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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Gods I View podcast. I am your host, Trevor.

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You guys, I'm doing it. I'm taking my first honest

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to god vacation in my adult life. Nothing too crazy,

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one full day. I'm taking one full day off, two nights,

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one full day off to lay in a pool with

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my kids and my wife at an airbnb an hour

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from home. Some people go to Italy for three weeks.

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I go up the road for thirty six hours. But hey,

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you know what, no complaints. I think the goal is

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to make your working life your average day kind of

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like a vacation in the sense that you're choosing to

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do the things you do. That's the dream, right, That's

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the goal, and I'm closer than most to that, I think.

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I mean, you know, money would be nice, but you know,

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don't have any of that. That's fine, but I do

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have a lot of flexibility and freedom. Now there is

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always that looming fear that that other shoe could drop

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and it would all be over, lose my job, have

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to start auditing health records for some evil insurance company

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or something to pay the bills. But for the moment,

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doing okay. I hope you're doing okay. I hope you're

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not stuck under some the boot of some bureaucracy, some

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corporate overlord. I hope you're free, or as free as

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you can be, all things considered. Anyway, I was listening

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to the old podcast app and I came across a

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great episode with our friend. His name's Thomas Campbell, my

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big toe author former. They really hype up the former

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NASA scientist thing. But hey, I mean, so would I

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if I was a NASA scientist, I'd probably I'd go

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get coffee and say, hey, my name's Trevor, former NASA scientist.

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Can I have an Americana please? So I get it.

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He's an older guy. He was doing cool research early

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early days. I knew he was a big like information

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theory guy, kind of had some ideas like John Wheeler.

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John Wheeler came first, but very cool, very interesting guy.

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What I didn't know is that he was a big

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part of the early Monroe Institute stuff before before Monroe

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is it Bob Monroe actually became the Monroe Institute guy.

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He was doing research with Thomas Campbell and someone else

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on astral projection EEG. While being exposed to various electrical

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currents and just like the early days of this kind

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of weird. I don't know what you would call it.

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Would you call it parapsychology, He's I don't think I

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ever called it that. He kind of saw himself as

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a mainstream physicist, and then he went on to write

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this cool book. So it reminded me of an episode

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I did on a different show a long time ago

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that I did with my good friend Alfredo. I think

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that show might be over. Podcasting isn't for everybody, you know,

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it takes a special kind of masochism to want to

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do work for free and just record your thoughts. You know,

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you've got to be a special kind of messed up

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to want to do that. So hopefully, hopefully we get

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that going again. I don't know. It's it's tough, especially

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too if you don't have time to prepare for the shows.

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You're just kind of winging it. It's difficult. It's difficult,

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but hey, I enjoy it so anyway, So I'm here

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and I thought I might kind of redo that and

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play some bineural beats for you guys. Talk about some

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of the more mainstream aspects to it, some of the

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more fringe aspects to it and then really just explore

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Thomas Campbell's theories because they're actually pretty similar to I mean,

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I wrote this book and I just sort of bootstrapped

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these ideas. You know, I had no formal anything. I

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had some formal training in neuroscience, but that's not really

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what the book was about. And so I didn't mention Thomas.

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But my interpretation of him was that he was kind

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of considered like very fringe, and so I didn't want

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to contaminate things. You know, come to find out, his

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beliefs basically perfectly mirror mine. So what as I say

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about my beliefs. I guess he comes to very different

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conclusions about the nature of reality and stuff. But anyway,

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so I should probably read his book, but I've watched

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a lot of his interviews. I have a pretty good

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sense for what he's all about. So let's start with

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the buy by is it binural b neural? How do

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you say this binural? Binural beats? Maybe before we get

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to binural beats, let's talk about brain wave entrainment. So

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you can throw some electrodes on the scalp and measure

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sort of the accumulative electrical oscillations of your brain. Now,

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each neuron is capable of generating many different electrical signals

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called graded potentials and action potentials. You can have sub

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threshold potentials you get once threshold has crossed in certain

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parts of the cell membrane, you can have action potentials.

