Speaker 1: Hello, everyone, Welcome back to a new episode of the
Poker Go Podcast. My name is Donny Peters. Tim is back. Finally,
Tim Duckworth is in in the I don't know what
do you call it the shotguns? I don't know whatever.
Speaker 2: I'm in the flesh.
Speaker 1: You really are in the flesh, because I mean not
that we do a video podcast, but you are sitting
there with no shirt on, which is weird. But whatever,
here's the deal. We have a lot of things to
talk about. I don't know if we're going to get
to them all because we only have about thirty minutes
before I have to go jumping in another meeting. But
I want to kick this one off. It's not on
the rundown with a family pot, so play the damn jingle,
all right, So listen, this isn't necessarily a family pot
I mean it kind of is. I'm I'm making it
like that because I had to take my kids to
the doctor. Listen these f in doctors. Okay, my appointment
is scheduled for nine o'clock. I show up at eight
forty five because I like to be early and whatever.
The door isn't even unlocked. What the f okay problem?
Number one, like, it's nine o'clock. Can we figure this out?
You think people should be open at seven o'clock? Like,
this is not We don't have time to nine o'clock.
Nine o'clock. The door is unlocked. What are we doing here?
Second of all, okay, I get in there. I gotta
do whatever. The lady's like, she's like, I need your
insurance card and your ID. I'm like, I don't have
my insurance card. She's like, well, new policy, we can't
see you. I'm like, it's the same insurance card it's
been for the last three years. Okay, Like, how is
this hard? Isn't it on file? She's giving me the
run around. I'm like okay, I'm like whatever, I'll bring
it next time, Like, can you just figure this out?
It's the same one. So then we have that issue.
Then they finally get me in there. I get back
there at nine to ten. I wait untill nine forty
eight to see the freaking doctor. This shit is unbelievable, man, unbelievable.
The kids are screaming their heads off, like I can't
feed the youngest one because he needs to take shots today.
Because this is one year check up. It's just a
freaking disaster. Can people just be on time and when
your door is locked? Okay? And I'm standing outside of
the door with me and another guy. It was me
and another guy. He's got his son, I got my
two kids. We are the only people there, the only
people there. Okay, So you have two appointments. Why does
it take forty eight minutes to see me? Why that
is unreal? And I'm pissed and I'm hot, I haven't
had my coffee. I gotta do this podcast. The whole
day is screwed up. I'm so f and mad. It's unbelievable.
It's unbelievable, Tim, unbelievable. Okay, let's talk about actual stuff
on today's show. Okay, on today's show, w has to
Be got sold for half a billion dollars, five hundred
million dollars. Got to get our thoughts on laptop eight
because Tim and I haven't been on these airways together
since the WSOP WSP Paradise is back. We got Scott
seever winning Player of the Year. We got Patrick Antonius
in the Hall of Fame. We got to hit on
the PGT leaderboard because we are getting into the second
half of the season, pretty pretty pretty soon, Tim's going
to be on a jet over to Cyprus, and that
is where a super high rollable, super high rollable series,
whatever we're calling it, is taking off again. I don't
know if we're going to get to all these topics today.
If we don't get to any, we'll try and hit
on them at a future show.
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the big news that dropped on August. First, the WSP
is sold. The brand gets sold for five hundred million dollars.
So the parent company of GG Poker, which is listed
as ns US Group, which people have told us is
pronounced answers. Which chance people keep saying that to me.
Multiple people have all said that to me. It's pronounced answers,
So I don't know. I'm just gonna say Ensis because
that's what it looks like to me, you know, just
like you say WOSOP, I'm going to say Ensis. So
the wosop got sold to Ensis. So Ensis Group is
it's the parent company of GG Poker, So this is
essentially GG Poker buying the WSP. They acquired the the
WSP for five hundred million dollars. To first two hundred
and fifty million of that is going to be cold
hard cash, baby, and then the the next two hundred
and fifty million is due. I think it's due within
five years in a note or whatever, So that will
be to come. If you guys want to flashback twenty years.
Caesar's originally purchased the ws AP in two thousand and four.
