1 00:00:11,160 --> 00:00:14,240 Speaker 1: Hello, everyone, Welcome back to a new episode of the 2 00:00:14,279 --> 00:00:19,239 Poker Go Podcast. My name is Donny Peters. Tim is back. Finally, 3 00:00:19,359 --> 00:00:22,320 Tim Duckworth is in in the I don't know what 4 00:00:22,559 --> 00:00:25,800 do you call it the shotguns? I don't know whatever. 5 00:00:26,280 --> 00:00:27,000 Speaker 2: I'm in the flesh. 6 00:00:27,280 --> 00:00:29,239 Speaker 1: You really are in the flesh, because I mean not 7 00:00:29,280 --> 00:00:31,559 that we do a video podcast, but you are sitting 8 00:00:31,559 --> 00:00:36,679 there with no shirt on, which is weird. But whatever, 9 00:00:37,439 --> 00:00:39,119 here's the deal. We have a lot of things to 10 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:40,679 talk about. I don't know if we're going to get 11 00:00:40,719 --> 00:00:43,200 to them all because we only have about thirty minutes 12 00:00:43,280 --> 00:00:47,159 before I have to go jumping in another meeting. But 13 00:00:47,240 --> 00:00:48,679 I want to kick this one off. It's not on 14 00:00:48,719 --> 00:00:51,240 the rundown with a family pot, so play the damn jingle, 15 00:01:01,479 --> 00:01:03,960 all right, So listen, this isn't necessarily a family pot 16 00:01:04,000 --> 00:01:06,319 I mean it kind of is. I'm I'm making it 17 00:01:06,400 --> 00:01:08,400 like that because I had to take my kids to 18 00:01:08,439 --> 00:01:13,480 the doctor. Listen these f in doctors. Okay, my appointment 19 00:01:13,480 --> 00:01:15,840 is scheduled for nine o'clock. I show up at eight 20 00:01:15,879 --> 00:01:18,480 forty five because I like to be early and whatever. 21 00:01:18,680 --> 00:01:21,599 The door isn't even unlocked. What the f okay problem? 22 00:01:21,719 --> 00:01:24,599 Number one, like, it's nine o'clock. Can we figure this out? 23 00:01:24,680 --> 00:01:27,359 You think people should be open at seven o'clock? Like, 24 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:29,560 this is not We don't have time to nine o'clock. 25 00:01:30,000 --> 00:01:32,519 Nine o'clock. The door is unlocked. What are we doing here? 26 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:34,879 Second of all, okay, I get in there. I gotta 27 00:01:34,959 --> 00:01:37,560 do whatever. The lady's like, she's like, I need your 28 00:01:37,560 --> 00:01:39,359 insurance card and your ID. I'm like, I don't have 29 00:01:39,359 --> 00:01:42,120 my insurance card. She's like, well, new policy, we can't 30 00:01:42,359 --> 00:01:44,400 see you. I'm like, it's the same insurance card it's 31 00:01:44,400 --> 00:01:47,519 been for the last three years. Okay, Like, how is 32 00:01:47,519 --> 00:01:49,760 this hard? Isn't it on file? She's giving me the 33 00:01:49,799 --> 00:01:51,799 run around. I'm like okay, I'm like whatever, I'll bring 34 00:01:51,799 --> 00:01:53,519 it next time, Like, can you just figure this out? 35 00:01:53,560 --> 00:01:55,480 It's the same one. So then we have that issue. 36 00:01:55,599 --> 00:01:57,319 Then they finally get me in there. I get back 37 00:01:57,359 --> 00:02:01,120 there at nine to ten. I wait untill nine forty 38 00:02:01,159 --> 00:02:07,120 eight to see the freaking doctor. This shit is unbelievable, man, unbelievable. 39 00:02:07,239 --> 00:02:10,719 The kids are screaming their heads off, like I can't 40 00:02:10,879 --> 00:02:13,919 feed the youngest one because he needs to take shots today. 41 00:02:13,919 --> 00:02:15,879 Because this is one year check up. It's just a 42 00:02:15,919 --> 00:02:19,199 freaking disaster. Can people just be on time and when 43 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:22,439 your door is locked? Okay? And I'm standing outside of 44 00:02:22,439 --> 00:02:24,319 the door with me and another guy. It was me 45 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:26,360 and another guy. He's got his son, I got my 46 00:02:26,400 --> 00:02:29,000 two kids. We are the only people there, the only 47 00:02:29,080 --> 00:02:32,680 people there. Okay, So you have two appointments. Why does 48 00:02:32,719 --> 00:02:36,280 it take forty eight minutes to see me? Why that 49 00:02:36,439 --> 00:02:39,479 is unreal? And I'm pissed and I'm hot, I haven't 50 00:02:39,479 --> 00:02:42,159 had my coffee. I gotta do this podcast. The whole 51 00:02:42,199 --> 00:02:45,639 day is screwed up. I'm so f and mad. It's unbelievable. 52 00:02:45,759 --> 00:02:52,479 It's unbelievable, Tim, unbelievable. Okay, let's talk about actual stuff 53 00:02:52,759 --> 00:02:55,840 on today's show. Okay, on today's show, w has to 54 00:02:55,840 --> 00:02:58,960 Be got sold for half a billion dollars, five hundred 55 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:01,400 million dollars. Got to get our thoughts on laptop eight 56 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:03,560 because Tim and I haven't been on these airways together 57 00:03:03,800 --> 00:03:07,400 since the WSOP WSP Paradise is back. We got Scott 58 00:03:07,439 --> 00:03:09,680 seever winning Player of the Year. We got Patrick Antonius 59 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:11,319 in the Hall of Fame. We got to hit on 60 00:03:11,319 --> 00:03:13,759 the PGT leaderboard because we are getting into the second 61 00:03:13,800 --> 00:03:16,639 half of the season, pretty pretty pretty soon, Tim's going 62 00:03:16,680 --> 00:03:19,879 to be on a jet over to Cyprus, and that 63 00:03:20,000 --> 00:03:22,680 is where a super high rollable, super high rollable series, 64 00:03:22,680 --> 00:03:25,560 whatever we're calling it, is taking off again. I don't 65 00:03:25,560 --> 00:03:28,800 know if we're going to get to all these topics today. 66 00:03:28,879 --> 00:03:30,840 If we don't get to any, we'll try and hit 67 00:03:30,879 --> 00:03:32,360 on them at a future show. 68 00:03:32,479 --> 00:03:32,960 Speaker 2: Of course. 69 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:35,560 Speaker 1: This episode of the Poker Girl Podcast is brought to 70 00:03:35,560 --> 00:03:38,599 you by storm X. The easiest way to earn crypto 71 00:03:39,000 --> 00:03:42,120 just head on over to storm x dot io, activate 72 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:45,639 cash back offers when you sign up, and then start 73 00:03:45,680 --> 00:03:49,800 chopping online as you normally do. To shop through the 74 00:03:49,800 --> 00:03:53,120 eligible vendors that are all listed on storm X's website. 75 00:03:53,240 --> 00:03:56,599 You can then earn crypto on confirmed purchases. There are 76 00:03:56,599 --> 00:04:00,360 a variety of tokens available you can earn bitcoin, don't coin, 77 00:04:00,439 --> 00:04:02,759 and more. Earning crypto doesn't have to be hard with 78 00:04:02,879 --> 00:04:07,560 Stormac's Earning crypto is easy, all right. First things first, 79 00:04:08,039 --> 00:04:12,039 the big news that dropped on August. First, the WSP 80 00:04:12,199 --> 00:04:15,960 is sold. The brand gets sold for five hundred million dollars. 