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Let's welcome in John Kurtz for the show. John, How

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you living?

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Speaker 4: What's up?

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Speaker 1: Ben?

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Speaker 4: I'm doing great, man?

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Speaker 3: How are you doing?

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Speaker 2: Fantastic? What's been keeping you busy this week?

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Speaker 3: John? What have you been delving into on your podcast?

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Your show? What have you guys been discussing?

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Speaker 4: I think the better question this week is what hasn't

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been keeping me busy? I'm sitting down, I'm writing the

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open for business Big Told newsletter right now, and I'm like,

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you know, there are three or four things that kind

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of buried the actual Big twelve championship game in the

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news cycle this week, which is nuts because that game

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obviously is so consequential BYU's playoff live probably on the line,

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though I do think there is maybe one sliver of

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a scenario where it wouldn't be but Texas Tech playing

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for a playoff by all that's going on. But yet

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this week you had Kiwanie Sataki's flirtation with Penn State

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and how just painstaking I'm sure that was around Provo

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and for BYU fans, and now it turns into i

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think a massive boom for BYU football because they have

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gotten so many resources together and in line to support

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that football program moving forward. You had Joey McGuire signing

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an extension with Texas Tech, so he's not going anywhere.

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You have another set of playoff rankings coming out, where

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again I think BYU is just criminally disrespected, especially compared

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to Notre Dame who is right in front of them,

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and Texas Tech winds up in the fourth spot, which

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would mean that they are in lines essentially for a

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top four seed and a buy in the college football playoffs.

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So it's like all that and then I'm a k

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State guy. So in KSE State world, it was Chris

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climb In deciding to retire and Colin Clin coming in

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as the head coach at k State. So that all

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happened by the time we got to Wednesday yesterday. So

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there's been a lot. There's been a lot going on.

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Speaker 2: So give me a little breakdown on the climbing situation.

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I mean, look like I look at this schedule. I mean,

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he's been there for seven years, right, and he's done

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some fantastic work. I mean, this is a good football

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program that yeahs has lost games, but they've been on

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the cusp of greatness it seems every single year. And

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you know this year they've had a ton of close losses.

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They're right there. Yeah, disappointing losses, but they're a good

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football program.

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Speaker 3: What happened? Why did this happen?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So it hadn't been a very well kept secret

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for a couple of years around Manhattan that Chris Cleman

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was not a guy who was going to or was

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likely to coach deep into his sixties. He's fifty eight

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years old now as he retires, and so there had

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always been this thought like, he's not probably going to

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coach too terribly much longer. And I think that all

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got hastened by just how crazy the entire environment in

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college sports has become. And Jean Taylor, case State's athletic director,

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referenced that in the press conference yesterday as a reason

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why this is happening. You know, Chris Piman's a guy's

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he's kind of like he's an old school ball coach man.

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He wants to coach football. He doesn't want to fundraise.

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speaking engagements. I'm sure he doesn't want to be working

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around the clock always rerecruiting his roster, like just you know,

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managing the money aspect of this with a GM, like

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all the stuff that goes into it now in college football.

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you know, And I think all that really started to

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wear on him. He had had a couple instances of

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getting dizzy on the sideline over the last couple of

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years too. I don't know if there's a major health

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issue there, but at least, you know, seemingly just like

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some stress related things had been popping up to so

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going into this year, and really when they started one

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and three this year, there were whispers about, like, hey,

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is this going to be it? Like is he gonna

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hang it up after this year? Now, Having said that,

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after the Utah game and the tearful press conference and

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all that, everything I had been hearing behind the scenes

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was that he was pretty re energized and fired up

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and wanting more NIL support and ready to go to

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bat for that. And so it was a shock to

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me when I first found out like Tuesday afternoon that

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this was going to happen. I think one other factor

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that you do have to keep in mind here is

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that Chris Clement has handled this all very selflessly. He

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made this decision really quickly, and because of that, Case

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State was able to turn around and get calling Klin

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lined up ready to go, and that was It was

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a point of stress for Case State fans throughout the

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year because Clent almost got the Oklahoma State job. He

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finished runner up there, he was about to take the

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South Florida job when Case State called. The fear was

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he's going to take a powerful job this offseason and

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you'll miss your opportunity to grab him forever. And Case

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State fans definitely felt that stress. And I kind of

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tend to think Chris Climban in the back of his

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mind had that lodged in there too, like, Hey, if

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I'm already teetering on this, I don't want to be

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the guy that keeps k State from taking a shot

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at the prodigal sun coming home here one of the

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hottest names in the coaching industry. So I think all

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of that probably factored into what happened with Chris climbing there.