That was when Caesar's was still or previously known as
Hare's Entertainment. They moved it from Benion's Horseshoe over to
the Rio, and that's when you know it came in
all of our lives. You know, all the people Tim
and I who are in poker these days. That's pretty
much when we remember it, you know, we remember it
at the Rio and growing from there. Just some keynotes
from the press release that was sent out again on
August first, so you know, just under two weeks ago,
says Caesars has secured the right from ENSIS to continue
hosting ws AP's flagship live tournament series at its Las
Vegas casinos for the next twenty years. So for anyone
freaking out, oh my god, the divasipy is gonna move,
that tells us right there, it's staying in Vegas for
twenty years. And then it says Caesar's Digital will also
receive a license from ENSIS to continue operating it's recently
upgraded WSP online real money poker business in Nevada, New Jersey, Michigan,
and Pennsylvania for the foreseeable future. I guess first question
for you, were you surprised when this news had dropped,
because let me preface that by saying that we had
heard this for a while, right this was possibly coming
down the pipeline. It had been in the works for
a long time.
Speaker 2: You know.
Speaker 1: At times that you know, we had been told like
it's a done deal. Other times it's like it's probably
not going to happen. So it was kind of all
over the place, but it kind of dropped on us,
I would say, out of the blue a little bit.
So were you surprised that it was announced?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 3: Surprising two ways. Firstly, the date seems as a little
weird August. First, why not do it during the World
Series or do it you know, it just seems like
a dead dead time, you know, a week after the
World Series has ended. I was surprised because, like you said,
we've heard oh it's done, it's not done. We're nowhere near,
We're nearly there, and the most recent thing we had
heard was you know, we weren't close. So that was
a little bit of a surprise to me.
Speaker 2: Definitely.
Speaker 1: It's been almost two weeks, as I said, since that
news was dropped. You know, what are your initial thoughts
just I mean anything empty canvas? Tell me what you
tell me what you're thinking or what you have been
thinking for two weeks. Uh.
Speaker 3: I'm hoping it's good for the WSP brand. Now when
I'm saying that, I'm talking about more online qualifiers. Obviously
Gigpoker is doing a lot already, but now that they're
legitimately invested. Maybe we see an influx in online qualifiers,
not just the main event, but throughout the whole series.
I'm wondering what this brings for the online client down
the road. I know there's some stuff still, some contracts
still involved with I believe Triple eight for WSP dot com.
But you know, that could be very interesting to see
how that develops from outside of things. Who knows, We'll
see what happens with how they want to handle production,
how they want to handle streaming, et cetera. But I
think just for WSP, I think for the players, you know,
the greater public, I think this is probably a pretty
good thing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would agree. I think overall it's going to
be a good thing for the w SP brand. I
think it's a good thing for w CP dot com
online poker, and I also think it's a good thing
for online poker in general as it pertains to the
United States. I mean, we know what GG poker has
done in the rest of world market and how big
they've grown, and how you know, incredible their product is.
You know, from a user experience standpoint, the series that
they put on all the time. You know, they obviously
have the the online bracelet events. They have big circuit events,
all that sort of stuff. They have GG millions, et cetera,
et cetera. So I think it's going to take a
little bit of time for the online stuff to get
into the US, but I think it's coming. You know,
I think that this was if I'm going to steal
a line from Nick Jones of Poker Fuse slash Poker
Industry Pro, who is as tapped into this stuff as
anyone in the industry. You can follow him on Twitter
at at poker pro Jones. He said, this isn't the
first step. This is the step to gig getting the
into the US, and what that means is listen GG poker.
They they've tried, I think at times, I think I
believe to get some licenses in the various states, but
haven't worked out. Haven't really been able to get any
licenses or anything like that. This solves all of that.
