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move on, but I got a call here from Mike
who wanted to talk about the Russia collusion hoax. So
let me bring Mike on real quick, and then I'll
tell you about the White House ballroom.
Speaker 1: Mike, Welcome to the show.
Speaker 3: Sounds good, great, How are you, sah?
Speaker 1: I'm all right.
Speaker 2: Are you on a speakerphone in a bathroom? Uh no,
it's very hollow, very echoe.
Speaker 3: Okay, let me see if I can change speakers. I'm
so sorry.
Speaker 1: That's all right.
Speaker 3: How about this a little bit better?
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's a little bit cleaner yet.
Speaker 3: All right, when you're coming through kind of thing. But
we'll see what we can do. I appreciate you taking
the call, and this I think falls in the category,
Pete of be careful what you wish for. Because if
the president and the magna crowd and you know, talk
radio hosts want to you know, bring back for public
discussion the Russian collusion hopes quote unquote, then in many ways,
that's a great discussion to have because it will remind
people of three things, three big, big factors that have
been proven and been discussed and found by various investigations.
And you've put out lots of various facts, but I
don't think any I'm really refused. The three overall overarching
headlines from this whole situation. Number one is is that
Russia actively engaged in activity to interfere with the twenty
sixteen election.
Speaker 1: Nobody has never denied that. I've never denied that.
Speaker 3: Right, Okay, right, And that doesn't But that.
Speaker 2: Doesn't prove hang on that, that doesn't prove any of
the accusations that were made. So just simply saying that
they meddled in the election does not is not proof
of any of the further accusations, right, Nor is.
Speaker 3: It proof that that Russia was able to meddle with
machines and actually change votes.
Speaker 2: Correct, that was never that was never uh, that was
never asserted. Even Obama's administration did not assert that correct. However, Wait,
but however, the tagline that Democrats have been using for
nine years was that Russia hacked the election. I've got
the audio clips, I've got all the montage. It's it
was a constant drumbeat. And so whether there was there
while there was never any explicit allegation that Russia hacked
into the voting machines and changed the votes, the tagline
that y'all used of Russia hacked the election that it
sent a message to many Democrat voters. And if you
ask your fellow Democrats, you will encounter a great number
of them that do, in fact believe that Russia hacked
into the voting machines. That's what the polling shows, and
it's shown that for the last nine years.
Speaker 3: Whether you want to use term hacked or, as I
said at the beginning, interfered with, there's very there's just
no question that Russia actually engaged in an American election.
Speaker 1: All right, but hang on, Mike, a couple of things.
Hang on, I'm gonna let you go.
Speaker 2: But like the the first thing there is that that's
not unusual. Well, they've been doing it for years. We've
been doing it to them for years, decades, right, so
that's not unusual. And then you got to ask how
did they interfere? What were they doing?
Speaker 1: Right? What was the Russian government? And you've got the
troll farms?
Speaker 2: Right, so we know about that, they had the Ira
troll farm and that's what you know. Muller issued the
indictments for these Russians whatever, But what were they actually
able to do? What did they actually influence? And as
Aaron Mante has reported on the Idea that that like
one hundred thousand dollars spent on Facebook ads and some
memes that that somehow flipped people's votes, there's no evidence,
never has been any evidence to show that it had
any impact.
Speaker 3: We can't nobody is going to be able to prove
that X number of votes we were changed because of
all the Russian interference? All right, but what do you
think they did the Russian in fact interfere?
Speaker 1: What do you think they hang on?
Speaker 2: What do you think they did besides what I just said,
what do you think Russia did to interfere?
Speaker 3: Well? What the what the Mulla investigator investigation showed What
the Byparson Senate investigation showed is that there were a
number of, as you said, troll forms, number of social
social media misinformation that was put out there, so substantial interference.
So that part is definitely not a hoax. The second
that's that's not the hoax.
Speaker 2: No, that's not the hoax, though, Mike, you're conflating that
with the Russia collusion hoax. That's why I call it
the Russian collusion hoax.
