WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.120 --> 00:00:55.479 Sss ssss sss. 2 00:01:00.479 --> 00:01:05.040 Welcome back midnight viewers to Fuseco fest. Oh man, it's 3 00:01:05.040 --> 00:01:07.400 been a minute, but now we're back. We're back in it, 4 00:01:07.599 --> 00:01:09.719 and I can't do it alone. I can't talk about 5 00:01:09.760 --> 00:01:12.480 John Fusco by myself. I need HP to do it 6 00:01:12.519 --> 00:01:12.799 with me. 7 00:01:13.519 --> 00:01:16.799 You just go fest this back, father Malone. I'm so excited. 8 00:01:16.879 --> 00:01:18.239 What are we digging into today? 9 00:01:18.799 --> 00:01:21.000 It's like spring break, man. I just want to fucking 10 00:01:21.079 --> 00:01:26.640 run around and drink beer from funnels and ride horses. 11 00:01:26.879 --> 00:01:29.239 That would be appropriate. What are we watching today? My 12 00:01:29.560 --> 00:01:33.799 god Man from March the fifth, two thousand and four, 13 00:01:34.159 --> 00:01:37.840 that was the release date, directed by Joe Johnston, written 14 00:01:37.879 --> 00:01:42.120 by John Fusco, starring Vigo Mortenson. Oh marsha reef, motherfuckers, 15 00:01:42.799 --> 00:01:44.319 this is Hidalgo. 16 00:01:45.920 --> 00:01:48.719 My father was a cowboy scout and you fell in 17 00:01:48.760 --> 00:01:56.760 love with the chief's daughter, Mariner. I was never really 18 00:01:56.760 --> 00:02:04.239 sure where I'm a Sometimes I think the only one 19 00:02:04.280 --> 00:02:07.400 I can count on, I said, though I've done me 20 00:02:07.480 --> 00:02:08.280 proud partner. 21 00:02:10.800 --> 00:02:14.560 Frank Hopkins and cauld all go or legends they've never 22 00:02:14.639 --> 00:02:18.639 lost a long distance race. Perhaps you have never heard 23 00:02:18.719 --> 00:02:23.800 of the Great Ocean of Fire, a three thousand mile 24 00:02:24.000 --> 00:02:26.240 race across the Arabian Desert. 25 00:02:27.520 --> 00:02:35.439 Were betting on the last American cowboy. You think we 26 00:02:35.560 --> 00:02:36.560 got one more on us. 27 00:02:39.400 --> 00:02:42.479 I'm greatly pleased that you've accepted my challenge. 28 00:02:43.280 --> 00:02:44.360 What breed is your study? 29 00:02:45.199 --> 00:02:46.360 Mustang? Mustang? 30 00:02:46.439 --> 00:02:48.840 Also the ready Indiet small mixed blood. 31 00:02:48.960 --> 00:02:52.159 Mixed mustangs don't belong in races with thoroughbreds. 32 00:02:52.199 --> 00:02:54.319 You can say that you are about me. I'm do 33 00:02:54.560 --> 00:02:54.879 have to. 34 00:02:54.879 --> 00:02:56.479 Ask you not to talk about my horse. 35 00:02:57.560 --> 00:02:59.400 Maybe we should give you a headstuff. 36 00:03:00.360 --> 00:03:03.400 I'm not here to insult anybody, sir, of course. 37 00:03:04.759 --> 00:03:13.960 Ms the race touchtone pictures presents Your horse is too small, 38 00:03:14.919 --> 00:03:16.520 This land is too dangerous. 39 00:03:17.439 --> 00:03:19.360 You are gambling with your very life. 40 00:03:20.319 --> 00:03:23.599 The incredible true story of a man who went halfway 41 00:03:23.639 --> 00:03:27.599 around the world to find himself. The Indians of the West. 42 00:03:27.879 --> 00:03:31.400 Have you seen their vanishing kind, armor, kind and the 43 00:03:31.520 --> 00:03:34.039 friendship that inspired a legend? 44 00:03:34.159 --> 00:03:36.159 And I'll go is the one who believes in you? 45 00:03:36.719 --> 00:04:16.240 Can you believe in yourself? Little wouldn't send. 46 00:04:01.800 --> 00:04:04.319 I didn't get you into this, You got me into it. 47 00:04:07.719 --> 00:04:07.960 HP. 48 00:04:08.919 --> 00:04:13.560 Yeah, was this your first experience with Hidalgo? 