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Speaker 1: Mister fake entertainment too. Rights, I'm so glad you guys

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brought up disability. Guys like Sid holland Nash specifically has

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always been given off a vibe of seeking the relief

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of not working. They are of a certain vintage that

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were sons and grandsons of the generation that returned from

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the war and worked someplace for thirty years. Guys with

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crooked fingers, busted backs, who walked into the retirement sunset

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with a gold watch and a handshake, then dying three

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years later in the recliner on a golf course, forced

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to sit at home, receiving a check in early retirement

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with nothing but time. Feels like such a dream scenario

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for these blue collar bounce around guys of the eighties

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and nineties. I had not thought of that as not

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wanting to work in exchange for money, as not a

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wrestler carningy thing, but just a product of the eighties

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and nineties who saw your parents and grandparents have no

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fruitful retirement years.

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Speaker 2: Interesting, and it gets.

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Speaker 1: In your head and you try to have retirement years

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while you're actively working, essentially, which some of these guys

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were able to pull off. Very interesting. Philip wants no

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question for Jack. In those periods when Sid was wrestling

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away from WWE, did Bo Justice become bow Vicious? No,

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he did not. He was absolutely always Bo Justice. But

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because I had the Sid Vicious galub and he was

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a totally separate wrestler, he had nothing to do with

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the other Sids, and that was Sid Vicious. So there's

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your answer. Chris has an interesting theory, he says on

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the Sid Tribute show, you mentioned how by the time

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the Jacks figures came out, Diesel and Razor were long

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gone from the company. I don't know if you were

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aware of this, but remember in Spider Man the animated series,

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how hob Goblin was featured before Green Goblin and was

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so prominent despite not really being a huge deal in

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the comics. Apparently toy Biz mistakenly made way more Hobgoblin

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figures than anyone else, so they decided to feature Hobgoblin

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more prominently than they normally would have so kids would

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buy the toy So it made me remember that. Actually,

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I remember Hobgoblin being way pushed to the forefront of

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that show in a way that didn't make any sense.

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introduced the fake diesel and racer. Maybe Jacks was pissed

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to find out their big new action figureline feature two

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guys in the first way.

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Speaker 2: Oh wow, who.

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Speaker 1: Weren't even on their show anymore. Some toy exact probably

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didn't watch wrestling and didn't understand why you couldn't switch

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them out like other actors. I'm not saying this is true,

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but it's something to think about.

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Speaker 2: So, yeah, I just don't think they'd have would they

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have that kind of pull over the company, they being

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the toy manufacturer, the toy manufacturers, I mean, the company

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was that they were just brand new that they came

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out in ninety six, the Jacks Ones, So would they

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have had It's not like they'd been like long, you know,

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like long time associates.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: See, I would almost put the pressure the other way.

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I would think WWF would be worried about looking stupid

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to them. Then Jack's coming to them and complaining per

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se and getting anything changed. I would think it would

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be more likely that WWF would try to get cute

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and like try to avoid a discussion about having toys

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on the shelf of guys who didn't work there. Anymore

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just by coming up with fire.

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Speaker 2: I mean, but I would also say, you know, we're

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making money off these guys, so yeah, who can you know?

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Speaker 4: That?

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Speaker 2: To me is always the Vince rationale exactly.

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Speaker 1: And I think, and I think what Chris is getting

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at is maybe Jacks would actually accept, knowing nothing about wrestling,

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that it's actually perfectly acceptable to just call somebody else

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Razor and Diesel. Yeah, the fans wouldn't care about the

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person under the costume. It's really interesting. He also says, ps,

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the CID Hasbro has the same body slam as the

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first Hogan Hasbro, but it's labeled power bomb on the package.

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but it's obviously meant to be a body slam. Yeah,

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that's interesting, the same move, but you just give it

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a different name.

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Speaker 2: Gorg Yeah, I know, I mean that was like one

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not before I wanted more common moves. The the press

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slam certainly was that a lot of those guys had.

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Speaker 1: Gordon was also inspired to write on the Bow Justice Front.

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He writes, as a kid, my friend Dan had two

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l J and Piper figures, and his fig fed the

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main figure was naturally rowdy roddy Piper, but the other

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was his twin brother, a jobber, ripping ritty by er.

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Speaker 1: He also had two Awa Rick Flairs. Wow, one was fine,

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but the other one had a face that was accidentally

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burnt on a radiator. He was dubbed. Yeah, you had

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to say it, I have to say it retarded Ron Flair.

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funny enough. But yeah, Rick sometimes manager and an occasional jobber.

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Speaker 1: Something like he's still when he's workshopping names and asking

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Dusty for permission when.

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Speaker 2: He's first breaking in right right.

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Speaker 1: Steve wants you to know, Boss, that Pierce being Bond

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was a massive deal in Ireland. All I bet, I

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bet it was. The country, he writes, was in the

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middle of a massive boom. So in Irish Bond was

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the icing on the cake. Until I left school in

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twenty eleven, our Irish language textbooks would have a celebrity

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profile on a famous Irish person, and it was almost

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always peer and for Boss and I'm gonna mispronounce it

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drug hada d r o g h g d a

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is pronounced Oh, he does it for me, okay, because

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he's doing it to connect pronunciation, it's pronounced draw hada.

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I guess that's something he read during the course of

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Speaker 2: Oh made it. Probably I read. I did read a

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bunch kick because when when we talked about Pierce and

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we did his kind of early years in bio, we

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probably a bunch of Irish names that I had no

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idea what the fuck they were, right.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, that's that kind of thing's gonna happen. William writes,

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I imagine Sid dispensing Vienna's with his softball bat, much

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like a little league coach during practice. Oh my god,

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big boys sausage on the two hot. I want to

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see you dig.

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Speaker 2: Oh I I I believe that I could see that.

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Speaker 1: And he also brings the uh the Arkansas Intel. Vienna

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sausages come forty eight cans to a case. It's usually

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two layers of twenty four cans, separated by a thin

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layer of cardboard and sealed and plastic. I would say

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that it measures about ten by twenty one hundred and

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fifty thousand cans makes four three twenty five cases. I

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tall palletts. Can you imagine Sid's garage? Oh god, it

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hits the automatic door button from his head when he

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comes home again, you know, expecting to be able to

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use the garage. Oh and Frank has not donning his part.

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and it's all just a wall of sausage.

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Speaker 1: And there's always a few dented cans that leak the

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gelatinous liquid. The smell that comes out of the garage

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and a hot Arkansas summer day is enough to kill

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one of Bischoff's prized elk. God damn Frank. Else it

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says softball is huge in Arkansas, with no pro sports

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teams except for the minor league baseball team, so college

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sports are huge, and the men's baseball team and women's

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softball team are highly revered. For what it's worth to

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probably work rice fields is that's one of the few

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crops that grows well. Very interesting. A lot of Arkansas

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and town from William, which we appreciate. But yeah, apparently softball,

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you know, it doesn't hit the same way in Arkansas

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as it does to some other places that are like

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he played softball? Like, what the fuck is that? Apparently

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it was a respected thing.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure, I'm sure I would imagine that it wasn't.

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Speaker 1: Right on our Buried a live episode, Blake has this

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to say about who I can only assume is Jerry Lawler.

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I bet Jerry just jerked off into his underwear and

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goes to sleep. He then he pisses on the wall

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at three am because half his dick hole is covered

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in dried comh.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, he totally yeah, because remember so he goes to

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bed naked, so it's like all over the fucking bedspreads.

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Speaker 1: It's his time of year, bossy. Oh, I think he

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had another fruitful Christmas season.

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Speaker 2: An I'm I am sure that he was thrilled. I'm

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sure he and I'm sure he did nothing but enjoy

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waking up Christmas morning to all the Santa Claus gifts

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that he gave himself, like going through his stocking as

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if he doesn't know what he's getting.

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Speaker 1: The sound of like him pushing something around inside his

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stocking to get to the something lower.

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Speaker 2: Yep, yep, all by himself. He gave himself these gifts.

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Speaker 1: He's taking selfies in the Ralphie pink bunny costume.

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Speaker 2: Yep, yep. And then then all of a sudden, then

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making himself a nice Christmas morning breakfast. Nothing wrong with

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us at all, this is this is incredibly acceptable. Uh

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Speaker 1: Oh, we're gonna miss him when he's gone. I know

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the jammies he wears. Oh, just like the softness touching his.

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Speaker 2: The weird like innocent attempts at overhead selfies'.

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Speaker 1: Jared Lawler has a weird innocence. That's awesome, that's true.

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Speaker 2: And that's what he does. Like he does these like weird,

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little fucking innocent selfies. Like such a problem.

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Speaker 1: You're in your you live next to him. You don't

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know him that well, but your kitchen window, your kitchen

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window look up looks into his backyard and you're like

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washing a dish and Christmas morning and you look up

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and he's standing in his yard in the Ralfie suit

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just looking at you, not moving.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, he's looking like right at your face, like.

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Speaker 1: Contact expressionless face expression, you know.

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Speaker 2: And you're like okay, you know. And you go down

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and you start unloading some dishes from the dishwasher. You

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come back up at the window and he's ten feet closer.

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Run that one through rock. Oh my god, that's funny,

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like absolutely impossible for him to make that distance in

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Speaker 1: Oh, I just got silly. It's good light. Here we go.

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So you look up. He's ten feet closer. You duck down.

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You look up. He's ten feet closer. You duck down.

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up to the window. Now you duck down. You look up.

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He's nowhere to be found. You look up. He's on

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're duck down. You look up.

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Speaker 1: He's halfway across the roof. You keep going. He keeps

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Speaker 2: He's in the air. He's just like the air.

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Speaker 5: He's floating, just floating. He's not that's the twist. He's

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not coming to get you at all. He's looking past you.

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You know, he's just like a wind up doll.

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Speaker 1: Oh God, goddamn funny at Lawler.

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Speaker 2: Such a creep hockey night.

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Speaker 1: CTE rights. I hope we get a lot of lap Sid.

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me of Daffy in the old duck Ammic cartoon. He

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recognizes that the business he's in is fake nonsense, but

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isn't quite self aware enough to pick up that he's

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as fake as the rest of it. Yep, be very

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true of Sid. Let's see, Adam writes to us. Scenario

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Sid stands at the pearly gates and the great hereafter

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all he has to do to enter paradise is to

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cut a live promo without fucking up. Now, armed with

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more than half a brain and vivid images of playing

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softball racing through his mind, Boss, can he do it?

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Speaker 2: Yes?

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Speaker 1: You can do it?

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Speaker 2: Yes now?

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Speaker 1: Clarkson writes, I would imagine that most of the Solar

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system says, in one way or another, brother to themselves

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as a way to add to the fun of listening

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to any of the shows. However, this podcasting entertainment vehicle

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is so far up my ass that when I dropped

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something in the kitchen a couple of days ago, I

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said brother out loud to myself, as one might use

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damn or shit. I was not listening to the show

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at the time, nor was I thinking about it or

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anything involving wrestling. It was thinking, for me, we have

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reached full integration. Brother. Yes, Oh I can attest to that.

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I say brother all day. Yeah, when anything even mildly

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unexpected happens, I say it.

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Speaker 2: So I've started doing it too.

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Speaker 1: I say it like I'm listening to MPR, Like someone

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says something on the radio and I'm like, brother, I

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just I just want to it's boring, So I just

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want to make it seem like what the person and

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just said is somehow objectionable or suspicious.

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Speaker 2: I forget I did it, you know, I did it

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in the presence of people recently. Oh yeah, oh yeah, man,

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like it was just a I forget what happened. There

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was someone's like a brother, and it's like, you know,

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I'm like, oh wait, this person doesn't don't know what

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I'm You don't know what I'm talking, no idea why

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I just made that noise. You don't know why I

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would say that word at that time for any reason

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at all.

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Speaker 1: Two of us. Oh God, Ken has a good one,

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he says, Uh co chairs, Sid stinks, never was a draw.

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This tribute should be great. But if anyone had to

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work with someone like Sid, he'd be the co worker

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you hate the most.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that one loves him apparently, but I imagine he's

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he was not easy to be around.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, he's he's he's he's kind of a pain in

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the ass, the salt of the earth. He knows how

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to ye, he knows how to keep people in his

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good graces, but the second you get in the way

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of his convenience, you're fucked. Like he doesn't care about

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you anymore. But you can be useful to him. You know.

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That's different than right, him being a nice guy.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: This is from Meyer Mania the Homie Sean Let's hit

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It Boss.

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Speaker 2: In early nineteen ninety nine, between his stintson WW ANDWCW,

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I had the privilege of seeing Sid in Quincy, Illinois.

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Harley Race had just started World League Wrestling the WLW,

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a nice little indie outfit in the Midwest that still

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exists around Saint Louis. To hype his TV taping at

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the Quincy High Gym. He booked the Master and Ruler

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of the World. This was my first pro wrestling show.

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I was in seventh grade from a town of roughly

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one hundred people and going to Quincy, population forty thousand

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was the big city to a kid like me. My

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dad was one of the few lapsed dads that knew

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it used to be better, but still watched the product

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and didn't shame me for doing the same. That night,

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Sid drew probably a few hundred to the gym, not

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a big crowd, but a decent amount for a town.

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his last ventures in the business before he passed, so

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I got to see him Man Harley, though admittedly I

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had no idea I was in the presence of Bumpman

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and the pimp king of the cad at the time. Also,

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Trevor Murdoch was on the card, who was and probably

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still is the highest profile wrestler to be developed out

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of Hardley's territory. Sid squashed whoever. He was such a

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giant beast compared to the others on the card, But

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the absolute highlight was before he finished off the jobber.

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He gave that snappy Sid look to the crowd. Our

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eyes met. I yelled power bomb as loud as I could.

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Sid's eyes grew wide, and he asked power bomb yes,

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to which I nodded and pumped my fists as this

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poor bastard jobber took probably the biggest ride of his career.

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I'll never forget it, and to this day, my dad

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will still bring it up from time to time. I've

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been to several w W and AW shows since, from

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Wrestlmingia twenty two to All Out, but I'll always remember

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my dad taking me and my sister out to eat

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at Steak and Shake, going to buy WW the Music

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Volume three at Walmart, and heading over to Quinsey High

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for my first live journey into the sport of king. Yes,

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all the best from one of year ogs.

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Speaker 1: Who is it?

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Speaker 2: Oh, Sean? Oh?

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Speaker 1: I thought you cut out for a second. Oh no, Well,

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there's absolutely great stuff, Anthony writes to your co chairs.

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I liked at the time to memorialize it of that

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fucking cast to help do that. Sid isn't a guy

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that comes to mind when you think about your wrestling

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with Aunt Rushmore or even your top twenty favorite wrestlers

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of all time. But he had something very rare, and

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that's believability. His intensity was attention grabbing and an intangible

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that helps you suspend your disbelief while watching wrestling, And

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for that in his star power, I consider him underrated nowadays.

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I quickly familiarized myself with them in nineteen ninety two

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when I started watching wrestling weekly. Kind Of hard to

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believe nowadays, but back then I only knew of him

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thanks to VHS rentals at blockbustered my local mom and

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pop video stores. I can think of three major pay

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per views I would run over and over again, WWF

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SummerSlam nineteen ninety one, Hey now our first episode, Royal

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ronint ninety two, and wrestle Mania eight. Absolutely, that's a

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holy trinity right there. Three shows that sid played a

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huge role in his heel on Hogan. He'll turn on

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Hogan was excellent, Perhaps the final feud of a babyface

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Hogan that mattered his barbershop interview hyping WrestleMania eight was legendary.

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Who else could bought a chair shot, get baby powder

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all over their face, take that and look like a

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psycho killer and have it improved the segment. Only Sid

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could do that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly.

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Speaker 1: My favorite memory of Sid and when I always treasure,

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was attending the nineteen ninety six Survivor series as an

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eight year old. Wow, I'd imagine my excitement as my

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parents told me the day of the show that we

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were going to go. I still remember that train ride

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to Madith the Square Garden, checking all the wrestling magazines

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of the new stand in Time Square, seeing people were

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encroasting makeup in the garden, which made me feel uneasy

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as I was a huge WWF fan. The garden wasn't

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sold out, but it was. That's wild because that was

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you know, that was still a fresh thing, just like

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a month old at that point. Yeah, that's a good point.

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The garden wasn't sold out, but it was rocking. As

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young as I was, I went with the momentum of

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the crowd that night. I didn't boo brat Hart, but

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I did cheer Steve Austin too. I was swayed in

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a cheering Sid to win the title that night as

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he defeated my then favorite Seawn Michaels in the main event.

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Can you imagine that showed up to an eight year

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old and deciding to boo Shawn Michaels even though you

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love the guy.

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Speaker 2: Because that's yep. I mean, hey, you know what, I'll

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tell you what. I had a similar experience the opposite

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way the year prior when I went to that Worcester

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in High Gear Tour show and I go there expecting

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the bou Shawn Michaels, and everyone's cheering for him, and

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I'm like, well, I guess I better cheer for Shawn Michaels.

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Speaker 1: It was an electric night and something I never experienced before.

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I never saw the top face get turned on in

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my fandom. SidD the power to do that here in

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New York, first against hulccan at ninety two Rumble and

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again against Don Michael's. I will choose to remember the nights,

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the highs rather of Sid's career and how fun it

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was to be a fen during his ninety one ninety

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two run and the fall of ninety six, where the

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seeds of the Attitude era were planted. As always, thanks

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for the cast, guys, I've been a loyal listener for

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years and years now. I look forward to the lapse

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treatment in a RAAR review of a raw during a

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great time period. I will finish up my email bass

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and the coachairs. What is your favorite Sid figures? Glube

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Hasbro or Jacks? Oh my god, it's not even close,

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Globe even close.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, just just for the fact that he's he's got

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those those giant fists, you know, and he can do

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the he can do the club into the back.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, perfect, yep, And it just it just it's the

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only figure that actually looks like Sid, right, it resembles him.

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The hair works in the back, the musculature is right,

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he's a little taller than the other figures. It's great.

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And he's got the sing lead on which was to

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cover the stab, the the the surgery scar from the

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broken ribs. As we found out, Blake, the Master, who

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would ever say the Jacks Sid is their favorite? Why

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even't put that on there? Honestly, that thing was a nightmare.

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Speaker 2: I mean it looked so weird.

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Speaker 1: Toy sucked.

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Speaker 2: I mean his face was horrible, horrible. His eyes were

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just like white dots. Yeah, and they were like wide eyed, like.

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It looked very weird.

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Speaker 1: Blake writes, the Master and Ruler, it feels like a

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darker place without Sid. I know he didn't give a fuck,

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and that's why we love him. We admire his business

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view of this Carney circus that has ruined our one

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chance on this rock we call earth. I think that's

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the intangible that he had that people couldn't put their

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finger on. Everyone wants to not give a fuck, and

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no one knows how except Sid. The man left a

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big money to play softball in Arkansas. Man, there's no

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more giving not a fuck than calling Arkansas home, which

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leads me to my personal Sid anecdote. And like everything

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in this lapsed life, it's bullshit, but it's real bullshit.

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For all my life, I've had a family in Memphis,

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brother Lawla Coca Cola Middle Schools hoof anyway to get

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to Memphis from the West, one must first drive through

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West Memphis, Arkansaw, which anyone worth their salt knows this

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is where the Master and the rule of the world

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hails from. So every year, for probably thirty years, when

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I would drive down there, I would have my head

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on a swivel in West Memphis looking for large Cadillacs

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or town cars driven by a curly headed monster. It

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never happened, and I guess it never will now. I

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do have faith. One day, though, something will happen on

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that drive, and when it does, I'll say, can we

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do that again? Then my wife will look at me

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with a dead eye and crooked mouth and drool while

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she says we're live, pal which I'll say, it's fine,

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yest in Peace, Power and pussy Master, lapsed locker room

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lad Brother, Blake, Josh Geert, thank you very much for

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bumping up that pledge. We love it. Zack has a

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very provocative question. It's just one line, boss, Imagine working

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at a shooting range?

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Speaker 2: Is that it? Yep? Imagine working in a shooting range.

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I mean Bend was shooting range before?

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Speaker 1: About it?

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Speaker 2: Okay, working work?

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Speaker 1: Get your ask. Yeah, you can't go out there having

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fake fights at the shooting range. Okay. I think that's

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where Tony van Silva was a shooting range and I

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think so too. Okay. A tool Belt for Daddy has

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an interesting take on our premium live event live calls

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on Patreon. He says, the tag the co chairman used

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is we watch you don't have to, But the truth

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is I watch so I can also listen to the

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live call.

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Speaker 2: There we go.

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Speaker 1: The reason people watch modern WWE how weird is that?

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That's I'm sorry, Roshan Patel, thank you very much for

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your pledge. Welcome into the inner circle. Triple Biz writes.

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Vince sleeps in one of those water tanks from Empire

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strikes back.

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Speaker 2: Oh yes, yes he does.

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Speaker 1: He does.

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Speaker 2: With a fucking you know, with a mouthpiece, you know,

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like a face mask. There, Yes, he's and then when

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he's uh yeah, when he wakes up, he floats up

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to the top.

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Speaker 1: Twenty twenty four was a year of pulling random shows

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for the entirety of our you know, actual formal show

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coverage on the main field, and that men ECW and

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that men Living Dangerously and that meant that Roberta decided

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that it's time to write this email about a night

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that Roberta spent in the midst in two thousand.

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Speaker 2: Greeting as coach chairman, just writing in to share some

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bleak memories that your ECW Living Dangerously episode dislodged about

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one of the longest, dumbest nights of my life. This

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period was the peak of my contrarianism infected wrestling fandom.

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I was laid to the dirt sheets wrestling Internet, but

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when I discovered it I became one of those kinds

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of fans. Everyone listening knows what I mean. So I

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got into ECW way more, which led me to July

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twenty first, two thousand, when I attended my one and

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only ECW event, when myself and four other teenage losers

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packed into a tiny car and drove two hours to

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the mediocre city of Decatur, Illinois for a house show

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attended by eight hundred other lost souls. We had no

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idea this was a dying promotion at the time, but

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I invite you to take in this card. Bill Wiles

488
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defeated Julio Fantastico means nothing to me. FBI defeated Christian

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York and Joey Matthews means nothing to me. Willie Frasier

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defeated Red Dog means nothing. Yes, Chris Chetty and Nova

491
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defeated Easy Money and Chris Hammrick. I remember, I know

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the names Chris Chetty and Nova. S W. Champ Just

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Incredible defeated Kid Cash. I know, I think I know

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Kid Cash. I know Just Incredible. Tommy Drina Dreamer, Danny

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Doring and Amish Roadkill defeated Simon Diamond, Just Johnny Swinger

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and c w Anderson, Sandman Into Jerry defeated Scottie Anton

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and Rhino Rob Van Dam defeated Steve Corino. Some highlights.

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Seeing RVD that close that closely was still was, and

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still remains one of my all time live wrestling highlights.

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And now the in retrospect low lights. Yes, teenage me

501
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was way too excited to see France scene then managing

502
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just incredible in person. The crowd loved Sandman's entrance. One

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of the dirt bags in my group sprinted over to

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where Sandman came out into the crowd to get some

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cheap beer poured on his face. As a proud daygo,

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I bought an f the eyeshirt we chanted absolutely appealing,

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appalling things rather all night that I'd rather not repeat.

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And here's where it really goes off the rails. The

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wrestlers were signing autographs and hanging out after the show

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at their hotel. For some reason, I have a red

511
00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:21,920
roof Inn burned in my head. RVD smartly was nowhere

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to be seen. Many of the wrestlers there were already

513
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absolutely Shitthouse, especially Sandman. I didn't drink and was pretty sheltered,

514
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so this site was pretty eye opening and sad to me.

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I got autographs all over the sleeve of my ECW

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Extreme music album. One friend stole a folding chair to

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get autographed. No wrestlers wanted to talk. They looked miss.

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Speaker 1: Awesome.

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Speaker 2: A man with a mustache, glasses, jean shorts, and black

520
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graphic shirt danced alone on a dance floor to DMX's

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party up. I can't shake this one. This is where

522
00:27:06,759 --> 00:27:11,079
I really started to rethink my fandom. The oldest member

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of our group was fixated on getting a picture with

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Justin Credible. He kept blowing us off but telling us

525
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to stick around, so we had to stick around. I

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called my mom more than once to let her know

527
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my arrival. ETA was getting later and later, tired and

528
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annoyed at my friends. My ECW fandom was dying by

529
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the minute. At two am, Just Incredible by then so

530
00:27:35,799 --> 00:27:39,759
drunk and high he was on another planet, agreed to

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take a picture our group of five. Justin Francine, Sally Graziano,

532
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Huge in person, and a few ring rats walked down

533
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this hotel hallway and into a parking lot, where he

534
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took a pick with us. I wish I had a

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copy to share, but I remember him basically hanging off

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of us.

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Speaker 1: No.

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Speaker 2: About ten minutes from home at four am, We've got

539
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pulled over. We were definitely out way past local curfew laws.

540
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We show the police our autographs to back up our story.

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I wish I knew what was going through their heads. Mercifully,

542
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my mom was too relieved I wasn't dead to be

543
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mad at me when I walked in. About seven hours later,

544
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two guys in the group came over to ask if

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I wanted to go with them to Peoria for that

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night's ECWTV taping. My mom laughed in their faces and

547
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told them to take yes. While she wouldn't have allowed it,

548
00:28:40,519 --> 00:28:42,720
I didn't want to go anyway, so she saved me

549
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from having to say no. This night pretty much murdered

550
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my interest in ECW. Boss, I want you to feel

551
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vindicated about your feelings towards this promotion.

552
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Speaker 1: That that's as east W as memories of guests right there, man, yep,

553
00:28:58,640 --> 00:29:02,559
and a huge miss huge, a missed opportunity. Uh you

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know when the Misfits and Action were created in w

555
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CW by Vince Russo, famously, Hugh Morris was renamed Hugh

556
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g Erection. Remember that, Yes, I would suggest in the email,

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or maybe think of it. Hugh Gin person might be.

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Speaker 2: I mean good for for Gracian Yeah.

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Speaker 1: H h g h middle named g I N last

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00:29:28,160 --> 00:29:31,599
name person. Yeah, yeah it works. That does sound like

561
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such a great atmosphere of Boston. Are you so mad

562
00:29:33,440 --> 00:29:34,799
you missed all those ECW shows?

563
00:29:34,839 --> 00:29:38,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm so. I imagine that the arena smelled like

564
00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:43,119
piss and shit, uh and and peppers and onions. Sure,

565
00:29:43,640 --> 00:29:48,200
so I'm good. I'm good never having experienced that, never

566
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wanting to, never desiring it, never needing it.

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Speaker 1: Well, A tool belt for Daddy has Living Dangerously memories

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00:29:57,519 --> 00:29:59,680
as well. Greetings co chairs.

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Speaker 2: Listening to.

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Speaker 1: Listening to the Living Dangerously two thousand rundown reminded me

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of the first ECW event that came through the Saint

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Louis area, which I attended April sixteen of that year,

573
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a mere week after Awesome debuted Mike Austin and WCW

574
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in two days after dropping the belt to Taz. While

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labeled as Russell Palooza two thousand, it was essentially just

576
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a TV taping and if memory serves, was more of

577
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an Angle Palooza. But I digress Taz was not on

578
00:30:23,440 --> 00:30:23,759
the show.

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Speaker 2: The Angle Pull.

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Speaker 1: Day prior was a fan fest that we attended.

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Speaker 2: Sounds like a Curt Angle special.

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Speaker 1: I kind of like that, like just to a show

583
00:30:31,759 --> 00:30:34,839
that's only angles. Yeah, Angle Pollute.

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Speaker 2: It's called a Vince Russo book.

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Speaker 1: I know exactly, I've seen it before. The day prior

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there was a fan fast that we attended. We bought

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posters that we got autographed by a dozen or so

588
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of the guys in true CW fashion. The poster was

589
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left over from an April seventh event in Warren, Ohio,

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and still featured Mike Awesome as schedule to appear. On

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00:30:51,079 --> 00:30:54,759
my poster, Sally crossed out Mike Ausam's name, prompting Mikey

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to change the phrasing to read Mikey is Awesome. Sal

593
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:04,759
also wrote dl z nick with an arrow to Mike's

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name on my Buddies poster, the word which I now

595
00:31:06,839 --> 00:31:09,759
understand to simply be Dick and Carney. Oh I see

596
00:31:09,799 --> 00:31:14,839
dizz brother Dyl's nick became at the time a mystery

597
00:31:14,839 --> 00:31:16,599
that had to be unraveled. Sale told us to ask

598
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:18,720
Joey what it meant. Joey played dumb, as did Fran

599
00:31:18,839 --> 00:31:20,960
scene so as the twenty year old idiots we were.

600
00:31:21,000 --> 00:31:24,039
We wrote DL's nick on eight pieces of poster board

601
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and took it to the show the next night, chanting it.

602
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When the FBI came out, Sal saw us, shook his

603
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head and laughed. Fast forward a month and much of

604
00:31:32,039 --> 00:31:35,079
the same group are attending hardcore Heaven and Milwaukee, another

605
00:31:35,119 --> 00:31:36,720
show I can't wait to come out of the hopper

606
00:31:36,759 --> 00:31:40,000
thanks to more Rhino and Lori Fullington Shenanigans. I believe

607
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,440
the FBI were in the opening match, which normally gets

608
00:31:42,440 --> 00:31:45,079
our Dil's nick chant on the pay per view audio

609
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along with Sal's these fucking guys again reaction to it,

610
00:31:50,640 --> 00:31:53,000
but it also features a brief power outage thanks to

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the Wien concert taking place in the same building at

612
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the same time. All told, we probably attended a half

613
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:00,559
dozen shows over the year two thousand and then. While

614
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the shows weren't necessarily great, the memories are. And I'll

615
00:32:03,599 --> 00:32:07,039
always have a soft spot for Sal's fat ass, and

616
00:32:07,079 --> 00:32:08,759
he attaches a picture of.

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Speaker 2: He's also got soft spots in his fat ass as well.

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Speaker 1: Yes, man, Yeah, that was it. That was an era, man,

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That was the time to be an ECW fan, That's

620
00:32:16,200 --> 00:32:21,160
for sure. That's a unique one, so thanks very much

621
00:32:21,519 --> 00:32:24,000
for those. That's of course, part of our Living Dangerously

622
00:32:24,039 --> 00:32:27,759
two thousand coverage, which is Mike Awesome leaving the company

623
00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,759
and the details on his contract coming to WCW and

624
00:32:30,759 --> 00:32:33,200
all that and his last pay per view appearance as

625
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:38,240
a ECW champion. Teddy says Jack calling the match while

626
00:32:38,279 --> 00:32:40,839
the Boss falls asleep is still infinitely more entertaining than

627
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:46,039
any other wrestling podcasts, So uh, lick her up in

628
00:32:46,079 --> 00:32:49,839
the new year, Boss, that's the suggestion, and says I'll

629
00:32:49,880 --> 00:32:51,799
bet Hogan still wakes up in a cold sweat, knowing

630
00:32:51,799 --> 00:32:54,480
he never got his win back against Yokozuna before he died.

631
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,559
Surely he tries to go back to sleep by convincing

632
00:32:57,599 --> 00:32:59,880
himself it's okay because he won their first match, but

633
00:33:00,160 --> 00:33:02,680
surely up all night and probably wakes Fish Off up

634
00:33:02,680 --> 00:33:04,720
in Wyoming to yell at him for never signing a

635
00:33:04,759 --> 00:33:09,119
nine hundred pound yokes at the very end. Yeah, BJ Lalande,

636
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thank you for opping that pledge. We appreciate it very much.

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Speaker 4: The laps Fan wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that knows

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the boys need their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan.

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Speaker 6: Just because we posted a new episode of the Lapsed

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Fan doesn't mean we are done with the campaign to

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take what is rightfully ours. If you haven't yet, vote

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for the Lapsed Fan to win the award for Wrestling

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Podcast of the Year, click on this show's notes, follow

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Speaker 4: He's a Lapsed Fan wrestling podcast with Jack n Seo

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m JP.

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00:34:05,160 --> 00:34:08,880
Speaker 1: Sorrow Blake wants us to know that Jr's heel persona

648
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was amazing. We talked about it and Unburied Alive nineteen

649
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ninety six. He doesn't think it was good because he

650
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doesn't understand who he really is.

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Speaker 2: Oh shit, yes, that's exactly.

652
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Speaker 1: Joe writes, happy follow the JP. This is obviously we're

653
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going back a bit since officially past Labor Day. I've

654
00:34:24,440 --> 00:34:25,880
been going back and forth on what to write you

655
00:34:25,920 --> 00:34:28,360
guys for about a month. Still can't decide because there

656
00:34:28,400 --> 00:34:30,639
is just too much. Long story short. I came upon

657
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the podcast in the most lapsed way. I just downloaded

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all your old episodes from the way back machine and

659
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loaded up a new MP three player. I immediately joined Patreon,

660
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because pay for what you support. That's the key. Joe,

661
00:34:41,960 --> 00:34:46,039
let's fucking go. Let's like the way longer email to come.

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Speaker 2: And you will be rewarded.

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Speaker 1: And that's the thing. It's all you get nothing out

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of it. Have wrestling gifts. Longtime supporter. Great to see

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Pa again. Thanks for the support, man, Frank from Askogie.

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We appreciate the cake. We appreciate all that you do,

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Ryan writes. During this Jack and JP joked about having

668
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Summer Slam in February, which sounds absurd.

669
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Speaker 2: But I'm surprised they don't.

670
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Speaker 1: Honest man, he points out, if it would occurs somewhere

671
00:35:08,239 --> 00:35:10,639
in the southern Hemisphere, like Australia, then it could accurately

672
00:35:10,639 --> 00:35:12,079
be called Summer Slam because.

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Speaker 2: They could be Yeah, you know, you could have Summer Slam,

674
00:35:14,119 --> 00:35:18,280
you know, anywhere, honestly, Yeah, anywhere below the equator. Summer

675
00:35:18,280 --> 00:35:20,920
Slam could happen in the winter, and should happen in

676
00:35:20,960 --> 00:35:25,119
the winter, that right, you think? So, yeah, our winter, Yeah,

677
00:35:25,159 --> 00:35:28,000
would have to. I tell you it's what it's actually

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00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:29,639
a dream of mine. I want to go down to.

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Speaker 3: That.

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Speaker 2: There's a there's a city at the southernmost tip of

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South America called Ushuaia, and they have a massive winter

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Solstice party, like an event celebration, but it's their winter Solstice,

683
00:35:49,239 --> 00:35:53,039
so it's June. Wow, so I want to go in June.

684
00:35:53,599 --> 00:35:56,519
Like I was like, you know, I've I've experienced winter

685
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where it's warm, but I've never experienced my summer when

686
00:35:59,880 --> 00:36:02,559
it's cold, and I want to do that.

