WEBVTT 1 00:00:11.160 --> 00:00:14.240 Hello, everyone, Welcome back to a new episode of the 2 00:00:14.279 --> 00:00:19.239 Poker Go Podcast. My name is Donny Peters. Tim is back. Finally, 3 00:00:19.359 --> 00:00:22.320 Tim Duckworth is in in the I don't know what 4 00:00:22.559 --> 00:00:25.800 do you call it the shotguns? I don't know whatever. 5 00:00:26.280 --> 00:00:27.000 I'm in the flesh. 6 00:00:27.280 --> 00:00:29.239 You really are in the flesh, because I mean not 7 00:00:29.280 --> 00:00:31.559 that we do a video podcast, but you are sitting 8 00:00:31.559 --> 00:00:36.679 there with no shirt on, which is weird. But whatever, 9 00:00:37.439 --> 00:00:39.119 here's the deal. We have a lot of things to 10 00:00:39.159 --> 00:00:40.679 talk about. I don't know if we're going to get 11 00:00:40.719 --> 00:00:43.200 to them all because we only have about thirty minutes 12 00:00:43.280 --> 00:00:47.159 before I have to go jumping in another meeting. But 13 00:00:47.240 --> 00:00:48.679 I want to kick this one off. It's not on 14 00:00:48.719 --> 00:00:51.240 the rundown with a family pot, so play the damn jingle, 15 00:01:01.479 --> 00:01:03.960 all right, So listen, this isn't necessarily a family pot 16 00:01:04.000 --> 00:01:06.319 I mean it kind of is. I'm I'm making it 17 00:01:06.400 --> 00:01:08.400 like that because I had to take my kids to 18 00:01:08.439 --> 00:01:13.480 the doctor. Listen these f in doctors. Okay, my appointment 19 00:01:13.480 --> 00:01:15.840 is scheduled for nine o'clock. I show up at eight 20 00:01:15.879 --> 00:01:18.480 forty five because I like to be early and whatever. 21 00:01:18.680 --> 00:01:21.599 The door isn't even unlocked. What the f okay problem? 22 00:01:21.719 --> 00:01:24.599 Number one, like, it's nine o'clock. Can we figure this out? 23 00:01:24.680 --> 00:01:27.359 You think people should be open at seven o'clock? Like, 24 00:01:27.400 --> 00:01:29.560 this is not We don't have time to nine o'clock. 25 00:01:30.000 --> 00:01:32.519 Nine o'clock. The door is unlocked. What are we doing here? 26 00:01:32.640 --> 00:01:34.879 Second of all, okay, I get in there. I gotta 27 00:01:34.959 --> 00:01:37.560 do whatever. The lady's like, she's like, I need your 28 00:01:37.560 --> 00:01:39.359 insurance card and your ID. I'm like, I don't have 29 00:01:39.359 --> 00:01:42.120 my insurance card. She's like, well, new policy, we can't 30 00:01:42.359 --> 00:01:44.400 see you. I'm like, it's the same insurance card it's 31 00:01:44.400 --> 00:01:47.519 been for the last three years. Okay, Like, how is 32 00:01:47.519 --> 00:01:49.760 this hard? Isn't it on file? She's giving me the 33 00:01:49.799 --> 00:01:51.799 run around. I'm like okay, I'm like whatever, I'll bring 34 00:01:51.799 --> 00:01:53.519 it next time, Like, can you just figure this out? 35 00:01:53.560 --> 00:01:55.480 It's the same one. So then we have that issue. 36 00:01:55.599 --> 00:01:57.319 Then they finally get me in there. I get back 37 00:01:57.359 --> 00:02:01.120 there at nine to ten. I wait untill nine forty 38 00:02:01.159 --> 00:02:07.120 eight to see the freaking doctor. This shit is unbelievable, man, unbelievable. 39 00:02:07.239 --> 00:02:10.719 The kids are screaming their heads off, like I can't 40 00:02:10.879 --> 00:02:13.919 feed the youngest one because he needs to take shots today. 41 00:02:13.919 --> 00:02:15.879 Because this is one year check up. It's just a 42 00:02:15.919 --> 00:02:19.199 freaking disaster. Can people just be on time and when 43 00:02:19.280 --> 00:02:22.439 your door is locked? Okay? And I'm standing outside of 44 00:02:22.439 --> 00:02:24.319 the door with me and another guy. It was me 45 00:02:24.360 --> 00:02:26.360 and another guy. He's got his son, I got my 46 00:02:26.400 --> 00:02:29.000 two kids. We are the only people there, the only 47 00:02:29.080 --> 00:02:32.680 people there. Okay, So you have two appointments. Why does 48 00:02:32.719 --> 00:02:36.280 it take forty eight minutes to see me? Why that 49 00:02:36.439 --> 00:02:39.479 is unreal? And I'm pissed and I'm hot, I haven't 50 00:02:39.479 --> 00:02:42.159 had my coffee. I gotta do this podcast. The whole 51 00:02:42.199 --> 00:02:45.639 day is screwed up. I'm so f and mad. It's unbelievable. 