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These are these big reversals and membrane potentials. So first

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let me just what is membrane potential. So we have

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these cells called neurons, and many other cells do this too,

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I think nearly whole cells actually. But we have these

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cells called neurons and they have a semi permeable cell membrane.

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and charged particles cannot, like ions like sodium ions, potassium ions,

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calcium ions, and so there are channels. There are channels

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transmembrane proteins that are like little tunnels through this lipid

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wall that forms the wall of the cell the neuron.

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In this case, there's little tunnels that these ions can

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move through, and ions move down their concentration gradient. Now

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there are also pumps. For example, there's a sodium potassium pump.

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It pumps sodium out and it pumps potassium in. Because

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this pump is always operating in because there are so

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many of these pumps in any given neuron. The inside

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of the neuron has ten times more potassium than the outside,

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and the outside of the neuron has ten times more

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sodium than the inside. So the outside there's tons of sodium,

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the inside there's tons of potassium. So while this is

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all being actively pumped, it builds the steep concentration gradients.

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So ask yourself, where does the potassium want to go?

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You know, it's like being at a party. It's just packed.

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You can't move. What are your instincts? Tell your instincts

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tell you to get out of here. Find the nearest exit, right,

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And so the same thing is happening to potassium. There's

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tons of potassium and it is trying to get out

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of the cell. Well, good news, there are these tunnels

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just for potassium. The only potassium can go through. And

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so it leaves. It's continuously leaving, It's continuously leaving, and

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is continuously pumped back in, continuously pumped back in. But

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this process of potassium leaving, it drags along all these

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negatively charged proteins and anions and things right up to

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the inner wall of the membrane, and there's a ton

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of potassium now outside because it's constantly drifting out right.

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So what happens is the inside of the neuron, not

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the whole neuron, but just the layer, just the interface

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between the inside of the neuron and the outside, becomes

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positively charged. So at rest in a neuron, it's did

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positive on the outside. The resting memborane potentials about maybe

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negative seventy negative ninety varies. And so if you were

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to open some channels that allowed sodium in, remember there's

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tons of sodium outside the cell, sodium would russian and

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this big sodium cascade would trigger a series of events

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which would actually transmit this electrical signal all the way

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down the axon. We would go all the way down

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the axon, a neurotransmitter would be released, and same thing

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might happen in the next surn. Anyway, it gets complicated,

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but this is a general idea. You're Neurons are these

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little electrically active, electrochemically active switches that can be switched

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on and off by stimulus. And you know, a neuron

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could do ten twenty forty one hundred action potentials per

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second that can oscillate at various frequencies. And then collectively,

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if we zoom way out and look at the billions

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and billions and billions of electrically active cells in your brain,

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we can measure that sort of some electrical signal and

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it oscillates. And these oscillations are called brain waves. And

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there's data waves and delta waves and gamma waves, right,

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and these are just all different frequencies. And you know,

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one part of your brain might be giving off waves

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in one frequency band and a different part in a

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different band. And there's all sorts of studies to study this.

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You know, does exercise change it? Does laughter change? It?

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Does chocolate change?

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Speaker 2: It?

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Speaker 1: Does? I've helped with some of these studies collecting data.

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I've never been a co author on any of these.

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There is a guy at my graduate school who's really

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into this. Anyway. I don't know a ton about it,

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to be honest, but I know a bit. And so

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you can measure these EEGs. Well, a study came out,

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or a series of studies came out that showed that

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if you expose let's go even farther back. What we

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figured out is that your brain waves will entrain with

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external stimuli. So if there's a light bulb flickering ten

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times per second, your brain, particularly your eccipital lobe where

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all that sensory input comes in, also mirror that frequency.

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is true for auditory stimulus. I kind of have this

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idea that it could even be true for vibratory stimulus.

