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Speaker 1: I want to welcome everyone back to the Pekenana Show.

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Let's talk a little bit about something different today. Thomas,

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how are you doing.

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Speaker 2: I'm doing well. Thank you for hosting me. Yeah, we

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can talk about we can change up the we can

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change up the subject definitely.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, we'll get back to the Cold War on the

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next one. But I've read Yaki. I started reading Spangler

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one of the essays that you recommended, and it just

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speaks to me, really speaks to my heart. And I

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know that Spangler and especially Yaki are a big part

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of your of your thought, and you're where you've taken

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a lot of inspiration from. So I thought we'd do

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a little episode. And I think they go together because

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Yaqui uses so many, so many spanglerisms and seems to

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have really dug deep into his work and integrated into

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his work. So I guess let's start with the original.

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What is it about Spangler that attracted you first?

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Speaker 2: Well, frankly, especially as the Cold War resolved, Spangler was

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Spangler was one of these was one of the only

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what would you consider esoteric kind of thinkers that they

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came to before the Internet. There's a two volume it

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was it was a bridge, but it was the it

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was the two valume abridged version of the Cline of

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the West. And I think Harvard University Press had put

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out in the fifties with at the Double Check. It

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was part of this whole series on political theory, like

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Hans and Morgan Thou who's actually worth reading, and yes,

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he's part of that. He was part of that Morgan

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Thou family. And he was for a time, uh New

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York attorney state Attorney general, and then and then uh

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he was some kind of state department hancho. But at

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any event, I think it was Harvard University Press. There's

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this whole series on on like footable theory, okay, And

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they had those at like my local like Cook County

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Branch Library, like around like north of glen View and

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come across Spangler and stuff like Instoration Magazine and the

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like National Alliance Lit and stuff like that and something.

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It was over my head because I wasn't I mean,

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I was like a teenager and I hadn't really dived

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into Hagel yet and like Aristotlin things. But what reallyion

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on me was again, you know, this was like literally

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as the Cold War was ending and there was. Discourse

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was really weird then because it was still semi serious

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and you had serious guys who were kind of weighing

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in and what the implications were, you know, of of

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Soviet collapse and what kind of globalism would look like,

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and you know what the implications were just kind of

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like across the board, you know, because everybody realized this,

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this is this, this, this is a profound event. This

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is like an Apockel event. To see what week it's okay?

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And I was kind of seeking up sources to just

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try and put this in better perspective, and there was

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not much, I mean, there was this. I mean admittedly,

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like I just said, you know that the tenor at

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discourse was it was elevated committed today, But there was

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not a lot of other than the kind of like

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into history kind of midway stuff there. You know, there

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wasn't a lot to put this in comic, especially for

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a young person. When I started reading Spangler, what such

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that I could understand it? And again it took me

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probably about like a decade to really get like a

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complete understanding of Spangler. But what jumps out of me

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is the symbolic psychological quality to cultural forms and what

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he called prime symbols of those forms. And I've always

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been somebody who puts a strong emphasis on symbolic psychology. Okay,

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and if you believe in your racial differences, I don't

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just mean, you know, like at the biological level, I'm

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not talking about you know, I'm not talking about you know,

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the relative bone density of insular breeding populations. I'm not

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talking about you know, people's ratio of fast which the slopes,

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which muscle fibers, and I'm not talking about their IQ like.

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I'm talking about deep meticultural phenomenon that for that that somehow,

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some way insinuates itself into people's minds and conceptual horizons

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across generations. Okay, it's not it's not clear exactly how

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that happens. Okay, it's it's a combination of biology, it's

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a combination of cultural learning. I mean, it's combination of

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biology with culture and cultural learning as well as other

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other I think epigen when I think of epigenetic variables

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that are well understood. But Spangli really put this in perspective, okay,

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that there are these prime symbols there, These things are

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quite literally you know, characterize, you know, kind of the

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the core uh the core essence of cultural forms and

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and and the and these and these prime symbols resonate

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pretty much through through everything that culture does, you know,

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especially in power political terms, because that's kind of the

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zenus of cultural activity in all kinds of ways. And

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to racial survival, but even everything from like the food

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that they favor, and like, you know, the clothing they wear,

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and and the kind of you know, artwork they create.

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themselves in the world relative to other peoples, but also

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kind of like what they view their sort of existential

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narrative as as like as a as a self aware culture.

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that that itself is very much you know, like a modernist,

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uh arguably postmodern sensibility. You know, people actually being like

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aware of things like cultural horizons, you know, cultural conceptual

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horizons and prime symbols they're in. You know, how these

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things are impactful in terms of in terms of how

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you know, people create a sustain you know, all all

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the phenomena that we consider severally to be like cultural activity.

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of that and awareness of it is like a discrete

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phenomenon that doesn't somehow like put people like outside of it. Okay,

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so and and Spangler accounters for that too. But that's

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the reason why. I mean initially that's like what really

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kind of like got me into you know, deep diving

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into into Spanglerian thought. But also you know, Spangler was

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a one of the things I really put him on

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the map. He had a renaissance in the sixties and seventies,

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is people were kind of looking outside of uh you know,

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the uh the kind of the kind of international relations

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quantitative model for for understanding you know, cultural behavior. You know,

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it's a lot and like I mean, that's definitely I'm

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saying like youngin theory like came back into vogue too.

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I'm not comparing the two. I think there's some value

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to be found in Young, but I think Spangler is

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quite a bit more of a rigorous thinker. But my

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point is this kind of stuff came back into vogue,

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like decades later. But you know, Spangler, he really was

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like an inner war theorist, okay, And that's one of

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the reasons why you know, Hitler wanted an audience with him,

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you know, kind of anybody who's anybody in Germany, you know,

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people you know, like like people on the far left,

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you know, like reactionary monarchist types. You know, Hitler himself.

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was up on something people view as profound, but beyond that,

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conceptual vision or his kind of theoretical model. You know,

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he was very much observing these things, you know, kind

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of like in their epoch, you know, and he was

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he was very much you know, if you want to

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talk about punctuated decline in crisis and you know what

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efforts to survive late bare not just the miss modernity,

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relating to you know, a power political event of truly

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the Great War, and that was a situation of the

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German Empire and to a lesser degree, you know, the

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Austro Hungarian their Austro Hungarian allies. But you know that

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and and and that, and there was not a lot

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of real scholarship about that that could be viewed as

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kind of the the air apparent that people like fit

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the in my opinion, But beyond that, I mean, beyond

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spending with cultural resonance, like in his epoch, he was

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trying to answer the question like what was happening in Germany?

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kind of collision going on between you know, the way

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people understood themselves, you know, racially and Parkley and you know,

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their ability to live in the world. And uh, you

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know this was both this This was both obviously like

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intrinsically bound up with the Great War and that's why

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the Great War happened. But also just like internally, it's

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not some it's not an accident that you know, the

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Bolshek Revolution you know, happened, you know, just on on

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the immediate heels of World War One, and it wasn't

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just because like well this was you know, a crisis

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modality kind of attempted remedy, you know, as the Russian

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state kind of collapsed on itself, like due to the

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fact they were losing the war. I mean, yeah, that

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was like an immediate catalyst, but that that was not

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why it was. That was not why it was approximately

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immerging in absolute terms, Okay, it was these things came,

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these things emerged from the same like nucleus of causal

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variables or operative variables, and you know, the inability of

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culture is to kind of like not just live historically,

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but survive as discreet you know, like kind of modalities

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of human life an organization that really is kind of

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like the crisis of modernity for European men, like non

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whites and non Europeans, that impacts them too in a

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huge way. The Japanese impacted just as much as Europeans were.

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event was. You know, the fact that European culture kind

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of collided with their culture like while the Europeans were

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enduring this process as well, and that really really cost havoc.

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dealt with this. Uh, Nietzsche dealt with this and everybody

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like on the nose kind of way. And yeah, that's true.

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Nietsch wasn't writing about like power, political behavior and activity

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and like very concrete terms. I mean, Spangler appears like abstract,

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you know, to somebody who's like inundated with either analytic

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philosophy or somebody who's kind of like you know, or

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somebody who's kind of like uh habituated, like you know,

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the kind of Anglo like rationalist tradition. But I mean

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something that philosophers generally did. Okay. I don't I think

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of a pure like playable theorist, who's who's uh whose?

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the historical process and his relationship the culture and race. Okay,

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real Lard, I I I think the from philosopher is

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the terms that I just described. But bring it back

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it was what you could find it like you know,

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the public library or like what you could find you know,

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they had. So I realized, like reading Spangler, like I was,

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this this especially, he's understanding kind of like the tragedy

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of of the you know, the kind of the German

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situation in the twentieth century. And from there, I'd run

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across the name Francis Parker, Yaki a whole lot owing

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in part too. I was always reading Willis Carter's stuff,

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you know, American Free Press, which I still like periodically

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pick up today. But Cardo is kind of a he

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like right wing type guy, like anti communists. But he's

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intelligence agent. He was like kind of the cosumon Van

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artists like JACQUI was trying to convince the man the

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street of the merit of his ideas. You know, he

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was discripped. I mean he I think the first front

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Runavan period was like five hundred copies. And then I

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mean that wasn't just because like he wasn't flush with money.

