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Speaker 1: And now Audio Theater Central. Hello, welcome to Audio Theater Central.

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This is the show that explores family friendly audio drama

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through news, reviews and interviews. I'm your host, J D. Sutter.

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This is episode two twenty six. Thank you so much

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for joining us today. We have got a review of

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Adventures and Odyssey album seventy seven, a new perspective that's

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coming up. Austin Peachee will be joining me for that,

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and we've got some feedback from William Chad Newsom and

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a Spotify user. We'll be getting to that later on

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in the episode. And I've got a bunch of audio

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drama updates that we'll be jumping into in just a

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couple of minutes. But first, I was having a conversation

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with somebody who listens to the show and has for

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quite some time, and the topic of Amazon affiliate links

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came up, and they did not realize that all of

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the links that we have on our website to Amazon

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or Christian Book Distributors or Libro, all of those are

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affiliate links, which means that when you use those links,

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you are helping to support Audio Theater Central. So I

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and I wanted to make sure it was clear to you.

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So just in case you didn't realize that those links

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help support us. We get a small percentage of your purchase,

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though the price for you does not change at all,

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so you pay whatever you would if you just went

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straight to Amazon, but by going through our links in

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our show notes, that helps support Audio Theater Central. Now also,

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anything you purchase on Amazon, it does not have to

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be audio drama. So while we do link to specific products,

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of course, there is all also just a generic link

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directly to Amazon, which is in the sidebar on our website.

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that'll take you right to Amazon and you can search

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for whatever product you are going to purchase. But that

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because that helps us out. And even though it's only

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a small percentage of each item, those can add up

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All right, enough of that, let's jump into the updates.

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Speaker 2: We interrupt this program to bring you a special.

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Speaker 1: As always, if you have any updates about any family

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to PFM dot link slash atc News. First up, a

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couple of events. This one is coming up really quickly

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here later this month on three twenty eight in Indiana.

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This is a live audio drama on stage of the

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story of Ben her This is a really really cool idea.

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Unfortunately I'm not going to be able to make it,

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but if you are in the area, this was written

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and directed by Tim Gregory of Unshackled, so I'm sure

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it's going to be a great show. Link is in

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the show notes to get your tickets again. That is

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on three twenty eight in Munster, Indiana next up. I

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know we've talked about Sonicon a few times, but I

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it yet. Sonicon is coming up June thirtieth through July second,

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ending at the end of this month, or actually on

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get your passes for Sonicon twenty twenty six. And I

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just mentioned Tim Gregory of Unshackled a moment ago, and

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Unshackled is the longest continuously running audio drama in the world,

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telling real stories of people's lives who have been changed

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by the gospel. And that show is aimed at adults,

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but a few years ago they launched a show for

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children and it's called The Clue Crew. Well, the Clue

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learn more. That is cluecrew dot org. Now, if you

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are a fan of superhero stories, Austin Peacheye has been

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curating the Ultimate List of family friendly superhero audio dramas,

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a bunch of great shows in that list. So if

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that's the kind of story you really enjoy, there is

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stuff in there for all ages. So check out that

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and your family, I'm sure. Next up, this item is

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for the Adventures not a cy fan. There is a

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of fun. The first episode recently dropped and it features

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Austin Peachee in the hot seat, and it's just a

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lot of fun, great references to AIO throughout, and it's

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trivia questions. And the production value of this trivia show

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is just really well done too, So it's a lot

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of fun. It's called if you don't not know links

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in the show notes to check that out. I highly

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encourage you giving it a listen. And also from somewhat

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significant audio productions. I mentioned their show a bit of

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time Travel, but they also have a show called The

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Church at Tressel Falls, which the first episode of that

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three or January of twenty four. Well, here we are

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with episode two. It's called Pughes Versus Chairs, Part one,

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a couple of days away. And I have really enjoyed

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the show so far. I'm excited to hear where Ben

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the cast Frank yu, Lee, Tricia Rose, Nathan Marlette, Craighart,

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Tressel Falls and that is coming on March seventh. Link

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coming out in April is the next installment from the

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Surround Bible. It's called The True Story of Easter. They

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will be coming soon. You can find out more information

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at Surroundbible dot com and there is an extended sample

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or excerpt of that program available on the website there,

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so give that a lesson. The True Story of Easter

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coming in April twenty twenty six. And lastly is a

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The tally Light Broadcast and they have launched a Kickstarter

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a sitcom about the day to day operation of a

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radio station in a small town, and they do have

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a pilot episode out there that is a rough version

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and the story is quite funny, some interesting characters. The

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episode one and also episode two. And there are some

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familiar names involved in the project on the cast side,

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kickstarter that's going to be running for about a month longer.

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into the review with Austin Peache.

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Speaker 2: It's a murder mystery sort of cross between William Shakespeare

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it wasn't a good play. This will be one of

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the best shows we have ever done. Such an amusing show.

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Speaker 2: What was that line you coined? I never knew acting

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could be so much fun.

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Speaker 1: Well, I'm sure that if you've been a long time

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listener and you saw the title of this episode, you

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pretty much freaked out. They're finally talking about Adventures Odyssey again,

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reviewing another album. Yes, yes we are, and Austin Peache

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is here with me to talk about album seventy seven,

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a new perspective.

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Speaker 2: Hello, it's great to be back.

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Speaker 1: And you know, as I said, we're a bit behind.

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This one was released back in October twenty four and

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begin airing on the radio from October through November of

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twenty four. But they say better late than never, right, So,

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but we do love talking about Adventures Odyssey. It's a

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fantastic show. It's in many many ways the foundation of

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the family friendly audio drama industry. It has been the

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one of the highest quality shows for a very long time.

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bonus content on the CD release I guess on the

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digital release as well. But so we're gonna we're gonna

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go through all six of these episodes here. I don't

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remember if I usually do this or not, but I'm

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going to do it this time. We have the heavens

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declare the Smouse Show painted into a corner, making nice

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unmanageable and facing the music. So, Austin, will you do

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us the honors and give us the official summary of

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this album?

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Speaker 2: Alright, whether it's thinking about science, friendships, teammates, or family members,

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your friends in Odyssey are looking at the world from

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a new perspective. Jules thinks the Banshee joined Mannic Gravioli

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could unlock purpose in her life, but Connie disagrees, especially

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after noticing the bad influence it's having on her elsewhere,

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not in Odyssey. Sorry, sorry, I see the word elsewhere there,

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and that's what I think of elsewhere. A tough football

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game forces Cooper to reconsider how he leads the team,

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and Penny faces woot AND's thorny family relationships head on

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when his parents unexpectedly appear at her art show. Over

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at witsand Jay catches a glimpse of a world where

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he's the seven center of attention and which challenges renees

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belief that science and faith are incompatible. Take another exciting

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trip to the town of Odyssey or your experienced new adventures,

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a new frame of mind and a new perspective.

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Speaker 1: Indeed, and if this is your first time checking out

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one of our aio reviews, here is your warning that

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we do get into spoilers. This is not standard practice

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for our other reviews, but for Odyssey we make the

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exception to go into spoilery detail on these episodes. So

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let's jump into it. So we have our typical crew

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here of producer of Nathan Hubler and executive producer Dave Arnold.

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But we'll go through the crew on each episode as

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we get to them, and the cast as well. So

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let's start off with episode nine eighty eight, The Heavens Declare.

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This was written and directed by Phil Lahler, with sound

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designed by Zack Schneider and music by Jared Depesqual. So

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the first note that I had on this episode is

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the gallery is back kind of so I think it

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would be it's kind of interesting, like do a rundown

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of some of the newer inventions in what's in so

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since since Inspiration Station, Like, what what else have we

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had since? Then?

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Speaker 2: There's the whatever that was from the launch in the

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first Club season that they had that little computer thing

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that how Eugene's voice.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that portable device.

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Speaker 2: I can't remember what it was called. I don't remember

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either portable imagination station since album fifty and that showed

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up like in Third Club season, I think, and then

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an album sixty eight. Yeah, I'm not sure of any

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other inventions besides that, And.

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Speaker 1: Then of course the portraits in the gallery here. So

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it's it's interesting. One part of me is like, it's

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cool to see some doing some new things. On the

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other hand, it's like, he's got so much other stuff,

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why don't we just use what we already have? Does

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it really open up new storytelling methods or not? So

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I don't know. I'm still not sure about this one

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because I think, yeah, from my point of view, I

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think everything that happened to this episode could have happened

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in the Imagination Station.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. This episode, like, I'm okay with them experimenting. They've

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done that in the past, and you know, if it

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doesn't work, then they may not do it again. But

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this episode and kind of the way this was kind

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of meshed together was so much like the Truth Chronicles,

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because in that one there was at one point where

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we hooked up this room to the Imagination Station. So

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we walk into a room and I think it's in

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the Truth Be Told. It's like the second Truth Chronicle episode.

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where it's kind of interactive where he's like telling it

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to you, but you could stop it and you can

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like picture it in your mind or whatever. And then

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we had pushed the red button in an album fifty

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six where like connect all this stuff together. And you

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know sometimes like they mix the different kind of machines

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kind of lose their specialness or you mix them together,

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like wait, really, do we really need both of them together?

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I think this one of those would be good. But

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it's still a cool concept, I think.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And maybe the reason was because of the way

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the doors work in the Imagination Station in the current

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version of the Imagination Station, So maybe that's why they.

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Speaker 2: Went that way with so many voice commands.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, it would function a little bit

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differently if it requires doors to go to walk through

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to change scenes or something. I don't know, but regardless,

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it is interesting to kind of take a step back

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and look at the way the different inventions show up

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in the episodes. Now, I have to say this is

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probably one of the most didactic episodes in a very

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long time. It's not necessarily a bad thing. It's an

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important topic and I think it was handled well. The

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arguments that were presented. You see both sides articulated well,

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so that part of it was good, but not necessarily

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the most exciting episode ever.

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which no shade on it for that because I love

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the Truth Chronicles and I thought it was very cool

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that we had an episode like this, like we don't

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have it very often, like if this is always you know,

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part for the course. Again, like it's a kind of

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a bit of experimentation with this too, Like it's interesting,

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like if you already know the character of Renee and

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are interested in history and science and things like that,

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I think this is an episode that, even though not

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a lot happens plot wise, but there's a lot of

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like that in between stuff Like it's very much a

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snapshot of kind of what it's been doing with Renee

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and trying to convince her that God is real and

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science isn't like science is you know, compatible with faith. Yeah,

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things like that. So and also with me, you know,

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I love Jonathan Park, I love the original series and

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the new series two, and you know Nick Guy Private Eye.

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I love apologetics and this kind of stuff, So really

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enjoyed that aspect of it. But I understand that most

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lot of people probably wouldn't have enjoyed this or come

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back to it a whole lot, but interesting stuff to

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you know, ponder.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, for sure. Now I hate that we're starting

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off this way with me kind of feeling a little

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underwhelmed by this one in a few different regards. But

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I think this might be the only time I've ever

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felt this about a piece of Jared deep Esquall music.

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But the underscoring in that opening scene with Wit and Renee,

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right when they're starting to get into the things, not

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necessarily like the very opening queue at the beginning of

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the scene, but after they had had their discussion started

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and they start moving into the actual adventure kind of thing.

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I'm not sure how I feel about it, because it

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felt almost a tad distracting to me in that moment.

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It was it was very busy going on, like there's

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a lot happening in the music, and it kind of

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did draw attention to itself a little bit there for

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a few moments, So I'm not sure. I'm kind of

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on the fence about it. It sounded really cool, but

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sort of like we're gearing up here for something, but

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almost a little bit over the line for me personally.

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean that could be the case, but it

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could also be an intentional thing. With this episode being

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you know, less exciting and that kind of stuff, the

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music is kind of meant to be that way to

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kind of compensate for it being a less you know, exciting,

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you know, plot driven story.

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Speaker 1: Maybe mm hmm, okay, that could that could be, Yeah,

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an intentional decision, because yeah, it's very low on the

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on the action sequences, so there's there may be was

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a reason to do that, but yeah, it was just

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something that stood out to me, so I thought I

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would mention it. But the cast as always did a

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great job. And I have to say Townsend Coleman's voices

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for these characters, he did a couple of them in here,

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just great stuff. He's so good.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it was great hearing him do different voices because

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usually he plays Jason, so the times that he gets

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to do other voices is really fun.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I immediately picked up on fred Tatashore's voice.

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I love his deep, resonant kind of voice, and it's

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been a while since I've I've noticed him, and so yeah,

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always cool to hear him, you know.

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Speaker 2: One thing that we haven't heard in a long time

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was a mention of Camilla. Kamila Parker is mentioned at

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this like, oh, that's cool, we haven't heard her. We

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haven't heard from her in a long time. But that

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kind of leads into something that I had a little

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bit of a gripe with this episode, is that I

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felt like Wit was a little bit too harsh and

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Renee and her not helping Camilla with her projects because

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her personally, if she doesn't believe in God and she's

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not a Christian, then you know, if she doesn't feel

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comfortable doing that, that should be perfectly fine because if

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she because she knows Camilla is a Christian, you know,

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Wit is, but if she doesn't feel like she can

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do that honestly, like I know, at the beginning, kind

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of it's more like, Okay, why are you feeling this way?

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And then kind of addressing that. But I felt like

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Wake came up a little bit too harsh and making

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her feel bad that she didn't want to help, Like

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that's the underlying issue is you know, Renee's doubts and

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things like that. I don't think she should be criticized

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for not being a part of that if she feels

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like she can't do it fairly and accurately and make

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sure that she's not, you know, leading Camille away from

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her faith like she like what mentions about like talking

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to her parents and that kind of stuff, Like why

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does Renee have to talk to her parents? Like she

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didn't offend Camilla, like she just turned her down, like

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you know, if she was being rude about it, that'd

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be one thing. But there's no need for Renee to

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talk to Camel's parents about, you know, her not helping

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out or whatever.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I hadn't thought about that. I didn't take it

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that way. I mean, I took it as was kind

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of like, you know, hey, this is the kind of

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place we have here at WIT's End. These are the

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kind of questions you're gonna get faced with as an

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employee here, so you need to be ready to help them.

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But I guess I can kind of see, you know,

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from her perspective is you know, I don't believe that,

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So I didn't feel like I should have to help her,

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but I could kind of see where you're coming from.

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But yeah, I didn't take it that way at all,

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but I could see how somebody.

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Speaker 2: Would going back to you know, the things that are

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learned in this episode, like debunking several myths like about

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Galileo and things like that, and the object lesson like

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with you know, things being on the same field are

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not in the same field, and things like that very c. S.

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Lewison or Lewison or I guess that's the right word

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term for it of like you know, bringing complex terms

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down to Layman's terms. With that, I thought it was

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really really cool, and things like Galileo, Like I didn't

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know those things, like I I know because I took it,

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like you know, Christian curriculum when I was in like

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from kindergarten through high school. And I barely remember Anthony

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about Galileo, but except that he was a Christian. But

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I think I remember, like my last history class in college,

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talked some about my history or science classes and you

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know some of those things that you know, Renee was taught,

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I was probably taught. And sometimes you know a lot

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of history like gloss over, especially you know Christian beliefs.

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They might say, oh this person mey either like leave

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out their you know, religion or whatever completely or just

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kind of gloss over it. Yeah, but you know, when

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you're a Christian, no matter if you're scientists or anything else,

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you can't separate that from a you're I love how

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this episode just kind of shows how much you know,

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like has that kind of montage or whatever, like all

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these names of Christian scientists and like how modern science

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start because of Christianity, and even further going from that

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is like you know, just like the versus, like you know,

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disaster relief and you know, orphanages and things like that,

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those things are started by Christians. It's not just science

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that you know, Christians led the way in that because

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you know, like I think Wit point out in this episode,

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how you know that curiosity and wanting to find out,

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you know, what God has made and things like that.

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This wasn't in this episode, but I love hearing about

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George Washington Carver about how much he you know, talked

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to God and like, you know, how did you make this?

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Or you know, like why did you make the peanut

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and that kind of stuff and then all these kind

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of things, and it's just a good reminder that you know,

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so many things that we know today. You know, different

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laws and things like that in science or even the

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technology that we have a lot of it is because

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of Christian scientists and again because you know, they followed

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God and God inspired them to do great things.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, they definitely covered a lot of ground. And

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there was the bonus scene that was deleted, which also

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was focusing on another well known piece of art, and

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that was the Mona Lisa, So we got an extra

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scene there in the bonus material, so that was kind

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of fun. But yeah, overall, I understand the point of

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the episode and I agree with it, and I think

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it was presented well. Just not my favorite episode on

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the album.

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Speaker 2: So does that mean you also didn't enjoy the Truth

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Chronicles as well? Since those episodes were most of them

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are pretty much like this kind of episode.

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Speaker 1: You know what? It has been probably fifteen or twenty

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years since I've listened to those episodes, so I don't

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really remember much about them, oh okay, or however long

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when I don't even remember when they first came out,

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But I know it's been a very very long time.

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So yeah, I probably couldn't even answer that question. I

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would have to go back and listen to them again

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to see. But I remember enjoying them at the time,

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but I can't think of anything specific about any of

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them off the top of my head.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well for me, like I you know, this episode

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is very different, but not as different as say something

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like Walter's Flying Bus. I know a lot of people

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did not like that one because it was so different

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than what they expected, and it was again experimental with

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the Inspiration Station, like new things that you wouldn't get into,

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like the Imagination Station and things like that. And you know,

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because it's like experimentation, you know, we sometimes get you know,

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really great episodes and it may not be everyone's favorite,

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or i'd be a little bit more forgettable than others,

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but it maybe even better things like you know, the

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environment Enhancer as an experimental thing back in the day

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and that led to the Imagination Station later. With this episode,

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I really like it where where we're getting so much information,

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like where it's not just you know, surface level morals

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or things like that or just throw away conversations where

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it's all built around this. And again, like, I don't

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think every single episode should be like this, And you know,

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I do like the new Jonathan Park series and what

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they're doing now, but I love the old series which

478
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:49,960
was kind of more like this, where there's so much

479
00:25:50,039 --> 00:25:52,519
teaching packed in along with the story where and this

480
00:25:52,599 --> 00:25:55,000
one didn't have as much of a story where it's

481
00:25:55,039 --> 00:25:57,000
not really an action and adventure like jhnthan Park had.