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Like they have these vibration plates you can stand on,

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and the part of the brain that gets activated kind

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of correlates to the stimulus. You know, if it's a sound,

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like if it's a ten hurtz sound, it's your temporal lobes,

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if it's a ten hertz visual stimulus, it's your eccipital lobe.

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I would think vibration could affect your pridal lobes. I

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don't know what would have affect your frontal lobes. But anyway,

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so your brain and trains, it matches, it synchronizes with

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the rhythm of the stimulus that it's exposed to a

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bit you know, not entirely, but it's very clear. No

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one denies this. It's widely accepted. This is not like

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a French thing. Well, some folks, a bunch of different

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groups actually some mit some of some other places to

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studies showing that forty hertz auditory and visual stimuli cleared

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different Alzheimer's disease proteins. I don't remember if it was

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amoid or tower both and stimulated the type of immune

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cell called microglia that's only in your brain, and it

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did some others and improved, and then in adults have

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done studies it improves cognition. It's pretty much accepted that

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a forty hrtz visual stimulus or or visual and auditory

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stimulus is good for your brain for Alzheimer's disease in particular.

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So there's some work going into this. It's not curative,

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it's you know, it's just statistically significant. But it's not like,

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it's not crazy. I think it'd be cool to make

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light bulbs forty hertz in like senior living facilities, but

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I don't know. Forty hertz is right on that range

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where you can tell it's blinking sort of, you know,

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and so I don't know if you'd really want that,

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but phones, it would be cool to set the forty hertz.

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Do you know, do a sudoku at forty hertz visual stimulus.

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It's got to be good for you. This kind of

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it's a cognitive load plus a stimulus. Anyway, so this

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is pretty cool. Now you can do that by just

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playing a forty hertz sound and I'll play what that

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sounds like. Now, Oh, I don't actually have just a

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raw forty hertz. Sorry. You can do that by playing

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forty hertz, or you can do that by playing some

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bass frequency, say one hundred hertz, and then also simultaneously

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playing out of a different channel, so out of your

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right speaker instead of your left speaker a one hundred

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and forty hertz sound, So you have a one hundred

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herts and one hundred and forty hertz playing out of

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different channels of your laptop or your headphones. Headphones are better,

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and you're your brain picks up on the differential because

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on one side of your head you have forty HRTs

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coming or one hundred hurts. On the other side you

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have one hundred and forty herts, and you end up

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hearing a forty hertz sound even though you're not technically

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listening to a forty herts sound you're listening to a

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one hundred and one hundred and forty, but the convergence

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of the waves in your mind registers as forty herts.

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So I'll play that now. This is what that sounds like.

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Do you feel it? Are you driving and you just

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lost control?

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Speaker 2: Oh?

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Speaker 1: My voice sounds weird? Meditate a little bit, close your eyes.

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What do you think was that cool?

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Speaker 2: I don't know?

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Speaker 1: Sounding cool on my headphones. If I wonder if you're

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you still have a left channel and a right channel,

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so it should still work, or if your phone's on speaker,

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it's just still work. But headphones are cooler anyway. So

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agey world as like doing something to your brain that

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maybe opens you up to certain things like deep meditation

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or astral projection whatever that means. You know, it's this

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is now we're in the woo woo spooky spooky stuff.

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that and he worked with Monroe and they had this idea.

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on to develop this HEMI sync I date idea. There's

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a CIA paper about it. It wasn't actually the CIA

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who investigated it. Those I think the Army sent people

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to this institute and did it, and they wrote up

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this really bizarre paper that is insane. These CIA papers

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are ridiculous. Sometimes I wonder like is this serious. I

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can't tell, Like do they mean it? Is this a joke?

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refractory waves coming from the bifurcation of the aorda into

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the common iliac arteries, and this is a real thing.