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to millions of people. But and then even Cardo even

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though Carlo's personal kind of ideological uh bearing didn't have

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anything to do with Yaki. He was one of the

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last people to see Yaki alive because when Yaki was arrested,

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Carter went to visit him because he knew who he was.

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It's not evenly clear like how that is. But Cardo

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was a rich guy, and he was pretty connected and

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he he seemed to just like know things until the

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end of his life, like he I mean that that's

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whole another episode that we could cover, like kind of

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a mystery of willis Cardo. But if he read Cardo

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Publication's nearly nineties, whether it was a noon tight press

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books or whether it was you know, American free press

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like Frantas, Yaki was always caught popping up, you know,

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and so I'm like, what is this all about? And

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in instoration they made point that like, well, you know,

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Imperium is uh is the sequel to you know, Spanglers

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Decline to the West and the Our Decision and you know,

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man in technics and all these and all these things

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are gonna severally caustic like Spanglers, you know, like diagnosis

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of of you know, the the twentieth century, the Inner Warriors,

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if you will. So I sought it out. I found

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Imperium had used the bookstore. They specially ordered it for

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me because that's what we had to do in those days.

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And I started like diving into it. And the case

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of Yaqui, Yaqui's polemics, some people think it's overwrought to

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understand it. Yaqui was, uh, you know, he was he

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was this upper class Uh he he was. He basically

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like this upper class that kind of like Norrath store dude.

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You know, he's using born in Chicago all the way.

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He lived a lot of his life in Michigan, you know,

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educated and Catholic schools, which at that time are kind

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of elite, like at least where he went. You know,

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people then like wrote in a kind of like flor language.

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It wasn't a kind of like obnoxious, like moronic, soaring

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language like like people attempt today. But you know that

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a couple of the fact that Yaqui was a trial lawyer.

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You know that that's kind of the way to understand

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his style, which I understand like put some people off,

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but I found it highly resonant because he was one

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of the few I mean yaquently thought more like a

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European than he did, you know, an American, and a

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lot of that owes to his cultural Catholicism. I'm not

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saying that punitively, quite the contrary, but so I mean

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he he gets sexualized things a bit differently in somebody

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like I would in terms of you know, what he

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initially found himself attracted to or instinctively rather than initially.

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But you know, Yaqui put he kind of put the

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European experience in like an American context. He you know,

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and tied this into a Hitler's significance. You know, the

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people in Anglophone societies, you know who who found themselves

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you know, sympathetic to the Axis cause in very absolute term,

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which at that time you know, it was like very

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much like a hot issue when there was more people

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who felt that way than is often acknowledged. I mean,

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the uh, you know, the America First Committee was not

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something that I mean they had Broadway support. So I

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mean that was I mean Yaqui's book, it was I mean,

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reading imperiod. Part of it is you know apologia for

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you know, kind of America First in like deep philosophical terms,

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but also you know it. It puts in context the

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then you know, emergent Cold War and what in Yaki's

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view was truly at stake, and that was pretty revolutionary.

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And Yaka made the point again and again, and one

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of his essays, which is hard to find now, it

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was called in the year two thousand, Yaqui predicted the

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Soviet Union would break apart, just like Kennon did you know,

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He's like, this isn't sustainable. You know, the USSR as

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we know it is not going to exist, you know,

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in fifty years. But he's like, Russia will still exist,

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and at some point point we're gonna have to deal

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with these people number one, you know, like us as

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like you know, occidental white Westerners or whatever your preferred

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kind of the scriptor is. But also you know, he said,

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you know, his point was that like Russia even you know,

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when when it when it's when it's when the kind

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of artificial like modernist guys you know, of of communism

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like sloughs off of it. It's it's gonna be truly

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emergent as you know, a kind of antithesis element you

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know to the uh, the basically judaic American you know, uh,

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you know, uh, h Ethos, And uh, that's very true.

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I mean Yaki was not like a Russophile in fact,

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in a lot of ways, like he kind of looked

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down on Slavs. And I mean that's clear. I mean

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the guy who was very much like a national socialist.

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So like everybody, people people have to be stupid on

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purpose about Yaqui and for and either say that like

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to sympathetic to cool Bolshevikism, which is fucking retarded, or

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that he was like some kind of like Russophile who

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just like love was like sitting around like I don't know,

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I get like reading the Brothers Karmezov or something like.

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That's not at all what he's saying. You know. What

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he was saying is that, you know, a truly unipolar

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world where you've got you know, basically kind of uh,

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you know, you've truly got this. You know, you've got

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a single locui of of a global power you know,

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in America, and it's and it's kind of client regimes

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all of which are basically you know, kind of reduced

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to appendages of this this it's literally like you know,

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Jewish and kind of deteriorated, you know, kind of like

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post cultural anglophone mode of of of a I'm not

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just you know, I'm not as like, not as a

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cultural organization, but of like ethical disposition, you know. And

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that's that's basically the worst possible outcome you can imagine

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for culture, Okay, and uh, really the only way to

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mitigate that is do uh it's for you. I mean,

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Europe's gotta stand with Russia for pragmatic reasons. But also again,

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like it doesn't matter if you like Russia or hate Russia,

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this is totally irrelevant. I mean that Russia is the

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natural counterweight to that tendency in all kinds of ways,

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because Russia is basically anti American and Russia is basically

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like rapidly anti Jewish. Okay, it's Russia anti European, Yeah,

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they are. And don't understand the Bolshek Revolution is kind

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of like, you know, the the kind of the kind

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of primitive indigenous like Peasants Slavic element, you know, finding

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common cause and alliance with uh, you know, the cosmopolitan

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Jewish mercantile element to literally exterminate you know, the European

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overtask that you know, had reigned and Russia since the

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days of the Varangian Russ Okay, but that doesn't matter. Again,

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it's not there's not a risk of Russia becoming this.

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There is not. It has not been a risk of

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Russia becoming this you know, truly global power since nineteen

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eighty nine. It's this idea that like, well, you know,

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Russia is just as bad as you know, what we're

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dealing with. Now, that's not true at all. That doesn't

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make any sense, and not just because in terms of

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like power, projection, capability and potentiality, but you know the

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reason why it sounds like a trivial thing, but the

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one of the short poppings of warsaw pack and man control.

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In terms of integrated forces, there was a short like

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like like Russian officers wouldn't bother to learn German a

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lot of the time, you know, there was like literally

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like a language barrier between like them and like you know,

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like you know, like national Volks, aren't you forcing under

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their command? You know, things like there's just there was

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like a distance there, you know, the like if you

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want to understand how why the American and kind of

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cultural genocide social engineering of Germany was possible, it's because

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like an Anglophone society, you know, a basically cosmopolitan European

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society like America still was, like America was definitely in

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nineteen forty nine and still somebody is today that was

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anglophoning character that's able to insinuate itself into into German

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culture almost like at the cellular level. I mean people

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say the thing of being silly, but I think it

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almost like the thing, you know, like the Little Horror movie,

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like that was just not possible for Russians, you know,

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like the Soviet Union, even if they said about even

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if you know, even if that had been kind of

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like a dedicated effort of there is like look we're

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gonna we're gonna truly kind of like rucify you know,

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the DDR, it wouldn't have worked, you know, like it

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just wouldn't have you know you're talking about truly. Yeah,

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in like border areas especially, you know, like you would yeah,

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there would have been people who are basically like you know,

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like like Slavonic Germans, but generally like he wouldn't you

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you wouldn't have had like every like you know, every

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like East German school kid like just like casually learning

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Russian by osmosis and like you wouldn't have had like,

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you know, German ladies deciding y' all wanted to look

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like the Russian women in the magazines, like you wouldn't.

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I mean, like that just would not happen, okay, And

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that stuff you better believe that happened in the boon

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this republic, Okay. And it wasn't just because like, oh,

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America's got good propaganda and Coca cola, you know, I

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mean that's these are real things, okay. So all of that.

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Taking it back to kind of get an original query,

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I mean that that that kind of is what being to

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like put the world in perspective to me, And I

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always knew there was something wrong post Reagan. I think

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Bush forty one was a pretty and within the bount

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of rationality of you know, kind of uh of of

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what American government is and has been in nineteen thirty three.

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I think Bush forty one is basically a serious guy

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and a good commander in chief, even if I I've

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got nothing nice to say about him otherwise. But even

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by nineteen ninety one ninety two, there was this kind

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of like bizarre triumphulist language peeping into American discourse that

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just made me WinCE, and you know, uh, I could

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tell that the culture has been coarsened. I don't. I

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don't just mean like, you know, things becoming kind of

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like more like lurid and pornographics part of it, but

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I mean like things would be were becoming like less

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and less serious and just kind of like just more

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and more like idiotic, you know, and it uh, you know,

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I realized kind of like yawning chasm here where there

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should be like a culture, you know, when it and

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they had a couple of the fact that I realized

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it's I'm everybody's sick of hearing this, and it, you know, sudden,

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I just saw some cantankerous old guy telling people to

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confort blessings. But the early nineties in America really were

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like really fucked up. I mean you remember that, and

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you know, like racilations were in the toilet, you know,

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like I literally have to like think about like where

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I couldn't couldn't go, like I'm talking about it, drones

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like Chicago cooks like you'd like fucking get killed and

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like you know, from being white and like that's not

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that way.

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Speaker 1: Remember the freaking Special Forces was literally in Los Angeles.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, two.

