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<v Speaker 1>Ever find yourself whispering a secret, you know, like in

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<v Speaker 1>a crowded room or something. It's like, we instinctively know

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<v Speaker 1>some things need to be protected, right, and that idea

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<v Speaker 1>that's basically what we're diving into today and network security.

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<v Speaker 1>It's all about keeping those digital secrets safe and to

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<v Speaker 1>help us navigate this whole world of digital whispers, we've

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<v Speaker 1>got Network Security, Private Communication in a public world as

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<v Speaker 1>our guide.

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<v Speaker 2>A great choice.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and this isn't just some random tech book, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it was written by the heavy hitters in the field.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, like who.

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<v Speaker 1>So we've got Charlie Kaufman who's worked on security at Microsoft,

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<v Speaker 1>Azure and Dell.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow. Impressive.

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<v Speaker 1>And then there's Radio Pearlman.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh, I know her work. She's a legend, right.

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<v Speaker 1>She's a Dell fellow, and her work on how the

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<v Speaker 1>Internet it self functions is well, that's kind.

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<v Speaker 2>Of a big deal, no kidding. Their combined experience it's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be a treasure trove of insights on keeping

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<v Speaker 2>information private, especially these.

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<v Speaker 1>Days exactly, So let's talk about that keeping things. We've

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<v Speaker 1>all heard the term cryptography, but what does it actually mean?

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<v Speaker 2>Honestly, it's a fancy way of saying secret writing. Like,

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<v Speaker 2>imagine sending a message so sensitive it needs a disguise.

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<v Speaker 2>That's where cryptography comes in. You scramble that message so

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<v Speaker 2>only someone with the right key can unlock it.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's kind of like turning your message into a

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<v Speaker 1>secret code. Exactly in this book. It dives into all

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<v Speaker 1>different types of cryptography, doesn't it. There's secret key cryptography.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, which is super common. Think of it like a

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<v Speaker 2>lock on a message. You and the recipient. You both

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<v Speaker 2>have a copy of the key. Simple effective, been around

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<v Speaker 2>for centuries.

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<v Speaker 1>Makes sense. But then there's also that public key cryptography.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah. Yes, that one's a bit more modern, but super

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<v Speaker 2>important for how we secure everything online, banking, shopping, you

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<v Speaker 2>name it.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, but public key, that one's always felt a little

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<v Speaker 1>like magic to me. How does that even work?

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<v Speaker 2>Okay? So imagine two keys instead of one. One is public,

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<v Speaker 2>anyone can use it to encrypt a message for you, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>but the other key, that one's private. Only you have

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<v Speaker 2>it to decrypt those messages.

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<v Speaker 1>So anyone can drop a message in my public mailbox,

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<v Speaker 1>but I'm the only one with the key to open it.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly. Revolutionary when it was invented, made secure communication on

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<v Speaker 2>a huge scale possible.

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<v Speaker 1>Which is probably why the book goes way beyond just

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<v Speaker 1>the basics, right, Like, it even gets into modes of operation?

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<v Speaker 1>What even are those?

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<v Speaker 2>So it's a bit more than just like encryption settings.

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<v Speaker 2>You see with block ciphers, they break your message into

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<v Speaker 2>blocks to encrypt modes of operation. Make sure that even

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<v Speaker 2>if you encrypt the same block twice, the output looks different.

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<v Speaker 1>Adds randomness to throw off anyone trying to analyze patterns exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>You wouldn't want someone guessing your message just because they

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<v Speaker 2>noticed the same encrypted block twice.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, good point. The system's really clever, which I guess

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<v Speaker 1>is why they also talk about cryptographic hashes in the

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<v Speaker 1>book too.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah, yes, hashes. Those are key for verifying that a

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<v Speaker 2>message hasn't been messed with.

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<v Speaker 1>So how's that work? Do they like scan every single word?

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<v Speaker 2>It's more like creating a digital fingerprint for a message,

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<v Speaker 2>unique to that specific message. Even a tiny change one

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<v Speaker 2>character completely changes the hash.

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<v Speaker 1>Wow, Okay, but how do we know someone can't just

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<v Speaker 1>create a fake fingerprint to match if they tamper with it.

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<v Speaker 2>That's where the beauty of hash functions comes in. Three

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<v Speaker 2>key properties make them secure. The book highlights these pre

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<v Speaker 2>image resistance okay, collision resistance and second pre image resistance.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, I'll be honest, that's a mouthful. Can you break

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<v Speaker 1>those down a bit?

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<v Speaker 2>Sure? So pre image resistance, yeah, imagine someone hands you

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<v Speaker 2>a random fingerprint asks you to find the person. Almost

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<v Speaker 2>impossible to same with this. You can't work backward from

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<v Speaker 2>a hash to create a message to match it.

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<v Speaker 1>Gotcha. So what about collision resistance?

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<v Speaker 2>That one means it's crazy difficult to find two different

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<v Speaker 2>messages that give you the exact same hash, like astronomically unlikely.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's basically impossible to have two messages with the

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<v Speaker 1>same fingerprint. That's reassuring at least, and remind me what

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<v Speaker 2>Second, pre image resistance means even if you have one message,

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<v Speaker 2>incredibly tough to create a different one with the same.

