WEBVTT 1 00:00:01.399 --> 00:00:02.359 Lents side. 2 00:00:02.720 --> 00:00:06.559 We call the winds the loud and right by the same. 3 00:00:06.400 --> 00:00:11.320 Of the lads, we stand as one in a low being. 4 00:00:11.480 --> 00:00:15.560 On nighty four we hadle in hand, strike down the pear, 5 00:00:15.960 --> 00:00:21.160 protect this land. Oh it's all father, seeker for so 6 00:00:21.879 --> 00:00:24.839 guide our souls to the sacred rhythm. 7 00:00:25.039 --> 00:00:29.079 Franks, Queen of the Heart's home with love and grace 8 00:00:29.239 --> 00:00:29.839 makes a soul. 9 00:00:31.320 --> 00:00:33.960 Sir, just with your eye might. 10 00:00:34.520 --> 00:00:39.920 Guide us through the darken night hell. The mistress of life, Banta, 11 00:00:40.560 --> 00:00:45.159 show us the path with every breath, pray out gars 12 00:00:45.200 --> 00:00:46.399 of love and more. 13 00:00:46.960 --> 00:00:50.600 We honor you know and forever more. 14 00:00:51.840 --> 00:00:54.320 Than us to lease us. 15 00:00:54.840 --> 00:00:59.159 We call the rooms we seek you goals useles right 16 00:00:59.280 --> 00:01:00.039 o't care. 17 00:01:00.520 --> 00:01:04.719 We say away loco. 18 00:01:09.040 --> 00:01:10.319 Weensas three. 19 00:01:12.760 --> 00:01:19.799 Wis Hey there? 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He's all about 33 00:02:09.280 --> 00:02:11.400 all about the rooms, and since I am doing more 34 00:02:11.439 --> 00:02:14.960 with the rooms, I thought, why not invite the one 35 00:02:15.080 --> 00:02:17.599 guy that I know who is all about it, who 36 00:02:17.759 --> 00:02:22.960 knows all about it. And yeah, like we got it 37 00:02:23.000 --> 00:02:29.520 scheduled in two days, like we confirmed it last last Monday, 38 00:02:29.719 --> 00:02:33.280 like it was rather quick. So yeah, like, first of all, 39 00:02:33.319 --> 00:02:38.280 thank you for for coming on. And for those not 40 00:02:38.479 --> 00:02:42.000 familiar with with you yet, and you know they should be, 41 00:02:42.599 --> 00:02:45.039 so yeah, introduce you have a little man like what 42 00:02:45.120 --> 00:02:47.400 do you do? What are you about? Aside from you know, 43 00:02:47.639 --> 00:02:48.560 the rooms of course? 44 00:02:49.039 --> 00:02:52.039 Okay, I I'm Andre you still like you just said, 45 00:02:53.639 --> 00:02:57.120 I'm an author tattoo artist during the day. 46 00:02:57.199 --> 00:03:01.080 That's my day job, specializing in Nordy art. 47 00:03:01.840 --> 00:03:08.159 And yeah, I'm a magician, witkey, wizard, whatever you want 48 00:03:08.240 --> 00:03:12.719 to call it. I suppose most people online know me 49 00:03:12.919 --> 00:03:16.919 as Norse runa where I do like buying rooms and 50 00:03:17.560 --> 00:03:21.960 Nordic art designed mostly for tattoos, t shirts, stuff like that. 51 00:03:23.479 --> 00:03:26.080 Do a few courses as well. I've got a Rooin 52 00:03:26.159 --> 00:03:30.680 course going on at the moment. Yeah, I've been into 53 00:03:30.879 --> 00:03:33.439 ruins for like more than. 54 00:03:33.400 --> 00:03:36.240 Quarter of a century. Actually. 55 00:03:36.319 --> 00:03:38.960 The other day I went to my family home and 56 00:03:39.840 --> 00:03:42.479 went for old boxes and stuff, and I found the 57 00:03:42.560 --> 00:03:47.360 first book of rooms that I bought, and luckily it 58 00:03:47.439 --> 00:03:49.680 had like a little price tag on with the date, 59 00:03:50.479 --> 00:03:52.000 and it's nineteen ninety five. 60 00:03:53.879 --> 00:03:55.000 So yeah, quite a while. 61 00:03:56.759 --> 00:03:59.000 I was three years old in nineteen ninety. 