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Speaker 2: Hello, ladies and gentlemen, Welcome back to the geek Verse podcast.

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I am one of your hosts, Pandora taylor Field, and

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Speaker 2: Sir, Yes, and we are here because this has just

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Netflix show. I am very much looking forward to this discussion.

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We are doing this in celebration for Daredevil Born Again

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that's gonna be dropping next year, because this is twenty

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Speaker 1: There you go.

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Speaker 2: But yeah, we're basically going to be reviewing season one, two,

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Speaker 1: And maybe Kyle. I don't know.

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I think maybe I'm misremembering that. But anyways, so there's

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Speaker 1: Before we get into it.

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Speaker 3: No, that's beautiful.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So, uh, have you watched anything else in this

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kind of like Netflix, Marvel Era or is this your

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first time getting your toes wet?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

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Speaker 4: I got like a little bit of exposure. I think

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I really like that show, and for whatever reason, I

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incentivizing me to check out some of those that I'm

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Speaker 3: Like maybe not so much Iron Fist.

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on discussion about it. And I know there's some people

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little interested what we think about it. But no, it's

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how like they're doing a really good job at making

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this now because we don't have to wait so long

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Speaker 4: It's it's funny too, like watching this and knowing that

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that they still like kind of I guess are like

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Speaker 4: Actually like still Marvel Universe, so it doesn't happen a lot,

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a good reminder of being like, oh yeah, this is

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like it's contained in Hell's Kitchen, but it's still you know,

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there's supposedly heroes out there, and now that we're having

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, but it's it's fantastic.

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lighting even though there was a lot of portions of

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it being dark. So that's really nice because if you

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look good, I feel like that would really take me

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Speaker 3: It's super super good show. I'm really really really digging it.

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Speaker 4: And yeah, really really liking the character Daredevil here and

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just seeing his kind of evolution and I'm excited to

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see where he goes in the next two seasons and

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what other characters we kind of meet along the way.

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really really do. He's fantastic. Matt Murdoch and now my

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I can't remember because he's not a murder in this

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in the season at least.

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Speaker 4: No.

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Speaker 3: He said he'll never go that far.

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Speaker 2: I'll never go that far. Yeah, but he like he's

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he does such a good job. He just gives me.

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He gives me like broke Bruce Wayne vibes and like

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this is the MCU's Batman. Itx like he just has

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that that vibe to him, And I like how.

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Speaker 1: This is just his his origin story.

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he was already gonna be full suit, just doing his

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thing running around.

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get the suit. I thought I thought he was just

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gonna be like the man in the the black mask

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covering like for the first little behalf of the episodes.

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we actually see him in the suit and yeah, it's

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a nice looking suit.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, no, it's a really really nice looking suit. But

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I'm with you.

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Speaker 2: I think when they had Karen Page be introduced and

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she was a victim, it was just a case for

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Foggy and Matt Murdoch, and I like how that kind

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of transitioned into her joining the team. I thought that

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was actually a really clever way of going about it

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that I like her character. I like that she kind

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of had her own narrative going on with ben Yurick's character,

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she was very interesting.

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Speaker 1: And when you're talking.

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Speaker 2: About heroes that exists in this universe, you can see

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and I'm sure everyone excuse me, jesus, I'm sure everyone

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already knows this, but you can see in his office

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the newspaper clippings in the back of his wall. You

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can see the Hulk from the movie The Incredible Hulk

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where it was like Hulk versus Abomination, and so you

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can see Hulk actually there having like.

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Speaker 1: Smashed up the city stuff like that.

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Speaker 2: But when you say you're wondering, like, oh, what event

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took place for probably the first this is gonna sound

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bad three to four episodes. I just assume that this

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took place after the Thanos snap and they're try like rebuilding.

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Then it clicks. It's like, oh, this is way off. No,

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we're not there yet.

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Speaker 4: This is like it must have been the Avengers, yes, right, yes,

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with Loki and everything, which is a big event.

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Speaker 2: Oh yeah, Aliens and and all that stuff.

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Speaker 1: So yeah.

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Speaker 2: But we get a few other characters that are introduced

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to and some are I guess gonna come back in

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future seasons, and I'm kind of steering just towards this

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one episode. This is kind of like one of the

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Middler episodes of the season. His name was Stick, and

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I get he was there to serve as kind of

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like that mentor introductory character to Daredevil, but then you.

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Speaker 1: Just have him killing this this.

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Speaker 2: Kid and then going off and then having him talk

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to one like another student or a pupil or some

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other boss man at the end of his episode, and

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then he's just gone after trashing apartment.

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Speaker 1: It was just kind of weird. Just I feel like

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I need a little.

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Speaker 2: Bit more just to because they're throwing in this sidelined

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storyline all of a sudden, right.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, no, that I was.

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Speaker 1: I don't know.

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Speaker 4: I was a little bit torn on that because I

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like the idea of this like another blind individual, like

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showing him like how to kick ass as a blind person,

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right like, like it's, uh, you threw me off. I

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like the Santa hat you're throwing on very festive, looks beautiful,

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and like I kind of just assumed it was going

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to go that route of like, yeah, he's he's kind

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of a little bit more extreme than like than the

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ways that Matt goes about it, and that's would kind

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of be like the the driving force that's uprates them,

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Like that's like the big difference between the two of them,

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Like Matt doesn't want to go to those extreme levels.

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And I mean it just it just seems like Stick

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is just fall on criminal right like like it like

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you just fall on doing criminal, criminal activities, even though

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he's like somewhat justifying it in uh in it being

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I don't know the right thing to do for Yeah.

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Speaker 2: His lime boy hands you a ice cream wrapper bracelet

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he made and just crumples it up.

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Speaker 1: You're done.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So I I like those like flashback scenes as well.

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I'll just shadow to I. I like the like the

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young actor that plays young Matt. I think he does

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a pretty good job at like being that super vulnerable boy.

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I like the scenes between him and his father. I

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just want to quickly shout those out. But yeah, get

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getting back to Stick. I also felt like I felt

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like they were really going to be showing us like

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a lot more with him here. I think he'll be

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back at some point, But I just I felt like

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by the end of the show it was like, oh yeah,

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what happened with Stick? I was a little bit like,

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I don't know, just feeling like there was some miss

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stuff there. But I also don't think I would have

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swapped out like the ending of the show for like

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some more Stick stuff, Like it was a lot more

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interesting having it with Fisk and Murdoch versus h I

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don't know the Stick dynamic, but I'm pretty sure it

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was the same actor that plays kill Bill. I'm don't

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have to look that up before.

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Speaker 2: He was also in Soccer Punch, right, as like the

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old mentor guy.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's right. Yeah, yeah, You're totally right.

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Speaker 1: He's been a few things, Glenn.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, anyways, what else was I gonna say? Oh, and

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just talking about the characters with Karen Page and Foggy

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and Matt Murdock. I I feel like there's so many

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moments in the show when all of our characters are

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in peril, like, not just Matt, Karen definitely, because she's

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basically like the whistleblower that the big company is coming

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out to just murder her essentially and scare her dead.

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But I liked all the moments of kind of just

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like wholesomeness, like when they're just kind of like working

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at the law firm together or just kind of like

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having fun together and chatting. Like there's many moments when

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there's things that kind of are maybe I don't know,

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breaking the team apart, especially later on in the show.

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But I really liked all the scenes. I just feel

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like they have really good chemistry, all three of them.

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You know, Karen and Foggy have some nice moments of

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like when they go out drinking, they're just kind of

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like bonding, Like there was just some really fun times.

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Speaker 3: And yeah, I just think they're all really good together, and.

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Speaker 4: Foggy I was thrown off because it's I first saw

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this guy in Mighty Ducks. He was the guy that

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had like the killer slap shot. I don't know if

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you remember that movie, but I don't pash you're in

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a Mighty Ducks fan, I feel like you would have been.

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Speaker 1: I've never I don't even know if I've ever watched it.

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Speaker 4: Well, that's surprising Elden Hinson. That's the thing.

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Speaker 2: My first time with him are seeing him on screen

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was he's actually in The Hunger Games Mocking j Part one.

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Speaker 1: He plays a character called poll Ox.

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Speaker 2: No really, he's one of the teammates of Catnus Eberdeen.

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Speaker 1: Hmm, yeah, for what that's worth. But I really like

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this character. He was fantastic. I like how charismatically humorous

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he is. He's just great. And I love that episode too,

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when he finds out.

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Speaker 2: The truth and that really caught me off guard, when

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he finds out the truth about Matt Murdock and they

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have this whole situation unfolding and it's just it's going

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through flashbacks, so their relationship and their friendship that's starting out,

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it's just this crazy dynamic and I like where we

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get to the end where they they've reconciled and they've

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kind of overcame that, and yeah, it's just it's such

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an interesting dynamic and Karen obviously doesn't know, and so

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I'm really excited to see when that's gonna kind of

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become a factor and how that's gonna tie in.

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Speaker 4: But I what do you got I gotta throw in there.

