Speaker 1: Thousands of people have mysteriously vanished in America's wilderness. Join
us as we dive into the deep end of the
unexplainable world and try to piece together what happened. And
you are listening to Locations Unknown.
Speaker 2: What's up everybody, and welcome back to another episode of
Locations Unknown. I'm your co host, Joe Erato and with
me as always as a guy who always has his
presence wrapped a week before Christmas, my fan.
Speaker 3: Thanks Joe, and thank you once again to everyone who's
tuning in. And thank you to our live streamers watching
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second time we did this.
Speaker 3: But no, thank you for tuning in. I don't have
a lot of updates, just a couple of things here.
Only Patreon shout out is actually my dad Mark, So
thank you for supporting us on Patreon.
Speaker 4: I appreciate it. We both appreciate it, Yes, we do.
Speaker 3: Also I we will probably be taking a little break here,
probably until mid till late January, at least for me.
Speaker 4: I'm expecting a child in a couple of days now.
Speaker 2: I might have a couple guests lined up to do
some random, excellent some spots.
Speaker 4: We'll see, we'll see what.
Speaker 3: Uh yeah, So we're probably gonna be off the at
least the next couple of weeks while the holidays are
going on. Joe may be back before me, but I'll
probably be back in February.
Speaker 2: And we got Andy back in the studio. Yep, thank
you for coming back. And this has been an exciting story.
Speaker 3: So thanks for having me, guys, absolutely yeah, and we
have an exciting show here. We actually got the police
support for Gwen Hasselquist, so we're gonna kind of go
through that and Andy will maybe give us a little
recap of what happened with Gwen, and then we'll dive
right in the police support. And then finally, once the
episode's done, I'll get that police support PDF up on
our website, so anyone who wants to go and read
through it can.
Speaker 2: All right, without further ado, All right, everybody, let's gear
up and get out to explore Locations Unknown. Last time,
on Locations Unknown, we learned about a suspicious death a
husband who were remarried within months to a Kenyan woman
who then fled the country with very little coverage of
the death and even less information about the supposed story.
We submitted foyer request to fill in the gaps this
week as we continue to investigate the death of Gwen Hasselquist.
All right, gentlemen, so let's cover what we knew from
last time. I know we've all seen the police report,
so we have an idea of what's happening now. So
last time, and jump in if I got anything wrong.
I listened to the whole episode to try and get
caught up. So on March nineteenth of twenty twenty, Gwen
was reported missing by her husband. Was it the nineteenth
or the twentieth he reported her missing? It was like
early morning, right, great.
Speaker 5: So actually I don't think the report came from her husband.
I believe that the police found the vehicle somewhere and
approached her husband about a missing vehicle.
Speaker 2: But the first post was him online.
Speaker 5: The first post is him online, Okay, on the morning
of March twentieth. But this soul will keep your sorry.
Absolutely Yeah. The whole story takes place over the late
nine hours of March nineteenth into March twentieth, twenty twenty.
Speaker 2: Okay, So we had the husband posted something that she
was missing. He posted the ring video camera that you
saw that's been since taken down. That's correct, where she
seemed inebriated of some sort.
Speaker 5: Yep.
Speaker 2: He had mentioned that she had taken some drugs. He
said she was desperate because she had been diagnosed with COVID.
And you're gonna have to try and forget about the
police report while we're recapping, because no one else knows
about this, because like I'm saying the things, I'm like, oh,
it's all wrong. And so she removed it, and now
we got the police report of all of the incidents
is wrapping around this story.
Speaker 5: Yep, that's correct.
Speaker 2: Okay, anything else we want to so to him, it
was when we left off we kind of like thinking
he said she died of COVID because that's what he
wrote in the obituary. You had made a great point
of saying they don't always put the method, So I
would say that isn't as suspicious as I thought it
was the last time, especially with the suicide. A lot
of times to say but like a lot of times
will say an untimely death or something like that, they
won't say it. So he did specifically call it COVID
as the reason, which was kind of sketch.
Speaker 3: But yeah, no, I think that we had a lot
of unanswered questions when we talked about this last time
because the husband or the family had just posted that
she died from COVID, and obviously we're going to go
into the police report, which does completely contradict what we thought,
and I think it it kind of leads us down
the path of what we all kind of thought. But yeah,
I think this helps answer a bunch of questions, but
I think there's still a lot of unanswered questions because
the police support has some.
Speaker 2: It didn't clear anything up. No, it cleared cleared some
things up. But to me in bold in some of
our questions, Yeah.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, I think looking back at what we did on
the initial episode, all the information came from the family
or from air Castle quis what he was posting on.
Speaker 2: I feel like most of it was eric right.
Speaker 5: But the kind of conflicting stories, inconsistencies, a lot of
weird things, a lot of questions. Some of those weird
things got answered in the police report, but as we'll
find out, a lot more questions that came from it.
Speaker 2: All right, So what we're going to start with is
the initial police report from March twentieth. It's a detective
report and the synopsis of this report, and like Mike said,
we're going to post this online to be able to
go through it. It's water recovery of a deceased female
discovered floating in the Puget Sound. The victim's identity was
confirmed as a reported missing persons and the next of
kin was notified. So this is the raw synopsis. I'm
going to read through their notes and we'll comment along
the way. Yeah, so both you guys interrupt me if
you have something to say or you think something stands out,
I'll try and stop too. And then anyone who's watched
live feel free to comment. We may not get to everybody,
but throw your information out there and we'll address it anyway.
Speaker 4: Extreme, So awesome. Anyone wants to comment, all.
Speaker 2: Right, So here's the narrative from that report. On March
twentieth of twenty twenty, at about fifteen hundred and twenty hours,
so that's three twenty in the afternoon, I responded to
the Stellcombe Docks at one Union Avenue in Stellcom, Washington,
concerning a death investigation Prior to my arrival, I had
learned that a kayaker had discovered a deceased female floating
in the water in that West Pierce Fire and Rescue
had executed a water recovery of the body. I also
learned that the husband, Eric E. Hasselquist, had reported his
wife Gwendolyn M. Hasselquist missing early in the morning under
PCSD case and they put the case number I won't
read it out, and that the recovery may be related.
Speaker 5: So right away here this is the first answered question
I think from the police report. Last time, we really
didn't know how Gwyn passed away or there was no information.
There's no news reports, not clear what happened. But so
this is bombshell right off the bat. Yes, she's found
in the water.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and that leads you know, we had mentioned some
comments on some of the posts that her husband had
made and people talking about did they say they like about.
Speaker 4: Her being well.
Speaker 2: There were people who come in like, hey, I heard
your wife got diagnosed with COVID, and one person even
wrote I'm sorry for your loss. But with everything that's
going on, can you confirmed it was at COVID?
Speaker 3: Was it this?
Speaker 2: Like someone is asking legitimate questions. Again, put yourself in
the mindset early pandemic. Not a lot of information, not
a lot, it's known. Everyone's still freaking out. Everyone thinks
this is going to be the next Black plague. It's
going to wipe off twenty five percent of the global population. So, yeah,
when you have and I think you brought it up
Andy that Washington State was one of the first few
states that turned into kind.
Speaker 4: Of a hotbed, rightyp It was like the first state
the Yeah.
Speaker 2: So you have under probably one hundred Americans total diagnosed COVID.
So you have this guy claiming his wife died of it.
Speaker 4: So everyone's kind.
Speaker 2: Of like, whoha, whoa, oh, whoa whoa, Like this has
finally come to United States. People are starting to die.
What's happening?
Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, And this is right after kind of right
when it hit, right after Tom Hanks was diagnosed, the
NBA shut down. All within that sort of weak range.
There so a lot of uncertainty for sure.
Speaker 2: So Gwendolen a forty five year old female with brown
hair and brown eyes, about five four and slight build
of about one hundred pounds. She lived with her husband
at one four zero one eight ninety eighth Street Court
Northwest in gig Harbor. She was described as having multiple tattoos,
such as dolphin on her back right shoulder, a son
on her mid back, two lizards on her abdomen, and
a frog on her right foot. Eric reported that Gwendolyn
was believed she was showing symptoms of having contracted the
COVID nineteen virus and was despondent after having received recently
sought testing at Saint Anthony's Hospital in gig Harbor, Washington. Additionally,
Eric estimates that approximately sixty pills of Gwendolen's prescribed coloazepam
were missing from the home the family. Two thousand and
nine Chrysler Town and Country minivan was also missing. Chloe
as a PAM is a benzo diazepine classified as a
CNS depressant and has prescribed to treat anxiety scratch like
injury on the inside of both the upper and lower lip.
No other obvious injury was observed. So this is that
initial report that this detective got when he was on scene,
if he knew of a reported missing person's cases that
matched the description, So he's piecing it together of oh,
this is probably.
Speaker 5: Her, Yeah, and I think there's a little bit dunpack
here too. We talked at length in the first episode
about what it was like with someone being diagnosed with COVID,
the treatment they get, that sort of thing, and here
we have at least a statement coming from Eric, the husband,
that she saw it testing, but apparently no treatment and
no overnight's day, which seems a little off for that.
Speaker 2: I still think that's off. No one knew what was
going on to outpatient somebody. I could be wrong, but
I just remember everybody kind of being like, no, we're
putting you in hospital, and you can't have visitors, you
can't have any of these people they're controlling COVID at
that point, and to just say, yeah, go home to
your family with this unknown disease that everyone's freaking out about,
just seems very very odd.
Speaker 4: Now, correct me if I'm wrong.
Speaker 3: But didn't one of the statements from the husband say
that she actually spent time in the hospital or am
I remembering it wrong.
Speaker 2: He his Twitter account said that she had gone to
the hospital and he was expecting her to come home. Yeah,
so that was it. He didn't get into details. And again,
this what the detective is reading off was the husband's
report of this. So if he's telling detectives that she
was potentially having COVID, it's not confirmed yet. This is
the police report of what he heard from the husband,
and he's still on this COVID narrative. So I think
that's like needs to be made clears. We still don't
have definitive proof that she even went in for testing.
Speaker 4: We don't know that.
Speaker 2: This is just still the husband's word that she thought
she had it and she went in for testing.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's it.
Speaker 2: So a set of Chrysler car keys were found in
the descendant's pocket. Decedent is that he said, like deceased,
but decedent I believe, so okay.
Speaker 4: However, there was.
Speaker 2: No wallet or other forms of identification. I noted that
the call to nine one one came from another witness.
This was redacted in the report at about eighteen twenty six,
so that's six six twenty six. I left the voicemail
for the requested contact. He called back a couple of
minutes after. That witness told me that he was not
the kayaker in the water who found the body. However,
he observed the situation as he walked nearby the witness
recognized the floating body and waved to the kayaker for
confirmation before calling nine one one. He said the kayaker
and the body were directly west of nineteen fourteen Commercial Street.
The witness said the kayaker kept his distance from the
body the entire time, even during the rescue efforts. He
did not observe any concerning circumstances or behaviors from the kayaker,
and no one was observed fleeing the scene. The kayaker
is at the time unidentified, so that was just him
filling up to make sure it wasn't related to the
guy who was in the water.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I later submitted a request to WPF and R I
think that's Fire and Rescue for a copy of the
responding medics field report. It was noted in the related
missing Persons report that the investigation had already been requested.
I again viewed the Facebook video of Gwendolyn leaving her home.
It appeared as though Gwendolen may have had the observed
injury to the back of her left hand prior to
leaving the residence, So I think this is key. So
he's noting in the video he thinks he saw the
injury that she had on her hand prior to leaving
the residence, and that was that Facebook video that Andy
you had mentioned that you had screenshots from.
Speaker 4: We shared them. That was the ring doorbells, correct.
Speaker 2: And that's no longer online. That's been pulled down from it.
Speaker 4: They mentioned that in this police report, did we already?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's him, He said, I again viewed the video.
So he saw it because that was tied to the
missing person's case. And he he's noticing that he actually
saw this injury that was on the body. He thinks
he saw it in that video, right.