62 00:04:01.840 --> 00:04:04.400 I think I was fourteen or fifteen something like that. 63 00:04:05.840 --> 00:04:09.759 Okay, okay, oh, but that's that's young to like get 64 00:04:09.879 --> 00:04:10.800 into the Yeah. 65 00:04:10.840 --> 00:04:14.280 I was always kind of like interested in like the 66 00:04:14.400 --> 00:04:19.040 occult and sigils and stuff like that, and I don't know, 67 00:04:19.319 --> 00:04:22.759 run's just kind of spoke to me. It's like everything 68 00:04:22.879 --> 00:04:27.199 I read was kind of like something I already knew. 69 00:04:27.800 --> 00:04:30.000 It was just someone saying it again. 70 00:04:30.319 --> 00:04:36.600 Oh interesting, So like knowledge that you in a way 71 00:04:36.759 --> 00:04:40.600 already possessed, but for good you felt something. 72 00:04:41.000 --> 00:04:43.920 It really felt like that. It felt like someone's like, hey, 73 00:04:44.000 --> 00:04:45.199 do you just remember this? 74 00:04:47.040 --> 00:04:54.319 Yeah, oh that's interesting. I've actually I've heard that before recently, 75 00:04:54.519 --> 00:04:58.720 not not sure where, but that you know, like reading 76 00:04:58.759 --> 00:05:01.560 a text and it's like I know this, like I 77 00:05:01.680 --> 00:05:04.839 already knew this. Yeah, well this is the first time 78 00:05:04.879 --> 00:05:07.319 I'm reading it, like I shouldn't. 79 00:05:06.959 --> 00:05:11.639 Know this, It's like that's that's exactly Yeah, that's exactly 80 00:05:11.680 --> 00:05:13.000 how I felt about the rooms. 81 00:05:13.160 --> 00:05:18.199 So yeah, so like a true true blood memory of 82 00:05:18.800 --> 00:05:19.160 I think. 83 00:05:19.279 --> 00:05:21.879 So, I think I think it does have to do 84 00:05:22.199 --> 00:05:26.040 with with heritage and stuff like that. I don't think 85 00:05:26.079 --> 00:05:29.240 it's a closed practice by any means, but I think 86 00:05:29.319 --> 00:05:31.040 it does help in a way. 87 00:05:32.879 --> 00:05:33.279 Mm hmm. 88 00:05:34.519 --> 00:05:39.519 Yeah, yeah, a lot of people will. I mean, there 89 00:05:39.720 --> 00:05:44.000 there are all sites. Of course. I'm quite curious how 90 00:05:44.079 --> 00:05:46.959 you think about this obviously, like you just said, like 91 00:05:47.079 --> 00:05:50.959 you don't think it's a it's a closed practice, but 92 00:05:51.199 --> 00:05:55.600 like do you think anyone can learnt the rooms or 93 00:05:55.959 --> 00:05:56.079 is it? 94 00:05:56.279 --> 00:05:59.040 Like yeah, in a way, I do think that, but. 95 00:06:00.800 --> 00:06:03.839 Like, for instance, like I kind of knew it, like 96 00:06:04.000 --> 00:06:07.040 it's like someone just telling me what to remember. I 97 00:06:07.120 --> 00:06:11.360 don't think if you have no cultural reference to it 98 00:06:12.079 --> 00:06:16.120 that you'll have that, but you can still learn about it. 99 00:06:16.399 --> 00:06:20.600 I mean I can learn voodoo or who do or whatever. 100 00:06:21.199 --> 00:06:24.920 But I don't have any Western African do say, well 101 00:06:25.079 --> 00:06:25.680 that I know of? 102 00:06:27.639 --> 00:06:31.079 Yeah, yeah, I mean you're you're quite pale from that 103 00:06:35.600 --> 00:06:38.160 obviously nowadays, that doesn't mean anything anyway, that. 104 00:06:38.160 --> 00:06:43.319 Doesn't mean anything. No, true, true No. 105 00:06:43.560 --> 00:06:49.279 I actually, like just a few weeks ago going into 106 00:06:50.480 --> 00:06:55.120 we've going into week three or week four on my Patreon, 107 00:06:55.199 --> 00:06:58.720 I've been reading The Night Side of the Rooms, Okay, 108 00:07:00.519 --> 00:07:04.000 which is a it's a really interesting book, but it 109 00:07:04.120 --> 00:07:11.160 really takes it from a like in occult perspective, nicala 110 00:07:13.399 --> 00:07:20.519 like connecting the ruins with like Gabala obviously with numerology 111 00:07:21.279 --> 00:07:26.240 even and making a lot of sense. So it's it's 112 00:07:26.399 --> 00:07:28.680 pretty it's really interesting. 