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Speaker 5: Us, Hey Ben, thanks for me having me in again today.
It's it's nice when we this is a really heavy deal,
but nice when we have some local legal issues in
the world of sports to talk about involving sports characters
and not talking about boring things like antitrust and eligibility rules.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with you.
Speaker 4: I hate having to talk about this, but obviously everyone
wants to get the latest on what is going on
with the Parker Kingston case, and so we we heard
a few days ago obtually that he was arrested. He was,
it was not he was held and detained without bail.
The arrangement arraignment occurred today, I believe, and kind of
give us the latest on on park for Kingston and
what's going.
Speaker 1: On with him.
Speaker 5: Yeah, again, this is a heavy stuff to talk about,
but it's caught the tension of the Utah sports world.
So you know, one thing we talked about yesterday is
why was he held without bail, and we talked about
certain statutory guidelines. It's interesting the judge today said, I
reviewed the probable cause dam and I found, by clearing
convince and evidence that mister Kingston was a danger to
the community, and that's why I held him without bail.
So what happened today is they showed up at court.
He's hired a lawyer. Her name is Cara Tungaro. I
don't know ker personally. She specializes in criminal defense, very experienced.
She has a really interesting experience that she was a
county prosecutor as well, so she's been on the other side,
which being on the other side always helps. And I
think she's a very experienced attorney and she specializes in
sex crimes. So I think he's got good counsel and
probably went through a vetting process there. So today, around
one o'clock they show up at this arraignment and the
purpose of an arraignment and incidentally, in one of the
articles I've read, and again we're all just reading articles
right now. We had some court documents yesterday, but showed
a picture of him in you know, prison gear, and
that's a pretty sobering thing to see anyone in that.
And you know, his life has changed in the last
few days a lot, you know, and so you know,
the legal system allows for certain things. But they showed
up today for him to enter a plea. He entered
a plea of not guilty, and there were certain conditions
set forth. The one thing that or his attorney wanted
was to have him released, and she said, you know,
if you'll release him on bail, he will be leaving
Washington County because we'll get into the terms of that.
But it looks like there's two different reports in their conflicting,
but apparently they it was one hundred thousand dollars bill
and ten thousands of that bond and then ten thousands
that had to be put up front of his cash,
and that basically just secures that he'll show up at
future hearings, you know. And ten thousand dollars is you know,
a lot of money, and you get that back if
you comply with the court orders and show up at everything.
So he showed up there and then they entered into
some things setting for some conditions of his release, and
some of those, most notably they noted that these are interesting.
I mean they kind of negotiate him and talk to
the judge about it. And part of them are that
he has to he has to leave Washington County. He
can't go to Saint George unless he has to appear
in court. He has to wear an ankle bracelet for
a GPS ankle bracelet monitor for sixty days, and has
to check in with pre trial services. He has to
get off of all social media apps. You know. Apparently
a lot of the kids the days, they're communicating through
social media apps, and I think that's apparently how they met.
He cannot have any contact with the alleged victim. A
protective order was put in place. He can't talk with
her family, or her roommates, or any potential witnesses on
this case as they prepare to, you know, prosecute this case.
Speaker 4: Well, why would those stipulations be in place? Would you say,
is there any you know? I mean, because don't you
need witnesses? Don't you need to be able to converse?
I mean, is it just him today? Can't get his lawyer?
Speaker 5: Yes, don't see him? Just him?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 5: They they you know, and we're not talking. Let's just
talk about it. Any kind of criminal case. You know,
someone may want to influence a or threaten or put
pressure on a certain witness. And we're not suggesting that,
but those are I think those are just very standard
things that are put in place. It all needs to
go through his lawyer, basically, you know, so he doesn't
reach out to a friend of hers and say, again,
I'm just hypothetical. Didn't say what is she doing? I
wish she wouldn't press charges. I wish she wouldn't do this.
You know, what is she doing? It's just to keep
it a professional arms lake distance and let the legal process,
let it all go through his attorney, and that it
will all go through his attorney. And apparently they're supposed
to appear on February twenty third. I'm sorry, February twenty fifth,
and I think what's going to happen there. It didn't
outline it exactly, is that there's going to be a
schedule set for he's gonna he was released today un bail.
He's leaving Washington County. I don't know if he they
agreed to it. I don't know if he's been fully
released yet. That wasn't reported. But they will set a
schedule of everything leading up to trial when they meet
in a few weeks here.
Speaker 4: So he goes before the fifth Judicial District in the
Saint George's district before. Is it Judge John J. Walton?