Speaker 5: I think in here it mentions that she has a
cut on her left hand that's one to two inches long. Yeah,
they say that it appears like it's in the video,
and there's actually a decent description of the video that
kind of meshes up with what I had viewed when
it was available on Facebook, and says it is immediately
apparent that she has dazed or impaired as she struggles
to fit the key in the lock. This curs for
about a minute. Interesting that the police saw the video,
viewed the video and made these notes.
Speaker 2: Certainly, Yeah, it sounds like a good detective, like he's
like following up on all like it could be like, oh,
this was obvious. But he's checking on the kayaker, he's
checking out, he's looking looking in the video again, looking
for anything that might be off, he wrote. He continues,
I was unsuccessful in saving the video at the time.
Using my department phone, I captured the video of the
Facebook post in several screenshots. These video and images were
later transferred to CD and submitted to into property at
PSSD headquarters. The case will remain active penning the m's
post mortem examination report. Detective d. Christensen, So he's got
the video. I think he met whether it was a
screenshot or whatever, he was able to download it. So
that's in evidence. We didn't get that from the FOI request.
We just got these reports.
Speaker 4: We didn't get anyttacuments other than this police report.
Speaker 2: Okay, so this is the next report of the forensics investigator.
So the forensics guy who came on scene, he writes
on scene March twentieth, twenty twenty, at fifteen fifteen hundred
and twenty hours. So as at three twenty, I was
contacted by South Sound nine one one dispatch and requested
to respond to one stell com Boulevard regarding this death investigation.
At fifteen hundred and fifty hours, I arrived in established
contact with Detective Christiansen, who further explained the incident to me. Now,
Detective Christensen was just their first report that we just read.
The scene consisted of a female body that was in
the back of the West Pierce medic vehicle. West Pierce
Fire had recovered this female for the water of the
Puget Sound prior to my arrival. This female was wearing
multicolored pants, a black and pink jacket over tan sweater,
and a black shirt. Her left upper arm appeared to
be broken. At z Et M E thirty two arrived
and took possession of the body. I don't know what
that means. I think that's his medical examiner tag. Maybe
I'm guessing emy's medical examiner and at Zet whatever, I'm
assuming that's just whatever that department talk is. I exposed
multiple digital images of the scene using a Nikon D
thirty three hundred set on autofocus with a Nikon dx
AFS nicore eighteen to fifty five millimeter f one x
three five five point six G two or dx AFS
nicore fifty five dash two hundred milimeter. I'm gonna skip
the rest of it. You get the id's explaining the
camera he used. He used a fine resolution format at
thirteen point five megapixel sizing. The built in auto flash
or attached speed light was utilized as needed, dependent on
ambient light availability. Images were captured on a two gigabyte
compact flash card and transferred to the case image server.
I cleared the scene at seventeen thirty hours. Anderson he
puts his number forensic investigator. So it basically he says
he's got the report from Detective Chrichtensen. He took a
bunch of photos with his cameras, transferred it into evidence,
and cleared the scene essentially. So now I have a
narrative from the report. On March twenty fourth, I think
this is detective Christensen again.
Speaker 4: Let me look at the end.
Speaker 2: Yes, this is Detective Christensen again. A few days later,
March twenty fourth, twenty twenty. On three twenty four, twenty twenty,
I received the requested meticfield report from the West Pierce
Fire and Rescue. The field report indicated that fire and
Rescue dispatched time was at fourteen hundred nineteen hours and
arrived unseen was at fourteen one hundred.
Speaker 4: And twenty seven hours.
Speaker 2: An official time of death was noted at fifteen hundred
and seven hours by doctor Hearsing at Good Samaritan Hospital.
The field report was downnloaded, transfer to CD and submitted
into property at the PCSD at headquarters. At about eleven
hundred and fifteen hours, iphoned WSP and requested a copy
of Trooper Knox's collision report in any related documentation regarding
his investigation prior to the recovery of the descendant. I
was provided contact information for Trooper Knox in the WSP
Public Disclosure Office. I sent the request to both contacts
via department email. I was provided a CAD readout of
the WSP incident, and Trooper Knox later supplied me with
documents related to his investigation. Such documents included an incident report,
a type statement from assisting Gig Harbor PD officer Irwin,
an inpound form, and several scene photos of the involved vehicle.
So now he's talking about this crash vehicle reports exactly
which we knew nothing about. Trooper Knox documented that he
was dispatched to a two thousand and nine Chrysler Town
and Country parked mid span of the Narrows Bridge eastbound
around oh seventeen hours, so this is twelve seventeen in
the morning on March twentieth, So this is after that
ring video occurred.
Speaker 5: After the ring video occurred.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, when the actual video occurred. Yep, not when
it was posted on social media, when the recording occurred.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 2: The caller reported observing broken glass in the roadway and
a black mail near the vehicle. Trooper Knox arrived at
twenty hours, so that's twelve twenty in the morning on
the twentieth and contacted Demetrius at C Jackson as he
was reaching into the vehicle.
Speaker 5: I think this is the first the first bombshell here
from the report. Right, Yes, air Castle Quist is definitely
not a black mail and we see that with this
Dimitrius Jackson, who happened to be at the scene of
what appears to be an accident with the van, reaching
into it as the officer arrives.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Plus, if you look at this bridge, and what we'll
do is I'll pull it up on Google Earth because
I have these saved. It's not a small bridge, So like,
why is this guy in the middle of the bridge
at midnight, right basically, so, Demetrius's behavior was erratic as
issues of both alcohol and mental health was suspected. He
claimed to have been offered a ride by a female
driver in the minivan, and he asserted that there was
another passenger in the back of the car. That's the bombshell, right,
the female stopped the car, got out and gifted Demetrius
the vehicle.
Speaker 4: Officer.
Speaker 2: Erwin documented that he contacted the minivan's registered owner, ERICI
Haselquist at home around oh fifty three hours so twelve
fifty three in the morning. Eric maintained that his wife,
gwennolen Heselquist, was home and with him, and he was
noticeably unfhazed when advised his vehicle had been stolen. Right, So,
so we have this guy who's posting his wife's missing.
When the officer calls him and says, I have your
van midspan, he said, I'm home with my wife. Now
I'm at home and my wife's not here. He asserted
that he was with her, right.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, And it's I think it's interesting that they note
that he was noticeably unfazed.
Speaker 2: Uh, yeah, your car's been's on oh Okay, right, right in.
Speaker 5: The middle of the night, the police knock on your door.
Your car's been stolen and found at the bridge, and
you're unphased by that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, and so I don't know if he went
to his house. It just says he contacted my my
I guess he could have. My thought process was he
got his content information and called him.
Speaker 5: So I think there's a little bit and it will
get to it in the police report, but there is
mention about him not confirming that Gwyn Hasselquist was in
the house at the time, So I don't.
Speaker 2: Know, Well, he reported or missing, right, and he's saying
to this officer that he's with her, right, So that's
like already contradiction of the reporter missing. The ring camera
that he posted was earlier than this incident, and he's like, no,
I'm at home and she's here too, right.
Speaker 5: And the timing part of this I think is important.
So this seems to be the very first contact with
air castle Quist. My wife's here with me on fazed
by the van being missing, and obviously that changes throughout
the timeline here.
Speaker 2: So going on after that, Eric reported last seeing his
vehicle around twenty two hundred hours on March nineteenth, so
that's ten o'clock March nineteenth. Eric showed a doorbell camera
video of Gwenolen leaving the house around twenty two hundred
and nineteen hours. Eric insisted she return home after However,
there is no video of her doing so. Officer Irwin
did not verify that Gwenolen was home with Eric stated
as Eric stated he believed his wife was positive for
COVID nineteen. So again we are now in the case
where he's putting on Facebook that she's missing. He's telling
the officer that he's with her because he said she
came home after that video, and he's immediately jumping to.
Speaker 4: She thought she was COVID nineteen positive.
Speaker 2: So speculative Joe says, he's trying to continue to play
the COVID nineteen narrative to help cover it up.
Speaker 4: That's like you guys are.
Speaker 2: I'll know my stance on this thing, so I'm gonna
try my hardest to be unbiased and continue to go
down this path of maybe it's not that, but I
think it's not looking good so far. He's lying to
the police about what's actually happening. He's lying about his
wife being there when she's not yeah, and then he's
immediately jumping to the oh, well, and she thinks she
is COVID, Like, it's not really relevant to your van
being found on the midspan of.
Speaker 4: A bridge smashed up, exactly.
Speaker 2: It's not relative to what he's talking about. And so
it's to me, that's like a mind who's got I
have my story, and I need to make sure I'm
always driving everybody in the direction of my narrative, my
story of what's happening. So he had to throw that
in there, even though it's not related.
Speaker 5: And I think reading this, there seems to be some
gaps in this narrative on the police reporter, it sounds
like this is one instance of the officer Erwin contacting Eric.
So this all happens, first, your van's missing. Is your
wife there? Yes, she's here, she left earlier. Here's a
video of her leaving. But she returned after that, but
she's still in the house at that time.
Speaker 2: Well, and then he's posting on social media that's the
last time he saw her. On his social media post,
he's this is the last thing I've This is the
last video I have of my wife.
Speaker 4: That's what he posted right.
Speaker 2: Then he's telling the officer that he said she for
sure came back home.
Speaker 5: Right right, So there's some inconsistencies.
Speaker 2: There were a lot of inconsistencies there, absolutely all right,
so I'll continue. So Officer Irwin notified Trooper Knox that
the minivan was unreported and unreported stolen vehicle. Demetris was
taken into custody at the scene. Post Miranda, Demetris amended
his story and claimed that he was not picked up
by the female. He said the female in the minivan
was unresponsive when he told her not to park on
the bridge. Demetris walked towards Jackson Avenue, but return to
checking the vehicle and its occupants. So he is like
stating that there's two people. But of course with this story,
he also seemed like he may have been drunk and
had some mental health issues. So you can't, like, if
I'm going to be consistent in trying be truthful, his
testimony really doesn't. You can't take it as like sound
it's a drunk guy with mental health issues on a bridge.
But he's very positive there's another passenger. He's saying he
went to check on the occupants. He's going there assuming
there's two people in that van.
Speaker 5: Right, And I think in these couple of sentences here,
there's just three things that jump out to me. First,
we have post miranda, So this is a Miranda warning
was giving given to Demetrius, which means he was under
custodio interrogation, perhaps arrested for something.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it says he was taken into custody, So I
don't know if that means he was actually handcuffed or
at least just brought there. You're the lawyer, does that?
Could that mean he was just like, hey, sit down.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean you could be invited into custody, but
the moment that you're not free to leave and they begin.
Speaker 4: Your Miranda rights at that point, right, So we.
Speaker 5: Know it got to that point, right, And what this
was for it remains a question because was it a
breaking and injuring sort of thing. Did they suspect that
he was involved in the missing person's case? Kind of?
I'm clear there. You know this.
Speaker 2: You think there's a guy in a bridge with a
car that's been in an accident, it's parked a Miller
bridge and it's the only guy there, right, it's not suspicious,
So I don't see any fault in them, Like, all right,
this guy might be involved somehow. Yep, they're coming in
completely blind.
Speaker 5: Absolutely no, and it completely makes sense there the other
thing and you just hit it, Joe, it's this says
that he approached gwyn about not being able to park
the vehicle there. But what we have is a description
of a single vehicle accident. I know there's somewhere in
the report there's information about the windows of the vehicle
being blown out, and it's.
Speaker 2: There's broken glass all over the place, so like it
had some sort of an accident of some sort.
Speaker 5: And it's I just find it interesting that we're talking
about parking the vehicle right this. Yeah, if there was
an accident here on the bridge, that wouldn't be the
word I would used to describe where the vehicle is,
right yes.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: And the third thing here and we'll see it throughout,
is that notes that dimitris A mended his story. We're
talking about the sub since in mental health issues. But
I think there's three, maybe four different stories that seem
to come from him, and so you got to take
each one with a grain of salt, But definitely interesting
that one of the stories is there was someone in
the vehicles.