113 00:07:29.639 --> 00:07:32.360 I've heard about that, but I haven't personally read that book. 114 00:07:33.759 --> 00:07:39.000 Oh I can. I can definitely recommend it. It's I mean, 115 00:07:39.079 --> 00:07:44.680 the first chapter is a little frustrating in the way 116 00:07:44.759 --> 00:07:48.000 that you know, in in in how it's written, it's 117 00:07:48.079 --> 00:07:52.639 kind of confusing, like it will repeat itself or contradict itself. 118 00:07:54.800 --> 00:07:59.480 But then we actually go into the ruins. It's it's 119 00:07:59.560 --> 00:08:04.959 quite ill elaborate, and I I'm enjoying it so far, 120 00:08:05.560 --> 00:08:08.959 and I want to touch on you, Like you said, 121 00:08:09.040 --> 00:08:15.040 you were also doing bind rooms, which is very very popular, 122 00:08:15.240 --> 00:08:19.319 and especially if you look on sites like uh Pinterest 123 00:08:20.240 --> 00:08:26.800 for example, which is a free for all. Really everyone 124 00:08:27.040 --> 00:08:32.240 just seems to make up their own bind room. I 125 00:08:32.399 --> 00:08:38.240 know that our i'd my my right hand man in 126 00:08:38.360 --> 00:08:43.480 the in the tripe has created a as created one 127 00:08:43.720 --> 00:08:46.639 for you know, for the growing or pagans. But like 128 00:08:46.720 --> 00:08:49.000 he did it all officially and you know, blooded it 129 00:08:49.320 --> 00:08:56.039 and did the whole thing. But can anyone just you know, 130 00:08:56.480 --> 00:08:59.120 squeeze a couple of rooms together make it look pretty 131 00:08:59.200 --> 00:09:03.279 insane here's a blind room? Or is there like actually 132 00:09:03.600 --> 00:09:06.639 more to it with the chance of like disappointing all 133 00:09:06.679 --> 00:09:07.600 the pinterest gurlies. 134 00:09:09.159 --> 00:09:13.159 Technically, I suppose you can just anyone squeeze anything together. 135 00:09:13.799 --> 00:09:18.440 But the thing is, the rooms aren't just letters. I 136 00:09:18.559 --> 00:09:24.279 mean they're spirits. They're that their entities you should have 137 00:09:24.360 --> 00:09:27.519 a relationship with. It's like calling on the gods or 138 00:09:27.960 --> 00:09:31.600 the ancestors or something. You shouldn't call on them if 139 00:09:31.799 --> 00:09:34.879 you're not gonna listen. So if you're just gonna treat 140 00:09:34.960 --> 00:09:40.480 it as like an alphabet, yeah, it's I get so 141 00:09:40.679 --> 00:09:44.240 many clients in my tattoo practice. I get so many 142 00:09:44.320 --> 00:09:44.799 clients that. 143 00:09:44.919 --> 00:09:48.080 Bring me these behind dreams and it's like it really 144 00:09:48.159 --> 00:09:53.000 doesn't say anything. I'm sorry. It's like they're treating it 145 00:09:53.279 --> 00:09:59.080 like it's initials or something and or they're trying to 146 00:09:59.320 --> 00:10:03.360 write some thing in English in like elder who fork, 147 00:10:03.440 --> 00:10:09.080 which is for like proto Norse. Yeah, you've you've got 148 00:10:09.200 --> 00:10:10.519 to know your stuff, I suppose. 149 00:10:11.360 --> 00:10:17.240 Yeah, yeah, I mean the translation translation is difficult as 150 00:10:17.320 --> 00:10:20.039 it is, especially you know, in in context. 151 00:10:21.279 --> 00:10:22.679 Yeah, the thing is sorry. 152 00:10:23.600 --> 00:10:27.159 No, I think it's very difficult with if you use 153 00:10:27.240 --> 00:10:33.600 the wrong runing system for the wrong language, for English 154 00:10:33.720 --> 00:10:37.200 or well any modern language. Really, I'll say it's the 155 00:10:37.360 --> 00:10:41.960 safest bit to use like medieval Runes, which is kind 156 00:10:42.000 --> 00:10:45.960 of like younger through farc with stunge rouns and stuff, 157 00:10:45.960 --> 00:10:51.279 because the sounds is different. You can't use something that's 158 00:10:51.720 --> 00:10:54.879 meant for old Norse and just all of a sudden 159 00:10:55.039 --> 00:10:59.879 right English with it. So you've got to have the 160 00:11:00.039 --> 00:11:03.360 write runic system for the language that you're going to 161 00:11:03.480 --> 00:11:04.080 use as well. 162 00:11:05.679 --> 00:11:05.879 Yeah. 163 00:11:06.879 --> 00:11:10.960 Like it almost sounds like people are treating it like 164 00:11:13.279 --> 00:11:18.320 like the Chinese and Japanese character tattoos that you'll sometimes see, 165 00:11:18.519 --> 00:11:23.919 like thinking it means something just incredibly profound, while you 166 00:11:24.000 --> 00:11:26.919 know they just tattooed like chicken soup or something. 