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<v Speaker 1>Hash, like forging a fingerprint, exactly not easy. So with

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<v Speaker 1>these three layers of resistance, is that what you called it?

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<v Speaker 1>It's like these hashes are like digital detectives making sure

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<v Speaker 1>no one's changing our messages.

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<v Speaker 2>He got it. And this is just scratching the surface

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<v Speaker 2>of cryptography.

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<v Speaker 1>And speaking of fascinating stuff, we got to talk about

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<v Speaker 1>something that's been all over the news lately. Quantum computers.

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<v Speaker 2>Ah. Yes, the book dedicates a whole chapter to those,

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<v Speaker 2>and for good reason.

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<v Speaker 1>I bet So are these quantum computers going to make

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<v Speaker 1>everything we just talked about like totally obsolete? Are they

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<v Speaker 1>going to break the Internet as we know it?

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<v Speaker 2>Not quite obsolete? But they definitely pose a challenge, like

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<v Speaker 2>a serious one, especially for certain types of encryption. That

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<v Speaker 2>public key cryptography we were talking about. Yeah, that one's

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<v Speaker 2>especially vulnerable.

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<v Speaker 1>So all our online banking, e commerce, dot all that

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<v Speaker 1>could be at risk.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a possibility. Yeah. Computers they're just different. They don't

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<v Speaker 2>work like a regular computer, so they can crack the

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<v Speaker 2>math problems behind a lot of our current encryption.

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<v Speaker 1>That sounds concerning, to say the least. But the book

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<v Speaker 1>it did mention something called post quantum cryptography. Is that

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<v Speaker 1>like the solution how we stay ahead of these quantum codebreakers?

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly. It's a bit of a cryptography arms race. Actually,

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<v Speaker 2>researchers everywhere are scrambling to make new encryption algorithms that

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<v Speaker 2>even quantum computers can't crack, or at least not easily.

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<v Speaker 1>Future proofing our digital security sounds like a full time job.

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<v Speaker 2>You got it. We're trying to make sure that even

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<v Speaker 2>when you know, when quantum computers are everywhere, our data

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<v Speaker 2>is still secure. But there's another thing the book gets

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<v Speaker 2>into something people often overlook. It's not always about the

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<v Speaker 2>algorithms themselves. Oh right.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like they say, a chain is only as strong

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<v Speaker 1>as its weakest link.

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<v Speaker 2>And oftentimes that weakest link it's us humans.

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<v Speaker 1>It's true. Phishing emails those are a perfect example, trying

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<v Speaker 1>to trick you into giving up your passwords and all that.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly, you could have the strongest encryption in the world,

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<v Speaker 2>but if someone just tricks you into handing over the keys,

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<v Speaker 2>it's game over.

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<v Speaker 1>So what we all need to become cybersecurity experts overnight?

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<v Speaker 2>Not exactly. Yeah, but awareness is key. That's why the

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<v Speaker 2>book talks about things like multi factor authentication. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>in security training, it's about having layers of.

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<v Speaker 1>Defense, not putting all your eggs in one basket.

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<v Speaker 2>Makes sense, right, And that brings us to something else.

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<v Speaker 2>The book dives into trusted intermediaries.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, trusted intermediaries. Now those sound important, but what are

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<v Speaker 2>That's why I think about it. In the real world,

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<v Speaker 2>we have ways of knowing who we're dealing with driver's licenses, passports,

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<v Speaker 2>but online it's way easier to fake that stuff, you know.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, good point. Anyone can pretend to be someone.

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<v Speaker 2>They're not exactly. So that's where these intermediaries come in.

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<v Speaker 2>They're like digital notaries or something. They help verify identities

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<v Speaker 2>so we can communicate more securely.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you give me an example, what do these digital

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<v Speaker 1>notaries actually look like in practice?

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<v Speaker 2>Sure, key distribution centers those are a big one.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay.

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<v Speaker 2>They help get encryption keys to the right people securely.

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<v Speaker 2>And then you've got certification authorities, like they issue digital

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<v Speaker 2>certificates kind of like a passport, but online they verify identities.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's like having a third party vouching for someone exactly.

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<v Speaker 2>It helps build that trust online that we take for

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<v Speaker 2>granted offline, right right.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, that's making more sense now, And speaking of the

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<v Speaker 1>real world, this book it connects all this back to

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<v Speaker 1>stuff we actually use, right, like email security.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely, yeah, email, electronic money, even stuff like cryptographic tricks.

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<v Speaker 2>The authors cover it all.

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<v Speaker 1>Okay, see, now you have to tell me more about

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<v Speaker 1>those cryptographic tricks. Sounds like something out of a spy

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<v Speaker 1>movie some from do.

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<v Speaker 2>One that comes to mind is secret sharing.

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<v Speaker 1>Secret sharing. Okay, I'm intrigued, what's that all about?