Speaker 2: Well, and that's the one thing I noticed, And we'll
go through this. There's consistency among those stories. And I
was not a paramedic and EMT for a while and
we were taught, and you after time, I did for
about four years. After time, you start to understand what
you should believe in what you shouldn't believe. And when
there's people telling stories and the stories are changing, you
can always find consistencies among their different stories to find
the nugget of truth. And the one thing he is
consistent on amongst the stories that there was definitely not
one person there. He's not one hundred percent sure. Again,
I got to play Devil's advocate. It's a drunk guy
with potential mental health issues. But he's always referencing more
than one person, right.
Speaker 5: Right, And I think there is one one moment where
he recants on that. But there's definitely what we're looking
at is uncertainty on that for sure.
Speaker 4: Absolutely.
Speaker 2: So after they said Demetri, this is Demetrius telling the
officer what he did. He said he walked towards Jackson Avenue,
but the return to check the vehicle and its occupants,
he noticed a dark figure over the guardrail, which then disappeared.
He could not say the figure was female driver or
she had in fact jumped off the bridge. Demetrius assumed
she had jumped. He maintained that the minivan was a
gift because I thought it was her last dying wish.
So he just thought he was getting a free car
out of this.
Speaker 4: Whole thing, which is I mean that alone, I don't know,
that's kind of weird.
Speaker 2: Ah, drunk guy. I'm guessing maybe homeless mental health issues.
I guess like he's looking at it like my car.
She said it was mine, like it's mine. I could
see that. Downtown Milwaukee, somebody would totally do that. Yeah,
if cars sitting there and there's no one around, like, oh,
there's what I could have it?
Speaker 4: Like, right, opportunity strikes well.
Speaker 5: And I think he's maybe backtracking a little bit too,
if he's been arrested or he's at least being interrogated here,
and it's I wasn't stealing it. I didn't do anything wrong.
Speaker 2: That's a great point to say, hey, hey, hey, hey this,
I didn't crash this, I wasn't stealing it. This was
a gift, right, yep. But he even have the keys
because it was on her body, all right. So Trooper
Knox later learned that Gwenolyn had been reported missing, Demetrius
was released from custody. Demetris id'ed Gwenolyn from her Washington
A license image as a female he had interacted with
on the bridge. So he did confirm that they showed
him an image of her, and he said, yes, that's
who I interacted with.
Speaker 5: Right.
Speaker 2: Eric's image was also shown to Demetrius. However, he did
not know him, so he's saying there were two people
he recognized. Gwen did not recognize Eric's image, So the
officer did a great job of.
Speaker 4: Like, hey this her husband.
Speaker 2: Was this the other person that you saw with He
could not confirm that he didn't know him.
Speaker 5: And another thing here that I think is interesting as well,
as we have that Gwenn was reported missing, it doesn't
say who reported or missing. I think the presumption is
that it was Eric, but we know from the timeline
that first officer I think it was Irwin her Knox
had asked Eric if his wife was home, and he says, yes,
she's home. He leaves without confirming.
Speaker 2: And now now he's missing.
Speaker 5: Now she's missing, and presumably Eric was the one that
reported her missing. What changed in that time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're talking like an hour of all this happening,
of him making contact with the car, contacting the owner saying, no,
I'm home. My wife's home with me. Yeah she left
in this ring video, but she totally came back. She's here.
But now he's tying it to a missing person, right,
So like this is not adding up, and it's such
a small amount of time that occurred. It's not like
did he wake up and then oh, she's missing, I'm
reported officially now yep, it's a little shady.
Speaker 5: And whether or not the officer was coming to the
house or calling Eric, Are you not confirming that everyone
is in your house when your vehicle is missing. We
found your vehicle somewhere. Seems like the first step you
would take is well, making sure think about it.
Speaker 4: We're all married.
Speaker 2: If you get woken up at midnight and it's a
police office saying your van is smash up in the
middle of a bridge a few minutes from your house
and we have a report that your wife was involved
and she's no longer here, I'm gonna freak out. I'm
gonna freak out. I'm not gonna be calm unless she's
Even if she's right next to me, I'll be like, oh,
thank god, she's right here, But why is my van there?
And his report was he seemed unphased by any of
that communication. That is a huge red flag that either
he's guilty or a huge sociopath, which even then, like
if you're a sociopath, it's like who stole my car?
Speaker 4: I don't know.
Speaker 2: That's just everything's not lining up here.
Speaker 5: In Devil's Advocate or to play fair, it's the middle
of the night. There are surprises. It could be it's
hard to attribute an attitude to Eric at this time.
Being unphased is maybe just not comprehending the situation, right,
But I think it's important that this's the whole unphased language.
It's completely contradictory to what we see on social media afterwards. Right,
he's showing great concern for his wife. He immediately posts
the video of her missing, asking for help finding her.
That's not someone who's on face.
Speaker 2: So could you pull up the images from Facebook while
we're just talking to see if there's timestamps, and when
he posted like she's missing, she's gone, just to see
what day it was or even relatively with time. Did
it all start posting after this whole thing unfolded, he's
like trying to start making story or was it like
was he posting before, Hey, she's missing and I can't
find her.
Speaker 4: I'd love to know that.
Speaker 2: I just I know, I say it on our Facebook page,
So the images are there, but most of the posts
are still up.
Speaker 4: On his Facebook live too.
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean, I really get the impression that
he fled the country because he was very active on
social media up until probably earlier.
Speaker 2: What gave you that impression? The quote that I'm leaving
the country.
Speaker 3: Maybe, but his post is dry up, I think, Yeah,
he went dark spring of this year.
Speaker 5: Yeah right, yeah, and I do so I do have
at least the video of the ring video that was posted,
and it's it's from five forty five am. And so
we're talking.
Speaker 4: On the twentieth.
Speaker 2: Okay, so after all this craziness occurred, he makes a
post that this is the last I've seen her.
Speaker 5: Sure, so it's in between he's told the first contact
is at twelve fifty three am on the twentieth. Yes,
the post of the video and thing, the flurry of
social media posts occurred in the early morning hours of
the twentieth, but the body wasn't found until that afternoon. Yes,
so that's good.
Speaker 2: He posted that saying, this is the last time I
saw her. He just told the police officer at midnight
that she left and came back, right, So if he's saying, granted,
it's social media, so again I'm gonna try and play
devil's advocate. He could have just said, this is the
last time I actually saw her. Maybe he thought he
saw her and he was sleepy or whatever and thought
she was home and he was just in a daze
because he was tired.
Speaker 4: Okay, But he told the officer.
Speaker 2: That she did leave and that he was sure she
came back, and then in the morning posts he said
this is the last I've seen her, right, So that
already all right there contradicts what he's telling police versus
what he's posting on social media.
Speaker 5: And we touched on this a bit in part one.
But shortly thereafter, shortly after he posts the video of
when and ask for help finding her, we have a
post from seven thirty am, two hours later today, I've
watched the sunrise knowing that likely my love didn't get
to see it. I am broken. And so this is
before bodies found shortly, it's within seven hours of the
police first contacting him, and it's a pretty pretty big
change in kind of attitude, at least from what we're
seeing on social media.
Speaker 2: That is a great point because you said he posted
at like five am the video.
Speaker 5: The videos at five forty six.
Speaker 2: It's only an hour later he's like, oh, she's probably dead, right,
Like he basically has just learned, Like, if we're to
believe that he's not involved, he learned that she had
gone missing around one in the morning, at five in
the more or five, so it's basically six am he's
posting the social media that she's missing, have you seen her?
And then hourly like, oh, she's dead, Like she didn't
make it, Like he gave up hope. Pretty dang quick
for somebody who doesn't know what happened.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's hard to know what was communicated
to him too. We have Demetrius, the individual who's reaching
into the vehicle. He's been interrogated, perhaps arrested, and he's
saying that he saw a figure disappear off the bridge.
This could have been communicated to Eric by the police
at some point in time that Hey, there was a
witness there who says your wife disappeared from the bridge,
but there's also a lot.
Speaker 2: Then why does he post she's missing? Has anyone seen
her at five am?
Speaker 4: That's or six am?
Speaker 2: That's Like, I agree with you, he probably was informed
of at least a witness testimony. But then again I
would say, okay, he's if he's totally informed. He then
posts in social media that contradicts everything he should know
or everything he told the police, and then our later
has basically said, Yep, she probably didn't make it. This
is this is over.
Speaker 5: And Joe, you've been putting yourself in kind of his
shoes here and we have if it's communicated that we
found your van, your wife's missing, we've arrested an individual,
or we're interrogating an individual who was reaching into the van,
we can't find your wife. I mean, what's your first
thought in that situation.
Speaker 2: That she was attacked and potentially someone murdered her, Right, yeah,
I'd be like, like I would be on the bridge,
I'd be like, where are you, where's my van? I'm
coming there, like right now, Like because I would be
panicking because it's my wife and they've been married for
at least thirteen years. Yeah, like that's I just had
my fifteen year anniversary.
Speaker 4: Like, she is my world.
Speaker 2: Like if something like that happened, I would be in
a pure panic. And I'm pretty calm guy, but like
if I woke up to that call, I would be
freaking out. Yeah, and here's the deal. Like you said,
he noted that he was noticeably unfazed. That is a
police officer saying noticeably unfazed. They see lots of crap.
If he's commenting on a police report noticeably unfazed, that
means it rubbed him weird.
Speaker 4: And that's where these.
Speaker 2: Types of guys, especially detective, there's a lot of hunches
you have for how much you know, even if he's new,
it's he he noticed something strong enough to put it
in the official report. Otherwise that's an innocuous thing to
put on a police report.
Speaker 4: Well, I've seen enough enough of those TV shows.
Speaker 2: You're gonna go enough of those TV shows, the real ones,
the cops the first forty eight hours, okay, where they're
doing real ky, not actors. It's real police, real cases,
real cases.
Speaker 3: And one of the kind of themes is when someone
is guilty of murder, they do act.
Speaker 2: You don't have to hide it. You can port on
the table. We're having whiskey.
Speaker 5: It's mine for kids.
Speaker 3: Anyway, all right, sorry, Mikey, I lost my completely lost my.
Speaker 2: Sorry, but you're watching the first forty eight.
Speaker 3: No, it's just like when the detectives in those shows
make comments like, oh, his daughter just died and he
seemed unfhased. That is kind of a tell. I mean, yeah,
most normal people are gonna be just distraught if if
someone goes missed.
Speaker 2: If I found out you died, like you're not my family,
but we've been friends for a long time, Like, I
would be very distraught.
Speaker 4: I would, I would hope. So, but I'm just.
Speaker 2: Saying, like we're not blood related, like we're not like,
you're not my child, you're not my wife.
Speaker 4: And I would be like if.
Speaker 2: Someone called me that, ear man, if somebody called me
like and said Mike just died his cars crashed in
the bridge, I would probably go out because you're you've
been a friend of mine for what twenty years? Yeah,
like I would be I would be phased by that. Yeah,
so now you're taking it up a whole nother notch
of this guy's wife, the mother to his children, and
he's noticeably unphased.
Speaker 4: That is a huge red flag.
Speaker 3: And the interesting part about this is this detective is
making this, he's noting this before any of the future
social media posts.
Speaker 4: Yeah, he doesn't know anything that we're talking about.
Speaker 3: Because if if you take the detective's comments and put
it in the context of all of the other stuff
Eric was posting, that to me is a big red flag.
Speaker 2: Well, and we're we're on assumption now, so I'm gonna
assume a detective comes on scene of a car in
the Middle Bridge Park, there's this guy reaching in the
car and this lady who's reported missing.
Speaker 3: Like if you gotten to the point of the police
supert where they say one of the people or the
detective or somebody said they thought they saw a third
person in the van.
Speaker 2: Yeah that was Demetrius. Yes, so that's where but he
was potentially trump. No, No, that's kind of stream wheah.
So that's Demetrius. And that's where again, like nothing's easy
with this case, Like like we can't have like a
coherent guy who just happened to be jogging in the
middle of night because that's what he does, and he
was sober and he's a normal person.
Speaker 4: No, it's a guy who might have mental issues.
Speaker 2: Smell like alcohol, saying there was multiple people, and then
his story changes like.
Speaker 3: That is interesting because if you had a credible witness
who saw a third person in the van, that would
be very damning evidence. I think so, But you have
an alcoholic drug addicts exactly.