49 00:04:14.560 --> 00:04:17.040 This was the first time I saw it. In fact, 50 00:04:17.120 --> 00:04:20.160 I was in my mind. I thought this was a 51 00:04:20.199 --> 00:04:24.759 movie from the mid to late nineties. It had that 52 00:04:24.839 --> 00:04:27.160 feel to it. Maybe part of it is seeing that 53 00:04:27.439 --> 00:04:30.800 good old Touchstone Pictures logo at the beginning kind of 54 00:04:30.800 --> 00:04:32.360 put me in the mind of that. But yeah, this 55 00:04:32.480 --> 00:04:35.360 was my first I was surprised that this came out 56 00:04:35.399 --> 00:04:40.720 after Lord of the Rings, after Vigo Mortensen's star making 57 00:04:40.839 --> 00:04:44.439 turn as Aragorn. So I was shocked. I was shocked 58 00:04:44.720 --> 00:04:46.680 in a lot of ways, as we'll talk about. But yeah, 59 00:04:46.680 --> 00:04:47.639 this was my first time. 60 00:04:48.240 --> 00:04:51.439 I was a movie theater projectionist who showed this movie 61 00:04:51.879 --> 00:04:53.680 back in the day, back in two thousand and four. 62 00:04:54.000 --> 00:04:55.879 That's I was already in Las Vegas. So I was 63 00:04:55.920 --> 00:04:59.120 showing it at over at the Orleans back in the day, 64 00:05:00.040 --> 00:05:03.560 and because of that, I was convinced I had seen 65 00:05:03.600 --> 00:05:06.360 the movie. I had never seen this fucking movie. I 66 00:05:06.360 --> 00:05:08.839 couldn't believe I had never seen this movie. And now 67 00:05:08.879 --> 00:05:12.279 I remember building it up. I remember checking the cues 68 00:05:12.480 --> 00:05:15.480 and that the reels were all cut together, that the 69 00:05:15.519 --> 00:05:17.879 image looked good. I must have been really busy and 70 00:05:17.920 --> 00:05:19.680 not sitting in the theater watching it, and probably had 71 00:05:19.720 --> 00:05:21.680 a lot of prints to watch in one night and 72 00:05:21.759 --> 00:05:25.160 chose something else. Given that Iron Man came out the 73 00:05:25.199 --> 00:05:28.240 same weekend. I'm guessing I was paying attention to Iron Man. 74 00:05:28.839 --> 00:05:31.120 I'm really shocked. I thought for sure that this was 75 00:05:31.720 --> 00:05:33.560 something you'd seen forever ago. 76 00:05:34.439 --> 00:05:37.160 No, and shame on me, but I'm glad to have 77 00:05:37.240 --> 00:05:39.839 seen it for this And what was the story on 78 00:05:39.879 --> 00:05:41.879 this one? HP was the story of Hidalgo. 79 00:05:42.480 --> 00:05:46.600 So the story of Hidalgo father alone is an interesting 80 00:05:46.639 --> 00:05:50.319 one now here. As I recall, Disney got into a 81 00:05:50.360 --> 00:05:53.519 little bit of hot water about how they marketed this movie. 82 00:05:53.519 --> 00:05:56.920 This movie was marketed as being based on a true story, 83 00:05:57.319 --> 00:05:59.759 and I think technically that's true. That there was a 84 00:06:00.319 --> 00:06:05.360 named Frank Hopkins who was a long distance Mustang rider 85 00:06:06.240 --> 00:06:09.360 in the I guess it would be the eighteen hundreds, right, yeah, 86 00:06:09.439 --> 00:06:13.680 and he I think he performed in Buffalo Bill Cody's 87 00:06:13.680 --> 00:06:17.279 Wild West Show. Anyway, he was known as being like 88 00:06:17.319 --> 00:06:22.560 the king of the long distance marathon horse ride. And 89 00:06:22.759 --> 00:06:27.319 in the movie, A a sultant a chic takes a 90 00:06:27.399 --> 00:06:34.040 front at this this guy who races on a Mustang, 91 00:06:34.079 --> 00:06:37.360 which isn't considered a very regal or what's the word, 92 00:06:37.360 --> 00:06:40.160 I'm looking for, a very It didn't have the breeding 93 00:06:40.759 --> 00:06:45.600 that the stallions and Africa had, so he is recruited 94 00:06:45.839 --> 00:06:51.600 to race in this brutal cross consonant race. It goes 95 00:06:51.680 --> 00:06:56.000 through Iran and Iraq and the winner gets one hundred 96 00:06:56.040 --> 00:07:01.079 thousand dollars. But this is a race that not many 97 00:07:01.199 --> 00:07:05.040 people survive. I think dozens and dozens of people don't 98 00:07:05.079 --> 00:07:08.519 make it because you're crossing desert after desert there. 99 00:07:08.360 --> 00:07:12.120 Are it's three thousand miles. It's three thousand miles on 100 00:07:12.399 --> 00:07:17.560 horseback through the most inhospitable territory you could possibly imagine. 