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Speaker 1: Thousand Korean businesses were burnt to the ground.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, it's more in the streets and the marines.

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The fat of my Iraq, we're fucking shooting it out

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with like the grave street crips and stuff. But you know,

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like it's not like bad people think things are today

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and then like a marriage in a bad place. They

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don't get me wrong, I'm not gonna like if I

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like disembarking Garbield park of the bus, like I'm not

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gonna get my ass like fucking stopped into this cement

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like for being white. That's not gonna happen, Okay. In

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nineteen ninety two, that absolutely would happen. Okay. So it's

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like all these things on like my teenage mind, like

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YAQUI really put this in perspective, you know, I mean,

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there's not I'm the first. I'm always telling people, especially youngsters,

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like like you can't you can't like find answers to

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the world, especially like politics, like in books, and you can't.

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It's like the wrong there's not like a crystals version

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into like you know, political occurrences or something. But in

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fear terms, particularly in a place like America where there's

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where there's there's like bizarre signaling and in terms of

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the propaganda narrative that doesn't really make sense and is

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that get distracted from any kind of concrete experience. It

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is essential to have, you know, kind of like the

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pole stars as it were, like the parameters rather like

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provided by you know, like theoretical scholarship. And Yaki, Yeah,

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I realized Yaqui is a polemisist. I realize he's like

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a big national socialist. He's not, and he didn't like

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for it to be like, oh, I'm this objective kind

470
00:25:29,920 --> 00:25:36,480
of like diagnostition of historical processes. But Yaki, you really

471
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:38,519
put everything in perspective of me, like, Okay, this is

472
00:25:38,559 --> 00:25:41,200
why the this, this, this is why the this is

473
00:25:41,200 --> 00:25:42,720
why the problem in the ground with the races is

474
00:25:42,720 --> 00:25:44,960
the way it's in America. You know, this is why

475
00:25:44,960 --> 00:25:47,240
the culture seems so coarse and just like moronic. This

476
00:25:47,319 --> 00:25:49,440
is like what it's trying to accomplish. You know, this

477
00:25:49,519 --> 00:25:52,200
is why like the leadership cast seems so like flavoringly

478
00:25:52,319 --> 00:25:55,000
like either just corrupt or disengaged. Because this is why

479
00:25:56,400 --> 00:25:58,039
at that time in Europe two like you know, tu

480
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:01,920
Jma's Croatia like helmet Cole in a kind of one

481
00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:04,400
of the most singularly patriotic acts post war by German

482
00:26:04,480 --> 00:26:08,720
Chancellor immed the recognizing the pendent state of Croatia. Uh,

483
00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:10,680
you know, and then and and then and and Bush

484
00:26:10,720 --> 00:26:12,559
and Baker like hit the roof when he did that.

485
00:26:12,759 --> 00:26:17,680
But that that's what prevented like, uh, you know, some

486
00:26:17,799 --> 00:26:20,160
kind of a you know, some some some kind of

487
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:25,480
contrivance of you know, democratic Yugoslavia from enduring and uh

488
00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:28,119
you know the Croati the twos one Croatio was a

489
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:33,079
national social state literally, okay, something that that came into

490
00:26:33,079 --> 00:26:37,799
perspective too, and like why you know like that where

491
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:40,599
like that was that was quite literally unfinished business, you know,

492
00:26:40,599 --> 00:26:43,839
from nineteen forty five. I mean that's kind of how

493
00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:45,960
I me. That's pretty much like how it came to

494
00:26:46,039 --> 00:26:51,920
Yackey and then I from there. Uh. I've uh, I've

495
00:26:52,119 --> 00:26:54,400
kind of moved beyond like based just about everything I've

496
00:26:54,440 --> 00:26:57,160
read I was reading when I was a teenager, except

497
00:26:57,160 --> 00:26:59,799
for stuff like obviously like Aristotle and and and and like.

498
00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:03,680
But you know, I continue to defend Yaki you particularly,

499
00:27:03,759 --> 00:27:06,039
and I found I don't believe these like internet guys,

500
00:27:06,400 --> 00:27:08,920
especially in university types I mean a lot of these guys,

501
00:27:09,440 --> 00:27:11,440
they they never read what I write. I think they

502
00:27:11,559 --> 00:27:13,000
like see the way I look or something, and they

503
00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:15,000
they act like a haughty and like act like I'm

504
00:27:15,039 --> 00:27:17,720
stupid or something. Then they realize like I'm not stupid,

505
00:27:18,119 --> 00:27:19,880
so they just kind of like attack like what I

506
00:27:20,000 --> 00:27:23,480
cite as like authoritative and the Yaki is ridiculous. That's

507
00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,160
just like you know, you might as well read like

508
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:28,359
skinhead magazines. It's like, I don't believe you've read Francis Yaki.

509
00:27:28,519 --> 00:27:31,440
That's what your take. Yeah, I mean it's not it's

510
00:27:31,440 --> 00:27:34,119
it's intellectually highly rigorous, Like I said, you can say

511
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,759
his language is like overwrought in the way that frankly,

512
00:27:37,519 --> 00:27:41,559
you know people who's kind of introduction to to uh

513
00:27:42,279 --> 00:27:44,720
you know, like adult intellectual life of apprentis a lot

514
00:27:44,759 --> 00:27:48,039
and that's unfortunate. But uh like you can't say it's

515
00:27:48,039 --> 00:27:50,119
like not serious and then it's like some stupid like

516
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:54,720
racialist like rant or something like it's not you know.

517
00:27:54,880 --> 00:27:56,519
So I don't I believe a lot of like what's

518
00:27:56,599 --> 00:28:00,839
levied against Yaki, particularly by these liked of still appointed

519
00:28:00,920 --> 00:28:03,640
like academic gatekeeper types. I don't believe they've like even

520
00:28:03,640 --> 00:28:06,359
a right imperium, you know, put imperium is like seven

521
00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:09,480
hundred pages. You know, it's like it's and it's it's

522
00:28:09,559 --> 00:28:13,240
it's pretty heavy stuff, you know, like it's not just

523
00:28:13,279 --> 00:28:15,319
that you can like flip through like a couple hours

524
00:28:15,319 --> 00:28:17,559
on a Saturday. So I think a lot of like

525
00:28:17,799 --> 00:28:21,519
what people say, you know, to kind of make fun

526
00:28:21,559 --> 00:28:24,480
of people say, yuck, you don't think they really read it,

527
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:27,039
but they pretend it's like reading like George log and

528
00:28:27,160 --> 00:28:29,559
Rockwell or something like. It's not it's not at all,

529
00:28:29,599 --> 00:28:34,119
you know, like it's totally and uh, I mean the

530
00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:35,599
point of people too. And this is a bit of

531
00:28:35,599 --> 00:28:38,839
a tangent, but you know the Falcon and the Snowman,

532
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:42,200
which is a fascinating story and like a great film,

533
00:28:42,400 --> 00:28:45,160
and Chris Boyce, you know, the guy, I mean, he

534
00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:48,039
was a real guy. I mean that that movie really happened,

535
00:28:48,039 --> 00:28:53,160
and basically it happened the terms presented. But he had

536
00:28:53,160 --> 00:28:55,400
a blog in the two thousands when he got into prison.

537
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,079
He didn't got a prison until like two thousand and

538
00:28:57,119 --> 00:29:01,880
three or something, you know, but he uh, you know,

539
00:29:01,920 --> 00:29:03,759
and he didn't want to talk a lot about his

540
00:29:03,880 --> 00:29:08,799
espionage charges, but he what he did say, and we

541
00:29:08,839 --> 00:29:12,160
did reiterate, was that, you know, he had no affinity

542
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,640
for the Soviet Union or for communism at all, you know,

543
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:17,680
and he's like, I never started identifying as like as

544
00:29:17,720 --> 00:29:21,119
a practicing cantalic. You know, he's like, but America couldn't

545
00:29:21,119 --> 00:29:23,319
be allowed to just win the Cold War in absolute

546
00:29:23,440 --> 00:29:25,480
terms any more than the Soviet Union to be allowed

547
00:29:25,480 --> 00:29:29,039
to do that. And he was right, you know, boys

548
00:29:29,079 --> 00:29:31,119
said that he had the energy and and kind of

549
00:29:31,799 --> 00:29:34,039
fervor of a young man and thinking he could change

550
00:29:34,079 --> 00:29:36,640
these things like you can't, okay, like nothing any one man,

551
00:29:36,720 --> 00:29:39,279
no matter what kind of no matter what kind of

552
00:29:39,359 --> 00:29:42,799
secrets or intelligence he had access to their military knowledge,

553
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:45,319
you know, could have like changed the course of of

554
00:29:45,319 --> 00:29:50,559
of the Soviet Union. But his his impulse was correct, Okay,

555
00:29:50,640 --> 00:29:52,440
even if it was like, even if it was a

556
00:29:52,519 --> 00:29:55,319
youthful romanticism, and it was ridiculous to think like he

557
00:29:55,319 --> 00:29:59,079
could change the course sumptionally o the way the wars

558
00:29:59,119 --> 00:30:02,039
up bang was going. He was right that something terrible

559
00:30:02,039 --> 00:30:04,799
would happen if America simply just like outright won the

560
00:30:04,799 --> 00:30:09,759
Cold War. You know, there needs to be that kind

561
00:30:09,759 --> 00:30:11,640
of uh. I mean, I think the American garments in

562
00:30:11,680 --> 00:30:15,839
ninety thirty three is literally evil. But even if somebody's

563
00:30:15,839 --> 00:30:19,519
got a softer, more terrible, charitable perspective on it than that,

564
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,319
you know, aganistic pluralism as well like chiefs, like politics,

565
00:30:24,359 --> 00:30:30,160
like productive and I and you know, is what prevents, uh,

566
00:30:30,359 --> 00:30:34,480
you know, the establishment of these uh of these these

567
00:30:34,519 --> 00:30:40,559
kinds of deteriorated uh like monocultural uh you know, mechanisms

568
00:30:40,599 --> 00:30:43,599
that that that basically suppressed culture where it's emergent in

569
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:47,480
any in any formness, you know, threatening the status quote.

