WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.080 --> 00:00:04.759 As performers in the adult industry, we get asked all 2 00:00:04.759 --> 00:00:06.879 the time about tips on how to perform like a 3 00:00:06.919 --> 00:00:07.639 porn star. 4 00:00:07.839 --> 00:00:10.279 And what says porn star more than a big load? 5 00:00:10.640 --> 00:00:15.480 Right? Cool? Right? Introducing Popstar, the only doctor formulated men's 6 00:00:15.519 --> 00:00:18.440 health supplement that is guaranteed to up your porn star game. 7 00:00:18.800 --> 00:00:21.559 This bad boy will make your comtaste pineapple sweet. 8 00:00:21.679 --> 00:00:24.199 But we're not just talking about taste here. Popstar is 9 00:00:24.280 --> 00:00:27.000 also formulated to give you massive loads that make your 10 00:00:27.120 --> 00:00:28.719 orgasms feel volcanic. 11 00:00:29.120 --> 00:00:32.960 Designed by Ivy League trained doctors, Popstar contains only the 12 00:00:33.039 --> 00:00:36.640 highest quality ingredients and is backed by scientific research to 13 00:00:36.719 --> 00:00:39.520 maximize your bedroom experience even better. 14 00:00:39.640 --> 00:00:43.039 It's vegan, non GMO, and safe to take every day. 15 00:00:43.240 --> 00:00:46.000 So why wait? Get your hands on Popstar today. 16 00:00:46.240 --> 00:00:48.359 Visit Popstar Labs dot com. 17 00:00:48.039 --> 00:00:50.479 And save twenty percent on your first order with code 18 00:00:50.560 --> 00:01:04.480 Sorry twenty Popstar, Big loads, better taste you're listening to. 19 00:01:04.799 --> 00:01:08.599 Sorry for asking, Sorry for asking. I'm Cole Connor and 20 00:01:08.760 --> 00:01:13.200 I'm Adam Ramsey. This is where we talk, shop, ask questions. 21 00:01:12.799 --> 00:01:16.280 Tell stories, and laugh some laughs about being creators as 22 00:01:16.280 --> 00:01:18.239 well as consumers of adult content. 23 00:01:18.359 --> 00:01:19.319 We love watching too. 24 00:01:19.640 --> 00:01:23.359 We certainly do. We also discussed the impact adult films 25 00:01:23.400 --> 00:01:26.400 have had on us, on our guests, and on the 26 00:01:26.519 --> 00:01:28.239 LGBTQ community. 27 00:01:28.879 --> 00:01:31.760 So strap on and strap in and. 28 00:01:31.719 --> 00:01:32.560 Here we go. 29 00:01:40.519 --> 00:01:45.560 Hello, Hello, gooday, everybody, Good morning. Hi Cole, how's it going? 30 00:01:45.840 --> 00:01:46.319 Oh you know? 31 00:01:46.640 --> 00:01:50.560 Yeah, well yea, Hi everyone. I'm Adam Ramsey cold Connor. 32 00:01:50.599 --> 00:01:54.519 You're listening too. Sorry for asking the podcast where we 33 00:01:54.560 --> 00:01:55.120 where we. 34 00:01:55.200 --> 00:01:57.120 Talk about talk about porn and. 35 00:01:57.040 --> 00:02:01.439 Being gay, slots on camera and all that that entails. 36 00:02:02.599 --> 00:02:05.359 We are here on the on the the aftermath of 37 00:02:05.400 --> 00:02:06.680 a very weird night. 38 00:02:07.200 --> 00:02:08.240 Yeah. 39 00:02:08.360 --> 00:02:10.960 You know what I gotta say, I'm not that surprised. 40 00:02:11.080 --> 00:02:11.680 I guess. 41 00:02:12.560 --> 00:02:15.879 I guess I went into it thinking I don't like 42 00:02:17.520 --> 00:02:19.000 it could happen again, and it will. 43 00:02:19.800 --> 00:02:22.159 For those of you who don't know we're talking about 44 00:02:22.199 --> 00:02:25.560 we're talking about Kim Kardashian and Paris Hilt and I'm 45 00:02:25.599 --> 00:02:28.520 just kidding, we're talking about the elections. This is the 46 00:02:28.520 --> 00:02:31.479 morning after the elections, the time of this recording, and 47 00:02:31.639 --> 00:02:34.400 you know, tensions are I don't know, I feel that 48 00:02:34.439 --> 00:02:36.879 at this point. It's like I was really panic leading 49 00:02:36.919 --> 00:02:38.639 up to it, and now I'm kind of like. 50 00:02:38.759 --> 00:02:41.319 You know, what it happened. I'm just like it happened. 51 00:02:41.360 --> 00:02:42.680 At this point, we just have to take care of 52 00:02:42.680 --> 00:02:45.039 ourselves and each other and hope nothing horrible goes wrong 53 00:02:45.400 --> 00:02:48.599 and just hold on for the crazy ass ride. We've 54 00:02:48.639 --> 00:02:53.840 been there once, you know, we've been there. Yeah, jeez, AnyWho. 55 00:02:53.319 --> 00:02:55.039 I don't know. We thought it was like the worst 56 00:02:55.039 --> 00:02:55.919 thing then too. 57 00:02:56.560 --> 00:02:59.479 Yeah, Yeah, the stakes felt higher this time. But I mean, 58 00:02:59.520 --> 00:03:02.000 whatever here we are. 59 00:03:01.879 --> 00:03:04.159 They actually hire or is it where we made to 60 00:03:04.159 --> 00:03:04.560 feel that? 61 00:03:05.439 --> 00:03:06.919 I don't even care enough to talk about it. 62 00:03:06.960 --> 00:03:07.159 We have. 63 00:03:07.680 --> 00:03:09.960 What I care about is our is our very handsome 64 00:03:10.000 --> 00:03:13.000 guest who I've been wanting to get on this podcast 65 00:03:13.000 --> 00:03:14.719 for a while and I'm very excited. 66 00:03:15.319 --> 00:03:22.439 Please everybody welcome Davy Wavy. Hi, Davy. Hey, can you 67 00:03:22.479 --> 00:03:22.759 hear us? 68 00:03:22.800 --> 00:03:24.879 Okay, okay, you sound great. 69 00:03:25.000 --> 00:03:27.439 You sound great, You look great. Tell us about this 70 00:03:27.520 --> 00:03:30.479 background right now? Well, it's my living room, your living 71 00:03:30.520 --> 00:03:33.400 room where I feel like in Rhode Island. 72 00:03:33.919 --> 00:03:35.199 Yeah, it's giving cabin. 73 00:03:35.599 --> 00:03:36.240 I love it. 74 00:03:36.800 --> 00:03:37.879 Yeah, it's very rustic. 75 00:03:37.919 --> 00:03:41.360 This is my little highway away from you know, all 76 00:03:41.400 --> 00:03:43.719 the excitement of filming gay porn. 77 00:03:43.840 --> 00:03:45.280 I just kind of hang out here with my cat. 78 00:03:45.479 --> 00:03:47.680 Yes, do you still have your palm Springs home? Too? 79 00:03:47.960 --> 00:03:48.560 No, I don't. 80 00:03:48.639 --> 00:03:50.479 I sold it a couple of years ago. So I'm 81 00:03:50.479 --> 00:03:51.879 here in Rhode Island full time. 82 00:03:52.199 --> 00:03:53.039 My family's nearby. 83 00:03:53.199 --> 00:03:55.000 Yeah, I love them. You're from Rhode Island. 84 00:03:55.560 --> 00:03:56.599 Yeah, yeah. 85 00:03:56.639 --> 00:03:58.240 Most of the people that I love are out here, 86 00:03:58.479 --> 00:04:00.919 and yeah, just kind of it feels important to stay 87 00:04:00.919 --> 00:04:02.719 grounded and connected with them. 88 00:04:02.919 --> 00:04:03.520 You know. It's funny. 89 00:04:03.520 --> 00:04:05.159 I feel like I've been having a lot of conversations 90 00:04:05.240 --> 00:04:08.000 lately with people where I feel like, as we you know, 91 00:04:08.240 --> 00:04:12.039 enter our forties and beyond, a lot of people are 92 00:04:12.360 --> 00:04:15.080 very future minded about where they want to plant themselves. 93 00:04:15.120 --> 00:04:16.399 I feel like I've been hearing a lot of people 94 00:04:16.519 --> 00:04:20.800 leaving Los Angeles, leaving San Francisco, moving closer to family, 95 00:04:21.000 --> 00:04:23.800 or going to places where they can actually afford property. 96 00:04:24.480 --> 00:04:28.279 Totally. Yeah, I own this house like it's in Los Angeles. 97 00:04:28.680 --> 00:04:32.279 Also, like there are parts of Los Angeles, aspects of 98 00:04:32.279 --> 00:04:35.000 Los Angeles that I loved. I just never felt and 99 00:04:35.040 --> 00:04:37.040 this might be more on me than Los Angeles, but 100 00:04:37.079 --> 00:04:41.399 I never found my tribe. I never found my people there. 101 00:04:41.480 --> 00:04:44.519 And on weekends I would go to Palm Springs, which is, 102 00:04:44.800 --> 00:04:47.079 you know, an older crowd, more kind of like the 103 00:04:47.079 --> 00:04:48.439 Bearer community. 104 00:04:48.040 --> 00:04:52.079 People who eat food that was. That was definitely more 105 00:04:52.519 --> 00:04:54.160 my cup of tea. So that was kind of my 106 00:04:54.240 --> 00:04:56.199 gradual move from. 107 00:04:56.160 --> 00:04:58.680 Oh, well that was your problem and going to Palm 108 00:04:58.720 --> 00:05:01.399 Springs every weekend. Of course you're not going to find 109 00:05:01.399 --> 00:05:03.360 your tribe in La if you got a Palm Springs 110 00:05:03.360 --> 00:05:03.920 every weekend. 111 00:05:04.040 --> 00:05:06.920 Well, and also, if from what I'm hearing is correct, 112 00:05:07.000 --> 00:05:09.240 you hang out with people who don't eat food. Is 113 00:05:09.279 --> 00:05:12.800 that what you're saying Los Angeles? Your Los Angeles experience 114 00:05:12.920 --> 00:05:13.639 was that was my. 115 00:05:13.639 --> 00:05:16.759 Los Angeles experience? Yeah, very much so. Yeah, so it 116 00:05:16.839 --> 00:05:18.519 was not it was not my cup of tea. 117 00:05:18.600 --> 00:05:19.560 How long did you live here? 118 00:05:20.040 --> 00:05:20.879 A couple of years. 119 00:05:21.399 --> 00:05:23.600 But like, I'm more of a nature guy, Like I 120 00:05:23.600 --> 00:05:26.160 don't drink, I don't party, like I don't go to bars. 121 00:05:26.240 --> 00:05:29.480 I'm really boring. I'm boring and very much an old soul. 122 00:05:29.600 --> 00:05:31.800 So Palm Springs is a better fit, but Rhode Island 123 00:05:31.839 --> 00:05:32.319 even better. 124 00:05:32.560 --> 00:05:34.160 Yeah. Where in the state are you? 125 00:05:35.160 --> 00:05:38.079 Like? It's so small, doesn't really have parts. People always 126 00:05:38.120 --> 00:05:39.240 ask that, and I'm like, well. 127 00:05:39.439 --> 00:05:41.680 They're like, none of your business. Actually I don't need 128 00:05:41.680 --> 00:05:42.680 you to come and looking for me. 129 00:05:43.319 --> 00:05:45.720 No, it's more than it's like it's thirty minutes across 130 00:05:45.759 --> 00:05:48.240 the state. So I'm kind of just like, yeah, I'm 131 00:05:48.240 --> 00:05:50.439 near Providence, as every place in Rhode Island is. 132 00:05:50.720 --> 00:05:52.879 What was it like growing up in Rhode Island or 133 00:05:52.959 --> 00:05:54.279 in your part of Rhode Island. 134 00:05:54.560 --> 00:05:55.360 I really like it here. 135 00:05:55.399 --> 00:05:58.360 I know it's not cool to like really love the 136 00:05:58.399 --> 00:06:00.959 place that you grew up in. But it has beaches, 137 00:06:01.040 --> 00:06:02.800 it's close to the mountains if you like to ski. 138 00:06:02.959 --> 00:06:07.480 We have four seasons. It's a progressive community relatively speaking. 