WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.320 --> 00:00:06.320 It's Night Side with Dan Ray on WVS, Boston's news radio. 2 00:00:06.839 --> 00:00:10.960 I don't want to channel Bob Lobell, great sportscaster that 3 00:00:11.000 --> 00:00:13.000 I work with at Channel four so many years, but 4 00:00:13.679 --> 00:00:17.559 Brad Marshaan, Why can't we get players like that in Boston. 5 00:00:17.640 --> 00:00:20.160 I'm sure Dan Watkins is heiring me, and he's probably 6 00:00:20.559 --> 00:00:23.280 screaming at the top of his lungs. But I'm only joking. 7 00:00:23.760 --> 00:00:26.440 I hope Marsian wins the Stanley Cup. That's who I'm 8 00:00:26.519 --> 00:00:31.399 rooting for. I don't know Marsian, but I hope he 9 00:00:31.440 --> 00:00:34.200 picks up a Stanley Cup this year. We are not 10 00:00:34.359 --> 00:00:38.280 talking about the Stanley Cup. We're talking about a really 11 00:00:38.399 --> 00:00:40.960 sad story. It was in late April. It was in 12 00:00:41.000 --> 00:00:44.159 a Monday afternoon in April. I think it was April 13 00:00:44.200 --> 00:00:46.479 twenty eighth. If I'm not mistaken, I should check my 14 00:00:46.640 --> 00:00:50.600 calendar here to be absolutely sure. But a little boy, 15 00:00:50.640 --> 00:00:53.600 five year old boy got off his school bus. He 16 00:00:53.719 --> 00:00:57.000 was a kindergarten student at a Boston public school that 17 00:00:57.119 --> 00:01:01.439 was the twenty eighth, got off the bus and somehow 18 00:01:01.600 --> 00:01:08.280 some way of us struck him and he died. And 19 00:01:08.879 --> 00:01:11.280 this has become a big story at least, it's a 20 00:01:11.280 --> 00:01:14.560 big story to me, and it's also a big story 21 00:01:14.599 --> 00:01:20.040 to my guest, Rob Burchie, who is an attorney associated 22 00:01:20.079 --> 00:01:23.680 with the New England First Amendment Coalition. Rob, I guess 23 00:01:24.359 --> 00:01:28.879 let let me leave this in your very competent hands. 24 00:01:29.760 --> 00:01:33.120 This is a case that the New England First Amendment 25 00:01:33.200 --> 00:01:38.920 Coalition is is looking for more information, more public information. 26 00:01:39.640 --> 00:01:43.079 This is a story that has kind of disappeared from 27 00:01:43.120 --> 00:01:49.079 the headlines. Why do we not know more about the 28 00:01:49.120 --> 00:01:54.879 circumstances of the crash that the status of the investigation is. 29 00:01:55.840 --> 00:01:59.959 What was the driving record of this driver who reported 30 00:02:00.319 --> 00:02:02.799 and I believe you folks have on earthed some information 31 00:02:03.400 --> 00:02:06.680 had a pretty poor driving record and maybe arguably never 32 00:02:06.680 --> 00:02:10.280 should have been driving Boston school buses. Welcome to Nightside 33 00:02:10.280 --> 00:02:13.680 first of all, Rob, and maybe you can can can 34 00:02:13.759 --> 00:02:16.039 set the stage for us in terms of the issues 35 00:02:16.080 --> 00:02:18.879 that the New England First Amendment Coalition is I think 36 00:02:18.919 --> 00:02:20.360 so rightfully concerned about. 37 00:02:21.800 --> 00:02:26.000 Thanks some upstand, I'm pleased to be with you. It 38 00:02:26.039 --> 00:02:30.280 is in fact the Transgit case. I was particularly struck 39 00:02:30.560 --> 00:02:34.319 to see the photo in the globe of this boy's 40 00:02:34.960 --> 00:02:42.240 casket emblazoned with Spider Man. You know, it moves your heart. 41 00:02:42.560 --> 00:02:48.960 The transity here is amplified by the fact that we 42 00:02:49.159 --> 00:02:52.159 are able to know so little about the driving history 43 00:02:52.240 --> 00:02:55.759 of the bus driver who struck. 