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think you've got a really high upside with Klein. I

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think this could be like the State's Kenny Dillingham, would

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be like your best case scenario. But hey, Texas Tech

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fans had almost the exact same scenario play out with

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a guy who was the offensive coordinator at Texas A

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and M once upon a time in Cliff Kingsbury. And

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obviously Colin Klein is coming over from being the offensive

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coordinator at Texas A and M right now, and Kingsbury

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was pretty beadyocre at Texas Tech. So we'll see. There

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is an element of be careful what you wish for

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I think probably in play here, but it's it's taken

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a big swing, for sure.

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Speaker 3: Man, crazy times, no doubt about it.

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Speaker 2: How how powerful, how strengthened is the Big Twelve with

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some of these moves, do you think or is it?

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Is it weakened by some of these moves that we've

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seen Oklahoma State right there was a there was a

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lot of turnover on Gundy's staff because the donors just

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you know, they wanted more wins, and so he had

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to he had to make some changes. Now, he's out

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after an atrocious season.

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, what do you make of the Big twelve?

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Where do we stand as a Big twelve conference?

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Speaker 4: Well, I think the the Klonie Sataki piece of it

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was just huge, you know. I mean to me, that's

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the one that matters a lot. And it's it's not

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you know, I'm not somebody that's out there saying like, hey,

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Byu couldn't have found anybody to come in and win games,

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you know, if it was gonna be Jay Hill or

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whoever else, Like I'm there, there were definitely options. It's

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a strong program. There are a lot of resources there.

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But man, Kolonie Sataki is just like the perfect fit.

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I mean, he is a perfect ambassador. He totally embodies,

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I think it what it means to be a BYU Cougar.

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On top of just being clearly an excellent football coach,

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He's got four double digit win seasons and now has

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won twenty two games the last two years and has

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you on the brink of the playoff yet again. So

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the combination of the fact that Sataki is coming back

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with I'm going off of Pete nkos At on Freeze

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report about the ten to fifteen million extra NILB and

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dumped on top of Revshre. I mean, if that's going

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to be the case, and having a roster that is

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that loaded for bear financially like BYU is going to

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be really really competitive, and that's huge. Locking down Joey

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Maguire or not that I ever thought he would leave,

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but locking him down that's another huge thing at Texas

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Tech with the financial resources that they all have committed there.

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think BYU and Texas Tech are really positioned to be

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the powers of the league right now. The fact that

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they have the coaches that they do, with the financial

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support that they do, it's really hard to argue against that.

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And as much as the Big Twelve has been this

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conference of parody, what it really needs to be more

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respected nationally is like big brands that people trust. And

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and for BYU last year too, you know you're starting

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to see them position themselves as that. I think there's

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a lot of upside with Eric Morris at Oklahoma State.

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it's another situation where Gundy leaving and having to go

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hire a coach and Eric Morris, who I think was

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coveted by, you know, perhaps a place like Arkansas. You

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were going to have to have your nil ducks in

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a row to attract a coach like that, to attract

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a good candidate. So I think that probably whipps Oklahoma

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State into shape. I think Colin Klin's going to help

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you that at case State too. He's coming from the

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SEC at Texas A and M, where they spend like

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nobody else, and he has seen what it takes to

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win at the highest level of the SEC and make

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the playoffs. So I think he'll come and demand at

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least in the ballpark of that type of support at

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k State, which Case State probably needs a little kick

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in the rear end on that front right now. So

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I think those are two high upside plays and then

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two I mean just blue blood you know stock that

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you know is going to hit with Colonie Sataki and

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Speaker 2: Top, John Kurt Big twelve Insider here on ESPN the

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Fan talking Big twelve Football College Football playoff as well.

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Let's trans obviously BYU fans feeling slided right now, feel disrespected,

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called Football Playoff Committee just not giving credence to their resume,

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their eye tests versus the U in that Texas Tech game.

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Speaker 3: Where BYU, yeah, you know they didn't. They got beat.

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Speaker 2: Handily, but so has everybody else. You know, everybody else

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has been beaten handily by Texas Tech. Do you think

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anything changes this week in Arlington? Do you think by

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is much more competitive? Can they get the win? How

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do you see this game playing out?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? I mean there's there's so much here, so I think,

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first and foremost, the infuriating part about the playoff discussion

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is that it's not even so much that BYU as

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of right now wouldn't be in the playoffs, sitting just

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one spot outside of that, But it's how little they're

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included in the national discussion when it comes to like

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ESPN and any of the national reporters talking about this,

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so much of the discussion is just about Alabama, Notre

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Dame Miami, and it's like we've literally seen the graphics

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multiple times that just omit BYU from that discussion. And

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before anybody tries to say, well, BYU's basically got a

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playing game this week, well so does Alabama they're playing

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in a conference championship game too. They make the graphic

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It's the same thing that happened last year, but just

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on a more egregious scale this year because BYU's resume

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is better. It's crazy, man. They have a better strength

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to record, a better strength to schedule than Notre Dame,

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better resume than Notre Dame. I don't think there's any

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denying that. It's just the eye test gets thrown against them.