570
00:30:47,920 --> 00:30:49,440
I realized it was a lot there, but that's the

571
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,599
best way you explain it, all right.

572
00:30:52,119 --> 00:30:54,759
Speaker 1: I wanted to go back to Spangler because in reading

573
00:30:55,039 --> 00:30:59,640
u Qussian Socialism, there was something he said in there

574
00:30:59,839 --> 00:31:04,079
that I think a lot of Americans and Westerners would

575
00:31:04,079 --> 00:31:07,839
have a problem with, especially since you know, I think

576
00:31:07,839 --> 00:31:13,119
he wrote that nineteen twenty. So he said that the

577
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:18,480
Englishman judges himself upon his riches and the Prussian judges

578
00:31:18,559 --> 00:31:19,920
himself upon his rank.

579
00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 2: I mean, it's so true to that. Yeah, I don't

580
00:31:26,480 --> 00:31:29,559
Werner Sombard made a lot of the same points, and

581
00:31:29,559 --> 00:31:34,519
the way to understand I mean, that's why to be

582
00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:39,240
a bit more charitable to the English, you know, the

583
00:31:39,559 --> 00:31:44,240
the UK and England itself. It's it's an inception. It

584
00:31:44,279 --> 00:31:47,359
was a divided society. There wasn't some like single ethnos

585
00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:49,799
that became the English people. I mean, you know all

586
00:31:49,839 --> 00:31:53,119
of this, but you're an Iran educated guy. But like

587
00:31:53,160 --> 00:31:56,319
that's gotta be this this idea of like this homogeneous

588
00:31:56,359 --> 00:31:59,240
kind of England. And it's why I especially bizarre when

589
00:31:59,480 --> 00:32:02,559
you know the kind of cargo cult multiculturalism in England.

590
00:32:03,000 --> 00:32:06,599
It's like it's like England's always been like catastrophically multicultural.

591
00:32:06,599 --> 00:32:08,480
They didn't even get a handle on this, arguably until

592
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:12,079
the twentieth century. You know, like the experience of Prussia

593
00:32:12,160 --> 00:32:15,279
was totally different. I mean Prussia was this garrison state

594
00:32:17,519 --> 00:32:21,480
you know, with uh like with that with with barely

595
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:28,480
any arable land, no, no naturally defensible you know border features.

596
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,279
You know it Uh, it basically makes sense and I

597
00:32:32,279 --> 00:32:37,279
don't disagree and this, Uh, that's one of the reasons why,

598
00:32:37,519 --> 00:32:43,119
like you know, class antagonism has conceptualized, and that's that's

599
00:32:43,119 --> 00:32:44,640
one of the reason why I was off based for

600
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,759
for for Mars to look to Germany is like this

601
00:32:46,799 --> 00:32:48,720
is where like you know, Mars's Leninism is going to

602
00:32:48,759 --> 00:32:50,640
be this where you know this where you know, common

603
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:53,799
is gonna be emergent. Then later like lenin Like attempting

604
00:32:53,799 --> 00:32:58,359
the same the same enterprise or attending to implement that

605
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:02,680
enterprise is is theorized by Mars like it, Yeah, okay, Germany,

606
00:33:02,759 --> 00:33:04,480
like obviously it was gonna be first over the line

607
00:33:04,519 --> 00:33:07,680
in terms of the productive productive forces that could facilitate

608
00:33:08,079 --> 00:33:10,519
you know, uh, like true socialism in the sense of

609
00:33:10,559 --> 00:33:15,400
vision by people like Marx. But the class antagonists catalyst

610
00:33:15,759 --> 00:33:19,160
is not really present in Germany. I mean it's not

611
00:33:19,200 --> 00:33:22,440
to say like the KPD wasn't very strong, but again,

612
00:33:22,519 --> 00:33:24,839
like the KPD got defeated and of you know what

613
00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:26,799
I'm always do, like a fair fight by the right

614
00:33:26,880 --> 00:33:31,440
in Germany. I mean that didn't happen in Russia. Obviously,

615
00:33:31,480 --> 00:33:34,039
the opposite happened because you know, in spite of the

616
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:40,079
lack of the technics and infrastructure, the class antagonism was vicious,

617
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,319
you know. And in the UK the reason the British

618
00:33:43,359 --> 00:33:47,960
were paranoid, absolutely paranoid about Bolshevism, they were for good reasons,

619
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,880
you know, I mean, there there was uh, there was

620
00:33:53,279 --> 00:33:56,039
there there was this basic class antagonism. I mean at

621
00:33:56,039 --> 00:33:59,359
the point that it's it's it's like you could argue

622
00:33:59,359 --> 00:34:03,359
that like in some ways like the what people kind

623
00:34:03,400 --> 00:34:06,400
of politely and you physically approves like the big classes

624
00:34:06,599 --> 00:34:08,880
class system. I mean you're talking about people are basically

625
00:34:08,920 --> 00:34:11,440
like well private purposes, like different ethnic roofs, man like

626
00:34:11,559 --> 00:34:14,199
they and genetically I think they'll dare out too in

627
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,559
some sense. Okay, Like it's not it's that that's quite

628
00:34:17,559 --> 00:34:19,599
a different thing than you know it plays like Prussia

629
00:34:20,440 --> 00:34:23,719
where uh like like you really do have like a

630
00:34:23,760 --> 00:34:26,199
common culture and yeah, I mean there's people, you know,

631
00:34:26,239 --> 00:34:28,639
there's people like higher rank and lower rank, you know,

632
00:34:28,679 --> 00:34:31,880
and there's there's obviously you know, people have of vastly

633
00:34:31,960 --> 00:34:35,159
disparate abilities, but you don't have like one class of

634
00:34:35,199 --> 00:34:38,599
people concentrated, you know, in like one function like looking

635
00:34:38,639 --> 00:34:41,079
across these other people who are like literally totally different

636
00:34:41,079 --> 00:34:43,199
from them, Like they like look different, they talk different,

637
00:34:43,239 --> 00:34:46,239
they act different, you know, like they their customs are different.

638
00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,079
Like it's just not that's not the case. So I

639
00:34:49,159 --> 00:34:53,000
think that's basically true. And it's also it you know

640
00:34:56,440 --> 00:35:00,840
stand Barts and uh, there was a whole point too,

641
00:35:02,199 --> 00:35:05,679
was that there's something, uh, I mean the there there

642
00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:11,159
there there is something. Uh, you know, cultures are kind

643
00:35:11,159 --> 00:35:12,960
of like someone to drift in history. I mean the

644
00:35:13,039 --> 00:35:16,199
way I mean, the way they manage these like emergent challenges.

645
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,760
I mean, obviously that's evolutional, but there's also this this

646
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:22,960
idea that uh, this idea that like if we ignore

647
00:35:23,079 --> 00:35:25,159
like this kind of impulse or socialism, it will go away.

648
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:27,280
And if we like outlawed, or if we you know,

649
00:35:28,480 --> 00:35:31,360
or if we just you know, or if we make

650
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,760
it fair to everybody that you know, there's there's not

651
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:35,599
a limited amount of wealth in the world. And you know,

652
00:35:35,639 --> 00:35:38,599
if they if they just developed the gumption and industriousness,

653
00:35:38,679 --> 00:35:41,119
like the two, can become rich. And that's not this

654
00:35:41,320 --> 00:35:43,519
not the way things work. I'm not even saying like

655
00:35:43,559 --> 00:35:46,760
ethical terms. I mean it's just like not like like

656
00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:55,039
man individually or or man severally or collectively, you know,

657
00:35:55,159 --> 00:35:59,159
at at at the at the cultural level and as

658
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:04,039
regards as historical enterprises is not is a very limited

659
00:36:04,079 --> 00:36:08,360
participant man, you know. And there's something cotton E. Europeans

660
00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:11,079
always understood that, or rather accepted that in a way

661
00:36:11,119 --> 00:36:14,400
that the English didn't. It's not my purpose is here

662
00:36:14,440 --> 00:36:16,880
in just like trash England is you know, is I

663
00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:18,960
know some git's a hobby for some people, particularly in

664
00:36:19,000 --> 00:36:23,679
our circles. But this idea that you know, oh, we

665
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:26,519
can just author you know, like we just kind of

666
00:36:26,559 --> 00:36:28,239
we can just kind of like author like a well

667
00:36:28,280 --> 00:36:32,119
functioning society by you know, resorts you know, kind of

668
00:36:32,159 --> 00:36:35,960
like sound principles of economics or something like this, or

669
00:36:36,199 --> 00:36:38,679
by resorts you know, like social science, like that's actually

670
00:36:38,719 --> 00:36:42,280
a very, that's actually a very, that's actually like a

671
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,320
very anglophone thing. I think that's part of it. All

672
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,079
those things, but I don't put them in a lead disagree.