44 00:02:56.879 --> 00:02:57.240 Lens. 45 00:02:58.520 --> 00:03:01.080 What we do know found out is that he was 46 00:03:01.120 --> 00:03:03.759 taken off the road for two days about two weeks 47 00:03:03.759 --> 00:03:08.240 before the accident, for some retraining. We know that he 48 00:03:08.280 --> 00:03:10.879 had four other crashes in the month preceding when he 49 00:03:11.000 --> 00:03:18.400 struck Lens. We have information that he had three other 50 00:03:19.159 --> 00:03:23.759 accident incidents or indicating that he had three other incidents 51 00:03:24.439 --> 00:03:28.919 right before what happened with Lens hitting a parked car, 52 00:03:30.000 --> 00:03:35.639 hitting a rear tire, or something like that. Why don't 53 00:03:35.680 --> 00:03:38.560 we know more? The reason we don't know more is 54 00:03:38.599 --> 00:03:46.080 really the function of well intentioned law called the Work 55 00:03:46.199 --> 00:03:54.960 and Family Mobility Act, which was intended to allow immigrants 56 00:03:55.000 --> 00:03:58.840 to apply for learners permits, to take road tests, and 57 00:03:59.000 --> 00:04:02.439 to obtain drivers licenses without having to give proof of 58 00:04:02.479 --> 00:04:07.039 their being in the country legally. But the wording of 59 00:04:07.080 --> 00:04:11.599 that statute, and particularly the regulations that the Attorney General 60 00:04:12.039 --> 00:04:17.800 implemented to enforce them, are so broad that they essentially 61 00:04:17.839 --> 00:04:21.319 make it impossible to obtain the driving history of any 62 00:04:21.439 --> 00:04:27.720 Massachusetts resident, which is contrary to what the situation was 63 00:04:27.759 --> 00:04:33.480 before the law was passed. Drivers' histories have always been available. 64 00:04:35.040 --> 00:04:37.480 We learned about yeah, go ahead. 65 00:04:37.600 --> 00:04:40.319 Well the other thing that I found interesting, and again 66 00:04:40.360 --> 00:04:44.279 I'm interested in this story. I've done a couple of 67 00:04:44.319 --> 00:04:48.439 hours on the fact that there's so so it's a 68 00:04:48.480 --> 00:04:52.600 real positive information. And John Hilliot from the Globe staff 69 00:04:53.839 --> 00:05:00.160 renewed my attention on this today. And I guess he 70 00:05:00.240 --> 00:05:06.480 had problems here in Massachusetts. But one of the records, 71 00:05:06.519 --> 00:05:11.040 according to the reporter from the Globe, John Hilliard had 72 00:05:11.079 --> 00:05:14.199 speeding tickets in New Jersey in twenty sixteen, Connecticut in 73 00:05:14.199 --> 00:05:18.399 twenty eighteen, and in twenty seventeen, he was in violation 74 00:05:18.519 --> 00:05:21.040 of a New York law of in proper licensed class 75 00:05:21.120 --> 00:05:24.480 or endorsement. Though I guess the details are somewhat sketchy. 76 00:05:25.040 --> 00:05:26.680 This is like a guy that never should have been 77 00:05:26.720 --> 00:05:30.319 driving a school bus. I mean, with this record, it 78 00:05:30.399 --> 00:05:35.720 seems to me, I don't know, and somehow the Massachusetts 79 00:05:35.800 --> 00:05:42.319 and you know, we value transparency. You know, it's up 80 00:05:42.959 --> 00:05:45.920 to your organization, the organization that you're affiliated with, the 81 00:05:45.959 --> 00:05:50.160 New England First Amendment Coalition, to get some of this information. 82 00:05:50.279 --> 00:05:53.120 And I haven't heard much from any of the political leaders. 83 00:05:53.959 --> 00:05:57.680 How frustrating is it to run up against the law 84 00:05:57.720 --> 00:06:01.279 that you characterize as well intentioned back in twenty twenty three, 85 00:06:01.360 --> 00:06:06.480 this Work Family Mobility Act, and realized that the law 86 00:06:06.639 --> 00:06:10.439 was presented as a law which was going to help 87 00:06:10.480 --> 00:06:15.000 people who were here earn a living and get to 88 00:06:15.079 --> 00:06:18.120 work even though they did not have legal status. And 89 00:06:18.160 --> 00:06:21.839 now it seems as if it basically allows a lot 90 00:06:21.839 --> 00:06:26.680 of information to be withheld. I never saw that being 91 00:06:26.759 --> 00:06:29.879 highlighted when this law was passed and we discussed it 92 00:06:30.040 --> 00:06:30.959 a couple of years ago. 93 00:06:32.480 --> 00:06:35.199 Well, you know, Dan, we do say we value transparency 94 00:06:35.279 --> 00:06:40.720 in the Commonwealth, but indeed we have one of the 95 00:06:40.759 --> 00:06:46.399 weakest public record statutes in the country. And the reaction 96 00:06:47.240 --> 00:06:51.439 on this issue has confirmed that meyri Wu and the 97 00:06:51.480 --> 00:06:55.600 school superintendent are both against disclosure of the driving record. 