81 00:04:16,360 --> 00:04:20,439 So the parent company of GG Poker, which is listed 82 00:04:20,480 --> 00:04:24,399 as ns US Group, which people have told us is 83 00:04:24,439 --> 00:04:29,079 pronounced answers. Which chance people keep saying that to me. 84 00:04:29,160 --> 00:04:31,560 Multiple people have all said that to me. It's pronounced answers, 85 00:04:32,000 --> 00:04:34,360 So I don't know. I'm just gonna say Ensis because 86 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:36,480 that's what it looks like to me, you know, just 87 00:04:36,519 --> 00:04:39,680 like you say WOSOP, I'm going to say Ensis. So 88 00:04:39,720 --> 00:04:44,199 the wosop got sold to Ensis. So Ensis Group is 89 00:04:44,240 --> 00:04:47,360 it's the parent company of GG Poker, So this is 90 00:04:47,439 --> 00:04:52,439 essentially GG Poker buying the WSP. They acquired the the 91 00:04:52,560 --> 00:04:55,279 WSP for five hundred million dollars. To first two hundred 92 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:57,079 and fifty million of that is going to be cold 93 00:04:57,319 --> 00:05:01,759 hard cash, baby, and then the the next two hundred 94 00:05:01,759 --> 00:05:03,680 and fifty million is due. I think it's due within 95 00:05:03,759 --> 00:05:07,319 five years in a note or whatever, So that will 96 00:05:07,319 --> 00:05:12,680 be to come. If you guys want to flashback twenty years. 97 00:05:12,680 --> 00:05:16,040 Caesar's originally purchased the ws AP in two thousand and four. 98 00:05:16,160 --> 00:05:20,120 That was when Caesar's was still or previously known as 99 00:05:20,120 --> 00:05:23,839 Hare's Entertainment. They moved it from Benion's Horseshoe over to 100 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,720 the Rio, and that's when you know it came in 101 00:05:26,800 --> 00:05:28,800 all of our lives. You know, all the people Tim 102 00:05:28,839 --> 00:05:31,639 and I who are in poker these days. That's pretty 103 00:05:31,720 --> 00:05:33,639 much when we remember it, you know, we remember it 104 00:05:33,680 --> 00:05:38,040 at the Rio and growing from there. Just some keynotes 105 00:05:38,600 --> 00:05:41,360 from the press release that was sent out again on 106 00:05:41,480 --> 00:05:44,319 August first, so you know, just under two weeks ago, 107 00:05:45,519 --> 00:05:48,920 says Caesars has secured the right from ENSIS to continue 108 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:52,360 hosting ws AP's flagship live tournament series at its Las 109 00:05:52,439 --> 00:05:55,759 Vegas casinos for the next twenty years. So for anyone 110 00:05:55,800 --> 00:05:58,199 freaking out, oh my god, the divasipy is gonna move, 111 00:05:59,399 --> 00:06:02,000 that tells us right there, it's staying in Vegas for 112 00:06:02,079 --> 00:06:04,879 twenty years. And then it says Caesar's Digital will also 113 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:09,160 receive a license from ENSIS to continue operating it's recently 114 00:06:09,240 --> 00:06:14,360 upgraded WSP online real money poker business in Nevada, New Jersey, Michigan, 115 00:06:14,439 --> 00:06:19,199 and Pennsylvania for the foreseeable future. I guess first question 116 00:06:19,279 --> 00:06:24,000 for you, were you surprised when this news had dropped, 117 00:06:24,040 --> 00:06:26,879 because let me preface that by saying that we had 118 00:06:26,920 --> 00:06:30,399 heard this for a while, right this was possibly coming 119 00:06:30,399 --> 00:06:32,279 down the pipeline. It had been in the works for 120 00:06:32,319 --> 00:06:33,120 a long time. 121 00:06:33,480 --> 00:06:33,639 Speaker 2: You know. 122 00:06:33,720 --> 00:06:35,879 Speaker 1: At times that you know, we had been told like 123 00:06:35,959 --> 00:06:38,639 it's a done deal. Other times it's like it's probably 124 00:06:38,639 --> 00:06:40,000 not going to happen. So it was kind of all 125 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:43,800 over the place, but it kind of dropped on us, 126 00:06:44,000 --> 00:06:46,360 I would say, out of the blue a little bit. 127 00:06:46,399 --> 00:06:48,439 So were you surprised that it was announced? 128 00:06:48,480 --> 00:06:48,680 Speaker 2: Yeah? 129 00:06:48,720 --> 00:06:50,839 Speaker 3: Surprising two ways. Firstly, the date seems as a little 130 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:52,879 weird August. First, why not do it during the World 131 00:06:52,959 --> 00:06:55,160 Series or do it you know, it just seems like 132 00:06:55,160 --> 00:06:57,319 a dead dead time, you know, a week after the 133 00:06:57,360 --> 00:07:00,560 World Series has ended. I was surprised because, like you said, 134 00:07:00,600 --> 00:07:03,800 we've heard oh it's done, it's not done. We're nowhere near, 135 00:07:03,839 --> 00:07:06,240 We're nearly there, and the most recent thing we had 136 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:10,199 heard was you know, we weren't close. So that was 137 00:07:10,399 --> 00:07:11,560 a little bit of a surprise to me. 138 00:07:11,639 --> 00:07:12,040 Speaker 2: Definitely. 139 00:07:12,639 --> 00:07:14,800 Speaker 1: It's been almost two weeks, as I said, since that 140 00:07:14,920 --> 00:07:19,759 news was dropped. You know, what are your initial thoughts 141 00:07:20,360 --> 00:07:23,279 just I mean anything empty canvas? Tell me what you 142 00:07:23,319 --> 00:07:24,959 tell me what you're thinking or what you have been 143 00:07:24,959 --> 00:07:26,480 thinking for two weeks. Uh. 144 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:31,759 Speaker 3: I'm hoping it's good for the WSP brand. Now when 145 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:35,519 I'm saying that, I'm talking about more online qualifiers. Obviously 146 00:07:35,519 --> 00:07:37,879 Gigpoker is doing a lot already, but now that they're 147 00:07:39,279 --> 00:07:45,279 legitimately invested. Maybe we see an influx in online qualifiers, 148 00:07:45,319 --> 00:07:47,240 not just the main event, but throughout the whole series. 149 00:07:47,879 --> 00:07:50,879 I'm wondering what this brings for the online client down 150 00:07:50,920 --> 00:07:54,000 the road. I know there's some stuff still, some contracts 151 00:07:54,000 --> 00:07:57,240 still involved with I believe Triple eight for WSP dot com. 152 00:07:57,240 --> 00:07:59,240 But you know, that could be very interesting to see 153 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:03,040 how that develops from outside of things. Who knows, We'll 154 00:08:03,040 --> 00:08:06,160 see what happens with how they want to handle production, 155 00:08:06,279 --> 00:08:10,480 how they want to handle streaming, et cetera. But I 156 00:08:10,519 --> 00:08:13,319 think just for WSP, I think for the players, you know, 157 00:08:13,439 --> 00:08:15,920 the greater public, I think this is probably a pretty 158 00:08:15,920 --> 00:08:16,279 good thing. 159 00:08:17,319 --> 00:08:20,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree. I think overall it's going to 160 00:08:20,839 --> 00:08:23,120 be a good thing for the w SP brand. I 161 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:26,240 think it's a good thing for w CP dot com 162 00:08:26,240 --> 00:08:28,360 online poker, and I also think it's a good thing 163 00:08:28,439 --> 00:08:31,439 for online poker in general as it pertains to the 164 00:08:31,560 --> 00:08:35,200 United States. I mean, we know what GG poker has 165 00:08:35,320 --> 00:08:39,679 done in the rest of world market and how big 166 00:08:39,759 --> 00:08:43,879 they've grown, and how you know, incredible their product is. 167 00:08:44,039 --> 00:08:46,440 You know, from a user experience standpoint, the series that 168 00:08:46,480 --> 00:08:49,159 they put on all the time. You know, they obviously 169 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:51,679 have the the online bracelet events. They have big circuit events, 170 00:08:51,679 --> 00:08:53,639 all that sort of stuff. They have GG millions, et cetera, 171 00:08:53,679 --> 00:08:57,320 et cetera. So I think it's going to take a 172 00:08:57,360 --> 00:08:59,320 little bit of time for the online stuff to get 173 00:08:59,360 --> 00:09:03,120 into the US, but I think it's coming. You know, 174 00:09:03,440 --> 00:09:06,240 I think that this was if I'm going to steal 175 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:10,759 a line from Nick Jones of Poker Fuse slash Poker 176 00:09:10,759 --> 00:09:14,320 Industry Pro, who is as tapped into this stuff as 177 00:09:14,360 --> 00:09:17,600 anyone in the industry. You can follow him on Twitter 178 00:09:17,639 --> 00:09:22,759 at at poker pro Jones. He said, this isn't the 179 00:09:22,799 --> 00:09:26,120 first step. This is the step to gig getting the 180 00:09:26,559 --> 00:09:30,799 into the US, and what that means is listen GG poker. 