139 00:06:08.160 --> 00:06:10.240 And there's a really great food scene here in Providence. 140 00:06:10.560 --> 00:06:13.639 A lot of universities here, so there's like this really 141 00:06:13.639 --> 00:06:15.519 cool creative culture. 142 00:06:16.360 --> 00:06:19.399 It's not a bad place. It's actually really. 143 00:06:19.399 --> 00:06:20.839 Have you ever been to Rhode Island? 144 00:06:20.920 --> 00:06:23.120 I have been, right, Yeah, I've been through. 145 00:06:23.120 --> 00:06:25.439 On a road trip, I stopped in Providence and it 146 00:06:25.519 --> 00:06:26.879 was beautiful from what I remember. 147 00:06:27.560 --> 00:06:28.839 What did you do in Providence? 148 00:06:28.959 --> 00:06:29.399 I was with. 149 00:06:29.439 --> 00:06:31.519 Family, so we just kind of like bopped around and 150 00:06:31.560 --> 00:06:33.800 looked at sites and ate food and then does. 151 00:06:33.680 --> 00:06:35.800 It look like does it look like Provincetown. 152 00:06:36.279 --> 00:06:38.639 No, there's parts of it that do. But Providence is 153 00:06:38.680 --> 00:06:39.879 like a small city. 154 00:06:40.160 --> 00:06:43.879 Yeah, it's bigger than Province Town certainly, right, Like from 155 00:06:43.920 --> 00:06:45.720 my memory, it's more of a city than it is 156 00:06:45.759 --> 00:06:48.079 a little beachside cape. 157 00:06:48.199 --> 00:06:48.360 Yah. 158 00:06:48.680 --> 00:06:50.600 A million people here, a million? Wow? 159 00:06:50.800 --> 00:06:53.959 Yeah. I keep every time I hear Providence, I think 160 00:06:54.040 --> 00:06:56.439 of a thirty Rock line where Queen Latifa says she 161 00:06:56.439 --> 00:06:59.199 she plays like the mayor of Providence or something, or 162 00:06:59.360 --> 00:07:03.199 or the governor Rhode Island. Queen Latifa in one episode 163 00:07:03.240 --> 00:07:05.600 of thirty Rock, and she's talking like in her like 164 00:07:05.639 --> 00:07:08.199 politician voice about Providence. And she's like, and we also 165 00:07:08.279 --> 00:07:12.839 have a flourishing, thriving Italian criminal community. 166 00:07:14.399 --> 00:07:15.480 Is that actually true? 167 00:07:16.040 --> 00:07:18.199 Very very true? Yeah, it was like the mod headquarters 168 00:07:18.199 --> 00:07:18.759 in New England. 169 00:07:18.959 --> 00:07:19.439 Wow. 170 00:07:19.839 --> 00:07:22.360 It's also very Catholic. So like when I grew up, 171 00:07:22.399 --> 00:07:24.839 I went to Catholic high school. I went to an 172 00:07:24.839 --> 00:07:25.560 all boys school. 173 00:07:26.639 --> 00:07:28.240 But were you Catholic or your family? 174 00:07:28.600 --> 00:07:33.879 My family was Catholic. Yeah, that never got molested. Oh fortunately, yeah, 175 00:07:34.600 --> 00:07:38.600 was just too eager. They were like too bad. 176 00:07:39.759 --> 00:07:42.160 But yeah, I went through Catholic high school and we 177 00:07:42.199 --> 00:07:46.079 did like the Confessions and oh man, it was that 178 00:07:46.199 --> 00:07:48.319 was a lot to go through. 179 00:07:48.399 --> 00:07:50.920 But you know, did you struggle as like a young 180 00:07:51.040 --> 00:07:51.519 gay boy. 181 00:07:51.879 --> 00:07:54.120 I did, Like there were so many instances of being 182 00:07:54.199 --> 00:07:56.759 in like Catholic high school I remember this. We had 183 00:07:56.800 --> 00:07:59.879 to do it a confession every month, and I remember 184 00:08:00.480 --> 00:08:04.240 literally being in like a closet with this priest and like, 185 00:08:04.279 --> 00:08:06.720 you couldn't even write this. And you know, he had 186 00:08:06.720 --> 00:08:08.360 this big belly and he kind of had his hands 187 00:08:08.439 --> 00:08:11.199 up like this. And these priests when they do the confess, 188 00:08:11.240 --> 00:08:12.319 they're like in full drag. 189 00:08:12.399 --> 00:08:12.560 You know. 190 00:08:12.600 --> 00:08:16.439 He has like the red slippers, the you know, the 191 00:08:16.480 --> 00:08:20.680 tunic with the gold embroidering, and and he's asking me 192 00:08:20.720 --> 00:08:23.720 to confess, and I said something about having like relations 193 00:08:23.720 --> 00:08:26.920 with the boy, and he was like he kind of 194 00:08:26.959 --> 00:08:29.560 just like perked right up and he was like, oh, well, well, 195 00:08:29.680 --> 00:08:31.079 what did you do? And I was like, oh, I 196 00:08:31.079 --> 00:08:33.200 think God probably knows what I did. 197 00:08:33.440 --> 00:08:34.080 Wow. 198 00:08:34.519 --> 00:08:37.080 And he was like, well, a vague confession gets a 199 00:08:37.159 --> 00:08:38.240 vague forgiveness, so. 200 00:08:38.159 --> 00:08:41.039 You need to tell me the details. And I was like, this. 201 00:08:41.039 --> 00:08:48.279 Queen, Wow, a vague confession gets a vague forgiveness. 202 00:08:49.200 --> 00:08:51.679 He's used that line before the title. 203 00:08:52.519 --> 00:08:56.519 He has used that line to get more drama out 204 00:08:56.519 --> 00:08:57.039 of his. 205 00:08:57.399 --> 00:08:59.720 What do you call it confessions? 206 00:09:00.080 --> 00:09:02.600 Yeah sure, yeah, yeah, And feel free to take that 207 00:09:02.600 --> 00:09:03.279 line and run with it. 208 00:09:03.279 --> 00:09:05.440 I know you, I like played priest before. 209 00:09:05.559 --> 00:09:08.480 I've played priest twice, and I've actually won an award 210 00:09:08.519 --> 00:09:10.879 for one of my performances as a priest, not the 211 00:09:10.879 --> 00:09:11.639 one you'd expect. 212 00:09:12.080 --> 00:09:15.120 I've never I always play like a like a guard 213 00:09:15.320 --> 00:09:19.399 or like a prison warden. You like, I I think 214 00:09:19.559 --> 00:09:21.480 I think I have. I think I'm playing a doctor 215 00:09:22.039 --> 00:09:26.679 later finally, Yeah, Like people always ask if I'm a 216 00:09:26.720 --> 00:09:30.840 doctor tattoo and they're like, oh, are you a doctor 217 00:09:30.919 --> 00:09:33.039 or nurse? I'm like, no, I'm also not a fucking 218 00:09:33.120 --> 00:09:35.279 koala and I point out my koala tattoo. 219 00:09:35.879 --> 00:09:37.480 You get very at this. 220 00:09:37.679 --> 00:09:42.440 I don't like people asking me about my tattoos. I 221 00:09:42.440 --> 00:09:44.159 think it's I think it's invasive. 222 00:09:45.000 --> 00:09:48.519 Yeah, yes, I played a I played a priest in 223 00:09:48.600 --> 00:09:50.039 one cocky Boys movie and it was. 224 00:09:49.960 --> 00:09:51.600 A very serious movie. 225 00:09:51.879 --> 00:09:53.840 And then I played a priest in a in a 226 00:09:54.000 --> 00:09:56.679 naked sword raging, stalling movie that was written by Jackie 227 00:09:56.720 --> 00:10:00.080 beat so it was a very jokey, silly like. I 228 00:10:00.080 --> 00:10:03.200 played a horny priest that was basically just trying to. 229 00:10:03.120 --> 00:10:05.279 Find the one that was trying to get a confession 230 00:10:05.279 --> 00:10:05.840 out of David. 231 00:10:06.000 --> 00:10:06.399 That was me. 232 00:10:06.639 --> 00:10:07.639 Yes, oh maybe it was. 233 00:10:07.720 --> 00:10:08.639 Maybe it was a scene. 234 00:10:08.720 --> 00:10:11.440 Yeah, yeah, but. 235 00:10:11.480 --> 00:10:14.240 Adam, you have the I think the emotional gravitas to 236 00:10:14.919 --> 00:10:17.840 like the spiritual weight right to play a priest. 237 00:10:17.840 --> 00:10:18.840 I think it's good casting. 238 00:10:18.919 --> 00:10:20.960 I think so it worked out great. I love that 239 00:10:21.039 --> 00:10:24.080 Cockyboys movie. I feel like that's some of my best 240 00:10:24.120 --> 00:10:26.639 work as an actor. I think actually some of my 241 00:10:26.639 --> 00:10:29.360 best work as an actor was in a Himorrhos movie 242 00:10:29.360 --> 00:10:33.600 as well. Journeys, which we can get into later, because 243 00:10:33.600 --> 00:10:35.000 I want to keep asking a little bit. 244 00:10:35.039 --> 00:10:37.080 Well. First of all, I do have a photo that 245 00:10:37.120 --> 00:10:39.559 I would like to pull up. Oh God, if you 246 00:10:39.559 --> 00:10:41.080 don't mind, Okay, this was. 247 00:10:41.240 --> 00:10:45.159 This was a screenshot from your first It's listed as 248 00:10:45.200 --> 00:10:47.960 your first ever YouTube video. I don't know if that's true. 249 00:10:48.399 --> 00:10:51.720 It is true, Davy, did you drink the potion? That's 250 00:10:51.799 --> 00:10:57.039 seventeen years ago? You look the absolute same. What is 251 00:10:57.159 --> 00:10:58.039 happening here? 252 00:10:58.159 --> 00:11:00.519 I don't know what's happening. I think it's because I 253 00:11:00.519 --> 00:11:02.080 don't drink and I go to bed early. 254 00:11:02.519 --> 00:11:05.200 That could do it? Are you well hydrated, well rested? 255 00:11:05.399 --> 00:11:05.720 Oh? 256 00:11:05.799 --> 00:11:06.039 Yeah? 257 00:11:06.039 --> 00:11:06.320 All that? 258 00:11:06.440 --> 00:11:06.639 Yeah? 259 00:11:06.679 --> 00:11:08.879 That was That was in Washington, d C. I used 260 00:11:08.919 --> 00:11:12.120 to work at a nonprofit called Family Equality Council, which 261 00:11:12.120 --> 00:11:15.360 advocated for gay and lesbian parents, and I was their 262 00:11:15.759 --> 00:11:19.200 online marketing manager. And they gave me a webcam and 263 00:11:19.240 --> 00:11:20.960 so I went home and like played with it, and 264 00:11:21.000 --> 00:11:24.200 there was this new website called YouTube and I heard that. 265 00:11:24.320 --> 00:11:25.720 Yes, yeah, and. 266 00:11:25.639 --> 00:11:27.000 So I was like, well, let me make a video. 267 00:11:27.120 --> 00:11:28.679 And I think in the first couple of videos, I 268 00:11:28.759 --> 00:11:32.080 just talked about books that I was reading. I mean, 269 00:11:32.120 --> 00:11:35.600 they're terrible, like there's no editing, the sound is off. 270 00:11:35.679 --> 00:11:37.720 But it was like my seventh or eighth video. I 271 00:11:37.759 --> 00:11:41.080 had moved to Toronto for the summer and I looked 272 00:11:41.120 --> 00:11:44.399 out my window. My neighbor was jerking off and it 273 00:11:44.480 --> 00:11:47.080 turned out that he kind of in hindsight, I think 274 00:11:47.080 --> 00:11:50.240 he was like a webcam boy, but he every day 275 00:11:50.240 --> 00:11:52.600 at four o'clock he would jerk off, and I made 276 00:11:52.600 --> 00:11:56.039 a YouTube video about it, and for early YouTube, it 277 00:11:56.120 --> 00:11:57.799 went as viral. 