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Scot Glenn is not Bill from Kill Bill, I have

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to That's David Carridine. So he's got the same squaw

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about him. Though he's got the same charisma. I can

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just picture him with like a big katana, you know,

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just dueling Uma Thurman. But yeah, I know, like when

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when Foggy finds out about matt secret identity, at first,

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I was like a little bit annoyed because it was

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reminding me a little bit of you know, good old

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Goblet of Fire when Ron's super jealous of and like

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I'm not saying Foggy is jealous of that, but it's

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just like he's just really like whiny and bitchy towards him,

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and like, to me, Matt's just like bleeding out there,

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and like fogg He's just like giving him hell, and

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it's just like man, this is a little that uh,

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this is a little bit too much right now. But

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I do like how the main issue he had it

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wasn't just that he didn't tell him. It's like they're

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like they're lawyers, right, Like they're supposed to be doing

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everything by the book, and like like it's big. It's

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a big like moral thing that like lawyers have is

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to like do it properly and like actually go through

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the proper legal procedures, and Matt's basically just throwing that

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to the side. And he seems very hypocritical because when

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he is Matt Murdoch, like the blind guy with the cane,

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that's kind of how he always goes about like doing

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the law. Obviously, you know it's right, he knows when

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people are lying, which is a little bit of a

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cheat code. But I don't know, I feel like he

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doesn't doesn't necessarily abuse that power, like like like he

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could definitely be using it in more nefarious ways than

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he is, which is good in my books. And I

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mean there is a lot of gray areas I think

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with the Man in the Mask at this point, the

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man in the mask being daredevil like just through like

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the media coverage, right, like like they think that he

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killed a couple of cops or something. I can't remember

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exactly where it was at this point in the show,

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like what he was being accused of, but from Foggy side,

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like this guy's pretty sketchy. And then now it's like

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been Matt this whole time. Like also just all the

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times that like he says, like you knew I was

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lying at any time He's like yeah, pretty much. It's

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just like, oh man, that's like super embarrassing for any

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little white lie that he might have tried to pull

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in the past. And so yeah, I think at first

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I was a little bit annoyed by it, but by

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the end it was it was all right, and I'm

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glad it didn't go on too long, like they did

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kind of reconcile fairly quickly, which was which was nice.

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But yeah, no, and then, like you said, Karen doesn't know,

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and do you think she's gonna find out?

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Speaker 3: I think she's gonna find out at some point.

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Speaker 2: I'm going to put my chips down that she finds

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out in season three. Oh okay, I think they had so

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many reveals in season one. I mean, you got Claire

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and Foggy, so I don't think we're gonna get anyone else.

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Speaker 1: I think I'll just still save it as reveal. M.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well what do we have here? We got Wesley

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we could talk about because I talk about like the crew.

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Speaker 1: That's around, like, uh, Dona Frio or Dona Frio say his.

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Speaker 3: Name, Dona Frio.

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Speaker 4: Uh yeah, yeah, No, I'm I mean, I think the

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show and yeah, just just Fisk in general, I think

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the show does a really good job at like setting

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up fisk I just like we like we don't even

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know who he is for the first couple of episodes,

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really like the people don't even say his name, and

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then we only really see like Wesley being the guy

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that's kind of the in between, and I think they

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do a good job of just like a big and

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pending doom is coming, which is Fisk. And and yeah,

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like Donafrio's I don't even know how he say his name.

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I'm gonna keep saying it interchangeably, so I apologize in

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advance to anyone that I might offend here.

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Speaker 3: But donad Frio he does.

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Speaker 4: He just does such a fantastic job. And I think

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like the real subtle acting that like the role kind

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of demands because I think there's many moments when he's

473
00:23:13,000 --> 00:23:16,119
just kind of like like a lot is being said

474
00:23:16,160 --> 00:23:19,200
through just his like mannerisms and his body language, like

475
00:23:19,200 --> 00:23:22,839
whether like when that one Russian guy like comes in

476
00:23:22,880 --> 00:23:25,440
and ruins the dinner and it's like, oh my god,

477
00:23:25,640 --> 00:23:28,359
like this is this is so we.

478
00:23:28,440 --> 00:23:29,480
Speaker 1: Want to make that deal?

479
00:23:31,480 --> 00:23:33,200
Speaker 3: Come on, No, I want to talk to the bos

480
00:23:33,240 --> 00:23:35,599
then bank this out right now.

481
00:23:35,640 --> 00:23:38,200
Speaker 4: Like it's just oh man, I was just so cringing

482
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:40,559
in that moment because it's like this guy's just so dead,

483
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:43,079
Like this guy has no idea what he just did,

484
00:23:43,119 --> 00:23:46,200
but he just got his death sentence essentially.

485
00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:48,200
Speaker 3: But No, I think he does a really good.

486
00:23:48,119 --> 00:23:53,240
Speaker 4: Job at being like showing when he has a lot

487
00:23:53,279 --> 00:23:55,720
of anger that he's holding back or maybe a lot

488
00:23:55,759 --> 00:23:58,440
of like vulnerabilities that he's holding back. And I think

489
00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,839
that side of Fisk was something that I was kind

490
00:24:00,839 --> 00:24:04,839
of caught off guard by, Like I don't know, like

491
00:24:05,640 --> 00:24:09,480
even in the Spider Verse version of Fisk, like when

492
00:24:09,559 --> 00:24:12,519
he has I think the flashback is like Vanessa like

493
00:24:12,599 --> 00:24:18,079
finding out like really what he is. Like in that version,

494
00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:20,680
it's just like he's super vulnerable because he's trying to

495
00:24:20,759 --> 00:24:23,279
keep like his personal life and like the villain side

496
00:24:23,279 --> 00:24:26,240
of him completely separate, and he's like, really, I don't know,

497
00:24:26,319 --> 00:24:29,160
he just looks really vulnerable in those moments where in

498
00:24:29,200 --> 00:24:32,160
this show there's very there's many moments when he is

499
00:24:32,279 --> 00:24:35,279
very vulnerable, but it's mostly due to do with Vanessa,

500
00:24:36,079 --> 00:24:38,400
which I think was just something I was not expecting

501
00:24:39,240 --> 00:24:41,880
at all. I just assumed he was going to be,

502
00:24:42,799 --> 00:24:45,759
I don't know, just like an absolute menace and like

503
00:24:45,839 --> 00:24:48,440
scary throughout the whole thing. I just wasn't expecting to

504
00:24:48,480 --> 00:24:50,960
have a couple layers in there. I don't know, how

505
00:24:51,000 --> 00:24:52,799
are you feeling about that? Were you surprised when he

506
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,440
was just all all over Venessa. I feel like at

507
00:24:55,480 --> 00:24:57,039
times I was a little bit annoyed by it, because

508
00:24:57,079 --> 00:24:59,039
it's like, oh man, this guy's so pathetic. He's just

509
00:24:59,079 --> 00:25:02,160
like just moaning and grown in over to Vanessa here.

510
00:25:03,680 --> 00:25:08,440
Speaker 2: But well, yeah, it caught me off guard when they

511
00:25:08,480 --> 00:25:11,720
were kind of showcasing him go through different emotions and

512
00:25:11,759 --> 00:25:15,839
then we've got a flashback of him being like a

513
00:25:15,960 --> 00:25:20,240
kid and just going through all this kind of trauma

514
00:25:20,319 --> 00:25:22,759
and tribulation with his dad. His dad is an absolute

515
00:25:22,799 --> 00:25:27,119
piece of shit, and yeah, he just it's a whole

516
00:25:27,160 --> 00:25:29,640
thing where you think that his parents are both dead

517
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:31,319
and then oh, you find out the mom is alive

518
00:25:31,440 --> 00:25:31,880
and that.

519
00:25:33,079 --> 00:25:34,799
Speaker 1: Our characters like Ben and.

520
00:25:37,400 --> 00:25:39,480
Speaker 2: Karen are basically finding out, oh that this is the

521
00:25:39,519 --> 00:25:42,920
mom and then I mean Ben pays the price ultimately,

522
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:46,279
which is pretty shitty. But he's just he's supposed to

523
00:25:46,279 --> 00:25:48,799
be the be all end all, like leading this criminal

524
00:25:48,880 --> 00:25:53,799
organization from the Shadows, and he just starts to get

525
00:25:54,519 --> 00:25:58,039
sloppy and makes bad decisions. It becomes emotionally compromised, and

526
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:02,799
you have our character there is like his his compatriots

527
00:26:02,880 --> 00:26:05,200
kind of start to call him out on that, but

528
00:26:05,319 --> 00:26:08,680
he's still just disregarding it and ignoring it. And yeah,

529
00:26:08,759 --> 00:26:13,880
sure with Vanessa, he really does open up. And Vanessa's

530
00:26:13,920 --> 00:26:18,440
clearly fucked up as well because the city's exploding and

531
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:21,359
he's doing bad things and she's just getting turned on

532
00:26:21,480 --> 00:26:24,000
by it and it's just totally eating it all up,

533
00:26:24,039 --> 00:26:27,960
which I just realize is Vanessa Fisk. That actress that

534
00:26:28,000 --> 00:26:31,720
plays her also plays Laura and Man of Steel, Superman's

535
00:26:31,759 --> 00:26:35,680
mother opposite of uh, what's his name?

536
00:26:37,359 --> 00:26:40,119
Speaker 1: No? No, no, not that one the mom on on Krypton.

537
00:26:40,440 --> 00:26:44,960
Speaker 4: Oh okay, okay, yeah, I don't know the mum's name,

538
00:26:45,039 --> 00:26:45,720
but interesting.

539
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,079
Speaker 1: Yeah, so there you go.

540
00:26:49,599 --> 00:26:53,519
Speaker 2: But yeah, I just I just think that he's he's

541
00:26:53,640 --> 00:26:55,319
very different from the the.

542
00:26:55,160 --> 00:26:56,920
Speaker 1: Fisk that we are sorting of the Fisk.

543
00:26:57,440 --> 00:27:02,279
Speaker 2: Yeah, I guess Fisk the Kingpin that we see in Hawkeye.

544
00:27:02,799 --> 00:27:06,920
Speaker 1: That's right, that's where he came. So eleanor I don't

545
00:27:06,960 --> 00:27:11,000
know that one. I like.

