Speaker 1: Mister fake entertainment too. Rights, I'm so glad you guys
Speaker 1: brought up disability. Guys like Sid holland Nash specifically has
Speaker 1: always been given off a vibe of seeking the relief
Speaker 1: of not working. They are of a certain vintage that
Speaker 1: were sons and grandsons of the generation that returned from
Speaker 1: the war and worked someplace for thirty years. Guys with
Speaker 1: crooked fingers, busted backs, who walked into the retirement sunset
Speaker 1: with a gold watch and a handshake, then dying three
Speaker 1: years later in the recliner on a golf course, forced
Speaker 1: to sit at home, receiving a check in early retirement
Speaker 1: with nothing but time. Feels like such a dream scenario
Speaker 1: for these blue collar bounce around guys of the eighties
Speaker 1: and nineties. I had not thought of that as not
Speaker 1: wanting to work in exchange for money, as not a
Speaker 1: wrestler carningy thing, but just a product of the eighties
Speaker 1: and nineties who saw your parents and grandparents have no
Speaker 1: fruitful retirement years.
Speaker 2: Interesting, and it gets.
Speaker 1: In your head and you try to have retirement years
Speaker 1: while you're actively working, essentially, which some of these guys
Speaker 1: were able to pull off. Very interesting. Philip wants no
Speaker 1: question for Jack. In those periods when Sid was wrestling
Speaker 1: away from WWE, did Bo Justice become bow Vicious? No,
Speaker 1: he did not. He was absolutely always Bo Justice. But
Speaker 1: because I had the Sid Vicious galub and he was
Speaker 1: a totally separate wrestler, he had nothing to do with
Speaker 1: the other Sids, and that was Sid Vicious. So there's
Speaker 1: your answer. Chris has an interesting theory, he says on
Speaker 1: the Sid Tribute show, you mentioned how by the time
Speaker 1: the Jacks figures came out, Diesel and Razor were long
Speaker 1: gone from the company. I don't know if you were
Speaker 1: aware of this, but remember in Spider Man the animated series,
Speaker 1: how hob Goblin was featured before Green Goblin and was
Speaker 1: so prominent despite not really being a huge deal in
Speaker 1: the comics. Apparently toy Biz mistakenly made way more Hobgoblin
Speaker 1: figures than anyone else, so they decided to feature Hobgoblin
Speaker 1: more prominently than they normally would have so kids would
Speaker 1: buy the toy So it made me remember that. Actually,
Speaker 1: I remember Hobgoblin being way pushed to the forefront of
Speaker 1: that show in a way that didn't make any sense.
Speaker 1: So it made me think maybe this is why they
Speaker 1: introduced the fake diesel and racer. Maybe Jacks was pissed
Speaker 1: to find out their big new action figureline feature two
Speaker 1: guys in the first way.
Speaker 2: Oh wow, who.
Speaker 1: Weren't even on their show anymore. Some toy exact probably
Speaker 1: didn't watch wrestling and didn't understand why you couldn't switch
Speaker 1: them out like other actors. I'm not saying this is true,
Speaker 1: but it's something to think about.
Speaker 2: So, yeah, I just don't think they'd have would they
Speaker 2: have that kind of pull over the company, they being
Speaker 2: the toy manufacturer, the toy manufacturers, I mean, the company
Speaker 2: was that they were just brand new that they came
Speaker 2: out in ninety six, the Jacks Ones, So would they
Speaker 2: have had It's not like they'd been like long, you know,
Speaker 2: like long time associates.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: See, I would almost put the pressure the other way.
Speaker 1: I would think WWF would be worried about looking stupid
Speaker 1: to them. Then Jack's coming to them and complaining per
Speaker 1: se and getting anything changed. I would think it would
Speaker 1: be more likely that WWF would try to get cute
Speaker 1: and like try to avoid a discussion about having toys
Speaker 1: on the shelf of guys who didn't work there. Anymore
Speaker 1: just by coming up with fire.
Speaker 2: I mean, but I would also say, you know, we're
Speaker 2: making money off these guys, so yeah, who can you know?
Speaker 4: That?
Speaker 2: To me is always the Vince rationale exactly.
Speaker 1: And I think, and I think what Chris is getting
Speaker 1: at is maybe Jacks would actually accept, knowing nothing about wrestling,
Speaker 1: that it's actually perfectly acceptable to just call somebody else
Speaker 1: Razor and Diesel. Yeah, the fans wouldn't care about the
Speaker 1: person under the costume. It's really interesting. He also says, ps,
Speaker 1: the CID Hasbro has the same body slam as the
Speaker 1: first Hogan Hasbro, but it's labeled power bomb on the package.
Speaker 1: It is possible to make him do an okay power bomb,
Speaker 1: but it's obviously meant to be a body slam. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's interesting, the same move, but you just give it
Speaker 1: a different name.
Speaker 2: Gorg Yeah, I know, I mean that was like one
Speaker 2: not before I wanted more common moves. The the press
Speaker 2: slam certainly was that a lot of those guys had.
Speaker 1: Gordon was also inspired to write on the Bow Justice Front.
Speaker 1: He writes, as a kid, my friend Dan had two
Speaker 1: l J and Piper figures, and his fig fed the
Speaker 1: main figure was naturally rowdy roddy Piper, but the other
Speaker 1: was his twin brother, a jobber, ripping ritty by er.
Speaker 2: There we go.
Speaker 1: He also had two Awa Rick Flairs. Wow, one was fine,
Speaker 1: but the other one had a face that was accidentally
Speaker 1: burnt on a radiator. He was dubbed. Yeah, you had
Speaker 1: to say it, I have to say it retarded Ron Flair.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, Rick sometimes ron Flair would have been
Speaker 1: funny enough. But yeah, Rick sometimes manager and an occasional jobber.
Speaker 1: We still joke about this thirty five years later.
Speaker 2: That's great, that's amazing, good stuff, Ron Flair, Rick and
Speaker 2: Ron Flair.
Speaker 1: Something like he's still when he's workshopping names and asking
Speaker 1: Dusty for permission when.
Speaker 2: He's first breaking in right right.
Speaker 1: Steve wants you to know, Boss, that Pierce being Bond
Speaker 1: was a massive deal in Ireland. All I bet, I
Speaker 1: bet it was. The country, he writes, was in the
Speaker 1: middle of a massive boom. So in Irish Bond was
Speaker 1: the icing on the cake. Until I left school in
Speaker 1: twenty eleven, our Irish language textbooks would have a celebrity
Speaker 1: profile on a famous Irish person, and it was almost
Speaker 1: always peer and for Boss and I'm gonna mispronounce it
Speaker 1: drug hada d r o g h g d a
Speaker 1: is pronounced Oh, he does it for me, okay, because
Speaker 1: he's doing it to connect pronunciation, it's pronounced draw hada.
Speaker 1: I guess that's something he read during the course of
Speaker 1: the episode.
Speaker 2: Oh made it. Probably I read. I did read a
Speaker 2: bunch kick because when when we talked about Pierce and
Speaker 2: we did his kind of early years in bio, we
Speaker 2: I did talk about his Uh. Yeah, probably there are
Speaker 2: probably a bunch of Irish names that I had no
Speaker 2: idea what the fuck they were, right.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that kind of thing's gonna happen. William writes,
Speaker 1: I imagine Sid dispensing Vienna's with his softball bat, much
Speaker 1: like a little league coach during practice. Oh my god,
Speaker 1: big boys sausage on the two hot. I want to
Speaker 1: see you dig.
Speaker 2: Oh I I I believe that I could see that.
Speaker 1: And he also brings the uh the Arkansas Intel. Vienna
Speaker 1: sausages come forty eight cans to a case. It's usually
Speaker 1: two layers of twenty four cans, separated by a thin
Speaker 1: layer of cardboard and sealed and plastic. I would say
Speaker 1: that it measures about ten by twenty one hundred and
Speaker 1: fifty thousand cans makes four three twenty five cases. I
Speaker 1: would say it would probably be around ten six foot
Speaker 1: tall palletts. Can you imagine Sid's garage? Oh god, it
Speaker 1: hits the automatic door button from his head when he
Speaker 1: comes home again, you know, expecting to be able to
Speaker 1: use the garage. Oh and Frank has not donning his part.
Speaker 1: He hits the automatic door button from his house, so
Speaker 1: the door opens as he's walking out to the garage,
Speaker 1: and it's all just a wall of sausage.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 1: And there's always a few dented cans that leak the
Speaker 1: gelatinous liquid. The smell that comes out of the garage
Speaker 1: and a hot Arkansas summer day is enough to kill
Speaker 1: one of Bischoff's prized elk. God damn Frank. Else it
Speaker 1: says softball is huge in Arkansas, with no pro sports
Speaker 1: teams except for the minor league baseball team, so college
Speaker 1: sports are huge, and the men's baseball team and women's
Speaker 1: softball team are highly revered. For what it's worth to
Speaker 1: probably work rice fields is that's one of the few
Speaker 1: crops that grows well. Very interesting. A lot of Arkansas
Speaker 1: and town from William, which we appreciate. But yeah, apparently softball,
Speaker 1: you know, it doesn't hit the same way in Arkansas
Speaker 1: as it does to some other places that are like
Speaker 1: he played softball? Like, what the fuck is that? Apparently
Speaker 1: it was a respected thing.
Speaker 2: I'm sure, I'm sure I would imagine that it wasn't.
Speaker 2: But it must have been something bigger than we all
Speaker 2: would think.
Speaker 1: Right on our Buried a live episode, Blake has this
Speaker 1: to say about who I can only assume is Jerry Lawler.
Speaker 1: I bet Jerry just jerked off into his underwear and
Speaker 1: goes to sleep. He then he pisses on the wall
Speaker 1: at three am because half his dick hole is covered
Speaker 1: in dried comh.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he totally yeah, because remember so he goes to
Speaker 2: bed naked, so it's like all over the fucking bedspreads.
Speaker 1: It's his time of year, bossy. Oh, I think he
Speaker 1: had another fruitful Christmas season.
Speaker 2: An I'm I am sure that he was thrilled. I'm
Speaker 2: sure he and I'm sure he did nothing but enjoy
Speaker 2: waking up Christmas morning to all the Santa Claus gifts
Speaker 2: that he gave himself, like going through his stocking as
Speaker 2: if he doesn't know what he's getting.
Speaker 1: The sound of like him pushing something around inside his
Speaker 1: stocking to get to the something lower.
Speaker 2: Yep, yep, all by himself. He gave himself these gifts.
Speaker 1: He's taking selfies in the Ralphie pink bunny costume.
Speaker 2: Yep, yep. And then then all of a sudden, then
Speaker 2: cut to the sound of like sizzling eggs and bacon
Speaker 2: making himself a nice Christmas morning breakfast. Nothing wrong with
Speaker 2: us at all, this is this is incredibly acceptable. Uh
Speaker 2: not uh psychopathic behavior.
Speaker 1: Oh, we're gonna miss him when he's gone. I know
Speaker 1: the jammies he wears. Oh, just like the softness touching his.
Speaker 2: The weird like innocent attempts at overhead selfies'.
Speaker 1: Jared Lawler has a weird innocence. That's awesome, that's true.
Speaker 2: And that's what he does. Like he does these like weird,
Speaker 2: little fucking innocent selfies. Like such a problem.
Speaker 1: You're in your you live next to him. You don't
Speaker 1: know him that well, but your kitchen window, your kitchen
Speaker 1: window look up looks into his backyard and you're like
Speaker 1: washing a dish and Christmas morning and you look up
Speaker 1: and he's standing in his yard in the Ralfie suit
Speaker 1: just looking at you, not moving.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, he's looking like right at your face, like.
Speaker 1: Contact expressionless face expression, you know.
Speaker 2: And you're like okay, you know. And you go down
Speaker 2: and you start unloading some dishes from the dishwasher. You
Speaker 2: come back up at the window and he's ten feet closer.
Speaker 2: Run that one through rock. Oh my god, that's funny,
Speaker 2: like absolutely impossible for him to make that distance in
Speaker 2: that amount of time.
Speaker 1: Oh, I just got silly. It's good light. Here we go.
Speaker 1: So you look up. He's ten feet closer. You duck down.
Speaker 1: You look up. He's ten feet closer. You duck down.
Speaker 1: You look up, he's ten feet closer. He's like almost
Speaker 1: up to the window. Now you duck down. You look up.
Speaker 1: He's nowhere to be found. You look up. He's on
Speaker 1: your roof.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you're duck down. You look up.
Speaker 1: He's halfway across the roof. You keep going. He keeps
Speaker 1: going until he's like totally out of sight down the horizon,
Speaker 1: and you look up.
Speaker 2: He's in the air. He's just like the air.
Speaker 5: He's floating, just floating. He's not that's the twist. He's
Speaker 5: not coming to get you at all. He's looking past you.
Speaker 5: You know, he's just like a wind up doll.
Speaker 1: Oh God, goddamn funny at Lawler.
Speaker 2: Such a creep hockey night.
Speaker 1: CTE rights. I hope we get a lot of lap Sid.
Speaker 1: We did. He's one of my favorites. Sid always reminds
Speaker 1: me of Daffy in the old duck Ammic cartoon. He
Speaker 1: recognizes that the business he's in is fake nonsense, but
Speaker 1: isn't quite self aware enough to pick up that he's
Speaker 1: as fake as the rest of it. Yep, be very
Speaker 1: true of Sid. Let's see, Adam writes to us. Scenario
Speaker 1: Sid stands at the pearly gates and the great hereafter
Speaker 1: all he has to do to enter paradise is to
Speaker 1: cut a live promo without fucking up. Now, armed with
Speaker 1: more than half a brain and vivid images of playing
Speaker 1: softball racing through his mind, Boss, can he do it?
Speaker 1: What say you?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: You can do it?
Speaker 2: Yes now?
Speaker 1: Clarkson writes, I would imagine that most of the Solar
Speaker 1: system says, in one way or another, brother to themselves
Speaker 1: as a way to add to the fun of listening
Speaker 1: to any of the shows. However, this podcasting entertainment vehicle
Speaker 1: is so far up my ass that when I dropped
Speaker 1: something in the kitchen a couple of days ago, I
Speaker 1: said brother out loud to myself, as one might use
Speaker 1: damn or shit. I was not listening to the show
Speaker 1: at the time, nor was I thinking about it or
Speaker 1: anything involving wrestling. It was thinking, for me, we have
Speaker 1: reached full integration. Brother. Yes, Oh I can attest to that.
Speaker 1: I say brother all day. Yeah, when anything even mildly
Speaker 1: unexpected happens, I say it.
Speaker 2: So I've started doing it too.
Speaker 1: I say it like I'm listening to MPR, Like someone
Speaker 1: says something on the radio and I'm like, brother, I
Speaker 1: just I just want to it's boring, So I just
Speaker 1: want to make it seem like what the person and
Speaker 1: just said is somehow objectionable or suspicious.
Speaker 2: I forget I did it, you know, I did it
Speaker 2: in the presence of people recently. Oh yeah, oh yeah, man,
Speaker 2: like it was just a I forget what happened. There
Speaker 2: was someone's like a brother, and it's like, you know,
Speaker 2: I'm like, oh wait, this person doesn't don't know what
Speaker 2: I'm You don't know what I'm talking, no idea why
Speaker 2: I just made that noise. You don't know why I
Speaker 2: would say that word at that time for any reason
Speaker 2: at all.
Speaker 1: Two of us. Oh God, Ken has a good one,
Speaker 1: he says, Uh co chairs, Sid stinks, never was a draw.
Speaker 1: This tribute should be great. But if anyone had to
Speaker 1: work with someone like Sid, he'd be the co worker
Speaker 1: you hate the most.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that one loves him apparently, but I imagine he's
Speaker 2: he was not easy to be around.
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's he's he's he's kind of a pain in
Speaker 1: the ass, the salt of the earth. He knows how
Speaker 1: to ye, he knows how to keep people in his
Speaker 1: good graces, but the second you get in the way
Speaker 1: of his convenience, you're fucked. Like he doesn't care about
Speaker 1: you anymore. But you can be useful to him. You know.
Speaker 1: That's different than right, him being a nice guy.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 1: This is from Meyer Mania the Homie Sean Let's hit
Speaker 1: It Boss.
Speaker 2: In early nineteen ninety nine, between his stintson WW ANDWCW,
Speaker 2: I had the privilege of seeing Sid in Quincy, Illinois.
Speaker 2: Harley Race had just started World League Wrestling the WLW,
Speaker 2: a nice little indie outfit in the Midwest that still
Speaker 2: exists around Saint Louis. To hype his TV taping at
Speaker 2: the Quincy High Gym. He booked the Master and Ruler
Speaker 2: of the World. This was my first pro wrestling show.
Speaker 2: I was in seventh grade from a town of roughly
Speaker 2: one hundred people and going to Quincy, population forty thousand
Speaker 2: was the big city to a kid like me. My
Speaker 2: dad was one of the few lapsed dads that knew
Speaker 2: it used to be better, but still watched the product
Speaker 2: and didn't shame me for doing the same. That night,
Speaker 2: Sid drew probably a few hundred to the gym, not
Speaker 2: a big crowd, but a decent amount for a town.
Speaker 2: Matt Size Gordon solely worked for WLW in one of
Speaker 2: his last ventures in the business before he passed, so
Speaker 2: I got to see him Man Harley, though admittedly I
Speaker 2: had no idea I was in the presence of Bumpman
Speaker 2: and the pimp king of the cad at the time. Also,
Speaker 2: Trevor Murdoch was on the card, who was and probably
Speaker 2: still is the highest profile wrestler to be developed out
Speaker 2: of Hardley's territory. Sid squashed whoever. He was such a
Speaker 2: giant beast compared to the others on the card, But
Speaker 2: the absolute highlight was before he finished off the jobber.
Speaker 2: He gave that snappy Sid look to the crowd. Our
Speaker 2: eyes met. I yelled power bomb as loud as I could.
Speaker 2: Sid's eyes grew wide, and he asked power bomb yes,
Speaker 2: to which I nodded and pumped my fists as this
Speaker 2: poor bastard jobber took probably the biggest ride of his career.
Speaker 2: I'll never forget it, and to this day, my dad
Speaker 2: will still bring it up from time to time. I've
Speaker 2: been to several w W and AW shows since, from
Speaker 2: Wrestlmingia twenty two to All Out, but I'll always remember
Speaker 2: my dad taking me and my sister out to eat
Speaker 2: at Steak and Shake, going to buy WW the Music
Speaker 2: Volume three at Walmart, and heading over to Quinsey High
Speaker 2: for my first live journey into the sport of king. Yes,
Speaker 2: all the best from one of year ogs.
Speaker 1: Who is it?
Speaker 2: Oh, Sean? Oh?
Speaker 1: I thought you cut out for a second. Oh no, Well,
Speaker 1: there's absolutely great stuff, Anthony writes to your co chairs.
Speaker 1: I liked at the time to memorialize it of that
Speaker 1: fucking cast to help do that. Sid isn't a guy
Speaker 1: that comes to mind when you think about your wrestling
Speaker 1: with Aunt Rushmore or even your top twenty favorite wrestlers
Speaker 1: of all time. But he had something very rare, and
Speaker 1: that's believability. His intensity was attention grabbing and an intangible
Speaker 1: that helps you suspend your disbelief while watching wrestling, And
Speaker 1: for that in his star power, I consider him underrated nowadays.
Speaker 1: I quickly familiarized myself with them in nineteen ninety two
Speaker 1: when I started watching wrestling weekly. Kind Of hard to
Speaker 1: believe nowadays, but back then I only knew of him
Speaker 1: thanks to VHS rentals at blockbustered my local mom and
Speaker 1: pop video stores. I can think of three major pay
Speaker 1: per views I would run over and over again, WWF
Speaker 1: SummerSlam nineteen ninety one, Hey now our first episode, Royal
Speaker 1: ronint ninety two, and wrestle Mania eight. Absolutely, that's a
Speaker 1: holy trinity right there. Three shows that sid played a
Speaker 1: huge role in his heel on Hogan. He'll turn on
Speaker 1: Hogan was excellent, Perhaps the final feud of a babyface
Speaker 1: Hogan that mattered his barbershop interview hyping WrestleMania eight was legendary.
Speaker 1: Who else could bought a chair shot, get baby powder
Speaker 1: all over their face, take that and look like a
Speaker 1: psycho killer and have it improved the segment. Only Sid
Speaker 1: could do that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.
Speaker 1: My favorite memory of Sid and when I always treasure,
Speaker 1: was attending the nineteen ninety six Survivor series as an
Speaker 1: eight year old. Wow, I'd imagine my excitement as my
Speaker 1: parents told me the day of the show that we
Speaker 1: were going to go. I still remember that train ride
Speaker 1: to Madith the Square Garden, checking all the wrestling magazines
Speaker 1: of the new stand in Time Square, seeing people were
Speaker 1: encroasting makeup in the garden, which made me feel uneasy
Speaker 1: as I was a huge WWF fan. The garden wasn't
Speaker 1: sold out, but it was. That's wild because that was
Speaker 1: you know, that was still a fresh thing, just like
Speaker 1: a month old at that point. Yeah, that's a good point.
Speaker 1: The garden wasn't sold out, but it was rocking. As
Speaker 1: young as I was, I went with the momentum of
Speaker 1: the crowd that night. I didn't boo brat Hart, but
Speaker 1: I did cheer Steve Austin too. I was swayed in
Speaker 1: a cheering Sid to win the title that night as
Speaker 1: he defeated my then favorite Seawn Michaels in the main event.
Speaker 1: Can you imagine that showed up to an eight year
Speaker 1: old and deciding to boo Shawn Michaels even though you
Speaker 1: love the guy.
Speaker 2: Because that's yep. I mean, hey, you know what, I'll
Speaker 2: tell you what. I had a similar experience the opposite
Speaker 2: way the year prior when I went to that Worcester
Speaker 2: in High Gear Tour show and I go there expecting
Speaker 2: the bou Shawn Michaels, and everyone's cheering for him, and
Speaker 2: I'm like, well, I guess I better cheer for Shawn Michaels.
Speaker 1: It was an electric night and something I never experienced before.