52 00:02:45.759 --> 00:02:52.479 It's unbelievable, Tim, unbelievable. Okay, let's talk about actual stuff 53 00:02:52.759 --> 00:02:55.840 on today's show. Okay, on today's show, w has to 54 00:02:55.840 --> 00:02:58.960 Be got sold for half a billion dollars, five hundred 55 00:02:58.960 --> 00:03:01.400 million dollars. Got to get our thoughts on laptop eight 56 00:03:01.400 --> 00:03:03.560 because Tim and I haven't been on these airways together 57 00:03:03.800 --> 00:03:07.400 since the WSOP WSP Paradise is back. We got Scott 58 00:03:07.439 --> 00:03:09.680 seever winning Player of the Year. We got Patrick Antonius 59 00:03:09.680 --> 00:03:11.319 in the Hall of Fame. We got to hit on 60 00:03:11.319 --> 00:03:13.759 the PGT leaderboard because we are getting into the second 61 00:03:13.800 --> 00:03:16.639 half of the season, pretty pretty pretty soon, Tim's going 62 00:03:16.680 --> 00:03:19.879 to be on a jet over to Cyprus, and that 63 00:03:20.000 --> 00:03:22.680 is where a super high rollable, super high rollable series, 64 00:03:22.680 --> 00:03:25.560 whatever we're calling it, is taking off again. I don't 65 00:03:25.560 --> 00:03:28.800 know if we're going to get to all these topics today. 66 00:03:28.879 --> 00:03:30.840 If we don't get to any, we'll try and hit 67 00:03:30.879 --> 00:03:32.360 on them at a future show. 68 00:03:32.479 --> 00:03:32.960 Of course. 69 00:03:33.240 --> 00:03:35.560 This episode of the Poker Girl Podcast is brought to 70 00:03:35.560 --> 00:03:38.599 you by storm X. The easiest way to earn crypto 71 00:03:39.000 --> 00:03:42.120 just head on over to storm x dot io, activate 72 00:03:42.280 --> 00:03:45.639 cash back offers when you sign up, and then start 73 00:03:45.680 --> 00:03:49.800 chopping online as you normally do. To shop through the 74 00:03:49.800 --> 00:03:53.120 eligible vendors that are all listed on storm X's website. 75 00:03:53.240 --> 00:03:56.599 You can then earn crypto on confirmed purchases. 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I'm just gonna say Ensis because 86 00:04:34.680 --> 00:04:36.480 that's what it looks like to me, you know, just 87 00:04:36.519 --> 00:04:39.680 like you say WOSOP, I'm going to say Ensis. So 88 00:04:39.720 --> 00:04:44.199 the wosop got sold to Ensis. So Ensis Group is 89 00:04:44.240 --> 00:04:47.360 it's the parent company of GG Poker, So this is 90 00:04:47.439 --> 00:04:52.439 essentially GG Poker buying the WSP. They acquired the the 91 00:04:52.560 --> 00:04:55.279 WSP for five hundred million dollars. To first two hundred 92 00:04:55.279 --> 00:04:57.079 and fifty million of that is going to be cold 93 00:04:57.319 --> 00:05:01.759 hard cash, baby, and then the the next two hundred 94 00:05:01.759 --> 00:05:03.680 and fifty million is due. I think it's due within 95 00:05:03.759 --> 00:05:07.319 five years in a note or whatever, So that will 96 00:05:07.319 --> 00:05:12.680 be to come. If you guys want to flashback twenty years. 97 00:05:12.680 --> 00:05:16.040 Caesar's originally purchased the ws AP in two thousand and four. 98 00:05:16.160 --> 00:05:20.120 That was when Caesar's was still or previously known as 99 00:05:20.120 --> 00:05:23.839 Hare's Entertainment. They moved it from Benion's Horseshoe over to 100 00:05:24.000 --> 00:05:26.720 the Rio, and that's when you know it came in 101 00:05:26.800 --> 00:05:28.800 all of our lives. You know, all the people Tim 102 00:05:28.839 --> 00:05:31.639 and I who are in poker these days. That's pretty 103 00:05:31.720 --> 00:05:33.639 much when we remember it, you know, we remember it 104 00:05:33.680 --> 00:05:38.040 at the Rio and growing from there. Just some keynotes 105 00:05:38.600 --> 00:05:41.360 from the press release that was sent out again on 106 00:05:41.480 --> 00:05:44.319 August first, so you know, just under two weeks ago, 107 00:05:45.519 --> 00:05:48.920 says Caesars has secured the right from ENSIS to continue 108 00:05:48.920 --> 00:05:52.360 