482
00:25:57,680 --> 00:26:01,640
But you know, I enjoyed it overall for what it presented.

483
00:26:02,200 --> 00:26:04,119
And you know, it's not what I'd go back to

484
00:26:04,359 --> 00:26:06,920
over and over again. But you know, I listened to

485
00:26:07,000 --> 00:26:09,119
for the second time getting ready for this review, and

486
00:26:09,480 --> 00:26:11,200
there's some things I forgot about. It's like, oh, yeah,

487
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:15,160
that was really profound. So revisiting again, I think is

488
00:26:15,279 --> 00:26:18,400
very helpful. Again if you want to dig deeper into

489
00:26:18,440 --> 00:26:21,480
these kind of ideas and facts and things like that.

490
00:26:21,559 --> 00:26:24,279
But hey, if you don't like this episode, go and

491
00:26:24,279 --> 00:26:27,160
study some of these things, like go study about Galileo

492
00:26:27,319 --> 00:26:30,960
or our divention things like that, or like I mentioned C. S. Lewis,

493
00:26:31,000 --> 00:26:32,480
like he has a lot of this kind of stuff

494
00:26:33,400 --> 00:26:36,480
that you know, puts very complex stuff into you know,

495
00:26:36,559 --> 00:26:39,480
simple terms to understand. And yeah, hopefully this you know,

496
00:26:39,640 --> 00:26:42,000
makes people go and you know, learn more from themselves.

497
00:26:42,279 --> 00:26:44,839
Speaker 1: Yeah, and of course you got to think about the

498
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:49,359
fact that we are not the target audience necessarily for

499
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:52,039
the show, even though I know, I know Phil would

500
00:26:52,039 --> 00:26:53,920
say this is a show for the family. It's not

501
00:26:53,960 --> 00:26:57,960
necessarily just for children, but you know, we know what

502
00:26:58,000 --> 00:27:01,240
the target audience is, and so for them to hear

503
00:27:01,440 --> 00:27:04,839
this kind of information is really good. So all right, well,

504
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:08,680
let's move on to episode nine nine The Smouse Show,

505
00:27:08,839 --> 00:27:14,200
written by Abigail Geiger and directed by Marshall Younger, with

506
00:27:14,200 --> 00:27:18,480
post production by Luke Gano and music by Connor Sovoka.

507
00:27:19,599 --> 00:27:26,160
Is this the first or second episode that Connor's done.

508
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,000
Speaker 2: I'm not sure. I know he did. He did the

509
00:27:28,039 --> 00:27:32,559
club episode where Buddy Jay or like they're entering their

510
00:27:32,559 --> 00:27:35,559
autodromatic competition Toma Vincent. I can't remember what that one

511
00:27:35,640 --> 00:27:38,079
was called. I know you did that one, but it

512
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:39,400
might have come out the same year as this one,

513
00:27:39,400 --> 00:27:41,400
so I'm not sure which one released first. But I

514
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:44,160
know this is like the first, you know, mainstream album

515
00:27:44,200 --> 00:27:45,839
episode that Connor's done music on.

516
00:27:46,119 --> 00:27:50,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, and uh, in case you don't know, listener, I've

517
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:54,240
worked with Connor for years, and he composed music for

518
00:27:54,559 --> 00:27:57,599
Versus in Vox, the show or the poetry program that

519
00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,920
we used to produce years ago. He also did the

520
00:28:00,480 --> 00:28:04,240
music for Greenhorn Tales, a comedy audio drama that we

521
00:28:04,400 --> 00:28:07,960
produced a few years ago. So it's really cool to

522
00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:11,559
see him working on this show, the big show in

523
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:12,519
the industry. Now.

524
00:28:13,519 --> 00:28:15,319
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was so happy when I heard his name

525
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,240
in the credits. I don't think I heard that he

526
00:28:17,319 --> 00:28:19,279
was he had done music for a show, and I

527
00:28:19,319 --> 00:28:22,559
heard it like because his like back even in his

528
00:28:22,559 --> 00:28:25,640
first Auto drama time Chroniclers, like his style is very

529
00:28:25,640 --> 00:28:27,599
similar to John Campbell, so like I think most people

530
00:28:27,640 --> 00:28:29,599
Prayer would have a hard time picking up that it

531
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,680
wasn't John Campbell with this, and I heard that, like, oh, yeah,

532
00:28:32,720 --> 00:28:34,680
that's awesome. I'm so happy for them.

533
00:28:34,839 --> 00:28:37,759
Speaker 1: Yeah, and the sound of it has a lot of

534
00:28:37,799 --> 00:28:42,519
like classic Aio sort of chords or notes or progression

535
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:47,759
that it felt very it sounded very Odyssey m M. Yeah. Well,

536
00:28:47,799 --> 00:28:51,400
and we were talking about the inventions in the last

537
00:28:51,599 --> 00:28:54,160
episode and now we're back with another one, and this

538
00:28:54,200 --> 00:28:56,359
time we have the room of Consequence. Yeah.

539
00:28:56,440 --> 00:28:59,000
Speaker 2: I was excited about that because I don't think we've

540
00:28:59,519 --> 00:29:03,319
heard that that in you know, the mainstream albums since

541
00:29:04,440 --> 00:29:07,759
I want to say album fifty six at the Grand Design,

542
00:29:08,160 --> 00:29:09,599
but I know we had we've had a few club

543
00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,119
episodes with that. I think when you were re winning

544
00:29:12,160 --> 00:29:15,200
the Big Picture back in like twenty nineteen maybe something

545
00:29:15,240 --> 00:29:17,200
like that, but yeah, it was great to hear from

546
00:29:17,240 --> 00:29:17,599
it again.

547
00:29:18,640 --> 00:29:21,720
Speaker 1: So overall, we had a few really solid j lines.

548
00:29:21,799 --> 00:29:24,359
And if you've been around here for any length of time,

549
00:29:24,440 --> 00:29:26,680
you've you've heard me say it. I love the character

550
00:29:26,720 --> 00:29:29,759
of Jay s Moouse. He's he's been a lot of

551
00:29:29,799 --> 00:29:33,880
fun over the years. He had like in particular, the

552
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:38,680
one that just made me laugh out loud was when

553
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,400
when somebody, I forget which scene it was, I think

554
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,599
it was when he was getting on the roller coaster

555
00:29:43,759 --> 00:29:47,279
or something like that, and they said smile and he says,

556
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,440
you can thank my orthodonist for that. Ladies. You know,

557
00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:55,160
he's got a beautiful smile apparently. But there were there

558
00:29:55,160 --> 00:29:57,480
were a few lines like that that were really fun.

559
00:29:58,119 --> 00:30:00,839
Speaker 2: My favorite one was actually, think of the first I

560
00:30:00,839 --> 00:30:04,160
think I keep perst into the room where the newspaper

561
00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:07,279
team is meeting whatever and didn't you see the sign what? Ever? Said, Yeah,

562
00:30:07,279 --> 00:30:08,519
but it had a fun I didn't respect.

563
00:30:08,839 --> 00:30:16,440
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that kid, he just cracks me up. But uh, overall,

564
00:30:16,559 --> 00:30:19,079
I mean, this is probably one of my least favorite

565
00:30:19,119 --> 00:30:22,880
Jay episodes. It's I just thought it was an okay episode,

566
00:30:23,240 --> 00:30:25,720
But the big takeaway for me was I'm really glad

567
00:30:25,759 --> 00:30:30,200
they addressed and stopped that whole constant flirting thing, because

568
00:30:30,240 --> 00:30:33,039
I think I have talked about that in past reviews

569
00:30:33,559 --> 00:30:35,920
how it kind of was feeling like it was getting

570
00:30:37,400 --> 00:30:39,480
they were beating a dead horse, but also it was

571
00:30:39,559 --> 00:30:43,240
kind of getting a little little to the uncomfortable stage

572
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,839
in some time. In some places they were just like, Okay, okay,

573
00:30:47,359 --> 00:30:49,640
we've we've done this enough. Let's let's stop with that.

574
00:30:50,160 --> 00:30:53,000
So I'm glad they did that, and it did have

575
00:30:53,039 --> 00:30:55,319
a really nice twist at the end. I mean, I

576
00:30:55,319 --> 00:30:57,359
don't think this is nearly as good of an episode,

577
00:30:57,400 --> 00:31:00,839
but it kind of is reminiscent of the of Gloebers.

578
00:31:01,400 --> 00:31:04,920
But yeah, it was a decent episode.

579
00:31:05,359 --> 00:31:08,359
Speaker 2: Well, I actually enjoyed this one quite a bit. I

580
00:31:08,720 --> 00:31:12,640
didn't realize that it was going this route. But I'm

581
00:31:12,640 --> 00:31:15,039
so glad again, like you mentioned that Jane and Zoe

582
00:31:15,079 --> 00:31:19,200
thing resolved, because I've been one of the biggest voices

583
00:31:19,319 --> 00:31:21,319
I guess to push against that. I know a lot

584
00:31:21,319 --> 00:31:23,640
of people, like people think that, oh, they're so cute together,

585
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:25,000
and I shipped them and all that, and it's like,

586
00:31:26,079 --> 00:31:30,240
how this is like because I feel like again, especially

587
00:31:30,400 --> 00:31:33,720
in today's world and things like that, like if this

588
00:31:33,839 --> 00:31:36,559
was happening in real life, because I think the hard

589
00:31:36,559 --> 00:31:39,799
thing was Jay is kind of like he's a kid,

590
00:31:39,839 --> 00:31:41,880
but he's actually a teenager. He's in high school or

591
00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:43,920
middle school or whatever. Like if he's a lot younger,

592
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:49,680
then maybe it's less ikey. But the older he is,

593
00:31:49,720 --> 00:31:54,240
the more icky it becomes. And since they're using it

594
00:31:54,319 --> 00:31:57,960
more in the high school situations and episodes and things

595
00:31:57,960 --> 00:32:00,559
like that with like the older character like you know,

596
00:32:00,599 --> 00:32:04,599
like Ryan or Buck and people like that, you know,

597
00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:08,119
it gets even more like, guys, why did you ever

598
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,400
think this was a good thing? Like it was kind

599
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,279
of fun, you know, first episode, like Zoe, like the

600
00:32:12,279 --> 00:32:15,319
first episode was like she was introduced, you know, you know,

601
00:32:15,599 --> 00:32:17,839
Jay was like kind of like, you know, all goga

602
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:19,480
over her and that kind of stuff, and it's kind

603
00:32:19,519 --> 00:32:21,319
of fun for that, and then it's kind of stretching

604
00:32:21,359 --> 00:32:23,039
out even longer, and like.

605
00:32:24,000 --> 00:32:27,160
Speaker 1: It was like a interaction between the two characters. There

606
00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,519
was something that he would some comment he would make.

607
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:33,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it was. It was uncomfortable. So I'm glad

608
00:32:34,039 --> 00:32:38,680
that was resolved. And Abigo Geiger wrote this episode and

609
00:32:38,759 --> 00:32:42,359
I have to say, she's probably the one that's saving characters,

610
00:32:42,559 --> 00:32:48,160
like redeeming characters in fixing situations. I think that fans

611
00:32:48,200 --> 00:32:51,720
have not liked because back in album seventy five, she

612
00:32:51,799 --> 00:32:54,799
did Who's the Company, Three's a Crowd with you know,

613
00:32:54,839 --> 00:32:59,119
with and Emily that resolved there and and with this,

614
00:32:59,279 --> 00:33:02,480
you know, getting you know, Jane and Zoe getting that

615
00:33:02,519 --> 00:33:06,359
thing resolved. And she's great at writing episodes, you know,

616
00:33:06,680 --> 00:33:08,519
she loves writing episodes that you know about, you know,

617
00:33:08,599 --> 00:33:11,599
kind of the interpersonal relationships and conflicts and things like

618
00:33:11,640 --> 00:33:14,559
that and how I'll work through those things. So I'm

619
00:33:14,680 --> 00:33:17,279
very happy again the whole team. Other people, you know,

620
00:33:17,359 --> 00:33:19,559
should a runner and executive producer, all that would have

621
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:21,519
to prove this. But I think she's the perfect person

622
00:33:21,599 --> 00:33:25,119
to make this episode because of that reason, the reason

623
00:33:25,160 --> 00:33:27,960
of you know, resolving this long standing issue that's been

624
00:33:27,960 --> 00:33:29,160
going on for a long time.

625
00:33:29,799 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 1: And again, this feels like a really long time, even

626
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:37,039
though it probably feels longer because of the way the

627
00:33:37,079 --> 00:33:39,440
release schedule has been over the last several years, just

628
00:33:39,759 --> 00:33:43,279
long gaps in between, and in reality, the number of

629
00:33:43,319 --> 00:33:46,480
episodes is probably less than it feels like. But yeah,

630
00:33:46,680 --> 00:33:48,880
it went on for too long. In my opinion, but again,

631
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:52,799
some really solid lines from this character. But there was

632
00:33:52,839 --> 00:33:55,920
a poignant moment towards the end there that I really liked.

633
00:33:56,000 --> 00:33:59,960
And you know, he's like he's realizing my need ist

634
00:34:00,039 --> 00:34:03,640
stop this and he makes a comment and suddenly he

635
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:05,720
immediately is like, oh did I do it again? Did

636
00:34:05,759 --> 00:34:07,319
I do that right there? And he's like, oh man,

637
00:34:07,359 --> 00:34:10,360
this is gonna be hard, and Witt says most good

638
00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:13,159
things are and I was like, ooh, yeah, that's a

639
00:34:13,159 --> 00:34:14,280
good one. That's a good one with.

640
00:34:15,119 --> 00:34:17,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, And he actually even starts to cry and tear

641
00:34:17,800 --> 00:34:19,320
up a little bit near the end, which was like

642
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:24,039
unusual and also too. Some of the best Jay episodes

643
00:34:24,239 --> 00:34:28,519
are the ones where like he's his mask, his persona

644
00:34:28,599 --> 00:34:31,079
is kind of like it slips and you kind of

645
00:34:31,119 --> 00:34:35,199
see the real the real hurt, the real insecurities he has,

646
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,159
like you know, I'm mistaken for good and even like

647
00:34:38,440 --> 00:34:41,239
they're and back again and things like that, because I know,

648
00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:43,360
in one of the official podcast they mentioned how Jay

649
00:34:43,519 --> 00:34:46,400
is a static characters the key, so it can't change really,

650
00:34:47,119 --> 00:34:49,519
but with this one, like you know, it's something It

651
00:34:49,559 --> 00:34:52,320
wasn't always Darren Jay's character, but this was introduced and

652
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,199
it was resolved, so you know, it's not like totally

653
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:57,440
changing his characters, like he hasn't become a Christian yet

654
00:34:57,480 --> 00:34:59,760
and he's not. He still has a big ego ego

655
00:34:59,800 --> 00:35:02,639
and that kind of stuff. But I'm glad we got

656
00:35:02,679 --> 00:35:05,639
an episode like this because that's usually I think when

657
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:10,760
Jay shines is when he's challenged, where he's not being

658
00:35:10,760 --> 00:35:12,000
the one challenging other people.

659
00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:16,199
Speaker 1: Yeah, and of course we can't talk about the character

660
00:35:16,239 --> 00:35:19,280
without mentioning Whithurtford, the actor who plays him. He just

661
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,800
does such a fantastic job. And I remember several years

662
00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:24,840
back when he was away from the show for a

663
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:28,280
while because Witt was over in the UK. I think

664
00:35:28,320 --> 00:35:30,440
he was doing a theater show or something like that

665
00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,400
and wasn't able to do Odyssey for a period, and

666
00:35:33,400 --> 00:35:37,039
it's like, oh man, I missed that character. So it's

667
00:35:37,039 --> 00:35:39,840
so cool that he's back on the show. And I

668
00:35:39,880 --> 00:35:43,079
think he's just I don't know. I mean, I know

669
00:35:43,119 --> 00:35:45,320
there are some people that really don't like the character,

670
00:35:45,400 --> 00:35:48,400
but I do quite a bit. I just I like

671
00:35:48,519 --> 00:35:50,800
him a lot, So I'm glad that he's back a

672
00:35:50,800 --> 00:35:51,440
part of the show.

673
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:54,679
Speaker 2: Same and another character that made return was Andy Rome

674
00:35:54,840 --> 00:35:57,320
back from album seventy four, So it's cool to hear

675
00:35:57,360 --> 00:35:58,079
from him again.

676
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:02,559
Speaker 1: Right, yeah, yeah, and uh he pops up just to

677
00:36:03,039 --> 00:36:05,679
here and there of course in the uh in the

678
00:36:05,679 --> 00:36:10,639
school newspaper situations, which don't come up super frequently. It

679
00:36:10,639 --> 00:36:15,320
feels like those don't come up with this character with

680
00:36:15,360 --> 00:36:17,119
these new characters as much as they did back in

681
00:36:17,159 --> 00:36:20,119
the day, with like Lucy who's constantly working on an

682
00:36:20,199 --> 00:36:23,199
article for the Odyssey Owl. It seems like, but I guess,

683
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,239
you know, newspapers aren't really a thing all that much.

684
00:36:26,800 --> 00:36:29,119
Do schools still still do newspapers? I don't know.