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Speaker 1: I've never even heard of that. That's crazy.

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00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:12,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, I had I did a thing for uh when

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my kid was in like kindergarten. They had us put

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on a you know, they had us put on a

691
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show for them, Like they said, can you you know,

692
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they want us to arrange a holiday like a non

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denominational holiday party, a holiday show with the kids and stuff.

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And I was like, all right, well when we go

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hard on this and like pick a bunch of different

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like random right, you know, winter celebrations. And then I

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found I like, well, wait a minute, you know, not

698
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everybody celebrates winter when we do. There's a whole half

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of the world that we kind of ignore, you know,

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that we don't ever really consider that they celebrate, you know,

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winter during our summer, like they deserve to have some recognition.

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And so I found out I found out this this

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this city down in South America, like honestly, like you can't.

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I think it's the southernmost tip of the world.

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Speaker 1: Wow, I've never heard of this in my whole life.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, it's wild. I want to go. I want

707
00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:17,719
to go, although the thought of the plane ride does

708
00:37:18,079 --> 00:37:19,920
fucking turn me completely off.

709
00:37:19,960 --> 00:37:22,039
Speaker 1: But oh, what's the total what's the total damage on that?

710
00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:26,360
Speaker 2: I have no idea. I did look it up one time,

711
00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:28,079
but I haven't done it in a while. It's it's

712
00:37:28,119 --> 00:37:33,000
in Argentina and it's like way way way down. Yeah,

713
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:37,760
and uh, I would love yet, I'd love I would

714
00:37:37,840 --> 00:37:41,280
love to go. And I think I think I think

715
00:37:41,480 --> 00:37:45,360
you can even take I don't maybe I maybe I

716
00:37:45,119 --> 00:37:47,719
I imagine this or not. I don't know, but I

717
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:52,039
think you can take like I don't know, like it's

718
00:37:52,079 --> 00:37:55,840
close enough to Antarctica, like you can take you know,

719
00:37:56,039 --> 00:38:00,159
like uh, maybe helicopter trips Antarctica. I don't remember if

720
00:38:00,159 --> 00:38:01,519
that was actually the case or not, if I just

721
00:38:01,519 --> 00:38:07,000
made that up. But yeah, oh no, it's a here,

722
00:38:07,079 --> 00:38:08,880
it's a well, it's it's still a ways. I guess

723
00:38:08,920 --> 00:38:12,480
it's six hundred and eighty miles from the Antarctic peninsula. Wow.

724
00:38:13,800 --> 00:38:16,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, that must be a multi multi hop journey.

725
00:38:17,719 --> 00:38:20,079
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I would imagine. So I mean it's way way.

726
00:38:19,880 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 1: Down multiple forms of transit there.

727
00:38:23,039 --> 00:38:29,000
Speaker 2: I imagine that that Apple Maps would not have a

728
00:38:29,000 --> 00:38:35,039
an easy an easy route maybe Nationals. Actually, I bet

729
00:38:35,079 --> 00:38:35,320
it does.

730
00:38:35,360 --> 00:38:37,400
Speaker 1: It doesn't sound like a direct trip, let's put it

731
00:38:37,480 --> 00:38:37,800
that way.

732
00:38:37,960 --> 00:38:40,000
Speaker 2: No, no, no, I'd probably have to make a couple

733
00:38:40,000 --> 00:38:40,440
of stops.

734
00:38:40,639 --> 00:38:42,760
Speaker 1: Well, unfortunately for us, Tim made a stop at a

735
00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:45,920
liquor store in Rhode Island over the summer because hul

736
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:49,840
Cogan was out promoting his beer. Remember this is America

737
00:38:50,840 --> 00:38:52,840
whatever it was called, weel American beer and.

738
00:38:53,119 --> 00:38:58,119
Speaker 2: Is he going to be the secretary of of of embibment.

739
00:38:58,440 --> 00:39:01,559
Speaker 1: It's zero to beer, of tobacco, alcohol and fire.

740
00:39:01,639 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 3: There we go.

741
00:39:02,079 --> 00:39:04,119
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, yes, it means to be seen.

742
00:39:04,920 --> 00:39:07,320
Speaker 2: Haul Cogan was doing a tour Rhode Island liquor stores

743
00:39:07,400 --> 00:39:10,639
on August twenty seventh and August twenty eighth in support

744
00:39:10,639 --> 00:39:13,679
of his beer Bent brand, Real American Beer. I waited

745
00:39:13,679 --> 00:39:16,360
in line for several hours at Heritage Liquors in Cramson,

746
00:39:16,440 --> 00:39:18,760
Rhode Island to get my chance to meet him, and

747
00:39:19,159 --> 00:39:22,039
figured I would mention Sid since I had just rewatched

748
00:39:22,039 --> 00:39:25,519
their match following his passing, I recorded the attached audio.

749
00:39:27,079 --> 00:39:29,559
The first part is muffled because his agent or handler

750
00:39:29,599 --> 00:39:32,480
took my phone to take photos, but it clears up

751
00:39:32,480 --> 00:39:35,760
shortly after. The part they got me and I initially

752
00:39:35,840 --> 00:39:40,880
missed was him saying, freaks me out. Dude. You guys

753
00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,000
might get a kick out of it. Oh yeah, thank

754
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:45,840
you for the bottom of my heart, for everything you

755
00:39:45,840 --> 00:39:48,159
guys do. The cast has been an integral part of

756
00:39:48,159 --> 00:39:51,000
my life for these past few years. I also touched photos,

757
00:39:51,440 --> 00:39:54,119
one of me and him and one of his Jordans.

758
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:57,760
Ha ha, that's wild.

759
00:39:58,119 --> 00:39:59,840
Speaker 1: Oh we've got a dispatch from the field. What do

760
00:39:59,840 --> 00:40:00,760
you say you want to hear from the.

761
00:40:01,400 --> 00:40:02,719
Speaker 2: I got to hear this ship.

762
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:06,239
Speaker 3: I'm sorry.

763
00:40:15,280 --> 00:40:17,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's always three.

764
00:40:18,199 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 2: That's I know.

765
00:40:19,440 --> 00:40:22,440
Speaker 1: It's so said, always like that freaks me out.

766
00:40:23,559 --> 00:40:25,400
Speaker 3: Yeah he was. He was a little different.

767
00:40:25,480 --> 00:40:27,320
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I'm.

768
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:28,880
Speaker 3: Sure you got story. Is little good. I'm sure you

769
00:40:28,920 --> 00:40:30,400
got story. You want to hear me? Yeah?

770
00:40:30,559 --> 00:40:30,760
Speaker 7: Bad?

771
00:40:31,320 --> 00:40:32,159
Speaker 3: Thanks man, take care?

772
00:40:34,119 --> 00:40:37,480
Speaker 2: Hey, thank you. That brought freaks me out. He's always

773
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,480
a little different, freaking out. You're talking to me, brother,

774
00:40:42,039 --> 00:40:42,880
that freaks me out.

775
00:40:43,679 --> 00:40:48,360
Speaker 1: H It comes in threes, dude, could I be am?

776
00:40:48,360 --> 00:40:50,320
I wait a minute? Am I the third man?

777
00:40:59,039 --> 00:41:01,000
Speaker 2: Who who roller?

778
00:41:02,360 --> 00:41:02,639
Speaker 1: Wait?

779
00:41:03,719 --> 00:41:11,039
Speaker 2: Monkeys. Yep, good point, that's exactly it. John wants this monkeys.

780
00:41:11,079 --> 00:41:13,559
Speaker 1: John wants us to know that comedian Patrese O'Neill wrote

781
00:41:13,559 --> 00:41:15,079
for WWE in two thousand.

782
00:41:15,119 --> 00:41:21,000
Speaker 2: Boss Oh Boy, Oh Boy, the late great stand up comedian,

783
00:41:21,239 --> 00:41:25,519
spent perhaps the shortest stint on WB's creative team as

784
00:41:25,559 --> 00:41:28,719
anyone in history, sometime around November of two thousand. As

785
00:41:28,719 --> 00:41:32,119
the story goes, according to Patrise O'Neil's manager, Jason Steinberg, quote,

786
00:41:32,159 --> 00:41:35,679
someone from WE at the time saw Patrese perform one

787
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,440
night in New York, and shortly after that we were

788
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:42,039
approached by them about Patrise working there. And according to

789
00:41:42,639 --> 00:41:48,280
O'Neill's widow von de Carlo, they had him up to

790
00:41:48,360 --> 00:41:51,079
Vince's house in Connecticut and he went on one week

791
00:41:51,199 --> 00:41:53,880
of shows. That's it. At the end of that week,

792
00:41:53,920 --> 00:41:56,920
according to his story, Patrese told me himself, when we

793
00:41:56,960 --> 00:42:00,559
worked together on his VH one show Web Junk, McMahon

794
00:42:00,559 --> 00:42:03,679
handed him a thirteen week contract in his travel info

795
00:42:03,800 --> 00:42:06,760
for the next month of TV tapings. Patrese took one

796
00:42:06,800 --> 00:42:10,159
look at it and told her I have shows. That

797
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,119
was Patrese, a comedian through and through, even in the

798
00:42:13,159 --> 00:42:16,480
face of a dream job. That's also an example of

799
00:42:16,519 --> 00:42:18,599
how it is to work for Vince McMahon. He makes

800
00:42:18,639 --> 00:42:21,320
wrestling his life and expects you to do the same

801
00:42:21,400 --> 00:42:25,079
while under his employ As De Carlo told me, Patrese

802
00:42:25,440 --> 00:42:30,320
described working for ww Creative as a quote cult.

803
00:42:31,559 --> 00:42:36,039
Speaker 1: Oh, come on, that's unfair that the.

804
00:42:36,119 --> 00:42:40,800
Speaker 2: Vibe felt like, quote you can do the rest of

805
00:42:40,840 --> 00:42:43,039
your life. When Vince says so.

806
00:42:43,400 --> 00:42:47,280
Speaker 1: It's so true, man, so true. And we've heard that.

807
00:42:47,320 --> 00:42:50,480
It's like over and over again from people who come

808
00:42:50,519 --> 00:42:53,760
out the other side. It's like, yeah, he doesn't say

809
00:42:53,800 --> 00:42:55,800
you can't have a life, but you don't know when

810
00:42:55,880 --> 00:42:58,440
you can have a life. Like, Okay, I guess I'm

811
00:42:58,440 --> 00:43:01,440
working this Saturday month morning and afternoon. I thought it

812
00:43:01,480 --> 00:43:04,519
was my day off, but Vince decided that there's something

813
00:43:04,519 --> 00:43:05,719
that has to be resolved today.

814
00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:08,360
Speaker 2: I didn't say you had a day off, right exactly.

815
00:43:09,239 --> 00:43:11,440
I didn't say, hey, you know, you can take the

816
00:43:11,440 --> 00:43:14,480
next two days to yourself and enjoy your family, enjoy

817
00:43:14,760 --> 00:43:17,559
the night off, go out to the town. I didn't

818
00:43:17,599 --> 00:43:21,519
say that. I said good night, Wow, see you.

819
00:43:21,519 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 1: In the wow, see you in the morning. And Vince

820
00:43:24,039 --> 00:43:28,400
needs it now. Vince needs you now. It's not complicated.

821
00:43:30,400 --> 00:43:31,199
Speaker 2: Aren't you having fun?

822
00:43:31,280 --> 00:43:31,519
Speaker 1: Right?

823
00:43:32,519 --> 00:43:33,039
Speaker 2: This is fun?

824
00:43:33,079 --> 00:43:33,760
Speaker 1: Your dream job.

825
00:43:34,199 --> 00:43:40,920
Speaker 2: Working is life, Life is work, Life is a work.

826
00:43:42,039 --> 00:43:45,159
Speaker 1: What Robbie oh Sullivan, Welcome to the ept or, Nathan Cooper,

827
00:43:45,239 --> 00:43:50,199
Chris Jones, s L Brown, Matias Soto Ramirez. How about

828
00:43:50,280 --> 00:43:54,320
ah ah ah you coming in with the big pledge,

829
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:58,400
Lucky Lugucci and Matt Anderson and Justin Schiller and William Lenhart.

830
00:43:58,440 --> 00:44:00,880
We want to thank everybody for ledging to that cast

831
00:44:00,920 --> 00:44:05,320
on Patreon and helping it, help making it more than

832
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:09,679
even a going concern. Justin Wrights. I discovered your show

833
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,400
after watching the movie Iron Claw. This is a new way,

834
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:15,239
new way. After I watched the movie, I needed to

835
00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:17,880
get an emergency spinal fusion surgery. I would be later

836
00:44:17,960 --> 00:44:20,159
for months, so I decided to google the hoonare X

837
00:44:20,199 --> 00:44:23,079
to learn more. I stumbled upon the Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast,

838
00:44:23,360 --> 00:44:26,039
and allow me to say, The Lamentable Tragedy is the

839
00:44:26,039 --> 00:44:28,880
most in depth, top to bottom, unbelievable piece of work

840
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,519
I ever heard on a single subject. Unable to move much,

841
00:44:31,559 --> 00:44:34,400
I listened all about Fritz and his boys and realized

842
00:44:34,440 --> 00:44:36,639
the movie was not a fourth as good as your guys,

843
00:44:36,679 --> 00:44:39,760
work a little about me. I'm forty one, hulkamaniac as

844
00:44:39,800 --> 00:44:42,159
a kid and lapsed the first time. After Hulk left,

845
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:44,679
I peaked in the nWo, but it wasn't the same

846
00:44:44,960 --> 00:44:47,400
in high school. I peaked in on the nWo in

847
00:44:47,480 --> 00:44:49,559
high school. I broke my ribs playing football and the

848
00:44:49,559 --> 00:44:52,639
school provided me transportation to school. It was nineteen ninety eight,

849
00:44:52,679 --> 00:44:54,760
and I'm sure you'll both appreciate this. I rode to

850
00:44:54,800 --> 00:44:56,519
school with the special needs kids and they were all

851
00:44:56,519 --> 00:44:59,280
into wrestling. I started watching again and was all about

852
00:44:59,280 --> 00:45:01,559
the attitude. Ear. I even't had to turn to my

853
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:05,719
DX sucket shirt. You're right, I even had to turn

854
00:45:05,760 --> 00:45:08,519
my DX cucket shirt inside out at school. Living in

855
00:45:08,559 --> 00:45:11,119
New Jersey, I was able to get ECW simulcasts on

856
00:45:11,199 --> 00:45:14,480
Friday nights. I was hooked again. I went with the

857
00:45:14,519 --> 00:45:16,119
Wrestling Buddy to the two thousand and one King of

858
00:45:16,119 --> 00:45:18,280
the Ring, another show you expertly covered. It was so

859
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:21,000
close we got hit with glass when Shane came flying

860
00:45:21,039 --> 00:45:22,159
through from the other side.

861
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:22,760
Speaker 2: Wow.

862
00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:25,360
Speaker 1: I was totally ready for a lasting golden era of wrestling.

863
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,519
After the con Continental Arena exploded when Booker t put

864
00:45:28,519 --> 00:45:31,280
Steve Austin through the announced table. Sadly it was not

865
00:45:31,400 --> 00:45:33,639
to be. I was lapsed again after the Invasion pay

866
00:45:33,639 --> 00:45:36,400
per view, as were so many As were so many

867
00:45:36,559 --> 00:45:38,840
between going to college, the brand split, pissing me off,

868
00:45:38,880 --> 00:45:41,559
no NWL one flair, I just gave up. Fast forward

869
00:45:41,599 --> 00:45:44,360
to twenty twenty. My nephew was four. We couldn't leave

870
00:45:44,360 --> 00:45:46,159
the house and wrestle Mania was free on the network,

871
00:45:46,199 --> 00:45:48,199
so I sat my nephew down and watched it with him.

872
00:45:48,320 --> 00:45:49,880
I tried to tell him how cool wrestling used to

873
00:45:49,920 --> 00:45:51,320
be and how much I loved it. I thought it

874
00:45:51,320 --> 00:45:53,519
could be our thing. Fast forward four years. I got

875
00:45:53,519 --> 00:45:55,960
hooked again, and most kids today are more than happy

876
00:45:55,960 --> 00:46:00,239
to tell you they don't give a shit about fake fighting. Sure,

877
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:03,039
my girlfriend was relocated to Saint Louis for work. Finally

878
00:46:03,039 --> 00:46:04,920
feeling better, I went to see her. As fate would

879
00:46:04,960 --> 00:46:07,599
have it, aw Dynasty was in town the next weekend,

880
00:46:07,639 --> 00:46:11,079
a tremendous show Osprey Danielson Swerve Takes the Belt Off Joe.

881
00:46:11,119 --> 00:46:13,360
I was elated. On the way home that night. She

882
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:15,159
told me she loved me, but she's never going to

883
00:46:15,199 --> 00:46:18,960
that stupid shit again. Wow, you have since broken up

884
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:20,599
and I can't help but think the sport of King's

885
00:46:20,639 --> 00:46:23,519
had a hand in it. Life got hard again after

886
00:46:23,559 --> 00:46:25,320
the break up. My dog of eighteen years died and

887
00:46:25,360 --> 00:46:27,760
I was told I need another back surgery. Most of

888
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:30,440
my days spent in a chair, playing video games, rehaving

889
00:46:30,480 --> 00:46:33,840
and listening to my favorite obsession, the Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast.

890
00:46:34,199 --> 00:46:36,280
The past few months, I've realized how deep I needed

891
00:46:36,320 --> 00:46:38,440
in my ass. I can no longer sit in the

892
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:41,039
sidelines and be a free loading bitch. Money is tight

893
00:46:41,079 --> 00:46:43,039
since I can't work, but three sixteen for what you

894
00:46:43,079 --> 00:46:45,320
both provide me is worth its weight in gold. I

895
00:46:45,360 --> 00:46:48,119
can't thank you enough. Really, finding you guys really proved

896
00:46:48,119 --> 00:46:50,519
to me laughter as the best medicine. I've included two

897
00:46:50,519 --> 00:46:52,639
photos of my King of the Ring experience, the only

898
00:46:52,639 --> 00:46:55,480
remaining photos for my disposable camera that day, me and

899
00:46:55,519 --> 00:46:57,679
my wrestling buddy I'm in the angle shirt and a

900
00:46:57,719 --> 00:46:59,880
fresh faced Kurt walking to the ring before the industry

901
00:47:00,039 --> 00:47:03,519
took him to the woodshed. Thank you both, God, bless you,

902
00:47:03,679 --> 00:47:06,079
Praise be to the Warlord and the Lapsed Editor is

903
00:47:06,079 --> 00:47:09,599
going to be the Cinderella story of the TLFX games.

904
00:47:09,679 --> 00:47:13,239
Ah and didn't turn out to be well man, we're

905
00:47:13,280 --> 00:47:16,320
sorry that you've been in such dire straits. We're glad

906
00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:21,320
to provided LEAs some comfort. And please don't strain that wallet.

907
00:47:21,360 --> 00:47:24,480
You know this is not We're not looking to to

908
00:47:24,559 --> 00:47:27,320
nickel and dime people that need every penny. We're just

909
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,440
grateful for the support and others are doing their part,

910
00:47:30,639 --> 00:47:33,800
and so keep that in mind. Best of luck to

911
00:47:33,840 --> 00:47:35,360
you and your recovery, and glad to have you as

912
00:47:35,360 --> 00:47:38,280
a listeners. That's the first one I've heard that came

913
00:47:38,320 --> 00:47:39,719
to us because of Ironclaw.

914
00:47:40,480 --> 00:47:46,119
Speaker 2: Yep, right, Well, it's about time you find a particular podcast.

915
00:47:46,559 --> 00:47:50,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, in a particular orifice. Scott Michael Ferry such a great,

916
00:47:51,679 --> 00:47:54,039
such a great observer of wrestle Mamia on the moat

917
00:47:54,079 --> 00:47:56,079
tier and he wrote this one that I had to

918
00:47:56,079 --> 00:47:58,920
save and read. This episode is twenty one minutes long,

919
00:47:59,119 --> 00:48:01,079
but it probably took me thirty minutes to get through

920
00:48:01,079 --> 00:48:04,400
it because I kept rewinding to hear how hard Jack

921
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:08,079
burst into laughter right after Mama Sorrow said that a

922
00:48:08,159 --> 00:48:14,119
street signed to the temple could be death. Do you

923
00:48:14,199 --> 00:48:17,719
remember that they're using a stop signed ECW? She goes, oh,

924
00:48:18,159 --> 00:48:19,639
that could there is Let me.

925
00:48:19,599 --> 00:48:24,599
Speaker 2: Tell you my mom fears nothing more than getting hit

926
00:48:24,639 --> 00:48:30,039
in the temple, hyper specific all right, like that, like

927
00:48:30,039 --> 00:48:33,719
like that is a I remember the first time she

928
00:48:33,760 --> 00:48:35,280
told me. And you know, I've never even looked this

929
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,320
up to see if this was true or not, but

930
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:39,760
like that, if you get hit in the temple, you

931
00:48:39,800 --> 00:48:43,360
could die. Yeah, right, is that true? Yeah, if you

932
00:48:43,360 --> 00:48:45,400
could hit anywhere in the head, you could die. But well,

933
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:48,519
all right, I mean yeah trying that's not like specifically

934
00:48:48,519 --> 00:48:49,039
the temple.

935
00:48:49,079 --> 00:48:51,800
Speaker 1: I think the temple can knock you out like a

936
00:48:51,880 --> 00:48:53,360
little more easily. Yeah.

937
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 2: Well, she's like basically any blow to the head to

938
00:48:56,480 --> 00:49:00,159
the temple and you die, right, you know that's she's

939
00:49:00,239 --> 00:49:02,800
been like fear of God about that.

940
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:03,880
Speaker 1: I mean, you're going back and forth.

941
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 2: I was a kid.

942
00:49:04,480 --> 00:49:06,920
Speaker 1: I actually because Scott Michael pointed that out. I went

943
00:49:07,000 --> 00:49:09,280
back and like listened to one hundred times Left Massa

944
00:49:11,000 --> 00:49:13,199
because it's like if I remember, it's been a while now,

945
00:49:13,199 --> 00:49:15,320
but if I remember, correct, You're going back and forth

946
00:49:15,360 --> 00:49:17,039
with your mom about you know, the danger of hitting

947
00:49:17,039 --> 00:49:18,559
some of the stop sign and it's hit him in

948
00:49:18,599 --> 00:49:20,719
the temple, and you go, that could be serious injury.

949
00:49:20,800 --> 00:49:25,039
She goes, well, it could be death. She like she

950
00:49:25,119 --> 00:49:29,440
corrects you almost, yeah, right, exactly. Now, Now I know

951
00:49:29,519 --> 00:49:31,400
while you're going back and forth with her about the temple,

952
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:33,159
because you knew what we could light a fire over her.

953
00:49:33,840 --> 00:49:38,320
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I know, I know, I I yes, gotta gotta

954
00:49:38,400 --> 00:49:39,800
kind of get her going on some of that show.

955
00:49:40,840 --> 00:49:45,239
Speaker 1: That's a pleasure. Brett recalls that this is the U

956
00:49:45,719 --> 00:49:47,480
when you were doing Vince's voice on The Buried a

957
00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:49,679
live episode and Jim Ross is in his full heel

958
00:49:49,719 --> 00:49:53,679
mode and Vince is trying to you know, kind of

959
00:49:53,679 --> 00:49:57,039
big legalm and pretend to be more refined than JR. Yes,

960
00:49:57,239 --> 00:50:01,039
And at one point, I don't remember this, Vince says,

961
00:50:01,159 --> 00:50:09,239
I probably don't. He is a barbecue fan. Where Brett

962
00:50:09,280 --> 00:50:11,320
nails it when he says laps Vince will always be

963
00:50:11,480 --> 00:50:14,280
the undisputed champion, and that turned out to be true

964
00:50:14,280 --> 00:50:16,119
in the t lf X games Man, and that is

965
00:50:16,199 --> 00:50:19,360
very true. Jeff Wright's coming home from a Salesforce training

966
00:50:19,400 --> 00:50:22,320
on customer Journeys to hear Vince called nineteen ninety six

967
00:50:22,519 --> 00:50:29,559
WWE a customer Journey was a vibe. Hey, I want

968
00:50:29,559 --> 00:50:32,960
to send a huge thank you to Robert Reynolds. This

969
00:50:33,039 --> 00:50:34,559
kind of fell through the cracks. Do you ever go

970
00:50:34,599 --> 00:50:39,679
to Nordli's. Do they have any around you Nardelli's, I

971
00:50:39,719 --> 00:50:40,920
mean nor Deli's.

972
00:50:41,000 --> 00:50:44,400
Speaker 2: Yeah go and yeah, absolutely the homie s Connecticut fucking

973
00:50:45,400 --> 00:50:47,760
sent us a fifty dollars gift card to Nardelli's.

974
00:50:47,840 --> 00:50:50,519
Speaker 1: Oh so put that to use because there's none close

975
00:50:50,559 --> 00:50:50,760
to me.

976
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:53,960
Speaker 2: No, it's a Connecticut thing. Oh it is only Connecticut,

977
00:50:54,519 --> 00:50:58,159
I think, or at least that they're at least that's

978
00:50:58,239 --> 00:51:01,679
I've never seen them outside of Connecticut. Maybe like maybe

979
00:51:02,639 --> 00:51:06,679
close to the border in New York, but not not

980
00:51:06,719 --> 00:51:08,639
other than that, right man.

981
00:51:08,519 --> 00:51:13,679
Speaker 1: That's uh, that's awesome. We appreciate that. And I couldn't

982
00:51:13,719 --> 00:51:16,960
do this, but I appreciated. Christopher Grieve, who's such a

983
00:51:17,000 --> 00:51:20,239
wonderful guy, such a great Solar System member, so awesome

984
00:51:20,280 --> 00:51:24,239
Mote Tier series as it gets there for you, sent

985
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:26,119
us some cheese on PayPal, and he wanted us to

986
00:51:26,119 --> 00:51:28,880
do a live call of Hulk's RNC address.

987
00:51:29,840 --> 00:51:32,679
Speaker 2: Oh I can't go that. I can't.

988
00:51:32,880 --> 00:51:35,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, let us know, let us know if you want

989
00:51:35,760 --> 00:51:39,000
to back man, because I I thought about it. It's like,

990
00:51:39,039 --> 00:51:41,960
now as soon as we go there, it's over, you

991
00:51:42,079 --> 00:51:47,119
know what I mean. Ethan Suppley, who's Ethan Suppley.

992
00:51:48,639 --> 00:51:50,559
Speaker 2: Oh he's an actor.

993
00:51:50,960 --> 00:51:53,320
Speaker 1: Okay, this is tim. I don't know if you guys

994
00:51:53,360 --> 00:51:56,400
read episode comments and Patreon. But Jared Saines brought up

995
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:59,000
a point that I replied to regarding Ethan so plays

996
00:51:59,000 --> 00:52:02,199
connection to wrestling. Figured I would tip you guys in

997
00:52:02,199 --> 00:52:06,440
case you ignore comments like I usually do. Okay, Ethan

998
00:52:06,519 --> 00:52:09,719
slip papers and mal Rats and also played Vader's son

999
00:52:09,800 --> 00:52:14,239
and Boy Meets World. Is that qualifying for mal Rats

1000
00:52:15,079 --> 00:52:16,239
laying the son of Vader.

1001
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:21,679
Speaker 2: No, because he needs to actually wrestle. It needs to

1002
00:52:21,719 --> 00:52:26,000
be some kind of legit wrestling connection. But it's close.

1003
00:52:26,159 --> 00:52:28,119
It's a good effort. I will say that because mal

1004
00:52:28,199 --> 00:52:33,440
Rats is. But there's actually I mean, look, mall Rats

1005
00:52:33,440 --> 00:52:36,199
is actually easier really than we all think.

1006
00:52:37,320 --> 00:52:38,519
Speaker 1: Is it because of Burnley?

1007
00:52:40,440 --> 00:52:43,800
Speaker 2: No? No, actually not even well, I mean that that's possible,

1008
00:52:44,360 --> 00:52:51,039
but actually, uh, Kevin Smith himself, because Kevin Smith went

1009
00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:56,719
like a three episode story thing on AE. That counts.

1010
00:52:56,960 --> 00:53:01,519
That absolutely counts. I mean that opens up Kevin Smith. Well,

1011
00:53:01,599 --> 00:53:03,280
I don't know if all of Kevin Smith.

1012
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 1: If that, if that counts wall Rats, then maybe we

1013
00:53:06,039 --> 00:53:07,880
don't need to read what I just sent you. I

1014
00:53:07,880 --> 00:53:09,679
want to just put it in your back pocket. But

1015
00:53:09,760 --> 00:53:14,440
the whole Brodie Lee character that that uh you know,

1016
00:53:14,480 --> 00:53:16,840
the former debuties lu Carper played was inspired by the

1017
00:53:16,840 --> 00:53:19,559
movie as well, and it was laid out very cleanly

1018
00:53:19,559 --> 00:53:20,559
in the email I just sent you.

1019
00:53:20,639 --> 00:53:23,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, take it, take a read. People are interested. There

1020
00:53:23,920 --> 00:53:25,719
you go on an email, the email.

1021
00:53:31,039 --> 00:53:33,960
Speaker 1: Everyone wants to wall rats to qualify so bad.

1022
00:53:35,039 --> 00:53:40,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, read the email. It Mike co co chairs and

1023
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:44,239
analyzers of anal assimilation for a long time. I'm a

1024
00:53:44,239 --> 00:53:47,400
longtime listener who remains comfortable being a free loading bitch,

1025
00:53:47,440 --> 00:53:50,400
mostly because I am a sole breadwinner of a family

1026
00:53:50,440 --> 00:53:55,639
of three. You're philosophical, but uh no, no, I mean

1027
00:53:55,800 --> 00:54:02,960
there's society. Your philosophical banter about stage combat and simulated

1028
00:54:03,000 --> 00:54:08,880
athletics keeps me entertained during mundane household chores like sweeping, vacuuming, mopping,

1029
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:13,119
and scooping catshit out of litter boxes. I don't have

1030
00:54:13,159 --> 00:54:16,280
an elaborate stop sob story or embellished past to tug

1031
00:54:16,320 --> 00:54:19,760
on your heartstrings like other Carney inspired listeners. But I'm

1032
00:54:19,760 --> 00:54:22,199
a lifelong wrestling fan from the Bronx who still wears

1033
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:25,519
wrestling shirts to the chagrin of my wife and my

1034
00:54:25,639 --> 00:54:31,039
mother and who flashed a too sweet when my son

1035
00:54:31,239 --> 00:54:34,960
was born while wearing a bray Wyat shirt, sparking a

1036
00:54:35,000 --> 00:54:37,920
yearly tradition of wearing that shirt and flashing the two

1037
00:54:38,000 --> 00:54:42,519
sweet on his birthday with him. And yes, the shirt

1038
00:54:42,559 --> 00:54:45,599
still fits size large, which means I'm not a complete failure,

1039
00:54:46,480 --> 00:54:50,239
although I get goosebumps making late night grub Hub and

1040
00:54:50,360 --> 00:54:53,679
door Dash orders instructing the delivery person to not ring

1041
00:54:53,760 --> 00:54:57,440
the beetle or call me and to leave the food

1042
00:54:57,519 --> 00:55:00,880
on the chair near my doors xactly delivery on the

1043
00:55:00,920 --> 00:55:03,880
app and watch them through the door, ignoring their phone

1044
00:55:03,920 --> 00:55:08,079
calls because I clearly said not to in my instruction.

1045
00:55:08,679 --> 00:55:11,639
I love that, and waiting for them to leave so

1046
00:55:11,679 --> 00:55:13,559
I can shuffle out of my socks and grab the

1047
00:55:13,599 --> 00:55:16,320
food while looking left and right to see if anyone

1048
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:20,400
notices this shameful transaction. At one am, I enjoy the

1049
00:55:20,440 --> 00:55:23,000
meal and destroy all traces and evidence of it before

1050
00:55:23,039 --> 00:55:27,599
my wife wakes up to maximize the shame. I heard

1051
00:55:27,599 --> 00:55:30,119
your desperate plea to the Solar System to see how

1052
00:55:30,159 --> 00:55:32,480
mall rats could qualify for cinemat, and I hold this

1053
00:55:32,599 --> 00:55:35,360
bit of information. I hope I hold this bit of

1054
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:39,239
information will support the cause. From the Wikipedia page of

1055
00:55:39,480 --> 00:55:43,320
Jonathan Hubert rests in peace aka Brody Lee. If Cape

1056
00:55:43,320 --> 00:55:45,679
Fear can count because of Bray, Whatt and Whale and mercy,

1057
00:55:45,679 --> 00:55:48,559
I feel this should qualify Malrats. Quote. He came up

1058
00:55:48,599 --> 00:55:51,960
with the name Brody Lee from the movie Mallrats absolutely

1059
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:55,360
by combining the names of actor Jason Lee and his

1060
00:55:55,440 --> 00:55:59,280
character Brody Brooks, though his style and appearance have also

1061
00:55:59,559 --> 00:56:03,599
brought them parents is to Bruiser Brody mistakenly thinking his

1062
00:56:03,719 --> 00:56:07,960
ring name was derived from Bruiser. All right, yeah, it

1063
00:56:08,000 --> 00:56:11,719
totally qualifies it. Okay, if so, I may borrow some

1064
00:56:12,280 --> 00:56:14,559
bucks from my some piggybank to hear the co chairs

1065
00:56:14,760 --> 00:56:16,760
Deep Dive, one of my favorite movies from my.

1066
00:56:17,199 --> 00:56:18,760
Speaker 1: No one needs to be in the agenda for twenty

1067
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:19,679
twenty four boss.

1068
00:56:19,840 --> 00:56:22,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I think that's uh. I think that's fair.

1069
00:56:23,239 --> 00:56:27,719
I think that's fair. A mall rats. I love mal Right, man,

1070
00:56:27,760 --> 00:56:31,840
I love all of you know the Kevin Smith movies.

1071
00:56:31,880 --> 00:56:36,360
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, he had such a he had such

1072
00:56:36,360 --> 00:56:38,119
a hold on the culture for a while there.

1073
00:56:39,119 --> 00:56:41,559
Speaker 2: It's like, yeah, and I mean, you know, he's uh,

1074
00:56:42,239 --> 00:56:46,320
it's such a if you watch I mean, I can

1075
00:56:46,360 --> 00:56:50,400
watch his movies, and I do enjoy his movies, but man,

1076
00:56:51,599 --> 00:56:57,840
they there are there are not many movies that reek

1077
00:56:58,239 --> 00:57:01,760
so hard of the nine. Yeah, as his movie, that's

1078
00:57:01,760 --> 00:57:04,159
so true. I mean.

1079
00:57:05,639 --> 00:57:07,760
Speaker 1: You mean time. It's not a negative thing.

