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Speaker 1: Thousands of people have mysteriously vanished in America's wilderness. Join

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us as we dive into the deep end of the

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unexplainable world and try to piece together what happened. And

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you are listening to Locations Unknown.

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Speaker 2: What's up everybody, and welcome back to another episode of

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Locations Unknown. I'm your co host, Joe Erato and with

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me as always as a guy who always has his

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presence wrapped a week before Christmas, my fan.

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Speaker 3: Thanks Joe, and thank you once again to everyone who's

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tuning in. And thank you to our live streamers watching

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Speaker 2: They just watch us do the intro twice. We have

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the Spotify iTunes listeners. We didn't hit records. That's the

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Speaker 3: But no, thank you for tuning in. I don't have

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a lot of updates, just a couple of things here.

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Only Patreon shout out is actually my dad Mark, So

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thank you for supporting us on Patreon.

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Speaker 4: I appreciate it. We both appreciate it, Yes, we do.

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Speaker 3: Also I we will probably be taking a little break here,

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probably until mid till late January, at least for me.

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Speaker 4: I'm expecting a child in a couple of days now.

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Speaker 2: I might have a couple guests lined up to do

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Speaker 4: We'll see, we'll see what.

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Speaker 3: Uh yeah, So we're probably gonna be off the at

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least the next couple of weeks while the holidays are

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Speaker 2: And we got Andy back in the studio. Yep, thank

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you for coming back. And this has been an exciting story.

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Speaker 3: So thanks for having me, guys, absolutely yeah, and we

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have an exciting show here. We actually got the police

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support for Gwen Hasselquist, so we're gonna kind of go

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through that and Andy will maybe give us a little

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recap of what happened with Gwen, and then we'll dive

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right in the police support. And then finally, once the

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episode's done, I'll get that police support PDF up on

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our website, so anyone who wants to go and read

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Speaker 2: All right, without further ado, All right, everybody, let's gear

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up and get out to explore Locations Unknown. Last time,

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on Locations Unknown, we learned about a suspicious death a

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husband who were remarried within months to a Kenyan woman

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who then fled the country with very little coverage of

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the death and even less information about the supposed story.

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We submitted foyer request to fill in the gaps this

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week as we continue to investigate the death of Gwen Hasselquist.

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All right, gentlemen, so let's cover what we knew from

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last time. I know we've all seen the police report,

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so we have an idea of what's happening now. So

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last time, and jump in if I got anything wrong.

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I listened to the whole episode to try and get

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caught up. So on March nineteenth of twenty twenty, Gwen

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was reported missing by her husband. Was it the nineteenth

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or the twentieth he reported her missing? It was like

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early morning, right, great.

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Speaker 5: So actually I don't think the report came from her husband.

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I believe that the police found the vehicle somewhere and

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approached her husband about a missing vehicle.

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Speaker 2: But the first post was him online.

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Speaker 5: The first post is him online, Okay, on the morning

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of March twentieth. But this soul will keep your sorry.

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nine hours of March nineteenth into March twentieth, twenty twenty.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So we had the husband posted something that she

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was missing. He posted the ring video camera that you

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saw that's been since taken down. That's correct, where she

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Speaker 2: He had mentioned that she had taken some drugs. He

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said she was desperate because she had been diagnosed with COVID.

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police report while we're recapping, because no one else knows

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about this, because like I'm saying the things, I'm like, oh,

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it's all wrong. And so she removed it, and now

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we got the police report of all of the incidents

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Speaker 3: But yeah, no, I think that we had a lot

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of unanswered questions when we talked about this last time

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because the husband or the family had just posted that

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she died from COVID, and obviously we're going to go

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into the police report, which does completely contradict what we thought,

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the path of what we all kind of thought. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: It didn't clear anything up. No, it cleared cleared some

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things up. But to me in bold in some of

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, I think looking back at what we did on

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the initial episode, all the information came from the family

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or from air Castle quis what he was posting on.

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Speaker 2: I feel like most of it was eric right.

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Speaker 5: But the kind of conflicting stories, inconsistencies, a lot of

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weird things, a lot of questions. Some of those weird

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things got answered in the police report, but as we'll

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Speaker 2: All right, So what we're going to start with is

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the initial police report from March twentieth. It's a detective

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report and the synopsis of this report, and like Mike said,

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we're going to post this online to be able to

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go through it. It's water recovery of a deceased female

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discovered floating in the Puget Sound. The victim's identity was

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confirmed as a reported missing persons and the next of

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kin was notified. So this is the raw synopsis. I'm

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but throw your information out there and we'll address it anyway.

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Speaker 4: Extreme, So awesome. Anyone wants to comment, all.

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Speaker 2: Right, So here's the narrative from that report. On March

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twentieth of twenty twenty, at about fifteen hundred and twenty hours,

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the Stellcombe Docks at one Union Avenue in Stellcom, Washington,

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concerning a death investigation Prior to my arrival, I had

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learned that a kayaker had discovered a deceased female floating

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in the water in that West Pierce Fire and Rescue

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had executed a water recovery of the body. I also

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learned that the husband, Eric E. Hasselquist, had reported his

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wife Gwendolyn M. Hasselquist missing early in the morning under

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PCSD case and they put the case number I won't

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Speaker 5: So right away here this is the first answered question

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this is bombshell right off the bat. Yes, she's found

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and that leads you know, we had mentioned some

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comments on some of the posts that her husband had

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Speaker 4: Her being well.

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Speaker 2: Like someone is asking legitimate questions. Again, put yourself in

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the mindset early pandemic. Not a lot of information, not

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a lot, it's known. Everyone's still freaking out. Everyone thinks

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this is going to be the next Black plague. It's

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going to wipe off twenty five percent of the global population. So, yeah,

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Andy that Washington State was one of the first few

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Speaker 4: Of a hotbed, rightyp It was like the first state

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Speaker 2: So you have under probably one hundred Americans total diagnosed COVID.

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Speaker 2: Of like, whoha, whoa, oh, whoa whoa, Like this has

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finally come to United States. People are starting to die.

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when it hit, right after Tom Hanks was diagnosed, the

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NBA shut down. All within that sort of weak range.

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Speaker 2: So Gwendolen a forty five year old female with brown

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hair and brown eyes, about five four and slight build

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of about one hundred pounds. She lived with her husband

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at one four zero one eight ninety eighth Street Court

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Northwest in gig Harbor. She was described as having multiple tattoos,

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such as dolphin on her back right shoulder, a son

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a frog on her right foot. Eric reported that Gwendolyn

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was believed she was showing symptoms of having contracted the

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COVID nineteen virus and was despondent after having received recently

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sought testing at Saint Anthony's Hospital in gig Harbor, Washington. Additionally,

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were missing from the home the family. Two thousand and

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nine Chrysler Town and Country minivan was also missing. Chloe

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initial report that this detective got when he was on scene,

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if he knew of a reported missing person's cases that

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matched the description, So he's piecing it together of oh,

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the treatment they get, that sort of thing, and here

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that she saw it testing, but apparently no treatment and

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Speaker 2: I still think that's off. No one knew what was

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that point, and to just say, yeah, go home to

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Speaker 4: Now, correct me if I'm wrong.

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that she actually spent time in the hospital or am

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the hospital and he was expecting her to come home. Yeah,

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that's like needs to be made clears. We still don't

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Speaker 4: We don't know that.

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Speaker 2: This is just still the husband's word that she thought

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and that's it.

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Speaker 2: No wallet or other forms of identification. I noted that

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minutes after. That witness told me that he was not

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the kayaker in the water who found the body. However,

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he observed the situation as he walked nearby the witness

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recognized the floating body and waved to the kayaker for

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confirmation before calling nine one one. He said the kayaker

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and the body were directly west of nineteen fourteen Commercial Street.

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The witness said the kayaker kept his distance from the

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body the entire time, even during the rescue efforts. He

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did not observe any concerning circumstances or behaviors from the kayaker,

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and no one was observed fleeing the scene. The kayaker

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is at the time unidentified, so that was just him

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filling up to make sure it wasn't related to the

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guy who was in the water.

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Speaker 5: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I later submitted a request to WPF and R I

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think that's Fire and Rescue for a copy of the

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responding medics field report. It was noted in the related

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missing Persons report that the investigation had already been requested.

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I again viewed the Facebook video of Gwendolyn leaving her home.

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It appeared as though Gwendolen may have had the observed

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injury to the back of her left hand prior to

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leaving the residence, So I think this is key. So

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he's noting in the video he thinks he saw the

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injury that she had on her hand prior to leaving

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the residence, and that was that Facebook video that Andy

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you had mentioned that you had screenshots from.

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Speaker 4: We shared them. That was the ring doorbells, correct.

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Speaker 2: And that's no longer online. That's been pulled down from it.

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Speaker 4: They mentioned that in this police report, did we already?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so that's him, He said, I again viewed the video.

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So he saw it because that was tied to the

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missing person's case. And he he's noticing that he actually

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saw this injury that was on the body. He thinks

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he saw it in that video, right.

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Speaker 5: I think in here it mentions that she has a

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cut on her left hand that's one to two inches long. Yeah,

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they say that it appears like it's in the video,

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and there's actually a decent description of the video that

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kind of meshes up with what I had viewed when

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it was available on Facebook, and says it is immediately

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apparent that she has dazed or impaired as she struggles

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to fit the key in the lock. This curs for

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about a minute. Interesting that the police saw the video,

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viewed the video and made these notes.

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Speaker 2: Certainly, Yeah, it sounds like a good detective, like he's

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like following up on all like it could be like, oh,

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this was obvious. But he's checking on the kayaker, he's

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checking out, he's looking looking in the video again, looking

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for anything that might be off, he wrote. He continues,

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I was unsuccessful in saving the video at the time.

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Using my department phone, I captured the video of the

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Facebook post in several screenshots. These video and images were

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later transferred to CD and submitted to into property at

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PSSD headquarters. The case will remain active penning the m's

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post mortem examination report. Detective d. Christensen, So he's got

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the video. I think he met whether it was a

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screenshot or whatever, he was able to download it. So

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that's in evidence. We didn't get that from the FOI request.

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We just got these reports.

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Speaker 4: We didn't get anyttacuments other than this police report.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so this is the next report of the forensics investigator.

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So the forensics guy who came on scene, he writes

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on scene March twentieth, twenty twenty, at fifteen fifteen hundred

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and twenty hours. So as at three twenty, I was

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contacted by South Sound nine one one dispatch and requested

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to respond to one stell com Boulevard regarding this death investigation.

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At fifteen hundred and fifty hours, I arrived in established

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contact with Detective Christiansen, who further explained the incident to me. Now,

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Detective Christensen was just their first report that we just read.

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The scene consisted of a female body that was in

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the back of the West Pierce medic vehicle. West Pierce

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Fire had recovered this female for the water of the

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Puget Sound prior to my arrival. This female was wearing

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multicolored pants, a black and pink jacket over tan sweater,

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and a black shirt. Her left upper arm appeared to

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be broken. At z Et M E thirty two arrived

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and took possession of the body. I don't know what

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that means. I think that's his medical examiner tag. Maybe

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I'm guessing emy's medical examiner and at Zet whatever, I'm

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assuming that's just whatever that department talk is. I exposed

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multiple digital images of the scene using a Nikon D

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thirty three hundred set on autofocus with a Nikon dx

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AFS nicore eighteen to fifty five millimeter f one x

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three five five point six G two or dx AFS

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nicore fifty five dash two hundred milimeter. I'm gonna skip

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the rest of it. You get the id's explaining the

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camera he used. He used a fine resolution format at

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thirteen point five megapixel sizing. The built in auto flash

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or attached speed light was utilized as needed, dependent on

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ambient light availability. Images were captured on a two gigabyte

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compact flash card and transferred to the case image server.

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I cleared the scene at seventeen thirty hours. Anderson he

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puts his number forensic investigator. So it basically he says

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he's got the report from Detective Chrichtensen. He took a

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bunch of photos with his cameras, transferred it into evidence,

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and cleared the scene essentially. So now I have a

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narrative from the report. On March twenty fourth, I think

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this is detective Christensen again.

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Speaker 4: Let me look at the end.

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Speaker 2: Yes, this is Detective Christensen again. A few days later,

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March twenty fourth, twenty twenty. On three twenty four, twenty twenty,

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I received the requested meticfield report from the West Pierce

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Fire and Rescue. The field report indicated that fire and

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Rescue dispatched time was at fourteen hundred nineteen hours and

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arrived unseen was at fourteen one hundred.

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Speaker 4: And twenty seven hours.

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Speaker 2: An official time of death was noted at fifteen hundred

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and seven hours by doctor Hearsing at Good Samaritan Hospital.

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The field report was downnloaded, transfer to CD and submitted

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into property at the PCSD at headquarters. At about eleven

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hundred and fifteen hours, iphoned WSP and requested a copy

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of Trooper Knox's collision report in any related documentation regarding

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his investigation prior to the recovery of the descendant. I

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was provided contact information for Trooper Knox in the WSP

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Public Disclosure Office. I sent the request to both contacts

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via department email. I was provided a CAD readout of

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the WSP incident, and Trooper Knox later supplied me with

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documents related to his investigation. Such documents included an incident report,

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a type statement from assisting Gig Harbor PD officer Irwin,

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an inpound form, and several scene photos of the involved vehicle.

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So now he's talking about this crash vehicle reports exactly

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which we knew nothing about. Trooper Knox documented that he

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was dispatched to a two thousand and nine Chrysler Town

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and Country parked mid span of the Narrows Bridge eastbound

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around oh seventeen hours, so this is twelve seventeen in

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the morning on March twentieth, So this is after that

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ring video occurred.

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Speaker 5: After the ring video occurred.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, when the actual video occurred. Yep, not when

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it was posted on social media, when the recording occurred.

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Speaker 5: Right.

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Speaker 2: The caller reported observing broken glass in the roadway and

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a black mail near the vehicle. Trooper Knox arrived at

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twenty hours, so that's twelve twenty in the morning on

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the twentieth and contacted Demetrius at C Jackson as he

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was reaching into the vehicle.

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Speaker 5: I think this is the first the first bombshell here

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from the report. Right, Yes, air Castle Quist is definitely

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not a black mail and we see that with this

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Dimitrius Jackson, who happened to be at the scene of

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what appears to be an accident with the van, reaching

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into it as the officer arrives.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Plus, if you look at this bridge, and what we'll

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do is I'll pull it up on Google Earth because

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I have these saved. It's not a small bridge, So like,

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why is this guy in the middle of the bridge

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at midnight, right basically, so, Demetrius's behavior was erratic as

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issues of both alcohol and mental health was suspected. He

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claimed to have been offered a ride by a female

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driver in the minivan, and he asserted that there was

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another passenger in the back of the car. That's the bombshell, right,

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the female stopped the car, got out and gifted Demetrius

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the vehicle.

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Speaker 4: Officer.

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Speaker 2: Erwin documented that he contacted the minivan's registered owner, ERICI

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Haselquist at home around oh fifty three hours so twelve

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fifty three in the morning. Eric maintained that his wife,

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gwennolen Heselquist, was home and with him, and he was

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noticeably unfhazed when advised his vehicle had been stolen. Right, So,

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so we have this guy who's posting his wife's missing.

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When the officer calls him and says, I have your

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van midspan, he said, I'm home with my wife. Now

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I'm at home and my wife's not here. He asserted

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that he was with her, right.

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Speaker 5: Absolutely, And it's I think it's interesting that they note

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that he was noticeably unfazed.

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Speaker 2: Uh, yeah, your car's been's on oh Okay, right, right in.

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Speaker 5: The middle of the night, the police knock on your door.

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Your car's been stolen and found at the bridge, and

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you're unphased by that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Well, and so I don't know if he went

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to his house. It just says he contacted my my

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I guess he could have. My thought process was he

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got his content information and called him.

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Speaker 5: So I think there's a little bit and it will

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get to it in the police report, but there is

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mention about him not confirming that Gwyn Hasselquist was in

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the house at the time, So I don't.

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Speaker 2: Know, Well, he reported or missing, right, and he's saying

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to this officer that he's with her, right, So that's

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like already contradiction of the reporter missing. The ring camera

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that he posted was earlier than this incident, and he's like, no,

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I'm at home and she's here too, right.

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Speaker 5: And the timing part of this I think is important.

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So this seems to be the very first contact with

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air castle Quist. My wife's here with me on fazed

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by the van being missing, and obviously that changes throughout

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the timeline here.

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Speaker 2: So going on after that, Eric reported last seeing his

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vehicle around twenty two hundred hours on March nineteenth, so

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that's ten o'clock March nineteenth. Eric showed a doorbell camera

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video of Gwenolen leaving the house around twenty two hundred

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and nineteen hours. Eric insisted she return home after However,

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there is no video of her doing so. Officer Irwin

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did not verify that Gwenolen was home with Eric stated

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as Eric stated he believed his wife was positive for

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COVID nineteen. So again we are now in the case

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where he's putting on Facebook that she's missing. He's telling

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the officer that he's with her because he said she

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came home after that video, and he's immediately jumping to.

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Speaker 4: She thought she was COVID nineteen positive.

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Speaker 2: So speculative Joe says, he's trying to continue to play

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the COVID nineteen narrative to help cover it up.

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Speaker 4: That's like you guys are.

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Speaker 2: I'll know my stance on this thing, so I'm gonna

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try my hardest to be unbiased and continue to go

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down this path of maybe it's not that, but I

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think it's not looking good so far. He's lying to

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the police about what's actually happening. He's lying about his

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wife being there when she's not yeah, and then he's

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immediately jumping to the oh, well, and she thinks she

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is COVID, Like, it's not really relevant to your van

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being found on the midspan of.

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Speaker 4: A bridge smashed up, exactly.

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Speaker 2: It's not relative to what he's talking about. And so

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it's to me, that's like a mind who's got I

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have my story, and I need to make sure I'm

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always driving everybody in the direction of my narrative, my

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story of what's happening. So he had to throw that

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in there, even though it's not related.

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Speaker 5: And I think reading this, there seems to be some

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gaps in this narrative on the police reporter, it sounds

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like this is one instance of the officer Erwin contacting Eric.

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So this all happens, first, your van's missing. Is your

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wife there? Yes, she's here, she left earlier. Here's a

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video of her leaving. But she returned after that, but

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she's still in the house at that time.

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Speaker 2: Well, and then he's posting on social media that's the

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last time he saw her. On his social media post,

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he's this is the last thing I've This is the

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last video I have of my wife.

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Speaker 4: That's what he posted right.

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Speaker 2: Then he's telling the officer that he said she for

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sure came back home.

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Speaker 5: Right right, So there's some inconsistencies.

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Speaker 2: There were a lot of inconsistencies there, absolutely all right,

475
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:28,359
so I'll continue. So Officer Irwin notified Trooper Knox that

476
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:32,640
the minivan was unreported and unreported stolen vehicle. Demetris was

477
00:24:32,640 --> 00:24:36,400
taken into custody at the scene. Post Miranda, Demetris amended

478
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,279
his story and claimed that he was not picked up

479
00:24:38,279 --> 00:24:40,759
by the female. He said the female in the minivan

480
00:24:40,839 --> 00:24:42,759
was unresponsive when he told her not to park on

481
00:24:42,799 --> 00:24:46,599
the bridge. Demetris walked towards Jackson Avenue, but return to

482
00:24:46,640 --> 00:24:49,440
checking the vehicle and its occupants. So he is like

483
00:24:49,680 --> 00:24:52,680
stating that there's two people. But of course with this story,

484
00:24:53,440 --> 00:24:55,359
he also seemed like he may have been drunk and

485
00:24:55,400 --> 00:24:57,599
had some mental health issues. So you can't, like, if

486
00:24:57,640 --> 00:25:01,599
I'm going to be consistent in trying be truthful, his

487
00:25:01,720 --> 00:25:04,960
testimony really doesn't. You can't take it as like sound

488
00:25:05,079 --> 00:25:07,160
it's a drunk guy with mental health issues on a bridge.

489
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:09,480
But he's very positive there's another passenger. He's saying he

490
00:25:09,519 --> 00:25:13,279
went to check on the occupants. He's going there assuming

491
00:25:13,279 --> 00:25:14,839
there's two people in that van.

492
00:25:14,880 --> 00:25:17,480
Speaker 5: Right, And I think in these couple of sentences here,

493
00:25:17,519 --> 00:25:20,480
there's just three things that jump out to me. First,

494
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:23,160
we have post miranda, So this is a Miranda warning

495
00:25:23,279 --> 00:25:26,799
was giving given to Demetrius, which means he was under

496
00:25:27,000 --> 00:25:30,160
custodio interrogation, perhaps arrested for something.

497
00:25:30,319 --> 00:25:32,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, it says he was taken into custody, So I

498
00:25:32,319 --> 00:25:34,200
don't know if that means he was actually handcuffed or

499
00:25:34,240 --> 00:25:36,640
at least just brought there. You're the lawyer, does that?

500
00:25:36,680 --> 00:25:38,680
Could that mean he was just like, hey, sit down.

501
00:25:38,799 --> 00:25:41,079
Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean you could be invited into custody, but

502
00:25:41,359 --> 00:25:44,279
the moment that you're not free to leave and they begin.

503
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:46,880
Speaker 4: Your Miranda rights at that point, right, So we.

504
00:25:46,920 --> 00:25:49,440
Speaker 5: Know it got to that point, right, And what this

505
00:25:49,640 --> 00:25:52,640
was for it remains a question because was it a

506
00:25:52,680 --> 00:25:55,000
breaking and injuring sort of thing. Did they suspect that

507
00:25:55,039 --> 00:25:58,559
he was involved in the missing person's case? Kind of?

508
00:25:58,599 --> 00:25:59,759
I'm clear there. You know this.

509
00:26:00,119 --> 00:26:01,759
Speaker 2: You think there's a guy in a bridge with a

510
00:26:01,880 --> 00:26:04,279
car that's been in an accident, it's parked a Miller

511
00:26:04,319 --> 00:26:06,839
bridge and it's the only guy there, right, it's not suspicious,

512
00:26:06,839 --> 00:26:08,839
So I don't see any fault in them, Like, all right,

513
00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:12,000
this guy might be involved somehow. Yep, they're coming in

514
00:26:12,039 --> 00:26:12,839
completely blind.

