Speaker 1: Tuesday NHL bets for December ninth. Welcome to puck Time
on wager Talk TV. Andrew Carmine and the pres here
to kick things off. We've got bl joining us here
in a little while, looking forward to a great, great show,
a bigger slate of course here Today on a Tuesday,
started off as a slow night for me. Then we
cashed an NFL ticket and then we catch the Red
Wings team total overall, feeling motivated going into today. Guys
love this slate a lot more than yesterday. But carm
what games did you choose for us today?
Speaker 2: Brother? How are you?
Speaker 3: I'm doing great? No NFL for me last night, but
while you did your intro, Jalen hurts through another interception,
so that's great. But with that said, only one NHL
play for me. It was the La Kings minus one
h two as a four percent play and that one
got there. But we move on. It's five dollars customer
appreciation day at wager Talk and there's also a great
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we're gonna do. Press is coming in. He's gonna do
Dallas and Winnipeg, Andrew, you and I are going to
break down Anaheim and Pittsburgh, Boston and Saint Louis. Brian
Leonard joins us to do Buffalo and Edmonton, and then
if he's not too busy, we'll see if we can
get him to hang around and talk about Vegas and
the New York Islanders. Same game, parlay a pod. See,
let's see if we can get the pod back on track.
The pod was a loser yesterday, but still up. The
bank will still up at sixty two, sixty two and
a half, so that's pretty good as far as that
one goes. But with that said, hello to everyone in
the chat. Lost kid. I know you showed up right
away because you want to know what I'm going to
talk about. When the Pittsburgh Penguins game comes up, you'll
have to wait for that one. Let's bring in the
pres pres What is going going on? Man? This is
your last appearance on the show this week and probably
next week because you're going your skiing the slopes of Whistler.
Speaker 4: I am I'm leaving on Thursday.
Speaker 3: Carl.
Speaker 4: Where did we last leave? Where did we last leave?
Speaker 3: Off?
Speaker 5: Under in the Toronto game and a slight lean on Toronto.
So that's where we last left off. I think I'm
one hundred wins and three losses on your show this year.
Thanks for having me on. Guys, please send a check
to my address, Karm, you know it. And also, I
just want to address something one of your viewers just wrote,
which I thought was super nice. Sixty seven Silver the
two most fun dudes at wager Talk, Karm.
Speaker 4: I've known you for a long time. It's not the
adjective I would use.
Speaker 5: Nice, humble, sincere, kind, warm, sweet, beautiful, sexy.
Speaker 4: Fun. Would you use that word to define yourself, Karm?
Speaker 3: When I was younger, I was a hell of a
lot of fun. As you get older, pres you know,
you set into your become the old curmudgeon. As the
one guy called me in the comment section of yesterday's video,
which I love. He goes if Karm's curmudgeon about the
Buffalo Sabers, that means he's got him as a play.
I've only released the Sabers four times this season. I've
gone three and one with them, and they've been plus
money a couple of times. It is a Andrew the Sabers.
Before we get the press and Dallas in Winnipeg because
we know he's got to go and promote as well too.
But the Sabers are I'm gonna stand by my thoughts,
same ones at the beginning of the year. The worst team,
one of the worst teams in the NHL. This team
has no heart. This team. The thing with the Sabers
is you can break down a team, blow it up,
and rebuild it. Never rebuild they think picking up a
guy here and a guy there, it's putting a band
aid on a stab wound. It does not work. And
unfortunately it all falls on the owner of that team,
who also owns the Buffalo Bills, Terry Pergola. So so
I don't know andrew that team is. It's going to
take a lot to want to bet that team. But but
with that said, pres yes, sir, the Dallas Stars in
the Winnipeg Jets, obviously we've seen some struggles from Winnipeg.
Has a lot to do with their goaltending. Obviously, it's
it's you know, it's it's been Eric Comery and Millik.
It's going to be what January, I think, guys, until
we see Hallibuck backing goal for them. If his progress
comes along and the starts keep winning. I still think
they're the second best team in the Western Conference behind
Colorado minus one forty, Dallas plus one fifty Winnipeg total
sits here six. Where are you going with this.
Speaker 4: One, Carl, I'm going with Winnipeg Gere.
Speaker 5: And this is about you know, if you guys follow
my hockey on a regular basis, Firstly, you're richer for it,
thank you. Secondly, I'm about trying to find rhythm. You know,
I got on the show two weeks ago I said
to you the Toronto maple leiefs were you know, I
think at the time seventeen and five or seventeen and
four to the over, which is like ridiculous. And I
said to you guys, they're going to go under over
the next two three weeks.
Speaker 4: They've now gone under I think nine of their last
eleven games.
Speaker 5: It's the same with this Winnipeg Jets team. For me,
I'm trying to get ahead of streaks. I'm trying to
get ahead of winning streaks. I'm trying to get ahead
of losing streaks. And you know, I thought the Winnipeg
Jets were going to go on a nice little run
when they met the aforementioned Buffalo Sabers last Friday, I
gave you the longest play that I ever bet, six
year record of over seventy percent, and it won.
Speaker 4: And that was on this Winnipeg team.
Speaker 5: And then I recognized that they were playing Edmonton, and
I feel the similar about Edmonton, so I actually laid
off this game. But now they're back at home after
a bad loss to Edmonton and they're playing the Dallas Stars,
and I look at this Winnipeg team as a team
that I'm interested in betting on moving forward. Firstly, this
team did have some big injuries throughout the start of
the season. Obviously they're missing their goalie. But this is
a very defensive minded hockey team. And even though they
allowed six against Edmonton, they kept Buffalo to one. They
held Montreal to two in regulation. So this team can
play their defensive system correctly. And I look at this
Dallas Stars team and I'm with you, Karm, I think
this is I don't know, at the end of the year,
they'll be better than Vegas. I actually think the Vegas
Golden Knights when Bush comes to Shove, might end up
being the best.