1080
00:57:08,320 --> 00:57:10,239
Speaker 2: Not a negative thing, not a negative thing. It's just

1081
00:57:10,320 --> 00:57:14,079
like you you you know, he he was, he was

1082
00:57:14,119 --> 00:57:17,679
part of that that mid nineties independent film boom.

1083
00:57:17,840 --> 00:57:23,639
Speaker 7: Yeah, absolutely, when you had so many, so many of

1084
00:57:23,679 --> 00:57:28,639
these kind of like you know, student filmish like movies.

1085
00:57:29,199 --> 00:57:31,800
Speaker 1: Yep, My god, so many people coming in mall rats.

1086
00:57:31,840 --> 00:57:34,719
Now that I'm looking through this, Wow, they want it

1087
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:37,280
back right. It's it's there, It's there, It'll come good.

1088
00:57:37,559 --> 00:57:39,719
It's good to know it's big. It's a big confirmation

1089
00:57:39,760 --> 00:57:42,960
here on this episode. So a slew of thanks here.

1090
00:57:43,000 --> 00:57:46,119
We want to thank David Lee, Martin's, Joe Napoli, Double Bizz,

1091
00:57:46,519 --> 00:57:52,559
Heather Barber, Huey Vambino, Chris turg Laferra, Matt White, Tim Lee,

1092
00:57:52,679 --> 00:58:00,119
Sean Van de Velde, Joe detallve Geno, Methodology change A,

1093
00:58:00,599 --> 00:58:06,599
David Christian, Valentine, Brandon Kaiser, Matthew Hardaway, Brandon Collard, Stephen Tackett,

1094
00:58:06,679 --> 00:58:11,559
Daniel Jim Rocco, James Harvey, Garrick Taylor, Ben Buck Tavio,

1095
00:58:12,039 --> 00:58:16,880
Matthew Munns, Chuck Angeline, Heath, Horschman, Jesse Harrison, and Ali

1096
00:58:17,159 --> 00:58:20,760
all for their recent pledges to the One and the

1097
00:58:20,800 --> 00:58:24,079
Only true cast. This kind of supports what makes all

1098
00:58:24,079 --> 00:58:26,719
the difference. Always need to remind folks that if Patreon

1099
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:28,800
isn't your thing, you can send us a one off

1100
00:58:28,840 --> 00:58:31,239
digital tip by typing the lapsed fan at gmail dot

1101
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:33,840
com into your PayPal account send us funds that way,

1102
00:58:34,119 --> 00:58:36,960
as many have done. Michael Hooper did that recently. Just

1103
00:58:36,960 --> 00:58:39,440
simply wrote tip in honor of TLFX. Thanks for all

1104
00:58:39,440 --> 00:58:43,599
the content that nice and we o nice little almost

1105
00:58:43,639 --> 00:58:47,440
like a fist bump. Blake writes, we discuss past family

1106
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:51,000
members who also watched wrestling as if they suffered afflictions,

1107
00:58:51,320 --> 00:58:53,639
and we are sick with the same thing and our

1108
00:58:53,679 --> 00:59:00,400
parents are looking for genetic explanations. Mmm, it's true. George

1109
00:59:00,440 --> 00:59:02,840
McAllister also hit us on PayPal. He writes, Dear Jack

1110
00:59:02,840 --> 00:59:05,400
and JP, got a little bonus this month for all

1111
00:59:05,400 --> 00:59:07,039
my hard work over the course of the year. Just

1112
00:59:07,079 --> 00:59:08,800
wanted to share the love and give you another twenty

1113
00:59:08,840 --> 00:59:11,199
pounds this month. Keep up the great work. Isn't that

1114
00:59:11,400 --> 00:59:14,519
like just great citizenry at the end of the day,

1115
00:59:14,679 --> 00:59:19,519
I agree, I agree Jesus Christ talk about straightforward good stuff.

1116
00:59:21,239 --> 00:59:24,480
This one is newish to the solar system. It's from TC.

1117
00:59:25,000 --> 00:59:27,320
Grew up a WB fan. Started my journey down memory

1118
00:59:27,400 --> 00:59:29,400
lane with the Dark Side of the Ring wrestling documentaries.

1119
00:59:29,400 --> 00:59:32,079
I keep hearing about Lapsed Wrestling podcast being mentioned in

1120
00:59:32,079 --> 00:59:34,119
the podcast of Dark Side of the Ring. There's another

1121
00:59:34,480 --> 00:59:36,960
new one people can push that way, So I finally

1122
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:39,079
took a listen. Let me tell y'all, I'm now bent

1123
00:59:39,199 --> 00:59:41,960
over with all my hands by my ankles, taking it

1124
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:43,639
all the way up. You get the point. Saying it

1125
00:59:43,679 --> 00:59:46,079
as well as hearing it always makes me cringe. Everything

1126
00:59:46,079 --> 00:59:48,159
you both do is gold. I'm broke at the moment,

1127
00:59:48,199 --> 00:59:49,599
but the day I get all my funds in order

1128
00:59:49,599 --> 00:59:51,519
that that HOPPERA is open, I will bless and curse

1129
00:59:51,559 --> 00:59:53,559
you all with a shit show to cover, because I

1130
00:59:53,599 --> 00:59:55,719
personally believe y'all best work is when you both hate

1131
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:57,920
the show and mostly everyone in it. I was high

1132
00:59:57,920 --> 01:00:00,880
as fuck one night THHC not to tea but not painkillers,

1133
01:00:01,039 --> 01:00:03,800
and I was listening to the EPs to episode three

1134
01:00:03,840 --> 01:00:06,360
twenty four Bash at the Beach nineteen ninety five while driving,

1135
01:00:06,559 --> 01:00:08,840
Thank god it was late, because my god lapsed. Vader

1136
01:00:08,880 --> 01:00:11,599
had me in tears and cramping. I could barely drive.

1137
01:00:11,800 --> 01:00:13,639
I went back to listen to it sober as we

1138
01:00:13,679 --> 01:00:15,519
speak while I'm working, and I had to pause it

1139
01:00:15,559 --> 01:00:18,679
because I start dying from imagining some huge, bald guy

1140
01:00:18,760 --> 01:00:22,280
ripping through a parking lot of people just indeat.

1141
01:00:23,440 --> 01:00:23,719
Speaker 2: Yes.

1142
01:00:23,800 --> 01:00:24,199
Speaker 3: What was.

1143
01:00:26,840 --> 01:00:31,239
Speaker 1: What was key about that to my memory is that,

1144
01:00:31,800 --> 01:00:34,280
first of all, it's like the sound of the little

1145
01:00:34,360 --> 01:00:37,639
rocks on the parking lot crunching under his boots.

1146
01:00:37,960 --> 01:00:38,119
Speaker 2: Yes.

1147
01:00:38,360 --> 01:00:42,000
Speaker 1: And it's that he's not he's not like blasting through

1148
01:00:42,039 --> 01:00:44,119
people to get to the food. The food's inside. There

1149
01:00:44,159 --> 01:00:48,239
are people outside. He's not just hitting them. He's like

1150
01:00:48,800 --> 01:00:52,440
pursuing them, even after he's knocked them over. Like he's

1151
01:00:52,480 --> 01:00:54,599
not pushing them out of the way. He's trying to

1152
01:00:54,639 --> 01:00:58,280
fright them and defeat them and then go get the

1153
01:00:58,320 --> 01:01:03,599
food a fox him up basically.

1154
01:01:04,159 --> 01:01:08,039
Speaker 2: Well, And I remember the thing that I loved the

1155
01:01:08,079 --> 01:01:11,199
most too, was that there was there was like an

1156
01:01:11,239 --> 01:01:14,960
idea of a guy who like didn't know, you know,

1157
01:01:15,000 --> 01:01:16,760
he's trying to get out of the way but he

1158
01:01:17,079 --> 01:01:21,039
keeps going the same way as Vader. He can't get it.

1159
01:01:21,159 --> 01:01:22,039
He can't get it right.

1160
01:01:22,960 --> 01:01:23,599
Speaker 1: That's odd.

1161
01:01:26,719 --> 01:01:28,480
Speaker 2: He fucking gets killed.

1162
01:01:30,159 --> 01:01:31,760
Speaker 1: Last, but not least, there's the listen of my favorite

1163
01:01:31,800 --> 01:01:34,920
LAPS characters below. Thanks so much for everything, keep taking

1164
01:01:34,960 --> 01:01:37,480
us on rich historical trips have failed, but once great promotions,

1165
01:01:37,639 --> 01:01:39,760
and continuing to remind us that wrestling is a carnival

1166
01:01:39,760 --> 01:01:41,960
full of crazy carnies that live in their own world

1167
01:01:42,000 --> 01:01:46,000
and worry about nothing but themselves. First ps adding driving

1168
01:01:46,039 --> 01:01:49,320
high as fuck while listening to that fucking cast as

1169
01:01:49,519 --> 01:01:52,199
one of those do at your own risk things. Number

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one is Kevin Nash, Number two is Vince McMahon, Number

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three is hul Cogan, Number four is said and that's

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before the tribute, and number five is Macho Man. Honorable

1173
01:01:59,440 --> 01:02:02,239
mention Vader. Well, we're glad to have he as a listener. Pal,

1174
01:02:02,519 --> 01:02:06,960
good stuff. Yeah, hilarious. Email Jennifer, who's been lapsed since

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01:02:07,000 --> 01:02:11,039
twenty fourteen the wrestles owne Days Wow, writes this, Dear

1176
01:02:11,119 --> 01:02:13,719
coach Chairman, I'm sending you this email upon one revelation,

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01:02:13,920 --> 01:02:15,920
even though I did not start watching wrestling until twenty

1178
01:02:16,039 --> 01:02:18,639
three oh four. Who was the man who was my hero,

1179
01:02:18,880 --> 01:02:21,280
who was the wrestling god? Who do you think it was? Boss?

1180
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She's from two thousand and three? Four?

1181
01:02:25,400 --> 01:02:27,239
Speaker 2: Oh I gibble jibbling bits.

1182
01:02:27,320 --> 01:02:29,920
Speaker 1: Yes, even in twenty oh four. The first iconic hero

1183
01:02:29,960 --> 01:02:35,119
of wrestling for me was Hulk fucking Hogan. To think

1184
01:02:35,119 --> 01:02:38,119
about that, Think about people who discovered Hulk Hogan during

1185
01:02:38,159 --> 01:02:42,239
the two thousand and three run That's Insane. Let me explain.

1186
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:43,960
I was first introduced to the sport of kings to

1187
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the second PS two WW SmackDown game, Shut your mouth.

1188
01:02:47,360 --> 01:02:48,960
After that I took some interest in the product, though

1189
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wouldn't say I really became a hardcore fan until couple

1190
01:02:50,960 --> 01:02:52,880
of years later. However, in two thousand and three, I

1191
01:02:52,960 --> 01:02:55,480
was introduced to a very special VHS tape. My dad's

1192
01:02:55,519 --> 01:02:57,719
roommate Mick, a longtime friend in Rocker type, made a

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01:02:57,719 --> 01:03:00,639
mixtape of most of Hogan's exploits of three After No

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01:03:00,719 --> 01:03:02,920
Way Out two thousand and three, including his entire run

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01:03:02,920 --> 01:03:05,400
as Mister America. What's Better. Mick filled the tape with

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01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:09,199
divas segment. So Don Marie was flashing her naked tits naked?

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01:03:09,400 --> 01:03:12,039
I don't think so? Not her? Did she did?

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Speaker 2: She show it.

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Speaker 1: I know she made I.

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Speaker 2: Don't have to show them. I mean she might have,

1201
01:03:15,599 --> 01:03:20,440
like you know then you know, quote unquote, you know nude.

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Speaker 1: Maybe she did. Actually, I know she made out with

1203
01:03:25,800 --> 01:03:30,079
Torri on that pay per view. I watched that more

1204
01:03:30,119 --> 01:03:33,920
than once, but I don't know if she ever should

1205
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:36,480
because now I'm actually wondering if she did. I know,

1206
01:03:36,559 --> 01:03:38,159
of course the cat did. That was the only time

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01:03:38,159 --> 01:03:40,119
I thought they ever went ahead and did it on Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Well, and then you had uh Jacqueline always fucking right,

1209
01:03:45,559 --> 01:03:47,280
losing it all the time.

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Speaker 1: And said was doing a sable rather Sable was doing

1211
01:03:51,480 --> 01:03:53,480
a strip tease in between segments with Hogan beating on

1212
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Piper and fucking two thousand and three, Yeah, I remember that.

1213
01:03:55,480 --> 01:03:57,159
That was That was when Vince was after her and

1214
01:03:57,320 --> 01:04:00,840
she ended up going with Brock. And it's probably closed

1215
01:04:00,840 --> 01:04:02,400
a couple times on that fucking.

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Speaker 2: Deal, I imagine.

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01:04:03,639 --> 01:04:05,559
Speaker 1: Honestly, I wasn't watching week to week. I couldn't even

1218
01:04:05,559 --> 01:04:07,800
watch SmackDown for years. But outside of the occasional raw,

1219
01:04:07,960 --> 01:04:09,679
I could peer my eye into the world of wrestling

1220
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:12,280
through this five and a half hour mixtape. Except I

1221
01:04:12,280 --> 01:04:14,559
could watch this whenever I wanted, not only on Monday nights.

1222
01:04:14,679 --> 01:04:16,000
I have to say, as a nine year old kid,

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01:04:16,000 --> 01:04:18,280
I completely bought into this Hulk Hogan. For one thing,

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I was constantly being told both by my dad and

1225
01:04:20,480 --> 01:04:22,599
the storylines that Hulk Hogan is some kind of legend

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01:04:22,639 --> 01:04:25,000
who must be respected as the greatest sports entertainer of

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01:04:25,039 --> 01:04:27,199
all time. I completely bought into the feud with him

1228
01:04:27,239 --> 01:04:29,239
and Vince. I was interested to see him beat on

1229
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:32,760
Shaan O'Hair, and I found the Mister America gimmick really funny. Really,

1230
01:04:32,760 --> 01:04:34,960
the week to week goof of fence Piper attempting to

1231
01:04:34,960 --> 01:04:37,960
expose mister America's Hogan was perfectly tuned for a nine

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01:04:38,039 --> 01:04:39,840
year old barely in a wrestling I had never been

1233
01:04:39,840 --> 01:04:42,559
thought about that. The kids watching that just thought it

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01:04:42,599 --> 01:04:46,079
was the greatest thing. Yeah, I'm quote, that's that's wild.

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I am not Hulk Hogan brother, because I knew nothing

1236
01:04:49,079 --> 01:04:51,000
any way. I was just able to accept old man

1237
01:04:51,000 --> 01:04:53,159
Hogan as a hero one could get behind, a badass

1238
01:04:53,199 --> 01:04:55,239
fighting against the system who just wanted to get a

1239
01:04:55,239 --> 01:04:58,000
big pop from the fans. Basically, he was my stone Cold.

1240
01:04:58,239 --> 01:05:01,880
How weird is that Bizarres the real stone Cold? To me?

1241
01:05:02,000 --> 01:05:04,400
Some jackass on an ATV who drinks beer and pranks

1242
01:05:04,519 --> 01:05:07,159
Eric Bischoff, who is and has only ever been raw GM.

1243
01:05:07,519 --> 01:05:10,000
Why does it say sob on his vest? My dad

1244
01:05:10,000 --> 01:05:12,480
would say, to fuck with us. By the time I

1245
01:05:12,519 --> 01:05:15,199
properly got into wrestling, my hero is definitely John Cena,

1246
01:05:15,199 --> 01:05:17,320
at least in those preteen days before I would be

1247
01:05:17,320 --> 01:05:20,039
too cool and jaded for him. But in my first introductions,

1248
01:05:20,079 --> 01:05:22,159
the big guy, the star of the show, the going

1249
01:05:22,239 --> 01:05:26,079
concern it was still Hulk Hogan. Even after WCW folded,

1250
01:05:26,119 --> 01:05:28,400
the WW was successfully getting at least one kid in

1251
01:05:28,440 --> 01:05:32,480
America to still believe in hulk Amania. Whether or not

1252
01:05:32,480 --> 01:05:34,719
this email has ever seen, cheers or cheers to you

1253
01:05:35,159 --> 01:05:37,599
and ps, I can totally send a link to digitized

1254
01:05:37,679 --> 01:05:39,920
version of the tape. I ripped it years ago. Get

1255
01:05:40,079 --> 01:05:41,800
I get the gist. I get the gist because I

1256
01:05:41,960 --> 01:05:44,760
made those two. That's good. That is just a whole

1257
01:05:45,079 --> 01:05:47,639
wild relevatory to me. To think that there are people

1258
01:05:47,639 --> 01:05:51,320
out there that like looked around, took the stock of

1259
01:05:51,440 --> 01:05:52,960
WW in two thousand and three and said, yeah, this

1260
01:05:52,960 --> 01:06:00,000
guy's the coolest guy. That's just that's insane. I totally agree, Steve.

1261
01:06:00,000 --> 01:06:01,599
He's had a great point he says, I'm sitting here

1262
01:06:01,599 --> 01:06:03,880
listening to the live call and thinking, Wow, the guys

1263
01:06:03,880 --> 01:06:05,920
are being a little hard on Solo so CoA. Then

1264
01:06:06,000 --> 01:06:08,960
you say he looks like a falafel, and now I

1265
01:06:08,960 --> 01:06:10,800
can never see that and I will never take him

1266
01:06:10,840 --> 01:06:12,639
seriously for the rest of his life.

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01:06:13,360 --> 01:06:17,440
Speaker 2: That's right, nor should you. He's in his face right now,

1268
01:06:18,119 --> 01:06:22,400
Oh on a stupid baby face, fat face.

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01:06:22,519 --> 01:06:25,559
Speaker 1: Why poor guy's sending me control that he's a bad ass.

1270
01:06:25,800 --> 01:06:26,719
Speaker 2: Can't stand him.

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01:06:26,760 --> 01:06:28,559
Speaker 1: He's not a bad look at his face.

1272
01:06:29,280 --> 01:06:37,159
Speaker 2: He's a bitch. He's an idiot. Oh shit, Solo so CoA.

1273
01:06:38,599 --> 01:06:41,639
If he's Solo suck you say anyone's name like that,

1274
01:06:41,800 --> 01:06:47,920
He's only idiots souls and look at he's just a dufus,

1275
01:06:48,000 --> 01:06:49,639
just a complete dufis.

1276
01:06:51,239 --> 01:06:54,400
Speaker 1: Chocolate equals Detriment pointed this out from the lapsed funk.

1277
01:06:54,480 --> 01:06:57,599
I bet you don't remember saying this laps fucking four

1278
01:06:57,639 --> 01:07:02,199
hours and thirty three seconds quote. I'm gonna touch you

1279
01:07:02,199 --> 01:07:05,519
where you stink, and I want you to accept it,

1280
01:07:05,679 --> 01:07:13,480
understand it, and celebrate it. There's something gems in there, man,

1281
01:07:13,519 --> 01:07:15,920
that it's gonna take a long time to resurface. But

1282
01:07:16,199 --> 01:07:18,760
the hours and hours. We were in a trance, a

1283
01:07:18,880 --> 01:07:22,239
Terry funk trance. I really was so true and I

1284
01:07:22,320 --> 01:07:24,800
still remember I still remember the smell of opening the

1285
01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:26,559
box I got from his estate sale.

1286
01:07:26,679 --> 01:07:27,840
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, just.

1287
01:07:27,800 --> 01:07:29,880
Speaker 1: That smell of like someone else's stuff, do you know

1288
01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:32,119
what I mean? Yeah, yeah, it hadn't been touched in

1289
01:07:32,159 --> 01:07:33,400
twenty five years.

1290
01:07:33,599 --> 01:07:36,039
Speaker 2: Because there's a hint of that mustiness to it.

1291
01:07:36,119 --> 01:07:37,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, like you know, you get an idea of what

1292
01:07:37,880 --> 01:07:42,800
his living room smelled like. You know, yep, yep, My god,

1293
01:07:45,119 --> 01:07:48,039
Kevin McClory. You think our homie Steve in Ireland doesn't

1294
01:07:48,039 --> 01:07:51,320
have thoughts on this guy ooh from the Bond film.

1295
01:07:51,519 --> 01:07:53,599
It's amazing to me that McClory tried to make himself

1296
01:07:53,639 --> 01:07:55,679
out of his rags to riches story. He was born

1297
01:07:55,679 --> 01:07:58,960
and lived in doing log Hair, a very wealthy part

1298
01:07:58,960 --> 01:08:00,760
of the city that had a lot of British presence

1299
01:08:00,760 --> 01:08:03,119
even after independence was passed. He probably went to one

1300
01:08:03,159 --> 01:08:04,880
of many private schools in that part of the city.

1301
01:08:05,000 --> 01:08:07,239
One of Ireland's most famous ones is ten minutes up

1302
01:08:07,280 --> 01:08:09,039
the road. He was a posh kid.

1303
01:08:10,199 --> 01:08:10,960
Speaker 2: I love this.

1304
01:08:11,039 --> 01:08:12,719
Speaker 1: Why do you love it? Tell people who don't know

1305
01:08:12,800 --> 01:08:13,360
I love.

1306
01:08:13,199 --> 01:08:16,680
Speaker 2: This because again, he comes, he comes across, he talks

1307
01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:21,119
about himself like he's this, like he's this underdog, but

1308
01:08:21,159 --> 01:08:22,600
he's really just a fucking failure.

1309
01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:25,079
Speaker 1: Well, he's a fraud as far as an underdog, that's

1310
01:08:25,119 --> 01:08:28,119
absolutely a failure. He succeeded, I would say.

1311
01:08:29,079 --> 01:08:31,880
Speaker 2: No, not at all. He had no money when he died. Well, yeah,

1312
01:08:32,159 --> 01:08:36,079
but he had nothing. Got what he wanted though, No, no,

1313
01:08:36,560 --> 01:08:43,640
no he did not, especially especially since his estate gave

1314
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:44,239
it all away.

1315
01:08:45,039 --> 01:08:47,279
Speaker 1: Yeah. No, he'd be horrified to know what happened after

1316
01:08:47,319 --> 01:08:52,239
he passed. Kevin McClory just quickly. This is a guy

1317
01:08:52,239 --> 01:08:55,199
who claimed co authorship rights to a lot of the Bond.

1318
01:08:54,960 --> 01:09:00,479
Speaker 2: Ip Yes, yeah, he well he yeah he. He actually

1319
01:09:00,560 --> 01:09:06,920
wrote the first ever Bond script prior to Kubby Brockley

1320
01:09:06,920 --> 01:09:10,199
coming on board with Ian Fleming. And Ian Fleming then

1321
01:09:11,079 --> 01:09:16,720
they they end up separating on a very sour note,

1322
01:09:16,720 --> 01:09:22,000
and Fleming took what they'd written and made Thunderball, made

1323
01:09:22,000 --> 01:09:25,600
the book Thunderball, and thus started and didn't give credit

1324
01:09:25,840 --> 01:09:28,920
or didn't give a paycheck or anything, and thus started

1325
01:09:28,960 --> 01:09:34,239
an incredible a fifty year battle, a fifty year battle.

1326
01:09:34,239 --> 01:09:39,000
Speaker 1: Obsessed with winning this fight, obsessed with basically being owed

1327
01:09:39,119 --> 01:09:41,359
every red scent that the Bond franchise ever made.

1328
01:09:42,000 --> 01:09:46,039
Speaker 2: Yeah, he was really insisting owned. He created Bond and

1329
01:09:46,079 --> 01:09:50,199
deserved to own Bond. And he just spent his entire

1330
01:09:50,279 --> 01:09:55,479
life with this vendetta with only one victory, not two victories.

1331
01:09:55,520 --> 01:09:59,159
I guess where he got to produce the Thunderball film

1332
01:09:59,800 --> 01:10:04,560
on alongside Kubby Brockley and Harry Saltzman, but then also

1333
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:08,439
make his Thunderball remake with Sean Connery. But besides that,

1334
01:10:08,520 --> 01:10:12,920
I mean, he just failure. It's a complete shit show. Yeah, total.

1335
01:10:13,560 --> 01:10:15,720
Speaker 1: Matthew writes. I don't know why Jesse the Body Ventura

1336
01:10:15,800 --> 01:10:19,079
claiming asylum in Budapest made me laugh out loud, but

1337
01:10:19,159 --> 01:10:19,520
it did.

1338
01:10:24,560 --> 01:10:27,640
Speaker 2: I don't know why they laugh either. It's fucking funny.

1339
01:10:28,239 --> 01:10:31,640
Speaker 1: It is funny. Jesse Ventor is saying Budapest like it's

1340
01:10:31,640 --> 01:10:33,600
a city everybody knows which it is.

1341
01:10:33,640 --> 01:10:35,720
Speaker 2: But you know why, I've been to Budapest, you know,

1342
01:10:35,760 --> 01:10:38,880
and I've been there and I claim asylum.

1343
01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:41,800
Speaker 1: He's saying Budapest because he thinks you're going to be

1344
01:10:41,800 --> 01:10:44,279
impressed that he knows what Budapest is.

1345
01:10:44,520 --> 01:10:46,800
Speaker 2: It's exactly what it is. I mean, you know, I've

1346
01:10:46,800 --> 01:10:50,720
been all over the traveled the world. I'm a globe trotter,

1347
01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:56,640
not ashamed to admit it. And you know, sometimes when

1348
01:10:56,680 --> 01:10:58,800
we're out there doing these things, and you know, I say,

1349
01:10:58,840 --> 01:11:01,439
you know what, I think it's about time I claim,

1350
01:11:01,439 --> 01:11:04,039
as Shylom in Budapesh.

1351
01:11:05,520 --> 01:11:21,399
Speaker 4: It's the laps Fan wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that

1352
01:11:21,520 --> 01:11:25,000
knows the boys need their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan.

1353
01:11:25,279 --> 01:11:27,199
Speaker 6: Just because we posted a new episode of The Lapsed

1354
01:11:27,239 --> 01:11:29,279
Fan doesn't mean we are done with the campaign to

1355
01:11:29,279 --> 01:11:32,119
take what is rightfully ours. If you haven't yet, vote

1356
01:11:32,159 --> 01:11:34,439
for The Lapsed Fan to win the award for Wrestling

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01:11:34,479 --> 01:11:37,319
Podcast of the Year, click on the show's notes, follow

1358
01:11:37,359 --> 01:11:38,760
the link and do the right thing.

1359
01:11:53,199 --> 01:11:57,119
Speaker 4: He's an Lapsed Fan wrestling podcast with Jack and Carnaco

1360
01:11:57,520 --> 01:11:58,520
and JP Soorro.

1361
01:12:00,159 --> 01:12:03,079
Speaker 1: He writes, Ricky Steamboat and joined Coffee is something I

1362
01:12:03,159 --> 01:12:09,039
never thought I would laugh at. That is what we're

1363
01:12:09,079 --> 01:12:14,439
here for. Hard to step out, Yes, Yes, oh my god,

1364
01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:18,439
it's so good. Another PayPal hit from the Hodie Alexander,

1365
01:12:18,439 --> 01:12:22,239
who writes at jukebox request good boss, oh man, please

1366
01:12:22,239 --> 01:12:25,479
sing missawis theme to the vocals of Lex Luger selling noise.

1367
01:12:25,560 --> 01:12:28,600
I don't think this will disappoint however it comes out.

1368
01:12:29,279 --> 01:12:31,880
Speaker 2: I will do it at some point. I can't do

1369
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:33,439
that tonight. I will do that at some point.

1370
01:12:34,039 --> 01:12:37,439
Speaker 1: But that don't don't let us forget remind us. Yeah,

1371
01:12:37,479 --> 01:12:39,760
you're you're just the victim of where you fell on

1372
01:12:39,840 --> 01:12:45,399
the l box order there, so don't uh, don't fret,

1373
01:12:45,479 --> 01:12:51,079
don't don't lose faith. Fred Denstrow, Ronnie Rudy Casserras, longtime support.

1374
01:12:51,079 --> 01:12:53,079
Always great to see him in the soup. Thanks for

1375
01:12:53,119 --> 01:12:56,000
the support, man, John Calla Hill, Thank you very much.

1376
01:12:56,079 --> 01:13:01,079
Mason Thompson, we appreciate it so very much. Kifa Jay

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Perhaps I want to thank you for the support. Mike Poohland,

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Chris Mann, Gindi Draws, thank you very much for the support.

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Very tall man, very strong pledge. I want to thank you.

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Leo B. Forsyth, Jerome Cussin Maya good longtime supporter. Always

1381
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good to hear from Maya Austin Tyson. Doesn't get much

1382
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better than that. Ross Muller and Brandon Kaiser, the homie,

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Ricardo Barland, thank you very much for your pledge. Shells

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KF and Brad Murphy, Liam McGrath, Tim z Elendbach ossified Caddie,

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we'll take it. Brune, thank you very much for your pledge.

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Johnny Fees, thanks for bumping up what comes our way.

1387
01:13:42,399 --> 01:13:45,479
Same to you, Jason Panditex's thanks so much for the support.

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01:13:45,760 --> 01:13:49,800
Sammy Conduit. We want to thank you for really boosting

1389
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your support to a level that indicates a high level

1390
01:13:52,760 --> 01:13:59,000
of seriousness and a high appreciation. H I appreciation for

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the CoA chairman interrupt you, Sami writes, I'm back. I sorry,

1392
01:14:02,520 --> 01:14:06,479
I sinned. That's all right, it happens. We'll come in,

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01:14:06,560 --> 01:14:08,760
they come out, they cycle in, they cycle out. It's

1394
01:14:09,000 --> 01:14:11,319
the nature of life. But we're like you said earlier,

1395
01:14:11,319 --> 01:14:14,600
we're always here with a with the seat at the

1396
01:14:14,640 --> 01:14:17,880
table for you. We have a place setting just for

1397
01:14:18,000 --> 01:14:21,840
you when if you decide to show up. Huey Bambino

1398
01:14:21,920 --> 01:14:26,880
as well, and Jason Panitec's thanks very much for all

1399
01:14:26,880 --> 01:14:32,279
the support. Let's see who's next as we round third

1400
01:14:32,319 --> 01:14:37,000
here on this feedback marathon. Chris l thank you so

1401
01:14:37,119 --> 01:14:41,800
much for the cake, Andy Yellinick, Steve King, Kevin Jolly

1402
01:14:42,000 --> 01:14:45,800
badly drawn Bob. We'll take it. William Murphy and Mark

1403
01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:48,720
Henry Jay whoever you are. Jay, thank you very much

1404
01:14:49,520 --> 01:14:53,119
for the pledge. Connor Stewart and Justin John Harris Stevenson,

1405
01:14:53,319 --> 01:14:56,760
thank you very much. Great to make John Harris Stevenson's

1406
01:14:56,760 --> 01:15:00,720
acquaintance lately sounds like a true blue member of the

1407
01:15:00,720 --> 01:15:05,079
Solar system, willing to do what it takes to offer support.

1408
01:15:05,720 --> 01:15:09,640
Ray Sanson, Thank you. Mike Berres Berese, Thank you very much.

1409
01:15:09,680 --> 01:15:13,479
Ben Oudsley. We appreciate the support. James Wilson and the

1410
01:15:13,479 --> 01:15:19,960
aforementioned Scott our Young Jake. We appreciate the cake basically,

1411
01:15:21,079 --> 01:15:25,359
and this one is one that I knew we'd get

1412
01:15:25,359 --> 01:15:29,039
to eventually. Do you know the hawk to a girl?

1413
01:15:29,119 --> 01:15:29,800
Do you know what that is?

1414
01:15:31,079 --> 01:15:33,039
Speaker 2: I've heard of it. I don't really know.

1415
01:15:33,119 --> 01:15:38,079
Speaker 1: All right. Joe Boys Joe from Denton, the county seat

1416
01:15:38,079 --> 01:15:41,239
of Denton County, forty miles north of Don Hondolas. I

1417
01:15:41,239 --> 01:15:44,039
think Texans emphasized our geography, he writes, because it is

1418
01:15:44,079 --> 01:15:46,760
so plainly unremarkable. Anyway, I sent you a tongue in

1419
01:15:46,840 --> 01:15:48,920
cheek tweet inquiring about your thoughts on HUK to his

1420
01:15:49,000 --> 01:15:51,159
future endeavors, and you asked me to post the question

1421
01:15:51,199 --> 01:15:53,560
an email, so for posterity stake, I'm going to post

1422
01:15:53,600 --> 01:15:55,520
the tweet verbatim, and then I'll provide some context as

1423
01:15:55,520 --> 01:15:58,000
to why and what the hell the tweet was a

1424
01:15:58,000 --> 01:15:59,600
big draft of the cast. For me, is the commentary

1425
01:15:59,640 --> 01:16:02,479
on modern consumerism and the context of extreme onlinism and

1426
01:16:02,520 --> 01:16:05,359
social media. Jack's rants and this arena received hearty amens

1427
01:16:05,399 --> 01:16:08,239
in my household. All this to ask Jack, what does

1428
01:16:08,279 --> 01:16:10,920
the future hold for hawktua? Okay, the other day I

1429
01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:12,960
was sitting around and became angry that I knew who

1430
01:16:13,000 --> 01:16:15,800
Hawktoua was. I'm forty four, and other than tweeting at

1431
01:16:15,840 --> 01:16:18,399
you occasionally and leaving Patreon comments, I have minimal social

1432
01:16:18,399 --> 01:16:19,920
media presence, and I would like to think I have

1433
01:16:19,920 --> 01:16:22,399
pretty good social media restraint. So why in God's name

1434
01:16:22,439 --> 01:16:25,000
do I know who this knitwit is? I kept thinking

1435
01:16:25,079 --> 01:16:27,520
back to one of Jack's many rants on digital media consumption,

1436
01:16:27,760 --> 01:16:29,800
and although I'm going to butcher this statement, it went

1437
01:16:29,880 --> 01:16:32,039
something to the two. Now, if the idea of fifteen

1438
01:16:32,039 --> 01:16:34,439
minutes of fame existed before social media, I shuddered to

1439
01:16:34,479 --> 01:16:37,119
think what will become of influencers who get fifteen seconds

1440
01:16:37,119 --> 01:16:39,159
of fame only to spend the rest of their waking

1441
01:16:39,159 --> 01:16:41,279
lives trying to make people give a shit about them again.

1442
01:16:41,560 --> 01:16:43,399
And as I thought of this rant, I smiled and

1443
01:16:43,439 --> 01:16:46,479
nodded slowly. I wish no ill will towards Huktua. I'm

1444
01:16:46,520 --> 01:16:48,359
just saddened that I'm going to have to join a

1445
01:16:48,399 --> 01:16:51,159
monastery to dodge howktua two point zero, and I'm not

1446
01:16:51,199 --> 01:16:53,279
even sure if that will do the trick. I would

1447
01:16:53,279 --> 01:16:55,159
love to hear your thoughts on how social media has

1448
01:16:55,159 --> 01:16:58,079
spawned an infinite number of self help hucksters, whether it

1449
01:16:58,119 --> 01:17:02,359
be financial, diet, pet, relationship advice, or whatever fuck else.