546
00:27:11,240 --> 00:27:13,640
Speaker 2: I like this one a lot more than the one

547
00:27:13,640 --> 00:27:15,920
that we've seen in Hawkeye. And this one definitely isn't

548
00:27:16,400 --> 00:27:20,359
terrifying because the time, like it's like his shirts. Yeah,

549
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:24,160
he's he's definitely. Yeah, he's just more he's more calculated.

550
00:27:24,160 --> 00:27:26,000
He's not as big as he is in Hawkeye. In

551
00:27:26,000 --> 00:27:28,640
the Hawkeye version, he's a lot more bigger. Even in

552
00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:32,119
the Echo, Uh, he's a bit bigger. But this is

553
00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:34,640
definitely a I feel like it's a king pin that

554
00:27:34,759 --> 00:27:39,240
is getting to be He's still learning the ropes to himself, right.

555
00:27:39,279 --> 00:27:41,400
It's like it feels like his origin story almost in

556
00:27:41,440 --> 00:27:43,759
a way. And I think that's a good thing because

557
00:27:43,759 --> 00:27:46,039
you have Daredevil and you have him both opposite sides

558
00:27:46,039 --> 00:27:48,680
of the coin, both developing and both kind of going

559
00:27:48,720 --> 00:27:53,559
on their paths becoming more of who they they are,

560
00:27:53,720 --> 00:27:55,960
and I mean he's dealt with betrayals because his own

561
00:27:56,000 --> 00:28:00,160
team is trying like poison Vanessa killer and all this crazy.

562
00:28:00,279 --> 00:28:00,759
Speaker 1: So there's a.

563
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:04,759
Speaker 2: Lot going on in his world, and especially too, because

564
00:28:04,799 --> 00:28:07,799
he ends up coming out publicly and opening up publicly

565
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,079
to everyone like Hey, I'm rich and I'm gonna help

566
00:28:10,079 --> 00:28:10,559
the city.

567
00:28:10,720 --> 00:28:11,920
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeada yaha, So.

568
00:28:13,400 --> 00:28:14,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, I.

569
00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,799
Speaker 4: For yeah, for Fisk, I feel I feel like, on

570
00:28:20,799 --> 00:28:23,720
one hand, I like, like how I already said I

571
00:28:23,759 --> 00:28:25,799
thought they set him up really good, and I do

572
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:30,400
like how what you mentioned there that it like this

573
00:28:30,559 --> 00:28:33,640
is show is called Daredevil, but it really follows like

574
00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:37,519
both Matt and Fisk, like pretty equally, Like obviously more

575
00:28:37,559 --> 00:28:39,839
so Matt, but like there's many moments that were just

576
00:28:39,880 --> 00:28:42,799
following Fisk and even just looking through the episodes, like

577
00:28:42,799 --> 00:28:45,000
a lot of the description is like Fisk threatens to

578
00:28:45,079 --> 00:28:48,519
rip Hell's kitchen apart murder, or Fisk and Murdock wrestle

579
00:28:48,559 --> 00:28:51,279
with the consequences fisk worlds. It's just like the like

580
00:28:51,440 --> 00:28:54,279
there's always Fisk and Matt like in the descriptions for

581
00:28:54,319 --> 00:28:56,799
the episodes, and there's many times that we're following like

582
00:28:57,000 --> 00:28:59,400
just Fisk when he's interacting with the other heads of

583
00:28:59,440 --> 00:29:04,440
the criminal organization, and like, I think it's a really

584
00:29:04,519 --> 00:29:07,200
nice balance of just focusing on both the characters. And

585
00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,599
I'm interested in seeing how that advance is going forward,

586
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:14,200
because you know, Fisk is temporarily dealt with right now,

587
00:29:14,240 --> 00:29:17,519
but he's he's definitely gonna be getting some some big

588
00:29:17,559 --> 00:29:20,240
revenge plays I would imagine in the future here, and

589
00:29:21,359 --> 00:29:24,599
I'm I'm I'm interested in seeing that. And I I liked,

590
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:26,880
I like the build up. There was still some moments

591
00:29:26,920 --> 00:29:31,119
when I feel like a lot of Fisk's power and

592
00:29:31,200 --> 00:29:34,400
influence is just kind of like like it's just kind

593
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,160
of like given to us, and it's like, okay, yeah, no,

594
00:29:36,279 --> 00:29:37,920
that that's just the way that the world is. And

595
00:29:37,960 --> 00:29:41,160
there's not many moments when we see him like directly

596
00:29:41,200 --> 00:29:43,960
making moves and I'm not saying that's like a bad thing,

597
00:29:44,000 --> 00:29:46,440
because obviously he can be making moves in the shadows,

598
00:29:46,440 --> 00:29:50,039
and there is some like big, smart, big brain plays

599
00:29:50,039 --> 00:29:54,839
that he makes that like would you know, take some

600
00:29:54,880 --> 00:29:59,039
strategy and and some some smart thinking to pull through

601
00:29:59,119 --> 00:30:03,119
and just some diving backstabbing that goes on in the

602
00:30:03,119 --> 00:30:08,039
criminal world. But I feel like I still maybe would

603
00:30:08,039 --> 00:30:11,519
have wanted to see like more of him doing like

604
00:30:11,559 --> 00:30:13,200
more of like the crime stuff, because it's just kind

605
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:15,039
of like him and Vanessa going on dates and then

606
00:30:15,079 --> 00:30:17,640
like big stuff's going around going on around him and

607
00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:21,319
like there's always just like a thousand bodyguards around him,

608
00:30:21,359 --> 00:30:23,240
and it's just like, Okay, he's the kingpin and that's

609
00:30:23,319 --> 00:30:26,119
just the way that the world is right now. And

610
00:30:26,400 --> 00:30:28,839
I feel like we don't, I don't know, get a

611
00:30:28,839 --> 00:30:32,119
lot of time to like dissect exactly like how like

612
00:30:32,160 --> 00:30:33,640
how how does he even get in this situation?

613
00:30:33,759 --> 00:30:35,680
Speaker 3: Like like he went from murdering.

614
00:30:35,359 --> 00:30:38,160
Speaker 4: His dad as as we young lad to just where

615
00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:40,880
he is now, and it's just that's just the script,

616
00:30:40,920 --> 00:30:42,359
you know, like like that's just where he is. Like

617
00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:45,160
we don't really focus in on like what he took

618
00:30:45,200 --> 00:30:45,759
to get there.

619
00:30:45,839 --> 00:30:49,640
Speaker 1: And uh he went to the farm, right, yeah.

620
00:30:49,519 --> 00:30:52,279
Speaker 4: I guess so, and he just just got big, you know,

621
00:30:52,319 --> 00:30:55,440
he got some nice white suits and uh yeah, just

622
00:30:55,480 --> 00:30:58,200
got them all suited up with armor. But uh no,

623
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:01,599
And it's a very minor gripe. Like I did really

624
00:31:01,640 --> 00:31:04,240
like all of the like Wesley stuff. We haven't really

625
00:31:04,240 --> 00:31:06,160
talked about him yet, but that was a really really

626
00:31:06,519 --> 00:31:09,359
cool character I really really liked that character. Actually, I

627
00:31:09,359 --> 00:31:13,799
thought he had a really almost like Agent Smith like

628
00:31:13,799 --> 00:31:17,480
like something to him where he just he seemed like

629
00:31:17,519 --> 00:31:20,400
a robot, Like he just seemed like very like analytical

630
00:31:20,640 --> 00:31:25,680
and just I don't know, like no no messing around,

631
00:31:25,720 --> 00:31:28,039
no mucking about with this guy. And I really liked

632
00:31:28,039 --> 00:31:30,039
his dialogue, whether it was with him and Fisk or

633
00:31:30,119 --> 00:31:32,720
him with the other heads or him and Karen, Like

634
00:31:32,759 --> 00:31:36,400
he could be very intimidating without looking like like a

635
00:31:36,440 --> 00:31:38,480
big bad guy with like a big scar or something.

636
00:31:38,559 --> 00:31:40,440
Like he's always wearing a suit and looks really well

637
00:31:40,799 --> 00:31:44,720
clean and everything. And yeah, no, I just really liked

638
00:31:45,119 --> 00:31:47,720
all of his interactions with our characters. And like I

639
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,440
said before, like how we're just kind of dealing with

640
00:31:49,519 --> 00:31:51,839
him at first, and we don't even see Fisk until

641
00:31:51,839 --> 00:31:55,200
a little bit later on. And yeah, no, really interesting character.

642
00:31:55,319 --> 00:31:57,759
And what a fucking idiot though, Like what a way

643
00:31:57,799 --> 00:32:00,200
to go out it. He just has this loaded gun,

644
00:32:00,480 --> 00:32:03,240
leaves on the table. Karen's just as faster than him,

645
00:32:03,279 --> 00:32:06,480
gets the gun. You really think that I was gun

646
00:32:06,480 --> 00:32:09,880
on the table. That's the last mistake he'll ever make.

647
00:32:10,039 --> 00:32:11,799
Speaker 1: But yeah, no kidding, But.

648
00:32:11,839 --> 00:32:14,160
Speaker 3: You know before that, before that he was. He was good.

649
00:32:14,759 --> 00:32:17,519
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll get my thoughts after this quick ad break

650
00:32:18,519 --> 00:32:19,480
and we are back.

651
00:32:19,519 --> 00:32:20,920
Speaker 1: So yeah, he was.