278 00:11:57.480 --> 00:12:00.679 As a video could go back then launched my career. 279 00:12:01.480 --> 00:12:03.279 So yeah, so you were. 280 00:12:03.320 --> 00:12:05.639 I mean, that's like when people when I talk about 281 00:12:05.639 --> 00:12:08.720 you and my experience in Himorros, I always explain and 282 00:12:08.720 --> 00:12:10.600 tell me this is correct, that you were one of 283 00:12:10.639 --> 00:12:14.519 the earlier YouTube users who was able to monetize his content. 284 00:12:14.639 --> 00:12:15.320 Is that correct? 285 00:12:15.639 --> 00:12:15.840 Yeah? 286 00:12:15.879 --> 00:12:17.519 And well, and thank god I was early, because I 287 00:12:17.600 --> 00:12:20.759 wasn't good like it was. It was just kind of 288 00:12:20.799 --> 00:12:23.320 like the first person to arrive at the party. The 289 00:12:23.360 --> 00:12:25.960 first couple of years I did it, you couldn't even monetize. 290 00:12:26.919 --> 00:12:29.360 Google hadn't even bought YouTube yet. Once they did, they 291 00:12:29.360 --> 00:12:32.159 started running ads and that was a, you know, a 292 00:12:32.159 --> 00:12:34.320 big game changer. Of course, now people go in with 293 00:12:34.360 --> 00:12:37.720 the intention of making money. I just really wanted to 294 00:12:37.759 --> 00:12:40.440 document these experiences that I was having in life. And 295 00:12:40.960 --> 00:12:44.759 at first when people started following and commenting, I remember 296 00:12:44.840 --> 00:12:49.320 initially like turning the comments off and being like I 297 00:12:49.360 --> 00:12:51.879 don't want this, Like I didn't ask these people their opinion, 298 00:12:52.279 --> 00:12:55.600 what's going on here? And then realizing at some point, oh, 299 00:12:55.639 --> 00:12:59.360 like this is kind of there's an opportunity here, there's engagement, 300 00:12:59.360 --> 00:13:01.120 there's a community that's being built. 301 00:13:01.279 --> 00:13:03.840 What changed it for you where you like actually wanted 302 00:13:03.840 --> 00:13:05.120 to engage with the people. 303 00:13:05.679 --> 00:13:10.279 God this sounds so like righteous in earnest, but I realized, 304 00:13:10.360 --> 00:13:14.039 coming from this like nonprofit background, that I was. 305 00:13:13.960 --> 00:13:15.960 Reaching more people through my YouTube. 306 00:13:15.720 --> 00:13:18.879 Channel than I was through like the work that I 307 00:13:18.919 --> 00:13:21.799 was doing at this nonprofit. And I think I felt 308 00:13:21.879 --> 00:13:26.039 something of a responsibility to create content that contributed to 309 00:13:26.080 --> 00:13:30.480 this community. And initially my content wasn't particularly dirty. It 310 00:13:30.480 --> 00:13:32.759 was a lot about coming out of the closet talking 311 00:13:32.759 --> 00:13:35.279 to family and friends, which is as a twenty three 312 00:13:35.360 --> 00:13:38.200 year old, which I was in that picture. That's the 313 00:13:38.200 --> 00:13:41.279 stuff that I was navigating. As I got older, you know, 314 00:13:41.320 --> 00:13:44.200 into my thirties and forty one, now it became more 315 00:13:44.200 --> 00:13:46.679 interesting for me to talk about sex because that was 316 00:13:46.759 --> 00:13:49.879 the personal journey that I was on. So I guess 317 00:13:49.919 --> 00:13:52.320 I've just always made the content about the things that 318 00:13:52.360 --> 00:13:53.039 I was interested in. 319 00:13:53.159 --> 00:13:55.440 So it was essentially a video diary that you were 320 00:13:55.480 --> 00:13:57.480 just sharing with the world, and it caught on. 321 00:13:58.360 --> 00:14:01.240 Yeah, and and wasn't even a shirt with the world. 322 00:14:01.279 --> 00:14:03.240 I just thought in twenty years would be fun to 323 00:14:03.240 --> 00:14:04.919 look back and see where I was or what was 324 00:14:04.919 --> 00:14:05.559 important to me. 325 00:14:05.879 --> 00:14:07.519 Wow, that's really how it turned out. 326 00:14:07.559 --> 00:14:10.840 Do you That just aspired a question for me, like, 327 00:14:11.440 --> 00:14:13.960 do you find that you became more sexual in your 328 00:14:14.000 --> 00:14:15.679 thirties than you were in your twenties. 329 00:14:16.000 --> 00:14:17.759 I think I was hornier in my twenties than I 330 00:14:17.799 --> 00:14:20.000 was in my thirties, but I think by my thirties 331 00:14:20.600 --> 00:14:22.639 I was like, God, there's got to be more to 332 00:14:22.840 --> 00:14:27.080 this than what's being presented. And I think I also 333 00:14:27.279 --> 00:14:31.039 started to become better equipped with the language to talk 334 00:14:31.080 --> 00:14:35.840 about sex and sexuality and what I was experiencing. There 335 00:14:35.840 --> 00:14:38.679 were a few things that happened, these kind of tantric 336 00:14:38.759 --> 00:14:42.200 experiences that opened the door a little bit, and I 337 00:14:42.320 --> 00:14:45.200 was like, fuck, Like, I think I'm gonna walk through 338 00:14:45.720 --> 00:14:48.639 and do this. It's YouTube. A lot of my audience 339 00:14:48.759 --> 00:14:52.840 was young, like teenage girls. They were like, hey, yeah, 340 00:14:52.879 --> 00:14:55.799 we're not here for this journey is what we signed 341 00:14:55.879 --> 00:14:58.440 up for, which is fine. I think I kind of 342 00:14:58.440 --> 00:14:59.039 augree them. 343 00:14:59.279 --> 00:15:01.159 But do you find it once you became a lot 344 00:15:01.240 --> 00:15:03.799 more open about the sexual side of things, that you 345 00:15:04.320 --> 00:15:06.279 kind of opened the door to a whole new audience. 346 00:15:06.360 --> 00:15:08.559 Did your audience grow, did it shrink? Did it take 347 00:15:08.600 --> 00:15:11.559 a while for that to hit? How did that process 348 00:15:11.639 --> 00:15:12.120 go for you? 349 00:15:12.639 --> 00:15:15.679 The audience definitely shifted, and it shifted older, it shifted 350 00:15:15.679 --> 00:15:19.759 more mail, shifted more queer. Now YouTube is a smaller 351 00:15:19.799 --> 00:15:23.639 piece of the puzzle for me. I still make content, 352 00:15:23.759 --> 00:15:27.879 but YouTube's also changed. The algorithms have changed, yea, how 353 00:15:27.919 --> 00:15:31.799 they measure engagement. It's all kind of a different cup 354 00:15:31.840 --> 00:15:34.840 of tea. And I'm totally at peace with the fact 355 00:15:34.879 --> 00:15:37.320 that I'm like, I'm on the other side of my 356 00:15:38.039 --> 00:15:43.279 relevancy curve on YouTube. But I think for the folks 357 00:15:43.279 --> 00:15:46.799 that are really interested in this content, it's still interesting 358 00:15:46.840 --> 00:15:49.879 for them to follow along and see behind the scenes 359 00:15:49.919 --> 00:15:52.200 of a Himorrhos film that we're making, or get like 360 00:15:52.240 --> 00:15:55.279 a producer's commentary for a scene that we released, or 361 00:15:55.320 --> 00:15:58.919 talk about what really happens and the role Trimex can 362 00:15:58.919 --> 00:16:02.360 play and how good sex might differ from what people 363 00:16:02.399 --> 00:16:03.919 see see on screen. 364 00:16:04.519 --> 00:16:07.159 Yeah, when did you start Hemorrhos? 365 00:16:07.639 --> 00:16:12.200 We just celebrated the seventh anniversary. It feels longer than 366 00:16:12.240 --> 00:16:15.600 that because we for a lot of reasons, but we 367 00:16:15.639 --> 00:16:18.080 also started filming earlier than that so that I'd have 368 00:16:18.440 --> 00:16:20.639 a library of content to like. 369 00:16:21.600 --> 00:16:23.519 So when we launched, it wasn't like here's one video, 370 00:16:24.759 --> 00:16:25.559 maybe I'll make another. 371 00:16:25.679 --> 00:16:28.519 Yeah, So it's been like a probably eight and a 372 00:16:28.519 --> 00:16:29.639 half nine years. 373 00:16:29.879 --> 00:16:32.840 For our listeners who may not know, can you tell 374 00:16:33.000 --> 00:16:35.519 us what Hemorrhos is, what's the brand and kind of 375 00:16:35.519 --> 00:16:36.279 how it started? 376 00:16:36.679 --> 00:16:36.840 You know. 377 00:16:36.879 --> 00:16:39.720 What's fucking funny is like I'm still terrible at talking 378 00:16:39.759 --> 00:16:43.440 about what Hemorrhos really is. Yeah, I am, because it's 379 00:16:43.519 --> 00:16:46.440 like there's a part of me that's like, Okay, the 380 00:16:46.440 --> 00:16:49.080 tagline we often use is like, Okay, it's like porn 381 00:16:49.120 --> 00:16:51.960 but better, and it's. 382 00:16:51.799 --> 00:16:53.159 Like, well, what the fuck does that mean? 383 00:16:53.399 --> 00:16:55.279 And a lot of times people will be like, oh, well, 384 00:16:55.320 --> 00:16:59.039 it's kind of like consciously created porn or mindful porn, 385 00:16:59.759 --> 00:17:02.159 or I've heard the term grass fed porn. 386 00:17:02.440 --> 00:17:04.480 I use the word intentional like that. 387 00:17:04.480 --> 00:17:06.720 That's a word that I use often to describe himros 388 00:17:06.759 --> 00:17:07.200 dot TV. 389 00:17:07.920 --> 00:17:09.000 Intentional about what. 390 00:17:09.640 --> 00:17:11.720 Just in what it's delivering and what it has to 391 00:17:11.759 --> 00:17:13.160 say about sexual connection. 392 00:17:13.480 --> 00:17:15.759 It's you know, a lot of the content. 393 00:17:15.480 --> 00:17:20.400 Does that have to say about about it? What are 394 00:17:20.440 --> 00:17:22.799 you intentionally trying to say about it? 395 00:17:23.519 --> 00:17:26.400 So, just to back up, when we film a project, 396 00:17:26.559 --> 00:17:29.240 we hire a sex coach and we'll go to usually 397 00:17:29.279 --> 00:17:31.799 a really remote location, will film twelve scenes and they're 398 00:17:31.799 --> 00:17:35.279 connected to some larger like kind of umbrella theme. So 399 00:17:35.680 --> 00:17:40.799 we just did a scene where we reimagined fairy tales 400 00:17:40.839 --> 00:17:44.160 through a queer lens. So we reclaimed a lot of 401 00:17:44.200 --> 00:17:48.960 the narratives through this gay, erotic lens. So with like 402 00:17:49.079 --> 00:17:51.799 Beauty and the Beast, instead of Belle going to the 403 00:17:51.839 --> 00:17:55.839 castle and being a victim of Stockholm syndrome and being 404 00:17:55.880 --> 00:17:58.559 subversive because she reads and then fucking a water buffalo. 