685
00:36:29,480 --> 00:36:32,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, And speaking speaking of like technology changes, like you know,

686
00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:34,440
this one has like a lot of a lot of

687
00:36:34,480 --> 00:36:36,960
phone usage and things like that. And I don't know

688
00:36:36,960 --> 00:36:39,039
if you caught the reference. I can't remember. I I

689
00:36:39,079 --> 00:36:41,119
caught it the first time I listened to the episode,

690
00:36:41,119 --> 00:36:43,760
but I did the second time. Where Olivia says TikTok,

691
00:36:44,079 --> 00:36:47,079
It's like, uh, yeah, I'm sure that was intentional. Like

692
00:36:47,559 --> 00:36:49,320
I may just be feeling the gap because you know,

693
00:36:49,360 --> 00:36:51,159
TikTok is a big thing, but since it's kind of

694
00:36:51,239 --> 00:36:53,519
you know, the video life online and things like that,

695
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,000
like I'm pretty sure that was intentional in the line.

696
00:36:55,800 --> 00:36:59,480
Speaker 1: There, Oh and she's trying to tell him to hurry up. Yeah, yeah,

697
00:36:59,519 --> 00:37:02,480
oh right, right, Okay, yeah, I heard that, but I didn't.

698
00:37:02,559 --> 00:37:04,480
I didn't think it was a reference, but man, maybe

699
00:37:04,480 --> 00:37:04,800
it was.

700
00:37:05,400 --> 00:37:07,119
Speaker 2: It's one of those things that it could be unintentional

701
00:37:07,639 --> 00:37:11,000
or intentional. It works either way. But I think the

702
00:37:11,039 --> 00:37:15,039
whole concept of you know, this reom consequence adventure that

703
00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:18,880
set up is like they don't say it fully outright

704
00:37:19,760 --> 00:37:21,679
in the story, but if you're gonna think a little

705
00:37:21,679 --> 00:37:23,719
bit deeper, this whole thing is kind of like an

706
00:37:23,719 --> 00:37:28,199
extreme version of how Jay treats Zoe, like she has

707
00:37:28,239 --> 00:37:31,079
to do this with me and things like that. And

708
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:33,320
with this you know, this show about his life, like

709
00:37:33,360 --> 00:37:35,280
the fans they tell him what to do and what

710
00:37:35,320 --> 00:37:37,679
he can't do and things like that. It's like very

711
00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:41,000
micromanaging everything. And it's like a again, like I said, like

712
00:37:41,039 --> 00:37:43,760
extreme example of how what he's doing to Zoe, not

713
00:37:43,880 --> 00:37:47,639
listening to her, not you know, caring about what she

714
00:37:47,800 --> 00:37:51,320
wants and wanting what's best for her, and like he

715
00:37:51,440 --> 00:37:53,440
sees that, you know, with this kind of extreme you know,

716
00:37:53,559 --> 00:37:56,199
realm consequence, which is real consequence is great for this.

717
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,280
I think it was a great usage of the machine

718
00:37:58,280 --> 00:38:01,320
here for that and it's one of its but it's like,

719
00:38:01,599 --> 00:38:04,800
it's really cool how you know, you were kind of

720
00:38:05,159 --> 00:38:08,320
walking to another man's shoes or woman's shoes, kind of

721
00:38:08,360 --> 00:38:10,960
like the transmuter not thing is it has been used

722
00:38:10,960 --> 00:38:14,559
in ages, Yeah, but it kind of kind of with

723
00:38:14,599 --> 00:38:16,360
this way. The way it was used, I think was

724
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:20,000
really clever in that way, and also kind of tap

725
00:38:20,079 --> 00:38:24,480
into kind of the the unfortunate reality of some many

726
00:38:24,519 --> 00:38:26,840
people being obsessed with people online and their lives and

727
00:38:26,880 --> 00:38:27,559
things like that.

728
00:38:28,079 --> 00:38:32,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, talking about Zoe, we got to

729
00:38:32,440 --> 00:38:34,960
mention Natalie Lander, who does such great job with that

730
00:38:35,079 --> 00:38:38,880
character too. So just a great cast. I mean that

731
00:38:38,960 --> 00:38:40,800
kind of goes without saying with this show most of

732
00:38:40,840 --> 00:38:45,719
the time, they always have such great actors, and I

733
00:38:45,760 --> 00:38:47,880
mean there's rarely ever anything to complain about on the

734
00:38:47,920 --> 00:38:50,679
acting side with Adventures not Asy And.

735
00:38:50,639 --> 00:38:52,960
Speaker 2: I should probably mention to Andy Rome He's played by

736
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:55,639
al Ko Feel I think I'm pronouncing that right. I'm

737
00:38:55,679 --> 00:38:56,000
not sure.

738
00:38:56,119 --> 00:38:58,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that's correct. Well. That brings us to

739
00:38:59,199 --> 00:39:04,360
episode nine, Painted into a Corner, another Abigail Geiger episode.

740
00:39:04,440 --> 00:39:07,559
She also directed this episode with post production by Luke

741
00:39:07,639 --> 00:39:12,400
Gano and music by John Campbell. This one is a

742
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:17,119
really great episode. This is probably my favorite Abigail Geiger

743
00:39:17,159 --> 00:39:20,440
episode so far. I might even go so far as

744
00:39:20,480 --> 00:39:23,719
to say this is one of her best ones that

745
00:39:23,800 --> 00:39:27,280
she's written so far. There's a lot going on in

746
00:39:27,320 --> 00:39:31,159
this one. Even though, boy, this just sounds like I'm

747
00:39:31,199 --> 00:39:33,960
complaining the whole time, and I don't mean this way

748
00:39:34,039 --> 00:39:36,400
at all. But even though I'm not the biggest fan

749
00:39:36,559 --> 00:39:40,400
of Penny and this is an episode about Penny, I

750
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:43,599
really really thought this one was pretty solid. I mean,

751
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:48,719
there's humor because it's Penny, but there's also a lot

752
00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:54,039
of heart and some really I mean, families can be

753
00:39:54,119 --> 00:39:58,960
complicated family relationships, I mean it is it is not

754
00:39:59,599 --> 00:40:04,400
too difficult with some people to find yourself at odds

755
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,440
with him and you don't end up speaking to them

756
00:40:06,440 --> 00:40:10,880
for years, and it's not uncommon, unfortunately, And so I

757
00:40:11,440 --> 00:40:15,679
think it was really interesting and it didn't feel like,

758
00:40:16,400 --> 00:40:18,880
oh this is this is too coincidental, like how in

759
00:40:18,920 --> 00:40:21,760
the world, you know, because sometimes there are circumstances that

760
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:23,840
come up in the show you're like, it's a bit

761
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:26,119
of a stretch. But no, it felt like it all

762
00:40:26,159 --> 00:40:28,719
made sense for these sort of things to fall into place.

763
00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,480
The only really wacky things where or what was going

764
00:40:32,519 --> 00:40:38,280
on with Wouten and his cousin. But overall this I

765
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:39,639
really liked this episode.

766
00:40:40,159 --> 00:40:42,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think this is you know, some of Apico

767
00:40:42,840 --> 00:40:44,559
Geiger's best work as well, and I think it's the

768
00:40:44,559 --> 00:40:48,480
best my favorite episode from this album. I really like

769
00:40:48,639 --> 00:40:51,320
that we're seeing more of Wooten's family, hearing from his

770
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,480
mom for the first time. And like I said, like

771
00:40:55,000 --> 00:40:58,320
Penny is not my favorite character. I haven't really been

772
00:40:58,400 --> 00:41:02,400
a big fan of her too often, but like ever

773
00:41:02,480 --> 00:41:05,960
since Paul McCusker left the show, Penny has usually been

774
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:09,840
written a lot more comedic and kind of Wooten in

775
00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:14,519
a way. But I think Abigo Geiger usually she's the

776
00:41:14,559 --> 00:41:18,800
one writing their episodes, like she wrote if I Never

777
00:41:18,880 --> 00:41:24,840
Told You and I'm Blinking on another one. But I

778
00:41:24,920 --> 00:41:28,880
mentioned like she she does these kind of interpersonal conflict

779
00:41:28,960 --> 00:41:33,599
episodes so well and makes it, like you said, like

780
00:41:33,639 --> 00:41:37,079
sound realistic. She's just done such a great job writing

781
00:41:37,079 --> 00:41:39,480
for like Wooten and Penny and writing them in a

782
00:41:39,519 --> 00:41:43,960
way that most other writers don't. Marshall Younger does pretty

783
00:41:43,960 --> 00:41:46,400
good with Wuten's character, like he wrote, I think the

784
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:49,679
Forever Gift, and I think that was a good episode.

785
00:41:49,679 --> 00:41:53,920
But Abigo Geiger, she treats these more comedic characters and

786
00:41:53,960 --> 00:41:56,800
remembers that these aren't one dimensional, They're not just there

787
00:41:56,800 --> 00:42:00,360
for comic relief. They have a heart and showing their

788
00:42:00,440 --> 00:42:03,519
vulnerability in a way that's not all comedy all the time.

789
00:42:03,639 --> 00:42:05,920
I love how she presents the characters in this.

790
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 1: Didn't she write the one where we have the whole

791
00:42:09,440 --> 00:42:13,960
sort of aftermath of Trask and his family?

792
00:42:14,800 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, she wrote, Yeah, that was an album seventy five,

793
00:42:19,639 --> 00:42:22,800
the first episode of that album. Yeah, yeah, yeah, she

794
00:42:22,840 --> 00:42:23,719
wrote that one too.

795
00:42:24,079 --> 00:42:26,840
Speaker 1: And I remember, you know, thinking that there were some

796
00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:30,079
really good moments in that one as well, And I

797
00:42:30,079 --> 00:42:33,280
thought Penny was handled pretty pretty well there too. Of course,

798
00:42:33,400 --> 00:42:36,840
Penny played by Keimmy Robertson and Wooten by Jess Harnell.

799
00:42:37,440 --> 00:42:39,840
And you know, I think, you know, you can correct

800
00:42:39,840 --> 00:42:43,599
me if I'm wrong, But I think these the two

801
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:48,079
actors for the parents are are newer to Honestly, I've

802
00:42:48,119 --> 00:42:52,280
never heard of Leslie Wohlman before, who played Evangeline Bassett

803
00:42:52,559 --> 00:42:56,079
and Jamison Price played Winston Bassett. Has he been on

804
00:42:56,079 --> 00:42:58,320
the show before. Have we heard Wooden's dad before?

805
00:42:58,920 --> 00:43:02,199
Speaker 2: Jameson Price sounds familiar, slightly familiar. I think he might

806
00:43:02,239 --> 00:43:04,039
have been on the show before, but not as Wutin's dad.

807
00:43:04,199 --> 00:43:06,679
Leslie Woman, I think is new. But the last time

808
00:43:06,679 --> 00:43:09,039
I heard Wuten's dad was in Wooing Wooten An album

809
00:43:09,079 --> 00:43:12,079
forty nine and he was played by Fred Tatastre there,

810
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:17,159
which is weird because later Fred Tatasur plays Bradford the Butler. Later.

811
00:43:19,679 --> 00:43:22,679
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I have to say both of them. Their

812
00:43:22,719 --> 00:43:26,719
performances all throughout this episode top tier stuff. I mean,

813
00:43:27,280 --> 00:43:32,800
really solid, like the mother Evangeline. She's got some more

814
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,920
lighter moments with Penny, and then you know, like the

815
00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:39,400
she's heading up this art auction thing, so she's like

816
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:42,480
the take charge kind of personality in a couple of moments.

817
00:43:42,840 --> 00:43:44,920
But then we have that really poignant moment at the

818
00:43:45,079 --> 00:43:49,119
end where it's kind of a tender exchange between her

819
00:43:49,119 --> 00:43:52,719
and her husband, and again she just nailed it. I

820
00:43:52,719 --> 00:43:56,400
mean it was so so good, and that moment where

821
00:43:57,199 --> 00:44:01,280
she's overhearing Penny talking on the phone, and then she

822
00:44:01,400 --> 00:44:05,199
was never brash or you know, loud throughout, but she

823
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:07,920
was she was more of an outgoing kind of thing.

824
00:44:07,960 --> 00:44:10,840
But that in that moment where she just makes that

825
00:44:10,880 --> 00:44:14,159
statement where she observes, I forget the comment that she makes,

826
00:44:14,199 --> 00:44:18,400
but making that comment about hearing that exchange between Penny

827
00:44:18,400 --> 00:44:22,280
and Woutin, and just there was a tenderness in just

828
00:44:22,320 --> 00:44:25,920
like a wistfulness in the delivery there. It was just

829
00:44:26,119 --> 00:44:27,400
really really good.

830
00:44:28,119 --> 00:44:30,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think another thing that really helped with

831
00:44:30,800 --> 00:44:33,000
that is the music. I have notes in this that

832
00:44:33,480 --> 00:44:35,360
the music, especially when they're talking about like the swing

833
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:39,599
set picture and you know, the resolution some of John

834
00:44:39,639 --> 00:44:43,039
Campbell's best work, Like it was so emotional. It wasn't

835
00:44:43,119 --> 00:44:45,360
like two over the top. It wasn't just you know,

836
00:44:46,360 --> 00:44:49,159
not enough, Like it perfectly matched, you know, the acting

837
00:44:50,000 --> 00:44:53,039
for the characters, and there's like, this is so beautiful,

838
00:44:53,079 --> 00:44:54,559
this is such beautiful music here.

839
00:44:55,480 --> 00:44:56,960
Speaker 1: It really was, It really was.

840
00:44:57,360 --> 00:44:59,519
Speaker 2: But then you also have some really humorous moments, like

841
00:44:59,559 --> 00:45:02,119
you know, Wutin and we don't hear Hadley. He's kind

842
00:45:02,119 --> 00:45:03,559
of like Vincent in this. We don't hear him atal

843
00:45:03,880 --> 00:45:06,280
but you're all the crazy stuff happening. But I really

844
00:45:06,320 --> 00:45:09,960
love my favorite lines, comedic lines when Penny's trying to

845
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,039
avoid talking about whutin like, oh, he works with the

846
00:45:12,039 --> 00:45:15,960
government just we should in communication and then talks about

847
00:45:16,000 --> 00:45:18,039
him being humble, and Winston says, yea, he was have

848
00:45:18,119 --> 00:45:21,880
a good father and says he he definitely has a father.

849
00:45:22,119 --> 00:45:24,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I liked that too.

850
00:45:26,960 --> 00:45:29,079
Speaker 2: There was actually, I think a goof in the writing

851
00:45:29,119 --> 00:45:30,920
of this. I noticed I went back and listened to it,

852
00:45:30,960 --> 00:45:33,840
and I think I'm correcting this. Early in the episode,

853
00:45:34,159 --> 00:45:36,239
Winston shows up. He says that him and the board

854
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:38,679
members got tired of waiting for George to show up

855
00:45:38,960 --> 00:45:41,679
and making decisions without him, and so he came. He

856
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:45,599
later says when he comes clean to Evangeline, he says

857
00:45:45,639 --> 00:45:48,599
George didn't cancel the board meeting, that Winston didn't go

858
00:45:48,679 --> 00:45:51,840
to the board meeting, So like, that doesn't compute because

859
00:45:52,039 --> 00:45:55,320
earlier he said, like you had were at the board meeting,

860
00:45:55,320 --> 00:45:57,519
but he didn't show up, Like I know he was

861
00:45:57,599 --> 00:46:00,719
lying to her, but again his lot, it didn't make

862
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,920
sense when he came clean either with that, because George

863
00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:05,599
didn't cancel the board meaning like they might have canceled

864
00:46:05,639 --> 00:46:08,400
it because of him, but George didn't cancel the board meeting.

865
00:46:08,639 --> 00:46:11,039
So there's a small little goof again, it's a little

866
00:46:11,079 --> 00:46:15,679
really small nitpick, but yeah, I really enjoyed this episode.

867
00:46:16,079 --> 00:46:18,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a that's a good one. I think you're

868
00:46:18,199 --> 00:46:21,159
I think you're right about that. I didn't pick up

869
00:46:21,159 --> 00:46:24,880
on that, but yeah, good catch. But yeah, again, solid

870
00:46:24,960 --> 00:46:27,840
solid episode. I'm kind of hoping we hear from his

871
00:46:27,960 --> 00:46:31,639
parents again. That would be cool. Yeah. All right, Well

872
00:46:31,639 --> 00:46:36,840
that brings us to episode one, not nine one one.

873
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:40,719
We don't have an emergency around here, and it's called

874
00:46:40,840 --> 00:46:45,760
making nice. This one's written by Jesse Kellam fourth, directed

875
00:46:45,760 --> 00:46:50,320
by Marshall Younger and post production by Zack Schneider. Music

876
00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:55,599
by John Campbell. So the first thing that stuck in

877
00:46:55,639 --> 00:46:58,320
my mind about this one is, of course it's Jay

878
00:46:59,559 --> 00:47:02,320
A love his line he's like time to turn on

879
00:47:02,480 --> 00:47:05,559
the smouse charm or as I call it, the smarm

880
00:47:06,719 --> 00:47:12,480
just cracked me up. It's like, oh, you know, the

881
00:47:12,519 --> 00:47:16,880
funny thing is is in some ways he he sometimes

882
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:20,480
seems like he is educated, like he knows certain things,

883
00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:24,599
and in other times he's like completely dinse to certain things,

884
00:47:24,639 --> 00:47:29,039
like do you not know what it means to be smarmy? There? Jay?

885
00:47:30,599 --> 00:47:32,559
Speaker 2: You know I didn't get I didn't get that until

886
00:47:32,679 --> 00:47:36,039
just now. So Oh, I guess I'm like Jay in

887
00:47:36,079 --> 00:47:40,760
that respect. You did not pick up on that both times.