1450
01:17:02,560 --> 01:17:04,520
All of a sudden, so many people have life figured

1451
01:17:04,560 --> 01:17:07,760
out and they're dying to share their secrets with you,

1452
01:17:07,840 --> 01:17:11,359
like subscribe and comment. I'm a Cardlin super Mark, So

1453
01:17:11,399 --> 01:17:13,800
I think back to two of my favorites. One thing

1454
01:17:13,800 --> 01:17:15,840
he said is life is not that complicated. You get up,

1455
01:17:15,840 --> 01:17:17,560
you go to work, you eat three meals, you take

1456
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:20,039
one good shit, and you go to bed. Another thing

1457
01:17:20,079 --> 01:17:21,720
he said is if you're looking for self help, why

1458
01:17:21,760 --> 01:17:23,359
would you need to read a book by somebody else.

1459
01:17:23,399 --> 01:17:27,159
That's not self help. That's help, that's help. There's no

1460
01:17:27,199 --> 01:17:29,159
such thing as self help. If you did it yourself,

1461
01:17:29,199 --> 01:17:33,560
you didn't need help. George was so inspirational, concludes because

1462
01:17:33,560 --> 01:17:35,680
he became funnier and sharper with age. God, I missed

1463
01:17:35,720 --> 01:17:38,439
that guy. Yeah, if he was around, man, we would

1464
01:17:38,439 --> 01:17:40,720
have the vocabulary to talk about a lot of the

1465
01:17:40,760 --> 01:17:44,800
absurdity we observe on a daily basis. Since it's passing. Okay, fellows,

1466
01:17:44,800 --> 01:17:48,840
you're the best. Take care. So Hawktua. This is a

1467
01:17:48,880 --> 01:17:51,520
girl from Nashville who was interviewed by one of these

1468
01:17:51,560 --> 01:17:54,720
like content people who hang around like bars and nightclubs

1469
01:17:54,760 --> 01:17:57,439
and try to get girls to say things on camera

1470
01:17:57,640 --> 01:18:02,600
like do you give a head or yes one thousand percent?

1471
01:18:03,840 --> 01:18:06,159
And like now you know, it's a way for these

1472
01:18:06,159 --> 01:18:10,159
guys to get fucking polished off, you know, because oh

1473
01:18:10,199 --> 01:18:12,640
my god, you have followers. Oh my god, you have content.

1474
01:18:12,760 --> 01:18:14,680
Oh my god, you talk. Oh my god, I saw

1475
01:18:14,720 --> 01:18:19,760
your videos. And so she's one of them walking around

1476
01:18:20,399 --> 01:18:23,600
and uh with her friend, and this content creator asks her,

1477
01:18:24,640 --> 01:18:26,359
what does you have to do keep a man satisfied

1478
01:18:26,399 --> 01:18:27,600
or something, and she goes, you got to give him

1479
01:18:27,600 --> 01:18:29,439
that hawk tua, meaning you spit in his dick. And

1480
01:18:29,439 --> 01:18:32,239
that's like, you know, like how iron She just do

1481
01:18:32,279 --> 01:18:33,880
the hawk to a lot of people joked about that

1482
01:18:33,960 --> 01:18:37,319
Originally she said a lot of pizazz and a lot

1483
01:18:37,319 --> 01:18:39,199
of personality and a lot of spark, and she had

1484
01:18:39,239 --> 01:18:41,560
a Southern charm and blah blah blah, and she was

1485
01:18:41,640 --> 01:18:47,119
blonde and tan and brother, yeah, I didn't mean to

1486
01:18:47,239 --> 01:18:52,199
alarm you. And so Hawktua became like a shorthand thing,

1487
01:18:52,359 --> 01:18:54,920
and you know, everyone was talking about it. They named

1488
01:18:54,920 --> 01:18:57,199
her hawk Tua, and then she got a podcast called

1489
01:18:57,399 --> 01:19:02,640
Talk Tua and she's famous because she made a joke about,

1490
01:19:03,359 --> 01:19:06,079
you know, a good hearted joke and with this big

1491
01:19:06,119 --> 01:19:08,079
smile on her face, laughing like one of the guys

1492
01:19:08,079 --> 01:19:09,880
about spitting on a dick, how you gotta do that?

1493
01:19:11,840 --> 01:19:13,840
And so she got like a thing where it's like,

1494
01:19:13,840 --> 01:19:15,880
oh my god, she's everyone's after her. Who is she?

1495
01:19:15,960 --> 01:19:17,880
What's her story? You know how this hall goes like

1496
01:19:17,920 --> 01:19:21,319
who's the hawktail girl? Yeah, you understand, she's here all

1497
01:19:21,319 --> 01:19:23,640
of a sudden, like she gets offered two thousand dollars

1498
01:19:23,680 --> 01:19:26,159
to do something in its news, and she starts making

1499
01:19:26,159 --> 01:19:28,800
a nightclub appearances, whether the fuck she did concerts, She

1500
01:19:28,840 --> 01:19:33,000
shows up at things like that. And I'm glad I

1501
01:19:33,039 --> 01:19:35,479
waited on this because it's a respond to this one,

1502
01:19:35,520 --> 01:19:40,640
because now she's in the middle of a crypto controversy.

1503
01:19:40,800 --> 01:19:43,920
Some may call it a really scam yeah, rug pull

1504
01:19:43,960 --> 01:19:46,840
as it's as it's said in that world where you know,

1505
01:19:46,960 --> 01:19:50,399
a celebrity backs a certain coin and then the value

1506
01:19:50,439 --> 01:19:53,960
of everyone buys in and then the value crashes overnight,

1507
01:19:54,039 --> 01:19:56,880
but the people who started the thing make off to

1508
01:19:56,960 --> 01:19:59,720
the bank with kind of like preferred shares. It's a

1509
01:19:59,720 --> 01:20:02,000
big the thing, and if I miscast it, it's because

1510
01:20:02,039 --> 01:20:06,279
I don't care enough to understand the details. So and

1511
01:20:06,359 --> 01:20:11,560
now it's like she's just another fucking creepo, like, you know,

1512
01:20:11,680 --> 01:20:15,640
scam adjacent influencer type. And that's what Joe's getting at.

1513
01:20:15,840 --> 01:20:19,720
So I guess the idea is like, why, you know,

1514
01:20:19,720 --> 01:20:21,520
why do people like this become famous? What does this

1515
01:20:21,560 --> 01:20:24,119
say about where we're at? It goes back to Paris

1516
01:20:24,159 --> 01:20:27,119
Hilton in a lot of ways. Pam Holderson, I mean,

1517
01:20:27,159 --> 01:20:29,359
it's all it's all the same shit. I mean, you

1518
01:20:29,439 --> 01:20:32,359
make you just become known because you have a sex

1519
01:20:32,399 --> 01:20:35,840
tape or because you're making sexually explicit gestures and references

1520
01:20:36,640 --> 01:20:39,079
or indicating your openness to such. But what I noticed

1521
01:20:39,079 --> 01:20:41,079
about her is we're in an era and now where

1522
01:20:41,159 --> 01:20:46,720
everyone is just waiting for the only fans, so anyone

1523
01:20:46,760 --> 01:20:49,720
cares about if you're hot online all anyone cares.

1524
01:20:49,760 --> 01:20:55,640
Speaker 2: It's actually it's actually, you know, it's I I there

1525
01:20:55,640 --> 01:21:00,279
are some people that I know and and I see

1526
01:21:00,359 --> 01:21:05,159
on their social media, and it's actually disturbing how many

1527
01:21:06,800 --> 01:21:11,840
how people have the the I mean, it's it's the

1528
01:21:11,880 --> 01:21:16,439
social media internet protection, you know, that weird thing of

1529
01:21:16,600 --> 01:21:20,319
asking these women when are you gonna start an only fan?

1530
01:21:20,560 --> 01:21:22,800
Speaker 1: It's like the only thing people care about.

1531
01:21:22,560 --> 01:21:27,119
Speaker 2: Now, right, people like just and it's like, I mean

1532
01:21:27,199 --> 01:21:29,760
it's because I ask you this. I mean, this is

1533
01:21:29,840 --> 01:21:31,680
what when it comes down to it. And that's actually

1534
01:21:31,680 --> 01:21:33,960
what I tell my kid all the time. When when

1535
01:21:35,199 --> 01:21:38,239
you know, when she you know, is texting some some

1536
01:21:40,359 --> 01:21:42,760
you know kind of like any kind of bully shit

1537
01:21:42,880 --> 01:21:45,479
or or some stuff, she's doing it necessarily on purpose.

1538
01:21:45,479 --> 01:21:46,880
I mean, she's getting it from all these things. And

1539
01:21:46,920 --> 01:21:51,239
I say, would you say that to their face? If

1540
01:21:51,239 --> 01:21:52,760
you would say that to their face, then say it

1541
01:21:52,800 --> 01:21:56,520
to whoever you want. But if you couldn't go up

1542
01:21:56,520 --> 01:22:00,319
to this person and look them in the eye and

1543
01:22:00,399 --> 01:22:06,119
say this ship, then don't say it. I mean, it's

1544
01:22:06,119 --> 01:22:13,800
just vile. It's viral, you know, yep, and not just

1545
01:22:13,840 --> 01:22:17,279
say it behind the fucking typing. You know, that's this

1546
01:22:17,359 --> 01:22:19,560
is the This is this weird little cage that people

1547
01:22:19,640 --> 01:22:25,159
have where they're typing. You know, I mean say ship,

1548
01:22:25,439 --> 01:22:27,520
you know, use your real voice if you're going to

1549
01:22:27,600 --> 01:22:31,199
do it, let people hear you say it. Don't just

1550
01:22:31,199 --> 01:22:34,680
sit around there and and and fucking and type it

1551
01:22:34,800 --> 01:22:38,520
and and you know, hide behind your computer or your

1552
01:22:38,560 --> 01:22:42,640
phone or whatever. I've listened. I've said ship on this show.

1553
01:22:43,319 --> 01:22:49,079
I've said ship over the ears, and you know, I uh,

1554
01:22:49,199 --> 01:22:50,920
you know, I don't know if I'd say everything that

1555
01:22:50,960 --> 01:22:52,439
I said to their face. And this is me. I'm

1556
01:22:52,439 --> 01:22:55,359
total hypocrite. Don't get me wrong. I can you can

1557
01:22:55,399 --> 01:22:59,960
call me out on all that ship. But you know

1558
01:23:01,079 --> 01:23:03,000
I'll say this. I'm saying it here, I'm saying in

1559
01:23:03,039 --> 01:23:04,600
front of a bunch of people, and I'm not hiding

1560
01:23:04,640 --> 01:23:07,399
behind it. It's just it's me saying the ship. I'd

1561
01:23:07,399 --> 01:23:08,520
say that. I'll say that much.

1562
01:23:08,600 --> 01:23:10,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, you know, yeah, it's not a pseudonym.

1563
01:23:11,520 --> 01:23:15,479
Speaker 2: I'm not. I'm I going underneath a you know type

1564
01:23:15,520 --> 01:23:17,840
and stuff and like running away basically, you know, like

1565
01:23:17,880 --> 01:23:22,640
being a little fucking chip like I mean, yeah, you know,

1566
01:23:23,399 --> 01:23:30,439
it's just it's yeah, I I I can't, I really

1567
01:23:30,479 --> 01:23:31,199
can't stand it.

1568
01:23:31,239 --> 01:23:36,920
Speaker 1: Like, let's just fucking stop it. It's all because phones

1569
01:23:36,920 --> 01:23:46,560
made everything better, right and uh you know it's all

1570
01:23:46,600 --> 01:23:50,279
get rich quick. That's always that. That's our fatal that's

1571
01:23:50,319 --> 01:23:55,039
our that's our our achilles heel in this country and

1572
01:23:55,079 --> 01:23:55,880
it always will be.

1573
01:23:56,399 --> 01:24:00,399
Speaker 2: And and listen, I'm not there's no I actually have

1574
01:24:00,439 --> 01:24:04,000
no issue with you know if you with people doing OnlyFans.

1575
01:24:04,000 --> 01:24:07,079
I mean I've I've heard some incredible success stories of

1576
01:24:07,560 --> 01:24:09,439
people who are just making a ton of money and

1577
01:24:09,560 --> 01:24:11,840
they're able to kind of keep their own integrity. And

1578
01:24:12,399 --> 01:24:14,800
it's not like you know, but it's just this idea

1579
01:24:14,840 --> 01:24:20,680
that anybody has, the like where do you get the

1580
01:24:20,840 --> 01:24:26,399
entitlement to fucking tell somebody you should you should go

1581
01:24:26,479 --> 01:24:29,199
on this website so that I can pay to see

1582
01:24:29,199 --> 01:24:29,760
you nude.

1583
01:24:31,319 --> 01:24:35,319
Speaker 1: It's and it's just like it's not like it'sn't telling

1584
01:24:35,359 --> 01:24:37,720
the person, it's just like asking is there one this

1585
01:24:37,840 --> 01:24:39,079
this supposition.

1586
01:24:38,720 --> 01:24:40,760
Speaker 2: Or are you going to do it? But I mean

1587
01:24:40,800 --> 01:24:43,319
it's the should, it's the you should do this, you

1588
01:24:43,359 --> 01:24:43,960
should do this.

1589
01:24:44,399 --> 01:24:47,800
Speaker 1: If a girl is a certain age, like the internet

1590
01:24:47,840 --> 01:24:49,840
convinces itself that they could coax them to do it,

1591
01:24:50,079 --> 01:24:53,359
and you know what, they probably can. Like I was

1592
01:24:53,359 --> 01:24:56,479
thinking the other day, like, you know, we didn't have sexting,

1593
01:24:57,000 --> 01:25:01,520
like only fans, Like I mean, god, Uber turned everyone

1594
01:25:01,560 --> 01:25:03,680
in a cab driver, and this is gonna turn everyone

1595
01:25:03,680 --> 01:25:07,680
in a porn star. Yeah right, Because it seems you

1596
01:25:08,479 --> 01:25:10,840
deal drugs in the hood. It's like you go to

1597
01:25:10,880 --> 01:25:16,000
McDonald's and make you know, minimum wage, which is higher

1598
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:17,760
than has ever been. I get it. Blah blah blah, inflation,

1599
01:25:17,880 --> 01:25:21,439
make all your jokes shut the fuck up. But I

1600
01:25:21,439 --> 01:25:24,159
don't do you know how much fucking money I can

1601
01:25:24,199 --> 01:25:25,960
make work in these corners? Do you have any idea

1602
01:25:25,960 --> 01:25:29,600
how much money m M for someone who knows that

1603
01:25:31,960 --> 01:25:34,800
it's in the odds are infinitesically small that I'm gonna

1604
01:25:34,800 --> 01:25:38,479
be able to break out into into a high earning

1605
01:25:38,520 --> 01:25:42,000
positions in white collar America like who's shipping? Who here?

1606
01:25:42,239 --> 01:25:43,880
You don't want to hire me, I don't want to

1607
01:25:43,920 --> 01:25:46,399
work for you, and you can pretend you want to

1608
01:25:46,479 --> 01:25:49,279
hire me, but when push comes to shove, you're not

1609
01:25:49,319 --> 01:25:54,439
gonna pay me the fucking money. I can make movie packs, okay,

1610
01:25:55,359 --> 01:25:59,119
And that's exactly what's happening only fans side. I'm like, God,

1611
01:25:59,199 --> 01:26:01,840
look at my account. Oh my god, six hundred thousand

1612
01:26:01,880 --> 01:26:05,399
dollars on a podcast that doesn't exist for the purpose

1613
01:26:05,399 --> 01:26:07,960
of a real showing someone on your phone with the dollar.

1614
01:26:08,199 --> 01:26:11,680
That's it. It was just just cares about fucking direct

1615
01:26:11,720 --> 01:26:20,359
deposits and receipts and and it's it's so weird because

1616
01:26:20,399 --> 01:26:22,640
I feel like she became famous because people were like,

1617
01:26:22,720 --> 01:26:25,359
is she gonna get naked? And she doesn't, and she didn't,

1618
01:26:25,600 --> 01:26:28,399
And she actually has a pretty cool personality. I've seen

1619
01:26:28,399 --> 01:26:30,720
her kind of carry on and interview formats and stuff.

1620
01:26:30,720 --> 01:26:32,960
But you know, whatever, you're gonna fall into that, or

1621
01:26:33,000 --> 01:26:34,720
you're gonna be like that girl in the UK who

1622
01:26:35,680 --> 01:26:38,520
who went viral for lining up a fucking one hundred

1623
01:26:38,520 --> 01:26:40,840
guys showing up at a condo somewhere in England and

1624
01:26:40,920 --> 01:26:44,640
just airing her out. And then everyone's like, oh me,

1625
01:26:44,680 --> 01:26:47,520
good documentary about her anguish, when really that's just somebody

1626
01:26:47,560 --> 01:26:52,279
else attaching themselves to the the pure and interest of

1627
01:26:52,560 --> 01:26:55,640
this girl taking that many dicks. It was kind of like,

1628
01:26:56,439 --> 01:26:59,560
you know, it's like whenever whenever, like a journalist or

1629
01:26:59,560 --> 01:27:03,039
a documentary and does something about porn. I'm always very suspicious,

1630
01:27:03,079 --> 01:27:05,199
you know, even if they take the subject hyper seriously

1631
01:27:05,239 --> 01:27:09,239
and they and their work is relevatory, they just want

1632
01:27:09,279 --> 01:27:12,920
to be around porn, you know. They went like a

1633
01:27:12,960 --> 01:27:17,920
pretext to watch these people get absolutely waylaid, of course,

1634
01:27:19,800 --> 01:27:21,680
and I just I just think it's kind of a

1635
01:27:22,960 --> 01:27:28,520
it's kind of a strange and unfortunate thing where we've

1636
01:27:28,600 --> 01:27:30,960
now like seem to have reached a point in terms

1637
01:27:30,960 --> 01:27:37,000
of online discourse where everyone's posting these these pictures of

1638
01:27:37,039 --> 01:27:39,560
themselves and instead of it being vanity like it used

1639
01:27:39,560 --> 01:27:42,760
to be, instead of it being you know, something designed

1640
01:27:42,800 --> 01:27:46,520
to kill and crush your enemies with jealousy, it's now

1641
01:27:46,640 --> 01:27:51,279
actually a bit of commerce. It's actually trying to set

1642
01:27:51,319 --> 01:27:53,239
the hook. So you go down this rabbit hole of

1643
01:27:53,319 --> 01:27:57,119
links where you end up being asked to pay for

1644
01:27:57,159 --> 01:28:00,640
the only fans, and it's all over the place. It's

1645
01:28:00,720 --> 01:28:03,159
you know, and it's more explicit on some platforms than others,

1646
01:28:03,760 --> 01:28:05,920
and it's crypto adjacent. So a lot of it like

1647
01:28:06,039 --> 01:28:08,960
ends up being like you build up a following by

1648
01:28:09,039 --> 01:28:12,399
teasing showing nudity, and then that following is then leveraged

1649
01:28:12,439 --> 01:28:14,399
to try to get people into a into a new

1650
01:28:14,399 --> 01:28:18,359
crypto coin and build that up. And it's all built

1651
01:28:18,399 --> 01:28:21,600
on this idea. It's the it's the oldest salesmanship in

1652
01:28:21,640 --> 01:28:26,399
the book, that like you're smarter than everybody else, you

1653
01:28:26,479 --> 01:28:29,239
know how to make money quicker than everybody else. Here's

1654
01:28:29,279 --> 01:28:33,520
a guy with an open collar who is like young

1655
01:28:33,600 --> 01:28:36,000
and tan, and he's had spiked hair, and he says

1656
01:28:36,039 --> 01:28:40,800
he's got one hundred million dollars and he he's he

1657
01:28:40,920 --> 01:28:45,319
flips property like it's like the set. You know, I

1658
01:28:45,399 --> 01:28:47,880
always picture like these run down neighborhoods and like there's

1659
01:28:47,920 --> 01:28:51,680
this like this this renovation going on for no reason,

1660
01:28:51,720 --> 01:28:54,920
and this jackass shows up in like Gucci shoes walking

1661
01:28:54,920 --> 01:28:57,359
around the construction site. You know, I don't care how

1662
01:28:57,439 --> 01:29:00,359
much money he's making. You couldn't fucking pay me enough

1663
01:29:01,159 --> 01:29:04,079
to carry on like that douchebag. And the way he's

1664
01:29:04,119 --> 01:29:06,800
got to think and look and act and consider, and

1665
01:29:08,279 --> 01:29:11,039
the disdain he has to have for people, and the

1666
01:29:11,119 --> 01:29:17,600
rent seeking fucking you know, heard of everything he does.

1667
01:29:18,720 --> 01:29:23,439
So I don't know, I'm I'm very uh. I don't

1668
01:29:23,439 --> 01:29:25,159
want to go in on her. I don't think she's

1669
01:29:25,199 --> 01:29:27,199
like some kind of disaster because she's had a chance

1670
01:29:27,279 --> 01:29:31,720
to show that she actually is a pretty interesting, like

1671
01:29:31,840 --> 01:29:35,720
kind of personality, interesting in that she's not somebody that

1672
01:29:35,720 --> 01:29:37,720
you like Paris Hilton, you look at like she doesn't

1673
01:29:37,760 --> 01:29:41,399
even talk, she can't talk, like she can't say anything,

1674
01:29:41,439 --> 01:29:44,840
Like she just can stand there. But that doesn't mean

1675
01:29:44,880 --> 01:29:49,359
she It doesn't mean she can't easily be convinced that

1676
01:29:49,399 --> 01:29:53,159
everybody but her is a sucker and end up scamming

1677
01:29:53,239 --> 01:29:56,000
fuckers and end up in the company of people who

1678
01:29:56,119 --> 01:30:02,640
use her following for nothing but ill gotten gains. So

1679
01:30:02,680 --> 01:30:05,079
it's become a much more complicated story this talk to

1680
01:30:05,199 --> 01:30:07,319
of things since the serial was sent and we went

1681
01:30:07,319 --> 01:30:08,840
in a lot of different directions there. But I hope

1682
01:30:08,840 --> 01:30:13,800
that satisfies what you were looking for, Joe.

1683
01:30:12,960 --> 01:30:14,680
Speaker 2: And I just don't know shit about it.

1684
01:30:14,800 --> 01:30:18,800
Speaker 1: If you know, if you're in high school today, you're

1685
01:30:18,840 --> 01:30:24,039
just waiting to see the nudes, yep, exactly, just waiting

1686
01:30:24,039 --> 01:30:25,760
to see the nudes, and when they become a.

1687
01:30:25,800 --> 01:30:31,279
Speaker 2: Vade, waiting to get off your your your parents, uh finances,

1688
01:30:31,319 --> 01:30:33,319
so you can start paying for the ship on your own.

1689
01:30:33,840 --> 01:30:37,279
Speaker 1: And what happens when nobody wants to pay for your

1690
01:30:37,319 --> 01:30:42,640
only fans anymore? Because that's coming. What's next, Yeah, I

1691
01:30:42,680 --> 01:30:45,199
know that's gonna be. The platforms new enough that most

1692
01:30:45,199 --> 01:30:46,560
people are still young.

1693
01:30:46,640 --> 01:30:50,119
Speaker 2: Somebody's gonna get bored. We're still in the earl, gonna

1694
01:30:50,159 --> 01:30:52,079
get bored. Somebody's gonna get bored. And you're gonna get

1695
01:30:52,079 --> 01:30:55,960
old unless people are gonna want to look at it. Yep.

1696
01:30:56,399 --> 01:31:00,159
Speaker 1: And you're not gonna save that money. You're gonna by

1697
01:31:00,159 --> 01:31:03,960
all kinds of things to convince yourself that you've hacked

1698
01:31:04,000 --> 01:31:06,520
life and can afford a lifestyle that will have no

1699
01:31:07,479 --> 01:31:10,159
consistency to it. The earning. The earning stream will have

1700
01:31:10,199 --> 01:31:13,199
no consistency to it. There will be like a year

1701
01:31:13,239 --> 01:31:15,520
where all of a sudden, you make sixty percent less

1702
01:31:15,520 --> 01:31:18,119
than you made, and you're gonna have all these fucking

1703
01:31:18,159 --> 01:31:21,560
bills for this lifestyle. And maybe maybe I'm wrong, Maybe

1704
01:31:21,600 --> 01:31:24,640
these maybe these girls are stashing it away in like

1705
01:31:24,720 --> 01:31:26,880
some kind of like investment vehicle when it's just sitting

1706
01:31:26,920 --> 01:31:28,880
there and growing and they're not gonna use it all

1707
01:31:28,880 --> 01:31:31,720
at once. But I somehow doubt it, because if that's

1708
01:31:31,720 --> 01:31:35,159
your mentality, then I should have no fucking idea how

1709
01:31:35,239 --> 01:31:37,239
much you make, because you sho gonna be running around

1710
01:31:37,279 --> 01:31:41,560
parading it attention seeking behavior. It'll be your downfall every time.

1711
01:31:42,399 --> 01:31:47,439
That's all I'll say about that. Moving forward here on

1712
01:31:47,479 --> 01:31:49,520
the Feedback Show, We're almost done bossed. Do you believe

1713
01:31:49,520 --> 01:31:50,119
me when I say that?

1714
01:31:51,319 --> 01:31:53,239
Speaker 2: I never believe it when you say that.

1715
01:31:53,279 --> 01:31:55,720
Speaker 1: Growing up in Ireland, Steve says, you'd be amazed by

1716
01:31:55,760 --> 01:31:57,760
how many characters like McRory you meet in day to

1717
01:31:57,840 --> 01:32:01,239
day life completely agree with the co chairs that it

1718
01:32:01,319 --> 01:32:04,039
boiled down to Ireland versus Britton feelings. This is back

1719
01:32:04,079 --> 01:32:09,199
to the bond stuff. Fleming was probably friends with or

1720
01:32:09,239 --> 01:32:11,800
related to, people in government who helped negotiate the Treaty

1721
01:32:11,800 --> 01:32:14,960
for Irish Independence that didn't grant Ireland full independence, and

1722
01:32:15,000 --> 01:32:17,279
then to a highly contentious relationship between our countries and

1723
01:32:17,359 --> 01:32:20,399
McCrory growing up and oh sure, growing up in an

1724
01:32:20,439 --> 01:32:23,319
Irish free state would definitely have heard of this and

1725
01:32:23,359 --> 01:32:25,560
the stories of Bloody Sunday and other similar massacres and

1726
01:32:25,560 --> 01:32:28,880
war crimes during the East Rising War of Independence in

1727
01:32:28,920 --> 01:32:32,119
Civil War, McCrory probably convinced himself by out smarting Fleming

1728
01:32:32,399 --> 01:32:36,520
he had struck a blow for Irish nationalism. Is that

1729
01:32:36,560 --> 01:32:38,600
what he was after was he just pissed that Fleming

1730
01:32:38,720 --> 01:32:42,800
was a brit I mean, there's part of that for sure.

1731
01:32:42,920 --> 01:32:45,520
You know, there there was definitely some stuff that implied

1732
01:32:45,560 --> 01:32:48,880
that that he was. Yeah, that there because I mean

1733
01:32:48,920 --> 01:32:54,279
I think even I think we I think there was

1734
01:32:54,319 --> 01:32:54,960
something in.

1735
01:32:54,880 --> 01:33:05,079
Speaker 2: There about even Fleming looking down McClory because he was Irish. Yep.

1736
01:33:05,720 --> 01:33:08,439
Speaker 1: I think that's probably most of it. And he's such

1737
01:33:08,439 --> 01:33:11,159
a stubborn fuck that he just made it his lifelong

1738
01:33:11,199 --> 01:33:14,000
obsession and didn't have as much to do with Bond

1739
01:33:14,000 --> 01:33:15,680
a claim on Bond as it had to do with

1740
01:33:15,720 --> 01:33:16,720
his politics and his.

1741
01:33:17,520 --> 01:33:19,800
Speaker 2: No And I always said too, I think it's a

1742
01:33:19,840 --> 01:33:22,199
mix of that. I also think it's just came having

1743
01:33:22,199 --> 01:33:25,720
a chip on his shoulder. I think that if if

1744
01:33:26,760 --> 01:33:32,760
if there had been if if Fleming had given him

1745
01:33:34,000 --> 01:33:38,560
money or given him credit on the book, or even mentioned, hey,

1746
01:33:38,600 --> 01:33:40,920
I'm going to turn this one into a book. I'll

1747
01:33:40,920 --> 01:33:44,960
give you credit for it, then nothing would have happened.

1748
01:33:46,199 --> 01:33:49,319
It all stemmed from the fact that Fleming didn't give

1749
01:33:49,439 --> 01:33:53,880
credit in any way to Kevin McClory or give him

1750
01:33:53,880 --> 01:33:59,560
a paycheck. And that is it. I mean, that is

1751
01:33:59,600 --> 01:34:01,920
not it it, But that's like one of the key

1752
01:34:02,560 --> 01:34:07,960
reasons it's just pure ego, trementous and and and and

1753
01:34:07,960 --> 01:34:11,399
and listen the national the politics stuff. Sure, I have

1754
01:34:11,479 --> 01:34:16,560
no doubt that that that that. Uh uh, I would

1755
01:34:16,560 --> 01:34:19,479
say it's probably a third of it. A third, Yeah,

1756
01:34:19,520 --> 01:34:23,560
you know, i'd probably I would. I I do think

1757
01:34:23,600 --> 01:34:27,920
that the the ego thing, I think that was the majority.

1758
01:34:30,039 --> 01:34:31,960
So I don't know what the what the percentage would be,

1759
01:34:32,000 --> 01:34:35,119
but that's the majority. But then you know, right there

1760
01:34:35,159 --> 01:34:40,479
also the politics and then also the greed.

1761
01:34:41,119 --> 01:34:43,239
Speaker 1: Well basically let me know if you disagree with this,

1762
01:34:44,520 --> 01:34:45,640
Kevin McClory.

1763
01:34:49,159 --> 01:34:50,720
Speaker 2: I completely agree with that.

1764
01:34:51,359 --> 01:34:54,600
Speaker 1: Al from Queen's has an interesting one. First time, long

1765
01:34:54,600 --> 01:34:57,359
time congratulations on tlf X. I have one question that

1766
01:34:57,399 --> 01:35:00,199
I'm hoping you'll answer. Tlf started ten years ago based

1767
01:35:00,199 --> 01:35:01,920
in the premise that it used to be better. My

1768
01:35:02,039 --> 01:35:04,439
question is this, was it better ten years ago when

1769
01:35:04,479 --> 01:35:07,119
you started TLF than it is today? So not was

1770
01:35:07,159 --> 01:35:09,600
it better when we were you know, young, and I'm

1771
01:35:09,600 --> 01:35:10,880
better in twenty fourteen?

1772
01:35:12,239 --> 01:35:12,359
Speaker 2: Well?

1773
01:35:12,479 --> 01:35:12,520
Speaker 3: Was?

1774
01:35:12,560 --> 01:35:15,640
Speaker 2: I mean twenty fourteen, that's the thing, right, I remember.

1775
01:35:16,239 --> 01:35:19,239
Speaker 1: Well, the prospects for the network were better, that's for sure.

1776
01:35:20,079 --> 01:35:21,680
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean the network was better.

1777
01:35:22,319 --> 01:35:24,359
Speaker 1: Sure, the idea of this like emerging way that we

1778
01:35:24,359 --> 01:35:26,640
could watch everything WW had and the vault was fucking

1779
01:35:26,640 --> 01:35:28,920
intoxicating and led to the creation of the show. I

1780
01:35:28,920 --> 01:35:32,960
couldn't possibly be that excited now about that because it's

1781
01:35:32,960 --> 01:35:35,880
going in the opposite direction. We've had it and it's

1782
01:35:35,880 --> 01:35:38,640
been taken away from us a little bit in Peacock

1783
01:35:38,680 --> 01:35:41,640
and now even more coming up in terms of ease

1784
01:35:41,720 --> 01:35:46,399
of access. Ye. Yeah, I mean it was kind of

1785
01:35:46,439 --> 01:35:51,039
before politics was about you know, who's going to lead

1786
01:35:51,079 --> 01:35:53,079
to the destruction of the country. First it was less

1787
01:35:53,119 --> 01:35:53,479
like that.

1788
01:35:53,880 --> 01:35:54,319
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1789
01:35:54,399 --> 01:36:02,439
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's fucking annoying. It's uh see twenty fourteen, what

1790
01:36:02,560 --> 01:36:08,800
else was better? There weren't as many like empty haulied

1791
01:36:08,800 --> 01:36:10,000
out stores and stuff.

1792
01:36:11,119 --> 01:36:13,319
Speaker 2: Yeah no, no, yeah, we were still in a pre

1793
01:36:13,359 --> 01:36:14,479
COVID America just.

1794
01:36:14,520 --> 01:36:18,239
Speaker 1: Or world significantly, so we just lost Party City. Those

1795
01:36:18,279 --> 01:36:25,199
are all closing. Wow, it's like, fuck, that's I think

1796
01:36:25,199 --> 01:36:28,520
that sucks. Don't give a care if Party City is open.

1797
01:36:28,560 --> 01:36:30,800
I just mean, like, you know, in general, like you

1798
01:36:30,840 --> 01:36:32,880
didn't have to Yeah when when stuff like that starts

1799
01:36:32,880 --> 01:36:35,159
going away, Yeah, you didn't feel like anything that has

1800
01:36:35,399 --> 01:36:37,680
hitting history to it is on the brink of fucking

1801
01:36:39,319 --> 01:36:43,720
leveraged bankruptcy. Bullshit fucking you know, can't pay its debt,

1802
01:36:43,760 --> 01:36:50,039
so we're going to close everything. Situation. What else? Social

1803
01:36:50,079 --> 01:36:55,039
media was better? Way better? Yeah, better because people used

1804
01:36:55,039 --> 01:36:57,880
it in much more moderation because their phones weren't quite

1805
01:36:57,920 --> 01:37:00,600
as powerful in terms of being able to access and

1806
01:37:00,720 --> 01:37:03,560
update the image. The images wasn't such a big part

1807
01:37:03,560 --> 01:37:05,000
of it. That hit me the other day. It's like,

1808
01:37:06,000 --> 01:37:10,000
what really fucked us is images on social Like if

1809
01:37:10,039 --> 01:37:13,399
it was mostly text, we'd be we'd beat each other's throats,

1810
01:37:13,399 --> 01:37:16,520
but it wouldn't be there wouldn't be this commercial aspect,

1811
01:37:16,640 --> 01:37:19,079
and people wouldn't be able to make as much money

1812
01:37:19,079 --> 01:37:21,640
off of keeping people at odds with each other as

1813
01:37:21,680 --> 01:37:23,039
they can by.