You can call it a work around whatever you want
to do. But because they acquire the WSOP brand, and
then because they then licensed wsp dot com back to
Caesar's Digital to then operate it, that's like their de
facto lif They're latching on to Caesar's and wysip this way. Now,
you brought up the eighty eight deal, which through all
the reporting that I've seen, I think it's twenty twenty
six when that's over with. So I would assume that
when twenty twenty six happens, that contract would end, GG
poker would come in. This gives GG poker to kind
of ramp things up. They can get any sort of
manufacturer or or platform licenses that they need to, which
they've already done in a couple of states. I think
Pennsylvania and Michigan. They're on the books for those. So
like that stuff I think is eventually coming. So in
the interim, you know, the upgraded dissip dot com software
that a lot of us are playing right now here
in the States is is good. You know, it's it's
better than it was, for sure. But I think it's
kind of that in between, and I think, well, eventually
we'll get more of a GG poker product. I know
that GG poker representatives have said that they're essentially and
I'm you know, I'm kind of paraphrasing this, but you know,
taking the bull by the horns in terms of the
US market, that the current operators here aren't really doing
what needs to be done to push online poker in
the way that it needs to go. And GG Poker
seems like they really want to do that. They really
want to push for legislation, get this thing opened up
in new states, maybe lobby to have the shared liquidity
among states, have that grow as well. So it seems
like all signs are pointing to very positive results from this.
It's just a matter of when it all comes down
and then as it pertains to the live WSIP, I
don't I don't really know what's going to happen.
Speaker 3: I don't think you'd change the actual WSP that much, right, Look,
and I think we'll see a crazy different schedule. I
don't think we'll see these dramatic changes. I feel like
we may see more stuff internationally, you know, like we
added Paradise, maybe we add now the gg's involved and
it is based in you know, Korea slash Canada.
Speaker 2: May see some more.
Speaker 3: You know, circuit events encountera We may see you know,
WSOP Macaw, WSOP Asia Pacific could come back, like, we
may see some more alliterations of the brand outside of
the USA.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but don't you think that like in the States,
the flagship WSP we're talking about in the summer those
seven weeks, you know, like in my opinion, that needs
to be modernized. Like how I mean, I don't know,
It's it's very like I think even though they have
like quote unquote modernized some things, like let's say the
Bravo sign ups, you know, like even that is pretty janky.
I mean, like it's pretty like now, Like what I'm
saying is like, can we get the WSP plus app
in here?
Speaker 3: Didn't I see something on Twitter this week that that's
coming for next year.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I've seen and I've heard that. But like that's
all well and good, but like we also know how
Nevada regulators can be, Like like, so, is that is
that gonna get hung up somewhere the regulation or is
this deal then allow that to get pushed through much faster?
I don't know. I'm just asking those questions. I would
love to have that that wasb plus app here live
in Nevada. That would be great, you know, And then
what does that do for like Bravo being involved and
how they're all tied into everything through the tournament sign ups,
through the registration through through all that sort of stuff.
Speaker 2: Exactly.
Speaker 1: It's like what we don't know the ins and outs
of all of that sort of stuff. So I think
eventually all of this stuff is coming, you know, to
the live arena, just as it is coming to the
online arena. It's just a matter of when is it coming? Right?
You know, like is it going to be better? Like
is the WSP going to look more like PCA look
used to look down in the Bahamas?
Speaker 2: You know?
Speaker 1: Are they going to really ramp up the branding all
that sort of stuff now that GG poker is involved
and you know, they're certainly, at least from my view,
seem to be much more willing to spend on marketing
and promotion and aesthetics and all that sort of stuff.
So is that all coming? You know, they've obviously been
involved as a sponsor. Recently they've done an event that
you know, the flip and go right. Are we going
to see more GG poker type of events? You know,
not that they're like complete gimmicks, but like I don't know,
stuff that they take from their online world and then
put it in. Do we see more mystery bounties stuff
like that? You know, Like because Obviously, mystery bownties are
a big thing and online. Do we see more of them?
Given the success of the million dollar bounty at the
WSP do we see a couple more of them? I
don't know, you know, these are all questions. I think overall,
it's going to be a good thing and we'll see,
you know, we'll see how it goes. But yeah, I
think this is kind of like, this is obviously huge news, yes,
you know, and it's it's massive, but there's still much
more to come from it. So I think it's going
to kind of be like a wait and see, we'll
see if anything comes for twenty twenty five, and then
going forward, I would assume that they're probably gonna announce
things as they get as they come, you know, like
if the WSP plus app gets approved or whatever. I
think that would be a good announcement, you know. Yeah,
that's just you know, it's another news item to hit on.