888
00:47:41,039 --> 00:47:43,199
Speaker 1: I mean when I first I listened to this quite

889
00:47:43,199 --> 00:47:46,119
some time back, and then listened to it again actually

890
00:47:46,280 --> 00:47:50,000
just today in preparation for this review, and I just

891
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:52,559
remember it cracking me up both times. And the funny

892
00:47:52,559 --> 00:47:54,320
thing is, right now, I'm also in the middle of

893
00:47:54,360 --> 00:47:59,559
reading rereading David Copperfield, and for anybody who has read

894
00:47:59,559 --> 00:48:03,880
that book, you know, the character of the definition of

895
00:48:03,960 --> 00:48:08,119
smarmy in there is Uryah Heap, and so for some reason,

896
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:12,239
I just drew that correlation when I heard that word smart,

897
00:48:12,360 --> 00:48:16,840
and I just immediately started thinking about Uryah Heap. But

898
00:48:17,280 --> 00:48:18,480
that's not related to Odyssey.

899
00:48:18,559 --> 00:48:23,559
Speaker 2: So part my favorite line from this episode from Jay

900
00:48:23,840 --> 00:48:26,239
is I often leave a path of blown minds my wake.

901
00:48:28,599 --> 00:48:30,039
It's like one of those lines that could be taken

902
00:48:30,079 --> 00:48:31,239
negative or positively.

903
00:48:32,039 --> 00:48:36,719
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I think I've liked, for the most part,

904
00:48:36,920 --> 00:48:40,000
Jesse's episodes too, so this was another one that was

905
00:48:40,039 --> 00:48:43,280
pretty fun. I'm you know, I'm not super into the

906
00:48:43,320 --> 00:48:46,079
sports episodes all that much, but we've had them ever

907
00:48:46,119 --> 00:48:48,599
since the beginning, you know, they go way back in

908
00:48:48,639 --> 00:48:49,840
the show, so I'm not.

909
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:51,800
Speaker 2: Wits Flop was a sports episode.

910
00:48:51,840 --> 00:48:55,599
Speaker 1: Actually, yeah, so I'm not necessarily criticizing them, it's just

911
00:48:55,599 --> 00:48:59,079
that they're not They're not usually my favorites. But the

912
00:48:59,119 --> 00:49:03,559
whole idea of sports among kids is the opportunity to

913
00:49:03,599 --> 00:49:07,119
teach interpersonal skills a lot of times, and so it's

914
00:49:07,199 --> 00:49:09,280
a good metaphor for life in a lot of ways.

915
00:49:09,599 --> 00:49:12,400
So I understand why they do it. And of course

916
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:16,719
playing sports is part of many kids life, so it's

917
00:49:16,719 --> 00:49:19,599
something that they can relate with, so it makes sense.

918
00:49:19,639 --> 00:49:22,440
But what makes it funny is having Jay in it,

919
00:49:22,559 --> 00:49:26,199
and of course him as the mascot makes total sense.

920
00:49:26,239 --> 00:49:29,679
I mean, he's the perfect character to do that. So

921
00:49:30,280 --> 00:49:32,480
there's a lot of fun moments in this one.

922
00:49:32,800 --> 00:49:36,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, this episode was interesting and one of the reasons

923
00:49:36,039 --> 00:49:38,960
I kind of liked this album quite a bit is

924
00:49:39,440 --> 00:49:42,440
kind of the more standalone episodes, not necessarily a two

925
00:49:42,440 --> 00:49:44,760
parter like the last two are kind of a two parter. Yeah,

926
00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:48,119
very very story arc driven. But this is the last

927
00:49:48,280 --> 00:49:51,440
non sturlient episode in a mainstream album. This is kind

928
00:49:51,440 --> 00:49:53,639
of the episode that we get in the club because

929
00:49:53,679 --> 00:49:56,840
since the albums are only six episodes or recently and

930
00:49:56,880 --> 00:49:59,360
then up until album eighty, like every episode has to

931
00:49:59,440 --> 00:50:03,320
continue aus storyline or like there's no episode that you

932
00:50:03,360 --> 00:50:06,159
can listen to like kind of out of sequence or whatever,

933
00:50:06,280 --> 00:50:09,119
or not know anything that came before it, or have

934
00:50:09,199 --> 00:50:12,360
to know what's happening after that. So that's one reason

935
00:50:12,360 --> 00:50:14,960
I liked this episode so much is that it wasn't

936
00:50:15,400 --> 00:50:17,559
It didn't have all these other things attached to it.

937
00:50:17,559 --> 00:50:19,039
It was just a fun episode.

938
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:23,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, and fun characters. You know, of course Jay, but

939
00:50:23,199 --> 00:50:28,480
also Myron. He was fun too. The whole thing with

940
00:50:28,519 --> 00:50:33,719
the musicals, Like musicals, they don't make any sense. I know.

941
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 2: I took a little bit of a hits to that

942
00:50:35,559 --> 00:50:36,760
because I like musicals.

943
00:50:37,000 --> 00:50:42,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, me too. But I remember when I went to

944
00:50:42,639 --> 00:50:45,800
New York and we were going to see Lamez, and

945
00:50:46,719 --> 00:50:50,039
I did not know this before going in that it

946
00:50:50,119 --> 00:50:53,599
was a sung through story. I just didn't know. I mean,

947
00:50:53,599 --> 00:50:57,920
this was several years ago and my I hadn't actually

948
00:50:57,920 --> 00:51:01,519
read the novel up to that point. My only exposure

949
00:51:01,559 --> 00:51:03,440
to the story had been through focus on the family

950
00:51:03,519 --> 00:51:07,719
radio theaters version. So yeah, it was quite a shock

951
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:10,039
when you know, the actors came out on stage and

952
00:51:10,039 --> 00:51:11,920
then they're just singing the entire time. Through and I

953
00:51:11,920 --> 00:51:13,760
was like, oh, so I took a little while to

954
00:51:13,760 --> 00:51:16,760
get adjusted to that. So I kind of understand where

955
00:51:16,800 --> 00:51:20,000
Myron's coming from a little bit. But I do enjoy musicals.

956
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:23,559
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've never seen the musical of Limiz, but I

957
00:51:23,960 --> 00:51:25,400
think that would be a little bit too much for me.

958
00:51:25,480 --> 00:51:29,079
Like I'm okay with songs interrupting dialogue, but no dialogue

959
00:51:29,079 --> 00:51:33,800
interrupting the songs. I don't know about. But another funny

960
00:51:33,800 --> 00:51:35,960
line from Jay, like when he's trying to get Myron mad,

961
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:38,559
He's like, just remember with what the hills are alive?

962
00:51:38,760 --> 00:51:42,639
Speaker 1: Yeah? What? What's? What was it? He asked him, what

963
00:51:43,039 --> 00:51:45,199
which one is your do you hate the most? Or

964
00:51:45,239 --> 00:51:48,000
something like that. Oh the sound of music.

965
00:51:49,519 --> 00:51:51,639
Speaker 2: Like the nazis er after what would you stop to

966
00:51:51,639 --> 00:51:52,280
sing a song?

967
00:51:54,440 --> 00:51:57,800
Speaker 1: Yeah? He had a lot of great lines, and he

968
00:51:58,159 --> 00:52:00,639
was an interesting character too. He wasn't just like the

969
00:52:01,480 --> 00:52:05,440
stereotypical kind of like a moose in the Archie comics,

970
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:08,920
you know, the jock who has no brain. He had

971
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:10,719
a little bit of a personality too, because at the

972
00:52:10,800 --> 00:52:13,360
end he's like he recognized that Jay actually was helping

973
00:52:13,440 --> 00:52:15,440
him in a lot of ways. So I liked him.

974
00:52:15,440 --> 00:52:18,480
Speaker 2: I liked him. I think Jesse wrote kind of sympathetic,

975
00:52:18,559 --> 00:52:21,159
like he's not just a one note character, like he

976
00:52:21,239 --> 00:52:24,559
has some funny because he's naive or kind of not

977
00:52:24,639 --> 00:52:27,519
aware of certain things. And again he's kind of a

978
00:52:27,559 --> 00:52:30,599
foil to a certain extent to Jay. But again, like

979
00:52:30,599 --> 00:52:33,760
you mentioned, he wasn't just a cartoon character there, like

980
00:52:34,159 --> 00:52:36,639
you should you saw progression with that and you and

981
00:52:36,679 --> 00:52:41,159
this also who played my Ron Bryce Pappenbrook, I think

982
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:43,119
is how you say it? Okay, Yeah, he did a

983
00:52:43,119 --> 00:52:45,320
great job with that because you know, a lot of

984
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:48,639
the acting also goes on the directing for this too,

985
00:52:49,719 --> 00:52:53,199
but he played that character so well where it wasn't

986
00:52:53,320 --> 00:52:57,199
just totally comedic. There was like underneath you could hear

987
00:52:57,320 --> 00:53:01,400
this kind of person that's kind of like like not depressed,

988
00:53:01,440 --> 00:53:03,800
but he's like not sure what he's doing with his

989
00:53:03,840 --> 00:53:06,440
life and he feels, you know, a lot of pressure

990
00:53:06,440 --> 00:53:08,840
and things like that. So I think that nuance really

991
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:11,679
helped make him a believable character.

992
00:53:12,000 --> 00:53:15,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and we get to hear Bob smith Hauser

993
00:53:16,559 --> 00:53:18,920
a couple of moments there as the football game announcer.

994
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:20,119
I think mm hmm.

995
00:53:20,199 --> 00:53:24,480
Speaker 2: Yeah. And also Ryan almost said Ryan Matlock, Ryan Cummings

996
00:53:24,480 --> 00:53:26,360
makes an appearance too, mm hmm.

997
00:53:27,000 --> 00:53:29,400
Speaker 1: And of course I mean the lesson. It's it's a

998
00:53:29,400 --> 00:53:32,360
great lesson that the difference between being nice and being

999
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:37,079
kind I guess to some extent in a certain circumstance

1000
00:53:37,320 --> 00:53:41,039
might also be like a difference between true love and

1001
00:53:41,199 --> 00:53:44,960
just caring about somebody. But you know, you're you're you

1002
00:53:45,079 --> 00:53:47,960
really want to help them, you want to make a difference,

1003
00:53:48,719 --> 00:53:51,559
and so sometimes you just have to tell them straight

1004
00:53:51,639 --> 00:53:55,039
up with tact and with kindness, but you got to

1005
00:53:55,079 --> 00:53:58,960
speak the truth in love, like the word says. Yeah.

1006
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,360
Speaker 2: I love the lesson, and in this it's one that

1007
00:54:01,800 --> 00:54:04,280
I don't think it's talked about much. I know it's

1008
00:54:04,440 --> 00:54:07,039
it's kind of addressed in your two kind and album

1009
00:54:07,119 --> 00:54:09,599
fifty four. It wasn't a great that was it wasn't

1010
00:54:09,639 --> 00:54:11,840
a great episode. I think this brought it out much better.

1011
00:54:12,440 --> 00:54:15,000
And I love how Chris talks about in a wrap up.

1012
00:54:15,039 --> 00:54:18,480
You know, nice is usually trying to avoid conflict, doesn't

1013
00:54:18,480 --> 00:54:21,480
want to hurt. But you know, kindness is you know,

1014
00:54:21,719 --> 00:54:24,519
telling the truth even if it means it will hurt others,

1015
00:54:25,440 --> 00:54:27,920
being bold and courageous with that. But you're oneing what's

1016
00:54:27,920 --> 00:54:29,760
best for them, not what's kind of best for you

1017
00:54:29,960 --> 00:54:33,599
or what you think is gonna you know, kind of

1018
00:54:34,159 --> 00:54:36,079
keeping the peace kind of thing. Where is it a

1019
00:54:36,079 --> 00:54:39,079
true piece if you know, you're not addressing the conflict here.

1020
00:54:39,119 --> 00:54:41,719
But yeah, I really I really appreciated the theme in this.

1021
00:54:42,360 --> 00:54:46,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's a it's a solid episode, all right. That

1022
00:54:46,559 --> 00:54:50,280
brings us to the final two episodes of the album, which,

1023
00:54:50,280 --> 00:54:51,800
as you said a moment ago, are sort of like

1024
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:54,320
a two parter. We have episode nine nine to two

1025
00:54:54,760 --> 00:55:00,159
Unmanageable and Facing the Music and nine three, which are

1026
00:55:00,159 --> 00:55:03,840
both written and directed by Kathy Buchanan, with post production

1027
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:07,719
by Nate Jones and music by John Campbell and Nate

1028
00:55:07,800 --> 00:55:12,360
Jones on both of these last two episodes. So the

1029
00:55:12,840 --> 00:55:15,639
band always cracks me up. The name Manic Ravioli just

1030
00:55:16,159 --> 00:55:21,000
it's hilarious. I love that it sounds like the name

1031
00:55:21,079 --> 00:55:25,280
of some garage band, you know. It's just perfect for that.

1032
00:55:26,280 --> 00:55:29,000
Speaker 2: I do have to say I wasn't here to review

1033
00:55:29,039 --> 00:55:32,880
album seventy six for right now it's wrong key, but

1034
00:55:33,079 --> 00:55:36,239
I wanted to talk about this before going to episode

1035
00:55:36,400 --> 00:55:39,280
two as well. This is something I've had a beef

1036
00:55:39,320 --> 00:55:43,119
with for a little while. But for me, I felt

1037
00:55:43,159 --> 00:55:48,199
like Odyssey's inclusion of their music and lyrics was too far,

1038
00:55:48,519 --> 00:55:51,679
especially the song Hollow, like in album seventy six that

1039
00:55:52,000 --> 00:55:53,639
quite a few those lyrics are used in it and

1040
00:55:53,679 --> 00:55:56,159
it's very kind of depressing, and it's going to use

1041
00:55:56,199 --> 00:55:57,519
some in this episode, I think a little bit in

1042
00:55:57,519 --> 00:56:00,599
the next episode, and it's like, well does he used

1043
00:56:00,599 --> 00:56:03,199
to have it? Where Like if they had something that

1044
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:06,039
was kind of considered to be bad or not stuff

1045
00:56:06,079 --> 00:56:08,800
that should be replicated, they don't focus on it too much.

1046
00:56:08,880 --> 00:56:13,639
Like back in album sixty three, Friend or Foe Jewels,

1047
00:56:13,639 --> 00:56:15,920
like the band change in Despair with the song says

1048
00:56:15,960 --> 00:56:18,559
I'm so unhappy. I remember them talking about the on

1049
00:56:18,559 --> 00:56:21,480
the podcast that they only had like the last lyric whatever.

1050
00:56:21,559 --> 00:56:23,440
I think Scott White was doing the lyric in that

1051
00:56:23,639 --> 00:56:26,079
or singing that because I didn't want kids to listen

1052
00:56:26,079 --> 00:56:28,840
to it, and that kind of get into, you know,

1053
00:56:28,880 --> 00:56:31,039
that mindset of it, because there's like kind of showing

1054
00:56:31,079 --> 00:56:34,159
that Jewels into this kind of stuff where she's depressed,

1055
00:56:34,199 --> 00:56:36,159
she's not a Christian, all that kind of stuff. But

1056
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:38,159
as much as they stretched this out in this I

1057
00:56:38,199 --> 00:56:40,039
don't think that was a good fit. And I know

1058
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:43,559
for me, personally, I didn't feel like that was great,

1059
00:56:43,719 --> 00:56:45,559
especially since you know a lot of kids are listening

1060
00:56:45,559 --> 00:56:48,679
to this. I don't very impressionable in that way. And

1061
00:56:48,880 --> 00:56:52,039
also too, I may get some disagreement on this, but

1062
00:56:52,400 --> 00:56:54,639
the music kind of more closer to hard rock kind

1063
00:56:54,639 --> 00:56:57,599
of style, not just in the transition music, but in

1064
00:56:57,679 --> 00:57:00,760
getting for the song itself. I know of few people

1065
00:57:01,920 --> 00:57:04,679
friends and family that would not appreciated that, and I

1066
00:57:04,719 --> 00:57:07,400
know obviously doesn't usually go too much into that. So

1067
00:57:07,440 --> 00:57:10,679
I know this kind of storyline and the inclusion of

1068
00:57:10,719 --> 00:57:14,800
this has been difficult to hear in some ways, but

1069
00:57:15,559 --> 00:57:19,199
I know where the story is going now. No spoilers,

1070
00:57:19,599 --> 00:57:22,760
but yeah, I felt like the Oyosity team had a

1071
00:57:22,760 --> 00:57:26,119
misstep there with that, because you don't want kids replicating

1072
00:57:26,280 --> 00:57:30,320
or singing these kind of lyrics, and because there's and

1073
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:32,599
there is some pushback a little bit in this episode

1074
00:57:32,639 --> 00:57:35,440
in the next episode again from like Connie and things

1075
00:57:35,480 --> 00:57:38,239
like that. But you know, it can show the darkness,

1076
00:57:38,280 --> 00:57:41,320
but don't spend so much time there that you know,

1077
00:57:41,519 --> 00:57:44,559
people listening might get wrapped up in that, or they've

1078
00:57:44,679 --> 00:57:47,000
listened to this kind of songs or whatever they've had

1079
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:48,960
that in their past where that kind of may trigger

1080
00:57:49,079 --> 00:57:51,280
something in the past, like, yeah, I don't want to

1081
00:57:51,280 --> 00:57:53,760
hear hear that. That's I'm not into that anymore. You know,

1082
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:57,119
God's brought me away from that, so yeah, I'll get

1083
00:57:57,119 --> 00:57:58,079
off my soapbox now.

1084
00:57:58,519 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 1: I don't remember how much of the song was in

1085
00:58:00,920 --> 00:58:06,079
the last album, but it's only like a line and

1086
00:58:06,159 --> 00:58:09,960
a half or so in these two episodes, so it

1087
00:58:10,000 --> 00:58:12,480
didn't really bother me all that much. And the whole time,

1088
00:58:12,599 --> 00:58:17,119
Connie's saying the the lyrics aren't good. She even mentions

1089
00:58:17,159 --> 00:58:19,760
that to Pamela a couple of times, So I see

1090
00:58:19,800 --> 00:58:22,199
what you're saying, but I didn't have a problem with it,

1091
00:58:23,079 --> 00:58:28,119
and I, you know, the whole storyline itself is the

1092
00:58:28,159 --> 00:58:31,239
thing that I was concerned about the most as the

1093
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:33,519
as we've had this whole progression of the whole buck

1094
00:58:33,639 --> 00:58:39,119
Jewels thing, and obviously they had a reason for doing it.