98 00:06:55.920 --> 00:07:00.600 Although I think if you read the regulations, the registry 99 00:07:00.680 --> 00:07:06.600 actually would be allowed to release this information. It's not 100 00:07:06.759 --> 00:07:09.959 required to release the information, but it would be allowed to. 101 00:07:11.079 --> 00:07:15.160 Governor Healy, for Toure credit, has supported a change in 102 00:07:15.199 --> 00:07:19.519 the REGs to allow such histories to be given out. 103 00:07:20.079 --> 00:07:22.720 But now she's the governor of Massachusetts, and again I 104 00:07:22.720 --> 00:07:25.759 don't want to impugne her motives here. And I saw 105 00:07:25.800 --> 00:07:30.600 on the story that John Hilliard reported that she also 106 00:07:30.839 --> 00:07:34.519 supports releasing the records according to a spokesperson, But it 107 00:07:34.600 --> 00:07:37.800 seems to me that as the governor, she could instruct 108 00:07:38.000 --> 00:07:41.000 the Registry of Motor Vehicles. I guess a little problem 109 00:07:41.079 --> 00:07:43.920 is that the Attorney General is the one who's interpreting 110 00:07:43.959 --> 00:07:47.079 the law and has instructed the Registry of Motor Vehicles 111 00:07:47.399 --> 00:07:52.199 not to release any information, as I understand the checkerboard. 112 00:07:52.240 --> 00:07:54.160 If you will, am, I do I have that for 113 00:07:54.360 --> 00:07:55.600 you accurately. 114 00:07:56.160 --> 00:07:59.920 You absolutely do. And in fact, in September last year, 115 00:08:00.079 --> 00:08:04.240 well before this incident meeth Act, the New England First 116 00:08:04.240 --> 00:08:07.680 Amendment Coalition of which on our board member, sent a 117 00:08:07.759 --> 00:08:12.920 letter to the Attorney General Campbell uh complaining about the 118 00:08:12.959 --> 00:08:15.720 Work and Family Mobility Act and the regulations under it 119 00:08:16.480 --> 00:08:21.439 because the way it was being interpreted was outside the 120 00:08:21.480 --> 00:08:25.519 scope and intent of the of the Act itself by 121 00:08:25.639 --> 00:08:29.959 making it impossible to get individual driving records or commercial 122 00:08:30.079 --> 00:08:36.399 driver's license records. And what what was that was the 123 00:08:36.440 --> 00:08:39.799 last September. We followed up twice and still have not 124 00:08:39.919 --> 00:08:42.720 received a response to that letter, not even. 125 00:08:42.480 --> 00:08:45.240 The courtesy of a response, which is troubling. So my 126 00:08:45.639 --> 00:08:48.159 other question is, and again I don't want to I 127 00:08:48.159 --> 00:08:50.360 don't want to put words in your mouth, but I 128 00:08:50.399 --> 00:08:54.279 think you said that Mayor Wou and the Superintendent of 129 00:08:54.360 --> 00:08:59.840 schools in Boston, Mary Skipper, who the the leaders won, 130 00:09:00.000 --> 00:09:02.080 the superintendent of schools the other the mayor of Boston, 131 00:09:02.120 --> 00:09:06.519 who you would think would have the most interest, they 132 00:09:07.159 --> 00:09:10.240 have chosen not to release information. Either are they doing 133 00:09:10.279 --> 00:09:13.840 that as far as you know, with the legal guidance 134 00:09:13.879 --> 00:09:15.960 of the Attorney General, or are they doing it on 135 00:09:16.039 --> 00:09:16.480 their own. 136 00:09:18.080 --> 00:09:21.720 I don't know, Okay, yeah, I don't know what the 137 00:09:21.759 --> 00:09:25.279 motivation is. I don't understand what the motivation is. When 138 00:09:25.320 --> 00:09:29.159 you're home withhold documents, you just increase suspicion that there's 139 00:09:29.679 --> 00:09:33.559 wrongdoing or something more to hide than what we already 140 00:09:33.639 --> 00:09:34.159 know about. 141 00:09:35.639 --> 00:09:39.200 And I know that the lawyer for the for the 142 00:09:39.240 --> 00:09:42.240 family of the little boy who died, who was killed, 143 00:09:43.200 --> 00:09:47.600 he's trying to get more information. You just I don't know. 144 00:09:47.720 --> 00:09:52.600 You know, for for a an enlightened state, you know 145 00:09:52.679 --> 00:09:55.639 that that believes that if this was one of the 146 00:09:56.039 --> 00:09:59.320 states in other parts of the country where maybe uh, 147 00:10:00.440 --> 00:10:04.799 you know, there's not such a value put on transparency. 