Speaker 2: And that's why I'm trying to be fair. Everyone knows
my opinion. If you listen to this episode, you know
what I think. So I'm trying to really try hard.
Speaker 4: To look at this objectively.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I look at that as if I wasn't
looking at it dejectively, i'd be like that guy saw
two other people. That was her husband with her. Yeah,
that's what I thought of immediately. And then in the
police supports like I can smell alcohol. There might be
mental health thing there. He's saying she gave him the van.
He did confirm when he saw the picture that it
was her. I'm assuming the officer didn't lead him and
just said, hey, do you recognize this person. He's like, yeah,
that's the lady. This is These are assumptions now, because
it's not written in here, so I'm going to continue. So,
the images of the minivan showed extensive damage down the
passenger side of the vehicle, all passenger side and windows
appeared blown out or missing. Neither the WSP report nor
the impound sheet indicated any inventory of the vehicle. The
related WSP documents are transferred to a separate CD and
submitted into property. This was Detective Critchenson. Again, this was
a few days later that he's writing this report about
the trooper. Nine is a report of this car accident midbridge.
Speaker 5: And one thing here that is another open ended question
from this report is where did the accident occur? What
exactly happened to have the windows blown out or missing,
it has to be a pretty severe impact. But we're
not noting that it occurred on the bridge.
Speaker 2: It's true, Yeah, that's where the vehicle was at rest.
They said there was glass on the ground right, And
this is again my non professional opinion that I don't know,
but it seemed like maybe it was a side swipe
of some sort because it was the passenger windows, all
the windows, So maybe again, if she's on if we're
to believe she took a bunch of cloas apam inebriated.
Maybe side swiped the bridge rail. That's what I'm imagining,
is like, maybe side swiped the bridge, well, scraped along it,
blew the windows out, came to a stop, and just
got out of the car. That's my assumption of what occurred.
Speaker 5: And I know you have a map to bring up
as we progress, but I think that's a fair assumption.
But I think we need to look at this report
and there's reasons that everything is in here. It's here
for a reason. They're using words that stick out to them.
There's meaning to this, But I think we also need
to look at what's not in there. And it's just weird,
a little weird to me that it doesn't say that
there was an accident on the bridge. We responded to
a single vehicle accident. But where did this occur? It
does sound like it happened on.
Speaker 2: The bridge, Yeah, but there's no confirmation, no.
Speaker 5: Confirmation, just that there's glass and windows missing.
Speaker 3: I feel like if she would have hit another vehicle,
there would have been mentioned that in the police support.
Speaker 2: That certainly, Well, yeah, some other person would have been
driving unless they were drunk and wanted to get away. Yeah,
and it was like both people were inebraated and one
person got away.
Speaker 3: I guess this maybe she side swiped a piece of
the bridge.
Speaker 4: That's what I think.
Speaker 2: I think it's a side swipe of guardrail. And it
said it was passenger side, so it wasn't like her side.
So my guess is she's inebrated driving on these pills
or now if I'm going to go down my route,
I I think he did it. Was she like fighting
with him in the car? Was he like forcibly causing
something to happen?
Speaker 5: Yeah, and we'll see this later. But why did the
accident if it occurred at the bridge, why did it
occur there? What happened at that point in time that
an accident was caused enough to blow out the window?
Speaker 2: See, we get more information, just more questions, more questions.
So now we're going to go to This isn't the
medical examiner's report. This is the detective's read of the report.
So he's putting in his own report saying that he
read it. So on eight twenty five of twenty nineteen,
he put nineteen. I think that was just a misprint
because that's I copied this directly. Yeah, I received and
reviewed the post mortem examination report of Gwendolyn M.
Speaker 4: Heselquist.
Speaker 2: The examination was conducted by Pierce County Medical Examiner doctor
Thomas Clark on three point twenty three of twenty twenty.
The EMMY report indicated the following cause of death, multiple
traumatic injuries due to fall manner of death suicide. Additionally,
chloe az apam, a schedule for benzodiazepine derivative, was detected
into the sentence blood. The EMMY report was submitted into
property at the PCSDHQ. This investigation will be cleared exceptionally
exceptional resolved. So I have an issue with this of
someone who's not a expert at this, so I will
admit that.
Speaker 4: And I'm sure everyone knows.
Speaker 2: That you mentioned that colasipan was in the blood. Didn't
say it was any any type of lethal level. Yeah,
it is a benzodiazepine, so it can definitely affect. I
do know stuff about drugs because I helped start a
drug testing company fill.
Speaker 3: Us US non drug drug people. What does that make
you tired?
Speaker 4: So it can.
Speaker 2: It's like one of the drugs that says do not
operate heavy equipment. Okay, it can make you kind of
punch drunk, like if it will make you like, it's
like drinking and driving.
Speaker 4: If you took like a beta drill and then tried
to drive alator. This is if you took a lot
of beta drill.
Speaker 2: Okay, Like it's a little bit more so, it's a
schedule for drug.
Speaker 4: So it's a little bit.
Speaker 2: It's not over the counter, you can't it's strong one. Yeah, okay,
so it's you can't get it over the counter. It's
got to be prescribed and it can't affect you. So
like her inability to put the king lock is she
probably did take too many of these things.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's an antidepressant. Yeah it was.
Speaker 2: It was infer anxiety. They'll give it for That would
be why she was unable to do that. It's if
he's noting that it was in her system. Yeah, it's
probably not enough to kill her. So if she's saying
she took sixty pills, she would have probably not made
it to the bridge. Yeah, without knowing her dosage or whatever.
Speaker 4: That's a lot.
Speaker 2: That's a lot of anything that you can take.
Speaker 5: And I think that's where once again there's more questions
here is what was the level of the drug at
this time to me, if she's prescribed to this drug
and it's daily, you're taking it daily, and maybe you're
self medicating a little bit, and you took two pills
or three pills, and that might still be in your
blood when the autopsy is performed, right, But sixty pills
is quite a different story.
Speaker 2: Well, and we're supposed to believe she odd on it
because she was distraught from her COVID nineteen diagnosis, which
then we're also hearing that she had some on her
hand that's seen in the video when she's leaving. She
seems kind of despondent when she's leaving. So did she
take the pills because that or did she take the
pills because of something else? Right, This is kind of
the unknowns that are occurring.
Speaker 5: In circling back on what you had mentioned earlier. We
have no inventory of the van was taken, we have
inventory of her person. So somehow we are told that
there's sixty pills missing, But is that a bottle that's missing.
If so, where's the bottle of pills or how do
we get to this number?
Speaker 2: And Yeah, if you're taking two a day, that's a
month's supply of medication.
Speaker 4: That's a lot.
Speaker 3: I think we're missing to keep We're probably missing the
medical examiner's report because they would have examined the contents
of her stomach.
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I'm assuming you want to talk.
Speaker 2: About what because you did the Foyer. You want to
just tell the listeners what you got and what we
didn't get.
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I requested the Foyer report through this part
of Washington State has a system where you can request
FOI reports from multiple different agencies through one request. Okay,
So I requested this. I requested any document related to
I supplied her full name and day to birth and
a rough timeframe of what I gave, like a I
think I tried like a week at least, like anything.
Speaker 4: With her name from any department.
Speaker 3: I requested any document from the departments that are represented
by this system for Gwen Hasselquist.
Speaker 2: So does that include DOT, the police department, fire department.
Speaker 3: Medically, it would include anything that one of those police
departments would have in their systems, so police report. I
don't know that a medical examiner's report would show up
in that.
Speaker 4: I don't OK.
Speaker 3: That might be a different department that we would have
to request that from. And I don't know if they
released those or not.
Speaker 5: Have you gotten denials from any of those or are
you're just still waiting.
Speaker 4: I'm still waiting.
Speaker 3: So this is all they supplied, and it took a while,
It took several weeks, and no explanation of this is
all you're getting or there could be more stuff or
just here you go. I got an email that said
your request has been updated, and then I logged in
and this PDF was attached with no explanation or this
is all we're given you or anything.
Speaker 4: This was this is It was just like there.
Speaker 5: Well, there's certainly more information out there that I think
will go further to answer these questions. I mean, we
it talks about the fire and rescue arriving at the scene.
There should be some reports.
Speaker 2: Yeah, they'll have a report for a body recovery, one
hundred percent. I did cold water rescue for the fire
department for a while. If we had a body recovery,
I would have had a lot of things to write.
Speaker 3: So I think another avenue that we should try is
maybe requesting a do a foyer request with the fire department. Yeah,
and maybe the I'll have to see if those departments
are even available to request if not I can go
through a different avenue, and probably the coroner's office absolutely, so.
Speaker 4: I think corner would be the biggest.
Speaker 2: I think a fire department would get more details in
what the body recovery was like and what their initial
read on the situation when they arrived on scene.
Speaker 3: And like the DOT we talked about the DOT cameras.
I can't remember it was either or a listener or
something I read, but basically said that in Washington State,
DOT cameras delete the footage after thirty days unless there's
I believe a court order that requires them to pull
that footage and save it.
Speaker 2: So we might have to assume that that's been lost.
Speaker 3: We might have to assume that at the time of
this investigation, if it wasn't a criminal investigation, they may
not have had any reason to.
Speaker 2: Well, there's nothing in this report that's it, because they
noted when they save videos like this ring video save
to CD, they didn't know anything about DT cameras, at
least that I read. I'm gonna read through it again
while we're going through it if I missed it.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 3: A couple of people actually commented on our original episode
that live out there and this is a major bridge.
There's definitely cameras all over it, so okay, it would
have recorded the van going across the bridge and potentially
hitting a guardrail or all that kind of stuff. There
was at some point video footage of whatever happened.
Speaker 2: This what's great about having lots of fans. They're like
everywhere they give us information. It's kind of nice.
Speaker 3: I know you need to anyone listening once this makes
it to Apple or Spotify, you gotta get on our
live stream.
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think, Mike, I think that footage is really key.
We talk about it's pretty apparent that the police did
not review that, and if there is footage that could
go a long way to one which of Dimitrius's stories
are accurate and what exactly happened. What the real value
I think in this police report is that we know
her death occurred at the bridge, right so nowhere it happened.
This is a busy bridge. It looks like there's a
toll road there there. If there's video footage that might
go a very long way to answering these questions that
we still have.
Speaker 3: And yeah, and if someone actually murdered her by pushing
her off the bridge and the vehicle that she was
in was left there, and it's a toll bridge, that
means there's evidence or there at one point it may
be deleted.
Speaker 2: No, especially at that time of people like there's probably
video of the middle is going there.
Speaker 3: Yes, like so with her would have to leave who
you know if if you know air quotes, somebody pushed
her off the bridge, you've got to believe that there's
footage of somebody walking off the bridge, or if it's
a toll booth, you gotta know that they're gonna have
they take every time you go through that booth, like
at least in Illinois.
Speaker 2: Well, let's assume they're on foot, because we're talking about
how we assumed he's a runner, there'd be a video
of even if you don't see the act of him
leaving the area on foot.
Speaker 3: Or even if he was in another car, you're gonna
see when they go through that toll booth, they take
a picture of the license plate and the person that
the two people in the front of the car.
Speaker 4: Will be on that picture. Yeah.
Speaker 3: So it's the only thing I can think of is
they weren't This wasn't a criminal investigation at the time,
so they just the evidence maybe at that time was suicide.
And probably any police department is probably they've got a
lot of stuff they got to take care.
Speaker 2: Of, especially during COVID when everything's crazy.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: And then medical examiner's like, all right, is she obviously
jumped off a bridge whatever?
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like and I'm not gonna look too much into this, Yeah,
and they just like, all right, it's a suicide. Let's
we can't spare detective time in hunting down dot footage
and toll.
Speaker 2: Booth Footageah, just we can't pass up on the idea
of what was going on at the time. Everything shut down.
Everyone's home, everyone's confused, everyone's scared, knowing like it's and
I mean, new pandemic.
Speaker 4: Everyone doesn't know what's happening.
Speaker 3: If this would have been a criminal investigation from the start,
you would have detectives going house to house, but like, hey,
do you have any any any of you have ring cameras?
Do you have like a nest camera that watches your house,
like any kind of security footage that would have showed
the road so we could see like exactly when she left.