Speaker 1: I never saw the top face get turned on in
Speaker 1: my fandom. SidD the power to do that here in
Speaker 1: New York, first against hulccan at ninety two Rumble and
Speaker 1: again against Don Michael's. I will choose to remember the nights,
Speaker 1: the highs rather of Sid's career and how fun it
Speaker 1: was to be a fen during his ninety one ninety
Speaker 1: two run and the fall of ninety six, where the
Speaker 1: seeds of the Attitude era were planted. As always, thanks
Speaker 1: for the cast, guys, I've been a loyal listener for
Speaker 1: years and years now. I look forward to the lapse
Speaker 1: treatment in a RAAR review of a raw during a
Speaker 1: great time period. I will finish up my email bass
Speaker 1: and the coachairs. What is your favorite Sid figures? Glube
Speaker 1: Hasbro or Jacks? Oh my god, it's not even close,
Speaker 1: Globe even close.
Speaker 2: Yeah, just just for the fact that he's he's got
Speaker 2: those those giant fists, you know, and he can do
Speaker 2: the he can do the club into the back.
Speaker 1: Yeah, perfect, yep, And it just it just it's the
Speaker 1: only figure that actually looks like Sid, right, it resembles him.
Speaker 1: The hair works in the back, the musculature is right,
Speaker 1: he's a little taller than the other figures. It's great.
Speaker 1: And he's got the sing lead on which was to
Speaker 1: cover the stab, the the the surgery scar from the
Speaker 1: broken ribs. As we found out, Blake, the Master, who
Speaker 1: would ever say the Jacks Sid is their favorite? Why
Speaker 1: even't put that on there? Honestly, that thing was a nightmare.
Speaker 2: I mean it looked so weird.
Speaker 1: Toy sucked.
Speaker 2: I mean his face was horrible, horrible. His eyes were
Speaker 2: just like white dots. Yeah, and they were like wide eyed, like.
Speaker 2: It looked very weird.
Speaker 1: Blake writes, the Master and Ruler, it feels like a
Speaker 1: darker place without Sid. I know he didn't give a fuck,
Speaker 1: and that's why we love him. We admire his business
Speaker 1: view of this Carney circus that has ruined our one
Speaker 1: chance on this rock we call earth. I think that's
Speaker 1: the intangible that he had that people couldn't put their
Speaker 1: finger on. Everyone wants to not give a fuck, and
Speaker 1: no one knows how except Sid. The man left a
Speaker 1: big money to play softball in Arkansas. Man, there's no
Speaker 1: more giving not a fuck than calling Arkansas home, which
Speaker 1: leads me to my personal Sid anecdote. And like everything
Speaker 1: in this lapsed life, it's bullshit, but it's real bullshit.
Speaker 1: For all my life, I've had a family in Memphis,
Speaker 1: brother Lawla Coca Cola Middle Schools hoof anyway to get
Speaker 1: to Memphis from the West, one must first drive through
Speaker 1: West Memphis, Arkansaw, which anyone worth their salt knows this
Speaker 1: is where the Master and the rule of the world
Speaker 1: hails from. So every year, for probably thirty years, when
Speaker 1: I would drive down there, I would have my head
Speaker 1: on a swivel in West Memphis looking for large Cadillacs
Speaker 1: or town cars driven by a curly headed monster. It
Speaker 1: never happened, and I guess it never will now. I
Speaker 1: do have faith. One day, though, something will happen on
Speaker 1: that drive, and when it does, I'll say, can we
Speaker 1: do that again? Then my wife will look at me
Speaker 1: with a dead eye and crooked mouth and drool while
Speaker 1: she says we're live, pal which I'll say, it's fine,
Speaker 1: yest in Peace, Power and pussy Master, lapsed locker room
Speaker 1: lad Brother, Blake, Josh Geert, thank you very much for
Speaker 1: bumping up that pledge. We love it. Zack has a
Speaker 1: very provocative question. It's just one line, boss, Imagine working
Speaker 1: at a shooting range?
Speaker 2: Is that it? Yep? Imagine working in a shooting range.
Speaker 2: I mean Bend was shooting range before?
Speaker 1: About it?
Speaker 2: Okay, working work?
Speaker 1: Get your ask. Yeah, you can't go out there having
Speaker 1: fake fights at the shooting range. Okay. I think that's
Speaker 1: where Tony van Silva was a shooting range and I
Speaker 1: think so too. Okay. A tool Belt for Daddy has
Speaker 1: an interesting take on our premium live event live calls
Speaker 1: on Patreon. He says, the tag the co chairman used
Speaker 1: is we watch you don't have to, But the truth
Speaker 1: is I watch so I can also listen to the
Speaker 1: live call.
Speaker 2: There we go.
Speaker 1: The reason people watch modern WWE how weird is that?
Speaker 1: That's I'm sorry, Roshan Patel, thank you very much for
Speaker 1: your pledge. Welcome into the inner circle. Triple Biz writes.
Speaker 1: Vince sleeps in one of those water tanks from Empire
Speaker 1: strikes back.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, yes he does.
Speaker 1: He does.
Speaker 2: With a fucking you know, with a mouthpiece, you know,
Speaker 2: like a face mask. There, Yes, he's and then when
Speaker 2: he's uh yeah, when he wakes up, he floats up
Speaker 2: to the top.
Speaker 1: Twenty twenty four was a year of pulling random shows
Speaker 1: for the entirety of our you know, actual formal show
Speaker 1: coverage on the main field, and that men ECW and
Speaker 1: that men Living Dangerously and that meant that Roberta decided
Speaker 1: that it's time to write this email about a night
Speaker 1: that Roberta spent in the midst in two thousand.
Speaker 2: Greeting as coach chairman, just writing in to share some
Speaker 2: bleak memories that your ECW Living Dangerously episode dislodged about
Speaker 2: one of the longest, dumbest nights of my life. This
Speaker 2: period was the peak of my contrarianism infected wrestling fandom.
Speaker 2: I was laid to the dirt sheets wrestling Internet, but
Speaker 2: when I discovered it I became one of those kinds
Speaker 2: of fans. Everyone listening knows what I mean. So I
Speaker 2: got into ECW way more, which led me to July
Speaker 2: twenty first, two thousand, when I attended my one and
Speaker 2: only ECW event, when myself and four other teenage losers
Speaker 2: packed into a tiny car and drove two hours to
Speaker 2: the mediocre city of Decatur, Illinois for a house show
Speaker 2: attended by eight hundred other lost souls. We had no
Speaker 2: idea this was a dying promotion at the time, but
Speaker 2: I invite you to take in this card. Bill Wiles
Speaker 2: defeated Julio Fantastico means nothing to me. FBI defeated Christian
Speaker 2: York and Joey Matthews means nothing to me. Willie Frasier
Speaker 2: defeated Red Dog means nothing. Yes, Chris Chetty and Nova
Speaker 2: defeated Easy Money and Chris Hammrick. I remember, I know
Speaker 2: the names Chris Chetty and Nova. S W. Champ Just
Speaker 2: Incredible defeated Kid Cash. I know, I think I know
Speaker 2: Kid Cash. I know Just Incredible. Tommy Drina Dreamer, Danny
Speaker 2: Doring and Amish Roadkill defeated Simon Diamond, Just Johnny Swinger
Speaker 2: and c w Anderson, Sandman Into Jerry defeated Scottie Anton
Speaker 2: and Rhino Rob Van Dam defeated Steve Corino. Some highlights.
Speaker 2: Seeing RVD that close that closely was still was, and
Speaker 2: still remains one of my all time live wrestling highlights.
Speaker 2: And now the in retrospect low lights. Yes, teenage me
Speaker 2: was way too excited to see France scene then managing
Speaker 2: just incredible in person. The crowd loved Sandman's entrance. One
Speaker 2: of the dirt bags in my group sprinted over to
Speaker 2: where Sandman came out into the crowd to get some
Speaker 2: cheap beer poured on his face. As a proud daygo,
Speaker 2: I bought an f the eyeshirt we chanted absolutely appealing,
Speaker 2: appalling things rather all night that I'd rather not repeat.
Speaker 2: And here's where it really goes off the rails. The
Speaker 2: wrestlers were signing autographs and hanging out after the show
Speaker 2: at their hotel. For some reason, I have a red
Speaker 2: roof Inn burned in my head. RVD smartly was nowhere
Speaker 2: to be seen. Many of the wrestlers there were already
Speaker 2: absolutely Shitthouse, especially Sandman. I didn't drink and was pretty sheltered,
Speaker 2: so this site was pretty eye opening and sad to me.
Speaker 2: I got autographs all over the sleeve of my ECW
Speaker 2: Extreme music album. One friend stole a folding chair to
Speaker 2: get autographed. No wrestlers wanted to talk. They looked miss.
Speaker 1: Awesome.
Speaker 2: A man with a mustache, glasses, jean shorts, and black
Speaker 2: graphic shirt danced alone on a dance floor to DMX's
Speaker 2: party up. I can't shake this one. This is where
Speaker 2: I really started to rethink my fandom. The oldest member
Speaker 2: of our group was fixated on getting a picture with
Speaker 2: Justin Credible. He kept blowing us off but telling us
Speaker 2: to stick around, so we had to stick around. I
Speaker 2: called my mom more than once to let her know
Speaker 2: my arrival. ETA was getting later and later, tired and
Speaker 2: annoyed at my friends. My ECW fandom was dying by
Speaker 2: the minute. At two am, Just Incredible by then so
Speaker 2: drunk and high he was on another planet, agreed to
Speaker 2: take a picture our group of five. Justin Francine, Sally Graziano,
Speaker 2: Huge in person, and a few ring rats walked down
Speaker 2: this hotel hallway and into a parking lot, where he
Speaker 2: took a pick with us. I wish I had a
Speaker 2: copy to share, but I remember him basically hanging off
Speaker 2: of us.
Speaker 1: No.
Speaker 2: About ten minutes from home at four am, We've got
Speaker 2: pulled over. We were definitely out way past local curfew laws.
Speaker 2: We show the police our autographs to back up our story.
Speaker 2: I wish I knew what was going through their heads. Mercifully,
Speaker 2: my mom was too relieved I wasn't dead to be
Speaker 2: mad at me when I walked in. About seven hours later,
Speaker 2: two guys in the group came over to ask if
Speaker 2: I wanted to go with them to Peoria for that
Speaker 2: night's ECWTV taping. My mom laughed in their faces and
Speaker 2: told them to take yes. While she wouldn't have allowed it,
Speaker 2: I didn't want to go anyway, so she saved me
Speaker 2: from having to say no. This night pretty much murdered
Speaker 2: my interest in ECW. Boss, I want you to feel
Speaker 2: vindicated about your feelings towards this promotion.
Speaker 1: That that's as east W as memories of guests right there, man, yep,
Speaker 1: and a huge miss huge, a missed opportunity. Uh you
Speaker 1: know when the Misfits and Action were created in w
Speaker 1: CW by Vince Russo, famously, Hugh Morris was renamed Hugh
Speaker 1: g Erection. Remember that, Yes, I would suggest in the email,
Speaker 1: or maybe think of it. Hugh Gin person might be.
Speaker 2: I mean good for for Gracian Yeah.
Speaker 1: H h g h middle named g I N last
Speaker 1: name person. Yeah, yeah it works. That does sound like
Speaker 1: such a great atmosphere of Boston. Are you so mad
Speaker 1: you missed all those ECW shows?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm so. I imagine that the arena smelled like
Speaker 2: piss and shit, uh and and peppers and onions. Sure,
Speaker 2: so I'm good. I'm good never having experienced that, never
Speaker 2: wanting to, never desiring it, never needing it.
Speaker 1: Well, A tool belt for Daddy has Living Dangerously memories
Speaker 1: as well. Greetings co chairs.
Speaker 2: Listening to.
Speaker 1: Listening to the Living Dangerously two thousand rundown reminded me
Speaker 1: of the first ECW event that came through the Saint
Speaker 1: Louis area, which I attended April sixteen of that year,
Speaker 1: a mere week after Awesome debuted Mike Austin and WCW
Speaker 1: in two days after dropping the belt to Taz. While
Speaker 1: labeled as Russell Palooza two thousand, it was essentially just
Speaker 1: a TV taping and if memory serves, was more of
Speaker 1: an Angle Palooza. But I digress Taz was not on
Speaker 1: the show.
Speaker 2: The Angle Pull.
Speaker 1: Day prior was a fan fest that we attended.
Speaker 2: Sounds like a Curt Angle special.
Speaker 1: I kind of like that, like just to a show
Speaker 1: that's only angles. Yeah, Angle Pollute.
Speaker 2: It's called a Vince Russo book.
Speaker 1: I know exactly, I've seen it before. The day prior
Speaker 1: there was a fan fast that we attended. We bought
Speaker 1: posters that we got autographed by a dozen or so
Speaker 1: of the guys in true CW fashion. The poster was
Speaker 1: left over from an April seventh event in Warren, Ohio,
Speaker 1: and still featured Mike Awesome as schedule to appear. On
Speaker 1: my poster, Sally crossed out Mike Ausam's name, prompting Mikey
Speaker 1: to change the phrasing to read Mikey is Awesome. Sal
Speaker 1: also wrote dl z nick with an arrow to Mike's
Speaker 1: name on my Buddies poster, the word which I now
Speaker 1: understand to simply be Dick and Carney. Oh I see
Speaker 1: dizz brother Dyl's nick became at the time a mystery
Speaker 1: that had to be unraveled. Sale told us to ask
Speaker 1: Joey what it meant. Joey played dumb, as did Fran
Speaker 1: scene so as the twenty year old idiots we were.
Speaker 1: We wrote DL's nick on eight pieces of poster board
Speaker 1: and took it to the show the next night, chanting it.
Speaker 1: When the FBI came out, Sal saw us, shook his
Speaker 1: head and laughed. Fast forward a month and much of
Speaker 1: the same group are attending hardcore Heaven and Milwaukee, another
Speaker 1: show I can't wait to come out of the hopper
Speaker 1: thanks to more Rhino and Lori Fullington Shenanigans. I believe
Speaker 1: the FBI were in the opening match, which normally gets
Speaker 1: our Dil's nick chant on the pay per view audio
Speaker 1: along with Sal's these fucking guys again reaction to it,
Speaker 1: but it also features a brief power outage thanks to
Speaker 1: the Wien concert taking place in the same building at
Speaker 1: the same time. All told, we probably attended a half
Speaker 1: dozen shows over the year two thousand and then. While
Speaker 1: the shows weren't necessarily great, the memories are. And I'll
Speaker 1: always have a soft spot for Sal's fat ass, and
Speaker 1: he attaches a picture of.
Speaker 2: He's also got soft spots in his fat ass as well.
Speaker 1: Yes, man, Yeah, that was it. That was an era, man,
Speaker 1: That was the time to be an ECW fan, That's
Speaker 1: for sure. That's a unique one, so thanks very much
Speaker 1: for those. That's of course, part of our Living Dangerously
Speaker 1: two thousand coverage, which is Mike Awesome leaving the company
Speaker 1: and the details on his contract coming to WCW and
Speaker 1: all that and his last pay per view appearance as
Speaker 1: a ECW champion. Teddy says Jack calling the match while
Speaker 1: the Boss falls asleep is still infinitely more entertaining than
Speaker 1: any other wrestling podcasts, So uh, lick her up in
Speaker 1: the new year, Boss, that's the suggestion, and says I'll
Speaker 1: bet Hogan still wakes up in a cold sweat, knowing
Speaker 1: he never got his win back against Yokozuna before he died.
Speaker 1: Surely he tries to go back to sleep by convincing
Speaker 1: himself it's okay because he won their first match, but
Speaker 1: surely up all night and probably wakes Fish Off up
Speaker 1: in Wyoming to yell at him for never signing a
Speaker 1: nine hundred pound yokes at the very end. Yeah, BJ Lalande,
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Speaker 1: Summer Slam in February, which sounds absurd.
Speaker 2: But I'm surprised they don't.
Speaker 1: Honest man, he points out, if it would occurs somewhere
Speaker 1: in the southern Hemisphere, like Australia, then it could accurately
Speaker 1: be called Summer Slam because.
Speaker 2: They could be Yeah, you know, you could have Summer Slam,
Speaker 2: you know, anywhere, honestly, Yeah, anywhere below the equator. Summer
Speaker 2: Slam could happen in the winter, and should happen in
Speaker 2: the winter, that right, you think? So, yeah, our winter, Yeah,
Speaker 2: would have to. I tell you it's what it's actually
Speaker 2: a dream of mine. I want to go down to.
Speaker 3: That.
Speaker 2: There's a there's a city at the southernmost tip of
Speaker 2: South America called Ushuaia, and they have a massive winter
Speaker 2: Solstice party, like an event celebration, but it's their winter Solstice,
Speaker 2: so it's June. Wow, so I want to go in June.
Speaker 2: Like I was like, you know, I've I've experienced winter
Speaker 2: where it's warm, but I've never experienced my summer when
Speaker 2: it's cold, and I want to do that.
Speaker 1: I've never even heard of that. That's crazy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had I did a thing for uh when
Speaker 2: my kid was in like kindergarten. They had us put
Speaker 2: on a you know, they had us put on a
Speaker 2: show for them, Like they said, can you you know,
Speaker 2: they want us to arrange a holiday like a non
Speaker 2: denominational holiday party, a holiday show with the kids and stuff.
Speaker 2: And I was like, all right, well when we go
Speaker 2: hard on this and like pick a bunch of different
Speaker 2: like random right, you know, winter celebrations. And then I
Speaker 2: found I like, well, wait a minute, you know, not
Speaker 2: everybody celebrates winter when we do. There's a whole half
Speaker 2: of the world that we kind of ignore, you know,
Speaker 2: that we don't ever really consider that they celebrate, you know,
Speaker 2: winter during our summer, like they deserve to have some recognition.
Speaker 2: And so I found out I found out this this
Speaker 2: this city down in South America, like honestly, like you can't.
Speaker 2: I think it's the southernmost tip of the world.
Speaker 1: Wow, I've never heard of this in my whole life.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's wild. I want to go. I want
Speaker 2: to go, although the thought of the plane ride does
Speaker 2: fucking turn me completely off.
Speaker 1: But oh, what's the total what's the total damage on that?
Speaker 2: I have no idea. I did look it up one time,
Speaker 2: but I haven't done it in a while. It's it's
Speaker 2: in Argentina and it's like way way way down. Yeah,
Speaker 2: and uh, I would love yet, I'd love I would
Speaker 2: love to go. And I think I think I think
Speaker 2: you can even take I don't maybe I maybe I
Speaker 2: I imagine this or not. I don't know, but I
Speaker 2: think you can take like I don't know, like it's
Speaker 2: close enough to Antarctica, like you can take you know,
Speaker 2: like uh, maybe helicopter trips Antarctica. I don't remember if
Speaker 2: that was actually the case or not, if I just
Speaker 2: made that up. But yeah, oh no, it's a here,
Speaker 2: it's a well, it's it's still a ways. I guess
Speaker 2: it's six hundred and eighty miles from the Antarctic peninsula. Wow.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that must be a multi multi hop journey.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I would imagine. So I mean it's way way.
Speaker 1: Down multiple forms of transit there.
Speaker 2: I imagine that that Apple Maps would not have a
Speaker 2: an easy an easy route maybe Nationals. Actually, I bet
Speaker 2: it does.
Speaker 1: It doesn't sound like a direct trip, let's put it
Speaker 1: that way.
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I'd probably have to make a couple
Speaker 2: of stops.
Speaker 1: Well, unfortunately for us, Tim made a stop at a
Speaker 1: liquor store in Rhode Island over the summer because hul
Speaker 1: Cogan was out promoting his beer. Remember this is America
Speaker 1: whatever it was called, weel American beer and.
Speaker 2: Is he going to be the secretary of of of embibment.
Speaker 1: It's zero to beer, of tobacco, alcohol and fire.
Speaker 3: There we go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, yes, it means to be seen.
Speaker 2: Haul Cogan was doing a tour Rhode Island liquor stores
Speaker 2: on August twenty seventh and August twenty eighth in support
Speaker 2: of his beer Bent brand, Real American Beer. I waited
Speaker 2: in line for several hours at Heritage Liquors in Cramson,
Speaker 2: Rhode Island to get my chance to meet him, and
Speaker 2: figured I would mention Sid since I had just rewatched
Speaker 2: their match following his passing, I recorded the attached audio.
Speaker 2: The first part is muffled because his agent or handler
Speaker 2: took my phone to take photos, but it clears up
Speaker 2: shortly after. The part they got me and I initially
Speaker 2: missed was him saying, freaks me out. Dude. You guys
Speaker 2: might get a kick out of it. Oh yeah, thank
Speaker 2: you for the bottom of my heart, for everything you
Speaker 2: guys do. The cast has been an integral part of
Speaker 2: my life for these past few years. I also touched photos,
Speaker 2: one of me and him and one of his Jordans.
Speaker 2: Ha ha, that's wild.
Speaker 1: Oh we've got a dispatch from the field. What do
Speaker 1: you say you want to hear from the.
Speaker 2: I got to hear this ship.
Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's always three.
Speaker 2: That's I know.
Speaker 1: It's so said, always like that freaks me out.
Speaker 3: Yeah he was. He was a little different.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm.
Speaker 3: Sure you got story. Is little good. I'm sure you
Speaker 3: got story. You want to hear me? Yeah?
Speaker 7: Bad?
Speaker 3: Thanks man, take care?
Speaker 2: Hey, thank you. That brought freaks me out. He's always
Speaker 2: a little different, freaking out. You're talking to me, brother,
Speaker 2: that freaks me out.
Speaker 1: H It comes in threes, dude, could I be am?
Speaker 1: I wait a minute? Am I the third man?
Speaker 2: Who who roller?
Speaker 1: Wait?
Speaker 2: Monkeys. Yep, good point, that's exactly it. John wants this monkeys.
Speaker 1: John wants us to know that comedian Patrese O'Neill wrote
Speaker 1: for WWE in two thousand.