1095
00:58:39,159 --> 00:58:43,480
The trajectory of the character. It's it's kind of like

1096
00:58:44,679 --> 00:58:47,719
when you look back, you're like, Okay, I see where

1097
00:58:47,719 --> 00:58:51,840
they were going at certain points, it's like, not great

1098
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:55,880
in the moment of what we're experiencing right now. And

1099
00:58:56,599 --> 00:58:59,239
I think they were even more sensitive to that effect

1100
00:58:59,519 --> 00:59:02,559
that the stories can have with the whole Olivia thing,

1101
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:06,199
they intentionally, you know, even change the release schedule so

1102
00:59:06,199 --> 00:59:09,679
we can get back, get through those darker moments, get

1103
00:59:09,679 --> 00:59:12,599
to the resolution quicker. I think that was the great,

1104
00:59:12,639 --> 00:59:16,840
great move on their part with that. But yeah, I

1105
00:59:16,840 --> 00:59:19,519
can see because I honestly I was getting a little

1106
00:59:19,519 --> 00:59:23,360
nervous about the whole Buck Jewels thing, seeing certain early

1107
00:59:23,480 --> 00:59:26,400
signs of the of the relationship and some of the

1108
00:59:26,400 --> 00:59:30,519
things that were happening. But I don't necessarily have a

1109
00:59:30,559 --> 00:59:33,960
problem with how things went in this episode or in

1110
00:59:34,000 --> 00:59:39,320
this album, and having heard beyond this now and knowing

1111
00:59:39,360 --> 00:59:42,159
where things end up like where, I like the way

1112
00:59:42,199 --> 00:59:45,840
it plays out. But in the moment you're I can

1113
00:59:45,920 --> 00:59:48,000
see where some people might be a little bit too,

1114
00:59:49,440 --> 00:59:51,559
I don't know what the right word is, but a

1115
00:59:51,599 --> 00:59:56,400
little concerned or not super enthused. But the whole music

1116
00:59:56,719 --> 00:59:59,360
aspect of it didn't necessarily bother me all that much.

1117
00:59:59,360 --> 01:00:02,000
But I can I can see why some people might

1118
01:00:02,199 --> 01:00:05,400
have concerns with it. But I'm sure there's going to

1119
01:00:05,599 --> 01:00:09,320
just be differences of opinion on that among all kinds

1120
01:00:09,320 --> 01:00:12,440
of fans. Some people listen to all that kind of stuff.

1121
01:00:12,440 --> 01:00:15,840
I mean, we even had some Odyssey fan type of

1122
01:00:15,920 --> 01:00:20,400
music that's very much has a similar sound like the

1123
01:00:20,679 --> 01:00:24,400
McAllister Park stuff that Kevin McCreery did many years ago. So,

1124
01:00:24,840 --> 01:00:27,639
you know, to each their own, I think with the

1125
01:00:28,079 --> 01:00:32,760
style of music, but I think the more justifiable thought

1126
01:00:32,960 --> 01:00:36,440
to me would be the lyrics thing, and because it

1127
01:00:36,519 --> 01:00:40,360
was so apparent that the adults in the room to

1128
01:00:40,719 --> 01:00:44,559
phrase it that way, were not on board with the message.

1129
01:00:44,960 --> 01:00:48,760
But it's interesting too because even Buck, even though we know,

1130
01:00:49,320 --> 01:00:51,679
you know, he's still struggling with his own things as well,

1131
01:00:52,199 --> 01:00:54,599
but a lot of times he's sort of been like

1132
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:59,039
the I don't know, the angel on her shoulder a

1133
01:00:59,079 --> 01:01:03,880
little bit, or the content. Yeah. Yeah, he even didn't

1134
01:01:03,920 --> 01:01:07,239
even pick up on anything wrong with the lyrics, you know.

1135
01:01:07,280 --> 01:01:09,400
He when he went backstage, she was like telling them

1136
01:01:09,400 --> 01:01:12,000
a how how great they were and everything, And Connie

1137
01:01:12,039 --> 01:01:13,760
is the one who had to point out, Yeah, she

1138
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:15,440
told me she was going to change in the lyrics,

1139
01:01:15,440 --> 01:01:18,920
but she didn't. So it's a it's a tough line

1140
01:01:18,920 --> 01:01:22,079
that they have to to lock whenever they're presenting these

1141
01:01:22,159 --> 01:01:25,880
kinds of stories, And honestly, I don't envy the team

1142
01:01:25,960 --> 01:01:27,679
on how they have to do this, but.

1143
01:01:29,440 --> 01:01:32,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, Okay, back to the story, but to.

1144
01:01:32,719 --> 01:01:36,039
Speaker 1: That point about all of those kinds of influences in

1145
01:01:36,079 --> 01:01:40,239
your life. You know, Jewels makes that comment about you know, oh,

1146
01:01:40,280 --> 01:01:42,360
they don't affect me, you know, I can be my

1147
01:01:42,400 --> 01:01:45,280
own person or whatever, and Connie says, people you hang

1148
01:01:45,320 --> 01:01:49,280
out with always influence you. You just don't realize how much.

1149
01:01:49,599 --> 01:01:52,519
And she wasn't speaking directly to her necessarily, or or

1150
01:01:53,000 --> 01:01:55,800
speaking only of her, but she was speaking just in general.

1151
01:01:56,440 --> 01:02:00,320
That is true of every single one of us. You know.

1152
01:02:00,800 --> 01:02:04,119
There's that saying of that you become the sum of

1153
01:02:04,159 --> 01:02:06,199
the five people that you hang out with the most,

1154
01:02:06,280 --> 01:02:10,400
or something along those lines. It's true. The people that

1155
01:02:10,440 --> 01:02:14,880
you associate with, they do rub off on you. Regardless

1156
01:02:14,880 --> 01:02:16,800
of how much you think you are your own person.

1157
01:02:17,320 --> 01:02:21,280
You are influenced by your family and friends and even

1158
01:02:21,280 --> 01:02:23,719
your work colleagues or whatever it is, the people that

1159
01:02:23,760 --> 01:02:27,000
you're around the most. It happens. It's just part of

1160
01:02:27,000 --> 01:02:28,920
being human and you have to be aware of that.

1161
01:02:29,880 --> 01:02:32,400
But right at the top of this episode, totally a

1162
01:02:32,440 --> 01:02:35,599
sign of the times, talking about going into restaurants and

1163
01:02:35,920 --> 01:02:39,320
picking up orders with somebody's name, like you know, that

1164
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:42,559
wouldn't have happened you know ten years ago, five years ago,

1165
01:02:42,599 --> 01:02:45,679
maybe well about five years that started to become a

1166
01:02:45,719 --> 01:02:48,079
thing that a lot of people did. But I mean

1167
01:02:48,159 --> 01:02:51,119
it's a relatively recent kind of thing that you could do.

1168
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:53,239
Just walk into a restaurant and say, yeah, I'm picking

1169
01:02:53,320 --> 01:02:55,559
up an order for so and so, and then just

1170
01:02:55,599 --> 01:02:57,360
have a stack of orders they are ready to go.

1171
01:02:58,079 --> 01:03:01,000
But yeah, you talk about some of the technology that

1172
01:03:01,960 --> 01:03:05,480
gets referenced in an earlier episode, and and this is

1173
01:03:05,559 --> 01:03:09,440
just this is not technology necessarily, but it's just a

1174
01:03:09,480 --> 01:03:13,320
sign of the way that Odyssey is following along with culture.

1175
01:03:14,000 --> 01:03:15,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, that was one thing I wondered to, like, how

1176
01:03:16,039 --> 01:03:18,440
is it How does this happen with them not people

1177
01:03:18,440 --> 01:03:20,360
stealing an I think I've like briefly thought about that before.

1178
01:03:20,400 --> 01:03:22,039
So when they brought it up, and it's like, Okay,

1179
01:03:22,079 --> 01:03:25,400
I'm guess there's probably some people that probably do steal

1180
01:03:25,440 --> 01:03:28,239
stuff and do that way. And of course, different restaurants

1181
01:03:28,239 --> 01:03:30,320
we have different procedures on how they hand out food

1182
01:03:30,320 --> 01:03:32,840
and things like that. But one thing I caught like

1183
01:03:32,880 --> 01:03:35,280
they travel all the bad things that they've done, Like

1184
01:03:35,400 --> 01:03:38,119
raz he mentioned that excluding the tires from around car.

1185
01:03:38,599 --> 01:03:41,719
So I'm picking up flowers from a cemetery, and I thought, oh, yeah,

1186
01:03:41,800 --> 01:03:44,079
Rodney and green eyes and yellow tulips.

1187
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:47,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that was a good. Yeah. I don't know

1188
01:03:47,400 --> 01:03:50,519
if that was intentional, but it with it being Kathy,

1189
01:03:50,639 --> 01:03:51,280
it might have been.

1190
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:54,320
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1191
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:57,440
Speaker 1: But you know, I talked about Leslie and her performance

1192
01:03:57,599 --> 01:04:00,400
as Wooden's mom, but there's a there's a moment in

1193
01:04:00,480 --> 01:04:03,559
Katie's delivery in this episode that I just thought was

1194
01:04:03,639 --> 01:04:07,400
so so good. It's like, right after that that moment

1195
01:04:07,440 --> 01:04:10,840
that I just mentioned a minute ago, her interaction there

1196
01:04:10,880 --> 01:04:13,960
with Jewles early on in the episode and she's like,

1197
01:04:14,320 --> 01:04:16,639
I don't I don't need your Christian stuff or whatever

1198
01:04:16,679 --> 01:04:20,159
it is that however Jewels phrased it, but she walks

1199
01:04:20,159 --> 01:04:23,519
out of the room and Katie's delivery she says, oh, Jules,

1200
01:04:23,599 --> 01:04:26,639
you do need that. And the way that Katie delivered

1201
01:04:26,639 --> 01:04:30,159
that line was just like you could feel the anguish

1202
01:04:30,239 --> 01:04:32,880
and the love she has for her sister and just like,

1203
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:36,079
I want you to understand what I'm trying to do here.

1204
01:04:36,760 --> 01:04:40,039
And yes, we know for for comedy, we have her

1205
01:04:40,119 --> 01:04:43,519
kind of going overboard a little bit and and you know,

1206
01:04:43,599 --> 01:04:48,599
maybe pushing her away but not intentionally, but that that

1207
01:04:48,679 --> 01:04:50,280
moment was really really good.

1208
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:52,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, and even you know, the closing prayer at the

1209
01:04:52,920 --> 01:04:56,559
end of the episode too is very heartfelt from Katie

1210
01:04:56,719 --> 01:04:57,960
playing Connie there as well.

1211
01:04:58,400 --> 01:04:58,639
Speaker 1: M h.

1212
01:04:59,400 --> 01:05:01,679
Speaker 2: And I was not expecting this at all, but we

1213
01:05:01,719 --> 01:05:05,719
get to hear Pamela and her daughter in this episode. Yeah,

1214
01:05:05,880 --> 01:05:08,239
that kind of blew my mind a little bit because

1215
01:05:08,239 --> 01:05:10,559
we had Millstones back in twenty twenty, which I did

1216
01:05:10,639 --> 01:05:13,760
not enjoy that episode. We only hear Pamela on the phone,

1217
01:05:14,239 --> 01:05:17,559
but I don't think there's ever mention of her having

1218
01:05:17,599 --> 01:05:19,159
a kid at that point. I know we had Pamela

1219
01:05:19,239 --> 01:05:21,480
has a problem where she's thinking about getting abortion and

1220
01:05:21,519 --> 01:05:24,000
she ended up not doing that. But it's really cool

1221
01:05:24,360 --> 01:05:27,800
even they don't mention that history kind of showing how

1222
01:05:27,840 --> 01:05:32,599
she chose life to give her daughter life and seeing

1223
01:05:32,639 --> 01:05:35,679
her you know, interact with her mom and with Connie

1224
01:05:35,719 --> 01:05:39,119
as well. It's like very subtle, like if you don't

1225
01:05:39,159 --> 01:05:43,119
know those episodes, again, Pamla has the problems that lost episodes,

1226
01:05:43,159 --> 01:05:45,840
it doesn't get air on the radio anymore. But if

1227
01:05:45,840 --> 01:05:48,639
you know that history, it's kind of a that kind

1228
01:05:48,639 --> 01:05:53,280
of like confirmation in that kind of excitement and happiness. Yes, again,

1229
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:55,559
this is like a fictional character, but you know, hoping

1230
01:05:55,599 --> 01:05:58,119
people will do this in real life too, Like I'm

1231
01:05:58,159 --> 01:05:59,880
so glad she chose to have that baby.

1232
01:06:00,119 --> 01:06:03,360
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and they actually they got the same actress

1233
01:06:03,639 --> 01:06:06,920
as the one who appeared in Millstone, so that was

1234
01:06:07,000 --> 01:06:10,760
kind of cool. Her name was Aaron Fitzgerald and her

1235
01:06:10,880 --> 01:06:14,960
daughter Sadie. What an adorable little voice. Oh my goodness.

1236
01:06:15,079 --> 01:06:17,519
I don't know how old that actress is. Charity Joy

1237
01:06:17,559 --> 01:06:21,239
Harrison is her name, but I just loved her voice.

1238
01:06:21,559 --> 01:06:25,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, and this brings up another Adoboly too. It's like,

1239
01:06:25,599 --> 01:06:28,320
how old is Connie now? Because that was like years

1240
01:06:28,360 --> 01:06:31,159
ago and now her daughter, Pamela's daughter, sounds like she's

1241
01:06:31,199 --> 01:06:33,599
like me seven or eight or whatever. Like I'm sure

1242
01:06:33,639 --> 01:06:36,320
the people that are so conserned all the Odyssey timeline

1243
01:06:36,480 --> 01:06:38,760
like wait what, okay, how old is Connie now? Then

1244
01:06:38,840 --> 01:06:41,039
like this has happened or whatever. But you know, like

1245
01:06:41,079 --> 01:06:44,360
people don't live in Odyssey, they age, but people in honesty, Dylan,

1246
01:06:44,400 --> 01:06:46,639
that's as simple as I can make it.

1247
01:06:47,199 --> 01:06:49,760
Speaker 1: Well, she's not sixteen anymore. She's a homeowner.

1248
01:06:49,840 --> 01:06:53,599
Speaker 2: So yeah, that's true. Connie has aged a little bit.

1249
01:06:55,239 --> 01:06:58,360
Speaker 1: I thought it was really funny. We just had Jay

1250
01:06:58,519 --> 01:07:01,320
as a life coach in the previous episode. Now he's

1251
01:07:01,360 --> 01:07:03,559
showing up as trying to be the band's manager. So

1252
01:07:03,639 --> 01:07:06,360
it's like he just can't stop trying to tell people

1253
01:07:06,360 --> 01:07:06,840
what to do.

1254
01:07:08,400 --> 01:07:10,719
Speaker 2: Yeah, he learned his he learned his lesson with Zoe,

1255
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:11,880
but not for everybody else.

1256
01:07:12,639 --> 01:07:14,280
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1257
01:07:14,679 --> 01:07:18,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a very j centric album. Again, it's

1258
01:07:18,079 --> 01:07:19,960
only six episodes, but he's in three of them, so

1259
01:07:19,960 --> 01:07:21,360
he's in half of the album.

1260
01:07:21,440 --> 01:07:21,760
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1261
01:07:21,800 --> 01:07:23,840
Speaker 2: But he did have some really fun lines with this,

1262
01:07:23,960 --> 01:07:26,159
Like I liked his mention of Smeu's miracle water. Again,

1263
01:07:26,239 --> 01:07:27,960
it's like for those with discerment issues, and I think

1264
01:07:28,000 --> 01:07:30,239
one of the bandmates says, like, I have discernment issues.

1265
01:07:31,159 --> 01:07:32,920
And then like they're trying to look like how they

1266
01:07:32,920 --> 01:07:34,920
look like it tossled hair and a kind of broody

1267
01:07:34,960 --> 01:07:37,920
look or whatever, and comes in and says, you know,

1268
01:07:37,960 --> 01:07:42,880
stop looking like he'll murder me of by sleep. Yeah,

1269
01:07:42,920 --> 01:07:45,920
he's great, Like he's he's like totally brutal with them,

1270
01:07:45,920 --> 01:07:49,280
like he doesn't pull bunches. And there was one trope

1271
01:07:49,400 --> 01:07:52,840
in this story that was kind of, uh, the expectation

1272
01:07:53,039 --> 01:07:55,800
was flipped a little bit because you know, whenever you're

1273
01:07:56,000 --> 01:07:57,480
you know a lot of out of drumas or whatever.

1274
01:07:57,960 --> 01:08:00,239
When your libraries people are talking and it's like, sh

1275
01:08:00,280 --> 01:08:02,239
all right, this is a library and things like that.

1276
01:08:02,239 --> 01:08:06,000
That happens quite often with Jay tells the Bayad that

1277
01:08:06,079 --> 01:08:09,199
they were performing at the library, says the library. He goes,

1278
01:08:09,360 --> 01:08:15,360
sh that it was hilarious, Like that's such a great

1279
01:08:16,199 --> 01:08:19,319
like a joke, like you hear it several times and

1280
01:08:19,359 --> 01:08:21,199
then like I know, like the rule three. I think

1281
01:08:21,199 --> 01:08:22,920
it's like, you know the third time is you flip

1282
01:08:22,920 --> 01:08:24,680
the expectations, like you set up how it is and

1283
01:08:24,720 --> 01:08:27,800
then you flip the expectation or whatever in the third one.