And I just think, yeah, probably they just weren't treating
this like a criminal investigation. They resources are limited, and
they're just like, yeah, suicide, all right, you know.
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I don't I don't know.
Speaker 3: I've been kind of trying to maintain the stream a
little here, but I don't know if you've gotten into
the final.
Speaker 2: Oh no'm they got a whole the whole last report
right here. So this one was on August twenty fifth,
twenty twenty, so this is a few months after the fact.
The synopsis is labeled as additional investigation. So this to
me and you'll see it at the end. But this
is obviously not necessarily sitting right with a detective, so
he wrote in the narrative. Please note for consideration that
during the course of this investigation, a number of family,
friends and citizens familiar with Gwendolynn came forward with concern
that her death was not an active suicide. In brief summation,
it was relayed to me that Gwen had recently confronted
her mother about historical sexual abuse as a child by
a male parental figure. So this is Gwen going to
her mom like she was potentially abused as a child herself.
She was known to be in therapy and was doing well.
Gwen was reforging old familial bonds, expressed a positive and
optimistic outlook in life, and was making plans for the future.
It was discussed that she would never abandon her children intentionally.
This is signs of somebody who would potentially not commit suicide.
People that commit suicide start giving away their things. They're
obviously not planning what they're going to do in the future,
if they don't expect there to be a future. It's
just those little red flags that you see of someone
when you see someone who actually commits suicide, and you
see that after the facts, yeah, they're like, oh yeah,
they started gifting their most prized things away. Like remember
in the last episode we said she would have left
a note. She was kind of like an artistic type person,
a very theatrical type person. It's very common for someone
especially like that with family to leave some sort of
note behind, and she didn't do any of these things
that would be considered quote unquote normal for someone who's
going to take their own life.
Speaker 5: And we have real what's it's a reforging old familiar bonds,
And you know what, that's interesting to me for a
couple of reasons. For in the first episode, we talked
about how the obituary doesn't speak of anyone who survived Quinn.
We weren't certain if she had family members that were
acting as advocates for her here, and it sounds like
she was making f working back to Oh.
Speaker 2: It sounds like she had a lot of friends and
family and they weren't mentioned by the husband in her obituary.
Speaker 5: Absolutely, why not?
Speaker 3: Now, Andy, I know it's been a few weeks since
our first episode. I know you're a lawyer, so you're
very careful and before Jove wraps this up, I'm we're
not close to being wrapped up.
Speaker 4: You're like rushing me here. No, sorry, sorry, look at
look at it. We have another whole page. Oh wow, yeah, do.
Speaker 2: You want to do you want to continue? Or do
you want me to wait?
Speaker 3: I'll continue here. Okay, this is the first time I've
Joe in a while that this is your episode.
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, so or I've done the work. Yeah?
Speaker 3: But Andy, so is there any now that we have
a police support and the suspicions we had in the
first episode are kind of I this police report and
we haven't even gotten to the good part yet. But
this doesn't make me any like my suspicion from the
first episode, I'm not any less convinced. Is there any
information from your sources who obviously you can't name. Is
there any information that you can tell us. I know
you've told us stuff offline, but anything you can tell
us that when you first were told about this case,
that you can mention now that this police reports out
here that you know, like friends and family of her
were concerned about something, something the fairy has happened, and
is there anything you can kind of share along those lines.
Speaker 5: Well, So, I think there's a lot of places in
this police report that kind of confirm things that had
been relayed to me or thought processes that we had
either discussed in the first episode or thinking through. And
one of them is this reforging the familial bonds statement,
and the other is that these people reaching out with
concern for what happened. And really, what I think it
does is hit the nail on the head that there's
questions here and people at least notice these questions and
had concerns about them. And I think one of the
things that we had talked about in the last episode
was what information had the police looked at? Did they
know anything after the fact? Yeah, with the marriage, the
posts about finding a woman and leaving the country, and
now we know that there's some of that there and
was Joe's going to continue here the police have some
red flakes.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's opening this on the twenty fifth of August,
so it's clearly in the back of his head at
least or information has been coming in over time. And
maybe it's again you talked about like the first forty
eight like this is long pass when this occurred, so
he's already behind the gun when it comes to investigating this.
So it's more like I have to put this out there,
almost like a conscience type thing, like this could be
something more than just that, So I'll continue. And this
is after it said she would never hear abandon her
children intentionally. I'm assuming this is words coming from her
mother or friends or family. Additionally, it was relayed that
Gwen's husband, Eric hassequist, has a concerning history, and has
acted strangely since Gwen's death. He was described as an alcoholic.
I located local history of a DV related issue where
Eric had allegedly assaulted Gwen after he'd been making sudicidal
ideations while they lived on a JB. LM Military Installation.
Eric had insisted that.
Speaker 5: Just so this there's a couple of things here that
just really jump out, and it's more coincidence things, but
also it affects the bigger picture that we're looking at here.
In one, we're talking about a domestic violence incident in
the past, right that that seems to be something that
would be concerning at least looking at the whole circumstances here. Second,
the domestic violent situation happened after Eric was having suicidal thoughts,
which I don't know the status.
Speaker 2: He's not the nice guy, is making himself out.
Speaker 5: To be right. And then when we're talking about suicidal
tendencies between a couple, both him and her, apparently where
her friends are saying that, now this isn't Gwenn. She's
not suicidal. She would never commit suicide and leave her kids.
And we now have information that he may have been
suicidal or at least in the past. Struggled struggled with that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so okay, I'll go on. Eric had insisted that
Gwen was despondent over what he assured was a positive
COVID nineteen diagnosis and was therefore driven to suicide in
the days that follows, a family pet died, and Eric
was quick to explain on social media that this pet
was also taken by COVID.
Speaker 4: Nineteen.
Speaker 2: Eric began isolating the children from Gun's family and friends.
That is a bombshell to me. He's just blaming everything
on COVID. She got COVID, so she committed suicide. And
then a pet died, but it was also COVID. But
he didn't get COVID and the kids didn't get COVID.
That is that's pure insanity. That is again confirming my bias.
You know again, I might be too biased, but we
now know that pets don't get in or No, there's
a couple of animals that got COVID. There's like a
zoo animal.
Speaker 4: That got it. No, I think the animals can get
cod okay, but this this was early COVID. We didn't
know that yet.
Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, yeah, this pet died of COVID too,
and so did my wife and she commits was everything's
COVID related, and it's almost like everyone's scared of COVID.
I can blame COVID and I'll be okay. That's what
it seems like to me. Blame COVID on everything that's
going wrong, and I'm actually the good guy here.
Speaker 5: Yeah, in the timing on this, I don't exactly know
when the family pet died. But if you recall back
to the early days of COVID and tests weren't available
for humans, right, So, yeah, how are you know? How
are you knowing that your dog passed away from having COVID.
Speaker 2: Well, I don't think they know of any pets that
have died from COVID.
Speaker 4: I haven't seen anything anything.
Speaker 2: I haven't seen any of that.
Speaker 5: And then the other thing here that we discussed in
part one is that the theory now we know that
Gwynn was jumped off the bridge, or fell off the bridge,
or was pushed off the bridge, but the theory is
that she was suicidal after being diagnosed with COVID. And
in my mind, this would be massive national media news
if that actually.
Speaker 2: Yes, if someone committed suicide because they had COVID and
it was one of the first, what three hundred COVID
cases in the entire country, Yeah, that'd be huge news
and it's not for some reason, right.
Speaker 5: And reading between the lines, I think it seems clear
here that the police are very skeptical of this COVID diagnosis.
Speaker 2: Well, and there's mention of social media posts in his
report that no longer exists. So he's clear to social media,
not just the video apparently of an animal's death, diagnosis
and things like that that are It seems like he's
deleting damning evidence that makes him look wrong, because there's
certain things that he's left up. There's certain things that
have come down. All the things that have come down
have been things that could potentially prove that this wasn't
a suicide as far as I'm concerned. So Eric continues
to post his feelings and memoirs of Gwen on social media. However,
on five point thirty of twenty twenty, Eric posts on
Instagram that he was ready to.
Speaker 4: Meet a new woman.
Speaker 2: By six' nine of, TWENTY i was, Provided.
Speaker 4: Ah DO i have the wrong? SHEET a YouTube? Blank?
OH i THINK i missed the whole thing.
Speaker 5: Here, no that's, correct it. Says eric continued to post
his feelings in memories Of gwenn on social. Media, yeah
there it.
Speaker 2: Goes however you have, It, Yep i'm on the right.
PEAT i had one sheet out of order THAT i
missed some. Stuff So i'll go through to a minute
just to make SURE i didn't miss anything. Important it's
a YouTube blank AND i checked the YouTube blank and
it doesn't work anymore. Too the video has been made
private of his marriage to A kenyan woman that he
was said to have met only a couple weeks. Prior
Subsequent instagram posts show His kenyan bride hugging an expensive
New mercedes. Vehicle though, unusual these documented circumstances do not
readily identify any over malicious intent Behind gwen's. Passing, however
they do present cause for consideration those with opinions about
the welfare gwen surviving.
Speaker 4: Children WHERE i encourage your reports are concerns of local.
Speaker 2: Cps so that Was Detective christiansen's last, report like he's
not convinced that this is not or this is just a.
Speaker 4: Suicide as far As i'm concerned.
Speaker 5: In, THIS i think right, here this is almost a
summary of our part one of the. Episode right this is, saying,
hey there's a lot of questions out, there there's a
lot of strange things. Happening people are, concerned and if
anyone has, information we're encouraging them to come. Forward and
that's hitting all the points that we had previously.
Speaker 4: Discussed, yeah so here's the. Deal What i'm gonna do
is so that that's the whole.
Speaker 2: REPORT i did miss a couple of, things but it
was just more in depth description of what was going.
On so for those, Listening i'll kind of describe. It
But i'm gonna. SHARE i put together a little bit
of A Google earth image of kind of what we're
looking at. Here So i'm gonna pull this.
Speaker 4: Up let me open this. Thing can you see my?
Screen is it? Showing?
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, cool so you'll see kind of going Into.
Google So i'm zooming into Gig harbor And washington.
Speaker 4: Here what there we? Go you got?
Speaker 3: It.
Speaker 2: Okay so what we have in Gig harbor is we
start At gwen.
Speaker 4: And eric's home.
Speaker 1: In let's see IF i can zoom.
Speaker 2: Inn this is all new this is new tech where
we're trying out, here so we see their house over.
Here she apparently left in the middle of the night
or apparently and then came, back but she didn't according To,
eric because it doesn't all make. Sense, yeah she drove
all the way Around Henderson bay on To highway, sixteen
it looks, like which ends up going on this. Bridge
So i've located the minivan was, midbridge mid span on this.
Speaker 4: Bridge it's a pretty big. Bridge, yeah so.
Speaker 2: Yep you could commit suicide off that thing and then
her body was not found until the next, day floated
this way right. Down, actually it was pretty far away
where she was found here right, Here So march, twentieth
her body was found right here AT i don't have
the address in, here but it's basically a kayaker on the.
Harbor there is like one harbor drive or.
Speaker 4: Whatever so those are the three.
Speaker 2: Areas the question really is can somebody make it from
that bridge back to the, house because arguably the most
realistic scenario is that somebody drove from here their home
up To highway sixteen to the. Bridge i'm assuming she
was pushed off that bridge and then he made his
way back to his.
Speaker 4: House with sixty antidepressants in your.
Speaker 2: System that's the husband is saying that those sixty antipressants are.
Speaker 5: Missing, well but we do have the video of her
leaving the house allegedly coming. Back but now we know the,
addresses you know the, location we know that it was the.
Bridge this is a sixteen mile drive from her home
to the bridge in the, video if you, know if
it's a video of, anything it's a video of her
being unable to put the, key her key into the
lock of her. House this is it's unbelievable, that in that,
situation in her state at the, time being able to
drive sixteen miles without crashing, anything apparently to getting to the.
Speaker 4: Bridge until the bridge And, Okay i'll Play devil's.