Speaker 2: Boss Oh Boy, Oh Boy, the late great stand up comedian,
Speaker 2: spent perhaps the shortest stint on WB's creative team as
Speaker 2: anyone in history, sometime around November of two thousand. As
Speaker 2: the story goes, according to Patrise O'Neil's manager, Jason Steinberg, quote,
Speaker 2: someone from WE at the time saw Patrese perform one
Speaker 2: night in New York, and shortly after that we were
Speaker 2: approached by them about Patrise working there. And according to
Speaker 2: O'Neill's widow von de Carlo, they had him up to
Speaker 2: Vince's house in Connecticut and he went on one week
Speaker 2: of shows. That's it. At the end of that week,
Speaker 2: according to his story, Patrese told me himself, when we
Speaker 2: worked together on his VH one show Web Junk, McMahon
Speaker 2: handed him a thirteen week contract in his travel info
Speaker 2: for the next month of TV tapings. Patrese took one
Speaker 2: look at it and told her I have shows. That
Speaker 2: was Patrese, a comedian through and through, even in the
Speaker 2: face of a dream job. That's also an example of
Speaker 2: how it is to work for Vince McMahon. He makes
Speaker 2: wrestling his life and expects you to do the same
Speaker 2: while under his employ As De Carlo told me, Patrese
Speaker 2: described working for ww Creative as a quote cult.
Speaker 1: Oh, come on, that's unfair that the.
Speaker 2: Vibe felt like, quote you can do the rest of
Speaker 2: your life. When Vince says so.
Speaker 1: It's so true, man, so true. And we've heard that.
Speaker 1: It's like over and over again from people who come
Speaker 1: out the other side. It's like, yeah, he doesn't say
Speaker 1: you can't have a life, but you don't know when
Speaker 1: you can have a life. Like, Okay, I guess I'm
Speaker 1: working this Saturday month morning and afternoon. I thought it
Speaker 1: was my day off, but Vince decided that there's something
Speaker 1: that has to be resolved today.
Speaker 2: I didn't say you had a day off, right exactly.
Speaker 2: I didn't say, hey, you know, you can take the
Speaker 2: next two days to yourself and enjoy your family, enjoy
Speaker 2: the night off, go out to the town. I didn't
Speaker 2: say that. I said good night, Wow, see you.
Speaker 1: In the wow, see you in the morning. And Vince
Speaker 1: needs it now. Vince needs you now. It's not complicated.
Speaker 2: Aren't you having fun?
Speaker 1: Right?
Speaker 2: This is fun?
Speaker 1: Your dream job.
Speaker 2: Working is life, Life is work, Life is a work.
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Speaker 1: remember that they're using a stop signed ECW? She goes, oh,
Speaker 1: that could there is Let me.
Speaker 2: Tell you my mom fears nothing more than getting hit
Speaker 2: in the temple, hyper specific all right, like that, like
Speaker 2: like that is a I remember the first time she
Speaker 2: told me. And you know, I've never even looked this
Speaker 2: up to see if this was true or not, but
Speaker 2: like that, if you get hit in the temple, you
Speaker 2: could die. Yeah, right, is that true? Yeah, if you
Speaker 2: could hit anywhere in the head, you could die. But well,
Speaker 2: all right, I mean yeah trying that's not like specifically
Speaker 2: the temple.
Speaker 1: I think the temple can knock you out like a
Speaker 1: little more easily. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, she's like basically any blow to the head to
Speaker 2: the temple and you die, right, you know that's she's
Speaker 2: been like fear of God about that.
Speaker 1: I mean, you're going back and forth.
Speaker 2: I was a kid.
Speaker 1: I actually because Scott Michael pointed that out. I went
Speaker 1: back and like listened to one hundred times Left Massa
Speaker 1: because it's like if I remember, it's been a while now,
Speaker 1: but if I remember, correct, You're going back and forth
Speaker 1: with your mom about you know, the danger of hitting
Speaker 1: some of the stop sign and it's hit him in
Speaker 1: the temple, and you go, that could be serious injury.
Speaker 1: She goes, well, it could be death. She like she
Speaker 1: corrects you almost, yeah, right, exactly. Now, Now I know
Speaker 1: while you're going back and forth with her about the temple,
Speaker 1: because you knew what we could light a fire over her.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I know, I know, I I yes, gotta gotta
Speaker 2: kind of get her going on some of that show.
Speaker 1: That's a pleasure. Brett recalls that this is the U
Speaker 1: when you were doing Vince's voice on The Buried a
Speaker 1: live episode and Jim Ross is in his full heel
Speaker 1: mode and Vince is trying to you know, kind of
Speaker 1: big legalm and pretend to be more refined than JR. Yes,
Speaker 1: And at one point, I don't remember this, Vince says,
Speaker 1: I probably don't. He is a barbecue fan. Where Brett
Speaker 1: nails it when he says laps Vince will always be
Speaker 1: the undisputed champion, and that turned out to be true
Speaker 1: in the t lf X games Man, and that is
Speaker 1: very true. Jeff Wright's coming home from a Salesforce training
Speaker 1: on customer Journeys to hear Vince called nineteen ninety six
Speaker 1: WWE a customer Journey was a vibe. Hey, I want
Speaker 1: to send a huge thank you to Robert Reynolds. This
Speaker 1: kind of fell through the cracks. Do you ever go
Speaker 1: to Nordli's. Do they have any around you Nardelli's, I
Speaker 1: mean nor Deli's.
Speaker 2: Yeah go and yeah, absolutely the homie s Connecticut fucking
Speaker 2: sent us a fifty dollars gift card to Nardelli's.
Speaker 1: Oh so put that to use because there's none close
Speaker 1: to me.
Speaker 2: No, it's a Connecticut thing. Oh it is only Connecticut,
Speaker 2: I think, or at least that they're at least that's
Speaker 2: I've never seen them outside of Connecticut. Maybe like maybe
Speaker 2: close to the border in New York, but not not
Speaker 2: other than that, right man.
Speaker 1: That's uh, that's awesome. We appreciate that. And I couldn't
Speaker 1: do this, but I appreciated. Christopher Grieve, who's such a
Speaker 1: wonderful guy, such a great Solar System member, so awesome
Speaker 1: Mote Tier series as it gets there for you, sent
Speaker 1: us some cheese on PayPal, and he wanted us to
Speaker 1: do a live call of Hulk's RNC address.
Speaker 2: Oh I can't go that. I can't.
Speaker 1: Yeah, let us know, let us know if you want
Speaker 1: to back man, because I I thought about it. It's like,
Speaker 1: now as soon as we go there, it's over, you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. Ethan Suppley, who's Ethan Suppley.
Speaker 2: Oh he's an actor.
Speaker 1: Okay, this is tim. I don't know if you guys
Speaker 1: read episode comments and Patreon. But Jared Saines brought up
Speaker 1: a point that I replied to regarding Ethan so plays
Speaker 1: connection to wrestling. Figured I would tip you guys in
Speaker 1: case you ignore comments like I usually do. Okay, Ethan
Speaker 1: slip papers and mal Rats and also played Vader's son
Speaker 1: and Boy Meets World. Is that qualifying for mal Rats
Speaker 1: laying the son of Vader.
Speaker 2: No, because he needs to actually wrestle. It needs to
Speaker 2: be some kind of legit wrestling connection. But it's close.
Speaker 2: It's a good effort. I will say that because mal
Speaker 2: Rats is. But there's actually I mean, look, mall Rats
Speaker 2: is actually easier really than we all think.
Speaker 1: Is it because of Burnley?
Speaker 2: No? No, actually not even well, I mean that that's possible,
Speaker 2: but actually, uh, Kevin Smith himself, because Kevin Smith went
Speaker 2: like a three episode story thing on AE. That counts.
Speaker 2: That absolutely counts. I mean that opens up Kevin Smith. Well,
Speaker 2: I don't know if all of Kevin Smith.
Speaker 1: If that, if that counts wall Rats, then maybe we
Speaker 1: don't need to read what I just sent you. I
Speaker 1: want to just put it in your back pocket. But
Speaker 1: the whole Brodie Lee character that that uh you know,
Speaker 1: the former debuties lu Carper played was inspired by the
Speaker 1: movie as well, and it was laid out very cleanly
Speaker 1: in the email I just sent you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, take it, take a read. People are interested. There
Speaker 2: you go on an email, the email.
Speaker 1: Everyone wants to wall rats to qualify so bad.
Speaker 2: Yeah, read the email. It Mike co co chairs and
Speaker 2: analyzers of anal assimilation for a long time. I'm a
Speaker 2: longtime listener who remains comfortable being a free loading bitch,
Speaker 2: mostly because I am a sole breadwinner of a family
Speaker 2: of three. You're philosophical, but uh no, no, I mean
Speaker 2: there's society. Your philosophical banter about stage combat and simulated
Speaker 2: athletics keeps me entertained during mundane household chores like sweeping, vacuuming, mopping,
Speaker 2: and scooping catshit out of litter boxes. I don't have
Speaker 2: an elaborate stop sob story or embellished past to tug
Speaker 2: on your heartstrings like other Carney inspired listeners. But I'm
Speaker 2: a lifelong wrestling fan from the Bronx who still wears
Speaker 2: wrestling shirts to the chagrin of my wife and my
Speaker 2: mother and who flashed a too sweet when my son
Speaker 2: was born while wearing a bray Wyat shirt, sparking a
Speaker 2: yearly tradition of wearing that shirt and flashing the two
Speaker 2: sweet on his birthday with him. And yes, the shirt
Speaker 2: still fits size large, which means I'm not a complete failure,
Speaker 2: although I get goosebumps making late night grub Hub and
Speaker 2: door Dash orders instructing the delivery person to not ring
Speaker 2: the beetle or call me and to leave the food
Speaker 2: on the chair near my doors xactly delivery on the
Speaker 2: app and watch them through the door, ignoring their phone
Speaker 2: calls because I clearly said not to in my instruction.
Speaker 2: I love that, and waiting for them to leave so
Speaker 2: I can shuffle out of my socks and grab the
Speaker 2: food while looking left and right to see if anyone
Speaker 2: notices this shameful transaction. At one am, I enjoy the
Speaker 2: meal and destroy all traces and evidence of it before
Speaker 2: my wife wakes up to maximize the shame. I heard
Speaker 2: your desperate plea to the Solar System to see how
Speaker 2: mall rats could qualify for cinemat, and I hold this
Speaker 2: bit of information. I hope I hold this bit of
Speaker 2: information will support the cause. From the Wikipedia page of
Speaker 2: Jonathan Hubert rests in peace aka Brody Lee. If Cape
Speaker 2: Fear can count because of Bray, Whatt and Whale and mercy,
Speaker 2: I feel this should qualify Malrats. Quote. He came up
Speaker 2: with the name Brody Lee from the movie Mallrats absolutely
Speaker 2: by combining the names of actor Jason Lee and his
Speaker 2: character Brody Brooks, though his style and appearance have also
Speaker 2: brought them parents is to Bruiser Brody mistakenly thinking his
Speaker 2: ring name was derived from Bruiser. All right, yeah, it
Speaker 2: totally qualifies it. Okay, if so, I may borrow some
Speaker 2: bucks from my some piggybank to hear the co chairs
Speaker 2: Deep Dive, one of my favorite movies from my.
Speaker 1: No one needs to be in the agenda for twenty
Speaker 1: twenty four boss.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think that's uh. I think that's fair.
Speaker 2: I think that's fair. A mall rats. I love mal Right, man,
Speaker 2: I love all of you know the Kevin Smith movies.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, he had such a he had such
Speaker 1: a hold on the culture for a while there.
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, and I mean, you know, he's uh,
Speaker 2: it's such a if you watch I mean, I can
Speaker 2: watch his movies, and I do enjoy his movies, but man,
Speaker 2: they there are there are not many movies that reek
Speaker 2: so hard of the nine. Yeah, as his movie, that's
Speaker 2: so true. I mean.
Speaker 1: You mean time. It's not a negative thing.
Speaker 2: Not a negative thing, not a negative thing. It's just
Speaker 2: like you you you know, he he was, he was
Speaker 2: part of that that mid nineties independent film boom.
Speaker 7: Yeah, absolutely, when you had so many, so many of
Speaker 7: these kind of like you know, student filmish like movies.
Speaker 1: Yep, My god, so many people coming in mall rats.
Speaker 1: Now that I'm looking through this, Wow, they want it
Speaker 1: back right. It's it's there, It's there, It'll come good.
Speaker 1: It's good to know it's big. It's a big confirmation
Speaker 1: here on this episode. So a slew of thanks here.
Speaker 1: We want to thank David Lee, Martin's, Joe Napoli, Double Bizz,
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Speaker 1: simply wrote tip in honor of TLFX. Thanks for all
Speaker 1: the content that nice and we o nice little almost
Speaker 1: like a fist bump. Blake writes, we discuss past family
Speaker 1: members who also watched wrestling as if they suffered afflictions,
Speaker 1: and we are sick with the same thing and our
Speaker 1: parents are looking for genetic explanations. Mmm, it's true. George
Speaker 1: McAllister also hit us on PayPal. He writes, Dear Jack
Speaker 1: and JP, got a little bonus this month for all
Speaker 1: my hard work over the course of the year. Just
Speaker 1: wanted to share the love and give you another twenty
Speaker 1: pounds this month. Keep up the great work. Isn't that
Speaker 1: like just great citizenry at the end of the day,
Speaker 1: I agree, I agree Jesus Christ talk about straightforward good stuff.
Speaker 1: This one is newish to the solar system. It's from TC.
Speaker 1: Grew up a WB fan. Started my journey down memory
Speaker 1: lane with the Dark Side of the Ring wrestling documentaries.
Speaker 1: I keep hearing about Lapsed Wrestling podcast being mentioned in
Speaker 1: the podcast of Dark Side of the Ring. There's another
Speaker 1: new one people can push that way, So I finally
Speaker 1: took a listen. Let me tell y'all, I'm now bent
Speaker 1: over with all my hands by my ankles, taking it
Speaker 1: all the way up. You get the point. Saying it
Speaker 1: as well as hearing it always makes me cringe. Everything
Speaker 1: you both do is gold. I'm broke at the moment,
Speaker 1: but the day I get all my funds in order
Speaker 1: that that HOPPERA is open, I will bless and curse
Speaker 1: you all with a shit show to cover, because I
Speaker 1: personally believe y'all best work is when you both hate
Speaker 1: the show and mostly everyone in it. I was high
Speaker 1: as fuck one night THHC not to tea but not painkillers,
Speaker 1: and I was listening to the EPs to episode three
Speaker 1: twenty four Bash at the Beach nineteen ninety five while driving,
Speaker 1: Thank god it was late, because my god lapsed. Vader
Speaker 1: had me in tears and cramping. I could barely drive.
Speaker 1: I went back to listen to it sober as we
Speaker 1: speak while I'm working, and I had to pause it
Speaker 1: because I start dying from imagining some huge, bald guy
Speaker 1: ripping through a parking lot of people just indeat.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 3: What was.
Speaker 1: What was key about that to my memory is that,
Speaker 1: first of all, it's like the sound of the little
Speaker 1: rocks on the parking lot crunching under his boots.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: And it's that he's not he's not like blasting through
Speaker 1: people to get to the food. The food's inside. There
Speaker 1: are people outside. He's not just hitting them. He's like
Speaker 1: pursuing them, even after he's knocked them over. Like he's
Speaker 1: not pushing them out of the way. He's trying to
Speaker 1: fright them and defeat them and then go get the
Speaker 1: food a fox him up basically.
Speaker 2: Well, And I remember the thing that I loved the
Speaker 2: most too, was that there was there was like an
Speaker 2: idea of a guy who like didn't know, you know,
Speaker 2: he's trying to get out of the way but he
Speaker 2: keeps going the same way as Vader. He can't get it.
Speaker 2: He can't get it right.
Speaker 1: That's odd.
Speaker 2: He fucking gets killed.
Speaker 1: Last, but not least, there's the listen of my favorite
Speaker 1: LAPS characters below. Thanks so much for everything, keep taking
Speaker 1: us on rich historical trips have failed, but once great promotions,
Speaker 1: and continuing to remind us that wrestling is a carnival
Speaker 1: full of crazy carnies that live in their own world
Speaker 1: and worry about nothing but themselves. First ps adding driving
Speaker 1: high as fuck while listening to that fucking cast as
Speaker 1: one of those do at your own risk things. Number
Speaker 1: one is Kevin Nash, Number two is Vince McMahon, Number
Speaker 1: three is hul Cogan, Number four is said and that's
Speaker 1: before the tribute, and number five is Macho Man. Honorable
Speaker 1: mention Vader. Well, we're glad to have he as a listener. Pal,
Speaker 1: good stuff. Yeah, hilarious. Email Jennifer, who's been lapsed since
Speaker 1: twenty fourteen the wrestles owne Days Wow, writes this, Dear
Speaker 1: coach Chairman, I'm sending you this email upon one revelation,
Speaker 1: even though I did not start watching wrestling until twenty
Speaker 1: three oh four. Who was the man who was my hero,
Speaker 1: who was the wrestling god? Who do you think it was? Boss?
Speaker 1: She's from two thousand and three? Four?
Speaker 2: Oh I gibble jibbling bits.
Speaker 1: Yes, even in twenty oh four. The first iconic hero
Speaker 1: of wrestling for me was Hulk fucking Hogan. To think
Speaker 1: about that, Think about people who discovered Hulk Hogan during
Speaker 1: the two thousand and three run That's Insane. Let me explain.
Speaker 1: I was first introduced to the sport of kings to
Speaker 1: the second PS two WW SmackDown game, Shut your mouth.
Speaker 1: After that I took some interest in the product, though
Speaker 1: wouldn't say I really became a hardcore fan until couple
Speaker 1: of years later. However, in two thousand and three, I
Speaker 1: was introduced to a very special VHS tape. My dad's
Speaker 1: roommate Mick, a longtime friend in Rocker type, made a
Speaker 1: mixtape of most of Hogan's exploits of three After No
Speaker 1: Way Out two thousand and three, including his entire run
Speaker 1: as Mister America. What's Better. Mick filled the tape with
Speaker 1: divas segment. So Don Marie was flashing her naked tits naked?
Speaker 1: I don't think so? Not her? Did she did?
Speaker 2: She show it.
Speaker 1: I know she made I.
Speaker 2: Don't have to show them. I mean she might have,
Speaker 2: like you know then you know, quote unquote, you know nude.
Speaker 1: Maybe she did. Actually, I know she made out with
Speaker 1: Torri on that pay per view. I watched that more
Speaker 1: than once, but I don't know if she ever should
Speaker 1: because now I'm actually wondering if she did. I know,
Speaker 1: of course the cat did. That was the only time
Speaker 1: I thought they ever went ahead and did it on Yeah.
Speaker 2: Well, and then you had uh Jacqueline always fucking right,
Speaker 2: losing it all the time.
Speaker 1: And said was doing a sable rather Sable was doing
Speaker 1: a strip tease in between segments with Hogan beating on
Speaker 1: Piper and fucking two thousand and three, Yeah, I remember that.
Speaker 1: That was That was when Vince was after her and
Speaker 1: she ended up going with Brock. And it's probably closed
Speaker 1: a couple times on that fucking.
Speaker 2: Deal, I imagine.
Speaker 1: Honestly, I wasn't watching week to week. I couldn't even
Speaker 1: watch SmackDown for years. But outside of the occasional raw,
Speaker 1: I could peer my eye into the world of wrestling
Speaker 1: through this five and a half hour mixtape. Except I
Speaker 1: could watch this whenever I wanted, not only on Monday nights.
Speaker 1: I have to say, as a nine year old kid,
Speaker 1: I completely bought into this Hulk Hogan. For one thing,
Speaker 1: I was constantly being told both by my dad and
Speaker 1: the storylines that Hulk Hogan is some kind of legend
Speaker 1: who must be respected as the greatest sports entertainer of
Speaker 1: all time. I completely bought into the feud with him
Speaker 1: and Vince. I was interested to see him beat on
Speaker 1: Shaan O'Hair, and I found the Mister America gimmick really funny. Really,
Speaker 1: the week to week goof of fence Piper attempting to
Speaker 1: expose mister America's Hogan was perfectly tuned for a nine
Speaker 1: year old barely in a wrestling I had never been
Speaker 1: thought about that. The kids watching that just thought it
Speaker 1: was the greatest thing. Yeah, I'm quote, that's that's wild.
Speaker 1: I am not Hulk Hogan brother, because I knew nothing
Speaker 1: any way. I was just able to accept old man
Speaker 1: Hogan as a hero one could get behind, a badass
Speaker 1: fighting against the system who just wanted to get a
Speaker 1: big pop from the fans. Basically, he was my stone Cold.
Speaker 1: How weird is that Bizarres the real stone Cold? To me?
Speaker 1: Some jackass on an ATV who drinks beer and pranks
Speaker 1: Eric Bischoff, who is and has only ever been raw GM.
Speaker 1: Why does it say sob on his vest? My dad
Speaker 1: would say, to fuck with us. By the time I
Speaker 1: properly got into wrestling, my hero is definitely John Cena,
Speaker 1: at least in those preteen days before I would be
Speaker 1: too cool and jaded for him. But in my first introductions,
Speaker 1: the big guy, the star of the show, the going
Speaker 1: concern it was still Hulk Hogan. Even after WCW folded,
Speaker 1: the WW was successfully getting at least one kid in
Speaker 1: America to still believe in hulk Amania. Whether or not
Speaker 1: this email has ever seen, cheers or cheers to you
Speaker 1: and ps, I can totally send a link to digitized
Speaker 1: version of the tape. I ripped it years ago. Get
Speaker 1: I get the gist. I get the gist because I
Speaker 1: made those two. That's good. That is just a whole
Speaker 1: wild relevatory to me. To think that there are people
Speaker 1: out there that like looked around, took the stock of
Speaker 1: WW in two thousand and three and said, yeah, this
Speaker 1: guy's the coolest guy. That's just that's insane. I totally agree, Steve.
Speaker 1: He's had a great point he says, I'm sitting here
Speaker 1: listening to the live call and thinking, Wow, the guys
Speaker 1: are being a little hard on Solo so CoA. Then
Speaker 1: you say he looks like a falafel, and now I
Speaker 1: can never see that and I will never take him
Speaker 1: seriously for the rest of his life.
Speaker 2: That's right, nor should you. He's in his face right now,
Speaker 2: Oh on a stupid baby face, fat face.
Speaker 1: Why poor guy's sending me control that he's a bad ass.
Speaker 2: Can't stand him.
Speaker 1: He's not a bad look at his face.
Speaker 2: He's a bitch. He's an idiot. Oh shit, Solo so CoA.
Speaker 2: If he's Solo suck you say anyone's name like that,
Speaker 2: He's only idiots souls and look at he's just a dufus,
Speaker 2: just a complete dufis.