652
00:32:21,440 --> 00:32:23,799
Speaker 2: From the moment he appears on screen, he was just

653
00:32:23,880 --> 00:32:27,759
a fantastic character right up to his death. How he

654
00:32:28,240 --> 00:32:33,480
plays that that policeman father figure to kind of work

655
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:34,319
in their advantage.

656
00:32:34,400 --> 00:32:36,359
Speaker 1: It's just so much stuff that he was just doing.

657
00:32:36,440 --> 00:32:39,279
Speaker 2: And when he has his first meeting with Foggy and

658
00:32:39,359 --> 00:32:42,240
Matt that was pretty cool too. Just he's got this

659
00:32:42,599 --> 00:32:46,559
tensity that he brings, and so when he does get killed,

660
00:32:46,599 --> 00:32:49,279
it's very unfortunate because Fisk says like, oh, he was

661
00:32:49,319 --> 00:32:51,599
more than just a henchman. He was like a friend,

662
00:32:51,640 --> 00:32:53,920
and there's this whole kind of like dynamic. But just

663
00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,400
the fact that he like takes one of his guards

664
00:32:56,519 --> 00:32:58,680
guns and then just goes off alone. I think it's

665
00:32:58,720 --> 00:33:04,599
just stupid, stupid idea. Stupid idea that guard too. When

666
00:33:04,680 --> 00:33:07,319
Fisk confronts him and he's like, oh, he took my

667
00:33:07,359 --> 00:33:09,640
gun and he wants said that we need to stay there,

668
00:33:09,680 --> 00:33:11,920
and Fisk is like you motherfucker and starts beating the

669
00:33:11,960 --> 00:33:14,559
shit out of him for doing what he was told

670
00:33:14,599 --> 00:33:14,880
to do.

671
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:17,839
Speaker 1: Just brutal, absolutely brutal, but.

672
00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,839
Speaker 4: I likes my last day. He kept working for Fisk

673
00:33:21,880 --> 00:33:24,960
after that. He's very loyal. He to keep working for Fast.

674
00:33:25,000 --> 00:33:30,880
Speaker 1: Holy shit, Oh my goodness, Where.

675
00:33:30,799 --> 00:33:34,200
Speaker 3: You want to go next? What was his name? Ben? Ben?

676
00:33:34,319 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 1: Ben? That's the one.

677
00:33:36,880 --> 00:33:38,799
Speaker 4: I feel like a lot of these shows, there's always,

678
00:33:38,799 --> 00:33:42,960
you know, like the the badass cowboy reporter that especially

679
00:33:42,960 --> 00:33:45,000
you know, he's been around the blog for a few times,

680
00:33:45,039 --> 00:33:47,319
so a lot of people kind of know his name

681
00:33:47,359 --> 00:33:49,880
and his reputation, and I don't know, Yeah, I just

682
00:33:49,920 --> 00:33:53,039
really liked his inclusion in the show, and mostly just

683
00:33:53,079 --> 00:33:55,799
his dynamic with Karen. Like I assumed he was going

684
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:58,079
to be interacting a lot more with our other characters,

685
00:33:58,799 --> 00:34:00,799
but it was mostly just like him and Karen kind

686
00:34:00,799 --> 00:34:04,440
of doing things, like he interacts with Daredevil a couple times,

687
00:34:05,599 --> 00:34:08,920
but for the most part, he's kind of like training

688
00:34:09,400 --> 00:34:12,679
Karen and like bringing her under his wing on like

689
00:34:12,880 --> 00:34:16,440
kind of how to manage this world and how to

690
00:34:16,480 --> 00:34:19,679
stay alive. Most importantly, like I like when he meets

691
00:34:19,679 --> 00:34:22,480
her at the auction house and it's just like all

692
00:34:22,519 --> 00:34:24,599
these other like like he just says, like you're basically

693
00:34:24,679 --> 00:34:26,519
fucked by being here, Like now you have to buy

694
00:34:27,360 --> 00:34:29,320
something to get out of here. It's kind of funny,

695
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:31,599
and it ended up being the supplies they kind of

696
00:34:31,639 --> 00:34:33,119
needed for the office, so it kind.

697
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:34,559
Speaker 3: Of worked out. But a lot of it was a

698
00:34:34,599 --> 00:34:35,159
lot of junk.

699
00:34:35,239 --> 00:34:38,159
Speaker 4: But No, I really liked the two of them together,

700
00:34:38,239 --> 00:34:41,320
and I I was like, at first, I was a

701
00:34:41,320 --> 00:34:44,039
little bit annoyed, how like this is what he's been

702
00:34:44,039 --> 00:34:47,039
all about, and then she's getting into it and he's like, no,

703
00:34:47,559 --> 00:34:49,719
we're not doing this anymore. And then and then he

704
00:34:49,800 --> 00:34:53,280
just kind of jumps back on her team. But it

705
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:55,599
does make sense that, like he knows how dangerous this

706
00:34:55,760 --> 00:34:58,519
is and he's not young and spry like he used

707
00:34:58,519 --> 00:35:01,800
to be, Like he can't just you know, do dumb

708
00:35:01,800 --> 00:35:04,679
shit like this anymore, and he doesn't want her to

709
00:35:04,760 --> 00:35:07,840
go down that route. So it makes sense. But I

710
00:35:07,920 --> 00:35:09,639
like how they kind of I don't know just all

711
00:35:09,639 --> 00:35:12,119
their moments that they're bonding and near like I can't

712
00:35:12,119 --> 00:35:14,320
remember it's the penultimate episode or not, but like when

713
00:35:14,360 --> 00:35:16,360
Karen phones him and just like kind of has that

714
00:35:16,400 --> 00:35:19,199
hard to her, like, you know, thank you for just

715
00:35:19,280 --> 00:35:21,400
kind of being there, and like there's many times that

716
00:35:21,440 --> 00:35:24,480
she can't really rely on Foggy or Matt because Matt's

717
00:35:24,480 --> 00:35:28,039
gone off being Daredevil and Foggy's just insecure and but

718
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:32,280
hurt over Matt being Daredevil's. So yeah, I thought it

719
00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,800
was a really really great character inclusion. And you know,

720
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,400
sad that he died, but it's it's nice that he

721
00:35:38,519 --> 00:35:43,480
got like the big life insurance policy on himself because yeah,

722
00:35:43,559 --> 00:35:46,800
risky business. And then you know, his his his wife

723
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,679
that sadly has dementia kind of losing it, but at

724
00:35:49,760 --> 00:35:52,400
least she's got some some money to be supported by.

725
00:35:52,519 --> 00:35:54,679
And yeah, no, I liked all those moments, like the

726
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:59,719
scenes between him and his wife, just like I don't know,

727
00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,079
like anytime there's like those scenes where it's like a

728
00:36:02,079 --> 00:36:05,039
dementia patient or something when he's like talking to her

729
00:36:05,079 --> 00:36:06,559
and then they have this nice moment and then like

730
00:36:06,639 --> 00:36:09,719
right after she like completely forgets the conversation, just so

731
00:36:09,880 --> 00:36:10,639
like gut wrenching.

732
00:36:10,719 --> 00:36:13,159
Speaker 3: It's just so sad. Reminds me of The Notebook. It

733
00:36:13,199 --> 00:36:14,800
shuts up to that movie.

734
00:36:16,360 --> 00:36:18,599
Speaker 4: So yeah, no, I really liked all those scenes with

735
00:36:18,679 --> 00:36:20,719
Ben and yeah, wrist and peace.

736
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:26,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, I liked his character a lot. He was really

737
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,039
really good working on screen with Karen. I think that

738
00:36:29,039 --> 00:36:30,880
they had some good chemistry between the two of them,

739
00:36:31,000 --> 00:36:33,880
and it was just need to see this reporter that

740
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:38,400
has gone through so much chaos and bribery and just

741
00:36:38,599 --> 00:36:43,119
political okay craziness, and so here he is at this

742
00:36:43,480 --> 00:36:45,480
this point of his career and he's trying to get

743
00:36:45,559 --> 00:36:47,079
he's trying to be there for his wife, and then

744
00:36:47,159 --> 00:36:50,639
Karen Key's pulling him back in and it ultimately pays,

745
00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,000
I mean, he pays with his life. And that scene

746
00:36:56,079 --> 00:36:58,480
was just so intense when he's doing his thing and

747
00:36:58,519 --> 00:37:02,159
he's gonna type up the truth bomb and then Fisk

748
00:37:02,320 --> 00:37:04,559
is just sitting there and then you think the conversation

749
00:37:04,639 --> 00:37:06,199
is going good, but he's like, you.

750
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,199
Speaker 1: Put my mother into this, my mother, and then he.

751
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,159
Speaker 2: Fucking dolphin dives at Ben starts choking a life out

752
00:37:12,159 --> 00:37:12,480
of him.

753
00:37:13,239 --> 00:37:17,559
Speaker 1: Jesus so I'd expect to death. But I really really

754
00:37:17,599 --> 00:37:18,840
like Ben. I liked him a lot.

755
00:37:19,000 --> 00:37:24,159
Speaker 4: So yeah, yeah, man, KEM thinkin just he just goes

756
00:37:24,199 --> 00:37:26,960
full aggressive mode and just really pops off. I like

757
00:37:27,079 --> 00:37:31,599
how at the again, can't really remember if it's a

758
00:37:31,599 --> 00:37:34,039
penultimate episode, it might have been a little bit before

759
00:37:34,119 --> 00:37:37,960
that when he's fighting no boo. I think that's the

760
00:37:38,039 --> 00:37:41,000
Ninja's name, I can't really remember. No Boo is the

761
00:37:41,039 --> 00:37:43,079
guy that dresses up in like the ninja robes and.

762
00:37:43,159 --> 00:37:44,840
Speaker 1: Rights and then he lights him one.