Speaker 2: Advocate if she's driving to the bridge to jump off
of it because she's so, upset SHE'S covid. Nineteen maybe
she crashes there because she's parking the. Car let's assume
that that's the. CASE i JUST i don't understand the
story of her driving there to commit suicide when she's
leaving the home potentially rattled with, injuries and then her
husband's lying about where she's. At it seems like he
knows what's really going. On he's lying to the, police
getting caught in a, lie posting social media to almost
shore up his, story deleting the things that don't make,
sense like if she committed, suicide this is pretty clear.
Cut he can say we got in a. Fight he
could even SAY i hit, HER i did something, wrong
and then she took off and that's. It that's a
very you, Know i'm not saying this is okay at any.
MEANS i don't want anyone to Think i'm being apologetic
towards someone who's an. Abuser but if you're gonna lie
about something and make it make, sense that's a really
normal story to, say, like, yeah we got in a,
FIGHT i Have i'm an, ALCOHOLIC i was. DRUNK i hit,
her she was, upset she potentially A. Covid she took
the van and ran, away AND i don't know where she. Is,
yeah to, me that's a more believable. Story and that's
What i'm not seeing, here is That i'm not getting.
That were you able to see my screen in the?
STREAM i turned it? Off oh, okay you turned it,
okay but you flipped the toggle to maybe, okay that's
WHAT i just looked down, there And i'm, like, OH
i HOPE i didn't just go through that known.
Speaker 5: SIDE i think, You, JOE i think you were onto
a train of thought here before we kind of switch.
Gear so you were saying you're working on the assumption
that she's pushed off the bridge and we're sixteen miles.
Away where were you going with.
Speaker 2: THAT i just like it was talked about AND i
think you'd brought it up that some family member or
friend and we're not going to reveal source all this.
Is AND i want to remind, people like the reason
the story got brought to us because you have a
personal connection with people who are very close to. This
this isn't like fourth hand fifth. Hand there's a connection
there and That i'll leave it at. That but the
idea that he was a, runner the idea of the
distances seemed very. Doable as far as if we're going
to the assumption that he was actually in the van
with her or something occurred they got to the, bridge that,
occurred and then he made his way back to the.
HOUSE i feel like that's a very possible thing because
we don't know when the van actually got. There there
was a couple hours from when the van was reported
to when that ring video, occurred, essentially SO i would
argue somebody could have left home with her in the
van crashing the. Wall if they're, fighting she gets pushed
off the, bridge and that person makes it back home
by on, foot potentially in the time that when THE
pd showed up on seeing it actually Contacted. ERIC i
think that is very.
Speaker 5: PLAUSIBLE i tend to agree with that sort of a.
Theory and what we know here is that he was a.
Runner there's a lot of posts online about him being a,
runner running. Marathons and really the situation is we have these.
Theories we have three or four theories on stories that,
happened either from him directly or from the police. Report
and you look at what would make sense. Here and
so if we Believe demitrius's story that there's a third
person in the, vehicle, well what happened to that third? Person?
Right maybe there's dot footage that can show, this but,
really if you're positing options, here that person needed to
leave the.
Speaker 3: Bridge the QUESTION i have, too, is, though what is
his motivation to say there is a third? Person you,
know like we've talked that he was an, alcoholic he
had mental, issues maybe a drug, addict to. Whatever what
would be the motivation for him to say there's a
third person even in the.
Speaker 2: CAR i would argue there's motivation to not say there's another.
Person if you're trying to go and, say, oh she
gifted me this, car just her or me saying there's
another person there would just muddy the waters for that. Individual, now,
again we can't assume he was thinking.
Speaker 3: Clearly and the other question is if there's a third
person in the. Car If i'm a third person in
the car and the car is being, Carjacked i'm gonna
Maybe i'm gonna try and stop. It maybe, Not but
that just seems it seems like a detail of the
story THAT i don't understand why, someone even a drug
addict or an alcoholic or someone with mental issues would
make that, Up, like why would they even think? That
like their story already is crazy enough that this lady
drove out onto this, bridge crashed your, car was gonna
jump off and commit, suicide and like just gifted her
car to. Him, yeah like and and there was.
Speaker 4: A third person in the. Car that just doesn't make.
Speaker 2: Sense, yeah there's there's no benefit to saying that last.
Parts there's no reason to include. That if you're a crazy,
person why would you just make Up there's more people.
Speaker 4: In my head THAT i feel Like demetrius was telling the.
Speaker 2: Truth like that's where you get those little nuggets of
truth that we talked, about like those little like he
could be like a mental, Paid like we've all interacted
with homeless, people and they'll say anything to get like
what they. Want but there's certain things that are unnecessary
to lie.
Speaker 4: About, yeah and.
Speaker 2: That's where you find those little nuggets of truth in.
There and THAT'S i agree with you on. That there's
no reason to just, say, OH i think there was
another person. THERE i didn't get a good look at,
Him but there's no reason to say.
Speaker 4: That and why would He, yeah why would he even say?
Speaker 3: That so to, me that little nugget of information in
the police support that we talked about, earlier where he
mentioned a third person in the, CAR i feel like
he's telling the truth, because, hey, there he's already telling
a crazy story about the car like getting gifted to.
Him there's no motivation for him to, LIKE i Don't
i'm trying to run through all the different angles of
why you would say there's a third person in the,
car and none of them get me To i'm not
going to get arrested for stealing a. Car, Yeah SO
i don't know why he would even bring that. Up if,
anything a moment of honesty and it just slipped when he, Said,
hey there was a third person in the. Car, yeah
that seems more plausible than him making it up for
some unknown.
Speaker 2: Reason, well and the professional in the page opened up
a whole nother report late months later because he's getting
reports from family members saying that loved ones and friends
are throwing shade on this whole, story and something's.
Speaker 4: Not sitting right with.
Speaker 2: Him, yeah like the only thing, like, yeah we got
a medicals report that, says, oh it was, suicide but
they're going off of the information they.
Speaker 4: Have i'm if she.
Speaker 2: Got to push off a, bridge like, yeah that would kill.
Her so if your whole story is she took these,
benzos she was just like distraught in the. Jumped that's
a normal story as an emmy if you get a
report and you're, like, yeah that's Perfectly, yeah she died
from the fall and it was probably. Suicide, yeah not
knowing all the details or even the information, Later SO
i don't even put like blame on like oh he
ruled it a. SUICIDE i look at that as just,
yeah she died from a fall off the. Bridge, yeah
but did she jump off the?
Speaker 4: BRIDGE i don't think.
Speaker 5: So. Well the third person thing is interesting to me
because the report reads that this is almost written. Off
there's no description provided maybe and Maybe demetrius wasn't able
to do, That but why wasn't this kind of a
bigger piece of the puzzle that they're looking. At we
backed into this, story so we knew that she had
passed away and that it was purportedly. Suicide but the
police show up at the scene of the. Accident the
owner of a vehicle is. Missing there's some person reaching
into the. Vehicle he, says there was a third person
in the. Car that seems like a very unique set
of circumstances that would spur some more follow up than
what we see on that third.
Speaker 2: Person so, Curious and is A covid nineteen diagnosis really
the trigger that made her commit? Suicide like that's kind
of what that's the reason we're being told she jumped
off of a bridge because she was diagnosed WITH covid nineteen.
Speaker 5: After purportedly being released from the. Hospital so, yes, Right
like we're working under assumption that if she was, ill
she would have been in at the.
Speaker 2: Hospital so, well and then a family pet dies a
few weeks, later and then the husband, says, well that
family pet died TO covid nineteen, also but he never
GOT covid nineteen the kids never GOT covid.
Speaker 3: Nineteen were they even testing pets back? Then can they
test pets?
Speaker 4: Now and?
Speaker 2: No, again then that social media post was deleted BECAUSE
i never saw. That i'm getting that from this police.
REPORT i never saw that. POST i see this is
the detective saying he saw that on social. Media, yeah
and then that was subsequently, removed probably because people are questioning.
It it seems like anytime there's a post and people started,
questioning that post is. Deleted now you caught an image of.
It he caught an image of, It but apparently there
was more stuff going on. There and then again we
have to look at the whole. Background all of a,
sudden there's This kenyan woman that appears out of. Nowhere
then they're, married all of a, sudden he's buying her new,
car and then all of a sudden he's pissed At
america and leaving the.
Speaker 4: Country Right, like when you.
Speaker 2: Piece all of it, honestly on a one to one,
level when you look at, it seems. Shady when you
look at the whole, picture it's even. Worse and that's
what's getting me is none of this makes sense at.
All as far as she committed suicide because OF covid.
Nineteen it's it's she was an inconvenient person in the
way of what he wanted to, do and he took
advantage of THE covid pandemic and the crisis that was
happening to basically get away with. Murder that is like
my theory and assumption right.
Speaker 5: Now AND i think the police get where this last
entry there gets half the way there or a quarter
of the way They're what it's saying, is, yes there's
a lot of weird things going on. Here there's a
lot of, questions but these alone are not enough to you,
know to change kind of the determination that's been. Made
if there's another piece of the puzzle that's out, there
we're looking at a different.
Speaker 2: STORY i, think, Yeah and this is WHERE i don't
think this is done because the one open ended question
is where Is Eric? Castle quest because the last social
media POSTS i saw as he's leaving the country and
people are, like who's got your? Kids where are your?
Kids what's, happening what's going? On we don't know any
of the information right.
Speaker 3: Now and he was really active on social media up
until a point where he just is Completely.
Speaker 2: He was overactive showing how happy he was and how
great it, was and how sad they are that his wife's,
gone and how he's moving on and his kids are
so for it and everything like.
Speaker 4: THAT i just call bolt on all of. THAT i.
DO i.
Speaker 2: DO i have kids around the age of those, kids
and they would not be acting that.
Speaker 4: Way.
Speaker 5: Yeah and one THING i want to flag, too and
used to, say this is not. Done we saw on
the social media posts that people are as asking questions what?
HAPPENED i heard one thing here and another thing. Here,
oh it seems quick that you're, married and that was.
Quick how'd you? Meet those sort of? Comments and now
we have a police report saying that multiple, people, friends,
family citizens have reached. Out there's people out there that have,
information personal information that they can maybe provide some answers
here that maybe have value or could expand on some
of these kind of theories that were.
Speaker 3: Positing, YEAH i think it's interesting to think that comments
before we were able to get the police. Support AND
i think we're gonna do some MORE foia requests to
get the medical examiner's. REPORT i Think i'm gonna try
A foi request with The department Of transportation in In
washington to see if there was any kind of investigation going.
Speaker 4: On they should still have that.
Speaker 3: Footage but part of me thinks that they don't have
that footage because there's two scenarios that could have. Happened
here is she was murdered by, somebody and this police
support that we have would have, said this is an ongoing.
Investigation we may have not even even gotten the police.
Speaker 4: Report if it was an ongoing.
Speaker 3: Investigation and the other scenario is they were treating like
a suicide before all of the context of what happened
occurred at the social media posts and very, strange and
we we got emailed by some people that were hitting
on us for literally coming down On eric hard for
these posts that he like they Were, sam you don't
know what's going on with, him blah blah blah blah.
Blah and that's, fair it's. Fair we were coming at
it from LIKE i.
Speaker 4: Was coming at it. HARD i think he did it like.
Speaker 3: Any of our wives died by. SUICIDE i probably wouldn't
be back out in the dating scene within a month
or two or be married in three.
Speaker 4: Months, Yeah, NO i totally.
Speaker 2: AGREE i think that's WHERE i don't know what that
situation is, like assuming that he's not. LYING i don't
know what that situation is, like AND i feel BUT
i have a pretty good idea of how it would
be acting in the middle of that, situation and it's
nothing like he was. DOING i can guarantee you THAT i.
Speaker 3: Feel like most maybe will take heat for this, comment
but most normal people would react the way we described,
It like it's.
Speaker 4: Like one of my biggest.
Speaker 2: Nightmares i've had nightmares Where i've lost a child or
lost my wife AND i wake up upset and it's not.
Real i've woken up like, shaking Like i've.
Speaker 4: Had that about winning the.