Speaker 1: Chocolate equals Detriment pointed this out from the lapsed funk.
Speaker 1: I bet you don't remember saying this laps fucking four
Speaker 1: hours and thirty three seconds quote. I'm gonna touch you
Speaker 1: where you stink, and I want you to accept it,
Speaker 1: understand it, and celebrate it. There's something gems in there, man,
Speaker 1: that it's gonna take a long time to resurface. But
Speaker 1: the hours and hours. We were in a trance, a
Speaker 1: Terry funk trance. I really was so true and I
Speaker 1: still remember I still remember the smell of opening the
Speaker 1: box I got from his estate sale.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, just.
Speaker 1: That smell of like someone else's stuff, do you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Yeah, yeah, it hadn't been touched in
Speaker 1: twenty five years.
Speaker 2: Because there's a hint of that mustiness to it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you know, you get an idea of what
Speaker 1: his living room smelled like. You know, yep, yep, My god,
Speaker 1: Kevin McClory. You think our homie Steve in Ireland doesn't
Speaker 1: have thoughts on this guy ooh from the Bond film.
Speaker 1: It's amazing to me that McClory tried to make himself
Speaker 1: out of his rags to riches story. He was born
Speaker 1: and lived in doing log Hair, a very wealthy part
Speaker 1: of the city that had a lot of British presence
Speaker 1: even after independence was passed. He probably went to one
Speaker 1: of many private schools in that part of the city.
Speaker 1: One of Ireland's most famous ones is ten minutes up
Speaker 1: the road. He was a posh kid.
Speaker 2: I love this.
Speaker 1: Why do you love it? Tell people who don't know
Speaker 1: I love.
Speaker 2: This because again, he comes, he comes across, he talks
Speaker 2: about himself like he's this, like he's this underdog, but
Speaker 2: he's really just a fucking failure.
Speaker 1: Well, he's a fraud as far as an underdog, that's
Speaker 1: absolutely a failure. He succeeded, I would say.
Speaker 2: No, not at all. He had no money when he died. Well, yeah,
Speaker 2: but he had nothing. Got what he wanted though, No, no,
Speaker 2: no he did not, especially especially since his estate gave
Speaker 2: it all away.
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, he'd be horrified to know what happened after
Speaker 1: he passed. Kevin McClory just quickly. This is a guy
Speaker 1: who claimed co authorship rights to a lot of the Bond.
Speaker 2: Ip Yes, yeah, he well he yeah he. He actually
Speaker 2: wrote the first ever Bond script prior to Kubby Brockley
Speaker 2: coming on board with Ian Fleming. And Ian Fleming then
Speaker 2: they they end up separating on a very sour note,
Speaker 2: and Fleming took what they'd written and made Thunderball, made
Speaker 2: the book Thunderball, and thus started and didn't give credit
Speaker 2: or didn't give a paycheck or anything, and thus started
Speaker 2: an incredible a fifty year battle, a fifty year battle.
Speaker 1: Obsessed with winning this fight, obsessed with basically being owed
Speaker 1: every red scent that the Bond franchise ever made.
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was really insisting owned. He created Bond and
Speaker 2: deserved to own Bond. And he just spent his entire
Speaker 2: life with this vendetta with only one victory, not two victories.
Speaker 2: I guess where he got to produce the Thunderball film
Speaker 2: on alongside Kubby Brockley and Harry Saltzman, but then also
Speaker 2: make his Thunderball remake with Sean Connery. But besides that,
Speaker 2: I mean, he just failure. It's a complete shit show. Yeah, total.
Speaker 1: Matthew writes. I don't know why Jesse the Body Ventura
Speaker 1: claiming asylum in Budapest made me laugh out loud, but
Speaker 1: it did.
Speaker 2: I don't know why they laugh either. It's fucking funny.
Speaker 1: It is funny. Jesse Ventor is saying Budapest like it's
Speaker 1: a city everybody knows which it is.
Speaker 2: But you know why, I've been to Budapest, you know,
Speaker 2: and I've been there and I claim asylum.
Speaker 1: He's saying Budapest because he thinks you're going to be
Speaker 1: impressed that he knows what Budapest is.
Speaker 2: It's exactly what it is. I mean, you know, I've
Speaker 2: been all over the traveled the world. I'm a globe trotter,
Speaker 2: not ashamed to admit it. And you know, sometimes when
Speaker 2: we're out there doing these things, and you know, I say,
Speaker 2: you know what, I think it's about time I claim,
Speaker 2: as Shylom in Budapesh.
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Speaker 1: He writes, Ricky Steamboat and joined Coffee is something I
Speaker 1: never thought I would laugh at. That is what we're
Speaker 1: here for. Hard to step out, Yes, Yes, oh my god,
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Speaker 2: I will do it at some point. I can't do
Speaker 2: that tonight. I will do that at some point.
Speaker 1: But that don't don't let us forget remind us. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're you're just the victim of where you fell on
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Speaker 1: aforementioned Scott our Young Jake. We appreciate the cake basically,
Speaker 1: and this one is one that I knew we'd get
Speaker 1: to eventually. Do you know the hawk to a girl?
Speaker 1: Do you know what that is?
Speaker 2: I've heard of it. I don't really know.
Speaker 1: All right. Joe Boys Joe from Denton, the county seat
Speaker 1: of Denton County, forty miles north of Don Hondolas. I
Speaker 1: think Texans emphasized our geography, he writes, because it is
Speaker 1: so plainly unremarkable. Anyway, I sent you a tongue in
Speaker 1: cheek tweet inquiring about your thoughts on HUK to his
Speaker 1: future endeavors, and you asked me to post the question
Speaker 1: an email, so for posterity stake, I'm going to post
Speaker 1: the tweet verbatim, and then I'll provide some context as
Speaker 1: to why and what the hell the tweet was a
Speaker 1: big draft of the cast. For me, is the commentary
Speaker 1: on modern consumerism and the context of extreme onlinism and
Speaker 1: social media. Jack's rants and this arena received hearty amens
Speaker 1: in my household. All this to ask Jack, what does
Speaker 1: the future hold for hawktua? Okay, the other day I
Speaker 1: was sitting around and became angry that I knew who
Speaker 1: Hawktoua was. I'm forty four, and other than tweeting at
Speaker 1: you occasionally and leaving Patreon comments, I have minimal social
Speaker 1: media presence, and I would like to think I have
Speaker 1: pretty good social media restraint. So why in God's name
Speaker 1: do I know who this knitwit is? I kept thinking
Speaker 1: back to one of Jack's many rants on digital media consumption,
Speaker 1: and although I'm going to butcher this statement, it went
Speaker 1: something to the two. Now, if the idea of fifteen
Speaker 1: minutes of fame existed before social media, I shuddered to
Speaker 1: think what will become of influencers who get fifteen seconds
Speaker 1: of fame only to spend the rest of their waking
Speaker 1: lives trying to make people give a shit about them again.
Speaker 1: And as I thought of this rant, I smiled and
Speaker 1: nodded slowly. I wish no ill will towards Huktua. I'm
Speaker 1: just saddened that I'm going to have to join a
Speaker 1: monastery to dodge howktua two point zero, and I'm not
Speaker 1: even sure if that will do the trick. I would
Speaker 1: love to hear your thoughts on how social media has
Speaker 1: spawned an infinite number of self help hucksters, whether it
Speaker 1: be financial, diet, pet, relationship advice, or whatever fuck else.
Speaker 1: All of a sudden, so many people have life figured
Speaker 1: out and they're dying to share their secrets with you,
Speaker 1: like subscribe and comment. I'm a Cardlin super Mark, So
Speaker 1: I think back to two of my favorites. One thing
Speaker 1: he said is life is not that complicated. You get up,
Speaker 1: you go to work, you eat three meals, you take
Speaker 1: one good shit, and you go to bed. Another thing
Speaker 1: he said is if you're looking for self help, why
Speaker 1: would you need to read a book by somebody else.
Speaker 1: That's not self help. That's help, that's help. There's no
Speaker 1: such thing as self help. If you did it yourself,
Speaker 1: you didn't need help. George was so inspirational, concludes because
Speaker 1: he became funnier and sharper with age. God, I missed
Speaker 1: that guy. Yeah, if he was around, man, we would
Speaker 1: have the vocabulary to talk about a lot of the
Speaker 1: absurdity we observe on a daily basis. Since it's passing. Okay, fellows,
Speaker 1: you're the best. Take care. So Hawktua. This is a
Speaker 1: girl from Nashville who was interviewed by one of these
Speaker 1: like content people who hang around like bars and nightclubs
Speaker 1: and try to get girls to say things on camera
Speaker 1: like do you give a head or yes one thousand percent?
Speaker 1: And like now you know, it's a way for these
Speaker 1: guys to get fucking polished off, you know, because oh
Speaker 1: my god, you have followers. Oh my god, you have content.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you talk. Oh my god, I saw
Speaker 1: your videos. And so she's one of them walking around
Speaker 1: and uh with her friend, and this content creator asks her,
Speaker 1: what does you have to do keep a man satisfied
Speaker 1: or something, and she goes, you got to give him
Speaker 1: that hawk tua, meaning you spit in his dick. And
Speaker 1: that's like, you know, like how iron She just do
Speaker 1: the hawk to a lot of people joked about that
Speaker 1: Originally she said a lot of pizazz and a lot
Speaker 1: of personality and a lot of spark, and she had
Speaker 1: a Southern charm and blah blah blah, and she was
Speaker 1: blonde and tan and brother, yeah, I didn't mean to
Speaker 1: alarm you. And so Hawktua became like a shorthand thing,
Speaker 1: and you know, everyone was talking about it. They named
Speaker 1: her hawk Tua, and then she got a podcast called
Speaker 1: Talk Tua and she's famous because she made a joke about,
Speaker 1: you know, a good hearted joke and with this big
Speaker 1: smile on her face, laughing like one of the guys
Speaker 1: about spitting on a dick, how you gotta do that?
Speaker 1: And so she got like a thing where it's like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, she's everyone's after her. Who is she?
Speaker 1: What's her story? You know how this hall goes like
Speaker 1: who's the hawktail girl? Yeah, you understand, she's here all
Speaker 1: of a sudden, like she gets offered two thousand dollars
Speaker 1: to do something in its news, and she starts making
Speaker 1: a nightclub appearances, whether the fuck she did concerts, She
Speaker 1: shows up at things like that. And I'm glad I
Speaker 1: waited on this because it's a respond to this one,
Speaker 1: because now she's in the middle of a crypto controversy.
Speaker 1: Some may call it a really scam yeah, rug pull
Speaker 1: as it's as it's said in that world where you know,
Speaker 1: a celebrity backs a certain coin and then the value
Speaker 1: of everyone buys in and then the value crashes overnight,
Speaker 1: but the people who started the thing make off to
Speaker 1: the bank with kind of like preferred shares. It's a
Speaker 1: big the thing, and if I miscast it, it's because
Speaker 1: I don't care enough to understand the details. So and
Speaker 1: now it's like she's just another fucking creepo, like, you know,
Speaker 1: scam adjacent influencer type. And that's what Joe's getting at.
Speaker 1: So I guess the idea is like, why, you know,
Speaker 1: why do people like this become famous? What does this
Speaker 1: say about where we're at? It goes back to Paris
Speaker 1: Hilton in a lot of ways. Pam Holderson, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's all it's all the same shit. I mean, you
Speaker 1: make you just become known because you have a sex
Speaker 1: tape or because you're making sexually explicit gestures and references
Speaker 1: or indicating your openness to such. But what I noticed
Speaker 1: about her is we're in an era and now where
Speaker 1: everyone is just waiting for the only fans, so anyone
Speaker 1: cares about if you're hot online all anyone cares.
Speaker 2: It's actually it's actually, you know, it's I I there
Speaker 2: are some people that I know and and I see
Speaker 2: on their social media, and it's actually disturbing how many
Speaker 2: how people have the the I mean, it's it's the
Speaker 2: social media internet protection, you know, that weird thing of
Speaker 2: asking these women when are you gonna start an only fan?
Speaker 1: It's like the only thing people care about.
Speaker 2: Now, right, people like just and it's like, I mean
Speaker 2: it's because I ask you this. I mean, this is
Speaker 2: what when it comes down to it. And that's actually
Speaker 2: what I tell my kid all the time. When when
Speaker 2: you know, when she you know, is texting some some
Speaker 2: you know kind of like any kind of bully shit
Speaker 2: or or some stuff, she's doing it necessarily on purpose.
Speaker 2: I mean, she's getting it from all these things. And
Speaker 2: I say, would you say that to their face? If
Speaker 2: you would say that to their face, then say it
Speaker 2: to whoever you want. But if you couldn't go up
Speaker 2: to this person and look them in the eye and
Speaker 2: say this ship, then don't say it. I mean, it's
Speaker 2: just vile. It's viral, you know, yep, and not just
Speaker 2: say it behind the fucking typing. You know, that's this
Speaker 2: is the This is this weird little cage that people
Speaker 2: have where they're typing. You know, I mean say ship,
Speaker 2: you know, use your real voice if you're going to
Speaker 2: do it, let people hear you say it. Don't just
Speaker 2: sit around there and and and fucking and type it
Speaker 2: and and you know, hide behind your computer or your
Speaker 2: phone or whatever. I've listened. I've said ship on this show.
Speaker 2: I've said ship over the ears, and you know, I uh,
Speaker 2: you know, I don't know if I'd say everything that
Speaker 2: I said to their face. And this is me. I'm
Speaker 2: total hypocrite. Don't get me wrong. I can you can
Speaker 2: call me out on all that ship. But you know
Speaker 2: I'll say this. I'm saying it here, I'm saying in
Speaker 2: front of a bunch of people, and I'm not hiding
Speaker 2: behind it. It's just it's me saying the ship. I'd
Speaker 2: say that. I'll say that much.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, yeah, it's not a pseudonym.
Speaker 2: I'm not. I'm I going underneath a you know type
Speaker 2: and stuff and like running away basically, you know, like
Speaker 2: being a little fucking chip like I mean, yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: it's just it's yeah, I I I can't, I really
Speaker 2: can't stand it.
Speaker 1: Like, let's just fucking stop it. It's all because phones
Speaker 1: made everything better, right and uh you know it's all
Speaker 1: get rich quick. That's always that. That's our fatal that's
Speaker 1: our that's our our achilles heel in this country and
Speaker 1: it always will be.
Speaker 2: And and listen, I'm not there's no I actually have
Speaker 2: no issue with you know if you with people doing OnlyFans.
Speaker 2: I mean I've I've heard some incredible success stories of
Speaker 2: people who are just making a ton of money and
Speaker 2: they're able to kind of keep their own integrity. And
Speaker 2: it's not like you know, but it's just this idea
Speaker 2: that anybody has, the like where do you get the
Speaker 2: entitlement to fucking tell somebody you should you should go
Speaker 2: on this website so that I can pay to see
Speaker 2: you nude.
Speaker 1: It's and it's just like it's not like it'sn't telling
Speaker 1: the person, it's just like asking is there one this
Speaker 1: this supposition.
Speaker 2: Or are you going to do it? But I mean
Speaker 2: it's the should, it's the you should do this, you
Speaker 2: should do this.
Speaker 1: If a girl is a certain age, like the internet
Speaker 1: convinces itself that they could coax them to do it,
Speaker 1: and you know what, they probably can. Like I was
Speaker 1: thinking the other day, like, you know, we didn't have sexting,
Speaker 1: like only fans, Like I mean, god, Uber turned everyone
Speaker 1: in a cab driver, and this is gonna turn everyone
Speaker 1: in a porn star. Yeah right, Because it seems you
Speaker 1: deal drugs in the hood. It's like you go to
Speaker 1: McDonald's and make you know, minimum wage, which is higher
Speaker 1: than has ever been. I get it. Blah blah blah, inflation,
Speaker 1: make all your jokes shut the fuck up. But I
Speaker 1: don't do you know how much fucking money I can
Speaker 1: make work in these corners? Do you have any idea
Speaker 1: how much money m M for someone who knows that
Speaker 1: it's in the odds are infinitesically small that I'm gonna
Speaker 1: be able to break out into into a high earning
Speaker 1: positions in white collar America like who's shipping? Who here?
Speaker 1: You don't want to hire me, I don't want to
Speaker 1: work for you, and you can pretend you want to
Speaker 1: hire me, but when push comes to shove, you're not
Speaker 1: gonna pay me the fucking money. I can make movie packs, okay,
Speaker 1: And that's exactly what's happening only fans side. I'm like, God,
Speaker 1: look at my account. Oh my god, six hundred thousand
Speaker 1: dollars on a podcast that doesn't exist for the purpose
Speaker 1: of a real showing someone on your phone with the dollar.
Speaker 1: That's it. It was just just cares about fucking direct
Speaker 1: deposits and receipts and and it's it's so weird because
Speaker 1: I feel like she became famous because people were like,
Speaker 1: is she gonna get naked? And she doesn't, and she didn't,
Speaker 1: And she actually has a pretty cool personality. I've seen
Speaker 1: her kind of carry on and interview formats and stuff.
Speaker 1: But you know, whatever, you're gonna fall into that, or
Speaker 1: you're gonna be like that girl in the UK who
Speaker 1: who went viral for lining up a fucking one hundred
Speaker 1: guys showing up at a condo somewhere in England and
Speaker 1: just airing her out. And then everyone's like, oh me,
Speaker 1: good documentary about her anguish, when really that's just somebody
Speaker 1: else attaching themselves to the the pure and interest of
Speaker 1: this girl taking that many dicks. It was kind of like,
Speaker 1: you know, it's like whenever whenever, like a journalist or
Speaker 1: a documentary and does something about porn. I'm always very suspicious,
Speaker 1: you know, even if they take the subject hyper seriously
Speaker 1: and they and their work is relevatory, they just want
Speaker 1: to be around porn, you know. They went like a
Speaker 1: pretext to watch these people get absolutely waylaid, of course,
Speaker 1: and I just I just think it's kind of a
Speaker 1: it's kind of a strange and unfortunate thing where we've
Speaker 1: now like seem to have reached a point in terms
Speaker 1: of online discourse where everyone's posting these these pictures of
Speaker 1: themselves and instead of it being vanity like it used
Speaker 1: to be, instead of it being you know, something designed
Speaker 1: to kill and crush your enemies with jealousy, it's now
Speaker 1: actually a bit of commerce. It's actually trying to set
Speaker 1: the hook. So you go down this rabbit hole of
Speaker 1: links where you end up being asked to pay for
Speaker 1: the only fans, and it's all over the place. It's
Speaker 1: you know, and it's more explicit on some platforms than others,
Speaker 1: and it's crypto adjacent. So a lot of it like
Speaker 1: ends up being like you build up a following by
Speaker 1: teasing showing nudity, and then that following is then leveraged
Speaker 1: to try to get people into a into a new
Speaker 1: crypto coin and build that up. And it's all built
Speaker 1: on this idea. It's the it's the oldest salesmanship in
Speaker 1: the book, that like you're smarter than everybody else, you
Speaker 1: know how to make money quicker than everybody else. Here's
Speaker 1: a guy with an open collar who is like young
Speaker 1: and tan, and he's had spiked hair, and he says
Speaker 1: he's got one hundred million dollars and he he's he
Speaker 1: flips property like it's like the set. You know, I
Speaker 1: always picture like these run down neighborhoods and like there's
Speaker 1: this like this this renovation going on for no reason,
Speaker 1: and this jackass shows up in like Gucci shoes walking
Speaker 1: around the construction site. You know, I don't care how
Speaker 1: much money he's making. You couldn't fucking pay me enough
Speaker 1: to carry on like that douchebag. And the way he's
Speaker 1: got to think and look and act and consider, and
Speaker 1: the disdain he has to have for people, and the
Speaker 1: rent seeking fucking you know, heard of everything he does.
Speaker 1: So I don't know, I'm I'm very uh. I don't
Speaker 1: want to go in on her. I don't think she's
Speaker 1: like some kind of disaster because she's had a chance
Speaker 1: to show that she actually is a pretty interesting, like
Speaker 1: kind of personality, interesting in that she's not somebody that
Speaker 1: you like Paris Hilton, you look at like she doesn't
Speaker 1: even talk, she can't talk, like she can't say anything,
Speaker 1: Like she just can stand there. But that doesn't mean
Speaker 1: she It doesn't mean she can't easily be convinced that
Speaker 1: everybody but her is a sucker and end up scamming
Speaker 1: fuckers and end up in the company of people who
Speaker 1: use her following for nothing but ill gotten gains. So
Speaker 1: it's become a much more complicated story this talk to
Speaker 1: of things since the serial was sent and we went
Speaker 1: in a lot of different directions there. But I hope
Speaker 1: that satisfies what you were looking for, Joe.
Speaker 2: And I just don't know shit about it.
Speaker 1: If you know, if you're in high school today, you're
Speaker 1: just waiting to see the nudes, yep, exactly, just waiting
Speaker 1: to see the nudes, and when they become a.
Speaker 2: Vade, waiting to get off your your your parents, uh finances,
Speaker 2: so you can start paying for the ship on your own.
Speaker 1: And what happens when nobody wants to pay for your
Speaker 1: only fans anymore? Because that's coming. What's next, Yeah, I
Speaker 1: know that's gonna be. The platforms new enough that most
Speaker 1: people are still young.
Speaker 2: Somebody's gonna get bored. We're still in the earl, gonna
Speaker 2: get bored. Somebody's gonna get bored. And you're gonna get
Speaker 2: old unless people are gonna want to look at it. Yep.
Speaker 1: And you're not gonna save that money. You're gonna by
Speaker 1: all kinds of things to convince yourself that you've hacked
Speaker 1: life and can afford a lifestyle that will have no
Speaker 1: consistency to it. The earning. The earning stream will have
Speaker 1: no consistency to it. There will be like a year
Speaker 1: where all of a sudden, you make sixty percent less
Speaker 1: than you made, and you're gonna have all these fucking
Speaker 1: bills for this lifestyle. And maybe maybe I'm wrong, Maybe
Speaker 1: these maybe these girls are stashing it away in like
Speaker 1: some kind of like investment vehicle when it's just sitting
Speaker 1: there and growing and they're not gonna use it all
Speaker 1: at once. But I somehow doubt it, because if that's
Speaker 1: your mentality, then I should have no fucking idea how
Speaker 1: much you make, because you sho gonna be running around
Speaker 1: parading it attention seeking behavior. It'll be your downfall every time.