Is that who it was?
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's exactly fifth dis record. I don't know Judge Walton.
You know, we do civil work and we don't appear
in Saint George A Ton and I haven't looked him
up to see what his experience was. You know, it's
random how judges get assigned. You know, there's a rotation,
and there are judges that have a criminal calendar, there
are judges that have a civil calendar, and you know
there's some judges that carry a little bit of both.
They've tried to keep him different, spaced out a little
bit and separated lately.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I guess the procedures are of entreat to me.
They gave him an ankle monitor, so we understand that
he was helped without bail because they thought he was
a flight risk, and then they gave him an ankle monitor.
I guess is there any details as to why they
think he's a flight risk?
Speaker 5: You know, we just heard that. I heard that just
in passing yesterday. I don't know that that's true unless
he's a pilot and owns his own private jet. I
don't know that that. What the judge said is I
found by clear and convincing evidence that mister Kingston was
a danger to the community. And that sounds pretty heavy.
But I think where there's been a felony, you know,
an alleged felony and the charge felony, that's kind of
one of the standards, and that might be that might
be a status story thing where that So that's why
he held him. I think people would have probably thought, oh,
you can't let him out just yet. But he's going
to get out and he just needs to comply with
the terms of his release, you know, and I'm sure
he will, you know, because now the court's looking at
him and he he wants to present his defense. And
what will happen now, Ben is you know, for the
last year, the law enforcement and the prosecution, they've been
able to talk to people and look at things and
look at evidence, and he hasn't had a lawyer, and
now his lawyer will have a chance to dig into everything.
See who they'll have to they'll have to disclose who
all the potential witnesses are. They'll have to disclose their
evidence what it is, and she'll have a chance with
her team to do an investigation and look to see
how these things line up, see what witnesses you know,
could potentially you know, hurt his case, who could help
his case, some who could be questioned and maybe you know,
impeached or you know, certain things, and you know, and
he'll he'll have to be very helpful in you know,
he was one of the people there, and he'll have
to be helpful with his side of the story. And
we know that the uh we spoke about it yesterday
the probable cause AFFI David, you know, and the one
of the things we talked about it said in an
interview at Dependent he claims that all sexual activity with
the victim was consensual. And they went on to say
based on communications obtained from his cell phone, so we
know that it can be inferred that he went to
a partner with the attention of having sexual intercourse. What
we don't know, and this is something that I'd really
like to know, is when did they interview him. Was
it right after was it two weeks, three weeks when
evidence was fresh or was it just a month ago
when they finally decided, hey, we bet we better interviewed him.
So we don't know that, I mean a.
Speaker 4: Lawyer at that time. But he just got a call
maybe from a police officer, and he's just answering questions, right.
Speaker 5: That's that's what it appears to be that he did
not have a lawyer, because the first time we hear
about Tara Tara Tungero is in the reports in the
paper today or the articles today. Yeah, we never even
heard of that before. I think had he been represented,
we would have heard about it. So I think he
was interviewed without counsel, which sometimes is really dangerous. But
you know, I'm guessing he just told the truth. And
you know, we talked about a little bit about whether
there was DNA evidence. Don't need DNA evidence. He's admitted
to the to the activity, right, He's admitted to what happened.
But his his defense is it's contential. That's what we'll
come down to. And so none of us know about
what evidence or witness testimony or things maybe some texts
or emails or different things out there that the prosecution
has that might really be bolstering their claim. We just
don't know.
Speaker 4: How quickly can a trial begin, right, Like, what are
the different avenues that this can go and how quickly can.
Speaker 1: It be done?
Speaker 5: Well, let me speak from a little bit of ignorance.
We handle civil cases, and in civil cases there are
set deadlines. You have different tiers of cases and deadlines
of fact discovery, expert discovery, disclosure of evidence, disclosure of witnesses.
They're all set by a calendar. So I don't know
how the criminal calendar says that. I would think his
side would want a speedy, a very speedy resolution to this.
I mean, that's in his best interest not to drag
this out. I mean, you know, again, I tried to
emphasize this as a legal process. There's a victim who
feels her cause is very just. There's a prosecution that
feels that they have evidence and uh everything they need
to support and prove their case. But there's also a
defendant in this case, Parker Kingston, who has constitutional rights
and he has his story, which by all signs is
a conflicting story, and he's going to want to get
a chance to tell his story. I would think, you know,
I don't know this. I was very wrong on the uh,
and we can maybe talk about it. I was very
wrong on the Jake Retslof case. I thought that was
going to drag out for a couple of years, because
civil cases can really drag out, you know, And and
by all signs that looked like it was going to
But then there was a real shift and in some evidence,
and that brought the parties together and that thing that
wracked up wrapped up really quick. And uh, you know,
by all signs, Jake Redsloff, he left that pretty end.