515
00:26:12,880 --> 00:26:15,799
Speaker 5: Absolutely no, and it completely makes sense there the other

516
00:26:15,880 --> 00:26:18,599
thing and you just hit it, Joe, it's this says

517
00:26:18,680 --> 00:26:22,359
that he approached gwyn about not being able to park

518
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:25,559
the vehicle there. But what we have is a description

519
00:26:25,640 --> 00:26:28,720
of a single vehicle accident. I know there's somewhere in

520
00:26:28,720 --> 00:26:31,880
the report there's information about the windows of the vehicle

521
00:26:31,960 --> 00:26:34,000
being blown out, and it's.

522
00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,960
Speaker 2: There's broken glass all over the place, so like it

523
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,039
had some sort of an accident of some sort.

524
00:26:39,119 --> 00:26:41,640
Speaker 5: And it's I just find it interesting that we're talking

525
00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,400
about parking the vehicle right this. Yeah, if there was

526
00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:47,839
an accident here on the bridge, that wouldn't be the

527
00:26:47,880 --> 00:26:50,720
word I would used to describe where the vehicle is,

528
00:26:50,799 --> 00:26:51,400
right yes.

529
00:26:51,519 --> 00:26:52,079
Speaker 4: Yeah.

530
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:55,200
Speaker 5: And the third thing here and we'll see it throughout,

531
00:26:55,279 --> 00:26:58,559
is that notes that dimitris A mended his story. We're

532
00:26:58,559 --> 00:27:02,079
talking about the sub since in mental health issues. But

533
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,279
I think there's three, maybe four different stories that seem

534
00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,200
to come from him, and so you got to take

535
00:27:07,279 --> 00:27:09,359
each one with a grain of salt, But definitely interesting

536
00:27:09,480 --> 00:27:12,160
that one of the stories is there was someone in

537
00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:12,799
the vehicles.

538
00:27:12,839 --> 00:27:14,359
Speaker 2: Well, and that's the one thing I noticed, And we'll

539
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:18,720
go through this. There's consistency among those stories. And I

540
00:27:18,799 --> 00:27:21,759
was not a paramedic and EMT for a while and

541
00:27:22,119 --> 00:27:24,240
we were taught, and you after time, I did for

542
00:27:24,279 --> 00:27:26,519
about four years. After time, you start to understand what

543
00:27:26,599 --> 00:27:29,240
you should believe in what you shouldn't believe. And when

544
00:27:29,279 --> 00:27:32,720
there's people telling stories and the stories are changing, you

545
00:27:32,759 --> 00:27:35,400
can always find consistencies among their different stories to find

546
00:27:35,400 --> 00:27:37,799
the nugget of truth. And the one thing he is

547
00:27:37,839 --> 00:27:40,119
consistent on amongst the stories that there was definitely not

548
00:27:40,200 --> 00:27:43,039
one person there. He's not one hundred percent sure. Again,

549
00:27:43,079 --> 00:27:45,240
I got to play Devil's advocate. It's a drunk guy

550
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,599
with potential mental health issues. But he's always referencing more

551
00:27:48,640 --> 00:27:50,359
than one person, right.

552
00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:53,000
Speaker 5: Right, And I think there is one one moment where

553
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:55,880
he recants on that. But there's definitely what we're looking

554
00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,839
at is uncertainty on that for sure.

555
00:27:58,960 --> 00:27:59,559
Speaker 4: Absolutely.

556
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,680
Speaker 2: So after they said Demetri, this is Demetrius telling the

557
00:28:03,720 --> 00:28:06,240
officer what he did. He said he walked towards Jackson Avenue,

558
00:28:06,240 --> 00:28:08,599
but the return to check the vehicle and its occupants,

559
00:28:09,000 --> 00:28:12,440
he noticed a dark figure over the guardrail, which then disappeared.

560
00:28:13,240 --> 00:28:15,759
He could not say the figure was female driver or

561
00:28:15,839 --> 00:28:18,200
she had in fact jumped off the bridge. Demetrius assumed

562
00:28:18,240 --> 00:28:20,880
she had jumped. He maintained that the minivan was a

563
00:28:20,920 --> 00:28:24,119
gift because I thought it was her last dying wish.

564
00:28:24,400 --> 00:28:25,920
So he just thought he was getting a free car

565
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:26,279
out of this.

566
00:28:26,279 --> 00:28:30,039
Speaker 4: Whole thing, which is I mean that alone, I don't know,

567
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:30,799
that's kind of weird.

568
00:28:31,079 --> 00:28:35,400
Speaker 2: Ah, drunk guy. I'm guessing maybe homeless mental health issues.

569
00:28:35,440 --> 00:28:38,119
I guess like he's looking at it like my car.

570
00:28:38,200 --> 00:28:40,079
She said it was mine, like it's mine. I could

571
00:28:40,079 --> 00:28:43,240
see that. Downtown Milwaukee, somebody would totally do that. Yeah,

572
00:28:43,359 --> 00:28:45,200
if cars sitting there and there's no one around, like, oh,

573
00:28:45,200 --> 00:28:46,160
there's what I could have it?

574
00:28:46,279 --> 00:28:48,240
Speaker 4: Like, right, opportunity strikes well.

575
00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:50,480
Speaker 5: And I think he's maybe backtracking a little bit too,

576
00:28:50,519 --> 00:28:53,319
if he's been arrested or he's at least being interrogated here,

577
00:28:53,359 --> 00:28:56,359
and it's I wasn't stealing it. I didn't do anything wrong.

578
00:28:56,480 --> 00:28:58,400
Speaker 2: That's a great point to say, hey, hey, hey, hey this,

579
00:28:58,559 --> 00:29:00,480
I didn't crash this, I wasn't stealing it. This was

580
00:29:00,519 --> 00:29:03,279
a gift, right, yep. But he even have the keys

581
00:29:03,359 --> 00:29:05,720
because it was on her body, all right. So Trooper

582
00:29:05,759 --> 00:29:09,839
Knox later learned that Gwenolyn had been reported missing, Demetrius

583
00:29:09,880 --> 00:29:14,079
was released from custody. Demetris id'ed Gwenolyn from her Washington

584
00:29:14,200 --> 00:29:17,039
A license image as a female he had interacted with

585
00:29:17,079 --> 00:29:19,559
on the bridge. So he did confirm that they showed

586
00:29:19,839 --> 00:29:22,480
him an image of her, and he said, yes, that's

587
00:29:22,519 --> 00:29:23,519
who I interacted with.

588
00:29:24,279 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 5: Right.

589
00:29:24,839 --> 00:29:27,559
Speaker 2: Eric's image was also shown to Demetrius. However, he did

590
00:29:27,599 --> 00:29:31,799
not know him, so he's saying there were two people

591
00:29:32,240 --> 00:29:36,359
he recognized. Gwen did not recognize Eric's image, So the

592
00:29:36,359 --> 00:29:37,559
officer did a great job of.

593
00:29:37,519 --> 00:29:38,440
Speaker 4: Like, hey this her husband.

594
00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:40,400
Speaker 2: Was this the other person that you saw with He

595
00:29:40,519 --> 00:29:42,359
could not confirm that he didn't know him.

596
00:29:42,880 --> 00:29:46,400
Speaker 5: And another thing here that I think is interesting as well,

597
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:50,440
as we have that Gwenn was reported missing, it doesn't

598
00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,960
say who reported or missing. I think the presumption is

599
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:55,440
that it was Eric, but we know from the timeline

600
00:29:55,480 --> 00:29:59,519
that first officer I think it was Irwin her Knox

601
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,079
had asked Eric if his wife was home, and he says, yes,

602
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,720
she's home. He leaves without confirming.

603
00:30:04,400 --> 00:30:06,240
Speaker 2: And now now he's missing.

604
00:30:06,319 --> 00:30:10,400
Speaker 5: Now she's missing, and presumably Eric was the one that

605
00:30:10,440 --> 00:30:13,200
reported her missing. What changed in that time.

606
00:30:13,279 --> 00:30:15,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're talking like an hour of all this happening,

607
00:30:15,759 --> 00:30:19,079
of him making contact with the car, contacting the owner saying, no,

608
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:22,079
I'm home. My wife's home with me. Yeah she left

609
00:30:22,079 --> 00:30:24,480
in this ring video, but she totally came back. She's here.

610
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,079
But now he's tying it to a missing person, right,

611
00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,119
So like this is not adding up, and it's such

612
00:30:29,119 --> 00:30:30,880
a small amount of time that occurred. It's not like

613
00:30:31,119 --> 00:30:33,200
did he wake up and then oh, she's missing, I'm

614
00:30:33,359 --> 00:30:36,200
reported officially now yep, it's a little shady.

615
00:30:35,920 --> 00:30:38,400
Speaker 5: And whether or not the officer was coming to the

616
00:30:38,519 --> 00:30:43,920
house or calling Eric, Are you not confirming that everyone

617
00:30:44,000 --> 00:30:46,880
is in your house when your vehicle is missing. We

618
00:30:46,920 --> 00:30:50,000
found your vehicle somewhere. Seems like the first step you

619
00:30:50,000 --> 00:30:52,319
would take is well, making sure think about it.

620
00:30:52,400 --> 00:30:53,079
Speaker 4: We're all married.

621
00:30:53,799 --> 00:30:57,200
Speaker 2: If you get woken up at midnight and it's a

622
00:30:57,240 --> 00:31:00,839
police office saying your van is smash up in the

623
00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,559
middle of a bridge a few minutes from your house

624
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,880
and we have a report that your wife was involved

625
00:31:07,880 --> 00:31:11,759
and she's no longer here, I'm gonna freak out. I'm

626
00:31:11,759 --> 00:31:14,759
gonna freak out. I'm not gonna be calm unless she's

627
00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:16,640
Even if she's right next to me, I'll be like, oh,

628
00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:20,279
thank god, she's right here, But why is my van there?

629
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:23,400
And his report was he seemed unphased by any of

630
00:31:23,440 --> 00:31:27,640
that communication. That is a huge red flag that either

631
00:31:27,680 --> 00:31:32,240
he's guilty or a huge sociopath, which even then, like

632
00:31:32,680 --> 00:31:34,759
if you're a sociopath, it's like who stole my car?

633
00:31:34,880 --> 00:31:35,279
Speaker 4: I don't know.

634
00:31:35,359 --> 00:31:37,680
Speaker 2: That's just everything's not lining up here.

635
00:31:37,640 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 5: In Devil's Advocate or to play fair, it's the middle

636
00:31:40,440 --> 00:31:43,559
of the night. There are surprises. It could be it's

637
00:31:43,559 --> 00:31:47,039
hard to attribute an attitude to Eric at this time.

638
00:31:47,279 --> 00:31:50,559
Being unphased is maybe just not comprehending the situation, right,

639
00:31:50,599 --> 00:31:55,799
But I think it's important that this's the whole unphased language.

640
00:31:56,279 --> 00:32:01,519
It's completely contradictory to what we see on social media afterwards. Right,

641
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:04,319
he's showing great concern for his wife. He immediately posts

642
00:32:04,319 --> 00:32:06,920
the video of her missing, asking for help finding her.

643
00:32:07,279 --> 00:32:08,480
That's not someone who's on face.

644
00:32:08,559 --> 00:32:11,960
Speaker 2: So could you pull up the images from Facebook while

645
00:32:11,960 --> 00:32:13,880
we're just talking to see if there's timestamps, and when

646
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:16,079
he posted like she's missing, she's gone, just to see

647
00:32:16,119 --> 00:32:18,440
what day it was or even relatively with time. Did

648
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:22,640
it all start posting after this whole thing unfolded, he's

649
00:32:22,680 --> 00:32:24,680
like trying to start making story or was it like

650
00:32:25,079 --> 00:32:27,240
was he posting before, Hey, she's missing and I can't

651
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:27,640
find her.

652
00:32:27,839 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 4: I'd love to know that.

653
00:32:28,720 --> 00:32:30,799
Speaker 2: I just I know, I say it on our Facebook page,

654
00:32:30,839 --> 00:32:33,039
So the images are there, but most of the posts

655
00:32:33,039 --> 00:32:33,960
are still up.

656
00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:35,400
Speaker 4: On his Facebook live too.

657
00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:37,920
Speaker 3: So yeah, I mean, I really get the impression that

658
00:32:38,079 --> 00:32:41,359
he fled the country because he was very active on

659
00:32:41,400 --> 00:32:44,200
social media up until probably earlier.

660
00:32:44,400 --> 00:32:46,599
Speaker 2: What gave you that impression? The quote that I'm leaving

661
00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:47,599
the country.

662
00:32:47,519 --> 00:32:52,799
Speaker 3: Maybe, but his post is dry up, I think, Yeah,

663
00:32:52,839 --> 00:32:54,359
he went dark spring of this year.

664
00:32:54,559 --> 00:32:56,720
Speaker 5: Yeah right, yeah, and I do so I do have

665
00:32:56,880 --> 00:32:59,880
at least the video of the ring video that was posted,

666
00:33:00,079 --> 00:33:03,960
and it's it's from five forty five am. And so

667
00:33:04,039 --> 00:33:04,799
we're talking.

668
00:33:04,920 --> 00:33:05,640
Speaker 4: On the twentieth.

669
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 2: Okay, so after all this craziness occurred, he makes a

670
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:10,359
post that this is the last I've seen her.

671
00:33:10,480 --> 00:33:14,200
Speaker 5: Sure, so it's in between he's told the first contact

672
00:33:14,319 --> 00:33:17,839
is at twelve fifty three am on the twentieth. Yes,

673
00:33:17,880 --> 00:33:20,119
the post of the video and thing, the flurry of

674
00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:23,759
social media posts occurred in the early morning hours of

675
00:33:23,799 --> 00:33:28,920
the twentieth, but the body wasn't found until that afternoon. Yes,

676
00:33:29,039 --> 00:33:29,680
so that's good.

677
00:33:30,519 --> 00:33:32,000
Speaker 2: He posted that saying, this is the last time I

678
00:33:32,000 --> 00:33:34,880
saw her. He just told the police officer at midnight

679
00:33:35,880 --> 00:33:41,440
that she left and came back, right, So if he's saying, granted,

680
00:33:41,519 --> 00:33:44,079
it's social media, so again I'm gonna try and play

681
00:33:44,079 --> 00:33:45,960
devil's advocate. He could have just said, this is the

682
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:48,039
last time I actually saw her. Maybe he thought he

683
00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,480
saw her and he was sleepy or whatever and thought

684
00:33:50,519 --> 00:33:52,680
she was home and he was just in a daze

685
00:33:52,680 --> 00:33:53,480
because he was tired.

686
00:33:53,599 --> 00:33:56,039
Speaker 4: Okay, But he told the officer.

687
00:33:55,720 --> 00:33:57,799
Speaker 2: That she did leave and that he was sure she

688
00:33:57,920 --> 00:34:00,000
came back, and then in the morning posts he said

689
00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:03,079
this is the last I've seen her, right, So that

690
00:34:03,200 --> 00:34:06,319
already all right there contradicts what he's telling police versus

691
00:34:06,359 --> 00:34:07,920
what he's posting on social media.

692
00:34:07,960 --> 00:34:10,440
Speaker 5: And we touched on this a bit in part one.

693
00:34:10,920 --> 00:34:14,480
But shortly thereafter, shortly after he posts the video of

694
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,360
when and ask for help finding her, we have a

695
00:34:17,440 --> 00:34:21,320
post from seven thirty am, two hours later today, I've

696
00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:25,039
watched the sunrise knowing that likely my love didn't get

697
00:34:25,039 --> 00:34:27,519
to see it. I am broken. And so this is

698
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:31,840
before bodies found shortly, it's within seven hours of the

699
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:35,199
police first contacting him, and it's a pretty pretty big

700
00:34:35,280 --> 00:34:37,440
change in kind of attitude, at least from what we're

701
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:38,719
seeing on social media.

702
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:41,719
Speaker 2: That is a great point because you said he posted

703
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:43,440
at like five am the video.

704
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,079
Speaker 5: The videos at five forty six.

705
00:34:45,199 --> 00:34:48,199
Speaker 2: It's only an hour later he's like, oh, she's probably dead, right,

706
00:34:48,360 --> 00:34:51,000
Like he basically has just learned, Like, if we're to

707
00:34:51,119 --> 00:34:54,400
believe that he's not involved, he learned that she had

708
00:34:54,400 --> 00:34:58,679
gone missing around one in the morning, at five in

709
00:34:58,679 --> 00:35:01,760
the more or five, so it's basically six am he's

710
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,239
posting the social media that she's missing, have you seen her?

711
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:06,639
And then hourly like, oh, she's dead, Like she didn't

712
00:35:06,639 --> 00:35:09,320
make it, Like he gave up hope. Pretty dang quick

713
00:35:09,440 --> 00:35:11,519
for somebody who doesn't know what happened.

714
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:15,000
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think it's hard to know what was communicated

715
00:35:15,000 --> 00:35:18,719
to him too. We have Demetrius, the individual who's reaching

716
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:24,679
into the vehicle. He's been interrogated, perhaps arrested, and he's

717
00:35:24,719 --> 00:35:27,159
saying that he saw a figure disappear off the bridge.

718
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,559
This could have been communicated to Eric by the police

719
00:35:29,559 --> 00:35:31,559
at some point in time that Hey, there was a

720
00:35:31,599 --> 00:35:35,360
witness there who says your wife disappeared from the bridge,

721
00:35:35,360 --> 00:35:37,360
but there's also a lot.

722
00:35:37,360 --> 00:35:40,800
Speaker 2: Then why does he post she's missing? Has anyone seen

723
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:42,360
her at five am?

724
00:35:42,760 --> 00:35:44,079
Speaker 4: That's or six am?

725
00:35:44,119 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 2: That's Like, I agree with you, he probably was informed

726
00:35:47,079 --> 00:35:50,079
of at least a witness testimony. But then again I

727
00:35:50,079 --> 00:35:53,320
would say, okay, he's if he's totally informed. He then

728
00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,199
posts in social media that contradicts everything he should know

729
00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,199
or everything he told the police, and then our later

730
00:36:00,239 --> 00:36:03,239
has basically said, Yep, she probably didn't make it. This

731
00:36:03,039 --> 00:36:03,960
is this is over.

732
00:36:04,400 --> 00:36:06,880
Speaker 5: And Joe, you've been putting yourself in kind of his

733
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,880
shoes here and we have if it's communicated that we

734
00:36:09,960 --> 00:36:13,800
found your van, your wife's missing, we've arrested an individual,

735
00:36:13,880 --> 00:36:16,760
or we're interrogating an individual who was reaching into the van,

736
00:36:17,159 --> 00:36:19,559
we can't find your wife. I mean, what's your first

737
00:36:19,639 --> 00:36:21,320
thought in that situation.

738
00:36:21,039 --> 00:36:24,280
Speaker 2: That she was attacked and potentially someone murdered her, Right, yeah,

739
00:36:24,760 --> 00:36:27,360
I'd be like, like I would be on the bridge,

740
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:30,239
I'd be like, where are you, where's my van? I'm

741
00:36:30,239 --> 00:36:32,719
coming there, like right now, Like because I would be

742
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:35,000
panicking because it's my wife and they've been married for

743
00:36:35,119 --> 00:36:39,920
at least thirteen years. Yeah, like that's I just had

744
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:41,039
my fifteen year anniversary.

745
00:36:41,119 --> 00:36:42,440
Speaker 4: Like, she is my world.

746
00:36:42,639 --> 00:36:44,440
Speaker 2: Like if something like that happened, I would be in

747
00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,800
a pure panic. And I'm pretty calm guy, but like

748
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,519
if I woke up to that call, I would be

749
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:53,559
freaking out. Yeah, and here's the deal. Like you said,

750
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:58,320
he noted that he was noticeably unfazed. That is a

751
00:36:58,320 --> 00:37:01,880
police officer saying noticeably unfazed. They see lots of crap.

752
00:37:02,199 --> 00:37:05,440
If he's commenting on a police report noticeably unfazed, that

753
00:37:05,480 --> 00:37:06,639
means it rubbed him weird.

754
00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:08,360
Speaker 4: And that's where these.

755
00:37:08,159 --> 00:37:11,039
Speaker 2: Types of guys, especially detective, there's a lot of hunches

756
00:37:11,079 --> 00:37:13,239
you have for how much you know, even if he's new,

757
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:17,039
it's he he noticed something strong enough to put it

758
00:37:17,079 --> 00:37:20,280
in the official report. Otherwise that's an innocuous thing to

759
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:21,480
put on a police report.

760
00:37:21,760 --> 00:37:24,559
Speaker 4: Well, I've seen enough enough of those TV shows.

761
00:37:24,599 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 2: You're gonna go enough of those TV shows, the real ones,

762
00:37:28,920 --> 00:37:31,559
the cops the first forty eight hours, okay, where they're

763
00:37:31,599 --> 00:37:34,440
doing real ky, not actors. It's real police, real cases,

764
00:37:34,519 --> 00:37:35,639
real cases.

765
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:40,320
Speaker 3: And one of the kind of themes is when someone

766
00:37:40,519 --> 00:37:43,599
is guilty of murder, they do act.

767
00:37:43,719 --> 00:37:45,000
Speaker 2: You don't have to hide it. You can port on

768
00:37:45,000 --> 00:37:47,159
the table. We're having whiskey.

769
00:37:47,199 --> 00:37:49,800
Speaker 5: It's mine for kids.

770
00:37:49,599 --> 00:37:55,119
Speaker 3: Anyway, all right, sorry, Mikey, I lost my completely lost my.

771
00:37:55,280 --> 00:37:57,320
Speaker 2: Sorry, but you're watching the first forty eight.

772
00:37:58,079 --> 00:38:00,679
Speaker 3: No, it's just like when the detectives in those shows

773
00:38:00,719 --> 00:38:04,159
make comments like, oh, his daughter just died and he

774
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:08,599
seemed unfhased. That is kind of a tell. I mean, yeah,

775
00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:13,280
most normal people are gonna be just distraught if if

776
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:14,159
someone goes missed.

777
00:38:13,960 --> 00:38:15,960
Speaker 2: If I found out you died, like you're not my family,

778
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:17,599
but we've been friends for a long time, Like, I

779
00:38:17,639 --> 00:38:18,880
would be very distraught.

780
00:38:18,880 --> 00:38:20,719
Speaker 4: I would, I would hope. So, but I'm just.

781
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,199
Speaker 2: Saying, like we're not blood related, like we're not like,

782
00:38:23,519 --> 00:38:25,840
you're not my child, you're not my wife.

783
00:38:25,920 --> 00:38:26,880
Speaker 4: And I would be like if.