405 00:17:59.079 --> 00:18:03.240 In our version, the boy goes to the castle and 406 00:18:03.640 --> 00:18:06.599 every time he passes a mirror, he sees a reflection 407 00:18:06.680 --> 00:18:09.599 of himself as the beast. So it's this idea that, like, 408 00:18:09.640 --> 00:18:11.880 the beast is not something else, but it's the shadow 409 00:18:11.960 --> 00:18:12.799 side of our own. 410 00:18:12.640 --> 00:18:13.440 Self, which we all have. 411 00:18:14.519 --> 00:18:16.759 And in the scene the beast steps through the mirror, 412 00:18:17.279 --> 00:18:20.720 they have this really intimate you know they fought they had. 413 00:18:21.400 --> 00:18:22.319 It's very beautiful. 414 00:18:22.359 --> 00:18:26.000 But the idea is that instead of running from your shadow, 415 00:18:26.119 --> 00:18:29.000 keeping it locked away, it's about integrating your shadow, learning 416 00:18:29.079 --> 00:18:34.079 from it. So each scene kind of has this message 417 00:18:34.079 --> 00:18:37.000 in it that we collaborate on with the sex and 418 00:18:37.039 --> 00:18:41.720 Intimacy coach, And even when we're filming, like each day 419 00:18:41.759 --> 00:18:45.559 starts with the workshop and the coach works with the 420 00:18:45.559 --> 00:18:49.920 models to help facilitate connections and to connect them with 421 00:18:49.960 --> 00:18:53.960 the content we're filming that day. I also get that 422 00:18:54.240 --> 00:18:58.079 for most models creating porn, they're not interested in that. 423 00:18:59.400 --> 00:19:01.759 It's like I just want to show up, I want 424 00:19:01.759 --> 00:19:03.839 to fuck, I want to get my check. Yeah, this 425 00:19:03.920 --> 00:19:08.359 is more about a willingness to go a little bit 426 00:19:08.480 --> 00:19:09.920 on a sexual. 427 00:19:09.480 --> 00:19:11.319 Journey of discovery. 428 00:19:11.440 --> 00:19:14.559 Sometimes stuff comes up for folks, it's kind of opening 429 00:19:14.599 --> 00:19:19.000 this door. But it's an opportunity to create something that 430 00:19:19.480 --> 00:19:22.119 maybe feels like it has a little bit of a message, 431 00:19:22.200 --> 00:19:25.480 or that might feel more authentic to the to the 432 00:19:25.480 --> 00:19:29.279 models and the scene. But again, it's not for everyone, right, 433 00:19:29.400 --> 00:19:31.160 but I think for people who are sick and tired 434 00:19:31.200 --> 00:19:33.720 of mainstream porn, it's a really great alternative. 435 00:19:34.440 --> 00:19:36.240 Do you find that there's a lot of vetting of 436 00:19:36.279 --> 00:19:38.119 the models before a project? 437 00:19:39.000 --> 00:19:41.440 Yeah, and I'm really shitty at it. 438 00:19:41.599 --> 00:19:45.759 So, like I used to interview models for the scenes, 439 00:19:45.759 --> 00:19:47.519 and you get on the phone and it's like, yeah, 440 00:19:47.680 --> 00:19:50.920 like are you comfortable stepping into your authenticity on camera? 441 00:19:51.039 --> 00:19:52.559 Like is that going to be really fun for you? 442 00:19:53.160 --> 00:19:54.079 And everyone's just like oh. 443 00:19:54.079 --> 00:19:56.640 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, oh for sure, for sure, Yeah. 444 00:19:56.440 --> 00:19:57.920 I can do that. That's really awesome. 445 00:19:58.519 --> 00:19:59.839 And then you get on set and you know, the 446 00:20:00.279 --> 00:20:02.400 exercise they do in the workshop is like eye gazing, 447 00:20:02.480 --> 00:20:07.119 and someone's like, I'm out, you know. So now we 448 00:20:07.200 --> 00:20:09.559 work through referrals. So if there's a model that we 449 00:20:09.599 --> 00:20:12.559 really like, like we just shot a scene with with 450 00:20:12.599 --> 00:20:16.279 Joonah Wheeler, and it's like, who's awesome, And it's like Jonah, 451 00:20:16.319 --> 00:20:18.119 hey do you have other people that you've worked with 452 00:20:18.160 --> 00:20:20.920 who you think would be receptive to this approach, who 453 00:20:20.920 --> 00:20:23.640 aren't going to roll their eyes when we do a 454 00:20:23.720 --> 00:20:26.559 workshop and they have to talk about their feelings, right, 455 00:20:26.640 --> 00:20:27.359 And that's been better. 456 00:20:27.440 --> 00:20:28.559 That's been a better process. 457 00:20:29.039 --> 00:20:32.720 Yeah, So how do you find the sex coach like 458 00:20:33.960 --> 00:20:35.000 that works with the. 459 00:20:36.000 --> 00:20:39.480 Yeah, it's been pretty organic. We started with just a couple. 460 00:20:39.960 --> 00:20:44.640 There's all these like sacred intimates and tantric instructors. There's 461 00:20:44.720 --> 00:20:46.960 a handful of these folks kind of sprinkled throughout the 462 00:20:47.000 --> 00:20:50.759 country and they do workshops often through like Eastern Mountain 463 00:20:50.839 --> 00:20:54.119 and Upstate York or the Body Electric School. Some of 464 00:20:54.200 --> 00:20:56.880 them have their own practices and they are also really 465 00:20:56.920 --> 00:21:00.160 connected with one another and will sometimes refer me to 466 00:21:00.200 --> 00:21:03.200 someone else or because we've been doing this for a while. 467 00:21:03.599 --> 00:21:06.839 Like Don Shein, who does a lot of projects with 468 00:21:06.880 --> 00:21:10.160 the Body Electric School, he reached out to me and 469 00:21:10.240 --> 00:21:13.039 he was like, Hey, you know, I'm a rounder guy, 470 00:21:13.200 --> 00:21:16.519 I'm a furrier guy. I have this idea of shooting 471 00:21:16.519 --> 00:21:19.160 a project at a gay campground. It was really fundamental 472 00:21:19.519 --> 00:21:23.440 to me coming into my own skin as a younger guy, 473 00:21:23.599 --> 00:21:25.640 and I would like to write some scenes that we 474 00:21:25.640 --> 00:21:27.759 could film, and I was like, yeah, let's chat about it, 475 00:21:27.799 --> 00:21:30.720 and then we filmed that over the summer out in 476 00:21:31.720 --> 00:21:35.160 rural Missouri at Serenity Farms campground. 477 00:21:36.279 --> 00:21:38.759 I've worked with him ros I want to say, like 478 00:21:38.839 --> 00:21:41.640 maybe six times now, and like it has been some 479 00:21:41.720 --> 00:21:46.119 of the most challenging work I've done as an adult 480 00:21:46.400 --> 00:21:49.559 film actor, as well as some of the most rewarding. 481 00:21:50.359 --> 00:21:53.240 I remember when I met you, and just to give 482 00:21:53.279 --> 00:21:55.440 you call this like little bit of background, I met 483 00:21:55.559 --> 00:21:59.680 Davey at the Gay Ends, I want to say, in 484 00:22:00.400 --> 00:22:04.400 eighteen when they first came back. You were giving the 485 00:22:04.519 --> 00:22:08.200 keynote address like the day before the Awards show. 486 00:22:08.480 --> 00:22:09.160 Do you remember this? 487 00:22:09.799 --> 00:22:11.359 Yeah, it was like the brunch. 488 00:22:11.480 --> 00:22:13.960 It was like the brunch before the show kind of, 489 00:22:14.359 --> 00:22:15.920 and Davy, you were asked to speak. 490 00:22:16.000 --> 00:22:16.720 Do you remember what. 491 00:22:16.799 --> 00:22:20.079 I'm just curious just so I know what the prompt 492 00:22:20.200 --> 00:22:23.440 was that they gave you, Like, why were you asked? 493 00:22:24.279 --> 00:22:25.680 I remember this so vividly. 494 00:22:25.880 --> 00:22:29.640 Please tell me because I remember a lot about it too. Yeah, 495 00:22:29.640 --> 00:22:30.920 but I want to hear your side of it. 496 00:22:31.359 --> 00:22:34.160 Okay, My version of this was, Yeah, they asked me 497 00:22:34.200 --> 00:22:35.880 to speak at this brunch. They were like, oh, you're 498 00:22:35.920 --> 00:22:38.240 doing something really unique with him ros TV. Why don't 499 00:22:38.279 --> 00:22:41.079 you share it? And I remember walking into that room 500 00:22:41.839 --> 00:22:44.880 and I had the mentality that like Google and YouTube 501 00:22:44.920 --> 00:22:47.079 had instilled in us, which was very collaborative. 502 00:22:47.519 --> 00:22:48.960 It's like if another. 503 00:22:48.680 --> 00:22:51.920 YouTuber succeeds, gets a book deal, gets a TV show, 504 00:22:52.400 --> 00:22:54.319 it lifts all of us up, and so we would 505 00:22:54.400 --> 00:22:59.559 celebrate that. What I didn't anticipate with porn was the 506 00:22:59.680 --> 00:23:04.640 like competitive cattiness and ego that would come into play. 507 00:23:04.720 --> 00:23:07.480 And like I walked into that room and you know, 508 00:23:07.519 --> 00:23:10.880 saw a lot of people who who had greatly influenced 509 00:23:10.920 --> 00:23:14.759 me as a you know, gay man growing up, and 510 00:23:14.880 --> 00:23:17.440 like there was one studio and I didn't know anyone. 511 00:23:17.480 --> 00:23:18.720 I was like, can I sit at the table with 512 00:23:18.759 --> 00:23:19.119 you guys? 513 00:23:19.160 --> 00:23:21.319 And they were like no, yeah, no, of course not. 514 00:23:22.480 --> 00:23:25.920 They like keep moving, the seat's taken. And it was 515 00:23:25.920 --> 00:23:28.920 the first time where I really felt like I was 516 00:23:28.920 --> 00:23:31.599 like speaking to a group of people that like wanted 517 00:23:31.640 --> 00:23:33.119 me to fail. 518 00:23:33.519 --> 00:23:36.240 And yeah, I just talked about. 519 00:23:36.119 --> 00:23:38.720 Him Ro's TV. And I had mentioned that at the time, 520 00:23:38.799 --> 00:23:40.720 one of our most popular models I think was like 521 00:23:40.759 --> 00:23:43.920 eighty six, and like people thought it was a joke 522 00:23:44.039 --> 00:23:48.359 and they were laughing, and there were two people who 523 00:23:48.400 --> 00:23:50.720 came up to me afterwards and were like, hey, I 524 00:23:50.720 --> 00:23:52.839 think this is really interesting and great. 525 00:23:52.680 --> 00:23:57.200 And Adam were you were one of them. Yeah, it was. 526 00:23:57.279 --> 00:24:00.440 It was really like I was a little shell shocked. 