181 00:09:31,399 --> 00:09:36,039 They they've tried, I think at times, I think I 182 00:09:36,080 --> 00:09:38,679 believe to get some licenses in the various states, but 183 00:09:38,919 --> 00:09:42,200 haven't worked out. Haven't really been able to get any 184 00:09:42,279 --> 00:09:45,440 licenses or anything like that. This solves all of that. 185 00:09:45,679 --> 00:09:47,879 You can call it a work around whatever you want 186 00:09:47,879 --> 00:09:52,159 to do. But because they acquire the WSOP brand, and 187 00:09:52,200 --> 00:09:55,879 then because they then licensed wsp dot com back to 188 00:09:55,919 --> 00:09:59,440 Caesar's Digital to then operate it, that's like their de 189 00:09:59,440 --> 00:10:04,720 facto lif They're latching on to Caesar's and wysip this way. Now, 190 00:10:04,840 --> 00:10:07,080 you brought up the eighty eight deal, which through all 191 00:10:07,080 --> 00:10:10,120 the reporting that I've seen, I think it's twenty twenty 192 00:10:10,159 --> 00:10:15,440 six when that's over with. So I would assume that 193 00:10:16,519 --> 00:10:20,480 when twenty twenty six happens, that contract would end, GG 194 00:10:20,600 --> 00:10:23,600 poker would come in. This gives GG poker to kind 195 00:10:23,639 --> 00:10:26,159 of ramp things up. They can get any sort of 196 00:10:26,320 --> 00:10:29,720 manufacturer or or platform licenses that they need to, which 197 00:10:29,759 --> 00:10:31,440 they've already done in a couple of states. I think 198 00:10:31,480 --> 00:10:35,240 Pennsylvania and Michigan. They're on the books for those. So 199 00:10:36,000 --> 00:10:38,399 like that stuff I think is eventually coming. So in 200 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:41,600 the interim, you know, the upgraded dissip dot com software 201 00:10:41,600 --> 00:10:43,720 that a lot of us are playing right now here 202 00:10:43,759 --> 00:10:46,279 in the States is is good. You know, it's it's 203 00:10:46,440 --> 00:10:49,679 better than it was, for sure. But I think it's 204 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:51,639 kind of that in between, and I think, well, eventually 205 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:55,000 we'll get more of a GG poker product. I know 206 00:10:55,080 --> 00:11:00,759 that GG poker representatives have said that they're essentially and 207 00:11:01,039 --> 00:11:02,879 I'm you know, I'm kind of paraphrasing this, but you know, 208 00:11:03,080 --> 00:11:04,639 taking the bull by the horns in terms of the 209 00:11:04,759 --> 00:11:08,519 US market, that the current operators here aren't really doing 210 00:11:08,600 --> 00:11:11,879 what needs to be done to push online poker in 211 00:11:12,080 --> 00:11:14,840 the way that it needs to go. And GG Poker 212 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:17,279 seems like they really want to do that. They really 213 00:11:17,279 --> 00:11:20,120 want to push for legislation, get this thing opened up 214 00:11:20,120 --> 00:11:25,000 in new states, maybe lobby to have the shared liquidity 215 00:11:25,039 --> 00:11:27,679 among states, have that grow as well. So it seems 216 00:11:27,720 --> 00:11:31,840 like all signs are pointing to very positive results from this. 217 00:11:32,360 --> 00:11:34,840 It's just a matter of when it all comes down 218 00:11:34,919 --> 00:11:38,320 and then as it pertains to the live WSIP, I 219 00:11:38,360 --> 00:11:41,120 don't I don't really know what's going to happen. 220 00:11:42,679 --> 00:11:45,360 Speaker 3: I don't think you'd change the actual WSP that much, right, Look, 221 00:11:45,360 --> 00:11:47,240 and I think we'll see a crazy different schedule. I 222 00:11:47,240 --> 00:11:50,519 don't think we'll see these dramatic changes. I feel like 223 00:11:50,519 --> 00:11:53,320 we may see more stuff internationally, you know, like we 224 00:11:53,360 --> 00:11:56,279 added Paradise, maybe we add now the gg's involved and 225 00:11:56,320 --> 00:11:59,399 it is based in you know, Korea slash Canada. 226 00:12:00,120 --> 00:12:01,879 Speaker 2: May see some more. 227 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:05,200 Speaker 3: You know, circuit events encountera We may see you know, 228 00:12:06,000 --> 00:12:10,759 WSOP Macaw, WSOP Asia Pacific could come back, like, we 229 00:12:10,799 --> 00:12:15,200 may see some more alliterations of the brand outside of 230 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:16,440 the USA. 231 00:12:16,840 --> 00:12:19,879 Speaker 1: Yeah, but don't you think that like in the States, 232 00:12:20,279 --> 00:12:23,120 the flagship WSP we're talking about in the summer those 233 00:12:23,120 --> 00:12:26,279 seven weeks, you know, like in my opinion, that needs 234 00:12:26,320 --> 00:12:29,879 to be modernized. Like how I mean, I don't know, 235 00:12:29,919 --> 00:12:32,440 It's it's very like I think even though they have 236 00:12:32,559 --> 00:12:35,799 like quote unquote modernized some things, like let's say the 237 00:12:36,039 --> 00:12:40,000 Bravo sign ups, you know, like even that is pretty janky. 238 00:12:40,080 --> 00:12:42,440 I mean, like it's pretty like now, Like what I'm 239 00:12:42,440 --> 00:12:44,600 saying is like, can we get the WSP plus app 240 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:44,919 in here? 241 00:12:45,519 --> 00:12:47,600 Speaker 3: Didn't I see something on Twitter this week that that's 242 00:12:47,639 --> 00:12:48,480 coming for next year. 243 00:12:48,720 --> 00:12:52,480 Speaker 1: Yeah, I've seen and I've heard that. But like that's 244 00:12:52,519 --> 00:12:55,159 all well and good, but like we also know how 245 00:12:55,240 --> 00:12:58,360 Nevada regulators can be, Like like, so, is that is 246 00:12:58,399 --> 00:13:01,200 that gonna get hung up somewhere the regulation or is 247 00:13:01,240 --> 00:13:04,120 this deal then allow that to get pushed through much faster? 248 00:13:04,559 --> 00:13:06,960 I don't know. I'm just asking those questions. I would 249 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:09,679 love to have that that wasb plus app here live 250 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:12,080 in Nevada. That would be great, you know, And then 251 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:16,799 what does that do for like Bravo being involved and 252 00:13:16,840 --> 00:13:19,840 how they're all tied into everything through the tournament sign ups, 253 00:13:20,519 --> 00:13:22,879 through the registration through through all that sort of stuff. 254 00:13:24,120 --> 00:13:24,480 Speaker 2: Exactly. 255 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:27,440 Speaker 1: It's like what we don't know the ins and outs 256 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:29,480 of all of that sort of stuff. So I think 257 00:13:29,519 --> 00:13:32,200 eventually all of this stuff is coming, you know, to 258 00:13:32,279 --> 00:13:35,120 the live arena, just as it is coming to the 259 00:13:35,159 --> 00:13:38,240 online arena. It's just a matter of when is it coming? Right? 