763
00:37:44,840 --> 00:37:49,239
Speaker 4: Fine you got no Boo, So like during that sequence,

764
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,960
and then when Fisk is like after where he's just

765
00:37:52,000 --> 00:37:54,199
beaten on Daredel and he's just doing like the big

766
00:37:54,239 --> 00:37:56,679
on like gorilla monkey fist thing, it's the same move

767
00:37:56,719 --> 00:37:58,400
that he did in Spider Verse when he killed the

768
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,440
like Spider Man, you know, like the first Peter Parker.

769
00:38:01,519 --> 00:38:05,639
So it's just a good signature move that I because

770
00:38:05,639 --> 00:38:08,400
it's just like like it's just a power move, right,

771
00:38:08,440 --> 00:38:11,719
It's like a Donkey Kong type level, uh, you know

772
00:38:12,000 --> 00:38:13,639
move from like Smash Bros or something.

773
00:38:13,679 --> 00:38:16,360
Speaker 3: So it was nice to see that showcase there.

774
00:38:16,400 --> 00:38:21,039
Speaker 4: And and then when he just strangles Ben or the

775
00:38:21,039 --> 00:38:25,280
the nice iconic uh killing of that Russian guy with

776
00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:27,599
the with the car door and just fucking removes his

777
00:38:27,679 --> 00:38:28,079
whole head.

778
00:38:28,079 --> 00:38:29,920
Speaker 3: It's just so vicious.

779
00:38:29,960 --> 00:38:32,719
Speaker 4: And that's what's nice, is like when you see him

780
00:38:32,760 --> 00:38:35,159
like he is clean, you know, like he's wearing suits,

781
00:38:35,199 --> 00:38:37,519
but like you see scenes like that and you're like,

782
00:38:37,559 --> 00:38:39,960
oh man, this guy's like the devil, Like like he

783
00:38:40,119 --> 00:38:44,559
is evil. So I like when those I don't know,

784
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:46,800
just just seeing both sides of it, and then of

785
00:38:46,840 --> 00:38:49,199
course seeing that, like you know, he kind of had

786
00:38:49,199 --> 00:38:51,639
that in him since he was a young kid because

787
00:38:51,639 --> 00:38:53,880
of just the trauma that he went through from his

788
00:38:53,960 --> 00:38:56,840
dad and then his dad beating on his wife or yeah,

789
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,880
his mom, and then and then he just has enough and.

790
00:39:01,440 --> 00:39:03,039
Speaker 3: It's just going at him.

791
00:39:03,599 --> 00:39:06,559
Speaker 1: Yeah, it goes and I'm pretty freaking hard. Geez Louise.

792
00:39:06,960 --> 00:39:15,320
Speaker 2: Yeah, Yeah, well said, where else should we steer to

793
00:39:15,599 --> 00:39:16,039
right now?

794
00:39:16,760 --> 00:39:18,760
Speaker 3: Any other characters that we haven't talked about yet?

795
00:39:19,239 --> 00:39:20,880
Speaker 1: I could talk about Claire What do you what do

796
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:21,559
you think about her?

797
00:39:21,599 --> 00:39:24,119
Speaker 2: And how she just kind of like found found him

798
00:39:24,119 --> 00:39:26,159
in the dumpster and took him in and became kind

799
00:39:26,159 --> 00:39:28,199
of like as private as his private doctor he was,

800
00:39:28,519 --> 00:39:29,280
she was the healer.

801
00:39:30,360 --> 00:39:30,559
Speaker 3: Yeah.

802
00:39:30,599 --> 00:39:35,119
Speaker 4: I really like Claire. I this oh my gosh, what's

803
00:39:35,119 --> 00:39:36,559
her name, Rosario Dawson?

804
00:39:36,920 --> 00:39:37,679
Speaker 1: Yep, you got Yeah.

805
00:39:38,119 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 4: I just like her in general. I feel like most

806
00:39:40,719 --> 00:39:43,800
things that I see she's she's really great in. And

807
00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:48,320
I really liked the situation that like Matt kind of

808
00:39:48,480 --> 00:39:50,880
gets himself in for her to like just be in

809
00:39:50,880 --> 00:39:54,800
that care. I think that they have really great chemistry together,

810
00:39:54,840 --> 00:39:57,039
and she's just really funny with some one liners and

811
00:39:57,880 --> 00:40:00,639
really going out of her way to like just always

812
00:40:00,760 --> 00:40:03,159
kind of patching him up for the brink of death

813
00:40:03,239 --> 00:40:05,239
like that that's gonna be a lot of like mental

814
00:40:05,280 --> 00:40:08,199
taxing as well as like all of her first aid

815
00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:10,360
kids are gonna be gone. She's probably gonna keep stealing

816
00:40:10,360 --> 00:40:12,960
stuff from the hospital to keep this guy alive.

817
00:40:13,079 --> 00:40:16,360
Speaker 1: And he keeps reopening his stitches too, fuck man.

818
00:40:16,760 --> 00:40:20,400
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, no, he's he's not a good patient.

819
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,480
He does not you know, wait to be fully recovered.

820
00:40:23,519 --> 00:40:26,320
But I liked how that's like she is willing to

821
00:40:26,360 --> 00:40:30,480
do all that because like she feels like she believes

822
00:40:30,519 --> 00:40:32,679
in what the Daredevil is doing. So this is kind

823
00:40:32,679 --> 00:40:34,760
of her her way of like helping out the cause

824
00:40:34,840 --> 00:40:39,159
and her just living you know, in Hell's Kitchen like

825
00:40:39,199 --> 00:40:40,760
a lot of the other characters that were with but

826
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:45,079
like just singing like the bad side of it. And

827
00:40:46,320 --> 00:40:50,719
I yeah, I like how her and Matt are kind

828
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:53,400
of button heads once, like she sees more of like

829
00:40:53,519 --> 00:40:56,119
the intense side of what it takes to really go

830
00:40:56,679 --> 00:41:00,559
about like with doing what he does. And that's what's

831
00:41:00,559 --> 00:41:03,480
an interesting thing about the character is like it's not

832
00:41:03,519 --> 00:41:06,119
like he's just doing it because this is what's required

833
00:41:06,119 --> 00:41:08,719
of him. Like he does enjoy it, you know, like

834
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,599
this is kind of a release for him. And that's

835
00:41:11,639 --> 00:41:14,679
that's tying back to like just his father, right, and

836
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:16,920
like like his father was a fighter, and this is

837
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,880
just like a way to kind of vent out his

838
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:24,679
emotions and whatnot. And it's just like it's it's therapy essentially, right,

839
00:41:24,800 --> 00:41:27,880
just like exercising is. But like beaten on people I

840
00:41:28,400 --> 00:41:33,159
guess is as well, especially you know, like human traffickers

841
00:41:33,159 --> 00:41:35,639
and like people that really deserve it, like just bad people.

842
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:40,400
So I liked how they kind of were button heads

843
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:42,320
at times, but at the end of the day, like

844
00:41:42,360 --> 00:41:46,199
they still found some some mutual agreeances I guess on

845
00:41:46,840 --> 00:41:49,119
how to go about it. And but no, I like

846
00:41:49,159 --> 00:41:52,760
Claire a lot. I liked, oh, I forget his name,

847
00:41:52,800 --> 00:41:56,320
but the nice gentleman that found Matt in the dumpster,

848
00:41:56,599 --> 00:42:00,760
like the neighbor, the little Spanish boy. So yeah, no,

849
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,559
I like the whole dynamic of him and Claire.

850
00:42:03,599 --> 00:42:07,119
Speaker 2: And yeah, yeah, I agree.

851
00:42:07,159 --> 00:42:09,719
Speaker 1: I think the moment that they have their their meeting and.

852
00:42:09,639 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 2: They just had that tension and you know that it's

853
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:14,480
obviously kind of like a love.

854
00:42:14,320 --> 00:42:18,360
Speaker 1: Thing going on a little relationship, I'll give you that.

855
00:42:19,599 --> 00:42:21,800
Speaker 2: And I thought that, like it was tough for me

856
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:23,280
to kind of figure it out because I thought, well,

857
00:42:23,920 --> 00:42:27,159
Karen definitely seems to have feelings for him, but then

858
00:42:27,199 --> 00:42:29,039
you have Foggy and Karen that.

859
00:42:29,000 --> 00:42:31,039
Speaker 1: Really hit it off well, but then Foggy goes back

860
00:42:31,079 --> 00:42:31,800
with his X.

861
00:42:31,840 --> 00:42:35,199
Speaker 2: So it's just there's a whole like love triangle, just

862
00:42:35,280 --> 00:42:37,320
situation going on with all these characters.

863
00:42:37,639 --> 00:42:40,119
Speaker 4: I like a Foggy He's mentioned too, how like match

864
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,519
just a lady killer, like all the ladies just love.

865
00:42:42,400 --> 00:42:44,119
Speaker 3: That, you know, it makes sense.

866
00:42:44,159 --> 00:42:47,559
Speaker 4: He's Karen's obviously, you know, googly eyes for him when

867
00:42:47,559 --> 00:42:50,000
they first meet, and then Claire and then you know,

868
00:42:50,119 --> 00:42:52,119
fast forward when we meet Tatiana.

869
00:42:53,039 --> 00:42:56,199
Speaker 1: So that's right, Yeah, lady killer. It's a lady killer.

870
00:42:57,519 --> 00:43:00,000
Speaker 2: But I mean, I'm I want to say she was

871
00:43:00,199 --> 00:43:03,079
Claria was in Iron Fist, but I can't fully remember,

872
00:43:04,320 --> 00:43:06,199
but I'm excited to see her come back becau. Yeah.