Speaker 3: The allegation was that leads me to my second point.
That leads me my second point. The second point is,
in addition to the fact that Russian it's clear that
Russian operatives actively interfered with the twenty sixteen campaign, the
second fact is there's a bunch of evidence to show
how the Donald Trump campaign welcomed that interference. You had
numerous political operatives excuse me, campaign officials, uh, that have
played guilty and or been convicted of crimes for that
very instance. What you got, you got Michael flann.
Speaker 1: And hang on a second.
Speaker 2: Those guys, those guys we mentioned Pepadopolis came up the
other yesterday.
Speaker 1: His name was brought up yesterday.
Speaker 2: So don't say I don't talk about that the the
guys that you were mentioning, like Maniford, what was his
what was his charge?
Speaker 1: You remember his crime?
Speaker 3: Well, at least we had to My third point.
Speaker 1: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no no,
what was what.
Speaker 3: Was tied drom y'all tied in?
Speaker 2: I'm not going to let you make I'm not going
to let you make the to get on the role
that you want to get on. Where you just pepper
a bunch of stuff out there, throw some names without
telling us what were all of the charges for?
Speaker 1: What were all of those people charged for?
Speaker 3: Well, let's see here if I can remember all this
stuff we've got Manaport was convicted let's say very financial crimes.
I think there was an obstruction of justice. Uh and
he uh, you know, tried to thwart the investigation.
Speaker 1: What was that camp? What what was the collusion?
Speaker 3: What did Rogers sound?
Speaker 2: What was the what was the collusion about with Manifact?
What was the collusion about with Manaford?
Speaker 3: Uh? There was the interaction with a bunch of uh
Russian operatives that he lied about. And again that's my
third point is that in addition to welcoming the interference,
when facts started coming out about this the campaign and
these were these Trump operatives worked very very hard to
instruct any of the investigation into this information.
Speaker 1: Okay, so hang on my point, my point, Bill, My gosh, Mike,
you got to stop.
Speaker 2: Mike, you just got you got you got to break
this down into uh smaller chunks here, because you're you're
trying to build a theory of a case with me,
but you're building it on misinformation or lack of information.
So I asked you about Maniford. You said, financial crimes.
What was the collusion? What was the Papadopolis charge?
Speaker 3: I don't have it right off the top of my head.
Speaker 1: That was the Roger Stone charge.
Speaker 3: I believe he was. I think it was an instruction
of justice charge.
Speaker 1: Was because why.
Speaker 3: Uh he lied to investigators or he refused or.
Speaker 2: He refused to participate in the subpoena that was given
to him by the j sixth Committee.
Speaker 1: Right right, right, So that's not collusion. So like that's
that's not collusion either.
Speaker 2: See No, But Mike, what you're doing is you're throwing
these things in there like, oh, they got this guy,
they got this guy, they got this guy. Convictions that
and that somehow stacks up as proof of collusion when
it doesn't in fact, in fact, he let me make
this one point.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna let you go again.
Speaker 2: In fact, if you are being investigated by the very
intelligence agent sees that you believe is framing you, which
we now know they were, they were involved in this
very thing, and so why would you cooperate with them?
You saw what happened to Mike Flynn when he took
a meeting. He thought it was a friendly meeting, and
they put him into a perjury trap. So why would
you participate and then you get charged with the obstruction.
This is the whole point.
Speaker 3: The term that you're that you try to use again
is the collusion hoax? All right?
Speaker 1: Correct?
Speaker 3: And collusion is different. There is no there is no evidence.
Muwal said there was no evidence of illegal collusion. But
to say that it's a hoax is absolutely acting.
Speaker 1: It was a hoax.
Speaker 3: It's taking one little truth and trying to make everything else.
It's not, I think, not want active experienced by Russia,
an active cooperation by now campaign, who welcomed that.
Speaker 1: There was no there's no proof of that.
Speaker 3: There's no time of proof.