260 00:13:38,639 --> 00:13:41,320 You know, like is it going to be better? Like 261 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:44,600 is the WSP going to look more like PCA look 262 00:13:44,759 --> 00:13:46,320 used to look down in the Bahamas? 263 00:13:46,600 --> 00:13:46,759 Speaker 2: You know? 264 00:13:46,759 --> 00:13:49,159 Speaker 1: Are they going to really ramp up the branding all 265 00:13:49,200 --> 00:13:51,600 that sort of stuff now that GG poker is involved 266 00:13:51,639 --> 00:13:54,600 and you know, they're certainly, at least from my view, 267 00:13:54,639 --> 00:13:56,919 seem to be much more willing to spend on marketing 268 00:13:57,000 --> 00:13:59,679 and promotion and aesthetics and all that sort of stuff. 269 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:04,000 So is that all coming? You know, they've obviously been 270 00:14:04,039 --> 00:14:07,440 involved as a sponsor. Recently they've done an event that 271 00:14:07,480 --> 00:14:09,399 you know, the flip and go right. Are we going 272 00:14:09,480 --> 00:14:12,879 to see more GG poker type of events? You know, 273 00:14:13,279 --> 00:14:16,279 not that they're like complete gimmicks, but like I don't know, 274 00:14:16,480 --> 00:14:18,600 stuff that they take from their online world and then 275 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:22,480 put it in. Do we see more mystery bounties stuff 276 00:14:22,519 --> 00:14:24,840 like that? You know, Like because Obviously, mystery bownties are 277 00:14:24,840 --> 00:14:26,919 a big thing and online. Do we see more of them? 278 00:14:27,159 --> 00:14:29,679 Given the success of the million dollar bounty at the 279 00:14:29,799 --> 00:14:31,559 WSP do we see a couple more of them? I 280 00:14:31,559 --> 00:14:33,759 don't know, you know, these are all questions. I think overall, 281 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:37,440 it's going to be a good thing and we'll see, 282 00:14:37,519 --> 00:14:40,440 you know, we'll see how it goes. But yeah, I 283 00:14:40,759 --> 00:14:43,879 think this is kind of like, this is obviously huge news, yes, 284 00:14:43,919 --> 00:14:46,919 you know, and it's it's massive, but there's still much 285 00:14:46,960 --> 00:14:50,080 more to come from it. So I think it's going 286 00:14:50,120 --> 00:14:52,360 to kind of be like a wait and see, we'll 287 00:14:52,399 --> 00:14:55,240 see if anything comes for twenty twenty five, and then 288 00:14:55,320 --> 00:14:58,360 going forward, I would assume that they're probably gonna announce 289 00:14:58,440 --> 00:15:00,799 things as they get as they come, you know, like 290 00:15:00,799 --> 00:15:03,000 if the WSP plus app gets approved or whatever. I 291 00:15:03,000 --> 00:15:04,879 think that would be a good announcement, you know. Yeah, 292 00:15:05,000 --> 00:15:07,919 that's just you know, it's another news item to hit on. 293 00:15:08,000 --> 00:15:10,559 It's another thing that that you know, points everything in 294 00:15:10,639 --> 00:15:13,840 the in the right direction. So that's the big w 295 00:15:14,000 --> 00:15:18,399 CP sale. I mean, Caesar's made out pretty well with this. 296 00:15:19,320 --> 00:15:22,240 I feel like, I mean they bought it for I 297 00:15:22,279 --> 00:15:24,200 want to say, fifty million or something. I don't even 298 00:15:24,279 --> 00:15:27,840 know it was. I remember like talking to people about 299 00:15:28,200 --> 00:15:30,519 that sale that happened back in two thousand and four, 300 00:15:30,559 --> 00:15:32,159 and it was like the Douvaspy was thought of as 301 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:34,960 like an afterthought in this deal for these other things. 302 00:15:35,559 --> 00:15:39,200 They end up keeping this this you know, this brand, 303 00:15:39,320 --> 00:15:42,039 the World Series of Poker, and they grow it to 304 00:15:42,039 --> 00:15:44,480 what it is, they're now able to flip it for 305 00:15:44,559 --> 00:15:46,759 five hundred million, and then not only that, they get 306 00:15:46,799 --> 00:15:50,279 to keep the flagship version, and you know, are they 307 00:15:50,279 --> 00:15:51,919 going to get raked from that? How is that all 308 00:15:51,960 --> 00:15:53,440 going to work out? Of course we're not privy to 309 00:15:53,559 --> 00:15:55,759 those details, but I'm assuming they're going to be able 310 00:15:55,759 --> 00:15:57,240 to generate some money. They're just not going to put 311 00:15:57,279 --> 00:15:58,879 the thing on for free, right, so they have to 312 00:15:58,919 --> 00:16:01,120 have some skin in the game. So I think all 313 00:16:01,120 --> 00:16:03,960 in all, they made out pretty darn good from this thing, 314 00:16:04,519 --> 00:16:07,720 and then we'll see what happens on the GG Poker 315 00:16:07,720 --> 00:16:09,559 side of things. I think it's all going to be 316 00:16:09,559 --> 00:16:11,799 positive at the end of the day. Yes, but we 317 00:16:11,879 --> 00:16:13,639 just don't know exactly how they're going to take it 318 00:16:13,639 --> 00:16:17,240 and implement it differently than what they have been because 319 00:16:17,320 --> 00:16:19,879 it's not like they haven't had access is kind of 320 00:16:19,879 --> 00:16:22,399 what I'm getting at. They've had basically the license to 321 00:16:22,440 --> 00:16:25,879 do whatever they wanted internationally. They've obviously had the online bracelets, 322 00:16:25,879 --> 00:16:28,000 online circuit stuff, you know, whatever it may be. So 323 00:16:28,960 --> 00:16:31,480 I'm curious to see what all comes of it. And yeah, 324 00:16:31,639 --> 00:16:36,600 really really really big news there the other big item 325 00:16:36,759 --> 00:16:41,440 coming out of the WSP laptop gate Buddy so Dominic 326 00:16:41,519 --> 00:16:43,759 Niche and Joe McKean, if you guys have been living 327 00:16:43,840 --> 00:16:46,399 under a rock, they appear to have been watching the 328 00:16:46,440 --> 00:16:49,240 stream while also running SIMS on a laptop on the 329 00:16:49,279 --> 00:16:53,320 final table rail to help Jonathan Tamayo, who went on 330 00:16:53,360 --> 00:16:56,360 to win the twenty twenty four at WSP Main event. Now, 331 00:16:56,679 --> 00:17:00,080 nothing to my knowledge happened during the final table. There 332 00:17:00,159 --> 00:17:02,960 was no complaints that I'm aware of. No tournament staff 333 00:17:03,039 --> 00:17:07,200 intervened at all to my knowledge. So first up, general thoughts. 334 00:17:08,319 --> 00:17:10,519 The word I think that a lot of people have 335 00:17:10,519 --> 00:17:13,519 been throwing around a lot greatly or wrongly is cheating. 336 00:17:13,599 --> 00:17:14,839 So was this cheating? 337 00:17:15,039 --> 00:17:19,279 Speaker 3: Well, if you follow the Dictionary definition of cheating, yes, 338 00:17:19,359 --> 00:17:23,200 they were cheating because it's acting dishonestly or you know, 339 00:17:23,279 --> 00:17:25,720 unfairly to gain an advantage. They were definitely gaining an 340 00:17:25,720 --> 00:17:29,920 advantage by using whether it was gto, was it octupy, whatever, 341 00:17:30,000 --> 00:17:33,839 the product they were using to gain or learn was 342 00:17:33,880 --> 00:17:39,079 to gain advantage. So by the textbook definition of cheating, Yes, However, 343 00:17:40,200 --> 00:17:43,200 do I want to call them cheats? I don't know, man, 344 00:17:43,279 --> 00:17:45,359 because anyone at that final table could have done the 345 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:48,119 same thing. It's been done throughout the whole World Series. 