527 00:24:01.440 --> 00:24:04.839 I didn't know the background about what you had experienced 528 00:24:04.839 --> 00:24:08.720 with other studios and studio heads and stuff. I remember 529 00:24:08.880 --> 00:24:11.759 being in the audience and listening to you and being 530 00:24:12.279 --> 00:24:15.440 fascinated a by the mission statement and be the story 531 00:24:15.480 --> 00:24:17.640 about was it Norm Was that his name? 532 00:24:17.920 --> 00:24:18.119 Yeah? 533 00:24:18.200 --> 00:24:19.599 Yeah, yeah, the elder man. 534 00:24:19.920 --> 00:24:23.920 He shared a story about filming somebody in his seventies 535 00:24:24.400 --> 00:24:27.519 doing basically like a jerk off video on a porch, 536 00:24:27.720 --> 00:24:29.720 and just like you know that like eroticism is in 537 00:24:29.799 --> 00:24:31.400 all of us, and like that was kind of like 538 00:24:31.599 --> 00:24:33.559 what you were trying to state, right, and that like 539 00:24:34.079 --> 00:24:37.519 that's the potential of what we can do as porn 540 00:24:37.559 --> 00:24:41.400 studios is like kind of like reignite the eroticism in anybody, 541 00:24:41.480 --> 00:24:45.000 regardless of age or gender or shape or you know everything. 542 00:24:45.079 --> 00:24:47.480 Like that is this kind of correct. 543 00:24:47.480 --> 00:24:50.599 It's this idea that like, for sure, we can show 544 00:24:50.640 --> 00:24:53.799 these like beautiful adonis chiseled men, but it's also nice 545 00:24:53.799 --> 00:24:56.000 for people to see a reflection of themselves. 546 00:24:56.079 --> 00:24:57.720 Yes, when they consume porn. 547 00:24:57.720 --> 00:25:01.720 Right, because otherwise it sets the this idea that like 548 00:25:01.759 --> 00:25:04.160 if all you see is cad MADEX kid madex ca matic, 549 00:25:04.799 --> 00:25:08.079 that like that's how you need to look. You need 550 00:25:08.119 --> 00:25:11.799 to be hung and chiseled and you know, perfectly sculpted 551 00:25:11.880 --> 00:25:14.880 to be worthy of desire or touch or connection. And 552 00:25:15.279 --> 00:25:18.640 I think a lot of us internalize that that message 553 00:25:18.680 --> 00:25:20.880 as gay people, and so I think there, yeah, I 554 00:25:20.920 --> 00:25:23.480 was trying to speak to this opportunity to showcase a 555 00:25:23.519 --> 00:25:26.319 broader spectrum of sexiness, and they just thought it was 556 00:25:26.319 --> 00:25:27.160 like hysterical. 557 00:25:27.480 --> 00:25:29.839 So I was looking at more like just to finish 558 00:25:29.880 --> 00:25:32.359 my story, like not from the studio perspective, but from 559 00:25:32.400 --> 00:25:35.519 the performers. I remember listening to and being fascinated, but 560 00:25:35.559 --> 00:25:38.119 then kind of looking around me and everybody I knew 561 00:25:38.319 --> 00:25:42.240 who were performers were like kind of partly tuning you out. 562 00:25:43.200 --> 00:25:45.480 And that's part of why I decided to come up 563 00:25:45.519 --> 00:25:47.599 to you, was because I was like, this is so 564 00:25:47.720 --> 00:25:50.799 unfair that these people are not listening because they're so 565 00:25:50.839 --> 00:25:53.880 busy wanting to be stars and getting ready for the 566 00:25:53.880 --> 00:25:56.240 Red carpets and all that thing. And so that's why 567 00:25:56.279 --> 00:25:57.839 I kind of came up and was like I love 568 00:25:57.880 --> 00:26:02.000 what you're doing. I'm whatever language you're speaking, I speak 569 00:26:02.039 --> 00:26:06.119 it and I understand it and I'm interested. I want 570 00:26:06.119 --> 00:26:08.039 to say it was like three months later you had 571 00:26:08.079 --> 00:26:11.440 me in Provinstown on that first shoot with Travis Matthews, 572 00:26:11.559 --> 00:26:12.079 the director. 573 00:26:12.240 --> 00:26:14.319 Yeah, yeah, I think it's really cool what you do. 574 00:26:14.880 --> 00:26:17.960 So yeah, I really I really appreciated you reaching out 575 00:26:18.079 --> 00:26:20.519 because yeah, I just felt like really. 576 00:26:20.599 --> 00:26:21.359 Overwhelmed by it. 577 00:26:21.400 --> 00:26:24.759 And I think there was a huge skepticism of like 578 00:26:24.799 --> 00:26:28.200 the business model, like is there really an audience for this? 579 00:26:28.640 --> 00:26:31.720 And because I was coming from YouTube, it's like, well, 580 00:26:31.759 --> 00:26:34.319 who is this guy to speak to us like we create? 581 00:26:35.440 --> 00:26:38.799 Like what does he think he's doing? And the mentality 582 00:26:38.920 --> 00:26:41.359 was very much like Okay, we have one pizza, like 583 00:26:41.400 --> 00:26:44.000 this is this is the market for porn and everyone's 584 00:26:44.000 --> 00:26:46.480 fighting for like the biggest slice of pizza that they can, 585 00:26:47.160 --> 00:26:49.599 Whereas my approach was like, hey, let's order another pizza. 586 00:26:49.880 --> 00:26:52.319 Yeah, like let's make the pizza bigger. 587 00:26:52.640 --> 00:26:55.319 Since you brought it up, I am curious what made 588 00:26:55.400 --> 00:26:58.799 you decide? When was that like aha moment for you 589 00:26:58.960 --> 00:27:01.559 as a YouTube created to be like, you know what, 590 00:27:02.039 --> 00:27:05.240 I'm going to create a studio and do something a 591 00:27:05.279 --> 00:27:06.359 little different. 592 00:27:06.279 --> 00:27:08.200 Like a more inclusive version of. 593 00:27:08.640 --> 00:27:11.519 More inclusive, more intentional, and very clearly different from what 594 00:27:11.599 --> 00:27:13.920 else was out there, a different kind of pizza. 595 00:27:14.240 --> 00:27:16.599 It was a little bit out of necessity because the 596 00:27:16.680 --> 00:27:21.200 YouTube business model had changed so much over the I 597 00:27:21.240 --> 00:27:23.759 guess at that point, maybe ten years, I've been creating 598 00:27:23.799 --> 00:27:27.079 content where once YouTube bought it, it was ad revenue. 599 00:27:27.240 --> 00:27:30.440 But then YouTube was like, oh, we're showing Coca Cola 600 00:27:30.799 --> 00:27:34.599 ads before a video where someone does anal douching, and 601 00:27:35.319 --> 00:27:36.519 Coca Cola doesn't like that. 602 00:27:37.519 --> 00:27:39.599 So so you. 603 00:27:39.559 --> 00:27:41.759 Know, it went from creating all this ad revenue to 604 00:27:41.920 --> 00:27:46.200 then there being no ad revenue, to then creating income 605 00:27:46.200 --> 00:27:50.079 through video sponsorships. So I could work with a company 606 00:27:50.079 --> 00:27:53.400 that makes anal douches and promote those in a video, 607 00:27:53.599 --> 00:27:57.079 and that's great, except you give up a lot of 608 00:27:57.079 --> 00:28:00.880 creative control, and if your numbers drop then and you know, 609 00:28:00.920 --> 00:28:02.400 you can't command the same price point. 610 00:28:02.400 --> 00:28:06.880 There's a lot of pressure. And so my assistant at the. 611 00:28:06.880 --> 00:28:10.960 Time we were doing like a corporate retreat in Hawaii, 612 00:28:11.160 --> 00:28:13.720 which was really just a big brainstorming session, it was 613 00:28:13.720 --> 00:28:17.279 obvious that a subscription model would be really financially beneficial 614 00:28:17.880 --> 00:28:19.319 and he was like, why just create a porn site 615 00:28:19.319 --> 00:28:21.519 and we both kind of laughed and then we're like, wait, 616 00:28:21.559 --> 00:28:25.519 but yeah, maybe, and if we did, what aspect of 617 00:28:25.519 --> 00:28:28.279 the market isn't being filled because it's like the world 618 00:28:28.279 --> 00:28:32.079 doesn't need another men dot com right right, Like that exists. 619 00:28:32.240 --> 00:28:34.160 You don't need a Twink studio like that exists. 620 00:28:34.480 --> 00:28:35.960 So does it ever? 621 00:28:36.519 --> 00:28:38.279 Yeah? Yeah, yeah. 622 00:28:38.400 --> 00:28:40.279 So that was kind of the space that we identified 623 00:28:40.279 --> 00:28:42.519 and it felt very on brand with what my journey 624 00:28:42.599 --> 00:28:46.519 was on on on YouTube, and so that's that's how 625 00:28:46.559 --> 00:28:47.000 it was born. 626 00:28:47.160 --> 00:28:48.200 M h wow. 627 00:28:48.759 --> 00:28:51.359 And how has the audience been since the beginning? Like, 628 00:28:51.480 --> 00:28:54.400 pretty good response, pretty quick response. Did it take a 629 00:28:54.440 --> 00:28:56.799 while to get off the ground, Yeah. 630 00:28:56.559 --> 00:29:02.160 It's It's been really interesting because just last month I 631 00:29:02.200 --> 00:29:05.960 screened some of our upcoming content at a retreat that 632 00:29:06.039 --> 00:29:09.839 I was at, and we showed oh as Jacob ethan 633 00:29:10.000 --> 00:29:13.240 Dale was in a scene. He co wrote the scene 634 00:29:13.240 --> 00:29:15.519 with us where he was coming up against as an 635 00:29:15.559 --> 00:29:19.119 Asian model, some of the racism that he experiences on Grinder, 636 00:29:19.720 --> 00:29:25.400 and we imagined the scene that felt really celebratory of 637 00:29:25.440 --> 00:29:28.759 who he was, and we filmed it with some really 638 00:29:28.799 --> 00:29:33.200 great crew and we screened the scene and people were crying, 639 00:29:33.519 --> 00:29:39.319 and it was like, oh, like I think it shows 640 00:29:39.359 --> 00:29:41.880 a different possibility of what erotic content can be. And 641 00:29:41.920 --> 00:29:43.759 not all of the scenes that we film are like that, 642 00:29:43.920 --> 00:29:46.720 but I do kind of like this idea of every 643 00:29:46.759 --> 00:29:49.359 Monday new scene comes out and someone logs in and 644 00:29:49.960 --> 00:29:52.079 like you don't really know what flavor you're going to get, 645 00:29:52.119 --> 00:29:53.799 and you might be like, you know, sitting there with 646 00:29:53.839 --> 00:29:57.160 your dick out ready to like you know, ready to stroke, 647 00:29:57.480 --> 00:30:01.640 and then this really emotional scene, maybe you're. 648 00:30:01.519 --> 00:30:03.000 Crying while you're jerking off. 649 00:30:04.079 --> 00:30:04.480 What do I do? 650 00:30:04.519 --> 00:30:05.359 But this is really hot. 651 00:30:07.279 --> 00:30:10.960 It's kind of fun to play coaster for your for 652 00:30:11.039 --> 00:30:12.119 your ark off journey. 653 00:30:12.200 --> 00:30:14.839 I mean, the thing is it's cool, Like I like 654 00:30:14.960 --> 00:30:17.839 I've been I've been in tears and several hemorro scenes 655 00:30:17.960 --> 00:30:21.000 like like there's it just we access something really deep. 656 00:30:21.480 --> 00:30:24.000 Shadow Work seems to be a common theme in a 657 00:30:24.000 --> 00:30:27.599 lot of hemorros scenes. It's like addressing the demons within, 658 00:30:27.799 --> 00:30:31.160 or addressing parts of our past or or addressing things 659 00:30:31.200 --> 00:30:35.519 that we want to kind of reappropriate from an empowered perspective. 