784
00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:28,880
Speaker 2: Someone called me that, ear man, if somebody called me

785
00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,199
like and said Mike just died his cars crashed in

786
00:38:31,239 --> 00:38:34,199
the bridge, I would probably go out because you're you've

787
00:38:34,199 --> 00:38:36,320
been a friend of mine for what twenty years? Yeah,

788
00:38:36,360 --> 00:38:39,760
like I would be I would be phased by that. Yeah,

789
00:38:39,800 --> 00:38:41,920
so now you're taking it up a whole nother notch

790
00:38:42,039 --> 00:38:44,960
of this guy's wife, the mother to his children, and

791
00:38:45,000 --> 00:38:46,639
he's noticeably unphased.

792
00:38:46,920 --> 00:38:48,400
Speaker 4: That is a huge red flag.

793
00:38:48,519 --> 00:38:51,320
Speaker 3: And the interesting part about this is this detective is

794
00:38:51,360 --> 00:38:55,679
making this, he's noting this before any of the future

795
00:38:55,840 --> 00:38:56,840
social media posts.

796
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,199
Speaker 4: Yeah, he doesn't know anything that we're talking about.

797
00:38:59,239 --> 00:39:02,880
Speaker 3: Because if if you take the detective's comments and put

798
00:39:02,880 --> 00:39:04,960
it in the context of all of the other stuff

799
00:39:05,079 --> 00:39:08,719
Eric was posting, that to me is a big red flag.

800
00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 2: Well, and we're we're on assumption now, so I'm gonna

801
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:14,119
assume a detective comes on scene of a car in

802
00:39:14,119 --> 00:39:16,360
the Middle Bridge Park, there's this guy reaching in the

803
00:39:16,400 --> 00:39:19,199
car and this lady who's reported missing.

804
00:39:19,760 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 3: Like if you gotten to the point of the police

805
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,599
supert where they say one of the people or the

806
00:39:23,639 --> 00:39:25,880
detective or somebody said they thought they saw a third

807
00:39:25,880 --> 00:39:26,519
person in the van.

808
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:29,360
Speaker 2: Yeah that was Demetrius. Yes, so that's where but he

809
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:32,840
was potentially trump. No, No, that's kind of stream wheah.

810
00:39:33,519 --> 00:39:36,239
So that's Demetrius. And that's where again, like nothing's easy

811
00:39:36,280 --> 00:39:38,519
with this case, Like like we can't have like a

812
00:39:38,559 --> 00:39:40,400
coherent guy who just happened to be jogging in the

813
00:39:40,440 --> 00:39:41,880
middle of night because that's what he does, and he

814
00:39:41,920 --> 00:39:43,360
was sober and he's a normal person.

815
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:45,039
Speaker 4: No, it's a guy who might have mental issues.

816
00:39:45,400 --> 00:39:48,719
Speaker 2: Smell like alcohol, saying there was multiple people, and then

817
00:39:48,719 --> 00:39:50,000
his story changes like.

818
00:39:50,159 --> 00:39:53,239
Speaker 3: That is interesting because if you had a credible witness

819
00:39:53,280 --> 00:39:56,159
who saw a third person in the van, that would

820
00:39:56,159 --> 00:40:00,360
be very damning evidence. I think so, But you have

821
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:02,519
an alcoholic drug addicts exactly.

822
00:40:02,679 --> 00:40:04,400
Speaker 2: And that's why I'm trying to be fair. Everyone knows

823
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:05,960
my opinion. If you listen to this episode, you know

824
00:40:06,000 --> 00:40:08,440
what I think. So I'm trying to really try hard.

825
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:09,480
Speaker 4: To look at this objectively.

826
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:11,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I look at that as if I wasn't

827
00:40:11,639 --> 00:40:13,480
looking at it dejectively, i'd be like that guy saw

828
00:40:13,519 --> 00:40:16,239
two other people. That was her husband with her. Yeah,

829
00:40:16,320 --> 00:40:18,679
that's what I thought of immediately. And then in the

830
00:40:18,719 --> 00:40:20,800
police supports like I can smell alcohol. There might be

831
00:40:20,880 --> 00:40:23,039
mental health thing there. He's saying she gave him the van.

832
00:40:23,599 --> 00:40:25,880
He did confirm when he saw the picture that it

833
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:28,519
was her. I'm assuming the officer didn't lead him and

834
00:40:28,519 --> 00:40:30,360
just said, hey, do you recognize this person. He's like, yeah,

835
00:40:30,400 --> 00:40:32,519
that's the lady. This is These are assumptions now, because

836
00:40:32,519 --> 00:40:35,960
it's not written in here, so I'm going to continue. So,

837
00:40:36,039 --> 00:40:38,880
the images of the minivan showed extensive damage down the

838
00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:41,960
passenger side of the vehicle, all passenger side and windows

839
00:40:42,000 --> 00:40:46,440
appeared blown out or missing. Neither the WSP report nor

840
00:40:46,480 --> 00:40:50,079
the impound sheet indicated any inventory of the vehicle. The

841
00:40:50,159 --> 00:40:52,880
related WSP documents are transferred to a separate CD and

842
00:40:52,920 --> 00:40:56,000
submitted into property. This was Detective Critchenson. Again, this was

843
00:40:56,039 --> 00:40:58,679
a few days later that he's writing this report about

844
00:40:58,719 --> 00:41:02,960
the trooper. Nine is a report of this car accident midbridge.

845
00:41:03,039 --> 00:41:06,280
Speaker 5: And one thing here that is another open ended question

846
00:41:06,360 --> 00:41:09,199
from this report is where did the accident occur? What

847
00:41:09,320 --> 00:41:13,039
exactly happened to have the windows blown out or missing,

848
00:41:13,199 --> 00:41:15,920
it has to be a pretty severe impact. But we're

849
00:41:15,960 --> 00:41:18,639
not noting that it occurred on the bridge.

850
00:41:18,719 --> 00:41:21,159
Speaker 2: It's true, Yeah, that's where the vehicle was at rest.

851
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:23,679
They said there was glass on the ground right, And

852
00:41:24,239 --> 00:41:27,559
this is again my non professional opinion that I don't know,

853
00:41:27,599 --> 00:41:29,639
but it seemed like maybe it was a side swipe

854
00:41:29,639 --> 00:41:32,360
of some sort because it was the passenger windows, all

855
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:35,039
the windows, So maybe again, if she's on if we're

856
00:41:35,079 --> 00:41:38,400
to believe she took a bunch of cloas apam inebriated.

857
00:41:38,440 --> 00:41:41,400
Maybe side swiped the bridge rail. That's what I'm imagining,

858
00:41:41,480 --> 00:41:44,159
is like, maybe side swiped the bridge, well, scraped along it,

859
00:41:44,239 --> 00:41:46,719
blew the windows out, came to a stop, and just

860
00:41:46,760 --> 00:41:49,920
got out of the car. That's my assumption of what occurred.

861
00:41:50,119 --> 00:41:52,320
Speaker 5: And I know you have a map to bring up

862
00:41:52,400 --> 00:41:54,519
as we progress, but I think that's a fair assumption.

863
00:41:54,559 --> 00:41:57,000
But I think we need to look at this report

864
00:41:57,039 --> 00:42:00,840
and there's reasons that everything is in here. It's here

865
00:42:00,880 --> 00:42:03,960
for a reason. They're using words that stick out to them.

866
00:42:04,000 --> 00:42:06,840
There's meaning to this, But I think we also need

867
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:08,920
to look at what's not in there. And it's just weird,

868
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,000
a little weird to me that it doesn't say that

869
00:42:11,039 --> 00:42:13,639
there was an accident on the bridge. We responded to

870
00:42:13,679 --> 00:42:17,480
a single vehicle accident. But where did this occur? It

871
00:42:17,519 --> 00:42:19,199
does sound like it happened on.

872
00:42:19,239 --> 00:42:21,320
Speaker 2: The bridge, Yeah, but there's no confirmation, no.

873
00:42:21,159 --> 00:42:23,679
Speaker 5: Confirmation, just that there's glass and windows missing.

874
00:42:23,880 --> 00:42:26,199
Speaker 3: I feel like if she would have hit another vehicle,

875
00:42:26,679 --> 00:42:29,800
there would have been mentioned that in the police support.

876
00:42:29,679 --> 00:42:32,159
Speaker 2: That certainly, Well, yeah, some other person would have been

877
00:42:32,199 --> 00:42:35,559
driving unless they were drunk and wanted to get away. Yeah,

878
00:42:35,559 --> 00:42:37,920
and it was like both people were inebraated and one

879
00:42:37,920 --> 00:42:38,599
person got away.

880
00:42:38,679 --> 00:42:41,800
Speaker 3: I guess this maybe she side swiped a piece of

881
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:42,199
the bridge.

882
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:42,800
Speaker 4: That's what I think.

883
00:42:42,840 --> 00:42:44,400
Speaker 2: I think it's a side swipe of guardrail. And it

884
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,960
said it was passenger side, so it wasn't like her side.

885
00:42:47,559 --> 00:42:51,400
So my guess is she's inebrated driving on these pills

886
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:54,079
or now if I'm going to go down my route,

887
00:42:54,079 --> 00:42:56,000
I I think he did it. Was she like fighting

888
00:42:56,039 --> 00:42:58,800
with him in the car? Was he like forcibly causing

889
00:42:58,880 --> 00:42:59,639
something to happen?

890
00:43:00,079 --> 00:43:03,039
Speaker 5: Yeah, and we'll see this later. But why did the

891
00:43:03,039 --> 00:43:05,519
accident if it occurred at the bridge, why did it

892
00:43:05,519 --> 00:43:08,559
occur there? What happened at that point in time that

893
00:43:08,679 --> 00:43:11,719
an accident was caused enough to blow out the window?

894
00:43:11,760 --> 00:43:15,079
Speaker 2: See, we get more information, just more questions, more questions.

895
00:43:15,159 --> 00:43:17,400
So now we're going to go to This isn't the

896
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:21,719
medical examiner's report. This is the detective's read of the report.

897
00:43:21,760 --> 00:43:23,440
So he's putting in his own report saying that he

898
00:43:23,519 --> 00:43:28,920
read it. So on eight twenty five of twenty nineteen,

899
00:43:29,199 --> 00:43:31,480
he put nineteen. I think that was just a misprint

900
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,360
because that's I copied this directly. Yeah, I received and

901
00:43:34,400 --> 00:43:37,400
reviewed the post mortem examination report of Gwendolyn M.

902
00:43:37,480 --> 00:43:38,400
Speaker 4: Heselquist.

903
00:43:38,639 --> 00:43:41,760
Speaker 2: The examination was conducted by Pierce County Medical Examiner doctor

904
00:43:41,800 --> 00:43:46,199
Thomas Clark on three point twenty three of twenty twenty.

905
00:43:46,280 --> 00:43:49,360
The EMMY report indicated the following cause of death, multiple

906
00:43:49,400 --> 00:43:53,599
traumatic injuries due to fall manner of death suicide. Additionally,

907
00:43:53,760 --> 00:43:58,719
chloe az apam, a schedule for benzodiazepine derivative, was detected

908
00:43:58,760 --> 00:44:02,119
into the sentence blood. The EMMY report was submitted into

909
00:44:02,159 --> 00:44:07,360
property at the PCSDHQ. This investigation will be cleared exceptionally

910
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:12,559
exceptional resolved. So I have an issue with this of

911
00:44:12,559 --> 00:44:14,760
someone who's not a expert at this, so I will

912
00:44:14,800 --> 00:44:15,199
admit that.

913
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:16,280
Speaker 4: And I'm sure everyone knows.

914
00:44:16,199 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 2: That you mentioned that colasipan was in the blood. Didn't

915
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:21,360
say it was any any type of lethal level. Yeah,

916
00:44:21,480 --> 00:44:24,159
it is a benzodiazepine, so it can definitely affect. I

917
00:44:24,159 --> 00:44:26,440
do know stuff about drugs because I helped start a

918
00:44:26,639 --> 00:44:28,679
drug testing company fill.

919
00:44:28,559 --> 00:44:32,559
Speaker 3: Us US non drug drug people. What does that make

920
00:44:32,599 --> 00:44:33,079
you tired?

921
00:44:33,239 --> 00:44:33,920
Speaker 4: So it can.

922
00:44:35,000 --> 00:44:36,519
Speaker 2: It's like one of the drugs that says do not

923
00:44:36,599 --> 00:44:38,719
operate heavy equipment. Okay, it can make you kind of

924
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,920
punch drunk, like if it will make you like, it's

925
00:44:41,920 --> 00:44:43,239
like drinking and driving.

926
00:44:43,000 --> 00:44:44,920
Speaker 4: If you took like a beta drill and then tried

927
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,239
to drive alator. This is if you took a lot

928
00:44:47,280 --> 00:44:47,880
of beta drill.

929
00:44:48,000 --> 00:44:50,480
Speaker 2: Okay, Like it's a little bit more so, it's a

930
00:44:50,519 --> 00:44:52,239
schedule for drug.

931
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:53,119
Speaker 4: So it's a little bit.

932
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:57,280
Speaker 2: It's not over the counter, you can't it's strong one. Yeah, okay,

933
00:44:57,480 --> 00:44:59,719
so it's you can't get it over the counter. It's

934
00:44:59,719 --> 00:45:01,800
got to be prescribed and it can't affect you. So

935
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:04,360
like her inability to put the king lock is she

936
00:45:04,519 --> 00:45:06,239
probably did take too many of these things.

937
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:07,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's an antidepressant. Yeah it was.

938
00:45:08,119 --> 00:45:11,159
Speaker 2: It was infer anxiety. They'll give it for That would

939
00:45:11,159 --> 00:45:13,880
be why she was unable to do that. It's if

940
00:45:13,920 --> 00:45:17,280
he's noting that it was in her system. Yeah, it's

941
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:20,199
probably not enough to kill her. So if she's saying

942
00:45:20,239 --> 00:45:23,159
she took sixty pills, she would have probably not made

943
00:45:23,199 --> 00:45:26,199
it to the bridge. Yeah, without knowing her dosage or whatever.

944
00:45:26,239 --> 00:45:26,920
Speaker 4: That's a lot.

945
00:45:27,079 --> 00:45:29,199
Speaker 2: That's a lot of anything that you can take.

946
00:45:29,480 --> 00:45:32,320
Speaker 5: And I think that's where once again there's more questions

947
00:45:32,320 --> 00:45:34,880
here is what was the level of the drug at

948
00:45:34,880 --> 00:45:37,559
this time to me, if she's prescribed to this drug

949
00:45:37,599 --> 00:45:40,280
and it's daily, you're taking it daily, and maybe you're

950
00:45:40,280 --> 00:45:42,760
self medicating a little bit, and you took two pills

951
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:44,880
or three pills, and that might still be in your

952
00:45:44,920 --> 00:45:48,320
blood when the autopsy is performed, right, But sixty pills

953
00:45:48,480 --> 00:45:49,920
is quite a different story.

954
00:45:50,079 --> 00:45:52,079
Speaker 2: Well, and we're supposed to believe she odd on it

955
00:45:52,119 --> 00:45:56,760
because she was distraught from her COVID nineteen diagnosis, which

956
00:45:57,559 --> 00:46:00,440
then we're also hearing that she had some on her

957
00:46:00,480 --> 00:46:02,519
hand that's seen in the video when she's leaving. She

958
00:46:02,599 --> 00:46:05,519
seems kind of despondent when she's leaving. So did she

959
00:46:05,559 --> 00:46:07,000
take the pills because that or did she take the

960
00:46:07,000 --> 00:46:09,519
pills because of something else? Right, This is kind of

961
00:46:09,559 --> 00:46:11,320
the unknowns that are occurring.

962
00:46:11,000 --> 00:46:13,599
Speaker 5: In circling back on what you had mentioned earlier. We

963
00:46:13,639 --> 00:46:16,480
have no inventory of the van was taken, we have

964
00:46:16,599 --> 00:46:21,559
inventory of her person. So somehow we are told that

965
00:46:21,719 --> 00:46:25,280
there's sixty pills missing, But is that a bottle that's missing.

966
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:27,639
If so, where's the bottle of pills or how do

967
00:46:27,719 --> 00:46:28,679
we get to this number?

968
00:46:29,199 --> 00:46:31,239
Speaker 2: And Yeah, if you're taking two a day, that's a

969
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:32,880
month's supply of medication.

970
00:46:33,280 --> 00:46:33,840
Speaker 4: That's a lot.

971
00:46:33,960 --> 00:46:36,119
Speaker 3: I think we're missing to keep We're probably missing the

972
00:46:36,199 --> 00:46:39,880
medical examiner's report because they would have examined the contents

973
00:46:39,960 --> 00:46:40,679
of her stomach.

974
00:46:41,199 --> 00:46:42,800
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I'm assuming you want to talk.

975
00:46:42,679 --> 00:46:44,719
Speaker 2: About what because you did the Foyer. You want to

976
00:46:44,760 --> 00:46:46,559
just tell the listeners what you got and what we

977
00:46:46,639 --> 00:46:47,159
didn't get.

978
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:50,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, So I requested the Foyer report through this part

979
00:46:50,480 --> 00:46:53,519
of Washington State has a system where you can request

980
00:46:53,559 --> 00:46:57,440
FOI reports from multiple different agencies through one request. Okay,

981
00:46:57,679 --> 00:47:03,400
So I requested this. I requested any document related to

982
00:47:03,840 --> 00:47:07,599
I supplied her full name and day to birth and

983
00:47:07,840 --> 00:47:11,639
a rough timeframe of what I gave, like a I

984
00:47:11,639 --> 00:47:15,360
think I tried like a week at least, like anything.

985
00:47:15,039 --> 00:47:17,000
Speaker 4: With her name from any department.

986
00:47:17,119 --> 00:47:20,559
Speaker 3: I requested any document from the departments that are represented

987
00:47:20,599 --> 00:47:23,519
by this system for Gwen Hasselquist.

988
00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:27,119
Speaker 2: So does that include DOT, the police department, fire department.

989
00:47:27,119 --> 00:47:29,880
Speaker 3: Medically, it would include anything that one of those police

990
00:47:29,880 --> 00:47:33,760
departments would have in their systems, so police report. I

991
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:37,440
don't know that a medical examiner's report would show up

992
00:47:37,480 --> 00:47:37,719
in that.

993
00:47:37,760 --> 00:47:38,199
Speaker 4: I don't OK.

994
00:47:38,639 --> 00:47:41,159
Speaker 3: That might be a different department that we would have

995
00:47:41,239 --> 00:47:43,639
to request that from. And I don't know if they

996
00:47:43,679 --> 00:47:44,519
released those or not.

997
00:47:44,920 --> 00:47:47,400
Speaker 5: Have you gotten denials from any of those or are

998
00:47:47,400 --> 00:47:48,360
you're just still waiting.

999
00:47:48,840 --> 00:47:49,480
Speaker 4: I'm still waiting.

1000
00:47:49,519 --> 00:47:51,920
Speaker 3: So this is all they supplied, and it took a while,

1001
00:47:51,920 --> 00:47:56,719
It took several weeks, and no explanation of this is

1002
00:47:56,760 --> 00:47:59,159
all you're getting or there could be more stuff or

1003
00:47:59,599 --> 00:48:01,679
just here you go. I got an email that said

1004
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,119
your request has been updated, and then I logged in

1005
00:48:04,159 --> 00:48:07,880
and this PDF was attached with no explanation or this

1006
00:48:07,920 --> 00:48:09,039
is all we're given you or anything.

1007
00:48:09,039 --> 00:48:10,920
Speaker 4: This was this is It was just like there.

1008
00:48:12,039 --> 00:48:14,960
Speaker 5: Well, there's certainly more information out there that I think

1009
00:48:15,159 --> 00:48:17,440
will go further to answer these questions. I mean, we

1010
00:48:17,519 --> 00:48:20,440
it talks about the fire and rescue arriving at the scene.

1011
00:48:20,480 --> 00:48:21,840
There should be some reports.

1012
00:48:21,880 --> 00:48:23,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, they'll have a report for a body recovery, one

1013
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:26,400
hundred percent. I did cold water rescue for the fire

1014
00:48:26,440 --> 00:48:28,599
department for a while. If we had a body recovery,

1015
00:48:28,599 --> 00:48:30,599
I would have had a lot of things to write.

1016
00:48:30,719 --> 00:48:33,480
Speaker 3: So I think another avenue that we should try is

1017
00:48:33,519 --> 00:48:37,840
maybe requesting a do a foyer request with the fire department. Yeah,

1018
00:48:37,840 --> 00:48:41,280
and maybe the I'll have to see if those departments

1019
00:48:41,320 --> 00:48:43,519
are even available to request if not I can go

1020
00:48:43,559 --> 00:48:48,199
through a different avenue, and probably the coroner's office absolutely, so.

1021
00:48:48,519 --> 00:48:49,760
Speaker 4: I think corner would be the biggest.

1022
00:48:49,760 --> 00:48:51,519
Speaker 2: I think a fire department would get more details in

1023
00:48:51,559 --> 00:48:54,079
what the body recovery was like and what their initial

1024
00:48:54,159 --> 00:48:55,960
read on the situation when they arrived on scene.

1025
00:48:56,039 --> 00:48:58,960
Speaker 3: And like the DOT we talked about the DOT cameras.

1026
00:48:59,000 --> 00:49:01,000
I can't remember it was either or a listener or

1027
00:49:01,119 --> 00:49:04,519
something I read, but basically said that in Washington State,

1028
00:49:05,119 --> 00:49:10,519
DOT cameras delete the footage after thirty days unless there's

1029
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:14,360
I believe a court order that requires them to pull

1030
00:49:14,400 --> 00:49:15,440
that footage and save it.

1031
00:49:15,559 --> 00:49:18,119
Speaker 2: So we might have to assume that that's been lost.

1032
00:49:18,440 --> 00:49:20,599
Speaker 3: We might have to assume that at the time of

1033
00:49:20,639 --> 00:49:23,519
this investigation, if it wasn't a criminal investigation, they may

1034
00:49:23,519 --> 00:49:24,760
not have had any reason to.

1035
00:49:25,519 --> 00:49:27,639
Speaker 2: Well, there's nothing in this report that's it, because they

1036
00:49:27,679 --> 00:49:30,119
noted when they save videos like this ring video save

1037
00:49:30,159 --> 00:49:32,719
to CD, they didn't know anything about DT cameras, at

1038
00:49:32,760 --> 00:49:34,239
least that I read. I'm gonna read through it again

1039
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:35,559
while we're going through it if I missed it.