346 00:17:48,200 --> 00:17:51,400 There are videos that are on Twitter. There are photos 347 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:55,160 of people using charts while sitting at a table with 348 00:17:55,400 --> 00:17:58,920 or without cards, And I think this kind of falls 349 00:17:58,960 --> 00:18:02,559 back on how do we police this? And not only 350 00:18:02,559 --> 00:18:07,519 how do we police the use of these aids, is 351 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:10,880 who polices it? And I think that's the bigger the 352 00:18:10,880 --> 00:18:14,759 bigger issue here. Am I upset that Jonathan Tomato had 353 00:18:15,799 --> 00:18:18,720 people in his on his rail that we're helping him, 354 00:18:19,119 --> 00:18:22,319 you know, learn about the other players know because it's 355 00:18:22,599 --> 00:18:24,240 you're trying to win ten million dollars. So I don't 356 00:18:24,279 --> 00:18:26,720 think that's I don't really see a problem with that. Now, 357 00:18:27,000 --> 00:18:28,759 you know, the other players at the final table could 358 00:18:28,759 --> 00:18:31,039 have done the same thing. Just the fact that he 359 00:18:31,079 --> 00:18:33,599 did it, he was the only one doing it that 360 00:18:33,640 --> 00:18:36,119 we know of, and that he won, just makes it 361 00:18:36,119 --> 00:18:40,319 look worse. But yeah, I push that to the side 362 00:18:40,359 --> 00:18:43,759 and I want to focus more on what the rule 363 00:18:43,799 --> 00:18:46,039 should be and how should they be enforced, because I 364 00:18:46,039 --> 00:18:49,559 think that matters more than people, you know, trying to 365 00:18:49,559 --> 00:18:50,759 get better, because at the end of the day, this 366 00:18:50,799 --> 00:18:53,799 is their job, right you're trying to do You're trying 367 00:18:53,799 --> 00:18:55,920 to use something to be better at your job, just 368 00:18:55,960 --> 00:18:58,920 like you and me use maybe we use a particular 369 00:18:59,079 --> 00:19:01,599 email program or a particular remind is that to be 370 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:02,759 more efficient in our job. 371 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:05,160 Speaker 2: This is a similar kind of thing. It just it's 372 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:06,680 just looks a little different. 373 00:19:07,160 --> 00:19:13,240 Speaker 1: Why this became such a big issue is because in 374 00:19:13,559 --> 00:19:16,920 this specific instance, this was the dibsip the DOVASIPY talked 375 00:19:16,920 --> 00:19:18,759 to the talk and they did not walk the walk. 376 00:19:19,519 --> 00:19:22,559 They made a big deal. Every single day there was 377 00:19:22,599 --> 00:19:26,000 an announcement if you're caught using any of these devices, 378 00:19:26,039 --> 00:19:29,559 any solvers, et cetera, you risk getting banned from the tournament, 379 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:32,200 you know, disqualified, all that sort of stuff. There was 380 00:19:32,240 --> 00:19:33,799 a lot of talk about it. I mean, we had 381 00:19:33,799 --> 00:19:36,880 a call, what was it not before this series, but 382 00:19:37,119 --> 00:19:39,960 last series, you know, with a whole bunch of home meeting, 383 00:19:40,680 --> 00:19:43,599 tournament staff and WSB officials were involved there and like 384 00:19:43,640 --> 00:19:47,519 this was a big thing, right, And why it became 385 00:19:47,559 --> 00:19:52,640 an issue is because ultimately nothing was done and that 386 00:19:52,880 --> 00:19:54,799 like if you if you come out with a rule 387 00:19:55,079 --> 00:19:57,400 or you come out with something or whatever it may be, 388 00:19:57,720 --> 00:20:01,920 you need to be prepared to then in force said ruling. Right, 389 00:20:02,200 --> 00:20:04,680 That's where this became an issue because if they would 390 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:08,799 have enforced it, fine, like right, I mean, then that 391 00:20:08,839 --> 00:20:11,000 we might be having a discussion like was the you know, 392 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:14,599 was the was the penalty you know rightly or justly applied? 393 00:20:14,640 --> 00:20:17,240 Et cetera. On the other side of things, if you 394 00:20:17,359 --> 00:20:20,000 don't come out and quote unquote talk the talk, like 395 00:20:20,119 --> 00:20:21,960 make a big deal out of this every single day 396 00:20:22,000 --> 00:20:25,519 that if somebody uses this stuff they can get disqualified. 397 00:20:25,920 --> 00:20:27,839 Then this person uses it, well, then it's it's not 398 00:20:28,319 --> 00:20:31,160 a big issue. Yeah, you know it's it's or it 399 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:33,000 might be a talking point, but it's not as big 400 00:20:33,039 --> 00:20:35,079 of an issue as it was. I think the problem 401 00:20:35,160 --> 00:20:38,200 that a lot of people have is that it was 402 00:20:38,279 --> 00:20:41,799 made to be this is something you cannot do. They 403 00:20:41,839 --> 00:20:44,240 did it, and there was no one there to police it. 404 00:20:44,319 --> 00:20:46,880 Like you said, now, I don't necessarily know how you 405 00:20:46,920 --> 00:20:50,559 police this. That's a whole nother question. Like the first 406 00:20:50,960 --> 00:20:54,000 thing that needs to be solved or put on the 407 00:20:54,000 --> 00:20:57,880 books or addressed is what is the rule? 408 00:20:58,319 --> 00:20:58,400 Speaker 3: Like? 409 00:20:58,519 --> 00:20:59,240 Speaker 2: What is the rule? 410 00:20:59,279 --> 00:21:01,960 Speaker 1: And can we put some something down? Right? Because you 411 00:21:02,000 --> 00:21:04,079 and I have seen the WSP rules every single year. 412 00:21:04,119 --> 00:21:07,079 It seems like they either never get updated or get 413 00:21:07,160 --> 00:21:09,200 changed incorrectly, or they're kind of all over the place, 414 00:21:09,279 --> 00:21:11,279 right Like I feel like last year they had a 415 00:21:11,319 --> 00:21:13,880 rule for this this year wasn't actually on the rules 416 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:16,039 because they might have not updated it correctly, but they 417 00:21:16,039 --> 00:21:18,599 were still announcing something every morning. So it's very tricky there. 418 00:21:18,759 --> 00:21:20,559 So that's the first thing, get the rule down, whatever 419 00:21:20,599 --> 00:21:21,920 you want to say and how you want to act. 420 00:21:22,000 --> 00:21:24,240 The second part of that is, Okay, this is the rule, 421 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:29,839 how do we enforce it? And listen, there's thousands of 422 00:21:29,880 --> 00:21:33,640 people at the w SIP every single day playing poker tournaments, 423 00:21:33,680 --> 00:21:36,440 and you don't have thousands of tournament staff. You just 424 00:21:36,559 --> 00:21:40,440 don't so And then on top of that, do the 425 00:21:40,440 --> 00:21:44,079 tournament staff even know what they're looking for? That if 426 00:21:44,119 --> 00:21:47,920 you if tim, if you walk by me and you say, oh, hey, 427 00:21:47,920 --> 00:21:50,400 what was that? And I had gto wizard up for example, 428 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:52,759 or I had another solver up for example, and I 429 00:21:52,839 --> 00:21:55,160 quickly just close it, and you say, let me see 430 00:21:55,160 --> 00:21:56,920 your phone. I say, no, like, what what what are 431 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:57,400 we gonna do? 432 00:21:57,759 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 2: Like you know, if you just close the app, swap off, it's. 433 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:02,319 Speaker 1: I swipe up, I put my phone in my pocket. 