Speaker 1: That's all I'll say about that. Moving forward here on
Speaker 1: the Feedback Show, We're almost done bossed. Do you believe
Speaker 1: me when I say that?
Speaker 2: I never believe it when you say that.
Speaker 1: Growing up in Ireland, Steve says, you'd be amazed by
Speaker 1: how many characters like McRory you meet in day to
Speaker 1: day life completely agree with the co chairs that it
Speaker 1: boiled down to Ireland versus Britton feelings. This is back
Speaker 1: to the bond stuff. Fleming was probably friends with or
Speaker 1: related to, people in government who helped negotiate the Treaty
Speaker 1: for Irish Independence that didn't grant Ireland full independence, and
Speaker 1: then to a highly contentious relationship between our countries and
Speaker 1: McCrory growing up and oh sure, growing up in an
Speaker 1: Irish free state would definitely have heard of this and
Speaker 1: the stories of Bloody Sunday and other similar massacres and
Speaker 1: war crimes during the East Rising War of Independence in
Speaker 1: Civil War, McCrory probably convinced himself by out smarting Fleming
Speaker 1: he had struck a blow for Irish nationalism. Is that
Speaker 1: what he was after was he just pissed that Fleming
Speaker 1: was a brit I mean, there's part of that for sure.
Speaker 1: You know, there there was definitely some stuff that implied
Speaker 1: that that he was. Yeah, that there because I mean
Speaker 1: I think even I think we I think there was
Speaker 1: something in.
Speaker 2: There about even Fleming looking down McClory because he was Irish. Yep.
Speaker 1: I think that's probably most of it. And he's such
Speaker 1: a stubborn fuck that he just made it his lifelong
Speaker 1: obsession and didn't have as much to do with Bond
Speaker 1: a claim on Bond as it had to do with
Speaker 1: his politics and his.
Speaker 2: No And I always said too, I think it's a
Speaker 2: mix of that. I also think it's just came having
Speaker 2: a chip on his shoulder. I think that if if
Speaker 2: if there had been if if Fleming had given him
Speaker 2: money or given him credit on the book, or even mentioned, hey,
Speaker 2: I'm going to turn this one into a book. I'll
Speaker 2: give you credit for it, then nothing would have happened.
Speaker 2: It all stemmed from the fact that Fleming didn't give
Speaker 2: credit in any way to Kevin McClory or give him
Speaker 2: a paycheck. And that is it. I mean, that is
Speaker 2: not it it, But that's like one of the key
Speaker 2: reasons it's just pure ego, trementous and and and and
Speaker 2: and listen the national the politics stuff. Sure, I have
Speaker 2: no doubt that that that that. Uh uh, I would
Speaker 2: say it's probably a third of it. A third, Yeah,
Speaker 2: you know, i'd probably I would. I I do think
Speaker 2: that the the ego thing, I think that was the majority.
Speaker 2: So I don't know what the what the percentage would be,
Speaker 2: but that's the majority. But then you know, right there
Speaker 2: also the politics and then also the greed.
Speaker 1: Well basically let me know if you disagree with this,
Speaker 1: Kevin McClory.
Speaker 2: I completely agree with that.
Speaker 1: Al from Queen's has an interesting one. First time, long
Speaker 1: time congratulations on tlf X. I have one question that
Speaker 1: I'm hoping you'll answer. Tlf started ten years ago based
Speaker 1: in the premise that it used to be better. My
Speaker 1: question is this, was it better ten years ago when
Speaker 1: you started TLF than it is today? So not was
Speaker 1: it better when we were you know, young, and I'm
Speaker 1: better in twenty fourteen?
Speaker 2: Well?
Speaker 3: Was?
Speaker 2: I mean twenty fourteen, that's the thing, right, I remember.
Speaker 1: Well, the prospects for the network were better, that's for sure.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the network was better.
Speaker 1: Sure, the idea of this like emerging way that we
Speaker 1: could watch everything WW had and the vault was fucking
Speaker 1: intoxicating and led to the creation of the show. I
Speaker 1: couldn't possibly be that excited now about that because it's
Speaker 1: going in the opposite direction. We've had it and it's
Speaker 1: been taken away from us a little bit in Peacock
Speaker 1: and now even more coming up in terms of ease
Speaker 1: of access. Ye. Yeah, I mean it was kind of
Speaker 1: before politics was about you know, who's going to lead
Speaker 1: to the destruction of the country. First it was less
Speaker 1: like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fucking annoying. It's uh see twenty fourteen, what
Speaker 1: else was better? There weren't as many like empty haulied
Speaker 1: out stores and stuff.
Speaker 2: Yeah no, no, yeah, we were still in a pre
Speaker 2: COVID America just.
Speaker 1: Or world significantly, so we just lost Party City. Those
Speaker 1: are all closing. Wow, it's like, fuck, that's I think
Speaker 1: that sucks. Don't give a care if Party City is open.
Speaker 1: I just mean, like, you know, in general, like you
Speaker 1: didn't have to Yeah when when stuff like that starts
Speaker 1: going away, Yeah, you didn't feel like anything that has
Speaker 1: hitting history to it is on the brink of fucking
Speaker 1: leveraged bankruptcy. Bullshit fucking you know, can't pay its debt,
Speaker 1: so we're going to close everything. Situation. What else? Social
Speaker 1: media was better? Way better? Yeah, better because people used
Speaker 1: it in much more moderation because their phones weren't quite
Speaker 1: as powerful in terms of being able to access and
Speaker 1: update the image. The images wasn't such a big part
Speaker 1: of it. That hit me the other day. It's like,
Speaker 1: what really fucked us is images on social Like if
Speaker 1: it was mostly text, we'd be we'd beat each other's throats,
Speaker 1: but it wouldn't be there wouldn't be this commercial aspect,
Speaker 1: and people wouldn't be able to make as much money
Speaker 1: off of keeping people at odds with each other as
Speaker 1: they can by.
Speaker 2: Well also too, you know that the pictures don't to me,
Speaker 2: weren't as much of a of a of of of
Speaker 2: a problem as it is these these short videos, these
Speaker 2: TikTok videos. But now everyone has everyone's doing them, and
Speaker 2: you know, and there's just no there's like, there's no
Speaker 2: thought put into it. There's no it's just like it's
Speaker 2: just you know, it's it's like I'm gonna do a
Speaker 2: transition change and you're gonna see me in the morning
Speaker 2: looking like a fucking you know, a blob of goo,
Speaker 2: but then in two seconds I'm gonna be all gussied
Speaker 2: up and looking fell Yeah. Those really, you know, like
Speaker 2: the whole thing, like the fact that you can't go anywhere,
Speaker 2: there's not everybody. Everybody is doing these shorts, these minute
Speaker 2: long shorts, and it's like you just you cannot get
Speaker 2: away from it.
Speaker 1: I was like, like they have disabilities, like they're acting
Speaker 1: like they have like like spontaneous impulse control problems, you know,
Speaker 1: like they have to they have problems. They have to dance.
Speaker 1: Everyone's dancing. Nothing against dancing, but George Carlin once said,
Speaker 1: you know, people who are dancing appear insane to those
Speaker 1: who can hear the music, and.
Speaker 2: Which is actually funny because I did do one of those.
Speaker 2: We went to a wedding and it was a very
Speaker 2: small I.
Speaker 1: Mean I see people like this on the street.
Speaker 2: But they have you dance in the headphones. They like,
Speaker 2: give you a headphones.
Speaker 1: Ye mean, I saw that.
Speaker 2: It's so fucking funny. It actually is the most funniest thing.
Speaker 1: Is Yeah, when you have the headphones on though, it's
Speaker 1: like totally fine.
Speaker 2: Just right right, But then you know, I took video
Speaker 2: of it. And it's just like you're just a bunch
Speaker 2: of fucking idiots moving.
Speaker 1: From you hear their shoes clapping on the ground while right, yeah,
Speaker 1: it's spectacular, and that's that's where we're at. To me,
Speaker 1: to me, like, if it's on TikTok, I can't hear
Speaker 1: the music, I just hear I just see people acting like.
Speaker 2: But it's also the way that TikTok has you know,
Speaker 2: I'm not a fan of TikTok. I think TikTok is
Speaker 2: a complete disease and I hate it. I hate it
Speaker 2: because it's it's an attention ruinings yes, uh form of escapism,
Speaker 2: and so I I don't let my kid go on TikTok.
Speaker 2: And actually I recently took just pretty much all videos
Speaker 2: away and it was funny. So the the other day,
Speaker 2: you know, she was like, well, can I have you know,
Speaker 2: can I can I still use Pinterest? And I was like, yeah, fine, Pinterest,
Speaker 2: Like you know, I know my wife does Pinterest. I
Speaker 2: know you just you just post, you know, put a
Speaker 2: bunch of things up there that you're interested in. They
Speaker 2: do videos now, they do TikTok shorts basically got to
Speaker 2: demo the products in the same fucking thing. And I'm
Speaker 2: like no, like no, we can't do this, Like we
Speaker 2: need to move away. It's just like fucking Ryan, it
Speaker 2: is stupid ass toys. I gotta get away from it
Speaker 2: because it is. It is toxic. It's and listen, it's
Speaker 2: bad enough for adults, Okay, it is, but it's worse
Speaker 2: for kids. And unfortunately kids are are are you know,
Speaker 2: it's these things are a magnet to kids and it's
Speaker 2: a disaster. It's a disaster. All the ship is a
Speaker 2: disaster for for for this general of kids. And you know,
Speaker 2: I would imagine, you know, when our kids are older
Speaker 2: and they've got kids, if they choose to have kids,
Speaker 2: they they will there will hopefully be a better understanding
Speaker 2: and a better way to go about it. But it's
Speaker 2: like the fucking wild West with this generation, you know,
Speaker 2: because they're kids. They're like the first or second generation
Speaker 2: who's growing up with phones in their hands. Yeah, and
Speaker 2: it's a way of life. It's like it's not necessarily
Speaker 2: like you know, it's not like we can hide this stuff.
Speaker 1: It's not like we can say, choose this path. It's
Speaker 1: the only path.
Speaker 2: Because they need it. They're gonna need it. They're going
Speaker 2: to need their phone, and I get that, but it's
Speaker 2: also like they they when they're there. We were all
Speaker 2: adults when we got these phones, and we kind of understand,
Speaker 2: you know, we understand what it is like, we understand
Speaker 2: what is going on with this, and yes, maybe we
Speaker 2: all get sucked in sometimes is where scrolling through something.
Speaker 2: But at the same time, I'm not getting manipulated by it.
Speaker 2: I'm not sitting there basing what I'm doing. I'm not
Speaker 2: being getting interested in skincare because of the videos that
Speaker 2: I watch. I'm not basically deciding that this is what
Speaker 2: I need to do to be accepted, to be you know, admired,
Speaker 2: to be seen. And that's the problem. Sure, they're not there,
Speaker 2: they're you know, that's that's the real issue.
Speaker 1: It's amazing how I'm supposed to be this great democratizing
Speaker 1: technology and supposed to give us access to all kinds
Speaker 1: of perspectives and the styles, trends, thoughts, outlooks that different
Speaker 1: from ours. That was the promise of the Internet, and
Speaker 1: in connected.
Speaker 2: It will it will at some point, it will when
Speaker 2: when they fucking everyone seems to use it to make
Speaker 2: sure that they're exactly like everybody else, right, which is
Speaker 2: hilarious because why do you even need the phone then
Speaker 2: just copy each other, right, And I mean it's like
Speaker 2: it's funny because the whole idea is that, you know,
Speaker 2: these kinds of things were supposed to open the idea,
Speaker 2: open the mind to being more yourself than not.
Speaker 1: Not it's not that at all, because that's boring, Like,
Speaker 1: you know, yeah, the Arab Spring. It's like, you know,
Speaker 1: Facebook leading to like cultural revolution in a country that
Speaker 1: then installs a government that's ten times worse because the
Speaker 1: will of the people. It's like, we've been through enough
Speaker 1: repetitions of pretending that this technology is going to set
Speaker 1: us free, and we realize that in almost every case,
Speaker 1: the unintended consequences overwhelm any positive effect it has for
Speaker 1: every relative you can stay in touch with. Because of Facebook,
Speaker 1: you're at war with six more, right, And that's just
Speaker 1: something that would not be the case if the platform
Speaker 1: didn't exist. That is the platform's fault. That is not
Speaker 1: to suggest that people made the platform to create that,
Speaker 1: but they're certainly not adjusting the platform to prevent it
Speaker 1: because you can't, you cannot, for a second, do anything
Speaker 1: that will discourage people from staying on platform. It's very,
Speaker 1: very simple, and even as everyone's been made a hip
Speaker 1: to that, they can't stop. They even get worse. And
Speaker 1: these these these these people are are just taking their
Speaker 1: phones out and recording themselves dancing in public. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: I hope they're having fun, But I don't get the
Speaker 1: sense they're doing the video to have fun. I get
Speaker 1: the sense they're doing the video because there's something missing, yes,
Speaker 1: and they're trying to smile through it. I can't help
Speaker 1: but see tragedy in a lot of these things. And
Speaker 1: maybe I'm just something, just a weirdo, and that's but
Speaker 1: I don't know. There's there's too many in the email
Speaker 1: are touched on it. There's too many of these like
Speaker 1: life coach people who end up, you know, doing the
Speaker 1: heart felt like video in two years about how they
Speaker 1: had to like get divorced and you know, their kids
Speaker 1: fucking hate them, and it's like and they were out
Speaker 1: there trying to tell us how to live, you know,
Speaker 1: try to tell us, like, you know, just just eat
Speaker 1: a California diet and everything's gonna be fine. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: California has highest doors right in Cana. Fucking misery all
Speaker 1: over the place. I don't know, it's it's very uh,
Speaker 1: we're a very weird time where when people are their
Speaker 1: most vulnerable, they seem to think that projecting confidence online
Speaker 1: is the answer. And it's like I just see it
Speaker 1: as a as a as a cry for help, not
Speaker 1: for not for a sign of a some kind of
Speaker 1: personal rediscovery. You know, these are damaged people. You know.
Speaker 1: It's like like the a lot of like the alternative
Speaker 1: medicine world and like the yoga and spiritual healing world
Speaker 1: and stuff, a lot of people like had drawna they
Speaker 1: had drawn to that because they ended up getting some
Speaker 1: kind of a chronic disease that modern medicine couldn't allay
Speaker 1: their pain well enough, right, And so of course, I mean,
Speaker 1: if you're in fucking agony and you've been given this
Speaker 1: fucking life sentence for agony, of course you're going to
Speaker 1: seek out somebody that promises, you know, somebody. First of all,
Speaker 1: that says, of course you know, of course you're not
Speaker 1: getting any better because you're trusting doctors, and that would
Speaker 1: be stupid, and I'm not of course, you know they're
Speaker 1: idiot doctors, just like they're idiot anybody else. But you know,
Speaker 1: it's like I don't know anything about this shit, so
Speaker 1: that's why you should follow me, you know, right right right.
Speaker 1: It's like, well, I don't know. I think you need
Speaker 1: to know something before. And it's but they know how
Speaker 1: to find people that they can get to think that way.
Speaker 1: They're sort of like like a population of potential leads.
Speaker 1: Oh this person, this person's dissatisfied, this person, you know,
Speaker 1: is in a miserable place because they've been dealt a
Speaker 1: bad hand. Now is the time for me to move
Speaker 1: in with my brand of you know, it's amos spirituality
Speaker 1: almost you know, yep, And it becomes really dark, really dark,
Speaker 1: because everybody's smiling, but no one's smiling on the inside.
Speaker 1: Everyone's everyone's transacting.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 1: Thanks a lot for putting us down that road, Joe.
Speaker 1: So let's see. David said, Tina Turner was the face
Speaker 1: of the new South Wales rugby League. So we're trying
Speaker 1: to get Tina for something that's supposed to qualify a movie.
Speaker 1: Do you know why people bring up Tina Turner for cinema?
Speaker 1: I don't know, I remember either.
Speaker 2: I don't remember why.
Speaker 1: Brett and the Heart's still in their pjs. Jeff bretton
Speaker 1: the heart's still in their pj's presents, all open, kids
Speaker 1: playing with the new toys. Brett smiles at the bounty
Speaker 1: he is able to provide his family and looks at
Speaker 1: watch his watch to realize that Christmas story is about
Speaker 1: to start fresh when the cordless rings stir it.
Speaker 2: Man, I'm on, crackhead, I cead.
Speaker 1: You just joined Christmas a second ago.
Speaker 2: Uh here smoke crack creaky Huh do you know that
Speaker 2: that's good will hunting qualified? Because an hour Summer SLAMO
Speaker 2: five episode Edge tells Vince, it's not your fault, over
Speaker 2: and over. It's not your fault. You're from North Carolina.
Speaker 2: Uh no, no, unfortunately, not unfortunately, not to.
Speaker 1: That aforementioned phone call, Andrew says, picturing Davy's Christmas phone
Speaker 1: called to Brett, and Davy is actually calling from the
Speaker 1: next room.
Speaker 2: Oh yes, that's that is exactly it is that Davy
Speaker 2: is dabe. Oh how'd you find me?
Speaker 7: I was.
Speaker 2: I was in different places.
Speaker 1: And poly cautiously, I picture steam Beat walking up to
Speaker 1: his opponent with a cup of coffee like Lumberg and
Speaker 1: office space. Yeah, let's talk about the finish. Ricky steam
Speaker 1: Cup goes up to somebody. You guys hanging out? Are
Speaker 1: you friends?
Speaker 2: Yeah? What's going on? Guys? What are you doing? Yeah?
Speaker 2: Only here to talk about the match? Yeah, no, okay, all.
Speaker 1: Right, only here? Uh Brett wants. Brett wants a tournament
Speaker 1: of runners up into l f X. Like characters that
Speaker 1: weren't able to make it, like Lap Sean Connery laps,
Speaker 1: local businessman whose business is disrupted by a movie abyss
Speaker 1: Hult Cogan, but the action adventure comedy star Diana Hart,
Speaker 1: Shane Douglass, Shawn Michaels, Hogan, Linda Hogan.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I like the idea of Hulk Hogan, not
Speaker 2: the wrestler, but the action movie star, adventure comedy star.
Speaker 2: That's fucking money.
Speaker 1: It's something to think about. It won't happen, but I
Speaker 1: guess it's fun to think about. Uh, Tim, Well, Tim,
Speaker 1: thank you. I read the email about the Princess Diana thing,
Speaker 1: and I understand that it wasn't just a pop Rozzi
Speaker 1: to blame, but apparently her driver. Did you know this?
Speaker 1: Her driver was trashed?
Speaker 2: I didn't know that. Actually I did not know that
Speaker 2: her drivercohol is a problem.
Speaker 1: We were talking about her, of course, in the context
Speaker 1: of some of the British premiers that we took in.
Speaker 2: Yeah because she was there and yeah before she met
Speaker 2: her demise.
Speaker 1: Lucky Night ct writes on her ECW coverage. To me,
Speaker 1: ECW's popularity was its doom. It was at its best
Speaker 1: when watching it felt transgressive. Staying up until twelve to
Speaker 1: one am and flipping channels because you weren't sure who
Speaker 1: they mailed the tape to this week was part of
Speaker 1: the experience. Once I got regular TV, a big part
Speaker 1: of the magic was gone, he declares. Jeff writes ECW
Speaker 1: ECW don Kallis looks like a local radio DJ whose
Speaker 1: show was brought down when Howard Stern came into the market.
Speaker 2: Absolutely agree with that.
Speaker 1: Jerome likes the Living Dangerously two thousand episode because we
Speaker 1: talked about Mike Costumes ECW contract and delve into it deeply.
Speaker 1: And so he says, this podcast allows us to tell
Speaker 1: anyone who asks that we listen to a legal analysis
Speaker 1: podcast whereby documents are discussed and broken down for better understanding.
Speaker 2: Of contract law. It's not wrong.
Speaker 1: I mean, look, you can say it if you need to.
Speaker 1: Abel I agree with what that. I agree with Entertainment
Speaker 1: from Phoenix Abel co chairs. Like so many others in
Speaker 1: the Solar system, I love hearing about Eric Bischoff's slow
Speaker 1: moving but smart equipped ranch life, especially when it involves
Speaker 1: what he eats. Although many although many of his older
Speaker 1: social media posts Pretna are now deleted, I can distinctly
Speaker 1: remember one where Bischoff described his evening dinner after recently
Speaker 1: arriving back in Cody. Although I can't call the words verbatim,
Speaker 1: I remember Bischoff talking about smoked salmon being cooked over
Speaker 1: an open flame with melted cheddar. Of course it sounded incredible,
Speaker 1: even for someone that doesn't even eat fish. To hell
Speaker 1: with Minnesota and their mint jelly. Thanksgiving with the Bishoffs
Speaker 1: is where I want to be.
Speaker 2: Here we go. That's very funny, William wants to know.
Speaker 1: Now, I'm curious. Was Jim's cheese steak named in the
Speaker 1: ECW bankruptcy. I would think that if uber Eats existed,
Speaker 1: then there would have been a constant stream of cheese
Speaker 1: steak deliveries to Big sal And, seeing how these guys
Speaker 1: weren't even getting their seventy five dollars pay days, there
Speaker 1: would have to be some kind of tab or line
Speaker 1: of credit between gyms and AJHG Corp. Tremendous. Oh. The
Speaker 1: ECW game William Hilarious for PlayStation William says was absolutely
Speaker 1: one of the worst games ever played. The animation was terrible,
Speaker 1: even for the time. The announcing was awful, just repeating
Speaker 1: the same few lines and not really time to the action.
Speaker 1: The gameplay was pathetic. I can't imagine how Acclaim would
Speaker 1: put their name on it. It felt so rushed and
Speaker 1: halfway finished, I wrung what little joy got out of it,
Speaker 1: but I put it away permanently after a couple of weeks.
Speaker 1: We're talking about that ECW video game. What a piece
Speaker 1: of shit that was? Tool Belt for Daddy asked the question,
Speaker 1: Am I the only one who would love having the
Speaker 1: life of lapsed Bischoff?
Speaker 2: Listen, it's not a bad life. I'm not making fun
Speaker 2: of the life. I'm making fun of him.
Speaker 1: Living my life. It's him.