101 00:07:17.600 --> 00:07:19.920 This is a desert race. The race itself is called 102 00:07:20.120 --> 00:07:21.439 the Ocean of Fire. 103 00:07:22.000 --> 00:07:25.920 Yeah, sh of Fire. See. The problem though, is that 104 00:07:26.120 --> 00:07:30.160 very little of this is verifiable in real life. There's 105 00:07:31.040 --> 00:07:34.000 from what I gathered, there's precious little evidence that Frank 106 00:07:34.040 --> 00:07:36.839 Hopkins actually did. I don't even think this race truthfully 107 00:07:36.879 --> 00:07:39.160 actually existed. It did. 108 00:07:39.240 --> 00:07:41.160 They just didn't have a fanciful name for it. 109 00:07:41.600 --> 00:07:43.800 They didn't have a name for it. But the I 110 00:07:43.839 --> 00:07:47.959 think part of what doomed this movie originally, and maybe 111 00:07:48.000 --> 00:07:50.639 part of the reason why I wasn't that enthused at 112 00:07:50.680 --> 00:07:54.639 the time, was because there was such a backlash against 113 00:07:54.680 --> 00:07:56.480 this movie. I don't know if you recall for them 114 00:07:56.519 --> 00:08:02.319 alone but it was almost immediately slammed as how could 115 00:08:02.319 --> 00:08:05.160 you say this is based on a true story. This guy, 116 00:08:05.240 --> 00:08:09.199 Frank Hopkins was nothing but a charlatan or somebody who 117 00:08:09.279 --> 00:08:12.160 made up all of these things like a Baron Munchausen 118 00:08:12.279 --> 00:08:14.680 type of deal. These are tall tales, Jesus. 119 00:08:15.000 --> 00:08:18.680 I would invite everyone to watch any biographical pick from 120 00:08:19.079 --> 00:08:22.439 Time immemorial. Go back and watch Yankee Doodle Dandy and 121 00:08:22.480 --> 00:08:24.680 tell me how much of that was true? You morons? 122 00:08:25.439 --> 00:08:28.000 Well, I think if the Internet existed back then, they 123 00:08:28.040 --> 00:08:30.720 probably would have been debating the merits of Yankee Doodle 124 00:08:30.800 --> 00:08:31.720 Dandy excellent. 125 00:08:31.759 --> 00:08:32.159 I do you know? 126 00:08:33.039 --> 00:08:36.360 I know that that The backlash was so fierce that 127 00:08:36.720 --> 00:08:41.000 years later, John Fusco himself created a website, or at 128 00:08:41.080 --> 00:08:46.759 least contributed to a website which aimed to clap back 129 00:08:46.799 --> 00:08:49.320 at all of those people who said that it wasn't true. 130 00:08:49.799 --> 00:08:53.000 He had interviews with people who actually knew Frank Hopkins, 131 00:08:53.399 --> 00:08:56.320 and what is not what is not in dispute, is 132 00:08:56.360 --> 00:09:00.840 that the man was an incredible advocate for the much 133 00:09:00.879 --> 00:09:05.440 as John Fusco is, and he did do a lot 134 00:09:05.440 --> 00:09:08.000 of these horse races. He was known as a stellar 135 00:09:08.399 --> 00:09:11.440 long distance rider. Anyway, that's the plot of the movie. 136 00:09:11.480 --> 00:09:15.320 He's kind of recruited to do this hazardous three thousand 137 00:09:15.360 --> 00:09:17.960 mile race across the desert in Africa. 138 00:09:18.600 --> 00:09:21.919 Yeah see, I thought, I know that. I never saw 139 00:09:21.960 --> 00:09:24.039 the movie before because in my mind this was a 140 00:09:24.080 --> 00:09:28.039 movie about a guy who enters a camel race with 141 00:09:28.080 --> 00:09:34.000 a horse. I could not be more off the fact 142 00:09:34.039 --> 00:09:37.080 that these were all horses racing. I was like, I 143 00:09:37.120 --> 00:09:39.440 was stunned. I was like, where are the camels? I 144 00:09:39.480 --> 00:09:42.279 remember this having camels. Maybe there is a movie out 145 00:09:42.279 --> 00:09:45.480 there about a horse racing and a camel race that 146 00:09:45.519 --> 00:09:48.879 I've confused with Hidalgo. But yes, HP, I do remember 147 00:09:48.919 --> 00:09:50.879 all the controversy at the time, and who gives a shit? 148 00:09:51.120 --> 00:09:54.240 Are you kidding me? This is based on I agree 149 00:09:54.240 --> 00:09:58.000 with the I agree that if Disney were pushing that narrative, though, 150 00:09:58.120 --> 00:10:00.840 fuck them, like they should not have. Just how about 151 00:10:00.840 --> 00:10:04.240 come see this movie, Hidalgo. It's a rip roaring adventure 152 00:10:04.279 --> 00:10:08.879 in a traditional style, Like why does everything have to 153 00:10:08.919 --> 00:10:10.919 be based on something else? You notice the nineties were 154 00:10:10.960 --> 00:10:14.080 sort of lousy with that, particularly the late nineties. Of course, 155 00:10:14.120 --> 00:10:16.840 it's bled into two thousand and four. This movie comes 156 00:10:16.840 --> 00:10:20.440 out where everything has to be based on true events. 