hosting ws AP's flagship live tournament series at its Las 109 00:05:52.439 --> 00:05:55.759 Vegas casinos for the next twenty years. So for anyone 110 00:05:55.800 --> 00:05:58.199 freaking out, oh my god, the divasipy is gonna move, 111 00:05:59.399 --> 00:06:02.000 that tells us right there, it's staying in Vegas for 112 00:06:02.079 --> 00:06:04.879 twenty years. And then it says Caesar's Digital will also 113 00:06:04.920 --> 00:06:09.160 receive a license from ENSIS to continue operating it's recently 114 00:06:09.240 --> 00:06:14.360 upgraded WSP online real money poker business in Nevada, New Jersey, Michigan, 115 00:06:14.439 --> 00:06:19.199 and Pennsylvania for the foreseeable future. I guess first question 116 00:06:19.279 --> 00:06:24.000 for you, were you surprised when this news had dropped, 117 00:06:24.040 --> 00:06:26.879 because let me preface that by saying that we had 118 00:06:26.920 --> 00:06:30.399 heard this for a while, right this was possibly coming 119 00:06:30.399 --> 00:06:32.279 down the pipeline. It had been in the works for 120 00:06:32.319 --> 00:06:33.120 a long time. 121 00:06:33.480 --> 00:06:33.639 You know. 122 00:06:33.720 --> 00:06:35.879 At times that you know, we had been told like 123 00:06:35.959 --> 00:06:38.639 it's a done deal. Other times it's like it's probably 124 00:06:38.639 --> 00:06:40.000 not going to happen. So it was kind of all 125 00:06:40.040 --> 00:06:43.800 over the place, but it kind of dropped on us, 126 00:06:44.000 --> 00:06:46.360 I would say, out of the blue a little bit. 127 00:06:46.399 --> 00:06:48.439 So were you surprised that it was announced? 128 00:06:48.480 --> 00:06:48.680 Yeah? 129 00:06:48.720 --> 00:06:50.839 Surprising two ways. Firstly, the date seems as a little 130 00:06:50.839 --> 00:06:52.879 weird August. First, why not do it during the World 131 00:06:52.959 --> 00:06:55.160 Series or do it you know, it just seems like 132 00:06:55.160 --> 00:06:57.319 a dead dead time, you know, a week after the 133 00:06:57.360 --> 00:07:00.560 World Series has ended. I was surprised because, like you said, 134 00:07:00.600 --> 00:07:03.800 we've heard oh it's done, it's not done. We're nowhere near, 135 00:07:03.839 --> 00:07:06.240 We're nearly there, and the most recent thing we had 136 00:07:06.240 --> 00:07:10.199 heard was you know, we weren't close. So that was 137 00:07:10.399 --> 00:07:11.560 a little bit of a surprise to me. 138 00:07:11.639 --> 00:07:12.040 Definitely. 139 00:07:12.639 --> 00:07:14.800 It's been almost two weeks, as I said, since that 140 00:07:14.920 --> 00:07:19.759 news was dropped. You know, what are your initial thoughts 141 00:07:20.360 --> 00:07:23.279 just I mean anything empty canvas? Tell me what you 142 00:07:23.319 --> 00:07:24.959 tell me what you're thinking or what you have been 143 00:07:24.959 --> 00:07:26.480 thinking for two weeks. Uh. 144 00:07:28.040 --> 00:07:31.759 I'm hoping it's good for the WSP brand. Now when 145 00:07:31.800 --> 00:07:35.519 I'm saying that, I'm talking about more online qualifiers. Obviously 146 00:07:35.519 --> 00:07:37.879 Gigpoker is doing a lot already, but now that they're 147 00:07:39.279 --> 00:07:45.279 legitimately invested. Maybe we see an influx in online qualifiers, 148 00:07:45.319 --> 00:07:47.240 not just the main event, but throughout the whole series. 149 00:07:47.879 --> 00:07:50.879 I'm wondering what this brings for the online client down 150 00:07:50.920 --> 00:07:54.000 the road. I know there's some stuff still, some contracts 151 00:07:54.000 --> 00:07:57.240 still involved with I believe Triple eight for WSP dot com. 152 00:07:57.240 --> 00:07:59.240 But you know, that could be very interesting to see 153 00:07:59.240 --> 00:08:03.040 how that develops from outside of things. Who knows, We'll 154 00:08:03.040 --> 00:08:06.160 see what happens with how they want to handle production, 155 00:08:06.279 --> 00:08:10.480 how they want to handle streaming, et cetera. But I 156 00:08:10.519 --> 00:08:13.319 think just for WSP, I think for the players, you know, 157 00:08:13.439 --> 00:08:15.920 the greater public, I think this is probably a pretty 158 00:08:15.920 --> 00:08:16.279 good thing. 