873
00:43:06,199 --> 00:43:08,440
Speaker 1: I love for Zara DAWs and she's fantastic.

874
00:43:08,000 --> 00:43:12,519
Speaker 2: Zombielaing to Soca like she's just such a fantastic actress.

875
00:43:13,119 --> 00:43:15,920
Speaker 3: The Rundown Run Down.

876
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 1: Fuck. I love that movie.

877
00:43:17,440 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 3: It's so good.

878
00:43:20,440 --> 00:43:27,360
Speaker 4: Okay, the other I guess just factions like the Criminal Underworld.

879
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:30,960
I like how they kind of just have their like specialties,

880
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:34,320
Like I like the Chinese lady with her her blind

881
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:38,119
workers that they're just like perfect, Like Heroin I was

882
00:43:38,400 --> 00:43:43,199
fuck lab workers, Yeah, really fucked up. How Like it's

883
00:43:43,239 --> 00:43:45,079
not just like they're born blind, Like it's literally like

884
00:43:45,159 --> 00:43:48,800
a chemical just burn on their eyes. But I guess

885
00:43:48,800 --> 00:43:51,199
it's effective, right because they can't see anything, so they're

886
00:43:51,239 --> 00:43:51,800
not really good.

887
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:54,639
Speaker 2: But they believe in their purpose too, right, because what

888
00:43:54,679 --> 00:43:57,000
did she say? Like I gave them purpose and when

889
00:43:57,280 --> 00:43:59,519
Daredevil kind of fucked it up, she was like, oh,

890
00:43:59,519 --> 00:44:02,000
you took away their purpose in life, Like how they're

891
00:44:02,039 --> 00:44:04,199
going to be They're going to be miserable.

892
00:44:04,280 --> 00:44:05,079
Speaker 1: I don't know how much of.

893
00:44:05,000 --> 00:44:06,480
Speaker 4: A life that is though, you're just kind of a

894
00:44:06,760 --> 00:44:10,519
you know, a pawn at that point. But uh, I digress,

895
00:44:10,599 --> 00:44:14,960
but it Yeah, with all that being said, I still

896
00:44:15,039 --> 00:44:18,119
like just seeing like the different I guess specialties that

897
00:44:18,159 --> 00:44:22,079
the factions had, like the the Russians and just their

898
00:44:22,280 --> 00:44:26,840
their brute their brute soldier mercenary type outfits and then uh,

899
00:44:26,920 --> 00:44:31,119
you got Nobu and it's just like Ninja's. So yeah,

900
00:44:31,320 --> 00:44:33,760
it was kind of interesting to see how that was unfolding.

901
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:35,840
And I kind of assumed that they're all just going

902
00:44:35,920 --> 00:44:37,639
to be stabbed each other in the back. That's usually

903
00:44:37,639 --> 00:44:39,840
how these things go when you got criminal. I mean,

904
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:41,360
we just watched The Penguin. That's kind of what that

905
00:44:41,440 --> 00:44:44,800
show is all about. Just people stab each other in

906
00:44:44,840 --> 00:44:49,360
the back. And I'm always interested in some nice criminal masterminding.

907
00:44:49,480 --> 00:44:53,159
So yeah, I liked how that was set up. And

908
00:44:53,320 --> 00:44:56,559
I can't remember what the like the money guy's name was.

909
00:44:56,800 --> 00:45:00,800
He's just like was it the right owl?

910
00:45:01,000 --> 00:45:05,039
Speaker 1: That is what I see here on owl? Yeah? Im owls,

911
00:45:05,800 --> 00:45:07,679
Yeah that's his name. Owl.

912
00:45:07,920 --> 00:45:11,960
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, okay, I thought it was. I thought it

913
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:16,880
was something more European. But anyways, I liked his character

914
00:45:16,920 --> 00:45:19,039
how he was just kind of this like I don't know,

915
00:45:19,840 --> 00:45:24,760
Sneavely Weasley, little like bankerman who like, yeah, I would

916
00:45:24,840 --> 00:45:27,079
never throw a punch in his life, but he's just

917
00:45:27,119 --> 00:45:29,159
like the money guy. So he's kind of cocky and

918
00:45:29,320 --> 00:45:33,000
arrogant in that sense. And I don't know he was,

919
00:45:34,039 --> 00:45:36,960
I say, I like him, but like I liked his

920
00:45:37,159 --> 00:45:40,360
use in here. I wouldn't really need more of him,

921
00:45:40,400 --> 00:45:41,400
I don't think going forward.

922
00:45:42,559 --> 00:45:46,239
Speaker 2: Yeah, no, he I thought he was gonna be quickly

923
00:45:46,639 --> 00:45:49,800
done when Daredevil found him in the parking lot.

924
00:45:49,599 --> 00:45:53,280
Speaker 1: But that was not the case. We got Stick instead.

925
00:45:53,559 --> 00:45:56,760
Speaker 2: But yeah, I think he pops up at interesting times

926
00:45:56,800 --> 00:45:58,840
as a character, and that we learned that Okay, him

927
00:45:59,079 --> 00:46:03,800
and Madame gow I think was her name, they had

928
00:46:03,800 --> 00:46:10,400
basically orchestrated this whole okay like turncoat thing against Fisk

929
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,159
and his compatriots. So that was pretty interesting.

930
00:46:13,199 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 1: But yeah, no, he's he's definitely just.

931
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:19,559
Speaker 2: A loud mouth, kind of important semi important character in

932
00:46:19,599 --> 00:46:25,880
this show. And yeah, the other characters that are with

933
00:46:26,000 --> 00:46:28,159
him too, like Nobu, I thought he was pretty cool,

934
00:46:28,199 --> 00:46:31,199
but again he got he was expendable as per Fisk,

935
00:46:33,360 --> 00:46:36,039
and so I mean, who else do we have here?

936
00:46:36,079 --> 00:46:39,440
Actually we do have the tailor who's like making the

937
00:46:40,119 --> 00:46:43,000
clothing for Fisk as well. Oh yeah, but he wasn't

938
00:46:43,039 --> 00:46:45,440
necessarily like super super bad, even though they kind of

939
00:46:45,440 --> 00:46:47,719
apply it. It just turns out like, Okay, he's just

940
00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:50,280
doing this because he's kind of forced. His hand is

941
00:46:50,320 --> 00:46:53,039
forced and locked in the situation by Fisk.

942
00:46:53,199 --> 00:46:57,880
Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, he definitely is like a prisoner in that situation.

943
00:46:58,000 --> 00:47:00,840
Seems like Fisk is someone close to him, so he's

944
00:47:00,840 --> 00:47:04,119
just kind of doing doing what he has to.

945
00:47:04,840 --> 00:47:08,239
Speaker 2: An interesting thing about that character, or I guess the

946
00:47:08,280 --> 00:47:12,559
actor and hence my nickname is his name is Matt Gerald,

947
00:47:12,599 --> 00:47:14,360
and he's actually from Avatar.

948
00:47:14,599 --> 00:47:16,360
Speaker 1: He plays like the main grunt.

949
00:47:17,199 --> 00:47:22,000
Speaker 2: Ah he says a few times, and he comes back

950
00:47:22,119 --> 00:47:26,519
in Avatar too, I believe is one of the.

951
00:47:27,559 --> 00:47:32,599
Speaker 1: Yeah, he's like the second in command to uh whatever

952
00:47:32,760 --> 00:47:35,760
Orange course. Yeah, that's right. Seeing him in this role,

953
00:47:35,800 --> 00:47:37,159
I was like, Oh, that's hilarious.

954
00:47:37,199 --> 00:47:41,519
Speaker 2: He's the he's making Daredevil suit, which it is just great.

955
00:47:42,199 --> 00:47:44,320
Speaker 3: I can totally picture him now, So yeah, that's funny.

956
00:47:46,679 --> 00:47:47,760
Oh I was gonna something.

957
00:47:47,800 --> 00:47:50,360
Speaker 4: Oh, I really liked all the moments when you have

958
00:47:51,559 --> 00:47:54,880
Matt kind of just describing like what he sees in

959
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:56,880
the world, like a world on fire, which is like

960
00:47:57,000 --> 00:48:00,320
very fitting for the Daredevil character, just just from great

961
00:48:00,519 --> 00:48:01,199
imagery there.

962
00:48:01,239 --> 00:48:04,719
Speaker 3: And yeah, they're just obviously very fitting for the character

963
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:05,559
called Daredevil.

964
00:48:05,599 --> 00:48:08,679
Speaker 4: And in Hell's Kitchen, like it's all just very it

965
00:48:08,719 --> 00:48:12,119
all just fits really well. And I like seeing I mean,

966
00:48:12,159 --> 00:48:14,679
we already kind of talked about his suit, but once

967
00:48:14,719 --> 00:48:16,679
he gets like the actual Daredevil suit at the end,

968
00:48:16,679 --> 00:48:19,639
it's just so badass with the with his baton things

969
00:48:19,639 --> 00:48:22,880
that he has. It's just, yeah, really really sick character.

970
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:26,199
And obviously when you have a really well like choreographed,

971
00:48:26,679 --> 00:48:30,079
like hand to hand martial arts sequences, like it's yeah,

972
00:48:30,079 --> 00:48:32,719
I'm gonna I'm gonna pretty much love those sequences. That's

973
00:48:32,760 --> 00:48:35,599
why I love like shunk Chie so much. Like there's

974
00:48:35,599 --> 00:48:37,719
a lot of just some great fight choreography, hand to

975
00:48:37,760 --> 00:48:40,920
hand combat in there and in here. Yeah, it was

976
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:45,800
just really really well done and just really well choreographed, and.