673
00:36:48,079 --> 00:36:51,199
You know, you have sometimes overstated.

674
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:55,679
Speaker 1: When you read a lot of the writings from the

675
00:36:55,800 --> 00:37:00,559
early twenties. I just read Schmidt's political theology on the show.

676
00:37:01,639 --> 00:37:06,320
You you see that they're struggling with this new world

677
00:37:06,920 --> 00:37:09,519
that you know, World War One changed so much, and

678
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:13,599
now you know, if you have a monarchy left, it's

679
00:37:13,639 --> 00:37:17,239
a parliamentary monarch. He had some monarchy had name. Only

680
00:37:18,639 --> 00:37:22,960
when Spangler is looking at Europe and he's seeing those changes,

681
00:37:23,199 --> 00:37:26,320
how is he how is he interpreting what he sees?

682
00:37:27,400 --> 00:37:32,679
Speaker 2: I mean the uh well, I mean it's again he's

683
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:36,519
there's there's a common strain in Spangler and Schumpeter and

684
00:37:36,599 --> 00:37:41,480
in and in Sombart the reason why socialism was on

685
00:37:41,559 --> 00:37:45,039
their mind. You know, Speter was Trumpeter, like Spangler was

686
00:37:45,039 --> 00:37:47,840
probably the most like anti socialist figure. You can imagine.

687
00:37:48,440 --> 00:37:50,400
Like they didn't say it. They weren't saying socialisms and

688
00:37:50,480 --> 00:37:53,280
inevitability because oh, this is the merchant history and this

689
00:37:53,360 --> 00:37:57,360
is progress. They're saying that. You know, once like x

690
00:37:57,519 --> 00:38:00,920
level of development is accomplished, and when you have verstal suffrage,

691
00:38:01,400 --> 00:38:04,559
you know, people are going to like vote themselves more. Uh,

692
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:07,840
They're they're gonna they're they're gonna say the golden goose

693
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:11,320
by voting themselves in in in the tunery. Okay, Like

694
00:38:11,400 --> 00:38:14,480
as a culture, how do you manage that? You know,

695
00:38:14,679 --> 00:38:16,119
it's like, well, if you have that, what you know,

696
00:38:16,159 --> 00:38:18,480
the Germans used to call the mentioned material to kind

697
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,440
of mitigate that because you have an industrious people, you know,

698
00:38:21,679 --> 00:38:23,599
you do whatever you can, uh, you know, kind of

699
00:38:23,639 --> 00:38:27,719
martial those energies you know towards uh, towards things that

700
00:38:27,840 --> 00:38:31,000
facilitate you know, competitiveness on the world market, you know,

701
00:38:31,079 --> 00:38:35,039
and that you know, frankly facilitate you know, the ability

702
00:38:35,079 --> 00:38:39,119
to to uh, to constitute a fearsome army that can

703
00:38:39,159 --> 00:38:42,800
appropriate what you can't produce at home. But this is

704
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:46,760
an ongoing problem and with the absence of a mitigating

705
00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,840
you know, the kind of the kind of a fatalistic

706
00:38:50,079 --> 00:38:52,079
the understanding of the kind of like fatalism of of

707
00:38:52,400 --> 00:38:54,280
of of God's dominion, I mean, is the way I

708
00:38:54,400 --> 00:38:57,639
logantic I'm a Bible prod or you know, if you're

709
00:38:57,760 --> 00:39:00,360
just some kind of agnostic who nonetheless accepts you know that,

710
00:39:00,599 --> 00:39:02,360
you know, the process of history is something that man

711
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:08,000
is not truly the power to shape for control. You know,

712
00:39:08,079 --> 00:39:10,199
You've got you've got to become comfortable with like a

713
00:39:10,280 --> 00:39:13,000
certain amount of like, you know, surrender to these processes.

714
00:39:13,079 --> 00:39:18,639
They're like greater than man is. Okay, the the deterioration

715
00:39:18,760 --> 00:39:21,000
of government into this guy you know from you know

716
00:39:21,079 --> 00:39:24,039
kind of the kind of you know from kind of

717
00:39:24,079 --> 00:39:27,960
like you know, the on the nose like theological kind

718
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,119
of symbolism a monarchy, and they're just kind of like

719
00:39:30,199 --> 00:39:34,039
a parliament to take a glorified public works administration that

720
00:39:34,599 --> 00:39:39,760
that that has a very corrupting effect. And uh, that's

721
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:43,880
why Spangler, you know, he held out the Prussian state.

722
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,400
It's not like it's not like span some like military

723
00:39:48,440 --> 00:39:51,880
man or some Prussian martinette himself. You know, he was

724
00:39:52,400 --> 00:39:53,559
he was he was like he was kind of like

725
00:39:53,599 --> 00:39:56,840
the consummate, like you know, burger type. Uh. And he

726
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,159
was you know, like a bookish, kind of like timid guy.

727
00:39:59,440 --> 00:40:03,280
Like what he was saying was that, you know, really

728
00:40:03,960 --> 00:40:06,679
the only state that can survived this process, you know,

729
00:40:06,760 --> 00:40:10,280
with an with an intact culture that is prone to

730
00:40:10,639 --> 00:40:15,119
you know, things like you know, sustaining it's it's it's

731
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:20,559
human quality with you know, with appropriately hygienic praaspets practices

732
00:40:20,920 --> 00:40:25,039
figura me literally, and that you know, is capable of

733
00:40:25,400 --> 00:40:28,840
you know, generating the wealth that's going to be you

734
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:34,039
know rapidly kind of cycled through and consumed you know,

735
00:40:34,119 --> 00:40:37,840
by the voracious monster that is you know, the you know,

736
00:40:37,920 --> 00:40:43,320
the the parliament, the europe the modern parliamentary parliamentary democracy.

737
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:49,199
You know, a state, a state with the Prussian ethos

738
00:40:49,559 --> 00:40:55,480
extrapolated you know, to to potentially a continent size uh,

739
00:40:57,199 --> 00:41:01,400
great space, great sovereign space would would be what's required.

740
00:41:01,760 --> 00:41:04,199
And I basically agree with that, and I mean that's

741
00:41:04,239 --> 00:41:08,360
why that is obviously in my opinion, like what got

742
00:41:08,519 --> 00:41:14,880
Hitler's interest in Spangler's stuff? You know, Hitler read looked

743
00:41:14,920 --> 00:41:16,360
at maps all the time for the time he was

744
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:20,119
a little child, like literally and like until he died,

745
00:41:20,199 --> 00:41:22,400
until like literally like the week he died. He always

746
00:41:22,400 --> 00:41:24,760
had his maps and his colored pencils, and you know,

747
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:31,079
he he was fixated on geography and you know, implications

748
00:41:31,119 --> 00:41:34,840
they're in both tactical and strategic as well as you know,

749
00:41:35,199 --> 00:41:40,480
culturally and informative capacities. But Hitler didn't sit around reading

750
00:41:40,800 --> 00:41:43,719
like like geopolitics all day. You know. He was int

751
00:41:43,760 --> 00:41:47,440
stuff like Schopenhauer. He was into like I mean, it

752
00:41:47,519 --> 00:41:49,599
was his favorite like philosopher, you know, and he was

753
00:41:49,679 --> 00:41:52,280
into he was into like art theory and stuff like

754
00:41:52,320 --> 00:41:54,599
i I've never heard of before, you know. And he

755
00:41:54,719 --> 00:41:56,639
was into like you know, he was into like you know,

756
00:41:56,719 --> 00:41:59,920
heroepics and German histories. But it's not like Spangler was

757
00:42:00,039 --> 00:42:01,840
kind of thing he ordinarily would have just like been like,

758
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,800
oh this is great, you know it God's attention. Not

759
00:42:04,960 --> 00:42:07,920
just because Spangler again was a guy who had a

760
00:42:07,960 --> 00:42:10,760
lot of clout in the Inner War years. It's because

761
00:42:10,880 --> 00:42:13,639
like that what I just described, like that is what

762
00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:17,400
spoke to Hitler and like basis for that is not

763
00:42:17,599 --> 00:42:20,119
just the table talk, but it's the December eleventh, nineteen

764
00:42:20,159 --> 00:42:25,480
forty one speech to the Reichstag, and that's an important

765
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:29,920
speech for all kinds of reasons. But Hitler, Hitler's talking

766
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:35,159
about the Prussian experience in uh in eighteen thirteen. He's anything,

767
00:42:35,199 --> 00:42:37,519
but he's not. He's not saying the Prussian kingdom. He's

768
00:42:37,519 --> 00:42:40,159
saying we. He's saying he's talking about the German vogue

769
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:43,519
is synonymous with the Prussian state. Okay, And this was

770
00:42:43,599 --> 00:42:47,719
in Hitler was the Habsburg Austrian saying this. I mean

771
00:42:47,800 --> 00:42:50,840
that that to me that it's abou outside the scope.