159 00:08:17.319 --> 00:08:20.759 Yeah, I would agree. I think overall it's going to 160 00:08:20.839 --> 00:08:23.120 be a good thing for the w SP brand. I 161 00:08:23.120 --> 00:08:26.240 think it's a good thing for w CP dot com 162 00:08:26.240 --> 00:08:28.360 online poker, and I also think it's a good thing 163 00:08:28.439 --> 00:08:31.439 for online poker in general as it pertains to the 164 00:08:31.560 --> 00:08:35.200 United States. I mean, we know what GG poker has 165 00:08:35.320 --> 00:08:39.679 done in the rest of world market and how big 166 00:08:39.759 --> 00:08:43.879 they've grown, and how you know, incredible their product is. 167 00:08:44.039 --> 00:08:46.440 You know, from a user experience standpoint, the series that 168 00:08:46.480 --> 00:08:49.159 they put on all the time. You know, they obviously 169 00:08:49.200 --> 00:08:51.679 have the the online bracelet events. They have big circuit events, 170 00:08:51.679 --> 00:08:53.639 all that sort of stuff. They have GG millions, et cetera, 171 00:08:53.679 --> 00:08:57.320 et cetera. So I think it's going to take a 172 00:08:57.360 --> 00:08:59.320 little bit of time for the online stuff to get 173 00:08:59.360 --> 00:09:03.120 into the US, but I think it's coming. You know, 174 00:09:03.440 --> 00:09:06.240 I think that this was if I'm going to steal 175 00:09:06.960 --> 00:09:10.759 a line from Nick Jones of Poker Fuse slash Poker 176 00:09:10.759 --> 00:09:14.320 Industry Pro, who is as tapped into this stuff as 177 00:09:14.360 --> 00:09:17.600 anyone in the industry. You can follow him on Twitter 178 00:09:17.639 --> 00:09:22.759 at at poker pro Jones. He said, this isn't the 179 00:09:22.799 --> 00:09:26.120 first step. This is the step to gig getting the 180 00:09:26.559 --> 00:09:30.799 into the US, and what that means is listen GG poker. 181 00:09:31.399 --> 00:09:36.039 They they've tried, I think at times, I think I 182 00:09:36.080 --> 00:09:38.679 believe to get some licenses in the various states, but 183 00:09:38.919 --> 00:09:42.200 haven't worked out. Haven't really been able to get any 184 00:09:42.279 --> 00:09:45.440 licenses or anything like that. This solves all of that. 185 00:09:45.679 --> 00:09:47.879 You can call it a work around whatever you want 186 00:09:47.879 --> 00:09:52.159 to do. But because they acquire the WSOP brand, and 187 00:09:52.200 --> 00:09:55.879 then because they then licensed wsp dot com back to 188 00:09:55.919 --> 00:09:59.440 Caesar's Digital to then operate it, that's like their de 189 00:09:59.440 --> 00:10:04.720 facto lif They're latching on to Caesar's and wysip this way. Now, 190 00:10:04.840 --> 00:10:07.080 you brought up the eighty eight deal, which through all 191 00:10:07.080 --> 00:10:10.120 the reporting that I've seen, I think it's twenty twenty 192 00:10:10.159 --> 00:10:15.440 six when that's over with. So I would assume that 193 00:10:16.519 --> 00:10:20.480 when twenty twenty six happens, that contract would end, GG 194 00:10:20.600 --> 00:10:23.600 poker would come in. This gives GG poker to kind 195 00:10:23.639 --> 00:10:26.159 of ramp things up. They can get any sort of 196 00:10:26.320 --> 00:10:29.720 manufacturer or or platform licenses that they need to, which 197 00:10:29.759 --> 00:10:31.440 they've already done in a couple of states. I think 198 00:10:31.480 --> 00:10:35.240 Pennsylvania and Michigan. They're on the books for those. So 199 00:10:36.000 --> 00:10:38.399 like that stuff I think is eventually coming. So in 200 00:10:38.440 --> 00:10:41.600 the interim, you know, the upgraded dissip dot com software 201 00:10:41.600 --> 00:10:43.720 that a lot of us are playing right now here 202 00:10:43.759 --> 00:10:46.279 in the States is is good. You know, it's it's 203 00:10:46.440 --> 00:10:49.679 better than it was, for sure. But I think it's 204 00:10:49.720 --> 00:10:51.639 kind of that in between, and I think, well, eventually 205 00:10:51.679 --> 00:10:55.000 we'll get more of a GG poker product. I know 206 00:10:55.080 --> 00:11:00.759 that