660 00:30:36.400 --> 00:30:40.119 Are these like things you have gone through personally that 661 00:30:40.200 --> 00:30:43.519 you thought maybe you could channel into erotic content. 662 00:30:44.480 --> 00:30:47.519 Yeah, I mean, of course, and going back to being 663 00:30:47.640 --> 00:30:50.880 raised Catholic, right that we're taught to just push it away, 664 00:30:50.880 --> 00:30:54.319 push it away, push it away, and in actuality, our 665 00:30:54.519 --> 00:30:58.200 shadow self is offering so much to us, to to 666 00:30:58.839 --> 00:31:03.039 if we're willing to listen, to grow and to evolve 667 00:31:03.079 --> 00:31:06.079 as a person. Oh I'm feeling this really strong response 668 00:31:06.240 --> 00:31:08.319 or ooh, I'm really into this thing that kind of 669 00:31:08.319 --> 00:31:11.559 feels fucked up, Like what is this really about? And 670 00:31:11.640 --> 00:31:14.079 if you're willing to kind of pull on those strings, 671 00:31:14.240 --> 00:31:17.400 there's usually something really juicy on the other side. I 672 00:31:17.440 --> 00:31:20.160 think we're kind of taught to just push all of 673 00:31:20.200 --> 00:31:23.599 that away, put in a neat little box tucked. 674 00:31:23.400 --> 00:31:25.240 On the bed, like it's. 675 00:31:24.720 --> 00:31:27.599 Fine, everything's fine, Like I'm gonna be fine. And this 676 00:31:27.759 --> 00:31:30.200 is the opposite of that. This is unpacking it. And 677 00:31:30.279 --> 00:31:32.799 obviously you can't do that in like a super The 678 00:31:32.880 --> 00:31:35.079 videos are fifteen minutes long, twenty minutes long, Like, it's 679 00:31:35.079 --> 00:31:39.519 not These aren't uncovering the secret to life, but it's 680 00:31:39.960 --> 00:31:43.839 showing people. It plants the seeds in people's minds and 681 00:31:43.960 --> 00:31:47.519 ask questions that they might not otherwise be accessing. 682 00:31:48.079 --> 00:31:51.279 Right, Yeah, it's interesting. It's an interesting space to like 683 00:31:51.559 --> 00:31:56.079 or want someone to reflect on themselves, like during like 684 00:31:56.079 --> 00:31:58.519 when they're watching important because a lot of times it's 685 00:31:58.519 --> 00:32:00.720 like you just you know, put something on that's going 686 00:32:00.759 --> 00:32:02.920 to get you off. Yeah, you know, and it's just 687 00:32:03.000 --> 00:32:04.880 kind of like something I need to I need to 688 00:32:04.960 --> 00:32:07.839 not what is cool? 689 00:32:07.880 --> 00:32:09.839 What is some shadow work that you think you could 690 00:32:09.880 --> 00:32:11.599 channel into some erotic content? 691 00:32:13.559 --> 00:32:15.279 I don't know. I'll give I'll give you an. 692 00:32:15.160 --> 00:32:17.480 Example, because I feel like one of the ones Davy 693 00:32:17.519 --> 00:32:19.200 and I have kind of joked about a lot in 694 00:32:19.240 --> 00:32:22.880 the past is being roughed up by like bigger, stronger 695 00:32:23.359 --> 00:32:27.079 older men when we were younger, right, isn't that is 696 00:32:27.079 --> 00:32:30.559 that one? Am I giving away secrets? I'm sorry. I 697 00:32:30.599 --> 00:32:32.079 feel like that's one that you and I have talked 698 00:32:32.079 --> 00:32:33.640 about a lot where I feel like it's a theme 699 00:32:33.680 --> 00:32:35.319 for you, and I'm always like, Davy, there it is 700 00:32:35.359 --> 00:32:38.440 again where you like being like manhandled. 701 00:32:38.759 --> 00:32:40.960 I don't know, having boundaries violated by. 702 00:32:41.319 --> 00:32:46.359 You said, it's so much better, thank you older totally, Yes, 703 00:32:46.559 --> 00:32:48.920 having boundaries violated that is a good one. 704 00:32:49.440 --> 00:32:52.319 Yeah, I mean I don't I don't know. I you know, 705 00:32:52.400 --> 00:32:54.720 I'm not kinky and so like I don't get a 706 00:32:54.759 --> 00:32:57.160 lot of like I feel like I just don't have 707 00:32:57.440 --> 00:32:57.759 the thing. 708 00:32:57.880 --> 00:32:59.359 I have an example, that's sure. 709 00:32:59.400 --> 00:32:59.720 Please. 710 00:33:00.680 --> 00:33:04.160 So, like like when we filmed Norm, who Adam you're 711 00:33:04.160 --> 00:33:06.519 talking about, right, yeah? And I think he was in 712 00:33:06.599 --> 00:33:08.799 his eighties when we filmed him. He since passed away. 713 00:33:09.599 --> 00:33:12.920 Oh really yeah, yeah, he was in his eighties. 714 00:33:13.200 --> 00:33:18.720 And I was so confronted by seeing the body of 715 00:33:18.759 --> 00:33:22.319 a naked eighty something year old man, like we don't 716 00:33:22.319 --> 00:33:29.480 see that, and especially in a well And he wasn't 717 00:33:29.559 --> 00:33:32.519 just like you know, this wasn't like someone that you 718 00:33:32.559 --> 00:33:35.359 see getting changed in the locker room, like he was 719 00:33:36.119 --> 00:33:36.720 jerking off. 720 00:33:36.799 --> 00:33:39.440 He was ecstatic. He was in his body. 721 00:33:39.599 --> 00:33:43.559 He was very alive and radiant and fully living in 722 00:33:43.599 --> 00:33:46.640 his erotic energy. And it was like I think, especially 723 00:33:46.640 --> 00:33:49.279 as someone who who started creating YouTube content at the 724 00:33:49.279 --> 00:33:52.119 age of twenty three, and our youth is a currency, 725 00:33:52.240 --> 00:33:55.359 our body is a currency. And listen, like we're all 726 00:33:55.440 --> 00:33:57.880 on a journey to bankruptcy when it comes to you, right, 727 00:33:58.119 --> 00:34:01.799 And so when you're looking at Norm, you're seeing a 728 00:34:01.880 --> 00:34:06.160 version of yourself that you're going to meet someday, hopefully 729 00:34:06.279 --> 00:34:10.079 if we make it that far. And it really it 730 00:34:10.119 --> 00:34:12.000 holds a mirror up to you in a way that's 731 00:34:12.039 --> 00:34:14.760 really confronting. So I think for a lot of people 732 00:34:15.159 --> 00:34:19.440 seeing that scene, we interspliced it with Joey Mills and 733 00:34:19.440 --> 00:34:22.639 Blake Mitchell having sex and in the scene Norm was 734 00:34:23.440 --> 00:34:26.719 it was called Blessing of the Elder and he was 735 00:34:27.519 --> 00:34:30.719 basically doing like a meditation or a chant, blessing the 736 00:34:30.719 --> 00:34:34.119 younger generation of gay men to come into their the 737 00:34:34.159 --> 00:34:37.719 fullness of their sexuality, their authentic sexual selves. And to 738 00:34:37.800 --> 00:34:41.079 cut between as Norm touched his body, Blake touching his 739 00:34:41.280 --> 00:34:45.400 like younger, more muscular body. For gay guys, like seeing 740 00:34:45.400 --> 00:34:49.519 that is really that strikes a nerve, that's it's triggering. 741 00:34:50.400 --> 00:34:55.719 Yeah, I really struggled on that Joshua Tree shoot with Norm. Well, 742 00:34:55.760 --> 00:34:57.719 that was I think kind of an earlier him RHO shoot. 743 00:34:57.760 --> 00:34:59.840 So those and we were filming documentaries on each of 744 00:34:59.920 --> 00:35:04.239 us as well. The workshop portion of that shoot was 745 00:35:04.320 --> 00:35:07.960 three hours a day, which was more than the current 746 00:35:08.239 --> 00:35:10.400 more like forty five minutes to an hour in the 747 00:35:10.440 --> 00:35:14.559 morning workshop when we were actually shooting the scene where 748 00:35:14.559 --> 00:35:16.000 it was kind of like a hot tub party, it 749 00:35:16.039 --> 00:35:20.760 was like me Alex Meekham, Calvin Banks, and Max Adonis 750 00:35:21.559 --> 00:35:24.559 basically having this hot tub party where Norm is there 751 00:35:24.639 --> 00:35:27.320 and we all kind of like surround him and give 752 00:35:27.400 --> 00:35:29.519 him love and hugs, and like he jacks off and 753 00:35:29.760 --> 00:35:32.480 it was so sweet. Like the shooting of that portion 754 00:35:32.880 --> 00:35:36.719 was really beautiful, I thought, But like I had also 755 00:35:36.920 --> 00:35:40.679 just lost a mentor a couple weeks prior, and I 756 00:35:40.679 --> 00:35:42.280 think there was just a lot going on in my 757 00:35:42.320 --> 00:35:44.199 head and I wasn't as able to be present for 758 00:35:44.280 --> 00:35:47.119 that shoot, but I was kind of like, holy shit, 759 00:35:47.159 --> 00:35:48.519 we're gonna have to have sex with a man in 760 00:35:48.519 --> 00:35:51.880 his eighties what And I felt and like, looking back 761 00:35:51.920 --> 00:35:54.519 on it, I feel really like a little bit ashamed 762 00:35:54.599 --> 00:35:58.760 that I first had that initial reaction because I know 763 00:35:58.920 --> 00:36:01.719 what you were trying to do with that scene. 764 00:36:01.679 --> 00:36:04.719 Well, and that's a very real reaction though, And the 765 00:36:04.760 --> 00:36:08.519 invitation to each model was to engage with Norm in 766 00:36:08.559 --> 00:36:12.400 whatever way like felt okay for you that maybe it 767 00:36:12.519 --> 00:36:14.880 was like in your garden of consent, but at the 768 00:36:14.960 --> 00:36:17.360 edge of it, right, yes, and that might just be 769 00:36:17.760 --> 00:36:21.840 waiting at him or giving him a hug or you know, 770 00:36:21.920 --> 00:36:25.400 holding him, or you know, it could be helping him 771 00:36:25.480 --> 00:36:27.719 jerk off. But it was it was imagining a world 772 00:36:27.800 --> 00:36:32.719 where our elders were more revered and not really kind 773 00:36:32.719 --> 00:36:39.400 of considered these like invisible and the reality is a 774 00:36:39.400 --> 00:36:41.920 lot of these older men have made this world possible 775 00:36:41.920 --> 00:36:44.840 for us through their sacrifice and their sweat. And what's 776 00:36:44.880 --> 00:36:47.119 also true is that they lived in a different world 777 00:36:47.119 --> 00:36:50.519 where their relationship with boundaries is different than what we 778 00:36:50.599 --> 00:36:54.760 have for sure, and so some of our apprehension may 779 00:36:54.760 --> 00:36:59.679 be well founded in experiences that we've had. Adam, you've 780 00:36:59.719 --> 00:37:01.920 said it, but I quote you so often on this 781 00:37:02.280 --> 00:37:04.199 and maybe you've said this on the podcast before, but 782 00:37:04.280 --> 00:37:06.280 something you've said to me was like, because I think 783 00:37:06.320 --> 00:37:08.480 we're both kind of at this inflection point where it's 784 00:37:08.519 --> 00:37:12.280 like men that are older than us, it is I. 785 00:37:12.320 --> 00:37:13.039 Think you put it. 786 00:37:13.079 --> 00:37:15.960 You said, it's it's yes until you say no, and 787 00:37:16.079 --> 00:37:18.480 guys that are younger than us it's no until you 788 00:37:18.519 --> 00:37:18.880 say yes. 789 00:37:18.960 --> 00:37:21.239 Correct. Yeah, I say that a lot about consent. 