1040
00:49:35,679 --> 00:49:35,880
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1041
00:49:36,440 --> 00:49:39,360
Speaker 3: A couple of people actually commented on our original episode

1042
00:49:39,360 --> 00:49:41,360
that live out there and this is a major bridge.

1043
00:49:41,400 --> 00:49:44,519
There's definitely cameras all over it, so okay, it would

1044
00:49:44,559 --> 00:49:48,239
have recorded the van going across the bridge and potentially

1045
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:51,039
hitting a guardrail or all that kind of stuff. There

1046
00:49:51,400 --> 00:49:54,639
was at some point video footage of whatever happened.

1047
00:49:55,199 --> 00:49:57,880
Speaker 2: This what's great about having lots of fans. They're like

1048
00:49:57,920 --> 00:49:59,719
everywhere they give us information. It's kind of nice.

1049
00:49:59,760 --> 00:50:02,159
Speaker 3: I know you need to anyone listening once this makes

1050
00:50:02,199 --> 00:50:04,360
it to Apple or Spotify, you gotta get on our

1051
00:50:04,360 --> 00:50:04,880
live stream.

1052
00:50:05,079 --> 00:50:08,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think, Mike, I think that footage is really key.

1053
00:50:08,960 --> 00:50:12,239
We talk about it's pretty apparent that the police did

1054
00:50:12,239 --> 00:50:14,760
not review that, and if there is footage that could

1055
00:50:14,840 --> 00:50:18,559
go a long way to one which of Dimitrius's stories

1056
00:50:18,599 --> 00:50:22,519
are accurate and what exactly happened. What the real value

1057
00:50:22,519 --> 00:50:24,400
I think in this police report is that we know

1058
00:50:25,159 --> 00:50:28,960
her death occurred at the bridge, right so nowhere it happened.

1059
00:50:29,320 --> 00:50:31,480
This is a busy bridge. It looks like there's a

1060
00:50:31,480 --> 00:50:35,000
toll road there there. If there's video footage that might

1061
00:50:35,199 --> 00:50:37,800
go a very long way to answering these questions that

1062
00:50:37,840 --> 00:50:38,239
we still have.

1063
00:50:38,440 --> 00:50:41,079
Speaker 3: And yeah, and if someone actually murdered her by pushing

1064
00:50:41,079 --> 00:50:43,840
her off the bridge and the vehicle that she was

1065
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:47,360
in was left there, and it's a toll bridge, that

1066
00:50:47,559 --> 00:50:50,679
means there's evidence or there at one point it may

1067
00:50:50,719 --> 00:50:51,360
be deleted.

1068
00:50:51,400 --> 00:50:54,079
Speaker 2: No, especially at that time of people like there's probably

1069
00:50:54,119 --> 00:50:55,519
video of the middle is going there.

1070
00:50:55,599 --> 00:50:58,559
Speaker 3: Yes, like so with her would have to leave who

1071
00:50:58,719 --> 00:51:02,119
you know if if you know air quotes, somebody pushed

1072
00:51:02,159 --> 00:51:04,719
her off the bridge, you've got to believe that there's

1073
00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:08,320
footage of somebody walking off the bridge, or if it's

1074
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:10,920
a toll booth, you gotta know that they're gonna have

1075
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,400
they take every time you go through that booth, like

1076
00:51:13,440 --> 00:51:14,480
at least in Illinois.

1077
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:17,039
Speaker 2: Well, let's assume they're on foot, because we're talking about

1078
00:51:17,039 --> 00:51:19,440
how we assumed he's a runner, there'd be a video

1079
00:51:19,480 --> 00:51:21,400
of even if you don't see the act of him

1080
00:51:21,760 --> 00:51:23,480
leaving the area on foot.

1081
00:51:23,519 --> 00:51:25,880
Speaker 3: Or even if he was in another car, you're gonna

1082
00:51:25,880 --> 00:51:27,639
see when they go through that toll booth, they take

1083
00:51:27,679 --> 00:51:30,360
a picture of the license plate and the person that

1084
00:51:30,679 --> 00:51:32,159
the two people in the front of the car.

1085
00:51:32,079 --> 00:51:34,079
Speaker 4: Will be on that picture. Yeah.

1086
00:51:34,159 --> 00:51:36,920
Speaker 3: So it's the only thing I can think of is

1087
00:51:37,760 --> 00:51:41,480
they weren't This wasn't a criminal investigation at the time,

1088
00:51:41,639 --> 00:51:46,079
so they just the evidence maybe at that time was suicide.

1089
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:50,360
And probably any police department is probably they've got a

1090
00:51:50,440 --> 00:51:51,760
lot of stuff they got to take care.

1091
00:51:51,679 --> 00:51:54,960
Speaker 2: Of, especially during COVID when everything's crazy.

1092
00:51:55,960 --> 00:51:56,159
Speaker 3: Yeah.

1093
00:51:56,159 --> 00:51:58,679
Speaker 2: And then medical examiner's like, all right, is she obviously

1094
00:51:58,760 --> 00:51:59,719
jumped off a bridge whatever?

1095
00:51:59,800 --> 00:52:02,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, Like and I'm not gonna look too much into this, Yeah,

1096
00:52:02,440 --> 00:52:04,519
and they just like, all right, it's a suicide. Let's

1097
00:52:05,360 --> 00:52:09,239
we can't spare detective time in hunting down dot footage

1098
00:52:09,280 --> 00:52:10,280
and toll.

1099
00:52:10,119 --> 00:52:12,639
Speaker 2: Booth Footageah, just we can't pass up on the idea

1100
00:52:12,639 --> 00:52:16,159
of what was going on at the time. Everything shut down.

1101
00:52:16,239 --> 00:52:19,440
Everyone's home, everyone's confused, everyone's scared, knowing like it's and

1102
00:52:19,480 --> 00:52:20,480
I mean, new pandemic.

1103
00:52:20,480 --> 00:52:21,679
Speaker 4: Everyone doesn't know what's happening.

1104
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:24,679
Speaker 3: If this would have been a criminal investigation from the start,

1105
00:52:25,199 --> 00:52:27,400
you would have detectives going house to house, but like, hey,

1106
00:52:27,400 --> 00:52:29,960
do you have any any any of you have ring cameras?

1107
00:52:29,960 --> 00:52:33,400
Do you have like a nest camera that watches your house,

1108
00:52:33,559 --> 00:52:36,079
like any kind of security footage that would have showed

1109
00:52:36,079 --> 00:52:39,480
the road so we could see like exactly when she left.

1110
00:52:40,199 --> 00:52:42,960
And I just think, yeah, probably they just weren't treating

1111
00:52:42,960 --> 00:52:45,960
this like a criminal investigation. They resources are limited, and

1112
00:52:46,000 --> 00:52:48,360
they're just like, yeah, suicide, all right, you know.

1113
00:52:48,519 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 4: Yeah, And I don't I don't know.

1114
00:52:50,079 --> 00:52:52,519
Speaker 3: I've been kind of trying to maintain the stream a

1115
00:52:52,519 --> 00:52:54,519
little here, but I don't know if you've gotten into

1116
00:52:54,599 --> 00:52:55,159
the final.

1117
00:52:55,639 --> 00:52:59,559
Speaker 2: Oh no'm they got a whole the whole last report

1118
00:52:59,639 --> 00:53:03,920
right here. So this one was on August twenty fifth,

1119
00:53:04,039 --> 00:53:06,559
twenty twenty, so this is a few months after the fact.

1120
00:53:07,039 --> 00:53:11,360
The synopsis is labeled as additional investigation. So this to

1121
00:53:11,440 --> 00:53:13,199
me and you'll see it at the end. But this

1122
00:53:13,280 --> 00:53:16,639
is obviously not necessarily sitting right with a detective, so

1123
00:53:16,679 --> 00:53:19,519
he wrote in the narrative. Please note for consideration that

1124
00:53:19,679 --> 00:53:22,840
during the course of this investigation, a number of family,

1125
00:53:22,920 --> 00:53:26,559
friends and citizens familiar with Gwendolynn came forward with concern

1126
00:53:26,639 --> 00:53:30,960
that her death was not an active suicide. In brief summation,

1127
00:53:31,760 --> 00:53:35,480
it was relayed to me that Gwen had recently confronted

1128
00:53:35,559 --> 00:53:38,360
her mother about historical sexual abuse as a child by

1129
00:53:38,360 --> 00:53:41,079
a male parental figure. So this is Gwen going to

1130
00:53:41,119 --> 00:53:44,480
her mom like she was potentially abused as a child herself.

1131
00:53:46,239 --> 00:53:48,559
She was known to be in therapy and was doing well.

1132
00:53:49,079 --> 00:53:52,840
Gwen was reforging old familial bonds, expressed a positive and

1133
00:53:52,920 --> 00:53:56,239
optimistic outlook in life, and was making plans for the future.

1134
00:53:56,519 --> 00:53:59,440
It was discussed that she would never abandon her children intentionally.

1135
00:53:59,800 --> 00:54:03,599
This is signs of somebody who would potentially not commit suicide.

1136
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:06,639
People that commit suicide start giving away their things. They're

1137
00:54:06,639 --> 00:54:08,920
obviously not planning what they're going to do in the future,

1138
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:10,559
if they don't expect there to be a future. It's

1139
00:54:10,559 --> 00:54:12,800
just those little red flags that you see of someone

1140
00:54:13,239 --> 00:54:15,199
when you see someone who actually commits suicide, and you

1141
00:54:15,320 --> 00:54:17,360
see that after the facts, yeah, they're like, oh yeah,

1142
00:54:17,360 --> 00:54:21,400
they started gifting their most prized things away. Like remember

1143
00:54:21,440 --> 00:54:22,880
in the last episode we said she would have left

1144
00:54:22,880 --> 00:54:25,920
a note. She was kind of like an artistic type person,

1145
00:54:26,039 --> 00:54:29,000
a very theatrical type person. It's very common for someone

1146
00:54:29,199 --> 00:54:31,400
especially like that with family to leave some sort of

1147
00:54:31,519 --> 00:54:34,400
note behind, and she didn't do any of these things

1148
00:54:34,440 --> 00:54:38,480
that would be considered quote unquote normal for someone who's

1149
00:54:38,519 --> 00:54:39,760
going to take their own life.

1150
00:54:40,119 --> 00:54:43,880
Speaker 5: And we have real what's it's a reforging old familiar bonds,

1151
00:54:43,920 --> 00:54:46,400
And you know what, that's interesting to me for a

1152
00:54:46,440 --> 00:54:48,360
couple of reasons. For in the first episode, we talked

1153
00:54:48,400 --> 00:54:52,639
about how the obituary doesn't speak of anyone who survived Quinn.

1154
00:54:52,840 --> 00:54:55,280
We weren't certain if she had family members that were

1155
00:54:55,639 --> 00:54:59,000
acting as advocates for her here, and it sounds like

1156
00:54:59,079 --> 00:55:01,599
she was making f working back to Oh.

1157
00:55:01,599 --> 00:55:02,960
Speaker 2: It sounds like she had a lot of friends and

1158
00:55:03,000 --> 00:55:06,880
family and they weren't mentioned by the husband in her obituary.

1159
00:55:07,599 --> 00:55:08,679
Speaker 5: Absolutely, why not?

1160
00:55:10,280 --> 00:55:13,280
Speaker 3: Now, Andy, I know it's been a few weeks since

1161
00:55:13,320 --> 00:55:15,960
our first episode. I know you're a lawyer, so you're

1162
00:55:16,000 --> 00:55:21,719
very careful and before Jove wraps this up, I'm we're

1163
00:55:21,760 --> 00:55:22,719
not close to being wrapped up.

1164
00:55:22,840 --> 00:55:25,239
Speaker 4: You're like rushing me here. No, sorry, sorry, look at

1165
00:55:25,239 --> 00:55:28,159
look at it. We have another whole page. Oh wow, yeah, do.

1166
00:55:28,159 --> 00:55:29,400
Speaker 2: You want to do you want to continue? Or do

1167
00:55:29,440 --> 00:55:30,119
you want me to wait?

1168
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:33,360
Speaker 3: I'll continue here. Okay, this is the first time I've

1169
00:55:34,079 --> 00:55:36,639
Joe in a while that this is your episode.

1170
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:41,559
Speaker 4: Yes, yeah, so or I've done the work. Yeah?

1171
00:55:41,599 --> 00:55:44,679
Speaker 3: But Andy, so is there any now that we have

1172
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:47,639
a police support and the suspicions we had in the

1173
00:55:47,639 --> 00:55:52,119
first episode are kind of I this police report and

1174
00:55:52,159 --> 00:55:54,360
we haven't even gotten to the good part yet. But

1175
00:55:54,639 --> 00:55:58,360
this doesn't make me any like my suspicion from the

1176
00:55:58,400 --> 00:56:02,360
first episode, I'm not any less convinced. Is there any

1177
00:56:02,360 --> 00:56:06,079
information from your sources who obviously you can't name. Is

1178
00:56:06,119 --> 00:56:09,719
there any information that you can tell us. I know

1179
00:56:09,760 --> 00:56:12,800
you've told us stuff offline, but anything you can tell

1180
00:56:12,880 --> 00:56:16,000
us that when you first were told about this case,

1181
00:56:16,039 --> 00:56:18,159
that you can mention now that this police reports out

1182
00:56:18,159 --> 00:56:21,599
here that you know, like friends and family of her

1183
00:56:21,639 --> 00:56:24,440
were concerned about something, something the fairy has happened, and

1184
00:56:25,679 --> 00:56:28,280
is there anything you can kind of share along those lines.

1185
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:30,840
Speaker 5: Well, So, I think there's a lot of places in

1186
00:56:30,880 --> 00:56:33,800
this police report that kind of confirm things that had

1187
00:56:33,800 --> 00:56:36,880
been relayed to me or thought processes that we had

1188
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:39,639
either discussed in the first episode or thinking through. And

1189
00:56:39,719 --> 00:56:43,280
one of them is this reforging the familial bonds statement,

1190
00:56:43,480 --> 00:56:45,800
and the other is that these people reaching out with

1191
00:56:45,880 --> 00:56:48,719
concern for what happened. And really, what I think it

1192
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:50,960
does is hit the nail on the head that there's

1193
00:56:51,079 --> 00:56:54,639
questions here and people at least notice these questions and

1194
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:56,679
had concerns about them. And I think one of the

1195
00:56:56,719 --> 00:56:59,119
things that we had talked about in the last episode

1196
00:56:59,199 --> 00:57:02,760
was what information had the police looked at? Did they

1197
00:57:02,840 --> 00:57:05,960
know anything after the fact? Yeah, with the marriage, the

1198
00:57:06,039 --> 00:57:08,760
posts about finding a woman and leaving the country, and

1199
00:57:08,800 --> 00:57:11,159
now we know that there's some of that there and

1200
00:57:11,480 --> 00:57:14,199
was Joe's going to continue here the police have some

1201
00:57:14,280 --> 00:57:14,840
red flakes.

1202
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:17,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and he's opening this on the twenty fifth of August,

1203
00:57:17,599 --> 00:57:19,440
so it's clearly in the back of his head at

1204
00:57:19,519 --> 00:57:22,519
least or information has been coming in over time. And

1205
00:57:22,599 --> 00:57:24,840
maybe it's again you talked about like the first forty

1206
00:57:24,840 --> 00:57:27,320
eight like this is long pass when this occurred, so

1207
00:57:27,360 --> 00:57:30,599
he's already behind the gun when it comes to investigating this.

1208
00:57:30,679 --> 00:57:32,639
So it's more like I have to put this out there,

1209
00:57:32,679 --> 00:57:35,079
almost like a conscience type thing, like this could be

1210
00:57:35,159 --> 00:57:39,079
something more than just that, So I'll continue. And this

1211
00:57:39,119 --> 00:57:41,320
is after it said she would never hear abandon her

1212
00:57:41,400 --> 00:57:43,880
children intentionally. I'm assuming this is words coming from her

1213
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:47,559
mother or friends or family. Additionally, it was relayed that

1214
00:57:47,639 --> 00:57:51,559
Gwen's husband, Eric hassequist, has a concerning history, and has

1215
00:57:51,639 --> 00:57:55,400
acted strangely since Gwen's death. He was described as an alcoholic.

1216
00:57:55,920 --> 00:57:59,119
I located local history of a DV related issue where

1217
00:57:59,239 --> 00:58:04,440
Eric had allegedly assaulted Gwen after he'd been making sudicidal

1218
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:08,639
ideations while they lived on a JB. LM Military Installation.

1219
00:58:10,119 --> 00:58:11,239
Eric had insisted that.

1220
00:58:12,800 --> 00:58:15,039
Speaker 5: Just so this there's a couple of things here that

1221
00:58:15,280 --> 00:58:18,239
just really jump out, and it's more coincidence things, but

1222
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:21,679
also it affects the bigger picture that we're looking at here.

1223
00:58:21,679 --> 00:58:25,519
In one, we're talking about a domestic violence incident in

1224
00:58:25,559 --> 00:58:28,800
the past, right that that seems to be something that

1225
00:58:29,239 --> 00:58:33,159
would be concerning at least looking at the whole circumstances here. Second,

1226
00:58:33,599 --> 00:58:38,159
the domestic violent situation happened after Eric was having suicidal thoughts,

1227
00:58:38,719 --> 00:58:41,119
which I don't know the status.

1228
00:58:41,159 --> 00:58:43,039
Speaker 2: He's not the nice guy, is making himself out.

1229
00:58:42,920 --> 00:58:46,519
Speaker 5: To be right. And then when we're talking about suicidal

1230
00:58:46,599 --> 00:58:51,519
tendencies between a couple, both him and her, apparently where

1231
00:58:51,599 --> 00:58:54,719
her friends are saying that, now this isn't Gwenn. She's

1232
00:58:54,760 --> 00:58:57,760
not suicidal. She would never commit suicide and leave her kids.

1233
00:58:57,800 --> 00:59:00,360
And we now have information that he may have been

1234
00:59:00,360 --> 00:59:03,199
suicidal or at least in the past. Struggled struggled with that.

1235
00:59:05,079 --> 00:59:09,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, so okay, I'll go on. Eric had insisted that

1236
00:59:09,800 --> 00:59:13,639
Gwen was despondent over what he assured was a positive

1237
00:59:13,679 --> 00:59:17,639
COVID nineteen diagnosis and was therefore driven to suicide in

1238
00:59:17,679 --> 00:59:21,199
the days that follows, a family pet died, and Eric

1239
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:23,599
was quick to explain on social media that this pet

1240
00:59:23,679 --> 00:59:25,199
was also taken by COVID.

1241
00:59:25,280 --> 00:59:25,719
Speaker 4: Nineteen.

1242
00:59:26,480 --> 00:59:29,320
Speaker 2: Eric began isolating the children from Gun's family and friends.

1243
00:59:29,719 --> 00:59:33,159
That is a bombshell to me. He's just blaming everything

1244
00:59:33,199 --> 00:59:36,559
on COVID. She got COVID, so she committed suicide. And

1245
00:59:36,559 --> 00:59:39,559
then a pet died, but it was also COVID. But

1246
00:59:39,719 --> 00:59:41,559
he didn't get COVID and the kids didn't get COVID.

1247
00:59:42,320 --> 00:59:47,639
That is that's pure insanity. That is again confirming my bias.

1248
00:59:47,960 --> 00:59:51,039
You know again, I might be too biased, but we

1249
00:59:51,159 --> 00:59:53,920
now know that pets don't get in or No, there's

1250
00:59:53,960 --> 00:59:56,239
a couple of animals that got COVID. There's like a

1251
00:59:56,280 --> 00:59:57,199
zoo animal.

1252
00:59:56,920 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 4: That got it. No, I think the animals can get

1253
00:59:59,800 --> 01:00:02,840
cod okay, but this this was early COVID. We didn't

1254
01:00:02,840 --> 01:00:03,320
know that yet.

1255
01:00:03,519 --> 01:00:05,599
Speaker 2: He's like, yeah, yeah, this pet died of COVID too,

1256
01:00:05,599 --> 01:00:07,760
and so did my wife and she commits was everything's

1257
01:00:07,800 --> 01:00:10,599
COVID related, and it's almost like everyone's scared of COVID.

1258
01:00:10,639 --> 01:00:12,840
I can blame COVID and I'll be okay. That's what

1259
01:00:12,840 --> 01:00:15,519
it seems like to me. Blame COVID on everything that's

1260
01:00:15,519 --> 01:00:18,159
going wrong, and I'm actually the good guy here.

1261
01:00:18,400 --> 01:00:20,679
Speaker 5: Yeah, in the timing on this, I don't exactly know

1262
01:00:20,719 --> 01:00:24,519
when the family pet died. But if you recall back

1263
01:00:24,559 --> 01:00:27,480
to the early days of COVID and tests weren't available

1264
01:00:27,519 --> 01:00:30,039
for humans, right, So, yeah, how are you know? How

1265
01:00:30,079 --> 01:00:33,280
are you knowing that your dog passed away from having COVID.

1266
01:00:33,360 --> 01:00:34,960
Speaker 2: Well, I don't think they know of any pets that

1267
01:00:34,960 --> 01:00:35,800
have died from COVID.

1268
01:00:36,159 --> 01:00:37,440
Speaker 4: I haven't seen anything anything.

1269
01:00:37,440 --> 01:00:38,519
Speaker 2: I haven't seen any of that.

1270
01:00:38,679 --> 01:00:41,239
Speaker 5: And then the other thing here that we discussed in

1271
01:00:41,280 --> 01:00:44,360
part one is that the theory now we know that

1272
01:00:44,480 --> 01:00:47,239
Gwynn was jumped off the bridge, or fell off the bridge,

1273
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:49,880
or was pushed off the bridge, but the theory is

1274
01:00:49,920 --> 01:00:53,719
that she was suicidal after being diagnosed with COVID. And

1275
01:00:54,119 --> 01:00:58,079
in my mind, this would be massive national media news

1276
01:00:58,199 --> 01:00:59,760
if that actually.

1277
01:00:59,679 --> 01:01:03,400
Speaker 2: Yes, if someone committed suicide because they had COVID and

1278
01:01:03,440 --> 01:01:05,679
it was one of the first, what three hundred COVID

1279
01:01:05,719 --> 01:01:09,400
cases in the entire country, Yeah, that'd be huge news

1280
01:01:09,840 --> 01:01:11,519
and it's not for some reason, right.

1281
01:01:11,679 --> 01:01:14,840
Speaker 5: And reading between the lines, I think it seems clear

1282
01:01:14,880 --> 01:01:19,360
here that the police are very skeptical of this COVID diagnosis.