GG poker representatives have said that they're essentially and 207 00:11:01.039 --> 00:11:02.879 I'm you know, I'm kind of paraphrasing this, but you know, 208 00:11:03.080 --> 00:11:04.639 taking the bull by the horns in terms of the 209 00:11:04.759 --> 00:11:08.519 US market, that the current operators here aren't really doing 210 00:11:08.600 --> 00:11:11.879 what needs to be done to push online poker in 211 00:11:12.080 --> 00:11:14.840 the way that it needs to go. And GG Poker 212 00:11:14.960 --> 00:11:17.279 seems like they really want to do that. They really 213 00:11:17.279 --> 00:11:20.120 want to push for legislation, get this thing opened up 214 00:11:20.120 --> 00:11:25.000 in new states, maybe lobby to have the shared liquidity 215 00:11:25.039 --> 00:11:27.679 among states, have that grow as well. So it seems 216 00:11:27.720 --> 00:11:31.840 like all signs are pointing to very positive results from this. 217 00:11:32.360 --> 00:11:34.840 It's just a matter of when it all comes down 218 00:11:34.919 --> 00:11:38.320 and then as it pertains to the live WSIP, I 219 00:11:38.360 --> 00:11:41.120 don't I don't really know what's going to happen. 220 00:11:42.679 --> 00:11:45.360 I don't think you'd change the actual WSP that much, right, Look, 221 00:11:45.360 --> 00:11:47.240 and I think we'll see a crazy different schedule. I 222 00:11:47.240 --> 00:11:50.519 don't think we'll see these dramatic changes. I feel like 223 00:11:50.519 --> 00:11:53.320 we may see more stuff internationally, you know, like we 224 00:11:53.360 --> 00:11:56.279 added Paradise, maybe we add now the gg's involved and 225 00:11:56.320 --> 00:11:59.399 it is based in you know, Korea slash Canada. 226 00:12:00.120 --> 00:12:01.879 May see some more. 227 00:12:02.120 --> 00:12:05.200 You know, circuit events encountera We may see you know, 228 00:12:06.000 --> 00:12:10.759 WSOP Macaw, WSOP Asia Pacific could come back, like, we 229 00:12:10.799 --> 00:12:15.200 may see some more alliterations of the brand outside of 230 00:12:15.240 --> 00:12:16.440 the USA. 231 00:12:16.840 --> 00:12:19.879 Yeah, but don't you think that like in the States, 232 00:12:20.279 --> 00:12:23.120 the flagship WSP we're talking about in the summer those 233 00:12:23.120 --> 00:12:26.279 seven weeks, you know, like in my opinion, that needs 234 00:12:26.320 --> 00:12:29.879 to be modernized. Like how I mean, I don't know, 235 00:12:29.919 --> 00:12:32.440 It's it's very like I think even though they have 236 00:12:32.559 --> 00:12:35.799 like quote unquote modernized some things, like let's say the 237 00:12:36.039 --> 00:12:40.000 Bravo sign ups, you know, like even that is pretty janky. 238 00:12:40.080 --> 00:12:42.440 I mean, like it's pretty like now, Like what I'm 239 00:12:42.440 --> 00:12:44.600 saying is like, can we get the WSP plus app 240 00:12:44.600 --> 00:12:44.919 in here? 241 00:12:45.519 --> 00:12:47.600 Didn't I see something on Twitter this week that that's 242 00:12:47.639 --> 00:12:48.480 coming for next year. 243 00:12:48.720 --> 00:12:52.480 Yeah, I've seen and I've heard that. But like that's 244 00:12:52.519 --> 00:12:55.159 all well and good, but like we also know how 245 00:12:55.240 --> 00:12:58.360 Nevada regulators can be, Like like, so, is that is 246 00:12:58.399 --> 00:13:01.200 that gonna get hung up somewhere the regulation or is 247 00:13:01.240 --> 00:13:04.120 this deal then allow that to get pushed through much faster? 248 00:13:04.559 --> 00:13:06.960 I don't know. I'm just asking those questions. I would 249 00:13:06.960 --> 00:13:09.679 love to have that that wasb plus app here live 250 00:13:09.720 --> 00:13:12.080 in Nevada. That would be great, you know, And then 251 00:13:12.080 --> 00:13:16.799 what does that do for like Bravo being involved and 252 00:13:16.840 --> 00:13:19.840 how they're all tied into everything through the tournament sign ups, 253 00:13:20.519 --> 00:13:22.879 through the registration through through all that sort of stuff. 254 00:13:24.120 --> 00:13:24.480 Exactly. 