148 00:10:04.879 --> 00:10:08.919 You might understand it and say, well, that's that's backwater, 149 00:10:09.360 --> 00:10:12.159 you know, filling the name of the state you might choose, 150 00:10:12.600 --> 00:10:16.759 but this is Massachusetts. And as a little boy who 151 00:10:16.799 --> 00:10:21.799 was dead five years old and you cannot who just 152 00:10:21.840 --> 00:10:27.919 got off his school bus, a kindergarten student who was 153 00:10:28.080 --> 00:10:32.240 absolutely innocent to the world. None of the politicians who 154 00:10:32.240 --> 00:10:37.320 were involved have been impacted as this family has. I 155 00:10:37.440 --> 00:10:42.120 just don't know. The little boy's name is Lens Arthur Joseph. 156 00:10:42.200 --> 00:10:46.480 He was a kindergartener at the up UP Academy in Dorchester. 157 00:10:47.960 --> 00:10:51.960 It's heartbreaking. What is the next move that the New 158 00:10:51.960 --> 00:10:56.240 England First Amendment Coalition might consider or are you still 159 00:10:56.919 --> 00:10:59.799 calculating and figuring out what you try to do next. 160 00:11:00.840 --> 00:11:04.960 We're still doing some calculating. We are preparing now a 161 00:11:05.080 --> 00:11:08.399 follow up letter to the Attorney General that will obviously 162 00:11:08.480 --> 00:11:13.799 build on what happened to Lynnz Joseph and talk about 163 00:11:13.879 --> 00:11:22.120 that and we'll fight for new regulations, you know. In 164 00:11:22.159 --> 00:11:25.679 twenty twenty three, John Halliard points out in his excellent 165 00:11:25.720 --> 00:11:30.000 Clothes story, in twenty twenty three, we were allowed to 166 00:11:30.000 --> 00:11:34.559 get the driver's records of Boston City Councilor Kendra Laura, 167 00:11:34.759 --> 00:11:37.320 after she drove her vehicle into a jamake a plane 168 00:11:37.320 --> 00:11:41.039 home and to show that she was behind the wheel 169 00:11:41.080 --> 00:11:45.320 despite her license having been revoked. She didn't have insurance, 170 00:11:45.639 --> 00:11:48.799 she had an expired inspection sticker. Today, we would not 171 00:11:48.879 --> 00:11:51.919 be able to get that information. Today, we would not 172 00:11:52.000 --> 00:11:56.559 be able to get the driver's background information for any of. 173 00:11:56.480 --> 00:11:57.159 The other. 174 00:11:58.679 --> 00:12:02.000 Bus drivers, or transfer according our children to the Boston 175 00:12:02.039 --> 00:12:03.360 public schools. 176 00:12:04.080 --> 00:12:06.440 I might add too, and again I don't want to 177 00:12:06.440 --> 00:12:09.360 politicize this because that's not the purpose of our conversation, 178 00:12:09.919 --> 00:12:15.720 but the then Boston City councilor, who obviously was pretty 179 00:12:15.759 --> 00:12:18.960 embarrassed by what was going on, her son, I believe 180 00:12:19.120 --> 00:12:21.600 was only five or six years old, was in the 181 00:12:21.600 --> 00:12:24.120 backseat of the car and reportedly I don't believe was 182 00:12:24.120 --> 00:12:27.399 wearing a seat belt or was injured somehow in the crash, 183 00:12:27.440 --> 00:12:31.279 whether he was wearing it or not. She eventually was 184 00:12:31.320 --> 00:12:35.600 defeated as she stood for re election, and I suspect 185 00:12:35.639 --> 00:12:40.960 that that ugly automobile crash and all the information that 186 00:12:41.039 --> 00:12:46.279 came forward probably was instrumental in the minds of many 187 00:12:46.320 --> 00:12:49.159 of her constituents as to whether they wanted to return 188 00:12:49.200 --> 00:12:53.480 her to the city council or not. And she was. 189 00:12:55.360 --> 00:12:59.320 She was a very rare incumbents city councilor who lost 190 00:12:59.360 --> 00:13:03.120 the election. And if this law had been in place, 191 00:13:03.919 --> 00:13:06.720 we probably never would have known and her constituents would 192 00:13:06.720 --> 00:13:09.480 have never known about it. And again that is the need, 193 00:13:09.639 --> 00:13:12.960 is the need for transparency. Rob. I appreciate your time. 194 00:13:13.000 --> 00:13:14.919 I know you spend as you have a long day. 195 00:13:15.879 --> 00:13:18.120 I'd love to have you back. Let's stay on top 196 00:13:18.159 --> 00:13:20.000 of this if we can help you in any way, 197 00:13:20.000 --> 00:13:22.360 shape or form. Let us know the New England First 198 00:13:22.399 --> 00:13:26.480 Amendment Coalition great organization. Folks can find it pretty easily. 