157 00:10:20.960 --> 00:10:24.440 I will go ahead and quote Roger Ebert's review of 158 00:10:24.480 --> 00:10:26.799 the movie, and I think this he's speaking for all 159 00:10:26.879 --> 00:10:29.799 of us spotting alone. The final line of his review is, 160 00:10:30.399 --> 00:10:34.919 and please ignore any tiresome scolds who complain that the 161 00:10:35.000 --> 00:10:39.480 movie is not really based on fact. Duh, And that's it. 162 00:10:39.559 --> 00:10:43.159 I basically he's doing the William Shatner Get a Life 163 00:10:43.200 --> 00:10:46.279 with You people, because it's beside the point. Is the 164 00:10:46.320 --> 00:10:50.399 movie fun? Did it transport you? Was it exciting? Was 165 00:10:50.440 --> 00:10:53.879 it action packed? Real? Frankly, I don't care about the rest, 166 00:10:53.919 --> 00:10:56.639 because anybody who believes that this is a word for 167 00:10:56.759 --> 00:11:00.919 word retelling of the man's life in accurate detail is 168 00:11:01.639 --> 00:11:05.120 fooling themselves or setting themselves up for a disappointment or worse. 169 00:11:05.480 --> 00:11:06.720 What's to think of the movie? 170 00:11:06.879 --> 00:11:09.639 I liked it. I liked it. I having said that, 171 00:11:09.679 --> 00:11:11.759 I don't I didn't think it was a perfect movie 172 00:11:11.799 --> 00:11:14.320 by any means that there were issues that I had 173 00:11:14.360 --> 00:11:18.480 with it, but overall I really liked it. I kind 174 00:11:18.480 --> 00:11:20.600 of wish there was more of the horse racing that 175 00:11:20.639 --> 00:11:24.200 gets a little derailed in the middle third of the movie, 176 00:11:24.720 --> 00:11:29.919 but look, it's Joe Johnston Number one. I love and 177 00:11:30.000 --> 00:11:32.240 I know you do. I love Joe Johnston. We're talking 178 00:11:32.279 --> 00:11:36.440 the Rockets here, We're talking Captain America. This guy knows 179 00:11:36.480 --> 00:11:40.080 how to shoot an old timey film serial. 180 00:11:40.919 --> 00:11:43.799 I think, oh my god, y absolutely, if you want 181 00:11:43.799 --> 00:11:46.840 something nostalgic, call Joe Johnson, because not only is he 182 00:11:46.879 --> 00:11:50.279 going to give you the nostalgia, he's gonna do it stylishly. HP. 183 00:11:50.840 --> 00:11:54.000 In the run up to watching this movie for this podcast, 184 00:11:54.279 --> 00:11:59.159 I actually avoided any information. I mean, I knew John 185 00:11:59.200 --> 00:12:01.279 Fusco wrote it. I knew Vigo is starring in it, 186 00:12:01.279 --> 00:12:02.960 and Amarsha Reef is in it, and I knew the 187 00:12:02.960 --> 00:12:05.480 basics of the plot and everything, but the actual minutia 188 00:12:05.519 --> 00:12:07.240 of who made the movie I didn't know. And there 189 00:12:07.240 --> 00:12:10.000 are no credits at the beginning. So I found myself 190 00:12:10.080 --> 00:12:14.360 over and over again thinking who fucking directed this? This 191 00:12:14.399 --> 00:12:18.279 is really solid, especially considering some of the other movies 192 00:12:18.360 --> 00:12:21.639 just here in Fuscofest we we saw The Babe, and 193 00:12:21.799 --> 00:12:25.559 that I thought was like, is the diametric opposite of 194 00:12:25.600 --> 00:12:28.200 this movie as far as shooting a movie as a 195 00:12:28.240 --> 00:12:31.360 period piece and making it look gorgeous as opposed to 196 00:12:31.960 --> 00:12:37.039 just we're wearing costumes on our freshly painted sets. This 197 00:12:37.120 --> 00:12:41.039 movie not only looks lived in, not only is just 198 00:12:41.240 --> 00:12:43.200 well acted and all of that kind of stuff, but 199 00:12:43.600 --> 00:12:46.159 there were a shot after shot that is just gorgeous. 200 00:12:46.200 --> 00:12:47.879 You never see a movie like this. You're never going 201 00:12:47.919 --> 00:12:49.879 to see a movie like this again. As a matter 202 00:12:50.000 --> 00:12:52.000 of fact, I agree. 