1283
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:22,119
Speaker 2: Well, and there's mention of social media posts in his

1284
01:01:22,199 --> 01:01:24,639
report that no longer exists. So he's clear to social media,

1285
01:01:24,719 --> 01:01:28,480
not just the video apparently of an animal's death, diagnosis

1286
01:01:28,519 --> 01:01:30,559
and things like that that are It seems like he's

1287
01:01:30,559 --> 01:01:33,760
deleting damning evidence that makes him look wrong, because there's

1288
01:01:33,760 --> 01:01:35,960
certain things that he's left up. There's certain things that

1289
01:01:36,000 --> 01:01:37,519
have come down. All the things that have come down

1290
01:01:37,519 --> 01:01:39,719
have been things that could potentially prove that this wasn't

1291
01:01:39,719 --> 01:01:43,119
a suicide as far as I'm concerned. So Eric continues

1292
01:01:43,159 --> 01:01:46,320
to post his feelings and memoirs of Gwen on social media. However,

1293
01:01:46,400 --> 01:01:49,360
on five point thirty of twenty twenty, Eric posts on

1294
01:01:49,400 --> 01:01:50,639
Instagram that he was ready to.

1295
01:01:50,599 --> 01:01:51,320
Speaker 4: Meet a new woman.

1296
01:01:51,920 --> 01:01:55,239
Speaker 2: By six' nine of, TWENTY i was, Provided.

1297
01:01:54,960 --> 01:02:02,079
Speaker 4: Ah DO i have the wrong? SHEET a YouTube? Blank?

1298
01:02:02,679 --> 01:02:03,960
OH i THINK i missed the whole thing.

1299
01:02:04,000 --> 01:02:08,480
Speaker 5: Here, no that's, correct it. Says eric continued to post

1300
01:02:08,519 --> 01:02:11,360
his feelings in memories Of gwenn on social. Media, yeah

1301
01:02:11,360 --> 01:02:11,559
there it.

1302
01:02:11,559 --> 01:02:14,559
Speaker 2: Goes however you have, It, Yep i'm on the right.

1303
01:02:14,599 --> 01:02:16,039
PEAT i had one sheet out of order THAT i

1304
01:02:16,079 --> 01:02:17,639
missed some. Stuff So i'll go through to a minute

1305
01:02:17,719 --> 01:02:19,880
just to make SURE i didn't miss anything. Important it's

1306
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:22,199
a YouTube blank AND i checked the YouTube blank and

1307
01:02:22,239 --> 01:02:24,320
it doesn't work anymore. Too the video has been made

1308
01:02:24,360 --> 01:02:27,239
private of his marriage to A kenyan woman that he

1309
01:02:27,840 --> 01:02:30,159
was said to have met only a couple weeks. Prior

1310
01:02:30,239 --> 01:02:33,320
Subsequent instagram posts show His kenyan bride hugging an expensive

1311
01:02:33,360 --> 01:02:37,480
New mercedes. Vehicle though, unusual these documented circumstances do not

1312
01:02:37,519 --> 01:02:41,719
readily identify any over malicious intent Behind gwen's. Passing, however

1313
01:02:41,760 --> 01:02:45,519
they do present cause for consideration those with opinions about

1314
01:02:45,519 --> 01:02:46,719
the welfare gwen surviving.

1315
01:02:46,800 --> 01:02:48,840
Speaker 4: Children WHERE i encourage your reports are concerns of local.

1316
01:02:48,880 --> 01:02:52,559
Speaker 2: Cps so that Was Detective christiansen's last, report like he's

1317
01:02:52,639 --> 01:02:55,320
not convinced that this is not or this is just a.

1318
01:02:55,360 --> 01:02:57,239
Speaker 4: Suicide as far As i'm concerned.

1319
01:02:56,960 --> 01:02:59,840
Speaker 5: In, THIS i think right, here this is almost a

1320
01:03:00,119 --> 01:03:04,639
summary of our part one of the. Episode right this is, saying,

1321
01:03:04,679 --> 01:03:06,920
hey there's a lot of questions out, there there's a

1322
01:03:06,920 --> 01:03:09,880
lot of strange things. Happening people are, concerned and if

1323
01:03:09,920 --> 01:03:13,400
anyone has, information we're encouraging them to come. Forward and

1324
01:03:13,440 --> 01:03:15,960
that's hitting all the points that we had previously.

1325
01:03:16,000 --> 01:03:21,239
Speaker 4: Discussed, yeah so here's the. Deal What i'm gonna do

1326
01:03:21,400 --> 01:03:22,639
is so that that's the whole.

1327
01:03:22,639 --> 01:03:24,519
Speaker 2: REPORT i did miss a couple of, things but it

1328
01:03:24,599 --> 01:03:26,840
was just more in depth description of what was going.

1329
01:03:26,880 --> 01:03:29,159
On so for those, Listening i'll kind of describe. It

1330
01:03:29,199 --> 01:03:31,360
But i'm gonna. SHARE i put together a little bit

1331
01:03:31,480 --> 01:03:35,280
of A Google earth image of kind of what we're

1332
01:03:35,320 --> 01:03:36,719
looking at. Here So i'm gonna pull this.

1333
01:03:36,840 --> 01:03:43,920
Speaker 4: Up let me open this. Thing can you see my?

1334
01:03:44,000 --> 01:03:45,000
Screen is it? Showing?

1335
01:03:45,480 --> 01:03:47,559
Speaker 2: Yes, okay, cool so you'll see kind of going Into.

1336
01:03:47,559 --> 01:03:51,199
Google So i'm zooming into Gig harbor And washington.

1337
01:03:51,280 --> 01:03:53,079
Speaker 4: Here what there we? Go you got?

1338
01:03:53,119 --> 01:03:53,280
Speaker 3: It.

1339
01:03:53,360 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 2: Okay so what we have in Gig harbor is we

1340
01:03:57,360 --> 01:03:58,519
start At gwen.

1341
01:03:58,400 --> 01:03:59,280
Speaker 4: And eric's home.

1342
01:04:00,880 --> 01:04:02,360
Speaker 1: In let's see IF i can zoom.

1343
01:04:02,360 --> 01:04:04,719
Speaker 2: Inn this is all new this is new tech where

1344
01:04:04,760 --> 01:04:07,320
we're trying out, here so we see their house over.

1345
01:04:07,360 --> 01:04:10,199
Here she apparently left in the middle of the night

1346
01:04:10,599 --> 01:04:13,519
or apparently and then came, back but she didn't according To,

1347
01:04:13,639 --> 01:04:15,920
eric because it doesn't all make. Sense, yeah she drove

1348
01:04:16,039 --> 01:04:20,559
all the way Around Henderson bay on To highway, sixteen

1349
01:04:20,599 --> 01:04:23,079
it looks, like which ends up going on this. Bridge

1350
01:04:23,079 --> 01:04:27,599
So i've located the minivan was, midbridge mid span on this.

1351
01:04:27,760 --> 01:04:30,400
Speaker 4: Bridge it's a pretty big. Bridge, yeah so.

1352
01:04:30,519 --> 01:04:33,719
Speaker 2: Yep you could commit suicide off that thing and then

1353
01:04:33,880 --> 01:04:36,440
her body was not found until the next, day floated

1354
01:04:36,480 --> 01:04:41,400
this way right. Down, actually it was pretty far away

1355
01:04:41,599 --> 01:04:45,639
where she was found here right, Here So march, twentieth

1356
01:04:45,639 --> 01:04:50,599
her body was found right here AT i don't have

1357
01:04:50,639 --> 01:04:53,199
the address in, here but it's basically a kayaker on the.

1358
01:04:53,199 --> 01:04:55,119
Harbor there is like one harbor drive or.

1359
01:04:55,159 --> 01:04:56,719
Speaker 4: Whatever so those are the three.

1360
01:04:56,760 --> 01:05:02,400
Speaker 2: Areas the question really is can somebody make it from

1361
01:05:02,400 --> 01:05:09,039
that bridge back to the, house because arguably the most

1362
01:05:09,320 --> 01:05:15,840
realistic scenario is that somebody drove from here their home

1363
01:05:16,960 --> 01:05:20,280
up To highway sixteen to the. Bridge i'm assuming she

1364
01:05:20,400 --> 01:05:22,559
was pushed off that bridge and then he made his

1365
01:05:22,599 --> 01:05:23,400
way back to his.

1366
01:05:23,360 --> 01:05:27,840
Speaker 4: House with sixty antidepressants in your.

1367
01:05:27,880 --> 01:05:31,559
Speaker 2: System that's the husband is saying that those sixty antipressants are.

1368
01:05:31,599 --> 01:05:34,519
Speaker 5: Missing, well but we do have the video of her

1369
01:05:34,880 --> 01:05:39,639
leaving the house allegedly coming. Back but now we know the,

1370
01:05:39,679 --> 01:05:42,000
addresses you know the, location we know that it was the.

1371
01:05:42,000 --> 01:05:45,559
Bridge this is a sixteen mile drive from her home

1372
01:05:45,679 --> 01:05:49,079
to the bridge in the, video if you, know if

1373
01:05:49,079 --> 01:05:51,039
it's a video of, anything it's a video of her

1374
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:54,079
being unable to put the, key her key into the

1375
01:05:54,079 --> 01:05:58,960
lock of her. House this is it's unbelievable, that in that,

1376
01:05:59,639 --> 01:06:02,519
situation in her state at the, time being able to

1377
01:06:02,599 --> 01:06:06,960
drive sixteen miles without crashing, anything apparently to getting to the.

1378
01:06:06,880 --> 01:06:09,239
Speaker 4: Bridge until the bridge And, Okay i'll Play devil's.

1379
01:06:09,280 --> 01:06:13,239
Speaker 2: Advocate if she's driving to the bridge to jump off

1380
01:06:13,280 --> 01:06:17,280
of it because she's so, upset SHE'S covid. Nineteen maybe

1381
01:06:17,280 --> 01:06:21,119
she crashes there because she's parking the. Car let's assume

1382
01:06:21,159 --> 01:06:26,320
that that's the. CASE i JUST i don't understand the

1383
01:06:26,320 --> 01:06:31,639
story of her driving there to commit suicide when she's

1384
01:06:31,760 --> 01:06:37,199
leaving the home potentially rattled with, injuries and then her

1385
01:06:37,320 --> 01:06:41,760
husband's lying about where she's. At it seems like he

1386
01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:44,039
knows what's really going. On he's lying to the, police

1387
01:06:44,199 --> 01:06:46,639
getting caught in a, lie posting social media to almost

1388
01:06:46,679 --> 01:06:49,360
shore up his, story deleting the things that don't make,

1389
01:06:49,400 --> 01:06:52,840
sense like if she committed, suicide this is pretty clear.

1390
01:06:52,880 --> 01:06:54,719
Cut he can say we got in a. Fight he

1391
01:06:54,760 --> 01:06:57,239
could even SAY i hit, HER i did something, wrong

1392
01:06:57,239 --> 01:07:00,679
and then she took off and that's. It that's a

1393
01:07:00,800 --> 01:07:03,199
very you, Know i'm not saying this is okay at any.

1394
01:07:03,239 --> 01:07:05,320
MEANS i don't want anyone to Think i'm being apologetic

1395
01:07:05,320 --> 01:07:08,519
towards someone who's an. Abuser but if you're gonna lie

1396
01:07:08,559 --> 01:07:11,000
about something and make it make, sense that's a really

1397
01:07:11,079 --> 01:07:12,599
normal story to, say, like, yeah we got in a,

1398
01:07:12,639 --> 01:07:15,800
FIGHT i Have i'm an, ALCOHOLIC i was. DRUNK i hit,

1399
01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:19,559
her she was, upset she potentially A. Covid she took

1400
01:07:19,599 --> 01:07:21,639
the van and ran, away AND i don't know where she. Is,

1401
01:07:22,000 --> 01:07:25,519
yeah to, me that's a more believable. Story and that's

1402
01:07:25,519 --> 01:07:28,519
What i'm not seeing, here is That i'm not getting.

1403
01:07:28,519 --> 01:07:31,039
That were you able to see my screen in the?

1404
01:07:31,039 --> 01:07:33,920
STREAM i turned it? Off oh, okay you turned it,

1405
01:07:33,920 --> 01:07:36,880
okay but you flipped the toggle to maybe, okay that's

1406
01:07:36,920 --> 01:07:38,119
WHAT i just looked down, there And i'm, like, OH

1407
01:07:38,119 --> 01:07:39,440
i HOPE i didn't just go through that known.

1408
01:07:39,480 --> 01:07:41,599
Speaker 5: SIDE i think, You, JOE i think you were onto

1409
01:07:42,000 --> 01:07:44,280
a train of thought here before we kind of switch.

1410
01:07:44,360 --> 01:07:47,079
Gear so you were saying you're working on the assumption

1411
01:07:47,239 --> 01:07:50,880
that she's pushed off the bridge and we're sixteen miles.

1412
01:07:50,920 --> 01:07:52,119
Away where were you going with.

1413
01:07:52,159 --> 01:07:55,440
Speaker 2: THAT i just like it was talked about AND i

1414
01:07:55,480 --> 01:07:58,039
think you'd brought it up that some family member or

1415
01:07:58,079 --> 01:08:00,480
friend and we're not going to reveal source all this.

1416
01:08:00,559 --> 01:08:02,280
Is AND i want to remind, people like the reason

1417
01:08:02,280 --> 01:08:03,760
the story got brought to us because you have a

1418
01:08:03,800 --> 01:08:06,559
personal connection with people who are very close to. This

1419
01:08:06,559 --> 01:08:09,679
this isn't like fourth hand fifth. Hand there's a connection

1420
01:08:09,760 --> 01:08:12,360
there and That i'll leave it at. That but the

1421
01:08:12,480 --> 01:08:14,800
idea that he was a, runner the idea of the

1422
01:08:14,840 --> 01:08:18,159
distances seemed very. Doable as far as if we're going

1423
01:08:18,199 --> 01:08:20,600
to the assumption that he was actually in the van

1424
01:08:20,680 --> 01:08:24,119
with her or something occurred they got to the, bridge that,

1425
01:08:24,239 --> 01:08:27,359
occurred and then he made his way back to the.

1426
01:08:27,399 --> 01:08:30,399
HOUSE i feel like that's a very possible thing because

1427
01:08:30,439 --> 01:08:32,760
we don't know when the van actually got. There there

1428
01:08:32,840 --> 01:08:35,159
was a couple hours from when the van was reported

1429
01:08:35,680 --> 01:08:41,439
to when that ring video, occurred, essentially SO i would

1430
01:08:41,560 --> 01:08:45,000
argue somebody could have left home with her in the

1431
01:08:45,079 --> 01:08:49,680
van crashing the. Wall if they're, fighting she gets pushed

1432
01:08:49,680 --> 01:08:51,880
off the, bridge and that person makes it back home

1433
01:08:51,960 --> 01:08:55,840
by on, foot potentially in the time that when THE

1434
01:08:55,880 --> 01:08:58,479
pd showed up on seeing it actually Contacted. ERIC i

1435
01:08:58,479 --> 01:08:59,359
think that is very.

1436
01:08:59,359 --> 01:09:02,880
Speaker 5: PLAUSIBLE i tend to agree with that sort of a.

1437
01:09:02,960 --> 01:09:05,880
Theory and what we know here is that he was a.

1438
01:09:05,920 --> 01:09:09,000
Runner there's a lot of posts online about him being a,

1439
01:09:09,039 --> 01:09:13,000
runner running. Marathons and really the situation is we have these.

1440
01:09:13,039 --> 01:09:16,640
Theories we have three or four theories on stories that,

1441
01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:20,199
happened either from him directly or from the police. Report

1442
01:09:20,239 --> 01:09:22,520
and you look at what would make sense. Here and

1443
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:25,359
so if we Believe demitrius's story that there's a third

1444
01:09:25,399 --> 01:09:28,239
person in the, vehicle, well what happened to that third? Person?

1445
01:09:28,319 --> 01:09:31,319
Right maybe there's dot footage that can show, this but,

1446
01:09:32,239 --> 01:09:36,720
really if you're positing options, here that person needed to

1447
01:09:36,840 --> 01:09:37,439
leave the.

1448
01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:40,239
Speaker 3: Bridge the QUESTION i have, too, is, though what is

1449
01:09:40,319 --> 01:09:42,800
his motivation to say there is a third? Person you,

1450
01:09:42,840 --> 01:09:44,640
know like we've talked that he was an, alcoholic he

1451
01:09:44,680 --> 01:09:47,880
had mental, issues maybe a drug, addict to. Whatever what

1452
01:09:48,119 --> 01:09:52,439
would be the motivation for him to say there's a

1453
01:09:52,479 --> 01:09:53,560
third person even in the.

1454
01:09:53,600 --> 01:09:56,800
Speaker 2: CAR i would argue there's motivation to not say there's another.

1455
01:09:56,840 --> 01:09:58,600
Person if you're trying to go and, say, oh she

1456
01:09:58,720 --> 01:10:01,199
gifted me this, car just her or me saying there's

1457
01:10:01,199 --> 01:10:04,640
another person there would just muddy the waters for that. Individual, now,

1458
01:10:04,920 --> 01:10:06,479
again we can't assume he was thinking.

1459
01:10:06,520 --> 01:10:09,680
Speaker 3: Clearly and the other question is if there's a third

1460
01:10:09,720 --> 01:10:12,479
person in the. Car If i'm a third person in

1461
01:10:12,520 --> 01:10:15,800
the car and the car is being, Carjacked i'm gonna

1462
01:10:15,960 --> 01:10:17,720
Maybe i'm gonna try and stop. It maybe, Not but

1463
01:10:18,399 --> 01:10:21,319
that just seems it seems like a detail of the

1464
01:10:21,359 --> 01:10:25,760
story THAT i don't understand why, someone even a drug

1465
01:10:25,800 --> 01:10:28,439
addict or an alcoholic or someone with mental issues would

1466
01:10:28,479 --> 01:10:31,359
make that, Up, like why would they even think? That

1467
01:10:31,800 --> 01:10:34,920
like their story already is crazy enough that this lady

1468
01:10:35,000 --> 01:10:38,479
drove out onto this, bridge crashed your, car was gonna

1469
01:10:38,520 --> 01:10:40,720
jump off and commit, suicide and like just gifted her

1470
01:10:40,760 --> 01:10:44,119
car to. Him, yeah like and and there was.

1471
01:10:44,079 --> 01:10:45,760
Speaker 4: A third person in the. Car that just doesn't make.

1472
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:48,439
Speaker 2: Sense, yeah there's there's no benefit to saying that last.

1473
01:10:48,479 --> 01:10:52,039
Parts there's no reason to include. That if you're a crazy,

1474
01:10:52,039 --> 01:10:54,479
person why would you just make Up there's more people.

1475
01:10:54,279 --> 01:10:57,720
Speaker 4: In my head THAT i feel Like demetrius was telling the.

1476
01:10:57,760 --> 01:11:00,680
Speaker 2: Truth like that's where you get those little nuggets of

1477
01:11:00,680 --> 01:11:02,560
truth that we talked, about like those little like he

1478
01:11:02,600 --> 01:11:05,479
could be like a mental, Paid like we've all interacted

1479
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:07,720
with homeless, people and they'll say anything to get like

1480
01:11:07,760 --> 01:11:10,399
what they. Want but there's certain things that are unnecessary

1481
01:11:10,399 --> 01:11:10,760
to lie.

1482
01:11:10,760 --> 01:11:11,920
Speaker 4: About, yeah and.

1483
01:11:11,880 --> 01:11:13,720
Speaker 2: That's where you find those little nuggets of truth in.

1484
01:11:13,760 --> 01:11:15,560
There and THAT'S i agree with you on. That there's

1485
01:11:15,600 --> 01:11:17,079
no reason to just, say, OH i think there was

1486
01:11:17,119 --> 01:11:18,680
another person. THERE i didn't get a good look at,

1487
01:11:18,720 --> 01:11:20,279
Him but there's no reason to say.

1488
01:11:20,279 --> 01:11:22,239
Speaker 4: That and why would He, yeah why would he even say?

1489
01:11:22,239 --> 01:11:26,079
Speaker 3: That so to, me that little nugget of information in

1490
01:11:26,119 --> 01:11:28,279
the police support that we talked about, earlier where he

1491
01:11:28,359 --> 01:11:31,199
mentioned a third person in the, CAR i feel like

1492
01:11:31,239 --> 01:11:34,359
he's telling the truth, because, hey, there he's already telling

1493
01:11:34,399 --> 01:11:36,399
a crazy story about the car like getting gifted to.

1494
01:11:36,439 --> 01:11:41,560
Him there's no motivation for him to, LIKE i Don't

1495
01:11:41,640 --> 01:11:43,760
i'm trying to run through all the different angles of

1496
01:11:43,800 --> 01:11:45,479
why you would say there's a third person in the,

1497
01:11:45,479 --> 01:11:48,079
car and none of them get me To i'm not

1498
01:11:48,159 --> 01:11:50,960
going to get arrested for stealing a. Car, Yeah SO

1499
01:11:51,119 --> 01:11:53,399
i don't know why he would even bring that. Up if,

1500
01:11:53,439 --> 01:11:57,960
anything a moment of honesty and it just slipped when he, Said,

1501
01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:00,239
hey there was a third person in the. Car, yeah

1502
01:12:00,359 --> 01:12:03,880
that seems more plausible than him making it up for

1503
01:12:03,920 --> 01:12:04,520
some unknown.

1504
01:12:04,560 --> 01:12:08,720
Speaker 2: Reason, well and the professional in the page opened up

1505
01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:12,439
a whole nother report late months later because he's getting

1506
01:12:12,479 --> 01:12:15,640
reports from family members saying that loved ones and friends

1507
01:12:16,199 --> 01:12:19,439
are throwing shade on this whole, story and something's.

1508
01:12:19,119 --> 01:12:19,800
Speaker 4: Not sitting right with.

1509
01:12:19,880 --> 01:12:22,720
Speaker 2: Him, yeah like the only thing, like, yeah we got

1510
01:12:22,720 --> 01:12:24,600
a medicals report that, says, oh it was, suicide but

1511
01:12:24,640 --> 01:12:26,119
they're going off of the information they.

1512
01:12:26,119 --> 01:12:28,079
Speaker 4: Have i'm if she.

1513
01:12:28,079 --> 01:12:29,880
Speaker 2: Got to push off a, bridge like, yeah that would kill.

