienced it. You can't tell them any different.
Where people would want to argue and say God doesn't
do that, or Jesus don't He's not going to show
up in those situations. And I think it's very clear
biblically that Jesus showed up in many uncomfortable situations, even
Shadrack Meshak and the Bendigo being thrown in the fiery
furnace and they were going to die and in this
place of torment and torture. And then there's a fourth
one in the fire there with them or Daniel in
the lions. Then and you know, another another being appears
and it doesn't say that it's Jesus. I think the
Church leans into that it was, you know, that the
Angel of the Lord. It says that many people equate
that with with Jesus, and and you know, who knows,
maybe it was, but you know, they have an intervention.
And I think these abduction or UFO contact experiences are
interventions where we're just kind of giving these little nudges
or big nudges at that that seems like a pretty
big nudge, but it's it is a hopeful message, and
it does coexist with the Bible.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're taught not to judge things by the appearance,
like we talked about, but by the fruit. So you
look at the fruit of these experiences and the contact
e Michelle. His fruit was to be more loving and
kind to all beings and to be open to change
and less violence and all good fruits. And Samuel's fruit
from his experience of reading the book is to follow
the teachings of Christ. He said after reading the book,
he wanted to read the New Testament and learn more
about Christ, and he's gung ho for following the teachings
of Christ, which is you know, it's love.
Speaker 1: That was one thing that I was like, just on
a personal note, was like, I hope people take that
away from my book, Like they read my book and
they want to dive deeper into the Bible or they
want to know Jesus, you know, even after an interview
or a podcast, right, they want to they want to
read more of the Bible. And you know we mentioned
you know, little nuances and cool encounters in the Bible.
But the hope is that people would would get hungry
and want to go read and study for themselves and
experience for themselves, and and and it is the truth.
You know, we get hundreds of messages from people all
over the world that that are impacted in that way.
And that's the that's the the you know, the job
well done for me. That's that's what I'm I'm here
to do, and I'm glad it's happening. But you know,
what a what a accomplishment for for the author because
I've always said, I don't think there's any any any
you know, more flattering compliment that you can get is
that you know your your work or your music has
brought me closer to God.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and and so much so that this man Samuel
is promoting it the world and has no affiliation with it.
Speaker 1: I don't think you were even in here, but he
mentioned the music. He's like, Oh, I like your music.
He's like, he's been listening to my music too, and oh,
that's that's cool. So it's cool. He's able to get
the kind of full gamut of kind of what we
bring to the table, and you know, the music and
the podcast kind of being married together. It's always interesting when,
you know, I'm always wanting to know with people who
sign up on Patreon or people who because Patreon, like
you don't know, are they here for music or they
hear because of the podcast or maybe they found the book,
you know. And I remember when that started happening, because
at the beginning it was kind of like all music
and started the Patreon people who wanted more music or
exclusive music, or wanted to support to create more music
and music videos and all that kind of stuff. It
was only that. And then once the podcast started blowing
up back in you know, twenty fifteen, twenty sixteen, twenty seventeen,
taking it serious, like there was a lot of people
signing up, and many of them didn't even know that
I did music, or many people who were there for
the music didn't know that there was a podcast, and
they would kind of find you know each other, and
it would it was like the work complimented it because
I would go into more detail about things I said
in the music, and then you can kind of hear
poetically a podcast episode summed up in a song or something.
It's so cool that whole phenomenon when it's you know,
the things that we have out there that are meeting
people where they are. Again if it's the music that's
reaching them on the podcasts, and then kind of the
two coexisting in school that that Samuel kind of mentioned,
both each of the podcast and the music. Again, with
with that being said, Patreon, we do have a membership
platform where we offer behind the scenes exclusive music early
releases on episodes. That's one thing that we're doing. We
release episodes a couple of days early, so if you
want to get the head start on the next episode
and be in on like be in the loop. We
also have Thursday night and Sunday Rising sessions where we
pretty much do this. I think this is what we
do as we interview and we talk to and we
share with our with our online community of people all
over the world, and I you know, I love it.
People always want to talk to me and pick my brain,
ask me questions, and we set to Thursdays and uh
Sundays aside kind of for that kind of have these
open dialogues with with our friends and family.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so if you want to be a part of that,
you can get those links by signing up at Patreon
as well, Patreon dot com, backslash, truth sycot or.
Speaker 4: Seer dot school.
Speaker 2: Our seer School community also gets that Seer Schools an
app where you can get all the same materials, but
it's in an app form. And so it's the meditations,
the music, community chat room, all those kinds of things,
you know, a little bit cleaner, more streamlined format. But
either one, you get access to those community calls.
Speaker 1: Yeah, they're ways for us to stay connected, you know,
the community calls throughout the week, you know, twice a week.
But then you know on the on the apps and
things and Discord and Patreon and see your school app.
Like you know, there's the DM features in private messaging
and message board. So it's pretty much our own social
media kind of thing. And again all the other exclusive stuff,
the meditations around there. There's so much that we do
and bringing to the table that it really becomes overwhelming.
But what we do is once we create something beautiful,
we put it on those apps. So if you want
to check it out for any level of giving, you
could check out the Patreon, patreon dot com, backslash truth
Seka and we'd love to have you. With that being said,
we're going to say Peace and Shaloon. Let us know
in the comment section what you sought about this interview
and who you would like to see us jump on
a interview and call conversation with with next. We'd love
to hear your thoughts.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we love you. You're not alone, like we're all
going through stuff right now, so come join the community
and chat with us about it.
Speaker 1: Let's go do it together. Yeah, right, love you guys,
Peace and Shaloon will do it again. Hey, thank you
so much for watching this episode. I hope you enjoyed.
I want you to know that there is a video
right here that you can watch. The video right by me.
Speaker 2: Click this fude, No, don't click his video. Click my
video his video is probably about demons and dark stuff. Anyways,
mine's probably about angels and awesome stuff.
Speaker 1: She has a point, So you decide the demon or
the angel. What do you go with