434 00:22:02,359 --> 00:22:04,279 What are you gonna do physically take my phone? Okay, 435 00:22:04,279 --> 00:22:06,440 then I'm gonna sue you, like you know, so what 436 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:08,039 are you gonna do? Are you gonna are you gonna 437 00:22:08,039 --> 00:22:10,519 disqualify me or issue a one round penalty based on 438 00:22:10,559 --> 00:22:12,799 the fact that you think you saw something when like 439 00:22:12,839 --> 00:22:14,519 it could have been my stock chart that has a 440 00:22:14,559 --> 00:22:16,119 lot of red and green lines on it that look 441 00:22:16,200 --> 00:22:18,119 similar like you know, and you and I know that 442 00:22:18,240 --> 00:22:20,519 like a lot of people don't even use the solvers. 443 00:22:20,559 --> 00:22:23,599 They have custom Google sheets, So who knows what you're 444 00:22:23,599 --> 00:22:24,039 looking for? 445 00:22:24,160 --> 00:22:27,359 Speaker 3: I was gonna say that you can a just insert 446 00:22:27,400 --> 00:22:29,400 everything into a Google doc because you don't know what 447 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:32,200 a Google doc looks like. That's simple, right, doesn't look 448 00:22:32,240 --> 00:22:35,079 like gto was it? The other part is happy if 449 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:38,799 I'm playing against you. Right, let's say they're gonna enforce this, 450 00:22:38,839 --> 00:22:42,279 They're gonna give one round penalties automatic. I could just 451 00:22:42,680 --> 00:22:45,720 call the floor over and go, hey, flaw Donnie's using 452 00:22:45,839 --> 00:22:47,920 he was just using gto as a during his hand. 453 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:51,440 You could have been on Instagram, but you can't prove otherwise. 454 00:22:51,519 --> 00:22:53,000 And what the floor is now is gonna give you 455 00:22:53,119 --> 00:22:56,480 one like all the penalty. So it's such a sticky 456 00:22:57,599 --> 00:23:00,200 it's gonna be such a sticky area. I think, I 457 00:23:00,240 --> 00:23:01,880 think I know how we sho could do the rule, 458 00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,319 but like it's going to be a slippery slope. 459 00:23:04,920 --> 00:23:06,000 Speaker 1: Go ahead, what's your rule? 460 00:23:07,000 --> 00:23:09,640 Speaker 3: I would firstly, just no phones while you're in a 461 00:23:09,680 --> 00:23:12,079 hand while you have live cards. I think that's very simple. 462 00:23:12,480 --> 00:23:14,480 Speaker 1: Okay, that's a rule by the way, I know. 463 00:23:14,519 --> 00:23:17,000 Speaker 2: But like we can make it more in one. 464 00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,240 Speaker 1: Of the twenty dealers might say something to you because 465 00:23:19,279 --> 00:23:21,240 like oftentimes I'll be on my phone like between a 466 00:23:21,240 --> 00:23:23,559 hand and I'm usually I'm usually not doing anything other 467 00:23:23,599 --> 00:23:25,400 than I just write notes from like the pass hand 468 00:23:25,440 --> 00:23:28,920 that I played, and like, very very very seldom does 469 00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:30,599 a dealer say, sir, you get to put your phone 470 00:23:30,640 --> 00:23:33,880 down right or or they'll wait, they wait till the 471 00:23:33,920 --> 00:23:35,000 action gets on you. 472 00:23:35,119 --> 00:23:37,079 Speaker 2: Yeah, you could write that way too, or it's in. 473 00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:38,759 Speaker 1: Front of me, but I might be on the button, 474 00:23:38,839 --> 00:23:40,640 so you know, a bunch of people have to act 475 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:42,640 before me. By time it gets to me, I could 476 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:43,799 be doing a lot of different stuff. 477 00:23:43,839 --> 00:23:46,200 Speaker 3: So I would try and make that more enforcible, and 478 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,400 then I would probably make a pretty strong rule that 479 00:23:48,480 --> 00:23:50,240 if you are caught, you know. 480 00:23:50,279 --> 00:23:51,799 Speaker 2: That's the thing. Where do they want to draw the 481 00:23:51,839 --> 00:23:53,519 line on these aids? 482 00:23:53,559 --> 00:23:56,599 Speaker 3: Are they okay with players using it in the right 483 00:23:56,640 --> 00:23:58,599 manner or they don't want them on property at all? 484 00:23:58,920 --> 00:24:01,559 Because I they're okay with your amusing it. So you 485 00:24:01,599 --> 00:24:04,400 should maybe say you should have the rule where you 486 00:24:04,400 --> 00:24:09,480 know you cannot be on like this, like name the apps. 487 00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:12,799 You know you can even use Google Ducks while sitting 488 00:24:12,839 --> 00:24:15,240 at the poke table, so if you want to use it, 489 00:24:15,279 --> 00:24:16,680 you have to step away. And if you step away, 490 00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:19,240 that means your hands dead. So it kind of satisfies 491 00:24:19,279 --> 00:24:23,680 two things. I don't know if that's enough. Like you said, 492 00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,599 we have to basically force the dealers to make sure 493 00:24:26,640 --> 00:24:28,680 people aren't on the phones. But you're right, when you're 494 00:24:28,680 --> 00:24:31,160 on the button and I'm setting a text, I'm going 495 00:24:31,200 --> 00:24:32,519 to send the text until it's on me. 496 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:34,680 Speaker 2: Is that okay? No? 497 00:24:34,799 --> 00:24:38,079 Speaker 3: Probably not, But the dealer's got so much going on 498 00:24:38,119 --> 00:24:39,680 them they might not be able to police it. And 499 00:24:39,720 --> 00:24:41,359 it's also you probably need to educate a lot of 500 00:24:41,359 --> 00:24:43,759 the tds. You got to educate the tds. Okay, this 501 00:24:43,799 --> 00:24:46,000 is what a chart looks like. These are some of 502 00:24:46,039 --> 00:24:48,200 the different apps. Here are some screenshots. Put it in 503 00:24:48,200 --> 00:24:51,640 a little pdf that sits up on the TD podium, 504 00:24:51,680 --> 00:24:54,559 and and do your best to try and kind of 505 00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:56,000 police this. 506 00:24:56,559 --> 00:24:58,799 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean my I got two things to say. 507 00:24:58,799 --> 00:25:02,559 One is that like, well, I think probably that some 508 00:25:02,599 --> 00:25:05,599 sort of no phone policy or like you have to 509 00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:08,000 like the phone gets cut off or whatever has to happen, 510 00:25:08,039 --> 00:25:11,400 because for example, like I might just what if I 511 00:25:11,519 --> 00:25:15,400 just text somebody, Hey, I got fifteen big bonds on 512 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:17,599 the button, can you give me the range? Now, I 513 00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:19,960 have a lot of really really fucking smart poker friends 514 00:25:19,960 --> 00:25:22,400 who might just be able to rip off the answer right, 515 00:25:22,839 --> 00:25:25,039 you know, or they can quickly run it for me 516 00:25:25,079 --> 00:25:27,839 and send me back the answer like that's that's a workaround, 517 00:25:27,920 --> 00:25:30,160 is what I'm saying. So like, but I'm just looking 518 00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:31,960 so if you see me just texting, like how you 519 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,279 gonna know? Like so that that's where like the no 520 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:37,160 phone thing would come into play. That tim is mentioning. 