It's another thing that that you know, points everything in
the in the right direction. So that's the big w
CP sale. I mean, Caesar's made out pretty well with this.
I feel like, I mean they bought it for I
want to say, fifty million or something. I don't even
know it was. I remember like talking to people about
that sale that happened back in two thousand and four,
and it was like the Douvaspy was thought of as
like an afterthought in this deal for these other things.
They end up keeping this this you know, this brand,
the World Series of Poker, and they grow it to
what it is, they're now able to flip it for
five hundred million, and then not only that, they get
to keep the flagship version, and you know, are they
going to get raked from that? How is that all
going to work out? Of course we're not privy to
those details, but I'm assuming they're going to be able
to generate some money. They're just not going to put
the thing on for free, right, so they have to
have some skin in the game. So I think all
in all, they made out pretty darn good from this thing,
and then we'll see what happens on the GG Poker
side of things. I think it's all going to be
positive at the end of the day. Yes, but we
just don't know exactly how they're going to take it
and implement it differently than what they have been because
it's not like they haven't had access is kind of
what I'm getting at. They've had basically the license to
do whatever they wanted internationally. They've obviously had the online bracelets,
online circuit stuff, you know, whatever it may be. So
I'm curious to see what all comes of it. And yeah,
really really really big news there the other big item
coming out of the WSP laptop gate Buddy so Dominic
Niche and Joe McKean, if you guys have been living
under a rock, they appear to have been watching the
stream while also running SIMS on a laptop on the
final table rail to help Jonathan Tamayo, who went on
to win the twenty twenty four at WSP Main event. Now,
nothing to my knowledge happened during the final table. There
was no complaints that I'm aware of. No tournament staff
intervened at all to my knowledge. So first up, general thoughts.
The word I think that a lot of people have
been throwing around a lot greatly or wrongly is cheating.
So was this cheating?
Speaker 3: Well, if you follow the Dictionary definition of cheating, yes,
they were cheating because it's acting dishonestly or you know,
unfairly to gain an advantage. They were definitely gaining an
advantage by using whether it was gto, was it octupy, whatever,
the product they were using to gain or learn was
to gain advantage. So by the textbook definition of cheating, Yes, However,
do I want to call them cheats? I don't know, man,
because anyone at that final table could have done the
same thing. It's been done throughout the whole World Series.
There are videos that are on Twitter. There are photos
of people using charts while sitting at a table with
or without cards, And I think this kind of falls
back on how do we police this? And not only
how do we police the use of these aids, is
who polices it? And I think that's the bigger the
bigger issue here. Am I upset that Jonathan Tomato had
people in his on his rail that we're helping him,
you know, learn about the other players know because it's
you're trying to win ten million dollars. So I don't
think that's I don't really see a problem with that. Now,
you know, the other players at the final table could
have done the same thing. Just the fact that he
did it, he was the only one doing it that
we know of, and that he won, just makes it
look worse. But yeah, I push that to the side
and I want to focus more on what the rule
should be and how should they be enforced, because I
think that matters more than people, you know, trying to
get better, because at the end of the day, this
is their job, right you're trying to do You're trying
to use something to be better at your job, just
like you and me use maybe we use a particular
email program or a particular remind is that to be
more efficient in our job.
Speaker 2: This is a similar kind of thing. It just it's
just looks a little different.
Speaker 1: Why this became such a big issue is because in
this specific instance, this was the dibsip the DOVASIPY talked
to the talk and they did not walk the walk.
They made a big deal. Every single day there was
an announcement if you're caught using any of these devices,
any solvers, et cetera, you risk getting banned from the tournament,
you know, disqualified, all that sort of stuff. There was
a lot of talk about it. I mean, we had
a call, what was it not before this series, but
last series, you know, with a whole bunch of home meeting,
tournament staff and WSB officials were involved there and like
this was a big thing, right, And why it became
an issue is because ultimately nothing was done and that
like if you if you come out with a rule
or you come out with something or whatever it may be,
you need to be prepared to then in force said ruling. Right,
That's where this became an issue because if they would
have enforced it, fine, like right, I mean, then that
we might be having a discussion like was the you know,
was the was the penalty you know rightly or justly applied?