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and I don't think it's been talked about a lot,

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probably because people don't have faith in this working out.

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And I agree because that means you have to trust

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the committee that clearly cares more about logos than what's

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actually put out there. But if the eye test is

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the one thing holding b YU back, right, they have

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a better resume than Notre Dame. But people look at

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the eye test and they say, hey, Jeremiah loves playing great.

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Notre Dame's smashing people and the one time everybody watched

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BYU this year at Texas Tech. They were not very competitive. Okay, well,

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what if Texas Tech goes out or BYU goes out

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on Saturday and plays like a knockdown, dragout overtime game

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with Texas Tech. I think of the Big twelve Championship

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game a couple of years ago between K State and

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TCU goes to overtime, there's a goal line stand and

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then a game winning field goal. If Tech's on the

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winning edge of that. But BYU shows like, hey, this

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team that you all think is consensed like top four,

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now you think it's worthy of a playoff. By everybody

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has gotten behind Texas Tech on that front. We show

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now that we are actually a good enough team to

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go toe to toe with them. Is that enough to

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then sway the committee to be like, well, we our

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eye test has now changed a bit, and if we're

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going to say all things are pretty equal here, then

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let's give the edge resume wise to BYU.

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Speaker 3: There.

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Speaker 4: I don't have a ton of faith that that would happen,

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but I at least would raise out of a possibility

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will that happen. I would not predict it. I mean,

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I like everybody else watched the first game. This year,

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I've seen a lot of Texas Tech. The problem really

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just is the defense, you know, I struggle to see

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how BYU is going to consistently move the ball on

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that defense. The other thing that it's you know, I

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mean it, it's been a distracting week, right. I know

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Kolanie's Ataki's not necessarily in the minutia on everything that's happening. Offensively,

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Aaron Roderick is handling a bunch of that, and certainly

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could well Kolani was dealing with whatever he needed to

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with Penn State. But I do think that's something you

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have to factor in at least a little bit. So

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I think the line seems about right. I think BYU

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will be more competitive. I don't think it's going to

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go exactly the same way it did last time, but

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I would probably predict an outcome that's similar to what

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the line is telling you there. I would take Texas

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Tech by ten to seventeen points, probably in a game

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that is moderately competitive, but not probably what you would

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need to get a boost in the rankings.

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Speaker 2: Unfortunately, So if that happens, and let's say, how far

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does BYU drop. What bowl game do you think they're

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going to do they think Alamo picks them up?

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Speaker 3: Is it a b Y U USC matchup?

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Speaker 2: Do they get relegated over to the Pop Tarch Bowl?

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Maybe a b YU Miami matchup? What's the ideal situation

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if Bwie's not in the College Football playoff?

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Speaker 3: Do you think?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, it's so hard to know what the like how

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the Bulls these days will handle that, because I mean,

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you're right, like the Alamo is obviously the thing that

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makes a lot of sense then being first up in

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the pecking order there, But if you just played in

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it last year, how much a deal is there on

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both sides? I mean, I do think BYU would still

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send a ton of fans. I don't think they would

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have to worry about attendance, which is a lot of

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what I think a bowl game would typically worry about.

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If you're going back to back there, like how many

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fans are actually going to go do that same trip again,

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I think it's a little litle bit different when you

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have such a you know, so many people with the

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LDS Church that are just going to be living there

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and want to go to the game no matter what.

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So maybe that makes it a bit more likely. But yeah,

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I almost think, you know, I mean, I hate saying

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it out loud. I mean the season by you's had

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nothing against the Pop Tars Bowl, but that it seems

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kind of disrespectful, you know, to think that that's where

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they could wind up. But if it is a matchup

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against Miami, that would at least be fun, depending on

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how many how many teams are playing, Like not just

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from a hey, Miami's a big brand standpoint, but also

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just from these were two of the teams that were

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really in the center of that playoff debate that kind

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of like, you know, I loved the idea of Vandy

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was trying to set up a game with Utah this week.

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Like I mean, it's in essence a game like that.

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Two teams that are right on the periphery of the

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playoff discussion, I think could be great to see them

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go play. So yeah, I think you're probably onto it

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there as to what the possibilities would really be. At

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least if it were the Alamo, you know, you wouldn't

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have to be playing a conference opponent again, so there

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is that that would be a little bit better.

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