203 00:12:51.840 --> 00:12:53.639 The vibe I got from it. Not to make a 204 00:12:53.679 --> 00:12:57.440 direct comparison, but it felt at times like Raiders of 205 00:12:57.559 --> 00:13:01.279 Lost Arc the original Raiders, because it really is at 206 00:13:01.320 --> 00:13:05.600 times a real swashbuckling type of adventure, which I really 207 00:13:05.679 --> 00:13:07.639 liked about it, and I think Joe Johnston placed with 208 00:13:07.759 --> 00:13:08.440 strengths there. 209 00:13:09.039 --> 00:13:12.519 Not only that as far as the sort of this 210 00:13:12.559 --> 00:13:15.159 movie delivering what you're not expecting, because I did get 211 00:13:15.159 --> 00:13:17.159 that vibe a lot the writers of Lost Arc vibe 212 00:13:17.159 --> 00:13:19.320 anytime it gets into a sort of rip rower and 213 00:13:19.440 --> 00:13:23.360 action adventury kind of situation. It Look, you know, Joe 214 00:13:23.440 --> 00:13:26.080 Johnson did Jumanji as well, so that's if you know 215 00:13:26.120 --> 00:13:28.519 he did The Rocketeer like this is, that's who we're 216 00:13:28.559 --> 00:13:31.360 talking about. If you haven't seen Hidalgo, so you know 217 00:13:31.480 --> 00:13:34.120 that he can sort of deliver it in that regard. 218 00:13:34.960 --> 00:13:38.360 But I've forgotten what on my point was what we were saying. 219 00:13:38.600 --> 00:13:43.399 We're we talk about Joe Johnston and how he how 220 00:13:43.399 --> 00:13:46.240 he delivers on a lot of different levels. 221 00:13:46.399 --> 00:13:49.799 Oh ok, yeah, not only that, So not only is 222 00:13:49.879 --> 00:13:52.879 Joe Johnson doing that, and well he's delivering what he 223 00:13:53.039 --> 00:13:59.080 always does. But this script was constantly defying my expectations. Man, 224 00:13:59.519 --> 00:14:03.000 this script is a lot of story. This is a 225 00:14:03.000 --> 00:14:06.440 two hour and fifteen minute movie, and I honestly did 226 00:14:06.440 --> 00:14:09.879 not feel it first of all, which is the hallmark 227 00:14:09.919 --> 00:14:12.000 of any good movie when you don't know the passage 228 00:14:12.000 --> 00:14:17.799 of time and it's freighted with a lot of emotion. Man, 229 00:14:18.399 --> 00:14:21.120 like the opening of this movie, now we said it 230 00:14:21.200 --> 00:14:23.840 like you kind of painted it in broad strokes. But 231 00:14:23.879 --> 00:14:26.639 like Frank Hopkins at the beginning of this film is 232 00:14:26.879 --> 00:14:31.440 a effectively a pony express rider who is running dispatches 233 00:14:31.480 --> 00:14:35.480 for the US military. So what they've said or Fusco 234 00:14:35.559 --> 00:14:37.559 has set him up here as the guy who has 235 00:14:37.600 --> 00:14:42.799 delivered the message to the seventh Cavalry Regiment to eliminate 236 00:14:43.320 --> 00:14:46.879 all of the Indigenous Lakota Sioux at the Wounded Knee massacre. 237 00:14:47.120 --> 00:14:49.919 He's the guy who delivered the message. It's basically like 238 00:14:50.120 --> 00:14:52.759 he's the fucking bombadier of the Anola. 239 00:14:52.440 --> 00:14:57.120 Gay exactly, but it's also freighted with the idea that 240 00:14:57.200 --> 00:15:02.000 he is much like we talked about Thunderheart previously, he 241 00:15:02.120 --> 00:15:05.120 is all you find out that he is also half 242 00:15:05.440 --> 00:15:10.759 Native American himself. So after having done this horrible thing, 243 00:15:11.559 --> 00:15:15.279 you know, unwittingly done this horrible thing, he's then saddled 244 00:15:15.320 --> 00:15:17.720 with all that guilt of what did he do to 245 00:15:17.759 --> 00:15:20.519 these people because he knew, Like he goes to the 246 00:15:20.679 --> 00:15:24.080 encampment where the cavalry is there and just waiting tensely 247 00:15:24.120 --> 00:15:26.720 and watching what these Native Americans are doing, and the 248 00:15:26.799 --> 00:15:30.240 Native Americans are doing like a tribal dance, and it's 249 00:15:30.279 --> 00:15:32.840 got them all on edge because they feel like this 250 00:15:33.000 --> 00:15:35.720 is going to lead to some kind of big uprising. 