I mean, by all signs, I mean a.
Speaker 4: Lot of the release documentation right in the reports said
that the girl was still pursuing him leading up to
the filing of the civil case. At least that was
for the reports, the text messages, and the messages that
were ultimately exposed. So yeah, there was a lot of incongrusions.
Speaker 6: Well it was.
Speaker 5: It was a confidential settlement, but by all signs, some
things came out in the in the month or two
after the lawsuit was filed that I think lessened her
case and it in it pushed to hit her side.
The settling, I mean, it was a it was a
monetary settlement, and Jake retslaf in many ways bought his
peace and Jake Redslop my he left his pretty unscathed.
I mean he uh, he has his claim that it
was contential and that happened, and uh look what happened
to him. I mean the guy. I mean, I think
by all signs you're going to see him at least
have a free agent opportunity to uh play in the
bell maybe. But Kingston a very different deal. I mean,
Jake Redsloff was never incarcerated for three days, sure, and
he doesn't have to wear an ankle bracelet and doesn't
have to get off of all social media. I mean,
it's a very it's night and day difference between other
than the allegations and the defenses. It's night and day difference.
Speaker 4: Carraton God, I've been doing a little bit of research.
A highly experienced Utah based criminal defense attorney with a
deep courtroom credentials.
Speaker 1: She also has.
Speaker 4: Leadership experience do in the community.
Speaker 1: I think she was.
Speaker 4: Former Salt Lake County prosecutor for seven years. She's a
criminal defense attorney since twenty thirteen. She's a solo criminal
defense lawyer. I don't know if there's any other partners
in her firm. Numerous She's had on numerous feeny jury trials,
including capital Hama side cases. She's known. She's known for
trying cases across the wahsat front. She's a dual perspective
as both a former prosecutor and a seasoned defense attorney.
I found that interesting that she's and you mentioned that
as well tested you know, she's very hands on it.
It sounds like and I mean, she's extremely tenured. She
was the president of the Utah State Bar from twenty
twenty four to twenty twenty five, former bar commissioner now
now past bar president. And I find it, you know,
very strategic move a female also representing a male in
a rape case. I don't know how many high profile,
you know, rape cases that she's taken on, but any
thoughts on the representation of Parker Kingston.
Speaker 5: Only what I've heard, and I think she's very experienced.
I think it's good that she was in she was
a proster. That means she's seen both sides of it.
She knows the tricks of the trade, and I think
that she might have a a a relationship with the prosecutors. Well,
this is down to Washington County. I mean, she's been
she was up here, I think in the Lake County
District's Attorney's office, so you know, it gives her a
different perspective. I think, I think it's good that he
has a woman represented him. I think that you know,
the the accuser is a woman, and there might be
she might I think, I think he I'm sure that
he looked at his options and he got a very
experienced criminal defense attorney, so you know, you know, you know,
facts are out there, evidence is out there, allegations are
out there, so having good legal representation to tackle this
type of stuff it is very important. And you know,
I don't we talked about this yesterday. I don't want
to make any decisions on really what the resolution is,
what the truth is, but need to let the legal
process play its way out. And so you know, he's
got constitutional rights and he's he'll be well represented.
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last thing pressent before we let you go, you know,
the the you know, I would like to see data.
I would like see data sets of of uh, you know,
at least in the modern era. It seems that and
I was looking at high profile rape accusation cases such
as this, and you know, how you prove consent or
how they were able to prove non consent and they
were actually able to prove rape in those cases. I'm
going to continue to look for these data sets, see
like how many of these you know, go one way
or the other. But any inside as to you know,
what's been happening in these maybe a higher profile rape cases. Recently,
we've had a few of them that have gone probably
both directions, but it seems like it's almost like a
fifty to fifty ordeal.
Speaker 5: Well, one thing I would caution everyone is every case
is different. Every case stands alone on its facts. You know,
when we occasionally have a client say, well I heard
so and so got this, you know, we say, whoa
wait a minute, so and So's case was so and
So's case. There are different facts they're distance circumstances. There's
different liability, there's different damages, I mean in the civil world.