1814
01:37:23,119 --> 01:37:27,199
Speaker 2: Well also too, you know that the pictures don't to me,

1815
01:37:27,319 --> 01:37:30,600
weren't as much of a of a of of of

1816
01:37:30,640 --> 01:37:36,199
a problem as it is these these short videos, these

1817
01:37:36,239 --> 01:37:40,760
TikTok videos. But now everyone has everyone's doing them, and

1818
01:37:41,760 --> 01:37:43,800
you know, and there's just no there's like, there's no

1819
01:37:43,920 --> 01:37:46,680
thought put into it. There's no it's just like it's

1820
01:37:46,720 --> 01:37:51,520
just you know, it's it's like I'm gonna do a

1821
01:37:51,560 --> 01:37:55,000
transition change and you're gonna see me in the morning

1822
01:37:55,159 --> 01:37:58,920
looking like a fucking you know, a blob of goo,

1823
01:37:59,119 --> 01:38:02,039
but then in two seconds I'm gonna be all gussied

1824
01:38:02,119 --> 01:38:06,600
up and looking fell Yeah. Those really, you know, like

1825
01:38:06,800 --> 01:38:10,159
the whole thing, like the fact that you can't go anywhere,

1826
01:38:10,199 --> 01:38:17,000
there's not everybody. Everybody is doing these shorts, these minute

1827
01:38:17,039 --> 01:38:20,880
long shorts, and it's like you just you cannot get

1828
01:38:20,880 --> 01:38:21,479
away from it.

1829
01:38:22,359 --> 01:38:26,600
Speaker 1: I was like, like they have disabilities, like they're acting

1830
01:38:26,680 --> 01:38:33,640
like they have like like spontaneous impulse control problems, you know,

1831
01:38:33,720 --> 01:38:36,399
like they have to they have problems. They have to dance.

1832
01:38:37,079 --> 01:38:42,279
Everyone's dancing. Nothing against dancing, but George Carlin once said,

1833
01:38:42,399 --> 01:38:45,760
you know, people who are dancing appear insane to those

1834
01:38:45,760 --> 01:38:48,399
who can hear the music, and.

1835
01:38:48,159 --> 01:38:50,359
Speaker 2: Which is actually funny because I did do one of those.

1836
01:38:51,279 --> 01:38:55,159
We went to a wedding and it was a very

1837
01:38:55,159 --> 01:38:55,840
small I.

1838
01:38:55,760 --> 01:38:58,199
Speaker 1: Mean I see people like this on the street.

1839
01:38:57,880 --> 01:39:02,960
Speaker 2: But they have you dance in the headphones. They like,

1840
01:39:02,960 --> 01:39:03,640
give you a headphones.

1841
01:39:03,880 --> 01:39:05,399
Speaker 1: Ye mean, I saw that.

1842
01:39:05,720 --> 01:39:08,720
Speaker 2: It's so fucking funny. It actually is the most funniest thing.

1843
01:39:08,680 --> 01:39:10,319
Speaker 1: Is Yeah, when you have the headphones on though, it's

1844
01:39:10,319 --> 01:39:11,359
like totally fine.

1845
01:39:11,439 --> 01:39:13,600
Speaker 2: Just right right, But then you know, I took video

1846
01:39:13,880 --> 01:39:15,800
of it. And it's just like you're just a bunch

1847
01:39:15,800 --> 01:39:17,000
of fucking idiots moving.

1848
01:39:16,800 --> 01:39:21,439
Speaker 1: From you hear their shoes clapping on the ground while right, yeah,

1849
01:39:21,479 --> 01:39:23,680
it's spectacular, and that's that's where we're at. To me,

1850
01:39:24,239 --> 01:39:26,279
to me, like, if it's on TikTok, I can't hear

1851
01:39:26,319 --> 01:39:29,039
the music, I just hear I just see people acting like.

1852
01:39:30,760 --> 01:39:33,960
Speaker 2: But it's also the way that TikTok has you know,

1853
01:39:34,079 --> 01:39:36,680
I'm not a fan of TikTok. I think TikTok is

1854
01:39:36,720 --> 01:39:41,359
a complete disease and I hate it. I hate it

1855
01:39:41,399 --> 01:39:49,600
because it's it's an attention ruinings yes, uh form of escapism,

1856
01:39:50,520 --> 01:39:55,279
and so I I don't let my kid go on TikTok.

1857
01:39:55,319 --> 01:39:57,840
And actually I recently took just pretty much all videos

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01:39:57,880 --> 01:40:00,119
away and it was funny. So the the other day,

1859
01:40:00,159 --> 01:40:03,079
you know, she was like, well, can I have you know,

1860
01:40:03,119 --> 01:40:06,720
can I can I still use Pinterest? And I was like, yeah, fine, Pinterest,

1861
01:40:06,840 --> 01:40:09,439
Like you know, I know my wife does Pinterest. I

1862
01:40:09,439 --> 01:40:11,319
know you just you just post, you know, put a

1863
01:40:11,319 --> 01:40:14,520
bunch of things up there that you're interested in. They

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01:40:14,520 --> 01:40:18,920
do videos now, they do TikTok shorts basically got to

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01:40:19,039 --> 01:40:21,319
demo the products in the same fucking thing. And I'm

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01:40:21,319 --> 01:40:25,000
like no, like no, we can't do this, Like we

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01:40:25,039 --> 01:40:28,279
need to move away. It's just like fucking Ryan, it

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01:40:28,399 --> 01:40:32,039
is stupid ass toys. I gotta get away from it

1869
01:40:32,039 --> 01:40:37,920
because it is. It is toxic. It's and listen, it's

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01:40:37,960 --> 01:40:41,960
bad enough for adults, Okay, it is, but it's worse

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01:40:42,000 --> 01:40:48,199
for kids. And unfortunately kids are are are you know,

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01:40:48,239 --> 01:40:51,840
it's these things are a magnet to kids and it's

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01:40:52,079 --> 01:40:57,119
a disaster. It's a disaster. All the ship is a

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01:40:57,119 --> 01:41:01,000
disaster for for for this general of kids. And you know,

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I would imagine, you know, when our kids are older

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01:41:04,560 --> 01:41:07,399
and they've got kids, if they choose to have kids,

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01:41:08,039 --> 01:41:13,560
they they will there will hopefully be a better understanding

1878
01:41:13,720 --> 01:41:16,439
and a better way to go about it. But it's

1879
01:41:16,439 --> 01:41:19,880
like the fucking wild West with this generation, you know,

1880
01:41:20,000 --> 01:41:23,760
because they're kids. They're like the first or second generation

1881
01:41:23,840 --> 01:41:29,000
who's growing up with phones in their hands. Yeah, and

1882
01:41:29,319 --> 01:41:31,720
it's a way of life. It's like it's not necessarily

1883
01:41:31,800 --> 01:41:34,000
like you know, it's not like we can hide this stuff.

1884
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Speaker 1: It's not like we can say, choose this path. It's

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01:41:36,159 --> 01:41:36,720
the only path.

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01:41:36,760 --> 01:41:40,199
Speaker 2: Because they need it. They're gonna need it. They're going

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01:41:40,239 --> 01:41:42,840
to need their phone, and I get that, but it's

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01:41:42,880 --> 01:41:47,359
also like they they when they're there. We were all

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01:41:47,479 --> 01:41:50,800
adults when we got these phones, and we kind of understand,

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01:41:53,039 --> 01:41:56,239
you know, we understand what it is like, we understand

1891
01:41:56,279 --> 01:41:58,279
what is going on with this, and yes, maybe we

1892
01:41:58,319 --> 01:42:01,600
all get sucked in sometimes is where scrolling through something.

1893
01:42:01,640 --> 01:42:08,119
But at the same time, I'm not getting manipulated by it.

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01:42:09,159 --> 01:42:13,760
I'm not sitting there basing what I'm doing. I'm not

1895
01:42:15,319 --> 01:42:18,319
being getting interested in skincare because of the videos that

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01:42:18,399 --> 01:42:22,000
I watch. I'm not basically deciding that this is what

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01:42:22,079 --> 01:42:29,600
I need to do to be accepted, to be you know, admired,

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01:42:29,800 --> 01:42:35,479
to be seen. And that's the problem. Sure, they're not there,

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01:42:35,520 --> 01:42:37,920
they're you know, that's that's the real issue.

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01:42:38,079 --> 01:42:40,920
Speaker 1: It's amazing how I'm supposed to be this great democratizing

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01:42:40,960 --> 01:42:44,039
technology and supposed to give us access to all kinds

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01:42:44,079 --> 01:42:49,239
of perspectives and the styles, trends, thoughts, outlooks that different

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01:42:49,319 --> 01:42:51,960
from ours. That was the promise of the Internet, and

1904
01:42:51,960 --> 01:42:52,920
in connected.

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01:42:52,640 --> 01:42:54,880
Speaker 2: It will it will at some point, it will when

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01:42:54,920 --> 01:42:57,720
when they fucking everyone seems to use it to make

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01:42:57,760 --> 01:43:01,720
sure that they're exactly like everybody else, right, which is

1908
01:43:01,800 --> 01:43:04,319
hilarious because why do you even need the phone then

1909
01:43:04,399 --> 01:43:07,920
just copy each other, right, And I mean it's like

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01:43:07,960 --> 01:43:09,920
it's funny because the whole idea is that, you know,

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01:43:10,000 --> 01:43:13,399
these kinds of things were supposed to open the idea,

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01:43:13,680 --> 01:43:17,119
open the mind to being more yourself than not.

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01:43:17,119 --> 01:43:20,279
Speaker 1: Not it's not that at all, because that's boring, Like,

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01:43:21,600 --> 01:43:25,399
you know, yeah, the Arab Spring. It's like, you know,

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01:43:26,159 --> 01:43:30,600
Facebook leading to like cultural revolution in a country that

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01:43:30,640 --> 01:43:35,039
then installs a government that's ten times worse because the

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01:43:35,039 --> 01:43:37,960
will of the people. It's like, we've been through enough

1918
01:43:38,000 --> 01:43:40,760
repetitions of pretending that this technology is going to set

1919
01:43:40,840 --> 01:43:43,479
us free, and we realize that in almost every case,

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01:43:43,720 --> 01:43:47,920
the unintended consequences overwhelm any positive effect it has for

1921
01:43:48,000 --> 01:43:50,399
every relative you can stay in touch with. Because of Facebook,

1922
01:43:50,399 --> 01:43:53,760
you're at war with six more, right, And that's just

1923
01:43:53,920 --> 01:43:55,800
something that would not be the case if the platform

1924
01:43:55,840 --> 01:43:59,760
didn't exist. That is the platform's fault. That is not

1925
01:44:00,159 --> 01:44:02,680
to suggest that people made the platform to create that,

1926
01:44:02,920 --> 01:44:05,600
but they're certainly not adjusting the platform to prevent it

1927
01:44:06,640 --> 01:44:09,680
because you can't, you cannot, for a second, do anything

1928
01:44:09,720 --> 01:44:13,800
that will discourage people from staying on platform. It's very,

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01:44:13,920 --> 01:44:17,319
very simple, and even as everyone's been made a hip

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01:44:17,359 --> 01:44:20,560
to that, they can't stop. They even get worse. And

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01:44:20,600 --> 01:44:24,920
these these these these people are are just taking their

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01:44:24,960 --> 01:44:30,239
phones out and recording themselves dancing in public. Yeah, and

1933
01:44:30,279 --> 01:44:33,520
I hope they're having fun, But I don't get the

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01:44:33,560 --> 01:44:36,800
sense they're doing the video to have fun. I get

1935
01:44:36,800 --> 01:44:40,880
the sense they're doing the video because there's something missing, yes,

1936
01:44:40,960 --> 01:44:43,159
and they're trying to smile through it. I can't help

1937
01:44:43,199 --> 01:44:44,760
but see tragedy in a lot of these things. And

1938
01:44:44,800 --> 01:44:47,119
maybe I'm just something, just a weirdo, and that's but

1939
01:44:48,279 --> 01:44:51,079
I don't know. There's there's too many in the email

1940
01:44:51,079 --> 01:44:53,000
are touched on it. There's too many of these like

1941
01:44:53,640 --> 01:44:57,039
life coach people who end up, you know, doing the

1942
01:44:57,079 --> 01:44:59,640
heart felt like video in two years about how they

1943
01:44:59,640 --> 01:45:03,359
had to like get divorced and you know, their kids

1944
01:45:03,359 --> 01:45:05,960
fucking hate them, and it's like and they were out

1945
01:45:06,000 --> 01:45:08,000
there trying to tell us how to live, you know,

1946
01:45:09,640 --> 01:45:15,319
try to tell us, like, you know, just just eat

1947
01:45:15,439 --> 01:45:19,800
a California diet and everything's gonna be fine. Yeah, and

1948
01:45:19,880 --> 01:45:24,840
California has highest doors right in Cana. Fucking misery all

1949
01:45:24,840 --> 01:45:28,520
over the place. I don't know, it's it's very uh,

1950
01:45:28,760 --> 01:45:32,640
we're a very weird time where when people are their

1951
01:45:32,680 --> 01:45:40,079
most vulnerable, they seem to think that projecting confidence online

1952
01:45:40,159 --> 01:45:43,920
is the answer. And it's like I just see it

1953
01:45:43,960 --> 01:45:47,039
as a as a as a cry for help, not

1954
01:45:47,079 --> 01:45:49,840
for not for a sign of a some kind of

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01:45:49,920 --> 01:45:53,760
personal rediscovery. You know, these are damaged people. You know.

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01:45:53,800 --> 01:45:57,359
It's like like the a lot of like the alternative

1957
01:45:57,359 --> 01:45:59,680
medicine world and like the yoga and spiritual healing world

1958
01:45:59,680 --> 01:46:01,520
and stuff, a lot of people like had drawna they

1959
01:46:01,560 --> 01:46:03,960
had drawn to that because they ended up getting some

1960
01:46:04,039 --> 01:46:07,039
kind of a chronic disease that modern medicine couldn't allay

1961
01:46:07,079 --> 01:46:10,079
their pain well enough, right, And so of course, I mean,

1962
01:46:10,079 --> 01:46:12,560
if you're in fucking agony and you've been given this

1963
01:46:12,600 --> 01:46:15,479
fucking life sentence for agony, of course you're going to

1964
01:46:15,520 --> 01:46:19,039
seek out somebody that promises, you know, somebody. First of all,

1965
01:46:19,039 --> 01:46:22,760
that says, of course you know, of course you're not

1966
01:46:22,760 --> 01:46:24,800
getting any better because you're trusting doctors, and that would

1967
01:46:24,800 --> 01:46:28,079
be stupid, and I'm not of course, you know they're

1968
01:46:28,119 --> 01:46:31,199
idiot doctors, just like they're idiot anybody else. But you know,

1969
01:46:32,680 --> 01:46:34,479
it's like I don't know anything about this shit, so

1970
01:46:34,520 --> 01:46:38,399
that's why you should follow me, you know, right right right.

1971
01:46:38,439 --> 01:46:40,560
It's like, well, I don't know. I think you need

1972
01:46:40,600 --> 01:46:46,520
to know something before. And it's but they know how

1973
01:46:46,560 --> 01:46:50,680
to find people that they can get to think that way.

1974
01:46:51,560 --> 01:46:55,960
They're sort of like like a population of potential leads.

1975
01:46:56,159 --> 01:47:01,600
Oh this person, this person's dissatisfied, this person, you know,

1976
01:47:02,479 --> 01:47:04,920
is in a miserable place because they've been dealt a

1977
01:47:04,960 --> 01:47:06,880
bad hand. Now is the time for me to move

1978
01:47:06,920 --> 01:47:11,640
in with my brand of you know, it's amos spirituality

1979
01:47:11,640 --> 01:47:16,119
almost you know, yep, And it becomes really dark, really dark,

1980
01:47:16,119 --> 01:47:20,039
because everybody's smiling, but no one's smiling on the inside.

1981
01:47:20,479 --> 01:47:22,119
Everyone's everyone's transacting.

1982
01:47:23,800 --> 01:47:24,239
Speaker 2: I don't know.

1983
01:47:24,720 --> 01:47:27,319
Speaker 1: Thanks a lot for putting us down that road, Joe.

1984
01:47:29,520 --> 01:47:34,720
So let's see. David said, Tina Turner was the face

1985
01:47:34,760 --> 01:47:37,920
of the new South Wales rugby League. So we're trying

1986
01:47:37,920 --> 01:47:41,600
to get Tina for something that's supposed to qualify a movie.

1987
01:47:41,640 --> 01:47:44,319
Do you know why people bring up Tina Turner for cinema?

1988
01:47:45,720 --> 01:47:47,960
I don't know, I remember either.

1989
01:47:48,000 --> 01:47:49,039
Speaker 2: I don't remember why.

1990
01:47:49,840 --> 01:47:53,359
Speaker 1: Brett and the Heart's still in their pjs. Jeff bretton

1991
01:47:53,399 --> 01:47:55,760
the heart's still in their pj's presents, all open, kids

1992
01:47:55,760 --> 01:47:58,159
playing with the new toys. Brett smiles at the bounty

1993
01:47:58,159 --> 01:47:59,880
he is able to provide his family and looks at

1994
01:48:00,079 --> 01:48:02,560
watch his watch to realize that Christmas story is about

1995
01:48:02,560 --> 01:48:06,680
to start fresh when the cordless rings stir it.

1996
01:48:06,800 --> 01:48:12,239
Speaker 2: Man, I'm on, crackhead, I cead.

1997
01:48:15,319 --> 01:48:17,279
Speaker 1: You just joined Christmas a second ago.

1998
01:48:18,479 --> 01:48:29,279
Speaker 2: Uh here smoke crack creaky Huh do you know that

1999
01:48:29,279 --> 01:48:32,000
that's good will hunting qualified? Because an hour Summer SLAMO

2000
01:48:32,119 --> 01:48:35,000
five episode Edge tells Vince, it's not your fault, over

2001
01:48:35,079 --> 01:48:40,079
and over. It's not your fault. You're from North Carolina.

2002
01:48:45,359 --> 01:48:49,640
Uh no, no, unfortunately, not unfortunately, not to.

2003
01:48:49,600 --> 01:48:52,920
Speaker 1: That aforementioned phone call, Andrew says, picturing Davy's Christmas phone

2004
01:48:52,920 --> 01:48:55,720
called to Brett, and Davy is actually calling from the

2005
01:48:55,760 --> 01:48:57,359
next room.

2006
01:48:57,840 --> 01:49:01,039
Speaker 2: Oh yes, that's that is exactly it is that Davy

2007
01:49:01,279 --> 01:49:06,680
is dabe. Oh how'd you find me?

2008
01:49:08,279 --> 01:49:08,720
Speaker 7: I was.

2009
01:49:10,439 --> 01:49:12,600
Speaker 2: I was in different places.

2010
01:49:13,520 --> 01:49:18,239
Speaker 1: And poly cautiously, I picture steam Beat walking up to

2011
01:49:18,279 --> 01:49:20,119
his opponent with a cup of coffee like Lumberg and

2012
01:49:20,159 --> 01:49:24,039
office space. Yeah, let's talk about the finish. Ricky steam

2013
01:49:24,119 --> 01:49:29,319
Cup goes up to somebody. You guys hanging out? Are

2014
01:49:29,319 --> 01:49:29,840
you friends?

2015
01:49:30,760 --> 01:49:34,039
Speaker 2: Yeah? What's going on? Guys? What are you doing? Yeah?

2016
01:49:34,199 --> 01:49:36,840
Only here to talk about the match? Yeah, no, okay, all.

2017
01:49:36,800 --> 01:49:42,560
Speaker 1: Right, only here? Uh Brett wants. Brett wants a tournament

2018
01:49:42,640 --> 01:49:45,800
of runners up into l f X. Like characters that

2019
01:49:46,319 --> 01:49:49,920
weren't able to make it, like Lap Sean Connery laps,

2020
01:49:49,960 --> 01:49:53,840
local businessman whose business is disrupted by a movie abyss

2021
01:49:54,079 --> 01:49:57,800
Hult Cogan, but the action adventure comedy star Diana Hart,

2022
01:49:57,840 --> 01:50:01,640
Shane Douglass, Shawn Michaels, Hogan, Linda Hogan.

2023
01:50:01,920 --> 01:50:05,680
Speaker 2: I'm sorry. I like the idea of Hulk Hogan, not

2024
01:50:05,920 --> 01:50:09,760
the wrestler, but the action movie star, adventure comedy star.

2025
01:50:10,239 --> 01:50:11,319
That's fucking money.

2026
01:50:12,680 --> 01:50:15,319
Speaker 1: It's something to think about. It won't happen, but I

2027
01:50:15,359 --> 01:50:19,439
guess it's fun to think about. Uh, Tim, Well, Tim,

2028
01:50:19,439 --> 01:50:21,600
thank you. I read the email about the Princess Diana thing,

2029
01:50:21,600 --> 01:50:25,039
and I understand that it wasn't just a pop Rozzi

2030
01:50:25,039 --> 01:50:27,000
to blame, but apparently her driver. Did you know this?

2031
01:50:27,079 --> 01:50:29,319
Her driver was trashed?

2032
01:50:30,960 --> 01:50:33,039
Speaker 2: I didn't know that. Actually I did not know that

2033
01:50:32,680 --> 01:50:35,479
her drivercohol is a problem.

2034
01:50:35,479 --> 01:50:37,399
Speaker 1: We were talking about her, of course, in the context

2035
01:50:37,399 --> 01:50:40,359
of some of the British premiers that we took in.

2036
01:50:40,439 --> 01:50:44,560
Speaker 2: Yeah because she was there and yeah before she met

2037
01:50:44,560 --> 01:50:45,039
her demise.

2038
01:50:45,119 --> 01:50:48,079
Speaker 1: Lucky Night ct writes on her ECW coverage. To me,

2039
01:50:48,159 --> 01:50:50,960
ECW's popularity was its doom. It was at its best

2040
01:50:50,960 --> 01:50:54,199
when watching it felt transgressive. Staying up until twelve to

2041
01:50:54,239 --> 01:50:56,359
one am and flipping channels because you weren't sure who

2042
01:50:56,359 --> 01:50:58,079
they mailed the tape to this week was part of

2043
01:50:58,079 --> 01:51:01,399
the experience. Once I got regular TV, a big part

2044
01:51:01,399 --> 01:51:06,399
of the magic was gone, he declares. Jeff writes ECW

2045
01:51:06,560 --> 01:51:09,239
ECW don Kallis looks like a local radio DJ whose

2046
01:51:09,239 --> 01:51:12,000
show was brought down when Howard Stern came into the market.

2047
01:51:12,720 --> 01:51:13,880
Speaker 2: Absolutely agree with that.

2048
01:51:16,319 --> 01:51:19,119
Speaker 1: Jerome likes the Living Dangerously two thousand episode because we

2049
01:51:19,119 --> 01:51:21,960
talked about Mike Costumes ECW contract and delve into it deeply.

2050
01:51:22,239 --> 01:51:24,199
And so he says, this podcast allows us to tell

2051
01:51:24,199 --> 01:51:26,680
anyone who asks that we listen to a legal analysis

2052
01:51:26,720 --> 01:51:31,199
podcast whereby documents are discussed and broken down for better understanding.

2053
01:51:30,760 --> 01:51:33,600
Speaker 2: Of contract law. It's not wrong.

2054
01:51:33,800 --> 01:51:35,600
Speaker 1: I mean, look, you can say it if you need to.

2055
01:51:37,039 --> 01:51:40,119
Abel I agree with what that. I agree with Entertainment

2056
01:51:40,520 --> 01:51:43,079
from Phoenix Abel co chairs. Like so many others in

2057
01:51:43,119 --> 01:51:45,560
the Solar system, I love hearing about Eric Bischoff's slow

2058
01:51:45,600 --> 01:51:49,159
moving but smart equipped ranch life, especially when it involves

2059
01:51:49,199 --> 01:51:52,520
what he eats. Although many although many of his older

2060
01:51:52,520 --> 01:51:55,479
social media posts Pretna are now deleted, I can distinctly

2061
01:51:55,479 --> 01:51:58,079
remember one where Bischoff described his evening dinner after recently

2062
01:51:58,159 --> 01:52:01,079
arriving back in Cody. Although I can't call the words verbatim,

2063
01:52:01,079 --> 01:52:03,800
I remember Bischoff talking about smoked salmon being cooked over

2064
01:52:03,840 --> 01:52:07,479
an open flame with melted cheddar. Of course it sounded incredible,

2065
01:52:07,680 --> 01:52:10,039
even for someone that doesn't even eat fish. To hell

2066
01:52:10,079 --> 01:52:13,479
with Minnesota and their mint jelly. Thanksgiving with the Bishoffs

2067
01:52:13,560 --> 01:52:14,399
is where I want to be.

2068
01:52:14,479 --> 01:52:19,520
Speaker 2: Here we go. That's very funny, William wants to know.

2069
01:52:19,600 --> 01:52:22,039
Speaker 1: Now, I'm curious. Was Jim's cheese steak named in the

2070
01:52:22,079 --> 01:52:25,199
ECW bankruptcy. I would think that if uber Eats existed,

2071
01:52:25,199 --> 01:52:27,760
then there would have been a constant stream of cheese

2072
01:52:27,760 --> 01:52:30,600
steak deliveries to Big sal And, seeing how these guys

2073
01:52:30,640 --> 01:52:33,199
weren't even getting their seventy five dollars pay days, there

2074
01:52:33,199 --> 01:52:34,920
would have to be some kind of tab or line

2075
01:52:34,960 --> 01:52:41,239
of credit between gyms and AJHG Corp. Tremendous. Oh. The

2076
01:52:41,239 --> 01:52:45,479
ECW game William Hilarious for PlayStation William says was absolutely

2077
01:52:45,560 --> 01:52:48,359
one of the worst games ever played. The animation was terrible,

2078
01:52:48,399 --> 01:52:51,399
even for the time. The announcing was awful, just repeating

2079
01:52:51,399 --> 01:52:53,640
the same few lines and not really time to the action.

2080
01:52:53,840 --> 01:52:56,880
The gameplay was pathetic. I can't imagine how Acclaim would

2081
01:52:56,920 --> 01:52:58,960
put their name on it. It felt so rushed and

2082
01:52:59,000 --> 01:53:01,800
halfway finished, I wrung what little joy got out of it,

2083
01:53:01,840 --> 01:53:03,800
but I put it away permanently after a couple of weeks.

2084
01:53:03,800 --> 01:53:06,279
We're talking about that ECW video game. What a piece

2085
01:53:06,279 --> 01:53:09,399
of shit that was? Tool Belt for Daddy asked the question,

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01:53:09,439 --> 01:53:10,920
Am I the only one who would love having the

2087
01:53:10,960 --> 01:53:12,079
life of lapsed Bischoff?

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01:53:15,880 --> 01:53:19,600
Speaker 2: Listen, it's not a bad life. I'm not making fun

2089
01:53:19,640 --> 01:53:22,119
of the life. I'm making fun of him.

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01:53:22,000 --> 01:53:23,199
Speaker 1: Living my life. It's him.

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01:53:24,159 --> 01:53:30,239
Speaker 2: It's him, all right, because it's so phony, all right,

2092
01:53:30,520 --> 01:53:32,199
that's the problem. I think of him whenever I see

2093
01:53:32,239 --> 01:53:36,840
Yellowstone on TV. Yeah, of course, I'm sure he thinks

2094
01:53:36,880 --> 01:53:37,600
of him severaltimes.

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01:53:37,640 --> 01:53:41,199
Speaker 1: He's also someone I gotta find this before you read

2096
01:53:41,239 --> 01:53:44,880
this next thing, Oh Christopher, he writ some Patreon I'm

2097
01:53:44,920 --> 01:53:47,560
picturing easy listening to this, all set to be offended

2098
01:53:47,560 --> 01:53:50,039
at any mention of him and starting to vent when

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01:53:50,039 --> 01:53:51,960
the coach here is get to the last thirty minutes,

2100
01:53:52,319 --> 01:53:55,520
then he hears the comment about the butter churn from

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01:53:55,600 --> 01:54:01,800
sharper Image and realize this, you have a point.

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Speaker 2: Exactly, It's exactly. It's about he's about to like he's

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01:54:07,520 --> 01:54:10,119
he's like on the verge of going into a rant,

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01:54:10,159 --> 01:54:11,760
and then he's like, oh, yeah, you know he wants it.

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01:54:12,479 --> 01:54:28,359
Speaker 4: He's the laps Fan wrestling podcast, the wrestling podcast that

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01:54:28,479 --> 01:54:31,960
knows the boys need their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan.

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Speaker 6: Just because we posted a new episode of The Lapsed

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01:54:34,199 --> 01:54:36,199
Fan doesn't mean we are done with the campaign to

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01:54:36,239 --> 01:54:39,079
take what is rightfully ours. If you haven't yet, vote

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for The Lapse Fan to win the award for Wrestling

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Podcast of the Year, click on the show's notes, follow

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the link and do the right thing.

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Speaker 4: He's an Lapsed Fan wrestling podcast with Jack NCRN SEO

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01:55:04,479 --> 01:55:05,479
and JP Soro.

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Speaker 2: Hey coachairs. Listening to the latest ECW episode and the

2116
01:55:09,840 --> 01:55:12,640
guy talking about the myth of the Paul Hayman kool

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Aid compelled me to write you all an email when

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the wrestler says it wasn't the Paul Hayman kool aid,

2119
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it was being on TV that kept those guys little

2120
01:55:23,560 --> 01:55:27,119
ecw It got me thinking about again how TLF uses

2121
01:55:27,159 --> 01:55:29,520
pro wrestling of the nineties and two thousands as a

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01:55:29,560 --> 01:55:34,119
mirror to modern society. TLF has essentially been my thirties,

2123
01:55:34,159 --> 01:55:36,279
and now as I approach my forties, I think a

2124
01:55:36,279 --> 01:55:40,159
lot about what I call the millennials curse, this idea

2125
01:55:40,239 --> 01:55:43,239
that we're told our whole life to make sacrifices and

2126
01:55:43,319 --> 01:55:45,960
give up important life events in the name of being

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01:55:46,000 --> 01:55:50,039
successful or important. Many of us will never know our

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01:55:50,079 --> 01:55:53,680
true value because we were tricked in our twenties into

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01:55:53,680 --> 01:55:58,279
thinking we were important. And if an employer can convince

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01:55:58,319 --> 01:56:01,640
you that you matter, they can convince you to work

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01:56:01,680 --> 01:56:05,319
for less than your worth. Does that sound like Paul

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01:56:05,359 --> 01:56:08,560
Hammond and vinsick manned anybody else? I think any millennial

2133
01:56:08,640 --> 01:56:12,600
who chased professional success can relate to everything Danny Doring

2134
01:56:12,680 --> 01:56:15,640
says when he talks about the chase of fame. It

2135
01:56:16,520 --> 01:56:18,880
talks about the chase of fame is what appealed to

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01:56:18,960 --> 01:56:22,960
him more than the alleged Paul Hamon kool aid. As

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01:56:22,960 --> 01:56:25,399
a child of the nineties, you were told to chase

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01:56:25,399 --> 01:56:28,720
success in recognition. You weren't told to look for comfort

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01:56:28,840 --> 01:56:33,000
or stability. You were told that you had to be relevant,

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that you had to succeed. As I talked about before,

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01:56:38,079 --> 01:56:40,520
my degree is in journalism, and although I was lucky

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01:56:40,520 --> 01:56:43,159
to get out of the business early in my career,

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01:56:43,199 --> 01:56:49,319
I watched many friends fall for the so called relevance

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01:56:49,520 --> 01:56:53,119
of getting clicks on social media and online articles. It

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01:56:53,159 --> 01:56:56,399
didn't matter that they weren't paid a fair wage or

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01:56:56,439 --> 01:57:00,439
had their or had fair working hours and standards. They

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01:57:00,479 --> 01:57:04,880
were quote relevant and relevance was all you needed to

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01:57:04,920 --> 01:57:08,359
have a happy life. I think, unfortunately it took a

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01:57:08,359 --> 01:57:12,039
global pandemic to start to break some of that mindset.

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But I just look at what I call the millennial's

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01:57:14,720 --> 01:57:18,520
curse as this idea that fucked up our brains and

2152
01:57:18,600 --> 01:57:21,560
screwed ourselves out of comfort in twenties and thirties because

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01:57:21,560 --> 01:57:25,720
we were constantly told to be relevant, no matter, to matter,

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01:57:25,880 --> 01:57:29,119
to be important. I think we were told that money

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01:57:29,159 --> 01:57:32,079
would come, But I'm sure that a lot of listeners

2156
01:57:33,359 --> 01:57:37,760
hold some sort of grudge for the shit work we

2157
01:57:37,800 --> 01:57:40,720
did at shit pay in the name of this idea

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01:57:40,720 --> 01:57:44,439
that we wouldn't be quote failures if our job title

2159
01:57:44,800 --> 01:57:47,880
wasn't prestigious. The money never caught up in the same

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01:57:47,920 --> 01:57:50,800
way we were promised, and many of us had to

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01:57:50,840 --> 01:57:54,239
look at ourselves in the mirror and say fuck every

2162
01:57:54,279 --> 01:57:57,159
adult in the nineties who told me I was better

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01:57:57,239 --> 01:57:59,640
than someone who put in an honest living in a

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01:57:59,680 --> 01:58:03,359
trade job. That's why I could never truly blame wrestlers,

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because I see the idea of the wrestler in many

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01:58:06,479 --> 01:58:09,159
of the creative friends I have who will never know

2167
01:58:09,319 --> 01:58:13,199
their value as always. TLF is almost Shakespeare and the

2168
01:58:13,239 --> 01:58:17,399
way you hold up the mirror to society though through art,

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01:58:18,039 --> 01:58:20,800
it amazes me how you find these parts of nineties

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01:58:20,840 --> 01:58:24,840
wrestling that explain modern americane.

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Speaker 1: Yes, Jeff, that's an almost perfectly written email. Man. I

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01:58:29,199 --> 01:58:31,079
say almost because I want to try to say something

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01:58:31,119 --> 01:58:35,479
about it, but it's all there. It's so true. It's

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01:58:35,520 --> 01:58:38,279
so true. I mean, when you chase relevance, you serve

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01:58:38,319 --> 01:58:42,840
everyone but yourself. You serve the algo, you serve the

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01:58:42,880 --> 01:58:45,920
platform owners, you serve the people who don't have to

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01:58:45,920 --> 01:58:48,560
worry about being relevant. They just somehow are able to

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01:58:48,680 --> 01:58:52,680
tax your work and get a little little bit of it.