251 00:15:35.759 --> 00:15:39.159 They're just waiting, they're itching for something to happen here. 252 00:15:39.600 --> 00:15:43.480 And because he is familiar with the culture, when he 253 00:15:43.519 --> 00:15:45.080 gets there, the first thing he says is, though, if 254 00:15:45.080 --> 00:15:48.159 they're not preparing for war, this is a ghost dance, 255 00:15:48.279 --> 00:15:50.480 This is not this is nothing to be worried about. 256 00:15:50.799 --> 00:15:53.279 He knows that they're not a threat. But because he's 257 00:15:53.279 --> 00:15:57.159 delivered these orders and because of the has depicted in 258 00:15:57.159 --> 00:16:00.360 the movie, there's a misunderstanding with there's a Native American, 259 00:16:00.759 --> 00:16:03.559 a young Native American man who won't give up his 260 00:16:03.639 --> 00:16:06.200 gun when he's told to because you find out that 261 00:16:06.240 --> 00:16:08.960 he's deaf, and that kicks off like the powder keg 262 00:16:09.000 --> 00:16:11.840 of all. By the way, this is the first of many, 263 00:16:12.240 --> 00:16:14.879 if you'll indulge me in any interesting side notes. The 264 00:16:14.960 --> 00:16:18.279 Native American who doesn't give up his rifle, This deaf 265 00:16:18.399 --> 00:16:19.559 Native American. 266 00:16:19.279 --> 00:16:21.440 Good looking guy who is a good looking guy. 267 00:16:22.279 --> 00:16:26.720 The actor's name is David mid Thunder, which I'm sure 268 00:16:26.759 --> 00:16:29.399 will be familiar to you father alone, because he is 269 00:16:29.559 --> 00:16:33.720 Amber mid Thunder's father. Amber mid Thunder, of course, the 270 00:16:33.759 --> 00:16:39.320 badass Naarou in the incredible movie Prey, the Predator sequel 271 00:16:39.320 --> 00:16:42.600 that basically redefined the series. Isn't that cool? 272 00:16:42.960 --> 00:16:45.480 It's a fucking dynasty. I love it is. 273 00:16:45.840 --> 00:16:49.279 Yeah. The second I saw his name and his surname, 274 00:16:49.320 --> 00:16:52.320 I said, I wonder if he's related to Amber mid Thunder, 275 00:16:52.320 --> 00:16:54.159 And sure enough, he's her father. 276 00:16:54.200 --> 00:16:57.759 I thought that was the Barrymore's, the Arquettes, the mid Thunders. 277 00:16:58.840 --> 00:17:00.360 Indeed, where were we? 278 00:17:00.600 --> 00:17:00.799 Oh? 279 00:17:00.879 --> 00:17:06.480 Oh okay, yeah, listen that Fusco was able to sort 280 00:17:06.480 --> 00:17:10.279 of sneak in the Wounded Knee massacre in what is 281 00:17:10.400 --> 00:17:14.920 promised to be just a rollicking, old fashioned adventure across 282 00:17:14.960 --> 00:17:21.319 the desert is remarkable. And not only that he then 283 00:17:21.920 --> 00:17:25.480 follows it up with not only the character is now 284 00:17:25.559 --> 00:17:28.720 broken drunken period that he needs to be pulled out 285 00:17:28.759 --> 00:17:31.279 of that's sort of typical of any story like this, 286 00:17:32.240 --> 00:17:36.279 but he puts him in Buffalo Bill Cody's Wild West 287 00:17:36.319 --> 00:17:42.559 show enacting the Wounded Knee massacre. Holy God, it's like 288 00:17:42.640 --> 00:17:44.480 he's doing penance every night. 289 00:17:45.799 --> 00:17:48.160 I love that. First of all, we have to mention 290 00:17:48.279 --> 00:17:52.319 obviously that JK. Simmons is playing Buffalo Bill Cody. I 291 00:17:52.359 --> 00:17:54.200 didn't know that he was in this movie either, and 292 00:17:54.240 --> 00:17:57.240 I said, this is every new little tidbit that I'm watching, 293 00:17:57.279 --> 00:17:59.880 I'm going I love this fucking movie even more and more. 294 00:18:00.119 --> 00:18:02.839 But the way that that is depicted and written that 295 00:18:03.240 --> 00:18:07.319 like you said, he's doing penance every single night, and 296 00:18:07.359 --> 00:18:09.880 the way that they're being very even handed. They're showing 297 00:18:09.920 --> 00:18:13.920 how incredibly brutal and prejudicial and all of this that 298 00:18:14.039 --> 00:18:17.160 these Wild West shows are and depicting that the Native Americans, 299 00:18:17.359 --> 00:18:19.000 but they're kind of showing the other side of it 300 00:18:19.039 --> 00:18:24.960 that Buffalo Bill