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I mean, they start talking about your heart rate and

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you can get this resonant frequency with the bineral wave

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and your whole body can sort of go into this

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like four hertz oscillation. They did four herts, not forty

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forty's for Alzheimer's. They did four herts, And it's a

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little bizarre. It's a little bizarre. So years ago I

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had downloaded a one hundred hertz clip off YouTube in

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a one hundred and four hertz clip off YouTube, and

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then I set the one hundred hurts to left channel

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and the one hundred and four hurts to right channel

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in audacity, and I played that on a show years ago,

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a different show, and it was just kind of fun

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because because like you almost don't believe it's two different

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sound waves, but it sounds like it's just one thing.

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was really cool. Unfortunately I can't find those clips. I

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did find one hundred herts on YouTube, so this is

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one hundred hertz. So now if I play that same

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thing with a one hundred and four hurt sound on

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top of it, it sounds like this. So this is

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the one. If you uh were into is a Macromay

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nineteen seventies, the arn plant holder stuff. You're into macrima

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and beads and maybe did mushrooms. Every once in a

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while you could drive up to a place called the

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Monroe Institute and they would teach you how to meditate

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while listening to this, and you would transcend space and

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time and encounter the entities. Now I'm not mocking it.

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I'm mocking it a little for my own credibility in

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case somewhat important ever listens to this I'm leaving. I'm

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being very skeptical, and in reality, I've listened to a

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lot of interviews of people who've gone to this place,

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and I don't know, I'm not sure, but you can.

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of just like close your eyes. If you're driving, maybe

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stop first, but close your eyes. If you're doing dishes,

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just put put the dishes down, put the fork down.

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If you're walking, don't trip and just listen. Listen to this.

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And I don't really know what meditate means, but this

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almost makes me feel like I could do it. Here

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we go ten seconds. Did you encounter any entities? Yeah,

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so I don't know. To me, it just sounds like

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a cool sound, you know. But apparently the claim is

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that with practice and maybe certain proclivity, like if you

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have a predilection for this, you might be able to

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do something I guess become pure consciousness, maybe inhibit your

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frontal lobe. Maybe that's what's going on, have like an

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ego dissolution. Who knows. Anyway, it's kind of fun. So

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I thought we'd listen to a little bit of Thomas Campbell.

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Speaker 2: Does this this get all hung up over that?

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Speaker 1: Sorry? I should mention I'm an hour and twenty minutes

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in the biner O beat. Stuff has already passed, and

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so we're kind of switching subjects to his take on physics.

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He is a physicist, and so this is his take

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on physics.

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Speaker 2: How does the probability distribution collapse into a particle? Yes, well,

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probability is mathematics. It doesn't collapse into part So that's ridiculous.

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But that's a good metaphor for what they see happening.

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Speaker 1: I love this because I've never I've never really liked

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the idea that a lot of physicists have that, you know,

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the probability wave is collapsing, because I don't. I don't

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really know what that means. And because probability is a map, right,

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It's a It's an explanation of how reality works, like

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what are the odds of reality looking in a certain way.

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To me, I've never really understood how probability could collapse.

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So I have never really liked the metaphor, and I've

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really never liked the fact that they don't treat it

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like a metaphor. They treat it like this is actually

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what's happening. And so right off the bat. I kind

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of enjoyed, enjoyed that, so let's keep going.

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Speaker 2: But it isn't a real thing. What's actually happening? And

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this is a probability calculation. It's not a bottoms up

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you know, make the little particles that make your particles

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that you know, it's not that kind of thing. That's

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the way physicists imagine it, because that's how they would

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make a model. You know, I start from the bottom

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and work up. It's a deterministic model. This is a

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probabilistic model. It's much more efficient. Wasn't this a thesis

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of your your twenty seventeen paper, Well, you compare coping

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interpretation in many worlds and then there's the was it

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the Norman Wigner? Yeah, but it is twenty seventeen. Yeah,

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it's based on this es the conscious is fundamental. Yes,

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this is all about information and yes, indeed, so what's

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actually happened and the way the system finds out what

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happens next? See, in the deterministic model, you know what

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happens next, It happens because of all these other things

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that happened before it. Right, in a probabilistic model, how

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do you know what happens next. You don't have that determined,

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so that what happens is you you take a random

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draw from a probability distribution of the possibilities. Now that's

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not a random draw from the possibilities that would jump

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all over. It's a random draw from a probability distribution

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of the possibilities, which means the things that are more

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probable or more likely to be drawn. Things that are

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less probable. They can still be drawn because it's a

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random draw. But there's one chance in a million you'll

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draw that one, and on one chance, maybe you know

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in two that you'll draw this one. So that's how

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it determines what happens next. I think proved that it Well,

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that solves all the big paradoxes. Yes, you know you can.