521 00:25:37,200 --> 00:25:38,920 The second thing that I would say is you know, 522 00:25:38,960 --> 00:25:43,559 on the enforcement, I might even like I might have 523 00:25:43,799 --> 00:25:48,519 people that were specifically enlisted to just look out for 524 00:25:48,599 --> 00:25:52,440 this stuff, and I would have them look like undercover cops. 525 00:25:52,559 --> 00:25:55,000 They would look like every other freaking poker player at 526 00:25:55,039 --> 00:25:58,400 the place, wearing a hoodie some shorts, just roaming around 527 00:25:58,680 --> 00:26:00,440 the tournament room day. 528 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:02,160 Speaker 2: Is around though, unless you have a media badge, like 529 00:26:02,519 --> 00:26:03,079 it would. 530 00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:04,279 Speaker 1: Give them media badges. 531 00:26:04,440 --> 00:26:06,720 Speaker 2: I don't know half the. 532 00:26:06,680 --> 00:26:09,759 Speaker 1: Media that are there either, do you? We never know, right, 533 00:26:10,839 --> 00:26:12,519 Like that's I think that's like how you have to 534 00:26:12,559 --> 00:26:16,200 catch people like, you know, I mean a lot of 535 00:26:16,200 --> 00:26:18,480 people like they'll just like, oh, they'll look around, Okay, 536 00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:20,720 there's no TD in the vicinity. I'll just quickly check 537 00:26:20,759 --> 00:26:23,400 something boom like move on, you know. Like So yeah, 538 00:26:23,519 --> 00:26:27,400 it's it's very tricky. It is very tricky. So I'm 539 00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,079 not sure I have any sort of answers at this time. 540 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,400 I think this is like, this is probably one of 541 00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:35,319 those things where I would just rather let somebody else 542 00:26:35,319 --> 00:26:37,480 try and make the answers and then I'll critique the 543 00:26:37,519 --> 00:26:42,839 answers afterwards. But yeah, I mean I don't It's it's 544 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:47,559 gonna be hard. I I hate that, you know, coming 545 00:26:47,599 --> 00:26:49,279 out of the w SP. This was all that was 546 00:26:49,279 --> 00:26:53,000 talked about, and it was really overshadowing Jonathan Tomios's achievement 547 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:57,759 because I don't think it gave him a big edge 548 00:26:57,920 --> 00:26:59,559 in the fact that, like he was like, this was 549 00:26:59,559 --> 00:27:02,039 like an it or break it for him, right, I 550 00:27:02,079 --> 00:27:05,000 mean I think I think it would have been a 551 00:27:05,039 --> 00:27:07,400 bigger edge, like if he were to have like a 552 00:27:07,599 --> 00:27:09,599 and I use this example when I talked to Matt 553 00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:12,160 Savage the other day, but like a Sean Deep, Like 554 00:27:12,200 --> 00:27:14,240 if I had Sean Deep in my corner and I 555 00:27:14,279 --> 00:27:16,359 was able to just go over to Sean and say, Hey, Sean, 556 00:27:16,680 --> 00:27:19,039 this is what's happening at the table, and Sean, being 557 00:27:19,079 --> 00:27:21,279 the tournament expert that he is, be like, Okay, this 558 00:27:21,279 --> 00:27:22,720 is how you're gonna adjust, this is what you're gonna do. 559 00:27:22,759 --> 00:27:24,880 This is what you're gonna do, versus you sticking a 560 00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,720 chart in my face and like me trying to be 561 00:27:27,799 --> 00:27:29,519 able to like memorize that chart and then put it 562 00:27:29,519 --> 00:27:33,720 into action right away. Like I I do a lot 563 00:27:33,720 --> 00:27:36,519 of study, and I try and review charts and solvers 564 00:27:36,519 --> 00:27:38,319 and all that sort of stuff and understand the theory, 565 00:27:38,519 --> 00:27:40,799 but I don't do it like thirty seconds between a 566 00:27:40,839 --> 00:27:42,880 hand I do it, like, you know, in a couple 567 00:27:43,000 --> 00:27:45,680 hours at night time to prepare for my plane. So like, 568 00:27:45,720 --> 00:27:48,400 I don't know if me looking at something in real 569 00:27:48,440 --> 00:27:51,599 time that sort of way would benefit me versus like 570 00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:53,799 if I was able to go over to somebody as 571 00:27:53,839 --> 00:27:55,519 good as Sean Deep and be like, hey, this is 572 00:27:55,559 --> 00:27:57,279 what's happening, this is what I'm seeing. How do I 573 00:27:57,359 --> 00:27:59,119 react in the moment, and he could just give me 574 00:27:59,119 --> 00:28:01,759 the answers right away I could instantly put into play. 575 00:28:01,920 --> 00:28:03,839 So then then then it brings up the question like 576 00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:07,559 do we outlock coaching in general? And so it's yeah, 577 00:28:07,559 --> 00:28:11,039 I know you're here, like you don't you don't know. 578 00:28:11,240 --> 00:28:15,680 It's it's really it's it's weird. I mean I also 579 00:28:15,720 --> 00:28:19,400 think that there's a bit of like people are getting 580 00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:21,519 too far ahead of themselves saying that like this is 581 00:28:21,559 --> 00:28:24,000 going to have a really big effect on getting new 582 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,599 people into the game. I mean, I don't know, man, 583 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:30,960 I mean there's there's always been you know, advantage play 584 00:28:31,039 --> 00:28:33,079 and cheating and this and that and the other thing, 585 00:28:33,200 --> 00:28:35,680 and the fields only seem like they're getting larger. So 586 00:28:35,880 --> 00:28:39,359 like it's like it's like, what what effect is this 587 00:28:39,400 --> 00:28:41,200 really going to have or like you know, hundreds, if 588 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:42,680 not thousands of people going to just be like, no, 589 00:28:42,759 --> 00:28:45,160 I'm not playing because these guys might be using their solvers, 590 00:28:45,160 --> 00:28:45,279 like I. 591 00:28:45,519 --> 00:28:47,480 Speaker 3: Can't change anything with the field. And I was like, oh, 592 00:28:47,519 --> 00:28:49,880 I don't know, maybe I'll not play the ten game 593 00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:51,640 an event to see because someone's going to rock up 594 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:55,119 with you know, a computer and then happeny if you're 595 00:28:55,119 --> 00:28:59,000 playing online at the table with your laptop like this 596 00:28:59,079 --> 00:29:02,000 is wsp Evans added thirty Bracelet events to See Online 597 00:29:02,359 --> 00:29:04,039 could be forty next year, it could be fifty the 598 00:29:04,160 --> 00:29:07,440 year after if gg's involved. So it's something going to 599 00:29:07,480 --> 00:29:10,359 get something going to get worse. Maybe it's better just 600 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:12,200 to accept it or welcome it. 601 00:29:13,000 --> 00:29:16,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, So I don't really know any sort of answers here. 602 00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:20,519 Have there been any discussions with you, Like, I know 603 00:29:20,559 --> 00:29:22,480 you just went down to Texas, Like was it a 604 00:29:22,599 --> 00:29:24,720 discussion down there at all? Or I know you're always 605 00:29:24,759 --> 00:29:27,599 talking to the ARIA Poker staff over running who are 606 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,039 running the PGT events, Like has this been brought up 607 00:29:30,039 --> 00:29:32,279 at all on your conversations? Like is there anything there? 