977
00:48:46,239 --> 00:48:49,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I agree with the chography was great. Every

978
00:48:49,920 --> 00:48:53,360
time you know he's being trapped by cops, those fight

979
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:56,000
scenes are always super super fun. And you get this

980
00:48:56,159 --> 00:49:01,400
crazy scene where he ends up beating the guy that

981
00:49:01,480 --> 00:49:04,239
he that Matt Murdock had to protect. So Foggy and

982
00:49:04,239 --> 00:49:07,559
Matt were hired by Fisk and Wesley to go and

983
00:49:07,679 --> 00:49:11,039
defend this guy who was obviously bad, and they managed

984
00:49:11,079 --> 00:49:15,039
to sort of get him out, and then he he

985
00:49:15,159 --> 00:49:17,320
is out on the streets and then so Matt turns

986
00:49:17,320 --> 00:49:19,840
into Daredevil and goes and chases him and comes at

987
00:49:19,920 --> 00:49:22,480
him and then he makes him reveal the name Fisk,

988
00:49:22,639 --> 00:49:25,440
and then the guy's like, I shouldn't have done that,

989
00:49:25,519 --> 00:49:28,000
and then just smacks his head on a fucking pull

990
00:49:28,679 --> 00:49:31,440
And I was just shocked when I saw this, Like,

991
00:49:31,599 --> 00:49:35,400
holy shit, Like this show has varying degrees of hitting

992
00:49:35,400 --> 00:49:36,239
that rated R.

993
00:49:37,159 --> 00:49:41,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I gasp in that scene. I like knew

994
00:49:41,360 --> 00:49:43,920
it was coming, but I still just, oh my gosh.

995
00:49:44,320 --> 00:49:46,519
I'm like, they don't actually show it, right, I can't remember.

996
00:49:46,559 --> 00:49:47,119
I can't remember.

997
00:49:47,239 --> 00:49:48,719
Speaker 3: But then yep, they.

998
00:49:48,639 --> 00:49:52,440
Speaker 4: Show it, and uh, I mean he should have just

999
00:49:52,480 --> 00:49:54,480
gave him all the information if he was just gonna

1000
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:58,079
do that, right, Yeah, basically, come on, if you're gonna

1001
00:49:58,119 --> 00:50:05,000
go out reveal everything. But nonetheless, oh, I just want

1002
00:50:05,039 --> 00:50:07,480
to talk about Matt and his dad again, and just

1003
00:50:07,519 --> 00:50:10,159
like the flashbacks of Little Matt, and I really really

1004
00:50:10,239 --> 00:50:12,280
liked all those sequences. I liked how they I think

1005
00:50:12,320 --> 00:50:15,119
they did a good job at showing like that the

1006
00:50:15,239 --> 00:50:20,880
dad like he understands what he's doing is like morally wrong,

1007
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:22,920
and he wants to like be a good example for

1008
00:50:23,239 --> 00:50:26,280
his son, but he's also balancing like this is also

1009
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:29,320
how he gets money to like, you know, support his son,

1010
00:50:29,400 --> 00:50:33,719
and he just really wants a better life for young

1011
00:50:33,760 --> 00:50:36,679
Matt there, and he just really feels like a loving

1012
00:50:36,719 --> 00:50:38,960
father even though he's kind of stuck in like the

1013
00:50:39,000 --> 00:50:43,280
criminal world, you know, throwing fights. And I just really

1014
00:50:43,360 --> 00:50:46,159
liked how that little arc for that character went. And

1015
00:50:46,480 --> 00:50:49,079
when he you know, just put all the money on me,

1016
00:50:49,199 --> 00:50:51,599
I'm gonna fucking kill this guy, and then he does it,

1017
00:50:51,639 --> 00:50:54,480
and then he's running for his life afterwards and just

1018
00:50:54,559 --> 00:50:57,239
puts it all in Matt's name, And yeah, no, he

1019
00:50:57,559 --> 00:50:59,920
got what was coming to him, you know, the bad

1020
00:51:00,039 --> 00:51:02,679
guys got him. But no, I really really liked all

1021
00:51:02,719 --> 00:51:05,320
of those flashback sequences and I don't know, I I

1022
00:51:05,519 --> 00:51:07,639
think it was a good amount of them too. Like

1023
00:51:07,880 --> 00:51:11,039
it really I think did a good job at like

1024
00:51:12,000 --> 00:51:17,039
showing certain lessons and like foundational growth that like young

1025
00:51:17,079 --> 00:51:20,079
Matt would have got that carries into like Matt Murdock

1026
00:51:20,159 --> 00:51:23,360
the lawyer, and it just I don't know, I like

1027
00:51:24,280 --> 00:51:26,760
it really feels like those two characters are one and

1028
00:51:26,800 --> 00:51:29,119
the same and like Matt is who he is because

1029
00:51:29,159 --> 00:51:31,199
a lot of those sequences that happened between him and

1030
00:51:31,239 --> 00:51:33,280
his dad back in the day. And yeah, I just

1031
00:51:33,360 --> 00:51:35,199
I thought all of the scenes were really good and

1032
00:51:35,599 --> 00:51:38,400
I thought the young the young boy actor was it

1033
00:51:38,440 --> 00:51:39,239
was was good.

1034
00:51:39,440 --> 00:51:46,239
Speaker 1: So yeah, well said trying to think what else is

1035
00:51:46,280 --> 00:51:48,159
there too to cover?

1036
00:51:50,840 --> 00:51:52,559
Speaker 3: Kind of hit all the big what kind of hit

1037
00:51:52,559 --> 00:51:54,239
all the big things?

1038
00:51:54,840 --> 00:51:55,079
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1039
00:51:56,199 --> 00:52:00,760
Speaker 4: Oh the one Russian guy that was like kind of

1040
00:52:00,840 --> 00:52:02,719
forced to work with Matt. You know, Matt was like

1041
00:52:02,760 --> 00:52:04,079
trying to keep him alive as much.

1042
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:06,880
Speaker 3: As possible, and he's just like, suck my dick.

1043
00:52:07,360 --> 00:52:11,360
Speaker 4: Then he goes out dies, Matt like resuscitates him, brings

1044
00:52:11,400 --> 00:52:14,960
him back to life, and he's just still not wanting

1045
00:52:15,000 --> 00:52:16,079
to cooperate with him.

1046
00:52:16,639 --> 00:52:18,400
Speaker 3: Uh. Kind of a funny character.

1047
00:52:18,480 --> 00:52:21,039
Speaker 4: I like how like in the end, like he did

1048
00:52:21,119 --> 00:52:23,960
end up revealing some things for him, but uh yeah,

1049
00:52:24,039 --> 00:52:28,599
that guy was sour, very very vicious and the flashback sequences,

1050
00:52:28,639 --> 00:52:30,920
but when him and his brother are in like basically

1051
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:35,039
the Russian Gulags and they like rip the rib off

1052
00:52:35,079 --> 00:52:37,559
of like the dead guy, like that's like their weapon

1053
00:52:37,559 --> 00:52:39,440
to get out. Oh my god, man, I could like

1054
00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:41,119
feel it in my own ribs when he was doing that.

1055
00:52:41,199 --> 00:52:45,239
It was it was gnarly. So good job at showcasing

1056
00:52:45,320 --> 00:52:47,800
how hard those characters were.

1057
00:52:49,519 --> 00:52:54,039
Speaker 1: Yeah, they were going pretty hard. Jeez, Luise, Oh my goodness.

1058
00:52:54,079 --> 00:52:54,599
But yeah, they were.

1059
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:58,960
Speaker 2: They were fun characters. Fortunate the one getting axed and popped,

1060
00:52:59,000 --> 00:53:01,480
and yeah, the other one who's just kind of like

1061
00:53:01,480 --> 00:53:05,000
going on this killing spree, and yeah, Daredevil kind of

1062
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:07,320
saves him. And then you get this, as you said,

1063
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:11,639
this reluctant team up after all this like very toxic

1064
00:53:11,719 --> 00:53:16,320
conversation inside this warehouse, and it was that whole scene

1065
00:53:16,440 --> 00:53:18,719
was crazy because that's when obviously you have the cops

1066
00:53:18,840 --> 00:53:21,800
killing cops with fist giving the orders. But then even

1067
00:53:21,800 --> 00:53:23,599
when they have the one cop who went in their

1068
00:53:23,639 --> 00:53:25,639
bag like just to check it out, and he's tied

1069
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:28,719
up to the post, and you got Matt.

1070
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:32,760
Speaker 1: And the one Russian guy just kind of like leaving.

1071
00:53:34,400 --> 00:53:36,760
You then have the SWAT coming in.

1072
00:53:36,880 --> 00:53:38,719
Speaker 2: They're like they know how to play it, right, They

1073
00:53:38,800 --> 00:53:41,199
got to blame this on Daredevil and make Daredevil the

1074
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:44,960
bad guys. So they're like, oh, no survivors and they

1075
00:53:45,039 --> 00:53:46,119
just pop the cop.

1076
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:49,400
Speaker 1: And it's like, holy shit, like this is just crazy.

1077
00:53:49,519 --> 00:53:54,559
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, he knew he was fucked when he's like, oh,

1078
00:53:54,719 --> 00:53:58,719
officers dead, Like what, Yeah, you don't want to hear

1079
00:53:58,800 --> 00:54:04,000
that before live ye Oh my goodness, what else do

1080
00:54:04,079 --> 00:54:04,639
we got here?

1081
00:54:04,679 --> 00:54:05,400
Speaker 1: I can't think of.