Speaker 4: Team in the whole league. Even including Colorado.
Speaker 5: But as of now, Dallas is the second best team
in hockey, and I just don't like the spot with them. Look,
these teams are gonna win three out of every four games,
two out of every three games, whatever the case may be.
But what they're not gonna do is win four in
a row on a regular basis. Now, they did just
win four in a row recently, then they lost to
the Rangers, and now they won three in a row,
including being in Pittsburgh, San Jose and New Jersey. I
look at this and I think to myself, this is
a good spot for the Jets and a bad spot
with Dallas.
Speaker 4: Now, with all that said, I don't think the value
is there to bet Winnipeg.
Speaker 5: I like them, but it's at plus like one ten
against the second best team in the league, and.
Speaker 4: That is a little scary.
Speaker 5: So although I do lean on the Winnipeg Jets, I
personally am not going to get to the window. And
I also lean on the under guys to give you perspective.
These two teams when they play against each other two
and eight to the under. So I think we're gonna
get a three to two New York Winnipeg Jets win.
Speaker 3: Price. You know, you look at it, and Andrew, we
talk about goaltending all the time. Right now, the goalies
aren't confirmed, but given what Dallas's schedule is upcoming, with
obviously days off in between, it's likely going to be
Jake on ger and goal. He's nine and one his
last ten games, and the game he lost was a
three to two game to the New York Islander, so
it is not as if he's allowed. And you look
at the goals allowed to to one three, three, two, three,
one two and then four in UH five to four
win over Nashville in Nashville, So it is unbelievable. This
guy is playing the way we expect them to play.
And if Winnipeg struggles to score goals, UH the way
to get there for Dallas's score three and UH leave
it up to Jake Andrew to get the rest of
them for you.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think overall, guys, I think that we're number one.
Even though Connor Hellibuck is an MVP winner, I think
we're really starting to see how important he was. Like
if that guy didn't have enough respect on his name before,
he should now.
Speaker 2: But do you like the way I look at it?
Is this though, guys?
Speaker 1: Is that is this Winnipeg team going to be able
to win a low scoring game under with without Hellibuck.
That's kind of my my way of looking at it.
Like I was, I did a video yesterday.
Speaker 5: It was pretty let's see and lets sorry, sorry go
on about your video.
Speaker 4: My apology.
Speaker 2: I was just gonna say.
Speaker 1: I got to work with former NHL goalie Devin Dubnik
and he said that although they've been with that hell buck,
the defense hasn't really been as acceptable around the new
goalies either.
Speaker 4: What does acceptable mean? Like they haven't been good.
Speaker 2: Average.
Speaker 6: Yeah, so you look at the you look at the
statistics and uh, you know, uh Montreal Buffalo put thirty
five shots on them, So from that perspective, the defense
wasn't spectacular.
Speaker 5: But I watched that game and a lot of those
shots were from the outside. There were not a lot
of scoring chances in that game. They also held Buffalo
to one goal, so that's one sample size. Montreal put
thirty one shots on them, scored only two goals in regulations.
Speaker 2: So I think it great. That was Comery's best game
of the.
Speaker 4: Year, whatever the case.
Speaker 5: Whatever the case may be great not great, best game,
not best game they've had. They've had two games right
there where they could have one. They won one of them,
they could have won the second. Both were unders. So
I wouldn't make that type of assessment. I think you
see players step up when backup goaltenders go into the net,
and uh, these are still professional goalies with Dennis Hillibilla
the Hilda Beast.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I'm being misunderstood here. I'm more so
I meant to say anyway, that that's how they need
to play, is what I meant to say, not that
they're not going to be able to win, Like I
think that they have to protect their goalie.
Speaker 2: I agree with you when backup the haven't done a.
Speaker 3: Good job of it, Andrew. They're two and six the
last eight starts for Comery and goal uh. And one
of the wins was against the Sabers who couldn't couldn't
fight their way out of a paper bag. And then
the other one I think was against the I think
it might have been the Montreal Kings, but they're two
in six. Uh. And the thing is it might not
even be Comery and Gold tonight because he's played I
think five straight games or six straight games, so could
very well be Milliking goal.
Speaker 4: They sent him down, They sent Milik down.
Speaker 2: They owned another guy up.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they brought another guy up. Oh that that breeds confidence.
When you send down the emergency goalie and you bring
back another emergency goalie. That's got to make you feel.
Speaker 1: As Kyle made seven k on your last five percent play,
gotta love it.
Speaker 2: He's asking when your next one is.
Speaker 4: Well, I mean, listen, Kyle.
Speaker 5: Firstly, yes, I love to hear that, And secondly, I
don't know when my next five percent play is. I
can tell you right now that the play I have
going today would have been a five percent play, but
I made it a four percent play instead. There was
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off of a five. But I mean, Kyle, I'll tell
you flat out, my play today is a monster. It's
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in the last two seasons, seventy three percent in the
last three seasons.
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But guys, we got a kick ass promo for NHL
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Speaker 3: Yeah, and Andrew, as Pres mentioned with Millike getting sent down,
I had a quick look at the database and the
goalie they called up is Laurence born and raised in Bolton, Ontario,
north of US, playing for the Manitoba Moose. He's six
and seven on the season with a two to forty
nine save percentage, goal goal goals against average and a
nine to fifteen save percentage. Dom defense deventissis Oh my god,
I butchered that name, and he's Italian, but he's got
two eyes in his last name. Like, what are you
doing anyways?