255 00:13:25.320 --> 00:13:27.440 It's like what we don't know the ins and outs 256 00:13:27.440 --> 00:13:29.480 of all of that sort of stuff. So I think 257 00:13:29.519 --> 00:13:32.200 eventually all of this stuff is coming, you know, to 258 00:13:32.279 --> 00:13:35.120 the live arena, just as it is coming to the 259 00:13:35.159 --> 00:13:38.240 online arena. It's just a matter of when is it coming? Right? 260 00:13:38.639 --> 00:13:41.320 You know, like is it going to be better? Like 261 00:13:41.440 --> 00:13:44.600 is the WSP going to look more like PCA look 262 00:13:44.759 --> 00:13:46.320 used to look down in the Bahamas? 263 00:13:46.600 --> 00:13:46.759 You know? 264 00:13:46.759 --> 00:13:49.159 Are they going to really ramp up the branding all 265 00:13:49.200 --> 00:13:51.600 that sort of stuff now that GG poker is involved 266 00:13:51.639 --> 00:13:54.600 and you know, they're certainly, at least from my view, 267 00:13:54.639 --> 00:13:56.919 seem to be much more willing to spend on marketing 268 00:13:57.000 --> 00:13:59.679 and promotion and aesthetics and all that sort of stuff. 269 00:13:59.720 --> 00:14:04.000 So is that all coming? You know, they've obviously been 270 00:14:04.039 --> 00:14:07.440 involved as a sponsor. Recently they've done an event that 271 00:14:07.480 --> 00:14:09.399 you know, the flip and go right. Are we going 272 00:14:09.480 --> 00:14:12.879 to see more GG poker type of events? You know, 273 00:14:13.279 --> 00:14:16.279 not that they're like complete gimmicks, but like I don't know, 274 00:14:16.480 --> 00:14:18.600 stuff that they take from their online world and then 275 00:14:18.600 --> 00:14:22.480 put it in. Do we see more mystery bounties stuff 276 00:14:22.519 --> 00:14:24.840 like that? You know, Like because Obviously, mystery bownties are 277 00:14:24.840 --> 00:14:26.919 a big thing and online. Do we see more of them? 278 00:14:27.159 --> 00:14:29.679 Given the success of the million dollar bounty at the 279 00:14:29.799 --> 00:14:31.559 WSP do we see a couple more of them? I 280 00:14:31.559 --> 00:14:33.759 don't know, you know, these are all questions. I think overall, 281 00:14:34.360 --> 00:14:37.440 it's going to be a good thing and we'll see, 282 00:14:37.519 --> 00:14:40.440 you know, we'll see how it goes. But yeah, I 283 00:14:40.759 --> 00:14:43.879 think this is kind of like, this is obviously huge news, yes, 284 00:14:43.919 --> 00:14:46.919 you know, and it's it's massive, but there's still much 285 00:14:46.960 --> 00:14:50.080 more to come from it. So I think it's going 286 00:14:50.120 --> 00:14:52.360 to kind of be like a wait and see, we'll 287 00:14:52.399 --> 00:14:55.240 see if anything comes for twenty twenty five, and then 288 00:14:55.320 --> 00:14:58.360 going forward, I would assume that they're probably gonna announce 289 00:14:58.440 --> 00:15:00.799 things as they get as they come, you know, like 290 00:15:00.799 --> 00:15:03.000 if the WSP plus app gets approved or whatever. I 291 00:15:03.000 --> 00:15:04.879 think that would be a good announcement, you know. Yeah, 292 00:15:05.000 --> 00:15:07.919 that's just you know, it's another news item to hit on. 293 00:15:08.000 --> 00:15:10.559 It's another thing that that you know, points everything in 294 00:15:10.639 --> 00:15:13.840 the in the right direction. So that's the big w 295 00:15:14.000 --> 00:15:18.399 CP sale. I mean, Caesar's made out pretty well with this. 296 00:15:19.320 --> 00:15:22.240 I feel like, I mean they bought it for I 297 00:15:22.279 --> 00:15:24.200 want to say, fifty million or something. I don't even 298 00:15:24.279 --> 00:15:27.840 know it was. I remember like talking to people about 299 00:15:28.200 --> 00:15:30.519 that sale that happened back in two thousand and four, 300 00:15:30.559 --> 00:15:32.159 and it was like the Douvaspy was thought of as 301 00:15:32.200 --> 00:15:34.960 like an afterthought in this deal for these other things. 