So I think it's important to stay away from that
and just focus on what the facts are. I think
the here, his attorney will get a chance to see
what all this evidence is and what they're relying on
and be able to tackle it. And you know, she'll
have it, probably have an investigator who will dig in
and maybe uncover other facts. It's in the criminal The
criminal justice system is a different system, a lot on
the line a higher burden. Civil is by a preponderance
of evidence. Criminal is beyond a reasonable doubt. A lot
of people say, well, what does that mean really, but
that is the standard beyond a reasonable doubt. So the
prosecution has a heavy burden and they have to prove
every element of their case. He doesn't have to prove anything,
you know. It's it's good to, uh, if you're defending something,
to call questioning things and see where there are weaknesses.
But he doesn't have to prove anything, you know, and
we know there's a fifth minute, a fifth Amendment or
right to uh. You don't even have to testify, you know,
you know, avoid self incrimination. So I think his his
attorney will tackle this and look at all of it
and see how they want to strategically approach all of that.
But again, yeah, you've got it'll be interesting to hear
or see what evidence comes out. You know that prosecution
really has. They feel like that they can meet their
burden and get her conviction price.
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Speaker 1: At some point.
Speaker 7: I think this was a quad to might even at
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one game. Look the Big twelve stuff. It doesn't matter
who you are, what you play, how you play it.
I've covered this team for a long time, covered this
conference since Bau has gotten into it.
Speaker 1: It's not easy. It's not easy.
Speaker 7: And this is a Colorado team that didn't have a
good outing per Tad Boyle. He said it was a
good old fashioned, a whooping Texas beat down.
Speaker 1: They're gonna be motivated.
Speaker 7: I know it's a young team, but they're looking for
revenge and what better way for the Buffs to come
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Speaker 1: In Pat Rooney.
Speaker 7: He represents the Daily camera over there in Boulder, Colorado.
Speaker 1: Pat, Thanks for joining me today.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you bet, thanks for having me.
Speaker 1: Of course, let's break this matchup down.
Speaker 7: Who are the Colorado Buffaloes and what do Cougar fans need.
Speaker 1: To know about this basketball team?
Speaker 6: That's a good question. Who are the Buffalos? I think
if you ask Tad Boyle, he would tell you that
this is a team without an identity right now. You know,
defense and rebounding is something Tad Boyle has preached throughout
this time. He's in the sixteenth season now at Colorado,
and those are areas that this team has struggled in
kind of mightily really throughout the season, even when they're
winning games and non conference play, they were kind of
outscoring people for the most part, and it wasn't the
defense that was winning the games. Now they're playing better defenses,
the offense is struggling a little bit. They're having a
hard time keeping pacing. Quite frankly, they've been bad on
the road, especially of late, getting kind of run out
of the gym in their last few games. So you know,
I in your intro, I do think Colorado will come
out and have a better showing than the other night.
They would almost have to, but for the most part,
they've had a good track record of bouncing back after
ugly games under Tad Boy. I don't think they're gonna
win on Saturday, but I think they'll put up a
better fight.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's gonna be tough on Saturday.
Speaker 7: You mentioned a lot obviously BYU has this this guy
that no one knows, right, no one knows who agent
bonds AJ d Bons. Excuse me, no idea, Richie Saunders.
From your standpoint, you just say you don't think they'll win,
and look, it's a tough matchup. They got a three
headed monster. But from your vantage point when you watched
them on tape, what do you see? Because AJ is
AJ right, But I feel like from what I've gathered
from coaches just the last couple of weeks, Houston, Arizona,
you know everybody that they played, Oklahoma State, even Baylor,
it sounds like it's Richie Saunders who teams are really
worried about, not saying that AJ is not a good player.
We know he's gonna be a top two pick, but
it seems like the the top King, as they call
him in provo, is the guy that they're that they fear,
you know when.
Speaker 6: I when I watch b YU and you know, I
think Richie Saunders is is kind of the guy that
that really makes them go, you know, So be my
first chance to watch him in person this season. They
just had the one game last year as well here
in Boulder. But I love Richie Saunders. You know, I
think he's uh, you know, kind of the glue.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 6: It's like you said, Aj Devonsill, looking forward to seeing
him as well. He's always going to do his thingers
the reason he's gonna be one of the top picks
in the NBA draft. But uh, you know, as far
as a guy that's a veteran leader, been through the battles,
you know, I think Richie Saunders is the guy that
is going to I don't know, make or break this
team in March, but I think he's the biggest factor
for a deep March run out of byu. Uh just
you know, the way he could lead that team and
the way he can do a little bit of everything
to help that team win.