Speaker 2: It's him, all right, because it's so phony, all right,
Speaker 2: that's the problem. I think of him whenever I see
Speaker 2: Yellowstone on TV. Yeah, of course, I'm sure he thinks
Speaker 2: of him severaltimes.
Speaker 1: He's also someone I gotta find this before you read
Speaker 1: this next thing, Oh Christopher, he writ some Patreon I'm
Speaker 1: picturing easy listening to this, all set to be offended
Speaker 1: at any mention of him and starting to vent when
Speaker 1: the coach here is get to the last thirty minutes,
Speaker 1: then he hears the comment about the butter churn from
Speaker 1: sharper Image and realize this, you have a point.
Speaker 2: Exactly, It's exactly. It's about he's about to like he's
Speaker 2: he's like on the verge of going into a rant,
Speaker 2: and then he's like, oh, yeah, you know he wants it.
Speaker 4: He's the laps Fan wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that
Speaker 4: knows the boys need their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan.
Speaker 6: Just because we posted a new episode of The Lapsed
Speaker 6: Fan doesn't mean we are done with the campaign to
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Speaker 4: and JP Soro.
Speaker 2: Hey coachairs. Listening to the latest ECW episode and the
Speaker 2: guy talking about the myth of the Paul Hayman kool
Speaker 2: Aid compelled me to write you all an email when
Speaker 2: the wrestler says it wasn't the Paul Hayman kool aid,
Speaker 2: it was being on TV that kept those guys little
Speaker 2: ecw It got me thinking about again how TLF uses
Speaker 2: pro wrestling of the nineties and two thousands as a
Speaker 2: mirror to modern society. TLF has essentially been my thirties,
Speaker 2: and now as I approach my forties, I think a
Speaker 2: lot about what I call the millennials curse, this idea
Speaker 2: that we're told our whole life to make sacrifices and
Speaker 2: give up important life events in the name of being
Speaker 2: successful or important. Many of us will never know our
Speaker 2: true value because we were tricked in our twenties into
Speaker 2: thinking we were important. And if an employer can convince
Speaker 2: you that you matter, they can convince you to work
Speaker 2: for less than your worth. Does that sound like Paul
Speaker 2: Hammond and vinsick manned anybody else? I think any millennial
Speaker 2: who chased professional success can relate to everything Danny Doring
Speaker 2: says when he talks about the chase of fame. It
Speaker 2: talks about the chase of fame is what appealed to
Speaker 2: him more than the alleged Paul Hamon kool aid. As
Speaker 2: a child of the nineties, you were told to chase
Speaker 2: success in recognition. You weren't told to look for comfort
Speaker 2: or stability. You were told that you had to be relevant,
Speaker 2: that you had to succeed. As I talked about before,
Speaker 2: my degree is in journalism, and although I was lucky
Speaker 2: to get out of the business early in my career,
Speaker 2: I watched many friends fall for the so called relevance
Speaker 2: of getting clicks on social media and online articles. It
Speaker 2: didn't matter that they weren't paid a fair wage or
Speaker 2: had their or had fair working hours and standards. They
Speaker 2: were quote relevant and relevance was all you needed to
Speaker 2: have a happy life. I think, unfortunately it took a
Speaker 2: global pandemic to start to break some of that mindset.
Speaker 2: But I just look at what I call the millennial's
Speaker 2: curse as this idea that fucked up our brains and
Speaker 2: screwed ourselves out of comfort in twenties and thirties because
Speaker 2: we were constantly told to be relevant, no matter, to matter,
Speaker 2: to be important. I think we were told that money
Speaker 2: would come, But I'm sure that a lot of listeners
Speaker 2: hold some sort of grudge for the shit work we
Speaker 2: did at shit pay in the name of this idea
Speaker 2: that we wouldn't be quote failures if our job title
Speaker 2: wasn't prestigious. The money never caught up in the same
Speaker 2: way we were promised, and many of us had to
Speaker 2: look at ourselves in the mirror and say fuck every
Speaker 2: adult in the nineties who told me I was better
Speaker 2: than someone who put in an honest living in a
Speaker 2: trade job. That's why I could never truly blame wrestlers,
Speaker 2: because I see the idea of the wrestler in many
Speaker 2: of the creative friends I have who will never know
Speaker 2: their value as always. TLF is almost Shakespeare and the
Speaker 2: way you hold up the mirror to society though through art,
Speaker 2: it amazes me how you find these parts of nineties
Speaker 2: wrestling that explain modern americane.
Speaker 1: Yes, Jeff, that's an almost perfectly written email. Man. I
Speaker 1: say almost because I want to try to say something
Speaker 1: about it, but it's all there. It's so true. It's
Speaker 1: so true. I mean, when you chase relevance, you serve
Speaker 1: everyone but yourself. You serve the algo, you serve the
Speaker 1: platform owners, you serve the people who don't have to
Speaker 1: worry about being relevant. They just somehow are able to
Speaker 1: tax your work and get a little little bit of it.
Speaker 1: And it's all these coding people who decided to find
Speaker 1: who decided to set up, you know, all these ways
Speaker 1: to set up the platform and own the stream of
Speaker 1: advertising in such a way that they get paid even
Speaker 1: if they couldn't produce a single creative thing in their
Speaker 1: fucking lives. Yep, but they know how to build a platform.
Speaker 1: And so there are the new gods and they control
Speaker 1: the gates. Yes, it is an empty promise. Yes, it's
Speaker 1: easier to underpay somebody when you feel when you're able to,
Speaker 1: you know, make them feel like you value them. Paul
Speaker 1: was great at that, and he was good because he
Speaker 1: was clearly making stars out of people who had no
Speaker 1: right to be in the wrestling business, such as it
Speaker 1: was constituted at the time. They didn't Spike Dudley bless
Speaker 1: his heart, worked his ass off, great guy from all accounts,
Speaker 1: would have made ten cents in the wrestling business of
Speaker 1: Paul Hayman didn't a have ECW and b couldn't look
Speaker 1: him in the face and say I value you, you
Speaker 1: know right? But it's true. Yeah, that is very much
Speaker 1: a condition of nineties kids, I think because we were
Speaker 1: we and especially as YouTube came out, we were kind
Speaker 1: of sold this idea that we'd all we all could
Speaker 1: be famous if we just tried hard enough.
Speaker 2: Right, or if we just you know, had the right video.
Speaker 1: Right exactly, And we don't really know what it means.
Speaker 1: We don't really know what it gets us to be famous.
Speaker 1: We just know we want to find out right, right.
Speaker 1: It's the Counting Crow song. It's uh, mister Jones, it's
Speaker 1: we all want to be big, big stars, but we
Speaker 1: don't know why, and we don't know how.
Speaker 2: Mm hmm.
Speaker 1: Yeah. And that's that's the thing is so many people
Speaker 1: find out that like it's just it's all, there's no
Speaker 1: money to be made, Like you're just now if you're
Speaker 1: a creative person, you're now just giving it away in
Speaker 1: the hopes that I don't know, it's it's no different
Speaker 1: than hoping someone discovers you would have fucking you know,
Speaker 1: at to Speak Easy or at a fucking nightclub. Yeah,
Speaker 1: a big digital place where you hope someone finds you.
Speaker 1: It's very strange. It's very strange thing that people everyone
Speaker 1: thinks they're about to be discovered somehow. It's very weird.
Speaker 2: But I mean, hey, you know it's no different than
Speaker 2: than Wizard of Oz and yeah, sure, Schwabs Schwab's Pharmacy
Speaker 2: and sitting there hoping somebody sees you put you in
Speaker 2: a picture so good. You know, it's just a different
Speaker 2: way of doing it. I mean, in a weird way
Speaker 2: that's at least better because it required you to go
Speaker 2: to something right, and so you know, you had to
Speaker 2: go to California and then go to Schwabs and buy
Speaker 2: a fucking you know soda.
Speaker 1: It's self selected in a way for people who at
Speaker 1: least cared enough to make the trip right, and who
Speaker 1: cared enough to scrounge together the money to afford the trip.
Speaker 1: And now there's no barrier to entry, and there's a
Speaker 1: million applications and the reason the one person gets picked
Speaker 1: is is completely arbitrary. And you know, Tktua is Hoktua
Speaker 1: because this guy walked up to her when she was
Speaker 1: leaving a nightclub or whatever, a bar and interviewed her. Yep,
Speaker 1: And that guy was doing that for the same reason,
Speaker 1: chasing views that he you know, thinks he can convert
Speaker 1: into a I guess, a career. I think I think
Speaker 1: one of the things I'll say it's the fust thing
Speaker 1: I'll say about this, it's like, I think a lot
Speaker 1: of this creator economy stuff, it dangles this lifestyle in
Speaker 1: front of people, it gives them, and I think that's
Speaker 1: why a lot of them fall in love with, like,
Speaker 1: you know, like policies where no one has to work
Speaker 1: or anything. It's like they think there might actually be
Speaker 1: a way to survive and pay all your bills if
Speaker 1: you just stay online enough, right right, Well I can't,
Speaker 1: it's all. It's always going to be the time you
Speaker 1: spend offline that's going to allow you, yep, to to
Speaker 1: create security for yourself. But I think that that's that's
Speaker 1: a lot of the a lot of the frustration, and
Speaker 1: you know, the venom you see online is like this
Speaker 1: consistent frustration with the fact that you can't tweet through it,
Speaker 1: like you can't you can't read reimagine society in a
Speaker 1: way where suddenly you can afford everything because you just
Speaker 1: keep like you know, making political arguments all the time
Speaker 1: about why things should change and then collecting evidence that
Speaker 1: proves your point, all towards this world where like you
Speaker 1: don't have to work, and it's like and the definition
Speaker 1: of work is you don't want to do it, by
Speaker 1: the way, that's a you know point. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: there's like this this really fading idealism that we can
Speaker 1: just advocate until eventually we can just get paid to
Speaker 1: express our thoughts all day, especially if we dress it
Speaker 1: up like in well produced videos. It's like, no, no one,
Speaker 1: no one's going to pay for your thoughts. I mean
Speaker 1: maybe they maybe you can stumble on a little niche
Speaker 1: audience that will do that. And I'm saying it's impossible,
Speaker 1: but it seems like a lot lot of people think
Speaker 1: that that is a world that they can force into existence.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: I mean that's that they didn't have anything to say yet.
Speaker 1: They didn't have anything to.
Speaker 2: Say yet, and and the and that's the I mean,
Speaker 2: that's that's that's exactly it. Like they want to find
Speaker 2: they want the they want the status, but they don't
Speaker 2: want to put the work in.
Speaker 1: They don't want to live a life so that they
Speaker 1: actually have something to say. They want to just say things.
Speaker 1: It's like all right, or look hot. It's like, oh god, right, right,
Speaker 1: Michaelson writes to us after the Bird Alive show. I
Speaker 1: know it was, yeah, it was bird Alive. We're talking
Speaker 1: about what the first Undertaker Mankind match was on TV,
Speaker 1: and he points out that there's a Colosseum video that
Speaker 1: has an Undertaker Mankind dark match that we had called
Speaker 1: out as not He'd pointed it out and we said,
Speaker 1: well that that wasn't ever on TV. That was the
Speaker 1: first time they wrestled was on TV, but in fact
Speaker 1: it was included on the Colosseum video of the show.
Speaker 1: I think it might be revent to the Taker we're
Speaker 1: thinking of here or something like that. I can't remember
Speaker 1: the exact show, but I did want to give him
Speaker 1: a fistbump for that because it wasn't a foul correction
Speaker 1: at all. If it was on Coliseum video, then video
Speaker 1: exists of the match. I thought it was just I'm
Speaker 1: going to look up the first time these two ever
Speaker 1: wrestled and call that out. When we did the show
Speaker 1: where Dan Peterson commentates in Italian, Choppin Eaquals Detriment had
Speaker 1: the translation. He says. The translation by Dan Peterson says
Speaker 1: it's no secret and Nors calls him out for no taxes.
Speaker 1: It's no secret that most of the taxes are here
Speaker 1: in Milan instead of tax cheats. What he means is
Speaker 1: Milan is the capital of Lombardi, which is the most
Speaker 1: effluent state in Italy, and for years they have been
Speaker 1: disgruntled that all their tax money goes to Rome to
Speaker 1: support the poorer South. In fact, there's been a separatist
Speaker 1: movement in Lombardi, Ala, Catalonia and Spain for the same reason.
Speaker 1: So what Dan Peterson is saying is you're coming out
Speaker 1: here saying you guys cheat on your taxes, but which
Speaker 1: is especially rich because they feel like they pay the
Speaker 1: taxes of the rest of the country.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 1: So I actually had more resonance that I bet micro
Speaker 1: Tunda had any idea.
Speaker 2: I'm sure he's just doing a stupid gimmick.
Speaker 1: Jeff says Ian Fleming would be a creepy ass deviant
Speaker 1: art redditor and not an author if he came along today.
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, And I mean still be smoking a cigar
Speaker 2: with a cigar, I mean cigarette with a cigarette.
Speaker 1: Holder, and just two more before we kick it over
Speaker 1: to Blake as we finally do the house cleaning that
Speaker 1: can only be necessary around the first of the year.
Speaker 1: This one's from Amber I Gabe. Yeah, well, get what
Speaker 1: did I say?
Speaker 3: Is it?
Speaker 2: Blake?
Speaker 1: Oh? I have a letter from another letter. It's just
Speaker 1: a quick closing thought from Blake, and then we go
Speaker 1: to and actually, isn't it isn't Blake, It's Ben Blake.
Speaker 1: But this quickly from Amber dear co chairs. I'm visiting
Speaker 1: my partner's folks for a few weeks, and while they
Speaker 1: are nice people, it's been a bumpy few days because
Speaker 1: I came out to them as a trans woman roughly
Speaker 1: a week before. They are both conservative, so I wasn't
Speaker 1: sure how it would go. Her mother is supportive, just
Speaker 1: doesn't really address it though. He laughs when I make
Speaker 1: sissy jokes at my own expense, which helps ease tension.
Speaker 1: He's a former National Security Agency NSA, so he's got
Speaker 1: that intimidating, stoic demeanor. One night, he told us a
Speaker 1: story about one of his military buddies who picked up
Speaker 1: a tie woman at a bar and took her to
Speaker 1: his room. When they find out that she was a
Speaker 1: he then his friend kicked her out of his room.
Speaker 1: He's probably heard this story before. The devious trans the
Speaker 1: trap who seduces the innocent straight guy only to reveal
Speaker 1: a cock size scott All scattle broad. Typically, the devious
Speaker 1: trans gets a beating in the end. There's a whole
Speaker 1: Sopranos episode about this story, plus it shows up in
Speaker 1: numerous movies and books. Rick Steiner probably as nightmares about
Speaker 1: oh about this kind of thing because he's an insecure,
Speaker 1: fake bitch. So her dad's telling this to us completely
Speaker 1: oblivious to how awkward this is for everyone, especially me.
Speaker 1: His future daughter in law constantly struggles to feel like
Speaker 1: a real person. Sometimes I feel faker than Shane McMahon's punches,
Speaker 1: and they have been hit on by straight minute bars.
Speaker 1: I've heard tell him I'm trans up front. Okay, yep,
Speaker 1: I have friends who are attacked on the street just
Speaker 1: because I think a lot of trans people got file wrestling,
Speaker 1: because those journeys are also right with shame and pain. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's scary because you never know how people will react
Speaker 1: when you tell people your trans up front. I know
Speaker 1: from experience that men like his friend consider trans women
Speaker 1: to be men. Therefore it's okay to hit them, especially
Speaker 1: if there was an attraction from their side. I'll never
Speaker 1: understand why men's masculinely is so threatened by trans women
Speaker 1: queer people because news flash, hormone tree Okay, okay, Anyway,
Speaker 1: that night I retired to the bedroom and broke down
Speaker 1: for a while because this shit is scary and empathy
Speaker 1: is short, is in short supply. But I put it
Speaker 1: all aside and turned on that cast male bag. Addition,
Speaker 1: I love these shows because you never know what's gonna happen.
Speaker 1: Plus Boss often serenades us undeserving Fox with wrestler themes.
Speaker 1: We asked them too late tonight. Maybe next time, Amber, Yeah,
Speaker 1: where else can you get bushwhacker Luke rambling on about
Speaker 1: stone necklaces to make what to make? You forget that
Speaker 1: your father in law will never understand you as usual,
Speaker 1: You guys make everything tolerable for a few hours. PS.
Speaker 1: Last night, my pardner rast if I wanted to watch
Speaker 1: a w since her parents have cable. I immediately said no.
Speaker 1: Coming out to them as trains is one thing, but
Speaker 1: even but even I'm not bold enough to inform them
Speaker 1: that I'm a fan of this bullshit non ballet buffoonery. Wow,
Speaker 1: thanks guys, Amber, thank you Amber. That is that is something, man.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is that's that's that's a that's tough. I
Speaker 2: can't even, I mean I can't. I have no no
Speaker 2: frame of reference for that. I just know that that
Speaker 2: stuff is difficult, and uh, you know, glad, I'm glad.
Speaker 2: I'm glad that we that we can be there.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I say that again.
Speaker 2: We can be there, I said, I'm I said, I'm
Speaker 2: just glad that we can be there.
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that's that's awesome, that putting in.
Speaker 2: The cast, because it's I know that that whole situation
Speaker 2: that could be really tough. You know, it can be
Speaker 2: really really tough.
Speaker 1: Glad that putting in the cast can help, even just
Speaker 1: a little bit. Absolutely, So, We've got a tremendous listenership
Speaker 1: and it's going to keep continuing in the length of
Speaker 1: this fucking show. I think I attest to that this
Speaker 1: episode here to kick off twenty twenty five, I'm going
Speaker 1: to close here as far as the readings with Ben,
Speaker 1: and then we'll hear from Gabe and send you on
Speaker 1: your way to make a twenty twenty five count. Ben writes,
Speaker 1: I've been listening to tlf for years, and probably more
Speaker 1: intently than most, even though I'm not and never have
Speaker 1: been a fan of professional wrestling. I love that subject
Speaker 1: line is a brief synopsis in the closing days of
Speaker 1: TLFX that notwithstanding I think that everything I've learned from
Speaker 1: that cast mostly boils down to this life is almost
Speaker 1: entirely just one big fucking work. So like what you like,
Speaker 1: laugh at what you think is funny, support and cultivate
Speaker 1: the things you care about, do good when you can,
Speaker 1: and give a shit about the people who give a
Speaker 1: shit about you. Thank you for ten rock hard years,
Speaker 1: co chairman, and thank you for truth a mania. Best
Speaker 1: regards Ben Broler, And with a highly concerning note, we
Speaker 1: turn it over and you over to Gabe, who's still walking,
Speaker 1: who's still battling, Just like a certain podcast, I know
Speaker 1: we'll see you next time. Well, fans, we told you
Speaker 1: he would survive. We told you he lived. If you've
Speaker 1: been following us throughout TLFX, you know that there's been
Speaker 1: challenges for one of the great Solar System members there
Speaker 1: has ever been in one, Gabe who we were proud
Speaker 1: to share the details of a GoFundMe and some of
Speaker 1: the things he went through with open heart surgery. And
Speaker 1: as we embark on a new year and put the
Speaker 1: first decade of LAPS behind us and look forward to
Speaker 1: the next, it's a very good thing, I would submit,
Speaker 1: and I'm sure the boss would agree that we still
Speaker 1: have Gabe in our corner and he's back. Well, I'm
Speaker 1: not sure if he's on his feet or not. He's
Speaker 1: probably sitting down now I am.
Speaker 3: I am sitting now. Sure. Look, it's it's true. I
Speaker 3: was almost compromised to a permanent endow. I was hoping
Speaker 3: that Jack would pick up on that one. The rumors
Speaker 3: of my death have been greatly exaggerated.
Speaker 2: You've heard from Gabe over the years, one of the
Speaker 2: earliest supporters of the show, one of the first to
Speaker 2: come to the.
Speaker 1: Table and say, hey, I really take what you guys
Speaker 1: are doing. How about some some sponsorship, just all kinds
Speaker 1: of stuff like that. You know him of course from
Speaker 1: the Whole Ballgame podcast. That is kind of a bit
Speaker 1: of offspring from what we've been doing all this time.
Speaker 3: And ship we're TLF cosplayers. Man, We're a TLF cover band.
Speaker 3: That's what we are. Really honest here.
Speaker 1: Boss, cover band. I like that.
Speaker 2: I don't mind that at all. I mean, listen, the
Speaker 2: more the merrier on that, keep it up. I appreciate
Speaker 2: cover bands.
Speaker 1: How uh, Well, while Gabe is listening, Boss, how great
Speaker 1: is it to hear him back on on the air.
Speaker 2: Oh, it's fantastic. I mean listen, the the the the
Speaker 2: trials and tribulations, the trial of your life in many ways.
Speaker 2: So I mean it's there's nothing better. It's so great
Speaker 2: to be able to hear your voice and have you
Speaker 2: back here.
Speaker 3: Thank you. That means a lot, you know. Uh, I
Speaker 3: wrote some notes down because I didn't want to go
Speaker 3: into this blind and babble on for forever and get
Speaker 3: get you guys, you know, kind of an update and
Speaker 3: kind of get you caught up with what my last
Speaker 3: it was. Uh, it was nine weeks on Friday. Since
Speaker 3: you guys are familiar with Christmas vacation, yes, I mean
Speaker 3: we're all Christmas Christmas heads here, So nine weeks ago
Speaker 3: today or well nine weeks ago Friday as we're recording this,
Speaker 3: I was played open like the Griswold family, Turkey on
Speaker 3: a on a surgery on a in an operating room.
Speaker 3: And I'm not exaggerating, Like, guys.
Speaker 1: They break the breastbone, don't they.
Speaker 3: They So what they did is they they have this
Speaker 3: device called a ribspreader, And so I still have bruises
Speaker 3: on the bottom of my biggest fat roll, which is
Speaker 3: getting smaller, which is a great side effect of surgery.
Speaker 3: But uh, it's where they anchor the ribspreader, right, So
Speaker 3: they anchor it there.
Speaker 1: That was Owen Heart's nickname, by the way.
Speaker 3: Oh Man, straight to hell, all of us wonderful. And
Speaker 3: they use a what is essentially it's a surgical saw,
Speaker 3: but essentially it's a circular saw, and they, you know,
Speaker 3: they make an incision first with a scalpel down my chest,
Speaker 3: which I have this really wicked ass like fourteen and
Speaker 3: a half inch scar.