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Ser Cat was a little bit of a paradox. It

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was kind of a tongue in cheek thing of him

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showing how bizarre the whole thing was, and the you know,

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the the physicists don't understand where these particles that are

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just probability distributions, and why does it come here instead

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of there? You know, they all have probabilities, but it's

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a random draw from the probability distribution of the possibilities,

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so anything's possible. And one of the ways I try

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to explain this to people is, let's say you have

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a telescope and it can look further. So nobody's ever

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seen what's there before, so it's new. It's something new,

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something unknown. Or you turn on the scope and there

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could be say ten thousand things out there in outer

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space who knows, you know, red dwarfs, sure, supernos and

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anything could be there. So there's a probability distribution. Some

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things are more probable than others. And when that telescope

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gets turned on, that random draw is taken from that

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probability distribution of the possibilities, and that's what he sees.

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So it's not like there's something out there that is

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this way or not this way. What's out there gets

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decided on that random draw. That's how reality is created.

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It's information. Now, after he sees that and he takes

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his picture and he publishes his paper, anybody else looks

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at that same spot, they'll see that same thing because

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once it comes into the reality, it stays here, and

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now somebody's going to look next to it. But now

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the probabilities, the possibilities are different because we know what

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it's in here, and that will affect the probabilities of

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what's next to it. You say, so, then that.

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Speaker 1: There's a sorers muted. There's a physicist I forget his

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first name, and his last name is Wigner, and he

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had a lot of different theories, and he was kind

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of into the mind body problem, and he sort of

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had a lot of thought experiments. In theoretical physics, there's

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a lot of experiments too, but there's a lot of

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thought experiments, like a lot of it's almost like philosophy,

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you know. And anyway, he had this idea like, okay,

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say you have a quantum system of unknown outcome. Let's

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let's say someone is going to click a button that

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measures the spin of a photon, and so it's either

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in an upspin or a downspin. And let's say he

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pushes that button and it's in an upspin. But now

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a mad that outside of that lab is another box, right,

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and there's another observer about to open the window and

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see the outcome of the quantum experiment. The question is

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why wouldn't that second observer occasionally get a different solution

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to the outcome of the quantum system than that first observer.

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I think, I don't know. I read these things and

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I'm always pretty confused. I think that's what it is,

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and it's reasonable, right, because if we're sampling a probability distribution,

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this random draw, it's not actually random, right, it's not

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a random draw it so it's a probabilistic draw. We're

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just using the word random as shorthand you know there there,

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Let's say, you know, there is a certain probability of

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either outcome. Now, in the case of a photon is

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fifty to fifty, But any quantum system could have a

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particular outcome. They might be a continuous outcome, you know,

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it could be an integer between zero and infinity, right,

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or it could be like a binary outcome, like an

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up or a down. But anyway, you get the point.

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There's some outcome and it's probabilistic, and you click a button,

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you take the measurement, and you have a certain probability

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of getting either measurement. Well, why wouldn't that apply to

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the second observer. He's outside the lab, he's about to

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measure the photon again, but he maybe he does, so

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I forget the exact how it works. But he measures

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it again. Why couldn't he get a different answer. It

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seems to violate the principle because he will never get

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a different answer. He will always get that same answer.