1514
01:12:29,920 --> 01:12:32,760
Her so if your whole story is she took these,

1515
01:12:32,800 --> 01:12:36,479
benzos she was just like distraught in the. Jumped that's

1516
01:12:36,520 --> 01:12:38,560
a normal story as an emmy if you get a

1517
01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:40,720
report and you're, like, yeah that's Perfectly, yeah she died

1518
01:12:40,720 --> 01:12:42,800
from the fall and it was probably. Suicide, yeah not

1519
01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:45,279
knowing all the details or even the information, Later SO

1520
01:12:45,319 --> 01:12:46,880
i don't even put like blame on like oh he

1521
01:12:46,960 --> 01:12:48,520
ruled it a. SUICIDE i look at that as just,

1522
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:52,000
yeah she died from a fall off the. Bridge, yeah

1523
01:12:52,039 --> 01:12:53,439
but did she jump off the?

1524
01:12:53,479 --> 01:12:54,359
Speaker 4: BRIDGE i don't think.

1525
01:12:54,359 --> 01:12:57,560
Speaker 5: So. Well the third person thing is interesting to me

1526
01:12:57,640 --> 01:13:02,079
because the report reads that this is almost written. Off

1527
01:13:02,119 --> 01:13:05,640
there's no description provided maybe and Maybe demetrius wasn't able

1528
01:13:05,720 --> 01:13:08,479
to do, That but why wasn't this kind of a

1529
01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:11,439
bigger piece of the puzzle that they're looking. At we

1530
01:13:11,560 --> 01:13:14,079
backed into this, story so we knew that she had

1531
01:13:14,079 --> 01:13:18,159
passed away and that it was purportedly. Suicide but the

1532
01:13:18,159 --> 01:13:20,600
police show up at the scene of the. Accident the

1533
01:13:20,640 --> 01:13:23,319
owner of a vehicle is. Missing there's some person reaching

1534
01:13:23,319 --> 01:13:25,840
into the. Vehicle he, says there was a third person

1535
01:13:25,880 --> 01:13:29,720
in the. Car that seems like a very unique set

1536
01:13:29,760 --> 01:13:33,359
of circumstances that would spur some more follow up than

1537
01:13:33,399 --> 01:13:34,520
what we see on that third.

1538
01:13:34,520 --> 01:13:39,680
Speaker 2: Person so, Curious and is A covid nineteen diagnosis really

1539
01:13:39,760 --> 01:13:42,960
the trigger that made her commit? Suicide like that's kind

1540
01:13:43,000 --> 01:13:46,239
of what that's the reason we're being told she jumped

1541
01:13:46,239 --> 01:13:50,000
off of a bridge because she was diagnosed WITH covid nineteen.

1542
01:13:50,119 --> 01:13:54,039
Speaker 5: After purportedly being released from the. Hospital so, yes, Right

1543
01:13:54,159 --> 01:13:58,000
like we're working under assumption that if she was, ill

1544
01:13:58,439 --> 01:14:00,560
she would have been in at the.

1545
01:14:00,560 --> 01:14:03,399
Speaker 2: Hospital so, well and then a family pet dies a

1546
01:14:03,439 --> 01:14:05,319
few weeks, later and then the husband, says, well that

1547
01:14:05,359 --> 01:14:07,960
family pet died TO covid nineteen, also but he never

1548
01:14:08,000 --> 01:14:09,760
GOT covid nineteen the kids never GOT covid.

1549
01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:13,560
Speaker 3: Nineteen were they even testing pets back? Then can they

1550
01:14:13,560 --> 01:14:14,039
test pets?

1551
01:14:14,079 --> 01:14:14,279
Speaker 4: Now and?

1552
01:14:14,399 --> 01:14:17,359
Speaker 2: No, again then that social media post was deleted BECAUSE

1553
01:14:17,399 --> 01:14:19,479
i never saw. That i'm getting that from this police.

1554
01:14:19,479 --> 01:14:21,560
REPORT i never saw that. POST i see this is

1555
01:14:21,600 --> 01:14:24,399
the detective saying he saw that on social. Media, yeah

1556
01:14:24,399 --> 01:14:27,560
and then that was subsequently, removed probably because people are questioning.

1557
01:14:27,560 --> 01:14:30,239
It it seems like anytime there's a post and people started,

1558
01:14:30,279 --> 01:14:32,960
questioning that post is. Deleted now you caught an image of.

1559
01:14:33,000 --> 01:14:35,640
It he caught an image of, It but apparently there

1560
01:14:35,680 --> 01:14:38,960
was more stuff going on. There and then again we

1561
01:14:39,000 --> 01:14:41,000
have to look at the whole. Background all of a,

1562
01:14:41,000 --> 01:14:43,960
sudden there's This kenyan woman that appears out of. Nowhere

1563
01:14:44,119 --> 01:14:46,760
then they're, married all of a, sudden he's buying her new,

1564
01:14:46,800 --> 01:14:48,960
car and then all of a sudden he's pissed At

1565
01:14:49,000 --> 01:14:50,079
america and leaving the.

1566
01:14:50,079 --> 01:14:52,800
Speaker 4: Country Right, like when you.

1567
01:14:52,760 --> 01:14:56,119
Speaker 2: Piece all of it, honestly on a one to one,

1568
01:14:56,199 --> 01:14:58,560
level when you look at, it seems. Shady when you

1569
01:14:58,600 --> 01:15:00,960
look at the whole, picture it's even. Worse and that's

1570
01:15:01,000 --> 01:15:04,279
what's getting me is none of this makes sense at.

1571
01:15:04,319 --> 01:15:07,479
All as far as she committed suicide because OF covid.

1572
01:15:07,520 --> 01:15:10,880
Nineteen it's it's she was an inconvenient person in the

1573
01:15:10,880 --> 01:15:12,760
way of what he wanted to, do and he took

1574
01:15:12,800 --> 01:15:15,479
advantage of THE covid pandemic and the crisis that was

1575
01:15:15,479 --> 01:15:18,079
happening to basically get away with. Murder that is like

1576
01:15:18,319 --> 01:15:20,079
my theory and assumption right.

1577
01:15:20,119 --> 01:15:24,000
Speaker 5: Now AND i think the police get where this last

1578
01:15:24,079 --> 01:15:26,439
entry there gets half the way there or a quarter

1579
01:15:26,560 --> 01:15:28,600
of the way They're what it's saying, is, yes there's

1580
01:15:28,640 --> 01:15:31,159
a lot of weird things going on. Here there's a

1581
01:15:31,199 --> 01:15:35,319
lot of, questions but these alone are not enough to you,

1582
01:15:35,319 --> 01:15:38,119
know to change kind of the determination that's been. Made

1583
01:15:38,439 --> 01:15:40,520
if there's another piece of the puzzle that's out, there

1584
01:15:40,720 --> 01:15:42,279
we're looking at a different.

1585
01:15:42,319 --> 01:15:44,960
Speaker 2: STORY i, think, Yeah and this is WHERE i don't

1586
01:15:44,960 --> 01:15:47,239
think this is done because the one open ended question

1587
01:15:47,319 --> 01:15:50,920
is where Is Eric? Castle quest because the last social

1588
01:15:50,920 --> 01:15:54,439
media POSTS i saw as he's leaving the country and

1589
01:15:54,720 --> 01:15:57,439
people are, like who's got your? Kids where are your?

1590
01:15:57,520 --> 01:16:00,199
Kids what's, happening what's going? On we don't know any

1591
01:16:00,199 --> 01:16:00,880
of the information right.

1592
01:16:00,920 --> 01:16:04,239
Speaker 3: Now and he was really active on social media up

1593
01:16:04,319 --> 01:16:07,600
until a point where he just is Completely.

1594
01:16:07,279 --> 01:16:09,680
Speaker 2: He was overactive showing how happy he was and how

1595
01:16:09,720 --> 01:16:11,840
great it, was and how sad they are that his wife's,

1596
01:16:11,880 --> 01:16:13,640
gone and how he's moving on and his kids are

1597
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:15,119
so for it and everything like.

1598
01:16:15,159 --> 01:16:17,600
Speaker 4: THAT i just call bolt on all of. THAT i.

1599
01:16:17,640 --> 01:16:18,319
DO i.

1600
01:16:18,359 --> 01:16:20,159
Speaker 2: DO i have kids around the age of those, kids

1601
01:16:20,199 --> 01:16:21,560
and they would not be acting that.

1602
01:16:21,600 --> 01:16:21,840
Speaker 4: Way.

1603
01:16:22,039 --> 01:16:24,760
Speaker 5: Yeah and one THING i want to flag, too and

1604
01:16:25,159 --> 01:16:28,000
used to, say this is not. Done we saw on

1605
01:16:28,039 --> 01:16:30,880
the social media posts that people are as asking questions what?

1606
01:16:31,039 --> 01:16:33,680
HAPPENED i heard one thing here and another thing. Here,

1607
01:16:34,119 --> 01:16:36,880
oh it seems quick that you're, married and that was.

1608
01:16:36,960 --> 01:16:39,439
Quick how'd you? Meet those sort of? Comments and now

1609
01:16:39,479 --> 01:16:42,560
we have a police report saying that multiple, people, friends,

1610
01:16:42,680 --> 01:16:46,199
family citizens have reached. Out there's people out there that have,

1611
01:16:46,319 --> 01:16:50,600
information personal information that they can maybe provide some answers

1612
01:16:50,640 --> 01:16:53,520
here that maybe have value or could expand on some

1613
01:16:53,600 --> 01:16:55,520
of these kind of theories that were.

1614
01:16:55,600 --> 01:17:00,720
Speaker 3: Positing, YEAH i think it's interesting to think that comments

1615
01:17:01,119 --> 01:17:02,760
before we were able to get the police. Support AND

1616
01:17:03,000 --> 01:17:04,960
i think we're gonna do some MORE foia requests to

1617
01:17:04,960 --> 01:17:08,279
get the medical examiner's. REPORT i Think i'm gonna try

1618
01:17:08,279 --> 01:17:11,760
A foi request with The department Of transportation in In

1619
01:17:11,960 --> 01:17:15,119
washington to see if there was any kind of investigation going.

1620
01:17:15,159 --> 01:17:16,560
Speaker 4: On they should still have that.

1621
01:17:16,600 --> 01:17:20,159
Speaker 3: Footage but part of me thinks that they don't have

1622
01:17:20,279 --> 01:17:23,000
that footage because there's two scenarios that could have. Happened

1623
01:17:23,039 --> 01:17:28,439
here is she was murdered by, somebody and this police

1624
01:17:28,439 --> 01:17:31,239
support that we have would have, said this is an ongoing.

1625
01:17:31,279 --> 01:17:34,000
Investigation we may have not even even gotten the police.

1626
01:17:33,720 --> 01:17:34,880
Speaker 4: Report if it was an ongoing.

1627
01:17:34,920 --> 01:17:38,239
Speaker 3: Investigation and the other scenario is they were treating like

1628
01:17:38,239 --> 01:17:42,000
a suicide before all of the context of what happened

1629
01:17:42,680 --> 01:17:47,159
occurred at the social media posts and very, strange and

1630
01:17:47,199 --> 01:17:50,279
we we got emailed by some people that were hitting

1631
01:17:50,319 --> 01:17:53,520
on us for literally coming down On eric hard for

1632
01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:57,199
these posts that he like they Were, sam you don't

1633
01:17:57,199 --> 01:17:59,279
know what's going on with, him blah blah blah blah.

1634
01:17:59,279 --> 01:18:01,840
Blah and that's, fair it's. Fair we were coming at

1635
01:18:01,880 --> 01:18:03,479
it from LIKE i.

1636
01:18:03,479 --> 01:18:05,159
Speaker 4: Was coming at it. HARD i think he did it like.

1637
01:18:05,479 --> 01:18:09,279
Speaker 3: Any of our wives died by. SUICIDE i probably wouldn't

1638
01:18:09,279 --> 01:18:11,520
be back out in the dating scene within a month

1639
01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:14,680
or two or be married in three.

1640
01:18:14,720 --> 01:18:16,239
Speaker 4: Months, Yeah, NO i totally.

1641
01:18:16,279 --> 01:18:19,119
Speaker 2: AGREE i think that's WHERE i don't know what that

1642
01:18:19,199 --> 01:18:22,079
situation is, like assuming that he's not. LYING i don't

1643
01:18:22,119 --> 01:18:23,920
know what that situation is, like AND i feel BUT

1644
01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:25,600
i have a pretty good idea of how it would

1645
01:18:25,640 --> 01:18:29,439
be acting in the middle of that, situation and it's

1646
01:18:29,479 --> 01:18:32,720
nothing like he was. DOING i can guarantee you THAT i.

1647
01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:36,479
Speaker 3: Feel like most maybe will take heat for this, comment

1648
01:18:36,520 --> 01:18:39,359
but most normal people would react the way we described,

1649
01:18:39,399 --> 01:18:40,520
It like it's.

1650
01:18:40,319 --> 01:18:41,039
Speaker 4: Like one of my biggest.

1651
01:18:41,079 --> 01:18:43,560
Speaker 2: Nightmares i've had nightmares Where i've lost a child or

1652
01:18:43,600 --> 01:18:46,640
lost my wife AND i wake up upset and it's not.

1653
01:18:46,920 --> 01:18:50,960
Real i've woken up like, shaking Like i've.

1654
01:18:50,840 --> 01:18:51,600
Speaker 4: Had that about winning the.

1655
01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:57,600
Speaker 2: Lottery, god but, like, Seriously i've woken. Up some nights

1656
01:18:57,600 --> 01:18:59,520
were LIKE i had such a realistic DREAM i thought

1657
01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:01,920
one of my kids, died or Like cassie, died AND

1658
01:19:01,960 --> 01:19:04,279
i was like on the verge of, tears like, panicking

1659
01:19:04,479 --> 01:19:06,520
and even AFTER i Saw, okay this isn't, Real LIKE

1660
01:19:06,600 --> 01:19:08,439
i still couldn't calm. DOWN i couldn't sleep the rest

1661
01:19:08,439 --> 01:19:10,159
of the. Night, Yeah LIKE i couldn't calm down and

1662
01:19:10,199 --> 01:19:12,479
it didn't happen to. Me, yeah so now you're in

1663
01:19:12,520 --> 01:19:17,239
a situation where it actually. HAPPENED i wouldn't be visibly. Unfazed, now,

1664
01:19:17,520 --> 01:19:22,600
Okay devil's. Advocate maybe, AGAIN i haven't experience, That Thank.

1665
01:19:22,600 --> 01:19:24,479
GOD i hope people don't ever have to go through.

1666
01:19:24,479 --> 01:19:27,399
That maybe it was so shocking that you get those

1667
01:19:27,399 --> 01:19:30,119
people that like literally just go, numb like maybe he

1668
01:19:30,159 --> 01:19:33,720
can't process. It maybe, legitimately she committed suicide because she

1669
01:19:33,760 --> 01:19:35,680
thought SHE covid nineteen and he's acting weird because that's

1670
01:19:35,680 --> 01:19:38,000
how he processes this, stuff and he just, Froze so

1671
01:19:38,039 --> 01:19:38,520
we can't do.

1672
01:19:38,560 --> 01:19:39,479
Speaker 4: It you have a comment from a.

1673
01:19:39,520 --> 01:19:42,279
Speaker 3: Listener, Okay i'm gonna put on the screen going along these,

1674
01:19:42,319 --> 01:19:43,239
LINES i think.

1675
01:19:43,199 --> 01:19:46,159
Speaker 4: Of what was This Adam.

1676
01:19:46,199 --> 01:19:49,119
Speaker 2: Osbourne, Yeah i'll read it out for the just the

1677
01:19:49,119 --> 01:19:49,760
LIST i.

1678
01:19:49,800 --> 01:19:52,600
Speaker 3: Forget, yeah a listener on YouTube Adam he, WRITES i

1679
01:19:52,600 --> 01:19:55,399
think people incremate themselves by their lack of interest in

1680
01:19:55,439 --> 01:19:59,039
finding the. Truth how could this guy be satisfied WITH covid?

1681
01:19:59,079 --> 01:20:00,520
Suicide wouldn't you want more?

1682
01:20:00,560 --> 01:20:04,239
Speaker 2: ANSWERS i completely, Agree, yeah one hundred percent of age

1683
01:20:04,279 --> 01:20:07,199
You adam for the. Comment, yeah and that's kind of

1684
01:20:07,199 --> 01:20:12,399
my whole thing is, like, no like she had that

1685
01:20:12,479 --> 01:20:14,479
visible injury in her. HAND i feel like there's some

1686
01:20:14,520 --> 01:20:17,760
domestic thing going. On, yeah and maybe she found out

1687
01:20:17,760 --> 01:20:21,800
about This kenyan. Woman and this is like to, me

1688
01:20:21,920 --> 01:20:25,159
this is AND i got flag for saying it was

1689
01:20:25,439 --> 01:20:27,439
the woman's. Fault someone said it couldn't Be, LIKE i,

1690
01:20:27,479 --> 01:20:29,560
Agree it's not like she caused me to do.

1691
01:20:29,560 --> 01:20:29,920
Speaker 4: It this is.

1692
01:20:30,000 --> 01:20:31,920
Speaker 2: Him this is his. Decision he was, married he's in

1693
01:20:31,920 --> 01:20:33,960
a committed. Relationship if he chose to go find something,

1694
01:20:33,960 --> 01:20:37,199
else this is his. Fault if this other woman helped convince, it,

1695
01:20:37,239 --> 01:20:38,039
whatever it's still his.

1696
01:20:38,079 --> 01:20:38,439
Speaker 4: Fault he.

1697
01:20:38,479 --> 01:20:42,760
Speaker 2: Initiated but my whole thing is he was after this

1698
01:20:42,840 --> 01:20:47,079
other thing and his wife found. Out maybe they got

1699
01:20:47,119 --> 01:20:51,279
in an, argument maybe a physical altercation. Occurred COVID's, happening

1700
01:20:51,479 --> 01:20:56,319
he like passionate thing. Occurs that to me makes sense

1701
01:20:56,399 --> 01:20:57,920
based on how he acts after the.

1702
01:20:58,000 --> 01:20:59,800
Speaker 4: Fact, YEAH i don't.

1703
01:20:59,840 --> 01:21:03,960
Speaker 5: Know So devil's advocate here is one you could a good. Lawyer, Yes,

1704
01:21:04,239 --> 01:21:06,840
no if you look at reasonings behind all, this and

1705
01:21:06,960 --> 01:21:10,000
if you're operating under a theory that she committed, suicide

1706
01:21:10,000 --> 01:21:13,239
it could be that their marriage was in. Trouble that

1707
01:21:13,279 --> 01:21:17,960
could be a motivating fact for suicidal thoughts or suicidal.

1708
01:21:18,000 --> 01:21:21,840
Tendencies he could already have met This kenyan woman been

1709
01:21:21,880 --> 01:21:24,399
planning to leave for This kenyan. Woman that would explain

1710
01:21:24,479 --> 01:21:27,560
some of the like unphased by your wife, missing the

1711
01:21:27,600 --> 01:21:31,239
car being. Stolen but even when you go down that

1712
01:21:31,359 --> 01:21:35,079
line of, thought you have this flurry of social media

1713
01:21:35,159 --> 01:21:39,079
activity afterwards that just none of it really makes. Sense

1714
01:21:39,119 --> 01:21:41,359
none of it is, Consistent none of it adds. Up

1715
01:21:41,720 --> 01:21:45,479
how are you unphased in the moment and then distraught

1716
01:21:45,600 --> 01:21:47,640
on social? Media you know.

1717
01:21:47,800 --> 01:21:50,640
Speaker 2: He's very rapidly trying to get over this or to

1718
01:21:50,720 --> 01:21:52,600
convince the world that he's getting over.

1719
01:21:52,640 --> 01:21:54,520
Speaker 3: It just, fine if you can find some of those.

1720
01:21:54,520 --> 01:21:56,680
PICTURES i couldn't find him On. Facebook if you want to.

1721
01:21:56,600 --> 01:21:59,279
Speaker 4: Try, IT i not make the. Album put him.

1722
01:21:58,479 --> 01:22:02,880
Speaker 3: On the stream here while you're doing. That just, curiosity

1723
01:22:03,159 --> 01:22:05,840
have your? Sources did your sources listen to our first

1724
01:22:05,880 --> 01:22:08,079
episode or have you talked to them SINCE.

1725
01:22:08,399 --> 01:22:11,119
Speaker 5: I have and they did listen to the first episode.

1726
01:22:10,960 --> 01:22:12,039
Speaker 4: Any just out of?

1727
01:22:12,079 --> 01:22:15,840
Speaker 3: Curiosity did they feedback feedback on? It did they did

1728
01:22:15,840 --> 01:22:18,399
they kind of agree with our? Assumptions did they did

1729
01:22:18,479 --> 01:22:19,800
it bring up more questions for?

1730
01:22:19,840 --> 01:22:22,640
Speaker 5: Them OR i think the first episode was really we

1731
01:22:22,720 --> 01:22:24,520
hit all kinds of the facts that we're out there

1732
01:22:24,560 --> 01:22:27,399
and opened the questions, up AND i think there was

1733
01:22:27,439 --> 01:22:31,279
agreement there across the. BOARD i think that some of

1734
01:22:31,319 --> 01:22:34,319
the thoughts or concerns that they had have been have

1735
01:22:34,399 --> 01:22:37,720
come to light in this police. Report but people being

1736
01:22:37,760 --> 01:22:41,960
concerned about what was going, on the re establishment of familial,

1737
01:22:42,079 --> 01:22:46,960
relationships concerns that Maybe eric had suicidal thoughts or at

1738
01:22:47,039 --> 01:22:50,600
least suicidal thoughts in the, past and REALLY i think the,

1739
01:22:50,760 --> 01:22:54,560
bombshell the biggest bombshell in this police report is that last,

1740
01:22:54,600 --> 01:22:58,840
injury which kind of confirms everything that we said in part.

1741
01:22:58,880 --> 01:23:00,880
One there's a lot of quiet out there and it

1742
01:23:00,920 --> 01:23:03,680
doesn't quite add. Up SO i think that's where where we're.

1743
01:23:03,720 --> 01:23:05,840
At a lot of questions, answered a lot more of,

1744
01:23:05,920 --> 01:23:09,079
remaining and we're on the right track at least or

1745
01:23:09,239 --> 01:23:09,920
the police think we.