772
00:42:50,880 --> 00:42:53,320
But that's what convinces me. That's convinced me of what

773
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:59,960
I just said. But that's basically Spangler's notion. I mean,

774
00:43:00,079 --> 00:43:01,880
there's more, there's a lot more there, like in his

775
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,360
body of work, but in terms of what he in

776
00:43:04,440 --> 00:43:07,840
terms of the prescription for how the stage should be

777
00:43:07,920 --> 00:43:12,480
configured and what it's UH and what it's sort of

778
00:43:12,559 --> 00:43:17,079
like guiding UH ideas should be. You know, that's that's

779
00:43:17,159 --> 00:43:19,079
what he's getting in and that's what he's concerned with,

780
00:43:19,239 --> 00:43:25,239
and that's what everybody was concerned with and uh you know, yeah,

781
00:43:25,440 --> 00:43:30,199
I mean that's trumpter and some are because like I said,

782
00:43:30,199 --> 00:43:32,920
I mean they they were quintally concerned the same fundamentally

783
00:43:32,960 --> 00:43:35,480
considered the same thing is because these are questions of

784
00:43:36,159 --> 00:43:38,519
existential imperative significance.

785
00:43:40,199 --> 00:43:45,159
Speaker 1: Let's let's do Yaki now, you and you already mentioned this,

786
00:43:45,400 --> 00:43:49,320
and this is probably the thing that anyone who knows

787
00:43:49,360 --> 00:43:55,000
who finds out something about Yaqui wants to question or

788
00:43:55,119 --> 00:43:58,840
once to use to dismiss him. It's his embracing of

789
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:05,280
the Soviet of the Soviet Union and his reasoning behind that.

790
00:44:06,159 --> 00:44:10,000
And I think a lot of people look at it,

791
00:44:10,400 --> 00:44:12,599
would look now and look at the world and be like,

792
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:15,960
if somebody is honest, they'll be like, well, I think

793
00:44:16,000 --> 00:44:17,960
he was ahead of his time and his thinking in this.

794
00:44:18,519 --> 00:44:21,360
But it's still really hard because you know, we've gone

795
00:44:21,360 --> 00:44:25,679
through this whole, We've had seventy five years of of

796
00:44:25,960 --> 00:44:29,119
the Soviet Union. Was the was our enemy. I mean

797
00:44:29,199 --> 00:44:30,960
we grew up in that way, We grew up that way.

798
00:44:31,039 --> 00:44:33,880
The Soviet Union was was our enemy. You know, if

799
00:44:34,079 --> 00:44:36,639
bombs start dropping, hide into your desk, crying of kind

800
00:44:36,679 --> 00:44:42,079
of crap. So Bayaki saying that the Soviet Union was

801
00:44:43,960 --> 00:44:46,199
that he would support. He was supporting the Soviet Union

802
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,960
at that point. You know, can you go it a

803
00:44:50,039 --> 00:44:52,760
little more into detail his reasoning behind that.

804
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:56,320
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I mean, first and foremost and kind of

805
00:44:56,320 --> 00:44:59,639
the most in the most basic terms and a basic

806
00:44:59,679 --> 00:45:02,760
strugg full terms. It's what I said when I referenced

807
00:45:02,840 --> 00:45:05,599
Chris Boyce with nothing in common with yacky, but I

808
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:10,920
but in in in Jewish, in geopolitical terms, that that

809
00:45:11,119 --> 00:45:14,559
was that that that was, that was the structural issue. Okay,

810
00:45:16,320 --> 00:45:18,840
an American, an American hedgemond would lead to what you

811
00:45:18,920 --> 00:45:20,800
see today. You know, it would lead to the social

812
00:45:20,840 --> 00:45:23,920
engineering of of race out of existence other than the

813
00:45:24,039 --> 00:45:28,079
Jewish races. As a matter of course, like literally at debate,

814
00:45:28,119 --> 00:45:31,039
that's not something conspiracy theory that's literally baked into the

815
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:37,360
American ideology. Okay, and uh even even really not the case.

816
00:45:37,639 --> 00:45:43,800
You don't want in in a twenty first century You

817
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:45,760
did not want to pack sramana in a twenty first

818
00:45:45,760 --> 00:45:50,159
century world, Okay, you just don't. That's not You do

819
00:45:50,320 --> 00:45:55,599
not want great power monopolization of global resources, like singular

820
00:45:55,679 --> 00:45:58,760
great power monopolization of global resources. That's going to be

821
00:45:58,840 --> 00:46:01,519
a tyranny no matter what. So just an absolute like

822
00:46:02,519 --> 00:46:08,320
a political terms, structural terms is that. Secondly, Yaki always

823
00:46:08,599 --> 00:46:11,559
Yaqui's all big point was that he said that like

824
00:46:11,760 --> 00:46:13,400
and then again, part of this is kind of like

825
00:46:13,480 --> 00:46:16,960
a cultural Catholicism, but I'm not saying that cumatively at all.

826
00:46:17,719 --> 00:46:19,519
Yaki's point was like, look, you've got to look at

827
00:46:19,559 --> 00:46:22,639
yourself Americas. White Americans need to look at themselves as

828
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:26,199
as basically like Europeans who live in a new world, Okay,

829
00:46:26,480 --> 00:46:29,000
because if you don't, you're gonna make compromises that ultimately

830
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:31,719
like write you out of history. Okay, and that's what

831
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:37,480
happened in nineteen thirty three New Deal America. And beyond,

832
00:46:37,960 --> 00:46:41,360
it's singularly anti it's anti Western, it's anti white, it's

833
00:46:41,360 --> 00:46:44,000
anti European, and like why wouldn't it be it views

834
00:46:44,039 --> 00:46:48,079
all these things as alien to itself. Okay, it's basically

835
00:46:48,239 --> 00:46:51,000
Jewish such that it has like a cultural orientation at all.

836
00:46:51,599 --> 00:46:54,079
Like the people constantly do it who aren't Jewish, like

837
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:56,480
they might as well be because they don't care and

838
00:46:56,679 --> 00:46:58,719
like what they don't view as hostile, they simply have

839
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:02,840
no interest in preserving. Okay. The only way Europe can

840
00:47:02,920 --> 00:47:06,679
survive is Europe hass to join with Russia. Now Yatu

841
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:10,000
would have preferred, you know, that to have occurred with

842
00:47:10,400 --> 00:47:15,760
you know, you know, the capture of Moscow in December

843
00:47:15,840 --> 00:47:19,360
nineteen forty one, because that didn't happen. Well, we have

844
00:47:19,599 --> 00:47:21,239
you know, we have the world that we have, not

845
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:24,559
the world that we want. So the only way that

846
00:47:24,880 --> 00:47:27,440
Europe is going to throw off the American yoke is

847
00:47:27,519 --> 00:47:34,159
by sometime of concord with the Soviet Union. And after

848
00:47:34,360 --> 00:47:38,400
nineteen fifty three he said that wouldn't be particularly in city.

849
00:47:38,480 --> 00:47:41,880
It's like, yeah, Soviet occupation is a tyranny, but you know,

850
00:47:41,920 --> 00:47:43,719
it's like elite de ben was was that the tyranny

851
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:47,360
of the body. You know, whether Stalin intended to do

852
00:47:47,480 --> 00:47:50,639
this for sectarian and ethnic reasons or whether he just

853
00:47:50,840 --> 00:47:53,199
did it for practical reasons. Because these people constantly with

854
00:47:53,280 --> 00:47:56,119
a threat you know, to the to not just his

855
00:47:56,239 --> 00:48:00,719
own mandate, but the enduring power of the party. Stalin

856
00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:03,559
literally perd Jews from leadership in the Communist Party of

857
00:48:03,679 --> 00:48:07,239
Soviet Union, Okay, and he did so in a way

858
00:48:07,280 --> 00:48:09,679
that was fairly above board. That was that was Yougi's

859
00:48:09,679 --> 00:48:14,559
point about the Prague Trials, Okay, every I mean out

860
00:48:14,559 --> 00:48:17,639
of the Prague Trials were I mean of a of

861
00:48:17,679 --> 00:48:20,159
a satellite regime, you know, it's a satellite regime that

862
00:48:20,920 --> 00:48:26,840
was the subject of it. But it was not either

863
00:48:26,960 --> 00:48:29,280
because that was kind of like a test case. And

864
00:48:29,519 --> 00:48:32,400
every one of the Doctor's plot defenders with Jewish but one, okay,

865
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:33,760
And it's like that, so we don't even trying to

866
00:48:33,840 --> 00:48:36,239
hide was underway here, you know, just like we don't care,

867
00:48:36,440 --> 00:48:38,800
like these people are these people are are Fifth Palamnists,

868
00:48:38,800 --> 00:48:43,320
like they're gonna die, you know, so okay, Yeah, like

869
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:48,760
in Germany, Germany in nineteen fifty or ninety sixty, you know, uh,

870
00:48:49,280 --> 00:48:52,119
in concord with the Soviet Union. Yeah, the people there

871
00:48:52,280 --> 00:48:54,480
were were gonna made him the heel of Stalinism on

872
00:48:54,519 --> 00:48:58,039
their neck. But you know, they wouldn't be being genocided

873
00:48:58,079 --> 00:49:00,800
out of existence, you know, like churches were going to

874
00:49:00,840 --> 00:49:04,000
be replaced with the Holocaust museums. You know, like black immigrants,

875
00:49:04,039 --> 00:49:06,000
we're gonna be flooded into the cities. You know, like

876
00:49:06,119 --> 00:49:08,960
pornography wasn't gonna be flooded made available basically for free.