Speaker 2: Right down the center, right down the center. You're gonna
Speaker 2: have to get a scott Steiner tattoo to cover that
Speaker 2: one up. Yeah, or a Lesnar one too, you know,
Speaker 2: sword right.
Speaker 3: No, No, I don't think so. I think I think
Speaker 3: I'll let the scars I'm wearing open, uh you know,
Speaker 3: button up shirts wide open the rest of my life.
Speaker 3: I earned it. I support that anyway. So they use
Speaker 3: the scalpel and then they they use a circular saw
Speaker 3: and they directly in half cut the breastbone between the
Speaker 3: two ribs, and then they anchor the ribs spreader. They
Speaker 3: put the the arms of the rib spreader on either
Speaker 3: side of the breastbone, and then they turn a crank.
Speaker 1: Boss thoughts, and I.
Speaker 2: I can't even I mean, listen, it's it's what really
Speaker 2: the problem is is that I'm hearing imaginary sounds in
Speaker 2: my head of what this sounds like spreading of bone
Speaker 2: and flesh, and just like it's just it's just a
Speaker 2: sound that the human ears were not meant to hear.
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, luckily I didn't have to.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, listen, that's great, but I'm hearing it. I'm
Speaker 2: hearing it now and there's nothing you can do about that.
Speaker 3: Well, if it makes you feel any better. I hear
Speaker 3: the tick of my artificial heart valve constantly all the time.
Speaker 3: It's very very Edgar Allen Poe tell Tale heart sort
Speaker 3: of stuff going on. It's just a I should send
Speaker 3: you guys, just a because my phone picks it up
Speaker 3: really well. Because my breastbone isn't completely healed, so you
Speaker 3: can hear it outside my body in a quiet room.
Speaker 3: It's really really crazy. But yeah, so they did that.
Speaker 3: What I continue to be confounded by and astonished by
Speaker 3: is the the ability of the human body to heal,
Speaker 3: even human bodies that you haven't necessarily taken the best
Speaker 3: care of. Like I said, nine weeks ago, they did
Speaker 3: that to me. Today, I have slight discomfort occasionally, but
Speaker 3: I have no pain.
Speaker 1: Unbelievable, it is.
Speaker 3: It's nuts.
Speaker 1: We've exchanged texts, but his first time I've heard your voice,
Speaker 1: Ince went down. I honestly expected kind of like a lethargic,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, kind of like a voice
Speaker 1: that still spoke, because I know you were probably barely
Speaker 1: able to speak in the beginning. Right.
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, it was man, those first I was in
Speaker 3: the hospital for seven days, and it was especially the
Speaker 3: for like waking up and recovery and then kind of
Speaker 3: transitioning from recovery into the main room. The best indicator
Speaker 3: I have of this is I had very little appetite
Speaker 3: for at least five weeks after surgery. I lost seventy
Speaker 3: five pounds from the day I went into surgery to
Speaker 3: about five weeks out. It's insane. Yeah, it's absolutely nuts.
Speaker 3: I mean I I was eating like six eight hundred
Speaker 3: calories a day. Just Jesus, there's just nothing, like nothing
Speaker 3: sounded good. But I think it was day two or
Speaker 3: day three, I was in my hospital room and my
Speaker 3: wife was there and she was talking to me, and
Speaker 3: there was a little little cup of green jello that
Speaker 3: they had brought me, and I scooped a spoonful of
Speaker 3: the green yellow and fell asleep before it got to
Speaker 3: my mouth. Oh my god, I mean it just like
Speaker 3: I mean.
Speaker 1: This is like straight like Sean Michael's nineteen ninety.
Speaker 3: Five correct, I may as well have been Matt Hardy
Speaker 3: in a diner or Jeff Hardy in the diner in
Speaker 3: North Carolina. It was it was it was like that.
Speaker 3: Just they had me, you know, they had me on
Speaker 3: nerve blockers and you know, pretty serious painkillers and stuff
Speaker 3: for the first week, and then they sent me home
Speaker 3: with some too.
Speaker 1: But I tell the people, if you could gave what
Speaker 1: was the issue that they remedied.
Speaker 3: It's I'll be as brief as I can, but it's
Speaker 3: an absolutely nuts story. So we talked about weight loss.
Speaker 3: I have been a rotund individual for my entire life,
Speaker 3: and I've never I've always kind of battled with it.
Speaker 3: And in February of this year, I went to the
Speaker 3: doctor finally to get it rectified. As you guys know,
Speaker 3: I have a new baby here, twenty month old, little
Speaker 3: piece of heaven, and I just wanted to get it right,
Speaker 3: you know what I mean. Like I was, I was
Speaker 3: pushing towards four hundred and that was scary, and so
Speaker 3: I went to the doctor and we we worked on
Speaker 3: a plan, and they got me on some blood pressure
Speaker 3: medication and and then I started on wigov which is
Speaker 3: you know, one of the famous, you know, weight loss
Speaker 3: drugs that are derived from the diabetes drugs UH. In July,
Speaker 3: I went through two rounds of July. I hit the
Speaker 3: top dose. Wigovy's kind of an incremental dose. You get
Speaker 3: higher and higher and higher. Got to the top dose
Speaker 3: in July. Fourth of July weekend, I was sick as
Speaker 3: a dog. Couldn't figure out why. And then three weeks
Speaker 3: later I was even sicker, and I knocked me on
Speaker 3: a commission. For like five days, I was throwing up
Speaker 3: everything that I ate, even stuff that I'd eaten two
Speaker 3: three days ago. To Wogovy does two things. It slows
Speaker 3: down your digestion digestion, and it it regulates your insulin,
Speaker 3: so you you create insulin like a normal human being
Speaker 3: instead of somebody who has absolutely no metabolism.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 3: And so I was at the top dose. My body
Speaker 3: was just not digesting food fast enough, and so I
Speaker 3: was it was making me sick. I didn't know that,
Speaker 3: but I woke up in the middle of the night
Speaker 3: on a Thursday night, and I was just so ill,
Speaker 3: and my wife was like, you have to go. You
Speaker 3: have to fucking go to the er. Stop this. So
Speaker 3: I went to the ar and I told him what
Speaker 3: was wrong, and they said where I was pointing was
Speaker 3: essentially my spleen and that doesn't make any sense. So
Speaker 3: they did a full body scan CTE and found what's
Speaker 3: called an aortic aneurysm and a big motherfucker, a big motherfucker.
Speaker 3: So essentially the high blood likely the high blood pressure
Speaker 3: for as long as I was living with it, I
Speaker 3: mean I was, I was one forty over one ten,
Speaker 3: just normal sitting down.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 3: It just the blood flows through the aorta out of
Speaker 3: the heart at such a pressure that it bulges out.
Speaker 3: And that's what the aneurysm is. It's just a big
Speaker 3: bulge in the the aorda.
Speaker 2: Let's say, aneurysms are fucking scary motherfuckers. There's like, you know,
Speaker 2: there's just no real warning. They just fucking yeah none.
Speaker 3: I mean, John, that's how John Richard died. John Richard
Speaker 3: didn't know there was anything wrong, and he just walked
Speaker 3: on set and it dissected and that was the end
Speaker 3: of it, and mine was. The threshold for surgery is
Speaker 3: three and a half centimeters to four centimeters, and mine
Speaker 3: was five point five. And so they did, honestly, they
Speaker 3: just sent me directly to a cardiothoracic surgeon after I
Speaker 3: went to the ECHA cardiogram, went to the ECHA cardiogram,
Speaker 3: and they found and this is this was the kicker,
Speaker 3: and this is kind of it was a combination of
Speaker 3: the blood pressure in this piece. That that that made
Speaker 3: it made it really an issue, was most people's aortic
Speaker 3: valve in their heart has three little flaps on it
Speaker 3: that open and close, open and close. Mine only had two.
Speaker 3: They call it a bicuspid valve, which is a birth
Speaker 3: effect that's hereditary. And I've had my entire life and
Speaker 3: had absolutely no idea. I'm forty one, and.
Speaker 2: So do all these issues come downstream from that game.
Speaker 2: But it had nothing to do with your dialing it
Speaker 2: in on the weight loss and going hard.
Speaker 3: No, No, the weight loss thing was just just a
Speaker 3: way to get me to the emergency room. Had I
Speaker 3: not had a stomach ache, you know, I'd still you know,
Speaker 3: I wouldn't have had a surgery.
Speaker 2: I have an account of, like you said, the metabolism
Speaker 2: issue with the drugs.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's amazing.
Speaker 3: I have no reason to get a heart scan, and
Speaker 3: a lot of people don't, but by god, you should
Speaker 3: figure it out. Just something, you know.
Speaker 1: Just wellness policy. I mean, look since Eddie, right, I
Speaker 1: mean I haven't heard of many if Eddie like that,
Speaker 1: where you know, there's like this this uh premature sort
Speaker 1: of failure of the heart from these these wrestlers. And
Speaker 1: that's been the huge thing, is like regular cardiogram for
Speaker 1: these guys, and they're much more aware of heart health
Speaker 1: and in early signs.
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know it. It was it was weird happenstance,
Speaker 3: and and and I ended up at the cardiothoracic surgeon.
Speaker 3: He's like, yeah, you got to have the surgery. That's
Speaker 3: kind of all there is to it. And I was like,
Speaker 3: it's non invasive, right, you can figure that. No, we
Speaker 3: got to crack the open. Yeah, uh, you know. And
Speaker 3: of course then the fear starts and you start to
Speaker 3: like really kind of think about what your life is
Speaker 3: and was and will be, and you know, all of
Speaker 3: the Brett Hart shit.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm not sure when is a good time to
Speaker 2: bring this up, but I suppose it'll probably be here
Speaker 2: because when we heard, we were like, oh, man, like
Speaker 2: you know, sharing the word every time we do a
Speaker 2: podcast that you guys are trying to, you know, raise
Speaker 2: the funds to be able to live somewhat seamlessly on
Speaker 2: the other side from a you know, a stability point
Speaker 2: of view. And I'm sure that was challenging. We'll talk
Speaker 2: about that, but it remains challenging. But we're like, what
Speaker 2: can we do? You know, that's a little something extra.
Speaker 2: What can we do that's a little I don't even
Speaker 2: know how to describe like what came over.
Speaker 3: Us life affirming I would I would go there just no, no,
Speaker 3: don't laugh.
Speaker 1: Well, well go ahead.
Speaker 2: I mean I don't want to characterize it any any
Speaker 2: other way than you would as the person who we
Speaker 2: thought we'd try something for. And man, am I so
Speaker 2: happy that we're able to come back and just talk
Speaker 2: about it. Is like this fun thing as opposed to like,
Speaker 2: you know, a missive that could have been one last one,
Speaker 2: you know, I mean, this is serious surgery, as you know,
Speaker 2: and is anyone who just listened to your description told
Speaker 2: and just go ahead if you wouldn't mind.
Speaker 3: You yeah, so well, it's interesting, right. I. Uh, Jamie
Speaker 3: and I have become as we talked about on the
Speaker 3: show before, Jamie and I have become good friends with
Speaker 3: with Dana Massey, who's Matt Matt Jackson's wife, and she
Speaker 3: came to Chicago, which is about a two and a
Speaker 3: half hour drive for us, for the pay per view
Speaker 3: that was in Chicago. I don't even remember what it
Speaker 3: was because we were only there for about twenty minutes.
Speaker 3: We went and saw her and you know, hung out
Speaker 3: a little bit, and we drove home the next morning,
Speaker 3: which is a Sunday morning, and I suppose I would
Speaker 3: have gotten the mail on Friday or Saturday, but I
Speaker 3: came home to I think in large part thanks to
Speaker 3: Blake reaching out to you guys and you finding a
Speaker 3: sort of place to plant this flag for the first time.
Speaker 3: And uh, there's a bit there's a big, you know,
Speaker 3: sort of FedEx style envelope, and there was a oh god,
Speaker 3: it's right next to me.
Speaker 1: Where is it at?
Speaker 3: It's down here somewhere. I believe it was the January
Speaker 3: nineteen ninety two p W I inside p W Pro
Speaker 3: Wrestling Illustrated. Sorry that all these fucking website pisses me off.
Speaker 3: I always get it mixed up with my It's like
Speaker 3: when you want to say Starcade and you say star
Speaker 3: cast instead because of that big old fat of a goo.
Speaker 3: Fuck you, Connie. Now I'm kidding, you know I love you?
Speaker 3: Where count anyway?
Speaker 2: I claim Connie? Like that.
Speaker 3: Anyway?
Speaker 2: Conn Thompson sounds like someone who works at the church.
Speaker 3: Look here, Gabe, you just don't want to fall out
Speaker 3: of the truck. Okay, whatever did you do? You know we're.
Speaker 2: Involved right now, Gabe, and correct me if I'm wrong
Speaker 2: in some fellow, Yo.
Speaker 3: We are. We are engaging. Hell yeah, hell yeah.
Speaker 1: Let the people know what was in that hot little
Speaker 1: envelope of yours.
Speaker 3: The January nineteen ninety two Pro Wrestling Illustrated with a
Speaker 3: really terrible picture of Rick Flair on the cover.
Speaker 1: It's the haircut Jim hed hair. Yeah.
Speaker 3: Oh god yeah, Spartacus and uh uh what do they
Speaker 3: call those things? Like a little drive? Right? A thumb
Speaker 3: drum drive?
Speaker 2: Yes, flash drive?
Speaker 3: Flash drive? And I'm like, and of course you know
Speaker 3: it says on the on the uh I see this
Speaker 3: from you guys because they see the returner drives. I'm like,
Speaker 3: what the hell could this possibly fucking be? And I
Speaker 3: opened it up, I put it in and say, you know,
Speaker 3: the fire. There's a couple of files on there, but
Speaker 3: the one that's important says listen to this Gabe in
Speaker 3: all cats. I'm like, all right, well I might as well,
Speaker 3: and I sit here at my computer for the next
Speaker 3: two hours and forty five minutes. That's correct, And you
Speaker 3: guys just deep dive this fucking magazine for me, just
Speaker 3: for me. Uh. And my wife went had gone into
Speaker 3: the other room to take a nap, and she didn't
Speaker 3: know what was going on. When she came out, I
Speaker 3: was listening to it and I was crying, and she
Speaker 3: was like, well, what what, What's what's wrong? Why is this?
Speaker 3: And And what it comes down to is there are, uh,
Speaker 3: there are things that I've shared with you guys over
Speaker 3: the years that you know, we've had countless conversations and
Speaker 3: for you to remember little things like this was just
Speaker 3: it was just so life farming, like I said, and encouraging.
Speaker 3: But every year on Christmas, as we mentioned, I'm a
Speaker 3: big Christmas guy and you guys are too. I think
Speaker 3: it's you know, that's that's evident.
Speaker 1: Very much, and we may even overdo it.
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 2: I've never shared that about you're talking about having recorded
Speaker 2: the unwrapping and fucking Santa's Workshop.
Speaker 3: Man, I I listened first thing every morning, you know. Anyway, Uh,
Speaker 3: in my stocking every year would be a p w I,
Speaker 3: a wrestler, and the third one that I can't remember
Speaker 3: off the top of my head, and.
Speaker 1: The wrestling insider right.
Speaker 3: Inside wrestling that's the one. And uh, this was one
Speaker 3: of them at one point for sure, but it was
Speaker 3: I'd always wake up before everybody else would. And the
Speaker 3: only day night of the year that my parents would
Speaker 3: leave the tree lights on would be Christmas Eve. And
Speaker 3: so it's still dark outside and I'm just sitting on
Speaker 3: the couch by the light of the Christmas tree reading
Speaker 3: p w I before my parents wake up, you know,
Speaker 3: including those rankings and all of the bullshit letters, and
Speaker 3: and just thinking like, man, man, I would love to
Speaker 3: see this promotion that I've never heard of. And and
Speaker 3: you guys dove that that magazine and it was just
Speaker 3: I mean, it may be overused on the cast, but
Speaker 3: it was electric, it was electrifying. It was it was
Speaker 3: life affirming, and I can't thank you guys enough for it.
Speaker 1: Well, boss, I know not to speak for you, but
Speaker 1: I mean we've wanted to do something like that for
Speaker 1: a while because you always talk about the rankings pages
Speaker 1: right right right, and it's like we had, we got,
Speaker 1: we gotta hands on copies of these things as time
Speaker 1: goes and it's like, what if we did it this way?
Speaker 1: What if we did a one of one, you know
Speaker 1: kind of thing. And I don't know as much as
Speaker 1: we did it for que at a certain point it
Speaker 1: was like, this.
Speaker 2: Is just fucking fun. Yeah, Oh that's that was the
Speaker 2: thing about it. I mean, yes, I'm I'm glad it
Speaker 2: meant something to you game, but it was just fun selfishly.
Speaker 3: Look, and that's that's the other thing. That's the other thing, right,
Speaker 3: is like I'm listening to this thing and we're going
Speaker 3: through it. I don't remember the last because I don't look,
Speaker 3: and I think I'm not I don't think I'm in
Speaker 3: the minority here. But it's very rare that I watch
Speaker 3: along with anything that you guys do. You know, you
Speaker 3: don't do it ton of watch along as anyway. But
Speaker 3: I've seen these shows so many times that it's just
Speaker 3: like I don't need it I just need them, right
Speaker 3: And this thumbing through it page by page with you
Speaker 3: was the most engaged that I've been with you guys
Speaker 3: for a long period of time, like ever, and it
Speaker 3: was just it was there was a magic about it
Speaker 3: that I can't overstate.
Speaker 1: Well, we lost you know, we lost physical media. We
Speaker 1: lost it along the way right right, And here's a
Speaker 1: way to to give us a reason to rediscover it.
Speaker 1: Because you can pick up as many old pwy's at
Speaker 1: as many yard sales or whatever, or as many vintage
Speaker 1: shops or you know, antique places or wherever you find
Speaker 1: these things as you want, but it's you have to
Speaker 1: you have to share the enthusiasm of holding that in
Speaker 1: your hand with somebody else to really get closer to
Speaker 1: to that moment we had, the moment you had near
Speaker 1: the tree.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeahactly, I can feel like it's crazy to think about,
Speaker 3: but I can close my eyes, I can feel it
Speaker 3: now and right like.
Speaker 1: That's you know, that's what we've been trying to do
Speaker 1: for ten years and trying to do another ten It's like,
Speaker 1: get back to is to let you know, Gabe that
Speaker 1: we were by the tree too, in our own little way,
Speaker 1: and we and there's No, there's no shame in trying
Speaker 1: to go back there. In fact, it's vital. It's vital,
Speaker 1: and well this is great because I haven't had the chance.
Speaker 3: I know you.
Speaker 2: Expressed gratitude that whatever I mean. But that that that
Speaker 2: you actually took it in like that is is exactly
Speaker 2: I think what we were hoping for. So oh for sure,
Speaker 2: like that was you. You you kind of organically took
Speaker 2: it exactly what we were what we were hoping for.
Speaker 3: Well, look, you know, my the soundtrack to my recovery. Unfortunately,
Speaker 3: because I devoured this so quickly. Uh was was ruled
Speaker 3: by the master and ruler of the world, and so
Speaker 3: it was. It was wonderful, don't get me wrong, but
Speaker 3: that was the soundtrack to my recovery. Was was you
Speaker 3: guys going on and on about fucking Vienna sausages every week?
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ, I think he went on, Have you had
Speaker 1: I have?
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, I mean anybody that grew up in the
Speaker 3: Midwest has had them. They did, just they're you know,
Speaker 3: they're not my preferred potted meat.
Speaker 1: Taste. Like we couldn't bring ourselves to try it.
Speaker 3: Uh, Okay, have either of you had, Pete? Yes, it
Speaker 3: tastes nothing like that, but it's the it's the exact
Speaker 3: same consistency.
Speaker 2: Of like, So I guess that I would have guessed
Speaker 2: mom a snappy hot dog. Well, I would have guessed
Speaker 2: like kind of a like honestly to me, it looks
Speaker 2: like a hot dog, just kind of it's it's like
Speaker 2: too soft, like it's MUSHes.
Speaker 3: Correct. Yeah, yeah, there's a little case thing on the outside,
Speaker 3: but you bite into it and just MUSHes. That's why
Speaker 3: most people eat it with crackers because it'll just mush
Speaker 3: on the crackers because it's fucking gross. Yeah. No, not
Speaker 3: a not a great delicacy. But you know, to each
Speaker 3: to each their own. Fuck in West Memphis either you guys,
Speaker 3: we were talking about the tree. Are you guys familiar
Speaker 3: with Simone de Beauvoirs, Sure, okay, one of my favorite
Speaker 3: philosophers of all time. As a matter of fact, I
Speaker 3: used to have a cat named Simon that I named
Speaker 3: He was a boy, but I named him after her.
Speaker 3: She said, what is an adult a child blown up
Speaker 3: by age?
Speaker 1: Yes, that's great and that's correct.
Speaker 3: And I interpret that two ways. I interpret that as
Speaker 3: exactly what it sounds like, like. We hold on to
Speaker 3: it all children, and the faster you acknowledge that, the
Speaker 3: faster you can, you can live your life successfully.
Speaker 4: Yes, the LAPSTNG Wrestling Podcast, the wrestling podcast that knows
Speaker 4: the boys need their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan.
Speaker 6: Just because we posted a new episode of The Lapsed
Speaker 6: Fan doesn't mean we are done with the campaign to
Speaker 6: take what is rightfully ours. If you haven't yet, vote
Speaker 6: for The Lapsed Fan to win the award for Wrestling
Speaker 6: Podcast of the Year, click on this show's notes, follow
Speaker 6: the link and do the right thing.
Speaker 4: He's The Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast with Jack and.
Speaker 2: I.
Speaker 3: Also, you can look at it as a little bit
Speaker 3: less bubbly a worldview. We lose our childhood, we lose
Speaker 3: that innocence as we grow. It's blown literally blown up,
Speaker 3: a child, blown up by age. Whether that's what she
Speaker 3: meant or not, I don't know, but I think about
Speaker 3: it a lot, especially when we talk about the shame
Speaker 3: of enjoying professional wrestling and the pain and all of
Speaker 3: that stuff. The reason I think it's it's important to
Speaker 3: talk about now, at least for me, is that, whether
Speaker 3: you want to or not, going through something like this
Speaker 3: gives you a little bit of perspective, and as cliche
Speaker 3: as that sounds, I mean.