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<v Speaker 2>So picture this. You have this super secret, so sensitive

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<v Speaker 2>you can't even tell one whole person. Okay, secret sharing

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<v Speaker 2>less you split that secret into pieces like a puzzle,

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<v Speaker 2>give each person one piece. No one person has the

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<v Speaker 2>whole thing, but enough of them together they can put

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<v Speaker 2>it all together.

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<v Speaker 1>So even if someone gets their hands on one piece,

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<v Speaker 1>they're still in the dark.

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<v Speaker 2>Precisely, it's an extra layer protection for really important stuff.

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<v Speaker 2>And the book gets into even more of these tricks

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<v Speaker 2>like zero knowledge proofs, homomorphic encryption, not.

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<v Speaker 1>Wild stuff, sounds like it. So we're talking about like

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<v Speaker 1>a whole new level of protecting information.

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<v Speaker 2>We are. And what's amazing is the book makes it understandable.

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<v Speaker 2>You don't have to be a cryptography whiz to follow along.

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<v Speaker 1>That's the best part of a good deep dive, right,

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<v Speaker 1>learning a ton without getting bogged down by all the

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<v Speaker 1>tech talk.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly, it's about understanding why this stuff matters in our lives.

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<v Speaker 1>And speaking of our lives, the book also talks about

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<v Speaker 1>something that's becoming more and more relevant these days, electronic money.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, online banking, cryptocurrency, that whole world relies on the

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<v Speaker 2>cryptography we've been talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>It really makes you realize how much things have changed,

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<v Speaker 1>cryptocurrency especially, it's everywhere you look these days.

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<v Speaker 2>I know. It really makes you think about the future

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<v Speaker 2>of money, security.

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<v Speaker 1>And privacy.

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<v Speaker 2>Don't forget privacy, Oh absolutely, this book it really makes

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<v Speaker 2>you think about where it's all headed.

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<v Speaker 1>It does makes you wonder, with all this advanced tech,

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<v Speaker 1>are we actually any safer than before?

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<v Speaker 2>That's the million dollar question, isn't it? And unfortunately there's

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<v Speaker 2>no easy answer.

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<v Speaker 1>So where does that leave us? Then? What's the one

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<v Speaker 1>big takeaway you want our listener to walk away with

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<v Speaker 1>from this deep dive?

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<v Speaker 2>I'd say security it's more of a journey, you know,

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<v Speaker 2>not a destination. Technology keeps changing, there's always some new

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<v Speaker 2>threat popping up. Yeah, we got to be ready to.

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<v Speaker 1>Adapt, so no resting on our laurels.

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<v Speaker 2>Nope, can't just assume we're secure and call it a day.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like a multifaceted thing, you know. Strong encryption is important, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's not the whole picture.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, It's about more than just the tech itself.

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<v Speaker 2>Exactly got to think about the human element too, and

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<v Speaker 2>have good security practices in place, and honestly, just stay

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<v Speaker 2>informed about the threats out there.

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<v Speaker 1>It's like building a fortress almost. You need strong walls,

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<v Speaker 1>but you also need alert guards and you got to

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<v Speaker 1>know what the enemy is capable of.

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<v Speaker 2>Ooh, I like that. And just like a real fortress,

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<v Speaker 2>your digital security needs those updates, those upgrades. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>what was safe a few years ago might not cut

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<v Speaker 2>it today.

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<v Speaker 1>That's a good point. So how do we stay ahead

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<v Speaker 1>of the curve? Is it just about like knowing about

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<v Speaker 1>every new breach or software update?

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<v Speaker 2>That helps, for sure, But it's also about being savvy,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, don't just click links blindly, be careful what

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<v Speaker 2>you share online. Ooh on strong passwords obviously, can't stress

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<v Speaker 2>that enough.

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<v Speaker 1>Always good advice. Sounds like that book we've been talking

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<v Speaker 1>about network security, private communication in a public world. That'd

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<v Speaker 1>be a good place to start for people wanting to

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<v Speaker 1>learn more.

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<v Speaker 2>Definitely, it gives you that good overview of how this

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<v Speaker 2>stuff works, the concepts, the tech, the challenges. But even

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<v Speaker 2>more than that, it really pushes you to think about security.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, be proactive, take control of your own digital life.

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<v Speaker 1>So as we wrap up this deep dive. What's the

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<v Speaker 1>one thing you want to leave our listeners with, the

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<v Speaker 1>one thing they can take away and actually use in

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<v Speaker 1>their own lives.

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<v Speaker 2>It's simple, Really, you have more power than you think

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<v Speaker 2>when it comes to your own security. Just knowing the basics,

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<v Speaker 2>being aware of the threats, and taking steps to protect

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<v Speaker 2>yourself it makes a difference.

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<v Speaker 1>So it's about being empowered, not scared.

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<v Speaker 2>It's exactly not about living in fear, but about knowing

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<v Speaker 2>what's up and taking action.

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<v Speaker 1>I like it well said, and on that note, we'll

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<v Speaker 1>leave you to ponder this. What can you do today

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<v Speaker 1>to make your digital life a little safer? Thanks for

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<v Speaker 1>joining us on this deep dive. Until next time.