Speaker 2: No, there's no there is no there is no no
proof campaign. There is no proof that Russia colluded with
the Trump campaign because what did the what did the
report say? The ICA said that, uh, that they they wanted,
they aspired to have Trump win, that there was.
Speaker 1: An active engagement.
Speaker 3: Can we use another word without in terms of uh
Trump campaign? If they didn't colude.
Speaker 1: That's what you guys accused him of. I'm not gonna
know what Mike.
Speaker 2: See, here's the thing. I'm not letting you retcon this.
I lived through this. I know what was said about Trump.
I wasn't even a Trump supporter and I knew what
was being said about Trump. I knew the argument you
guys were trying to make. I'm not going to let
you retcon me. I'm not gonna let it happen. I'm
using that term because that's exactly what occurred.
Speaker 1: The media hoax occurred. The hoax occurred. It was completely fabricated.
It was fabricated.
Speaker 3: That discussion about whether it was in fact that.
Speaker 1: You think the Steel DOSSI was real.
Speaker 3: The Steel dossier was not the only thing that I'm.
Speaker 2: Not asking you that I'm asking you if the Steele
dossier was real.
Speaker 3: There was a lot more besides the dossier.
Speaker 2: Why can't you just say it wasn't Why can't you
just say if it? Do I think it was real?
Do you think it was real?
Speaker 3: A lot more there was real?
Speaker 1: Do you think do you think Mike? Mike, stop talking, Mike.
Speaker 2: I'm not asking you to make an argument. I'm asking
you what you think? Do you think it was real?
Speaker 3: Real? Defined as how true? Do you think a lot
of things? A lot of things in it that were
later proven to be true. Some things were not, Oh
my gosh. But the point is the point.
Speaker 1: It was completely discredited.
Speaker 3: More, there was a lot more of the investigation other
than dossier, a lot more.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I've been covering. I've been covering a lot of it.
You should go back and listen to the podcasts. I
appreciate the call. All right, if you're listening to this show,
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Here's a Pete tweet from Moral Compass, who says that
call with Mike shows how when the left loses the argument,
they redefine terms like collusion.
Speaker 1: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Like, I stand by Russia collusion hoax, because that's what
we were told Donald Trump was doing, that Russia had
dirt on him, they had compromat Russia, or that Trump
really liked Vladimir Putin, he was Putin's puppet, he was
doing the bidding of putin the whole Alpha Bank lie, right,
that hoax, Like, here's the thing, and this is a
It's difficult for people who are embedded in an institution
or a community or a political party to see that
people around them may behave badly. And I think that
is why a lot of people in the media on
the left, but I repeat myself, that's why they cannot
break free of the Trump derangement syndrome, even when the
evidence is now clear from all of these different intelligence
agencies and the analysts that did the work and kept
saying to their superiors like no, no, this isn't provable.
There's no evidence to support this. This is low confidence
and everything. And there's also this belief that our guys.
Speaker 1: Wouldn't do that.
Speaker 2: There's no way, like, like, I understand not liking Trump,
but there's a whole bunch of other stuff that he
actually has done and said that you cannot like him
for you know, you don't have to go with these lies.
And I don't understand this point. I mean, like you
were lied to also, Democrats, It wasn't us. Now, there
was a whole bunch of extra crap piled on top
of us at the time by people like you that
called me even though I didn't even support Trump. In
twenty sixteen, I got called Putin's puppet. Oh, you're just
helping the Russians, You're a spy. I got all of
these names called to me, as did all Trump supporters.
So no, I'm not going to let people now try
to rewrite what I remember going through, because while you
guys may have been dishing it out back then, like
we remember what it felt like to take that. This
is from Superstan the man on Twitter. He sounds super
Democrats love and count on your last caller. They can
be lied to and manipulated, knowing if the truth is
ever presented to them, they'll never believe it and stay
firmly in the Democrat camp. And he sounds intelligent. Mike
is that's saying. Mike is a smart guy. But and
that's why I think sometimes it's difficult for him to
try to make these arguments.