Speaker 5: Yeah, TJ, TJ. That's a really interesting question. If you
buy it today, I think it counts for today. So
if you're gonna buy it from me, I would buy
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So but that is a good question. I gotta run
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We're getting unbelievable comments on that show. People are really
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I have a Shiven tonight, So yeah, big day for me.
Speaker 3: I love Press.
Speaker 1: Congrats on that run with the Unders. Whether it's thees,
whether it's the players not scoring, the defense, you have
given out like eight straight leafs under. So this team
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Speaker 5: See you Press, Thanks Guys's love everyone.
Speaker 3: Andrew in the future, we don't even need Press to
come in on to do his breakdown the games. We'll
just say we'll use AI and with the person just
saying I like the under, I like the under. Let's
just keep taking the under from Jeffrey.
Speaker 1: Look at this Look at this car. This is the
best comment of the week. I know it's only Tuesday,
but this takes the cake. Maybe you're the best comment
of December so far. I don't know where Prez is
going and what show he's going to record. But this
is the best betting show on wager Talk, Puck Time,
So I love that comment.
Speaker 2: Appreciate it.
Speaker 3: Maddy Ice wants to know Andrew before we get to
Anaheim and Pittsburgh and we havent moved wrong? Why Sebastian
Cosa hasn't been called up yet by the Wings. Im
entirely sure, to be honest with you. The Talbot Gibson.
Things seem to have been working earlier. It doesn't seem
to be working now. So that's interesting. Well, it's something
that we have to monitor, but we'll see as it goes. Andrew,
I've read this name over in my head and I'm
Italian man about ten times and I still can't get this.
Dom de vince Vincettis Vincettis.
Speaker 2: Dom get it?
Speaker 3: Dom. If I've butchered your name, please call in to
our office in Detroit and let them know. I'm pretty
sure you're not really worried about what is going on
with Puck Time and whether I pronounced your name wrong.
Speaker 2: Wait till I do.
Speaker 3: The Russians those are the best, Man, early on, those
those were the best.
Speaker 1: But I I love a small dose of press Yeah,
it's like microdose, like you.
Speaker 2: Get a little quick, you get a little bit of them.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm to absorb too much, but a little quick,
like fifteen minutes of press and then he's out of here.
It's we're perfect quickly, kar I add when it comes
to goalies, a lot of the times, teams don't like
to rush their goalies up into the NHL. Look what
the Buffalo Sabers did to Devon Levi or Devin Levi,
look at what they did to him. You don't want
to rush certain goalies into the NHL.
Speaker 2: It's just a fact.
Speaker 1: Like right now, the Canadians have a guy Jacob Fowler
in the AHL. No matter how good this guy plays
in the AHL, they're not bringing him up to the
NHL for at least another year. I think it's a
very very important Car I'm sure you agree with me
for the hockey goalies to have more time in the AHL.
Maybe the forwards can get called up a little bit earlier,
but I think the goalies need to take some time.
All right, car Anaheim and Pittsburgh, what do you think
about this one?
Speaker 3: Yeah? My final thought is and then we're done with
the prez is can you imagine being the poor bastard
on that plane that has to fly across Canada, seated
next to the press or he tells you Gradias, God,
oh God, almighty Andrew Anaheim in Pittsburgh. So minus won
twenty five on Pittsburgh plus one oh three on Anaheim
six and a half is a total, you know, it
is what are we going to see from the Ducks
on this road trip because like listen, you know, Joel
Quinville and I took Anaheim and their next start, he
put them through a morning skate like no other. After
they lost seven nothing to Utah, they bounced back and
they beat a very good Washington team next time out,
beating them four to three in ot They take it
on the road now, and can they bring that form
from that one game, that one game, but not just
that what they were doing last last seed earlier in
the season Andrew, which is using their speed to keep
teams off balance, the playing from the you know in
soccer we call it playing from the back out, but
generating that speed through the neutral zone, getting into the
offensive zone, spending a lot of ozone time there, cycling
the puck and getting some shots on goal. If they
can do that against Pittsburgh. It's the recipe for a
win for Anaheim. Here at plus one h three, I
wish this total was six. If this total was six,
I would be on the over at six and a half.
I'm not entirely sure I want to touch this over
unless we wait until the game starts and you can
get a better number in game. We talk about in
game betting guys and having multiple outs at different books
where you can get the best number, and sometimes you
have to wait a couple of minutes in a game.
If you like the over and you can get at
six instead of six and a half in game, it
doesn't matter to me whether they score in the first
five minutes or not. Some people will be like, well,
I have six and a half, I want to go early. No,
if I think it's going to get there, it's going
to get there, whether it's five minutes into the game
with no goals or not with goals or not. So
bet this one in game, Andrew and take the over.
But a little sprinkle, a tiny little sprinkle on the
Anaheim Ducks tonight, Who's Who's what would you fear more
a duck or a penguin if they were attacking you, Andrew.
Speaker 1: Probably a penguin, because I'd just be like, what the
hell is a penguin doing attacking me? What did I
do to this penguin? You know, I kind of agree
with the Ducks here. I know, for the most part,
I do like the Ducks at home a lot more.
You know, I got to give credit to this Penguins team,
like overall, looking at some of my numbers, like, this
Penguins team had a really good start analytically, but they
have had a little bit of a drop off. There
has been a little bit of a drop with some
of their numbers here and even some of the games
they've had lately that they've had success, they've also been
given up a ton of goals as well. And here's
my fear about this one here. If you're backing the Penguins,
who would you rather in a first of four goals wins?