199 00:13:27.000 --> 00:13:30.440 I assume they could become members or support it whether 200 00:13:30.480 --> 00:13:32.320 they happen, if you bar or not. 201 00:13:32.720 --> 00:13:37.120 Correct, absolutely absolutely, and you'll find a lot of very 202 00:13:37.120 --> 00:13:41.720 interesting resources on our website. Fact dot org any fac 203 00:13:42.279 --> 00:13:42.919 dot org. 204 00:13:43.679 --> 00:13:46.840 Sounds great, rob Berchie, thank you very much for your time. 205 00:13:46.879 --> 00:13:48.679 It's the end of a long day for you, and 206 00:13:48.720 --> 00:13:51.200 I thank you for your time this evening and look 207 00:13:51.240 --> 00:13:53.039 forward to having you back on at some point. Let's 208 00:13:53.080 --> 00:13:54.759 keep on, Let's keep on top of the story. 209 00:13:55.720 --> 00:13:58.799 Thanks Stan for the opportunity and for shedding a light 210 00:13:58.840 --> 00:14:01.840 on decision pleasure my absolute pleasure. 211 00:14:01.840 --> 00:14:04.200 Thanks Bob when we get back and want to open 212 00:14:04.279 --> 00:14:06.840 up the phone lines. I mean, this is a piece 213 00:14:06.879 --> 00:14:12.320 of legislation that was passed in twenty twenty three, which 214 00:14:13.559 --> 00:14:18.679 I don't think if people knew what the legislature was doing, 215 00:14:19.480 --> 00:14:26.759 was in effect removing transparency as well as providing an 216 00:14:26.799 --> 00:14:30.559 opportunity for people who were not here legally to still 217 00:14:31.080 --> 00:14:39.000 apply for learners permits and to seek driving licenses. That 218 00:14:39.000 --> 00:14:41.679 that was not the intent, in my opinion, of this 219 00:14:42.000 --> 00:14:46.639 piece of legislation, but it obviously has been as their consequence, 220 00:14:46.720 --> 00:14:49.919 the effect and the impact of it. We've talked about 221 00:14:49.919 --> 00:14:54.480 it before. Where's Mayor Wu, where is the superintendent of schools? 222 00:14:54.559 --> 00:14:59.200 Where's the attorney general? On this? This is an issue 223 00:14:59.240 --> 00:15:02.480 that I think it's got nothing to do with Democrat 224 00:15:02.600 --> 00:15:05.600 versus Republican. It has everything to do with who's in charge. 225 00:15:05.960 --> 00:15:10.320 If you'd like to join us, And this is a 226 00:15:10.399 --> 00:15:14.639 story that it could have been any It could have 227 00:15:14.679 --> 00:15:17.200 impacted any one of us if we've ever had children 228 00:15:17.240 --> 00:15:20.120 of that age and who have ridden on school buses. 229 00:15:21.360 --> 00:15:25.039 This is just this cannot stand. Six one, seven, two, five, 230 00:15:25.120 --> 00:15:28.039 four ten thirty six one seven nine three one ten 231 00:15:28.159 --> 00:15:32.960 thirty I think the mayor who found who finds herself 232 00:15:33.039 --> 00:15:36.639 in another controversy today, which we might talk about tomorrow. 233 00:15:37.399 --> 00:15:40.919 I want to know, Mayor Wu, why don't you provide 234 00:15:40.960 --> 00:15:46.559 the information on this accident so we can understand what 235 00:15:46.799 --> 00:15:49.960 happened and potentially why it happened, and as a matter 236 00:15:50.000 --> 00:15:52.799 of fact, how in the heck could have this ever 237 00:15:52.919 --> 00:15:56.360 have happened, that this little boy loses his life to 238 00:15:56.440 --> 00:16:00.879 someone who's driving a school bus, who not only should 239 00:16:00.879 --> 00:16:03.480 have been driving a school bus, but whose driving record 240 00:16:03.799 --> 00:16:07.159 should have proven to the world he was not someone 241 00:16:07.240 --> 00:16:09.960 who should have been trusted behind the wheel. Join the 242 00:16:09.960 --> 00:16:12.519 conversation six one, seven, two, five, four ten thirty six 243 00:16:12.600 --> 00:16:14.360 one seven, nine three one ten thirty. I got a 244 00:16:14.399 --> 00:16:16.720 couple of other topics, so this is one. Don't wait 245 00:16:16.759 --> 00:16:19.600 around on bring it and let's