1284
01:08:28,159 --> 01:08:30,279
But it's such a fun thing to do. Like they're

1285
01:08:30,279 --> 01:08:32,239
not in the library, but they're saying it so loud.

1286
01:08:32,399 --> 01:08:34,479
Jay's like going with the trope is like if you

1287
01:08:34,520 --> 01:08:37,279
get loud in the library here s Yeah, it was

1288
01:08:37,359 --> 01:08:39,640
just a phenomenally funny line.

1289
01:08:40,000 --> 01:08:42,680
Speaker 1: You know what I totally missed. I mean I remember

1290
01:08:42,720 --> 01:08:44,760
that happening, but I totally didn't pick up on the

1291
01:08:45,760 --> 01:08:47,920
train of thought there, And that makes total sense. That's

1292
01:08:48,000 --> 01:08:51,760
hilarious now that I think about it. But all of

1293
01:08:51,760 --> 01:08:56,880
his interactions there with the guys, you know, that kind

1294
01:08:56,880 --> 01:09:00,640
of illustrates my point earlier. Sometimes he does have really

1295
01:09:00,680 --> 01:09:04,119
good knowledge about how the world works, and then other

1296
01:09:04,159 --> 01:09:07,600
times he's such a dunce. So I guess he's not

1297
01:09:07,720 --> 01:09:10,920
always the most consistent character. I mean, he made some

1298
01:09:11,000 --> 01:09:13,640
really good moves for them, like sitting up a website

1299
01:09:13,680 --> 01:09:16,000
and having a store where people can purchase their music

1300
01:09:16,039 --> 01:09:18,439
and stuff like that. They didn't even realize he'd done that,

1301
01:09:18,479 --> 01:09:21,720
and he did all that for them and stuff. So yeah,

1302
01:09:21,760 --> 01:09:24,760
it's it's interesting. I guess it doesn't necessarily all have

1303
01:09:24,840 --> 01:09:27,319
to make sense, but well.

1304
01:09:27,880 --> 01:09:30,159
Speaker 2: That kind of goes with you know, the last episode too,

1305
01:09:30,319 --> 01:09:32,000
is like he was actually a pretty good life coach

1306
01:09:32,079 --> 01:09:33,800
for Myron helped him quite a bit in this, Like

1307
01:09:34,279 --> 01:09:36,800
he really helped the band so much, like they got

1308
01:09:36,880 --> 01:09:39,720
more gigs, they got you know, more prestige and things

1309
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:42,520
like that, like more than what they wanted. And kind

1310
01:09:42,520 --> 01:09:44,399
of the reason why he stops is because they were

1311
01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:46,039
fighting so much and that kind of stuff, and their

1312
01:09:46,079 --> 01:09:47,720
egos got in the way and things like that. And

1313
01:09:47,760 --> 01:09:50,479
he has a big ego himself. But he's like, okay,

1314
01:09:50,560 --> 01:09:53,359
maybe like there're like later on he said he said, like, yeah,

1315
01:09:53,359 --> 01:09:55,159
if I wanted to see an entital narcissist I would

1316
01:09:55,159 --> 01:09:57,359
go home and look in the mirror. Yeah, yeah, like

1317
01:09:57,279 --> 01:09:59,479
like he sees them acting like that, Like, Okay, it's

1318
01:09:59,479 --> 01:10:01,399
okay if I do it. But you guys know way,

1319
01:10:01,439 --> 01:10:02,520
I'm not sticking around this.

1320
01:10:04,119 --> 01:10:07,680
Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, I know this isn't your favorite part here,

1321
01:10:07,720 --> 01:10:12,119
but I just want to mention this is something that

1322
01:10:12,319 --> 01:10:14,960
I can't recall of ever happening before. I'm sure there

1323
01:10:14,960 --> 01:10:17,920
have been instances where we actually have one of the

1324
01:10:18,159 --> 01:10:21,119
sound designers get credited as part of the music. I

1325
01:10:21,199 --> 01:10:24,960
know sometimes they've helped do certain things with John, but

1326
01:10:25,359 --> 01:10:27,439
to actually be listed in the credits, I think this

1327
01:10:27,600 --> 01:10:30,359
is something that I can't recall having happened before. But

1328
01:10:30,880 --> 01:10:34,600
it is interesting that Nate Jones is actually credited here

1329
01:10:34,640 --> 01:10:38,960
because Nate is actually a guitarist himself, so he's an

1330
01:10:39,000 --> 01:10:43,159
accomplished musician. So he worked with John on all the

1331
01:10:43,560 --> 01:10:46,039
or not I shouldn't say all. I know at least

1332
01:10:46,039 --> 01:10:48,640
on some of the transitions in and out of those

1333
01:10:48,680 --> 01:10:51,439
scenes to and from the band.

1334
01:10:52,600 --> 01:10:56,600
Speaker 2: So on the next episode two right, yeah, yeah.

1335
01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:58,479
Speaker 1: So on both of these episodes. So kudos to Nate

1336
01:10:58,479 --> 01:11:03,039
to add a music credit to his name there.

1337
01:11:03,359 --> 01:11:06,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, that I think is a first for like somebody

1338
01:11:07,079 --> 01:11:09,439
having an extra credit to that point. The one thing

1339
01:11:09,479 --> 01:11:12,399
I can think similar is like sometimes the writers wills

1340
01:11:12,399 --> 01:11:14,359
to write some of the songs for like the musicals,

1341
01:11:14,359 --> 01:11:17,359
like and I fronted with like Odyssey sings, right. Phil

1342
01:11:17,399 --> 01:11:19,680
Lahler did that with Will Ryan for Ikey and Cat

1343
01:11:19,760 --> 01:11:23,199
and Balting Bones. I refused to sing it. I stopped

1344
01:11:23,199 --> 01:11:25,840
myself from I did not. I was not gonna sing it.

1345
01:11:26,439 --> 01:11:28,119
I have our time to do with that SubTime, but

1346
01:11:28,199 --> 01:11:30,359
you're welcome. It's not karaoke time.

1347
01:11:32,039 --> 01:11:35,000
Speaker 1: But you know, these two episodes are you know, kind

1348
01:11:35,000 --> 01:11:39,640
of like a really great example of foreshadowing and laying

1349
01:11:39,680 --> 01:11:42,920
out bread crumbs for all the pieces to come together.

1350
01:11:43,640 --> 01:11:46,640
You know, we have the band member's trickery that gets

1351
01:11:46,640 --> 01:11:50,199
referenced to at the beginning. We have Pamela's convention that

1352
01:11:50,279 --> 01:11:52,000
gets mentioned, and we have the rental car thing and

1353
01:11:52,039 --> 01:11:56,439
all these little seeds that are planted throughout and it

1354
01:11:56,479 --> 01:11:59,279
all comes together in a really nice way when we

1355
01:11:59,319 --> 01:12:04,119
get to facing the music. So another thing kind of interesting.

1356
01:12:04,279 --> 01:12:06,640
The only episode on the album that we have a

1357
01:12:06,640 --> 01:12:10,600
parental warning, and it's by Chris this time. So that's interesting.

1358
01:12:10,640 --> 01:12:13,479
And as we always say, when there's a parental warning.

1359
01:12:14,079 --> 01:12:17,439
It usually means it's going to be a pretty solid episode.

1360
01:12:18,600 --> 01:12:21,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, And there's a different kind of print of warning too,

1361
01:12:21,279 --> 01:12:26,159
which also too, I think this is back in painting

1362
01:12:26,199 --> 01:12:28,840
into a corner that it had a different Christian interest

1363
01:12:28,880 --> 01:12:31,399
and here comes another Adventures in Odyssey like it. It's

1364
01:12:31,439 --> 01:12:33,600
a different intro, really really quick for that, and then

1365
01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:35,960
this printal warning said it might be a good idea

1366
01:12:36,000 --> 01:12:37,720
to get your parents. Like I don't think they've ever

1367
01:12:37,760 --> 01:12:40,359
said it might be a good idea. It's like kids,

1368
01:12:40,359 --> 01:12:42,680
go get your parents or listen to you with your

1369
01:12:42,680 --> 01:12:45,479
parents or whatever. So you're like, oh, yeah, whatever.

1370
01:12:46,840 --> 01:12:47,079
Speaker 1: Yeah.

1371
01:12:47,079 --> 01:12:49,399
Speaker 2: But it was the interesting how there's a printal warning

1372
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:52,520
for this episode mainly because of the alcohol issue, but

1373
01:12:53,119 --> 01:12:56,279
there's other episodes like like twenty eight Hours with a

1374
01:12:56,319 --> 01:13:00,560
near fatal car crash and bomb explosion but no warnings

1375
01:13:00,600 --> 01:13:03,680
on it is like, okay, wow, that's a choice.

1376
01:13:04,760 --> 01:13:07,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know. I remember when I first heard it,

1377
01:13:07,880 --> 01:13:09,760
I was like, oh wow, I wonder what's coming up.

1378
01:13:10,119 --> 01:13:12,720
And then I was like, oh, okay, well that wasn't

1379
01:13:12,760 --> 01:13:16,479
all that that crazy. But I get why it was,

1380
01:13:16,640 --> 01:13:19,439
you know, for the alcohol use. But yeah, it was interesting.

1381
01:13:19,760 --> 01:13:23,520
I gotta say though, the opening queue of this episode.

1382
01:13:24,000 --> 01:13:26,600
It's really really good. I really liked the sound of it.

1383
01:13:27,319 --> 01:13:31,960
Speaker 2: Speaking of sounds, it's a very subtle thing, like if

1384
01:13:31,960 --> 01:13:34,239
you hadn't heard any episodes before this, and if you

1385
01:13:34,239 --> 01:13:36,520
know what a grudge band is and where they usually perform.

1386
01:13:36,920 --> 01:13:39,079
But I think at the the beginning of the first

1387
01:13:39,119 --> 01:13:41,279
scene they kind of finish up and then you hear

1388
01:13:42,000 --> 01:13:44,720
the garage door going up, like you don't even they

1389
01:13:44,760 --> 01:13:46,640
don't mention it, they just have it go up Like

1390
01:13:47,119 --> 01:13:50,359
that is such an awesome way of setting the scene,

1391
01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:52,920
like scene dressing or props or whatever for like the

1392
01:13:52,960 --> 01:13:56,880
sound where these people are without saying outright, not using

1393
01:13:56,920 --> 01:13:59,640
wooden dialogue, and also too like you know, I guess

1394
01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:02,119
you know again, you know, don't want to disturb the

1395
01:14:02,159 --> 01:14:04,640
neighborhood or need fresh air or something like that, Like

1396
01:14:04,920 --> 01:14:06,720
you don't need to point out, oh, hey, can you

1397
01:14:06,760 --> 01:14:09,359
open the grudge door? Sure, and then you know, they

1398
01:14:09,439 --> 01:14:11,880
just open it and then you're like the band playing

1399
01:14:11,920 --> 01:14:14,479
a grudge band, they're playing in a garage. It was

1400
01:14:15,079 --> 01:14:17,000
very subtle, but I really like that.

1401
01:14:17,079 --> 01:14:19,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm so glad you mentioned that because I definitely

1402
01:14:19,960 --> 01:14:22,079
picked up on that too, and I meant to mention

1403
01:14:22,159 --> 01:14:25,039
it and I forgot. But yeah, and not only is

1404
01:14:25,079 --> 01:14:28,920
there that sound, but the sound of the room changes

1405
01:14:28,960 --> 01:14:32,479
a little bit as the door comes up, so it's

1406
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:37,640
it's not as boxy because there's more ambient sound outside.

1407
01:14:37,840 --> 01:14:40,520
And yeah, it just you're right, it's a it's a

1408
01:14:40,600 --> 01:14:43,920
really small it's a subtle thing, but it's just those

1409
01:14:43,920 --> 01:14:48,680
details that just make it feel so genuine and authentic.

1410
01:14:48,720 --> 01:14:51,479
And it was a great, great little addition.

1411
01:14:51,960 --> 01:14:53,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, kudos to Nate Jones on that.

1412
01:14:53,760 --> 01:14:58,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, with that warning on it, maybe you

1413
01:14:58,439 --> 01:15:01,560
know you're you're first listening to it, and we have

1414
01:15:01,680 --> 01:15:04,760
Connie come storming up and just grabs jewels and rushes

1415
01:15:04,800 --> 01:15:07,319
off and then she just drops her off and drives away,

1416
01:15:07,359 --> 01:15:09,840
and like, Okay, this is what the warning is about.

1417
01:15:09,960 --> 01:15:13,680
Connie's just flipped her lid. She's just dropped her sister

1418
01:15:13,760 --> 01:15:15,239
off at the lake and just went off to the

1419
01:15:15,319 --> 01:15:17,079
left her and like you gotta walk back or something.

1420
01:15:17,399 --> 01:15:19,520
It's like, what in the world is Connie doing?

1421
01:15:20,800 --> 01:15:22,239
Speaker 2: This is gonna be a survival show?

1422
01:15:22,479 --> 01:15:26,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, but it was not that, thankfully.

1423
01:15:28,439 --> 01:15:31,039
Speaker 2: I kind of guess that it had to do with Buck.

1424
01:15:31,479 --> 01:15:33,640
At first. I was wondering I think by the beginning

1425
01:15:33,680 --> 01:15:35,600
of the of the second scene. I think it was

1426
01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:38,479
I had picked up Oh yeah, it's probably surprised with

1427
01:15:38,560 --> 01:15:40,359
Buck being there, but also at the same time too,

1428
01:15:41,000 --> 01:15:43,000
like how much of it was her kind of over

1429
01:15:43,000 --> 01:15:47,079
reacting or kind of making misdirect from what she was,

1430
01:15:47,600 --> 01:15:50,079
you know, bringing jewels to see Buck, and how much

1431
01:15:50,079 --> 01:15:52,439
of it was like her, I really don't like them

1432
01:15:52,479 --> 01:15:52,960
being together.

1433
01:15:53,560 --> 01:15:54,840
Speaker 1: Oh, it's probably both for sure.

1434
01:15:56,119 --> 01:15:59,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, And she kept a secret like she was trying,

1435
01:15:59,039 --> 01:16:01,439
like I Am not gonna do it, like she's told

1436
01:16:01,479 --> 01:16:03,800
so many secrets in the past. Yeah, kudos to her

1437
01:16:03,840 --> 01:16:04,640
for keeping the secret.

1438
01:16:05,239 --> 01:16:07,760
Speaker 1: And she said that to Jillian too, I'm getting better

1439
01:16:07,800 --> 01:16:09,840
at keeping secrets or something like that.

1440
01:16:10,039 --> 01:16:13,000
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, like my life depends on it. Connie.

1441
01:16:13,079 --> 01:16:17,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, and that was interesting. I for some reason, it

1442
01:16:17,840 --> 01:16:20,760
totally caught me by surprise that it was a meeting

1443
01:16:20,760 --> 01:16:26,600
with Buck. But she was great. And again I said earlier,

1444
01:16:27,720 --> 01:16:30,399
as the whole thing with Buck and Jules was first

1445
01:16:30,720 --> 01:16:34,079
sort of starting to take shape, it wasn't my favorite thing.

1446
01:16:34,800 --> 01:16:38,199
And I'm I'm totally with her there just as she's

1447
01:16:38,319 --> 01:16:41,359
trying to talk through this, like what do I do here?

1448
01:16:41,479 --> 01:16:43,880
Like I don't really care for this, I don't even

1449
01:16:43,960 --> 01:16:46,359
want them to be in a relationship, she says. But

1450
01:16:46,960 --> 01:16:50,920
for once, Jillian actually gave her some pretty solid things

1451
01:16:50,920 --> 01:16:54,079
to think about there. She said, well, at least you

1452
01:16:54,159 --> 01:16:54,840
know where they are.

1453
01:16:55,920 --> 01:16:58,199
Speaker 2: Yeah, it makes a lot easier for when she's not

1454
01:16:58,439 --> 01:16:59,880
trying to do it as dizzy Julian.

1455
01:17:00,239 --> 01:17:04,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, well that scene in the in the garage there

1456
01:17:04,640 --> 01:17:07,399
were where Buck meets the band, it was like, man,

1457
01:17:07,880 --> 01:17:11,359
the tension there was so palpable. It's like you could

1458
01:17:11,479 --> 01:17:15,479
feel the awkwardness. I was like, man, these they every

1459
01:17:15,479 --> 01:17:17,119
one of these guys are doing such a great job.

1460
01:17:17,119 --> 01:17:20,319
And of course the post production there is is taken

1461
01:17:20,359 --> 01:17:23,039
on a big part of that to making sure the

1462
01:17:23,439 --> 01:17:27,760
timing and the pacing of it all fits well. But yeah,

1463
01:17:27,880 --> 01:17:29,760
it was just it just came together really well, the

1464
01:17:30,279 --> 01:17:32,760
combination of their performances with the way that it was

1465
01:17:33,039 --> 01:17:37,119
all cut together. But yeah, it's like man, awkward.

1466
01:17:38,680 --> 01:17:41,439
Speaker 2: Yeah, and also too as the audience, like we don't

1467
01:17:41,479 --> 01:17:43,119
really like Gunner, like at the end of right and

1468
01:17:43,159 --> 01:17:45,439
it's wrong key, like he's like I do anything for you,

1469
01:17:45,520 --> 01:17:49,039
Like I don't like this guy. Yeah, not because I

1470
01:17:49,119 --> 01:17:51,920
want Buccan Jools to get together, but like Yeah, I

1471
01:17:51,920 --> 01:17:56,479
don't think this guy is even more not right for

1472
01:17:56,560 --> 01:17:58,800
Buck if I heard that makes sense.

1473
01:17:59,359 --> 01:18:02,279
Speaker 1: More not for jewels, not Buck right.