is actually like the chief who's acting 301 00:18:25.039 --> 00:18:28.880 in these shows who gets abused every time because he 302 00:18:28.960 --> 00:18:33.519 comes out basically symbolically to broker a treaty with the 303 00:18:33.559 --> 00:18:36.920 cavalry after wounded knee, and the crowd are throwing trash 304 00:18:36.920 --> 00:18:40.240 at him and booing him at every turn. The actor 305 00:18:40.359 --> 00:18:42.440 is tremendous. I don't have the actor's name here who 306 00:18:42.480 --> 00:18:45.480 plays this chief, but you see the other side of 307 00:18:45.519 --> 00:18:47.359 it where then the chief has to go and ask 308 00:18:47.480 --> 00:18:50.720 Buffalo Bill for help because he needs money and he's 309 00:18:50.759 --> 00:18:53.680 trying to help or save these mustangs that are going 310 00:18:53.720 --> 00:18:57.599 to be killed. I loved the even handed approach to 311 00:18:57.720 --> 00:18:59.599 because this is a two thousand and four movie. I 312 00:18:59.599 --> 00:19:02.440 didn't know to expect as far as how sensitive they're 313 00:19:02.440 --> 00:19:05.160 going to be towards the plight of the Native American. 314 00:19:05.759 --> 00:19:08.000 That was Floyd Red Crow Westerman. 315 00:19:08.160 --> 00:19:10.640 By the way, as from the Doors, he was the 316 00:19:10.680 --> 00:19:11.279 shaman in the. 317 00:19:11.279 --> 00:19:14.480 Doors, He absolutely was. He was. Yeah, he was the 318 00:19:16.480 --> 00:19:19.640 great Okay, yeah, so that was him. Also in I 319 00:19:19.680 --> 00:19:23.319 agree Buffalo Bill Cody's being performed by JK. Simmons. Is 320 00:19:23.359 --> 00:19:26.319 there never a role or is there ever a time 321 00:19:26.480 --> 00:19:28.720 when JK. Simmons shows up in a role where you 322 00:19:28.720 --> 00:19:30.759 don't immediately think, oh, perfect. 323 00:19:30.839 --> 00:19:33.640 He's amazing, and I just the fact. I mean, I 324 00:19:33.680 --> 00:19:35.720 know he was in OZ. I didn't watch OZ, but 325 00:19:35.759 --> 00:19:38.599 I know that was his big star making role. That 326 00:19:38.680 --> 00:19:41.279 must have already been what that was probably the early 327 00:19:41.319 --> 00:19:45.519 two thousands also, But frankly, I wasn't that aware of him. 328 00:19:45.759 --> 00:19:48.039 I was the nineties. He was already j Jonah Jamison 329 00:19:48.039 --> 00:19:48.400 by now. 330 00:19:49.079 --> 00:19:53.240 Oh Spider Man, of course, but it's just I was 331 00:19:53.279 --> 00:19:58.119 so because he's now, He's JK. Simmons. He's a big deal, 332 00:19:58.240 --> 00:20:00.880 so to speak. So it was really a delight to 333 00:20:00.920 --> 00:20:03.759 see him and others in this movie. But you're right, 334 00:20:03.920 --> 00:20:07.759 he just brings so much to every role. He's fantastic, 335 00:20:07.799 --> 00:20:12.359 whether it's something more sinister or someone more open hearted, 336 00:20:12.559 --> 00:20:13.440 he can do it all. 337 00:20:13.920 --> 00:20:16.880 I want to say that before we move on past 338 00:20:16.960 --> 00:20:19.640 the opening scene, because this is just all sort of 339 00:20:19.640 --> 00:20:24.880 prologue to the actual race. But playing Annie Oakley here 340 00:20:25.079 --> 00:20:30.039 was Elizabeth Barridge, who if eagle eye viewers would recognize 341 00:20:30.079 --> 00:20:34.119 her as Costanza or Stanzi from Amadeus, which he's so 342 00:20:34.359 --> 00:20:37.440 young and adorable in, and then she ended up as 343 00:20:37.480 --> 00:20:40.839 that girl on Night Court, you know, the bailiff, the 344 00:20:40.839 --> 00:20:45.880 bailiff with bull, the sort of pinched face kind of girl. 345 00:20:46.519 --> 00:20:50.480 Wow. Wow, I didn't put that together. That's amazing. The 346 00:20:50.519 --> 00:20:51.599 original Night Court. 347 00:20:52.000 --> 00:20:56.359 Yeah, that was Elizabeth Barridge. Geez, what happened to Elizabeth Barrett? 