talk about it. And 246 00:16:20.159 --> 00:16:22.039 if you want to keep on talking about it, we can, 247 00:16:22.559 --> 00:16:24.639 but I will shut it off at ten o'clock if 248 00:16:24.639 --> 00:16:26.440 the interest is not there, because there were a couple 249 00:16:26.480 --> 00:16:28.840 other topics we're going to talk about back on night side. 250 00:16:28.879 --> 00:16:31.360 My name is Dan Ray, and again I'm not tilted 251 00:16:31.399 --> 00:16:34.320 in windmills. I'm telling you right now this is the 252 00:16:34.399 --> 00:16:37.799 court of public opinion and the mayor and the superintendent 253 00:16:37.840 --> 00:16:39.440 in Boston are dead wrong. 254 00:16:41.080 --> 00:16:45.759 It's Night Side with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio. 255 00:16:45.960 --> 00:16:47.399 Okay, let's go to the phone. It's going to go 256 00:16:47.440 --> 00:16:50.639 to Peter in Braintree first. Peter, you of first this 257 00:16:50.799 --> 00:16:53.720 hour on Nightside. Thanks for getting us. Going love to 258 00:16:53.759 --> 00:16:55.919 know what you think about this story, this little five 259 00:16:55.960 --> 00:16:59.159 year old boy. We know so little now about the 260 00:16:59.519 --> 00:17:03.960 driving record of the driver, what happened, how this child 261 00:17:04.039 --> 00:17:08.519 lost their life. I'm I'm furious over correct. You go 262 00:17:08.599 --> 00:17:09.240 right ahead, Peter. 263 00:17:10.480 --> 00:17:16.519 Okay, I love my five year old daughter to start 264 00:17:16.640 --> 00:17:20.160 until by the school bus in nineteen eighty six. 265 00:17:20.759 --> 00:17:22.799 Oh my god, Peter, I'm so sorry. 266 00:17:23.039 --> 00:17:25.319 Oh and I. 267 00:17:28.200 --> 00:17:33.680 Another day there was a kid from the Cape and 268 00:17:34.680 --> 00:17:43.200 who who did every time I I I tried to 269 00:17:43.279 --> 00:17:49.920 communicate with the family and going to the wake and 270 00:17:50.160 --> 00:17:56.400 just so they understand that I understand what they're going through. 271 00:17:57.440 --> 00:18:03.720 And I'm m I got. And it was also the 272 00:18:03.880 --> 00:18:11.599 day that Christine mccalli the Space shows. Yes sure, yeah, 273 00:18:11.839 --> 00:18:19.680 so so my my my pa. My pain is suffering, Peter. 274 00:18:19.680 --> 00:18:25.400 Very very very if I could without causing you additional pain, here, 275 00:18:26.799 --> 00:18:28.359 uh was your daughter? 276 00:18:29.000 --> 00:18:29.440 Uh? 277 00:18:29.720 --> 00:18:31.839 She had was she waiting for the bus, had she 278 00:18:31.960 --> 00:18:33.240 gotten off the bus? 279 00:18:35.559 --> 00:18:38.039 It was in the one and it was in the 280 00:18:38.079 --> 00:18:42.440 one she was getting on the bus and five years old. 281 00:18:44.519 --> 00:18:50.480 Just the the channel in my life and uh uh 282 00:18:50.799 --> 00:18:51.319 I think. 283 00:18:51.400 --> 00:19:00.200 The uh, Peter, Peter looking, I don't. I don't want 284 00:19:00.240 --> 00:19:01.400 you to have to relive that. 285 00:19:01.640 --> 00:19:05.759 I just I just no, no, no, no. The reason 286 00:19:05.920 --> 00:19:11.559 I called, I just said, you know you're talking, You're. 287 00:19:13.480 --> 00:19:17.440 I would I would. 288 00:19:17.359 --> 00:19:20.400 Be more than happy to go talk to this family. 289 00:19:21.279 --> 00:19:26.599 And you know, I almost like even though it's thirty 290 00:19:26.720 --> 00:19:27.200 years ago. 291 00:19:27.920 --> 00:19:30.200 Yeah, Peter, what I what I might suggest to you 292 00:19:30.440 --> 00:19:34.720 is that I do not have contact with the family. However, 293 00:19:35.279 --> 00:19:40.000 in the Globe story this morning, their attorney, one of 294 00:19:40.000 --> 00:19:44.400 their attorneys is an attorney Matthew Fogelman. Rob. If you 295 00:19:44.400 --> 00:19:48.000 could write that down for me, Matthew Fogelman, I'm sure 296 00:19:48.039 --> 00:19:51.680 Peter would be able to contact him and uh and 297 00:19:51.759 --> 00:19:59.200 he would be able to uh reach out to his. 298 00:19:59.799 --> 00:20:01.319 I would really like to just. 299 00:20:03.440 --> 00:20:06.279 I understand that. And even even if you could just 300 00:20:06.319 --> 00:20:10.720 send a message. But so Rob will help you. Matthew Fogelman. 