Speaker 1: But let me jump over and get Nick on. Hello, Nick,
how you doing. I'm good? What's up?
Speaker 4: I don't want to gas like your show, but I
will tell you I am your twin. I am like you.
I am not left, I'm not right I'm in the middle.
We don't kiss Trump's but we don't care. But he
is a good president. I am sixty years old. I
moved to Waxhaw nineteen years ago. So all the Liberals
are coming from the blue run states because they don't
like it. But I will tell you this, people are brainwashed,
so don't and this is true. I'm known a guy
since I was twenty one. I'm sixty years old. I
wouldn't believe it if I didn't hear it out of
his mouth. He thought Trump when he was running for
the second time, he was going to be a dictator.
And you know what I told him, change the channel,
get off the channel, because they literally brainwash you buy
the phones and TV and if you change the channel
and open your eyes. But here's the problem. The Lord
made a lot of us, a lot of us. He
didn't give a blank. He gave a train ticket. And
I hate to say it, there's a lot of us
in this world. We grew up in the sixties and
seventies and we understand stuff. But that's what I like
about you. You always get to the truth. Try people
don't like to hear the truth, and that is the
honest to God truth.
Speaker 1: Nick. I appreciate the call. I got to run. I
appreciate the call. Thanks for the kind word.
Speaker 4: Thank you, and I keep listening.
Speaker 1: All right, thank you. Take care now.
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read a story from Reuter's. This was from David Morgan
December eighteenth, twenty sixteen. Okay, so December eighteenth, This is
ten days after the intelligence community assessment that got reworked
after it did not have the Steele dossier information in
it and so therefore there was no proof of any
collusion between Trump and Russia, and then it got pulled back.
Brannan stuck the dossier in there. They tried to pressure
a whistleblower over at the office of the Director of
National Intelligence, the top senior analyst. They wouldn't show them
the Steele DOSSI. So he's like, I'm not going to
concur with this ICA. You need to concur this way,
we'll get the Pentagon on board. He's like, I'm not
going to do it unless you show me what you're
telling me exists. They refuse to show him. He doesn't
sign on. They say you're not going to get a promotion.
That's the new information that came out yesterday. So this
is in that same time period. December eighteenth, twenty sixteen,
a top aide to Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign said it
was an open question whether President elect Donald Trump's advisors
colluded with Russia to hack into Democratic Party emails to
try to sway the November eighth election. John Podesta, the
Clinton campaign chairman, said there was evidence that Trump associates
had contact with a Russian intelligence official and the website
WikiLeaks before US intelligence agencies accused Russia of being behind
computer attacks of Democratic emails, including Podesta, and what we
found doubt what four days ago. What we found out
was that the FBI never saw the compromised servers. They
never could confirm because CrowdStrike that was hired by the
Democrat Party to track down who hacked them. CrowdStrike said
it was the Russians and then refused to offer any
proof to the FBI, which is why the FBI said, yeah,
we don't think this was them. Low confidence was their
assessment at the time. Low confidence, and then it got
changed for no reason. Nobody understands why, except this Steele
dossier comes along.
Speaker 1: I guess.
Speaker 2: But they said low confidence and then it got changed
to high confidence in order to promote this idea that
Russia hacked the election. It was purposefully conflated. I said,
here's the I have the audio.
Speaker 1: Here you go, Russia hacking the election to elect Trump.
Speaker 5: What is the end of our boxras Every votes were
definitely affected, But you're Russia hacked the election to tilted
to mister Trump.
Speaker 2: The Russians definitively hacked the election.
Speaker 4: Russia did hack the election, no doubt.
Speaker 2: The Russians hacked the election.
Speaker 1: Yes, Russia hacked the election.
Speaker 2: Packed Russia hacked the election. President elect Donald Trump still
not sounding convinced that Russia hacked the election.
Speaker 5: If you can get them to accept that Russia hacked
the election, see if you can get him to accept
who won the Civil War. The Director of National Intelligence,
the head of the National Security Agency, the head of
the FBI, all of these intelligence experts saying Russia hacked
the intelligence at Russia hacked the election.