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And it's all these coding people who decided to find

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who decided to set up, you know, all these ways

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01:59:00,319 --> 01:59:02,600
to set up the platform and own the stream of

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01:59:02,640 --> 01:59:05,520
advertising in such a way that they get paid even

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01:59:05,560 --> 01:59:07,680
if they couldn't produce a single creative thing in their

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01:59:07,680 --> 01:59:11,159
fucking lives. Yep, but they know how to build a platform.

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And so there are the new gods and they control

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01:59:14,359 --> 01:59:20,359
the gates. Yes, it is an empty promise. Yes, it's

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01:59:20,399 --> 01:59:24,279
easier to underpay somebody when you feel when you're able to,

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01:59:25,000 --> 01:59:27,720
you know, make them feel like you value them. Paul

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01:59:27,800 --> 01:59:30,079
was great at that, and he was good because he

2190
01:59:30,159 --> 01:59:31,960
was clearly making stars out of people who had no

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01:59:32,079 --> 01:59:33,760
right to be in the wrestling business, such as it

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01:59:33,800 --> 01:59:38,079
was constituted at the time. They didn't Spike Dudley bless

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01:59:38,079 --> 01:59:41,720
his heart, worked his ass off, great guy from all accounts,

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01:59:42,439 --> 01:59:44,279
would have made ten cents in the wrestling business of

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01:59:44,319 --> 01:59:50,119
Paul Hayman didn't a have ECW and b couldn't look

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01:59:50,159 --> 01:59:52,800
him in the face and say I value you, you

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know right? But it's true. Yeah, that is very much

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a condition of nineties kids, I think because we were

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we and especially as YouTube came out, we were kind

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of sold this idea that we'd all we all could

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be famous if we just tried hard enough.

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Speaker 2: Right, or if we just you know, had the right video.

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Speaker 1: Right exactly, And we don't really know what it means.

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02:00:18,399 --> 02:00:20,920
We don't really know what it gets us to be famous.

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We just know we want to find out right, right.

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It's the Counting Crow song. It's uh, mister Jones, it's

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02:00:28,560 --> 02:00:30,039
we all want to be big, big stars, but we

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don't know why, and we don't know how.

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Speaker 2: Mm hmm.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. And that's that's the thing is so many people

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find out that like it's just it's all, there's no

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02:00:40,039 --> 02:00:43,359
money to be made, Like you're just now if you're

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a creative person, you're now just giving it away in

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02:00:46,840 --> 02:00:48,760
the hopes that I don't know, it's it's no different

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02:00:48,760 --> 02:00:51,600
than hoping someone discovers you would have fucking you know,

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at to Speak Easy or at a fucking nightclub. Yeah,

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02:00:55,760 --> 02:00:59,560
a big digital place where you hope someone finds you.

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It's very strange. It's very strange thing that people everyone

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02:01:03,279 --> 02:01:06,760
thinks they're about to be discovered somehow. It's very weird.

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Speaker 2: But I mean, hey, you know it's no different than

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02:01:11,399 --> 02:01:15,560
than Wizard of Oz and yeah, sure, Schwabs Schwab's Pharmacy

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02:01:15,640 --> 02:01:18,600
and sitting there hoping somebody sees you put you in

2223
02:01:18,640 --> 02:01:21,640
a picture so good. You know, it's just a different

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02:01:21,680 --> 02:01:23,239
way of doing it. I mean, in a weird way

2225
02:01:23,640 --> 02:01:25,560
that's at least better because it required you to go

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to something right, and so you know, you had to

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02:01:27,640 --> 02:01:30,199
go to California and then go to Schwabs and buy

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a fucking you know soda.

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Speaker 1: It's self selected in a way for people who at

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02:01:35,359 --> 02:01:39,439
least cared enough to make the trip right, and who

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cared enough to scrounge together the money to afford the trip.

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And now there's no barrier to entry, and there's a

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million applications and the reason the one person gets picked

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02:01:50,399 --> 02:01:54,720
is is completely arbitrary. And you know, Tktua is Hoktua

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02:01:54,840 --> 02:01:56,680
because this guy walked up to her when she was

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02:01:56,760 --> 02:02:00,880
leaving a nightclub or whatever, a bar and interviewed her. Yep,

2237
02:02:00,920 --> 02:02:03,319
And that guy was doing that for the same reason,

2238
02:02:03,560 --> 02:02:08,319
chasing views that he you know, thinks he can convert

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02:02:08,359 --> 02:02:11,479
into a I guess, a career. I think I think

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one of the things I'll say it's the fust thing

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02:02:12,800 --> 02:02:15,560
I'll say about this, it's like, I think a lot

2242
02:02:15,560 --> 02:02:19,039
of this creator economy stuff, it dangles this lifestyle in

2243
02:02:19,079 --> 02:02:22,199
front of people, it gives them, and I think that's

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02:02:22,239 --> 02:02:23,920
why a lot of them fall in love with, like,

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02:02:25,439 --> 02:02:27,479
you know, like policies where no one has to work

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02:02:27,560 --> 02:02:32,039
or anything. It's like they think there might actually be

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02:02:32,119 --> 02:02:35,800
a way to survive and pay all your bills if

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02:02:36,680 --> 02:02:40,600
you just stay online enough, right right, Well I can't,

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02:02:41,239 --> 02:02:43,119
it's all. It's always going to be the time you

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spend offline that's going to allow you, yep, to to

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02:02:47,039 --> 02:02:51,199
create security for yourself. But I think that that's that's

2252
02:02:51,239 --> 02:02:53,239
a lot of the a lot of the frustration, and

2253
02:02:54,000 --> 02:02:56,479
you know, the venom you see online is like this

2254
02:02:56,640 --> 02:03:00,479
consistent frustration with the fact that you can't tweet through it,

2255
02:03:00,560 --> 02:03:04,840
like you can't you can't read reimagine society in a

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02:03:04,880 --> 02:03:08,720
way where suddenly you can afford everything because you just

2257
02:03:08,800 --> 02:03:13,239
keep like you know, making political arguments all the time

2258
02:03:13,279 --> 02:03:17,159
about why things should change and then collecting evidence that

2259
02:03:17,359 --> 02:03:20,279
proves your point, all towards this world where like you

2260
02:03:20,279 --> 02:03:22,800
don't have to work, and it's like and the definition

2261
02:03:22,840 --> 02:03:24,000
of work is you don't want to do it, by

2262
02:03:24,000 --> 02:03:28,560
the way, that's a you know point. Yeah, I think

2263
02:03:28,560 --> 02:03:34,520
there's like this this really fading idealism that we can

2264
02:03:34,680 --> 02:03:40,760
just advocate until eventually we can just get paid to

2265
02:03:40,800 --> 02:03:44,880
express our thoughts all day, especially if we dress it

2266
02:03:44,960 --> 02:03:48,079
up like in well produced videos. It's like, no, no one,

2267
02:03:48,239 --> 02:03:51,159
no one's going to pay for your thoughts. I mean

2268
02:03:51,359 --> 02:03:55,199
maybe they maybe you can stumble on a little niche

2269
02:03:55,239 --> 02:03:57,479
audience that will do that. And I'm saying it's impossible,

2270
02:03:57,520 --> 02:04:01,000
but it seems like a lot lot of people think

2271
02:04:01,079 --> 02:04:03,760
that that is a world that they can force into existence.

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02:04:04,800 --> 02:04:05,079
Speaker 2: Yeah.

2273
02:04:05,199 --> 02:04:07,840
Speaker 1: I mean that's that they didn't have anything to say yet.

2274
02:04:07,880 --> 02:04:08,800
They didn't have anything to.

2275
02:04:08,760 --> 02:04:14,239
Speaker 2: Say yet, and and the and that's the I mean,

2276
02:04:14,279 --> 02:04:17,560
that's that's that's exactly it. Like they want to find

2277
02:04:18,159 --> 02:04:20,359
they want the they want the status, but they don't

2278
02:04:20,359 --> 02:04:21,119
want to put the work in.

2279
02:04:21,239 --> 02:04:22,840
Speaker 1: They don't want to live a life so that they

2280
02:04:22,880 --> 02:04:25,960
actually have something to say. They want to just say things.

2281
02:04:26,000 --> 02:04:31,279
It's like all right, or look hot. It's like, oh god, right, right,

2282
02:04:34,239 --> 02:04:36,479
Michaelson writes to us after the Bird Alive show. I

2283
02:04:36,520 --> 02:04:38,960
know it was, yeah, it was bird Alive. We're talking

2284
02:04:38,960 --> 02:04:41,560
about what the first Undertaker Mankind match was on TV,

2285
02:04:42,119 --> 02:04:45,520
and he points out that there's a Colosseum video that

2286
02:04:45,520 --> 02:04:49,079
has an Undertaker Mankind dark match that we had called

2287
02:04:49,119 --> 02:04:52,439
out as not He'd pointed it out and we said,

2288
02:04:52,439 --> 02:04:54,239
well that that wasn't ever on TV. That was the

2289
02:04:54,239 --> 02:04:56,239
first time they wrestled was on TV, but in fact

2290
02:04:56,840 --> 02:04:59,039
it was included on the Colosseum video of the show.

2291
02:04:59,119 --> 02:05:00,840
I think it might be revent to the Taker we're

2292
02:05:00,880 --> 02:05:03,760
thinking of here or something like that. I can't remember

2293
02:05:03,800 --> 02:05:05,920
the exact show, but I did want to give him

2294
02:05:05,960 --> 02:05:08,800
a fistbump for that because it wasn't a foul correction

2295
02:05:08,840 --> 02:05:12,159
at all. If it was on Coliseum video, then video

2296
02:05:12,239 --> 02:05:14,399
exists of the match. I thought it was just I'm

2297
02:05:14,399 --> 02:05:15,760
going to look up the first time these two ever

2298
02:05:15,800 --> 02:05:19,920
wrestled and call that out. When we did the show

2299
02:05:19,920 --> 02:05:24,520
where Dan Peterson commentates in Italian, Choppin Eaquals Detriment had

2300
02:05:24,520 --> 02:05:27,119
the translation. He says. The translation by Dan Peterson says

2301
02:05:27,279 --> 02:05:29,800
it's no secret and Nors calls him out for no taxes.

2302
02:05:30,000 --> 02:05:31,920
It's no secret that most of the taxes are here

2303
02:05:31,920 --> 02:05:34,520
in Milan instead of tax cheats. What he means is

2304
02:05:34,680 --> 02:05:36,960
Milan is the capital of Lombardi, which is the most

2305
02:05:37,000 --> 02:05:39,479
effluent state in Italy, and for years they have been

2306
02:05:39,520 --> 02:05:42,039
disgruntled that all their tax money goes to Rome to

2307
02:05:42,039 --> 02:05:44,680
support the poorer South. In fact, there's been a separatist

2308
02:05:44,760 --> 02:05:48,319
movement in Lombardi, Ala, Catalonia and Spain for the same reason.

2309
02:05:48,439 --> 02:05:51,079
So what Dan Peterson is saying is you're coming out

2310
02:05:51,119 --> 02:05:54,000
here saying you guys cheat on your taxes, but which

2311
02:05:54,079 --> 02:05:57,720
is especially rich because they feel like they pay the

2312
02:05:57,760 --> 02:05:59,079
taxes of the rest of the country.

2313
02:05:59,119 --> 02:05:59,319
Speaker 3: Wow.

2314
02:05:59,640 --> 02:06:01,680
Speaker 1: So I actually had more resonance that I bet micro

2315
02:06:01,720 --> 02:06:02,680
Tunda had any idea.

2316
02:06:03,560 --> 02:06:05,479
Speaker 2: I'm sure he's just doing a stupid gimmick.

2317
02:06:05,600 --> 02:06:08,199
Speaker 1: Jeff says Ian Fleming would be a creepy ass deviant

2318
02:06:08,359 --> 02:06:11,039
art redditor and not an author if he came along today.

2319
02:06:12,880 --> 02:06:16,880
Speaker 2: Oh absolutely, And I mean still be smoking a cigar

2320
02:06:16,920 --> 02:06:19,319
with a cigar, I mean cigarette with a cigarette.

2321
02:06:18,880 --> 02:06:22,239
Speaker 1: Holder, and just two more before we kick it over

2322
02:06:22,399 --> 02:06:25,560
to Blake as we finally do the house cleaning that

2323
02:06:26,159 --> 02:06:28,279
can only be necessary around the first of the year.

2324
02:06:29,079 --> 02:06:32,439
This one's from Amber I Gabe. Yeah, well, get what

2325
02:06:32,439 --> 02:06:32,920
did I say?

2326
02:06:33,720 --> 02:06:33,840
Speaker 3: Is it?

2327
02:06:33,960 --> 02:06:34,239
Speaker 2: Blake?

2328
02:06:34,479 --> 02:06:36,520
Speaker 1: Oh? I have a letter from another letter. It's just

2329
02:06:36,520 --> 02:06:39,880
a quick closing thought from Blake, and then we go

2330
02:06:39,960 --> 02:06:43,640
to and actually, isn't it isn't Blake, It's Ben Blake.

2331
02:06:45,800 --> 02:06:48,840
But this quickly from Amber dear co chairs. I'm visiting

2332
02:06:48,840 --> 02:06:51,079
my partner's folks for a few weeks, and while they

2333
02:06:51,079 --> 02:06:53,119
are nice people, it's been a bumpy few days because

2334
02:06:53,159 --> 02:06:54,960
I came out to them as a trans woman roughly

2335
02:06:55,000 --> 02:06:57,720
a week before. They are both conservative, so I wasn't

2336
02:06:57,760 --> 02:07:00,319
sure how it would go. Her mother is supportive, just

2337
02:07:00,319 --> 02:07:02,199
doesn't really address it though. He laughs when I make

2338
02:07:02,239 --> 02:07:04,920
sissy jokes at my own expense, which helps ease tension.

2339
02:07:05,039 --> 02:07:08,199
He's a former National Security Agency NSA, so he's got

2340
02:07:08,199 --> 02:07:10,680
that intimidating, stoic demeanor. One night, he told us a

2341
02:07:10,680 --> 02:07:12,520
story about one of his military buddies who picked up

2342
02:07:12,520 --> 02:07:13,920
a tie woman at a bar and took her to

2343
02:07:13,920 --> 02:07:15,600
his room. When they find out that she was a

2344
02:07:15,640 --> 02:07:17,640
he then his friend kicked her out of his room.

2345
02:07:17,840 --> 02:07:20,399
He's probably heard this story before. The devious trans the

2346
02:07:20,439 --> 02:07:22,720
trap who seduces the innocent straight guy only to reveal

2347
02:07:22,720 --> 02:07:26,960
a cock size scott All scattle broad. Typically, the devious

2348
02:07:26,960 --> 02:07:28,560
trans gets a beating in the end. There's a whole

2349
02:07:28,560 --> 02:07:31,199
Sopranos episode about this story, plus it shows up in

2350
02:07:31,239 --> 02:07:34,479
numerous movies and books. Rick Steiner probably as nightmares about

2351
02:07:34,560 --> 02:07:36,439
oh about this kind of thing because he's an insecure,

2352
02:07:36,479 --> 02:07:39,239
fake bitch. So her dad's telling this to us completely

2353
02:07:39,279 --> 02:07:41,760
oblivious to how awkward this is for everyone, especially me.

2354
02:07:41,840 --> 02:07:44,039
His future daughter in law constantly struggles to feel like

2355
02:07:44,039 --> 02:07:48,039
a real person. Sometimes I feel faker than Shane McMahon's punches,

2356
02:07:49,720 --> 02:07:51,359
and they have been hit on by straight minute bars.

2357
02:07:51,399 --> 02:07:53,199
I've heard tell him I'm trans up front. Okay, yep,

2358
02:07:53,520 --> 02:07:55,399
I have friends who are attacked on the street just

2359
02:07:55,439 --> 02:07:58,600
because I think a lot of trans people got file wrestling,

2360
02:07:58,640 --> 02:08:02,000
because those journeys are also right with shame and pain. Yeah,

2361
02:08:02,079 --> 02:08:04,319
it's scary because you never know how people will react

2362
02:08:04,399 --> 02:08:07,319
when you tell people your trans up front. I know

2363
02:08:07,359 --> 02:08:09,920
from experience that men like his friend consider trans women

2364
02:08:09,960 --> 02:08:11,960
to be men. Therefore it's okay to hit them, especially

2365
02:08:12,039 --> 02:08:14,119
if there was an attraction from their side. I'll never

2366
02:08:14,159 --> 02:08:17,640
understand why men's masculinely is so threatened by trans women

2367
02:08:17,720 --> 02:08:21,560
queer people because news flash, hormone tree Okay, okay, Anyway,

2368
02:08:21,600 --> 02:08:23,560
that night I retired to the bedroom and broke down

2369
02:08:23,560 --> 02:08:26,159
for a while because this shit is scary and empathy

2370
02:08:26,199 --> 02:08:28,359
is short, is in short supply. But I put it

2371
02:08:28,359 --> 02:08:34,680
all aside and turned on that cast male bag. Addition,

2372
02:08:36,119 --> 02:08:38,319
I love these shows because you never know what's gonna happen.

2373
02:08:38,359 --> 02:08:41,800
Plus Boss often serenades us undeserving Fox with wrestler themes.

2374
02:08:42,960 --> 02:08:45,960
We asked them too late tonight. Maybe next time, Amber, Yeah,

2375
02:08:46,039 --> 02:08:48,720
where else can you get bushwhacker Luke rambling on about

2376
02:08:48,840 --> 02:08:54,359
stone necklaces to make what to make? You forget that

2377
02:08:54,439 --> 02:08:57,439
your father in law will never understand you as usual,

2378
02:08:57,600 --> 02:09:02,560
You guys make everything tolerable for a few hours. PS.

2379
02:09:02,720 --> 02:09:04,520
Last night, my pardner rast if I wanted to watch

2380
02:09:04,560 --> 02:09:07,159
a w since her parents have cable. I immediately said no.

2381
02:09:07,680 --> 02:09:12,560
Coming out to them as trains is one thing, but

2382
02:09:12,720 --> 02:09:15,840
even but even I'm not bold enough to inform them

2383
02:09:15,840 --> 02:09:20,359
that I'm a fan of this bullshit non ballet buffoonery. Wow,

2384
02:09:20,399 --> 02:09:25,479
thanks guys, Amber, thank you Amber. That is that is something, man.

2385
02:09:25,399 --> 02:09:31,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is that's that's that's a that's tough. I

2386
02:09:31,680 --> 02:09:33,680
can't even, I mean I can't. I have no no

2387
02:09:33,760 --> 02:09:35,520
frame of reference for that. I just know that that

2388
02:09:35,640 --> 02:09:40,479
stuff is difficult, and uh, you know, glad, I'm glad.

2389
02:09:40,600 --> 02:09:43,920
I'm glad that we that we can be there.

2390
02:09:44,880 --> 02:09:45,760
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, I say that again.

2391
02:09:46,039 --> 02:09:48,319
Speaker 2: We can be there, I said, I'm I said, I'm

2392
02:09:48,359 --> 02:09:49,640
just glad that we can be there.

2393
02:09:50,079 --> 02:09:52,239
Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, that's that's awesome, that putting in.

2394
02:09:52,199 --> 02:09:54,920
Speaker 2: The cast, because it's I know that that whole situation

2395
02:09:55,000 --> 02:09:58,000
that could be really tough. You know, it can be

2396
02:09:58,039 --> 02:09:58,840
really really tough.

2397
02:09:58,960 --> 02:10:01,800
Speaker 1: Glad that putting in the cast can help, even just

2398
02:10:01,800 --> 02:10:08,520
a little bit. Absolutely, So, We've got a tremendous listenership

2399
02:10:08,880 --> 02:10:12,119
and it's going to keep continuing in the length of

2400
02:10:12,159 --> 02:10:17,079
this fucking show. I think I attest to that this

2401
02:10:17,159 --> 02:10:20,000
episode here to kick off twenty twenty five, I'm going

2402
02:10:20,039 --> 02:10:22,680
to close here as far as the readings with Ben,

2403
02:10:22,720 --> 02:10:24,359
and then we'll hear from Gabe and send you on

2404
02:10:24,439 --> 02:10:28,560
your way to make a twenty twenty five count. Ben writes,

2405
02:10:28,600 --> 02:10:30,920
I've been listening to tlf for years, and probably more

2406
02:10:30,960 --> 02:10:33,159
intently than most, even though I'm not and never have

2407
02:10:33,239 --> 02:10:36,600
been a fan of professional wrestling. I love that subject

2408
02:10:36,640 --> 02:10:38,720
line is a brief synopsis in the closing days of

2409
02:10:38,760 --> 02:10:42,800
TLFX that notwithstanding I think that everything I've learned from

2410
02:10:42,840 --> 02:10:45,960
that cast mostly boils down to this life is almost

2411
02:10:46,159 --> 02:10:49,840
entirely just one big fucking work. So like what you like,

2412
02:10:50,760 --> 02:10:53,600
laugh at what you think is funny, support and cultivate

2413
02:10:53,640 --> 02:10:56,119
the things you care about, do good when you can,

2414
02:10:57,039 --> 02:10:58,640
and give a shit about the people who give a

2415
02:10:58,640 --> 02:11:01,960
shit about you. Thank you for ten rock hard years,

2416
02:11:02,000 --> 02:11:06,520
co chairman, and thank you for truth a mania. Best

2417
02:11:06,560 --> 02:11:14,239
regards Ben Broler, And with a highly concerning note, we

2418
02:11:14,319 --> 02:11:18,000
turn it over and you over to Gabe, who's still walking,

2419
02:11:18,600 --> 02:11:22,279
who's still battling, Just like a certain podcast, I know

2420
02:11:22,840 --> 02:11:24,960
we'll see you next time. Well, fans, we told you

2421
02:11:25,600 --> 02:11:29,159
he would survive. We told you he lived. If you've

2422
02:11:29,199 --> 02:11:33,039
been following us throughout TLFX, you know that there's been

2423
02:11:33,119 --> 02:11:35,439
challenges for one of the great Solar System members there

2424
02:11:35,439 --> 02:11:39,399
has ever been in one, Gabe who we were proud

2425
02:11:39,439 --> 02:11:41,920
to share the details of a GoFundMe and some of

2426
02:11:41,920 --> 02:11:44,560
the things he went through with open heart surgery. And

2427
02:11:44,640 --> 02:11:46,800
as we embark on a new year and put the

2428
02:11:46,800 --> 02:11:48,880
first decade of LAPS behind us and look forward to

2429
02:11:48,880 --> 02:11:52,000
the next, it's a very good thing, I would submit,

2430
02:11:52,039 --> 02:11:53,920
and I'm sure the boss would agree that we still

2431
02:11:53,920 --> 02:11:57,319
have Gabe in our corner and he's back. Well, I'm

2432
02:11:57,319 --> 02:11:58,640
not sure if he's on his feet or not. He's

2433
02:11:58,680 --> 02:12:01,359
probably sitting down now I am.

2434
02:12:01,479 --> 02:12:08,479
Speaker 3: I am sitting now. Sure. Look, it's it's true. I

2435
02:12:08,560 --> 02:12:14,560
was almost compromised to a permanent endow. I was hoping

2436
02:12:14,600 --> 02:12:17,560
that Jack would pick up on that one. The rumors

2437
02:12:17,560 --> 02:12:19,399
of my death have been greatly exaggerated.

2438
02:12:20,399 --> 02:12:22,159
Speaker 2: You've heard from Gabe over the years, one of the

2439
02:12:22,159 --> 02:12:24,039
earliest supporters of the show, one of the first to

2440
02:12:24,039 --> 02:12:24,399
come to the.

2441
02:12:24,399 --> 02:12:26,119
Speaker 1: Table and say, hey, I really take what you guys

2442
02:12:26,119 --> 02:12:28,800
are doing. How about some some sponsorship, just all kinds

2443
02:12:28,800 --> 02:12:30,600
of stuff like that. You know him of course from

2444
02:12:31,000 --> 02:12:33,920
the Whole Ballgame podcast. That is kind of a bit

2445
02:12:33,920 --> 02:12:36,039
of offspring from what we've been doing all this time.

2446
02:12:36,560 --> 02:12:42,279
Speaker 3: And ship we're TLF cosplayers. Man, We're a TLF cover band.

2447
02:12:42,520 --> 02:12:45,000
That's what we are. Really honest here.

2448
02:12:45,520 --> 02:12:48,359
Speaker 1: Boss, cover band. I like that.

2449
02:12:48,399 --> 02:12:50,680
Speaker 2: I don't mind that at all. I mean, listen, the

2450
02:12:50,720 --> 02:12:54,399
more the merrier on that, keep it up. I appreciate

2451
02:12:54,439 --> 02:12:55,199
cover bands.

2452
02:12:55,520 --> 02:12:58,199
Speaker 1: How uh, Well, while Gabe is listening, Boss, how great

2453
02:12:58,239 --> 02:12:59,760
is it to hear him back on on the air.

2454
02:13:00,119 --> 02:13:03,279
Speaker 2: Oh, it's fantastic. I mean listen, the the the the

2455
02:13:03,319 --> 02:13:06,920
trials and tribulations, the trial of your life in many ways.

2456
02:13:07,439 --> 02:13:11,840
So I mean it's there's nothing better. It's so great

2457
02:13:12,000 --> 02:13:13,520
to be able to hear your voice and have you

2458
02:13:13,600 --> 02:13:14,039
back here.

2459
02:13:17,239 --> 02:13:25,479
Speaker 3: Thank you. That means a lot, you know. Uh, I

2460
02:13:25,520 --> 02:13:27,199
wrote some notes down because I didn't want to go

2461
02:13:27,239 --> 02:13:32,159
into this blind and babble on for forever and get

2462
02:13:32,399 --> 02:13:35,239
get you guys, you know, kind of an update and

2463
02:13:35,760 --> 02:13:38,520
kind of get you caught up with what my last

2464
02:13:39,439 --> 02:13:43,079
it was. Uh, it was nine weeks on Friday. Since

2465
02:13:44,119 --> 02:13:46,520
you guys are familiar with Christmas vacation, yes, I mean

2466
02:13:46,680 --> 02:13:51,840
we're all Christmas Christmas heads here, So nine weeks ago

2467
02:13:51,880 --> 02:13:56,560
today or well nine weeks ago Friday as we're recording this,

2468
02:13:58,600 --> 02:14:02,399
I was played open like the Griswold family, Turkey on

2469
02:14:02,479 --> 02:14:05,279
a on a surgery on a in an operating room.

2470
02:14:05,359 --> 02:14:08,399
And I'm not exaggerating, Like, guys.

2471
02:14:09,720 --> 02:14:11,560
Speaker 1: They break the breastbone, don't they.

2472
02:14:11,760 --> 02:14:16,920
Speaker 3: They So what they did is they they have this

2473
02:14:17,000 --> 02:14:23,199
device called a ribspreader, And so I still have bruises

2474
02:14:24,359 --> 02:14:28,399
on the bottom of my biggest fat roll, which is

2475
02:14:28,439 --> 02:14:31,119
getting smaller, which is a great side effect of surgery.

2476
02:14:32,479 --> 02:14:36,680
But uh, it's where they anchor the ribspreader, right, So

2477
02:14:37,119 --> 02:14:37,960
they anchor it there.

2478
02:14:38,119 --> 02:14:40,119
Speaker 1: That was Owen Heart's nickname, by the way.

2479
02:14:43,520 --> 02:14:49,159
Speaker 3: Oh Man, straight to hell, all of us wonderful. And

2480
02:14:49,600 --> 02:14:52,720
they use a what is essentially it's a surgical saw,

2481
02:14:52,760 --> 02:14:56,880
but essentially it's a circular saw, and they, you know,

2482
02:14:56,880 --> 02:14:59,920
they make an incision first with a scalpel down my chest,

2483
02:15:00,079 --> 02:15:03,640
which I have this really wicked ass like fourteen and

2484
02:15:03,640 --> 02:15:04,680
a half inch scar.

2485
02:15:05,199 --> 02:15:08,119
Speaker 2: Right down the center, right down the center. You're gonna

2486
02:15:08,119 --> 02:15:09,840
have to get a scott Steiner tattoo to cover that

2487
02:15:09,840 --> 02:15:13,039
one up. Yeah, or a Lesnar one too, you know,

2488
02:15:13,520 --> 02:15:14,560
sword right.

2489
02:15:15,359 --> 02:15:17,399
Speaker 3: No, No, I don't think so. I think I think

2490
02:15:17,439 --> 02:15:21,039
I'll let the scars I'm wearing open, uh you know,

2491
02:15:21,159 --> 02:15:23,199
button up shirts wide open the rest of my life.

2492
02:15:23,319 --> 02:15:27,680
I earned it. I support that anyway. So they use

2493
02:15:27,720 --> 02:15:30,359
the scalpel and then they they use a circular saw

2494
02:15:30,359 --> 02:15:35,359
and they directly in half cut the breastbone between the

2495
02:15:35,399 --> 02:15:40,279
two ribs, and then they anchor the ribs spreader. They

2496
02:15:40,279 --> 02:15:44,600
put the the arms of the rib spreader on either

2497
02:15:44,640 --> 02:15:47,199
side of the breastbone, and then they turn a crank.

2498
02:15:49,680 --> 02:15:53,079
Speaker 1: Boss thoughts, and I.

2499
02:15:55,960 --> 02:16:01,840
Speaker 2: I can't even I mean, listen, it's it's what really

2500
02:16:02,239 --> 02:16:06,439
the problem is is that I'm hearing imaginary sounds in

2501
02:16:06,520 --> 02:16:11,920
my head of what this sounds like spreading of bone

2502
02:16:12,319 --> 02:16:17,000
and flesh, and just like it's just it's just a

2503
02:16:17,079 --> 02:16:19,479
sound that the human ears were not meant to hear.

2504
02:16:20,560 --> 02:16:23,039
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, luckily I didn't have to.

2505
02:16:23,560 --> 02:16:26,760
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, listen, that's great, but I'm hearing it. I'm

2506
02:16:26,800 --> 02:16:29,039
hearing it now and there's nothing you can do about that.

2507
02:16:29,800 --> 02:16:31,760
Speaker 3: Well, if it makes you feel any better. I hear

2508
02:16:31,800 --> 02:16:37,600
the tick of my artificial heart valve constantly all the time.

2509
02:16:38,040 --> 02:16:41,799
It's very very Edgar Allen Poe tell Tale heart sort

2510
02:16:41,799 --> 02:16:45,000
of stuff going on. It's just a I should send

2511
02:16:45,040 --> 02:16:47,319
you guys, just a because my phone picks it up

2512
02:16:47,319 --> 02:16:50,040
really well. Because my breastbone isn't completely healed, so you

2513
02:16:50,040 --> 02:16:53,760
can hear it outside my body in a quiet room.

2514
02:16:53,920 --> 02:16:58,159
It's really really crazy. But yeah, so they did that.

2515
02:16:59,000 --> 02:17:01,879
What I continue to be confounded by and astonished by

2516
02:17:02,120 --> 02:17:05,360
is the the ability of the human body to heal,

2517
02:17:06,040 --> 02:17:10,600
even human bodies that you haven't necessarily taken the best

2518
02:17:10,600 --> 02:17:13,639
care of. Like I said, nine weeks ago, they did

2519
02:17:13,639 --> 02:17:20,799
that to me. Today, I have slight discomfort occasionally, but

2520
02:17:20,920 --> 02:17:21,840
I have no pain.

2521
02:17:23,319 --> 02:17:25,280
Speaker 1: Unbelievable, it is.

2522
02:17:25,360 --> 02:17:26,079
Speaker 3: It's nuts.

2523
02:17:26,200 --> 02:17:28,399
Speaker 1: We've exchanged texts, but his first time I've heard your voice,

2524
02:17:28,440 --> 02:17:31,239
Ince went down. I honestly expected kind of like a lethargic,

2525
02:17:31,920 --> 02:17:34,000
you know what I mean, kind of like a voice

2526
02:17:34,000 --> 02:17:36,239
that still spoke, because I know you were probably barely

2527
02:17:36,280 --> 02:17:37,559
able to speak in the beginning. Right.

2528
02:17:37,840 --> 02:17:41,159
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, it was man, those first I was in

2529
02:17:41,200 --> 02:17:49,680
the hospital for seven days, and it was especially the

2530
02:17:49,760 --> 02:17:52,920
for like waking up and recovery and then kind of

2531
02:17:52,959 --> 02:17:59,719
transitioning from recovery into the main room. The best indicator

2532
02:17:59,760 --> 02:18:03,319
I have of this is I had very little appetite

2533
02:18:03,319 --> 02:18:06,200
for at least five weeks after surgery. I lost seventy

2534
02:18:06,200 --> 02:18:08,479
five pounds from the day I went into surgery to

2535
02:18:08,600 --> 02:18:13,120
about five weeks out. It's insane. Yeah, it's absolutely nuts.

2536
02:18:13,159 --> 02:18:16,879
I mean I I was eating like six eight hundred

2537
02:18:16,879 --> 02:18:20,799
calories a day. Just Jesus, there's just nothing, like nothing

2538
02:18:20,840 --> 02:18:23,719
sounded good. But I think it was day two or

2539
02:18:23,799 --> 02:18:28,040
day three, I was in my hospital room and my

2540
02:18:28,120 --> 02:18:32,079
wife was there and she was talking to me, and

2541
02:18:32,120 --> 02:18:35,600
there was a little little cup of green jello that

2542
02:18:35,639 --> 02:18:41,360
they had brought me, and I scooped a spoonful of

2543
02:18:41,399 --> 02:18:43,920
the green yellow and fell asleep before it got to

2544
02:18:43,959 --> 02:18:46,959
my mouth. Oh my god, I mean it just like

2545
02:18:47,079 --> 02:18:47,520
I mean.

2546
02:18:47,399 --> 02:18:50,079
Speaker 1: This is like straight like Sean Michael's nineteen ninety.

2547
02:18:49,959 --> 02:18:53,760
Speaker 3: Five correct, I may as well have been Matt Hardy

2548
02:18:55,399 --> 02:18:58,120
in a diner or Jeff Hardy in the diner in

2549
02:18:58,159 --> 02:19:01,000
North Carolina. It was it was it was like that.

2550
02:19:02,200 --> 02:19:04,200
Just they had me, you know, they had me on

2551
02:19:05,000 --> 02:19:11,360
nerve blockers and you know, pretty serious painkillers and stuff

2552
02:19:11,360 --> 02:19:15,280
for the first week, and then they sent me home

2553
02:19:15,319 --> 02:19:15,879
with some too.

2554
02:19:16,520 --> 02:19:18,479
Speaker 1: But I tell the people, if you could gave what

2555
02:19:18,600 --> 02:19:20,239
was the issue that they remedied.

2556
02:19:21,079 --> 02:19:25,040
Speaker 3: It's I'll be as brief as I can, but it's

2557
02:19:25,079 --> 02:19:30,040
an absolutely nuts story. So we talked about weight loss.