Speaker 7: You mentioned Richie making a deep march a man in
his run. We saw he was able to do in
the tournament last year. BA fans are going to love
hearing that from you. In this know the faux segment. Look,
who's going to be tasked with guarding Aj. Who's going
to be tasted guarding Richie on this Buff teams of
this Buffs team. I'm interested to see what the matchups
are going to be tomorrow afternoon.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that's a good question. The Buffs have been searching
for a defensive stopper, if you will, all year. I
think in the in the case of AJ, Debonsta, either
Bang Got Dak or Seveastian ron Cheek will I will
guess get the opening assignment against him. I would expect,
you know, because BYU, it's unlike Texas Tech, BYU is
not a team that can necessarily, you know, maybe really
make you fret from three point range. You'll finding those
open shooters when you double teams. So I think we'll
see kind of more double teaming on the ball than
we usually see out of Colorado, especially when it gets
to the ball gets to AJ and Richie Saunders I
think one of the big guards, you know, Tableau's kind
of shuffled the lineup, so we will see who is
in the lineup, but some combination of either jayaln On
hotlland or the other freshman Josiah Sanders, would maybe get
the opening draw against him. But again, I would think
this is a game where we might see the Buffaloes
double a little bit more than they typically do, just
because you know, they played Texas Tech the other day
and you know prior to that at Arizona and BYU
teams that can really make you pay if you leave
shooters alone from three point range. And I'm not saying
BYU doesn't have plenty of capable shooters, but the numbers
say that's not an area where they're going to necessarily
beat the Buffs on Saturday.
Speaker 1: You big a really good point.
Speaker 7: Cougar's a struggle from three and also not the identity
I think of this team like it was last year.
So definitely could see that on the scouter report and
Agent getting doubled, maybe even triple. We've seen the tape
guys try to do that in the Big Twelve Conference.
From your vantage point of this Big Twelve Conference is
this an exciting year. I mean, there's so much talent.
It's always the toughest thing, right. I think it's still
the best basketball conference in America. I know the SEC
is going to get the most teams in, but I
just think the Big Twelve, you know, it's it's like
the SEC of football, Like anybody can get you on
any given night. But from your standpoint, how do you
evaluated this season as a lot of projected lottery picks
going into the NBA next season.
Speaker 6: Yeah, that part of it's for sure fun and you know,
like I said, I'm looking forward to seeing your guys
play live on on Saturday. Yeah, you know, I told her,
I think I felt like last year the Big Twelve
was it was as deep and balanced as any any
league in the country, including the SEC. This year, you know,
I think it might be a little bit top heavy. Obviously,
the middle pack is still very strong. You know, a
couple of teams struggling at the bottom where you know,
the Buffs are trying to stay out of the bottom
bottom at this point. You know, a couple of teams
I think have been pretty disappointing. Baylor for sure, although
they've played better of late. I think Kansas State has
been been pretty disappointing. I think the middle pack is
maybe kind of what we taught, but it certainly the
top of this conference is as good as any conference
in the in the country. The bus don't get Arizona
Soil the end of the regular season, but you know,
every time I tune into them, it's, you know, you
feel like you're watching a Final Four team. And you
could say that certainly about Houston and on a good night,
a lot of the other teams as well. So you know,
I'm still big on Texas Tech. You know, they don't
maybe have the depth of some of the other teams,
but you know, I still think that that team is
athletic and you know, even within that starting five, pretty
balanced and j T. Topping can dominate any game on
any night almost the same way as the Bonds to.
Speaker 1: Is JT Topping the Big twelve Player of the year?
Speaker 7: I mean in European I feel like aj is pretty
much solidifying and locking up newcomer.
Speaker 1: But is j T Topping a Big twelve Player of
the Year in your opinion?
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that's gonna be an interesting uh interesting,
But I think if you took the vote right now,
I would probably go with j T. But I'm already
doing that. I'm managing a little bit. You know, I
think maybe, you know, because of Richie Saunders, maybe JT.
Topping is a little bit more individually, you know, kind
of responsible for that team's success that than Aj is
by himself. And but you know, I think it's a
it's it's close. They could go either way, and I'm
sure the you know, i'd say, certainly the jury is
not out yet on who exactly that that person I
think I was putting today, I would go with JT.
Top And yes, but uh it would be a close vote,
and I uh uh, you know, certainly certainly time you know,
to to kind of flip that over the last month
of the regular season here, I just think j T.
Topp and you know, the way the way he can rebound.