Speaker 1: That's that's a huge part of the reason that we
Speaker 1: felt this is how we should start the year, because
Speaker 1: you're you're now coming back to us having come up
Speaker 1: to a line that we all hope no one in
Speaker 1: the Solar System has to walk up to.
Speaker 2: But yeah, but you know, you're so in the inner
Speaker 2: sanctum of what we do, and we know you so
Speaker 2: much more than we do the other Solar System members
Speaker 2: that we're really turning to you for this. So so
Speaker 2: don't hesitate, don't worry about cliches.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's I shame doesn't really doesn't really factor
Speaker 3: in for me much anymore. I think there's there's uh,
Speaker 3: there's always something below the service that's always going to
Speaker 3: be there. It's just it's just kind of inherent and you,
Speaker 3: especially if you've dealt with it for a long enough time,
Speaker 3: it's part of you. But you know this what we're
Speaker 3: doing here, you know, talking about it, what you guys do,
Speaker 3: listening to you guys so masterfully do what you do,
Speaker 3: and then even kind of extracted and blown out into
Speaker 3: you know, at a thirty thousand foot view, the things
Speaker 3: that Blake and I are doing with stupid, silly voices
Speaker 3: and sort of unvarnished bullshit where we don't filter ourselves
Speaker 3: for better or worse. One day we're going to get
Speaker 3: in trouble. But like it, just you have to soak
Speaker 3: in every little piece of everything. And I went back
Speaker 3: to the hospital on Thursday of this week because so
Speaker 3: because I have this mechanical heart valve, my blood has
Speaker 3: to be thin forever. So I'm on blood thinners and
Speaker 3: so it doesn't clot up on the non biological material
Speaker 3: and send a blood clot to my brain and kill me.
Speaker 3: I have to get tested every once in a while,
Speaker 3: and the blood thinner stuff that you take is a
Speaker 3: little finicky and they have to figure out the right
Speaker 3: dosage and all this stuff. And I went two weeks
Speaker 3: in a row and it was too low, which means
Speaker 3: blood was too thick, and so they had to take
Speaker 3: me to the hospital and pump me full of IVY
Speaker 3: blood thinners for three days to get my numbers back right.
Speaker 3: You know. So I was climbing the walls. But uh,
Speaker 3: the point is that it's it's just don't oh oh sorry,
Speaker 3: I knew I was going somewhere with that I watched
Speaker 3: Saturday night's main event in the fucking hospital and the
Speaker 3: nurses were walking in and out. I could not have
Speaker 3: killed less.
Speaker 1: That's it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. You know. I wish they would stop
Speaker 3: with these fucking half measures and just do what they're
Speaker 3: supposed to do on something like this, But you know
Speaker 3: I can beggars and choosers.
Speaker 1: Right, hospital thoughts, Yeah.
Speaker 3: Exactly, for Christ's sake, I did like the bike rack.
Speaker 3: Why couldn't you have the bike rack at ringside too?
Speaker 3: Give me a break, Like we can't see the people's knees.
Speaker 3: This is a problem for us. Yeah, anyway, anyway, that's
Speaker 3: my point is just that let it go, guys, let
Speaker 3: it go. Like if you like something, just enjoy it.
Speaker 3: And and it doesn't mean you have to be loud
Speaker 3: about it. But like nobody, none of it fucking matters, right,
Speaker 3: it's and you know, Blake's taught me a lot in
Speaker 3: this regard, even before all of this shit went down.
Speaker 3: But his go to his mantra is it's fine, and
Speaker 3: it is it always is, even if it's not.
Speaker 1: It's fine, right, even if it's not, the power of
Speaker 1: declaring it so helps, Yeah, to say it's fine. Helps
Speaker 1: even if it's not.
Speaker 3: If I can, before you know, we we wrap and
Speaker 3: I don't want to take up more, too much more
Speaker 3: of your time. We've been going on for half an hour,
Speaker 3: but I want to address solar system, if that's all
Speaker 3: right with you.
Speaker 1: Absolutely.
Speaker 3: The outpouring that I saw from the solar system was
Speaker 3: and I don't use this term lightly. I really thought
Speaker 3: about it. It was debilitating, it was huge, it was swift,
Speaker 3: it was kind, it was overwhelming. Lots of people donated
Speaker 3: names that I recognize. Some are out there. Someone donated anonymously,
Speaker 3: so I'm not going to blow up their spot. Some
Speaker 3: as little as five bucks, but it it doesn't matter.
Speaker 3: It's about the it's about the Hello ship.
Speaker 1: Well some some of them only had seven bucks in
Speaker 1: their pocket, but if you stick with them long enough.
Speaker 3: I did not, unfortunately, get a truck.
Speaker 1: Did I. But before you go on, which I really
Speaker 1: want you to, I wanted to ask when you first
Speaker 1: came out of the Boss, I'll I'll que you up next,
Speaker 1: did it hurt to laugh?
Speaker 3: And like?
Speaker 1: Could you not listen to us? I was? I was thinking,
Speaker 1: we are you actually going to hurt this guy?
Speaker 2: Ye?
Speaker 3: Yes, yes you are. And you did yes, Fox, they
Speaker 3: sent me home, and well, it gave it to me
Speaker 3: to the first day I was. I was there after surgery.
Speaker 3: But I have a heart shaped pillow that's very thick
Speaker 3: and very fluffy, and they pull it full of stuff
Speaker 3: and it was for me to use when I laugh
Speaker 3: or cough or sneeze. I was supposed to hug it
Speaker 3: to protect my breastbone. Oh and most every night in
Speaker 3: the hospital when I had you guys on, because I
Speaker 3: couldn't stand to watch the nineteen inch flat screen television
Speaker 3: in the room without my glasses on. Yes, I laughed
Speaker 3: a lot and hugged that pillow quite a bit. Because
Speaker 3: of your ridict Us College podcast.
Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad you had a way to mitigate the impact. Boss.
Speaker 1: Did you want to say something there?
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I was actually curious. Did anyone give you
Speaker 2: seven dollars?
Speaker 3: I don't think so. I think I think there was one.
Speaker 3: I think one guy gave three sixteen, which is pretty
Speaker 3: fucking cool.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's great.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I did want to shout out Dickie, a man
Speaker 3: who I have never even spoken to, who's another you know,
Speaker 3: died in the wool member of the Solar system, and
Speaker 3: we were Yeah, As a matter of fact, Blake and
Speaker 3: I swore vengeance for finding out that he gave that
Speaker 3: fucking branding iron to Brandon from New Jersey, who, by
Speaker 3: the way, is responsible for those drones.
Speaker 1: I've decided, well, it's my understanding that he actually gave
Speaker 1: it to John Pollock, the homie from post wrestling, but
Speaker 1: I could be wrong about that. I think there may
Speaker 1: be Jackson.
Speaker 3: Pollock pretty sure he painted some of the paintings in
Speaker 3: the hotel room or the hospital.
Speaker 1: Room with the browning iron.
Speaker 3: Yes, whoever whoever he gave it to, he won it.
Speaker 3: He didn't take it back to Australia because he didn't
Speaker 3: want to pay for custom yard. I don't blame him there, no,
Speaker 3: I it's no I know.
Speaker 2: I'm the first thing I thought of, like ad Belluh
Speaker 2: he they the fuck is this?
Speaker 1: It's a weapon?
Speaker 3: Sir? Yeah, it's a good point. I guess that's true.
Speaker 3: Ship it for three hundred and fifty dollars. Yeah, No,
Speaker 3: I all jokes aside. Like I was, I was astonished
Speaker 3: time and time again by the generosity of people through
Speaker 3: this thing, especially it's such a crap shoot and you
Speaker 3: kinda like the thought went through my head like you
Speaker 3: kind of only get one shot at doing a GoFundMe
Speaker 3: in your life.
Speaker 1: That's true.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I mean, Like it's like it
Speaker 3: hasfe story. Yeah, if you have any shame at all, right,
Speaker 3: And while we talked about losing it in this case, yes,
Speaker 3: I have a fair amount of shame. So so I
Speaker 3: went back and forth a lot about whether or not
Speaker 3: to even do this. But like again we're back to
Speaker 3: this life affirming thing where it's like, holy shit, the
Speaker 3: generosity of people is just astonishing. People complete strangers, people
Speaker 3: from the podcast who listen to the same podcast as you,
Speaker 3: giving you two hundred three hundred, four hundred five hundred dollars.
Speaker 3: And it's like that is that doesn't make any logical sense.
Speaker 3: But what connects us is so much stronger than what
Speaker 3: divides us. And today right now, fucking especially that shit
Speaker 3: we got to hold onto.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I just think I mean ten, well, twelve
Speaker 1: years ago, twenty years ago, it's not really not really
Speaker 1: an option available to people to build a community around
Speaker 1: something called a podcast such that they consider you, you know,
Speaker 1: brothers and sisters in arms, not just fellow spectators. You know.
Speaker 1: It's just it's a new I think it's an underappreciated
Speaker 1: part of what podcasting is and it's unique to podcasting.
Speaker 2: Well, I'm saying this what podcasting can be. That's right, correct, Yes,
Speaker 2: thank you for that. What it strives, I think, what
Speaker 2: it strives to what everyone kind of strives to want.
Speaker 1: That's that's the testament. That's the testament to to why
Speaker 1: we why we would bother doing as much as we do,
Speaker 1: because like we just keep going and people keep showing
Speaker 1: that actually.
Speaker 3: Matters.
Speaker 1: I guess you can say it matters. Yeah, it matters,
Speaker 1: and it matters in as much as to me, it
Speaker 1: doesn't matter until it's made manifest in the real world.
Speaker 1: And this is real. This is real support. This is
Speaker 1: not people pretending to support you because they want to
Speaker 1: be part of a crew or correct.
Speaker 3: Right, when you're talking about cash.
Speaker 1: There's in the United States of America. I mean, until
Speaker 1: there's money exchange, no one believes anything.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's we we joke about fellowship, right, but the
Speaker 3: reality is I I think back on on our dinner
Speaker 3: in Philadelphia quite a bit, just for the uninitiated or unaware,
Speaker 3: Blake and I, you guys have heard us, you know,
Speaker 3: on the show before talking about our podcast we wanted
Speaker 3: to advertise with with the Boys here and try to
Speaker 3: get the name out on the podcast. And we knew
Speaker 3: we were all going to be in Philly together, and
Speaker 3: so we invited Jack and JP and we went into
Speaker 3: some steakhouse. It's fantastic.
Speaker 2: It's the best stake I've ever heard some steakhouse.
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I wasn't going to go there, but it
Speaker 3: wasn't wasn't an inexpensive a fellowship.
Speaker 1: Especially especially when you order the Butcher's cut with no
Speaker 1: price on a menu. They just represent that such a
Speaker 1: thing exists. Verbally, I'm just glad.
Speaker 2: I'm just glad that we all we all felt for that, right.
Speaker 3: But yeah, it was just like we got them and
Speaker 3: we kind of like looked at each other. My favorite
Speaker 3: part of the evening, however, was when Jack and JP arrived.
Speaker 3: So Blake and I are there and we're just wearing
Speaker 3: shirts and jeans, right. The bouncer threatened to not let
Speaker 3: Jack and JP in because they were wearing sweatpants. To the.
Speaker 1: No, it was it was just me.
Speaker 2: I had the ath Leisure, I had the Vioris on
Speaker 2: you know, which, Yes, I could have bought a twenty
Speaker 2: dollars pair of chinos that would have.
Speaker 1: Been like way less expensive. That's what hilarious anyway.
Speaker 3: And and Jaff walks in and he's like, they're not
Speaker 3: gonna let us in, and I was like, what do
Speaker 3: you mean? And he said he just told me I
Speaker 3: couldn't come in. And I was like, well, we're already in,
Speaker 3: so let's walk to the table.
Speaker 1: And he just looked at me like he was watching
Speaker 1: a ship take off that had his wife on it
Speaker 1: and he knew he was never gonna get to it.
Speaker 2: It's like, okay, here, here's what I'll do. You say
Speaker 2: I can't get into the dress code. Okay, buddy, thanks
Speaker 2: a lot. You know what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna
Speaker 2: go I remember this now. I'm gonna go talk to
Speaker 2: them about it because they're waiting on me. I got people,
Speaker 2: they're waiting on me, and then by go talk to
Speaker 2: them about it. What I mean is I'm going to
Speaker 2: walk up to them and then follow them into the
Speaker 2: dining room. Correct, And I'm again, and you, my friend,
Speaker 2: won't do a goddamn thing about it. That's exactly what happened.
Speaker 3: So you know, uh, eight later, that's.
Speaker 1: More of a burn's cut than a Butcher's cut.
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think about that night a lot, not because
Speaker 3: the steak was so good, but because the the com
Speaker 3: and he was was incredible and we had such a
Speaker 3: good time and we laughed and we it was it
Speaker 3: was just great. And and that's uh, that's the relationship
Speaker 3: that you guys foster with your people and we are
Speaker 3: their people. Everybody listening, that's I think what will continue
Speaker 3: to find it and be responsible for for tlf's continued
Speaker 3: success and dominance. Good hearts. Unlike me, and it's been,
Speaker 3: it's been here it is again so life affirming to
Speaker 3: be a small part of what you have all created
Speaker 3: for us. And it's really important what you do, not
Speaker 3: because uh, you've helped me and my family get through
Speaker 3: what is the yeah you said it at the top,
Speaker 3: the trial of our lives thus far, but that but
Speaker 3: that it's not unlike everything else around, what it is
Speaker 3: that you do, it's not fake, right, and and that's
Speaker 3: that's a thing. That's a real fucking thing. Guys.
Speaker 1: Well toast to you, Gabe. And the bottom line here
Speaker 1: to me at least, is that we make a podcast
Speaker 1: and we tried to think about people who we'd like
Speaker 1: to share company with. Around wrestling that we talk about
Speaker 1: it all the time. We just didn't have access to
Speaker 1: in our immediate lives. We just you know, we didn't
Speaker 1: have a lot of wrestling fans around us growing up.
Speaker 1: There were some, but they were fair weather. They would
Speaker 1: never understand why we'd spend the hours we spend not
Speaker 1: only watching, but then dissecting, joking, meming, just creating these
Speaker 1: these infinite halls of mirrors, of references and this impossible
Speaker 1: to penetrate series of inside jokes and everything everything it is.
Speaker 1: And just by doing that, if after ten years it
Speaker 1: can create a vibe, for lack of a better term,
Speaker 1: that that helps you a little bit and helps others.
Speaker 1: And that's all we have to do is just be
Speaker 1: true to yeah, right, how how much goddamn fun we
Speaker 1: can have with this stuff. Then sign me up for
Speaker 1: another ten years and.
Speaker 2: Basically do what we've been doing since college. You know,
Speaker 2: on our own what it is.
Speaker 3: You're stuck with me forever. As long as you guys
Speaker 3: are even remotely public figures, you're just screwed.
Speaker 2: The point is it just blossoms. It blossoms. You don't
Speaker 2: have to just sit down and stay. We're gonna make
Speaker 2: a podcast, it's gonna mean something to people. No, you
Speaker 2: just fucking do it. I mean that's the thing too,
Speaker 2: like that that was never that was never an intention,
Speaker 2: never we sought out to do. It's like you know,
Speaker 2: I always I always think about, you know, the one
Speaker 2: email that that always has stuck in my mind and
Speaker 2: I apologize. I don't remember the gentleman's name, but the
Speaker 2: guy who got in the car accident, and you know,
Speaker 2: like that that always sticks because that was to me,
Speaker 2: that was something like I was like, holy shit, Like
Speaker 2: I never I never would have thought that number one,
Speaker 2: we would be that to somebody. And then in this case,
Speaker 2: I never would have thought that we would have had
Speaker 2: the you know, would have built a community that would
Speaker 2: be willing to help. That's right, a stranger, a stranger,
Speaker 2: Like that's fucking Christmas right there.
Speaker 3: Oh man, uh yeah, yeah, you know, next time and
Speaker 3: next time there's a big wrestling event in h south
Speaker 3: Southeast Missouri, we should all meet up and go to
Speaker 3: Lambert's gonna throw me home home with a throat rolled baby.
Speaker 3: I uh. I when I was god well before any
Speaker 3: of this bullshit, like two thousand and nine ten, I
Speaker 3: was working in Memphis, but my my ex was in Chicago.
Speaker 3: So I was driving back and forth to Memphis every
Speaker 3: two weeks, and I'd go basically right through Sykeston, uh,
Speaker 3: every two weeks. And and on that drive down, you
Speaker 3: bet your ass, I went to the Lamberts.
Speaker 1: Wow, it's great to show us the ways. Yeah, talk
Speaker 1: about the show me State, show me them fucking Airborne
Speaker 1: more like to state.
Speaker 3: We can just we can just take a three a
Speaker 3: quick three hour drive down to West Memphis too, and
Speaker 3: go see the sights.
Speaker 2: Let's go to Saint Mary's Cathedral and see if they
Speaker 2: got me Viennas and stock Well, no, I guess we
Speaker 2: already got the ball of water too. You know, I
Speaker 2: gotta tell you something. So actually today yeah, all right,
Speaker 2: so today today, you know, I I I had my
Speaker 2: my my daughter was that was in had a competition,
Speaker 2: and so I was there and I said, you know what,
Speaker 2: I was thirsty and I didn't have my water bottle.
Speaker 2: So I actually went out. I was like, I got
Speaker 2: a ball water.
Speaker 1: That's the that's the anthem for t l f x
Speaker 1: X the next ten years. Everybody in our in the
Speaker 1: sound of our voice, you go and order a water
Speaker 1: in public, You order a ball of water. It's a
Speaker 1: great idea.
Speaker 3: The ball of water conversation leads me to just one
Speaker 3: question that I'll leave you guys with. And maybe you
Speaker 3: guys are going to bound upon this elsewhere. Maybe you
Speaker 3: already have. We uh, we got the Terry Funk retrospective, right,
Speaker 3: and that was what like twenty five parts?
Speaker 2: And then I can't even answer that. Twenty five hours
Speaker 2: at least on a twenty five parts or twenty five hours, there's.
Speaker 3: A whole hell of a lot. And then we got
Speaker 3: we got SID and and I remember I remember tweets.
Speaker 3: I believe it was tweets or certainly misses from Jack
Speaker 3: going like, you know, I don't know that anybody else
Speaker 3: is going to warrant quite as much, quite as much
Speaker 3: delving into the past as Terry did. But you know,
Speaker 3: we'll see how things go. We got like at least
Speaker 3: thirty hours of SID, right, Like, have you just blocked
Speaker 3: out all of the year? Whenever Flair dies? That is
Speaker 3: going to be once a week you're gonna get six
Speaker 3: and a half hours over lair.
Speaker 1: I don't know, boss, I think we better check our
Speaker 1: short term disability leave.
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, it's funny. There was prep at
Speaker 2: one point and when he was really sick and then
Speaker 2: but it's a you know that was back then. It's
Speaker 2: a whole different fucking ball game.
Speaker 3: Now it is the whole it is. It's the whole
Speaker 3: ball game.
Speaker 2: Damn, it's the whole ball game.
Speaker 1: It's a great question, Gabe, and I've been lying if
Speaker 1: I you know, as always it's like.
Speaker 3: Wait, don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining.
Speaker 1: No, no, I don't know. Yeah no, it's always like oh,
Speaker 1: you guys, like it's taking so long, and then like
Speaker 1: you can do another one.
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, no, right, it's so Look, you know what
Speaker 3: the funny thing Blake and I were talking about the
Speaker 3: other day, like the how thorough and how deeply researched
Speaker 3: all of this ship is is so daunting that early
Speaker 3: on when we were starting this baseball thing, it was like, well,
Speaker 3: I'll do you know, I'll jump into the you know,
Speaker 3: I have a history, I can do the No, we
Speaker 3: just want we watched the baseball games and we do
Speaker 3: stupid voices that we just we can't. There's no fucking way,
Speaker 3: there's no we can't do it.
Speaker 2: Yep.
Speaker 3: It's it's unbelievable. The dedication and the sort of commitment.
Speaker 3: I think that's the word that you have to take
Speaker 3: to do something like this, and I think you guys
Speaker 3: mentioned it earlier. It's it's not about doing something that
Speaker 3: other people are going to go that shit's amazing. It's
Speaker 3: about doing shit that you guys like and like attracts
Speaker 3: like right like people. People see right through bullshit and
Speaker 3: there is no bullshit outside from all the bullshit.
Speaker 2: And that's that's t LFX. Like we told ourselves at
Speaker 2: the beginning, as we have always joked about, Boss, We're
Speaker 2: not doing this for you out there.
Speaker 1: We're doing this for us.
Speaker 2: And if you want to and if you want to
Speaker 2: come along for the ride, that's fine, but don't expect
Speaker 2: to have any role beyond that in what we decide
Speaker 2: to do. And it turns out by doing it for us,
Speaker 2: we also end up doing it for them. Damn right.
Speaker 1: It's a beautiful thing and Gage is a testament to it.
Speaker 3: Gage, It's it's a shocking thing to know. And this
Speaker 3: I think this is the first thing I ever said
Speaker 3: to you guys when I met you Jack for lunch
Speaker 3: in Boston. Oh yeah, cream clam chowder. Uh at what
Speaker 3: was the name of the Ale House Union Oyster House Union,
Speaker 3: Oyster House. We got we got clam showder I told
Speaker 3: you right then and there. The reason that this means
Speaker 3: so much to me and I want it is because
Speaker 3: you and Jack, you and JP are me and my
Speaker 3: best friend from high school, my wrestling friend from high school.
Speaker 3: We talk to each other the exact same way we
Speaker 3: know each other. It's it's just, you know, we aren't
Speaker 3: as different as we like to believe. We are us
Speaker 3: University and and that's how you guys, And I'm I'm
Speaker 3: just really really, I'm really fucking thankful for you, guys.
Speaker 1: Let's get it. Well, we're thankful for you. That's what
Speaker 1: That's what it's about. We're all lapsed. That's all it is.
Speaker 1: It is and long made continue. Happy New Year, Gay,
Speaker 1: We're very glad that twenty twenty five will have you
Speaker 1: in it.
Speaker 3: Let all the acquaintance be forgotten. Bitches A city.
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