302 00:15:35.559 --> 00:15:39.200 They end up keeping this this you know, this brand, 303 00:15:39.320 --> 00:15:42.039 the World Series of Poker, and they grow it to 304 00:15:42.039 --> 00:15:44.480 what it is, they're now able to flip it for 305 00:15:44.559 --> 00:15:46.759 five hundred million, and then not only that, they get 306 00:15:46.799 --> 00:15:50.279 to keep the flagship version, and you know, are they 307 00:15:50.279 --> 00:15:51.919 going to get raked from that? How is that all 308 00:15:51.960 --> 00:15:53.440 going to work out? Of course we're not privy to 309 00:15:53.559 --> 00:15:55.759 those details, but I'm assuming they're going to be able 310 00:15:55.759 --> 00:15:57.240 to generate some money. They're just not going to put 311 00:15:57.279 --> 00:15:58.879 the thing on for free, right, so they have to 312 00:15:58.919 --> 00:16:01.120 have some skin in the game. So I think all 313 00:16:01.120 --> 00:16:03.960 in all, they made out pretty darn good from this thing, 314 00:16:04.519 --> 00:16:07.720 and then we'll see what happens on the GG Poker 315 00:16:07.720 --> 00:16:09.559 side of things. I think it's all going to be 316 00:16:09.559 --> 00:16:11.799 positive at the end of the day. Yes, but we 317 00:16:11.879 --> 00:16:13.639 just don't know exactly how they're going to take it 318 00:16:13.639 --> 00:16:17.240 and implement it differently than what they have been because 319 00:16:17.320 --> 00:16:19.879 it's not like they haven't had access is kind of 320 00:16:19.879 --> 00:16:22.399 what I'm getting at. They've had basically the license to 321 00:16:22.440 --> 00:16:25.879 do whatever they wanted internationally. They've obviously had the online bracelets, 322 00:16:25.879 --> 00:16:28.000 online circuit stuff, you know, whatever it may be. So 323 00:16:28.960 --> 00:16:31.480 I'm curious to see what all comes of it. And yeah, 324 00:16:31.639 --> 00:16:36.600 really really really big news there the other big item 325 00:16:36.759 --> 00:16:41.440 coming out of the WSP laptop gate Buddy so Dominic 326 00:16:41.519 --> 00:16:43.759 Niche and Joe McKean, if you guys have been living 327 00:16:43.840 --> 00:16:46.399 under a rock, they appear to have been watching the 328 00:16:46.440 --> 00:16:49.240 stream while also running SIMS on a laptop on the 329 00:16:49.279 --> 00:16:53.320 final table rail to help Jonathan Tamayo, who went on 330 00:16:53.360 --> 00:16:56.360 to win the twenty twenty four at WSP Main event. Now, 331 00:16:56.679 --> 00:17:00.080 nothing to my knowledge happened during the final table. There 332 00:17:00.159 --> 00:17:02.960 was no complaints that I'm aware of. No tournament staff 333 00:17:03.039 --> 00:17:07.200 intervened at all to my knowledge. So first up, general thoughts. 334 00:17:08.319 --> 00:17:10.519 The word I think that a lot of people have 335 00:17:10.519 --> 00:17:13.519 been throwing around a lot greatly or wrongly is cheating. 336 00:17:13.599 --> 00:17:14.839 So was this cheating? 337 00:17:15.039 --> 00:17:19.279 Well, if you follow the Dictionary definition of cheating, yes, 338 00:17:19.359 --> 00:17:23.200 they were cheating because it's acting dishonestly or you know, 339 00:17:23.279 --> 00:17:25.720 unfairly to gain an advantage. They were definitely gaining an 340 00:17:25.720 --> 00:17:29.920 advantage by using whether it was gto, was it octupy, whatever, 341 00:17:30.000 --> 00:17:33.839 the product they were using to gain or learn was 342 00:17:33.880 --> 00:17:39.079 to gain advantage. So by the textbook definition of cheating, Yes, However, 343 00:17:40.200 --> 00:17:43.200 do I want to call them cheats? I don't know, man, 344 00:17:43.279 --> 00:17:45.359 because anyone at that final table could have done the 345 00:17:45.400 --> 00:17:48.119 same thing. It's been done throughout the whole World Series. 