301 00:20:10.880 --> 00:20:13.000 Rob is the name f O G E. L M 302 00:20:13.039 --> 00:20:16.440 A n H. And make sure that that Peter has 303 00:20:16.440 --> 00:20:18.240 that name. Okay, and if you want to give Peter 304 00:20:18.359 --> 00:20:24.640 my direct line, but Peter, hold hold on, Peter, Yeah, Peter, 305 00:20:24.799 --> 00:20:26.480 just for a second, Robi, if you want to give 306 00:20:26.519 --> 00:20:28.440 him my direct line, I'll be happy to try to 307 00:20:28.480 --> 00:20:30.400 track that lawyer down for him if he has had 308 00:20:30.440 --> 00:20:35.559 any problems with it. Okay, Peter, thank you for your calling. 309 00:20:35.640 --> 00:20:40.680 I'm so sorry at what you went through. Just horrible, horrible, 310 00:20:42.480 --> 00:20:49.079 thank you. All right, thanks, thank you, Peter. Okay, when 311 00:20:49.119 --> 00:20:54.440 we get back, we'll continue our conversation. The number six one, seven, two, five, four, 312 00:20:54.559 --> 00:20:56.720 ten thirty. Got a couple of lines at six one 313 00:20:56.799 --> 00:21:00.519 seven nine three one. Why is it in Massachu? It's 314 00:21:00.720 --> 00:21:02.480 you know, a state that is supposed to be as 315 00:21:02.599 --> 00:21:06.640 enlightened as we are, as we claim to be. Let 316 00:21:06.640 --> 00:21:09.359 me put it like that, that we are not able 317 00:21:09.799 --> 00:21:16.519 to look this this, this driver's name is out there, okay. 318 00:21:17.119 --> 00:21:17.240 Uh. 319 00:21:17.759 --> 00:21:20.160 I assume at some point there must be a grand 320 00:21:20.240 --> 00:21:24.559 jury sitting on this. We're not going to let it die, Okay. 321 00:21:24.839 --> 00:21:27.839 I guarantee you that I'll do a story every week 322 00:21:27.880 --> 00:21:31.079 on it if I have to. But where's the where's 323 00:21:31.119 --> 00:21:35.279 the district attorney? D? A. Hayden? Where is where's the mayor, 324 00:21:35.319 --> 00:21:39.839 where's the school superintendent, where's the attorney general. It sounds 325 00:21:39.880 --> 00:21:43.599 like to me just everybody's going to shut up about it, 326 00:21:43.640 --> 00:21:46.319 and the and and it's going to go away. No, 327 00:21:46.440 --> 00:21:48.400 it's not going to go away as long as this 328 00:21:48.559 --> 00:21:51.519 reporter is like John Hilliard at the Globe, and I 329 00:21:51.519 --> 00:21:53.920 hope someone from the Herald picks up the baton as well. 330 00:21:54.160 --> 00:21:57.119 The only line is six one, seven, ten thirty. Coming 331 00:21:57.200 --> 00:21:58.799 right back on night Side. 332 00:21:59.440 --> 00:22:04.160 It's nice with Dan Ray on Boston's news radio. 333 00:22:04.960 --> 00:22:07.400 Well, here we are in New England, where we think 334 00:22:07.440 --> 00:22:12.279 of ourselves as being fairly advanced dealing with an issue 335 00:22:12.279 --> 00:22:15.079 like this, and now we find out that the books 336 00:22:15.119 --> 00:22:17.480 and the information is closed and you have to have 337 00:22:17.519 --> 00:22:21.400 a great First Amendment Coalition, the New England First Amendment Coalition. 338 00:22:21.640 --> 00:22:25.440 Rob Burchie was with us in the earlier in this hour, 339 00:22:26.079 --> 00:22:29.599 the frustrations that they have just trying to get simple 340 00:22:29.640 --> 00:22:35.640 information from our political leaders and our administrative leader. Steven 341 00:22:35.720 --> 00:22:37.720 is in Cambridge. Steve, welcome, How are you, sir? 342 00:22:38.359 --> 00:22:38.559 Dan? 343 00:22:38.599 --> 00:22:39.400 I'm well on youse. 344 00:22:40.279 --> 00:22:42.440 I'm doing fine. But this is one that I'm going 345 00:22:42.480 --> 00:22:44.039 to stick with. Steve. I gotta tell you. 346 00:22:44.000 --> 00:22:45.880 I'm glad to hear that. I think you're the first 347 00:22:45.920 --> 00:22:49.160 person I saw that story in the Globe today and 348 00:22:49.200 --> 00:22:51.160 thought it was a very good story. But when I 349 00:22:51.200 --> 00:22:54.160 saw it, I immediately thought of you, because you brought 350 00:22:54.240 --> 00:22:57.359 up these issues. You brought up this matter before I 351 00:22:57.400 --> 00:22:59.359 saw anything in either Globe bar the Herald. 