1474
01:18:02,520 --> 01:18:06,399
Speaker 2: Something like that, like, yeah, Bucks, I don't think Buck

1475
01:18:06,479 --> 01:18:08,960
is right for jewels, but I also think gunners even

1476
01:18:09,000 --> 01:18:11,520
more not right. I don't know double negatives and all that. Yeah,

1477
01:18:11,760 --> 01:18:12,560
that's my fault.

1478
01:18:13,640 --> 01:18:14,479
Speaker 1: I totally agree.

1479
01:18:14,560 --> 01:18:16,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're you're you're the wordsmith and the word expert,

1480
01:18:16,600 --> 01:18:19,920
so I'll I'll let you take this one since you

1481
01:18:19,960 --> 01:18:24,399
know more than I do. Julian had some really funny lines,

1482
01:18:24,399 --> 01:18:27,000
like when she's playing ditzy Jillian in front of Jewels,

1483
01:18:27,039 --> 01:18:29,479
like when Jeel's trendthing of an idea to surprise Buck,

1484
01:18:29,560 --> 01:18:30,840
like what is he like? And like, oh yeah, he

1485
01:18:30,920 --> 01:18:34,399
likes anything bacon and likes the Porsche and it likes

1486
01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:37,439
movies with explosions. And then Jillian later says, oh, we

1487
01:18:37,439 --> 01:18:41,159
can blow up a Porsche. It's like no, And then

1488
01:18:41,279 --> 01:18:42,880
I thinks she went to something else so we could

1489
01:18:42,880 --> 01:18:44,720
blow up with this or whatever. It's like, isn't your

1490
01:18:44,720 --> 01:18:48,159
suggestion something that's not a federal fence or something like that? Yeah,

1491
01:18:48,359 --> 01:18:50,000
And the later she comes up with like actually bake

1492
01:18:50,039 --> 01:18:52,800
and wrapping so many different food items, which sounded really good,

1493
01:18:53,439 --> 01:18:55,880
except for like the raspberry thing.

1494
01:18:56,319 --> 01:18:59,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, that would be a little interesting, or at least

1495
01:18:59,479 --> 01:19:04,880
she she did suggest like grilling and bacon wrapping giraffe

1496
01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:05,800
or something like that.

1497
01:19:07,560 --> 01:19:11,399
Speaker 2: Yeah, that'd be going too far. But it's fun too,

1498
01:19:11,520 --> 01:19:15,159
like having her and Connie, like you know, doing the investigating,

1499
01:19:15,239 --> 01:19:18,199
like checking out who running the car. It was a

1500
01:19:18,279 --> 01:19:20,880
kind of fun mystery, Like it's kind of again like

1501
01:19:20,920 --> 01:19:24,000
you mentioned, like sets set up in the last episode

1502
01:19:24,520 --> 01:19:26,560
and you can kind of be kind of guess who

1503
01:19:26,640 --> 01:19:29,640
might have it been. But having the characters walk through

1504
01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:33,119
this and finding out the exact reasons or like exact

1505
01:19:33,159 --> 01:19:35,640
how this thing happened and things like that was fun

1506
01:19:35,680 --> 01:19:37,920
and also kind of like I love Nightmares by Constance.

1507
01:19:37,960 --> 01:19:39,960
I love the episode where like Chilian before we knew

1508
01:19:39,960 --> 01:19:42,039
she was a secret agent, was like acting that way

1509
01:19:42,039 --> 01:19:44,960
helping Jason, but this she was still acting DITZI. But

1510
01:19:45,079 --> 01:19:47,479
Connie didn't do a whole lot, but you know, she's

1511
01:19:47,479 --> 01:19:49,399
still able to get the information out and like she can.

1512
01:19:49,640 --> 01:19:51,600
She's a good agent, whether she's you know, playing like

1513
01:19:51,640 --> 01:19:53,319
she's smart or dit Sie.

1514
01:19:53,760 --> 01:19:56,439
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, and it kind of made me think I

1515
01:19:56,479 --> 01:20:00,319
was listening to a podcast recently for writers, and they

1516
01:20:00,319 --> 01:20:03,560
were talking about how the use of different points of

1517
01:20:03,680 --> 01:20:08,960
view can help you share certain things with the reader

1518
01:20:09,439 --> 01:20:12,680
that even your main character doesn't know because they don't

1519
01:20:12,720 --> 01:20:16,479
have the context of all these other povs. And so

1520
01:20:16,640 --> 01:20:19,159
that's exactly what they did here. That's what Kathy did

1521
01:20:19,159 --> 01:20:22,920
with this episode, is we heard all those other things

1522
01:20:22,920 --> 01:20:25,800
that the band was bragging about that they did at

1523
01:20:25,840 --> 01:20:29,720
the beginning of the episode, but Connie didn't know those

1524
01:20:29,800 --> 01:20:33,920
and Angelian didn't know those. Then whenever we see these

1525
01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:35,880
other things that have happened, then of course we get

1526
01:20:35,880 --> 01:20:37,680
to put it all together. But they're still trying to

1527
01:20:37,680 --> 01:20:41,039
figure it out, so it's kind of fun. Now. Of course,

1528
01:20:41,560 --> 01:20:44,800
you could overdo that where it's like the listener loses

1529
01:20:44,840 --> 01:20:47,359
interest because they already know where things are going, But

1530
01:20:47,479 --> 01:20:49,279
I don't think that was the case here in this episode.

1531
01:20:49,279 --> 01:20:51,279
I think she did it. It was the perfect balance

1532
01:20:51,319 --> 01:20:55,760
of we're getting to watch Gillian and Connie kind of

1533
01:20:56,640 --> 01:21:00,479
uncover things that we are already sort of suspecting. But yeah,

1534
01:21:00,600 --> 01:21:01,359
it was done well.

1535
01:21:01,920 --> 01:21:05,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, and I really liked you know, talking about you know,

1536
01:21:05,239 --> 01:21:07,720
the band members using alcohol that kind of stuff, and jewels,

1537
01:21:07,720 --> 01:21:10,880
talking about her dad, which you know, Bill Kendall, we

1538
01:21:10,920 --> 01:21:14,119
haven't heard that aspect for a while actually since Psycher

1539
01:21:14,159 --> 01:21:16,079
first episode. Like I think there is mention of it

1540
01:21:16,159 --> 01:21:19,680
in Life Expectancy, but we get a little more about

1541
01:21:19,680 --> 01:21:22,159
her history, Like she said, it's en her relationship with

1542
01:21:22,239 --> 01:21:26,439
her mom and herself, so we know why jan I

1543
01:21:26,439 --> 01:21:29,640
think it is Jules's mom, So we kind of know why.

1544
01:21:29,960 --> 01:21:31,680
I mean you might have kind of guessed it because

1545
01:21:31,880 --> 01:21:35,880
you know, he doesn't change, he doesn't get redeemed in

1546
01:21:35,920 --> 01:21:38,600
his character. So but it was it was nice hearing

1547
01:21:38,640 --> 01:21:41,399
Jewels say that and kind of saying that and again

1548
01:21:41,520 --> 01:21:45,279
bringing out like how alcohol destroys lives, and also it

1549
01:21:45,399 --> 01:21:47,119
kind of shows like the pure pressure like yeah, I'm

1550
01:21:47,119 --> 01:21:49,279
not part of that, Like she mentions kind of a

1551
01:21:49,319 --> 01:21:51,239
buck kind of later, like the thing is you hang

1552
01:21:51,279 --> 01:21:53,800
around people that do that long enough, and then the

1553
01:21:53,840 --> 01:21:56,720
stuff that was repulsive to you can become you know,

1554
01:21:57,079 --> 01:22:00,800
like you start was it. There's a lines quotes about

1555
01:22:00,880 --> 01:22:03,359
you know, you soon accept the things that you first

1556
01:22:03,439 --> 01:22:05,880
tolerate or something like that, me tolerate being around it,

1557
01:22:05,920 --> 01:22:09,319
and then you actually endorse that or partic of it yourself.

1558
01:22:09,560 --> 01:22:12,960
Speaker 1: M yeah, yeah, and and well what a way to

1559
01:22:13,039 --> 01:22:16,119
wrap up the album like and it shows again how

1560
01:22:16,159 --> 01:22:19,720
this was part of the plan all along, and not

1561
01:22:20,000 --> 01:22:23,840
just in these two episodes, but even going way back.

1562
01:22:23,960 --> 01:22:28,199
All these different things that have been these breadcrumbs that

1563
01:22:28,199 --> 01:22:31,720
have been have been laid this trail, and frankly, this

1564
01:22:31,760 --> 01:22:34,159
is this is how it needed to play out with

1565
01:22:33,880 --> 01:22:37,399
the breakup, I think, and it's it's again one of

1566
01:22:37,399 --> 01:22:40,760
those moments where it's it's not enjoyable to hear that happen, right, Like,

1567
01:22:41,039 --> 01:22:45,399
you don't enjoy hearing because you care about these characters,

1568
01:22:45,439 --> 01:22:48,600
both of them. You know, they may be making mistakes,

1569
01:22:48,920 --> 01:22:51,760
they have their own things that they're facing, their problems

1570
01:22:51,760 --> 01:22:55,880
that they're going through and trying to figure out life,

1571
01:22:56,840 --> 01:23:00,359
both buck and Jewels. But it is the way that

1572
01:23:00,439 --> 01:23:03,520
it needed to go. And I think it was a

1573
01:23:03,520 --> 01:23:06,960
good move that they had Chris in the episode by

1574
01:23:07,000 --> 01:23:10,680
saying this is not the end. Basically not in so

1575
01:23:10,680 --> 01:23:13,039
many words, but she was basically saying, this is not

1576
01:23:13,079 --> 01:23:16,680
how we're gonna leave things. But because it ends on

1577
01:23:16,840 --> 01:23:20,079
such a dramatic, kind of heart wrenching moment, because I

1578
01:23:20,119 --> 01:23:22,199
know a lot of the fan base were like totally

1579
01:23:22,239 --> 01:23:26,720
on board for Buckles, but I think it was a

1580
01:23:26,720 --> 01:23:28,920
good move for them to have Chris make that little

1581
01:23:29,000 --> 01:23:29,600
comment there.

1582
01:23:30,600 --> 01:23:32,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was. I'm probably the only I had this

1583
01:23:32,920 --> 01:23:40,199
of my notes Yay they broke up. H Sorry, I

1584
01:23:40,319 --> 01:23:42,279
probably I did not tie that right, like, oh, man,

1585
01:23:42,279 --> 01:23:43,920
he's in a store of water out of his nose?

1586
01:23:44,000 --> 01:23:45,319
Speaker 1: Is he.

1587
01:23:47,279 --> 01:23:49,000
Speaker 2: Sorry? I don't want you to invest up your computer.

1588
01:23:50,159 --> 01:23:52,319
Speaker 1: I managed to keep it, keep it in.

1589
01:23:52,399 --> 01:23:58,079
Speaker 2: So I was probably among the few people that was

1590
01:23:58,079 --> 01:24:00,000
feeling this way because I was not one of the people.

1591
01:24:00,159 --> 01:24:02,760
I was rejoicing that they got together now seventy four,

1592
01:24:02,800 --> 01:24:05,239
which at the end of that album kicking in my heart.

1593
01:24:06,000 --> 01:24:08,000
And I'm sure that a lot of fans are like, oh, yay,

1594
01:24:08,000 --> 01:24:10,760
they're finally making it official. For me, its like I

1595
01:24:10,840 --> 01:24:12,640
never thought it was a good idea for them to

1596
01:24:12,680 --> 01:24:14,800
be a couple. Yeah, so I was kind of excited,

1597
01:24:14,880 --> 01:24:18,079
like I wasn't taken like a fiendish pleasure in other

1598
01:24:18,119 --> 01:24:21,720
people's disappointment and things like that. But like you mentioned,

1599
01:24:21,840 --> 01:24:24,359
it felt earned like this needed to happen. And I

1600
01:24:24,359 --> 01:24:27,119
think they mentioned the official podcast after this episode came out,

1601
01:24:27,239 --> 01:24:29,079
is that they've planned to have them break up all

1602
01:24:29,119 --> 01:24:30,840
this all this time, which made me feel a lot

1603
01:24:30,880 --> 01:24:34,199
better about it. Yeah, And that's another thing too, where

1604
01:24:34,199 --> 01:24:37,560
like I may not always know where the story is going,

1605
01:24:38,279 --> 01:24:41,000
and sometimes it can be easy to criticize it in

1606
01:24:41,039 --> 01:24:44,359
the moment, but if the writers have a long term

1607
01:24:44,399 --> 01:24:48,199
goal in mind for the character, it works. But that

1608
01:24:48,199 --> 01:24:51,000
it's always happened. Sometimes some of the writers make up

1609
01:24:51,000 --> 01:24:53,359
stuff as they go along, or they change a vision

1610
01:24:53,439 --> 01:24:55,359
or there's no vision to begin with, and then it's

1611
01:24:55,479 --> 01:24:58,239
kind of messy. But with this, I felt, you know,

1612
01:24:58,319 --> 01:25:01,640
all this time again, like bucks life, like trusts a

1613
01:25:01,720 --> 01:25:04,159
major thing for him, having to trust people and living

1614
01:25:04,199 --> 01:25:06,600
the conartist's life and things like that, and then Jules

1615
01:25:06,640 --> 01:25:09,079
with her constantly pulling herself down and other people around

1616
01:25:09,079 --> 01:25:12,319
with her, and Buck finally saying like I don't want

1617
01:25:12,319 --> 01:25:13,640
to be a part of this, like, you know, you

1618
01:25:13,680 --> 01:25:16,600
broke my trust with that, and I've you know, mentioned

1619
01:25:16,600 --> 01:25:19,439
this in the past, to know other people to mention

1620
01:25:19,520 --> 01:25:21,840
like Jules is just not good for Buck because she

1621
01:25:21,960 --> 01:25:24,840
keeps kind of getting him in trouble as well getting

1622
01:25:24,880 --> 01:25:27,159
herself in trouble. And that I was really glad that

1623
01:25:27,319 --> 01:25:30,680
Buck had the courage enough, Like I felt bad for

1624
01:25:30,760 --> 01:25:34,880
him as a character, but I felt really good that

1625
01:25:35,239 --> 01:25:37,520
he you know, made that tough decision to do that.

1626
01:25:38,000 --> 01:25:42,039
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Like I said it, it was something that

1627
01:25:42,079 --> 01:25:44,640
needed to happen, and I'm with you on that. I

1628
01:25:44,720 --> 01:25:47,960
was not on board for that to begin with, though

1629
01:25:48,399 --> 01:25:51,680
after it happened, there were some fun moments that happened throughout,

1630
01:25:51,800 --> 01:25:53,640
you know, with those characters that I you know, I

1631
01:25:53,760 --> 01:25:57,600
enjoyed some of the interactions with them, and they did

1632
01:25:57,680 --> 01:25:59,760
have some neat moments and stuff like that. But still

1633
01:26:00,319 --> 01:26:02,479
it wasn't my favorite thing. And I was with Connie

1634
01:26:02,560 --> 01:26:04,840
the whole time when she was just like, I'm not

1635
01:26:04,880 --> 01:26:08,039
really crazy about this. So I am glad it played

1636
01:26:08,079 --> 01:26:11,319
out that way. I wasn't really in a state of

1637
01:26:11,800 --> 01:26:15,159
experience any shot and Freda, but like you were, but

1638
01:26:17,319 --> 01:26:20,720
I did think that it was the right course of

1639
01:26:20,760 --> 01:26:23,359
action and so but the only thing is, it's like

1640
01:26:23,479 --> 01:26:26,399
that is a crazy way to end the album, but

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01:26:26,600 --> 01:26:28,479
we're not going to get into what happens in the

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01:26:28,520 --> 01:26:32,439
next one, even though we've both heard that. But overall,

1643
01:26:33,039 --> 01:26:36,760
a pretty solid album. First couple episodes weren't my favorite,

1644
01:26:36,920 --> 01:26:40,720
though I still think they're pretty decent. But I quite

1645
01:26:40,800 --> 01:26:42,520
enjoyed this, and I think you had a really good

1646
01:26:42,600 --> 01:26:47,479
point as we wrap this up about making Nice being

1647
01:26:47,600 --> 01:26:51,000
a really good sort of stopping point in the middle.

1648
01:26:51,039 --> 01:26:54,199
It's completely self contained. Even though the first two also

1649
01:26:54,319 --> 01:26:56,760
can sort of stand alone, they are dependent on having

1650
01:26:56,840 --> 01:27:02,159
that context of Renee prior and Wooden's relationship with his

1651
01:27:02,279 --> 01:27:05,199
parents and all that stuff back context for the second episode.

1652
01:27:05,680 --> 01:27:10,880
But the third one really does completely stand alone, and

1653
01:27:10,880 --> 01:27:13,000
I like it when we have those episodes where we're

1654
01:27:13,039 --> 01:27:18,079
not necessarily depending on continuing an arc or wrapping up

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01:27:18,119 --> 01:27:22,399
a thread or something. So it's a pretty solid album

1656
01:27:22,399 --> 01:27:25,199
and it's pretty good, kind of good balance to it.

1657
01:27:25,239 --> 01:27:29,239
There's some humor, there's some heart, there's some some more

1658
01:27:29,319 --> 01:27:31,920
dramatic moments and some slower moments.