Who would you rather in a first of five goals wins?
The total is at six and a half and Pittsburgh
opened up slight favorites. They bumped a little bit higher,
and they bumped a little bit back. This number hasn't
really moved much from the opener karm that to me
indicates the underdog a little bit, but also the six
and a half I think is beneficial for the Anaheim Ducks.
The only thing that might keep me off this game,
and I know this hopefully shouldn't bother professional hockey teamkarm.
Some teams just very similar to some teams are very
good after they gave up seven goals. I think some
teams aren't the best after they just scored seven goals.
It's like they just didn't save enough goals for the
rest of the games. You know, like you just absolutely
beat the crap out of a team, Are you able
to do it again the next time?
Speaker 2: Right? And you got a real hungry Pittsburgh team here.
Speaker 1: So, but you know what, Pittsburgh are having a tough
go They played some tough teams, but they've also been
having a tough goal lately.
Speaker 3: There's two words that is keeping me off of wanting
to release a play on the Ducks. Do you know
what those two words are?
Speaker 2: Lost kid?
Speaker 4: Know?
Speaker 3: Villa whoso so no, villa who's so? No, it's not
a loose kid, he's a good dude. Maybe the Penguins
smack around the Ducks tonight. The villy whoso how is
this guy still in the NHL? Johnny Detroit. I remember
when he was playing for Detroit. He was going to
pick him up at the arena and drive him to
the airport. That's how how much he wanted him out
of Detroit. This guy is I think his NHL season,
his NHL career is done. He's just he's just not
a Tier one goalie. And I don't think he's even
a legitimate backup goalie, to be honest with you, I
think this guy is an emergency goalie at best. So
with that said, Andrew, Umm, let's bring in. We got
to discuss Boston and Saint Louis. Let's just do that
real quick. And then we're bringing Brian Leonard because I
know Brian's hanging around. He's probably dipping into the baileyes
right now. Boston and Saint Louis. I'm going to make
this quick, Andrew, Saint Louis minus one fifty, Boston plus
one twenty five. Both Charlie McAvoy and Passernak made the trip,
but they were in non contact contact jerseys. The coach
has already said that he is not going to start
them until they're fully healthy, and these guys were in
non contact jerseys, so I would I would doubt either
one of them is in the lineup tonight, even though
it shows in some places questionable, I think it's safe
to say that these guys excuse me, are both out
for tonight's game. I like the fact that the Blues
I put a couple of wins together, they come home,
and they recently played this Boston team, so it's kind
of a rapid revenge spot. Minus one fifty is probably
the high end of what I want to lay on
this game, especially because the Bruins haven't started to as
I call it, regress as if yet andrew any thoughts
on this one, and then we'll bring them Brian Carl.
Speaker 1: Whenever there's a rapid revenge spot, especially with emotion like this,
with the Jim Montgomery and that kind of stuff, and
I don't bet it, it absolutely infuriates me. It infuriates me.
There was one recently with Buffalo and Winnipeg, the Winnipeg
revenge spot against Buffalo that infuriated me not being a
part of it. And I'm not saying it's always a
bet on and an easy situation, but this kind of
sets up properly here and when I look at the analytics,
I love looking at last ten games. When it comes
to the analytics, now five on five numbers, and Brian
taught me that it's good to look towards just the
five on five because there is variance when it comes
to power play calls or penalties.
Speaker 2: The five on five numbers.
Speaker 1: I have Boston as the third ranked defensive team expected
goals against in the last ten games five on five.
Edmonton and Chicago are the only two worst teams five
on five expected goals against than this team. So I
think that Saint Louis is the play. I think potentially
Saint Louis team total over. And one thing about this here, Carmen,
I'll throw this to you and then we'll get Brian's
thoughts on it. I have noticed one thing this season
where it's not the first game back at home after
a road trip. In fact, it's the second game back
at home after a road trip. And you know, I
have to get some data to back this up for me,
of course, but we've seen a lot of teams, and
I'll think back to the Calgary versus Minnesota game. Calgary
had an East Coast swing. They get back home and
it was their first game back, and yet they were
like short, short, short dogs against Minnesota. They won that
one somehow, and then they got pummeled in their next
two games. Sometimes we're starting to see these teams actually
perform well in their first game back at home, but
the second game is a little bit different. So, with
all that being said, with the rapid revenge, with the
injuries for the Bruins, and you know, Caren, I watched
the interview with Morgan Geeky yesterday. It looks like a
real classy guy. He still doesn't even know how good
he is. He's being so humble. Well, he's a scoring machine,
but I think what's been disguised by his scoring has
been the lack of scoring from other people. Like imagine
if Morgan Geeky was having an average year. I bet
you that guy is regretting signing an eight year contract,
karm because if he signed a two year contract, he
would have been getting paid. But yeah, the guy all
of a sudden signs a mediocre contract. He's gonna score
fifty goals this year and make nearly not enough compared
to what he's doing on the ice. But I worry
about the lack of depth on this Bruins team. Would
you agree that maybe some of the success these young
guys are having is taken away from the fact that
not many guys are actually scoring for the Boston Bruins.
Speaker 3: No, And that's the thing. I mean, like, we can
talk about the fact that Pasternak has been out, but
the team is four and two in the six games
that Pasternak's been in the press box and injured, So
they're still winning games without them, but doing it over
you know, a seven or ten day period as opposed
to doing it over a month, a month and a half,
two months. And that's why I don't think they rush
either one of these guys back. They're on the trip
so they can take part in the morning skates with
these teams. I just don't see them being in the lineup.