You know, he's a defensive presence in the middle, and
I think he might be a little bit more integral,
you know, without him, you don't know if Texas Tech
is a top twenty five team. Maybe they are, but yeah,
I think without the bonds to you know, b Yu
is still you know a brigod to because of Richie Saunders,
you know, and maybe kind of close to where they
are anyway.
Speaker 7: Yeah, Texas tex still the top of twenty five. Think
I believe eighteen and six overall eight and three conference.
In the net they're five and six and Quad one
games four to O. In Quad two they take on
number twenty two BAU the last game of the season.
If very well could come down to that, j T
top and Richie Samas. Look, if I had to give
a vote today, look we were rejective with it. We
do cover BYU, but I think JT right now is
the front runner with Richie behind, and even Joshua Jefferson
might have something to say that about Iowa sait. It's
a lot of good big twelve players in this conference,
but this Colorado team young. I like a lot of freshmen,
but how do you retain all of it? Look at
the day of the nil the transfer portal, it's just
tough to retain high level talent. But I like what
Colorado has and a lot of young guys. Is just
I don't know how you can sustain all of those
guys going to the next season.
Speaker 6: And that's the big question mark. You know. Ted Boyle
has been saying since the outset of the season that
the key is going to be retaining all their guys.
You know, they don't really play. And you see, the
only guy who's going to kind of exhaust his eligibility
is Elijah Malone, you know, a backup center at this
point who's playing sparingly. As far as everyone on the floor,
most of them, you know, are schedul know on paper,
schedule be back, even be back for multiple years, you know.
And this is how Tad Boyle has built teams, the
teams that he's had success with the Colorado the recruits
and developed type program and he's talked about the need
to retain the young guys. I just think it's gonna
be very hard for this team to do.
Speaker 4: So.
Speaker 6: You know one freshman to look at it, it's Isaiah Johnson.
He's been the team's leading scorer, has probably played beyond
kind of where he was recruited. He's a little under recruited,
but he's a great shooter, plays with a lot of poise,
uh and has has had some big game you know,
fearless going to the basket. He's a wily little guy,
but uh, he can get to the free throw line,
can score through contact, at the rim. You know, it's
Colorado going to be able to retain a guy like
that for a couple more years. I don't know that
that's gonna be a big question. There's not a lot
of nil money at Colorado right now, and there's a
new ad as well, so I you know that's gonna
be the big question. Taed Boyle has seemed confident that
they're going to be able to do it. But I
think with every big game Isaiah Johnson has down the stretch,
it's going to get harder and harder to do.
Speaker 7: So you bring up a really good point in the
day of nil and this this this kid's Fenoumena. This
freshman sixty one, one hundred seventy pounder from Los Angeles, California,
averaging over sixteen points per game, over two point seven rebounds,
two point five assists. It shoots forty nine percent from
the field. Those are very good numbers. It's going to
be tough. You mentioned the innil Colorado new ad. Your
thoughts on the new ad. I know that that got announced,
you know, not too long ago.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I've met him a few times. Hoping to sit
down with him next week to talk about some basketball
matters actually, so we will hopefully stay tuned for that
down the road. You know, I've been impressed. He's, you know,
younger guy, a lot of energy. I think in this
day and age, it's kind of and maybe it's take
nothing way. Rick Jor has done a great job at
Colorado on the whole during his tenures. The outgoing kind
of retiring athletic director. He's going to kind of stay
on in an advisory role. But I think, you know,
some some new energy, some new insights, some new way
to approach things. You know, there's I go around to
these for instance, you know, visiting you know, some of
these still in the second year of the Big twelve.
Some of these venues are still new to me. I
like walking around checking them out, seeing, you know, kind
of what all the perks and amenities are. And the
more I do that, the more I see how some
of those amenities are are kind of lagging at Colorado.
So I think someone with with with some of his
kind of administrative and kind of sports business background will
be good going forward. And I'm certainly curious to see
how he handles the basketball program going forward.
Speaker 7: Yeah, new ad, younger guy, that's good. But in this
day and age, you have to pay for players to
stay and pay to play.
Speaker 1: That's the name of the game.
Speaker 7: Here with Pat Rooney on the line, he is covers
all things ready to Colorado buffs at the Daily camera
over there in Boulder, Colorado on the line with his
discussing some basketball news. Let's transition now, Pat, let's go
to football. How long do you think Coach Prime will
be there? I like what Coach Prime is models, how
he has young men. I don't think I've ever seen
a head coach publicly says I'm going to find you
one thousand dollars for a mouthpiece. That's an expensive mouthpiece, Pat,
But I love the I love how disciplined Prime is,
what he brings. But how long do you anticipate him standing?