348 00:20:56.400 --> 00:20:57.920 She was fucking I don't know, man. 349 00:20:58.640 --> 00:20:59.880 And she's really good in this. 350 00:21:00.119 --> 00:21:01.359 She's gray here. 351 00:21:01.880 --> 00:21:04.480 She's not in it a ton. This is, as you said, 352 00:21:04.519 --> 00:21:08.559 this is all prologue to getting us to the race. 353 00:21:08.720 --> 00:21:11.960 But everybody up to this point, even somebody who's in 354 00:21:12.000 --> 00:21:15.119 it just a little bit like her, it's fantastic. They 355 00:21:15.160 --> 00:21:18.240 this movie is just stocked with great character actors. 356 00:21:18.599 --> 00:21:21.920 Now, speaking of prologue and character actors. Before we even 357 00:21:21.960 --> 00:21:25.680 got here, before we get to Wounded Me, we're introduced 358 00:21:25.680 --> 00:21:30.559 to Frank Hopkins in a race where he's racing a 359 00:21:30.559 --> 00:21:34.400 particular dandy I love this by the name of Preston Webb, 360 00:21:34.480 --> 00:21:37.559 that's the character's name. Who's all you know, a spit 361 00:21:37.640 --> 00:21:41.559 and polish and how dare you say? Your mixed race? 362 00:21:42.119 --> 00:21:45.599 Hoss played by c Thomas Howell. 363 00:21:46.440 --> 00:21:47.920 He's where did he come from? 364 00:21:47.960 --> 00:21:50.359 Where you see? Where did he come from? He's grained here. 365 00:21:51.359 --> 00:21:54.480 It's so jarring that he's here that I thought, clearly 366 00:21:54.519 --> 00:21:57.200 he's going to be in the rest of the movie. No, 367 00:21:58.039 --> 00:21:59.160 that's the one scene. 368 00:22:00.119 --> 00:22:02.920 I had the same reaction because it's essentially like a 369 00:22:02.960 --> 00:22:07.359 glorified cameo. He only has maybe two lines and a 370 00:22:07.359 --> 00:22:09.200 little bit of a dust up in a bar with 371 00:22:09.279 --> 00:22:12.359 Frank Hopkins where he gets his ass kicked, basically, but 372 00:22:12.440 --> 00:22:15.279 that's it. But it made me think, is there a connection? 373 00:22:15.440 --> 00:22:17.720 Is there some did he work with Joe Johnson or 374 00:22:17.759 --> 00:22:22.519 somebody else previously? And this was like his hey little cameo, 375 00:22:22.839 --> 00:22:25.480 a thing to like from one buddy to another. I 376 00:22:25.480 --> 00:22:27.640 couldn't think of it, but I thought it was awesome 377 00:22:27.680 --> 00:22:30.920 that he because who thinks of c Thomas Howell anymore, 378 00:22:30.960 --> 00:22:33.839 let alone twenty one years ago thereabouts. 379 00:22:34.240 --> 00:22:36.640 Oh, come on a couple of years from from this, 380 00:22:36.920 --> 00:22:40.160 he would be helping Spider Man in The Amazing Spider Man. 381 00:22:41.720 --> 00:22:44.400 I just I was delighted because, like you grew up 382 00:22:44.400 --> 00:22:46.799 with so many movies that he was in The Outsiders 383 00:22:46.880 --> 00:22:49.480 obviously that was the big one. So it was kind 384 00:22:49.480 --> 00:22:52.319 of it was jarring, and I had this the exact 385 00:22:52.359 --> 00:22:54.200 same reaction. I said, Okay, this is going to be 386 00:22:54.759 --> 00:22:58.960 one of Frank Hopkins antagonists. Nope, He's in it for 387 00:22:59.000 --> 00:23:02.319 about five minutes and he's gone onto the next adventure. 388 00:23:02.720 --> 00:23:05.799 Indeed. But and okay, so you mentioned it that this 389 00:23:05.880 --> 00:23:11.559 movie is predicated on a slight basically that the claim 390 00:23:11.599 --> 00:23:14.440 has gone out that Frank Hopkins horse is the fastest 391 00:23:14.480 --> 00:23:18.279 and longest distanced running horse in the world, and a 392 00:23:18.440 --> 00:23:21.480 chic around the world has taken umbrage with this and 393 00:23:21.519 --> 00:23:24.319 has invited him to join the race and prove it. 394 00:23:24.359 --> 00:23:26.920 Put up her shot up. Basically, it's one thousand dollars 395 00:23:26.920 --> 00:23:29.839 basically and a thousand silver coins with one hundred thousand 396 00:23:29.880 --> 00:23:33.680 dollars perse so the all of the wild West show 397 00:23:33.759 --> 00:23:36.119 people one hundred of them or so. Pony up ten 398 00:23:36.480 --> 00:23:41.440 silver coins and off he goes, where he meets immediately 399 00:23:42.240 --> 00:23:46.960 Malcolm McDowell. Another shock. I was like, what he's uncredited 400 00:23:46.960 --> 00:23:47.200 in this? 401 00:23:47.319 --> 00:23:47.599