And I will have a pod play on this game
at the end of the show. But we got to
bring him in, man, because this guy is probably itching
to get on the show right now, especially because the
price is gone. Let's bring in the shot of Bailey's.
We should get his segments by Daily's. We should get
your segments sponsored by Baileys.
Speaker 7: I don't drink it, so I would rather have it
sponsored by Alan Koogle beer or something.
Speaker 3: But.
Speaker 2: He's like, I don't want this one beer.
Speaker 3: That's right.
Speaker 7: I'm a beer guy, I will say, regardless of the presidents,
there are not this. His thoughts on this defense for
Toronto has really made a difference in my think and
I'm not always on those unders, but he's done a
trematous job and it's in my head now I think, well,
that's something I look for. So thanks for Press for that.
I try to learn from each one of you guys,
and you've all been handicapping hockey a lot longer than
I have, all being Canadian and that's part of your lifestyle.
But yeah, congratulations to Press. He's done a terrific job.
Speaker 1: And the goaltending we got to say, like, the goaltending
has been really good and it's the third string goalie
last night for them. So but you know what makes
me laugh, Brian and I got to always get my
shots in here. These wins and the good goalies are
taking away from the fact that some of the forwards
have been awful, Like if they haven't been winning these games,
then all these forwards are getting ripped on like Austin
Matthews had seven shots yesterday. He didn't score until he
got an empty net goal. Imagine if they lost that
game three two, all the headlines and you talk about
the lifestyle in Canada, especially of course where Carmine lives.
All the headlines everywhere would be about how he can't
score and nobody cares because they.
Speaker 2: Won the game.
Speaker 1: So the defense, and I'll put it out here, I
think that one of those goalies potentially could be traded.
Whether it's wool Hill to be Oldster or Stolars, one
of those guys could be traded here, Carr. Because they
don't have many assets, they don't have prospects, they don't
have many young players. They might have to use one
of their three goalies as an asset for a trade.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, listen, they've bought into and we've got to
get to the Sabers game. In the second. I'm in
no rush to get to the Sabers game. But they
they're buying into Craig Barubay's style, which is he wanted
them to play better defense. They're playing better defense. You
sort of you sort of give up some scoring. You
sacrifice scoring when you're playing a better defensive game. It's
kind of like what was happening in at the beginning
of the season with the New York Rangers. They were
creating some chances, but they were playing more defensive minded game.
We'll see come playoff time, because the Leafs in the
playoffs have always been about trying to outscore their opponents,
and now it is the complete opposite. And will the
lack of scoring come back to haunt them in the
playoffs when they have to play a Florida team, or
a Carolina team or a Tampa Bay team. We'll see.
We'll see how that goes. But with that said, Brian,
the Edmonton Oilers minus two twenty two the Buffalo Sabers
plus one seventy nine six and a half is the
total here Sabers, off of yet another loss, their fan
base is pissed off. Can't understand why. You could just
see it on all the message boards. They have had
enough of the Buffalo Sabers. Have you had enough of
the Buffalo Sabers.
Speaker 7: Well, everybody knows I like to specialize in underdogs, and
I just want to explain something when it.
Speaker 3: Comes to favorites.
Speaker 7: You mentioned the price on this game is about a
two twenty or so for Edmonton, you got a Buffalo
team that well, I'll get to that part, but let
me just say, the Kansas City Chiefs this week in
the NFL are hosting the LA Chargers. They're about a
four to four and a half point favorite, and the
line is about twenty five, about the same as it
is for Edmonton. Do you feel more confident playing an
Edmonton team here laying the two twenty two twenty five
as opposed to playing Kansas City as a four four
and a half point favorite over the Chargers. And that's
the reason why I did that, was so I could
take to show people that just because you know, a
lot of times we will say, oh, two dollars is
too high, I can't play that or whatever. If you're
going to give me Edmonton in this game and that
same price as you're going to give me the Kansas
City Chiefs against San Diego, he really puts it in perspective.
Let's take a look at what Buffalo has done on
the season in the Eastern Conference. Buffalo is in the
last place. They've got twenty six points on the season,
they are minus fifteen goals in the goal differential. Just
playing three more games at home than they do on
the road, four and six to last ten. They have
not been good on the road all season long. They
have two wins away from home in thirteen games. The
next worst team, the worst team in the Western Conference,
the Nashville Predators, they have four wins on the road.
They've had twice as many wins on the road as
Buffalo has. Taking a look at Edmonton, this is a
team that we've talked about this in the past. They've
got a really strong home ice, but they have not
played that great this season. But you have a lot
of peaks and valleys throughout the season. I said, like
a week ago, I think the Edmonton Oilers were about
to catch fire. The offense certainly has lately on the season.
They've only played twelve games at home and seventeen on
the road. They've been out scored by six. So there's
still a lot better in Buffalo in that regard. But
when you take a look at the schedules, Buffalo is playing.
Speaker 3: A back to back game.
Speaker 7: Usually I charge I make a differential of about thirty
five cents when the team is playing the back to
back as apposts to the other team being rested. Not
only are they playing a back to back. They're playing
their third game in four days. And in fact, if
we take a look at buffalo schedule, this is the
last game on this road trip. This will be the
ninth straight game Buffalo has played in a different city.