167 00:11:28.840 --> 00:11:32.720 True story, a friend of mine, I didn't do the tattoo, 168 00:11:32.799 --> 00:11:37.120 by the way, but a friend of mine got something 169 00:11:37.320 --> 00:11:41.720 on the back of his shoulder that says the path 170 00:11:41.759 --> 00:11:45.000 of the Righteous Warrior, and he went to China. 171 00:11:45.679 --> 00:11:49.120 It says two spring rolls please. They literally copied it 172 00:11:49.320 --> 00:11:54.159 off me. Oh that is. 173 00:11:55.799 --> 00:11:56.440 Not the same. 174 00:11:57.200 --> 00:11:59.639 Yeah, so yeah, it is kind of like that, like 175 00:11:59.799 --> 00:12:04.879 that eighties nineties tribal tattoo fad. That's almost what bind 176 00:12:04.960 --> 00:12:07.840 rooms are becoming these days. I suppose I've been dressed 177 00:12:07.879 --> 00:12:08.639 and stuff like that. 178 00:12:09.679 --> 00:12:14.720 Oh no, that's terrible, that's terrible. I mean tattoos like 179 00:12:14.960 --> 00:12:16.759 that was already terrible when it was a. 180 00:12:16.840 --> 00:12:25.399 Trend yay, oh man, all No, tribal tattoos is kind 181 00:12:25.440 --> 00:12:29.960 of what got me into my whole Nordic artwork, because 182 00:12:30.000 --> 00:12:33.200 the thing is, when I started tattooing, there was this 183 00:12:33.440 --> 00:12:37.279 like nineties tribal neo tribal, which doesn't really mean anything, 184 00:12:37.399 --> 00:12:40.879 doesn't come from any tribe, it's just supposed to kind 185 00:12:40.919 --> 00:12:45.360 of look a little bit tribal. And my problem was, 186 00:12:46.200 --> 00:12:50.240 you get stuff for different African tribes, you get stuff 187 00:12:50.799 --> 00:12:55.000 for New Zealand, you get a lot of tribal stuff, 188 00:12:55.360 --> 00:12:59.639 but at that time you didn't really get European tribal 189 00:13:01.440 --> 00:13:06.399 and well, it wasn't common knowledge factor that way, and 190 00:13:06.559 --> 00:13:08.159 that's kind of what got me into it. 191 00:13:10.679 --> 00:13:18.240 Oh okay, oh interesting, Like yeah, it's it's always if 192 00:13:18.279 --> 00:13:24.080 it's like actual tribal, it's always some other country and 193 00:13:24.240 --> 00:13:27.200 like yeah, a lot of African, a lot of like 194 00:13:28.000 --> 00:13:35.440 rc KEI we Yeah. So but then what is European 195 00:13:35.600 --> 00:13:36.200 tribal like? 196 00:13:36.399 --> 00:13:39.799 Is that like, well, we're not really a thing. It's 197 00:13:39.879 --> 00:13:42.320 it's kind of like Nordic work. It's like not work. 198 00:13:42.399 --> 00:13:47.840 It's Nordic or Celtic not work. Really some Slavic designs 199 00:13:47.879 --> 00:13:51.639 I suppose as well, But yeah, it's it's it's mostly 200 00:13:52.159 --> 00:13:53.279 not work based. 201 00:13:54.600 --> 00:13:56.759 So not like it's it's tribal, but it's not. 202 00:13:57.759 --> 00:13:59.240 It's not really tribal. 203 00:13:59.320 --> 00:14:03.919 But that's the closest thing that that they got when 204 00:14:04.000 --> 00:14:06.080 they were living in a tribal society. 205 00:14:07.679 --> 00:14:12.840 Yeah, okay, okay, so that is what what got you 206 00:14:12.960 --> 00:14:16.519 into tattooing. Oh that's you don't hear that often. Actually, 207 00:14:18.000 --> 00:14:19.360 how long have you been tattooing for? 208 00:14:20.519 --> 00:14:27.080 About twenty two years? Well next week I'll be forty three. 