Speaker 2: Lottery, god but, like, Seriously i've woken. Up some nights
were LIKE i had such a realistic DREAM i thought
one of my kids, died or Like cassie, died AND
i was like on the verge of, tears like, panicking
and even AFTER i Saw, okay this isn't, Real LIKE
i still couldn't calm. DOWN i couldn't sleep the rest
of the. Night, Yeah LIKE i couldn't calm down and
it didn't happen to. Me, yeah so now you're in
a situation where it actually. HAPPENED i wouldn't be visibly. Unfazed, now,
Okay devil's. Advocate maybe, AGAIN i haven't experience, That Thank.
GOD i hope people don't ever have to go through.
That maybe it was so shocking that you get those
people that like literally just go, numb like maybe he
can't process. It maybe, legitimately she committed suicide because she
thought SHE covid nineteen and he's acting weird because that's
how he processes this, stuff and he just, Froze so
we can't do.
Speaker 4: It you have a comment from a.
Speaker 3: Listener, Okay i'm gonna put on the screen going along these,
LINES i think.
Speaker 4: Of what was This Adam.
Speaker 2: Osbourne, Yeah i'll read it out for the just the
LIST i.
Speaker 3: Forget, yeah a listener on YouTube Adam he, WRITES i
think people incremate themselves by their lack of interest in
finding the. Truth how could this guy be satisfied WITH covid?
Suicide wouldn't you want more?
Speaker 2: ANSWERS i completely, Agree, yeah one hundred percent of age
You adam for the. Comment, yeah and that's kind of
my whole thing is, like, no like she had that
visible injury in her. HAND i feel like there's some
domestic thing going. On, yeah and maybe she found out
about This kenyan. Woman and this is like to, me
this is AND i got flag for saying it was
the woman's. Fault someone said it couldn't Be, LIKE i,
Agree it's not like she caused me to do.
Speaker 4: It this is.
Speaker 2: Him this is his. Decision he was, married he's in
a committed. Relationship if he chose to go find something,
else this is his. Fault if this other woman helped convince, it,
whatever it's still his.
Speaker 4: Fault he.
Speaker 2: Initiated but my whole thing is he was after this
other thing and his wife found. Out maybe they got
in an, argument maybe a physical altercation. Occurred COVID's, happening
he like passionate thing. Occurs that to me makes sense
based on how he acts after the.
Speaker 4: Fact, YEAH i don't.
Speaker 5: Know So devil's advocate here is one you could a good. Lawyer, Yes,
no if you look at reasonings behind all, this and
if you're operating under a theory that she committed, suicide
it could be that their marriage was in. Trouble that
could be a motivating fact for suicidal thoughts or suicidal.
Tendencies he could already have met This kenyan woman been
planning to leave for This kenyan. Woman that would explain
some of the like unphased by your wife, missing the
car being. Stolen but even when you go down that
line of, thought you have this flurry of social media
activity afterwards that just none of it really makes. Sense
none of it is, Consistent none of it adds. Up
how are you unphased in the moment and then distraught
on social? Media you know.
Speaker 2: He's very rapidly trying to get over this or to
convince the world that he's getting over.
Speaker 3: It just, fine if you can find some of those.
PICTURES i couldn't find him On. Facebook if you want to.
Speaker 4: Try, IT i not make the. Album put him.
Speaker 3: On the stream here while you're doing. That just, curiosity
have your? Sources did your sources listen to our first
episode or have you talked to them SINCE.
Speaker 5: I have and they did listen to the first episode.
Speaker 4: Any just out of?
Speaker 3: Curiosity did they feedback feedback on? It did they did
they kind of agree with our? Assumptions did they did
it bring up more questions for?
Speaker 5: Them OR i think the first episode was really we
hit all kinds of the facts that we're out there
and opened the questions, up AND i think there was
agreement there across the. BOARD i think that some of
the thoughts or concerns that they had have been have
come to light in this police. Report but people being
concerned about what was going, on the re establishment of familial,
relationships concerns that Maybe eric had suicidal thoughts or at
least suicidal thoughts in the, past and REALLY i think the,
bombshell the biggest bombshell in this police report is that last,
injury which kind of confirms everything that we said in part.
One there's a lot of quiet out there and it
doesn't quite add. Up SO i think that's where where we're.
At a lot of questions, answered a lot more of,
remaining and we're on the right track at least or
the police think we.
Speaker 3: Are, YEAH i think next steps because this kind of
seems like an ongoing. Thing we're going to keep bringing
up a couple Every.
Speaker 2: Yeah we got to keep getting more. Information we.
Speaker 4: CAN'T i. Don't here's the.
Speaker 2: DEAL i will be the first person to come on
here me LIKE i was entirely. Wrong he went crazy
because this traumatic thing, happened and what he did was,
weird it didn't make. Sense but this is his way
of acting to a completely abnormal situation that not a
lot of people have to go. Through not a lot
of people go through this. Scenario so maybe it was completely.
Legit she freaked out OF, covid, THOUGHT i think you
brought it, Up. Mike you, said what if she freaked
out cause OF covid and was afraid of getting her kids,
sick her husband, sick and she took her own.
Speaker 3: Life the weird thing about that, is like we documented
in the first episode On, gwen is she was very
active in social media AROUND, covid and you would just
assume that someone who's very active in talking ABOUT, covid
if they CONTRACTED covid early, on like you're one of
the first people to GET, covid you would even if
you were like really worried and stuff like, THAT i
think you would talk about that On. Twitter she was
very active On. Twitter she would have made she would
have tweeted something out LIKE i GOT, Covid i'll let
you guys know how it, goes or something like. That
and it was there was nothing from her saying that
she HAD.
Speaker 4: COVID, yea so we don't even know the husband is.
Saying even the police.
Speaker 3: Report doesn't they, obviously BECAUSE i really don't think at
any point this was a criminal investigation because.
Speaker 2: They didn't they didn't reach out to the, hospital they
didn't go to the, house and the hospital's not going
to tell us because they shouldn't we called them and.
Speaker 4: Asked it's a hip of.
Speaker 3: Violation i'm guessing the only way the police department could
get record of her even going to get tested would
be back court, order.
Speaker 5: RIGHT i think they could issue a subpoena and get that,
information and that's probably a pretty regular.
Speaker 3: Thing would they do that in a suicide, Investigation probably not.
Speaker 2: So AND i don't think so if they think it's
just a, suicide like, yep she died. Suicide there's no
reason to spend department resources on this if we think
it's a.
Speaker 5: Suicide we've talked about some absences from the police. Report
one is the footage of the. Bridge the other one
that jumps out to me is that there's no talk
about speaking with the. Kids AND i understood that if
it's twelve fifty three at night when they first Contact,
eric but you would think.
Speaker 3: That would be a big part of the, investigation even a,
suicide just to get.
Speaker 4: Statements did you notice AND i don't know you're going
on at? HOME i don't.
Speaker 2: KNOW i don't know if it Would if it's they committed.
Speaker 3: Suicide this is too. BAD i mean from someone who's
not law enforcement or a. Detective IF i, WAS i
THINK i might just want to get a. STATEMENT i,
mean but what if it's.
Speaker 2: Like the one hundredth suicide you've been on and they're
all very? Similar Todd, yeah, well not even, jaded but
like it's kind of like the idea of we think
of this stuff as like through The hollywood lens of
just something, more there's something more sinister when you're, like
LIKE i, SAID i wasn't a, cop BUT i went
to a lot of these types of calls with police.
Speaker 4: When you're an E.
Speaker 2: Mt And i've went on thousands of calls and they're
very clear, cut, bored not, boring but like very.
Speaker 4: Straightforward there's no mystery to.
Speaker 2: Anybody i've never gone on a call that was mysterious
ever in My i've only been on for four. Years
BUT i went on a lot of medical calls with
cops or calls where like drugs were, involved and they's not.
Mystery it's just it's very clear cut and. Straightforward otherwise
this stuff would be happening all the. Time so if
you have a body wash, up a reported missing, person
a story that, says, yeah she's on these, drugs she
has this history that sounds like a normal, suicide it's
only until you start digging. In and that's WHERE i
feel like the detective probably initially, again he doesn't know
what we know at the.
Speaker 4: Time, yeah all he knows.
Speaker 2: Is there's a missing, person there's a body that matches a,
report there's a car crash on the bridge the side,
like there's a drunk guy who said. Something but, yeah
it sounds like she jumped off the bridge and she's.
Suicidal and unfortunately that. Happens and then all of a,
sudden over time he's getting reports from fans and family
and they starts piecing this stuff together and then starting
to not make. Sense but so much time has. Passed
do we have those videos? Anymore, no they've been. Deleted
do we like it's been ruled a? Suicide how much
time DO i spend on? This i've probably got other
things to work, on not that they're not more, Important
but if you're at and you're working like ten other murder,
cases especially DURING. Covid did it slip through the?
Speaker 4: Crack they want to get this off their.
Speaker 5: Board, yeah, yeah if no one's pushing for, answers, right
and THAT i think that's the key, Thing, right everything
ties up for suicide and we have no nothing pushing for,
Answers and.
Speaker 3: We know we've got a, question ask, You, Yeah i've
got an. Idea do we think we could reach out
to the actual detective and see If Oh.
Speaker 4: I'm already try it. Out i'm, Gonna i'm.
Speaker 2: Gonna i'm gonna email them and see if, anything if
he's not willing to come on the air just to
get a.
Speaker 3: Response, honestly if this case is closed and it's officially,
CLOSED i don't understand why he wouldn't be able to
talk about, it maybe other than the fact that he
doesn't want to jeopardize his job and the police.
Speaker 2: Apartment and, Actually adam made a great point kind of
what you. SAID i just threw it up on the.
Board it says in so many of the cases you
do on your, show the spouse is almost always the
one pushing for investigation of foul. Play that is a
great point because we have so many cases where it
looks clear cut and they the spouse or the family
members not.
Speaker 4: Satisfied, EVER i WILL i will say this because cut you.
Speaker 3: OFF i posted to get people to start, chatting and
the chats for a free. Hat adam's the front.
Speaker 4: Runner.
Speaker 2: Excellent, no BUT i mean that's that's a great point
because we deal with ones that are like very clear
cut in the family's, like, No i'm not accepting, it
because that's to me a normal, Response like it's not, like,
no that can't be the. Case that can't be. It
that's my that's SOMEONE i, love that's somebody that, like
that can't be. It almost even if it's clear. Cuts, no,
sorry it. Is he gave up instantly within several. HOURS
i guess she's. DEAD i guess it's all. OVER i
better start looking for a new. Wife, NO i mean,
sorry that's that's. Two, Yeah, no that's not. Normal a
lot of our, cases almost all of our.
Speaker 3: Cases this is a very unusual, episode the two episodes
we've done, now because.
Speaker 2: He, said, ah, yeah.
Speaker 3: This is the the benefit of getting on a podcast
live stream when they just start doing it and no
one knows they're live. Streaming but, no this is a
very unusual case for this. Podcast joe AND i always
talk about people that have gone missing in the wilderness
under weird, circumstances Like Aaron, hedges.
Speaker 4: The guy we just talked about a couple of weeks, ago.
Speaker 3: And the commonality in all those cases is the family
is usually out in the field with. Searchers they'll travel
to wherever they went. Missing they'll spend the entire time
the search is going on looking for. Them they're in
the woods, looking they're putting flyers up all over, it
like they're doing everything they possibly can humanly Possibly.
Speaker 2: Paul miller our second, Episode, yes, sister we talked to.
Her we email her like years, later still going like
it's let's argue her search is a year, later completely.
Speaker 4: Fruitless Arvin, Nelson.
Speaker 2: They're completely pointless if you're thinking. Logically but that's her. Brother,
ye she can't do.
Speaker 3: Nothing, well even like friends of people's Like Arvin. Nelson
we interviewed his, friends, yeah and high school.
Speaker 4: Friends he went.
Speaker 3: Missing and you're probably not familiar with this, case but
this guy went missing In Big sur In, california AND
i think over a decade ago and his friends to
this day still will go to the area where he
went missing every year kind of like a celebration of his.
Life and they do the hike that he went missing
on and they still kind of looking for, him and.
Speaker 4: They're not over. It they're not over, it and they
aren't it's not their.
Speaker 5: Husband, YEAH i think that has to be a pretty normal.