They've already proven they can't win on the road. They
can't wait to get home, you know, they can't wait
to get home. There's been an embarrassing road trip forum,
and it's they found out today that Jason Zucker got
hurt in the last game. That's one lass forward. They're
pulling guys up from the minor leagues right now. Buffalo
is just trying to get the hell out of there,
get back to Buffalo and try to straighten this thing out.
Where you got an Edmonton team who is being priced,
as I said, a two twenty. That's a bargain to
get a team that's going to the the last two
years against the Buffalo team. We know what Buffalo is
going to come in to the season, we know what
they were going to be, and they're exactly just that.
This is a bargain for the favorite.
Speaker 3: I like Edmonton here.
Speaker 7: If you want to lay the one and a half,
you want to lay two and a half whatever you
want to do somewhere to get towards Edmonton in this game.
Because if you take a look at this situation, this
two twenty is a complete bargain.
Speaker 3: I'll take Edmonton in this game, you.
Speaker 1: Know, Brian, When I look at this one, I think
a lot about the fact that sometimes when I win
on a team, I feel like I'm done with that
team for a while and I have to find another
team to make money on. It's something I've always struggled with.
I'm not sure why. It's It's kind of like reinventing
the wheel, you know, like, Okay, this team made me money,
I can't go back on them.
Speaker 2: But hockey and money line.
Speaker 1: Sports are sports of streaks a lot a lot of
the time, right And I was on a podcast yesterday
we were talking about this Oilers team. So I want
to ask you, like, I know you're mostly talking here
about fading Buffalo, not as much about backing the Edmonton Oilers,
But are you the kind of guy or will you
with a team like the Oilers look to not just
bet on them tonight, but bet on them moving forward
because they're such a streaky team like they are either
cold or they're hot. There's no such thing as luke
warm with this Edmonton Oilers team. Again, I understand a
lot of it that you were just breaking down was
more so just ripping on Carmine Sabers. But when you
look at this Oilers team, they've really turned it on.
They're now entering the playoffs. Of course, if the playoffs
started tomorrow, do you look to bet on this team
more moving forward because they finally turned it on?
Speaker 7: Well, first of all, on a Cleveland Browns fan, So
I've got no reason to rag on anybody's team. Buffalo
and Cleveland Brown's are very similar, different sports. I'm not
a guy who plays streaks, and I'll tell you why,
because usually when you're playing a streak, you are getting
the worst of the number. And we talked about this
on The Baseball Show. I'm on The Baseball Show every season,
one of the three hosts, and we talk about that.
I know other guys play streaks, Obviously we were just
talking about pres playing the streak with the Toronto Wannders
makes sense. But unless I'm getting the line I want,
I am not going to play it. I'm not. I
don't want to overpay for anything. Everything I have comes
down to numbers, and I'm looking for value and if
I don't have the value there. It's like in baseball season,
the Milwaukee Brewers, they were one of those teams. Luckily
I was on them a lot more than I was
against them. They had a terrific season, not so good
in the playoffs, but they were a team that was
very streaky like that, and it got to the point
where when the more they would win, the higher prices
it would get. So I would find myself on playing
in the Brewers two or three in a row at
the beginning of the streak, and then I would like
fall off of them. Sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't.
You know, the line out there is Phil Steele used
to say, you can only lose once if you play
a team on a winning streak. Well, you're saying that
there are the chances of them continuing in that winning
strake is higher than not, when in reality it's a
fifty to fifty proposition, just like it was before the
winning strake started. So I don't truly buy into it,
but it takes it takes some guts to go against
the team on a winning strake or ride a team
on a losing strake, but that's where you get the value,
and that's what I like to do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, quick aside here for someone in chat. I think
there's a guy by the name of Jose who says
that I'm tough on pres President. I have been friends
for the longest time. We literally live fifteen minutes away
from each other. He calls me to talk about NHL.
I will bug him about some of the games. We
bug each other. It is what we do.
Speaker 2: We're two good.
Speaker 3: Friends who so if you haven't been watching Puck Time,
you probably don't get it. You think I'm just being
hard on a guest. He's one of the owners of
wager Talk, one of the original founders of wager Talk.
But I love giving him a hard time. We play
poker together. I won't go skiing though. I'm just too old.
My bones are brittle. But with that said, Oose, it
is all good. I will continue to poke fun at
Prez whenever he's on the show, as he will do
to me as well too. So with that said, that's
how it is Bright Vegas and the Islanders here. So
and I'm gonna go to you first on this one
minus one forty one in Vegas plus one seventeen on
the Islanders five and a half is the total here,
I also showing some defense. They're starting to look like
the Islanders or the Thailanders as some of the guys
call him in the chat from earlier years. Are they
a live dog?
Speaker 2: You know, That's the thing about this Islanders teams.
Speaker 1: I used to say, if you want to watch a
hockey game and you want to fall asleep, toss on
a Minnesota Wild game or toss on a New York
Islanders game and you can have yourself a really good
nap before the good games get going. And when I
look at this Islanders team, Islanders team, you know, they
have started to play a little bit lower scoring, but
the end of the day, they still on a large
scale are an over team when it comes down to it.
Looking at this Vegas Golden Knights team on the road
against the Devils, on the road against the Rangers, now
on the road against the Islanders. The real question here is, guys,
is this much of a road trip angle? You know,
like you're not sleeping in your bed for your own
bed for all these nights, but they're not climbing around
the country. They're not hopping on pj's like meer just
they're in the Tri State area.
Speaker 2: That's all they are.
Speaker 1: They're just they're bouncing around like what twenty thirty miles
you know, to go to different arenas.
Speaker 2: It's not like it's much of a change.