877
00:49:09,519 --> 00:49:12,760
I mean, like this was a lot lot less insidious Okay,

878
00:49:13,320 --> 00:49:16,119
like being poor and having like, uh, to deal with

879
00:49:16,199 --> 00:49:19,199
a political police force. That's not a small thing that's

880
00:49:19,280 --> 00:49:22,199
fucked up. Nobody would say that's good. That's better than

881
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:26,039
what I just described. Okay. And not only is it

882
00:49:26,119 --> 00:49:29,960
better at day to day terms and in civilizational terms,

883
00:49:30,079 --> 00:49:33,199
you can survive that, you cannot survive the other Okay.

884
00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:38,639
That was Yaki's reasoning. Finally, again Yaki was like Kennon,

885
00:49:38,880 --> 00:49:40,559
He's like, look, the Soviet Union is not going to

886
00:49:40,639 --> 00:49:43,039
exist in fifty years. It's definitely not gonna exist in

887
00:49:43,039 --> 00:49:45,400
one hundred years. From his then for the nineteen fifty

888
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:48,679
he's like, you know, when the Soviet Union's gone, there's

889
00:49:48,679 --> 00:49:50,800
still gonna be a Russia. There's still gonna be in Germany.

890
00:49:50,960 --> 00:49:53,840
You know, there's still gonna be a Europe. You know.

891
00:49:55,679 --> 00:49:59,159
It's you know, so this idea that you know, this

892
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:02,320
is this idea that like, you know, what if if

893
00:50:02,400 --> 00:50:04,960
if we could pitulate, we could picture like the Soviet Union.

894
00:50:05,039 --> 00:50:07,760
Now you know that the world's gonna become this this

895
00:50:08,159 --> 00:50:10,400
you know, is gonna become this kind of like uh,

896
00:50:11,159 --> 00:50:13,880
this kind of like giant gulag hell, you know, is

897
00:50:14,639 --> 00:50:17,199
you know, that's that's fast style I take some exception to.

898
00:50:17,840 --> 00:50:19,119
I mean, I don't want to get into my own

899
00:50:19,159 --> 00:50:22,679
view on this because it's it's it's outside the scope.

900
00:50:22,840 --> 00:50:30,119
But you know, his point was that, you know, there's

901
00:50:30,199 --> 00:50:33,119
nothing less cosmopolitan than the truly like kind of like

902
00:50:33,199 --> 00:50:36,960
Russian cultural soul. Okay, So even if you have like

903
00:50:37,079 --> 00:50:40,639
a europe and particlarly in Germany, like dominated by Russian perpetuity,

904
00:50:41,039 --> 00:50:43,960
you know, gradually like they're gonna slough off, you know,

905
00:50:44,159 --> 00:50:48,039
either the appearance of communism and even and even appeal

906
00:50:48,159 --> 00:50:50,480
to it as some kind of you know ration, like

907
00:50:50,920 --> 00:50:54,159
like purported rationale. You know, for what for what the

908
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:56,639
regime does? You know, you're gonna be left the basis

909
00:50:56,719 --> 00:50:59,639
kind of like this kind of like nationalists Russian regime

910
00:51:00,360 --> 00:51:03,039
that you know might be brutish towards the Germans, but

911
00:51:03,199 --> 00:51:04,599
it's not gonna it's not gonna be it's not gonna

912
00:51:04,599 --> 00:51:07,480
be trying to racially exterminate them out of history, and

913
00:51:07,559 --> 00:51:10,079
it's not gonna be able to insinuate itself into the culture.

914
00:51:10,280 --> 00:51:12,239
Like no, they can Russia not do that. They can't

915
00:51:12,280 --> 00:51:15,280
do that. You're like, damn, like you were not gonna

916
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:17,800
see like Russian kids all just kind of spontaneously speaking

917
00:51:17,880 --> 00:51:20,559
Russian because they viewed the Russians as the higher culture.

918
00:51:20,599 --> 00:51:23,000
You were gonna see like you know, German women, like

919
00:51:23,039 --> 00:51:24,920
deciding you want to dress like you know, like like

920
00:51:25,039 --> 00:51:27,519
Russian women, you're not gonna find you know, German saying

921
00:51:27,760 --> 00:51:29,920
you know what, like you know, I were antellectual canon

922
00:51:29,960 --> 00:51:31,719
is just inferior to that going to be in produced

923
00:51:31,719 --> 00:51:34,480
by the Russians. Like I'm not trashing Russia, but this

924
00:51:34,599 --> 00:51:36,480
is this is a fact, okay, like that that would

925
00:51:36,519 --> 00:51:40,360
not happen. And also again, I mean I use the

926
00:51:40,440 --> 00:51:44,599
example which seems like the kind of narrow, narrowly focused

927
00:51:44,880 --> 00:51:48,480
example of uh, you know, Warsaw pac command of control

928
00:51:48,800 --> 00:51:52,639
having certain challenges, you know, because there was like language barriers.

929
00:51:52,800 --> 00:51:54,039
I mean that that's that part of that was just

930
00:51:54,079 --> 00:51:55,960
like a Russian thing where I'm not gonna learn German,

931
00:51:56,239 --> 00:51:58,199
you know, like I I'm the occupier, I'm the boss,

932
00:51:58,239 --> 00:52:00,760
you know who. I don't care about these people. I mean,

933
00:52:00,760 --> 00:52:02,320
it really is kind of like a crude showing and

934
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:04,639
then a lot of Russians do. I don't even think

935
00:52:04,639 --> 00:52:06,519
that's fairly bad. I'm kind of the same way in

936
00:52:06,599 --> 00:52:10,199
my own like fucking Yankee Pecker would start of weigh, Okay,

937
00:52:10,920 --> 00:52:13,519
I'm not some fucking not so many things like being

938
00:52:13,599 --> 00:52:17,960
casmopolit is this braint thing, okay at all, But whether

939
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:20,480
it's good or bad is incidental, Like that's not what

940
00:52:20,559 --> 00:52:22,920
the Russians are, Like, that's not how they do things. Okay.

941
00:52:23,079 --> 00:52:28,239
So that was Yaki's point, and you know, at the

942
00:52:28,320 --> 00:52:31,239
end of the day, I mean he was he was

943
00:52:31,360 --> 00:52:34,360
right because it's like even if you you can look

944
00:52:34,440 --> 00:52:37,079
at the big rebubtal of that would be like people, uh,

945
00:52:38,119 --> 00:52:39,800
you know, the kinds of people who would say, like

946
00:52:39,840 --> 00:52:41,480
we'll look at what the look at what the Soviets

947
00:52:41,480 --> 00:52:44,119
did in the colored world. You know, they were radicalizing

948
00:52:44,159 --> 00:52:46,639
all these people against the West, Like but like what

949
00:52:46,840 --> 00:52:49,000
was the West? What was the West then? Like the

950
00:52:49,079 --> 00:52:52,960
West was uh, they they were open borders, they were

951
00:52:53,079 --> 00:52:54,960
you know, we've gotta we've got to eliminate, you know,

952
00:52:55,039 --> 00:52:57,360
this this leg of equity between the sexes. We've gotta

953
00:52:57,960 --> 00:53:00,679
we we we we've got to destroy these pairs communities

954
00:53:00,719 --> 00:53:03,000
where people are insisting on retaining their own kind of

955
00:53:03,480 --> 00:53:07,280
purity of ethnos and cultural practice. You know, we gotta,

956
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:09,559
you know, we gotta we we gotta create this kind

957
00:53:09,559 --> 00:53:13,840
of global monoculture, whereas you know, like, uh, we're where

958
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:16,360
we were beyond race, like the Soviets were doing all

959
00:53:16,400 --> 00:53:18,880
of this. Yeah, okay, I don't think it's good that

960
00:53:19,000 --> 00:53:21,079
the Soviets were the you know in the Cubans were

961
00:53:21,119 --> 00:53:25,679
the flowing and forced a you know, it's a the

962
00:53:26,280 --> 00:53:29,199
Africa to annihilate you know, the Board of Republic. But

963
00:53:29,360 --> 00:53:31,519
I mean, okay, in the grand scheme, what I say

964
00:53:31,559 --> 00:53:35,119
is there's out Okay, there was Washington wasn't as far

965
00:53:35,239 --> 00:53:39,199
far far more radical, far more actually communistic, far more

966
00:53:39,280 --> 00:53:42,760
and city is far more destructive than Moscow ever was Okay,

967
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:45,440
and that was the case in nineteen fifty Okay, as

968
00:53:45,480 --> 00:53:48,360
it is today. That was Jockey's point.

969
00:53:50,400 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 1: Let's uh, let's finish up with us. So Jacky gets caught,

970
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:58,000
he gets thrown in jail, and he uh, he ends

971
00:53:58,079 --> 00:53:59,320
up killing himself.