Speaker 2: The FBI, the CIA, the NSA, the former Director of
National Intelligence, James Clapper.
Speaker 1: I mean, they've all said this. So to believe that
that's wrong.
Speaker 2: You have to believe they're all involved in an elaborate
conspiracy to get Donald Trump. Yes, yes, I do. And
the evidence bears that out because he was promising to
come in and blow up all of these institutions that
they cared more about than the democracy. And that's what
really should concern people, is that this small group of
people were able to weaponize and manipulate in order to
try to.
Speaker 1: Well rig an.
Speaker 2: Election to quote Donald Trump, right, that was the that's
the point. It was to put their thumb on the
scale and try to stop Trump from winning. And then when,
horror of horrors, Hillary Clinton does not win, which most
of them thought she would. When she doesn't, now you
got to kneecap the guy. And that's why in December,
they're still talking about Russia collusion. Their word. So no,
I don't drop the word collusion, and I'm not dropping
the word hoax, because that's what this was. It was
a hoax. The DNC email hack was pinned on Russia.
No evidence presented to the FBI to this day. And
then that's when the Clinton campaign starts saying that they
did it to help Trump. I think it was a
nick who called in before the news. It says, friend,
truly believe that Donald Trump is a dictator or would
be a dictator or something. And I remembered a very
similar conversation I had with an old neighbor and sweet
old lady, but she was from California.
Speaker 1: She was a liberal and so and when she found.
Speaker 2: Out what I did, she would come over and want
to talk politics with me.
Speaker 1: And she was very concerned. This was five years ago whatever.
Speaker 2: She was very concerned that Donald Trump would become a dictator.
And I said, well, what is your evidence to support that?
And she said, I just I think he's not going
to leave office if he gets elected again. And I said,
but he did leave office, well but January sixth, Well, yes,
but he did leave office, right, Like, wouldn't that have
been the perfect time when you've got an army of
your supporters out front, admittedly unarmed, but still like, you
got all these people out there. If you were going
to be the dictator, then wouldn't that be the perfect.
Speaker 1: Time to do it?
Speaker 2: But he didn't, That's what I mean, Like, so what
other evidence do you have to support this idea that
he's going to be this thing that you fear, so
therefore saying, look, this is part of the problem when
when you suffer from the TDS, when you think Donald
Trump is a Nazi, all of his supporters are Nazis. Right,
you're saving democracy. The lane in which you get to
ride in to prevent literally the next Hitler, the orange hitler. Right,
that lane gets very wide, and you can start justifying
all sorts of stuff, like accusing him of being a
Russian asset based on concocted intelligence assessments. Right, you are
totally justified in doing that because you're saving democracy, you're
saving America. It's a very dangerous path, it's a very
dangerous way of thinking. I'm glad the information has all
been declassified, or I don't know, there could be more
stuff coming out. I don't even know. I'd love to
find out if there's more stuff, but this sincerity and
certainty that democrats in the media. But I repeat myself
that they had about this Kakammy theory and they hammered it.
Speaker 1: I remember it.
Speaker 2: That's just a small sam It was a constant drum beat.
I covered it, We talked about it on the show
all the time, and I kept waiting for where's this evidence, Like.
Speaker 1: Oh, what do you think this means? What do you
think this means? Oh, the hack and like okay, but
there's never anything.
Speaker 2: Julian Assange has said that no state actor gave WikiLeaks
the DNC emails. They didn't get it from Russia. No,
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back to that December twenty sixteen Reuter's story. As they're
interviewing John Podesta, former chairman of the Hillary Clinton campaign.