Et cetera. On the other side of things, if you
don't come out and quote unquote talk the talk, like
make a big deal out of this every single day
that if somebody uses this stuff they can get disqualified.
Then this person uses it, well, then it's it's not
a big issue. Yeah, you know it's it's or it
might be a talking point, but it's not as big
of an issue as it was. I think the problem
that a lot of people have is that it was
made to be this is something you cannot do. They
did it, and there was no one there to police it.
Like you said, now, I don't necessarily know how you
police this. That's a whole nother question. Like the first
thing that needs to be solved or put on the
books or addressed is what is the rule?
Speaker 3: Like?
Speaker 2: What is the rule?
Speaker 1: And can we put some something down? Right? Because you
and I have seen the WSP rules every single year.
It seems like they either never get updated or get
changed incorrectly, or they're kind of all over the place,
right Like I feel like last year they had a
rule for this this year wasn't actually on the rules
because they might have not updated it correctly, but they
were still announcing something every morning. So it's very tricky there.
So that's the first thing, get the rule down, whatever
you want to say and how you want to act.
The second part of that is, Okay, this is the rule,
how do we enforce it? And listen, there's thousands of
people at the w SIP every single day playing poker tournaments,
and you don't have thousands of tournament staff. You just
don't so And then on top of that, do the
tournament staff even know what they're looking for? That if
you if tim, if you walk by me and you say, oh, hey,
what was that? And I had gto wizard up for example,
or I had another solver up for example, and I
quickly just close it, and you say, let me see
your phone. I say, no, like, what what what are
we gonna do?
Speaker 2: Like you know, if you just close the app, swap off, it's.
Speaker 1: I swipe up, I put my phone in my pocket.
What are you gonna do physically take my phone? Okay,
then I'm gonna sue you, like you know, so what
are you gonna do? Are you gonna are you gonna
disqualify me or issue a one round penalty based on
the fact that you think you saw something when like
it could have been my stock chart that has a
lot of red and green lines on it that look
similar like you know, and you and I know that
like a lot of people don't even use the solvers.
They have custom Google sheets, So who knows what you're
looking for?
Speaker 3: I was gonna say that you can a just insert
everything into a Google doc because you don't know what
a Google doc looks like. That's simple, right, doesn't look
like gto was it? The other part is happy if
I'm playing against you. Right, let's say they're gonna enforce this,
They're gonna give one round penalties automatic. I could just
call the floor over and go, hey, flaw Donnie's using
he was just using gto as a during his hand.
You could have been on Instagram, but you can't prove otherwise.
And what the floor is now is gonna give you
one like all the penalty. So it's such a sticky
it's gonna be such a sticky area. I think, I
think I know how we sho could do the rule,
but like it's going to be a slippery slope.
Speaker 1: Go ahead, what's your rule?
Speaker 3: I would firstly, just no phones while you're in a
hand while you have live cards. I think that's very simple.
Speaker 1: Okay, that's a rule by the way, I know.
Speaker 2: But like we can make it more in one.
Speaker 1: Of the twenty dealers might say something to you because
like oftentimes I'll be on my phone like between a
hand and I'm usually I'm usually not doing anything other
than I just write notes from like the pass hand
that I played, and like, very very very seldom does
a dealer say, sir, you get to put your phone
down right or or they'll wait, they wait till the
action gets on you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you could write that way too, or it's in.
Speaker 1: Front of me, but I might be on the button,
so you know, a bunch of people have to act
before me. By time it gets to me, I could
be doing a lot of different stuff.
Speaker 3: So I would try and make that more enforcible, and
then I would probably make a pretty strong rule that
if you are caught, you know.
Speaker 2: That's the thing. Where do they want to draw the
line on these aids?
Speaker 3: Are they okay with players using it in the right
manner or they don't want them on property at all?
Because I they're okay with your amusing it. So you
should maybe say you should have the rule where you
know you cannot be on like this, like name the apps.