RESPONSE i, was, yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah not like she's missing an hour, LATER i guess she's.
Gone that's too. Bad like he's still technically technically didn't
know what happened to her when he gave. Up the
body wasn't found till what six hours? Later, yeah unless
he already knew what happened to. Her and that's kind
of what's pointing in the, direction is like he's given
up on.
Speaker 4: It what do they talk?
Speaker 2: About this is Another highwood. Thing if you catch, somebody
if you catch a bunch of people for a, murder
whoever's sleeping is the one who probably did it because
they know they've been, Caught versus if you didn't do,
it you're. RED i didn't kill this.
Speaker 4: Person didn't kills. Person.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah so this is a long way of us
saying that we find it unusual that he was not
really shaken up by her disappearance and then actual, suicide
and then literally marrying another woman three months.
Speaker 2: Later, YEAH i think this we didn't know half the,
information or three we didn't know three quarters of the
information that we know now in the police. REPORT i
think this just confirms it even.
Speaker 5: More, YEAH i want to go back to one thing. Too, sorry, no, no
we talked about this in the first episode at, length
but now we have the police, report we know what we,
know and the video that he posts of, her the
ring doorbell, video and there's comment from a woman that,
says so sorry for your. Loss i've been following your.
Story pardon me for, asking but in one post that
was said she died FROM covid nineteen and another shoes
found in the In Puget. Sound just wanted to clarify
with all that's going on with the. Virus, Again i'm
so sorry for your family's. Loss here's the response directly From.
Eric this Is. Eric she left in the night WHILE
i was, sleeping returning from an out of state business,
trip flying with multiple. Connections from what the authorities have told,
ME i brought it home and she caught. It there's
no mention of this in the police. Report what. Authorities
are we talking about saying that you brought it home
and she GOT covid from. You the police don't relay that.
Information we have nothing from the. Hospital it follows up
the kids AND i have been isolating and there are
not enough tests for us since we presented mild. Symptoms
we have no mention of him HAVING covid other than
this one. Post quinn had autoimmune disease and lung, disease
which made her more. Susceptible that is WHY i was
scared to go on my last trip and then canceled
all work trips until stuff goes. Away here's another question
out there is when was the work? Trip what connects
and we're being? Flown how does THIS covid transfer From
eric traveling for business to when and ultimately lead to.
Suicide summing up the after death, comments the post ends
with the kids AND i are feeling better and should
be free to roam around. Soon that's WHY i haven't
been running around the neighborhood for the last several.
Speaker 2: Days i'm different than everyone. ELSE i don't know, if
especially a few months, Later i'm not. Remarrying first of,
ALL i honestly don't know if i'd ever, remarry Like
i'm thirty, six LIKE i have six kids getting, old
as far as starting a whole new thing with a
whole other, person LIKE i would probably just focus on
my kids and.
Speaker 4: You'd be out club in the next. Month, No i'm, kidding.
Speaker 2: But that's the thing that's to your point, Though, Mike
like you say that as a, joke but reality, is
like he kind is out, Clubbing like a few weeks,
LATER i need To my kids are telling me to
meet other.
Speaker 4: PEOPLE i need to go.
Speaker 2: To your kids are, twelve they're still really sad their
mom has, died or you're putting stuff in their head
LIKE i need another, ONE i need another woman to
get them on. Board and then all of a, sudden
you meet this person that's perfect for, you get married to,
him you're buying her all this great, stuff and then
you're leaving the country all of a. Sudden, yeah like
you just don't care about your kids, Anymore like what's going?
On and even his friends and family in The facebook,
post like we looked like at the people we're asking those,
questions they have one follower that has kind of related to.
Him these are people that know that family well and,
like what's. Happening this is, weird this is not normal,
behavior and he just. GHOSTS i see extradiction and policy
in Like. TANZANIA i have no.
Speaker 4: Clue never once in my life thought about.
Speaker 2: It you never thought about What tanzania does to extradite
potential criminals to The United.
Speaker 3: States because this is probably the longest podcast episode we've ever, Done.
Speaker 2: Adam, wrote no, way IF i lose my, Wife i'm
never doing the dating thing ever.
Speaker 4: Again adam is our super chat user for this.
Speaker 3: Podcast, NO i think to put a pin in this
one and kind of slowly start to wrap it up
because we.
Speaker 4: Should we've been.
Speaker 2: Going this is our longest podcast. Ever, Yeah, andy you're
here for our first guest and our longest.
Speaker 3: PODCAST i think next, steps what do we do next
To so in my, HEAD i think there's a couple of.
THINGS i think we reach out to the detectives and
the police. REPORT i would contact all of. Them, yeah
AND i think probably you're A Trooper knox Detective. Christiansen
get out to all those idel, like, hey what was your?
Speaker 2: Read what was? Like see if they can come on the.
Speaker 3: SHOW i think your best bet would be to reach
out to The Police department's media contact person, first if
they well, NO i mean if you don't get anywhere with,
them the detectives aren't going to talk to. YOU i
think they they would probably if they passed this on
to the. DETECTIVES i think we can assume it's safe
that they'll talk to. US i think we need to
file ADDITIONAL foy requests with the fire. Department with The coroner's,
office we could. Try is there a name of the actual,
Hospital Saint? Anthony's was?
Speaker 4: IT i Meant.
Speaker 5: Anthony's.
Speaker 3: YEAH i don't know what the law is around medical
records And foyer, requests but it's worth a.
Speaker 2: Shot, Yeah hippa says they can't reveal, stuff but like
it's been weird WITH, COVID i think it's worth a.
Speaker 3: Shot is there any kind of conflict of interest when
the person's.
Speaker 4: Deceased, well here's the.
Speaker 2: Deal the idea is medical information is, protected MEANING i
can't go to the. Hospital like the whole idea is
imagine you're THE ceo of a major. Company, yeah and
you getting sick could tank a. Stock you, know that's
like important, Person LIKE i can't be, like, Oh Bill
gates is in the hospital for this thing and Then
microsoft dies down and the whole idea is and also
a normal person like if you GET, aids you don't
want people to, know like the hospital and be, like oh,
yo they're in here FOR. Aids, Broke, no it's private. Information,
yeah that's why it was so. Weird WITH, covid they're
kind of, like this person's GOT, covid that person's GOT,
covid show me your.
Speaker 3: Results but the dichatomy that is like you could potentially
get A corners, report which might be public.
Speaker 4: Information, well and that's what's.
Speaker 2: WEIRD i wonder if they can pick that up in
the medical examiner report and be, like, oh, yeah they
WERE covid, positive which. Nobody the only person that has
ever mentioned A covid diagnosis has Been Eric. Hasselquest there's
been no confirmation that, he their, children or her or
his pet that died actually HAD covid. Nineteen this is
ALL covid nineteen talk so. Far, again we haven't seen
any more, documents but so, far the only data we
have that there's BEEN covid nineteen involved in this at
all is her husband saying it was that is?
Speaker 5: It SO i think you GOT i think you hit.
It the hospital is likely some sort of a private.
Entity there's. Hippo you're probably not going to get records
without an authorization forout a court order or a court
order or. Subpoena but the, court the medical examiner's, office
the coroner's report might shed some light on whether or
not there was a POSITIVE covid. Diagnosis and the other
thing THAT i would suggest your show you don't need
to take, It but we have these comments of people
that are. Concerned we know who they are on social.
Speaker 4: Media they might ask for information that kind.
Speaker 5: Of pieces together some of these questions that we. Have.
Speaker 4: Yeah, NO i think that's a great.
Speaker 3: IDEA i think actually maybe not reaching out to them
and giving them the guarantee that they'll remain anonymous and
maybe let us know what they.
Speaker 2: Know, yeah we could pre record AND i could modify their,
voricae not even necessarily if they're not even comfortable doing. That,
ye if they want to give a statement and we
can relay it.
Speaker 4: And we can make a guarantee that we're not going
to release their.
Speaker 2: Identity, yeah and THAT i would say that goes for
anybody in Gig harbor that might know. Anything if you
want to feed us information. ANONYMOUSLY i can tell you
have a ton of information in case That i've not
shared that are pretty damning THAT i refuse to, share
not to plan my journalistic integrity because they're just a,
podcast But i'm a man of my. Word, like there's
a couple of things That i've learned from people that
would have been really good show material THAT i have
not shared because they asked me not. To so if
you want to come anonymously tell me some, things tell
it and feel free to tell us a full story
and SAY i don't want you to include, This, mike
AND i will leave it.
Speaker 4: Out, Yeah LIKE i.
Speaker 2: Don't care about the show as much as JUST i
would like to get, answers and even IF i know,
personally great for.
Speaker 3: Me and this is kind of like so a lot
of the cases we, do it's tough to like create
a connection with it because some of them happened so long,
ago and we're talking about people we have no connection
with it now because of you, here who has a
connection with some people close to. HER i feel like
we're going down the rabbit hole. Now AND i kind
of want to see this through to the.
Speaker 2: End and if something like that, HAPPENED i would want
someone to fight for me and be an. ADVOCATE i
think you said in the last, episode but there's no one
advocating for this except for friends and, family and it's going.
Nowhere so we HAVE i wouldn't argue the, responsibility but
we have reached now more so than when we.
Speaker 4: First saard this.
Speaker 2: Podcast we have nineteen thousand people On. Facebook if there's
some foul play, here even if he's left the, country,
whatever if we could open it up get and he,
did do, it shine light on it to the point
where maybe he's not gonna get, punished but you can't
come back to this country. ANYMORE i don't know who that,
helps but it'll be, Like, okay at least one less
injustice went completely.
Speaker 4: Unnoticed fine either.
Speaker 5: Way no matter what. HAPPENED i think there's questions out,
there and the, family the, friends the kids are just
or of answers to those.
Speaker 2: Questions, yeah and that's WHAT i would love to know that.
Too if there's people close to the, family where are the?
Kids where is he still out of the? Country last
the last POST i saw is he's leaving the? Country
is he? Gone is he not even in The United? States?
Anymore is he In kenya Or tanzania.
Speaker 4: Or wherever the heck they were? Going, Like, yeah there's
a lot more. QUESTIONS i.
Speaker 3: THINK i think we've got some more homework to do
and a lot OF foi. REQUESTS i really do think
that show or myself should reach out to.
Speaker 4: Local, yeah we're local news media in that.
Speaker 3: AREA i think this feels like one of those stories
that like your local like network news LIKE abc OR,
Nbc like it's something they would have if.
Speaker 2: We can get someone In Gig harbor to run a.
Speaker 3: Story so like You takoma, whatever The tacoma LIKE nbc
station or, hey you, know peeling the onion back on
this case of this lady that allegedly committed suicide and,
nothing nothing's adding.
Speaker 2: Up could You we have quite a few listeners In Gig,
harbor do we? Really that name has come up at
least twice With. Separate there's a lady who messages Him
facebook that lives, there like The washington area because it's
a small little, city but it's near all the other.
Speaker 4: Stuff so, yeah Like tacoma is a pretty big.
Speaker 2: Time, yeah we have listeners in that, area so if
they hear, this if you, know anything like we we've
gotten a.
Speaker 4: Lot more from a lot less.
Speaker 3: People and if you happen to work in local news, media.
Speaker 2: If you happen to be a news anchor And tacoma gig,
harbor please contact.
Speaker 3: Us but, NO i THINK i, think, yeah we're GONNA
i think we should reach out to the other agencies
involved in. THIS i think trying to maybe get anonymous
statements from other people commented on these social media, posts
AND i think maybe reaching out to local news media
to try to garner more at This at this, Point
i'm less interested about future podcast episodes and more interested
in trying to solve this.
Speaker 4: Case now it's just a solving it for future podcast.
Speaker 2: Episodes i'm gonna be. Honest i'm always gonna be. HONEST
i think this is good for the, podcast but it'll
also actually help.
Speaker 4: Somebody if we can do, both.
Speaker 5: Great.
Speaker 3: Yeah SO i think we're gonna have a little hias.
Here Maybe joe might be posting a.
Speaker 2: Couple i'll throw some stuff. TOGETHER i need to pick
up the. Slack i've been, Bad, Mike you've been doing.
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