2558
02:19:30,239 --> 02:19:34,239
I have been a rotund individual for my entire life,

2559
02:19:34,280 --> 02:19:36,440
and I've never I've always kind of battled with it.

2560
02:19:36,520 --> 02:19:40,319
And in February of this year, I went to the

2561
02:19:40,360 --> 02:19:42,600
doctor finally to get it rectified. As you guys know,

2562
02:19:42,680 --> 02:19:48,879
I have a new baby here, twenty month old, little

2563
02:19:48,879 --> 02:19:52,319
piece of heaven, and I just wanted to get it right,

2564
02:19:52,479 --> 02:19:54,040
you know what I mean. Like I was, I was

2565
02:19:54,120 --> 02:19:58,879
pushing towards four hundred and that was scary, and so

2566
02:19:59,520 --> 02:20:01,600
I went to the doctor and we we worked on

2567
02:20:01,639 --> 02:20:04,079
a plan, and they got me on some blood pressure

2568
02:20:04,120 --> 02:20:08,520
medication and and then I started on wigov which is

2569
02:20:08,959 --> 02:20:11,120
you know, one of the famous, you know, weight loss

2570
02:20:11,159 --> 02:20:17,959
drugs that are derived from the diabetes drugs UH. In July,

2571
02:20:18,639 --> 02:20:22,559
I went through two rounds of July. I hit the

2572
02:20:22,600 --> 02:20:25,559
top dose. Wigovy's kind of an incremental dose. You get

2573
02:20:25,639 --> 02:20:28,000
higher and higher and higher. Got to the top dose

2574
02:20:28,000 --> 02:20:30,600
in July. Fourth of July weekend, I was sick as

2575
02:20:30,600 --> 02:20:33,920
a dog. Couldn't figure out why. And then three weeks

2576
02:20:34,000 --> 02:20:36,239
later I was even sicker, and I knocked me on

2577
02:20:36,319 --> 02:20:38,840
a commission. For like five days, I was throwing up

2578
02:20:38,840 --> 02:20:41,840
everything that I ate, even stuff that I'd eaten two

2579
02:20:41,959 --> 02:20:45,600
three days ago. To Wogovy does two things. It slows

2580
02:20:45,639 --> 02:20:52,319
down your digestion digestion, and it it regulates your insulin,

2581
02:20:52,559 --> 02:20:55,200
so you you create insulin like a normal human being

2582
02:20:55,239 --> 02:20:58,120
instead of somebody who has absolutely no metabolism.

2583
02:20:58,600 --> 02:20:58,799
Speaker 2: Right.

2584
02:20:59,159 --> 02:21:03,319
Speaker 3: And so I was at the top dose. My body

2585
02:21:03,399 --> 02:21:06,360
was just not digesting food fast enough, and so I

2586
02:21:06,399 --> 02:21:08,920
was it was making me sick. I didn't know that,

2587
02:21:09,079 --> 02:21:10,520
but I woke up in the middle of the night

2588
02:21:10,719 --> 02:21:17,879
on a Thursday night, and I was just so ill,

2589
02:21:17,920 --> 02:21:19,639
and my wife was like, you have to go. You

2590
02:21:19,719 --> 02:21:23,280
have to fucking go to the er. Stop this. So

2591
02:21:23,319 --> 02:21:25,520
I went to the ar and I told him what

2592
02:21:25,559 --> 02:21:29,120
was wrong, and they said where I was pointing was

2593
02:21:29,200 --> 02:21:32,120
essentially my spleen and that doesn't make any sense. So

2594
02:21:32,159 --> 02:21:37,200
they did a full body scan CTE and found what's

2595
02:21:37,239 --> 02:21:41,840
called an aortic aneurysm and a big motherfucker, a big motherfucker.

2596
02:21:43,159 --> 02:21:47,680
So essentially the high blood likely the high blood pressure

2597
02:21:47,799 --> 02:21:49,360
for as long as I was living with it, I

2598
02:21:49,360 --> 02:21:51,680
mean I was, I was one forty over one ten,

2599
02:21:52,000 --> 02:21:53,840
just normal sitting down.

2600
02:21:55,559 --> 02:21:55,680
Speaker 2: Uh.

2601
02:21:56,520 --> 02:21:59,840
Speaker 3: It just the blood flows through the aorta out of

2602
02:21:59,879 --> 02:22:03,000
the heart at such a pressure that it bulges out.

2603
02:22:03,040 --> 02:22:05,159
And that's what the aneurysm is. It's just a big

2604
02:22:05,200 --> 02:22:07,079
bulge in the the aorda.

2605
02:22:08,520 --> 02:22:12,280
Speaker 2: Let's say, aneurysms are fucking scary motherfuckers. There's like, you know,

2606
02:22:13,079 --> 02:22:17,600
there's just no real warning. They just fucking yeah none.

2607
02:22:17,639 --> 02:22:20,440
Speaker 3: I mean, John, that's how John Richard died. John Richard

2608
02:22:20,479 --> 02:22:23,280
didn't know there was anything wrong, and he just walked

2609
02:22:23,319 --> 02:22:25,319
on set and it dissected and that was the end

2610
02:22:25,319 --> 02:22:30,280
of it, and mine was. The threshold for surgery is

2611
02:22:32,399 --> 02:22:34,879
three and a half centimeters to four centimeters, and mine

2612
02:22:34,959 --> 02:22:41,159
was five point five. And so they did, honestly, they

2613
02:22:41,239 --> 02:22:44,719
just sent me directly to a cardiothoracic surgeon after I

2614
02:22:44,760 --> 02:22:47,879
went to the ECHA cardiogram, went to the ECHA cardiogram,

2615
02:22:48,200 --> 02:22:50,760
and they found and this is this was the kicker,

2616
02:22:50,799 --> 02:22:53,479
and this is kind of it was a combination of

2617
02:22:53,479 --> 02:22:58,000
the blood pressure in this piece. That that that made

2618
02:22:58,000 --> 02:23:05,319
it made it really an issue, was most people's aortic

2619
02:23:05,399 --> 02:23:09,239
valve in their heart has three little flaps on it

2620
02:23:09,319 --> 02:23:13,680
that open and close, open and close. Mine only had two.

2621
02:23:13,719 --> 02:23:18,000
They call it a bicuspid valve, which is a birth

2622
02:23:18,040 --> 02:23:22,600
effect that's hereditary. And I've had my entire life and

2623
02:23:22,639 --> 02:23:26,920
had absolutely no idea. I'm forty one, and.

2624
02:23:26,399 --> 02:23:28,719
Speaker 2: So do all these issues come downstream from that game.

2625
02:23:28,799 --> 02:23:31,159
But it had nothing to do with your dialing it

2626
02:23:31,200 --> 02:23:33,120
in on the weight loss and going hard.

2627
02:23:33,319 --> 02:23:36,319
Speaker 3: No, No, the weight loss thing was just just a

2628
02:23:36,360 --> 02:23:38,760
way to get me to the emergency room. Had I

2629
02:23:38,799 --> 02:23:42,040
not had a stomach ache, you know, I'd still you know,

2630
02:23:42,360 --> 02:23:43,479
I wouldn't have had a surgery.

2631
02:23:44,120 --> 02:23:46,920
Speaker 2: I have an account of, like you said, the metabolism

2632
02:23:46,959 --> 02:23:48,040
issue with the drugs.

2633
02:23:48,239 --> 02:23:49,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's amazing.

2634
02:23:49,520 --> 02:23:51,600
Speaker 3: I have no reason to get a heart scan, and

2635
02:23:51,639 --> 02:23:55,959
a lot of people don't, but by god, you should

2636
02:23:56,959 --> 02:23:59,239
figure it out. Just something, you know.

2637
02:23:59,600 --> 02:24:04,879
Speaker 1: Just wellness policy. I mean, look since Eddie, right, I

2638
02:24:04,879 --> 02:24:08,399
mean I haven't heard of many if Eddie like that,

2639
02:24:08,719 --> 02:24:12,719
where you know, there's like this this uh premature sort

2640
02:24:12,760 --> 02:24:16,120
of failure of the heart from these these wrestlers. And

2641
02:24:16,120 --> 02:24:20,159
that's been the huge thing, is like regular cardiogram for

2642
02:24:20,239 --> 02:24:22,239
these guys, and they're much more aware of heart health

2643
02:24:22,280 --> 02:24:24,879
and in early signs.

2644
02:24:26,680 --> 02:24:31,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, so you know it. It was it was weird happenstance,

2645
02:24:31,879 --> 02:24:40,399
and and and I ended up at the cardiothoracic surgeon.

2646
02:24:40,479 --> 02:24:42,719
He's like, yeah, you got to have the surgery. That's

2647
02:24:42,879 --> 02:24:44,559
kind of all there is to it. And I was like,

2648
02:24:44,840 --> 02:24:47,000
it's non invasive, right, you can figure that. No, we

2649
02:24:47,079 --> 02:24:50,200
got to crack the open. Yeah, uh, you know. And

2650
02:24:50,280 --> 02:24:52,319
of course then the fear starts and you start to

2651
02:24:52,399 --> 02:24:56,719
like really kind of think about what your life is

2652
02:24:56,799 --> 02:25:01,479
and was and will be, and you know, all of

2653
02:25:01,520 --> 02:25:02,280
the Brett Hart shit.

2654
02:25:03,520 --> 02:25:05,920
Speaker 2: Well, I'm not sure when is a good time to

2655
02:25:06,159 --> 02:25:08,559
bring this up, but I suppose it'll probably be here

2656
02:25:08,600 --> 02:25:11,959
because when we heard, we were like, oh, man, like

2657
02:25:13,040 --> 02:25:14,840
you know, sharing the word every time we do a

2658
02:25:14,840 --> 02:25:17,000
podcast that you guys are trying to, you know, raise

2659
02:25:17,040 --> 02:25:20,319
the funds to be able to live somewhat seamlessly on

2660
02:25:20,319 --> 02:25:22,520
the other side from a you know, a stability point

2661
02:25:22,520 --> 02:25:24,600
of view. And I'm sure that was challenging. We'll talk

2662
02:25:24,600 --> 02:25:28,639
about that, but it remains challenging. But we're like, what

2663
02:25:28,680 --> 02:25:30,920
can we do? You know, that's a little something extra.

2664
02:25:31,639 --> 02:25:35,000
What can we do that's a little I don't even

2665
02:25:35,040 --> 02:25:37,159
know how to describe like what came over.

2666
02:25:37,079 --> 02:25:43,280
Speaker 3: Us life affirming I would I would go there just no, no,

2667
02:25:43,559 --> 02:25:44,079
don't laugh.

2668
02:25:44,719 --> 02:25:45,479
Speaker 1: Well, well go ahead.

2669
02:25:45,479 --> 02:25:47,159
Speaker 2: I mean I don't want to characterize it any any

2670
02:25:47,159 --> 02:25:49,200
other way than you would as the person who we

2671
02:25:49,239 --> 02:25:53,479
thought we'd try something for. And man, am I so

2672
02:25:53,520 --> 02:25:55,319
happy that we're able to come back and just talk

2673
02:25:55,360 --> 02:25:57,559
about it. Is like this fun thing as opposed to like,

2674
02:25:58,319 --> 02:26:01,200
you know, a missive that could have been one last one,

2675
02:26:01,319 --> 02:26:03,360
you know, I mean, this is serious surgery, as you know,

2676
02:26:03,440 --> 02:26:05,719
and is anyone who just listened to your description told

2677
02:26:05,760 --> 02:26:07,600
and just go ahead if you wouldn't mind.

2678
02:26:07,559 --> 02:26:16,440
Speaker 3: You yeah, so well, it's interesting, right. I. Uh, Jamie

2679
02:26:16,440 --> 02:26:19,799
and I have become as we talked about on the

2680
02:26:19,799 --> 02:26:22,680
show before, Jamie and I have become good friends with

2681
02:26:22,680 --> 02:26:27,360
with Dana Massey, who's Matt Matt Jackson's wife, and she

2682
02:26:27,559 --> 02:26:29,280
came to Chicago, which is about a two and a

2683
02:26:29,280 --> 02:26:31,799
half hour drive for us, for the pay per view

2684
02:26:31,840 --> 02:26:37,239
that was in Chicago. I don't even remember what it

2685
02:26:37,280 --> 02:26:39,399
was because we were only there for about twenty minutes.

2686
02:26:41,360 --> 02:26:43,719
We went and saw her and you know, hung out

2687
02:26:43,719 --> 02:26:50,200
a little bit, and we drove home the next morning,

2688
02:26:50,280 --> 02:26:53,360
which is a Sunday morning, and I suppose I would

2689
02:26:53,360 --> 02:26:57,120
have gotten the mail on Friday or Saturday, but I

2690
02:26:57,120 --> 02:27:01,079
came home to I think in large part thanks to

2691
02:27:02,159 --> 02:27:04,959
Blake reaching out to you guys and you finding a

2692
02:27:06,920 --> 02:27:11,159
sort of place to plant this flag for the first time.

2693
02:27:12,239 --> 02:27:16,000
And uh, there's a bit there's a big, you know,

2694
02:27:16,040 --> 02:27:21,799
sort of FedEx style envelope, and there was a oh god,

2695
02:27:21,840 --> 02:27:22,600
it's right next to me.

2696
02:27:22,639 --> 02:27:23,280
Speaker 1: Where is it at?

2697
02:27:23,600 --> 02:27:28,760
Speaker 3: It's down here somewhere. I believe it was the January

2698
02:27:28,920 --> 02:27:35,079
nineteen ninety two p W I inside p W Pro

2699
02:27:35,120 --> 02:27:38,719
Wrestling Illustrated. Sorry that all these fucking website pisses me off.

2700
02:27:38,719 --> 02:27:40,520
I always get it mixed up with my It's like

2701
02:27:40,520 --> 02:27:42,959
when you want to say Starcade and you say star

2702
02:27:43,079 --> 02:27:45,799
cast instead because of that big old fat of a goo.

2703
02:27:46,239 --> 02:27:49,360
Fuck you, Connie. Now I'm kidding, you know I love you?

2704
02:27:50,159 --> 02:27:55,399
Where count anyway?

2705
02:27:55,479 --> 02:27:58,079
Speaker 2: I claim Connie? Like that.

2706
02:28:00,000 --> 02:28:00,319
Speaker 3: Anyway?

2707
02:28:00,680 --> 02:28:03,879
Speaker 2: Conn Thompson sounds like someone who works at the church.

2708
02:28:05,520 --> 02:28:07,120
Speaker 3: Look here, Gabe, you just don't want to fall out

2709
02:28:07,159 --> 02:28:11,680
of the truck. Okay, whatever did you do? You know we're.

2710
02:28:11,520 --> 02:28:14,559
Speaker 2: Involved right now, Gabe, and correct me if I'm wrong

2711
02:28:14,639 --> 02:28:15,879
in some fellow, Yo.

2712
02:28:16,799 --> 02:28:21,920
Speaker 3: We are. We are engaging. Hell yeah, hell yeah.

2713
02:28:22,959 --> 02:28:25,079
Speaker 1: Let the people know what was in that hot little

2714
02:28:25,120 --> 02:28:26,280
envelope of yours.

2715
02:28:27,239 --> 02:28:31,840
Speaker 3: The January nineteen ninety two Pro Wrestling Illustrated with a

2716
02:28:32,120 --> 02:28:34,440
really terrible picture of Rick Flair on the cover.

2717
02:28:35,239 --> 02:28:37,239
Speaker 1: It's the haircut Jim hed hair. Yeah.

2718
02:28:37,319 --> 02:28:45,760
Speaker 3: Oh god yeah, Spartacus and uh uh what do they

2719
02:28:45,760 --> 02:28:50,200
call those things? Like a little drive? Right? A thumb

2720
02:28:50,280 --> 02:28:50,879
drum drive?

2721
02:28:50,959 --> 02:28:52,040
Speaker 2: Yes, flash drive?

2722
02:28:52,360 --> 02:28:56,520
Speaker 3: Flash drive? And I'm like, and of course you know

2723
02:28:56,600 --> 02:29:02,479
it says on the on the uh I see this

2724
02:29:02,639 --> 02:29:05,879
from you guys because they see the returner drives. I'm like,

2725
02:29:05,879 --> 02:29:09,719
what the hell could this possibly fucking be? And I

2726
02:29:09,760 --> 02:29:11,520
opened it up, I put it in and say, you know,

2727
02:29:11,600 --> 02:29:13,399
the fire. There's a couple of files on there, but

2728
02:29:13,440 --> 02:29:16,360
the one that's important says listen to this Gabe in

2729
02:29:16,360 --> 02:29:21,559
all cats. I'm like, all right, well I might as well,

2730
02:29:21,600 --> 02:29:24,959
and I sit here at my computer for the next

2731
02:29:25,600 --> 02:29:31,159
two hours and forty five minutes. That's correct, And you

2732
02:29:31,239 --> 02:29:36,040
guys just deep dive this fucking magazine for me, just

2733
02:29:36,079 --> 02:29:43,159
for me. Uh. And my wife went had gone into

2734
02:29:43,200 --> 02:29:44,799
the other room to take a nap, and she didn't

2735
02:29:44,840 --> 02:29:46,600
know what was going on. When she came out, I

2736
02:29:46,680 --> 02:29:55,280
was listening to it and I was crying, and she

2737
02:29:55,520 --> 02:29:58,719
was like, well, what what, What's what's wrong? Why is this?

2738
02:30:00,120 --> 02:30:05,879
And And what it comes down to is there are, uh,

2739
02:30:06,280 --> 02:30:07,959
there are things that I've shared with you guys over

2740
02:30:08,000 --> 02:30:15,120
the years that you know, we've had countless conversations and

2741
02:30:15,159 --> 02:30:18,360
for you to remember little things like this was just

2742
02:30:18,399 --> 02:30:23,840
it was just so life farming, like I said, and encouraging.

2743
02:30:25,120 --> 02:30:28,200
But every year on Christmas, as we mentioned, I'm a

2744
02:30:28,200 --> 02:30:30,200
big Christmas guy and you guys are too. I think

2745
02:30:30,200 --> 02:30:33,000
it's you know, that's that's evident.

2746
02:30:32,920 --> 02:30:36,360
Speaker 1: Very much, and we may even overdo it.

2747
02:30:36,360 --> 02:30:37,040
Speaker 2: I don't.

2748
02:30:37,040 --> 02:30:37,280
Speaker 3: I don't.

2749
02:30:37,639 --> 02:30:43,799
Speaker 2: I've never shared that about you're talking about having recorded

2750
02:30:43,799 --> 02:30:46,239
the unwrapping and fucking Santa's Workshop.

2751
02:30:48,799 --> 02:30:53,719
Speaker 3: Man, I I listened first thing every morning, you know. Anyway, Uh,

2752
02:30:54,600 --> 02:30:58,000
in my stocking every year would be a p w I,

2753
02:30:58,079 --> 02:31:01,840
a wrestler, and the third one that I can't remember

2754
02:31:01,840 --> 02:31:04,639
off the top of my head, and.

2755
02:31:04,760 --> 02:31:06,879
Speaker 1: The wrestling insider right.

2756
02:31:07,719 --> 02:31:11,760
Speaker 3: Inside wrestling that's the one. And uh, this was one

2757
02:31:11,799 --> 02:31:13,719
of them at one point for sure, but it was

2758
02:31:14,159 --> 02:31:19,159
I'd always wake up before everybody else would. And the

2759
02:31:19,159 --> 02:31:22,239
only day night of the year that my parents would

2760
02:31:22,319 --> 02:31:25,879
leave the tree lights on would be Christmas Eve. And

2761
02:31:25,959 --> 02:31:29,680
so it's still dark outside and I'm just sitting on

2762
02:31:29,719 --> 02:31:33,159
the couch by the light of the Christmas tree reading

2763
02:31:33,879 --> 02:31:36,479
p w I before my parents wake up, you know,

2764
02:31:36,600 --> 02:31:42,120
including those rankings and all of the bullshit letters, and

2765
02:31:42,120 --> 02:31:44,440
and just thinking like, man, man, I would love to

2766
02:31:44,440 --> 02:31:48,479
see this promotion that I've never heard of. And and

2767
02:31:48,680 --> 02:31:51,840
you guys dove that that magazine and it was just

2768
02:31:52,600 --> 02:31:57,319
I mean, it may be overused on the cast, but

2769
02:31:57,760 --> 02:32:00,399
it was electric, it was electrifying. It was it was

2770
02:32:03,159 --> 02:32:06,600
life affirming, and I can't thank you guys enough for it.

2771
02:32:07,120 --> 02:32:09,319
Speaker 1: Well, boss, I know not to speak for you, but

2772
02:32:09,360 --> 02:32:12,399
I mean we've wanted to do something like that for

2773
02:32:12,440 --> 02:32:15,000
a while because you always talk about the rankings pages

2774
02:32:15,159 --> 02:32:18,280
right right right, and it's like we had, we got,

2775
02:32:18,360 --> 02:32:20,360
we gotta hands on copies of these things as time

2776
02:32:20,440 --> 02:32:23,040
goes and it's like, what if we did it this way?

2777
02:32:23,040 --> 02:32:24,799
What if we did a one of one, you know

2778
02:32:25,079 --> 02:32:28,559
kind of thing. And I don't know as much as

2779
02:32:28,760 --> 02:32:30,360
we did it for que at a certain point it

2780
02:32:30,399 --> 02:32:31,040
was like, this.

2781
02:32:31,120 --> 02:32:33,760
Speaker 2: Is just fucking fun. Yeah, Oh that's that was the

2782
02:32:33,799 --> 02:32:36,440
thing about it. I mean, yes, I'm I'm glad it

2783
02:32:36,479 --> 02:32:40,200
meant something to you game, but it was just fun selfishly.

2784
02:32:40,760 --> 02:32:43,680
Speaker 3: Look, and that's that's the other thing. That's the other thing, right,

2785
02:32:43,799 --> 02:32:45,719
is like I'm listening to this thing and we're going

2786
02:32:45,760 --> 02:32:51,319
through it. I don't remember the last because I don't look,

2787
02:32:52,159 --> 02:32:54,000
and I think I'm not I don't think I'm in

2788
02:32:54,000 --> 02:32:57,000
the minority here. But it's very rare that I watch

2789
02:32:57,079 --> 02:32:59,559
along with anything that you guys do. You know, you

2790
02:32:59,559 --> 02:33:01,360
don't do it ton of watch along as anyway. But

2791
02:33:01,760 --> 02:33:04,000
I've seen these shows so many times that it's just

2792
02:33:04,040 --> 02:33:07,040
like I don't need it I just need them, right

2793
02:33:08,319 --> 02:33:12,319
And this thumbing through it page by page with you

2794
02:33:12,639 --> 02:33:17,280
was the most engaged that I've been with you guys

2795
02:33:17,280 --> 02:33:20,319
for a long period of time, like ever, and it

2796
02:33:20,399 --> 02:33:24,680
was just it was there was a magic about it

2797
02:33:24,680 --> 02:33:26,520
that I can't overstate.

2798
02:33:26,799 --> 02:33:28,920
Speaker 1: Well, we lost you know, we lost physical media. We

2799
02:33:29,000 --> 02:33:32,639
lost it along the way right right, And here's a

2800
02:33:32,680 --> 02:33:35,719
way to to give us a reason to rediscover it.

2801
02:33:35,760 --> 02:33:38,000
Because you can pick up as many old pwy's at

2802
02:33:38,000 --> 02:33:40,520
as many yard sales or whatever, or as many vintage

2803
02:33:40,559 --> 02:33:44,440
shops or you know, antique places or wherever you find

2804
02:33:44,440 --> 02:33:47,559
these things as you want, but it's you have to

2805
02:33:48,879 --> 02:33:51,360
you have to share the enthusiasm of holding that in

2806
02:33:51,399 --> 02:33:54,920
your hand with somebody else to really get closer to

2807
02:33:54,920 --> 02:33:56,959
to that moment we had, the moment you had near

2808
02:33:57,000 --> 02:33:57,319
the tree.

2809
02:33:58,840 --> 02:34:04,360
Speaker 3: Yes, yeahactly, I can feel like it's crazy to think about,

2810
02:34:04,360 --> 02:34:06,000
but I can close my eyes, I can feel it

2811
02:34:06,040 --> 02:34:07,360
now and right like.

2812
02:34:07,639 --> 02:34:09,520
Speaker 1: That's you know, that's what we've been trying to do

2813
02:34:09,639 --> 02:34:11,360
for ten years and trying to do another ten It's like,

2814
02:34:11,920 --> 02:34:14,520
get back to is to let you know, Gabe that

2815
02:34:14,559 --> 02:34:17,719
we were by the tree too, in our own little way,

2816
02:34:18,600 --> 02:34:23,040
and we and there's No, there's no shame in trying

2817
02:34:23,079 --> 02:34:27,280
to go back there. In fact, it's vital. It's vital,

2818
02:34:27,399 --> 02:34:30,159
and well this is great because I haven't had the chance.

2819
02:34:30,200 --> 02:34:30,600
Speaker 3: I know you.

2820
02:34:30,760 --> 02:34:35,120
Speaker 2: Expressed gratitude that whatever I mean. But that that that

2821
02:34:35,159 --> 02:34:37,479
you actually took it in like that is is exactly

2822
02:34:37,559 --> 02:34:39,879
I think what we were hoping for. So oh for sure,

2823
02:34:40,159 --> 02:34:46,360
like that was you. You you kind of organically took

2824
02:34:46,360 --> 02:34:49,280
it exactly what we were what we were hoping for.

2825
02:34:50,280 --> 02:34:57,399
Speaker 3: Well, look, you know, my the soundtrack to my recovery. Unfortunately,

2826
02:34:57,440 --> 02:35:03,559
because I devoured this so quickly. Uh was was ruled

2827
02:35:03,559 --> 02:35:07,040
by the master and ruler of the world, and so

2828
02:35:07,760 --> 02:35:10,280
it was. It was wonderful, don't get me wrong, but

2829
02:35:10,360 --> 02:35:13,319
that was the soundtrack to my recovery. Was was you

2830
02:35:13,319 --> 02:35:16,559
guys going on and on about fucking Vienna sausages every week?

2831
02:35:17,440 --> 02:35:20,040
Speaker 1: Jesus Christ, I think he went on, Have you had

2832
02:35:22,239 --> 02:35:22,559
I have?

2833
02:35:22,719 --> 02:35:24,559
Speaker 3: Yeah? Yeah, I mean anybody that grew up in the

2834
02:35:24,559 --> 02:35:28,520
Midwest has had them. They did, just they're you know,

2835
02:35:28,559 --> 02:35:30,520
they're not my preferred potted meat.

2836
02:35:34,200 --> 02:35:36,639
Speaker 1: Taste. Like we couldn't bring ourselves to try it.

2837
02:35:37,079 --> 02:35:43,479
Speaker 3: Uh, Okay, have either of you had, Pete? Yes, it

2838
02:35:43,559 --> 02:35:47,959
tastes nothing like that, but it's the it's the exact

2839
02:35:48,000 --> 02:35:49,559
same consistency.

2840
02:35:49,079 --> 02:35:51,840
Speaker 2: Of like, So I guess that I would have guessed

2841
02:35:51,879 --> 02:35:54,879
mom a snappy hot dog. Well, I would have guessed

2842
02:35:54,920 --> 02:35:58,639
like kind of a like honestly to me, it looks

2843
02:35:58,680 --> 02:36:02,120
like a hot dog, just kind of it's it's like

2844
02:36:02,200 --> 02:36:03,959
too soft, like it's MUSHes.

2845
02:36:04,079 --> 02:36:06,760
Speaker 3: Correct. Yeah, yeah, there's a little case thing on the outside,

2846
02:36:07,159 --> 02:36:09,920
but you bite into it and just MUSHes. That's why

2847
02:36:09,920 --> 02:36:12,280
most people eat it with crackers because it'll just mush

2848
02:36:12,319 --> 02:36:17,360
on the crackers because it's fucking gross. Yeah. No, not

2849
02:36:17,440 --> 02:36:20,719
a not a great delicacy. But you know, to each

2850
02:36:20,879 --> 02:36:27,120
to each their own. Fuck in West Memphis either you guys,

2851
02:36:27,280 --> 02:36:29,520
we were talking about the tree. Are you guys familiar

2852
02:36:29,559 --> 02:36:34,680
with Simone de Beauvoirs, Sure, okay, one of my favorite

2853
02:36:35,079 --> 02:36:37,680
philosophers of all time. As a matter of fact, I

2854
02:36:37,760 --> 02:36:39,959
used to have a cat named Simon that I named

2855
02:36:40,280 --> 02:36:43,079
He was a boy, but I named him after her.

2856
02:36:43,719 --> 02:36:47,879
She said, what is an adult a child blown up

2857
02:36:47,879 --> 02:36:48,479
by age?

2858
02:36:48,799 --> 02:36:52,520
Speaker 1: Yes, that's great and that's correct.

2859
02:36:52,639 --> 02:36:56,280
Speaker 3: And I interpret that two ways. I interpret that as

2860
02:36:56,360 --> 02:36:59,399
exactly what it sounds like, like. We hold on to

2861
02:36:59,520 --> 02:37:04,239
it all children, and the faster you acknowledge that, the

2862
02:37:04,280 --> 02:37:06,760
faster you can, you can live your life successfully.

2863
02:37:06,879 --> 02:37:24,000
Speaker 4: Yes, the LAPSTNG Wrestling Podcast, the wrestling podcast that knows

2864
02:37:24,040 --> 02:37:27,239
the boys need their candy. It's the Lapsed Fan.

2865
02:37:27,520 --> 02:37:29,440
Speaker 6: Just because we posted a new episode of The Lapsed

2866
02:37:29,479 --> 02:37:31,479
Fan doesn't mean we are done with the campaign to

2867
02:37:31,520 --> 02:37:34,360
take what is rightfully ours. If you haven't yet, vote

2868
02:37:34,399 --> 02:37:36,680
for The Lapsed Fan to win the award for Wrestling

2869
02:37:36,680 --> 02:37:39,559
Podcast of the Year, click on this show's notes, follow

2870
02:37:39,600 --> 02:37:41,000
the link and do the right thing.

2871
02:37:55,440 --> 02:38:00,920
Speaker 4: He's The Lapsed Fan Wrestling podcast with Jack and.

2872
02:38:01,399 --> 02:38:01,520
Speaker 2: I.

2873
02:38:01,559 --> 02:38:06,319
Speaker 3: Also, you can look at it as a little bit

2874
02:38:06,840 --> 02:38:14,440
less bubbly a worldview. We lose our childhood, we lose

2875
02:38:14,879 --> 02:38:19,200
that innocence as we grow. It's blown literally blown up,

2876
02:38:19,840 --> 02:38:23,399
a child, blown up by age. Whether that's what she

2877
02:38:23,479 --> 02:38:25,440
meant or not, I don't know, but I think about

2878
02:38:25,440 --> 02:38:28,319
it a lot, especially when we talk about the shame

2879
02:38:28,399 --> 02:38:31,920
of enjoying professional wrestling and the pain and all of

2880
02:38:31,920 --> 02:38:36,520
that stuff. The reason I think it's it's important to

2881
02:38:36,559 --> 02:38:41,239
talk about now, at least for me, is that, whether

2882
02:38:41,280 --> 02:38:46,399
you want to or not, going through something like this

2883
02:38:46,840 --> 02:38:51,559
gives you a little bit of perspective, and as cliche

2884
02:38:51,639 --> 02:38:53,280
as that sounds, I mean.

2885
02:38:53,200 --> 02:38:55,399
Speaker 1: That's that's a huge part of the reason that we

2886
02:38:55,440 --> 02:38:57,600
felt this is how we should start the year, because

2887
02:38:58,079 --> 02:39:02,159
you're you're now coming back to us having come up

2888
02:39:02,159 --> 02:39:05,000
to a line that we all hope no one in

2889
02:39:05,040 --> 02:39:06,360
the Solar System has to walk up to.

2890
02:39:06,520 --> 02:39:10,559
Speaker 2: But yeah, but you know, you're so in the inner

2891
02:39:10,600 --> 02:39:13,680
sanctum of what we do, and we know you so

2892
02:39:13,799 --> 02:39:18,040
much more than we do the other Solar System members

2893
02:39:18,079 --> 02:39:19,959
that we're really turning to you for this. So so

2894
02:39:20,000 --> 02:39:21,879
don't hesitate, don't worry about cliches.

2895
02:39:22,399 --> 02:39:35,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's it's I shame doesn't really doesn't really factor

2896
02:39:35,159 --> 02:39:39,319
in for me much anymore. I think there's there's uh,

2897
02:39:40,280 --> 02:39:42,600
there's always something below the service that's always going to

2898
02:39:42,680 --> 02:39:44,920
be there. It's just it's just kind of inherent and you,

2899
02:39:45,120 --> 02:39:47,799
especially if you've dealt with it for a long enough time,

2900
02:39:48,040 --> 02:39:54,159
it's part of you. But you know this what we're

2901
02:39:54,200 --> 02:39:57,319
doing here, you know, talking about it, what you guys do,

2902
02:39:57,840 --> 02:40:02,680
listening to you guys so masterfully do what you do,

2903
02:40:03,719 --> 02:40:11,000
and then even kind of extracted and blown out into

2904
02:40:11,159 --> 02:40:13,680
you know, at a thirty thousand foot view, the things

2905
02:40:13,719 --> 02:40:17,520
that Blake and I are doing with stupid, silly voices

2906
02:40:17,600 --> 02:40:23,959
and sort of unvarnished bullshit where we don't filter ourselves

2907
02:40:24,000 --> 02:40:26,040
for better or worse. One day we're going to get

2908
02:40:26,079 --> 02:40:31,520
in trouble. But like it, just you have to soak

2909
02:40:31,559 --> 02:40:35,239
in every little piece of everything. And I went back

2910
02:40:35,239 --> 02:40:39,440
to the hospital on Thursday of this week because so

2911
02:40:39,760 --> 02:40:43,239
because I have this mechanical heart valve, my blood has

2912
02:40:43,280 --> 02:40:46,280
to be thin forever. So I'm on blood thinners and

2913
02:40:46,639 --> 02:40:50,639
so it doesn't clot up on the non biological material

2914
02:40:50,760 --> 02:40:53,159
and send a blood clot to my brain and kill me.

2915
02:40:54,760 --> 02:40:57,000
I have to get tested every once in a while,

2916
02:40:57,079 --> 02:40:59,719
and the blood thinner stuff that you take is a

2917
02:40:59,719 --> 02:41:01,920
little finicky and they have to figure out the right

2918
02:41:01,959 --> 02:41:04,200
dosage and all this stuff. And I went two weeks

2919
02:41:04,200 --> 02:41:05,840
in a row and it was too low, which means

2920
02:41:05,920 --> 02:41:08,159
blood was too thick, and so they had to take

2921
02:41:08,200 --> 02:41:11,760
me to the hospital and pump me full of IVY

2922
02:41:11,760 --> 02:41:14,280
blood thinners for three days to get my numbers back right.