You know you can even use Google Ducks while sitting
at the poke table, so if you want to use it,
you have to step away. And if you step away,
that means your hands dead. So it kind of satisfies
two things. I don't know if that's enough. Like you said,
we have to basically force the dealers to make sure
people aren't on the phones. But you're right, when you're
on the button and I'm setting a text, I'm going
to send the text until it's on me.
Speaker 2: Is that okay? No?
Speaker 3: Probably not, But the dealer's got so much going on
them they might not be able to police it. And
it's also you probably need to educate a lot of
the tds. You got to educate the tds. Okay, this
is what a chart looks like. These are some of
the different apps. Here are some screenshots. Put it in
a little pdf that sits up on the TD podium,
and and do your best to try and kind of
police this.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean my I got two things to say.
One is that like, well, I think probably that some
sort of no phone policy or like you have to
like the phone gets cut off or whatever has to happen,
because for example, like I might just what if I
just text somebody, Hey, I got fifteen big bonds on
the button, can you give me the range? Now, I
have a lot of really really fucking smart poker friends
who might just be able to rip off the answer right,
you know, or they can quickly run it for me
and send me back the answer like that's that's a workaround,
is what I'm saying. So like, but I'm just looking
so if you see me just texting, like how you
gonna know? Like so that that's where like the no
phone thing would come into play. That tim is mentioning.
The second thing that I would say is you know,
on the enforcement, I might even like I might have
people that were specifically enlisted to just look out for
this stuff, and I would have them look like undercover cops.
They would look like every other freaking poker player at
the place, wearing a hoodie some shorts, just roaming around
the tournament room day.
Speaker 2: Is around though, unless you have a media badge, like
it would.
Speaker 1: Give them media badges.
Speaker 2: I don't know half the.
Speaker 1: Media that are there either, do you? We never know, right,
Like that's I think that's like how you have to
catch people like, you know, I mean a lot of
people like they'll just like, oh, they'll look around, Okay,
there's no TD in the vicinity. I'll just quickly check
something boom like move on, you know. Like So yeah,
it's it's very tricky. It is very tricky. So I'm
not sure I have any sort of answers at this time.
I think this is like, this is probably one of
those things where I would just rather let somebody else
try and make the answers and then I'll critique the
answers afterwards. But yeah, I mean I don't It's it's
gonna be hard. I I hate that, you know, coming
out of the w SP. This was all that was
talked about, and it was really overshadowing Jonathan Tomios's achievement
because I don't think it gave him a big edge
in the fact that, like he was like, this was
like an it or break it for him, right, I
mean I think I think it would have been a
bigger edge, like if he were to have like a
and I use this example when I talked to Matt
Savage the other day, but like a Sean Deep, Like
if I had Sean Deep in my corner and I
was able to just go over to Sean and say, Hey, Sean,
this is what's happening at the table, and Sean, being
the tournament expert that he is, be like, Okay, this
is how you're gonna adjust, this is what you're gonna do.
This is what you're gonna do, versus you sticking a
chart in my face and like me trying to be
able to like memorize that chart and then put it
into action right away. Like I I do a lot
of study, and I try and review charts and solvers
and all that sort of stuff and understand the theory,
but I don't do it like thirty seconds between a
hand I do it, like, you know, in a couple
hours at night time to prepare for my plane. So like,
I don't know if me looking at something in real
time that sort of way would benefit me versus like
if I was able to go over to somebody as
good as Sean Deep and be like, hey, this is
what's happening, this is what I'm seeing. How do I
react in the moment, and he could just give me
the answers right away I could instantly put into play.
So then then then it brings up the question like
do we outlock coaching in general? And so it's yeah,
I know you're here, like you don't you don't know.
It's it's really it's it's weird. I mean I also
think that there's a bit of like people are getting
too far ahead of themselves saying that like this is
going to have a really big effect on getting new
people into the game. I mean, I don't know, man,
I mean there's there's always been you know, advantage play
and cheating and this and that and the other thing,
and the fields only seem like they're getting larger. So
like it's like it's like, what what effect is this
really going to have or like you know, hundreds, if
not thousands of people going to just be like, no,
I'm not playing because these guys might be using their solvers,
like I.