972
00:53:59,559 --> 00:54:03,519
Speaker 2: Indeed, what why do you think he did? I think

973
00:54:04,000 --> 00:54:07,119
Yaki never an H. Thompson, who was his good friend,

974
00:54:07,159 --> 00:54:09,960
and even like decades after the fact, I mean Thompson,

975
00:54:11,880 --> 00:54:14,119
Thompson realized that he was a witness to history in

976
00:54:14,199 --> 00:54:17,880
some sense, so I mean he he he he was

977
00:54:18,000 --> 00:54:20,440
relatively open with interviewers about his own life and his

978
00:54:20,519 --> 00:54:25,360
own kind of experiences. I think he always played kind

979
00:54:25,400 --> 00:54:28,440
of KOI about Yaki, Like Yaki had no visible source

980
00:54:28,480 --> 00:54:31,320
of income. But you know, according to his friends, he

981
00:54:31,400 --> 00:54:33,519
was always addressed well and he never had a lot

982
00:54:33,559 --> 00:54:35,800
of money, but he was never like starving, you know,

983
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:39,559
and he uh, it's pretty clear to me that you know,

984
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:43,159
he was that he was an East Block intelligence asset.

985
00:54:44,039 --> 00:54:48,039
I believe that he made contact with Otto Reemer and

986
00:54:48,159 --> 00:54:52,719
the Socialist Reich's Party when uh he when he when

987
00:54:52,760 --> 00:54:56,719
he when he was briefly a war crimes prosecutor, and

988
00:54:56,800 --> 00:55:01,960
he deliberately lost his cases. I do like lesser war criminals.

989
00:55:02,519 --> 00:55:04,920
But he he went to he was he was held

990
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:06,880
out trying to get to Germany and he did. That's

991
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:09,639
why he wanted to go away. In my opinion, I

992
00:55:09,719 --> 00:55:12,880
believe may kind of the guys like Reamer, you know,

993
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:16,239
Reamer was uh reamerhead of you that I mean, I mean,

994
00:55:18,400 --> 00:55:21,800
you know, uh, the socialsch Party was they they favored

995
00:55:21,800 --> 00:55:23,639
alliance with the Soviet Union. I mean that was the whole,

996
00:55:24,760 --> 00:55:27,880
that was their whole. Raizlin Detro was gonna skew the

997
00:55:28,599 --> 00:55:32,559
the what remained of the German nationalists right towards you know,

998
00:55:32,599 --> 00:55:38,679
away from NATO. But it uh. I believe that through

999
00:55:38,760 --> 00:55:43,119
Reamer he got introduced, uh probably to the probably the

1000
00:55:43,199 --> 00:55:47,079
elements of of East German intelligence and definitely the kg

1001
00:55:47,239 --> 00:55:50,519
B types. And uh, I think that that was Jacky's

1002
00:55:51,599 --> 00:55:53,559
I think that was Yaki's role. And I think what

1003
00:55:53,679 --> 00:55:56,960
I think part of what Yachi was doing was he

1004
00:55:57,119 --> 00:56:00,400
was trying he was working neutralized like him and like

1005
00:56:00,440 --> 00:56:03,199
everybody's so deployed as he was, it was based on

1006
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:05,440
their job like neutralized with the Allies, we're trying to

1007
00:56:05,440 --> 00:56:08,800
accomplish with their like kind of Operation Gladio notions, you know,

1008
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:14,360
they're they're like the Warsaw pack was basically swinging like uh,

1009
00:56:15,079 --> 00:56:18,360
the European like patriotic right and like the fascist right

1010
00:56:18,519 --> 00:56:20,920
like towards their tamp for the reasons I just said,

1011
00:56:21,480 --> 00:56:25,840
and uh, Washington, uh and people like Dallas especially that

1012
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:28,119
was they were very upset about that because obviously, like

1013
00:56:30,039 --> 00:56:31,480
this was a key part of kind of like their

1014
00:56:32,159 --> 00:56:36,440
their strategy for if there was a general communist assault

1015
00:56:36,719 --> 00:56:38,920
on Europe. You know, their stay behind element was these

1016
00:56:38,960 --> 00:56:41,599
guys who like Yaqui was flipping to the Soviet side,

1017
00:56:41,719 --> 00:56:46,440
you know, stuff like that. And he also, yeah, but

1018
00:56:46,639 --> 00:56:49,639
Yaki had like four or five different passports in different names.

1019
00:56:49,679 --> 00:56:52,280
He was arrested, like and this wasn't like today where

1020
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:53,760
you know, if you know the right people you can

1021
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:55,840
get that done, like that could print a passport in

1022
00:56:55,920 --> 00:56:59,320
nineteen fifty you know, like you couldn't do that any typewriter.

1023
00:56:59,480 --> 00:57:02,960
I mean, I I believe that very is very clear.

1024
00:57:04,559 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 1: Do you think from reading Bolton, do you think there's

1025
00:57:09,960 --> 00:57:13,639
a chance he was originally intelligence for the United States.

1026
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:16,920
He goes a wall in the beginning of World War

1027
00:57:17,440 --> 00:57:20,320
in the beginning of World War two, disappears into South

1028
00:57:20,400 --> 00:57:23,599
America and then comes back, and he doesn't do any

1029
00:57:23,719 --> 00:57:27,400
time or it doesn't seem that he's even reprimanded, or

1030
00:57:27,400 --> 00:57:29,519
if he has reprimanded, it's a slap on the it's

1031
00:57:29,559 --> 00:57:30,719
a slap on the rest, I.

1032
00:57:30,719 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 2: Mean as possible. Yeah. And uh. He also he wrote

1033
00:57:35,239 --> 00:57:39,519
he wrote a speech or two for for Senator Joe McCarthy, which, uh,

1034
00:57:40,159 --> 00:57:42,480
you know, the storty of the speech was like why

1035
00:57:42,679 --> 00:57:45,679
you know, we need rearmed Germany and like embrace Germany

1036
00:57:45,760 --> 00:57:49,239
as like allies. It's really interesting, I think, but like

1037
00:57:49,320 --> 00:57:51,719
why why would Joe McCarthy like know who Yacky was?

1038
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,400
I mean, McCarthy was like a big deal then. I mean,

1039
00:57:54,519 --> 00:57:59,119
like his it's gonna his fall from Grace Roverbia Lee

1040
00:57:59,239 --> 00:58:02,239
was dramatic and profound. But you know, McCarthy was one

1041
00:58:02,239 --> 00:58:04,320
of the left still like burns him in fig today

1042
00:58:04,400 --> 00:58:06,119
is because he was like a big deal. So it's

1043
00:58:06,159 --> 00:58:07,840
like why why this big shats senator at all? Just

1044
00:58:07,960 --> 00:58:10,079
kind of like random like right wing lawyer, like that

1045
00:58:10,239 --> 00:58:15,000
doesn't really make a lot of sense, you know, so like,

1046
00:58:15,239 --> 00:58:18,079
uh yeah, so I mean there's a very good chance. Yeah, definitely.

1047
00:58:19,360 --> 00:58:21,920
Speaker 1: All right, let's leave it there and uh, we'll come

1048
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:24,079
back to the Cold War on the next episode. And

1049
00:58:24,280 --> 00:58:28,199
I think this had Cold War implications, so that that's good.

1050
00:58:28,239 --> 00:58:30,800
Oh absolutely, And we can come back to this on

1051
00:58:30,840 --> 00:58:34,480
another date. Drop some plugs and we'll end this.

1052
00:58:35,320 --> 00:58:37,519
Speaker 2: Yeah for sure. Man, thanks for the time being. I'm

1053
00:58:37,519 --> 00:58:39,480
still on Twitter. I think that's probably gonna come to

1054
00:58:39,519 --> 00:58:42,480
an end soon, So I behoove people follow me on substack.

1055
00:58:43,280 --> 00:58:48,119
You know my substick is uh real Thomas seven seven

1056
00:58:48,239 --> 00:58:51,280
seven dot substack dot com. You know, there's like a

1057
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:53,880
whole like there's a there's a whole like chat feature there.

1058
00:58:53,960 --> 00:58:56,440
You know, people are pretty active on I'm on t Gram.

1059
00:58:57,039 --> 00:58:59,000
You know, I still end the time being on Twitter.

1060
00:58:59,440 --> 00:59:04,960
For the time being on Twitter at real Underscore number

1061
00:59:05,039 --> 00:59:09,000
seven h one seven seven seven. I'm working on the

1062
00:59:09,159 --> 00:59:12,480
channel still in earnest. I'm gonna start shooting dedicated content

1063
00:59:12,639 --> 00:59:16,039
for it by the first week in April, so I

1064
00:59:16,119 --> 00:59:19,280
mean be looking for that. It's Thomas PD on YouTube.

1065
00:59:20,199 --> 00:59:22,960
Once I started uploading like real original content, I'm gonna

1066
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:25,719
start saturating like Odyssey and other stuff. But right now

1067
00:59:25,719 --> 00:59:27,880
I'm on YouTube so people can find us. I realize

1068
00:59:27,920 --> 00:59:30,079
that that's not long for the Earth one once they

1069
00:59:30,119 --> 00:59:33,679
figure out what I'm doing. But I will hip everybody

1070
00:59:33,719 --> 00:59:35,960
to that, like on my substack, because I have been

1071
00:59:36,039 --> 00:59:38,880
doing this stuff and that's all I got for know.

1072
00:59:39,400 --> 00:59:41,760
Speaker 1: Well, thank you very much, thanks for this, No, thank

1073
00:59:41,800 --> 00:59:42,119
you man.

1074
00:59:42,639 --> 00:59:43,800
Speaker 2: Take care. Yeah,