346 00:17:48.200 --> 00:17:51.400 There are videos that are on Twitter. There are photos 347 00:17:51.440 --> 00:17:55.160 of people using charts while sitting at a table with 348 00:17:55.400 --> 00:17:58.920 or without cards, And I think this kind of falls 349 00:17:58.960 --> 00:18:02.559 back on how do we police this? And not only 350 00:18:02.559 --> 00:18:07.519 how do we police the use of these aids, is 351 00:18:08.160 --> 00:18:10.880 who polices it? And I think that's the bigger the 352 00:18:10.880 --> 00:18:14.759 bigger issue here. Am I upset that Jonathan Tomato had 353 00:18:15.799 --> 00:18:18.720 people in his on his rail that we're helping him, 354 00:18:19.119 --> 00:18:22.319 you know, learn about the other players know because it's 355 00:18:22.599 --> 00:18:24.240 you're trying to win ten million dollars. So I don't 356 00:18:24.279 --> 00:18:26.720 think that's I don't really see a problem with that. Now, 357 00:18:27.000 --> 00:18:28.759 you know, the other players at the final table could 358 00:18:28.759 --> 00:18:31.039 have done the same thing. Just the fact that he 359 00:18:31.079 --> 00:18:33.599 did it, he was the only one doing it that 360 00:18:33.640 --> 00:18:36.119 we know of, and that he won, just makes it 361 00:18:36.119 --> 00:18:40.319 look worse. But yeah, I push that to the side 362 00:18:40.359 --> 00:18:43.759 and I want to focus more on what the rule 363 00:18:43.799 --> 00:18:46.039 should be and how should they be enforced, because I 364 00:18:46.039 --> 00:18:49.559 think that matters more than people, you know, trying to 365 00:18:49.559 --> 00:18:50.759 get better, because at the end of the day, this 366 00:18:50.799 --> 00:18:53.799 is their job, right you're trying to do You're trying 367 00:18:53.799 --> 00:18:55.920 to use something to be better at your job, just 368 00:18:55.960 --> 00:18:58.920 like you and me use maybe we use a particular 369 00:18:59.079 --> 00:19:01.599 email program or a particular remind is that to be 370 00:19:01.640 --> 00:19:02.759 more efficient in our job. 371 00:19:02.960 --> 00:19:05.160 This is a similar kind of thing. It just it's 372 00:19:05.240 --> 00:19:06.680 just looks a little different. 373 00:19:07.160 --> 00:19:13.240 Why this became such a big issue is because in 374 00:19:13.559 --> 00:19:16.920 this specific instance, this was the dibsip the DOVASIPY talked 375 00:19:16.920 --> 00:19:18.759 to the talk and they did not walk the walk. 376 00:19:19.519 --> 00:19:22.559 They made a big deal. Every single day there was 377 00:19:22.599 --> 00:19:26.000 an announcement if you're caught using any of these devices, 378 00:19:26.039 --> 00:19:29.559 any solvers, et cetera, you risk getting banned from the tournament, 379 00:19:29.640 --> 00:19:32.200 you know, disqualified, all that sort of stuff. There was 380 00:19:32.240 --> 00:19:33.799 a lot of talk about it. I mean, we had 381 00:19:33.799 --> 00:19:36.880 a call, what was it not before this series, but 382 00:19:37.119 --> 00:19:39.960 last series, you know, with a whole bunch of home meeting, 383 00:19:40.680 --> 00:19:43.599 tournament staff and WSB officials were involved there and like 384 00:19:43.640 --> 00:19:47.519 this was a big thing, right, And why it became 385 00:19:47.559 --> 00:19:52.640 an issue is because ultimately nothing was done and that 386 00:19:52.880 --> 00:19:54.799 like if you if you come out with a rule 387 00:19:55.079 --> 00:19:57.400 or you come out with something or whatever it may be, 388 00:19:57.720 --> 00:20:01.920 you need to be prepared to then in force said ruling. Right, 389 00:20:02.200 --> 00:20:04.680 That's where this became an issue because if they would 390 00:20:04.680 --> 00:20:08.799 have enforced it, fine, like right, I mean, then that 391 00:20:08.839 --> 00:20:11.000 we might be having a discussion like was the you know, 392 00:20:11.240 --> 00:20:14.599 was the was the penalty you know rightly or justly applied? 393 00:20:14.640 --> 00:20:17.240 Et cetera. On the other side of things, if you 394 00:20:17.359 --> 00:20:20.000 don't come out and quote unquote talk the talk, like 395 00:20:20.119 --> 00:20:21.960 make a big deal out of this every single day 396 00:20:22.000 --> 00:20:25.519 that if somebody uses this stuff they can get disqualified. 397 00:20:25.920 --> 00:20:27.839 Then this person uses it, well, then it's it's not 398 00:20:28.319 --> 00:20:31.160 a big issue. Yeah, you know it's it's or it 399 00:20:31.240 --> 00:20:33.000 might be a talking point, but it's not as big 400 00:20:33.039 --> 00:20:35.079 of an issue as it was. I think the problem 401 00:20:35.160 --> 00:20:38.200