1746
01:23:09,960 --> 01:23:13,560
Speaker 3: Are, YEAH i think next steps because this kind of

1747
01:23:13,600 --> 01:23:15,880
seems like an ongoing. Thing we're going to keep bringing

1748
01:23:15,960 --> 01:23:17,279
up a couple Every.

1749
01:23:17,159 --> 01:23:18,920
Speaker 2: Yeah we got to keep getting more. Information we.

1750
01:23:18,920 --> 01:23:20,199
Speaker 4: CAN'T i. Don't here's the.

1751
01:23:20,199 --> 01:23:21,800
Speaker 2: DEAL i will be the first person to come on

1752
01:23:21,880 --> 01:23:24,920
here me LIKE i was entirely. Wrong he went crazy

1753
01:23:24,960 --> 01:23:27,319
because this traumatic thing, happened and what he did was,

1754
01:23:27,359 --> 01:23:30,319
weird it didn't make. Sense but this is his way

1755
01:23:30,479 --> 01:23:34,079
of acting to a completely abnormal situation that not a

1756
01:23:34,079 --> 01:23:35,439
lot of people have to go. Through not a lot

1757
01:23:35,439 --> 01:23:37,880
of people go through this. Scenario so maybe it was completely.

1758
01:23:37,960 --> 01:23:42,319
Legit she freaked out OF, covid, THOUGHT i think you

1759
01:23:42,319 --> 01:23:43,880
brought it, Up. Mike you, said what if she freaked

1760
01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:46,159
out cause OF covid and was afraid of getting her kids,

1761
01:23:46,239 --> 01:23:48,439
sick her husband, sick and she took her own.

1762
01:23:48,479 --> 01:23:51,520
Speaker 3: Life the weird thing about that, is like we documented

1763
01:23:51,560 --> 01:23:54,159
in the first episode On, gwen is she was very

1764
01:23:54,199 --> 01:23:58,600
active in social media AROUND, covid and you would just

1765
01:23:58,760 --> 01:24:03,159
assume that someone who's very active in talking ABOUT, covid

1766
01:24:03,800 --> 01:24:06,399
if they CONTRACTED covid early, on like you're one of

1767
01:24:06,439 --> 01:24:09,720
the first people to GET, covid you would even if

1768
01:24:09,920 --> 01:24:12,560
you were like really worried and stuff like, THAT i

1769
01:24:12,560 --> 01:24:14,960
think you would talk about that On. Twitter she was

1770
01:24:15,079 --> 01:24:17,159
very active On. Twitter she would have made she would

1771
01:24:17,159 --> 01:24:20,439
have tweeted something out LIKE i GOT, Covid i'll let

1772
01:24:20,479 --> 01:24:22,560
you guys know how it, goes or something like. That

1773
01:24:22,640 --> 01:24:25,479
and it was there was nothing from her saying that

1774
01:24:25,560 --> 01:24:25,920
she HAD.

1775
01:24:25,960 --> 01:24:29,720
Speaker 4: COVID, yea so we don't even know the husband is.

1776
01:24:29,760 --> 01:24:30,560
Saying even the police.

1777
01:24:30,560 --> 01:24:34,880
Speaker 3: Report doesn't they, obviously BECAUSE i really don't think at

1778
01:24:34,920 --> 01:24:37,039
any point this was a criminal investigation because.

1779
01:24:36,840 --> 01:24:38,399
Speaker 2: They didn't they didn't reach out to the, hospital they

1780
01:24:38,399 --> 01:24:39,880
didn't go to the, house and the hospital's not going

1781
01:24:39,920 --> 01:24:42,319
to tell us because they shouldn't we called them and.

1782
01:24:42,359 --> 01:24:43,199
Speaker 4: Asked it's a hip of.

1783
01:24:43,279 --> 01:24:47,199
Speaker 3: Violation i'm guessing the only way the police department could

1784
01:24:47,239 --> 01:24:50,079
get record of her even going to get tested would

1785
01:24:50,119 --> 01:24:50,840
be back court, order.

1786
01:24:50,920 --> 01:24:53,840
Speaker 5: RIGHT i think they could issue a subpoena and get that,

1787
01:24:53,880 --> 01:24:56,439
information and that's probably a pretty regular.

1788
01:24:56,560 --> 01:24:59,720
Speaker 3: Thing would they do that in a suicide, Investigation probably not.

1789
01:24:59,800 --> 01:25:01,880
Speaker 2: So AND i don't think so if they think it's

1790
01:25:01,920 --> 01:25:04,800
just a, suicide like, yep she died. Suicide there's no

1791
01:25:04,880 --> 01:25:07,439
reason to spend department resources on this if we think

1792
01:25:07,439 --> 01:25:07,640
it's a.

1793
01:25:07,680 --> 01:25:11,000
Speaker 5: Suicide we've talked about some absences from the police. Report

1794
01:25:11,119 --> 01:25:14,359
one is the footage of the. Bridge the other one

1795
01:25:14,359 --> 01:25:16,640
that jumps out to me is that there's no talk

1796
01:25:16,680 --> 01:25:19,520
about speaking with the. Kids AND i understood that if

1797
01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:22,600
it's twelve fifty three at night when they first Contact,

1798
01:25:22,720 --> 01:25:24,239
eric but you would think.

1799
01:25:24,119 --> 01:25:26,720
Speaker 3: That would be a big part of the, investigation even a,

1800
01:25:26,760 --> 01:25:27,520
suicide just to get.

1801
01:25:27,560 --> 01:25:29,880
Speaker 4: Statements did you notice AND i don't know you're going

1802
01:25:29,920 --> 01:25:30,720
on at? HOME i don't.

1803
01:25:30,720 --> 01:25:33,760
Speaker 2: KNOW i don't know if it Would if it's they committed.

1804
01:25:33,399 --> 01:25:35,520
Speaker 3: Suicide this is too. BAD i mean from someone who's

1805
01:25:35,520 --> 01:25:38,680
not law enforcement or a. Detective IF i, WAS i

1806
01:25:38,720 --> 01:25:41,760
THINK i might just want to get a. STATEMENT i,

1807
01:25:41,800 --> 01:25:42,960
mean but what if it's.

1808
01:25:42,840 --> 01:25:45,520
Speaker 2: Like the one hundredth suicide you've been on and they're

1809
01:25:45,520 --> 01:25:48,039
all very? Similar Todd, yeah, well not even, jaded but

1810
01:25:48,119 --> 01:25:50,680
like it's kind of like the idea of we think

1811
01:25:50,720 --> 01:25:53,079
of this stuff as like through The hollywood lens of

1812
01:25:53,159 --> 01:25:55,439
just something, more there's something more sinister when you're, like

1813
01:25:55,439 --> 01:25:56,960
LIKE i, SAID i wasn't a, cop BUT i went

1814
01:25:57,000 --> 01:25:59,479
to a lot of these types of calls with police.

1815
01:25:59,199 --> 01:25:59,640
Speaker 4: When you're an E.

1816
01:25:59,680 --> 01:26:02,279
Speaker 2: Mt And i've went on thousands of calls and they're

1817
01:26:02,359 --> 01:26:05,399
very clear, cut, bored not, boring but like very.

1818
01:26:05,439 --> 01:26:06,920
Speaker 4: Straightforward there's no mystery to.

1819
01:26:06,960 --> 01:26:09,359
Speaker 2: Anybody i've never gone on a call that was mysterious

1820
01:26:09,840 --> 01:26:12,479
ever in My i've only been on for four. Years

1821
01:26:12,800 --> 01:26:14,600
BUT i went on a lot of medical calls with

1822
01:26:14,720 --> 01:26:18,119
cops or calls where like drugs were, involved and they's not.

1823
01:26:18,399 --> 01:26:21,439
Mystery it's just it's very clear cut and. Straightforward otherwise

1824
01:26:21,439 --> 01:26:23,760
this stuff would be happening all the. Time so if

1825
01:26:23,800 --> 01:26:26,880
you have a body wash, up a reported missing, person

1826
01:26:27,399 --> 01:26:29,560
a story that, says, yeah she's on these, drugs she

1827
01:26:29,680 --> 01:26:33,479
has this history that sounds like a normal, suicide it's

1828
01:26:33,560 --> 01:26:35,319
only until you start digging. In and that's WHERE i

1829
01:26:35,319 --> 01:26:39,159
feel like the detective probably initially, again he doesn't know

1830
01:26:39,199 --> 01:26:39,880
what we know at the.

1831
01:26:39,880 --> 01:26:41,760
Speaker 4: Time, yeah all he knows.

1832
01:26:41,640 --> 01:26:44,760
Speaker 2: Is there's a missing, person there's a body that matches a,

1833
01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:47,680
report there's a car crash on the bridge the side,

1834
01:26:48,079 --> 01:26:49,840
like there's a drunk guy who said. Something but, yeah

1835
01:26:49,840 --> 01:26:51,640
it sounds like she jumped off the bridge and she's.

1836
01:26:51,640 --> 01:26:56,079
Suicidal and unfortunately that. Happens and then all of a,

1837
01:26:56,159 --> 01:26:59,720
sudden over time he's getting reports from fans and family

1838
01:27:00,000 --> 01:27:02,079
and they starts piecing this stuff together and then starting

1839
01:27:02,079 --> 01:27:04,359
to not make. Sense but so much time has. Passed

1840
01:27:04,359 --> 01:27:06,760
do we have those videos? Anymore, no they've been. Deleted

1841
01:27:07,279 --> 01:27:10,279
do we like it's been ruled a? Suicide how much

1842
01:27:10,279 --> 01:27:12,319
time DO i spend on? This i've probably got other

1843
01:27:12,479 --> 01:27:14,600
things to work, on not that they're not more, Important

1844
01:27:14,640 --> 01:27:19,359
but if you're at and you're working like ten other murder,

1845
01:27:19,439 --> 01:27:22,720
cases especially DURING. Covid did it slip through the?

1846
01:27:22,720 --> 01:27:24,319
Speaker 4: Crack they want to get this off their.

1847
01:27:24,359 --> 01:27:28,199
Speaker 5: Board, yeah, yeah if no one's pushing for, answers, right

1848
01:27:28,239 --> 01:27:30,960
and THAT i think that's the key, Thing, right everything

1849
01:27:31,039 --> 01:27:34,279
ties up for suicide and we have no nothing pushing for,

1850
01:27:34,319 --> 01:27:35,159
Answers and.

1851
01:27:34,960 --> 01:27:38,560
Speaker 3: We know we've got a, question ask, You, Yeah i've

1852
01:27:38,600 --> 01:27:41,319
got an. Idea do we think we could reach out

1853
01:27:41,359 --> 01:27:43,239
to the actual detective and see If Oh.

1854
01:27:43,159 --> 01:27:45,159
Speaker 4: I'm already try it. Out i'm, Gonna i'm.

1855
01:27:45,159 --> 01:27:47,079
Speaker 2: Gonna i'm gonna email them and see if, anything if

1856
01:27:47,079 --> 01:27:48,680
he's not willing to come on the air just to

1857
01:27:48,720 --> 01:27:48,960
get a.

1858
01:27:48,960 --> 01:27:53,600
Speaker 3: Response, honestly if this case is closed and it's officially,

1859
01:27:53,640 --> 01:27:55,560
CLOSED i don't understand why he wouldn't be able to

1860
01:27:55,600 --> 01:27:57,239
talk about, it maybe other than the fact that he

1861
01:27:57,279 --> 01:28:00,239
doesn't want to jeopardize his job and the police.

1862
01:28:00,239 --> 01:28:03,319
Speaker 2: Apartment and, Actually adam made a great point kind of

1863
01:28:03,319 --> 01:28:04,359
what you. SAID i just threw it up on the.

1864
01:28:04,359 --> 01:28:06,159
Board it says in so many of the cases you

1865
01:28:06,199 --> 01:28:08,359
do on your, show the spouse is almost always the

1866
01:28:08,399 --> 01:28:11,119
one pushing for investigation of foul. Play that is a

1867
01:28:11,159 --> 01:28:14,000
great point because we have so many cases where it

1868
01:28:14,039 --> 01:28:17,279
looks clear cut and they the spouse or the family

1869
01:28:17,279 --> 01:28:17,840
members not.

1870
01:28:17,960 --> 01:28:20,640
Speaker 4: Satisfied, EVER i WILL i will say this because cut you.

1871
01:28:20,640 --> 01:28:23,239
Speaker 3: OFF i posted to get people to start, chatting and

1872
01:28:23,319 --> 01:28:26,520
the chats for a free. Hat adam's the front.

1873
01:28:26,560 --> 01:28:26,920
Speaker 4: Runner.

1874
01:28:30,720 --> 01:28:32,960
Speaker 2: Excellent, no BUT i mean that's that's a great point

1875
01:28:32,960 --> 01:28:36,520
because we deal with ones that are like very clear

1876
01:28:36,560 --> 01:28:38,880
cut in the family's, like, No i'm not accepting, it

1877
01:28:38,920 --> 01:28:42,800
because that's to me a normal, Response like it's not, like,

1878
01:28:42,920 --> 01:28:44,720
no that can't be the. Case that can't be. It

1879
01:28:44,760 --> 01:28:46,720
that's my that's SOMEONE i, love that's somebody that, like

1880
01:28:46,760 --> 01:28:48,880
that can't be. It almost even if it's clear. Cuts, no,

1881
01:28:49,039 --> 01:28:53,600
sorry it. Is he gave up instantly within several. HOURS

1882
01:28:53,720 --> 01:28:55,680
i guess she's. DEAD i guess it's all. OVER i

1883
01:28:55,760 --> 01:28:58,920
better start looking for a new. Wife, NO i mean,

1884
01:28:58,960 --> 01:29:02,119
sorry that's that's. Two, Yeah, no that's not. Normal a

1885
01:29:02,119 --> 01:29:03,840
lot of our, cases almost all of our.

1886
01:29:03,880 --> 01:29:07,119
Speaker 3: Cases this is a very unusual, episode the two episodes

1887
01:29:07,159 --> 01:29:08,319
we've done, now because.

1888
01:29:08,079 --> 01:29:11,920
Speaker 2: He, said, ah, yeah.

1889
01:29:10,800 --> 01:29:14,000
Speaker 3: This is the the benefit of getting on a podcast

1890
01:29:14,039 --> 01:29:15,600
live stream when they just start doing it and no

1891
01:29:15,640 --> 01:29:19,199
one knows they're live. Streaming but, no this is a

1892
01:29:19,279 --> 01:29:21,920
very unusual case for this. Podcast joe AND i always

1893
01:29:21,960 --> 01:29:24,239
talk about people that have gone missing in the wilderness

1894
01:29:24,359 --> 01:29:28,319
under weird, circumstances Like Aaron, hedges.

1895
01:29:27,960 --> 01:29:30,520
Speaker 4: The guy we just talked about a couple of weeks, ago.

1896
01:29:30,399 --> 01:29:34,760
Speaker 3: And the commonality in all those cases is the family

1897
01:29:34,840 --> 01:29:38,680
is usually out in the field with. Searchers they'll travel

1898
01:29:38,720 --> 01:29:41,640
to wherever they went. Missing they'll spend the entire time

1899
01:29:41,680 --> 01:29:44,000
the search is going on looking for. Them they're in

1900
01:29:44,039 --> 01:29:47,800
the woods, looking they're putting flyers up all over, it

1901
01:29:47,840 --> 01:29:51,600
like they're doing everything they possibly can humanly Possibly.

1902
01:29:51,279 --> 01:29:53,880
Speaker 2: Paul miller our second, Episode, yes, sister we talked to.

1903
01:29:53,920 --> 01:29:56,800
Her we email her like years, later still going like

1904
01:29:57,399 --> 01:30:00,960
it's let's argue her search is a year, later completely.

1905
01:30:00,960 --> 01:30:02,359
Speaker 4: Fruitless Arvin, Nelson.

1906
01:30:02,079 --> 01:30:06,560
Speaker 2: They're completely pointless if you're thinking. Logically but that's her. Brother,

1907
01:30:06,960 --> 01:30:08,000
ye she can't do.

1908
01:30:08,239 --> 01:30:11,600
Speaker 3: Nothing, well even like friends of people's Like Arvin. Nelson

1909
01:30:11,760 --> 01:30:14,520
we interviewed his, friends, yeah and high school.

1910
01:30:14,520 --> 01:30:15,319
Speaker 4: Friends he went.

1911
01:30:15,359 --> 01:30:18,199
Speaker 3: Missing and you're probably not familiar with this, case but

1912
01:30:18,239 --> 01:30:21,079
this guy went missing In Big sur In, california AND

1913
01:30:21,840 --> 01:30:25,399
i think over a decade ago and his friends to

1914
01:30:25,479 --> 01:30:28,760
this day still will go to the area where he

1915
01:30:28,800 --> 01:30:31,159
went missing every year kind of like a celebration of his.

1916
01:30:31,199 --> 01:30:33,359
Life and they do the hike that he went missing

1917
01:30:33,399 --> 01:30:36,159
on and they still kind of looking for, him and.

1918
01:30:36,119 --> 01:30:38,239
Speaker 4: They're not over. It they're not over, it and they

1919
01:30:38,239 --> 01:30:40,159
aren't it's not their.

1920
01:30:40,239 --> 01:30:42,840
Speaker 5: Husband, YEAH i think that has to be a pretty normal.

1921
01:30:42,920 --> 01:30:45,600
RESPONSE i, was, yeah.

1922
01:30:44,960 --> 01:30:48,319
Speaker 2: Yeah not like she's missing an hour, LATER i guess she's.

1923
01:30:48,359 --> 01:30:53,079
Gone that's too. Bad like he's still technically technically didn't

1924
01:30:53,119 --> 01:30:55,800
know what happened to her when he gave. Up the

1925
01:30:55,840 --> 01:30:59,760
body wasn't found till what six hours? Later, yeah unless

1926
01:30:59,760 --> 01:31:02,359
he already knew what happened to. Her and that's kind

1927
01:31:02,359 --> 01:31:05,239
of what's pointing in the, direction is like he's given

1928
01:31:05,319 --> 01:31:05,560
up on.

1929
01:31:05,600 --> 01:31:06,239
Speaker 4: It what do they talk?

1930
01:31:06,279 --> 01:31:09,119
Speaker 2: About this is Another highwood. Thing if you catch, somebody

1931
01:31:09,159 --> 01:31:10,800
if you catch a bunch of people for a, murder

1932
01:31:10,920 --> 01:31:13,720
whoever's sleeping is the one who probably did it because

1933
01:31:13,720 --> 01:31:16,279
they know they've been, Caught versus if you didn't do,

1934
01:31:16,319 --> 01:31:17,520
it you're. RED i didn't kill this.

1935
01:31:17,520 --> 01:31:18,479
Speaker 4: Person didn't kills. Person.

1936
01:31:18,680 --> 01:31:20,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, Yeah so this is a long way of us

1937
01:31:20,960 --> 01:31:23,840
saying that we find it unusual that he was not

1938
01:31:24,199 --> 01:31:28,079
really shaken up by her disappearance and then actual, suicide

1939
01:31:28,359 --> 01:31:30,600
and then literally marrying another woman three months.

1940
01:31:30,680 --> 01:31:34,079
Speaker 2: Later, YEAH i think this we didn't know half the,

1941
01:31:34,079 --> 01:31:36,399
information or three we didn't know three quarters of the

1942
01:31:36,439 --> 01:31:38,399
information that we know now in the police. REPORT i

1943
01:31:38,479 --> 01:31:39,960
think this just confirms it even.

1944
01:31:40,000 --> 01:31:43,880
Speaker 5: More, YEAH i want to go back to one thing. Too, sorry, no, no

1945
01:31:44,279 --> 01:31:46,399
we talked about this in the first episode at, length

1946
01:31:46,479 --> 01:31:48,840
but now we have the police, report we know what we,

1947
01:31:48,960 --> 01:31:52,239
know and the video that he posts of, her the

1948
01:31:52,319 --> 01:31:55,199
ring doorbell, video and there's comment from a woman that,

1949
01:31:55,279 --> 01:31:58,079
says so sorry for your. Loss i've been following your.

1950
01:31:58,079 --> 01:32:00,319
Story pardon me for, asking but in one post that

1951
01:32:00,399 --> 01:32:03,359
was said she died FROM covid nineteen and another shoes

1952
01:32:03,399 --> 01:32:06,119
found in the In Puget. Sound just wanted to clarify

1953
01:32:06,159 --> 01:32:08,680
with all that's going on with the. Virus, Again i'm

1954
01:32:08,720 --> 01:32:12,479
so sorry for your family's. Loss here's the response directly From.

1955
01:32:12,760 --> 01:32:15,479
Eric this Is. Eric she left in the night WHILE

1956
01:32:15,520 --> 01:32:18,359
i was, sleeping returning from an out of state business,

1957
01:32:18,359 --> 01:32:22,439
trip flying with multiple. Connections from what the authorities have told,

1958
01:32:22,479 --> 01:32:24,920
ME i brought it home and she caught. It there's

1959
01:32:24,920 --> 01:32:27,720
no mention of this in the police. Report what. Authorities

1960
01:32:27,800 --> 01:32:30,399
are we talking about saying that you brought it home

1961
01:32:30,439 --> 01:32:33,640
and she GOT covid from. You the police don't relay that.

1962
01:32:33,720 --> 01:32:37,239
Information we have nothing from the. Hospital it follows up

1963
01:32:37,279 --> 01:32:39,279
the kids AND i have been isolating and there are

1964
01:32:39,279 --> 01:32:43,239
not enough tests for us since we presented mild. Symptoms

1965
01:32:43,399 --> 01:32:45,800
we have no mention of him HAVING covid other than

1966
01:32:45,920 --> 01:32:49,600
this one. Post quinn had autoimmune disease and lung, disease

1967
01:32:49,640 --> 01:32:52,000
which made her more. Susceptible that is WHY i was

1968
01:32:52,039 --> 01:32:54,159
scared to go on my last trip and then canceled

1969
01:32:54,159 --> 01:32:57,520
all work trips until stuff goes. Away here's another question

1970
01:32:57,560 --> 01:33:00,000
out there is when was the work? Trip what connects

1971
01:33:00,079 --> 01:33:03,920
and we're being? Flown how does THIS covid transfer From

1972
01:33:04,079 --> 01:33:07,960
eric traveling for business to when and ultimately lead to.

1973
01:33:07,960 --> 01:33:13,560
Suicide summing up the after death, comments the post ends

1974
01:33:13,600 --> 01:33:15,760
with the kids AND i are feeling better and should

1975
01:33:15,800 --> 01:33:18,319
be free to roam around. Soon that's WHY i haven't

1976
01:33:18,359 --> 01:33:20,520
been running around the neighborhood for the last several.