352 00:22:59.720 --> 00:23:02.920 Yeah, well, we were on and I can probably find 353 00:23:02.960 --> 00:23:07.119 the exact date, but sometime sometime in mid March. As 354 00:23:07.119 --> 00:23:08.920 a matter of fact, I can almost pull the date 355 00:23:09.759 --> 00:23:12.519 off here, just so that people know that you're you're 356 00:23:12.559 --> 00:23:16.880 telling telling the truth here. Yeah, it was May fourteenth, 357 00:23:17.039 --> 00:23:19.720 no news on the bus death of five year old 358 00:23:20.000 --> 00:23:24.240 Lens Joseph, And we're going to stick with it. It was. 359 00:23:24.640 --> 00:23:26.480 I thought that John Hilliard and the Globe did a 360 00:23:26.480 --> 00:23:30.200 great job today, and I know that the New England 361 00:23:30.200 --> 00:23:35.200 First Amendment Coalition is a great organization and on this 362 00:23:35.279 --> 00:23:38.680 issue they are one thousand percent right. What do you 363 00:23:38.720 --> 00:23:40.839 think's going on? Why do you think this has been 364 00:23:40.880 --> 00:23:42.119 covered up? Basically? 365 00:23:42.599 --> 00:23:46.319 I mean, well, I have two points. The first point 366 00:23:46.359 --> 00:23:54.680 is I think that this law was probably designed to 367 00:23:54.720 --> 00:23:59.640 protect illegal immigrants who have very bad driving records, or 368 00:24:00.160 --> 00:24:08.440 his records are completely unknown, and the affirmative action that 369 00:24:08.680 --> 00:24:14.039 was probably put in place by mass legislators and mass 370 00:24:14.079 --> 00:24:16.720 political leaders. And this is a way to cover up 371 00:24:16.759 --> 00:24:17.960 any kind of scrutiny. 372 00:24:18.599 --> 00:24:22.079 By by the way, let me if I can given 373 00:24:22.160 --> 00:24:25.400 this is an air quotes. Credit to the sponsors of 374 00:24:25.480 --> 00:24:29.200 this piece of legislation, who did not return any calls 375 00:24:29.240 --> 00:24:34.599 today from the Boston Globe, State Senator Brendan Crichton and 376 00:24:34.720 --> 00:24:41.160 state Representatives Christine Barber and Tricia Farley Bouvier. I know 377 00:24:41.319 --> 00:24:47.319 that Tricia Farley Bouvier is a very progressive legislator. Legislator, 378 00:24:47.480 --> 00:24:51.640 trust me on that they surprisingly did not respond to 379 00:24:51.759 --> 00:24:54.920 any any request for comments from the Boston Globe, nor 380 00:24:55.000 --> 00:24:58.759 did the Attorney General, nor did the Mayor's office here 381 00:24:59.200 --> 00:25:02.880 in Boston. It's disgraceful. This little boy's been dead now 382 00:25:03.200 --> 00:25:06.079 for six weeks, six weeks today. 383 00:25:06.880 --> 00:25:11.079 Well, and I wonder the gentleman from the First Amendment. 384 00:25:11.640 --> 00:25:14.720 Yes, Bertie Rob Burchie. 385 00:25:15.519 --> 00:25:19.240 I can't see why he said this law had good intentions. 386 00:25:19.359 --> 00:25:23.079 I mean, this law is a form of censorship. Well, 387 00:25:23.240 --> 00:25:27.119 the public can't get information, hiding information, How can that 388 00:25:27.240 --> 00:25:32.000 ever be in our nation considered good? 389 00:25:32.480 --> 00:25:34.759 I think what he was saying and I don't want 390 00:25:34.799 --> 00:25:36.319 to put words in his mouth, but I think what 391 00:25:36.440 --> 00:25:40.000 he was saying was that it was entitled if remember 392 00:25:40.039 --> 00:25:42.039 the Family Mobility Act, and there were a lot of 393 00:25:42.039 --> 00:25:44.880 people said, well, this will be great because people who 394 00:25:44.960 --> 00:25:48.480 were here, even if they're here illegally, they at least 395 00:25:48.559 --> 00:25:52.680 will be able to get driver's licenses. Remember we had 396 00:25:52.799 --> 00:25:54.680 argued a couple of years ago that if they were 397 00:25:54.680 --> 00:25:58.839 going to pass it, have driver's licenses, which if it 398 00:25:58.880 --> 00:26:01.559 was inevitable they're going to pass, said, you know, most 399 00:26:01.559 --> 00:26:04.279 of our driver's licenses are what I would call horizontal. 400 00:26:04.359 --> 00:26:07.160 If you look at them there longer than than taller. 401 00:26:07.720 --> 00:26:11.119