1659
01:27:32,560 --> 01:27:35,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, this album. I would compare this a little bit

1660
01:27:35,319 --> 01:27:38,720
to album sixty nine and seventy because Album seventy six

1661
01:27:38,800 --> 01:27:40,600
I did not really like the album quite a bit

1662
01:27:41,119 --> 01:27:44,680
with the Rodell story, and then with Jewels, I like

1663
01:27:44,760 --> 01:27:47,479
kind of like the Buck two parter. That's like the

1664
01:27:47,520 --> 01:27:49,720
one thing I kind of liked, but I felt like

1665
01:27:49,760 --> 01:27:52,039
I did after Album sixty nine with that, But then

1666
01:27:52,079 --> 01:27:54,319
album seventy came along, like, man, this is so great,

1667
01:27:55,000 --> 01:27:57,119
and there's another thing to I kind of want to

1668
01:27:57,119 --> 01:27:59,840
reiterate like there are times, like I mentioned earlier, like

1669
01:28:00,359 --> 01:28:03,760
we not know where the storyline's going, like don't jump out,

1670
01:28:03,800 --> 01:28:06,359
don't jump out of the boat yet because you know

1671
01:28:06,399 --> 01:28:09,279
the next thing that comes up, may you know, give

1672
01:28:09,279 --> 01:28:13,520
you a different viewpoint or appreciate the journey that brought

1673
01:28:13,520 --> 01:28:15,760
it to that point. And you know, this album I

1674
01:28:15,840 --> 01:28:20,079
really enjoyed because it did great things with the characters. Again,

1675
01:28:20,119 --> 01:28:23,279
like the Jane and Zoe thing, big thing probably next

1676
01:28:23,279 --> 01:28:25,800
to Rydell. That was like the biggest issues I had

1677
01:28:25,840 --> 01:28:28,800
with Odyssey, with the characters, with kind of the storyline

1678
01:28:28,800 --> 01:28:31,199
progressions and things like that. So I'm glad that was

1679
01:28:31,239 --> 01:28:34,279
resolved there. And again like with Buck and Jewel's breaking

1680
01:28:34,359 --> 01:28:37,920
up and finally come to a literal breaking point breaking up,

1681
01:28:38,000 --> 01:28:41,439
and you know, that breaking point for Buck and then

1682
01:28:41,760 --> 01:28:43,960
you know sets up things for stuff in the future.

1683
01:28:44,600 --> 01:28:47,960
And then with the Renee it's not like an absolutely

1684
01:28:48,119 --> 01:28:50,960
necessary episode, but for those that only know Renee in

1685
01:28:50,960 --> 01:28:53,439
the mainstream albums I haven't heard the club, it's it

1686
01:28:53,479 --> 01:28:55,680
is quite necessary to kind of see where she's coming

1687
01:28:55,680 --> 01:28:58,680
from and what was been teaching her before they heard her,

1688
01:28:58,720 --> 01:29:00,640
like on the radio on the CDs, and like that,

1689
01:29:01,560 --> 01:29:04,800
and there was like a good, really good balance, and

1690
01:29:04,800 --> 01:29:06,720
I think that's helpful too, because a lot of times

1691
01:29:06,760 --> 01:29:08,520
you have a lot of multipartners. Again, like the last

1692
01:29:08,520 --> 01:29:10,760
two is kind of a multi part but having so

1693
01:29:10,800 --> 01:29:14,319
many like different kinds of episodes with like some more comedic,

1694
01:29:14,359 --> 01:29:16,880
but some kind of heartfelt and some more I guess,

1695
01:29:17,039 --> 01:29:20,399
uh more theology and things like that. Like I think

1696
01:29:20,399 --> 01:29:22,479
it's a really good mix of episodes in this album,

1697
01:29:22,520 --> 01:29:25,039
and pretty much all of them I enjoyed quite a bit.

1698
01:29:25,079 --> 01:29:26,760
Like I had some you know, issues like with the

1699
01:29:26,840 --> 01:29:29,199
music stuff in the Jewels episodes, but I really appreciate

1700
01:29:29,199 --> 01:29:31,920
the storyline and the topics they addressed there, and then

1701
01:29:32,720 --> 01:29:34,479
like that making nice even it was a fun episode,

1702
01:29:34,479 --> 01:29:37,479
funny episode, but great message with that, and again happens

1703
01:29:37,479 --> 01:29:41,239
to declare like some great apologetics and things like that

1704
01:29:41,319 --> 01:29:44,399
as well. And yeah, so it's very much like that

1705
01:29:44,439 --> 01:29:47,600
album sixty nine, album seventy. I was like, ugh, I

1706
01:29:47,600 --> 01:29:49,920
don't evenly like this album that much, like Nike me

1707
01:29:50,000 --> 01:29:52,880
not as feel as great about the future of auditsy episodes,

1708
01:29:52,880 --> 01:29:54,000
And then I get the next album, like, oh wait,

1709
01:29:54,000 --> 01:29:56,720
I actually like this, Like it's a roller coaster in

1710
01:29:56,760 --> 01:29:58,920
some cases, but like you know, just because you don't

1711
01:29:58,960 --> 01:30:00,760
like this, like I don't like it's one er, I

1712
01:30:00,800 --> 01:30:02,159
don't feel like it's going in the right direction. Like

1713
01:30:02,640 --> 01:30:06,239
Chris says, keep listening. Yeah, things are going to get better.

1714
01:30:06,760 --> 01:30:08,680
You're gonna have a different perspective as things go on,

1715
01:30:08,760 --> 01:30:10,920
and you you're gonna miss some really great episodes if

1716
01:30:11,239 --> 01:30:12,239
you be able out too soon.

1717
01:30:12,840 --> 01:30:16,399
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, good points. And just a final note here,

1718
01:30:16,439 --> 01:30:18,640
I mean, I know that the writers don't always choose

1719
01:30:18,720 --> 01:30:22,600
the titles. Sometimes that's a group kind of thing where

1720
01:30:22,640 --> 01:30:25,600
a lot of people have input, or Nathan Hubler pulls

1721
01:30:25,720 --> 01:30:27,600
a great idea out of his hat or something like that.

1722
01:30:27,680 --> 01:30:30,880
But I think the titles for the last two are

1723
01:30:30,920 --> 01:30:33,600
just like great. I mean, Facing the Music, I mean

1724
01:30:33,640 --> 01:30:38,640
that's that's a perfect title for what happens double meaning exactly. Yeah,

1725
01:30:38,720 --> 01:30:42,039
and even Unmanageable, which is more of a play on words,

1726
01:30:42,079 --> 01:30:46,319
more of a pun there. But I thought those were

1727
01:30:46,399 --> 01:30:50,760
really solid episode titles too. So overall, a really good

1728
01:30:51,319 --> 01:30:54,880
adventures Natus the album number seventy seven a new perspective.

1729
01:30:55,359 --> 01:30:57,600
And while we're talking about titles, I mean, I think

1730
01:30:57,640 --> 01:30:59,720
that's a pretty apt title for the album as well.

1731
01:31:00,359 --> 01:31:03,079
So any final thoughts or are we good to go?

1732
01:31:03,439 --> 01:31:05,319
Speaker 2: I think that's it. It's been a lot of fun.

1733
01:31:05,399 --> 01:31:08,520
Always always love talking with you JD, and love talking about.

1734
01:31:08,279 --> 01:31:12,000
Speaker 1: Odyssey absolutely so as always links in the show notes.

1735
01:31:12,000 --> 01:31:14,279
If you want to go grab your copy, you won't

1736
01:31:14,279 --> 01:31:16,680
be able to do that for much longer. There's only

1737
01:31:16,720 --> 01:31:18,279
a couple of other albums you'll be able to do

1738
01:31:18,319 --> 01:31:20,760
that with. But if you want to grab a copy

1739
01:31:20,920 --> 01:31:23,560
while the CDs are still available, if they are when

1740
01:31:23,600 --> 01:31:28,119
you listen to this, you can do that. But it's

1741
01:31:28,119 --> 01:31:31,560
always a great time talking about Adventures and Odyssey on

1742
01:31:31,640 --> 01:31:34,640
the show in general. But it's always fun talking about

1743
01:31:34,640 --> 01:31:37,800
it with the Odyssey geeks, so always fun.

1744
01:31:38,079 --> 01:31:38,800
Speaker 2: Appreciate it.

1745
01:31:39,159 --> 01:31:42,640
Speaker 1: Thanks for being here, my pleasure. Let's see what do.

1746
01:31:42,720 --> 01:31:45,920
Speaker 2: We have in the mailbag? It looks like letters or something.

1747
01:31:47,199 --> 01:31:50,239
Speaker 1: Is that your phone? Yeah?

1748
01:31:51,560 --> 01:31:54,880
Speaker 2: Hello, I just sent you a text. You've got tons

1749
01:31:54,920 --> 01:31:58,359
of comments on that entry. You're like famous, Oh, let

1750
01:31:58,359 --> 01:31:59,479
me get to these comments.

1751
01:32:00,439 --> 01:32:04,640
Speaker 1: What number? Why are you calling? Always enjoy getting to

1752
01:32:04,640 --> 01:32:06,720
hear from our listeners, so thank you so much for

1753
01:32:06,760 --> 01:32:09,840
sending in your feedback. You can email us feedback at

1754
01:32:09,840 --> 01:32:13,199
audiotheatercentral dot com. You can always comment on the show notes,

1755
01:32:13,319 --> 01:32:16,039
or send your texts or leave a voicemail at six

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01:32:16,159 --> 01:32:20,560
two three six eight eight two seven seven zero again

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01:32:20,960 --> 01:32:24,960
six two three six eight eight two seven seven zero.

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01:32:26,039 --> 01:32:29,640
Now you can also comment on Spotify. That is an option,

1759
01:32:29,920 --> 01:32:32,319
though it doesn't make it to me as frequently as

1760
01:32:32,359 --> 01:32:35,800
these direct methods. But we got to comment on our

1761
01:32:35,880 --> 01:32:39,199
last episode ATC two two five, where we talked about

1762
01:32:39,720 --> 01:32:44,079
the new artwork for Adventures in Odyssey and the program

1763
01:32:44,119 --> 01:32:47,039
to bring Odyssey scripts to the stage with Madeline Ware.

1764
01:32:47,359 --> 01:32:49,800
Oh by the way, while I'm talking about it, thank

1765
01:32:49,840 --> 01:32:51,640
you so much for all of you who reached out

1766
01:32:51,640 --> 01:32:55,039
to her and are interested in putting on an AIO

1767
01:32:55,079 --> 01:32:58,479
theater show. I'm excited about that. Madeline said she got

1768
01:32:58,520 --> 01:33:01,520
some really great contact, So thank you so much for

1769
01:33:01,560 --> 01:33:04,199
reaching out to her. And if you missed that episode,

1770
01:33:04,640 --> 01:33:08,319
pop back and listen to it. It's a great one. Anyway,

1771
01:33:08,399 --> 01:33:13,000
back to this comment, this user's name is Zippy Jams subtybes.

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01:33:14,359 --> 01:33:16,159
I'm sorry, I can't even say it with a straight face.

1773
01:33:17,319 --> 01:33:21,520
Epic user name. Oh my goodness. Anyway, they said, I

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01:33:21,560 --> 01:33:23,960
love the new designs, but I don't like the use

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01:33:24,000 --> 01:33:26,279
of AI assistance in a lot of the episode art

1776
01:33:26,319 --> 01:33:30,399
they are adding. Now, just to be straight, I don't

1777
01:33:30,399 --> 01:33:32,840
really use the AIO Club all that much, so I

1778
01:33:32,840 --> 01:33:35,720
don't log in super frequently, so I hadn't seen a

1779
01:33:35,760 --> 01:33:38,319
lot of this. But apparently what's going on is they're

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01:33:38,359 --> 01:33:42,920
going back and they're adding individual episode art to a

1781
01:33:42,920 --> 01:33:47,680
lot of the previous episodes. I'm not sure why that is,

1782
01:33:48,199 --> 01:33:51,720
but apparently they're using the actual character designs and adding

1783
01:33:51,760 --> 01:33:55,600
some AI generated backgrounds or something. I don't know exactly

1784
01:33:55,760 --> 01:33:58,520
what's going on there. I'm not sure how I feel

1785
01:33:58,560 --> 01:34:01,760
about it. I can understand where people are coming from

1786
01:34:01,800 --> 01:34:06,840
not caring for that usage. I don't know. It's a

1787
01:34:06,840 --> 01:34:10,239
tough call. I mean, I know they're using character art

1788
01:34:10,319 --> 01:34:15,680
that they have had designed by artists, but yeah, I

1789
01:34:15,720 --> 01:34:17,359
don't know. I don't know how I feel about that.

1790
01:34:17,720 --> 01:34:20,119
It's a tough call, but I understand where you're coming from.

1791
01:34:20,279 --> 01:34:23,800
Zippy jams sometimes. But thank you so much for the comment,

1792
01:34:24,479 --> 01:34:27,359
and if you have thoughts on this, I'm definitely open

1793
01:34:27,399 --> 01:34:30,680
to hearing from you. All Right, now, this is a

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01:34:30,680 --> 01:34:32,920
long one, but this is also a comment in response

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01:34:33,000 --> 01:34:36,920
to our last episode, and this is from actor William

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01:34:36,960 --> 01:34:40,560
Chad Newsom, and he posted this he said the play

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01:34:40,560 --> 01:34:43,760
project is interesting. About four years ago, I wrote this

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01:34:43,880 --> 01:34:47,600
on the EIO fan club Facebook page and he pasted

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01:34:47,760 --> 01:34:51,840
in his previous comment and it says, after the days

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01:34:51,840 --> 01:34:55,279
of the first Arthurian stories, men of later generations wrote

1801
01:34:55,319 --> 01:34:59,399
new ones. Same with Saint George Beowulf, Sir Gawayne, Robin Hood,

1802
01:34:59,439 --> 01:35:04,399
Sherlock Holmes, Zoro, the Lone Ranger, the Shadow, and Doc Savage.

1803
01:35:04,600 --> 01:35:07,000
Just so, if we begin to think of Adventures Odyssey

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01:35:07,119 --> 01:35:10,680
as more than just a timeless Christian kids story franchise

1805
01:35:11,159 --> 01:35:15,119
and more like a late twentieth century American small town mythology,

1806
01:35:15,760 --> 01:35:19,720
then we can envision a longer, generation spanning life for

1807
01:35:19,800 --> 01:35:23,840
this Odyssean book of tales. I imagine the AIO team

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01:35:23,880 --> 01:35:26,439
has given some thought to the legacy of Odyssey and

1809
01:35:26,520 --> 01:35:29,760
what its future might be beyond their time. Will there

1810
01:35:29,760 --> 01:35:31,920
be new works in the late twenty first century, and

1811
01:35:31,960 --> 01:35:35,199
beyond what if focus on the family closes shop someday,

1812
01:35:35,840 --> 01:35:39,520
who will carry on the storytelling if anybody. Fan art

1813
01:35:39,560 --> 01:35:41,960
and fan fiction already exist, and there have been a

1814
01:35:42,000 --> 01:35:45,199
few times where Odyssey went beyond mere fiction to venture

1815
01:35:45,199 --> 01:35:47,640
a bit into the realm of literature, but what if

1816
01:35:47,640 --> 01:35:52,319
that became more normal. Imagine a world with Odyssey epic poetry,

1817
01:35:52,640 --> 01:35:58,800
Odyssey operas, Odyssey plays, Odyssey symphonies, Odyssey sculptures. The point is,

1818
01:35:59,119 --> 01:36:02,079
Adventures in Odyssey can have a much longer lifespan if

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01:36:02,079 --> 01:36:05,039
it's makers view it less as a show with episodes

1820
01:36:05,039 --> 01:36:08,359
and seasons destined to end when something more popular comes

1821
01:36:08,439 --> 01:36:11,159
along or when the funding runs out, and more as

1822
01:36:11,199 --> 01:36:14,600
a collection of tales with histories and legends and the

1823
01:36:14,600 --> 01:36:17,600
potential to grow and expand beyond this age of man.

1824
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And that was the end of his previous comment, and

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01:36:21,479 --> 01:36:25,159
he added this, this new project seems to indicate that

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01:36:25,199 --> 01:36:28,359
they are open to such things. So I thought that

1827
01:36:28,439 --> 01:36:31,640
was a really interesting idea, really interesting comment there from

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01:36:31,680 --> 01:36:36,000
William Chad Newsom. And yeah, it does seem that they

1829
01:36:36,039 --> 01:36:38,560
are open to that. And I think with the idea

1830
01:36:38,600 --> 01:36:44,439
of them venturing into the realm of movies, and obviously

1831
01:36:44,479 --> 01:36:48,359
they have multiple book series going on, so they are

1832
01:36:48,439 --> 01:36:51,760
obviously thinking about this and where the brand is going.

1833
01:36:52,039 --> 01:36:54,880
And that's the keyword. I think I mentioned this in

1834
01:36:54,920 --> 01:36:57,560
the last episode. They are thinking about this as a

1835
01:36:57,600 --> 01:37:01,800
brand and not just a show. So I'm cool with that.

1836
01:37:02,000 --> 01:37:05,319
I'm loving the adventures and Odyssey related books. You know,

1837
01:37:05,359 --> 01:37:09,680
the young wit and the blackered stuff, But I don't

1838
01:37:09,680 --> 01:37:12,319
want them to ever lose sight of where it started,

1839
01:37:12,319 --> 01:37:15,279
and I want the audio drama to always be a part.

1840
01:37:15,439 --> 01:37:19,560
That's just my personal preference. But thanks Chad for the comment.

1841
01:37:19,640 --> 01:37:21,920
Really appreciate that, and if you have any thoughts on this,

1842
01:37:22,560 --> 01:37:25,840
love to hear from you as well. Well. That's going

1843
01:37:25,880 --> 01:37:27,640
to do it for this episode. Thanks again to Austin

1844
01:37:27,680 --> 01:37:30,199
Peachee for joining me for this review. If you would

1845
01:37:30,239 --> 01:37:31,439
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01:37:31,479 --> 01:37:35,159
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1847
01:37:35,159 --> 01:37:37,840
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1848
01:37:37,880 --> 01:37:41,079
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1849
01:37:41,840 --> 01:37:44,840
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1850
01:37:44,880 --> 01:37:47,359
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1851
01:37:47,399 --> 01:37:49,960
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01:37:49,960 --> 01:37:52,319
they come up. But for now I wish you would

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01:37:52,319 --> 01:37:59,199
do I'll see you next time. Thanks for listening. Audio

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