209 00:14:29.159 --> 00:14:34.120 Wow, okay, that is that's quite a while. And you 210 00:14:34.240 --> 00:14:36.759 do like a lot of a lot of rooms. 211 00:14:38.720 --> 00:14:44.919 Yeah, yeah, I try to I do everything really. I 212 00:14:45.039 --> 00:14:50.159 don't do only Nordic work exclusively, but I do specialize 213 00:14:50.399 --> 00:14:52.559 in that, so I do a lot of rooms, a 214 00:14:52.679 --> 00:14:55.200 lot of notwork sleeves and stuff like that. 215 00:14:55.480 --> 00:15:00.360 Yeah, So are there any like when I a client 216 00:15:00.480 --> 00:15:02.639 comes to you and ask you for, you know, like 217 00:15:02.960 --> 00:15:08.120 a Nordic tattoo in like the most general sense, Like 218 00:15:08.799 --> 00:15:10.399 you know, you have those people to like, oh I 219 00:15:10.440 --> 00:15:11.320 want a Nordic tattoo. 220 00:15:11.679 --> 00:15:13.879 Okay, okay, yeah, but they don't have any clue what 221 00:15:14.039 --> 00:15:14.759 Nordic tattoo. 222 00:15:15.159 --> 00:15:17.840 It's like, okay, but what do you want? Like are 223 00:15:17.919 --> 00:15:21.440 there any free requisites? Like can it just be like, oh, 224 00:15:21.519 --> 00:15:24.360 you know, I just think it's really cool, or is 225 00:15:24.399 --> 00:15:27.320 there like a kind of a checklist. 226 00:15:27.080 --> 00:15:32.879 Or whatever the client wants he gets really, I mean, 227 00:15:33.000 --> 00:15:37.360 I can give him directions and normally if he has 228 00:15:37.480 --> 00:15:40.519 no clue what he wants, sometimes they don't even know 229 00:15:40.840 --> 00:15:45.679 on what area they want the tattoo, I'll sit them down, 230 00:15:46.799 --> 00:15:49.720 have like a little consultation with them, say for like 231 00:15:49.840 --> 00:15:54.120 fifteen fifteen minutes whatever, and just talk about random stuff. 232 00:15:55.279 --> 00:16:00.840 If he doesn't even know anything of Norse mythology anything 233 00:16:01.000 --> 00:16:04.720 like that, just ask him what's your favorite animal? And 234 00:16:05.399 --> 00:16:07.360 you can built like a whole. 235 00:16:07.360 --> 00:16:09.440 Body suit basically based on that. 236 00:16:10.759 --> 00:16:15.159 I mean, there's such cool Wolf designs or Raven designs 237 00:16:15.279 --> 00:16:19.159 or stuff like that. Yeah, so I try to inform 238 00:16:19.279 --> 00:16:22.799 them as much as I can, but yeah, sometimes they 239 00:16:22.919 --> 00:16:24.679 just want to get something because it's pretty. 240 00:16:26.360 --> 00:16:29.679 Yeah, I mean that you know that works like Wolf 241 00:16:29.720 --> 00:16:32.840 and Raven. I I actually have those on my Yeah, 242 00:16:33.600 --> 00:16:39.120 I got the cool for my for my wife. That's 243 00:16:39.240 --> 00:16:43.080 her spirit animal, guardian animal. And then like, I mean, yeah, 244 00:16:43.120 --> 00:16:50.759 it's cool, but okay, and those are the the two 245 00:16:51.159 --> 00:16:54.080 biggest projects, the two biggest ones that I have. And 246 00:16:54.519 --> 00:16:58.279 I have a design that I still need to get 247 00:16:59.720 --> 00:17:05.440 needyet inked, which is kind of in the same thing. Actually, 248 00:17:05.599 --> 00:17:08.039 Like now that I'm talking to you, I would I 249 00:17:08.240 --> 00:17:11.240 kind of like your advice, and I like, I have 250 00:17:11.400 --> 00:17:16.880 a design of Orman Gander laying around that I need 251 00:17:17.000 --> 00:17:19.680 to get tattooed, which is, of course you know, it's 252 00:17:19.720 --> 00:17:24.359 a child Loki. We all know Loki. He is chaos being. 