1977
01:33:20,600 --> 01:33:24,680
Speaker 2: Days i'm different than everyone. ELSE i don't know, if

1978
01:33:25,840 --> 01:33:29,199
especially a few months, Later i'm not. Remarrying first of,

1979
01:33:29,279 --> 01:33:31,640
ALL i honestly don't know if i'd ever, remarry Like

1980
01:33:31,720 --> 01:33:33,960
i'm thirty, six LIKE i have six kids getting, old

1981
01:33:34,239 --> 01:33:36,960
as far as starting a whole new thing with a

1982
01:33:36,960 --> 01:33:39,800
whole other, person LIKE i would probably just focus on

1983
01:33:39,880 --> 01:33:40,920
my kids and.

1984
01:33:41,159 --> 01:33:43,680
Speaker 4: You'd be out club in the next. Month, No i'm, kidding.

1985
01:33:43,800 --> 01:33:45,560
Speaker 2: But that's the thing that's to your point, Though, Mike

1986
01:33:45,640 --> 01:33:48,119
like you say that as a, joke but reality, is

1987
01:33:48,159 --> 01:33:51,159
like he kind is out, Clubbing like a few weeks,

1988
01:33:51,239 --> 01:33:53,119
LATER i need To my kids are telling me to

1989
01:33:53,159 --> 01:33:53,479
meet other.

1990
01:33:53,520 --> 01:33:54,279
Speaker 4: PEOPLE i need to go.

1991
01:33:54,319 --> 01:33:57,000
Speaker 2: To your kids are, twelve they're still really sad their

1992
01:33:57,159 --> 01:34:01,439
mom has, died or you're putting stuff in their head

1993
01:34:01,479 --> 01:34:03,159
LIKE i need another, ONE i need another woman to

1994
01:34:03,199 --> 01:34:05,239
get them on. Board and then all of a, sudden

1995
01:34:05,279 --> 01:34:08,520
you meet this person that's perfect for, you get married to,

1996
01:34:08,600 --> 01:34:11,720
him you're buying her all this great, stuff and then

1997
01:34:11,920 --> 01:34:14,439
you're leaving the country all of a. Sudden, yeah like

1998
01:34:15,000 --> 01:34:17,520
you just don't care about your kids, Anymore like what's going?

1999
01:34:17,560 --> 01:34:19,359
On and even his friends and family in The facebook,

2000
01:34:19,399 --> 01:34:21,720
post like we looked like at the people we're asking those,

2001
01:34:21,800 --> 01:34:24,159
questions they have one follower that has kind of related to.

2002
01:34:24,199 --> 01:34:26,680
Him these are people that know that family well and,

2003
01:34:26,800 --> 01:34:30,880
like what's. Happening this is, weird this is not normal,

2004
01:34:30,920 --> 01:34:36,560
behavior and he just. GHOSTS i see extradiction and policy

2005
01:34:36,560 --> 01:34:39,319
in Like. TANZANIA i have no.

2006
01:34:39,399 --> 01:34:42,119
Speaker 4: Clue never once in my life thought about.

2007
01:34:42,119 --> 01:34:45,239
Speaker 2: It you never thought about What tanzania does to extradite

2008
01:34:45,439 --> 01:34:46,680
potential criminals to The United.

2009
01:34:46,720 --> 01:34:51,000
Speaker 3: States because this is probably the longest podcast episode we've ever, Done.

2010
01:34:50,840 --> 01:34:52,760
Speaker 2: Adam, wrote no, way IF i lose my, Wife i'm

2011
01:34:52,760 --> 01:34:54,319
never doing the dating thing ever.

2012
01:34:54,439 --> 01:34:57,079
Speaker 4: Again adam is our super chat user for this.

2013
01:34:57,239 --> 01:34:59,479
Speaker 3: Podcast, NO i think to put a pin in this

2014
01:34:59,520 --> 01:35:02,000
one and kind of slowly start to wrap it up

2015
01:35:02,000 --> 01:35:02,359
because we.

2016
01:35:02,359 --> 01:35:02,920
Speaker 4: Should we've been.

2017
01:35:02,960 --> 01:35:05,600
Speaker 2: Going this is our longest podcast. Ever, Yeah, andy you're

2018
01:35:05,640 --> 01:35:07,319
here for our first guest and our longest.

2019
01:35:07,359 --> 01:35:10,520
Speaker 3: PODCAST i think next, steps what do we do next

2020
01:35:10,520 --> 01:35:13,279
To so in my, HEAD i think there's a couple of.

2021
01:35:13,319 --> 01:35:15,800
THINGS i think we reach out to the detectives and

2022
01:35:15,800 --> 01:35:18,199
the police. REPORT i would contact all of. Them, yeah

2023
01:35:18,439 --> 01:35:22,039
AND i think probably you're A Trooper knox Detective. Christiansen

2024
01:35:22,119 --> 01:35:23,920
get out to all those idel, like, hey what was your?

2025
01:35:23,960 --> 01:35:25,479
Speaker 2: Read what was? Like see if they can come on the.

2026
01:35:25,479 --> 01:35:27,960
Speaker 3: SHOW i think your best bet would be to reach

2027
01:35:28,000 --> 01:35:33,640
out to The Police department's media contact person, first if

2028
01:35:33,680 --> 01:35:37,159
they well, NO i mean if you don't get anywhere with,

2029
01:35:37,199 --> 01:35:39,199
them the detectives aren't going to talk to. YOU i

2030
01:35:39,239 --> 01:35:41,800
think they they would probably if they passed this on

2031
01:35:41,880 --> 01:35:44,000
to the. DETECTIVES i think we can assume it's safe

2032
01:35:44,000 --> 01:35:47,399
that they'll talk to. US i think we need to

2033
01:35:47,399 --> 01:35:51,079
file ADDITIONAL foy requests with the fire. Department with The coroner's,

2034
01:35:51,119 --> 01:35:54,960
office we could. Try is there a name of the actual,

2035
01:35:54,960 --> 01:35:56,319
Hospital Saint? Anthony's was?

2036
01:35:56,319 --> 01:35:58,039
Speaker 4: IT i Meant.

2037
01:35:58,039 --> 01:35:58,479
Speaker 5: Anthony's.

2038
01:35:58,840 --> 01:36:01,800
Speaker 3: YEAH i don't know what the law is around medical

2039
01:36:01,840 --> 01:36:04,119
records And foyer, requests but it's worth a.

2040
01:36:04,159 --> 01:36:07,399
Speaker 2: Shot, Yeah hippa says they can't reveal, stuff but like

2041
01:36:07,479 --> 01:36:09,520
it's been weird WITH, COVID i think it's worth a.

2042
01:36:09,560 --> 01:36:12,800
Speaker 3: Shot is there any kind of conflict of interest when

2043
01:36:12,880 --> 01:36:13,479
the person's.

2044
01:36:13,520 --> 01:36:15,079
Speaker 4: Deceased, well here's the.

2045
01:36:15,119 --> 01:36:18,600
Speaker 2: Deal the idea is medical information is, protected MEANING i

2046
01:36:18,640 --> 01:36:20,640
can't go to the. Hospital like the whole idea is

2047
01:36:20,720 --> 01:36:23,119
imagine you're THE ceo of a major. Company, yeah and

2048
01:36:23,159 --> 01:36:26,279
you getting sick could tank a. Stock you, know that's

2049
01:36:26,279 --> 01:36:28,199
like important, Person LIKE i can't be, like, Oh Bill

2050
01:36:28,239 --> 01:36:29,760
gates is in the hospital for this thing and Then

2051
01:36:29,800 --> 01:36:32,000
microsoft dies down and the whole idea is and also

2052
01:36:32,039 --> 01:36:33,960
a normal person like if you GET, aids you don't

2053
01:36:33,960 --> 01:36:36,159
want people to, know like the hospital and be, like oh,

2054
01:36:36,199 --> 01:36:38,600
yo they're in here FOR. Aids, Broke, no it's private. Information,

2055
01:36:38,720 --> 01:36:40,560
yeah that's why it was so. Weird WITH, covid they're

2056
01:36:40,640 --> 01:36:42,399
kind of, like this person's GOT, covid that person's GOT,

2057
01:36:42,439 --> 01:36:43,079
covid show me your.

2058
01:36:43,079 --> 01:36:45,880
Speaker 3: Results but the dichatomy that is like you could potentially

2059
01:36:45,880 --> 01:36:48,319
get A corners, report which might be public.

2060
01:36:48,359 --> 01:36:49,640
Speaker 4: Information, well and that's what's.

2061
01:36:49,680 --> 01:36:51,159
Speaker 2: WEIRD i wonder if they can pick that up in

2062
01:36:51,199 --> 01:36:53,039
the medical examiner report and be, like, oh, yeah they

2063
01:36:53,039 --> 01:36:58,359
WERE covid, positive which. Nobody the only person that has

2064
01:36:58,479 --> 01:37:02,880
ever mentioned A covid diagnosis has Been Eric. Hasselquest there's

2065
01:37:02,920 --> 01:37:06,880
been no confirmation that, he their, children or her or

2066
01:37:06,920 --> 01:37:10,319
his pet that died actually HAD covid. Nineteen this is

2067
01:37:11,439 --> 01:37:14,680
ALL covid nineteen talk so. Far, again we haven't seen

2068
01:37:14,720 --> 01:37:17,600
any more, documents but so, far the only data we

2069
01:37:17,680 --> 01:37:20,000
have that there's BEEN covid nineteen involved in this at

2070
01:37:20,000 --> 01:37:22,720
all is her husband saying it was that is?

2071
01:37:22,760 --> 01:37:24,880
Speaker 5: It SO i think you GOT i think you hit.

2072
01:37:24,920 --> 01:37:27,840
It the hospital is likely some sort of a private.

2073
01:37:27,960 --> 01:37:30,359
Entity there's. Hippo you're probably not going to get records

2074
01:37:30,359 --> 01:37:33,279
without an authorization forout a court order or a court

2075
01:37:33,319 --> 01:37:36,479
order or. Subpoena but the, court the medical examiner's, office

2076
01:37:36,560 --> 01:37:39,520
the coroner's report might shed some light on whether or

2077
01:37:39,560 --> 01:37:43,159
not there was a POSITIVE covid. Diagnosis and the other

2078
01:37:43,199 --> 01:37:45,359
thing THAT i would suggest your show you don't need

2079
01:37:45,399 --> 01:37:47,560
to take, It but we have these comments of people

2080
01:37:47,920 --> 01:37:50,880
that are. Concerned we know who they are on social.

2081
01:37:50,880 --> 01:37:53,680
Speaker 4: Media they might ask for information that kind.

2082
01:37:53,520 --> 01:37:56,039
Speaker 5: Of pieces together some of these questions that we. Have.

2083
01:37:57,399 --> 01:37:58,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, NO i think that's a great.

2084
01:37:58,800 --> 01:38:03,479
Speaker 3: IDEA i think actually maybe not reaching out to them

2085
01:38:04,079 --> 01:38:06,840
and giving them the guarantee that they'll remain anonymous and

2086
01:38:06,880 --> 01:38:08,680
maybe let us know what they.

2087
01:38:08,720 --> 01:38:11,359
Speaker 2: Know, yeah we could pre record AND i could modify their,

2088
01:38:11,439 --> 01:38:14,640
voricae not even necessarily if they're not even comfortable doing. That,

2089
01:38:14,720 --> 01:38:16,039
ye if they want to give a statement and we

2090
01:38:16,079 --> 01:38:16,920
can relay it.

2091
01:38:17,279 --> 01:38:19,399
Speaker 4: And we can make a guarantee that we're not going

2092
01:38:19,479 --> 01:38:20,000
to release their.

2093
01:38:20,039 --> 01:38:22,319
Speaker 2: Identity, yeah and THAT i would say that goes for

2094
01:38:22,359 --> 01:38:24,600
anybody in Gig harbor that might know. Anything if you

2095
01:38:24,600 --> 01:38:27,399
want to feed us information. ANONYMOUSLY i can tell you

2096
01:38:27,479 --> 01:38:29,479
have a ton of information in case That i've not

2097
01:38:29,560 --> 01:38:31,720
shared that are pretty damning THAT i refuse to, share

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01:38:32,199 --> 01:38:34,560
not to plan my journalistic integrity because they're just a,

2099
01:38:34,600 --> 01:38:36,880
podcast But i'm a man of my. Word, like there's

2100
01:38:36,920 --> 01:38:39,039
a couple of things That i've learned from people that

2101
01:38:39,079 --> 01:38:41,439
would have been really good show material THAT i have

2102
01:38:41,560 --> 01:38:43,880
not shared because they asked me not. To so if

2103
01:38:43,920 --> 01:38:46,800
you want to come anonymously tell me some, things tell

2104
01:38:46,840 --> 01:38:48,840
it and feel free to tell us a full story

2105
01:38:48,840 --> 01:38:51,159
and SAY i don't want you to include, This, mike

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01:38:51,199 --> 01:38:52,039
AND i will leave it.

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01:38:52,079 --> 01:38:53,279
Speaker 4: Out, Yeah LIKE i.

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01:38:53,600 --> 01:38:55,680
Speaker 2: Don't care about the show as much as JUST i

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01:38:55,680 --> 01:38:57,960
would like to get, answers and even IF i know,

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01:38:58,079 --> 01:38:59,680
personally great for.

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01:38:59,760 --> 01:39:01,279
Speaker 3: Me and this is kind of like so a lot

2112
01:39:01,279 --> 01:39:04,079
of the cases we, do it's tough to like create

2113
01:39:04,119 --> 01:39:06,199
a connection with it because some of them happened so long,

2114
01:39:06,239 --> 01:39:09,840
ago and we're talking about people we have no connection

2115
01:39:09,920 --> 01:39:12,560
with it now because of you, here who has a

2116
01:39:12,600 --> 01:39:16,039
connection with some people close to. HER i feel like

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01:39:16,079 --> 01:39:17,680
we're going down the rabbit hole. Now AND i kind

2118
01:39:17,680 --> 01:39:18,680
of want to see this through to the.

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01:39:18,840 --> 01:39:21,720
Speaker 2: End and if something like that, HAPPENED i would want

2120
01:39:21,720 --> 01:39:23,680
someone to fight for me and be an. ADVOCATE i

2121
01:39:23,720 --> 01:39:25,199
think you said in the last, episode but there's no one

2122
01:39:25,239 --> 01:39:27,319
advocating for this except for friends and, family and it's going.

2123
01:39:27,359 --> 01:39:31,680
Nowhere so we HAVE i wouldn't argue the, responsibility but

2124
01:39:31,680 --> 01:39:33,520
we have reached now more so than when we.

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01:39:33,560 --> 01:39:33,960
Speaker 4: First saard this.

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01:39:34,000 --> 01:39:36,439
Speaker 2: Podcast we have nineteen thousand people On. Facebook if there's

2127
01:39:36,479 --> 01:39:39,039
some foul play, here even if he's left the, country,

2128
01:39:39,119 --> 01:39:41,840
whatever if we could open it up get and he,

2129
01:39:41,960 --> 01:39:44,479
did do, it shine light on it to the point

2130
01:39:44,520 --> 01:39:46,239
where maybe he's not gonna get, punished but you can't

2131
01:39:46,239 --> 01:39:48,560
come back to this country. ANYMORE i don't know who that,

2132
01:39:48,600 --> 01:39:50,840
helps but it'll be, Like, okay at least one less

2133
01:39:50,920 --> 01:39:52,560
injustice went completely.

2134
01:39:52,640 --> 01:39:55,119
Speaker 4: Unnoticed fine either.

2135
01:39:54,880 --> 01:39:57,239
Speaker 5: Way no matter what. HAPPENED i think there's questions out,

2136
01:39:57,239 --> 01:39:59,880
there and the, family the, friends the kids are just

2137
01:40:00,119 --> 01:40:01,359
or of answers to those.

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01:40:01,439 --> 01:40:03,640
Speaker 2: Questions, yeah and that's WHAT i would love to know that.

2139
01:40:03,680 --> 01:40:06,159
Too if there's people close to the, family where are the?

2140
01:40:06,239 --> 01:40:08,840
Kids where is he still out of the? Country last

2141
01:40:08,920 --> 01:40:11,079
the last POST i saw is he's leaving the? Country

2142
01:40:11,279 --> 01:40:13,239
is he? Gone is he not even in The United? States?

2143
01:40:13,239 --> 01:40:15,840
Anymore is he In kenya Or tanzania.

2144
01:40:15,359 --> 01:40:18,640
Speaker 4: Or wherever the heck they were? Going, Like, yeah there's

2145
01:40:18,640 --> 01:40:20,039
a lot more. QUESTIONS i.

2146
01:40:20,079 --> 01:40:22,119
Speaker 3: THINK i think we've got some more homework to do

2147
01:40:22,319 --> 01:40:25,159
and a lot OF foi. REQUESTS i really do think

2148
01:40:25,199 --> 01:40:27,279
that show or myself should reach out to.

2149
01:40:27,760 --> 01:40:31,039
Speaker 4: Local, yeah we're local news media in that.

2150
01:40:31,119 --> 01:40:33,840
Speaker 3: AREA i think this feels like one of those stories

2151
01:40:33,840 --> 01:40:37,239
that like your local like network news LIKE abc OR,

2152
01:40:37,359 --> 01:40:39,840
Nbc like it's something they would have if.

2153
01:40:39,760 --> 01:40:41,920
Speaker 2: We can get someone In Gig harbor to run a.

2154
01:40:41,960 --> 01:40:44,840
Speaker 3: Story so like You takoma, whatever The tacoma LIKE nbc

2155
01:40:44,960 --> 01:40:47,399
station or, hey you, know peeling the onion back on

2156
01:40:47,520 --> 01:40:51,479
this case of this lady that allegedly committed suicide and,

2157
01:40:51,520 --> 01:40:52,800
nothing nothing's adding.

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01:40:52,880 --> 01:40:54,920
Speaker 2: Up could You we have quite a few listeners In Gig,

2159
01:40:54,920 --> 01:40:57,039
harbor do we? Really that name has come up at

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01:40:57,119 --> 01:41:00,000
least twice With. Separate there's a lady who messages Him

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01:41:00,039 --> 01:41:02,399
facebook that lives, there like The washington area because it's

2162
01:41:02,720 --> 01:41:04,680
a small little, city but it's near all the other.

2163
01:41:04,720 --> 01:41:06,840
Speaker 4: Stuff so, yeah Like tacoma is a pretty big.

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01:41:06,880 --> 01:41:09,119
Speaker 2: Time, yeah we have listeners in that, area so if

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01:41:09,159 --> 01:41:11,560
they hear, this if you, know anything like we we've

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01:41:11,600 --> 01:41:12,199
gotten a.

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01:41:12,119 --> 01:41:13,479
Speaker 4: Lot more from a lot less.

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01:41:13,479 --> 01:41:17,680
Speaker 3: People and if you happen to work in local news, media.

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01:41:17,119 --> 01:41:20,000
Speaker 2: If you happen to be a news anchor And tacoma gig,

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01:41:20,000 --> 01:41:21,119
harbor please contact.

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01:41:21,239 --> 01:41:25,319
Speaker 3: Us but, NO i THINK i, think, yeah we're GONNA

2172
01:41:25,319 --> 01:41:27,319
i think we should reach out to the other agencies

2173
01:41:27,359 --> 01:41:30,319
involved in. THIS i think trying to maybe get anonymous

2174
01:41:30,359 --> 01:41:34,199
statements from other people commented on these social media, posts

2175
01:41:34,239 --> 01:41:37,359
AND i think maybe reaching out to local news media

2176
01:41:37,399 --> 01:41:40,760
to try to garner more at This at this, Point

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01:41:41,560 --> 01:41:45,880
i'm less interested about future podcast episodes and more interested

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01:41:45,920 --> 01:41:47,079
in trying to solve this.

2179
01:41:47,159 --> 01:41:49,960
Speaker 4: Case now it's just a solving it for future podcast.

2180
01:41:50,039 --> 01:41:53,800
Speaker 2: Episodes i'm gonna be. Honest i'm always gonna be. HONEST

2181
01:41:53,840 --> 01:41:55,720
i think this is good for the, podcast but it'll

2182
01:41:55,720 --> 01:41:56,520
also actually help.

2183
01:41:56,600 --> 01:41:57,920
Speaker 4: Somebody if we can do, both.

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01:41:57,960 --> 01:41:58,199
Speaker 5: Great.

2185
01:41:58,920 --> 01:42:01,079
Speaker 3: Yeah SO i think we're gonna have a little hias.

2186
01:42:01,159 --> 01:42:02,680
Here Maybe joe might be posting a.

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01:42:02,600 --> 01:42:05,520
Speaker 2: Couple i'll throw some stuff. TOGETHER i need to pick

2188
01:42:05,560 --> 01:42:08,920
up the. Slack i've been, Bad, Mike you've been doing.

2189
01:42:08,960 --> 01:42:12,359
Everything it's, okay all, Right so thanks again for tuning

2190
01:42:12,359 --> 01:42:14,399
into our. Show we appreciate. You all for listening and

2191
01:42:14,439 --> 01:42:16,760
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2192
01:42:16,840 --> 01:42:19,319
sure to like and follow us On, Facebook instagram And

2193
01:42:19,520 --> 01:42:22,600
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2194
01:42:22,640 --> 01:42:25,319
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2195
01:42:25,399 --> 01:42:27,960
There if you'd like to support us, monetarily visit Our

2196
01:42:28,000 --> 01:42:30,479
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2197
01:42:30,479 --> 01:42:33,239
go to our website YouTube. Now you can sign up,

2198
01:42:33,279 --> 01:42:36,199
right is like subscribe on. YouTube that membership on, YouTube

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01:42:36,319 --> 01:42:39,680
so that benefits us, financially so that can help us,

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01:42:39,680 --> 01:42:41,319
too and then you'll get exclusive stuff through.

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01:42:41,359 --> 01:42:42,000
Speaker 4: There, yep.

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01:42:42,079 --> 01:42:45,319
Speaker 2: Yep and just always remember when enjoying the beauty of,

2203
01:42:45,399 --> 01:42:49,159
nature whether, backpacking, camping or simply taking a, walk always

2204
01:42:49,199 --> 01:42:52,840
remember to leave no. Trace thank you and we will

2205
01:42:52,880 --> 01:42:54,199
see you all next.

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01:42:54,239 --> 01:42:54,520
Speaker 4: Time