1082
00:54:05,360 --> 00:54:08,920
Speaker 4: Anything else, anything else really to talk about.

1083
00:54:08,960 --> 00:54:09,679
Speaker 1: Still my notes.

1084
00:54:11,360 --> 00:54:15,000
Speaker 2: Well, so in closing, for me, this this show has

1085
00:54:15,039 --> 00:54:18,519
been an absolute delight. It's been a complete surprise, and

1086
00:54:18,719 --> 00:54:21,000
the attention to the characters is great, and just being

1087
00:54:21,039 --> 00:54:24,800
able to start off as a pretty much just like

1088
00:54:24,920 --> 00:54:26,840
an origin story has been awesome.

1089
00:54:27,039 --> 00:54:28,760
Speaker 1: I really really like it, and I think.

1090
00:54:28,880 --> 00:54:31,760
Speaker 2: Charlie Cox has a wonderful job as Matt Murdoch, and

1091
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:32,360
I think that.

1092
00:54:32,400 --> 00:54:34,800
Speaker 1: It's it's just been a good time, and I'm excited

1093
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:35,320
the fact that.

1094
00:54:35,280 --> 00:54:38,199
Speaker 2: We got two more seasons and I might I know

1095
00:54:38,280 --> 00:54:40,559
we're not gonna cover it. We're not going to cover Defenders,

1096
00:54:40,559 --> 00:54:42,519
even though Matt Murdock is in there. I think I

1097
00:54:42,599 --> 00:54:45,000
might watch it just for my own personal benefit, just

1098
00:54:45,039 --> 00:54:47,559
to get a little bit more Matt Murdoch. I just

1099
00:54:47,599 --> 00:54:50,119
see how he's kind of connected with all these other characters.

1100
00:54:51,880 --> 00:54:54,119
But yeah, ultimately, I'm gonna I'm gonna give this season

1101
00:54:54,199 --> 00:54:57,320
one a. I'm gonna go ten out of ten, just

1102
00:54:57,320 --> 00:54:59,400
because I really really like it so far. I think

1103
00:54:59,440 --> 00:55:03,599
it's absolute banger and I just don't have any problems

1104
00:55:03,639 --> 00:55:03,920
with it.

1105
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:05,599
Speaker 1: I just I really really like it.

1106
00:55:05,960 --> 00:55:08,519
Speaker 2: Actually, No, no, no, I remind myself nine point five out

1107
00:55:08,559 --> 00:55:11,480
of ten in the middle of the season Stick episode.

1108
00:55:11,960 --> 00:55:14,119
Speaker 1: I just don't like how it's super super just out

1109
00:55:14,159 --> 00:55:14,679
of place.

1110
00:55:14,760 --> 00:55:18,039
Speaker 2: I feel like it needs to play more of a

1111
00:55:18,079 --> 00:55:20,519
connection to the main story. I don't like when it's like,

1112
00:55:21,000 --> 00:55:23,639
to me, it feels incomplete because they're banking on this

1113
00:55:23,800 --> 00:55:26,400
being a season two thing, and it's like, no, season

1114
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:29,320
one should just be a complete whole season one and

1115
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:32,599
I think that they're trying to establish that by having

1116
00:55:32,679 --> 00:55:37,280
Stick be the mentor instructor for Matt Murdoch, but you

1117
00:55:37,440 --> 00:55:40,320
still have this dynamic of him going to some bigger

1118
00:55:40,400 --> 00:55:43,440
higher boss or pupil or something like that. It's like, ah, well,

1119
00:55:43,559 --> 00:55:46,039
that's that's a season two thing or season three thing.

1120
00:55:46,679 --> 00:55:50,039
This season one needs to be just a complete cycle

1121
00:55:50,599 --> 00:55:55,800
circle story. So if that makes sense, Yeah, great show.

1122
00:55:57,400 --> 00:56:01,320
Speaker 4: Yeah this was of surprise to me. I knew this

1123
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:03,360
show was going to be amazing because I had seen

1124
00:56:03,400 --> 00:56:05,519
most of this first season, and I you know, like,

1125
00:56:06,079 --> 00:56:08,480
although I had seen it before, as I was going

1126
00:56:08,519 --> 00:56:11,280
along like it was, it was still very fresh to me.

1127
00:56:11,360 --> 00:56:13,480
It wasn't ntil like after the moments happened, it's like, oh, okay,

1128
00:56:13,519 --> 00:56:15,599
I kind of remember this happening, but I couldn't really

1129
00:56:15,679 --> 00:56:17,920
remember what was going to be happening, and so it

1130
00:56:17,960 --> 00:56:21,000
was a nice fresh experience for sure. Again, And yeah,

1131
00:56:21,039 --> 00:56:23,599
I don't think it's a perfect season one for me.

1132
00:56:24,480 --> 00:56:26,679
I think I have a little bit of holdbacks with

1133
00:56:27,119 --> 00:56:30,559
some things around Fisk and it's really like nitpicky stuff

1134
00:56:30,639 --> 00:56:34,079
like how I was mentioning of just like he just

1135
00:56:34,119 --> 00:56:38,000
seems like he would be like he is the kingpin,

1136
00:56:38,159 --> 00:56:40,239
but we don't see a lot of like what.

1137
00:56:40,400 --> 00:56:42,039
Speaker 3: Got him there, And I.

1138
00:56:42,039 --> 00:56:43,840
Speaker 4: Don't know if this would have been better or worse

1139
00:56:43,880 --> 00:56:45,480
if we got more of that. It's just like in

1140
00:56:45,519 --> 00:56:48,119
those moments, that's how I was feeling, and some of

1141
00:56:48,280 --> 00:56:51,119
the moments when he's really like losing his shit over Vanessa.

1142
00:56:50,840 --> 00:56:51,760
Speaker 3: And just being pathetic.

1143
00:56:53,119 --> 00:56:55,119
Speaker 4: I think it's acted well, but it just for me,

1144
00:56:55,280 --> 00:56:58,440
it seemed a little bit corny, a little bit cheesy,

1145
00:56:58,480 --> 00:57:01,440
but I was still still very very solid. I'm with

1146
00:57:01,519 --> 00:57:04,039
you with the stick stuff as well. I think they

1147
00:57:04,079 --> 00:57:06,320
could have done a little bit more this season with it.

1148
00:57:06,400 --> 00:57:09,360
So I think I'll also give it a nine point

1149
00:57:09,400 --> 00:57:13,519
five because it is still fantastic. We didn't really mention

1150
00:57:13,639 --> 00:57:16,360
him a lot. Charlie Cox but like he's just he's

1151
00:57:16,400 --> 00:57:19,320
so fantastic as mad here and I can't, like it

1152
00:57:19,400 --> 00:57:21,920
must be so difficult playing like a blind person just

1153
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:25,559
for like not looking around and like just trying to

1154
00:57:25,559 --> 00:57:28,000
fight those urges when you would like normally, you know,

1155
00:57:28,119 --> 00:57:30,760
discourse with someone by looking at them, like just I

1156
00:57:30,760 --> 00:57:33,119
think he does a good job at all of the mannerisms,

1157
00:57:33,159 --> 00:57:36,360
and obviously he's he looks like he can kick ass,

1158
00:57:36,440 --> 00:57:38,119
and he looks like he's gotten his ass kicked.

1159
00:57:38,599 --> 00:57:40,960
Speaker 3: They do a good job with the makeup and everything.

1160
00:57:41,000 --> 00:57:44,320
Speaker 4: And there's many moments when they just show, like especially

1161
00:57:44,320 --> 00:57:46,280
when Claire is like stitching them up and stuff. I'm like,

1162
00:57:46,719 --> 00:57:49,159
this guy should be dead like tonight, like he like

1163
00:57:49,239 --> 00:57:52,559
he is. They found him in a dumpster like stab wounds,

1164
00:57:52,639 --> 00:57:54,559
Like I don't know if he's like Wolverine that he

1165
00:57:54,639 --> 00:57:57,119
just gets like crazy regeneration, but it seems like he

1166
00:57:57,119 --> 00:57:59,079
should be on bed rest for like months with some

1167
00:57:59,159 --> 00:58:02,760
of these beings he gets. But hey, Murdocks never stay down, right,

1168
00:58:02,760 --> 00:58:06,039
they get back up. So yeah, I liked all that stuff,

1169
00:58:06,079 --> 00:58:09,880
and I think I may I might be wrong, but

1170
00:58:09,880 --> 00:58:12,320
I think Punisher is in season two, so I'm I'm

1171
00:58:12,519 --> 00:58:15,000
very excited to see Frank Castle and of course John

1172
00:58:15,039 --> 00:58:18,079
Bernthal's performance because he was really really good from what

1173
00:58:18,119 --> 00:58:23,159
I had seen in the first season of Punisher. So yeah,

1174
00:58:23,360 --> 00:58:26,239
looking forward to it. Glad we're finally on this journey

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kitchen together.

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Speaker 1: Yes, very very happy about this.

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Speaker 2: And yeah, I mean you can come back and tune

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into our season two retro when we get to that.

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Speaker 1: But again, these are gonna be dropping.

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Speaker 2: I think right away on the patron feed, but I

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think we're gonna be aiming for monthly. So season two

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probably be January, and then season three will be February,

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and then March is uh yeah go time, so born again.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so oh that is it.

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Speaker 2: That concludes our first episode one one season one retrospective

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of Daredevil.

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Speaker 1: I hope you enjoyed it.

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Speaker 2: We're excited to come back with our next one, so

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stay tuned, but until then, could find us with your

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connection in the search bar.

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Speaker 1: Have a good one bye,