Speaker 3: Can't change anything with the field. And I was like, oh,
I don't know, maybe I'll not play the ten game
an event to see because someone's going to rock up
with you know, a computer and then happeny if you're
playing online at the table with your laptop like this
is wsp Evans added thirty Bracelet events to See Online
could be forty next year, it could be fifty the
year after if gg's involved. So it's something going to
get something going to get worse. Maybe it's better just
to accept it or welcome it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I don't really know any sort of answers here.
Have there been any discussions with you, Like, I know
you just went down to Texas, Like was it a
discussion down there at all? Or I know you're always
talking to the ARIA Poker staff over running who are
running the PGT events, Like has this been brought up
at all on your conversations? Like is there anything there?
Speaker 2: Nothing yet?
Speaker 3: I mean there's been some stuff on social you know,
we take phones at the final tables for our events.
We started doing it this year for the World Series
for the first time. That's more just a production decision
because we wanted to look.
Speaker 2: A bit better.
Speaker 3: But yeah, nothing, I don't think it's on us to
kind of do anything about it. I think everyone has
access equal access to all these tools, right, Like you
said you can use gto was it.
Speaker 2: I could also use gto was it.
Speaker 3: You know, like it's it's not unfair that you can
use it because I still have the same access as you.
So I'm not really against against it, to be honest.
But yeah, I guess we'll see. I guess we'll hopefully
see what WSP want to say about everything.
Speaker 1: Yeah, a part of me also says that, you know,
and I say a part of me because I'm not
sure I'm totally sold on it, But like, should should
they be addressing this? Should they have released a statement
on it?
Speaker 3: You know, not that I don't think they need to
address it until Europe WSP Europe, And I'm not sure
if those rules follow under THEIRS or under King's Casino
and then also then Paradise.
Speaker 1: But I'm saying like just even like, hey, we're aware
that this is a situation. You know, it's something that
we're going to be looking strongly at for for next
year's World SERI as a poker, like blah blah blah,
you know, like we don't want to take it. Like essentially,
why I would why I would suggest doing this, And
again I'm not totally sold on actually doing this. It
was just thought that popped in my mind. But like
trying to steer the conversation back to Tomayo winning the
biggest event in the world, becoming world champion like that,
like they should want the conversation to be that, Like
how do you get the conversation back to be that,
you know, like or maybe it's not a statement. Maybe
it's just like some sort of media blitz involving Tomayo,
like get him on a YouTube stream, get him out
there like like whatever it is, like you know, do
interviews for him, put him on the website. I don't know,
but like try and get the conversation off of what
was you know, for two weeks or three weeks or
whatever laptop get'm I still see stuff now, like you know,
so it's like try and get the conversation back over
to like this crowning achievement in poker. So yeah, we've
run out of time, unfortunately awesome, but what are we
gonna do. We'll figure out what to do for these
next bunch of topics. But it was good to get
on the horn here with him pick his brain about
at least the two biggest news items or topics discussion
points that were coming out of the World Series of Poker.
Tim is back in Vegas right now, but I think
he's leaving soon right where.
Speaker 2: You Wednesday morning? So two days Wednesday morning, all right,
we're trying to record tomorrow if you really want.
Speaker 1: I do really want to.
Speaker 3: I want to, and let's try and do it tomorrow,
double back to back episodes for the for the people
out there. I love that.
Speaker 1: I mean, we can space out the release states. So
that's not that's not the end of the world there.
But you know, just being able to find time to
record is of course not the not the easiest thing
to do when we're not just you know, shacked up
at the horseshop and I can just say like, hey,
let's go youss Yes.
Speaker 3: I.
Speaker 1: Bring Yes, I miss it, come on, it's the best.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 1: I always can't wait for it to come I'm always
surprised that it's here as fast as it's here, and
then I'm always like, damn, can we go back, Like
even like day fifty. I know we're all burned out
and we're ready to go home whatever, but it's like, no,
I want to go back. Yeah, all right, that's going
to do it for us. My name is Donny Peters,
his name is Duckworth, and we'll talk to you guys later, So.
Speaker 3: Yeah, night.
Speaker 2: Jenny Express