253 00:17:26.960 --> 00:17:32.160 Would you recommend like getting like a literal child of 254 00:17:32.319 --> 00:17:34.759 chaos tattooed on you? 255 00:17:35.480 --> 00:17:39.599 Yeah, well it depends on you as well on you personally, 256 00:17:39.720 --> 00:17:42.119 but I would I would love that. 257 00:17:43.720 --> 00:17:45.440 I actually have quite a. 258 00:17:45.480 --> 00:17:50.839 Relationship with like Norman Gander human fain Rear or her 259 00:17:51.000 --> 00:17:51.720 and fain Rear. 260 00:17:53.640 --> 00:17:58.240 I they're not all bad. There's some good in it. 261 00:17:59.400 --> 00:18:04.559 Norman got there isn't just unbridled chaos. It's kind of 262 00:18:04.759 --> 00:18:07.799 like the order that holds the world in place as well. 263 00:18:09.319 --> 00:18:13.160 And stuff like thin Rear. He's not just the crazy 264 00:18:13.240 --> 00:18:16.119 wolf that eats everything in his sight. I mean he 265 00:18:16.279 --> 00:18:21.240 got bound up for how long and restraint in everything, 266 00:18:21.359 --> 00:18:25.359 and now he's breaking loose and becoming the higher self 267 00:18:25.440 --> 00:18:26.759 that he's got to be. 268 00:18:27.839 --> 00:18:28.039 Yeah. 269 00:18:28.079 --> 00:18:32.559 So I suppose in all of these like evil creatures 270 00:18:32.680 --> 00:18:35.559 or whatever, you can see see the good in it 271 00:18:35.640 --> 00:18:36.000 as well. 272 00:18:38.039 --> 00:18:41.759 Fair enough, fair enough, like especially with family year Like 273 00:18:41.880 --> 00:18:44.920 if you you know, would buying me for I don't 274 00:18:44.960 --> 00:18:47.319 know how many years and I finally break free, I 275 00:18:47.359 --> 00:18:48.440 would go him as well. 276 00:18:48.960 --> 00:18:52.519 Yeah. And I mean you got bound just because they 277 00:18:52.559 --> 00:18:57.240 were afraid of you, not because you did anything. Yeah. 278 00:18:58.000 --> 00:18:59.279 Yeah like that. 279 00:18:59.480 --> 00:19:04.079 I I love the like the irony and in that hole, 280 00:19:04.720 --> 00:19:08.519 in that whole tale, it's like he's making it happen, 281 00:19:08.759 --> 00:19:12.200 Like he's making the premonition happen by trying to prevent 282 00:19:12.240 --> 00:19:12.839 the premonition. 283 00:19:13.680 --> 00:19:16.319 Probably he wasn't going to do anything. 284 00:19:17.759 --> 00:19:20.599 No, but like actually by actually you know, betraying him, 285 00:19:20.680 --> 00:19:24.960 deceiving him, trying to you know, stop that future from happening, 286 00:19:25.119 --> 00:19:29.839 he makes it happen, which is just beautiful irony. Really, 287 00:19:30.480 --> 00:19:33.359 I mean absolutely sucks because you know, racking rock. Yeah, 288 00:19:34.279 --> 00:19:36.839 not a good thing, but it's just the the the 289 00:19:36.960 --> 00:19:44.440 irony is is beautiful. I feel, would you deny like 290 00:19:44.880 --> 00:19:53.039 certain clients, like just for like Nors or just anything, like, 291 00:19:53.559 --> 00:19:57.640 is there stuff that you just absolutely will not do? 292 00:20:00.319 --> 00:20:04.200 So far, I haven't really encountered anyone that wants something 293 00:20:04.359 --> 00:20:10.519 that crazy people obviously wanted stuff that I wouldn't get 294 00:20:10.559 --> 00:20:15.960 on myself. But I don't think anyone really is in 295 00:20:16.079 --> 00:20:18.960 a position to tell you, hey, you're not allowed to 296 00:20:19.680 --> 00:20:21.799 get that or think that or whatever. 297 00:20:24.000 --> 00:20:26.480 Okay, I mean because you like you just said that. 298 00:20:26.880 --> 00:20:31.279 Sometimes people like they don't even know anything about Norse mythology, 299 00:20:31.359 --> 00:20:36.440 but they want like a Norse themed tattoo. And I mean, 300 00:20:36.559 --> 00:20:39.960 like I'm you know, just more of her client, more 301 00:20:40.000 --> 00:20:44.799 of her canvas. Well, like I'd say, well, if you 302 00:20:44.839 --> 00:20:49.400 don't know anything about it, then you know, like why 303 00:20:50.559 --> 00:20:52.720 why get one just like just because you think it's 304 00:20:52.720 --> 00:20:55.640 a pretty picture. I mean, yeah, I get it, it is. 305 00:20:56.680 --> 00:20:59.880 But like if you could, like you can choose any 306 00:21:00.039 --> 00:21:04.079 thing really, so why Norse mythology, I would, you know, 307 00:21:04.279 --> 00:21:06.079 kind of question that. 308 00:21:07.559 --> 00:21:08.000 The thing is. 309 00:21:08.079 --> 00:21:10.880 Yeah, if if that's kind of got no interest in 310 00:21:11.000 --> 00:21:13.559 it and they don't want to learn or anything like that, 311 00:21:15.000 --> 00:21:19.880 I'll do something like the animal thing that kind of 312 00:21:20.720 --> 00:21:23.440 Norse fiend and kind of looks. 