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So it kind of seems to violate the idea that

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the outcome of quantum events is probabilistic and each time

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you measure it, you know you could potentially get a

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different outcome. And the thing is the issue is or

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the answer I guess is that once you measure the thing,

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its state becomes definite, not probabilistic. And so the thought

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experiment is called Wigner's Friend, Like, will Wigner's friend outside

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the lab always get the same measurement as Wigner who's

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in the lab taking the measurement, And I think the

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answer is yes. And so it goes some way to

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explaining the stability of the world around us, because once

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something is observed, when something is pulled into definite existence

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in space and time, it's sort of locked there. Now.

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I guess the question is if everyone leaves and it's

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no longer being measured, it could sort of resume this

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undefined state, like an electron or something. It's all very

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difficult to make sense of. But it's kind of a

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cool idea because to me, what it implies is that

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there is a certain There is a certain the belief

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seems to play a role. Now, I don't like the

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words they use. They use words like intention. He uses

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very new age words manifestation. I don't think that's what

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it is, because I don't think it's about intent. You know,

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no matter how badly I want something to happen. Well,

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people might disagree with this, but no matter how badly

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I want something to happen, I'm not going to make

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it happen. But what if I, like, genuinely believe something.

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I think maybe I could influence probabilistic outcomes that are

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able to be influenced, Right, Like if ten people are

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looking at a car and I really believe that the

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car's white, I can't make it white because it's definite,

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it's in space and time, it's observed.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: But I do wonder, like going back to stuff we

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talked about recently, like these random event generators, like if

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there is a true outcome, that the outcome is unknown

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to anyone or anything, I influenced that. And I mean

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it does seem like I could, right, based on some

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of the evidence. But so it's pretty cool. It's pretty

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interesting stuff. Let's listen to a few more minutes, and

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then I got to pack up and get out of here.

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Speaker 2: This picture is taken and it has to be consistent

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with what you already know. So there's a certain you

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know that changes the distribution. Now, one of the very

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most interesting things about this idea is that this probable

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this you know, what do we call it?

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Speaker 1: Oh? My podcast app just froze? Did I forget to

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pay my internet bill? Well, the decision might be made

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for us. We might might be done with Thos Cannibal. Huh.

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Well that's too bad, because if I remember correctly, it

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was about to get interesting. Well, we can pick this

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up another time. That's fine, we'll wrap up. I hope

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you guys are doing good. I've received zero emails about

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microtubule questions, So come on, guys, come on, surely sure?

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Oh I think I was supposed to talk about that

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more of this episode. Oh my bad. We'll do that

474
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next time. But we need more. We need questions. We

475
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need questions about microtubules, Questions about microtubules as the physical

476
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structure that mediates conscious experience. It is the thing that

477
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provides us with this incredible first person perspective that our

478
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brains seem so intent on providing us with. M What

479
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do you think? What are some experiments we might do?

480
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What are some questions we might ask? Please email me

481
00:30:42,839 --> 00:30:47,039
at God's I view book at gmail dot com. As

482
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we wind this down, let's get a nice little background music.

483
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Here you go. I want you guys to all have

484
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a good week out there. This is funny. I want

485
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you guys to have a good week. I want you

486
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to be kind to your fellow man. If your boss

487
00:31:02,839 --> 00:31:08,279
is a jerk, just ignore them, Just ignore them, just

488
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live life the way you want to live it. You

489
00:31:12,519 --> 00:31:15,079
do need some ultimate source of authority, though you know

490
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you can't just rely on your own will. I do

491
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think you need to submit to something and then just

492
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live your life according to that standard. Your boss says, hey,

493
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we need to do this shady thing. I think you

494
00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:34,759
just say no, I'm not gonna do it, and then

495
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when you're fired, living homeless in the street, I will

496
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deny that I ever said that. When the lawsuits inevitably

497
00:31:43,880 --> 00:31:50,119
come to recoup your lost earnings, I will wholeheartedly deny

498
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:55,359
saying that. And actually you'll have evidence because this is recorded,

499
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So I'm gonna fully disclaim now that I'm just joking.