But I love him being in the Big twelve. I
think it's great for the conference.
Speaker 6: Yeah, you know, I'm gonna be honest. He's stayed longer
than I thought he would. You know, I thought he
might jump at an opportunity to move up the ladder,
or you know, maybe jumping down. You know, the more
I've been around, I think the NFL is less and
less likely. But you know that after a second season
when they had the good year, solid year with Travis
Hunter and his son shador Sand, I thought he might
jump to someone that might, you know, give him more
and I owe money to work with and you know,
kind of more of the person amenities who were just
talking with basketball. So he's already stayed a little longer
than I thought he would. And you know, going forward,
I think it's a matter of his health. I've written
this kind of before and Colins and so forth. At
this point, I think it's less about him necessarily looking
for another opportunity or a bigger challenge or or kind
of any of those other things. I think for him
right now, at this point, it's probably more a matter
of his personal health and how much longer he wants
to do it. You know, he's had some pretty serious
health issues have been pretty well detailed obviously. Last year
with recovering from the bladder cancer took a lot out
of him physically, and you know, I think that's gonna
be the biggest thing going forward. If he says healthy,
I could see him doing it for several more years.
If he has more help setbacks, you know, I think
that's that'll be the big question. Mark, and I think
it's more a matter of that than you know, kind
of moving up the coaching lafe or if you will,
going forward.
Speaker 1: Yeah, always always want the best for people's health.
Speaker 7: These days, we've seen a lot of people from people
in our personal lives to you know, public figures, a
lot of people. I think there was an actor I
forgot the name of the guy who forty eight just
passed away, Like, look, you never want to see that.
And we look we here at ESP and the fan
here on Cougar Sports. You know, wish Coach.
Speaker 1: Prime you know all health. I know him and Kalani
have a great relationship.
Speaker 7: Hope he's able to keep coaching young man because I
came from a very disciplined household, it came from a
military background. I love how coach Prime is all about
his business. If Coach Prime you know where to to,
you know leave, Is there anybody in the program or
step down? It would be due to the health that
you mentioned anybody in the program right now? Coaching waiting,
what do you like about what they have on this
Colorado or Buffalo's football staff.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I don't like describing this person as necessarily a
coach in waiting because he's yet to actually coach a
game at Colorado, but the new offensive coordinator, Brendon Mary
and the former head coach at at Sacramento State. He's
bringing in his go go offense. It's going to be
run heavy, vertical passing. We will see how it works.
But given his coaching background, he's kind of a younger,
dynamic guy. I think if you know, Dean Sanders were
to make a decision or if something were to change
in the coming months or year or whatever, you know,
I think that's the guy would look to, obviously as
you have to coach a game at Colorado, so uh,
you know, tap the brakes on that a little bit.
But you know, he so far, the reviews have been,
you know, pretty good about what they've been able to
do in recruiting, and you know, athletes, his attraction to
what he's bringing to the table as far as the
offense goes so and they have a young quarterback, and
you know, if they do well this upcome and fall,
you know, certainly if they put points on the board,
you know, I think he would be the guy that
you would maybe look at, you know, to to kind
of take the reins from from Dean Sanders if it
came to that.
Speaker 1: What do you like about the offense. You've mentioned the quarterback.
Speaker 7: I thought Colorado, even in the ups and downs, I
thought they played well. The competitive nature of that TCU game.
I still look at that game of like I felt
like that sort of things may be unraveled, but I
felt like they were in a lot of games, you know,
before that middle part of the stretch.
Speaker 6: You know, it's just interesting what happened to that team
down the stretch, because they had a good mid season
win against Iowa State at home and I think it
got him to three and four, and you know, they
had a new quarterback. It looked like they were figuring
things out right, and they had a bye week after that.
But then you know, they came out of that bye
and just you know, they laid an egg in the
first game after that, and can kind of really never
really recaptured that momentum. So that was surprising to me,
Especially after that win against Iowa State. They kind of
had a feel of a team that was that was
figuring it out a little bit. But I do like
the quarterback Julian Lewis kind of really showed his potential
down the stretch this past year, and you know they're
they're they're kind of hinging on him going forward. You know,
losing Jordan's seaton, that left tackle, you know, there's there's
no way to sugarcoat that's a huge loss. Even even
with him, that was an average line at best. You know,
maybe maybe above average in some of those early games,
but it still was not a great offensive line top
to bottom. And they're not going to be better without him,
so that was a big loss. If they can protect
Julian Lewis, I think they'll be able to move the ball.