790 00:37:21.360 --> 00:37:24.760 Yeah, yep, yeah, yeah, And that's a really those are 791 00:37:24.920 --> 00:37:28.199 opposite perspectives and that can create a lot of. 792 00:37:28.760 --> 00:37:32.840 Yeah, yeah, it's so annoying when someone is when it's 793 00:37:33.320 --> 00:37:34.840 no until when it's. 794 00:37:34.960 --> 00:37:36.440 Yes and no. 795 00:37:36.679 --> 00:37:39.480 Well, it's a different era, it's a different era, for sure. 796 00:37:39.800 --> 00:37:42.119 But I also wanted to tell that story to illustrate 797 00:37:42.400 --> 00:37:45.199 like just what's possible with what you can create with porn, 798 00:37:45.679 --> 00:37:47.360 and I like that that's kind of what you do. 799 00:37:47.480 --> 00:37:49.880 Is There's been not only that scene, but a lot 800 00:37:49.880 --> 00:37:53.760 of scenes where I think going into it, I have 801 00:37:53.800 --> 00:37:56.440 this big apprehension and I'm just like, oh God, this 802 00:37:56.519 --> 00:37:57.880 is going to be a tough shoot and we've got 803 00:37:57.880 --> 00:38:00.119 to just get through it. But for some reason, and 804 00:38:00.159 --> 00:38:02.719 once the cameras are rolling and we are in that scenario, 805 00:38:03.039 --> 00:38:06.599 I lean right into it and somehow open up. Do 806 00:38:06.639 --> 00:38:09.880 you know if other models have experienced Hemorrow shoots that way? 807 00:38:09.960 --> 00:38:12.679 But you're a performer. You're a good performer, so you 808 00:38:12.960 --> 00:38:13.639 can do that. 809 00:38:13.800 --> 00:38:18.559 While that's true, I'm not performing. I'm actually giving myself 810 00:38:18.559 --> 00:38:20.320 because like what Himorros does is it's a. 811 00:38:20.559 --> 00:38:24.000 Performance when you can convince yourself. I see what you're saying, 812 00:38:24.039 --> 00:38:26.039 are that you are into it? 813 00:38:26.199 --> 00:38:30.719 Yes? Right, But like I'm not just convincing myself. I'm 814 00:38:30.760 --> 00:38:34.519 you're letting yourself yourself. I'm leaning in, is what I'm saying. 815 00:38:34.800 --> 00:38:36.639 But that's part of it. That's what I'm saying. It's 816 00:38:36.639 --> 00:38:39.639 like some people cannot do that. They're just like, no, 817 00:38:39.719 --> 00:38:40.719 this isn't what I want. 818 00:38:40.920 --> 00:38:43.639 Well, that's when making adult films is work right like, 819 00:38:43.840 --> 00:38:47.159 and we have you know, Davy. We have performers all 820 00:38:47.199 --> 00:38:49.599 the time on this show who talk about the difference 821 00:38:49.639 --> 00:38:53.440 between and enjoying yourself on a set versus just working. 822 00:38:53.760 --> 00:38:55.760 And I think that there's a difference in what I'm 823 00:38:55.800 --> 00:38:58.760 talking about here is where I think spiritually, you and 824 00:38:58.880 --> 00:39:02.559 him Row shoots give performers do the space to not 825 00:39:02.639 --> 00:39:05.800 only come to work, but also to kind of confront 826 00:39:05.840 --> 00:39:08.639 these things that might be a little different. There's some 827 00:39:08.679 --> 00:39:12.320 spiritual work to do here in order to also provide 828 00:39:12.360 --> 00:39:16.159 something that is erotic and sexy for the audience to consume. 829 00:39:16.480 --> 00:39:20.280 I think it's like, instead of becoming this character or 830 00:39:20.320 --> 00:39:26.000 this thing, it's finding that thing inside yourself and accessing it. 831 00:39:26.039 --> 00:39:28.679 And that's like what I think some of the best 832 00:39:29.039 --> 00:39:32.280 performers that we work with are able to do. Yeah, 833 00:39:32.360 --> 00:39:35.760 and that's what's really fun to capture. I think now 834 00:39:35.840 --> 00:39:38.239 our approach, I mean, going into our eighth year of 835 00:39:38.280 --> 00:39:42.079 this is probably a little softer that models have all 836 00:39:42.079 --> 00:39:44.519 the concepts ahead of time. We do a lot of 837 00:39:44.559 --> 00:39:46.719 prep work around, like Okay, which scene is going to 838 00:39:46.800 --> 00:39:49.280 feel like a reach but a healthy reach for you? 839 00:39:49.519 --> 00:39:49.639 Right? 840 00:39:49.840 --> 00:39:52.039 And which scene maybe would you not want to be in. 841 00:39:52.639 --> 00:39:54.519 And it's also though, why like on the other side, 842 00:39:54.559 --> 00:39:56.840 after models do a shoot with us, we offer five 843 00:39:57.559 --> 00:40:02.960 post filming counseling sessions. Sometimes accessing that place inside yourself 844 00:40:03.159 --> 00:40:06.239 means opening that box that we like to keep tucked away, 845 00:40:07.079 --> 00:40:09.000 and maybe that box isn't so easy to pack back 846 00:40:09.039 --> 00:40:11.800 up again. So those counseling sessions can help people integrate 847 00:40:11.840 --> 00:40:12.400 what's come up. 848 00:40:12.519 --> 00:40:12.760 And now. 849 00:40:12.800 --> 00:40:15.519 It's also why when a model film's with us, whatever 850 00:40:15.559 --> 00:40:17.480 they shoot with us, we give to them to use 851 00:40:17.480 --> 00:40:20.760 on their only fans because it feels like we've captured 852 00:40:20.800 --> 00:40:23.880 something that's so personal to who they are. It feels 853 00:40:23.880 --> 00:40:26.599 disingenuous to be like, well, that's ours, because it's it's 854 00:40:26.639 --> 00:40:29.199 also theirs, and so they can really sun their only 855 00:40:29.239 --> 00:40:31.639 fans after it comes out on Himro's TV. 856 00:40:31.920 --> 00:40:34.159 We as performers really appreciate that option. 857 00:40:34.920 --> 00:40:36.519 Yeah, yeah, some good content. 858 00:40:36.920 --> 00:40:37.239 Yeah. 859 00:40:37.440 --> 00:40:40.719 Can you think of three scenes at least in the 860 00:40:40.760 --> 00:40:43.119 last couple of years or you know, three that come 861 00:40:43.159 --> 00:40:46.000 to mind that you were like particularly proud of providing. 862 00:40:46.119 --> 00:40:46.440 We did this. 863 00:40:46.800 --> 00:40:49.440 Yeah, we did the scene with court Fox. He was 864 00:40:49.480 --> 00:40:51.599 the coach we worked with, and we did it in 865 00:40:51.639 --> 00:40:54.559 Illinois and it was called tears, and it was Nico 866 00:40:54.639 --> 00:40:58.519 Nova and Vander Pulaski, and it was written to have 867 00:40:58.719 --> 00:41:02.719 three different types of tears. And Nico is like the 868 00:41:02.840 --> 00:41:03.920 like Meryl Streep of. 869 00:41:04.159 --> 00:41:05.920 Just like he can cry on command. 870 00:41:06.599 --> 00:41:09.599 Yeah, yes, and so like the first tears were like 871 00:41:09.679 --> 00:41:12.119 him disappointing his dom, which was Vander. And then it 872 00:41:12.239 --> 00:41:14.920 was the tears of the punishment, right because he was 873 00:41:14.960 --> 00:41:17.119 getting like paddled or spanked. 874 00:41:17.760 --> 00:41:18.880 And and then the. 875 00:41:18.840 --> 00:41:24.239 Final tiers were the tears of affirmation when Vander you know, 876 00:41:24.239 --> 00:41:26.000 affirmed him for who he was and that he was 877 00:41:26.039 --> 00:41:29.639 worthy and deserving. And in each case, like the tears, 878 00:41:29.880 --> 00:41:32.880 they were real, and it was like, I think the 879 00:41:32.920 --> 00:41:35.760 whole scene maybe took forty minutes to film, and when 880 00:41:35.800 --> 00:41:38.079 it ended, we were all just kind of like like 881 00:41:38.199 --> 00:41:40.400 just standing there in silence of like, oh my god, 882 00:41:40.440 --> 00:41:43.800 I can't believe that. Yeah, how generous of a model 883 00:41:43.960 --> 00:41:48.639 to give that to us and to the world to watch, 884 00:41:48.920 --> 00:41:51.320 you know, But Nico's are really you've worked with with 885 00:41:51.440 --> 00:41:54.360 nicos Yeah, yeah, yeah. 886 00:41:54.159 --> 00:41:56.679 And I was on that. I was on that. Yeah. 887 00:41:56.679 --> 00:41:59.519 The self sess that I mean talk about confronting something 888 00:41:59.719 --> 00:42:01.719 deep is like that was it was me and Nico 889 00:42:01.840 --> 00:42:04.519 playing like younger and older versions of the same person, 890 00:42:05.000 --> 00:42:08.119 and we essentially like come together in this really beautiful moment. 891 00:42:08.719 --> 00:42:11.159 But I was on that Illinois shoot as well. There 892 00:42:11.239 --> 00:42:14.159 was something you were There was something very magical about 893 00:42:14.199 --> 00:42:16.639 that week. I feel like every scene was kind of 894 00:42:16.719 --> 00:42:18.639 like that, where like going into it, there was just 895 00:42:18.679 --> 00:42:21.119 a lot of prep and then once the camera started rolling, 896 00:42:21.159 --> 00:42:24.320 the scenes were done in forty five minutes. Almost every 897 00:42:24.360 --> 00:42:26.400 scene felt like it went that way that week. 898 00:42:26.920 --> 00:42:28.480 Was there a scene do you remember any of the 899 00:42:28.679 --> 00:42:30.920 I mean, this was like a couple years. Was there 900 00:42:30.960 --> 00:42:33.119 any scene that was like really impactful for you that 901 00:42:33.719 --> 00:42:34.599 you are more memorable? 902 00:42:34.679 --> 00:42:37.719 I had a variety of scenes that week where I 903 00:42:37.840 --> 00:42:40.440 was a sub in one and like a dominant another, 904 00:42:40.679 --> 00:42:42.760 and you know, there was you know, the Brat taming 905 00:42:42.800 --> 00:42:44.880 one where me and Jackson are beating the crap out 906 00:42:44.880 --> 00:42:47.440 of Glittery Bottom and trying to you know, he was 907 00:42:47.440 --> 00:42:49.079 playing a brat so we had to kind of and 908 00:42:49.079 --> 00:42:50.559 this was before Brat Summer. 