500
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Everything in the show is a joke. My views do

501
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not represent the views of my employer. They don't even

502
00:32:03,839 --> 00:32:10,240
necessarily represent my own views. It's very mysterious. Why don't

503
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you guys just stay safe out there, try to have

504
00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:19,880
a good week. Oh, we do have an update. We

505
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have some genius listeners out there and one of them

506
00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:26,839
is working on a photonic quantum random event generator for us.

507
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So the dog bacon experiment is still on the table.

508
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If you don't remember what I'm talking about. Our vision

509
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was to take a creature with an underdeveloped frontal lobe

510
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compared to a human, like a dog, and see if

511
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they have the ability to influence the outcome of a

512
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random event generator. Hypothetically they would, because the study that

513
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we talked about showed that if you inhibited certain regions

514
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of the frontal lobe, people could influence the outcome of

515
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a random event generator. And so there's no need to

516
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do that in a dog, right because it's already underdeveloped.

517
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That's the hypothesis. So how could we test the ability

518
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of a dog to influence random outcomes? This is so ridiculous.

519
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:24,039
I hope no one listens to this episode. We would

520
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take a string on a spool. We would translate the

521
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outcome the one hundred bits per second outcome of the

522
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random event generator to that spool. If there are more ones,

523
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it would lower, it would elongate. If there are more zeros,

524
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it would shorten. We would suspend the bacon from the

525
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center of a room and let in five dogs. Could

526
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their collective desire lower the bacon. I'm gonna turn this off. Sorry,

527
00:33:56,319 --> 00:33:59,079
here's the problem. I think the issue is the dog

528
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has to believe the bacon would be lowered, and I

529
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don't know if they have that cognitive capacity. So maybe

530
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we'll try it on humans first. I guess we don't

531
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need the bacon. We'll just do We'll play pong, we'll

532
00:34:10,159 --> 00:34:13,239
hook we'll hook two random event generators up to two

533
00:34:13,320 --> 00:34:17,519
pong paddles, and then we just yeah, we do need

534
00:34:17,559 --> 00:34:21,920
to fry our frontal lobe somehow. Maybe we'll do hemi sync.

535
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Is hemi sync is a binural beats inhibit frontal lobe

536
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question mark, google, no oh. Depending on the frequency, though

537
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they can modulate either increase or decrease activity and connectivity

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in the front regions. For example, forty hertz. Here's a reminder.

539
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This would stimulate your frontal lobe. Do you feel it?

540
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Are you present? Are you fully self aware, drawn to

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the present moment, and confident in your agency?

542
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Speaker 2: All right?

543
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Speaker 1: So that's forty herds that would enhance focus. Makes sense.

544
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That kind of woke me up. If you want to

545
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inhibit the frontal lobe, you might try four hurts to

546
00:35:14,159 --> 00:35:16,039
hate hurts, so you can entrain the brain to slow

547
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down and may temporarily suppress higher rousal activity in the

548
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frontal lobe. A lot of maze and maybes. So here's

549
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the frontal lobe inhibitor. Ready, let's see if we if

550
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we have ego dissolution. Yeah, I feel it. I don't know.

551
00:35:38,800 --> 00:35:43,800
I'm just having fun. Guys. I suspect there probably is

552
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something important to all of this. I'm not I'm not

553
00:35:47,119 --> 00:35:49,519
belittling it. I think it's it's cool. It's just it.

554
00:35:49,639 --> 00:35:53,480
It just seems to escape the scientific method, you know,

555
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So we gotta be careful. We need to move forward

556
00:35:57,239 --> 00:36:01,920
with caution because lots of people have believed all sorts

557
00:36:01,960 --> 00:36:05,679
of crazy things that end up just being ridiculous. Right,

558
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So it's tempting as it is to dive right in.

559
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I am skeptical, but also I don't know. I wouldn't

560
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be surprised if if there is something important here, So

561
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maybe we'll explore this further. Let me know email Gods

562
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I viewbook at gmail dot com. Until next time, stay

563
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safe out there, have fun, God bless