Speaker 1: So when it comes to this, I'm not too worried
about the Vegas Golden Knights as far as their travel
is concerned. But I am liking what they're bringing offensively
right now. And you know, we just saw the Islanders
have a tough one on Sunday where they only gave
up are they only scored one goal. The Panthers got
momentum after. I don't even think the Panthers deserve to
win that game on Saturday against CBJ, but all of
a sudden they win too straight. I like the over
in this game here, guys. I think that against good teams,
we're gonna see the Islanders being overteam. We're gonna we're
gonna see them being over team. I know against Tampa
they kind of had a good, low scoring game, but
that was because they couldn't score themselves. Vegas kind of
I don't want to say fat and sassy, but feeling
pretty good. First to two games went pretty well for them.
I think this game is a little more of a
track meet, a little more back and forth.
Speaker 2: Also, for whatever reasons, I look at the last history
between these teams.
Speaker 1: I know they don't play often, a lot of penalties,
a lot of physicality, and these are actually some bigger teams.
I could see some power play goals, and you know, Brian,
I was giving you credit.
Speaker 2: I don't know if you've heard.
Speaker 1: Backstage about the five on five stuff, because they're variants
when it comes to it. But I'm not gonna say
I don't look towards the specialty teams as well, because
you know what, some teams, they're just money on the
power play and if they get chances, they're gonna make
you pay well.
Speaker 2: Vegas is one of those teams.
Speaker 1: So as much as we look at five on five numbers,
I do think that a team like Vegas, their power
play helps my case. So I like the over here guys.
I think we're gonna see some goals here. The price
is not gonna get me there enough on the islanders,
and also the travel, it doesn't matter as much to
me because if there's not really much travel, they've just
been on the road a little bit. But what do
you think, Brad, do they get the three to zero
sweep here with the New York slash New Jersey teams?
Speaker 7: Well, to be honest with you, I faded Vegas the
first two games of this trip. Small plays, but still
I like the home underdogs. I still think the Rangers
were the better team in the last game. That was
a tough way to lose. But New Jersey is a
team right now not giving any not producing any offense.
The Rangers are a team that doesn't with defense. The
only thing I would say about your total in this
one is Vegas is still having problems scoring or when they're
playing on five and five. Their power play right now
is great when they're on the power play, so if
there is penalties here, Vegas are going to put some
points on the board with the power play. But once
again we are seeing teams trying to protect their goalies
a little bit, which is obviously with the Toronto situation yesterday,
Hey to throw a shutout, good for them. Teams are
able to play good defense. And you were talking about boring.
I don't know if the Islanders have been boring, but
I've always liked the Islanders because if they get a lead,
they take I actually take the year out of the ball.
I know they don't play with the ball, but they
basically just keep the other team for scoring. And I
can see that coming both ways in this game. But
you're right about the power plays. If we get a
lot of penalties, Vegas is going to cash those penalties
of cashing battle with everybody lately. They got two full
lines right now with really excellent puck andlers, and that's
where they do their damage. They got the ace go
on tonight Schmidt, who has been terrific. Schmid's going to
be I'm assuming is going to be in goal for
him tonight. But the line is right where I thought
it was going to be. So I'm not going to
have a player in the game. But it's a great point.
We mentioned that the other day about playing the three
games in a small, small physical area, and so we're
we don't have a team doing a lot of traveling.
It's not like the Buffalo Sabers like I just talked
about a ninth game in an in nine different cities
with travel involved in all of them. I can see
Vegas wedding here, but I don't want to lay that number.
I agree in that point with you. It's a little
bit higher than what.
Speaker 3: I would like to play. Andrew, I would we would
go mono am on on this one because I had
looked to the under skin is confirmed for the Unders.
He's eight and two to the under his last ten starts. Now,
one of those lost. One of those ones that went
over the total was a win in Vegas where they
beat them four to three. So we normally see sort
of a reversal the second time out. We see lower
scoring games, and the Islanders, after being an extremely hot
overteam early in the season, are eight and two to
the under their last ten games, both home and away combined.
So we'll see how that one goes. Brian, what do
you have to promote on five dollars customer appreciation Day
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Speaker 7: I passed on yesterday's car. Just wasn't anything out there
for me that I thought had value. But I'm back today.
I've got a four percent going in the NHL currently,
nine to four run on my NHL four percents. In fact,
sixteen and seven run overall on four percents going back
the last four months now, it's been a complete four months,
We're up ninety five units overall in all sports. I've
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Speaker 2: Right now.
Speaker 7: I've got two college basketball players to clients. If i
can find another one, I'm going to put that up
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is only five dollars, so still working on the card.
Don't think i'll have anything in the NBA. There's only
two games and so I'll probably be passing on that.
And there's no football today, a rare non football day.
So that's what We've got one hockey and two basketball
right now.
Speaker 3: But I'm going to try to get a.
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Speaker 3: Bucks, right. I wish you the best of luck, my friend,
and the next time I make it out to Vegas
will probably be like maybe early January, February sometime. You
got to find out a way to get me into
Golden Steer because that place is booked like three months
in advance. You've got to have some connections. That's my favorite.
Speaker 7: I'm not a big spend a lot of money on food,
but that's my favorite stick house in town. And I
used to have a connection there. One of my friends
from Cleveland moved out to Vegas before I moved out here,
but that was twenty five years ago.
Speaker 2: He's no longer there.
Speaker 3: If he is, he's eating mashed potatoes right now. Anyways, listen,
best of luck to you, and yeah, definitely guys, head
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of luck, Priye, thank you, see you, Brian, Thanks tack
care Andrew, same game, parlay time and pod time. You
want me to go first, or you want to go.