2923
02:41:14,559 --> 02:41:19,799
You know. So I was climbing the walls. But uh,

2924
02:41:20,040 --> 02:41:31,120
the point is that it's it's just don't oh oh sorry,

2925
02:41:31,159 --> 02:41:33,079
I knew I was going somewhere with that I watched

2926
02:41:33,079 --> 02:41:35,280
Saturday night's main event in the fucking hospital and the

2927
02:41:35,319 --> 02:41:37,680
nurses were walking in and out. I could not have

2928
02:41:37,760 --> 02:41:38,360
killed less.

2929
02:41:38,520 --> 02:41:38,959
Speaker 1: That's it.

2930
02:41:39,600 --> 02:41:43,840
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. You know. I wish they would stop

2931
02:41:43,840 --> 02:41:46,040
with these fucking half measures and just do what they're

2932
02:41:46,040 --> 02:41:49,079
supposed to do on something like this, But you know

2933
02:41:50,399 --> 02:41:52,079
I can beggars and choosers.

2934
02:41:51,680 --> 02:41:54,479
Speaker 1: Right, hospital thoughts, Yeah.

2935
02:41:54,319 --> 02:41:57,159
Speaker 3: Exactly, for Christ's sake, I did like the bike rack.

2936
02:41:57,200 --> 02:41:59,239
Why couldn't you have the bike rack at ringside too?

2937
02:41:59,360 --> 02:42:02,159
Give me a break, Like we can't see the people's knees.

2938
02:42:02,200 --> 02:42:07,520
This is a problem for us. Yeah, anyway, anyway, that's

2939
02:42:07,559 --> 02:42:10,520
my point is just that let it go, guys, let

2940
02:42:10,520 --> 02:42:14,120
it go. Like if you like something, just enjoy it.

2941
02:42:14,680 --> 02:42:16,719
And and it doesn't mean you have to be loud

2942
02:42:16,719 --> 02:42:22,079
about it. But like nobody, none of it fucking matters, right,

2943
02:42:22,159 --> 02:42:25,360
it's and you know, Blake's taught me a lot in

2944
02:42:25,399 --> 02:42:28,040
this regard, even before all of this shit went down.

2945
02:42:28,079 --> 02:42:32,719
But his go to his mantra is it's fine, and

2946
02:42:32,840 --> 02:42:35,520
it is it always is, even if it's not.

2947
02:42:35,879 --> 02:42:39,319
Speaker 1: It's fine, right, even if it's not, the power of

2948
02:42:39,360 --> 02:42:45,719
declaring it so helps, Yeah, to say it's fine. Helps

2949
02:42:45,840 --> 02:42:48,879
even if it's not.

2950
02:42:50,200 --> 02:42:53,440
Speaker 3: If I can, before you know, we we wrap and

2951
02:42:53,479 --> 02:42:55,159
I don't want to take up more, too much more

2952
02:42:55,159 --> 02:42:57,600
of your time. We've been going on for half an hour,

2953
02:42:57,680 --> 02:43:01,000
but I want to address solar system, if that's all

2954
02:43:01,040 --> 02:43:01,440
right with you.

2955
02:43:01,600 --> 02:43:03,159
Speaker 1: Absolutely.

2956
02:43:08,639 --> 02:43:14,399
Speaker 3: The outpouring that I saw from the solar system was

2957
02:43:15,440 --> 02:43:18,479
and I don't use this term lightly. I really thought

2958
02:43:18,479 --> 02:43:24,760
about it. It was debilitating, it was huge, it was swift,

2959
02:43:25,120 --> 02:43:32,120
it was kind, it was overwhelming. Lots of people donated

2960
02:43:32,280 --> 02:43:36,520
names that I recognize. Some are out there. Someone donated anonymously,

2961
02:43:36,600 --> 02:43:41,040
so I'm not going to blow up their spot. Some

2962
02:43:41,200 --> 02:43:44,559
as little as five bucks, but it it doesn't matter.

2963
02:43:44,760 --> 02:43:47,280
It's about the it's about the Hello ship.

2964
02:43:47,920 --> 02:43:50,040
Speaker 1: Well some some of them only had seven bucks in

2965
02:43:50,079 --> 02:43:52,120
their pocket, but if you stick with them long enough.

2966
02:43:54,799 --> 02:43:57,120
Speaker 3: I did not, unfortunately, get a truck.

2967
02:43:58,760 --> 02:44:01,959
Speaker 1: Did I. But before you go on, which I really

2968
02:44:01,959 --> 02:44:04,200
want you to, I wanted to ask when you first

2969
02:44:04,200 --> 02:44:06,879
came out of the Boss, I'll I'll que you up next,

2970
02:44:07,879 --> 02:44:08,879
did it hurt to laugh?

2971
02:44:08,920 --> 02:44:09,319
Speaker 3: And like?

2972
02:44:09,399 --> 02:44:12,440
Speaker 1: Could you not listen to us? I was? I was thinking,

2973
02:44:12,520 --> 02:44:14,200
we are you actually going to hurt this guy?

2974
02:44:14,159 --> 02:44:14,280
Speaker 2: Ye?

2975
02:44:15,040 --> 02:44:20,239
Speaker 3: Yes, yes you are. And you did yes, Fox, they

2976
02:44:20,239 --> 02:44:21,719
sent me home, and well, it gave it to me

2977
02:44:21,760 --> 02:44:24,239
to the first day I was. I was there after surgery.

2978
02:44:24,280 --> 02:44:26,840
But I have a heart shaped pillow that's very thick

2979
02:44:26,879 --> 02:44:29,399
and very fluffy, and they pull it full of stuff

2980
02:44:29,920 --> 02:44:32,600
and it was for me to use when I laugh

2981
02:44:32,840 --> 02:44:35,280
or cough or sneeze. I was supposed to hug it

2982
02:44:35,799 --> 02:44:41,879
to protect my breastbone. Oh and most every night in

2983
02:44:41,920 --> 02:44:44,760
the hospital when I had you guys on, because I

2984
02:44:44,799 --> 02:44:48,920
couldn't stand to watch the nineteen inch flat screen television

2985
02:44:48,959 --> 02:44:55,159
in the room without my glasses on. Yes, I laughed

2986
02:44:55,200 --> 02:44:58,159
a lot and hugged that pillow quite a bit. Because

2987
02:44:58,159 --> 02:45:02,440
of your ridict Us College podcast.

2988
02:45:04,159 --> 02:45:06,799
Speaker 1: Well, I'm glad you had a way to mitigate the impact. Boss.

2989
02:45:06,840 --> 02:45:07,840
Did you want to say something there?

2990
02:45:07,920 --> 02:45:10,520
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I was actually curious. Did anyone give you

2991
02:45:10,559 --> 02:45:11,920
seven dollars?

2992
02:45:12,360 --> 02:45:15,079
Speaker 3: I don't think so. I think I think there was one.

2993
02:45:15,120 --> 02:45:17,440
I think one guy gave three sixteen, which is pretty

2994
02:45:17,479 --> 02:45:18,079
fucking cool.

2995
02:45:18,440 --> 02:45:19,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's great.

2996
02:45:19,520 --> 02:45:26,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I did want to shout out Dickie, a man

2997
02:45:26,319 --> 02:45:29,520
who I have never even spoken to, who's another you know,

2998
02:45:29,639 --> 02:45:32,799
died in the wool member of the Solar system, and

2999
02:45:34,959 --> 02:45:40,120
we were Yeah, As a matter of fact, Blake and

3000
02:45:40,159 --> 02:45:42,799
I swore vengeance for finding out that he gave that

3001
02:45:43,440 --> 02:45:47,159
fucking branding iron to Brandon from New Jersey, who, by

3002
02:45:47,200 --> 02:45:49,559
the way, is responsible for those drones.

3003
02:45:49,600 --> 02:45:54,440
Speaker 1: I've decided, well, it's my understanding that he actually gave

3004
02:45:54,479 --> 02:45:56,719
it to John Pollock, the homie from post wrestling, but

3005
02:45:56,760 --> 02:45:58,799
I could be wrong about that. I think there may

3006
02:45:58,559 --> 02:45:59,520
be Jackson.

3007
02:45:59,239 --> 02:46:04,520
Speaker 3: Pollock pretty sure he painted some of the paintings in

3008
02:46:04,559 --> 02:46:07,000
the hotel room or the hospital.

3009
02:46:06,680 --> 02:46:08,559
Speaker 1: Room with the browning iron.

3010
02:46:08,639 --> 02:46:14,280
Speaker 3: Yes, whoever whoever he gave it to, he won it.

3011
02:46:14,360 --> 02:46:16,360
He didn't take it back to Australia because he didn't

3012
02:46:16,399 --> 02:46:19,479
want to pay for custom yard. I don't blame him there, no,

3013
02:46:19,520 --> 02:46:20,360
I it's no I know.

3014
02:46:20,479 --> 02:46:23,639
Speaker 2: I'm the first thing I thought of, like ad Belluh

3015
02:46:24,040 --> 02:46:27,920
he they the fuck is this?

3016
02:46:29,239 --> 02:46:29,879
Speaker 1: It's a weapon?

3017
02:46:29,959 --> 02:46:33,280
Speaker 3: Sir? Yeah, it's a good point. I guess that's true.

3018
02:46:33,600 --> 02:46:37,600
Ship it for three hundred and fifty dollars. Yeah, No,

3019
02:46:37,760 --> 02:46:43,159
I all jokes aside. Like I was, I was astonished

3020
02:46:43,200 --> 02:46:45,799
time and time again by the generosity of people through

3021
02:46:45,799 --> 02:46:50,000
this thing, especially it's such a crap shoot and you

3022
02:46:50,079 --> 02:46:53,559
kinda like the thought went through my head like you

3023
02:46:53,680 --> 02:46:57,000
kind of only get one shot at doing a GoFundMe

3024
02:46:57,040 --> 02:46:57,520
in your life.

3025
02:46:57,559 --> 02:46:58,040
Speaker 1: That's true.

3026
02:46:58,200 --> 02:47:00,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know what I mean, Like it's like it

3027
02:47:00,920 --> 02:47:05,319
hasfe story. Yeah, if you have any shame at all, right,

3028
02:47:05,360 --> 02:47:08,959
And while we talked about losing it in this case, yes,

3029
02:47:09,000 --> 02:47:13,920
I have a fair amount of shame. So so I

3030
02:47:14,000 --> 02:47:15,799
went back and forth a lot about whether or not

3031
02:47:15,799 --> 02:47:17,920
to even do this. But like again we're back to

3032
02:47:17,959 --> 02:47:20,840
this life affirming thing where it's like, holy shit, the

3033
02:47:20,879 --> 02:47:26,319
generosity of people is just astonishing. People complete strangers, people

3034
02:47:26,319 --> 02:47:29,319
from the podcast who listen to the same podcast as you,

3035
02:47:29,479 --> 02:47:33,120
giving you two hundred three hundred, four hundred five hundred dollars.

3036
02:47:33,760 --> 02:47:39,559
And it's like that is that doesn't make any logical sense.

3037
02:47:40,360 --> 02:47:44,520
But what connects us is so much stronger than what

3038
02:47:44,600 --> 02:47:50,079
divides us. And today right now, fucking especially that shit

3039
02:47:50,200 --> 02:47:51,040
we got to hold onto.

3040
02:47:51,399 --> 02:47:56,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, well I just think I mean ten, well, twelve

3041
02:47:56,079 --> 02:48:00,239
years ago, twenty years ago, it's not really not really

3042
02:48:00,280 --> 02:48:04,399
an option available to people to build a community around

3043
02:48:04,440 --> 02:48:07,559
something called a podcast such that they consider you, you know,

3044
02:48:07,639 --> 02:48:11,280
brothers and sisters in arms, not just fellow spectators. You know.

3045
02:48:11,879 --> 02:48:16,319
It's just it's a new I think it's an underappreciated

3046
02:48:16,399 --> 02:48:19,479
part of what podcasting is and it's unique to podcasting.

3047
02:48:19,520 --> 02:48:23,879
Speaker 2: Well, I'm saying this what podcasting can be. That's right, correct, Yes,

3048
02:48:24,280 --> 02:48:27,719
thank you for that. What it strives, I think, what

3049
02:48:27,799 --> 02:48:30,120
it strives to what everyone kind of strives to want.

3050
02:48:30,440 --> 02:48:33,280
Speaker 1: That's that's the testament. That's the testament to to why

3051
02:48:33,520 --> 02:48:36,399
we why we would bother doing as much as we do,

3052
02:48:37,079 --> 02:48:40,000
because like we just keep going and people keep showing

3053
02:48:40,000 --> 02:48:41,000
that actually.

3054
02:48:42,680 --> 02:48:43,040
Speaker 3: Matters.

3055
02:48:44,200 --> 02:48:46,920
Speaker 1: I guess you can say it matters. Yeah, it matters,

3056
02:48:46,920 --> 02:48:49,280
and it matters in as much as to me, it

3057
02:48:49,280 --> 02:48:51,559
doesn't matter until it's made manifest in the real world.

3058
02:48:51,559 --> 02:48:53,399
And this is real. This is real support. This is

3059
02:48:53,440 --> 02:48:57,120
not people pretending to support you because they want to

3060
02:48:57,120 --> 02:48:59,239
be part of a crew or correct.

3061
02:48:59,600 --> 02:49:02,200
Speaker 3: Right, when you're talking about cash.

3062
02:49:02,319 --> 02:49:05,040
Speaker 1: There's in the United States of America. I mean, until

3063
02:49:05,280 --> 02:49:07,440
there's money exchange, no one believes anything.

3064
02:49:08,120 --> 02:49:20,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's we we joke about fellowship, right, but the

3065
02:49:20,479 --> 02:49:23,680
reality is I I think back on on our dinner

3066
02:49:23,719 --> 02:49:29,280
in Philadelphia quite a bit, just for the uninitiated or unaware,

3067
02:49:30,239 --> 02:49:33,520
Blake and I, you guys have heard us, you know,

3068
02:49:33,600 --> 02:49:37,159
on the show before talking about our podcast we wanted

3069
02:49:37,159 --> 02:49:40,000
to advertise with with the Boys here and try to

3070
02:49:40,000 --> 02:49:42,680
get the name out on the podcast. And we knew

3071
02:49:42,719 --> 02:49:44,159
we were all going to be in Philly together, and

3072
02:49:44,159 --> 02:49:47,639
so we invited Jack and JP and we went into

3073
02:49:47,639 --> 02:49:50,239
some steakhouse. It's fantastic.

3074
02:49:50,239 --> 02:49:53,399
Speaker 2: It's the best stake I've ever heard some steakhouse.

3075
02:49:54,159 --> 02:49:59,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, look, I wasn't going to go there, but it

3076
02:49:59,360 --> 02:50:03,200
wasn't wasn't an inexpensive a fellowship.

3077
02:50:02,879 --> 02:50:05,719
Speaker 1: Especially especially when you order the Butcher's cut with no

3078
02:50:05,799 --> 02:50:08,879
price on a menu. They just represent that such a

3079
02:50:08,920 --> 02:50:10,719
thing exists. Verbally, I'm just glad.

3080
02:50:10,760 --> 02:50:15,440
Speaker 2: I'm just glad that we all we all felt for that, right.

3081
02:50:15,639 --> 02:50:17,879
Speaker 3: But yeah, it was just like we got them and

3082
02:50:17,920 --> 02:50:20,000
we kind of like looked at each other. My favorite

3083
02:50:20,040 --> 02:50:23,319
part of the evening, however, was when Jack and JP arrived.

3084
02:50:24,280 --> 02:50:26,959
So Blake and I are there and we're just wearing

3085
02:50:26,959 --> 02:50:32,719
shirts and jeans, right. The bouncer threatened to not let

3086
02:50:32,799 --> 02:50:36,479
Jack and JP in because they were wearing sweatpants. To the.

3087
02:50:39,079 --> 02:50:40,000
Speaker 1: No, it was it was just me.

3088
02:50:40,079 --> 02:50:42,120
Speaker 2: I had the ath Leisure, I had the Vioris on

3089
02:50:42,520 --> 02:50:44,920
you know, which, Yes, I could have bought a twenty

3090
02:50:44,920 --> 02:50:46,120
dollars pair of chinos that would have.

3091
02:50:46,120 --> 02:50:49,760
Speaker 1: Been like way less expensive. That's what hilarious anyway.

3092
02:50:49,600 --> 02:50:51,719
Speaker 3: And and Jaff walks in and he's like, they're not

3093
02:50:51,719 --> 02:50:53,040
gonna let us in, and I was like, what do

3094
02:50:53,040 --> 02:50:55,120
you mean? And he said he just told me I

3095
02:50:55,159 --> 02:50:57,159
couldn't come in. And I was like, well, we're already in,

3096
02:50:57,200 --> 02:50:58,319
so let's walk to the table.

3097
02:51:00,879 --> 02:51:04,159
Speaker 1: And he just looked at me like he was watching

3098
02:51:04,600 --> 02:51:07,319
a ship take off that had his wife on it

3099
02:51:07,360 --> 02:51:11,239
and he knew he was never gonna get to it.

3100
02:51:11,239 --> 02:51:13,799
Speaker 2: It's like, okay, here, here's what I'll do. You say

3101
02:51:13,840 --> 02:51:16,159
I can't get into the dress code. Okay, buddy, thanks

3102
02:51:16,200 --> 02:51:17,319
a lot. You know what I'm gonna do. I'm gonna

3103
02:51:17,319 --> 02:51:19,120
go I remember this now. I'm gonna go talk to

3104
02:51:19,159 --> 02:51:21,079
them about it because they're waiting on me. I got people,

3105
02:51:21,079 --> 02:51:23,200
they're waiting on me, and then by go talk to

3106
02:51:23,239 --> 02:51:24,760
them about it. What I mean is I'm going to

3107
02:51:24,799 --> 02:51:26,479
walk up to them and then follow them into the

3108
02:51:26,479 --> 02:51:31,079
dining room. Correct, And I'm again, and you, my friend,

3109
02:51:31,479 --> 02:51:35,440
won't do a goddamn thing about it. That's exactly what happened.

3110
02:51:36,719 --> 02:51:44,399
Speaker 3: So you know, uh, eight later, that's.

3111
02:51:44,200 --> 02:51:46,079
Speaker 1: More of a burn's cut than a Butcher's cut.

3112
02:51:46,639 --> 02:51:55,479
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think about that night a lot, not because

3113
02:51:55,520 --> 02:51:59,879
the steak was so good, but because the the com

3114
02:52:00,040 --> 02:52:02,399
and he was was incredible and we had such a

3115
02:52:02,399 --> 02:52:06,159
good time and we laughed and we it was it

3116
02:52:06,239 --> 02:52:13,840
was just great. And and that's uh, that's the relationship

3117
02:52:13,840 --> 02:52:17,959
that you guys foster with your people and we are

3118
02:52:18,120 --> 02:52:24,040
their people. Everybody listening, that's I think what will continue

3119
02:52:24,079 --> 02:52:27,479
to find it and be responsible for for tlf's continued

3120
02:52:27,479 --> 02:52:33,799
success and dominance. Good hearts. Unlike me, and it's been,

3121
02:52:36,559 --> 02:52:39,120
it's been here it is again so life affirming to

3122
02:52:39,280 --> 02:52:41,600
be a small part of what you have all created

3123
02:52:41,639 --> 02:52:46,079
for us. And it's really important what you do, not

3124
02:52:46,239 --> 02:52:53,559
because uh, you've helped me and my family get through

3125
02:52:54,120 --> 02:52:57,719
what is the yeah you said it at the top,

3126
02:52:57,799 --> 02:53:02,600
the trial of our lives thus far, but that but

3127
02:53:02,680 --> 02:53:07,639
that it's not unlike everything else around, what it is

3128
02:53:07,639 --> 02:53:11,799
that you do, it's not fake, right, and and that's

3129
02:53:12,200 --> 02:53:15,319
that's a thing. That's a real fucking thing. Guys.

3130
02:53:15,479 --> 02:53:18,840
Speaker 1: Well toast to you, Gabe. And the bottom line here

3131
02:53:19,639 --> 02:53:22,719
to me at least, is that we make a podcast

3132
02:53:23,120 --> 02:53:26,479
and we tried to think about people who we'd like

3133
02:53:27,280 --> 02:53:30,559
to share company with. Around wrestling that we talk about

3134
02:53:30,559 --> 02:53:32,040
it all the time. We just didn't have access to

3135
02:53:32,079 --> 02:53:34,360
in our immediate lives. We just you know, we didn't

3136
02:53:34,360 --> 02:53:36,239
have a lot of wrestling fans around us growing up.

3137
02:53:36,239 --> 02:53:38,280
There were some, but they were fair weather. They would

3138
02:53:38,280 --> 02:53:41,440
never understand why we'd spend the hours we spend not

3139
02:53:41,479 --> 02:53:46,840
only watching, but then dissecting, joking, meming, just creating these

3140
02:53:47,040 --> 02:53:51,360
these infinite halls of mirrors, of references and this impossible

3141
02:53:51,479 --> 02:53:56,239
to penetrate series of inside jokes and everything everything it is.

3142
02:53:56,479 --> 02:54:01,159
And just by doing that, if after ten years it

3143
02:54:01,200 --> 02:54:04,440
can create a vibe, for lack of a better term,

3144
02:54:04,479 --> 02:54:06,920
that that helps you a little bit and helps others.

3145
02:54:07,079 --> 02:54:08,959
And that's all we have to do is just be

3146
02:54:09,079 --> 02:54:12,799
true to yeah, right, how how much goddamn fun we

3147
02:54:12,799 --> 02:54:16,600
can have with this stuff. Then sign me up for

3148
02:54:16,600 --> 02:54:18,680
another ten years and.

3149
02:54:18,440 --> 02:54:21,920
Speaker 2: Basically do what we've been doing since college. You know,

3150
02:54:22,000 --> 02:54:24,799
on our own what it is.

3151
02:54:24,959 --> 02:54:27,360
Speaker 3: You're stuck with me forever. As long as you guys

3152
02:54:27,399 --> 02:54:30,520
are even remotely public figures, you're just screwed.

3153
02:54:31,559 --> 02:54:33,799
Speaker 2: The point is it just blossoms. It blossoms. You don't

3154
02:54:33,799 --> 02:54:35,159
have to just sit down and stay. We're gonna make

3155
02:54:35,200 --> 02:54:37,639
a podcast, it's gonna mean something to people. No, you

3156
02:54:37,760 --> 02:54:40,719
just fucking do it. I mean that's the thing too,

3157
02:54:40,840 --> 02:54:43,920
like that that was never that was never an intention,

3158
02:54:44,639 --> 02:54:47,920
never we sought out to do. It's like you know,

3159
02:54:48,000 --> 02:54:52,360
I always I always think about, you know, the one

3160
02:54:52,399 --> 02:54:57,680
email that that always has stuck in my mind and

3161
02:54:57,760 --> 02:55:00,559
I apologize. I don't remember the gentleman's name, but the

3162
02:55:00,600 --> 02:55:04,239
guy who got in the car accident, and you know,

3163
02:55:04,559 --> 02:55:07,360
like that that always sticks because that was to me,

3164
02:55:07,479 --> 02:55:09,319
that was something like I was like, holy shit, Like

3165
02:55:11,719 --> 02:55:17,040
I never I never would have thought that number one,

3166
02:55:17,280 --> 02:55:22,399
we would be that to somebody. And then in this case,

3167
02:55:23,719 --> 02:55:26,360
I never would have thought that we would have had

3168
02:55:27,360 --> 02:55:32,319
the you know, would have built a community that would

3169
02:55:32,399 --> 02:55:37,079
be willing to help. That's right, a stranger, a stranger,

3170
02:55:37,600 --> 02:55:40,239
Like that's fucking Christmas right there.

3171
02:55:42,399 --> 02:55:47,479
Speaker 3: Oh man, uh yeah, yeah, you know, next time and

3172
02:55:47,680 --> 02:55:52,920
next time there's a big wrestling event in h south

3173
02:55:54,040 --> 02:55:56,360
Southeast Missouri, we should all meet up and go to

3174
02:55:56,440 --> 02:56:02,799
Lambert's gonna throw me home home with a throat rolled baby.

3175
02:56:04,360 --> 02:56:09,680
I uh. I when I was god well before any

3176
02:56:09,719 --> 02:56:12,920
of this bullshit, like two thousand and nine ten, I

3177
02:56:13,000 --> 02:56:16,639
was working in Memphis, but my my ex was in Chicago.

3178
02:56:16,760 --> 02:56:19,000
So I was driving back and forth to Memphis every

3179
02:56:19,000 --> 02:56:24,959
two weeks, and I'd go basically right through Sykeston, uh,

3180
02:56:25,399 --> 02:56:28,280
every two weeks. And and on that drive down, you

3181
02:56:28,360 --> 02:56:30,479
bet your ass, I went to the Lamberts.

3182
02:56:30,680 --> 02:56:34,680
Speaker 1: Wow, it's great to show us the ways. Yeah, talk

3183
02:56:34,719 --> 02:56:40,159
about the show me State, show me them fucking Airborne

3184
02:56:40,239 --> 02:56:41,799
more like to state.

3185
02:56:42,120 --> 02:56:44,520
Speaker 3: We can just we can just take a three a

3186
02:56:44,559 --> 02:56:46,879
quick three hour drive down to West Memphis too, and

3187
02:56:47,879 --> 02:56:49,440
go see the sights.

3188
02:56:51,159 --> 02:56:53,239
Speaker 2: Let's go to Saint Mary's Cathedral and see if they

3189
02:56:53,239 --> 02:56:59,399
got me Viennas and stock Well, no, I guess we

3190
02:56:59,479 --> 02:57:04,920
already got the ball of water too. You know, I

3191
02:57:04,920 --> 02:57:08,959
gotta tell you something. So actually today yeah, all right,

3192
02:57:09,040 --> 02:57:13,799
so today today, you know, I I I had my

3193
02:57:13,799 --> 02:57:16,879
my my daughter was that was in had a competition,

3194
02:57:17,399 --> 02:57:19,239
and so I was there and I said, you know what,

3195
02:57:19,280 --> 02:57:23,680
I was thirsty and I didn't have my water bottle.

3196
02:57:24,200 --> 02:57:32,680
So I actually went out. I was like, I got

3197
02:57:32,639 --> 02:57:33,120
a ball water.

3198
02:57:35,319 --> 02:57:38,120
Speaker 1: That's the that's the anthem for t l f x

3199
02:57:38,319 --> 02:57:41,280
X the next ten years. Everybody in our in the

3200
02:57:41,319 --> 02:57:43,040
sound of our voice, you go and order a water

3201
02:57:43,079 --> 02:57:48,399
in public, You order a ball of water. It's a

3202
02:57:48,440 --> 02:57:49,079
great idea.

3203
02:57:53,159 --> 02:57:56,879
Speaker 3: The ball of water conversation leads me to just one

3204
02:57:56,959 --> 02:57:59,399
question that I'll leave you guys with. And maybe you

3205
02:57:59,399 --> 02:58:01,520
guys are going to bound upon this elsewhere. Maybe you

3206
02:58:01,559 --> 02:58:07,719
already have. We uh, we got the Terry Funk retrospective, right,

3207
02:58:08,120 --> 02:58:10,239
and that was what like twenty five parts?

3208
02:58:12,319 --> 02:58:17,440
Speaker 2: And then I can't even answer that. Twenty five hours

3209
02:58:17,479 --> 02:58:20,200
at least on a twenty five parts or twenty five hours, there's.

3210
02:58:20,079 --> 02:58:22,719
Speaker 3: A whole hell of a lot. And then we got

3211
02:58:22,760 --> 02:58:26,559
we got SID and and I remember I remember tweets.

3212
02:58:26,639 --> 02:58:29,840
I believe it was tweets or certainly misses from Jack

3213
02:58:29,879 --> 02:58:32,639
going like, you know, I don't know that anybody else

3214
02:58:32,719 --> 02:58:35,959
is going to warrant quite as much, quite as much

3215
02:58:36,559 --> 02:58:39,159
delving into the past as Terry did. But you know,

3216
02:58:39,200 --> 02:58:43,399
we'll see how things go. We got like at least

3217
02:58:43,479 --> 02:58:50,239
thirty hours of SID, right, Like, have you just blocked

3218
02:58:50,280 --> 02:58:55,000
out all of the year? Whenever Flair dies? That is

3219
02:58:55,159 --> 02:58:57,680
going to be once a week you're gonna get six

3220
02:58:57,719 --> 02:58:59,360
and a half hours over lair.

3221
02:59:01,200 --> 02:59:03,440
Speaker 1: I don't know, boss, I think we better check our

3222
02:59:03,440 --> 02:59:04,680
short term disability leave.

3223
02:59:08,319 --> 02:59:10,600
Speaker 2: I mean, you know, it's funny. There was prep at

3224
02:59:10,639 --> 02:59:12,479
one point and when he was really sick and then

3225
02:59:12,959 --> 02:59:15,000
but it's a you know that was back then. It's

3226
02:59:15,000 --> 02:59:16,520
a whole different fucking ball game.

3227
02:59:16,559 --> 02:59:18,760
Speaker 3: Now it is the whole it is. It's the whole

3228
02:59:18,760 --> 02:59:19,120
ball game.

3229
02:59:19,959 --> 02:59:21,079
Speaker 2: Damn, it's the whole ball game.

3230
02:59:21,879 --> 02:59:23,840
Speaker 1: It's a great question, Gabe, and I've been lying if

3231
02:59:23,840 --> 02:59:26,280
I you know, as always it's like.

3232
02:59:26,840 --> 02:59:28,440
Speaker 3: Wait, don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining.

3233
02:59:28,520 --> 02:59:31,360
Speaker 1: No, no, I don't know. Yeah no, it's always like oh,

3234
02:59:31,440 --> 02:59:33,799
you guys, like it's taking so long, and then like

3235
02:59:34,200 --> 02:59:35,760
you can do another one.

3236
02:59:35,920 --> 02:59:40,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, no, right, it's so Look, you know what

3237
02:59:40,920 --> 02:59:42,799
the funny thing Blake and I were talking about the

3238
02:59:42,840 --> 02:59:48,159
other day, like the how thorough and how deeply researched

3239
02:59:48,239 --> 02:59:53,079
all of this ship is is so daunting that early

3240
02:59:53,159 --> 02:59:55,760
on when we were starting this baseball thing, it was like, well,

3241
02:59:55,760 --> 02:59:57,879
I'll do you know, I'll jump into the you know,

3242
02:59:57,879 --> 03:00:01,159
I have a history, I can do the No, we

3243
03:00:01,200 --> 03:00:03,040
just want we watched the baseball games and we do

3244
03:00:03,079 --> 03:00:06,200
stupid voices that we just we can't. There's no fucking way,

3245
03:00:06,319 --> 03:00:07,600
there's no we can't do it.

3246
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Speaker 2: Yep.

3247
03:00:08,239 --> 03:00:12,799
Speaker 3: It's it's unbelievable. The dedication and the sort of commitment.

3248
03:00:13,319 --> 03:00:16,200
I think that's the word that you have to take

3249
03:00:16,399 --> 03:00:18,680
to do something like this, and I think you guys

3250
03:00:18,680 --> 03:00:21,840
mentioned it earlier. It's it's not about doing something that

3251
03:00:21,879 --> 03:00:24,639
other people are going to go that shit's amazing. It's

3252
03:00:24,680 --> 03:00:29,159
about doing shit that you guys like and like attracts

3253
03:00:29,280 --> 03:00:32,520
like right like people. People see right through bullshit and

3254
03:00:32,559 --> 03:00:36,239
there is no bullshit outside from all the bullshit.

3255
03:00:36,200 --> 03:00:38,959
Speaker 2: And that's that's t LFX. Like we told ourselves at

3256
03:00:38,959 --> 03:00:41,360
the beginning, as we have always joked about, Boss, We're

3257
03:00:41,399 --> 03:00:42,639
not doing this for you out there.

3258
03:00:42,639 --> 03:00:43,600
Speaker 1: We're doing this for us.

3259
03:00:43,639 --> 03:00:45,079
Speaker 2: And if you want to and if you want to

3260
03:00:45,079 --> 03:00:47,280
come along for the ride, that's fine, but don't expect

3261
03:00:47,360 --> 03:00:49,959
to have any role beyond that in what we decide

3262
03:00:49,959 --> 03:00:52,440
to do. And it turns out by doing it for us,

3263
03:00:52,719 --> 03:00:55,840
we also end up doing it for them. Damn right.

3264
03:00:56,360 --> 03:00:58,920
Speaker 1: It's a beautiful thing and Gage is a testament to it.

3265
03:00:58,959 --> 03:01:02,559
Speaker 3: Gage, It's it's a shocking thing to know. And this

3266
03:01:02,639 --> 03:01:04,280
I think this is the first thing I ever said

3267
03:01:04,319 --> 03:01:07,799
to you guys when I met you Jack for lunch

3268
03:01:08,280 --> 03:01:13,120
in Boston. Oh yeah, cream clam chowder. Uh at what

3269
03:01:13,159 --> 03:01:16,319
was the name of the Ale House Union Oyster House Union,

3270
03:01:16,360 --> 03:01:19,159
Oyster House. We got we got clam showder I told

3271
03:01:19,200 --> 03:01:22,879
you right then and there. The reason that this means

3272
03:01:22,920 --> 03:01:24,920
so much to me and I want it is because

3273
03:01:25,440 --> 03:01:28,200
you and Jack, you and JP are me and my

3274
03:01:28,319 --> 03:01:30,760
best friend from high school, my wrestling friend from high school.

3275
03:01:30,840 --> 03:01:33,280
We talk to each other the exact same way we

3276
03:01:33,360 --> 03:01:38,760
know each other. It's it's just, you know, we aren't

3277
03:01:38,799 --> 03:01:41,600
as different as we like to believe. We are us

3278
03:01:41,799 --> 03:01:46,479
University and and that's how you guys, And I'm I'm

3279
03:01:46,600 --> 03:01:51,120
just really really, I'm really fucking thankful for you, guys.

3280
03:01:51,959 --> 03:01:53,600
Speaker 1: Let's get it. Well, we're thankful for you. That's what

3281
03:01:53,799 --> 03:01:56,600
That's what it's about. We're all lapsed. That's all it is.

3282
03:01:57,040 --> 03:01:59,920
It is and long made continue. Happy New Year, Gay,

3283
03:02:00,159 --> 03:02:02,159
We're very glad that twenty twenty five will have you

3284
03:02:02,200 --> 03:02:02,440
in it.

3285
03:02:03,079 --> 03:02:07,879
Speaker 3: Let all the acquaintance be forgotten. Bitches A city.

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Speaker 4: Preceding announcement as a t J DeSantis production, its contents

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03:02:11,639 --> 03:02:13,360
is intended for private use only