313 00:21:23.240 --> 00:21:27.200 The way the client wants. But that's not really something 314 00:21:27.240 --> 00:21:29.799 out of the Adas or the Sagas or anything like that, 315 00:21:30.240 --> 00:21:32.480 something that's not really well religious. 316 00:21:33.039 --> 00:21:39.400 Yeah yeah, okay, so you just find like some middle grounds. 317 00:21:41.559 --> 00:21:44.200 It looks like it. You can tell all your friends like, oh, 318 00:21:44.240 --> 00:21:47.000 you know, I got this cool wolf tattoo because I'm like, 319 00:21:47.039 --> 00:21:50.920 oh norus stuff and whatever you're you know, but. 320 00:21:51.000 --> 00:21:53.559 It's not it's not thing real. It's not skull or 321 00:21:53.599 --> 00:21:55.279 houty or whatever. It's just a wolf. 322 00:21:57.200 --> 00:22:02.519 Yeah, okay, okay, okay, uh, I guess I'm too. 323 00:22:03.319 --> 00:22:03.480 Yeah. 324 00:22:03.559 --> 00:22:06.160 I mean that's why I'm not a tattoo artist a 325 00:22:06.240 --> 00:22:09.000 canvas instead, because I would have just said, like, but 326 00:22:09.079 --> 00:22:10.160 if you don't know anything. 327 00:22:09.920 --> 00:22:14.400 About it, no, just go learn, come back believe me. 328 00:22:14.759 --> 00:22:20.880 Patience Man tattoo art taught me so much patience with people. 329 00:22:22.920 --> 00:22:29.200 Being a canvas taught me patience. I mean, my my wolf, 330 00:22:29.359 --> 00:22:33.880 like it's the like the masterpiece so far eight hours. 331 00:22:35.279 --> 00:22:38.559 Holy shit, I was hurting at the end. 332 00:22:40.480 --> 00:22:45.319 Yeah, eight our sessions. It's not fun, but it's it's 333 00:22:45.400 --> 00:22:46.319 kind of the norm for me. 334 00:22:48.960 --> 00:22:53.519 Man, it's it's so bad, like but then the I 335 00:22:53.640 --> 00:22:58.680 mean I do love that. That wasn't actually the like 336 00:22:58.759 --> 00:23:01.400 an idea of the artist to put like the like 337 00:23:01.519 --> 00:23:05.880 the pink reddish around it so it would like really 338 00:23:06.920 --> 00:23:13.480 really pop. Yeah, but that was like the last oh god, 339 00:23:13.599 --> 00:23:18.359 like the last ten minutes or so ten to fifteen minutes, 340 00:23:19.039 --> 00:23:23.400 and that's always the worst day on and then like 341 00:23:23.599 --> 00:23:28.039 you know, like very close to you know, like very 342 00:23:28.119 --> 00:23:30.559 close on my wrist, very close to the crook of 343 00:23:30.599 --> 00:23:35.440 my elbow, which are such sensitive places. And then you're 344 00:23:35.599 --> 00:23:38.880 like already there for eight hours, like pretty much open 345 00:23:38.960 --> 00:23:42.680 to close. You know, you're literally as a canvas. You're 346 00:23:42.720 --> 00:23:45.759 the first one in then the last one out. It's like, man, 347 00:23:46.440 --> 00:23:49.799 and you're you're doing room churuses as well. 348 00:23:49.960 --> 00:23:50.559 So what is it that? 349 00:23:51.240 --> 00:23:56.400 Yes, about once a year I do. 350 00:23:56.960 --> 00:23:59.480 It's a well, it's it's on your own time. But 351 00:23:59.559 --> 00:24:02.480 it's normal about two maybe three month long. For course, 352 00:24:03.440 --> 00:24:07.160 it's all email based. So basically, I give you a module, 353 00:24:07.319 --> 00:24:08.279 I give you homework. 354 00:24:08.559 --> 00:24:13.319 I market it's Rune magic and bind rooms. 