Speaker 1: First, you go first, then I'll tell you what I
like your play. I'm on the same page as you
and Pele, we can cash it man.
Speaker 3: So, guys, obviously we lost with Tampa Bay minus one
fifteen yesterday, but we're still at sixty two forty seven
from the original five k. Of course, I've taken some
of that cash out and I'm gonna post some videos
of the food bank donation that Puck Time did so
I will get that to you, guys. But it is
a great time for giving at this time of the year.
Helped those less fortunate than yourselves. But my same game parlay, sorry,
not my same game party. Let's start from the beginning, Andrew.
My pod play today is the Saint Louis Blues in
regulation even money. Yes, while the line is minus one fifty,
I'm gonna take him in regulation to beat the Boston Bruins.
Bruins still a little shorthanded, but I like the fact
that Saint Louis is playing some very good d They
finished that road trip with a couple wins and some
very solid numbers. They return home. This is a rapid
revenge spot against the Bruins team that beat them five
to two. But if you look at the extreme numbers,
the high danger chances and the shots on goal in
that game, everything favored the Saint Louis Blues do. Anything
that didn't favor them was the final score line. They
reverse that tonight. The Saint Louis Blues get it done
in sixty minutes, and that is your pod play.
Speaker 1: I just think that price is really solid, carm I
think it's worth a look at it. And I wanted to
ask you, do you think that when you look at
this Blues team overall, that it's a bad thing almost
for them if they keep winning, because it almost takes
them away from a not a rebuild, but trading off.
Like sometimes I saw some Calgari Flames fans. They were
complaining about the fact that the team is playing well
right now, so they're going through, of course their typical
you know, December run in which they take themselves away
from a number one overall pick or a top draft
pick or whatever it might be.
Speaker 2: You know, does it hurt this Blues team if they
go on a roll overall?
Speaker 3: You know the odd thing, Andrew is when you look
at the standings right now in the Western Conference, you
start to wonder, who do you make a case for
for that is going to be in the playoffs? Are
more so those wild card spots. We know Colorado, Dallas Stars,
the Minnesota wild the Vegas Golden Knights, the Ellie Kings,
Edmonton Oders are going to be there. Anaheim's really overperforming
right now. They are a wild card type team, but
they're not the third best team in the Western Conference,
even though they have thirty seven points right now and
sit in that third spot on the outside looking in,
and you have San Jose in that eighth spot. Are
the Saint Louis Blues better than the San Jose Sharks? Yes,
they are, so now you start to look at who
can take that final spot away from them. The Chicago
Black in Utah Mammoth, I'm not entirely sure. Possibly Utah,
not Chicago. I don't think they have the depth right now.
The Seattle Kraken, Calgary Flames, Vancouver, Nashville. I don't see
any of those ones. The one that obviously sticks out
is the Winnipeg Jets, but they obviously have goaltending issues
right now with Hella Buck being out until January. And
the problem here is is that he's out until we
saw this with Thatcher Demko where they kept expecting him
to come back, and in Vancouver and he just his
body did not recover from whatever was that ailed him,
and that team struggled. So what happens with Winnipeg. Do
they go out and make a trade for a goaltender?
And I don't know because I don't have those what
their cap space is, I don't have what their assets
are as far as making a trade. So I tend
to believe the Saint Louis Blues, much like last year
where they eaked into the playoff and then they looked
pretty good once they got there, they just could not
win the games on the road. They won them at home.
If this team is playing some solid defense and their
goaltenders are on Hoffer and obviously Bnnington, they are a
threat to make. I don't think they're a bottom three
team in the Western Conference or a bottom three team overall.
Speaker 1: So I wish that's my point. Though they're not great,
they're not bad. They're somewhere in the middle.
Speaker 3: You're stuck in that the whatever it's called the chasm
or whatever it's like in purgatory. You just don't know
where they're going to end up. And that's the problem.
It is the explain that to the Buffalo Sabers for
the last fourteen years, they get stuck in that they
play just well enough to screw up any draft picks
a lottery chances, and they play just bad enough to
not come close to making the playoffs. So anyways, give
me a sameame partly Andrew.
Speaker 1: Yeah, eleven fifty four Eastern Time, as we're going to
transition over to Andy Lang in a few moments, really quick, guys.
I did mention that I was gonna stop for a
while with these shots on goal props. But my exception
is when it's a certain matchup or if a guy
has has performed very well in the past against a
certain team. Travis Connectney has performed very, very very well
in his past against the San Jose Sharks. And I
know these are out of conference teams, but I like
head to head matchups. Owen Tippett three plush shots on goal,
Connecting three plush shots on goal and trevor' zegres to
get one point looking at this San Jose Sharks team
just really quick here.
Speaker 2: I know we're in a rush.
Speaker 1: The San Jose Sharks are thirtieth in the league in
shots on goal allowed overall, and there are twenty eighth
in the league in shots on goal allowed overall against
right wingers. I think that Trevor Zegress is going to
be up for this game because even though he's a
little bit older now, he wants to show that he's
still one of those talented young players. And Will Smith
and Celebrainy, those guys come into town. At another point
here KRM, we could top on the Philadelphia Flyers money
line to make this even better. Right now, San Josea
is starting to show their true colors. I think they're
going to be a really different team at home versus
on the road. They have a losing record on the
road and a minus ten goal differential on the road,
which really starts to add up. So I do think
this Philadelphia team is pretty solid. Here three picks for
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We'll see you tomorrow when don Buster jumps into the
guest chair. Best of luck to you guys all tonight.