909 00:42:50.320 --> 00:42:51.679 Everybody, by the way. 910 00:42:53.079 --> 00:42:56.440 But the final scene was where it was all the 911 00:42:56.480 --> 00:42:59.400 performers together and there was like maybe seven or eight 912 00:42:59.440 --> 00:43:04.039 of us, and I was cast in basically like the 913 00:43:04.280 --> 00:43:08.039 like figurehead who kind of like directed what everybody did. 914 00:43:08.679 --> 00:43:10.239 Do you remember that it was the one? 915 00:43:10.360 --> 00:43:12.280 It was the one in the barn, and that was 916 00:43:12.320 --> 00:43:15.239 the one I was the most nervous about because I 917 00:43:15.320 --> 00:43:21.039 was essentially leading this group sex activity kind of. But 918 00:43:21.079 --> 00:43:24.480 then once the camera started rolling, I just channeled a 919 00:43:24.599 --> 00:43:28.000 side of myself that I mean, it's beyond dom sub stuff. 920 00:43:28.239 --> 00:43:30.480 Like it was like I was like, you do this, 921 00:43:30.719 --> 00:43:32.880 you serve him? Everyone come like it. 922 00:43:33.199 --> 00:43:34.960 Was I was. 923 00:43:35.119 --> 00:43:38.199 It was almost an out of body experience, like you 924 00:43:38.280 --> 00:43:39.719 facilitated it, facility. 925 00:43:39.800 --> 00:43:43.239 I was a facilitator for sure of this like almost 926 00:43:43.360 --> 00:43:48.000 ritualistic erotic experience. And I almost don't even remember what 927 00:43:48.039 --> 00:43:50.679 I said. You know, it was like I was channeling 928 00:43:50.719 --> 00:43:52.239 something so that I think is the one I'm the 929 00:43:52.280 --> 00:43:53.360 most excited to see. 930 00:43:53.960 --> 00:43:59.320 Yeah, unfortunately we forgot to hit record And I'm kidding, no. 931 00:43:58.920 --> 00:44:01.679 Do you think you would ever consider. 932 00:44:01.440 --> 00:44:05.840 Being like like a coach in some capacity or some 933 00:44:05.880 --> 00:44:07.400 sort of like, yeah, you. 934 00:44:07.360 --> 00:44:10.280 Know, I have I have a mental health background, and 935 00:44:10.360 --> 00:44:14.320 I think I mean i've because I was a LGBT 936 00:44:14.559 --> 00:44:18.880 psychology master's, Like that's what got me into making porn 937 00:44:18.920 --> 00:44:21.599 in the first place. So I feel like eventually I'm 938 00:44:21.639 --> 00:44:24.000 going to kind of lead in that direction. I don't 939 00:44:24.039 --> 00:44:26.320 know how it's going to look yet, but yeah, I 940 00:44:26.360 --> 00:44:27.199 think I could do that. 941 00:44:28.840 --> 00:44:29.400 Nervous. 942 00:44:30.360 --> 00:44:32.000 Well, it was so funny that you were nervous about 943 00:44:32.000 --> 00:44:35.719 filming that scene because what I remember is this like 944 00:44:35.920 --> 00:44:40.039 really grounded confidence that you embodied. And I was like, 945 00:44:40.079 --> 00:44:43.800 oh this, I was like this queen like like oh. 946 00:44:43.960 --> 00:44:47.119 Wow, Like you didn't tell me this. 947 00:44:47.400 --> 00:44:49.880 I know you do, because you get Siria, you get 948 00:44:49.920 --> 00:44:53.519 like you have this like seriousness. He puts like I 949 00:44:53.800 --> 00:44:56.519 know because I know you that You're like you're nervous 950 00:44:56.519 --> 00:44:59.760 in there, but you're like, m You're like, yeah, you 951 00:45:00.039 --> 00:45:04.800 really the game taking it seriously Like he's really like thinking, like. 952 00:45:05.119 --> 00:45:08.239 I did feel very grounded in that scene, and I was, 953 00:45:08.360 --> 00:45:09.920 and it was kind of like I don't think I 954 00:45:10.119 --> 00:45:13.840 was until we started filming, until the camera started rolling, 955 00:45:13.920 --> 00:45:16.920 and then I just like landed in this role kind of. 956 00:45:17.199 --> 00:45:18.159 It was really beautiful. 957 00:45:18.719 --> 00:45:20.559 Yeah, And I didn't say anything to you because it 958 00:45:20.599 --> 00:45:23.079 seems so effortless that I was like that you just 959 00:45:23.119 --> 00:45:25.039 stepped into this. I was like, oh, like this is 960 00:45:25.400 --> 00:45:28.360 this is a really easy place for Adam to access, 961 00:45:28.440 --> 00:45:31.400 Like this seems very available to him and and I 962 00:45:31.400 --> 00:45:33.039 was like, wow, I was just really impressed. 963 00:45:33.239 --> 00:45:36.239 Wow, awesome, that sounds that feels great to hear. Thank you. 964 00:45:36.280 --> 00:45:41.280 I didn't even know I wasn't fishing at all. Yeah, Well, 965 00:45:41.320 --> 00:45:43.599 is there anything you're kind of like really excited about 966 00:45:43.719 --> 00:45:46.519 coming up and he shoots or anything like what's in 967 00:45:46.559 --> 00:45:49.079 the near future and far future for Davey Wavy and 968 00:45:49.119 --> 00:45:49.280 for you. 969 00:45:49.960 --> 00:45:54.320 In December, we're going to Spain to film a scripted series, 970 00:45:54.400 --> 00:45:56.880 The Mansion Neil King, And it's gonna be a nine 971 00:45:56.920 --> 00:45:57.760 day shoot for us. 972 00:45:57.639 --> 00:45:59.119 That's really really long. 973 00:45:59.320 --> 00:46:00.599 Yeah, and will. 974 00:46:00.440 --> 00:46:04.360 Release YouTube version and we'll also have the spicy erotic 975 00:46:04.440 --> 00:46:06.880 version on Himro's TV. But it's kind of inspired by 976 00:46:07.320 --> 00:46:10.079 White Littus. I know, Adam, you saw the script. So 977 00:46:10.079 --> 00:46:13.000 that's in December, and then in January we're going to France. 978 00:46:13.039 --> 00:46:15.920 We rented this castle to do a shoot that's inspired 979 00:46:15.960 --> 00:46:21.360 by video games, and that one's still very much coming together. 980 00:46:21.480 --> 00:46:26.079 But I mean, any excuse to you know, be in 981 00:46:26.119 --> 00:46:29.719 a castle in France eating chocolate and French foods and croissants. 982 00:46:30.719 --> 00:46:31.320 Sign me up. 983 00:46:32.320 --> 00:46:35.159 You shoot things really ahead of time? Does that mean 984 00:46:35.199 --> 00:46:38.519 you have like content lined up for like a ways. 985 00:46:38.400 --> 00:46:39.679 Almost two years of content. 986 00:46:40.400 --> 00:46:41.360 Yes, nice. 987 00:46:41.760 --> 00:46:45.159 Yeah, because we filmed, we filmed twelve scenes each shoot, 988 00:46:45.199 --> 00:46:48.559 and so it's like if we just released another French 989 00:46:48.599 --> 00:46:51.440 castle video French Castle, French Cat, there needs to be 990 00:46:51.559 --> 00:46:55.079 like eight weeks in between. Otherwise it feels like okay, yeah, 991 00:46:55.119 --> 00:46:56.800 we get it. You filmed in a castle in France? 992 00:46:56.800 --> 00:46:58.760 Do you film? Do you release one a week? Is 993 00:46:58.760 --> 00:46:59.440 that how it works? 994 00:46:59.719 --> 00:47:03.000 Yeah, release one a week and each shoe is like 995 00:47:03.440 --> 00:47:07.480 each scene from different shoots. They're broken up by about 996 00:47:07.480 --> 00:47:08.079 two months. 997 00:47:08.119 --> 00:47:09.039 Wow. 998 00:47:09.239 --> 00:47:11.880 Yeah, so there's still like I think five scenes from 999 00:47:11.920 --> 00:47:13.519 the Illinois shoot that haven't come out yet. 1000 00:47:13.760 --> 00:47:15.639 Okay, wow, that's so exciting. 1001 00:47:15.760 --> 00:47:16.000 Have go. 1002 00:47:16.360 --> 00:47:18.960 Yeah, need to I need to myself for having it 1003 00:47:19.000 --> 00:47:19.760 through December. 1004 00:47:19.960 --> 00:47:25.519 Yeah right, I need to reactivate my Hemorrhos membership. Speaking 1005 00:47:25.559 --> 00:47:27.960 of himorrhos dot tv h I M E r O 1006 00:47:28.079 --> 00:47:31.519 S dot tv. For those of you are watching or listening, 1007 00:47:32.239 --> 00:47:33.880 check out what Davey's got to offer. 1008 00:47:34.199 --> 00:47:37.079 Cole, Do you have any other questions for Davy Davy? 1009 00:47:37.159 --> 00:47:39.079 Are we missing anything? Is there anything else you'd like 1010 00:47:39.119 --> 00:47:40.760 to share with our listeners. 1011 00:47:41.199 --> 00:47:42.360 I'll just plug that we're doing. 1012 00:47:43.239 --> 00:47:46.000 We are kicking off as of this week our year 1013 00:47:46.119 --> 00:47:49.360 and sale, which means that our annual membership is just 1014 00:47:49.440 --> 00:47:52.440 ninety nine bucks, which is a significant discount from its 1015 00:47:52.519 --> 00:47:53.199 regular price. 1016 00:47:53.719 --> 00:47:56.320 How long is this sale going on till? 1017 00:47:56.880 --> 00:47:59.320 We will do it through through New Year's Eve? 1018 00:47:59.440 --> 00:47:59.599 Oh? 1019 00:47:59.639 --> 00:47:59.960 Perfect. 1020 00:48:00.039 --> 00:48:01.800 It's always like to make a sale of the year. 1021 00:48:02.039 --> 00:48:03.800 So if they listen to that, still have like. 1022 00:48:03.800 --> 00:48:04.599 Yeah, they'll have time. 1023 00:48:04.639 --> 00:48:06.719 That's why I asked, because this will this will come 1024 00:48:06.719 --> 00:48:07.639 out around Thanksgiving. 1025 00:48:07.760 --> 00:48:10.440 I think so amazing. Cool. 1026 00:48:10.559 --> 00:48:11.960 Yea, thank you for you, sir. 1027 00:48:12.159 --> 00:48:16.119 I think that that's great. I'm happy to meet you. 1028 00:48:16.480 --> 00:48:22.559 Right, Davy Cole Cole, Davy Cole is available. 1029 00:48:22.760 --> 00:48:23.480 I was shut up. 1030 00:48:25.559 --> 00:48:29.800 He is also an actor. Awesome anyway, thank you so 1031 00:48:29.880 --> 00:48:31.719 much for joining us. I've been wanting to do this 1032 00:48:31.760 --> 00:48:34.000 for a months. I'm glad it finally worked out. We 1033 00:48:34.039 --> 00:48:34.719 appreciate you. 1034 00:48:35.000 --> 00:48:36.599 Yeah, thanks for thinking of me. 1035 00:48:36.639 --> 00:48:41.840 Absolutely, chat you guys, Yeah, thank you. Yeah, that's all. 1036 00:48:42.239 --> 00:48:45.440 Tune in next time for our season three finale, y'all. 1037 00:48:45.800 --> 00:48:48.920 It's almost the end of the year. So I'm Adam Ramsey. 1038 00:48:49.000 --> 00:48:49.679 I'm cold cotter. 1039 00:48:49.800 --> 00:48:52.800 This has been sorry for asking, Thanks you guys so much. Bye, 1040 00:48:53.000 --> 00:48:53.639 take it easy. 1041 00:48:56.559 --> 00:48:59.599 This has been sorry for asking you sure to like 1042 00:49:00.079 --> 00:49:11.679 it and subscribe, and until next time, stay sexy.