355 00:24:15.839 --> 00:24:19.039 So well then like what do you what do you 356 00:24:19.119 --> 00:24:21.920 teach I mean bind rooms? Like, yeah, we kind of 357 00:24:22.119 --> 00:24:24.319 we kind of got that. Just make sure it is 358 00:24:24.400 --> 00:24:27.160 what it actually says, not you know, like two spring companies. 359 00:24:27.480 --> 00:24:30.920 Okay, Well, first of all, I go through well, not all, 360 00:24:31.119 --> 00:24:38.440 but the majority of Nordic gods and spirits and land rights. 361 00:24:38.160 --> 00:24:39.319 And stuff like that, and. 362 00:24:41.519 --> 00:24:44.519 I need people to get like a feeling for the 363 00:24:44.559 --> 00:24:49.319 whole cosmology, to understand the realms and everything. Then I 364 00:24:49.440 --> 00:24:54.680 go through all the well all the historical NORDI Runich 365 00:24:54.799 --> 00:25:01.640 sets there's about six of them. And then and then yeah, 366 00:25:01.880 --> 00:25:04.279 then I teach them that like the different styles of 367 00:25:04.440 --> 00:25:09.359 bind rooms and stuff like that, and tell them which 368 00:25:09.440 --> 00:25:13.519 runs not really to use together, or I give them 369 00:25:13.559 --> 00:25:17.640 a few examples, a few homework things to do. That's like, 370 00:25:18.279 --> 00:25:22.000 and then I'll criticize the room on Yeah, but you 371 00:25:22.119 --> 00:25:24.880 can't bind those and those, so now it's not for 372 00:25:25.079 --> 00:25:29.720 your magical intent anymore. There's like a different meaning to 373 00:25:29.839 --> 00:25:31.079 it now and stuff like that. 374 00:25:31.400 --> 00:25:35.400 There really are certain rooms that just don't kind. 375 00:25:35.240 --> 00:25:38.519 Of contradict each other, I suppose. Yeah, yeah, you can 376 00:25:38.559 --> 00:25:40.039 definitely get something like that. 377 00:25:41.640 --> 00:25:44.640 I think give an example, like I'm trying to think. 378 00:25:44.559 --> 00:25:49.400 Of something, I can't really think of anything. 379 00:25:49.519 --> 00:25:58.839 Now, say, for instance, you're talking about like grounding, and 380 00:25:59.279 --> 00:26:06.559 you'll use the Uru's room because it's it's a grounded room. 381 00:26:06.680 --> 00:26:09.000 It's a room for like the animals of the land 382 00:26:09.119 --> 00:26:14.200 and whatever. And you're using la goose, which is well 383 00:26:15.079 --> 00:26:18.599 directly translated lake or water, but it's the flow of 384 00:26:18.720 --> 00:26:19.480 emotions and. 385 00:26:19.519 --> 00:26:20.160 Stuff like that. 386 00:26:21.359 --> 00:26:25.839 You're like com whining those two. You're getting like a 387 00:26:26.000 --> 00:26:30.160 spike in your emotions. It's gonna be like something to 388 00:26:30.279 --> 00:26:34.079 create fury or whatever and not really to ground you. 389 00:26:36.319 --> 00:26:39.680 So yeah, yeah, okay like that. 390 00:26:40.039 --> 00:26:44.680 Yeah, Yeah, it's experience subtle. I mean, it's not like 391 00:26:45.440 --> 00:26:48.599 it's like ying and yang or anything like that. So 392 00:26:48.920 --> 00:26:51.599 you've just got to read like the subtle energies in it. 393 00:26:54.720 --> 00:26:59.119 Yeah no, that makes oh like that, Yeah that makes sense. 394 00:26:59.200 --> 00:27:03.519 Like you you would go just like opposites effects like 395 00:27:03.599 --> 00:27:08.759 opposite effects together. It's not gonna like would you say, 396 00:27:08.799 --> 00:27:10.519 it's gonna like cancel each other out. 397 00:27:10.720 --> 00:27:17.279 Or just like cause kind of creates something totally neat. Yeah, 398 00:27:18.160 --> 00:27:21.640 and I mean you're magically intinct that you right beforehand. 399 00:27:21.720 --> 00:27:25.799 That's gonna be very direct. You can't like be vague 400 00:27:25.839 --> 00:27:29.759 in what you want for the the end result of 401 00:27:29.880 --> 00:27:30.839