608 00:29:32,799 --> 00:29:33,279 Speaker 2: Nothing yet? 609 00:29:33,359 --> 00:29:35,640 Speaker 3: I mean there's been some stuff on social you know, 610 00:29:35,680 --> 00:29:37,839 we take phones at the final tables for our events. 611 00:29:37,880 --> 00:29:39,640 We started doing it this year for the World Series 612 00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,440 for the first time. That's more just a production decision 613 00:29:42,440 --> 00:29:43,359 because we wanted to look. 614 00:29:43,200 --> 00:29:43,720 Speaker 2: A bit better. 615 00:29:45,440 --> 00:29:48,039 Speaker 3: But yeah, nothing, I don't think it's on us to 616 00:29:48,160 --> 00:29:52,480 kind of do anything about it. I think everyone has 617 00:29:52,559 --> 00:29:57,079 access equal access to all these tools, right, Like you 618 00:29:57,119 --> 00:29:58,640 said you can use gto was it. 619 00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:00,000 Speaker 2: I could also use gto was it. 620 00:30:00,480 --> 00:30:03,519 Speaker 3: You know, like it's it's not unfair that you can 621 00:30:03,599 --> 00:30:05,440 use it because I still have the same access as you. 622 00:30:06,079 --> 00:30:10,119 So I'm not really against against it, to be honest. 623 00:30:11,839 --> 00:30:14,640 But yeah, I guess we'll see. I guess we'll hopefully 624 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,960 see what WSP want to say about everything. 625 00:30:19,319 --> 00:30:21,359 Speaker 1: Yeah, a part of me also says that, you know, 626 00:30:23,119 --> 00:30:24,480 and I say a part of me because I'm not 627 00:30:24,480 --> 00:30:27,200 sure I'm totally sold on it, But like, should should 628 00:30:27,200 --> 00:30:29,759 they be addressing this? Should they have released a statement 629 00:30:29,799 --> 00:30:30,160 on it? 630 00:30:30,480 --> 00:30:32,240 Speaker 3: You know, not that I don't think they need to 631 00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:35,559 address it until Europe WSP Europe, And I'm not sure 632 00:30:35,559 --> 00:30:38,920 if those rules follow under THEIRS or under King's Casino 633 00:30:39,319 --> 00:30:40,839 and then also then Paradise. 634 00:30:42,160 --> 00:30:44,400 Speaker 1: But I'm saying like just even like, hey, we're aware 635 00:30:44,440 --> 00:30:46,680 that this is a situation. You know, it's something that 636 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:50,119 we're going to be looking strongly at for for next 637 00:30:50,200 --> 00:30:52,480 year's World SERI as a poker, like blah blah blah, 638 00:30:52,519 --> 00:30:55,000 you know, like we don't want to take it. Like essentially, 639 00:30:55,319 --> 00:30:57,440 why I would why I would suggest doing this, And 640 00:30:57,599 --> 00:31:00,200 again I'm not totally sold on actually doing this. It 641 00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:01,839 was just thought that popped in my mind. But like 642 00:31:02,079 --> 00:31:06,400 trying to steer the conversation back to Tomayo winning the 643 00:31:06,440 --> 00:31:09,160 biggest event in the world, becoming world champion like that, 644 00:31:09,359 --> 00:31:12,119 like they should want the conversation to be that, Like 645 00:31:12,160 --> 00:31:14,240 how do you get the conversation back to be that, 646 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:16,640 you know, like or maybe it's not a statement. Maybe 647 00:31:16,640 --> 00:31:19,200 it's just like some sort of media blitz involving Tomayo, 648 00:31:19,319 --> 00:31:21,920 like get him on a YouTube stream, get him out 649 00:31:21,920 --> 00:31:24,039 there like like whatever it is, like you know, do 650 00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,680 interviews for him, put him on the website. I don't know, 651 00:31:26,759 --> 00:31:29,920 but like try and get the conversation off of what 652 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:32,319 was you know, for two weeks or three weeks or 653 00:31:32,359 --> 00:31:35,440 whatever laptop get'm I still see stuff now, like you know, 654 00:31:35,559 --> 00:31:38,279 so it's like try and get the conversation back over 655 00:31:38,319 --> 00:31:43,000 to like this crowning achievement in poker. So yeah, we've 656 00:31:43,079 --> 00:31:46,200 run out of time, unfortunately awesome, but what are we 657 00:31:46,240 --> 00:31:49,079 gonna do. We'll figure out what to do for these 658 00:31:49,160 --> 00:31:52,799 next bunch of topics. But it was good to get 659 00:31:52,839 --> 00:31:55,559 on the horn here with him pick his brain about 660 00:31:55,559 --> 00:31:59,720 at least the two biggest news items or topics discussion 661 00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,519 points that were coming out of the World Series of Poker. 662 00:32:03,559 --> 00:32:05,279 Tim is back in Vegas right now, but I think 663 00:32:05,279 --> 00:32:06,720 he's leaving soon right where. 664 00:32:06,519 --> 00:32:10,200 Speaker 2: You Wednesday morning? So two days Wednesday morning, all right, 665 00:32:10,319 --> 00:32:12,480 we're trying to record tomorrow if you really want. 666 00:32:12,880 --> 00:32:13,720 Speaker 1: I do really want to. 667 00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,000 Speaker 3: I want to, and let's try and do it tomorrow, 668 00:32:16,039 --> 00:32:19,000 double back to back episodes for the for the people 669 00:32:19,039 --> 00:32:19,759 out there. I love that. 670 00:32:19,880 --> 00:32:21,559 Speaker 1: I mean, we can space out the release states. So 671 00:32:21,559 --> 00:32:23,480 that's not that's not the end of the world there. 672 00:32:23,519 --> 00:32:25,240 But you know, just being able to find time to 673 00:32:25,319 --> 00:32:28,880 record is of course not the not the easiest thing 674 00:32:28,920 --> 00:32:30,759 to do when we're not just you know, shacked up 675 00:32:30,799 --> 00:32:32,920 at the horseshop and I can just say like, hey, 676 00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,119 let's go youss Yes. 677 00:32:34,960 --> 00:32:35,039 Speaker 3: I. 678 00:32:37,119 --> 00:32:41,160 Speaker 1: Bring Yes, I miss it, come on, it's the best. 679 00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:41,680 Speaker 2: Yes. 680 00:32:42,319 --> 00:32:44,839 Speaker 1: I always can't wait for it to come I'm always 681 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:46,839 surprised that it's here as fast as it's here, and 682 00:32:46,839 --> 00:32:49,160 then I'm always like, damn, can we go back, Like 683 00:32:49,279 --> 00:32:51,400 even like day fifty. I know we're all burned out 684 00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,200 and we're ready to go home whatever, but it's like, no, 685 00:32:53,359 --> 00:32:57,240 I want to go back. Yeah, all right, that's going 686 00:32:57,319 --> 00:32:58,799 to do it for us. My name is Donny Peters, 687 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:02,680 his name is Duckworth, and we'll talk to you guys later, So. 688 00:33:02,799 --> 00:33:04,079 Speaker 3: Yeah, night. 689 00:33:06,480 --> 00:33:13,799 Speaker 2: Jenny Express