They'll always have a good cast of receivers. They always
seem to have a good number of athletes there. But
as always with Colorado, it's just gonna come down to
how much they've improved. If they have improved upfront, really
on both sides of the ball.
Speaker 7: Yeah, the game is won and lost in the trenches,
no doubt about it at all. And look, I love
I'm looking forward to the bu Au Colorado matchups with
coach Prime, you know, for the US to come as
long as he's there. I love this Robbery Brewin and
in basketball, I love Tad Boyle, great coach, love his
his his mindset and what he stands for. I know
you say, you b YU are winning this one. Do
you think the Buffs keep it close? You think it's
single digits? I know it's a jersey retirement for a
certain BYU basketball great that you know you probably heard of.
Speaker 1: But the Buffs able to keep this to single digits?
Does bo you win this one by twelve?
Speaker 6: I think they'll keep it close for a while. You know,
you know Colorado is they come off a terrible offensive game,
right and then they've been bad on the road. I
think they're gonna be motivated for at least the start
of this game to have a better showing. But if
this turns into a track meet, they're not gonna be able
to keep pace with BYU. So it might be single
digits at halftime. I think BYU pulls away in the
second half. I think it's a double digits win by
the end. But you know, hey, the buff lost by
thirty four the other night. I'm guessing it's not gonna
be worse than that.
Speaker 7: No, it can't be worse than thirty four. I don't
think it's gonna be that type of that. I think
they'll definitely be very much improved.
Speaker 6: Come how it is you have to have me back
on again?
Speaker 7: Though, all right, okay, we'll book that bed right now
here on a Friday, the day before Valentine's Day. If
that happens I did, we definitely will contact you every
back on. I will be just as shocked as you.
Speaker 1: Pat normal.
Speaker 7: Those things don't happen in college athletics, back to back
like that. Look, uh, I just followed you on Twitter.
I look, I I tracked people down. Look, I'm twenty nine,
I'm young. I just have my first kid not too
long ago. I shouldn't say I my wife had the kid.
I was there, you know, supporting, because you know that's
what you do. That's literally what is you do with
the better three force tells you and you I always say,
I'm buying what I've invested in the mortgage, in the stock.
I really don't get to say. You know, that's what
it is, all these fun things. But the best part
that you love about being a girl dad, because my
first child is a girl as well.
Speaker 6: Nice, nice best part of our watching them grow, how
little years minor kind of over grade school now and
seeing how bright and sharp and just witty and the
different personalities between the two of them. It's been great.
Speaker 1: I look forward to those days.
Speaker 7: She's fifteen months so, uh, we're still brand new in
the par but but but I love that par Uh.
Speaker 6: Probably not the first one to tell you this, but
it goes fast.
Speaker 1: You're not know.
Speaker 7: A lot of people told me that I'm like, wow,
she's gonna be too this year. That was quicker than
I thought. So I respect my olds and everything that
I'm told I you're not wrong. I and try and
enjoy every single moment as she's just started to walk,
because I'm gonna look up, like my mom said, and
then I'm gonna be looking at college and all of
that and you know, marriage down the line, those crazy things.
So before I let you go, the pat, what's the
best way we can support you what you do and
how you do?
Speaker 1: Where can we find you work?
Speaker 6: Buff Zone dot com or or Daily Camera dot com
is uh the buzzone dot com is kind of our
our Colorado coverage website. But Daily Camera dot com click
on sports you like up all our coverage from basketball
and uh, you know, my good friend Brian Howells the
lead on the football beat, and I was always putting out,
Uh you know, really really great and interesting work on
that program as well, So uh, that would be the
place to.
Speaker 1: Go Buffzone dot com or Daily Camera.
Speaker 7: You can also follow him on XEM and give them
a plug here at p Roni zero seven as well. Pat,
thanks for your time today, save travels and hopefully enjoy
your trip to Provo, Utah.
Speaker 6: Yeah, heading out soon and thanks again for having me
anytime of course.
Speaker 1: Okay, we'll let him go.
Speaker 7: That was Pat Rooney of the Daily Camera there in Boulder, Colorado.
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another week of cougar sports. Happy Valentine's Day to all
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BYU men's basketball ticking on the Buffs Colorado tomorrow looking
for back to back wins.
Speaker 1: I believe they will do so.
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pregame show one pm to two pm right here on
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