He had his emails hacked along with the DNC, and
he accuses the Russians of doing it in order to
help Trump win. Remember Ryan's previous incoming White House chief
of staff. At the time, he rejected the notion that
Trump Bore his associates were aware of and in touch
with the Russians during the hack attack. He said, even
the question is insane. Of course, we don't interface with
the Russians. Russia denied the US accusations also, but on Friday,
US President Barack Obama suggested that Russian President Vladimir Putin
personally authorized the Democratic Party email hacks. How would he
know that? This is right after that Intelligence community assessment
got revised, But there wasn't anything in there that said
Putin personally authorized the hacking of the DNC emails. There
was never any evidence of that. So why would Obama
say it? This is the smear, This is the hoax. Right,
You take these things and wait till you hear more
like knowing what we know now going back and reading this,
see people want to forget what the climate was like
and what was being said and what was being reported
on right.
Speaker 1: Leaked email Where was I?
Speaker 2: Trump and his team have rejected claims that Russian hacking
helped him win the election and blame Democrats for trying
to delegitimize the election results. Leaked emails revealed details of
paid speeches Clinton gave to Wall Street Party in fighting,
and comments from top aids to Clinton who were shocked
about the extent of her use of a private server
to send emails while US Secretary of State. Podesta pointed
specifically to Trump associates Roger Stone and Carter Page. Remember him,
I do, Carter Page. Podesta accused Stone of having advanced
warning of the Russian hacks, accused him of meeting with
Julian Assange of WikiLeaks. Podesta accused Page of having met
with the person in the Russian hierarchy who was responsible
for collecting intelligence and what we found out right, they
took the wire tab warned that, they went to the
fis A court. They lied in their fires A court
application so they could eavesdrop on Carter Page. And the
lie that was in that warrant application was when the
FBI asked the CIA, Hey, we're going for a warrant
on this guy Carter Page. Is he one of yours?
Basically do you have any association with this guy? And
the CIA said yes, yeah, he's one of ours. He's
not an agent or anything, but he's a businessman and
he when he goes to Russia and does whatever business
dealings he does over there, he comes back and briefs us,
He tells his stuff that's going on. And the FBI
with knowing that, when they filled out their warrant application.
They said he has no contacts with any Intel agencies.
Speaker 1: So they lied.
Speaker 2: Klin Smith was the lawyer who did that, and he
got a slap on the wrist by the DC bar.
He's still practicing law. I think they suspended his law
license for like a year or something. So they lied
to get the wiretap on Carter Page. Like they're just
throwing around all of these accusations at these people in
Trump World. They're just lying. They were lying then, and
they had no information that proved Russia did this. You know,
Russia probably had all of the emails off of Hillary
Clinton server, you know that right like that when Komi
was asked, you know, is it possible that her server
was hacked by foreign governments? And he said it's it
is quite likely, yes, because there was unprotected and they
knew about her emails and her server and they probably
had real time access to it. That's not Trump's fault.
And we also know, based on the now declassified intel
that the that the leadership buried was that Vladimir Putin
actually thought Hillary was going to win. People inside the
intelligence that was coming out of Russia from people that
were around Vladimir put Like, he thought Hillary was going
to win and actually had no preference, did not care
one way or the other because he didn't think the
policy towards Russia would change either way. He didn't care. Now,
what they do care about is sewing chaos. Hence the
memes and the Facebook trolling and all of that, like
that that's to sew chaos. Russia wants us to fight internally,
and so that's why they were on both sides of
the BLM thing. They were running Facebook message or groups.
They did a rally here in town for a was
it Black Matter Lives or something like that. It was
like a play on the words.
Speaker 1: There was a story.
Speaker 2: Charlotte Observer did a story about it and how the
guy that was that was organizing it and he got
he met the person who was like the money person.
It was some Russian woman with a bodyguard that you know,
was like seven feet tall and six hundred pounds, like
a massive mountain of a guy. Didn't say anything, so like, yeah,
they they interfered. Yeah, absolutely, did it change votes? There's
no evidence of that, and studies were attempted, but there's
no evidence of that. Yeah, So again, like that's why
I'm saying, like this is gaslighting to tell me that
what I lived through and what I saw that I
didn't and I know I did. All right, that'll do
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